Feathers in vents EditionWarmasters Triumvirate is an attempt at creating yet another 40k AU. The Primarchs have changed, and instead of appointing a single Warmaster upon returning to Terra, the Emperor is critically wounded on Ullanor. In order to make sure the Great Crusade continues, the Warmasters' Triumvirate is put in place. Tensions start running high and this eventually culminates in a civil war between Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Separatists...Docs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEMChapter Constructor: https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/Previous Thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/53874593/To do:>Expand the new XVIIIth legion>Continue work on the Soaring Host>Improve the color schemes and update the roster>Improve Primarch backstories>Finalize the timeline?
>>53940372>>53940552Elsu only has the headdress, along with some feathers on his arms and legs, he doesn't have operable wings.Upon achieving daemonhood he becomes a shapeshifter.
>>53944376That's fair. I wasn't sure how effecrive his wings were, only that he does mention them.Any more word from Napoleon?
>>53944813He's working on more stuff. I'm pretty sure we can expect a big update on his file soon.
>>53944376so pre-deamon Elsu basically looks like a feathered dinosaur?
>>53945770Well, yes. The naturally grown war bonnet does make him an important (religious )figure on his homeworld, as he's seen as some sort of demigod.Once he's taken into the Imperium that flips though. He's treated as a mutant and gets nothing but shit, which eventually drives him straight into Tzeentch's arms. Tragic really.
>>53944330>improve primarch back storiesWho and how so?
>>53947006Nothing serious, some need more work than others. Some just need to be expanded, or rewritten to make more sense or be more grammatically correct. I'm currently in the process of reevaluating Deshain's, along with DeshAnon.
>>53945864Interesting that it seems to go right round. His mutation makes him an important religious figure, then it makes him a mutant, then it makes him an even bigger religious figure, just for a different god.
>>53947179Did you see the suggestion for:That sounds good. Calls for backup and nobody comes, so the sheriff tries to defend a whole bunch of Pacha's or Piter's worlds.They're not particularly well defended, but they've got great infrastructure and luxury accommodations, none of which does Kane any good.Of course, everyone has good reasons for not diverting, and if Kane wasn't trying to be John Wayne, he'd probably evacuate the worlds and sacrifice a bunch of the population to hold a more defensible spot, and yell at whoever conquered those worlds later.But he's not, and he's not in a genre where this is really going to go wellSo the legion is massacred on a few worlds they're trying to defend and the Ork Warboss comes to Alamo where Kane is defending(It goes without saying that the Warboss has a cool cowboy name.)Planet Hadleyville? Nah.Anyways, it's High NoonAnd Kane kills the Warboss in a shootout, which works pretty well, and they clear the orks off the planet. Waaaagh Black Bart is halted, and that's what really mattersBut it's cost the Gunslingers enormouslyKane has flashbacks to Yuma and decides he can't trust anybodyNot the legions who couldn't be bothered to help him (we can work that out later for people he has a particular grudge against)Not for the so-called humanitarians like Pacha and Piter who can't even be bothered to properly defend peopleAnd not the Emperor "beloved by all", who doesn't even validate his struggleKane and the Gunslingers gave everything they had at High Noon and for nothing.From then on Kane bitterly looks out for his own legion.
>>53944330>Indian-looking dude w/ turban and crazy eyesI can get into that. Mustache needs to be bigger tho.>>53948880Can I get a Bogdanoff rundown Little Falcon? This looks to be the same thing we were doing last year.
>>53949429The emperor gets critically injured by Orks during Ullanor. He was planning on choosing a Warmaster after the campaign, but he had narrowed to three.Thinking himself a clever girl, his contingency plan was to have the three declared a Warmaster Triumvirate. They'd balance eachother, see? And by having three, you'd lessen the threat of chaos.Except that doesn't work out so well because each one wants to be in charge and there's not a framework for power sharing. So after some attempts to enforce Nikea go horribly wrong, civil war flares. The result is two empires and a chaos.The Western Imperium is a theocracy with a metal cult and the East is the police state. But an awesome one with an innovative tax policy and mechanicum toys.
>>53949820Awesome. How does the Chaos space work?
>>53949865We've not really gone into it. I'd been assuming that they're in the eye and maelstrom, but I dunno.
>>53950284I think it would make sense for them to have the same territory as in the OU. It's not like the Imperium or Separatists are going to take it from them for one, and I'm not sure they're cohesive enough to hold non-warp storm territory for any meaningful period of time.
We should probably figure out who gets the job of offing Malcador, my vote would probably be Isheko, but not sure what other options we'd have except maybe Marduk himself?
>>53952277Isekho with his venoms, yeah...Maybe Marduk could trick secretly Rokuten to do it. Lure him with power and such...then *BLAM*, Malc is ded, Rokuten gets shit, gets mad, and rejects Marduk
>>53952385Problem with Rotuken doing it is that the seps would probably find out and banish him from thier realm.
>>53952447What if he goes with Chaos at first, and then he falls back to Seps?
>>53952385Well, Malcador IS an obstacle for Rokuten to take the Imperium, but so is every warmaster. Rokuten would possibly snitch on Marduk to affirm his honor read: get brownie points and position as warmaster.>>53952718I was thinking he would stay with the loyalists, then split when some idiot comes forward with "muh chapters".
>>53952780That would only happen post-Brotherwar though. By the time it gets going, I feel like everyone should have ended up on their side.
>>53953307I agree. I'm not entirely sure the Seps would accept Rokuten if he'd fought against them for the entirety of the heresy period. on another note, what happens to the Ogre Legion after Rokuten's assassination attempt/death?
>>53953954Civil war.The Successor Wing intends to split from the Seps for them killing Rokuten. They claim that they are not obligated to remain with the seps because their lord was Rokuten.The Retainer Wing intends to stay with the Seps because Rokuten betrayed Frederick. They claim that since the Warmaster was Rokuten's lord, he is therefore the Ogre Legion's lord.The Retainers win. Boshin War IN SPACE!
Then the Warmaster dies and they have another Civil War due to the Retainers' declining influence and the growth of a new wing, the Spherists, who are an offshoot of the Successors with an emphasis on integrating the Mechanicum read: seizing Mechanicum assets.Ogre Legion politics are a bitch.
Do you think the Separatists retain the use of battle robits?
>>53944330I'd like to write a bit about Emil and the Steel Souls at the First Siege of Terra. Probably the high-water mark of their assault, leading up to the moment where they're forced to retreat. How much have we decided about the First Siege thus far? In particular, who all are defending the Throne area, Emil's primary target (to the exclusion of all else, he goes a little nuts during the Siege).
>>53956293First siege by seps got moved to a neutral planet and happens dorectly after Malcador bites it.
>>53956322Wow. That's a pretty big change. Why was it we decided that?
>>53954830That's debatable. And probably a debate we need to have at some point, since there's a lot attached to "do they have Thallax and shit or not?"On the one hand, the Separatist Mechanicum is going to be more free in regards to how innovative they can get. (which may not always be a positive, the AdMech does what they do for a reason).On the other hand, they don't have Mars, they don't have the "Seat of the Omnissiah", so the unity of the SepMech is going to be unstable at best, unless we spend some effort building a framework for why it's not. (Also all our Navigators are going to be kinda fucked since they won't be able to return to Terra. That's actually going to be a MASSIVE issue now that I think about it. No competing to be Paternova, no access to their familial assets or lore, none of it. Why don't all the Navigators on Separatist ships try to bail out and rejoin the home clan? They already think of themselves as better than the Imperium anyway and they're damn near a galactic power in their own right, what could possibly tie them to the Separatists?)
>>53956429>mechanicum stuffGyahdred is the machine Dalai Lama. He's got the Separatists covered.>NavigatorsDifferent families have rivalries. They may declare neutrality in an astartes quarrel and nobody dares to piss them off. Different clans are loyal to different legions anyways in the OU.
>>53956901So basically, Gyahdred can provide stability, but I'm thinking that there's a number of forges that recognize the legion and Stovokor as sovereign, a number that are independent but are chill, and some crazy weirdos who have nothing to do with them, dealing directly with other legions.
>>53956355A few threads ago, some people were having an issue with why the seps would bother seigeing when they could just Brexit and consolidate thier power.So it was decided that Malcs was going to host a peace treaty between Je'she and Frederick's camps and try get it all back on track, on a neutral planet.Marduk is planning his chaos movement and doesn't want peace to be achieved so has Malcador assassinated. Then lays the blame on both door steps to ensure the civil war happens.
>>53956429>On the other hand, they don't have Mars, they don't have the "Seat of the Omnissiah", so the unity of the SepMech is going to be unstable at best, unless we spend some effort building a framework for why it's not. Instability best ability.>(Also all our Navigators are going to be kinda fucked since they won't be able to return to Terra. That's actually going to be a MASSIVE issue now that I think about it. No competing to be Paternova, no access to their familial assets or lore, none of it. Why don't all the Navigators on Separatist ships try to bail out and rejoin the home clan? They already think of themselves as better than the Imperium anyway and they're damn near a galactic power in their own right, what could possibly tie them to the Separatists?)>Split from main branch>Fight main branch indirectly>Try to become new Paternova>>53956901>Gyahdred is the machine Dalai Lama. He's got the Separatists covered.Depends on the forge world.
>>53956955>>53956901Mmk. Well, that proooobably covers the SepMech, although it seems odd that a Primarch could rise to such heights of influence as to eclipse Mars/the Omnissiah. But, I'm prepared to not worry about it because *something* has to keep the Seps' vehicles working lol. The real issue is the Paternova I think. I don't think fluff was ever intended to account for possibly entire Families getting separated from Terra completely. Even Houses that lose their physical assets completely are still part of that gene-struggle whether they like it or not, right? But I guess if the Navigators actually *do* come and go as they please between Seps and Loyals, sending sons and daughters to either, both or neither side depending on the political winds... If no one tries to crack down on them for it because "Lol get fucked we're Navigators", maybe that's sufficient.
>>53956982Mmk. So what's actually getting sieged/attacked? The neutral planet?
>>53957027>>53957018The idea here is twofold.First off, a lot of forges resent Martian dominance, like Ryza in the OU. So a lot of world's use Gyahdred as an excuse to keep independence.Second, Mars is controlled by heretics and blasphemers.
>>53957135First part works fine. Politics always gonna politic. What makes them "heretics and blasphemers" though?
>>53957200>What makes them "heretics and blasphemers" though?Everyone is heretics.
>>53956982Is it ever established in canon what Malcador thinks of Magnus? I'm trying to decide what if any relationship Emil and Malcador would probably have, and I'm drawing a blank.
>>53944330At some point we probably need a blank Legion template that everyone can start filling in on 1d4chan. Anyone know how to make something like that? It'd help make sure everyone is stylistically on the same page and make it very obvious which Legions have holes in their fluff yet to fix.
>>53957045I believe that Malcador is meant to be the only commonly respected ground left between the seps and the Imperium. So they are signing some kind of agreement to get both factions reunited and working for the same cause again. Things go tits up after Malcs dies. Not sure if it is a siege so much as a straight up brawl with tensions overflowing on both sides. I guess we should discuss which legions from both sides are actually there apart from the 2 warmasters then the Imperial and Seperatist writers can start to fluff it out?
>>53958274Seems reasonable. I still can't quite make up my mind regarding exactly how "separate" the Steel Souls want to be. They could just as plausibly be resentful as fuck about Nikea and utterly horrified by the Imperial Cult as they could be Separatists largely just as an accident/historical quirk of where they were when the Ruinstorm came down...
>>53958412True, though I had been thinking that following the censures Gyahdred's first move had been to protect the remaining psykers. I'd been thinking he'd shuttled to defend Emil and I think he'll send off an additional company or three to Elsu with Distant Thunder.In the case of Distant Thunder's augmented guard, they find that the planet's already been stripped and abandoned or whatever, but Gyahdred tries to fortify Emil's homeworld or whatever unless Emil stops him. This is before the war breaks out properly-- Gyahdred is hoping that having forces from his legion standing by Elsu and Emil will prevent censure, less because they're powerful, but because it'd be much more controversial, if that makes sense.He focusses on Emil because he knows him better and because he trusts Marduk to keep Elsu safe. Ironically, he's right. Marduk does see to Elsu's defense...
>>53959366Nonimat IV's location was never well known outside the Steel Souls Legion, and doubly so post-Nikea when Emil influences the AdMech to actively erase its location from Imperial records. It's best defense is its utter isolation drifting through the void with no companion star. More than likely if Gyahdred were to ask Emil about fortifying the planet, Emil would tell him his forces are better used elsewhere.Gyahdred sending observers to work alongside the Steel Souls would probably be okay though. I don't see any real reason the Legion would object.
>>53959480Alright. So what I'm thinking is that following the disaster in the Librarius, Gyahdred sends out things to Pacha, Lambach, and Emil. Pacha doesn't know, Lambach comes and helps out, starting that friendship, and Emil is reserved but helpful. Gyahdred also observes that Emil is tight with the Emperor and is involved in some sort of secret construction project. (You can't hide logistics patterns on that scale from Gyahdred.)He has no idea what they're for, but figures Emil has info and stuff with the Emperor and sees a likely kindred soul, but as the introvert he is, respects Emil's privacy and maybe sends some guys to do that collaboration we were discussing. Klagri may get his start in some weird stuff this way.So Gyahdred sees Emil as the Imperium's best informed psykers and when the Emperor foes down and people start burning psyker libraries, Gyahdred feels the need to preserve what he considers the Imperium's best hope. It helps that he kind of likes Emil, but this is a matter of long term survival.Every bit Emil let's him in will strengthen the bond because Gyahdred runs largely parallel to Emil.He also trusts Emil because the Emperor trusted Emil.
>>53959709Strictly speaking I haven't written anything regarding Emil and the Astronomicon/Webway Project itself. Largely because I wasn't fully clear on how both of those lore events were going to work in our AU. If you're referring to the Soul Wires, they're not actually secret, they're just Emil stringing up proper "telegraph lines" all across the galaxy instead of just letting the Imperium rely on whatever the fuck buildings and people happen to be available.
>Commanders in the Dusk PhantomsMost of them have advanced knowledge in one or more techno arcana. They also tend to be augmented, servo harness, etc. Call them Forge Captains?There's also Shades, Iron, and Hands of Ruin, who focus on a specific way of war-- ambush, defense, and siege, respectively.They then command forces containing Astartes, mortals, and mechanicum in varying balances.>>53959776Little of both, really.Anyways, Gyahdred has a lot of reasons to support Emil, so how close they are is up to Emil. (Except the fact that they're both secretive introverts who have secrets to keep.)
>>53959709Yeah I'm gonna say Lambach would spend some time with the Dusk Phantoms himself. Observing thier unique "flaws".He'd leave the crusade in the hands of an exasperated Kaden like he always does when something interesting grabs his attention.
>>53948880Yes, I did. We didn't get that far though. We were hashing out the details of his time on his homeworld. I forgot to put in my name btw.>>53949429Kashaln and Raj would surely get along great. Kashaln's chin was never quite as bushy though ;)>>53952277>>53952385Isekho would be the most effective assassin, but there wouldn't be too much doubt about who did it if Malcador's ship is found filled with poisonous gasses. If Chaos wants there to be confusing on both sides, they'd have Malcador get killed in a less specialized way.
>>53960850Maybe Marduk takes care of business in Person than? gives us a chance to set up a cool scene for him to undoubtedly be a bad guy.
>>53961013A risky move, but that might just be enough. The point should really be to have the assault be brutal, but not obviously the handywork of one particular legion.
>>53961150Stabbed in the back by one of his own men?(Obviously working for Marduk)
>>53944330'Ello 'Ello 'Ello what's all this then?
Almost finished but I preent Radcliff Kaden 1st Captain of the Chosen of Hecate. Shame I'll ruin him with my crappy painting skills.
>>53962089Holy fuck, now we're getting a Hektor Heresy reunion too.
>>53961150Hell, Marduk could even stage the whole thing as him coming to help as a peacemaker so Malc lets him in. Then Marduk goes full Arthas to reveal his treachery.
>ShoggothsFirst appearing at the battle of Terra and becoming a mainstay of Leviathan Host front lines for the rest of the Heresy, Shoggoths are one of the most overt symbols of the legions corruption. Marduk had long eschewed the use of heavy armor as it didn't fit his highly mobile style of warfare but realized that to make war against both the Imperium and the Seperatists he would need to bring to bear every piece of his arsenals. Drawing his armored forces from reserves and storage, he had both his heretek genewrights and his Warpriests collaborated to improve and crew them. The result of this diabolical fusion of biology and daemonology is the Shoggoth: a twisted mass of daemon-flesh stuffed inside a Chaos consecrated chassis of a Legion armored vehicle. These horrors were able to pilot the vehicles with a preternatural level of skill, the single minded creature having direct access to all the vehicles functions without the need for communication between crew members or even manual interaction with controls. Worst still was a shoggoth's ability to manifest parts of it's body as close combat weapons from the tank. Lashing psuedopods or clawed tentacles spring forth from ports and hatches, ready to drag enemies towards gnashing mouths. Even if the tank was disabled conventionally, the shoggoth could still drag the hulk forward with it's limbs or operate the treads manually. While originally a creation of the Leviathan Host, the shoggoth creature quickly spread amongst many of the Chaos legions as a means to make their stretched numbers go a little farther. From a rules perspective, a shoggoth is actually an upgrade to an armored vehicle so you can applyit to anything from a Predator to a Sicaran, though the points price would be relative.
>>53965220He doesn't help during the Siege. Marduk is eventually taken out by the remaining loyalist Primarchs piling on top of him. Keep in mind that Marduk doesn't become as strong as Horus does, because he doesn't know about Molech.Killing the Emperor is obviously Chaos main goal. Killing him cripples the Imperium, has a symbolic meaning and gives the Chaos Gods their revenge.
>>53961150Elsu could impersonate another and do the deed
>>53963257It's more likely than you think.
>>53964553Interesting concept (although isn't it basically the same as a Defiler/Soulgrinder?), but please get a different name than Shoggoth. Literally copying names is pretty lame, and will taint all public perceptions of your idea.
>>53967658Eh, I assumed that at this point shoggoth had been used in enough different media for different enough entities that it'd be alright but fair enough. I just detest the "cram a scary adjective and a scary noun together" way of naming Chaos stuff. Also, they're pretty much defiler tanks but instead of summoning a demon directly you half finish a bunch of clones and pour the semi-conscious slurry into a tank then summon daemons to possess it. I'd assume that would make it easier, because daemons prefer inhabiting living bodies but idk. Plus actual daemon engines are more a Forge Lords thing.
>>53967753Just make up a name like "Gal Vorbak" or whatever. It's very easy to do, and you can tune it as you please regarding scary/scary combos. Call it the Turghmata or the Fexarab or the Wolbrian Crusher or something. Make a reference to the planet name it was first built on, or the first Marine who summoned one of them. Then you can even tie it deeper into your lore. Don't just grab the most generic Lovecraft thing in the world, lol. Cultural references lead only, and inevitably, to weak writing. You deserve better than that, surely.
>>53967658>>53967753>>53964553I think it's a hell of a lot cooler than a Soulgrinder. It basically looks like a rhino until it gets close and them it gets all tentacly. It's like a demonic hermit crab.
>>53964553Great concept bro! But I agree with the others, change the name to something more related to you.
>>53967791I mean, most of my other names are just pillaged straight from mythology or history. But you have a point. I'll think on what else to call them. Also slow day. Rough.
>>53964553Sounds good, man! The kind of horrid abominable shit you'd expect Chaos to do.>>53970143Totally. Real shame. I'm gonna be around for quite a bit though.
>>53970180I feel like we may have run up against a wall, given we've mostly go the overall timeline sketched out but really just need everything to be fluffed out and to incorporate the new factions. I'll see if I can't find time to write something, maybe the Siege of Terra, later this weekend now that I finally am not busy.
>>53958274Ok, I've been thinking about that event for a bit. I think Emil's going to be there in person, accompanied by a modest honor guard of Steel Souls Marines. He's not going to really understand why he's there, only that some premonition makes him feel like it'd be a good idea. Emil respects Malcador, and he suspects this meeting may eventually evolve into some sort of Nikea 2.0 (Though he is of course mistaken because it never gets anywhere near that far), so his voice might be requested. Were the Gods not leaning on all the psykers to blunt their skills (Clouded my mind, Darth Sidious has...), perhaps Emil could have helped unravel what was about to transpire, but in that time/place he is unusually without options. There's probably a moment when Emil could plausibly escape the battle with either side, and this is when he ultimately chooses the Seps. (Should the Loyalist/Separatist/Chaos Warmasters wish to write some fluff regarding their last-ditch attempts to make Emil choose, that could be interesting)>>53959974>>53959709Emil going Sep may also be because he's friends with Gyahdred more than the other Primarchs, if they've made inroads together by this point. Emil values "Family" above almost all else. But if one part of the family is betraying their Father's chief ideal, another part is sticking Daemons up their asses, and the third is still extending the hand of friendship... The choice is much clearer. Thoughts?>>53970143It's cool, no rush.
>>53964553Also I just now looked closely at that image. That's fucking sweet, dude. Really helps sell the concept.
I'm just lurking, without contributing much. Sorry. Linares would go to the meeting. Family reunions are always a good thing, and this one is special because seps. He would attend, surely.
>>53970708Well, everyone would consider it important, and we can't very well have 14 Primarch stomping around. I think that Malcador would basically ask that only those that show up with a diplomatic attitude are welcome... and I don't think Linares really fits that bill.
>>53970708>I'm just lurking, without contributing much. Sorry.Yeah, shame on you, person who is like me!
>>53970781>I think that Malcador would basically ask that only those that show up with a diplomatic attitude are welcomeDiplomatic, you say.
Can I get a rundown of this AU and what's different?
>>53970970There's a third not-as-heretical-but-still-bad-guys faction.
>>53944330More, more writing. It is never enough. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h8ei8vPghWGX4QWraisHmE0YJrYI4QigRCKmciUZrHo/edit?usp=sharingPlace your bets folks, [Emil Vs. the Ruinstorm], the hot-ticket item at the top of tonight's listings!Thoughts always welcome, as usual.
>>53971078(Also, this is the literal moment when the "Stormbreaker" title that will someday be passed to the Legion's very finest warriors sees its origin. I didn't even make that connection until I was done writing the story, lol. Clearly the Emperor guides my writing or something, because it makes perfect sense now...)
>>53971020But are they the Imperials or the Seps?
>>53971558Loyalists are pretty similar to the canon Imperium.Traitors ARE MAXIMUM HERESY.Separatists are not quite as much HERESY, but still are on the same level as Secessionists, which is still basically "Kill On Sight" 98% of the time.
>>53970816Yes. Malcador would call for this meeting to be an entirely diplomatic affair, not one of warfare.
>>53971647You can count on Rokuten to be going then.
>>53971683And there goes Rokuten again, trying to be funny and/or edgy. Cool.
>>53971734But seriously, he'll be there. Not to kill anybody though, because you can't just go killing other people who are trying to make peace.
>>53970781Well, maybe. But he may be a reasonable person under certain circumstances, so he could pop up, listen and say something, or just stay behind and watch. Just in case someone tries something stupid.
>>53971558The Seps are like Pre-Heresy Imperium, while the Terrans are canon Imperium.>>53970143>>53970180>>53970226Here's a framework for what the XVth is up to, also things I'd like input on, and to see versions of for other legions.>Selected Campaigns of the Dusk Phantoms During the Early Heresy.>Elcoa Muster Assault-Following the Assasination of Malcador, Gyahdred infiltrates the Elcoa Muster with Nosferatii onboard transport ships-Near the entire XVth legion fleet quietly tranlates into the Elcoa system, powered down as 'cold ships'.-At the prearanged time, the Nosferatii sabotage various facilities in orbit and on the surface and the cold ships power up. The first target is communications.-Caught by surprise, the Death's Heads suffer heavy casualties. Without their central chain of command, the legion behaves unpredictably, some ships continuing to carry out orders, others in what seems to be an omnicidal rage.-Einchurt spends the battle seeking out Gyahdred to fight him in person, but, wishing to keep the DH viable for after the Civil War is won, Gyahdred avoids him.-With much of the surface in ruins, and most of the survivors of the DH in secure bunkers or on starships, Gyahdred judges the damage inflicted sufficient to prevent large scale legion operations for several years and departs for his next objective.-In this analysis, he is correct. He does not consider, however, the behavior of the shattered Death's Head's Legion.>Harrowing of Yozhin-Gyahdred terrorizes outlying systems, creating a massive refugee population, resulting in overcrowding across Yochin's fortresses.-Several major sieges...>Battle of Grethor>>53970418>Gyahdred and Emil's friendship influencing Emil to choose the True ImperiumMakes sense to me. We can do up a pre-heresy/pre-Ulanor joint campaign if you'd like. But yeah, Gyahdred's stance on Emil's stuff as vital for the Imperium seems like a very strong incentive to join that faction.
>>53971875From what I know of 'em, the delegations should be:>LoyalistJe'SheYochinRaj>SeperatistEmilGyahdredFrederickThe rest should be off fighting battles against the opposing factions, trying to gain as much territory in order to strengthen their positions of negotiations.
>>53972018>Fighting battles versus other factionsSeems a little premature, given that this event is supposed to be the *beginning* of open warfare, right?Also like I said before, Emil's not going to be there with a large force of soldiers. If anything he'd be there as much as an observer/maybe wanting to help Malcador as anything else.That said, if the group deems it necessary I can have Emil bring a stronger detail, it's just that neither Gyahdred nor Emil strike me as particularly "active" supporters among Fredrick's possible options. Maybe not Frederick's best choice in that scenario?
>>53972086Pretty sure its already been quite hostile at this point, These are peace negotiations, aren't they? Even then, it seems best for Frederick to take his more objective and logical brothers with him.
>>53971977Aaight, riddle me this then. Where all are the XVth moving around, more or less? The Steel Souls are going to primarily move out along the Galaxy's Centaurus and Cygnus Arms, with maaaybe some involvement along Sagittarius, but I'm not sure how thin a Legion can be spread.
>>53971977>Harrowing of Yozhin cont.-Several major sieges-Some running battles with the defenders of the sector-Planets are left in a state as to render them indefensible without much repair work.-Makes for Yozhin-Yochin returns just in time-The terrified masses are now an asset (after having served to topple many a fortress)-Food is running out, but Yochin does his whole rock-opera thing and launches a major offensive-Pushes back the XVth-Something happens, unclear what at the moment, but it results in the withdrawal of the XVth towards the East.Might be news of a third front opening up? Might be Distant Thunder and company showing up with information implying something seriously weird is going on-- Thashunke in ruins, no reason why, not Imperial forces that did it, either.It could also be that Yochin repulses the assault on Yozhin, but doesn't have the resources to make this an offensive, so Gyahdred withdraws to prepare another push, but gets distracted by other things, like a garbled recall order.>Important Stuff Before GrethorPick up Distant Thunder and company--Oh shit, something spoopy is going downPick up Tijo and company--Oh shit, 2 spoopy 4 me!Lambach requests a meeting--Ah fuck. Alright boys, let's do this and hopefully buy some time for Terra to fortify before the storm hits>Battle of Grethor--Lambach and Gyahdred set up a meeting on the small moon Grethor.--Warned by Tijo and co, a trap is set and the legion is on the look out for witchery.--The XVth deploys as they would against a world of rogue sorcerors, portable gellar fields are readied, Sisters of Silence cohorts are ready, etc etc.--SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKERS ISTVAAN 5 TIME--Exterminatus class weaponry is used--The XVth takes losses, but believes the Chosen all but exterminated.--Little do they know that the Dead of Grethor will return.
>>53972154>>53971977>Gee Emil, wouldn't it be nice if you actually posted the relevant image?>Why yes, yes it would.
>>53972154When? I'm thinking that between Malcador's assassination and the Ruinstorm, they're mostly operating as a single battlegroup, with maniples of reductor battalions doing their own thing.They're more or less attempting a Schlieffen Plan to end the war as quickly as possible.
>>53972219I was talking about during the Crusade, in reference to "We can do up a pre-heresy/pre-Ulanor joint campaign if you'd like".
>>53972291Ah, I'd not considered that yet. I know they're up in the North/North East for the Three Rangdan Xenocides.
>>53972162Grethor sounds like a blast.Basicaly Lambach is confidant that when he tells Gyhadred what he and Marduk are planning then Gyhadred will surely join him. Something like "No longer having to hide the Elver curse" it may even give Gyhadred pause to think for a time. Lambach has a plan to spring a trap if that doesn't work.Lambach has no idea what has happened with Tijo though and doesn't expect to be countered.For all his confidence and carefully laid plans things rarely seem to go well for the Master of Undeath.
Eldar Craftworld:>Craftworld VeanshideThe Eldar of Craftworld Tovaluk consider themselves and their whole species to be already dead. The Eldar died in the Fall. What remains are simply ghosts haunting a cold, uncaring galaxy.The Ghosts of the Eldar, as they call themselves, hate chaos and seek revenge by any means.Due to their psychic gestalt, the Eldar of this Craftworld, and indeed the Craftworld itself are partially incorporeal and are of muted colors.Their craftworld still plies the stars, but seldom interacts with other Eldar. Those who do visit, find the world near silent, the inhabitants going through the motions of daily life, not noticing their guest except for the priests of Ynnead. Should an Eldar join their strange dances and partake in their feasts, they will find centuries have passed.When the Veanshide go to war, they do so near silently, surrounded by the whispers of the dead.They field massive amounts of Wraith units, naturally enough, but also Dark Reapers, Shadow Spectres, and Banshees. More lively aspects, such as Swooping Hawks, or Scorpions are never seen.Not 100% on the name, but it's some sort of ghostly entity, as fitting for the Eldar version of the Legion of the Damned/Flying Dutchman.>>53972682Hell yeah. That offer would give Gyahdred pause. And likely were it not for Tijo's warning and the strange things reported by Distant Thunder, he'd have gone for it.I'm thinking, among other things, of having a massive dreadnought gangbang on Grethor. A very confused and tight naval battle in orbit as both traps go off. Both prepared for traps, but that doesn't help much as pods with dreads go crashing into your ships and the like.
>>53973505I'm thinking after having Raj blow off is leg Mendel will probably be in a Dread by this point.the CoH Libarium is greatly weakened by this point too, basically it takes almost all of them to use the raise dead spell. Which Tijo or 1 of the loyal CoH would have told Gyhadred about.
>>53973505>SileldaniiFirst thing that came to mind. Nonsense that sounds nice.
Alright, so I'm gonna write Marduk dying this weekend. Who do we think should kill him? More than one guy at once, but which two or three?
>>53974503Where/when does he die?
>>53974559At the end of the Siege of Terra, probably during the final push on the Emperor's Palace. Shortly after the Chaos forces start to break down, Marduk decides he has one chance to kill the Emperor and be done with this and he tries to take it. Ends up getting ambushed/confronted while inside the palace. Maybe in Throne Room for dramatic effect.
>>53974592Well if nothing else, there's like a 95% chance every Custodes in existence will be involved, so probably start there.
>>53974592>Maybe in Throne Room for dramatic effect.Imagine it. Marduk singlemindedly barreling for the throne as primarchs and Custodes pile on top of him, stabbing him until he collapses from a level of trauma even a primarch blessed by the Gods cannot withstand. Who dealt the killing blow? Nobody knows.
>>53974713Ore wa Rokuten.
>>53974713I like it, with Marduk finally succumbing nearly at the top of the steps to the throne, and his cleaver clattering to the floor at the Emperor's feet. A very symbolic defeat for Chaos. >>53974716Rokuten is a dirty Sep, he ain't even at Terra when the Chaos shit goes down.
>>53973678Oh, perfect, which means that Gyahdred doesn't have to worry about psykers detecting his bullshit. Awesome.>>53974713I see what you're going for, but as it is now, it just makes me laugh. One of those cartoon dogpiles.>>53974825Yeah, I like that ending.
>>53974866>I see what you're going for, but as it is now, it just makes me laugh. One of those cartoon dogpiles.Okay, just the primarchs then.
>>53974825>>53974866Let's make it even better. He's about to make it to the throne, but from the pile both Linares and Pacha grab one of his legs each.
>>53975025It seems kinda goofy for superbeing like Primarchs to be rolling around on the ground wrestling, but I actually like it. It's an interesting juxtaposition of the insane scale of the Heresy. Ships the size of cities blowing up, billions dying, Titans punching each other in the face, and the one of the most important acts is so decidedly mundane and personal.
In other thoughts, Disciples Stuff.Some dudes:>Son AtartikaHas a massive blade named Fullmoon.>Stratov AryasI actually don't listen to that much Stratovarius, so you'll have to come up with something for him.>Hansen KhanMore of a brooding figure. Leads a sect called the Ghost Opera, which has lots of cultists singing for forgiveness. And killer guitar riffs.>The Blind GuardianA mysterious dreadnought who guards the fortress-monastery.>Turunen MalmsteenEarly and important figure known for his virtuosic performances and complex compositions, as well as for his prowess on the battlefield.>>53974882That or the opening of Tropic Thunder.
>>53975071>>53975025No pile though. Something like a Melee forms at the bottom of the steps between Custodes with the Loyalist Primarchs and Marduk with daemon possessed Hyksos. After Marduk get's wounded fighting both Primarchs, some of his honor guard step in to distract them while Marduk makes a break up the steps. He's bleeding out already and he's slowing as he runs. The two Primarchs kill their opponents as the last of the Hyksos fall and make chase after Marduk. Custodes are shooting at him but also trying to not hit the golden throne so takes a shot or two but they stop firing as he gets closer. The Primarchs gain on him but Marduk is only steps away from the Emperor. They both manage to catch up though and each tackles a leg. Marduk collapse on the final steps, his blade landing literally inches from the Emperor. Marduk rolls onto his back, laughs for a moment, maybe says something about how Chaos has already won/he did the only thing he set out to do, then gets stabbed through the heart by Linares and gets his head crushed by Pacha.
>>53975161Actually, that's a little edgy. I'll work on it.
>>53975071Actually, yeah. That kind of works. Marduk ends up getting choked-- that's the most personal death I can think of.(Suddenly Cheryl makes a lot more sense.)>>53975122Notable Starships:>The Hammerfall>The Nightwish>The Falconer>The DarkmoorI'm thinking the noise marines are definitely wielding stringed instruments. Some sort of auto-lute, with massive back-mounted amplification coils leading to a focussed emitter on the front of the Strato-Caster.There's also a larger version, the Eurythmic, which is vehicle or dreadnought mounted.There's a small armory of Fury-Road style drum trucks, but that's mostly to inspire the cultists.I'd give them jetbike lancers because that's the most power metal thing I can think of, but the Angels of Avalon and the Soaring Host already have them (because Knights and everything that flies, respectively).
>>53975161>>53975179Yeah, cause seriously, there's going to be roughly a thousand Custodes in the way, presumably including Constantine Valdor who's probably close to Primarch-tier himself. Marduk's gonna be juiced, but it wouldn't take much added to that opposition to make his death not very dramatic at all, but rather more like a bug on a windshield.
>>53975209>Eurytmos>Urythmia>Castrus Stratoriam>Maulstrike>Umbral DesireRip less things, feel the power, embrace your writing skills, obfuscate references more thoroughly. :P
>>53975269The canon story has the final fight of Terra conveniently happening on board the Vengeful Spirit, which is why the Custodes seem to just be standing around in the back there. I'd rather not have this fight also happen on the Arch-Traitors flagship. You can't have it just be out in the field though. Then there's not enough DRAMA and SYMBOLISM. So idk. Maybe a diversion of some kind. Maybe Marduk actually comes through the portal under the throne? Though I don't remember what we decided about that. Though, maybe I could work with it being just out front of the palace.
>>53975360Portal doesn't exist, Emps dies too soon for that. However, if you want a very dramatic fight and a bunch of dead cultists and a Chaos Primarch who's clearly unhinged as fuck, have him crash his flagship into the palace. It's a neat twist on the Vengeful Spirit. "If you will not come to me, Father, THEN I SHALL GO TO YOU!!!"[DESTRUCTION INTENSIFIES]Cue a running fight through what's left of the ship and that sector of the Palace, crawling through exploding components and watching the Loyalists try to scrape a defense together on the fly while Marduk YOLOs his way through everything. Eventually the beast is brought down by ______ in a fight that doesn't really involve the Custodes (Although it would be cool for Constantin to make an appearance of some significance), and the day is "saved".Except there's half a Gloriana fused with the Palace, lol.
>>53975360Cause keep in mind, the Emperor is on the Throne during this Siege, he's no longer an active participant. This is going to be a "_________ Loyalist Primarchs defend the Throne Room" fight, not an "Emps V Horus" fight.
>>53975464That actually works really well. I'll have to remove the part about Marduk's Gloriana becoming a full blown living daemonship, but I can definitely live with that if it's used as a battering ram to knock down the gate of the Imperial Palace. Reminds me of this actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVwr7WBk4Constantin could face off with Marduk's two equerries, but I don't see them surviving that and I kinda wanted them to become honor-guards of Marduk's successor. >>53975518I suppose, but I still like it needs to be within a close enough distance of the Emperor for there to be a certain amount of dramatic tension about the whole thing. It's a set piece. It's gotta happen somewhere grand and important to the narrative. Though, once you crash a Gloriana into something, the whole place becomes a set piece. So I cede that point.
>>53975581This video does not exist.
>>53975602https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXVwr7WBk4ACut the last letter off with the spoiler by accident.
>>53975581Indeed, it's hard to make a more dramatic statement than knocking on someone's door with a 10 kilometer long fist.
At some point I should collaborate with the separatists on Mot's campaign in the east.
>>53975581Isn't that a little... Big?Two words: Possessed Psi-titan. Remove blank princeps, install daemon engine. Power of a dozen psykers combined with blasphemous energies to make a machine that matches three Emperor titans.
>>53975646I still have hours left in the night if you want.
>>53975464>>53975518FROM HELL'S HEART I STAB AT THEEMarduk accomplishes what Faustus tried to.I think it gets him nicely into the chamber and gets us a nice, dramatic scene. Still say we strangle him.>>53975617Ah, I was thinking Star Trek Nemesis, with Picard and other Picard.>>53975322Yeah. Fair.>Early Heresy Stuff for Yochin and Co.So if Yochin is at the peace negotiations, what does he do afterwards? I could see him:>Attacking EmilBecause he's a filthy psyker. And clearly to blame.>Attacking FrederickBecause he's a filthy traitor. And clearly to blame.>Going on an offensive/moving to form a battle lineIt's part of Je'She's strategy. He could then end up fighting anybody. What do people think?He just can't go fight Gyahdred yet, since he's got places to be.I think it's best if the delegates just show up with their flagships or what have you and have to get their legions before fighting ensues, allowing Gyahdred to slip away and assault Elcoa.>>53975749>>53975646>>53975742Most def.What's Mot's strategy look like?
>>53975790>What's Mot's strategy look like?Prolong the war as long as possible to bleed the seps dry, while also obfuscating who exactly is under his command to sow confusion. This might take the form of activating the various forge worlds that have sworn allegiance to him and having them fuck shit up on worlds nearby and perhaps giving the illusion that there is no central command structure. In a phrase, galactic scale guerilla warfare.
>>53975863Rokuten's gonna hate this.
>>53975863Sounds good.I think the defenders would naturally target the forgeworlds (eventually) and we could have a series of sieges at forgeworlds. Depending on how Frederick does these things, we could have each legion attacking some forgeworlds or we could have single legion (probably the XVth) sent to take care of things.Is Mot holding off on legion assets until later? What about the Gorgomongers?
>>53975915Gorgomongers are Rokuten's thing and aren't affiliated with the Forge Lords. He'd use his legion to break the sieges at the various forge worlds and perhaps to make lightning strikes at separatist capital worlds (that is their job after all).
>>53975790We can certainly brew up a Yochin Vs Emil fight. Emil can't be isolated all the time just because I'm bad at writing stories involving creations not my own.
>>53975698The Imperial Palace is supposed to cover a significant amount of Asia, and all of the Himalayas. It's easily big enough that even crashing a twenty kilometer Gloriana into it is only gonna cause substantial damage, rather than ridiculous damage.
>>53975915>What about the Gorgomongers?Gorgomongers are willing to join, but not willing to cooperate. They are guaranteed to fly into the battle immediately and possibly even obstruct Mot.In this era, I should note, a single gorgomonger named Orgasmo has managed to beat, coerce, and seduce his way into dominance over the entire race, and he rules the Brow as the Grand Gorger. The entire race is in this fight.
>>53975998Cool.So for now let's say that Yochin grabs his dudes and sets off after the witch.What does Emil do? Are there any worlds that Yochin would know of that are important to Emil and his legion that are nearby?>>53976055>Orgasmo...Really? What are they, chaos orks?
>>53976055>OrgasmoIs that your final answer?
>>53976158>...Really? What are they, chaos orks?Like if orks, dark eldar, ogres, elephant seals, and Chads had a massive orgy and left the resulting offspring in the care of Rob Zombie. I want them to be one of the most repulsive races in the galaxy.>>53976205Yes.
>>53976158Hmm. Nothing directly important to Emil himself, since the Legion doesn't have a dedicated recruitment world (They basically graze across the Galaxy). There might be some Soul Wire worlds to break, but those are as useful to the Imperium as the Seps. It'd be very low-reward to attack them since it's basically just a bunker with some Astropaths, There might also be some Steel Road worlds, but Emil set those up as favors to Mars, not out of personal attachment. They are at least more important though and might force Emil to defend them out of necessity.
>>53976243That sounds cringy as all holy fuck, but hey. You might surprise us all.
>>53976442What is there to surprise you with? They're edgelords through and through, like Anarchist LARPers crossed with armchair hedonists.
>>53976482Eventually there is reached a critical mass of derp beyond which it would be better to simply not put words to paper. Seems like you're intentionally running this xeno race as close to that line as possible, if not over. I don't think it's going to make for interesting writing, but in that you might surprise us.
Who wants to kill Orgasmo who has been renamed Zardoz?>>53976521Just think of them as fat dark eldar who do bad shit to be closer to Chaos rather than further from.
>>53976575How do they not just instantly explode into Spawn?
>>53976644They do good deeds for the Gods. Like, really good deeds. But enough about the gorgomongers' edginess, Mot has plans for the Seps.Betrayal! As the second wave of traitors rocks the Imperium, forge worlds in Separatist space denounce Warmaster Aristide. Is it discontent with the separatist cause? Is it regret over leaving the patronage of the Mechanicum? No, it is a plot by the primarch Mot Hadad, who planted the seeds of rebellion in his Crusade warpath! As forge worlds rise up the Forge Lords sail East to face the reeling Separatists. Where the Dragoons and their brother legions go to quell Mechanicum insurgency the Forge Lords are sure to follow, breaking whatever siege the Separatists lay.Xenos!From the Eye of Terror come the grotesque Gorgomongers, a bestial race of slavers aligned with the perfidious primarch. With the legions preoccupied with finding the Forge Lords and their thralls, warhordes are free to rampage on innocent worlds and rape the segmentum. With foul xenos and rogue Astartes burning their way to the Eastern Fringe, how will the Warmaster protect the revolution from such unexpected disaster?
>>53976305Ok, then he either gets on Emil's trail and is hunting him down like the witch he is, or goes and attacks a Steel Road world, hoping to draw out Emil.>>53976893Might also help if Marduk assigns a few daemonologists to the campaigns to summon daemon armies. That'd give them extra forces.(I think this also gives a good reason why the Forges hang with the seps after the war.)I figure Aristide comes up with a sound plan and assigns different forces to different tasks:>PiterRally the mortals and defend the motherland!>EmilAdvise the legions in Aetheric threats and hunt down those witch kabals!>ValornTrack down Mot and bring me his head!>ZelbezisTake a front. Not one step backwards!>FrederickEn Avant! I'll take the other front.>GyahdredGo handle the beep boops. You speak their language.>Rokuten...You... you just do your thing, buddy. We both know that you're not going to follow any orders I give you and are just going to hunt the biggest and meanest thing you can find. So... just do that.
>>53977725>...You... you just do your thing, buddy. We both know that you're not going to follow any orders I give you and are just going to hunt the biggest and meanest thing you can find. So... just do that.So what you're saying is I have carte blanche to act as I see fit to defeat the invaders and ensure a stronger union? ... Okay!Warriors! Face the beasts of the Brow! Bring me the head of their chief! Burakinu, take your clan and remove the unfaithful!...Burakinu?SINDRIIIIFrederick, I'm not doing shit else until I have Burakinu's head on a platter. Why? For the honor of the legion of course!
>>53977971We'll have to run it by Aristide and the rest of the anons, of course, but I think that given that Aristide is supposed to be BEST LEADER and a good judge of character, he'd recognize that trying to order Rokuten is a lost cause and that letting Rokuten be Rokuten is probably the most effective use of him and his legion.Worst/Best case, he gets killed.Rokuten honestly seems pretty fun.If you've not already done so, I think it would be neat for him to have a trio of advisors/high ranking generals:HidenagaTokuyoshiNobugawaor something similarly scrambled.(If any of his sons fall to Slaneesh, I nominate Shining Gensaki Muruji.)
>>53978092>If you've not already done so, I think it would be neat for him to have a trio of advisors/high ranking generals:>Hidenaga>Tokuyoshi>Nobugawa>or something similarly scrambled.Nah, I'll stick with one thank you.>(If any of his sons fall to Slaneesh, I nominate Shining Gensaki Muruji.)Too honorable for that shit.
>>53978118But muh Sengoku Jidai triumvirate!Anyways, was thinking it would be funny if after Rokuten dies, there's a little succession war.Likely there's a lot of splintering of clans, but a little competition for the title of Shogun might be fun.
>>53978118>>53978214Also Oda Nobunaga would make a perfect Ogre.Tokugawa might actually get another legion, though. He strikes me as waaay more patient than the average Ogre, but that may just be Rokuten.
>>53978214>Anyways, was thinking it would be funny if after Rokuten dies, there's a little succession war.>Likely there's a lot of splintering of clans, but a little competition for the title of Shogun might be fun.There is, sort of. >>53954058>>53954147
>Strong BearThe Legionary known as Strong Bear is something of a running joke in the crusade era Soaring Host.While misunderstandingsand misconceptions exist for all legions and their homeworlds (and many worlds in the Imperium: see planet Wolf 359 for a particularly egregious example.) The Imperium at large never truly understood the Soaring Host.Visits to Legion homeworlds are rare, for most are feral worlds and this fact, in combination with the introverted and secretive demeanor of Elsu lead to much confusion where the legion and its customs are concerned.In particular, names were a source of confusion for early translators and while many languages have names with literal meanings, the initial translators insisted on rendering these names literally, hence why Elsu was initially known as Raven.Strong Bear was simply a bad translation of a commendation, akin to the Crimson Heart in the Imperial Army.Thus were born the first tales of the valorous Strong Bear.As the crusade continued, the legion came to realize what had happened. Confused remembrancers were told they'd just missed him, but often given second hand tall tales of his exploits.These volumes, poorly translated and mixed with a large amount of misguided romanticism, principally authored by Lexographer and Remembrancer Winnetou Mai (who seldom actually left the Sol System) became wildly popular.Winnetou Mai's Strong Bear saga depicted the legion as heroic feral worlders in touch with simple truths that the urban imperium had forgotten. Similar treatments described the Sentinels, Mastodonii, and other legions thusly, but Mai defined the genre. After the Heresy, his works were rewritten with other legions as the stars, giving Strong Bear new life.>>53978242Ah, carry on then.
>>53978887>Cross Reference: Wolf 359A feral world north of Terra, the planet Wolf is of little import beyond its tithe in hardy soldiers. The 359th system visited by the fleet, the planet's name is a mistranslation. The world is named for a Cthonic deity, in this case one that took the form of a wolf. This colored other mistranslations and soon it was believed that the Werewolf regiments fought with frostfangs, called their commissars wolf lords, their companies packs, and met in dens. In fact only the first group sampled had a wolf totem, the long knives were simply called iron blades (a word shared with wolves' teeth), and the other terms were similar misunderstandings, Commisars being "Alphas", companies cohorts, and dens simply hearths.
Rokuten, it just occurred to me. GWAR. Use GWAR names for the Gorgomongers.
1/2 way done.
>>53980301Looks pretty sweet dude
Quick weekend bump
In the middle of nowhere, establishing command hierarchy and important figures of the Iron Guard.
>>53982882I need to work more on important characters for the Death's Heads...
>>53982882Same with Titan Marchers.Here's something to consider: Chapter Founders. Characters that perform great feats during the Brotherwar and get their own chapter after the Codex is written. Think Sigismund and Alexis Polux.
>>53983300That's me by the way. Phone keeps deleting my name.
Since Mot is such a pain to work with, should his campaign in the east basically be a suicide mission to get rid of him before he can become a nuisance to Marduk?
>>53984228Like I said, I imagine Marduk dumping all the traitors from Loyalist and Sep legions with Mot.
>>53983166Likewise for the Leviathans.And I really, really, need to pin down who replaces Marduk when he dies.
>>53986846Too busy moderating my Discord porn server for that shit.
>>53982882Alright. I need to do that.>Praetor YormundThe old legion master. He held the keys to the archaeotech vaults and was trained by the Terrawatt clan during the wars of unification.He's capable and lays siege to shit. He's given a company sized guard, an ark mechanicum, and sent off to administer war zones as the original Reductor Battallion.Logic here is that his skills will be much more valuable in supreme command of his own expeditionary fleet. Gyahdred values his opinion and has him lead a speartip during the Heresy campaigns.He's sort of like a Marius Gague.>Walletsau TsepeshThe head of the Nosferatii.Before the Elver, he was chief Moriat. He's now quite insane, a nightlords grade psycho. He is, however, the best at what he does and Gyahdred keeps him on a tight leash when not on campaign.In person, he's quiet, almost charming.
>>53983300Are the Seps splitting into Chapters? I know the Steel Souls would *strongly* resist such a thing at least.
>>53984228Sounds pretty funny.>>53985312Sounds like Chaos' version of the Grey Knights. Except with absolutely apocalyptically abysmal teamwork. Which sounds amusing as hell.
>>53988366Exactly. It'd allow for several interesting characters.>>53988293Not sure, from what I've heard, probably not. Makes for a nice distinction between Loyalists and Seperatists.I understand why people are against splitting their legion because it makes more sense strategically, especially if the Primarch is around, but the unique cultures and nichès Successor Chapters bring to the table are worth it narratively. That's my opinion anyway.
>>53988542Yeah, mostly I say the Souls wouldn't want to go Chapter-mode because they're linked a little more fundamentally than most Legions. Splitting up would be a severe hit to them, culturally as well as logistically. It is true though that moving around in groups of 10,000 or whatever is hard to write for. I'll have to do some thinking on the matter. If Fredrick or one of the other Sep Primarchs happens to really push the Chapter idea, that might be a good point of interaction between them and Emil.
>>53988542Rokuten makes a big deal about the legion sticking together, but clan differences result in the chain of command loosening to just above what chapters have.
>>53988640>>53988599When I say 'chapters', I don't necessarily mean '1000 men strong Codex adherant groups'.
>>53988805Oh, my mistake. What did you mean then?
>>53988293>>53988599As I've mentioned before, the XVth has two kinds of pseudo-chapter-- Dzongkha, which are like watch fortresses, and reductor battalions, which run around providing expertise to different campaings.I think Frederick is likely to keep a unified command structure for the entire domain, particularly if >>53977725 is how he handles the heresy.Less chapters and more like an integrated command where each legion is given a region or a task to do. Frederick is building an imperial nation state instead of a feudal empire.
>>53988857Just other, smaller groups that have split off from the legion for whatever. 10,000 big, 100 big, doesn't really matter. Just Astartes factions that aren't directly part of the parent legion. Otherwise, the Seps end up with a set group of 7 types of Astartes, special units or not. Allowing for more Astartes groups, leads to more story options.
>Ernst GanswindtOne of the earliest members of the VIth Legion, Ernst is Terran-born and served in some of the VIth Legion's earliest known campaigns. Once reunited with his gene-sire, at this point having achieved the position of Chapter Master, he quickly became steadfastly loyal, and has since been one of the few constant members of the Oberwaffekommande. Ganswindt has earned a reputation as a cold mirror of Einchurt, hardened by centuries of unrelenting, horrific warfare. While during the Crusade Ernst was often at his Primarch's side, when the Brotherwar began he was found wanting from the Elcoa Muster, not yet present from his campaigns in the Ghoul Stars. He and his VIIIth Chapter, Grossmarkchia, were forced to fight a guerilla campaign against their former allies that cost them much. Most famously, the VIIIth Chapter fought the Battle of Morax against forces of the Separatist XVth and Traitor XXth Legions, where Ernst was near-fatally wounded in the DH's retreat to the Mandeville Point, their ram-shackle fleet desperately translating into the Warp with both Legions on their heels.Ernst Ganswindt was put into stasis after this, and later was transferred into a Contemptor-Pattern chasis. Ernst would receive the title of Reichsmarshall prior to Einchurt's disappearance, and after the split of the VI Legion into Centurios, would go on to the lead the Death's Heads Centurio, mainting his Gene-sire's name and colors.
>>53944330Wrote some shit, and it includes a new Steel Souls character who's having a hard time deciding if Emil's full of wisdom or bullshit. :Dhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/16PO4cHlJ1uwyUIhZ5vQQVq5sYTcZwle3bs2vIyDLWQA/edit?usp=sharingLemme know what you all think.
>>53990912Just read it, your really good man. Dionil could easily be a character you can use for any conflicts within the Steel Souls I think.
>>53991064Sweet, glad you liked it.
>>53991155>>53991064I can only pray I even get that far. Just looking back at what's already been written in all those little short passages I've been making, I'm already up to like.... twenty something pages of fluff, lol.And it's not even remotely painted a full picture of the Legion and its history yet. If I really want to do this properly, I have soooooo much farther to go. >sweats audibly
>>53991224haha, I think we are doing well, we are in no real rush to get EVERY single bit of fluff in place. Even GW has been failing at doing that for 30 odd years.I was just saying in discord that you write so well it makes me self conscious about my own writing and now I'm re-going over the stuff I wrote for Tijo's escape and it all seems horribly ham fisted by comparison. lol
>>53987596>Bardo ChoskyongGyahdred's Equerry. Choskyong was one of several children gifted to the legion by the Magi of Stovokor. All were successful in the legion, but Choskyong in particular had an aptitude for command and management that made him an asset to Gyahdred.Much more outgoing, Choskyong served as an emissary to other legions, the Imperial Army, Ministorum, and Mechanicum.In many ways, Choskyong's greatest skill was his ability in all things. Though perhaps not an expert in any one discipline, Choskyong knew enough about any arcana that he could select the experts well.He's sort of a Riker to Gyahdred's Picard. Gyahdred tells him to make something happen and Choskyong makes it happen while Gyahdred focusses on something else.Choskyong is a devotee of the Mechanicum cult of Stovokor and has the sort of detached aspect of one of those machine mystics.>Harkuttaran OthorosThe legion champion, though in a legion like the Dusk Phantoms, that requires some clarification. Othoros specializes not in the honorable single combat favored by most legion champions, particularly (I would assume) the Angels of Avalon, but in beast slaying. He fights with a massive inertial hammer, which he took as a prize from a massive ur-gholem during the Sedna Campaign.His personal company, ...., can be found wherever the fighting is thickest and is composed of heavy assault troops, all with the slightly unhinged demeanor of their leader. For them, the thickest combats are a chance to test one's skill against the worst horrors of the universe. What greater joy can there be for a warrior?In this way, Othoros and many under his command espouse the detachment and oneness with action advocated in the teachings of Stovokor.
>>53991463Why is your legion's homeworld the name for the Klingon afterlife?
>>53991559I was gonna name Rokuten's homeworld after a radish.
>>53991559I've been slipping Star Trek shit in there ever since I decided that Gyahdred was kind of Spock-ish. QonoS is very mountainous and the architecture style (and script) always reminded me of Tibetan stuff, and I figured why not? Conjures images of glorious Space-Tibet.But yeah. The legion fortress is on Mt. Seleya, I think the primary temple of logic-enlightenment is on Hla-Shurak, ie Surak, there's a battle with the Chosen on the planet Grethor, and I just renamed Fenris Wolf 359. (see >>53978887>>53979008 )
My sons, tomorrow we make war upon my brothers, for in their ignorance, they have denied us what is ours by right. Though it pains me, there can be no other consequence for this crime and they must be wiped from the galaxy and their works cast down. As each world falls, we will erect vast manufactorums from which we will continue our crusade to the last, until nothing remains beside our inexhaustible might. Our brother-legions will be ground down beneath the might of our guns and picked apart from within by our mortal allies. Though our vengeance may not be swift, it will be inexorable, for we possess a power borne of the warp that is unknown to our brothers. The daemon Hashut smiles upon us and has pledged it's aid in our war of vengeance, and with this aid we will be unstoppable.-Mot Hadad speaking to his legion on the eve of the assault on Bergeron I, the first battle of the Eastern Crusade.
>>53992898I like it, it feels very Mot-ish; short and sweet, but powerful
>>53992898"Time to rock up, niggas."-Mot, 30th Millennium probably-
PROMPT/QUESTIONWhat are your legion champions like? I want to know for... research.>>53991463>Chengis ZeamiChengis Zeami is perhaps the foremost expert on siege operations in the entire legion, excluding its primarch.Chengis is an adherent of the technomystical traditions of Stovokor and sees siegecraft as a meditative process. A fortress is a puzzle and to solve the puzzle, one must see what the architect saw in finding its strengths, but also see what they did not. One approaches the fortress as a blank and in devising the strategy to bring it down learns the fortress and the siegecraft.For Zeami each siege is a unique performance, unrepeatable. Each script is performed once, and only once. When he can, he designs his main siege guns specifically for the campaign, after which he seldom uses them again, usually gifting them to other forces. None the less, he does keep some particularly notable pieces on hand the better to explore the nature of their character by examining them in a different light.I'm thinking he's the one in command of the Terminus EstFor a bit of reference and something I'd like a bit of help with, I'm working with the idea of Japanese Noh, which, in addition to often being ghost stories about madness and obsession, are traditionally rehersed only a few times. Basically, everyone learns their lines in private and then they show up and the show evolves from there. It's related to Zen ideas of transience.So Zeami sees siege as a similar sort of performance, a play with audience participation, if you will. He scripts the siege, writes it to the fortress, and performs the play once and only once-- it can be performed only the once. (And his plays bring the house down.)So you guys could help me get that clearer in there organically, that'd be great.>>53992898Sexy. On that tangent, what are daemons of Hashut like? Shadows that burn? Bronze golems marching in lockstep?
In the early stages of the heresy, Je'She would spend his time consolidating worlds surrounding Terra and the neighboring systems, while sending out warhosts to delay Separatist forces, as well as acting as evacuation fleets>The Siege of Graia- Sending two whole warhosts in the defense of the vital forgeworld against the Ogre Legion from O-Kan- Quickly devolves into a bloodbath as waves of fanatic Ogre Legionnaires assault entrenched Sentinels- Brother fights brother as the Ogre Legion slowly pushes the defenders back- The Sentinels enable a fighting retreat as they allow for entire supply fleets full of weapons, ammunition and raw material to flee to the Sol System and Mars- The siege lasts for nearly a year- Eventually, the battered warhosts retreat back to Terra and their awaiting Primarch
>>53994086>Idea for Soaring Host ChampionTotally a future chaos raptor lord. He's fast, used to fighting with a jump pack. Tries to decapitate on the flyby with his two handaxes or the talons strapped to his feet. They call him the Shrike or something.I'm thinking the Soaring Host is largely bro-tier pre-heresy, and the Shrike is a pretty modest, decent guy who really enjoys going fast and killing things really fast.He goes heretic because of his loyalty to Elsu, more than anything else. He's worried that the Soaring Host will be censured next and trusts Marduk to have their back.He may also be close with Marduk's champion. Tzneetch just makes those peyote visions a reality, at first.By the siege of terra, though, he's a daemon prince, flying around, shooting lightning out of his eyes, and snatching people up in his giant daemon thunderbird talons.
>>53994086>Chingis Zeami contSide thought:Part of why he's so good at what he does is because he does that whole bespoke thing. Which means he's always building new stuff and in studying the enemy fortification, it means he's up on all kinds of technology. He's never actually straight up built a xeno weapon, but his work often features unorthodox arrangements of Mechanicum components. He's never actually been charged with tech heresy for political reasons, but he's come close on a number of occasions.I'm thinking post heresy he actually gets put on trial and they can't make any of the charges stick because he's not actually using xeno components. (And he tends to give them away afterwards.)Anyways, it'd be something like a turbolaser array with a more coherent beam thanks to an arrangement of coils inspired by this xenos race and a focussing lense using a system inspired by another one.Means he's got top tier shit.I'll have to work him into a siege of some forges that Mot has in rebellion.
>>53994086Abrahim Ah-Sheikh:Hailing from a legion famed for its stalwart defenses, Abrahim is a master craftsman of defending any kind of position. From space hulk chokepoints to entire cities under siege, Abrahim’s countless honours and military commendations tell a tale of many an impregnable defense. However, upon meeting Abrahim in person would give a very different impression from the cold and servitor-like demeanor that a siege expert would be expected to have.Affectionately called ‘Albustani’ by his soldiers, the Harrdinese name loosely translates to, ‘The Gardener’. To Abrahim, a defending force is not some rigid set of walls and static emplacements to be some kind of rock. Rock and stone has it’s place in nature, but must not consume the overlaying terrain. Artillery are the trees that provide shade for the smaller things, and infantry and emplacements are the leaves and twigs that cover the ground, and while they may seem insignificant, nurture the soil for regrowth and protect the roots from frost and harm. Supply lines are the water that gives life to everything, and as such must be protected at all costs. And if water takes the path of least resistance, why not our lines of supply?Every unit has a place in Albustani’s garden. ‘Nature is resilient; we can learn much from the way a tree grows in the face of adversity, and how it heals from a wound. If we take the time to simply observe, a simple garden and everything in it can be applied to the battlefield. We only need to water it.” Khafir Abrahim Ah-Sheikh of the VIth Warhost, Legion Siege Master. 996.M30
>>53989573You are aware of the fact that Ganswindt means something like Goosepoop in german?
>>53994086Have two.Here's one.>Nahum Sarpeda, Terminator Captain of the Star Drinkers ChapterAn oft whispered but rarely spoken aphorism amongst the Star Drinkers was "Nahum has the void in his veins." At once remarking on his heritage, his family were simple voidsmen going back potentially thousands of years and neither of his parents ever set foot planetside and his remorseless personality. His command was of his chapter's first battalion breaching terminators, and participated largely in void based engagements. The casualties were staggering, even by the Immortal's standards, but Nahum proved to not only survive but thrive in those conditions. Nahum had been a full member of the legion for almost a hundred years before Marduk was found, a Terminator Captain for nearly fifty, and carried the weight of his years heavily. He was widely known to be bitter and brutal, with the rather unseemly habit of collecting the severed heads of his enemies, but his skill with the power saber and his natural talent for command earned him the respect of his fellows. He was frequently known to leave a powerful first impression on recruits during training, berating them savagely and often personally administrating their trials. An outsider to the legion would be hard pressed to peg Nahum as a pious man, but he was well known for his taking to the Abyssal Faith like a proverbial fish to water once Marduk was found. His eternal demeanor never cracked or shifted, but rumors spread of hours spent in his chambers praying. Nahum eventually rose to command of his entire chapter and often worked directly with the Primarch. He spear headed many a bloody action in the waning days of the crusade at the behest of the man he held in utmost reverence.
>>53995199And two.>Schiro Nadir, Assault Marine Captain of Benthic Swords ChapterSchiro's only memories are of war. His planet, a simple agri-world, was a hard fought victory for the Imperium. Originally overlooked as a potential target for Astartes deployment, the people dug in and fought for nearly ten years against the Imperial Army before a Legion could be relegated to deal with it. After the newly re-christened Leviathan Host soundly defeated the defenders, they conscripted an entire regiment of former child soldiers for their next batch of recruits. Schiro was among those children. Frequently regarded as uncharacteristically soft-hearted for an Astartes, Schiro ran afoul of his commanding officer just a year after becoming a full Marine. His crime? Disengaging the enemy to save a group of civilians from a collapsing wall. The Primarch, happening upon the scene while inspecting his troops after the assault, stepped in to defend the young marine. While he sternly warned the Schiro against questioning the orders of his superiors again, he openly commended his heroism and devotion to human life. From that point onwards, Schiro rose through the ranks of his chapter till he reached the command of it's Assault forces. His skill with the Astartes shotgun became nearly legendary, and so did his almost angelic character. Affixing stylized wings to his jump pack and adorning himself with copious golden artifacts, he was a shining inspiration. His piety ran deep after his chance encounter with the Primarch, and Schiro styled himself a savior of sorts. While he never again repeated the stunt that marked his early years, he believed that every slain foe and completed objective brought all of humanity closer to salvation. This religious reverence continued into his descent into Chaos and he fought hard during the Battle of Terra to ensure Marduk's vision of a rapturous Chaos victory would come to pass.
Tijo Nosebi ran her fingers through her long, blonde hair, something she did repeatedly when flustered. Lambachs plan had gone badly. As she knew it would when the Primarch originally bought it to the Legion and now they were on the run without a friend in the world, quite literally.Tijo had been opposed, as had many of the Chosen of Hecate, there had to be a better way. Perhaps they should have just bitten the bullet and accepted whatever punishment the warmaster deemed necessary. But Lambach was sure he could get his brothers to see his way, he assumed he was closer to them than they were to the Imperium and if they were a problem he'd be able to handle it, so it appeared Lambach Kropor had been wrong.
>>53996147Tijo, being the captain of the Chosen of Hecate Flagship the Starburst, making her an important member of the Legion was detained with the sixty two Chosen of Hecate warriors who spoke out against Lambach's plan. Not technically prisoners the primarch had informed them, but he could not allow them to interfere with the plans he had laid down. Once everything was set right they would be free to rejoin the Legion, the sixty two had been stipped of their weapons and armour and wore the simple, dark green robes of the Legion. They were kept in an empty hangar bay at Miletus capital spaceport guarded by a single squad of Chosen loyal to the Primarchs cause.There had been a time when Tijo would have followed Lambach through any hell, The Primarch had practically raised her and trusted her, probably the youngest Captain of the era with the responsibility for one of the most powerful space faring ships in the known galaxy. She had loved him for it. Everything had changed with the death of Radcliff Kaden, he had always been Lambach’s steady guide and most trusted advisor. But most of all Kaden had been Lambach’s best friend. Tijo missed the man dearly and was certain that had his death been avoided so too could the mess that was now brewing on the surface of Miletus. Tijo agreed with Lambach that Kaden's death was the fault of the Emperors short sightedness and egotistical hypocrisy as did every single member of the Chosen, but there had to be a better way. From the sounds of it Lambach was now engaged in battle with the Silver Blades and the Titan Marchers, the thought was unthinkable.
>>53996158Suddenly one of the guards spoke."The Primarch has ordered a full retreat, we are to make our way into orbit and break free of the SIlver Blades fleet by any means necessary".With that the guard squad simply left, leaving Tijo and the sixty two to their own fates. Warpclaw Parthenios was the highest ranking member among them so naturally the Chosen turned to him for advice."If we stay here we are like to be slaughtered, it may be hard to differentiate friend from foe after what our Father has done" the Warpclaw informed them. "We need to get to a lifter and get off planet, there is an armoury close to the hanger where we may find some weaponry that will suffice. However we have not got the time to locate and adorn armour. The real question is how will we escape the system?" "Cerastes" Tijo murmured, more to herself than anyone but the Warpclaw, with his enhanced hearing picked it up."What was that girl?" he demanded, disdain for her presence amongst the Astartes evident in his voice."I am a Master of the fleet, my lord" Tijo shot back."Not any more girl, you were Lambach’s pet before all this and now? The Starburst is not likely to wait for us""I am still the Master of a Space faring vessel, aye, not as grand as Starburst but my original ship the Cerastes is likely still in orbit. It was repurposed as a civilian carrier but it likely still has some fight. If you and your men can get me on board I can get us out of the system, unless you'd rather stay here and die?"
>>53996192Parthenios turned to the men, his men."We're moving out, we get as many weapons as we can from the stores and make for a lander, our priority is to protect the Captain" Parthenios nodded to Tijo by way of apology. "And what do we do when or if we actually reach this ship" Brother Demertes asked."A fine question Demertes, and one I have no answer for at this time, for now marines we have our mission, form into loose squads and let's secure ourselves some transport"The group made way to the armoury with little hassle locating not nearly enough weapons to arm each of them. Twenty three Bolters and Eleven Bolt Pistols were all that remained as far as ranged weaponry was to be had,with precious little ammunition. As well as a box of Fragmentation Grenades and most Importantly a Power Spear. Dividing the weapons as best he could Parthenios took the spear himself but eschewed a ranged weapon. Tijo also managed to find a rack of Lasguns, far too small to be made use of by the Astartes, Tijo felt safer with the firearm despite being painfully aware that it would be of little to no help if they actually were forced to fight. "Ship Master" Parthenios beckoned her over, "Again I wish to apologise for the way I treated you earlier, this is a stressful time for us all, but it was no excuse for the disrespect I showed you".Tijo accepted the apology with a light hearted smile on her pretty face, "Don't let it worry you, I've been digging my heels in against your stubborn lot for as long as I can remember. You do your job and I'll do mine. Deal? Mind if I ask what the plan is from here? Do you have anyone who can fly a Storm Bird"
>>53996201"Amongst our numbers we have several specialists that we can call upon, two techmarines, Brothers Twain and Gerahost both able Pilots. An apothecary, Brother Bonfiglioli and possibly most importantly a neophyte by the name of Torrens who was being psykicly groomed. Before all this he would have risen swiftly in the legion" "Well that's handy, now we just need to get through potentially three hostile forces, get a bird and hope we can locate my ship, take control of that and get out of the system before the Blades pound us into oblivion. Easy...""Also" Parthenios began"Of course there's an also...""Bonfiglioli informs me there is a storage of gene-seed close by, he believes and I agree that we should check this storage and if we can rescue as much of it as we can, if the Legion survives the Primarch may need it to rebuild""That's a big IF Warpclaw..."
>>53996224The plan was simple enough, Bonfiglioli and Gerahost would take eight men with them, each armed with a Bolt Pistol, they would attempt to gain access to the Gene-Vault nearby. They had ten minutes to get there, gather as much gene-seed as they could and make it back to the hangar. Meanwhile Parthenios would take the rest of the complement acquire a Storm Bird and hold it for the time given to the other group, but they could wait no longer. If the Gene-seed gathering group took any longer than that they would have to be left behind. Each man knew they were about to be forced to face off against their former Cousins and perhaps even their brothers, the mood did not sit well but what they intended had to be done. Parthenios' group met little resistance as they made their way towards the hanger. They saw mostly panicked and confused mortals running for shelter and only a few squads of Chosen who had far bigger problems than Tijo's motley bodyguard. However they could hear bolter fire very close by. Opening the blast doors to the hangar revealed why. Hundreds of Chosen of Hecate Marines staged a fighting retreat towards the grounded storm birds, harried by Astartes of the Silver Blades Legion. Tijo's group had the advantage of being close to the ships with no real hinderance to getting themselves on board. The hard part now would be defending their transport from attack by the Silver Blades and indeed, their own brothers while they waited for Bonfiglioli, they were severely out gunned and in addition had no armour to defend themselves. In a concentrated fight they would be slaughtered.
>>53996234Parthenios ushered his men on board the nearest Storm Bird hoping against hope that his power armoured brothers would defend the Storm bird without realising who was on board."Demertes, make sure the Ship Master is safely secured, her safety is our chief concern if any of us wish to make it out of here alive, Twain get this bird ready to fly, as soon as the Apothecary returns we take off".Demertes scooped Tijo into his arms as easily if he were lifting a toddler, no matter how long she lived amongst them being physically handled by an Astartes was always an intimidating prospect. "I am sorry Lady Tijo" the legionnaire assured her, "but the restraints in a Storm Bird were not made for someone as... tiny as yourself, and we will already be well above capacity. Our lack of armour is perhaps a blessing in that regard". >That's all I have for now, actual action will start soon.
>>53994086Imagine a siege with Chengis Zeami against Abrahim? Two artists, but of a different styles.>>53996158>>53996192>>53996201>>53996224>>53996234>>53996243Looks really good man, it's always cool to see the legions from a human perspectiveQUESTION:Have we worked out which legions are with which Warmaster during the Ullanor crusade?
>>53996854I don't think we have. The Marchers aren't assigned to any particular front, as a support legion they are spread among all three. By the time of the Brotherwar the Fleets that are with the Seps return to Raj's side, but of those with the Traitors a couple are corrupted by Chaos.
>>53996876Say we have about 2-3 legions per 'wing'? not including the Warmaster legions
>>53996887>>53996876This could also solidify future alliances perhaps? Allowing bonding to happen between future chaos legions and enmities to appear
>>53996887So more than three wings? Or do mean mean each front has 3-4 permanent legions, and the other 9-12 move around between them?The main point of the Crusade, narratively, is to build up relationships between the legions, so that there's dramatic weight behind the Heresy/Brotherwar. Interaction between all of them is important, so yeah, that works. Plenty of relationships would have been built up before Ullanor though.
>>53996948Hmm, would it be worth doing that? Having 3-4 legions with most of their strength committed to the crusade, while the other legions send however much support they can?
>>53994086>Rheus Astavic, 2nd Brigadier, 1st Division, Legio XIIInitially assigned to recon duties, Legionaire Astavic displayed a surprisingly accurate ability to estimate enemy locations when out of sight. Common sense would have decreed that he become a Vigilator, yet it would not be. During the compliance of Hanesva, his squad would fall prey to an ambush, leaving him stranded alone in the mazelike corridors of the underhive, his bolter destroyed. For days on end, he roamed the hive with but his combat blade, always one step ahead of the hive-millitia. When extraction came and victory was decreed, he demanded re-assignment to purgation cadres, and took the moniker of "Bloodied Hand in Darkness"
>>53997106Namefagging, please. Which legion is this for?
>>53996982It makes sense to me. Difficult to say which legions should be with which Warmaster.
>>53997196Hmm, it'd probably an even mix of offensive and defensive legions with each wingPOSSIBLE IDEA, FEEL FREE TO CHANGE>Marduk - air cav, void combat, essentially assault specializing in space- Soaring Host (allows for Elsu to get to know Marduk more and eventually fall to Chaos, as well as their tactics complimenting the Leviathan Host)- Ogre Legion (someone has to be infantry)- Forge Lords- Loxodontii (provides heavy armour as well as a possible opportunity for the legion to further indulge in chaos under the influence of Marduk and his legion> Je'She - Defense and focus on civilian protection- Steel Souls (psychic specialty)- Dusk Phantoms (reactionary warfare coupled with static defense is good)- Pale Hounds - Symphonious Disciples> Frederick - fast assault- Ussaran Liberators (could allow for the relationship between Frederick and Piter to develop)- Iron Guard- Death's Heads> Emperor- Titan Marchers (or at least some forces since Raj find's Kane with the Emperor)- Gunslingers (for story reasons)- Golden Mountains perhaps?Not sure where the Angels of Avalon and the Smoke Stalkers would go- Silver Swords (for story reasons)
>>53997494Edit:-The Silver Swords were to go with the Emperor's wing- Smoke Stalkers could be a cool addition to Frederick's wing. The legions in that wing are hardcore enough
>>53997494>>53997515*BladesWhat do the Blades with Empy? What's their job?
>>53997578I thought Linares was one of the first to find out the Emperor was injured, and nearly attacking Kane?
>>53997582Nah Linares isn't there. Mostly just a small group maybe a company of Blades, probably working with Raj.
>>53997615Yeah, that makes sense. Linares would surely entrust his men in Raj's care.
>>53997123>Legio XIIThat's the Iron Guard, sorry.
>>53997582This>>53997615>>53997666Linares himself isn't there, but the Blades are represented.
Question: What is the Seperatist's capital world?
>>53997958Terra UltimaSeparata CapitolisTerra U.S.MacraggeParisVichyHome Away From Home
>>53997958On the one hand, distance is protection. That would indicate it needs to be in the Fringe somewhere, or near Macragge and all those fertile worlds. On the other hand, if it's too far away from the "center" of Sep space, they're already going to have a hard enough time controlling the Sep Empire as it is, without being too far away to collect taxes and inspire loyalty. That would imply that it needs to be located somewhere around Olympia on the map. Protected by the need to travel around the Galactic Core, so no direct assault is easily possible, yet mostly centralized to keep travel times on *their* side of the Core as low as possible.
>>53998454>On the other hand, if it's too far away from the "center" of Sep space, they're already going to have a hard enough time controlling the Sep Empire as it is, without being too far away to collect taxes and inspire loyalty.Not a problem for the Ogre Legion.
>>53962170Nice take on that figure, I think you did a really good job.
>>53994086>Aptathos Lobrezva (Emil's Equerry)Few if any Steel Souls ever came within a thousand leagues of Aptathos' staggering power. Despite the Legion's tendency towards defensive barriers like biomancy and telepathy, Aptathos mastered only destructive skills, a typhoon unleashed upon the battlefield. Recruited despite the Legion's misgivings, Aptathos and Emil eventually came to blows. During that battle Emil at last understood his Equerry's true nature, a man suffering from the mental instability common to all psykers of Beta level strength and above. After defeating Aptathos Emil installed powerful devices to help regulate the tortured warrior's psyche. But while successful, the Legion had many misgivings about his decision.>Kellen Botru, AtomancerKellen struggled for many years to find his place within the Steel Souls. A true psyker, he would normally find it easy to rise into the command ranks, yet he struggled to master any discipline. The Warp simply refused to obey his commands, wrapping itself into a tiny, inaccessible knot every time Kellen so much as brushed his awareness across it. It was almost as if the Warp despised his touch, and he was despondent. It was not until Kellen spoke with Archmagos Reductor Emalia Lissandro after a particularly difficult campaign to liberate the Forge World she called home that the Marine learned of a new possibility. By adding small deuterium capsules to the inside of his bolter shells and compressing them with his limited abilities, a micro-fusion detonation was possible, like a more powerful Kraken Bolt. At last Kellen could feel some sense of accomplishment and proudly stand alongside his brethren. Although it did not escape Emil's notice that Kellen also stood alongside Emalia whenever possible, volunteering for permanent duty on her homeworld. >I could do a shitload of these, but how many is too many? Anyone have any advice?
>>53999899(Side note: Aptathos is a true Alpha-level psyker, the only one the Fifth Legion ever found and trained during the Great Crusade. That's why he's nuts enough to try and challenge his Primarch for control of the Legion, and why Emil has to perform extensive psycho-surgery to keep Aptathos from exploding or going full Daemon-mode.)
>>53944330STRATEGIC DISPOSITION OF LEGION V, THE STEEL SOULS, LATE CRUSADE ERA:LEGION COMMAND: Primarch Emil KannavLEGION PRAETORATE: 10 strongest/most skilled Marines in the Legion, also serve as Emil's personal/ceremonial bodyguard. Praetor Primus: Sergull Imdo, the “Stargazer”.Praetor Secundus: Giuliano Kenne, the “Great Spirit”.Praetor Tertius: Tomas Perkas, the “Master of Arms”.Praetor Quartus: Nimirhif Hultuul, the “Mighty One”.Praetor Quintus: Jaurgas Stivson, the “Void Stalker”.Praetor Sextus: Maurtus Golseth, the “Drillmaster”.Praetor Septimus: Hamesh Zuja, the “Honored among Brothers”.Praetor Octavus: Zekiel Esprey, the “Protector Militant”.Praetor Nonus: Beoli Scarhand, the “Master of Blades”.Praetor Decimus: Zhang Tikaam, the “Legion's Heart”.CONSULAR REPRESENTATIVES: TBD IF ANY.VEXILLARIUS: Aptathos, Emil's Equerry and Legion Standard Bearer, sometimes commands the Terquo in Emil's stead.HONOUR GUARD/CHAPTER 0: [Terquo Kannav]: Marines under Primarch Emil's direct command:400 Power Spear carriers holding the center in 4 ranks of 100 Marines.100 Legion Assault Terminator Veterans in two groups of 50 on each flank (adjacent to the Spearmen).100 Heavy Weapons Carriers in the rear behind the Power Spearmen providing covering fire.400 Legion Veterans with balanced, mobile loadouts in two groups of 200 on each flank.>cont.
>>53944330>>54001099CHAPTER I [Sun Bearers]: Commanded by Tetrarch Franz Wallmot.CHAPTER II [Blood Kin]: Commanded by Tetrarch Andrezj Kalenski.CHAPTER III [Knights Dauntless]: Commanded by Tetrarch Archimnos Gallestes.CHAPTER IV [Willbenders]: Commanded by Tetrarch Dionil Pellisos.CHAPTER V [Psyberios Brotherhood]: Commanded by Tetrarch Iacob Konian.CHAPTER VI [Originally, Sabers Argent. Post-Ullanor renamed the Gargant Krushas]: Commanded by Tetrarch Vokam Mern. (These guys would be the Steel Soul's forces at the Ullanor fight)CHAPTER VII [Voidswimmers]: Commanded by Tetrarch Angos Hawker.CHAPTER VIII [Lunar Angels]: Commanded by Tetrarch Eidan Briaros.CHAPTER IX [Exterminators]: Commanded by Tetrarch Tellmach Quivis.CHAPTER X [Negators]: Commanded by Tetrarch Mazon Devallas.
>>53996876>>54001120It took me a while to get around to it, but here's the answer to your earlier question btw. 1000 Steel Souls from their sixth Chapter will be present on Ullanor, the rest are all too deep into the Ultima Segmentum to rally in time. They will temporarily subordinate themselves to another Primarch's control as per Emil's orders.(The group is free to choose where, when and how the sixth Chapter goes about Ullanor, I'm not particularly concerned with the details. However makes you guys' writing easier is fine with me.)
STRATEGIC ORGANISATION, XII LEGION, IRON GUARDWhen the Twelfth Legion, then named the Warmongers, was reunited with its Gene-Sire, its command structure had become a mess of informal designations and personal concurrence between glory-seeking officers. Thus the first major change to the legion was the rebirth of the Opsequarion, a disciplinary corps present at the birth of the Legiones Astartes but dissolved as the Primarchs were discovered, their presence sufficient to ensure compliance in most cases.Gone would be the flexible structure of the Warmongers, and their champion-culture. In its place, the Principia Bellicosa would be enforced and expanded, with the creation of two additional levels, one tactical, the other strategic.The first would be the Platoons, elements of one hundred Astartes, more suited to enclosed quarters fighting than isolated squads or vast companies. A Platoon would possess a sufficient variety in squad designations to cover every aspect of warfare, should the conditions of battle change over the course of a single operation.The second would be the Brigade, a grouping of two companies, with a theoretical nominal strength of two thousand legionnaires. Adapted to wider campaigns, a myriad-strong Division could strike in better coordination and higher strength when divided in five parts than ten, without two Captains vying for power when a single Brigadier could command the entire operation.
>>54001528What makes a Platoon different from a Company? Or is that describing how the Twelfth came to use Companies in the first place?And I think when you say "A Brigade is two Companies" you probably mean two Chapters, right?
>>54002044The platoon is two tiers lower than the company in RL military.
>>54002233Which means what in terms of warriors in the year 30,000? I'm just not following how his Platoons/Brigades/Divisions/Companies flow from one to the next in his hierarchy.
>Taarush Amin, Techmarine, Legion Master of the XVIIth Legion, ex-Chapter Master of the Second Chapter (Moon Raiders) Taarush was one of the oldest marines in the Titan Marchers legion, a brilliant engineer, and the first Master of the legion after Raj Vokar’s fall at the Eternity Gate. Taarush began his service to the legion as part of the first batch of neophytes to be recruited from Manaan, after Raj’s rediscovery by the Emperor early in the Great Crusade. After receiving training from the Magos of Mars, Taarush began climbing through the ranks of the legion. By the time Raj first met Lambach Kropor of the VIIIth legion, Taarush had already reached the rank of First Captain of the First Battalion of the Second Chapter. Not long after that he took over the position of Chapter Master. Taarush became a favorite of Raj during his time as First Captain. He was a brilliant craftsman, constructing weaponry that neared Raj’s creations in terms of quality and attention to detail. Taarush’s work ethic and ingenuity quickly got him close to the Primarch’s inner circle, which ensured his promotion as soon as the previous Chapter Master died. His most famous creation is the Heavy thunder hammer Raat’s Reckoning, a modified melee weapon fiercely powerful against heavily armored foes, cracking ceramite like clay. Equipped with his hammer, his servo-arms and a special plate of Artificer Armor, Taarush is the epitome of a techmarine and a perfect embodiment of the Titan Marchers’ ethos; Artifice, Strength, Willpower. After Raj’s death at the hands of Deshain Kane at the Eternity Gate, Taarush quickly rose above his grief and rekindled the Marchers’ passions after the loss of their gene-sire. He was unanimously elected to become Legion Master, commanding many battles during the Great Scouring.
>>54002269That should be platoon/company/brigade/division afaik. And well, a platoon could be like a Demi—Company in a Codex Compliant chapter.
>>54001099>>54001528In a similar vein:>Dusk Phantoms organizationThe basic conceptual unit is the Covenant. Each is unique in organization, akin to the clans of O-Kan. (I assume. Really they're very similar to Iron Hands clans.)Despite this, there is a general division between line companies and specialist formations.Unlike the largely autonomous clans of O-Kan, the covenants are designed to work together.Line Covenants are designed for any operation, being comparable to chapters of other legions. However, due to the nature of XVth legion operations, specialist forces exist to handle almost anything. These forces are designed to work alongside the line covenants.So the legion tailors it's response with these experts and command structure is designed to handle this modular sort of structure.It's like if the DA had mendicant orders.
>>54004059So, Clan-Chapters with the occasional specialist group wandering here and there?It's not hugely different from the Codex I suppose, so it's certainly not too radical to be tolerated. Do consider how exactly these specialist units receive their orders to attend to any given situation though. If you desperately need a team of apothecaries, for instance, they're no good unless somehow they can be alerted and deployed in time. And that's not easy in the Warhammer world. Given how clumsy Warp travel and communications are, I would argue that this is the primary reason we don't see many such "specialist units" in canon 40k. Entire worlds burn and regiments fall before anyone else even knows the attack is coming, yeah?
>>54001120Hmm. Where to go from here? I can always add more battles, and I can always fluff out any/all of those named characters I just wrote, but that feels like busywork while I wait for everyone else to do their things. What do you all think I should put my focus on?
>>54004235Well. there's a few things at play.First off, this is the crusade organization. Since they're sort of the Exterminator legion, anyway, it lets them put different magi at the head.Secondly, there's experts in all companies, so apothecaries, siege masters, etc, but when you come up against giant bug monsters, you call the expert on how to kill giant bug monsters. You can kill them just fine on your own, but he kills them dead.The idea here is that some weapons that are too specialized to hand out for general use, like bio-corrosive blast shells for predators. Nine times out of ten, you don't need them. But when you know you're going into fight that war on murder or nids are coming, you can call the guy who has a ship full of them. And a thousand other equally arcane things.The local macro-extinction expert in your company will have some on hand, be able to make some more if you need them, be able to analyze xenobiology, etc etc, but it's nice to have a guy who works on economy of scale.For comparison, the three most similar canon legions in terms their campaigns are Dark Angels, Space Wolves, and Death Guard.The Death Guard just poison everything, all day, every day.The Space Wolves just run at them and are given alchem weapons or something.The Dark Angels have this weird interlocking command structure where everyone has a wing duty? I'm not wholly sure how it works.What I was thinking is have everyone in the XVth trained for a number of protocols, like the wings. Rogue Sorceror Protocol, Bio-Extinction Protocol, Siege Protocol, Heretek Protocol, etc etc. Each legionary is trained for what to do in each of these scenarios and each company has some special gear for each of these protocols-- rad grenades, psy-wards, haywire systems, etc. And the leading council shifts in response. But at the same time, I don't think all companies can have equally specialized gear for all situations, hence specialist companies who come with gifts to share.
>>54004059>Each is unique in organization, akin to the clans of O-Kan. (I assume. Really they're very similar to Iron Hands clans.)Actually, the clans are rather homogenous in organization.
>>53999899By all means, keep writing them. Gives us stuff to work with. And helps see other sides of the legion, I think.Like this really clarifies just how the legion works with psykers, oddly enough.>>53998454Makes sense to me. I second this.>>53996854Hell yeah.Regardless of what happens, I think Zeami leaves the main siege gun for Abrahim as a present.>>53997494>>53997515This seems good to me.For Gyahdred, it gives him a chance to hang with Steel Souls and Valorn and also really come to hate Yochin.I think having Isekho get out a bit and meet people seems pretty good. That way when things go wrong on Suyu, people really do believe that it was a mistake and see Je'She's response as revenge.And the tighter Raj is with Pacha, the more it will be plausible that Raj is getting revenge when he attacks Lambach. Meanwhile, Marduk grins because of all the suspicion flying around.
>>54005269I follow most of your logic regarding items and specialties and such, but here's the problem.If the specialist units *cannot* respond to threats in time to be useful, they are irrelevant. If the specialist units *can* respond to threats in time, they are brokenly powerful. A working specialist detail means that *every* Company or Chapter or what have you can suddenly bring lethally precise force to bear on any applicable threat. A specialist Apothecary detachment lets *everyone heal*, and so forth. That's part of *why* Chapters don't have such things but rather try to be as internally self-sufficient as possible. A regular Chapter has a little bit of everything, but not massive amounts of any one thing to maintain flexibility.Because in space, no one can hear you scream, and you cannot count on being able to call for help in the Warhammer universe.
>>54005575>Like this really clarifies just how the legion works with psykers, oddly enough.Elaborate, por favor, because apparently you've seen something I hadn't thought of, lol.
>>54005588I'm thinking that during the crusade they can respond in time, which is part of why the Imperium is so powerful. (as in my understanding of the OU crusade era)Though it's not so much HUGE Apothecary detachment as it is Siege regiment, beast hunter regiment, anti-psyker regiment, fortification regiment, Nosferatii.Afterwards... who knows. I'm getting the sense that Frederick is making something that works a bit better than the OU Imperium.I think the simplest route is to just steal the First Legion's organizational model and have deep vaults.That or just totally violate machine canon and make everything a whole lot more modular.Though I think post heresy, the Watch Fortresses will aid with this, since they'll be defensive in nature and keep constant patrol.The specialist forces will be proportionally smaller, I suppose, kept around for things like Vraks or wars against the West.I'm envisioning Frederick's Imperium as Prussia in the 1870s, though. (And half the fun with the mechanicum is the crazy wargear. Next one of these we end up doing, I'm going to go with a totally different theme. >_<)>>54005613Oh, just that I'd still had the image of the Thousand Sons in my mindI am also curious about Apathos, what happened, etc.
>>54005865Oh, and also, I'm borrowing from the idea of the Reductor Covenants, which wander the crusades of the OU looking for cool sieges to help with/do. Kind of like the Myrmidax.The simplest solution may just be that the legion gets completely reorganized following the crusade.
>>53994086>What are your legion champions like? I want to know for... research.The champion of the Ogre Legion is Kamiza, the Tiger Slayer, who has faced every White Tiger in three clans and won. Later a Successor and leader of Clan Goza.>>53994122Sounds about right.
>>54005865Well, maybe some of the other anons here can offer their advice about the specialist units. I think if I keep harping on it eventually we're just going to piss each other off, lol.Regarding what happened to Aptathos, Emil basically gave him the inverse World Eaters treatment, installing some of his best psybernetics from Nonimat IV's deep vaults to help the poor fucker channel his great power while still remaining sane. Normally you'd expect Aptathos to become a Chapter Master or something in a Legion like the Steel Souls, but he's made the Equerry instead, and only rarely commands troops in the field, specifically only if Emil requires it. (And only leads the most experienced troops, because they can strap Aptathos' ass back down on the surgeon's table if it ever turns out that Emil *did* fuck up in the installation process somewhere.)
>>54006086What happens to legion equerries after the heresy in the OU?
>>54007632http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/EquerryLern 2 Google, but some live and some (probably most) die. Kharn obviously survives the whole thing, as a primary example.
>>54007712I'm trying to be creative with my bumps, see.
>>54008162Yeah, fair enough.
>>54007632>>54007712I guess Quteq should end up dead by the time the brotherwar is over. Should also explain why Pacha ends up in a disadvantageous position before going full world spirit mode, he doesn't have the possible backup of a stone-made dreadnought to call upon.
I kind of want a scenario where Mot is captured during the eastern crusade and has to fight his way out of one of his brothers' legion headquarters alone.Thoughts?
>>54009455I volunteer the Pale Hounds.
>>54009455I agree with >>54009721Assuming >>53977725, then he's the one who would catch him.Also any thoughts on >>54006086>>54005865etc?
>>54006086>Regarding what happened to Aptathos, Emil basically gave him the inverse World Eaters treatment, installing some of his best psybernetics from Nonimat IV's deep vaults to help the poor fucker channel his great power while still remaining sane.I have a better idea: he goes insane.
>>54009803Prussia in the 1870's I only know so much about. You might need to talk to other people about that. Like I said, I'm not trying to rake you over the coals regarding those specialist groups, all I'm saying is carefully consider the logistics of such a thing. >>54009831I'm not sure exactly what I want Aptathos' fate to be, to be honest. Presumably he won't survive the Heresy though.
>>54010602ALSO:https://docs.google.com/document/d/19kRKKx4X2tCQlKnNL-KPNcYaCRgkJzPbOXawCtYjHSI/edit?usp=sharingI am a broken man, my fingers raw and numb. Yet I have written an expanded dossier encompassing the Steel Souls' Praetorate "The Soulshroud". Ten Marines who stand above their entire Legion, ten masters of their arts. Ten warriors deemed worthy to fight at their Primarch's side when called upon. Lemme know what you guys think!
>>54010697(and if you guys like them, my eternal gratitude to the anon brave enough to give them all stats and such)
>>54010602Oh, I'm not taking your attitude as confrontational. I think you make a good point and I'm working through what I'm thinking to see if it makes sense. I also like where you're going .
>>54010602>>54011197I'm alright with the specialist groups. It makes sense considering the way the Dusk Phantoms wage war. It shouldn't mean they have the perfect solution to every problem though. I'm assuming the Phantoms suffer from the kinds of issues 40k Ultramarines do; inability to quickly adapt on the spot.As for the communications issue, I see where Emil's getting at, but if anyone could solve that problem it'd be Gyahdred. Even then I imagine there'd be times where the Legion would have to pauze a campaign just to get the right people in.tl;dr specialists are fine, as long as they aren't portrayed as perfect.
>Kadirian Ork TribesKadir has been infested by orks since the first known records of the planet. At first, they were few and relatively shy, not attacking big cities nor launching serious offensives. They pillaged and looted small villages in or near the mountains, rarely getting into the plains. A hundred years before Linares' arrival, the tribes became more dangerous, attacking bigger villages, even in the plains, and in one instance, plundering the capital city of a landlord. The Lords realised the threat they faced, and quickly adapted to the situation, waging war against them, destroying whole tribes in a series of battles in the mountains and crippling others. But that was what the orks were made for, War. And they came back, this time in bigger numbers and more brutal. The Lords suffered heavy casualties and lots of defeats before crushing the horde in a desperate defense. The warboss survived, and fled to the Muljhad mountain, where he mounted his camp.
>>54013369After Linares' campaign against the mountain tribes, the orks were reduced to numbers so small that they didn't even tried to pillage the villages of the mountains, as they were well defend then. They fell back to the Muljhad's caves, and prepared for war again. Nearly 20 years passed, and at last, they came back. Villages burned, and hundreds lost their lives. The Silver Blades PDF answered the call, and deployed some squads in the remaining villages. Not enough for the brutal orks, so they were quickly slaughtered and the villages plundered. The orks were back in business, and they wanted revenge. The efforts to control the occasional incursions and attacks were doubled, and the orks were held at bay for some time, but the green tide was unstoppable, and the Legion itself was summoned.
>>54013369>>54013422Don't they know Orks grow back?Anyway, good stuff dog.
>>54009721I'd be up for that. It makes sense, if they're the ones sent to murderise Mot, and I can see Valorn wanting to kill Mot himself. As such, if Mot was defeated by a Hound other than Valorn, they'd probably capture him so that Valorn could do the deed himself.
Couple of things were discussed on Discord today. One thing of note that was decided on:Elsu should be the one to assassinate Malcador. After becoming a a Daemon Primarch, Elsu becomes a shapeshifter. He brings a detachment of Marines in unmarked Power Armour painted black and uses his powers to change into his brothers, leaving survivors with conflicting stories on who attacked Malcador. This leads to the conflict escalating.
>>54015662Weird, but okay. There were a lot more messages, what was discussed? Something important?>>54013369>>54013422Continued:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t608XhyARQm0jg8zpEtVs-yJpU8EmPDbLEk-giB46dA/edit?usp=drivesdk
>>53944330Anyone around today?
>>54020551Not really a whole lot was brought up today. Discord was busy enough, but that wasn't really thread worthy. Lot's of discussions related to Primarch appearances and the like. Also a Sentinels successor chapter concept.The only really important bit was deciding it's Elsu that kills Malcador.
just stumbled across this thread but it looks pretty coolis there an easy way to catch up with all the details or is it just best to read the lore of each legion
>>54021317Depends on what you're looking for.Reading the docs should give you an idea for (most) of the Legions. We're still hashing out the Heresy/Brotherwar timeline, but we're almost done with it. That should be up soon enough.If you want, you could join the Discord server, we'll be available to talk shop with you.
>>54021425id be glad to join the discord severer I just wont be very active of thats alright
>>54021317Just hang out and shoot the shit, yo. I've been writing all kinds of shit for my Legion, but that's because I am autistic and bored. Bortistic. Yeah. That's the stuff.
>>54021510Emil the Bortistic Fucker>>54021317Just do what you feel like. Discord is there, we have a spreadsheet with all the Legions and info about them, and we ate happy to help. Ask any questions you may have
>>54021469Aight man. Discord link is in the Thread links tab of the Google Sheet in the OP,
>>54021207We could have the Lambach / Gyhadread fight happening roughly the same time as Malcador is assassinated. To explain why the Dusk Phantoms aren't there?
>>54022478I was thinking it was right before the ruin storm.
>>54023985Sure. Which is around Malcs death yeah?Not certain.I think Raj wants us to nail down the timeline on this event chain.But I think we really need like a line graph or something sith all the years and start entering events.
>>54024440No, I think it's a few years before.As soon as malcador dies, Gyahdred goes and hits the Death's Heads. If he knew of chaos, he'd be hitting them, judging them as an existential risk for humanity.
>>54024780That's fair, Lambach doesn't need to play any big role while the seps thing happens. Unless needed too. When would you have Gyhadread pick up Tijo then? She's basically running to you right after the Lambach censure, though she doesn't actually know about the Chaos side, just the dark magics. Her ship could easily get caught up for awhile if need e on some grand adventure and she only eventually makes it to Gyahdread?
>>53944330bump because yall niggas need to decide if you're still doing this shit or if everyone got bored and left
>>54027009I think most of us are still pretty active.A lot gets discussed in discord and then transferred here.The timeline is more or less complete we just need to put it on a graph or something.
Who wants to make Einchurt's Sword? Gyahdred already gifts him his Photon Gauntlet, so sorry Xun, I'd like to give someone else a chance.Also>Korpsmarshall Keitel SeigmeyerOne of the members of Einchurt's Oberwaffekommande, Keitel is commander of the Legion's II Chapter. The Chapter suffered heavily during the Rangdan Xenocides, and has never been able to fully recover its original numbers, making it the smallest Chapter within the Legion. This is compensated for by a higher than normal amount of Cybernetica Inductees, thus earning the II Chapter its current name, the Eisendrachen.Keitel is an aggressive commander, often leading his forces directly from the front. The officer received grievous wounds during his campaigns against the Hrud in the Ghoul Stars region. Once a handsome, fiery leader, Keitel Seigmeyer has become dour and resentful, often showing outright disdain for many of the other Legiones Astartes, viewing them as weak, unable or unwilling to face the horrors that the VI Legion has had to.The Korpsmarshall has been bound to his suit of Cataphractii plate ever since his wounding against the Hrud, the suit of armour holding various systems to maintain the integrity of his body.
>>54027376Lambach has not actually goven anything to any brother except helping Gyahdread.Perhaps he could gift you with the famous Blade of Bellona from Miletus legends?
I think it's important to set how large every Legion is, so I'm gunna make a "Astartes Strength" column on the spreadsheet. It's just for Astartes bodies, no Cybernetica, serfs, etc.
>>54027993Oh? Do go on, or is it in your doc?
>>54028007I'm at work atm but will write something for you when I get home if you like?
>>53944330I'm sure everyone's gone to bed and I know the thread's about to die but here goes nothing. I wrote a couple of secondary characters talking with each other, trying to give a little depth to how the Steel Souls perceive Nikea, the Emperor, and their Primarch. Check it out.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LqKgGqFT5Tm-CJYiYV8Hutb9TAkTDtjIn47m-hd7g1M/edit?usp=sharing
>>54027376No worries my literal fictive brother. Mot might be an interesting and characterful choice.Einchurt figures that Mot only gave it to him to curry favor, Mot being the bastard that he is, but at the same time, it's a gift and maybe Mot will eventually get over his chronic case of being a little shit.Keitel seems cool. I can imagine him either being very close to a suitably hard and grimdark mother fucker in the Dusk Phantoms. That or hating the guy's guts over something.>>54025030So the timeline I'm working with at the moment is Gyahdred departs the conference the moment Malcador dies. No doubt this fuels (stupid) rumors that Gyahdred was responsible, but Gyahdred has been planning to take out Einchurt immediately if open warfare breaks out, figuring that the Death's Heads will be the most dangerous enemy (and inflict the most collateral damage).So he goes straight there for the massacre at Elcoa, before going on his rampage through the Yochin's worlds.The big issue that I see is how Tijo and company would feel about the whole going on a rampage through Imperial territory.I'm thinking Distant Thunder and company get back and find Thashunke covered in the dead and if I were writing a novel, they'd find Gyahdred first, raise the mystery before the warnings and partial explanation.In the case of Distant Thunder, I think they'd chalk it up to something weird in the civil war, more reprisals by Je'She, potentially, madness in the Soaring Host and I think they'd be willing to chill with the Phantoms, but not participate.
>>54028123This was me, I'm half asleep and forgot my name. Not that I think there was much confusion regarding the author, lol.>>54027997Steel Souls are 101,000 strong. Ten "Chapters" of 10,000 Marines and Chapter Ultima, 1000 Marines under Emil's direct control. Plus assorted support crew and Legion experts and what not, obviously.
>>54028274>Mot might be an interesting and characterful choice.I'm all for it.
>>54028274It'd probably be a little of both>>54028108>>54028459Hmm, I wonder who can write Einchurt a better sword...
>>54028480The basic idea I had for the Blade of Bellona is that Bellona (roman version of Ares) was the god of war. Genrals used to pray to her for victory ect. After gods were banished on Miletus the Academy for training soldiers was named after her.Lambach basically, while not a professional Smith, as more of a hobby liked to build the weapons of legends.His favorite being the Blade of Bellona.Essentially it is a massive 2 handed bastard sword that when an activation stud is pressed breaks the blade into segments and coils out into an enormous flail. An especially skilled user can make great advantage of this.
>>54028357God help me. Sometimes when the writing bug hits it must be satiated before I can sleep. It's three in the fucking morning and I'm half-mad for lack of sleep. Maybe that's why I came up with this idea. It skips a few timeline segments, coming after a yet-hypothetical event in which Emil goes before the Emperor on his throne while the Ruinstorm rages and the Loyalists are focused on driving the Traitors into the Eye.It is the darkest sequence of events I've yet considered for Emil. I'm not sure if it will be the final choice, it may yet be discarded as a fever dream I had, lol. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v3Iigl9_RjoLJrDJ6DqRsYgL0Jql3BaFJ4SwnHjwPb4/edit?usp=sharingThis one *really* needs some examination by the group, particularly since it essentially involves Emil changing factions when the final tally is all said and done. If there's huge flaws in the concept I very much need to know.
>>54023985>>54024440Yeah, let's try to hash the timeline out today. My assumption the sequence of events at this point is: Council of Nikaea > Ullanor > Emperor's Incapacitation > Warmasters Triumvirate > Censure of Pacha > Censure of Lambach > Seperatist Uprisings (gets violent, seperatist sentiments already existed) > Assassination of Malcador > Brotherwar > Siege of Terra > Great Scouring > End of the Ruinstorm.>>54027009>>54027294We're pretty much all still around man. A lot of discussion has just been moved to the Discord. Anything important gets posted here.>>54027376I'm gonna pass this time around. Either leave it to Lambach's archeotech or Mot's creation.>>54028274Sounds interesting. I'll leave figure that all out to you guys.>>54029312I'm personally strongly against 'muddling the factions', or in other words; having people move around between them. Just for the sake of clarity, I feel that at the start of the Brotherwar the sides should be made up, and that's that.On the other hand, this is a very well written piece, so I don't know. Your plan really is to have Emil survive but become a Daemon Prince or something?Also, when does this take place exactly? During the Brotherwar, correct? If that's the case, the "THEIR VILE RELIGION" bit doesn't make a whole lot of sense, since the religion aspect doesn't get introduced into the Imperium in any real way until after the Siege of Terra.
>>54028274The issue with Tijos opinion on a rampage may be easily resolved by simply they have no choice. Perhaps they try to return to Imperium first but are attacked on sight because they are CoH.Then realise only Gyahdread will offer safe haven.
>>54029503>when does this take place exactly?This is at least a few years after Chaos tips their hand, goes after Terra, the Ruinstorm begins, Chaos loses their fight and is pushed back to the Eye. Maybe only a couple years before the storm would have broken anyway, like 15-18 years after it begins.The tl;dr of this hypothetical timeline is that Emil fucked up. He fucked up good. He jumped the gun, came to Terra "too soon" and thereby paid the price for putting his Legion in an untenable position. And it was probably the machinations of the Gods that led him to that point, because he denied them once and they wanted to "correct" that error. From their perspective, he and the Steel Souls should always have been a Traitor Legion, but by sacrificing all 4 limbs to fend off the 4 Gods as an infant, Emil bought himself time without their corruption. It draws a parallel with his homeworld too, because the Gods wanted Nonimat the planet as well as Nonimat the star, but only got the star. They wanted Emil the Primarch but had to settle for only eating bits and pieces of him when they expected a meal. So they found the one lever that could move Emil, the fear of his Legion being destroyed. And then you wind up with a Daemon Primarch of Chaos Undivided (because all 4 Gods have equal claim to him and none are willing to rescind their share, of course) whose Legion remains Separatist. I thought that might be interesting, since there's no Traitor Primarch/Loyal Legion or Loyal Primarch/Traitor Legion in canon, Alpharius/the Lion memes notwithstanding.Does it make sense? Is it good writing? Should it be part of our alt-canon? That's where you guys come in. I don't think I can unilaterally make that decision, the idea has to stand on its own.
>>54031264I absolutely love your writing dude. I've sid that time and again now, I feel like a child writing by comparison haha.I don't mind you doing this if it's the path you want to go. It seems interesting to me.I'm not aure how others feel but I don't mind. If you can make it work roll with it.
>>54031264It makes sense as a story. Like I said, it's very well written. I'm personally against muddling the factions , but that's not really up to me.
>>54031863Personally, I think the factions will be fine. The Legion stays in place.My question is who will lead them?Or who will Emil lead as a Daemon?But I do think it is a neat way to get rid of one of our mosy powerful Primarchs for 10k years.
So, the Emprah lets the Astartes drink alcohol?
>>54033508There's plenty of alcohol drinking in the Horus Heresy novels, so yeah.