What would you do in a real post-apocalyptic scenario? Let's just assume this means full-on nuclear warfare.And no, regardless of how likely, your answer cannot be "die".
>>56708076I would take up farming as fast as humanly possible. That or offer myself as a fuckboi to a farmer...or possibly soldier-type with a lot of ammo. It's the only way to survive.
>>56708076>What would you do in a real post-apocalyptic scenario? Let's just assume this means full-on nuclear warfare.As soon as the blast hits, I take food, tape, and cellophane into my basement. I tape a few layers of plastic over each window. If my windows upstairs haven't been blown in, I go back upstairs and bring a bed, equipment, and other supplies downstairs as well. I fill every lidded container with water. If my windows HAVE been blown in, I begin taking potassium iodide. I wait for 14 days. If I hear or feel another blast, I reset the timer. At the end of this period, I venture outside to evaluate the state of my city, collect information, and establish contact with neighbors and emergency services, if available. If possible, I evacuate according to the instructions of civil defense organizations. A year or so later, I die due to global atmospheric black carbon, and so does everybody else. get fucked OP.
>>56708246Cellophane embrace you, my friend.
>>56708076Cold and white
>>56708076I have a load of books of post-apocalyptic survival, so try and distribute them to as many people as possible so we can work together to survive.
>>56708076You'r not boss of me! I'm gonna die.
>>56708076I'd say get to building a water collector and rooftop farm but then I remember I live in America where we've genetically modified our food to being sterile because we want to keep the big farms on the top.Welp, I guess I go start/join a rape-gang.
>>56708076I regret not having easy means of expediting my death before meeting my doom at the hands of looters or other ne'er-do-wells.In the meantime I see if my cello is still intact. If so, I play it so I can at least feel something before I inevitably succumb to the horrors of the end of the world. I also try lifting a bit to distract myself from reality.
>>56708076Keep growing food, fishing and killing animals.Pretty much how I live, but without most of the comfort
>>56708076THINGS EVENTUALLY GET BETTERSeriously the thing I hate so much about most apoclyptic stories is that they act like things will never improve, you have series like Fallout where even centuries after the bombs people are still living in ancient condemned buildings and living on canned food even long after people should have started rebuilding and making their own farms.As long as people are still around people will either find a way to thrive or die off completely.
>>56708076>Go to local prepper militia>Offer gas, ammo, and ass>Hope they don't just shoot me and take all three anyway
>>56709864>Seriously the thing I hate so much about most apoclyptic stories is that they act like things will never improve, you have series like Fallout where even centuries after the bombs people are still living in ancient condemned buildings and living on canned food even long after people should have started rebuilding and making their own farms.that's just bethesda being dumb. the original games were heading in that direction but bethesda wanted a time skip between 2 and 3 for some inane reason while keeping the aesthetic of 1.
>>56708173Learn how to create alcohol. Everyone wants it.
>>56708076>What would you do in a real post-apocalyptic scenario?We're already in a post-apoc scenario. Trump was elected.
>>56708076Vaporized due to where I live being near a strategic target even in a minimal exchange of nukes.
>>56709864It took how long after the fall of Rome for Europe to recover? And they didn't need to contend with irradiated land, blackened skies, massive depopulation of all out nuclear war, and fall from as high a standard of living/tech level as we've got.Even if it will eventually get better, it will be LONG after you're dead and buried.
>>56710024The one issue with Europe after Rome is that a lot of documents containing how to create their technological advances, such as concrete, were destroyed. Sure, we'd lose a great deal of technology with the loss of the internet but there's enough print in the world where we would recover faster. Still would probably take a century.
>>56709926I do hope you're joking.
>>56710061I don't think you fully grasp the scale of total nuclear war. They used the term "mutually assured destruction" for a reason. Print would burn, same as people.
>>56709920But that's also Obsidian's doing. Benny can still remember when he and the rest of the casino gangs were tribals squatting in ruins, and he can't be older than 30. The people of Goodsprings and Primm and Boulder Springs and Nipton are still living in pre-war houses, they just shook the skeletons and dust out. Hell, Avellone insists on having tribals using military hardware because he can't resist the idea of having humanity still rebooting after 200 years.
>>56708076I have no applicable survival skills whatsoever, but probably not going to die instantly, since I doubt anyone will be shooting nukes at this particular bit of random English countryside. Walk to work one last time and put my notes away neatly, probably. We'd need another Borlaug to get anything meaningful done in time with regards to fallout-resistant crops or something with what we'd have left, so either the world keeps together somewhat or I'm screwed anyway. No point in worrying aside from taking what precautions I can.
>>56708076Jokes on you I have next to zero survival skills, no weapons, live in the "you're fucked" zone of a major nuke plant, which is pretty high on the list of shit people would target in a nuclear war, and all of my hobbies and interests require a functional society somewhere down the pipeline. I'll killing myself as quickly as possible.Best case hypothetical dream scenario where I don't die a slow painful death from a nuclear weapon detonating next to a nuclear power plant several miles away. I get traded around like a prize between warring gangs because I have a formal chemistry education and copies of several "cook books". I also make my own alcohol, and I figure that's a good short term reason to keep me alive. Just have to make sure I can mystify the processes enough to remain useful.
>>56708076>Live in Florida near the coast>Know how to fish, own a boat>Know how to shootBecome a fisherman. Or a pirate.Maybe both.
I already homebrew, so I'd step up production efforts. I've got a few fruit trees so I'd be set for my own food. What I can't eat will be made into booze and traded. It freezes in my winters, so assuming that SHTF didn't fuck it up, I'd be making massive amounts of applejack.
>>56710611I know how to fish and shoot too.First mate? I'd dig the pirate's life.
>>56708076Ingratiate myself with the nearest roaming warband ASAP. Try to find a place in the hierarchy above "wretched slave", but below "anyone actually important". Settle into my new life as middle-manager for Grognar the Fell-Handed. Possibly take up cannibalism - I'll try anything once.
>>56710106The government has written manuals and documents specifically to help recover technological progress after nuclear annihilation. They've almost certainly stuffed a bunker full of them.
>>56710104pretty gay desu
>>56709864>you have series like FalloutBy the events of 4 vegetation had already started to grow back and the atmosphere started to clear. Things get better, it just takes a long-ass time.
cave from extreme ptsd / mental trauma and lose my mind
>>56708076Assuming I survive the initial nuclear war(highly unlikely, I live about three miles from a nuclear power plan in the North East US, and maybe twenty miles from an air force base), I would most likely slip into a huge depression having to watch my pets die because of failing food and water stores. I won't eat them, though. Say what you will, but I'll starve before I do that. Same with cannibalism. I will remain strong. If by some miracle I don't end up just on the bottom of the new food chain, that maybe I've never succeeded in life because I was built for the apocalypse(also no way. I have too many medical needs), I would work to restore order, life, to the wasteland. This new world would need people to stand against the madness of the gangs and I'll stand amongst their ranks.
>>56708076Become a small time bandit. Start to build a small group of incredibly loyal generals. Expand gang with ransoms. Start to search military bases for weapons and hardware. Capture scientists who can make me gunpowder and bullets. Have strict rules: no rape, children between five and twelve are taken in and raised to join the gang, whoever took it gets first pick of loot. Eventually build massive bandit city and establish small colonies.
>>56710104>r/donald internet defense forceI live in the rural Midwest so we have lots of guns and friendly people and lots and lots of fields. Also very close to oil fields and propane refineries so we will probably be able to ride out the initial horrors of mass starvation, looting, and cannibalism, especially since most of the people around us will likely die once it gets a little colder and their central heating systems stop working.Next year might be less fun when the remaining looters start moving up here from further south, but then I don't know if they would even bother heading this way.Can't imagine what kind of nightmare would take place in the climes where the seasons won't kill off huge amounts of population. Those people will have it pretty rough.
>>56711168No rape is simply because without raping I open to my gang up to more potential women members, a large group I would be missing. The key factor with kids is they have to be young enough to not quite realize that we just murdered their parents.
>answer cannot be die>am now therefore immortal>become godking of the wastesGood times
>>56710987First optimistic post this thread.
>>56708076First thing first I'm making a beeline back home from college, if the world is gonna end I want to be with the people I love. My dad has a pretty large collection of firearms (USMC) and my grandparents own a farm in a rural area. Don't know what we'd do, probably try to eke out an existence and help passers by.
>>56709920Originally Fallout 3 was going to be set close to, if not immediately after the bombs fell. Then at some point late in development the time-frame was shunted forwards a hundred-odd years, and there was no way to update everything about the world to compensate.
>>56710024Define "recover." People were not living in burnt-out Roman shacks scavenging Roman storehouses for generations after it was sacked.>but they didn't have radiation so!If it's a bad analogy don't use it.
>>56710024Rome is a shitty example because a fall of Rome was gradual and didn't really result in scorched earth. Some things got worse, but it was no apocalypse.Meanwhile!The bronze age collapse was just so much meaner. All cities from Anatolia to Levant were burned and razed to the ground. It literally took a thousand of years for the civilization to recover.
>>56709864you should read Lucifers Hammeryou can't just snap your fingers and have society back, infrastructure is required for infrastructure and the work of a hundred years' improvements is not just going to return in a month. even so you're lucky if the knowledge and desire even exist to put things back. I mean look at Haiti - the rest of the world still exists but they're still fucked back to prehistoric africa (which incidentally a lot of africa still is).with population scarcity and food scarcity you're not just going to bounce back. even with outside help a catastrophic event could reach a tipping point where re-establishing a technological society never happens.
>>56712522>The bronze age collapse was just so much meaner. All cities from Anatolia to Levant were burned and razed to the ground. It literally took a thousand of years for the civilization to recover.Fucking Sea People.
>>56708076Assuming that I'm not home when shit hits the fan because otherwise I die, I try to integrate into closest community that is likely to survive. I'm able-bodied and have basic carpentry and engineering skills so I'll be useful enough to be fed.
I know how to fish, cook, and shoot so join these guys as their Long John Silver>>56710671>>56710611
>>56711168Dare I ask what happens to children under five?
>>56712686what if they're feeding you people?
>>56708076Suicide immediately because the only thing keeping me going just got blown up.
>>56708246Why 14 days?
First off, TO THE SHELTER! I'd try and grab my tools and rifle if I'm home when it happens.Thank you transitional socialism but the town I live in has full blown nuclear shelters with resident assignments.From this point on its clean water first, than clean food, than iodine therapy.Got about 10days give or take worth of food in my apartment. So get that and figure out a way to store it. Perishables and meats first. Canned goods last. Theres a community water tank in th shelter. But I cant really rely on it for anything past a week.The shelters have small medicine bags with about a months worth of iodine pills and a couple of "in case of large doses" shots in them. With a bit of trickery i could secure a few months, maybe a year of iodine therapy. So unless the dropzone was really close I should be fine.Water is the real problem. Big city no natural springs anywhere. There is a river but at this point it's cancer in liquid form. Try and get some kind of filtration system out with activated carbon, Ion exchange with aluminum silica, bleach for bacterial and UV if i can score some electricity.If i could score a lot of electricity, lets say from the solar panels on that kindergarten down the street id do a recombination setup.Use some platinum grids from catalytic converters on cars as electrodes and do some electrolysis. Brake it down in to a gas. Most beta emitter particles should remain in the liquid. Recombine the oxygen and hydrogen in a slow burner and condenser. This is as good as it gets for long term solution for water.Next up food.
>>56711354> a large group I would be missing.Women were considered little better than mere property for most of human history for a reason.Unless you have enough guns that you can give them to all your male members and have surplus to give to female members your reasoning is flawed.Enjoy getting ousted by someone more ruthless than you and willing to give women to his supporters.
>run across super mutant>minigun tears me to shreds
>>56708076>your answer cannot be "die"Guess I'll suffer through incompetent hunter-gathering, then.
>>56713044First few months it's scavenging. Hit the shores and get the canned goods. Rife should give me an advantage, but not a big one. Best to do it with a group. Stack up on as much as we can and ration it out.Longer term I'd try and reclaim some of the community space in apartment buildings.There's no surefire way to remove beta emitters from the ground so hydroponics would be the best way to go to avoid radiation buildup.Now goring food like this is expensive and inefficient, so it couldn't support a lot of people. I'd try and lie and cheat my way in to giving most people regular old dirt grown food, while keeping the hydra stuff for myself.The next thing would be getting some meat.Again, cant feed the animals regular food or it will build up.Lucy rabbits are herbivore rodents that glow fast, taste good, and breed like well rabbits. they also eat easy to grow rood vegetables and grass that is easy to grow and basically a goldmine for hydra growing.Have a roof allocated to rabbit food. and a rabbits. Meat would be a uber luxury after a month. And non irradiated meat would be a grate trading chip. So those bunnies are gonna need to be guarded 24/7Now that food and water is somewhat settled its time to start thinking assignments.Doctors are gonna be needed soon, as hygiene starts going down, so setting up some sort of emergency room with a neighbor surgeon would be the next priority. And having a doctor help out would be a grate negotiation chip in the long run.Could also set up some basic chemistry production. Alcohol for sterilization , chlorine, chloroform for anesthetics.If i could organize a raid on the university might be able to set up basic antibiotics in a month or so.A lot of people die of silly infections when treatment is unavailable, and its a gruesome taxing death on the community.Next up defense and commerce.
>>56710863link?please & thankyou
If I can find a group of tech scavengers, I should be fine. Offer my services getting tech working in return to protection. Otherwise, I'd probably need to learn a new trade.
>>56713080>Women were considered little better than mere property for most of human history for a reason.What do you mean, "were"?
>>56713271different person, not sure of the name. But my highschool library had one of those books.
>>56712932Radioactive decay is caused by unstable isotopes. The nastiest stuff is pretty much gone in two weeks. Keep away from the top two stories of the high rise and the outer room of the buildings and you minimize your exposure. If there's time, figure out if your shelter in place location is directly downwind of the fallout plume.If you really need to, have older people do the scavenging during this time. Their mature bodies have less cell division going on. The twin chains provide redundancy except when the cell is dividing.
>>56713186At this point if the nuke didn't get me the neighbors will. So convince them that my "mega projects" are worth their time in the long run and get them organized. Together we are stronger. Theres no shortage of rifles and guns in these parts. Lots of ex military officers. Try and set up a militia.A lot of people are gonna start wanting the things we have and a lot of them have nothing to offer is. So sooner or later they are gonna start trying for it by force.Set up a guard schedule and a perimeter. No entry zones that store and produce the water and food. Now there are things that are limited at this point. Fuel, batteries, medicine we cant produce ourselves, bullets etc. We'd have to trade for these. And the trades need to be transparent run though a council that has priorities and estimated value of goods. What we need and what we're willing to trade for it.The rest is mostly social and physiological stuff.Set up a hierarchy. A military style system would be the way to go. With lieutenants handling different parts of the commune Keep people busy so they don't have too much time to get bored. When they get bored they will get depressed. So keeping a tight ship would be essential. 12h work, 8h sleep, with 3 scheduled lunch brakes prepared in a community kitchen.Try and get patrols out to scout whats the situation in the surroundings get some info if we're under threat or if there are people willing to join us.At this point the community should be self sufficient enough. Set up a council to evaluate what projects need to be started or expanded. What needs our attention and what out long term goals are.
>>56712932>Why 14 days?because that's roughly how long it takes for the majority of highly energetic fallout to decay.You will still want to avoid breathing in dust, eating non-canned food, or drinking non-bottled water for several years.
>>56708076First, assuming I am not killed in a blaze of nuclear hellfire, which I feel isn't likely, given that I live nearly fifty miles from the nearest city, I and my compatriots put our secret plan into place. If that goes according to plan, which it should, given that we've been co-prepping for nearly a decade, there's a sizable number of us, and nearly a dozen have military experience, we'll find ourselves in control of a small town, wherein nearly everyone is related or acquainted with one or two members of our group. We'll then declare our sovereignty as a miniature state founded around the ideals of ethnic nationalism, voluntarist traditionalism, and self-sufficiency.At this point, the majority of the town should fall in line, given we have the majority of firearms, nonperishable supplies, and that again, we're mostly related. Those that don't, can stay, but they're not getting any supplies from our stockpile. Once we've set-up, we'll expand our admittedly mediocre gardening operations using a stache of heirloom seeds, and, at least this what the leader said, set-up a moonshine still now that the government isn't around to tell us we can't.Given that we're somewhat prepared, and that our town is fairly isolated, we should be able to weather the initial collapse more-or-less intact. When the shit's finished collapsing, we'll commence scouting to find and recruit refugees, find other settlements, and try to set-up a trading network, eventually leading to a close-knit alliance, eventually leading to a single state following our ideals. In a few decades, assuming our collective asses aren't handed to us by military remnants or a marauder warband, we should have a tiny little empire carved out in a chunk of what's left of the state, and following our trusted leader's lead, and tried and true policies, we should do reasonably well for ourselves, and that's all anyone can really ask for.>inb4 go back to /pol/Calm your tits, we're much more moderate.
>>56710106And you do not show grasp eitherIts MAD, for what is essentially global super civilizations.Which means you have 2000-3000 missiles, but there is 4000-5000 targets, enemy is on the same setup, and both of you have questionable missile shields.So there isn't enough missiles to destroy civilization, but there is enough to cripple infrastructure, So to start Global Nuclear War, the first question is: When will you run dry in the post nuclear war, if they manage to stop your production capabilities?Because you can never stockpile to match RL usage of said stockpile, for global post nuclear war.You also run into another problem: To make sure there is too many targets, you need to separate stockpiles, productions, infrastructure, army, training centers, etc. Which is hard to do, since a lot of these things will be built where they was, in a previous era.Then again, the biggest blue balls of a Nuclear War, is that it might not end in victory.So you sit there, waiting for round 2, and hope for victory in Nuclear War 2.Which is a terrible waste of manpower.
>>56713379>Which means you have 2000-3000 missiles, but there is 4000-5000 targets>What is MIRV?There are ~2,400 missiles in the combined nuclear triad...~4,600 *warheads*...and 750-1,000 targets. On our half of the equation. Best estimates are that the other side is roughly equivalent; same number of targets, more RVs but with a higher system failure rate, means roughly the same number of warheads hitting about the same number of targets.>t. USAF Nuclear and Missile Operations Officer>Don't do what I do. Bunker duty sucks.
>>56713319Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
>>56713373I haven't genuinely cringed reading a post in a long time. Congratulations, you're an enormous faggot. Go back to /pol/ and stay there.
>>56708076Grow potatoes and think big.
>>56713674OP asked, I answered, and I won't apologize for it.
>>56709250To be fair, the sterility of those plants is in place to avoid a situation where biologically altered corn starts spreading and kills off natural flora by taking over all living space, thus turning the country into a sea of corn before it all gets blown away in th emother of all duststorms.Still the plant sterility is a legitimate concern.
>>56713831There's an old post-apocalyptic novel based around the idea of genetically enhanced corn taking over the ecosphere, I can't remember the title for the life of me though.
>>56713886Shit i know that one, green something...
>>56713727Didn't except you to, delusional bigots and larpers with no social awareness never apologize for being retards, you and your kind genuinely don't know any better and don't think you're ever in the wrong. All i can do is call you a worthless sperg and hopefully you can snap back into reality after a healthy dose of public shaming.
>>56713886>>56713905Was it The Death of Grass?It's about crops dying though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Grass
>>56713931Stop either taking the bait or trying to bait someone into a needless politishit argument, faggot.
>>56713373>Ethnic nationalism>"Everyone is gonna listen to us hurr durr.">"We nazi now!"Everyone is going to call you an autistic faggot and probably steal your shit. That of course is assuming you have the actual balls to try and order a group of people far larger than you and your fuck-buddies, which you probably don't
>>56710106>mutually assured destructionUgh.
>>56713373You forgot the parts where you start breeding with your relatives because that's all you're missing but seem to vaguely imply it by mentioning how you're already related to everyone.
>>56714102>town full of inbred "pure Aryan" Nazis They'd be a great set of antagonists.
>>56713931I've been a diagnosed autist since second grade, I don't give a shit about popular opinion, and neither do my friends. That's the problem with "you and your kind," you assume we give a shit about what you think. I don't care if you want to establish an LBTQ2AI+ friendly egalitarian commune in our backyard, infact, I'd applaud you for doing so, but the reverse can't be said, and you have the audacity to call me bigoted. Listen to (>>56713952) and stop taking the bait that isn't there to take. If you want to do some reading and acquire your own, nuanced worldview, pic related's a great place to start.
bong here so no firearms.grab my bow, bugout bag, extra food and clothes and bug out innawoods. hope to live off rabbits, berries, nettles, food i can scavenge or find, and food i have taken with me.hopefully try to join a group.
>>56714151I could probably see a town managing to maintain something close to a single ethnicity if it's like New Holland or another one of those fun ethnic enclaves that just kinda formed in the Midwest. But in a post-apocalyptic environment, an ethnonationalist town centered around one charismatic leader would be much like a town that forbids its women from working or one of the requisite bandit towns: probably fine and dandy before a single crisis makes it collapse in on itself.
>>56714155So wait, you're a literal autist and you think people are going to listen to your socially incapable ass in the aftermath of a nuclear war? Wow, you are retarded. Have fun dying if you ever try this shit.
>>56714155>and you have the audacity to call me bigoted.>"Hey guys we want to create an empire of weak chinned Andy's and overweight Bucks with no college education based on ethnic nationalism and our flag is going to have the swastika on it.>Whoa whoa, don't call me a bigot!Question, what happens when you guys a find a gay black jew? Do they not get to live in your cheeto dust empire, do they end up as slaves, or do you through them into the ditches? But wait nazis wouldnt do that because nazis never murdered people! Second question, what happens when you guys get surrounded by the rest of the sane people (also known as every one else) who survived and want to wipe you nazi shits off the planet?
>>56714155>>56714225You're both retarded.
>>56710556Rule of thumb: if the Germans oppose you, you're doing something right.
>>56714248Second rule: If german larpers oppose you, you're definitely doing it right
>>56709921Not a bad suggestion but he should also learn to farm his own ingredients. Cut out as much of the supply chain as you can to maximize your potential profits, unless it's otherwise unfeasible or you like your weekends off.
>>56714155If you're an autist then how do you expect to create anything on ethnic nationalism? your genes are already inferior to everyone else.
>>56714279Now we need stats on how high Trump support is in the German LARP community, but given how low Trump support is in Germany in general I doubt they'll be significant outliers. Or do you mean to imply /pol/ is majority German?
>>56714223That crisis would probably be this guy>>56710987
>>56714301>nazis would execute the mentally challenged >Most modern day nazis would have to kill each other based on that same ideal.
>>56714301His first post said that he's not actually going to be the head of this organization. He's got some leader he's already getting his ideas from, and he just wants to help make sure the leader's plan goes through. He probably also wants to make sure he's a high-ranker in this situation and not one of the brownshirts that will inevitably end up getting thrown away.
>>56714313I mean you trumptards are all german larpers in that you're /po/ in that you're nazi larpers
>>56711301Don't worry, scientists think Yellowstone might be closer than ever to erupting. In which case kiss the west coast and a good deal of the American midwest goodbye. If you're closer East you will probably just smother from the toxic fumes and ashfall. With the American breadbasket gone the rest of the world will start suffering massive food shortages even as the planet is most likely forced under a new ice age.
>>56712813Five to twelve was just a basic framework. We’ll take anyone under twelve.
>>56714328But he's genetically inferior, he'll eventually get rounded up next.
>>56714348Hitler was addicted to amphetamines, and almost all of the Nazi leadership had *something* mucking up their heads. Ethnonationalism only cares about disabilities when you're low on the totem pole.
>>56714039>>56714224Why do you assume I'm in charge? I'm not, and said so in the original post. I didn't start the plan, I'm rank-and-file so far as our hierachy's concerned, and I'm fine with that. Our leader is much more qualified for the position than anyone else, and I'm sure he'll do just fine.>>56714102It's been scientifically documented that second-cousin relationships are as healthy as relationships between non-related couples. Besides that, once we have a stable food supply, the influx of starving refugees will be enough to sustain a diverse gene-pool.>>56714151Kek, feel free to use it for inspiration.>>56714223We have a *very* extensive contingency plan, and a few small cells in nearby towns. I doubt we'd collapse immediately, though our success very much depends on the luck of the draw, but we're not alone in that.>>56714225> Question, what happens when you guys a find a gay black jew? Do they not get to live in your cheeto dust empire, do they end up as slaves, or do you through them into the ditches?We're not National Socialists, we're voluntarist ethnic nationalists, more libertarian than anything. We're fine trading with, and allying with those outside of our ethnic group, we just don't want them permanently settling in our communities, what's so wrong with that?> But wait nazis wouldnt do that because nazis never murdered people! They did, no-one denies that, but again, we're not nazis.> Second question, what happens when you guys get surrounded by the rest of the sane people (also known as every one else) who survived and want to wipe you nazi shits off the planet?I'd hope they'd leave us be, same as we would them. Ethnic cleansing, chattel slavery, and pogroms are very much something we don't want.
>>56713080Women get a choice serve as camp whores or fight. There will be some who choose to fight and some who choose to be whores
>>56714373It's an inherently cannibalistic mindset. Even if they lasted longer, they'd eventually do dna testing and cull another half of their "perfect race" when they find out they're not 100% white. That, or they try to back pedal and say a certain amount is ok, and then the loyalists revolt and there's a civil war for not thoroughly following the plan.
>>56712477Dunno about the rest of Europe but that was pretty much what happened in Saxon England. Wattle and daub houses replaced stone and slate Roman villas. The Saxon settlement in what became London was on the opposite side of the river from the majority of the Roman structures because of superstition about the stone structures.
>>56713368Couple more finishing touches i'd addSet up a radio, listening and broadcasting to as many frequencies as we could rig it up to.Start setting up communication with outposts and neighbors. Like an early warning systemMines, booby traps, anything that could deter a large raid.A Potassium - Iodine production setup. If we get the college raid this won't be a problem for at least a few years, maybe a decade. But after that we're gonna need to start thinking industrial.Try and loot industrial machinery and shops, start producing firearms. Just pipes with improvised gunpowder and stones will do for a while, but no reason not to start rifling and proper cartridges out there. Try and get as much out of vehicles as possible. Gasoline has a shelf life of about 2 good years. After that it starts to decay.And I doubt new production viable.If corn and oil starts becoming available start producing bio fuels, not as good but somewhat sustainable on a smaller scale production. And the corn and sunflowers can be grown on irradiated soil since they wont be consumed by humans. So they'll essentially be trash.Start sending expeditions looking for less irradiated paces to start clean colonies.Some places must have remained un nuked, Siberia? Alaska? The arctic?Start re building a proper settlement there.This settlement is doomed after about 20ish years due to a mix or radiation buildup, sterility, age, hard work, fatigue etc. But new generations could live a better life in a better place. And that should give us all hope.
>>56714398It’s really mostly the ones older than 12 and who can’t be raised with the ideals of the gang.
>>56714386>what's so wrong with that?It's retarded and the people who you're going to need to trade with aren't going to want to deal with a bunch of inbred bigots. Then you'll starve to death and wish you had more people in your little club to save you but everyone else went to the inclusive party. >we're not nazis.Yeah, never mind the swastika and ethnic nationalism. >Ethnic cleansing, chattel slavery, and pogroms are very much something we don't want.Until you do. Otherwise why bar certain people?
>>56714386Your leader's just as much of a retard as you if he thinks any of that garbage will work. That other anon is right, one good crisis and you'll either die or abandon your stupidity.
>>56714386Since you seem so certain that your plan will both go perfectly and you'll manage to maintain some level of comfort in it, I'd like to give you some reading material that aligns with your thoughts. Heck, it even has color commentary from the users of Der Zweite /pol/kolonie, historically known as "/k/ - Weapons".https://desuarchive.org/k/search/subject/Let%27s%20Read%3A%20Victoria/
>>56714337>Half of Americans are German larpers
>>56714500Or retards. Oh, those are synonymous. To clarify, retards and bigoted retards.
>>56714543/po/ and /l/ should have stayed as separate boards
>>56714547>Everyone who disagrees with me is a bigoted retardYou do realize this is exactly the kind of narrative that won Trump the White House, right?
>>56714321>>56714328>>56714348>>56714373>>56714412Where did you get the impression we care about ethnic purity? 80% genetic homogeny and a lack of severe heritable disorders is the only requirement for settlement, if someone has a non-white grandparent, we don't care as long as they're willing to pitch in. Those with heritable disorders are allowed to settle with full-rights, if they agree not to reproduce, and will receive a modest stipend of resources in exchange for doing so, once we've got our feet on the ground.>>56714445> It's retarded and the people who you're going to need to trade with aren't going to want to deal with a bunch of inbred bigots. Then you'll starve to death and wish you had more people in your little club to save you but everyone else went to the inclusive party.Why are you so sure of that? We have a very extensive stache we've spent a very long time cultivating, I'm certain anyone who wants to trade will overlook ideology in favor of necessity.> Yeah, never mind the swastika and ethnic nationalismThe swastika is a millennia-old symbol of peace, and ethnic nationalism has been successfully practiced since the dawn of human civilization. I don't know why you're so hung up on our Third Reich sympathies, I'm sure you admire the Soviet Union, an organization responsible for FAR more human casualties, but that wouldn't be a deal breaker on our part.> Until you do. Otherwise why bar certain people?Irreconcilable and fundamental physiological and psychological differences between human ethnicities. We don't think anyone is inherently inferior, every race has its strengths and weaknesses, we just want to preserve our own, in our own little, isolated corner of the world. Again, what's so wrong with that?
>>56714573For some indecisive people sure. But the rest are genuinely retarded. Nice presidency we got going on btw. Really working out for everyone.
>>56708076Find a guy who knows how to survive, hope to appeal to him by raiding for him. I don't know how to survive but I own a couple guns. If he's willing to give me food and water and shelter, I'll foray out and bring him back goods and other women I can subdue.
>>56714598>The only people who disagree with me are indecisive and retardsIf your kind was capable of even the remotest sense of introspection and/or debate, we wouldn't have such a politically divided world right now.
>>56713080Shooting people and doing general scummy bandit shit takes a very specific mind set. Very few people would be okay being an active detriment to humanity. Especially people raised in modern western society. Including women as bandits is pretty much the only way to start getting large enough, but honestly bandit groups with like a home base and shit really wouldn't last long when all of the not-scumfucks in the area hear about the fifteen guys going around and pillaging.
>>56708076By not having it as the main setting but a point of lore. Yes there are some trouble areas but there are trouble areas now. The people who survived rebuilt society and civilization. A fair and lawful society and civilization. The conflict comes when the PCs are task with going out into theses trouble areas.
>>56714586All this nazi larping sounds good in your head, but if the bombs actually dropped and you actually went through with it without your Hitler getting atomized, you'd still end up getting overrun by hordes of niggers who breed faster than you
>>56714586>Why are you so sure of that? We have a very extensive stache we've spent a very long time cultivating, I'm certain anyone who wants to trade will overlook ideology in favor of necessity.Until they become sufficient or get better partners, which you guys will never become because of the lack of "volunteers" and raids from people who hate nazis. Especially from raids when you people eventually stop trading with you. >The swastika is a millennia-old symbol of peace, and ethnic nationalism Are you delusional, out of touch, or a troll?>I'm sure you admire the Soviet UnionNo, I very passionately hate you both.>Irreconcilable and fundamental physiological and psychological differences between human ethnicities. We don't think anyone is inherently inferior, every race has its strengths and weaknesses, we just want to preserve our own, in our own little, isolated corner of the world. Again, what's so wrong with that?So... racism?
>>56714635Not him, but that's highly unlikely.Numbers don't mean much if you can't back it up with decent force of arms.When white people fight, they use assault weapons and tactical knowledge.When niggers fight, they use throwaway handguns that they fire sideways because getting hit in the eye with a shell is "gangsta as fuck, yo".White people live in both urban and rural areas, where they learn how to grow food and raise livestock.Niggers reside exclusively in the city, and would likely starve if whitey wasn't there to fill up their bellies with grape drink and KFC.
>>56713373>me 'n my war buddies will strong arm all the niggers and brown people out of town then fuck our sistersIsn't that what you faggots already do?
>>56714628more like, if the DNC hadn't fucked us and shot themselves in the foot. also, you honestly believe the right is any better at introspection and debate? I can't tell you how many times i've seen >nigger>cuck>libtard libcuck>jew>slave to good goyim jewish fake news>all leftists believe in 72 genders And don't even give me the "it's just bantz" response. All of that shit is genuine.
>>56714690What does shittalking have to do with debate and introspection?
>>56714745Because it's not debating, it's shitposting. If I call all of you retards you get upset, If you call us libcucks then it's fine? You guys are hypocrites.
>>56714688>Niggers reside exclusively in the city, and would likely starve if whitey wasn't there to fill up their bellies with grape drink and KFC.Tremendously obvious bait. Not even genuine /pol/tards are stupid enough to think that there aren't any black communities out in the countryside.
>>56714662>So... racism?Racism implies malice or hatred. I don't hate black people, I'd just rather hang out with white people in the rural countryside instead of Ferguson when the bombs fall.
>>56714776It's a joke, not bait Anon.Having said that, are there enough rural black people to support the entirety of the urban black population? I'm not convinced there are.
>>56714776It's not bait you tremendous idiot. The overwhelming majority of black people in the USA live in the cities; that's what he meant. Don't act like a retarded journalist.
>>56714688>>Numbers don't mean much if you can't back it up with decent force of arms.Nazis had a 10 to 1 kill count on the commies, they still lost the war.The moment the bombs drop, the hordes are going to come pouring out of Camden, Atlanta, New Orleans, you name it. These idiots have spent their whole lives killing each other in the streets, in their drug dens, where ever they fucking are all they do is kill.NOW, you have to realize that not every nigger acts like how you describe. Your average street nig, sure, but remember that these gangs have leadership. King Nig has been embroiled in a Machiavellian game of politics ever since he popped his first cap in somebody's ass. He's paying off police, he's blackmailing politicians, he's defending his turf from a thousand other little bottomfeeders who want to make it big. He's been playing this game longer than you. The federal government dissolves, police stop mattering, and it's not gonna take him long to realize he can get a protection racket going.He knows he needs food, if his gang can't grow it themselves they'll enslave somebody who can.This applies to the cartels too. They're going to have the Southwest wrapped around their little finger before you can say "Hola!". They'll probably want to expand into your territory, and they're completely fucking insane Aztec LARPers who want to skin you alive and eat your beating heart as a blood sacrifice to the sun.
>>56714781You have to dislike something about them that you attribute to their race (irreconsilable differences) that also makes you want them to stay away from you unless they bring you something you want to buy from them.
>>56714690>more like, if the DNC hadn't fucked us and shot themselves in the foot.Alright, you're almost thinking here. Now for the next question: do you think that for some people, maybe... MAAAAYYYYBBEEEE, the corruption within the DNC might be enough of a reason to vote for the other guy?If not, you're a stooge.If so, congratulations! You've just discovered one of the literally hundreds of reasons why one would choose to support Trump other than>libtard nigger jew cuckYou've already begun your first step towards not being a barely sentient waste of space.
>>56714841So when he says "exclusively" he means "a large amount of and I'm ignoring the ones who don't"? You'll have to teach me more about how /pol/ users code their language.
>>56714586>those with heritable disorders are not allowed to reproduceThis is LITERALLY Nazi shit. You are autistic and advocating Nazis. You fucking realize that you will be one of these undesirables right?
>>56714859>You have to dislike something about them that you attribute to their raceDislike is neither malice nor hatred though.Are you trying to tell me there is nothing to dislike about inner city violence that is predominantly black? I'm not a mind reader nor a super AI. I don't have the time or resources to examine every single person's life history and psychological profile. In such cases, my best bet is to work off of statistical average.
>>56708173Op asks >what would you do to surviveYour answer unironically is be gay and not breed.
>>56714902Not even that guy, but do you know how stupid you are right now? You're proposing that the only options are either sitting by and doing nothing to stop hereditary diseases that result in an average life expectancy of 12 years, or being a goostestepping totalitarian that wants to eradicate the group with the highest IQ among the human races.First of all, what the Nazis were doing can barely be classified as Eugenics unless you already ascribe to Nazi theories from the very start (meaning you don't even need the eugenics part to be a Nazi). Second of all, EVERYONE was at the very least contemplating eugenics before Nazis ruined it for everyone. Thirdly, by choosing not to fuck your own cousing you're already engaging in more eugenics than the average Pakistani. I hope you've set aside enough money for a niced Hugo Boss uniform.
>>56714869>I don't like the dems so I voted for the fucking baboon who is trying his hardest to destroy the countryHave you ever realized there is more than two candidates?
>>56714453You're free to think what you want, and I won't infringe on your right to do so. Our leader is very charismatic, our voluntarily elected diplomats have a way with words, and our stockpile should do well to sway any poorly prepared and open-minded refugees.>>56714459Thanks anon, I've been needing some fresh literature.>>56714635We're very far up north, nearly everyone in our community, and general region for that matter, has three or more children, and I'm certain if SHTF, the breeding rate will explode among prepared communities, i.e, ours. African Americans have a very stable population, and live in predominately urban areas, I doubt more than a million will survive, though we'd be fine if they did and kept to themselves. Mexicans and Latinos, as fast as they breed, tend to dislike cold temperatures, and would have no reason to move this far north when there's plenty of fertile soil all around them. Again, we'd have no problem if they did, so long as they kept to themselves. Asian Americans might pose a problem, but they're generally more open-minded toward ethnic collectivism than others, and I'm sure we could work something out.> (1/2)
>>56714952In America? Might as well not be. When was the last time an Independent, Libertarian or Green won the presidency (assuming you're not arguing for literal meme parties like the Communist Party, Nazi Party or the Pirate Party). America is a de facto two party state, and that has very little to do with the voters themselves and everything to do with the FPTP system. But why get into the details of the American political system when you can instead call everyone who disagrees with you a braindead Nazi instead? That's a lot easier.
>>56714909>Are you trying to tell me there is nothing to dislike about inner city violence that is predominantly black? I'm not a mind reader nor a super AI. I don't have the time or resources to examine every single person's life history and psychological profile. In such cases, my best bet is to work off of statistical average.So you think these are problems because of their genetics? Because they're black? That's racism.
>>56714849>Nazis had a 10 to 1 kill count on the commies, they still lost the war.Niggers are about 14% of the American population. Your argument is invalid.
>>56714689No, we don't plan on "strong-arming" anyone. There aren't any non-whites in our community, or in those nearby ours. When we encounter them, there's no problem to be had, we'll leave them be if they'll leave us.>>56714662> Until they become sufficient or get better partners, which you guys will never become because of the lack of "volunteers" and raids from people who hate nazis. Especially from raids when you people eventually stop trading with you. I'm sure after a decade of fighting off nomad rape-bandits and fundie mini-crusades, people will be much more tolerant towards an isolated network of self-sufficient and heavily armed communities with some kooky ideas about race that just so happen to vaguely align with a long-dead, century-old extremist faction an ocean away. If they do, that's why we've stockpiled arms.> No, I very passionately hate you both.I'm sorry I assumed you have communist sympathies, I'd be pissed too.> Are you delusional, out of touch, or a troll?We're not retarded enough to openly fly swastikas, and we don't want to either. We're not Germans, and we don't want to emulate the German people. Until the swastika was misrepresented, (an argument I'm sure neither of us wants to get into) it was a symbol of peace. Given time, I'm sure its negative connotations will fade into the murk of history.> So... racism?Yes, and? We're not assholes about it, and keep to ourselves, there's no reason to get all self-righteous about hating us.>>56714689Our community doesn't have any non-whites, and neither do those nearest to us.>>56714902And? I don't care, I've got genetic disorders I don't want to pass into the next generation, and the next generation will be all the stronger for it.(2/2)
>>56715001> But why get into the details of the American political system when you can instead call everyone who disagrees with you a braindead Nazi instead? That's a lot easier.That doesn't sound as good of a rebuttal as you think it does because of the staggering amount of open nazis that openly support trump. If it wasn't such a problem it wouldn't be such a stereotype.
>>56715029>Yes, and? We're not assholes about it, and keep to ourselves, there's no reason to get all self-righteous about hating us.I'm constantly amazed by how... I don't even know what word to use. Delusional? Hypocritical? ...You people are.
>>56715007>So you think these are problems because of their genetics? Because they're black?You know, It doesn't really matter either way. Maybe it is genetics, or maybe it isn't.What matters is that young males of that genetic lineage commit 50% of the murders in this country even though they represent 4% of the population. I'm going to avoid these people when the bombs fall, because as I stated before, I don't have the time or resources to individually examine each black man's life history and psychology. I have to rely on statistical averages.
>>56715026>w-we're 53% white but only 14% nigger! we're white! we're white!lmao amerimutt
>>56709864the problem is food production. Things weren't nearly as bad during the Roman period that you suggest. However, one key difference is that the growing and producing of food was not far removed from the average person. The tech involved was not so advanced that losing it meant that there was no longer a base understanding of how to do it without that tech.Our world is much different, at least for Europe and North America. There is much much more to growing food than just going out and deciding to start doing it as some anons have suggested. The whole process takes serious skill, knowledge, and experience to get it right. From the planting, to the growing, to the harvest, to the storage, to repeating. And almost nobody in our nations has that ability to do so without advanced tools and seeds for years on end.Not saying to give up, but I am saying we should be realistic. It aint going to be pretty. And if anyone hear has any honest concern about a collapse you should probably start thinking about these things.And own a gun.
>>56715007>So you think these are problems because of their genetics? Because they're black? That's racism.Okay fine, let us say that I DON'T think it's because of their genetics; I think it's the environment. I'm still not going near Ferguson or other similar cities you fucking idiot.
>>56714909>inner city violence is predominately blackWe've made headway here, folks, he is, in fact, racist.Here's a crazy thought, Little Tizzy, you can acknowledge that most inner city crime is committed by blacks without judging all blacks as "incompatible" of living with you? Just like we can agree that most of the shitty, anti-citizen policies that get passed are passed by white people without judging all white people as greedy assholes.
>>56710511>>56710511Just a note here, no reason to think that any power plant would be targeted. That is not how priority targeting of nukes works.
>>56715036>because of the staggering amount of open nazis that openly support trump>staggering amountAlright, give me a total number.Now give me a total percentage of Trump's voters belonging to those groups.I'm not even asking you to stop ignoring the fact that Trump openly condemned these groups, I'm asking you for objective numbers. If these numbers really are as "staggering" as you claim, that means America is at least 25% legit Nazi.
>>56715073>What matters is that young males of that genetic lineage commit 50% of the murders in this country even though they represent 4% of the populationHave you truly thought about as to WHY that is? Give it a thought. Is it because they've been fighting centuries of oppression and its been difficult for certain people in certain areas to get a proper shake? Not excusing robbery or criminal behavior, but if you have a poor father who can't get a job because of racism, and then he has two poor kids who grow up to be thugs, that's mostly the oppressor's fault.
>>56715084>low tier Amerimutt memeYou are like little baby. Watch this...
>>56714951Where did I say that you fucking retard. The guy is a diagnosed autist who is advocating for his ideology that says he's not worthy of procreating.
>>56715150>The guy is a diagnosed autist who is advocating for his ideology that says he's not worthy of procreating.And? At best you can accuse him of hypocrisy (potentially). Now explain how this makes him a nazi.
>>56715134>Trump openly condemned these groupsyou mean not until he was eventually pressured into condemning them about a week later and then when he finally did he pulled a "but what about those other guys!?" BTW He never condemned the kkk members who supported him.
Jesus jumped up Christ.I leave the thread for half an hour to do some work and come back to the place being in complete shambles.
>>56715001So you only care about voting when you have a chance at "winning" and would rather vote for someone you don't like because they may win instead of someone you do like who probably won't?
>>56715166Good job exclusively reacting to the point I clearly stated I didn't ask you to react to.I want numbers for your unsourced and clearly bullshit statement.
>>56715117>you can acknowledge that most inner city crime is committed by blacks without judging all blacks as "incompatible" of living with you?Yeah sure. My co-worker of seven years is a black man, I am perfectly fine living with him. But that is because I've known him for seven years. I've stated this twice already, now I must state it again:I am not a mind-reader or an AI. I don't have the time or resources to discover every unique individual's life history or psychology. If I am forced to make decisions within short time-frames, I resort statistical averages. Why is this so fucking difficult for you to understand?
>>56715137Jews have faced far worse oppression and bounced back every time. Compared to them black people have no excuse.
>>56715029You said anyone who doesn't meet your criteria won't get any assistance, meanwhile you've already taken everything there is to take. If starving people you don't like out of the area isn't strong arming I don't know what is.
>>56715117That's not me, he's another /pol/fag, probably not nearly as organized, prepped, or moderate as I am though.>>56715173That's the beauty of 4chan.
>>56715187Why would I have to? Honestly think for a second. Use your brain. You think open nazis are going to vote for Hillary? For Gary Johnson? Just look at /pol/ and their 24 hour masturbation general And I never said the majority of his voters were nazis, I said all open nazis voted for trump. The rest are retards who would rather vote for trump and not literally anyone else.
>>56712932has to do with this rule of fallout decay, based on seven and 1/10.After the first seven hours radiation drops by to 1/10 of what it was at bang minute (this from fallout). After 49 hours (7x7) it drops to 1/100 of what it started as - call it two days. After 343 hours (7x7x7) it drops to about 1/1000 of what it started as - call it two weeks.In general it is felt that most people in fallout zones (heavy'ish) will be able to go out side after two days for extremely limited periods of time (an hour or so) with great care taken not to bring fallout back in to your habitat. After two weeks it is felt that those same people will be able to leave for extended periods of time.Most people in the US will not be impacted by fallout at all.Some people, say Seattle for example, are really fucked and likely the above will not be in any way close to what they would have to withstand.
>>56715199Not in America dumbass
>>56715029>our community doesn't have any non-whites and I am perfectly okay judging them based on statistics and skin colorW E W L A D
>>56715184Yeah, that's how the FPTP system works. In combination with party politics it means small parties stand no chance. Best example is probably UKIP in the UK: 30% of votes, less than 1% of seats. It's far better to just vote for the mainstream guy you hate the least. The US voting system is broken, and the electoral college isn't even the biggest of its problems.
>>56714500>Half of AmericansBarely half of eligible American voters voted in the 2016 presidential election. Only about one in four eligible voters voted for either Trump or Clinton.
>>56714586>80% genetic homogeny and a lack of severe heritable disorders is the only requirement for settlement, if someone has a non-white grandparent, we don't care as long as they're willing to pitch in.So what do you do when a non-white wanderers into your community looking for a safe place to settle down?Say "sorry whites only get out nigger"? I mean it's not like anyone is going to stop you but really think if you're actually the type of person to be so petty in a post apocalyptic scenario.
>>56715232>Why would I have to?Some of us like to substantiate our claims.>Muh guilt by associationAnd yet I remember SOMEONE taking offense to the idea that everyone who's even remotely to the left of the ever shifting political center believes in 72 genders. Does your lack of self-awareness know any bounds?
>>56714039>Ethnic nationalismActually you can put cash on this. Not really nationalism, but rather tribalism. When the chips are down people 'of like' band together and the 'other' doesn't do so well. The real question is who is going to be the 'other', likely going to matter one where you are.
>>56715137>Have you truly thought about as to WHY that is? Give it a thought.Yes. Some problems are their own fault, some result from decades of slavery, some result from the genetic dice roll.It doesn't matter in this scenario though. I'm still going to avoid black people and cities like Ferguson unless I know the black person in question VERY WELL.
>>56715318>unless I know the black person in question VERY WELL.You didn't say that, you said no blacks allowed. So which is it? Are your other "ethnic nationalist friends" going to agree with that? How would your non existent black friend feel about your policies?
>>56715285It's like how in prison you have the Mexican Mafia, the Black Guerillas and the Aryan Brotherhood. People get petty when the shit hits the fan.
>>56715285>Say "sorry whites only get out nigger"?Being black myself, as much as I hate to say it that's the safest option. Even ignoring racial differences in race and IQ, more homogenous societies simply have more trust and diversity decreases trust. If you're trying to survive when the world has gone to hell, internal cohesion is your most important resource after food and shelter. Even Putnam was forced to acknowledge this.That kind of puts me between a rock and a hard place: whatever post-apo communes would accept me would eventually fall apart due to their xenophilia, and the most effective communes would probably hate my guts. Guess I'll have to learn to go solo.
>>56715290The problem is no one with any semblance of logic or reasoning would vote for trump. whether out of spite or for any other reason, ANY other candidate would have been more justifiable. Even that mormon. I'm fine with right wingers, it's trumptards that fucked everything up because of their stupidity.
>>56715150> Where did I say that you fucking retard. The guy is a diagnosed autist who is advocating for his ideology that says he's not worthy of procreating.That I am, I don't see the logical fallacy you're talking about. I'm content with masturbating all my life and helping to raise the next generation, I'm proud to be a virgin, and I find extra-marital sex disgusting on principle. What's wrong with that?>>56715159> And? At best you can accuse him of hypocrisy (potentially). Now explain how this makes him a nazi.I don't mind the label, but it's not technically correct, insofar as my ideology can be described. I much prefer the term pseudo-white nationalist.>>56715223You can't make an omellete without breaking a few eggs, if they want resources they can work or trade for them, but they aren't getting any rations handouts, and we aren't going to risk our asses to defend them from raiders.>>56715258I've done extensive research and traveling, and I've talked to several people who have lived in their communities. That's enough for me.>>56715285> So what do you do when a non-white wanderers into your community looking for a safe place to settle down?Explain our ideology and let him know why he can't settle in our community. After that, we offer to trade, let him stay a night if he needs to, and send him off on his way toward the nearest tolerant community, with a two-man escort if he's willing to take it and we're able to give it. Like I said, we've been planning this for a long time.> Say "sorry whites only get out nigger"?We're not assholes, anyone who uses the word "nigger" outside of a Finnish Canoeing Enthusiast's Circle is a nigger themselves.
I was enjoying this thread before all the butthurt leftists came in. Then again, maybe that's just /tg/.Bye bitches.
>>56715344>You didn't say that, you said no blacks allowed. So which is it? Are your other "ethnic nationalist friends" going to agree with that? How would your non existent black friend feel about your policies?Not him.But, the way this works has to do with value.What does this mythical person you are inviting in to your hold bring as value that is going to counter the food he (and his family) will consume?The real problem starts when you consider that a strong component of 'value' is trust. Do you trust these people? Not, do you trust them on a given day when everything is fine and the consequence of being wrong is likely being disappointed. But when things are total shit and the consequence of error is going to be death for you and your loved ones. In such a situation even small doubt and hesitation is going to translate as 'no', and not just doubt from you but any doubt generated by others already part of your group.The reality is that people tend to trust those from their own ethnic group, be more comfortable with them, than people from other ethnic groups. It is something that is overcome easily during modern OK times.But this is a steep hill, when you consider the process is 'group' trust The Day After.Maybe you will be the exception. More power to you. But the reality is that it is going to be chancy for most people who are caught in an area where they are the minority ethnic group. It doesn't help that their instinctive response will be to grow closer to those of like ethnicity, which will of course generate more distrust from that majority ethnicity.Shitty situation my friend. But there it is.
>>56715344>You didn't say that, you said no blacks allowed.I never said that, you're arguing with multiple people.>Are your other "ethnic nationalist friends" going to agree with that? Probably. These days, most of these ethnic nationalists are only conditional racists. If you throw an acceptable black person in front of them, their internal logic is: "Wow, I wish other black people were like him, society would be a lot better. Niggers are trash.">How would your non existent black friend feel about your policies?He would probably hate it, but we're talking about survival when the bombs fall. Friends and family first are my priorities, not diversity quotas.
>>56715268>30% of votes, less than 1% of seatsNot going to say that the massive gaps between popular vote and seats aren't idiotic when they let people that don't even have the popular vote win elections, but I've never heard of UKIP getting close to 30% of the vote. Highest they've got IIRC is 22-23%, and they've recently imploded due to lacking their primary reason to exist thanks to Cameron's incompetence.
>>56715400>butt-ruptured faggot loses and peaces out
>>56715358OK, so I have been pretty negative about this so far. Basically saying you are screwed as you describe.However, it does not HAVE to be that way. You have a disadvantage, true. But it CAN be overcome. To do that you need to be skilled in an area that will have demand. And you need the tools to practice that craft. And you need to present yourself as 'I am just like you, regardless of skin'. Kind of shitty, yeah. But it can be done.
I know a bare minimum about shooting and medicine, so probably keep that going in the beginning, pick up some sort of record keeping when society starts picking up again.I also have a slightly above-average dick, so I could also pick up a little man-whoring.
>>56715365>The problem is no one with any semblance of logic or reasoning would vote for trumpAnd yet Trump won the elections. Again, you're resorting to "everyone who disagrees with me is retarded" reasoning. Not even "everyone who disagrees with me is mistaken", which is already arrogant enough in its own right, you're calling them idiots. I don't even expect you to even realize why talking to you is a waste of time and effort. This is the last time I'll respond to you.
>>56713373I hope your parents don't know you do this in your spare time, anon.
>>56714565I don't know, I could get behind lolis doing origami.
>>56714151Literally the new Far Cry.
>>56715390Mate, you're a racist and your group are racists. Why don't you keep white people out because the two most destructive wars in history were started by white people? Or because white people instated two of the largest mass murdering regimes in history?If this was "my community wants to be isolatonist" then no one would have reacted like they did, it was because you racists had to bring race into the discussion.
>>56715344That's not me, dumbass.>>56715358The African peoples have achieved plenty on their own, without European or Arabic influence. Look at the accomplishments of the ancient Ashanti, Ghanaian, and Nubian kingdoms, and take pride in that. Your ancestors were a proud and strong people in their own right, the bane of excessive foreign aid and the leftist socialist welfare suffocating your communities are the only things holding your people back. Africa is the world's richest continent, and it's your birthright. Take pride in your race, and don't hate yourself for what's made yourself. Look into the Hotep movement, they've always seemed solid, and if I was of African descent, I'd back them in a heartbeat.>>56715487I'm dead serious, and my still-living parent is in on it.
>>56708076I love the aesthetics of pictures like OP, but I get triggered so much by the knowledge that those radio telescopes would be in that state of decomposition in maybe, 5? years, when it's clearly supposed to look like at least decades.
>>56715515>I'm dead serious, and my still-living parent is in on it.Are you, by chance, a McPoyle?
>>56714293>Cut out as much of the supply chain as you can to maximize your potential profits,Allow me to add to this by stating that, while ideally you farm your own ingredients to maximize profit, you should not consider profit and independence to be a paramount concern. To put it bluntly, if someone is capable of supporting your life and lifestyle in exchange for what is essentially servitude, than by all means take it. You won't be a free-man, but you will neither be a fucktoy nor a plaything considering your importance to the gang/warlord.There are three people even the most vicious members of a post-apocalypse tribe won't fuck with. The leader, the mechanic, and the brewmaster.
>>56713373This doesn't sound like that far off from a twilight 2000 scenario that you would find in a given town.Sorry people had to to all pol on you. Would have been more interesting to talk it out in detail.And to the hurt feeling libs here, remember there are plenty of mexican towns out South West now and a decent number of black rural towns (counties really) as well. Would work the same way there.
>>56715512> Mate, you're a racist and your group are racists.Yes, we've established that.> Why don't you keep white people out because the two most destructive wars in history were started by white people? Or because white people instated two of the largest mass murdering regimes in history?Because we're white, and as fucked up as white people have been, and as soft ans degenerate as they are now, we believe the good outweighs the bad.> If this was "my community wants to be isolatonist" then no one would have reacted like they did, it was because you racists had to bring race into the discussion.I mentioned ethno-nationalism, ONCE, in my original post, because saying we're egalitarian isolationists would've been dishonest to OP. I've only been responding to replies, I'm not instigating anything, but I'm glad we're getting a healthy discussion out of it.
>>56715576>There are three people even the most vicious members of a post-apocalypse tribe won't fuck with. The leader, the mechanic, and the brewmaster.How about the medic?
>be OP>want to start fun hypothetical FO thread>all goes well until >>56713373 shows up and derails everything/pol/ really does ruin everything.
>>56715584>Yes, we've established thatWe're done here, guys. Nothing to see here but a sad racist dreaming about his impossible future of ubermensch cucking him to keep the Aryan line strong and pure.
>>56714985Why do you feel the need to assure me that you're not gonna infringe on my rights? I don't give two shits what some internet retard wants to do to my rights. Also, you're autistic, I'm not gonna trust your opinion on who's charismatic. I'd tell you to quit the survivalist masturbating and try some self reflection, but I'm guess that wouldn't work too well for you.
>>56715601He answered the question in full, with a decent explanation. Which is what OP wanted. It is the libs that lost their shit. Have been attacking him personally since then. And are now apparently talking about being the victim.I personally think it is because most of them had an answer of 'I die' and were more offended by someone saying 'I will not die' than the racism thing.Might we hear your suggestion? Help OP, give him a fun answer. Give him ideas as to how his future post-apoc game should have areas playing out. Lets hear your plan.
>>56715652Yep, I agree. Let's get back to you giving your answer as to how you see yourself surviving.
>>56715548I am not, though I don't know what that has to do with anything.>>56715577> Sorry people had to to all pol on you. Would have been more interesting to talk it out in detail.I don't mind, and I'm still here, we can talk if you want.> And to the hurt feeling libs here, remember there are plenty of mexican towns out South West now and a decent number of black rural towns (counties really) as well. Would work the same way there.I don't know why everyone assumes ethnic-nationalists are hell-bent on exterminating other ethnicities. We just want to be left alone, with our own peoples, in our own communities. We don't even need an ethno-state, a nation of multi-racial nation of voluntarily segregated, mutually respectful mono-ethnic communities would be a dream come true.>>56715601I'm sorry, I gave you an honest answer, and didn't expect it to blow up like this. Next time I see a similar thread, I'll stay out of it for your sake. And by the rate this thread's is progressing, it'll be gone by tomorrow morning.>>56715652I'm not Aryan, and we're not Aryan. We're white, and want a community of whites, there's a difference.>>56715692> Why do you feel the need to assure me that you're not gonna infringe on my rights?Because anons generally think I want to when the discussion comes up, and I wanted to clarify I don't.
>>56715704Or maybe, just maybe, the literal, self admitted autist came up with a retarded plan, and we're mocking him for it, as is the way of 4chan. If you don't get that, maybe you should head back to r/thedonald
>>56708173>That or offer myself as a fuckboiGood idea, though I'll have to remember to stockpile makeup and get my excess body hair removed permanently before anything happens
>>56708076Lose a lot of weight
>>56715769I didn't come up with the plan, our leader did, and I plan on following it, should the circumstances arise. Just wanted to clarify, it's not entirely my idea.
>>56715769>>56715769Except your not. Other than calling him names you haven't actually offered anything wrong with his plan, certainly nothing that you have offered is better.You have literally heard something you didn't like and proceeded to call anon names and call that discussion - blaming him the whole time. Take a minute, read back. He has been far more respectful to you than you have to him. Yet he is the bad guy.Anyhow, please, what is your plan? What is your plan that is so much better than his? We are all waiting.
>>56715755Who thinks you're infringing on their rights by saying stupid shit? This isn't tumblr you know. Right, forget, you're a retard. Oh, and just so you know, whites as a race was something a bunch of dudes came up with a few hundred years ago. It's really fucking arbitrary and defining yourself by it is just sad.
>>56710106>the 60s, 79s, and 80s>right about much of anythingNext you will tell me trickle down economic models work
>>56715755Is the most pathetic trolling tactic the "I swear it's not my fault I keep replying"?
>>56710106>>56713379MAD wouldn't destroy civilization. Soviet Union and USA-yes,most of West and Eastern Europe yes.But large parts of globe wouldn't be directly affected. Oceania and SouthAmerica would largely be spared as would certain parts of Asia.Some areas in Europe would be less hit than others.Most likely result would be return to civilization tech level between 17-19th century with parts of early 20th century technology.It would probably take around 200-300 years to get back to pre-war levels of development.You can bet you technology like guns, radio, railroads, concrete wouldn't disappear.
>>56715808And your leader's a nobody who couldn't make it in the real world.>>56715831What's the matter baby, need a safe space? Is the big bad 4chan being mean to your buttbuddy? God you even type like a ledditor
>>56715747Well since you asked I'd gather my surviving friends and family, and meet up with any other rational survivors for our mutual benefit.It's pretty hard to think of what could possibly be done in my area though, I'm right in the middle of three huge strategic targets and sandwiched between the sea and a desert not known for being safe to cross. So where I live would be a nuclear wasteland, the ocean isn't an option, and crossing the desert would be suicide considering the dustbowl is on the other side.
>>56715704Writing in exactly the same style as him doesn't make you look like a samefag at all.
>>56715905>God you even type like a ledditorYou would know.
>>56715898If enough nukes went off to destroy The US, Europe, Russia, and China you can bet your ass nothing on this planet would survive.
Realistically? Die, probably after a few weeks of not knowing what the fuck I'm doing after the fairly big yet strategically unimportant city nearby gets inevitably atomized.In postapocafunland, go to the university and see if I can put together something approaching a community there. It's one of those campus ones we've kinda imported from America, we have a lot of advanced equipment and knowledge between us and we're in the country so we have some room to do whatever. A lot of people have probably fucked off in either panic or to find family and such, so they'll be less drain on food supplies. Since we can produce non-industrial quantities of some fairly specialist chemicals and have a bunch of experts we trade expertise for food and safety.Hell, if I remember correctly one of the genetics PhD students is writing about hypothetical fallout-resistant engineered crops. There's something that might make a decent goal.
>>56708076So my plan. I have about thirty years in the army now (national guard mostly, infantry and combat engineer, lots of cool stuff when I was young - yes I am an old fag). I live on what used to be a farm, now it is just a large plot of land. I am about ten miles from the nearest small town. About an hours drive from the nearest large'ish city. I live in a valley with a decent number of neighbors, maybe a dozen houses all together spread over about a half mile or so.My basic plan would be to bring in family and friends to the farm that I trust them most - most already know. From there I would make contact with neighbors and set up support as best we could - focus on security and food to begin. Luckily we are a farming community.In support of this I have stocked about 5k rounds of 5.56 and about 20k rounds of 22lr along with the rifles to eat them (few other rounds/weapons also, but that is the big numbers). I have stocked about 10 person years of food. Which isn't nearly as much as you might think.The idea would be to weather the storm of the first year. Move to a survival farming level after that. I suspect that such small community will in many places be the norm.I would not advocate taking in any refugees. Sorry. Unless you bring both skill and tools for that skill that are dearly needed it is unlikely you would be worth the food needed to keep you alive. Please move along.
>>56715963>If enough nukes went off to destroy The US, Europe, Russia, and China you can bet your ass nothing on this planet would survive.Nowhere during the Cold War were there enough nukes to completely destroy these countries.And these countries aren't really majority of the planet. Countries like Chile, places like New Caledonia are relatively isolated and in suitable areas to survive relatively unharmed and would be capable of keeping technology levels of at least 19th century.
>>56715963Not that many nukes anonThere never really were, and there certainly aren't enough deliverable nukes now.The basic rule is that if it doesn't launch a nuke or tell a nuke to launch it isn't going to be a target.
>>56715837> Who thinks you're infringing on their rights by saying stupid shit? Telling someone you won't infringe on their right to another opinion is a figure of speech that's used all the time where I'm from.> Right, forget, you're a retard. Oh, and just so you know, whites as a race was something a bunch of dudes came up with a few hundred years ago.We both know white is shorthand for European or Cacauscoid. The fact it was codified a few centuries ago means nothing when it's a legitimate and genetically quantifiable facet of a person's genome.> It's really fucking arbitrary and defining yourself by it is just sad.If wanting to preserve my ancestor's legacy and ensure a future for my family's descendents is sad, then I'm in fucking tears.>>56715860I'm replying because I enjoy the discussion, not because I have something to prove.>>56715905> And your leader's a nobody who couldn't make it in the real world.By whose standards? He's a family man, he's happy where he is, and we, as a community, look up to him. That should be enough for anyone.
>>56715913>>56715913How do you define that? Mutual benefit? Where is the food coming from? Is this just a large get together that gets larger as you run in to people you like, all without more food production happening?What are these 'huge strategic targets' you are talking about? They may not be. Actually, likely are not.
>>56711369This was pretty much my immediate thought: if I go into the situation knowing the premise is I can't die, I can do all sorts of crazy shit and come out on top.
>>56716053My friend, they are just trolling you. Stop responding to them.
>>56716053A hundred years ago "white" people didn't consider Italians and Greeks to be "white".And what's sad is that you think "race" is such a huge thing it needs to be preserved over things like culture. Who cares if the descendants that carry on your legacy are white or black or brown?
>>56715913In that case, I wish you the best of luck, and a word of advice, California isn't the best place to weather the collapse of civilization, if I were you, I'd head north.
>>56708076I live on an island off the Atlantic full of old money shits with yachts everywhere. At the first sign of societal collapse I'm stocking up on fishing gear and enough resources to last until all the panic and raiding stops, hijacking the biggest boat that I can get to before they're all gone, then only coming back to shore once a fucking month if I really need the supplies.>mfw
>>56716053So where are you and your militia cult based out of?
If there's some kind of organised community, I'd try to ingratiate myself to them, and be loyal and productive to secure their support. I'll let someone else decide what I should be doing, as long as it's not too dangerous. I'm reasonably well-suited to being a guard or a builder.Failing that, I'd just have to steal and kill to get what I want. Probably group up with friends to do it. I guess we'd be a bandit gang. Perhaps we could set ourselves up as working for a particular community, or as a force for order and restoration with loyalty to the Queen. Mostly for reputation and recruiting purposes, of course, but if it goes well, then we can probably organise a community as above.The way I see it, scavenging and foraging would actually be pretty dangerous, since there's bound to be a lot of competition. The safer thing to do is to let other people go through the hassle of and take the risks involved in gathering resources and supplies. If we can target them once they've done that part for us, we should have a good chance at doing well for ourselves.Existing criminals are likely to mean serious trouble for us, but I don't have any survival skills and I'm not prepared for any sort of disaster, so even with that threat, I still thing banditry is one of the safest options.
>>56716088I think we all know that OP was just asking that people give it a shot rather than just be snarky and say they die.So far we have (myself) a guy who is rural and set to organize neighbors, a guy who is planing to set up an ethnostate (and sounds like the have the resources to at least survive if not pull off their dream), and a bunch of people who are basically saying they will wonder around and hope someone saves them because they are nice.I think TG can do better. What would your characters do if you rolled up yourself for that initial twilight game about the fall?
>>56716086There is a military base and two of the largest ports in the west coast within 100 miles of my house. I am fucked.And the size of whatever hypothetical community I am talking about would be limited to how large the area could realistically support. There's safety in numbers, but expansion would be difficult and likely present too large of a threat to survival.
>>56716179What's more entertaining to read about? People forming raider bands or being line wasteland wanderers? Or some survivalist prepper going on about basic needs and their blatant misanthropic belief that anyone who isn't them is either a leach or a threat?
>Man makes perfectly reasonable statement.>/tg/, being the reddit infested shithole that it is these days, has no better retort then to autisticly bleat "MUH /POOOOOOOOOOL/">The moronic Libs that shame my fucking ideology start with their "muh Adolf Trumpler ruined America" sperging. Jesus fucking Christ /tg/ we used to be better then this.
>>56716118They want a reply, and I've got the time to give them one. It'd be rude not to give them one.>>56716127Race and culture are intrinsically linked, and if my descendents aren't genetically similar to me, what's the point?>>56716161I can't give specifics because I swore not to, but we're north of Cheyenne, Wyoming, and a ways away from the continental West coast.
>>56716303Yeah. We didn't have autistic fags coming in REEEEing about "libs" when called out on their bullshit racist ideological fantasy
>>56716308>race and culture are intrinsically linkedOh no! Your kid might have TWO cultures! Golly gosh how much would that stink!>if my descendents aren't genetically similar to me, what's the point?Unless you literally inbreed they will ALWAYS be significantly different from you, genetically. My question is, why is it so important that your child be as much like you as they can be? Is it not enough they be happy and successful by their own metrics?
>>56716303I too remember the days before /pol/ attracted an entire new userbase of underage racists to the site.
>no one near us is white>we only want whites because we hate them blackieshave you ever even met one you ignorant autistic racist?
>>56716290Oh come on, where would post-apocalyptic fiction be without batshit insane preppers, genocidal neo-nazis, and inbred redneck clans? They're staples of the genre, it's like having a fantasy setting with no kings or magic, something's missing without them.
>>56716374Don't. He's already fucked up and ignored the vital piece of lore from earlier where he's an autist and won't be able to breed, thus meaning he wouldn't have any descendants.And I really wish he weren't just a troll so that his ip could be tracked and an actual retard cult militia could be ganked again like Waco.
I guess we'll find out soon
>>56716290>What's more entertaining to read about? People forming raider bands or being line wasteland wanderers? Or some survivalist prepper going on about basic needs and their blatant misanthropic belief that anyone who isn't them is either a leach or a threat?to be honest, the latter. i don't care for their beliefs, but it's interesting to learn about real groups, how they are planning for this kind of event and thinking about how that might play out, for better or worse. just having a bunch of crazy raiders spring out of the ground like fallout does is fun but it's not as interesting.
>>56716398>batshit insane preppersOne of my favorite minor details in the Fallout series desu. Love coming across some skeleton with a rifle and a teddy bear in his arms surrounded by a few sandbags.
>>56716422It's really not or that show about their like would probably still be on. But they're always the same thing.>stockpiles of food and ammo. If you're lucky they may even include some way to filter water>expensive bunker that costs as much as a house>extreme xenophobia. TRUST NO ONE.>muh good country values
>tfw le 56% AmeriburgerI'd take my guns and ammo and go live innawoods, maybe try to build a small community with other survivors.Considering the major population centers will be targets and there's a shit load of rural land in the US then I think people will be mostly fine.Unless we're talking about complete global saturation followed by a nuclear winter. In that case I would ___________die______Europoors would be fucked though
>>56716374> Oh no! Your kid might have TWO cultures! Golly gosh how much would that stink!First off, I'm not reproducing myself. Second, mixed-race children have been scientifically documented to have a higher rate of depression than purebred children of either parent race.> Unless you literally inbreed they will ALWAYS be significantly different from you, genetically. My question is, why is it so important that your child be as much like you as they can be?It's what my ancestors would've wanted, and it's what's proven to form happy, safe, and stable societies.> Is it not enough they be happy and successful by their own metrics?If they want to join a tolerant settlement, breed mixed-race children, and live apart from our community, I won't hold that against them, and I'd wish them the best, even visit on holidays if I could. They can do what they want, they aren't me, but all the same, I'd prefer they cared as much about their people as I do.
>>56716221Likely not targets. The ports would only be targeted if they serviced boomers. The military bases if they had nukes at them.What state?
>>56714155Where is Filmer's Patriarcha?Also, list is shit after Leviathan. I guess The Wealth of Nations is interesting.
>>56716415> Don't. He's already fucked up and ignored the vital piece of lore from earlier where he's an autist and won't be able to breed, thus meaning he wouldn't have any descendants.My *family's* descendents. I consider them mine, even if they aren't from my own genes.> And I really wish he weren't just a troll so that his ip could be tracked and an actual retard cult militia could be ganked again like Waco.I'm using Tor fag, and none of what we're doing is in anyway illegal, for that matter. Also, the Branch Davidians had a right to self-determination, regardless of their religious beliefs. I'll admit, their institutional pedophilia and polygamy was fucked though.>>56716527It's a starter's list, I didn't make it, but it helped open my eyes all the same.
>>56716482>mixed race children have a higher rate of depressionOh boy could that be because, just maybe, that there are racists and mixed race children are treated differently?>It's what my ancestors would have wantedLiterally irrelevant. Your ancestors wanted you to kill the Jews and would have had autists like you clubbed to death with a rock.>it's what's proven to form happy, safe, and stable societies[Citation Needed]>I'd prefer they cared as much about their people as I do>if you mix with the blacks you clearly don't care about your heritage
When you say "ethnonationalism", but your new state is basically a small town and its population, then what do you actually mean? Wouldn't your town be a new nation? Of course racial and cultural exclusion are perfectly fine, especially if you want a cohesive community, but I don't think "ethnonationalist" is a relevant descriptor in the context, because the ethnicity is fragmented and the old nation-state is gone.
>>56716585You're so fucking bad at this.Just give up kid.
>>56716524California, I am between Long Beach, the largest passenger and freight port and San Diego, the largest military port, and am near Camp Pendleton a major Marine Corps base.
>>56716591>Oh boy could that be because, just maybe, that there are racists and mixed race children are treated differently?Insufficient explanation.If there's a problem with wacism against half-castes, then surely the full-blood non-Whites would be targets of it, too. If so, then why would the half-castes be more depressed than the full-blood non-Whites?
>>56716615He likely doesn't really know. As he said, it really isn't his plan. He is just part of it.But, yeah, the idea that they could pull it off is pretty silly. Or that they would even waist the resources on trying.Likely what he/they really mean is that plan to exclude those not of their ethnicity from the area they inhabit. Which likely is less of a deal than people think because it is probably a near all white area to begin with. The impact would be towards those who would be refugees looking to enter the area.My guess anyhow.
>>56716648Because whites aren't the only ones who are racist you fucking retard. So full niggers have other niggers, but to racist niggers half niggers are half white and to racist whites half whites are half niggers. Is this seriously above your head?
>>56716636Cali has a few targets, give me about twenty minutes to look it up. Those don't sound like targets though. I have to re-install google earth. Be a minute.
>>56716702HE FUCKING SAID IT!
>>56716591> Oh boy could that be because, just maybe, that there are racists and mixed race children are treated differently?Maybe, just maybe, it's because their parents selfishly robbed them of the chance to belong to either ethnic community, and nine times out of ten, they feel torn between both worlds?> Literally irrelevant. Your ancestors wanted you to kill the Jews and would have had autists like you clubbed to death with a rock.I'm content to live separate from them, and that's one reason I'm not breeding any time soon.> [Citation Needed]15,000+ years of human civilization?>if you mix with the blacks you clearly don't care about your heritageYes! We're finally getting somewhere with this.>>56716636> CaliforniaI called it.>>56716615> When you say "ethnonationalism", but your new state is basically a small town and its population, then what do you actually mean? Thank you for asking. I mean ethno-nationalist in that our end-goal is to establish a peaceful, ethnically homogenous state composed of those of European descent, through voluntary exchange with the communities surrounding us, and if need be, the destruction of those who would actively and violently oppose that goal.> Wouldn't your town be a new nation? That it would be, in the wake of society's collapse, every emergent faction has to start somewhere.> Of course racial and cultural exclusion are perfectly fine, especially if you want a cohesive community, but I don't think "ethnonationalist" is a relevant descriptor in the context, because the ethnicity is fragmented and the old nation-state is gone.Ethnicity supersedes nation, as an example, Mexico is not the whole of the Latino people, if Mexico is destroyed and the majority of Latinos are killed, there is nothing preventing a group of remaining Latinos from establishing an ethno-state, based around preserving their peoples and their ideals. The USA and European American peoples are no different.
>>56716678Wouldn't Negroes look up to half-castes because they are at least half-White (even though not properly White)?
>>56716671That's a spot-on guess, even if I'm a bit more optimistic about it.>>56716702Go back to /pol/ and eat more onions you low-T cuck.>>56716783> NegroesRacist faggot, the correct term is black, heavily melanated, or African American.
>>56716704Just for interest
>>56716765>trying this hardLmfao anon, this discussion was more fun when you were trying to pretend you weren't a typical racist faggot. Enjoy your self imposed cucking.
>>56716853Well shit I didn't even know about March, but that's even closer to me than the other places.
>>56716728>>56716834Actually I'm a different anon, it just seemed like the right place to get (You)s. I have no idea why that dumb term triggers people so much
>>56716834>blackThis also covers Aborigines, Negritoes, Melanesians, and potentially Dravidians, not just Negroes.>African AmericanThis can include the descendants of refugees of Boer, Arabic, Maghreb, etc. descent, not just Negroes.The correct term for the Negro race is "Negro".
>>56716922>refugeesI mean immigrants in general. I just got mixed up because the plight of the Boers is heartbreaking.
>>56716862I never said I wasn't a racist, only that I don't have a problem with other races. Also, it's not cucking if I've never had a relationship to begin with, it's voluntarily removing myself from the gene-pool, for the greater good of the next generation.>>56716894It's a meme, just like drumpftard or cuck-a-duck. The only people triggered by it were looking to be triggered whether they know it or not.>>56716922Fair enough, though Aborignes are a separate species entirely, and there's a wealth of less offensive ways to convey the point.>>56716939It is, I wonder whatever happened with the alleged Cape of Good Hope succession.
>>56716979>less offensive ways to convey the pointPardon me. What point? What was offensive about what I wrote?
>>56716979>I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OTHER RACES, I JUST DON'T WANT THEM NEAR MEHoly shit anon I take it back keep going this is gold. Tell me more about how you're cucking yourself, too.
>>56716979>it's voluntarily removing myself from the gene-pool, for the greater good of the next generation.>utilitarian eugenics>not egocentric eugenicsp. sad to be desu
>>56716892March is a little iffy in my book. It is reported as a strategic communications relay. Basically a key link in the National Command Authority communications system (NCA). However, while the initial authority for this was 'high', I have not been able to get any solid confirmation from other sources. But it stays on the list.Likely two 250K ground burst warheads followed by a 250kt airburst. Assuming hardened target. If it is a soft target then two 250kt airburst.
>>56708076>full-on nuclear warfare.I'm Australian, nothing changes except me adding skulls to my car.
>>56717032To me? Nothing whatsoever. To other, racially ignorant anons? It's associated with the CSA and chattel slavery, which usually provokes an angry or indignant response, instead of a potentially curious one, that could lead to a mutually enlightening conversation.>>56717041The various ethnicities are happier in separate, ethnically homogenous communities, wherein they can form their own culture and community, away from outside influence. I acknowledge that, and want to help form an isolated, ethnically homogenous state, wherein my people can live, free from outside influence, and set an example for other ethnicities, so they can do the same. I'm not cucking myself, as I have never had sex, a romantic relationship, or amorously touched a member of the opposite sex, for that matter, and I derive no sexual pleasure from the thought of another man having intercourse with my hypothetical spouse. I only want to see my family's descendents prosperous and healthy, something that can't happen with asthma, myopia, autism, and a plethora of potentially lethal allergies circulating through the gene-pool.>>56717100> Race > SelfBetter to leave a stable legacy for my community that lasts for centuries than to enjoy myself for a few decades at my children's expense.
My dad had testicular cancer and said it was the worst pain he ever experienced. Regularly just rolling through bottles of 500 count ibuprofan before finally getting to the doctor. From there he had access to chemotherapy which nausiated him for months. It took another 15 years for him to get back to normal as far as energy level and engagement with the world.In the event of a nuclear blast where the likelihood having to go through that happens AND the medical system is probably fucked too, I'll eat the bullet.
>>56717240I'm not a seppo so I don't understand your silly hang-ups about language.
>>56717240>being so proud of your self imposed cucking you wear it as a badge of honorAnon if you family begat you, a retard, then by any proper eugenics system your entire family line should be cut off, they all have the gene, even recessively.>we can improve society by letting retards grow up to be relative slave labor but never letting them reproduce>but let's not question any other shit our caveman ancestors did, like not mix racesinb4 depression and suicide weren't as prevalent in pre-mixed society
>>56717240>I'm not cucking myself, as I have never had sex, a romantic relationship, or amorously touched a member of the opposite sexDon't worry anon, no woman wants to touch you, anyway
>>56709864There will be a huge lack of resources.Rare earth alone will be insanely expensive
>>56717240>>56717240>> Race > Self>Better to leave a stable legacy for my community that lasts for centuries than to enjoy myself for a few decades at my children's expense.The value of the race derives from the value of the self. If you were a Chinaman, would you not then want to advance the interests of Chinamen?I am the centre of everything and I am the best. The more closely associated a thing is to me, the better that thing is. My family? It is the best family. My friends? They are the best friends. My race? It is the best race. My country? It is the best country. Because they are mine, and I am the best.And because these things are mine, a general benefit to them is a benefit to me. But when there is a tension between two things associated to me, then the thing more closely associated wins out. Thus I prefer the interests of mine own family to the interests of the race as a whole. Thus a foreign friend might get special treatment instead of being deported or executed.Progeny, legacy, posterity - these are extensions of the self (and they are the extensions with the longest reach down history). Accordingly, benefit to one's children is a benefit to the self. There is no tension between doing the right thing for the self and doing the right thing for one's children - the right thing for one's children is always, necessarily, the right thing for the self.At first this may seem contrary to what I have written above - my personal self is more closely associated to me than my children, surely. But in fact, children are entirely subordinate, and contained within, in contrast to friends, other relatives, countrymen, etc., who are to varying extents independent. The line of one's children is always one's own line, which is not so for one's brother's line, for example. So descendants are a special case where looking at the balance of outcomes works - because they are all really self-centred outcomes, unlike in other cases.
>>56715100>The whole process takes serious skill, knowledge, and experience to get it right. It is not that hard
>>56717646And yet people who did it their entire lives, whose families did it for generations, fail. If you believe you will simply walk out in to some area of earth with a sharp tool and make food you are likely to be very disappointed in the results.The same goes for those who think they are going to simply walk in to the woods and hunt, and that will work out.
>>56716053>We both know white is shorthand for European or CacauscoidEven arabs are caucasoids.
>>56717708Dude, I've been doing it for a long time.Bad wheater can fuck things though.I mean, in any pos-apocalyptic scenario people in the cities would die even before the "apocalypse" ended. So it's not like a bunch of nobodies would need to start from zero
>>56708076I take my bug-out bag, phone my designated survivor-buddy and best friend, and then we fuck off innawoods. I live far enough north that A) a couple days will take us into the middle of bumblefuck nowhere, and B) the chances of us being anywhere near a nuke detonation are fairly low. I have enough wilderness survival experience for us to last maybe a couple of months before we'd need to return to civilisation to scavenge for more supplies. When we do that, we'll evaluate what's left of society and decide what to do from there.If things have descended into anarchy then we'll grab what we need and fuck off again. Probably find a cabin that looks abandoned and start fortifying it. If the gubment is still in control, we fuck off back into the wilderness because chances are it'll be a higher quality of life than getting rounded up and given a cot in a gymnasium somewhere.If fucking everybody is dead then I guess we head east to the next town over and become wanderers looking for signs of life.
>>56709250They aren't sterile, they're hybrids, utilizing and ancient technique known as hybrid vigour. Much like how a mutt is healthier than it's differently purebred parents, a hybrid of 2 different strains has the strengths of both. The problem is that then the offspring of the hybrid then split back up into the different genetic combinations and the that generation is shit. This is the same with all high quality seed. In the vast majority of cases all the GM is doing for us is making it Roundup resistant so we can just spray a single cheap and relatively safe herbicide instead of half a dozen rather dangerous and expensive ones. That's why we pay more for the GM seed. This mostly refers to cash crops like corn, canola, and soybeans.Cereal crops such as wheat, barley, and oats don't use hybrid vigour because it's not economically feasible, so they have a kind of genetic average going on, so they're fine to keep regrowing (maybe not legally but apocalypse who cares).Since in an apocalypse you won't have the market for corn syrup, canola oil, or numerous soy products, I'd say you best bet farming wise is cereals, hemp for oil and rope/clothes/fibre, and whatever veggies grow easily in your climate, hopefully potatoes.In my apocalypse scenario, no nukes are exploding anywhere nearby and I'd expect a few days to pass before fallout could get close. So plan is gets the cows all under shelter, put as much food in with them will fit and hope not too many die cooped up for a couple weeks. Then get the old windmill waterpump working, make sure all the bins are sealed, and if our power grid is still up for a few days use power tools to build a mill and still while I've got them.Then go back to farming like my parents did I guess, it'll suck to high hell and back, but no other choice. I suppose start having as many kids as possible because optimal human lifespan just got cut by more than half and infant mortality will be a thing again. So like my grandparents.
>>56717240>I'm not cucking myself, as I have never had sex, a romantic relationship, or amorously touched a member of the opposite sexMemeing aside, this really makes me sad. Anon mentioned earlier that his living parent is part of the same cult, this cult that calls his genetics unworthy and him a blight on the gene pool. I can't imagine how psychologically harmful it would be to have family members, people you love and trust fill your head with all of this shit, to talk about you like that.Really makes me sad.
>>56708076In all likelihood I'd be dead or irradiated because I'm about 30 miles from the one Target in Ohio that anyone gives a shit about as shown by >>56716853.If I'm not dead, then I'd be at home with my family more than likely. No major medical issues ATM means I'd be ok short term, farm community and all. Long term... There's a lot of people near enough, may keep things together maybe not. I know enough about a gun not to kill myself but I'm not a real shooter. Depending on if a decent sized community forms or not I may be alright.
>>56710309You make it sound like people reforming tribal societies isn't a very logical route in absence of a large government.Hell, most of pre-Roman Europe was a tribal society, Tribal doesn't immediately mean literal subhuman Africans chucking spears.
>>56717781Impressive. Very few people plant food by hand and don't use chemicals for advantage in amounts to feed themselves dependably. Then collect seeds from that crop at harvest for the next planting. While preserving that crop for food till the next harvest. All by hand with equipment that doesn't depend on modern services.Your doing great anon. You should be proud. Homesteader?
>>56718016Not even that guy, but it's a logical stance to take when you step back from your instinct to preserve your own genetic legacy.Like, I have lupus. Early onset, been with me since I was five years old. It causes me significant pain in day to day life and has left me with some ugly looking scars on my arms and legs just because of how bad the rash gets.Why the FUCK would I ever willingly inflict that on another human being? The idea that somebody could be selfish enough to give an innocent child their genetic burden purely because they can't help but blindly follow an inbuilt desire to pass along their genes, is genuinely baffling to me.
>>56718186That's significantly different than being a high functioning autist and being brainwashed by your parents to come to the conclusion.
The funniest thing is that any nuclear apocalypse is going to be primarily white peoples fault but the sperg in this thread thinks blacks are the problem. If anything you should want to race mix as much as possible to get rid of your nuclear-weapon-using genetics. Because culture and intelligence is genetic.
>>56718284Good point. If we can dumb down people in general to where things like nuclear weapons can't be developed that would stop them from being used in the future after all. But can we be sure we wouldn't dumb the race down too much? How would you control for that?Good point though.
>>56713373God speed anon, the butt hurt faggots who decided to take offense can cram it.
>>56717398Just personal preference.>>56717402No-one else has the disorders, aside from my oldest brother, who shares a few of my allergies. I'm sure their kids will be healthy, and for our sake, I hope they are. Give it a few generations, and it'll breed out.>>56717463Again with the sex, why is that the insult you people resort to 99% of the time? We're not animals, there's more to life than orgasming inside someone.>>56717593An interesting perspective, but I've always tended more towards ethno-centrism than ego-centrism, it's always seemed to have more purpose to me.>>56717715That they are, but they have a different phenotype, a much higher rate of inbreeding, and a culture fundamentally incompatible with western society. They're still white in every sense of the word, just not the same kind of white.> (1/2)
>>56718475>>56718016It's really touching you give a shit, but, I assure you, I'm fine. I didn't know it was an actual thing until my mother died, I hit 16 and started getting into WW2 history, my great-uncle filled me in on what school's textbooks didn't, and a few years later, they sprung it on me April 20th, little over a decade ago. There was never any pressure, or indoctrination involved, they gave me the knowledge to make my own decisions, and when I did, it happened.My genes are objectively inferior, and the next generation is objectively stronger without them. It's my own choice to stay celibate, and I was never pushed or pressured into it. The core of our ideology is voluntarism, doing what needs to be done voluntarily, my decision is no different, and I'm absolutely content with that. (>>56718186) This anon hit the nail on the head, I can barely breathe after running half a mile, see forty feet without my glasses, or really talk with people I don't know personally. I don't someone else to deal with that all their life.>>56718214I was never brainwashed, years of reading both sides of the issue, finding /pol/, and virtually debating with retards and geniuses on both sides of the political spectrum are how and why I was able to develop my own views. I'm just thankful I have a support network and don't have to hide my beliefs every minute of every day so many others.>>56718284I don't think blacks are the problem, it's the globalist cabal's influence, rampant materialism, and unchecked nihilism that's the problem. I wish other races the best, hope we can get over the lifeless that is modern society, and go back to our roots.>>56718474Many thanks anon, you too.> (2/2)
>>56718512>*don't wantSorry about the typos, it's damn near three a.m where I'm at. If you're reading this, ATF, I'm not home, I'm abroad on business.
>>56715601He was honest and open. He gave his full answer in the spirit of the thread. Then the harpees came...
>>56715905Behold, the intellectual might of the left winger.
>>56716290The enthostate guy has a way cooler and far more fleshed out narrative. It's probably one of the few decent and original ideas in this thread. The rest were lazily slapped together.
>>56716303Idk when it got this bad. I remember we used to be able to joke about NAZIs a couple years back. Now you can't do much as make a passing comment about right wing ideas without someone lashing out at you with beastial fury./tg/'s culture is dying; you can tell be the xenophobia and multitude of generals.
>>56716372What do you mean by called out?Why did he have to be called out? What was inherently wrong with his idea? What the fuck are you even talking about?!
>>56718214No, it's not. Both are down to genetics. I can totally understand why anon wouldn't want to dump his problems on his hypothetical offspring. It'd be like intentionally inflicting brain damage on somebody you don't know.I mean, obviously avoiding genetic disorders is always going to be a case of 'least bad', but if it's a choice between giving somebody lupus or crippling autism and giving them a poor sense of smell, then I would pick the latter every time.
>>56716669Look that this soy boy
>>56718186I know that feel, even if I don't feel it the same way. God bless.
>>56718512You seem like you have your shit together and I agree with your viewpoints.There's a difference between discrimination and differentiation.
>>56718813It sad that this is revolutionary piece of wisdom.
>>56718813Indeed, I'd we rather have prosperous unity in seperate, mutually respectful communities than hateful division lumped together in an unnatural, corporate conglomerate mass. I just wish people on both sides could get past the blind hatred, and realize there's no reason they can't coexist apart from one another. Maybe one day, but, maybe not.
It must be pretty cool to build a hugbox all by yourself, samefag.Oh, wait. I'm sure all the identically typed responses AREN'T the same retarded segregationist playing victim.>>56718697He doesn't. It's nothing more than a meticulously planned(on the surface level)segregationist power fantasy.
>>56718975>being this paranoidSorry people disagree with you, anon. Maybe if you were nicer you people would treat you better.And his narrative was cool; you're just being salty.
>>56718975I'm not samefagging faggot. I know it's hard to wrap your head around, but not everyone agrees with your utopian worldview.
>>56718975> Example A
>>56718975> Example B
>>56718975>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same personThat's a really silly defense mechanism. I'm sorry my opinion conflicts with your worldview but that doesn't mean I'm not a real person talking to other real people, much as you'd like to believe it to be otherwise.
>>56718975> Example C
>>56718975> Example D
>>56719097>>56719089>>56719088>>56719080>>56719059>>56719047Oh, my god you're still trying. That's fucking adorable!
>>56718975> Example E
>>56719047>>56719089>>56719134Neither post is mine, get over yourself.
>>56719134Proofs I'm not a samefag
>>56718975> Oh, wait. I'm sure all the identically typed responsesI have to admit, this got me thinking. Do you guys think that there might be a correlation between someone's political views and their typing style?
>>56719226Beyond things like dialect, dictition and vocabulary, I'd believe there is.I feel like one's political stance is down stream from their temperament and values and I believe that those two would likely affect one's writing.Someone who is meticulous and logical will write in a very succinct manner.
>>56719260Right, and I'm sure there's some board-specific lingo that goes past the specific slang-terms. Browse /k/, /o/, /fit/, and /co/ for an hour or two, and you'll notice subtle differences in the way people write. It's interesting, something we probably wouldn't see if the site was just one board.
>>56719226Correlation, probably, but it's probably environmental rather than any inherent inclinations.
>>56719303As >>56719285 points out it's a little bit of nature and nurture.
>>56719303>>56719385Yeah, it's still pretty neat to see how it happens. Almost like the continental US's language drift in microsm.
>>56719414I was thinking the very same thing. It's really fascinating.
>>56719499Checked, and it really is. You know, I've always thought it's strange how the best /pol/ threads aren't on /pol/ to begin with.
>>56713271I'm struggling to find the government one, but I have located a website where someone has compiled an astonishing number of texts relevant to rebuilding a modern society from scratch.>survivor library fileshttp://www.survivorlibrary.com/?page_id=1014
>>56708173Use it as an excuse to start up a mercenary band. Protect the innocent, bang the sexy, and punish the evil, or die trying while going out in a blaze of glory.And if I somehow manage not to day on the first day, I'd try to establish a new nation. I'd be the first king, then when I leave the throne, give the next guy a few books to learn and rule by(among them being On War by Clauswitz, the Prince by Machivelli, among other classical political treatises.)
>>56714155>I don't care if you want to establish an LBTQ2AI+ friendly egalitarian commune in our backyard, infact, I'd applaud you for doing so, but the reverse can't be said, and you have the audacity to call me bigotedThis.This is the main difference between the right and the left. The right doesn't give a fuck what you do and who you do it with as long as you leave us alone to live how we want. Be as much of a furtrangaynegrokin as you want.The Left can't tolerate wrongthink, it must be squashed and destroyed. People aren't allowed to live or think how they wish.
>>56714102>>56714151>Unironically laughing at inbred nazis>Would defend Islamic arab/african culture where this is the norm
>>56714902>This is LITERALLY Nazi shit.Anon...every country used to do that.The USA would pay criminals to be sterilized. Disabled people were sterilized par the course.Moderate eugenics is fine to stop literal retards breeding. Nowadays they fuck each other and have kids at the age of 14.It's pretty shocking, and people like you are enabling it.
>>56718512>they sprung it on me April 20thYou showed your hand, anon, late into the game I'll give you that, but still. I give you a 4/10 points for derailing the whole thread, minus points for using the same old /pol/shit.Honestly, the real problem with /tg/ is how uncreative our trolls have gotten.
>>56718759It absolutely is. You can live a normal life as a high functioning autist, if you don't live in a literal Nazi cult. And coming to the decision on your own is different from your family marching in goose step on 4/20 and telling you that you're a genetic plague on humanity and shouldn't breed.
>>56708076I live far enough in the boonies that the worst I should receive is some fallout, and even then, that's unlikely unless the bomb is stupid large and the wind fucks us up, which is also unlikely. I'm making a lot of assumptions based on hope that nobody goes nuts around here.Short term plan, work with other survivors for food, establish electricity, clean water, etc. Thankfully we have a community college nearby which has a wealth of nonfiction books on various subjects. Conservative gun-nut hunters are probably a boon to the community at large, between hunting and militia defense. Hopefully nobody radicalizes or becomes raiders; this seems unlikely given the kind of culture around here. There's already a pretty robust farming industry in the area, so that would probably become better established on the as-yet unused land.Long term plan is probably to use the metalshop equipment available to me to make tools and weapons and armor. Mill, lathe, press, welder, etc. Chiefly, the smithy equipment in the shop would be of tremendous value. There's always place in society for a blacksmith.
>>56715963Why would that be?Even something like Tsar Bomba do not displace continental layer. And that won't be deployed, because its basically flying in a cargo container, and dropping it.>>56713602There is ~1000 targets, because large effort is done to priortize where they go.But because missile shields is a thing, as is deployment lag, you need more than 1000 MIRVs to hit 1000 targets.Then again,Thank you very much for the heads up.Will heed advice
>>56708076>What would you do in a real post-apocalyptic scenario?Die horribly.
>>56719226It's reddit spacing, i.e.Starting a new paragraph with each new sentence.Most likely migrants from r/thedonald.
>>56708076raid a museum, steal chainmail armor and a sword