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>>53787726
FUCKING DAMNIT FUCKING SHIT FUCKING DAMN IT!

Thread 29

TWENTY FUCKING NINE!

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>>53787726
So it's just wh40k with feminism insted of grimderpness, right?

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>>53788220
No. The grim has been replaced with nobility.

Feminism would be going in entirely the opposite direction.

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>>53788335
holy kek

wtf is that?

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>>53788419
that's merely a tip of an iceberg

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>>53788419
Requiem Vampire Knight. I'm limited to what I can post because much of it is very NSFW.

>>53788462
That's more 40k than Eversor and other grimdark shat.

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>>53788419
>>53788627
Isn't it just lovely?

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Too bad the part where she asks for an autograph in her back over her ass isn't on the same page.
He writes "destroy after use".

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>>53788627
Eversors as they are in Vanilla would probably be way too grimderp for this AU.

I'm going to suggest that they are what happens when you training of a grammaton cleric from Equilibrium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_JGI0JhCkQ

But instead of training them how to sniff out dissent they are trained in additional combat techniques. Assassins don't choose their targets, that's what the Inquisition and the Arbiters are for.

Then they are cybernetically enhanced but not to the point where they couldn't pass for human to a casual observer.

Then they are given temporary buffs when they go in for the kill by performance enhancing drugs.

The end result is not quite The Terminator, it's not quite a Grammaton Cleric and it's not quite and agent from Syndicate but it has quite a lot of elements from all of them.

They are as altered for their task as a space marine if not more so but built for speed and offensive above all else. The final stage of the job, the closing in and the kill, must be done reasonably quickly due to the drugs. They don not kill the assassin usually but the withdrawal will often have them curled up in the bottom of a closet weeping and/or shivering.

They are expensive and time consuming to produce but they can go through a room of lesser combatants like a hot knife through runny butter. And they are volunteers.

For all that even with the best medical care and no workplace fatality they probably won't live much past 50 at the very most. But the pay is holy shit levels of good and much as Mortarion volunteered for Thunder Warrior treatments it's usually for the benefit of their families that they do it.

>>53788945
Probably. I keep thinking of a Nobledark Eversor as a weird cross between Bender Rodriguez and John Wick. Does horrible things for a living, and is completely non-chalant about it. Like "yeah, Uncle Eversor kills people for a living, wanna see my skull collection?" Though that may be the wrong idea.

The Asssassins, despite having cleaned up their act, are still monsters. They are habitually neat, well-groomed, and efficient monsters, but monsters nonetheless. No matter how much they try, there is always that dark streak in them. Draco Vangorich was hinted at having tried pulling the Beheading so that the history of the shameful origins of the Assassins could be destroyed and the order could start fresh. He failed.

As mentioned in the assassin fluff, they're essentially Hashshashin that cleaned up their act and became civilized enough to fit in with the rest of society. Just civilized enough. They're a religious sect pretending to be a government organization. Given the nature of their job, I assume modern assassin...er...beliefs might tend towards Faceless Man or movie!Wanted-esque "kill one person, save a thousand".

On the nice end you get people like LIVII who have a huge body count but yet still have a soft side. On the other you get people that Conrad Kurze would have found over the top.

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>>53788945
>>53790407

Just to throw out some more ideas, I once read a cracky AU with an Eversor who managed to be both oddly endearing and pants-wettingly terrifying. Seemed downright friendly with people who weren't targets, never raised his voice once, meant every word that came out of his mouth, absolutely believed in what he was doing. He was extremely memorable.

Alternatively, pic related. (It STILL weirds me out, but again, memorable!)

So does the little snip on Captain Ahab's 'spear' last thread counts?

>>53792390

Aka the Heartseeker

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An idea for a Dark Mechanicus faction. More to follow, hopefully.

>Heretekal sects of the Dark Mechanicus

>The Church of the Omnissiah-Beyond-The-Horizon/"Visserites"
An offshoot of the merely heterodox Tiplerite sect. The Tiplerites believed that the Omnissiah did not exist- yet, but needed to be built, the final end goal of the quest for knowledge. The Visserites got the brilliant idea to try and accelerate the process by building a machine that would receive messages from the future Omnissiah through the warp, instructing them on how to bring itself into existence.
It worked, after a fashion. They started getting messages from... something.
Although they make heavy use of warptech, they seemingly have no affiliation with any of the gods or even Chaos Undivided; whatever they're talking to, it's something more strange and obscure than that, something from out in the Chaos Wastes.
Even by Dark Mechanicus standards, the constructions of the Visserites are strange and disturbing. They tend to incorporate human (specifically human- xenos are utterly unsuitable for the creation of human machines) tissues seamlessly into the electronics and ironmongery. Many components are utterly incomprehensible, their principles of operation entirely alien. The goals of these machines and procedures, likewise, is often obscure; whatever distortions they have on the world around them, they usually seem to be mere side-effects of their actual purpose. Whatever that might be.
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>>53793775
(These devices undoubtedly use the powers of the warp, but it should be noted that they are not daemon engines. The Visserites do not deal with daemons; they have other sources of power.)
When the Visserites have held a world long enough, scarred enough of its surface with their machines, it becomes... daemon-ish. Not precisely a daemon-world, since the Visserites don't use daemons. But a similar blending of the real and unreal. Impossible machines fading into existence out of thin air. Bastard offspring of Escher, Giger, and the complete contents of a patent office. Sometimes subtle enough that you need to really pay attention to realize you've gone a level beyond the usual Dark Mechanicus bullshit.
Generally, when you blow up enough of the stuff the effect goes away again. Generally.

Thoughts?

>>53793775
>>53793803
>tune in to hell
>do what the sounds over the radio tell you
devilishly simple, to the point of real menace. Sounds good to me.

>>53793803

Creeepy. Excellent specimen of those "What the hell is this, where did it come from, how do we get rid of it" phenomena that crop up in canon occasionally. Sounds like a good addition to me, too.

>>53792390
Yes. It was good fluff.

>>53793803
>>53793775
That is some really weird shit. It also adds a faction for even Chaos to be wary of.

>>53790407
>>53788945
Vindicare are probably more like the Sniper from TF2; polite, professional but with a plan to kill everyone they meet.

Unlike the Eversor they are generally as human as the day they were born with any alterations done purely to undo damage sustained on the job.

Or if they save up enough they can have their lungs and heart replaced with something that doesn't keep fucking up their aim. But that's a personal decision done in their off time funded by their own pocket.

All that is required of the Vindicare is inhuman patience, an insane attention span, the ability to determine where to perch and wait for the target and excellent aim. all things that can be done by a baseline human, if an exceptional one.

Other than the Vanus and the Callidus they are the most capable of passing for normal, if slightly odd.

I feel like I should do some stuff for Lorgar. Because holy shit there has been no work on him at all.

>>53797281
There was some talk of him joining the Jedi Jesuits towards the end of his career/life.

This being after the break up and wide distribution of his Legion some time after the WoTB.

>>53797281
>>53798040
Yeah, the stuff on Lorgars latent psykery from thread...9...I believd needs to go on the notes page but never did.

Do the Blood Angels still drink blood in this AU?

>>53798961
Do you remember what was said about it in that thread?

>>53798969
only ceremonially in most cases

>>53799974
I'm guessing that it's a Baalite influence.

Is Baal recruited from by multiple chapters?
Given the low population it couldn't provide for multiple chapters exclusively.

So it would imply, should the blood drinking practice be widespread, that the Baal influences have spread beyond one world.

So it implies that most of not all Blood Angels recruit from a common pool, supplied by many worlds and the Baal influences spread that way.

>>53796828

>generally as human as the day they were born with any alterations done purely to undo damage sustained on the job

Wouldn't that preclude use of the canon Exitus rifle? I read somewhere that they need muscular reinforcement just to fire those things without hurting themselves, though I admit I'm not sure if my source was an official one anymore...

>>53801533
Baal is a lifeless rockball in this timeline. Blood Angels claimed it when it was clear that Sanguinus was gone and they had to move on, and named it Baal after Sanguinius Baal to show that they were all symbolic sons or brothers of Sanguinius.

>>53799902
To make a long story short, Lorgar was a latent psyker, probably second strongest among the primarchs. He never noticed. Magnus figured it out, but he noticed it while he was still mistrustful of others and never said anything.

Lorgar avoided daemonic possession because he was so full of faith combined with his psyker powers he was like a living daemon bane. He would sing hymns and daemons would tear at their ears screaming. This was exacerbated by him joining the more monastic higher-ups of the Katholian secs, who were like 50% cardinals and 50% buddhist monks. They didn't want to let him in, but Lorgar had accomplished so much it was hard to keep him out. A side effect was that Lorgar became extremely ascetic. When he died his personal possessions could fit in a single box.

>>53803395
So no native Baalites then.

Why did they choose that world to set up shop?

>>53803492
what were his personal possessions that he decided to keep?

>>53802867
I hadn't realized that the Exitus rifles were that heavy. Not doubting but have you got sauce?

Skeletal reinforcement and some muscular enhancements cover it maybe?

Also has it ever been stated or speculated where polymorphine comes from?

>>53796828
That's more describing a very impressive Death Cult assassin, rather than a capital-A "Assassin," who are all augmented in canon. While a baseline human could be very skilled, a Vindicare is on a whole other level, like "circumcise-a-fly-from-1km" level of shooting skill which a baseline human simply can't reach. As it stands, canon Vindicares could probably fit into this AU without a whole lot of editing, other than the whole kidnapping children recruitment process.

>>53788945
>>53790407
While this makes sense, it seems like it loses the flavor of Eversors though. I mean we all love them because they're insane human missiles crossed with blenders that cackle as they explode. Maybe they're condemned criminals who are compatible with the augments and modifications? Can't be a worse fate than servitorization.

>>53801533
Yeah, there's no warp shenanigans or physical flaw they makes the BAs drink blood like in canon. They could drink blood ceremonially in this AU as a (gross) reminder of the lives they are dedicated to protect, the blood they will shed, and the ultimate sacrifice each of them will eventually make.

>>53803395
>>53803517
Don't think this was ever stated in the fluff. Is there a comment in a thread regarding Baal?

>>53806343

I went looking again, and weirdly, the Lexicanum gives no specs at all that I found.

The wikia, though, has this to say re: the *pistol* version:

>The recoil from an Exitus Pistol is such that only a Vindicare's enhanced musculature allows them to fire the weapon one-handed

and I'd assume that the rifle kicks a hell of a lot harder, so even if you're properly braced, OUCH.

>>53806458
>While this makes sense, it seems like it loses the flavor of Eversors though. I mean we all love them because they're insane human missiles crossed with blenders that cackle as they explode. Maybe they're condemned criminals who are compatible with the augments and modifications? Can't be a worse fate than servitorization.

Condemned criminals you run a serious risk of them turning and WRRRYYY!-ing you. I would say that the above is what happens when you get an Eversor who wants to be "friendly" and subtle. Many aren't. Even on their best behavior, they're still murder machines that aren't safe to be around and are disturbingly uncomfortable.

Seeing as the Assassins are already kind of a death cult, Eversors could be people who want to be a murder machine, the embodiment of death at its most violent (including, eventually, their own). People look at these guys even weirder than they do Space Marines, because while most can see where someone would want to be Captain America, what kind of mind do you have to have to want to be Spawn? Eversors are comparatively chill because they're at ease with the fact that death comes to everyone, but they still turn into exploding whirlwinds of violence the moment you flick the switch.

>Baal

It was brought up a couple of times in the thread, namely how the Blood Angels ended up on a world with the same last name as their primarch.

>>53806343
>>53807175

whoops. Turns out my source...

>a full one point eight seven meters long when fully deployed, nearly as tall as the man carrying it, weighing eight kilograms unloaded, a full nine loaded
>Ordinary human beings do not hold a rifle in one hand, and a pistol in the other. Much less a rifle designed to pound a near kilogram round across a battlefield to, if necessary, blow apart a monstrosity spawned of nightmares and the unholy vagaries of the Warp. The pistol was little better than a sized down version of the rifle. This is because it might break your arms.

...was actually Love Can Bloom. O'course, I don't own any of the actual game books, so maybe Bloom Writer had a source, but I can't verify it.

Still, the wikia confirms that they kick like grox, and I've read of much smaller real-life rifles that'll bruise your shoulder something dreadful, so we can still assume that this is a serious whopper of a gun.

>>53793803
>Heretekal Sects of the Dark Mechanicus, part two
>The Malevolence Engine
Dedicated to destruction, to a degree unusual for the Dark Mechanicus. Where most heretek sects have goals beyond pure destruction, the Malevolence Engine does not; they exist solely to destroy societies. The Imperium is the most common target, but other forces of Chaos, the Silent Empire, minor xenos... everything is a valid target.

The psychology of the Malevolence Engine is reflected in their most common chant: "The Malevolence Engine sees all weakness!" Interrogations of captured subjects indicates that they feel compelled to exploit any flaw they perceive, whether military, economic, social, psychological, architectural...

To this end, they make far greater use of infiltration than any other Dark Mechanicus sect, or indeed almost any faction. Using a sophisticated array of mind control devices, front corporations, suborned criminal organizations, etc. they insert agents into all levels of Imperial society to gather information and attack from within. They carefully gather intimate knowledge of their target before attacking along every possible avenue, ruthlessly exploiting every weakness.

The actions of suborned merchant houses combine with short-sighted sector fiscal policy to cause a sector-wide economic meltdown. As prices rise and jobs vanish, revolutionary groups arise on a hundred worlds simultaneously, overwhelming law enforcement with surprisingly well-planned attacks. Hamstrung by logistical issues, the sector military struggles to resist; the few counter-offensives they manage to mount are crushed by an enemy with absolute mention of their doctrines. As populations collapse into hysteria as news of defeat after defeat leaks past the censors, charismatic demagogues stoke the flames higher and higher...
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>>53812761
They rarely manage anything on that scale. The Inquisition is vigilant, the Farseers far-seeing. But every so often, the chance comes along, the flaw left exposed... and worlds die.

Although generally considered a Chaos force, they follow no god; the Malevolence Engine cannot stand to subordinate itself to something so clearly flawed. It would destroy the gods if it could, but it cannot. So it is Undivided, grudgingly. Because what it wants cannot be achieved without the power of the warp.

Thoughts?

>>53812761
>>53812770
Not bad, but seems to be only tangentially related to the Mechanicus. Hard to say how it advances knowledge since at its basis the Dark Mechanicus still follows that aim, they're just willing to go farther and delve into knowledge that the normal Mechanicus would shun.

>>53812770
It is good
. A credible threat of back stabbing asshole that are not Big Bird

>>53813015
Maybe they are EXTREME stress testers.

>>53812770
they seem like Malal worshipers. Malal is himself subordinated to Khorne, but these looneys could be some of his few followers in aimless malice and pointless obliteration.

>>53805163
I think, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, that the box was the size of a shoe box and contained

Very old letters from long dead Kor Pharon
A plastic religious icon on a cheap plastic necklace that his parents gave him when he went to join the clergy
1 extremely old bottle of wine, possibly the last of any AoS vintage
and a few other knickknacks of no importance to anyone else accumulated over his long life.

>>53806458
>>53807938
I think the idea was to try and make the Assassins less grimderp.

If we are going Nobledark then they would have to be volunteers rather than abductees or specially groomed child soldiers. So then begins the task of making a willing volunteer end up like something not unrecognizable as like the Vanilla version but with the grumdurp removed.

Given that it was previously stated that religion/race lines are getting slightly runny around the edges. Some bonesingers see Vaul and Omnissiah as the same thing (laughing_dragon.holo) so it is not soo unlikely that some humans feel drawn to Khine. Calgar a few threads back got along well with Khine, death cultists are still a thing and maybe those sorts of people would have less of a problem about signing up with the Assassins.

It is possible that LIVII in this AU holds Khine in some measure of veneration or is part of a milder death cult. Or not. Who knows.

The Venenum and Callidus assassins could by 999M41 have reformed to the point where they are, in addition to their standing and duties in the Officio Tacitum, they also offer a lucrative side business in educating the nobility much like the Discworld Assassins Guild. The actual Assassins are the ones who opt to do the Dark Curriculum, though the really deadly fuckers are the ones who get in on the scholarship program.

>>53807938
Baal could have been discovered, back in the Dark Age, by a possible very distant ancestor of Sangy.

Bump

>>53816973
The only thing is the Assassins existed long before Earth made contact with the Eldar.

No bonesingers sees the Dragon and Vaul as the same thing. It's more like the dragon wants to take over his old "friend"'s job on behalf of his people whether those people like it or not. But that's a moot point at the moment because he has to get out of his cage first.

>>53819876
I don't think that the Bonesingers see Vaul as the Dragon because they don't know that Omnissiah is Dragon.

What is buried on Mars is not known to many.

It will be a strange day for everyone when they find out.

Are there non-malevolent warp entities hiding out in the Chaos wastes?

Could there be?

>>53822781
Malal's scattered daemons leftover from the War in Heaven are by definition malicious, there was mention of Savlar's small gods being skanky daemon junkies from the wastes, and the daemons gathered around Bel'akor can be contracted much more cheaply than those around the big four.

>>53823542
I was thinking more on the lines of "friendly". Did the eldar gods have deamon equivalents?

>>53823792
the small gods are friendly, and you're free to float whatever ideas you have

>>53822781
I would say unlikely. Not because there can't be, but rather because the Warp is a pack of frenzied sharks right now and it's not safe to be in the water.

A lot of independent beings signed up with Be'lakor when Chaos started getting big and expanding into the Wastes. As a result, Undivided daemons are a diverse bunch, as opposed to the rather single-themed followers of the Big Four.

The best chance I could see for any real small gods (as opposed to hallucinations or beliefs that don't have an entity backing them up) would be entities that have taken partially physical form somewhere, like that bullshit they gave about the World Spirit of Fenris in Warzone Fenris.

I would keep them to a minimum though. Nobledark is about "us against the darkness" or something similar, and having a ton of independent planet-sized entities backing the Imperium dilutes the "Citadel of Civilization" feel and the fear of the unknown. While it may be that one day the galaxy will be safe again for massive-scale exploration and discovery, today is not that day.

Or maybe I'm looking at it too narrowly, I dunno.

>>53824980
>Nobledark is about "us against the darkness" or something similar, and having a ton of independent planet-sized entities backing the Imperium dilutes the "Citadel of Civilization" feel and the fear of the unknown. While it may be that one day the galaxy will be safe again for massive-scale exploration and discovery, today is not that day.
The citadels of civilization thing could actually work pretty well with minor embodied spirits, like the junkie spirits of Savlar embodied in some of the mind-altering exotic matter in the runoff from the neutronium process, as little gods of the hearth or patrons of cities in classical style. This might also incorporate the 'memories/princedom from Isha' instilled in worthy subjects, and demigods of smithing and huntsmen go pretty well with the whole survival civilization vibe.

Also, it would be fun to include the Severan Dominate as a violent oppressive enclave that is trying to break away from the imperium and holding on through grimderp pseudo-pragmatism.

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>>53826264
There was a suggestion for the Severan Dominate in an earlier thread that because of the Dominate's position, they have never really experienced the worst the galaxy has had to offer. They've had to deal with Q'orl invasions and Blood Pact raids, and think that tyranids and Black Crusades are the same scale of problems that have been exaggerated by the Imperium and shell-shocked soldiers.

They see the Imperium as using the tyranids, Necrons, Chaos, and Brain Boyz as boogeymen used to justify the incredibly high costs placed on worlds like the Dominate to support worlds like, say, Cadia. They think the Imperium is overexaggerating the threat and that they can survive perfectly well on their own. They have no idea the kind of rapetrain that is out there in the darkness.

Of course, the issue is that canon Severan Dominate is pretty close to the Eye of Terror, and should know what a Black Crusade looks like.

Beyond that, the "surviving through grimderp in the name of pseudo-pragmatism is basically what the idea boiled down to".

>>53823792
The only difference between a warp god or benevolent spirit and a daemon is motivation.

Intentionally created Warp Gods also tend to have a bit more structure in how they behave. The stories and the old ideals give them a framework in which they can naturally expand and grow. They're basically created to naturally grow and change as individuals like mortals. As a result, wholly immaterial gods like Isha and Khaine have more aspects to their personality than "waifu" and "murderhobo", respectively (though it is hard to tell with Khaine).

Compare this to the Big Four, who are essentially cancerous and single-minded. They have a hard time perceiving things outside their domain, as well as growing as individuals. They also have a hard time being consistent, because they have trouble doing things beyond "gets them more emotions to get high". As an example, Nurgle had the opportunity to develop as an individual beyond "the Preserver" when he rescued Isha, or when he experienced personal despair for the first time when she was rescued. But he rejected that opportunity, ironically because he is a god of stagnancy.

Do the eldar know how to strengthen the subway or repair damaged sections?

>>53829628
There is also the issue that the Imperium can't afford to let them leave.

If the Imperium allows a state to leave then others in a similar position will leave. If they all piss off it's going to be a small number of worlds holding up a large number of fortress worlds that are keeping the monsters out.

The walls fall through lack of support and monsters get in and the Imperium gets annihilated and, and here is the real kicker, those worlds that ran away realize their folly only after it's too late to possibly going anything about it and everyone is dead and there is no hope for meaningful survival of any member of the Imperium.

So whilst cutting Severan Dominate loose to avoid a war with them and letting them get orked would be a considerable short term gain for the Imperium it would also hang them slowly.

>>53827787
Taldeer would be the most horrifying mother in law. She's a psychic and can see the future. She knows exactly what you have been doing to her daughter.

>>53810726
>source was actually LCB
My sides have been lost to the warp

>>53830847
Sort of. They know how to slap a big band-aid on sections and call it a day, but the don't know how to make more sections or repair a section that is too badly damaged.

Think of a car. Many people know how to change a tire or perform some slapdash fix to get it running again, but they have to go to a mechanic if something major happens like the engine craps out. Now imagine all the mechanics are extinct.

The eldar didn't make the Webway, and despite being light-years ahead of anyone else in operating it they still don't know all its secrets. That's why the eldar don't want unlimited human access to the webway; they're afraid that many minds in the Webway will break it in a way they can't fix.

>>53834865
One of the possible futures of The Imperium that the Royal Couple is aiming for is that the Cthonian Ring get turned into the ultimate agri-world. It's one Earth circumstance thick and ~one astronomical unit radius.

You set up a railway/mag-lev system from there to all of the hive worlds via the web-way and there is no more famine in the Imperium. Also the Imperium becomes a very much smaller place with helping hands just a train ticket away.

It has been mentioned that one of the reasons why Dark Age humanity never tried to take on the Old Eldar Empire was because the entire empire was in effect within walking distance. The Imperium wants that, but for practical reasons rather than just chest thumping.

So do Lugganath and the Silver Skulls. Lugganath's aim is to settle the webway as a village at each intersection rather than one FUCK HUEJ Dark City. Silver Skulls patrol it due to their links to Lugganath and probably have bought into the vision.

How many 40k AUs are there now?

>>53836966
Imperium Asunder
Darkhammer
Siege of the Eye
BrightHammer
The Ship Moves

>>53837081
There's that Warmasters' Triumvirate one as well.

>>53837081
You forgot the Hektor Heresy.

>>53837097
Thank you,

Now I know how ' works in relation to plurals. I'm not even joking, though I wish you were. Dyslexia is a fucking stupid deformity of the brain.

>>53832753

Now I'm wondering, have they actually tried to explain this to the Dominate?

>>53834000
>She knows exactly what you have been doing to her daughter.
she knows preemptively, and acts accordingly even before you do it

>>53838760
The Dominate is predicated specifically on Imperator Severan's express refusal of that explanation

>>53838760
>>53838962
The idea would be that the Imperium tried explaining things to the Dominate, but the Dominate didn't believe them. They've never seen a real war. They think Grimtoof Git-Slaver is on the same level as Ghazghull. When they hear about innumerable hordes of insectoid xenos, they say "we have those too, they're called the Q'orl". They think the local Necron enclave led by Bumfuck the Insignificant is what the Imperium is facing on a galactic scale (that is, a bunch of small enclaves popping up out of nowhere), not knowing about the massive stellar empire being created by the Silent King in the galactic east and northeast centered around the Sautekh Dynasty.

They're the equivalent of someone fighting in the Africa during World War I hearing about what was going on in No-Man's Land and finding it too ridiculous to believe. They're the logical extension of someone hearing of how the galaxy really works and finding the truth to be more ridiculous than fiction.

The Severan Dominate is also said to be a bit of an ego trip in canon for the Severus family.

The issue with that is they're explicitly said to be right next to the Eye of Terror, though Calixis is to the west I believe. So they would be in prime Black Crusade territory.

Interestingly, where it is in the Segmentum Obscurus is right on the border between the Segmentum Obscurus and Pacificus, meaning they would be close enough to be neighbors of the Q'orl and Blood Pact.

>>53788335
>Women only tolerated men because they were being oppressed by count Dracula
CANT ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC!

>>53835884
Bonus points for the fact that it would be a huge "fuck you, this does work" from the Emperor to Horus, who had predicted that the Imperium would naturally evolve into a collection of confederated peoples united by common goals rather than a single empire.

Although the Skulls have a close association with the Webway, I doubt they would actually patrol it. You would think the Eldar (particularly the Harlequins) would be able to police the Webway on their own, like in canon (though canon doesn't have the Croneworlders). It was also mentioned that only the Grey Knights and Inquisition along with a few others have unrestricted access to the Webway. The Silver Skulls could be guarding human exits to the Webway. The Eldar can take care of their parts well enough, but tons of Imperial worlds have Webway exits, and you need someone to shoot anything unauthorized that tries to come out. Skulls as IW descendants would be perfect for this kind of fortifying.

Because the Skulls, being engineers, see the Webway with respect as opposed to treating it as a "magic space highway" like much of the Imperium, the Eldar like the Skulls better than most Space Marine chapters. The Skulls might also go through more psychic training than most chapters for the times when they do have to enter the Webway. The Grey Knights may be the Astartes group with the least damaging effect on the Webway, but when reinforcements have to be called in the Eldar prefer the Silver Skulls. In the unthinkable event that a civil war does happen in the Imperium along human/Eldar lines, the Silver Skulls would be in the awkward position of being on the Eldar side of the equation like Valhalla, having closer ties to the Eldar than the rest of humanity.

>>53839945
the fact that the character in that scene is a ghoul means she's a hypocrite on top of being a significant sinner, and the women she refers to being vampires means they are gleefully and intentionally perverse and evil in their own sight.

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>>53840732
Add to that the Draculas don't oppress anyone. They just employ people to govern for them and they choose to employ oppressive methods entirely of their own volition. Like all modern western feminists she creates victims so she can feel like she is saving someone from something.

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>>53840965
She's also begrudgingly employed by J. Edna Hoover, the bloated undead hypocrite-pirate-blimp queen of hell, and the most reasonable, sane characters in the series are the Elric-esque self-hating Nazi vampire reincarnation of a satan-worshiping crusader and his jewish holocaust-ghost resistance leader/witch girlfriend, and possibly the blood banking demonic soul of alister crowley.

In general Requiem is too metal to be any sort of social commentary, because even the relatively simple truism of 'the people in hell are bad' is hacked apart by the absolute schizophrenia of the setting as everything from everywhere is shot at everything.

On the other hand, its perfect inspiration for what life is like on the Crone worlds, where the average lunatic has the resources of hell and a post scarcity society lying around to be put to horrible use.

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>>53841505
The difference being that in Resurrection, or at least in the part of it ruled by Dracula, all technology of the Old World had to be buried and cast away by law.

The Croneworlders on the other hand are all for getting hold of the old toys of their old empire and the left over relics of the Old Ones.

>>53841866
to be fair, the Scion Marshal Arrotyr does horde a good deal of the ancient battleships, death rays, and agony beams for his personal faction.

So.. work on the Blood Pact next??

>>53834000
>>53838929

I don't know with you guys, but I think the highborn noble looking guy at the pic of >>53827787 looks like a good candidate to court Lofn. Taldeer and LIVVI's daughterfu.

>>53845769
Lofn isn't born yet as of 999.M41. Any ideas regarding Lofn's later life fall under the category of possible yet not determined alternate futures, as with everything else post M41.

>>53844842
We have a bit on the Blood Pact already. Namely that they were a region of space being uplifted by the Imperium that got corrupted by Doombreed. They're currently one of the most dangerous groups of the Lost and the Damned, given that they actually hold worlds and have a manufacturing base rather than being Cronedar cannon fodder.

>>53846242
Also Doombreed is the daemon prince ascended from the last prince of Ursh, and he makes a point of harassing and agonizing the primarchs that overthrew him in life, and he's fucking obnoxious.

>>53846691
Yes, this is correct. Doombreed is an ass.

He especially harassed Magnus, but that was less because Magnus was the primarch that pissed him off the most and more that he was the one who lived the longest. Magnus and Doombreed's last fight was the one that created the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and ended up killing the already elderly Magnus in the exertion a few weeks after the battle.

What do we have on Doombreed while he was mortal? Doombreed seems to have been particularly creative as far as the despots went, seeing as he gave the Warlord trouble despite ruling a fragmented empire and incorporated some of Ursh's worst ideas into Chaos.

>>53846866
He had the very finest Ursh could offer since birth, and was never tainted by the smear of Imperial thought. His wit was tzeentchian, his strength khornate, his steadfastness nurglite, and his refinement slaaneshi. The Prince of Ursh is alike to a great and ancient sage in wisdom, but more handsome and virile, he is also alike to a great warrior of ancient song upon the battlefield, but his song does not end. His words are pearls, and he makes the future as he wishes.

Just discovered this universe you fellas are creating. My favourite legion is the Alpha Legion. So what happened to Alpharius-Omegon?

>>53847342
That almost sounds like a dark reflection of Sanguinius.

>>53847417
Sort of tough to answer, since Alpharius and Omegon were deliberately left extremely vague, but they were instrumental in founding the Inquisition this time around instead of Malcador, who served as more of a wise father figure and moral compass to the Emps. The "current day" Alpha Legion is still around and essentially are sneaky gits who collect intel and run black ops to keep the Imperium safe.

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>>53847496
>That almost sounds like a dark reflection of Sanguinius.
that was not my intention

>>53846866
Well, two things I recall about daemon princes: one, they're elevated to that status while alive (for certain values of alive), and they're generally elevated for a specific act- after a lifetime of distinguished service to Chaos, but they need to do something particularly impressive to push them over the edge.
Thus, Doombreed probably did something staggering Chaotic while still fighting the Warlord on Earth, and would likely have been Oscar's first real encounter with the daemonic.

>>53847417
this gets a good portion of it >>53847496, but misses a bunch too. The Alpha legion is vaguely what anon described, there's also the Omega legion, which is a black-site sort of deniable asset organization that is technically outlawed in the Imperium in the few places that don't outright deny their existence or don't actually know. They might or might not do shit like chaos false-flags, infiltrating the warp, and other stuff that is strictly off record. There are also non-astartes assets, even guard companies, officially earmarked for Alpha legion use, but nobody can tell you shit about them either, just that they exist on paper. Or there might not be any Omega legion at all, and its just coincidental names and rumor.

There's also reference to The Hydra, nobody but the highest of Imperial officials could say if its an organization unto itself, another collective name for the Imperium's millennia old spy apparatus, or a proverbial reference describing the nature of the same. Whatever it is, the many heads of the Hydra are said to vie against and stand among the Illuminate league, and the word often comes up describing the high command of any given ordo when in interservice rivalry, and also rarely in official matters of the emperor's metaphysical nature. The Illuminate are known to be a loose secert congress of high officials, officers, inquisitors, magos, and scholars that grasp the ancient history of the Great and Bountiful Human Empire of the Iron Minds, and the current emperor's nature in relation to such. The Hydra has been called the Emperor's check on the illuminate, but that again could just be proverb from galactic politics.

Alpharius-Omegon themselves are an enigma. There have been spymasters that claim both names, official histories that read like children's books and name them the brothers that founded the inquisition, Fulgrim's backstory has two agents named Ozzy and Ames appear as nebulous fixers as early as the unification.

>>53847586
well he probably had a backup b-grade Magnus at his disposal at very least.

>>53847741
I thought of some theories as to what the Hydra might be, not to actually say what it is but to have various out-there plots imagined by the illuminate conspirators that worry about Oscar being a Man of Gold.
>they're the Emperor's extra secret service that exist solely to act as stagehands to execute all the various coverups and ruses to hide or discredit any number of generals' or magos' pet conspiracy theories
>They're an even more secret and ancient Terrawatt Clan conspiracy to mind control the Emperor and use their pet Man of Gold to rule the galaxy to various ends
>The Hydra is other Men of Gold come from the Chthonian ring or a secret inertialess spaceship outside the galaxy (depends who's asked) to tutor and induct the Emperor in a plan to steal the Omnissiah, make the imperium slaves to their whims, etc.
>Iron Minds doing more or less the same, or playing a long con to steal all the baryonic matter in the galaxy, etc.
>Iron Minds from the warp trying to possess the noble and heroic Emperor that must be saved from the clutches of the Abominable Intelligences and repaired by whatever obscure order
>The Hydra is the Emperor's Eldar farseer cabal that came to aid his conquest and hegemony over humanity for the installation of the Eldar as a galactic aristocracy over humanity, etc.
>The Hydra is the Emperor's Man of Gold power to mind control everyone in however big an astronomical distance and thwart the given Illuminated person and vex their designs

>>53847760
There was no one even close to Magnus on Old Earth at that time.

Malcador was close in ability but only because of experience over raw power. Oscar was of comparable in raw power but was younger than either Magnus or Malcador.

Magnus was, in effect, a one of a kind mutant freak.

>>53848289
backup army of raving mad witch-priests?

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>>53848174
>The Hydra is the Emperor's Eldar farseer cabal that came to aid his conquest and hegemony over humanity for the installation of the Eldar as a galactic aristocracy over humanity, etc.

(((Eldar))) Internet Defense Force where are you? The mon-keigh know, shut it down!

>>53848318
That on the other hand I can definitely see them having as a warrior elite. I'm also imagining that The Despot as also the High Priest of Undivided Chaos.

>>53848289
Given what we know of the Navigators in this Nobledarkness it's probable that Magnus got his psychic abilities amplified by the Old One DNA inherited from his father.

>>53840055
>Bonus points for the fact that it would be a huge "fuck you, this does work" from the Emperor to Horus, who had predicted that the Imperium would naturally evolve into a collection of confederated peoples united by common goals rather than a single empire.

It still might come to be more like Horus' ideal given the Traveling Court and the changing nature of the Imperial internal setup.

Ulfrik and Logan Grimnar are forging the Fenrisian Colonies into their own diffused Ultramar and power blocs are forming in the Imperium of prominent worlds and their closely associated neighbours. Rights originally reserved for the Survivor Civs are, in some post-999M41 date, going to have to be extended to them. The structure of the Imperium will change drastically to a vast coalition of small empires rather than one big Imperium with a few little older empires incorporated into it.

The old Survivor Civs would complain that their distinction and advantages are being eroded, but they are in the minority and they trade with the newer worlds so don't complain too loud. On the whole I can't imagine Oscar being to upset by it, it's just an administrative rearrangement and expression of changing social trends. So long as the integrity and security of the Imperium is not compromised, and therefore his peoples' safety, it's all good.

The Eldar don't give a shit. Humans gonna human.

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>>53848386
>>53848174
>>53847741
And then there's Cypher who is claimed and simultaneously denied by every side.

>>53847496
>>53847741
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I was going to ask, is it possible if I can create some Alpha Legion lore for Nobledark or is that not possible?

>>53850761
So long as it doesn't contradict previous lore or go against the established theme then all is good.

>>53848174
Isn't one of the things the Illuminati are trying to do is mind control the Emperor? Ot at least some of them are.

>>53848764
Doombreed the Daemon Prince is definitely Khornate, though if he was Urshii he was probably Chaos Undivided in life.

We know how Doombreed died in his mortal life: Lorgar cut his head off in a public execution. It was mentioned that two factors in Khorne raising Doombreed to daemon princehood were that Doombreed had been a bigger butcher of a tyrant than any other person in Earth's history and Khorne found his antics hilarious and wanted them to continue for all eternity, and because he was a very personal figure to the Steward and many of his primarchs (and therefore, him being brought back was an even bigger fuck you to Oscar).

>>53851118
It was previously mentioned that the Bloodpact Worlds are not in fact purely Khornate.

The "civilian" society is either undevided or dedicated to multiple gods.

It's just that the military is 110% KHORNE ALL DAY EVERY DAY!

>>53852433
We never discussed anything like that regarding the Blood Pact. It was the Empire of Ursh and the Croneworlders who more usually followed Chaos Undivided. But when Doombreed corrupted that region of space, he would have been a Khornate daemon prince.

>>53851052
>Isn't one of the things the Illuminati are trying to do is mind control the Emperor?
of course, which is why they can't tolerate the thought of some other secret society beating them to it and not letting them do it.

>>53853660
It also probably won't work now either. The Psygraft machine was designed to work on defenceless blank slates.

>>53848764
One thing that I was going to mention last thread is the idea of letting the various power blocs set up colonies all around the Imperium is actually a rather ingenious move on the Emperor’s part, because it effectively makes it impossible for any one group to try and secede from the Imperium on unfriendly terms. Although many empires are rather geographically contiguous (e.g., Ultramar, Tau, Hubworld), their colony worlds certainly aren’t. Additionally we know for a fact that the Fenrisian Worlds and Pastoral Worlds aren’t continuous, since the inhabitants intentionally picked worlds that were similar to a less shitty Fenris and Mongolia, respectively. Similarly, the kinebrach were mentioned to prefer worlds with a lot of tropical rainforest.

This means that if any major power thinks of seceding, all of a sudden they have enclaves which hold billions of their citizens completely surrounded by a foreign power and fronts that are nearly impossible to defend. Better to just play nice with the Imperium and take advantage of the ability to move unmolested between the homeworlds and the colonies. At the same time, if a major power ever ended up falling to Chaos, the far-off colony worlds would be geographically separated enough from the homeland that not everyone would fall with them.

>>53854543
There was a suggestion that the Terminus decree in this timeline is instructions on how to activate the Golden Throne as a psygraft machine in the even the Emperor ever goes nuts and falls to Chaos. Though IIRC it was also suggested by the same poster that the Terminus decree should be ambiguous and that the Golden Throne probably wouldn't even be able to do that to a non-blank slate Emperor anymore.

>>53852743
So what is the Bloodpact view of the other 4?

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Has there been anything decided about the Ordo Chronos?

>>53859299

They are... or were, an Ordo dedicated to Chrono disfunctions and Warp shenanigans relating to time and space.

They were both hunting and being hunted by... something. There are only one last Chrono Inquisitor now - a man... founded and 'recruited' by Prince (forgot-his-name) in a blue box.

>>53859883
Why does Yriel have a blue shipping container? Is it from Ultramar?

>>53860091
Not quite.

>>53855659
>activate the Golden Throne as a psygraft machine in the even the Emperor ever goes nuts and falls to Chaos
the golden throne has definitely never done that before in this universe or canon, but that won't stop the Illuminate league from treating it as a very real option until forced otherwise.

>>53863401
Wasn't the Golden Throne that weird thing that Malcador found alongside the comatose Oscar in the MoG-making facility on Cthonia?

>>53863425
no, it was a weird artefact on old earth that the Imperium claimed and utilized. We're not really sure what it does, aside from hold the early Imperium together because horus swore loyalty to the throne and not the Steward, and many followed suit.

>>53787726

That's a pretty cringe op

>>53863425
>>53863401
The Golden Throne in this AU is just quite big shiny chair.

The Psygraft was a completely different device retrieved from the Cthonian Ring by Malcador and crew from the same facility as Oscar was found in.

>>53864144
It's a /tg/ classic saved during the last image dump of The Collector

>>53850211
And all of them are just the human ones. There is also the Cabal and the Grey Seers.

Also the Deamon Breakers.

Bumf

Did we ever decide what The Harrowing of the Forgotten Apocalypse were?

In Vanilla the Imperium went about erasing all knowledge of them bar "super bad, had to use forbidden shit to beat them. Also magnetic dust, how does that work?"

In this AU the Imperium tends to be a lot less hasty with the burning of books.

>>53864144
You're a pretty cringe OP

>>53869958
The Harrowing is remembered alongside the World Engine and other notable threats from the post-great hunt, pre-civil war spring of the Imperium, it was never erased from history and probably was subject to centuries of study across numerous worlds, but the verdict is still no more precise than "horrible eldritch Xenos from beyond the pale". They were maddening anathema even to Chaos, and were incomprehensibly mechanical even compared to the Necrons, and that's about all the scholars of the imperium know. They might say it in more words, but they're really still just grasping for a frame of reference.

We haven't mentioned the Tyrant Star yet have we?

>>53870507
I have never heard of that before. That's doom good Event Horizon shit right there that is.

Bump

>>53855659
Are there any aquatic xenos in the Imperium?

Are there any mentioned in the Vanilla?

Maybe there could be mutated Gene-stealers going full Dagon Deep Ones and not listening to the Hive. Or would that be too far?

>>53873057
While your idea in and of itself its not a bad one, I guess this is as good a time as any to post the threadly reminder (and I don't mean to single you out if you're an oldfag of this thread and already know this).

This AU looks to keep the OC to a relative minimum, only adding things that do not exist in canon like the Chaos Eldar. For things that do exist in canon, we either reinterpret them to fit the tone of the AU or keep them wholesale.

>>53873117
I suppose I should clarify and say that we add things that do not exist in canon only if they are narratively necessary.

>>53869958
>>53870507
I think we had them shooting the Harrowing dimension with a hastily converted psychic death ray from the Astronomican. Almost broke the damn thing, killed half the choir instantly, and caused ridiculous amounts of insanity and mutation in any planet within light years of the beam, including Old Earth. Steward had a "my god, what have I done" moment when he saw the fallout.

Tyrant star is thought to be Malal's dipshittery, one of the ways he is still influencing the Materium along with Apep.

Responding to the request for more CSMs, since what we have right now is pretty thin and boils down to "good guy fights bad guys then becomes bad guy." I combined this with the fact I think Urkrathos is one of the most wasted characters in canon, since he was the supposed Fleetmaster of Chaos but we only see him jobbing to Celestine on Cadia, as well as the ideas we had for historically inspired admiral characters a while back. Honestly I was pretty unsubtle about the historical reference, let me know if it breaks immersion.

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The dark legend known as Urkrathos is a name whispered with both fear and grudging admiration amongst the officers of the Imperial Navy. Yet few know he was once a good and righteous warrior of the Legiones Astartes named Yisun, and serves as a warning to how even the best of humanity can fall to darkness.

From his earliest days as a recruit of the White Scars, Yisun showed a keen mind for tactics and strategy. Through the Great Crusade and the War of the Beast he served with distinction and fervor, and by the Battle of Terra he earned his place in the elite First Company of the White Scars, the Great Khan’s Spearpoint Brotherhood, and had received his promotion to Veteran Sergeant.

As a man, Yisun was unflinchingly honest with an unswerving, almost naïve faith in the Imperial ideals of justice and equality, and in contrast with most of comrades in his Legion, Yisun favored defensive tactics exploiting terrain to its maximum advantage with heavily armored units and overwhelming firepower. Combined with his stubborn nature, Yisun often butted heads with his superiors, and his supporters within the Legion argued that he should have been promoted to Captain several times over other less worthy officers. To Yisun, however, these arguments were hot air: duty was its own reward, and he was honored to serve whether or not others recognized his efforts.

>>53874420
In the grim days of the Great Hunt and the Reclamation, the Imperial forces spread across the ashes of the galaxy to pick up the broken pieces of their Imperium, and the Legiones Astartes began to fracture in order to cover the vast expanses of space. During this time, Yisun was seconded to the 13th Company aboard the strike cruiser Divine Wind to assist the young Captain in his operations. The Captain was sharp and able, but there were whispers that he had been promoted prematurely to fill vacancies left by the War of the Beast, and thus he hungered to prove himself to his peers. The Captain’s reckless search of glory during the Hunt led to several open arguments and clashes when Yisun spoke out against the excessive risks to the men, and eventually the Captain and his command staff voted unanimously to strip the outspoken Sergeant of his rank and demote him to a Legionnaire. Many Marines within the 13th Company were outraged by the Captain’s overreach and insult against a popular and well-respected member of the First Company, and they demanded Yisun be reinstated. Yisun, however, accepted the punishment without complaint and instead urged his fellows to stand down to preserve the unity of the Company. He had faith in the judgment of the Great Khan, and knew that once they were reunited with the Legion Jaghatai would see the failings of the Captain and restore Yisun to his rightful place.

And so the Hunt went on. Months passed as Yisun fought as a common Legionnaire beside the men he once led, and all too often he had to bite his tongue when he saw the stretchers of crippled and dead of the 13th Company, casualties that perhaps could have been avoided if the Captain had only been more careful.

>>53874441
Finally, it all came to a head during an engagement against an elusive Chaos Sorcerer and his warband of Fallen the White Scars had long hunted. The 13th Company had split into two flanks to encircle the outnumbered and cornered enemy, yet as the White Scars advanced Yisun grew uneasy. He was already suspicious and wary of the advantageous terrain held by the traitor Marines, and to his horror he spotted subtle but telling signs of daemonic summoning. Without time to notify the Captain of the trap, Yisun seized command of the flank from the sergeants, who were more than willing to cede command to the honored veteran. As the Astartes of Yisun’s flank pulled together into a tight defensive circle the air was split with deafening screeches and filled with unholy light as daemons tore through seams in reality, and suddenly it was the White Scars who were outnumbered and surrounded. Rallying his men forward, Yisun led them as they hacked their way step by bloody step to the other flank where the Captain and the other Astartes were pushing back the daemons, beset on all sides.

The Captain’s confusion at seeing the other Astartes quickly became fury when Yisun’s voice rang across the vox line suggesting immediate evacuation. The Captain saw that his plan was in tatters and without the other flank in the position the Fallen sorcerer had likely escaped, and so the White Scars withdrew to their Stormravens covered by a hail of bolts from the circling aircraft.

>>53874463
Aboard the Divine Wind, Yisun was immediately arrested and thrown in the brig for court martial, and he accepted this without complaint. Even if it meant his death by execution, Yisun knew he had saved the men of the 13th Company from total annihilation. Yet he was horrified when he heard the Captain was planning to court martial the other sergeants who had aided him. Blameless men would die for his decision if he did not act, and so with great reluctance and sorrow Yisun passed a message to his supporters.

That night, as the Astartes retreated to their quarters to rest, Yisun’s men quietly donned their Power Armor and began their takeover of the ship. Most of the Astartes, confused at the sight of their brothers in full armor, did not resist when they were placed in lockdown, and those loyal to the Captain were unarmed, unarmored, and quickly overwhelmed and subdued by the mutineers. One of them, however, managed to warn the Captain, and so the Captain and his command squad barricaded themselves in the bridge, greatly delaying the mutineers until they finally blasted through the reinforced bulkhead to capture the officers.

With the ship under his control, Yisun plotted a course for the main fleet of the White Scars, intending to bring his case before the Great Khan himself. Even if he were to die for his crime, he could at least see to it that his men were spared and the Captain removed from command. Yet when the ship emerged at the fleet’s location after several weeks of warp travel, Yisun was shocked to see an armed escort of several cruisers awaiting his arrival.

>>53874480
Upon establishing vox contact, the escort’s commander demanded that Yisun power down the ship and all mutineers surrender themselves to their custody, for the Captain had managed to send an astropathic message through the company librarian before they were captured, and the entire legion knew of Yisun’s treachery. Stunned by the hate in the commander’s voice, Yisun attempted to explain his reasons, and requested an audience with the Great Khan as a veteran of the First Company. The commander flatly refused, stating that it was Jaghatai himself who had given him his orders. Reeling from the news that his Khan thought him a traitor, Yisun ordered the warp drive to be activated. The escort ships immediately fired on the Divine Wind upon detecting the energy spike, yet Yisun refused to fire back at his brothers even as men aboard his ship died from the bombardment, and finally they were able to escape to the Warp with heavy damage.

Stunned by the denial of even a chance to speak and consumed by grief at the betrayal of justice by the Great Khan he idolized, Yisun resolved to bring his case before another Primarch, for he still believed that righteousness would prevail in the Imperium, and so he plotted a course for the closest reported Primarch battlefleet. Had this Primarch been Vulkan, or Guilliman, perhaps Yisun could have returned to the fold of the Imperium and served loyally for many more years; unfortunately, the Primarch he found was unyielding Rogal Dorn.

>>53874500
The Divine Wind soon reached the fleet of the Imperial Fists and passed through the patrols without incident. When they came into comms range of the mighty Phalanx, Yisun’s request to speak with Dorn was accepted; yet when Dorn’s stony visage came up on the communications console Yisun knew something was amiss. He had barely said a few words when Dorn interrupted, and the Primarch’s eyes were chips of flint as he gazed imperiously down at Yisun and announced that Yisun and his mutineers were to be taken prisoners and returned to the White Scars to face their justice. Yisun began to protest, but Dorn growled for him to save his breath, for the Khan himself had informed his fellow Primarchs of his anger and disappointment in the once honored veteran, and before Yisun could continue his explanation Dorn ended the call.

As the Divine Wind activated its warp drive once again, it was struck by several ion bolts from the Phalanx, overloading the cruiser’s systems. As they drifted in space, Yisun could see thin red streaks emerge from the Phalanx as boarding pods hurtled towards the defenseless Divine Wind.

>>53874527
Yisun was staggered. Dorn was famed in the Imperium for his integrity; true, the man was harsh and uncompromising, but always fair and impartial. For him to utterly ignore anything Yisun said and deny him his right to speak in his own defense spat on the very ideals of Imperial law, and this was the final straw. Something within Yisun broke, and his grief became rage. For the first time he saw the hollowness of the Imperium and its ideals, that in the end rules and words meant nothing and that those in power would decide the fate of those beneath them on a whim, no better than any of the dozens of petty despots he had helped crush during the Great Crusade. The Steward and his lackeys were soft and weak, he realized, granting leeway to the powerful and letting crime and strife run rampant in the name of “compassion” and “dignity.” Sitting in the darkened bridge as his men scrambled around him, Yisun cursed Dorn and Jaghatai, cursed their hypocrisy and blindness, cursed the Imperium that he had wasted his life defending. He vowed that if he were to escape, he would spend the rest of his life tearing down the Imperium, never resting until true law and order ruled over the galaxy, enforced by his iron hand. And in the darkness of the void, something heard him and laughed.

There was a flash of light, and power surged through the Divine Wind’s systems, restoring their functionality. With full power to the engines and forward shields, the cruiser smashed through the surprised ships of the Imperial Fists, ramming past several frigates as boarding pods glanced off the recharged void shields. The Imperial Fists’ ships could not hope to match the modified engines of a White Scars strike cruiser, and soon the Divine Wind slipped beyond their range into the inky blackness of space.

>>53874554
Once they were safe, Yisun gathered his crew, and standing before the Astartes Yisun spoke of his vision, a new empire built on the ashes on the Imperium where true justice and order would rule the galaxy. Many of the Marines were swayed by his fiery words, for they too felt victimized and betrayed by their leaders, and Yisun named his band of warriors the Chosen, for they were the ones who would tear down the rotten façade of the Imperium. Those who refused to join Yisun were not harmed, to their surprise, and were allowed to disembark unarmed upon a backwater planet. All except one: the Captain received a single bolt shell to the temple, the long overdue justice that had been denied within the Imperium.

From that moment, the man who had been Yisun was dead. He cast off that name as a reminder of the shame of his past life of servitude, and in its place he took the name of Urkrathos, from an ancient myth of Old Earth in which a mortal man was betrayed by his father, king of the gods, and in vengeance crawled from Hell to the summit of the gods’ mountain to topple their corrupt kingdom.

After their flight from Imperial Fists, Urkrathos and the Divine Wind largely disappeared from the gaze of the Imperium, though the White Scars never forgot the shame of one of their finest falling to Chaos. Urkrathos did not reappear until the 1st Black Crusade, when a wing of Raven Guard ships was ambushed by a Chaos squadron led by an aged Space Marine cruiser broadcasting Great Hunt era IFF codes, its hull twisted and blackened by exposure to the Warp. The Raven Guard ships were quickly outmaneuvered by the unknown captain’s masterful tactics and only a single crippled Imperial frigate managed to limp away from the battle with word of their loss.

>>53874573
Word spread amongst the Imperium and the Chaos forces of the new warlord, and Urkrathos’ warband soon swelled with recruits as he won several of the overmatched Chaos forces rare victories against the overwhelming Imperium. His first and only defeat ever came late in the war against Abbadon, who privately remarked that Urkrathos was the finest fleet commander he ever faced and would have been a worthy Voidborn.

The 1st Black Crusade drew to a close at the final Battle of Cadia, as Abbadon gave his life high above its skies and Dorn died holding its walls far below. Urkrathos retreated with the rest of the Chaos forces into the Eye of Terror, and within their marble halls on Chogoris the White Scars added the name of “Yisun” to their ancient Scrolls of Vengeance, vowing to hunt down their wayward brother and take his head to cleanse their shame.

Over the next centuries Urkrathos consolidated his power and status as one of the preeminent Chaos Lords. He obtained his legendary battleship Testudo in a daring raid on the Imperial shipyards at Bakka, and over time he added additional weapons and reinforced its armor plating until it was a veritable fortress in space. Imperial captains and admirals quickly learned to fear the hulking black form of the Testudo and the trail of wreckages and burning ships it left in its wake.

>>53874590
Such success did not come without attention, and even as Urkrathos’ fleet grew in ships and men his rivals plotted to bring him down. He destroyed several Chaos Lords foolhardy enough to challenge him in space, and several times he survived the attentions of the White Scars when they made him the target of their Hunts. Others sought to gain his loyalty and power for themselves, including Luther, Erebus, and even Lady Malys herself, and each of them received nothing but cold refusal from Urkrathos; Erebus in particular received his response in the form of a single contemptuous backhand to the jaw when he came to the Testudo in person to negotiate. The message was clear: Urkrathos would only ever help Chaos in his own time, on his own terms, when it served his purposes.

For Urkrathos had never forgotten his vow: he and his Chosen fought not for glory or power or dark gods, but to overthrow the rule of the weak and corrupt and replace it with true order enforced by strength. To this end, they shunned the usage of Chaotic power and any exposure to the Immaterium to ensure their minds were their own. Whether this worked or not is uncertain, for none can touch Chaos and emerge unchanged, and it could very well have been that Urkrathos and his Chosen were slowly twisted as the dark gods worked in their inscrutable and insidious ways.

>>53874611
Whatever the case, it is true the Chosen were unusually disciplined and effective for Chaos Space Marines; though they lacked the power of Khornate Berserkers or the resiliency of Plague Marines, they more than made up for it in cold, precise efficiency. Worlds raided by Urkrathos and the Chosen often found the collateral damage to be quite limited for a Chaos incursion, though this would often prove to be scant relief when the targets were key logistical facilities and famine and supply shortages broke out across the affected worlds. Occasionally, Urkrathos himself would anonymously pass intelligence to the Inquisition when his rivals grew too powerful or he caught wind of particularly heinous Chaos rituals. This was not all humanitarian, of course; inevitably the offending Chaos Lord would be assassinated or the scheming cult destroyed, and Urkrathos would sweep in and absorb the surviving men and remaining resources.

>>53874660
As the millennia passed, so did Urkrathos’ dark legend grow. Imperial, Chaos, Ork, Necron, Dark Eldar, it did not matter; when their fleets opposed him, he smashed them all without hesitation or mercy. For his victories in the Black Crusades, Lady Malys named Urkrathos the Fleetmaster of Chaos, a title that he neither requested nor acknowledged.

In the infamous Battle of the Nyang Moon, Urkrathos stalemated and drove back the main fleet of the renowned Warmaster Solon, protégé and successor of Macharius, during the aftermath of the Third Macharian Crusade. Faced with an Imperial force that outnumbered him 10 to 1, Urkrathos utilized the moon, a thick asteroid field, and favorable Warp currents to restrict his enemy’s movements and neutralize the advantage of numbers. Solon found that his tactical acumen was outshined by the Chaos Lord’s planning and brilliance, and the Imperial fleet’s advance was blunted and turned back. However, Solon was ever the strategic thinker and well aware of his advantage in numbers, so as Urkrathos’ fleet was mired in battle a second Imperial fleet bypassed them and landed invasions on several key Chaos worlds.

>>53874685
Urkrathos finally met his end during the 10th Black Crusade, ironically at the end of a battle as his fleet hunted down the fleeing survivors of an Imperial battle group. In the confusion and discord of battle, the Testudo had not detected a stealthed Inquisition corvette as it pulled up into the mighty battleship’s shadow, and when Urkrathos ordered power diverted from the shields to engines and weapons for additional power to shoot down the stragglers, there was a sudden flash of light on the bridge.

Several squads of elite Grey Knight paladins materialized with a sharp crack and gust of ozone, along with a contingent of White Scars First Company veterans led by the Master of the Hunt, Kantak Khan. In the brief, frenzied melee that followed, Urkrathos was cornered and finally slain when Kantak Khan thrust the hissing blade of his power sword Moonfang through the breastplate and twin hearts of his long fallen brother. Sensing the life force ebbing from the Chaos Lord’s body and that their mission was complete, the Grey Knights immediately teleported the Imperial forces back aboard the Inquisition ship, much to the dismay and outrage of the White Scars who had come to take Urkrathos’ head. Aboard the Testudo, Urkrathos’ final, gasped words to his remaining officers were to conceal his death from the men and to never give up their cause. With that, one of the greatest threats to the Imperium had fallen.

>>53874714
The Chosen officers obeyed loyally, and for a time the Testudo operated as if nothing had happened, leading even the Inquisition to wonder if their mission had unexpectedly failed. It was not until the Testudo was boarded a second time and destroyed by a combined task force of Space Marines from five chapters did the Imperium finally confirm Urkrathos’ death, for the cunning Chaos Lord never would have fallen into such a trap. Captains around the Imperium breathed a sigh of relief, and for several millennia the Imperium thought one of its greatest foes had been vanquished.

Yet in recent days, troubling whispers have been reported by the Inquisition’s spies and extracted from captured cultists. They say a new figure has been spotted in Lady Malys’ court, a winged daemon with charred black skin calling itself Urkrathos. Some say it is indeed the Fleetmaster of Chaos himself come again, returning as a Daemon Prince to command the ships of Chaos once more and to complete his sworn task to destroy the Imperium. Others, including several captured members of the Chosen, bitterly deny this, for they say the true Urkrathos would never have accepted daemonhood and slavery to the Ruinous Powers. As ever the truth is uncertain, but if the daemon is indeed Urkrathos then woe to captains of the Imperium who must face the beast, for once again they will know the cold certainty of defeat, and the crushing, unfettered power of Chaos.

END

>>53874742
Whoops, forgot my temp nametag

Purposely left it ambiguous as to whether Urkrathos is actually back; I'm leaning towards having him be dead since its closer to the historical basis and since the Imperium shouldn't necessarily have a monopoly on honorable deaths. I'll leave it up to the reader's imagination though. I also wonder if people will spot my terrible puns/play on names.

Also I've started writing more of Angron again, no ETA yet though.

>>53874798
That was brilliant. Holy shit levels of awesome. And the question should always remain if it is him or something made in his image.

Shows that the Imperium is not some flawless utopia and it shows that the Primarchs were not without perfect. It shows them as human, which is what this AU does good.

It really, really needs to be on the 1d4chan page.

I'm glad that you're still doing the Angron stuff. If it is even half as good as that it will be great.

>>53876362
It ALSO leaves open interpretations of there being other stuff going on (at least right after the mutiny), which then snowballed, which I think is interesting in and of itself.

>>53874742

>Others, including several captured members of the Chosen, bitterly deny this, for they say the true Urkrathos would never have accepted daemonhood and slavery to the Ruinous Powers.

Unusual stance for someone affiliated with Chaos-- tho do I remember canon Kurze having a similar attitude?

>>53879014
Yep, this was the canonical attitude of the Night Lords.

>>53874420
Sounds good. The only issue is with Rogal Dorn and the Phalanx. We never really decided on the fate of the Phalanx. Whether it was still in orbit around Old Earth as in the Crusade, whether it was the ship Ollanius Pius rammed into Ullanor (since it was the biggest thing the Imperium built at that point and was in the Sol System at the time), etc. Nothing connects Rogal to the Phalanx yet in this timeline. Though that isn't in stone and could change (especially if Dornfag shows up again), just pointing it out.

Also, the idea that Kratos is still remembered in some form 20,000 years in the future is hilarious.

>>53879930

Hmm, think I need to research more.

>>53876362
Thanks homie, appreciate the kind words.

I wanted to be sure that each side was reasonable and justified in their actions, since Yisun himself is not guiltless in his own fall, and I'm glad that came across. I tried to emphasize that the Captain was actually competent and not just a bumbling oaf, and the Primarchs were more than justified in their response since it is pretty naive of Yisun to expect them to welcome a known mutineer back with open arms. Jaghatai in particular I think would take it badly; given his tribal sense of honor, rebelling against one's assigned officer would be tantamount to questioning or rejecting the judgment and authority of the Great Khan himself.

>>53879014
Yeah, pretty much the attitude of the canon Night Lords, though maybe even a step farther. I'm not totally familiar with the Night Lords, but I they occasionally accepted some Chaos blessings, whereas here Urkrathos and the Chosen shunned them to avoid Chaos' influence on their minds, with the only exception being the usage of the Warp to extend their lifespans. Then again, even the slightest touch of Chaos can lead down a dark road...

>>53879930
I'm guessing that the Phalanx is so iconic to the Imperial Fists that Dornfag will include it in his write up, if he ever does it. Is he even still around the thread?

Glad someone got one of my awful puns.

>>53882367
Maybe it's just me, but the captain didn't come off as being competent at all - which made Yisun seem more reasonable in doing what he did, yet the other Scars wouldn't have known that at all, they'd just have said captain's side of things to go by.
The meeting with the other Scars also seems a bit off, to me, in that it feels a bit too much...regular 40k, I guess. Perhaps a bit of ambiguity there might help - such as the commander being contacted knew the captain personally and so worded things harsher than they were, or perhaps just the whole ordeal made it seem worse than it was. Everything afterwards works fine, though - having mutinied and then fled after demanding to see the big boss and failing kinda puts one on the shit list, and even Dorn's bit is 'we're taking you to see the Khan, you ARE mutineers'
But perhaps I'm looking at things oddly.

>>53882576
I think those are fair points, the Captain in particular I was thinking of writing a bit more about to show his credentials but cut it in the name of narrative concision.

The Captain was meant to be somewhat like Ulysses Grant, tactically effective in achieving his objectives but didn't really give a shit about casualties. As for the meeting with the White Scars, I wanted to show that Jaghatai took this as a bit personally due to his idea of honor, as I mentioned in the post above. If Yisun had surrendered it is likely the Khan would have come to talk to him and they could have worked things out, but Yisun got spooked because he was expecting a smoother welcome and made a run for it. This does raise a bit of an inconsistency as to why Yisun didn't just surrender himself into custody if he had faith in the Khan's judgment, I may go back and take a second pass at a few passages when I have the time/motivation.

>>53882679

It showed that Yisun really isn't that trusting of the Khan's jusgement. As I see, this chapter is primarily POV of Yisun, so his opinions and perceptions of events might not be the perfect truth - exceptional! :)

>>53874798
>>53874742
That was beautiful.

Can't wait until Angron tiem.

>>53879930
Didn't we have something about it mentioned where it was damaged, not destroyed.

Pretty sure it was the Phalanx. Might have been one of the other 5 Big Bastards.

Warp engines got completely fried and it was estimated to cost so much to repair it that they left it in orbit of either Old Earth or Necromunda and used it as a Star Fort.

>>53885931
That was the Terminus Est.

So what else should there be in the Ganymede vaults?

>>53847342
I'm sure that there is a North Korea joke to be made here.

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>>53886778
I just realized you're right, and I just remembered adding a few snippets to that idea when it came up. I was about to say it ended up in orbit of armageddon, which is true, but for the Beast's war planetoid and whatever bits of warship are left from the Act of Pious. This is part of why the Armageddon system is such a focal point for major whaggs, not only does it have a strong enough warp current to transpose a crippled, moon sized space hulk from there to Old Earth, said moon sized space hulk is already there in orbit of Armageddon's star.

Is there anything in Vanilla about Kinebrach religion?

>>53873300
>Tyrant star is thought to be Malal's dipshittery, one of the ways he is still influencing the Materium along with Apep.
so roughly /tg/s usual headcanon? Any additions or details we might want to add?

Does this give Khorne some power over the tyrant star, seeing as he has something resembling Malal bound to his service, or is that fragmentary wraith of a god too depleted to avail the "Blood King of The Galaxy" of anything useful. There's been mention of Malal and the Outsider having some sort of interaction during the War in Heaven, where their natures matched up and became some sort of instantly erased paradox god or something, so the Tyrant Star might have some strange correspondence with the Outsider's sequestration sphere. The star being the entrance to the unreality in which the fully resplendent Malal of old isn't existing would be another parallel between the two self deleting gods.

>>53890916
Or it could be a doorway to where the Mandrakes call home.

Or it might be an unthing that slipped through the cracks in the Gates of Vaul.

Or it could be the soul of The Beast trying to claw it's way back.

>>53882576
>>53882679

That was my biggest problem with the story too. From what it sounded like, the captain was incompetent, refused to listen to the intel from his troops on the ground, and then got salty because when things turned into a clusterfuck one of his men managed to take charge and get the job done with a bonus of avoiding the grievous casualties rates that he had been predicting and made him look bad.

That said, I like the parts about people being biased because they only heard the captain’s side of the story, Jaghatai acting on knee-jerk single-minded emotional impulse as opposed to thinking things through (as it has been mentioned he did sometimes), and the whole making things worse because “if you were guilty, why did you run?” bit. It adds a bit of ambiguity and shows that there were legitimate reasons why someone might see Yisun and crew as mutineers, while overall still showing the primarchs being human and fucking up in their decision making.

>>53890733
There are literally about 30 pages written about the Kinebrach in all of 40k (about the same amount as the Interex, actually).

What we have written on them here indicate that the Kinebrach have (or had in M30) a relatively homogenous culture compared to humans, Eldar, and Tarellians due to population crunches during the Age of Strife. So at that time I would assume they had only a few religions. However that was 10,000 years ago, and the kinebrach have expanded since then, which leaves plenty of opportunity for new beliefs to spring up.

>>53889226
>Act of Pious

I like this term. I really do.

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>>53873057
What are the Sarharduin. In canon (specfically Rogue Trader), the Sarharduin are a race of shark-like people with a level of technology on part with that of the Imperium. As a result, while the Imperium were able to quarantine them on their homeworld, they couldn't completely wipe them out and settled for blockading the planet.

The fact that the canon Imperium weren't able to simply cyclonic torpedo them out of existence implies they have a high enough tech level to shoot down Exterminatus-grade weaponry.

Given that in canon the few Saharduin that escaped their homeworld had no problems working for Rogue Traders as mercenaries, they appear to be yet another species where in canon the Imperium shot first and then ended up pissing off a bigger foe than they expected.

Oh man just read the Savlar section of

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Member_States#Savlar

Minor nitpick: the skanky junkie daemons just don't seem... scummy enough for the planet.

>>53893183
it might be that Savlar have seen them OD as a semi-regular thing, and its not really clear if they reform and reappear. They might do a surprisingly crude, untoward sort of fairy antics to off-worlders and people from beyond their patron ridge or valley, or tap on ship's bulkheads when they come in orbit.

>>53893983
They also might not be deamons of any type.

They might not even be real.

It's just that they might be.

>>53894868
Or perhaps they really are trashy messed-up skank daemons... it's just that compared to the average Savvie they act as a voice of reason and moderation.

So how well spread is the Death Cult?Religio Mortis?

And is their depiction of Death a relentless hunter or more like the Discworld Death?

>>53896467
Well Isha protects the souls of the Imperium, Eldar and Human, in death until they can peacefully dissipate into ambient warp-stuff and re-coalesce into new souls, and has for the past ten thousand years. Death might not be the domain of Mother, but the afterlife certainly is.

In general the presence of the ironclad matron of the galaxy beside the Emperor has had a positive effect on the Imperial psyche, but in situations like Madam Jubblowski, Sororitas/Cult of Isha intersection, and possibly Death Cults as well, the influence of the mother goddess has some untoward results. When the goddess of fertility scoops up the duties of the larger part of a pantheon things get a bit venusian, and without the push of Oscar's deep tendency for the apollonian and dignified this AU would probably go too far for a blue board.

As it is, the tone of imperial culture seems kinda like a cross between Napoleonic France and Classical Rome, with upright, stately aristocrats gladly partaking in rather more corporeal, flower strewn ceremonies and celebrations and dalliances, and chortling at how enlightened it all is, and elsewhere rather bucolic early modern peasants live in good, productive accord with fairy folk.

It would probably be a cliche that, like Victorians, upper class Imperial men are never more comfortable than when they are being given a harsh talking too by their former governess.

>>53896467
I think it's less there's one death cult (since there is no martyrdom of the Emperor to repent over) and more lots of different death cults arising independently on different worlds because life in the AoS sucked. These range from Assassins-lite, to death as a benevolent deity worship, to C'tan vampire cults (you know the ones I'm talking about).

The Assassins are essentially Terra's local death cult that dialed back its murderous ways and groomed itself enough to look presentable. Others with compatible beliefs were likely absorbed.

There was also some semi-canon thing about Fyodor trying to use an Inquisition supplied death cult as his poor-man's assassins to try and kill the Royal Court. He figured the Emperor and Empress would come for him with what he'd done eventually and wanted to get the drop on them. I don't know if the assassination attempt is canon still.

>>53896958
>you know the ones I'm talking about
Orikan's Pyramid Scheme of Shiny Gold Fractal Worship?

>>53896986

...diiiiid I miss something... particularly... interesting in one of the threads I haven't had time to read in detail?

>>53899420
Orikan the Diviner decided that if the Necrontyr were going to be retarded, he was going to act like a brain dead mortal too, and is doing something with the Deceiver (tying in with his canon lore of the modern Orikan probably being related to the C'tan in some way).

It's unclear yet whether Orikan decided to go full mad scientist and experiment with Deciever shards, whether the Deceiver killed Orikan and is just wearing his face, or if Orikan and a particularly large Deceiver shard are in a partnership Nicodemus Archeleone-style.

Either way, he's sired a shitload of Lahmian shard-vamps. He's running a magic pyramid scheme whilst scheming inside an actual magic pyramid.

>>53899821
He's sired a shitload of Strigoi vampires, not lahmians, and likes to wait until they get powerful enough to seek out Necron tech, if not him, and swoop in as the patron of their lineage.

>>53900362
Arg! What is the difference between Strigoi and Lahmians? It was never really clearly articulated.

>>53896937
I thought Isha couldn't act that directly against Slaanesh. She would, but Slaanesh simply has more muscle from snorting 10,000 years of an entire galaxy's worth of emotions, and so Isha is limited in who she can protect and how much.

The Eldar are still using Infinity Circuits and Soulstones, which if Isha could directly protect the souls of Eldar and humans wouldn't be necessary. It would also make the coming of Ynnead, if the Starchild does turn out to be Ynnead, kind of pointless.

>>53902150
the bit on the nature of slaanesh says it and Isha vie against each other for the souls of untainted eldar, and that the Crones and Dark Eldar are dammed if they do and damned if damned if they don't, respectively. My impression was that soulstones are still in mass use because Slaanesh is still trying to get as many eldar souls as it can, and Isha is still of lesser power, but she can contest its will with some strategizing.

Also that section gives the impression that eventually just eating souls got too vanilla four Slaanesh and it does metaphysically perverse things to them instead of just consuming. It mentions Slaanesh consuming the souls of its champions and inner circle on whims and reconstituting them when it gets new ideas involving past 'lovers', and generally being even kinkier than canon Slaanesh.

>>53902660
It sounds like a bit of a Ceggers deal. She will save your soul if she can but you have to meet her half way.

>>53892232
What do we know about them?

Anything or is it just another GW one paragraph throwaway?

>>53895263
Or they might be the Wasteland dwellers that didn't sign up with Be'Lakor and need a place to hide. Nobody would look for them on Savlar and if they shed a lot of their power, what of it they had, they can do what Ceggers seems to be doing and hide in the real world. To an extent. Still need hosts. Have to hop from one head to another. If they possess whilst they are high as balls nobody notices.

Or they could be inhabitants of The Impossible City, Vanilla doesn't have much to say about that beyond Kaldor Driago knocking it down once.

bump

>>53902088
Strigoi is the type to rip and tear through a city block to feed on the people. Lahmians infiltrate high society to pray on the weak and forgotten. Both of them want to rule the Imperium for personal or shared goals.

>>53904472
One paragraph throwaway. They were phased out after first edition.

>>53907498
I thought the rip-and-tear were Nosferatu?

>>53896467
I'm imagining Cadia, being hatful of gods in general and no wonder why, believes in a Discworld style Death.

He is the promise that even the gods will die, and they will make it happen.

>>53904875
>>53895263
I'm more for leaving it ambiguous.

Maybe they are real, maybe they aren't.

>>53907533
you're right. Strigoi are derived from the Deceiver, with Orikan (possessed or not) as the main sire of Deceiver shards being entirely possible, and Nosferatu are derived from the Nightbringer, and sired by the same as its undead stargod form wanders the galaxy, because the Ultrasmurf blue-helmets infrastructured too ambitiously and released him from his sepulcher.

Nobody seems to know jack shit about Lahmians, which implies the Outsider's involvement, but the Outsider's involvement implies the Outsider would have destroyed all information relating to the subject. It would make both perfect and no sense for Lahmians to be the Outsider's spawn, and they might not exist.

>>53904875
they could be hiding in the mind/physics warping Neutronium production runoff as a substrate, like a really dispersed, vague daemon engine splattered across the planet.

Essentially, neutronium is sufficiently complex to become chaos corrupted, but being non-warp derived exotic matter its a bit obtuse for most given demons to interact with, and only in its completed form. This meant, among other things, that sometimes in the AoS the ancient space elevator might become possessed and malicious like a neutronium space serpent hundreds of kilometers long. But in the case of Savlar, the production byproduct has an emergent property of working as a means to ease the presence and disguise of emaciated spirits and specters from the wastes in realspace. Essentially Savlar is so permeated with Age of Strife fallout that the sad, striving spirits born of the era are suited to be nature spirits there, and do so to get out of the much more impassioned state of the Warp.

Is there still an Alpharius and Omegon running around by 999M41 or did the identities get retired.

>>53910706
I like to think that over the millennia many men have risen to lead the Alpha legion, through hard work, ambition, and lots of fortune. A disproportionate number of these men have been born with the name Alpharius, or Omegon. This is purely coincidental. No it isn't.

So in this timeline, Sebastian Thor was an Inquisitor rather than a schoolteacher. In canon, Sebastian Thor is the best known saint in the Imperial Cult due to his actions in the Age of Apostasy. That would suggest that in this timeline Thor might be the historical poster boy for the Inquisition, given that he was able to figure out what no one else was able to (where the Steward was when the Steward wanted to be hidden), led a populist uprising across the galaxy on Terra and was one of the leaders in the Imperial Civil War, and Oscar tried to spin the Civil War as Thor having proven his credentials to be Emperor before Thor said “Fuck this. We’re not going through this again. Plop your ass down on the giant shiny chair.” Obviously any of Thor’s exploits beyond the parts that could not be covered up because everyone knew about them like the Imperial Civil War would not have been declassified until centuries after he had died, and only the parts which were safe to read.

Thor’s homeworld, Dimmamar, has also had extensive issues with Fabius Bile in canon, most notably one instance where he changed the composition of the atmosphere until everyone had to either drink mutagenic serums created by Bile or die. Could it be that before he became known as the hero of the Imperial Civil War, one of Thor’s jobs in the Inquisition was to deal with the machinations of Fabius Bile, and Bile’s poisoning of Dimmamar was some sort of delayed revenge on Thor opposing him once Thor became a galactic figure so entrenched in reforming Imperial government structure that he could no longer easily return to Dimmamar to protect his homeworld?

>>53911266
I can dig it. Lucius seems to be implied by the fulgrim stuff to be around somewhere and evil too, and also chasing immortality.

>>53911266
What did the fucked up water do to them.

In Vanilla there was a deamon at the heart of a tangled up and maze like world. It and it's world traveled backwards through time, Abaddon enslaved it by finding out it's name in the future in exchange for his servitude then when he met his former self coming the other way told him the deamons name, erasing one Abby and giving the other a deamon slave.

Is there this deamon in this AU also what was it called?

>>53914924
that sounds like some bullshit the Indigo Crow would pull if Malys paid it a ton of whatever you pay the Indigo Crow with.

>>53915166
Probably he likes to get paid in information, slaves and library subscriptions.

Also land on one of the shellworlds, as that labels him as one of the aristocracy.

>>53911266

> Oscar tried to spin the Civil War as Thor having proven his credentials to be Emperor before Thor said “Fuck this. We’re not going through this again. Plop your ass down on the giant shiny chair.”

I like this idea!

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>>53912851
It's another throwaway fluff mention in canon of Fabius Bile doing horrible things to people for little to no reason. Probably on a Tuesday.

My guess, Bile would have kidnapped half the population of Dimmamar outright for experiments because he runs with the Dark Eldar now and that's just how he rolls, and then tweaked the atmosphere to the point that by the time anyone noticed something was wrong, there was no way for all of Dimmamar to be evacuated and the choice was either to drink Bile's stuff (which is never a good option) or die. The "stuff" in question being Bile's latest test mutagens. They might have mutated you to allow you to survive in the altered atmosphere. They might also alter your physiology so the only thing you can breathe is liquid methane. Bile doesn't know, but that's what the guinea pigs are for. The fact that the guinea pigs are the population of the homeworld of the Inquisitor that was such a thorn in his side is just a bonus.

>>53918247
This was mentioned several times in previous threads. In the years since it has been elevated to a great dialogue, but in reality there was a lot more informality, swearing, and panicking as the two of them realized that someone had to come out of that room as the new Emperor, and each wanted it to be the other person.

Emperor said Thor had proven his ability to lead by raising (and winning) an armed rebellion. Thor said he was great at motivating people and solving immediate problems, not ruling. Oscar said he was not a real person, and therefore did not have the right to rule an empire of people. Thor said bullshit, Oscar was as real a person as anyone else.

Thor pulls trump card: And when I die of old age, what happens then? How do you guarantee a good man always sits on the throne?

>>53916559
And then put a library on that land just to give a middle finger to the largely Slaaneshi-Undivided populace.

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>>53919579
Ever since Isha was stolen and the salvation of the Eldar's purity became a remote possibility Slaanesh has had no problem with libraries. Without libraries you can't have sexy librarians, and without those who would direct its worshippers to wherever whatever record of depravity, catalogue of obscure and theoretical debauchery, or long and sprawling pornographic epic they're looking for for inspiration.

Back in the Age of Strife Slaanesh was just a slut and size queen, interested only in excessive quantity. Now obsessed with excess of every imaginable quality, Slaanesh is truly kinky.

>>53915166
Does Purple Pigeon have an end goal?

Did he ever?

>>53922815
Teal Tit does not.

Never ever.

>>53923185
>>53922815
I thought Pink Pelican's deal was that he saw the current state of events as a necessary but inconvenient puberty of the Eldar people.

His original goal being some bizarre and horrific utopia where the eldar are like demi-gods and nothing is beyond them and no fruit is forbidden.

It's just that Big Bird has corrupted his vision by putting an ever increasing number of steps between here and there to the point where, after all these centuries, he can no longer remember what he was aiming for.

Now it's just schemes without end or goal with fluid reasons and nebulous motivations. He is a supreme schemer but he can no longer remember what for, which makes him easy for his god to steer in his direction at least on a temporary basis.

>>53923863
>I thought Pink Pelican's deal was that he saw the current state of events as a necessary but inconvenient puberty of the Eldar people.
well wasn't the Aquamarine Albatross's plan in getting involved in the raid on Nurgle's Mansion to preemptively break the four way deadlock that was forming in the great game, empowering Tzeentch with the arising possibilities and theoretically putting the Crones on some upward trajectory by unifying Chaos's power around them in the fight against their consolidated enemies? One can see how setting the Great Crusade/War of The Beast in motion (possibly) benefits Tzeentch at Nurgle's expense, and in the long term it actually figures that Isha's mitigating presence keeping Nurgle's plagues from overtaking the galaxy right out actually benefits Nurgle in the warp powers arms race as he perfects new diseases with his perfect subject.

A weaker Nurgle means a more fluid political situation in the eye, and prior to the raid the Attendants of Isha would probably have had much more considerable power over the chaos-undifferentiated masses. With Isha in the possession of a Nurglite cult she could be used as a cultural figure to sway the Crones to fester and languish in the eye of terror, sure they have claim to the Old Empire's bounty.

>>53924125
There was also the possibility that Oscar and friends would have failed in the raid. If that would have happened the gods would have had the last Man of Gold as their play thing for ever and ever and ever. Also the galaxy would have been at their whim for the foreseeable future as no large scale civilization would ever arise ever again, thus strengthening all Chaos,

Either way the game was rigged so he couldn't loose on that deal.

Or so he thought right up until Eldrad tried to stab him.

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>>53921489
> sexy librarians
Slaanesh knows all the weaknesses to exploit.

Bump

>Pink Pelican
>Teal Tit
>Aquamarine Albatross

OK, which thread was this (??) discussed in, 'cause clearly that's the one I need to read next

>>53929011
They're all piss take names.

Presumably what people call Indigo Crow when they want to be less than respectful. Same way as everyone not Khornites say "Blood King of the Galaxy" when they want to annoy the Khornites.

Why even have the Indigo Crow be a part of the Raid though? I liked it more when it was just the Eldar and humans formulating a balls to the wall crazy Hail Mary that worked against all odds. Having the IC unlock the way to Nurgle's realm kinda cheapens that, like how they changed the canon Astral Knights so that they freed a Ctan Shard that did most of the work instead of blowing up shield generators of the World Engine themselves.

>>53929784
The Crow needs somthing to do, and it need not do any more than try to engineer events throug intermediaries. The Indigo Crow seems like anti-Eldrad, and they might even have been colleague farseers before the fall. All the Crow might have done is change its mind or get a bright idea, all to throw Eldrad into motion from afar.

>>53929011
Fuscia Flamingo?

>>53929784
I think it was the eldar (craftworlders) coming up with the plan as it says in the Eldrad section on the 1d4chan.

They then approached the humans because Oscar is a walking gallar field and also need more elite muscle.

Then just begins the task of trying to find a way of using a half broken web-way gate to punch a hole to the very deepest depths of Chaos. Red Rooster comes in offering technical expertise to do this thing that had never been done before pretending to be a farseer (maybe he had been a farseer back in the old days?).

His contribution was, in effect, minimal. Eldrad and his cohorts would have figured it out eventually but Turquoise Tern got impatient to speed things along and revealed himself.

>>53929784
He wasn't part of the actual Raid. Eldrad and co. were already planning the Raid, and the Indigo Crow merely showed them a backdoor. This was the reason the Raid wasn't instantly overwhelmed by 887 Bloodthirsters the moment it entered the Warp.

However, it was also supposed to be a trap. Eldrad and co. weren't supposed to survive their little trip into the Realm of Chaos. They did, against all odds. When you lay a trap, the mouse isn't supposed to make off with the cheese.

It was still a Hail Mary, just one in which there was some forethought. They couldn't try and bumrush Chaos straight out, because even Oscar, Eldrad, the strongest primarchs, the proto-Phoenix Lords, and the honk-iest Harlequins couldn't fight all four Chaos Gods and their strongest minions head-on.

>>53932207
The internal politics of the ruinous powers in this scenario is pretty entertaining
>Nurgle has Isha as waifu, settling in for the long haul in which the galaxy has a long horrible decline into utter hopelessness.
>Set to be second most powerful Chaos god after Khorne, possibly surpass him
>Not according to plan!
>Tzeentch needs to shake things up and ruin this for Nurgle's long term non-plan, freeing Isha up as a bargaining chip, or even better the center or a massive caper, is exactly the thing.
>Khorne, BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY, is apathetic in their power struggle, until Tzeentch explains possibilities for conflict should he succeed.
>Slaanesh already wants her, especially taking her from a fellow Chaos God, and its positively giddy there's a Man of Gold up for grabs.
>Tzeentch's agent execute the ploy, Khorne's might was to stay Nurgle's reaction, and Slaanesh's seekers were to go catch Isha and bring her back before them.
>None of this happens correctly.

>>53932803
instead
>Indigo Crow is too effective or underestimates the raid
>Essentially shoots the plan in the foot with his own gambit to get the Crone Worlders/Old Empire going again by giving it a favored enemy in the form of Craft Workers leading Stone Monkeigh
>Arrotyr is still a flaming anti-Isha fanatic and manages to fuck his part of the operation sideways before dismissing the task as unfit
>Khorne don't care, Khorne's leading the Gorkamorka on a rampage through Nuggle's parlour for shits and giggles.
>Slaanesh has daemons out the eyeballs attacking the portal, and keepers of secrets bearing down on Oscar on the way out, is being kept on hand by Tzeentch to make sure it doesn't abscond with the prize, and can't go itself.
>The Taskmaster is supposed to be leading the realspace attack on wherever the portal was, which it half assed, and used as an excuse to expand the Slaaneshi navy in the Eye.
>Man of Gold gets away, so tsundere.
>Nurgle manages to get enough of his filthy filth to stick to the Gorkamorka that chaos orks become more viable, and there's enough tainted ork blood to make the Beasts soul, so says legend.
>The High Conservator gets splattered across a mountain of embittered soulstones, and when she reconstitutes she hates all of her colleagues a little more.
>Khorne, BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY, sees the trouble brewing and claims the plan was a massive success, tells Tzeentch he's a better court magician then Malal, browbeats the impassioned Nurgle to work on the corruption of the orks, and casts Slaanesh from the presence of the Skull Throne now that the whore's business is concluded.

>>53933292
then
>pretty soon the Great Crusade picks up even more
>Slaanesh is freaking out because it's plans to quickly kill Isha's avatar and take the mortals are in shambles.
>Its listening to the Taskmaster and Cenobite order again, it's freaky parents are getting the Empire in the Eye of Terror they always wanted.
>Nurgle is losing steam and sinking into yet deeper despair, accepting that Isha is gone and consoling himself among the fawning Attendants.
>The High Conservator is trying to get the Indigo Crow, Taskmaster, Marshal, and Oscar all killed, and is psychotically attached to worming her way back into Isha's embrace.
>Khorne even has to admit shit went sideways, the Gorkamorka knows what he's pulled even if they don't show it.
>Arrotyr, Doombreed, AM, etc. are out burning worlds and starting fights, and the great crusade has been fun.
>But the Imperium isn't slowing down, they've scooped up survivor civilizations, and Khorne needs to make an example out of the uppity Man of Gold, just like he purports to have done to the rest of them.

>Be'lakor shows up, says some Commorraghi vacationing pre-fall bitch can solve all their problems.
>She doesn't.

>>53933707
in total
>Just as planned?
>The Crone Worlds are active on various disparate goals now instead of sliding into some vast immutable spiral, and the Crow did manage to flee back to the frayed edges where the webway meets the Eye of Terror, free to lecture on and on about the intricacies of his success
>Tzeentch has deprived Nurgle of his so precious comfort and complacency, and with all that's now going on in the vast and multi-polar galaxy it seems set to thrive.
>It even transfigured a whole new set of players into the Great Game.
>except they're out to kill Tzeentch, probably with lowest priority, but none the less.
>Tzeentch also made an opening for Malys.
>Except this is also not a good thing.
>laughing Malal.rune

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>>53933899
And at the end of it all Indigo Crow isn't going to be sure if he won or lost, though he will claim that it was a win. All he is sure of is that a whole bunch of people he hates lost harder than he did and that a whole bunch of other people he hates won slightly more than he did. And there maybe some overlap in those groups depending on what day you ask him.

All he knows, in that broken rambling mind of his, with any certainty is that Eldrad very nearly cut him a structurally superfluous new orifice.

Out of all possible motivations that he thinks he might have had none of them are in any way ones that would endear him to his craftworld kin. So from this he is pretty certain that they saw through his ruse, whatever the specifics of the ruse actually were at the time. Or at least saw through them enough to not want him to live.

On the other hand he did get away. Which means that he get to try again tomorrow and there will always be tomorrows for him. He has the blessing of his god which gives him a measure of immortality whereas the craftworlders live in defiance of the gods and so are not so enduring.

Like Oscar's political career and the Void Dragon's life he can play the long game to his advantage. Eventually he will come out on top. He just needs to keep trying. Now if only he could remember what he was trying to do.

>>53933899
Would the Chaos Gods have really worked together long enough for Nurgle to be ganged up on by the other three? I was under the impression the involvement of Khorne and Slaanesh was more opportunistic than planned. The Chaos Gods only really united and started working together (similar to how they did when the Emperor was ambulatory in canon) following Isha’s rescue from Nurgle’s Mansion, which is where Eldrad and Oscar earned their eternal hatred. Of course this doesn’t stop the various Chaos forces from randomly attacking both the mortals and each other, because each of the gods plans to backstab the others and take Isha for themselves.

Also a few things regarding Malys. Malys was a nobody at the time of the War of the Beast. It was pointed out that if Malys was as important to the Cronedar as she was in later years, the War of the Beast would not have swung in the Imperium’s favor following the death of the Beast. Malys would have just rounded up the Cronedar and pressed the attack on Earth, and probably would have won. It also diminishes the narrative role of the Beast as a whole. Malys may have rose to prominence kicking ass and taking names smacking the Cronedar back in line in the aftermath of the War of the Beast, but not earlier.

I’m also not sure if Malys would be a Commoraghite in this timeline. One would think the Dark Eldar would have no tolerance for Crone Eldar in the Dark City at the end of the Age of Strife, because the Crones are constantly harshing their mellow by preaching at them to convert to Chaos or worse open Commorragh and sacrifice the entire Dark City in a bid for Daemon Princedom. On the other hand, we still have no indication how Malys met Vect.

>>53935531
The other thing is that Malys is not Abbadon. She has no grand scheme to take over Old Earth and then backstab the Chaos Gods. She serves the Chaos Gods because she is truly devoted to them, and fulfilling their will and inflicting suffering on the heathens that would reject Chaos is what makes her happy in life. She refuses Daemon Princedom because that would limit her ability to serve the Chaos Gods (plus she’s distinctly Undivided). She’s too loyal to ever dream of betraying the Chaos Gods. The only thing that would make consider such a thing is if the Chaos Gods commanded her to kill Vect, which they wouldn't because they know how useful of an asset she is.

The problem with Malys isn’t that she’s disloyal, the problem is that the Chaos Gods have been bulking her up the last ten millennia, and now it’s becoming increasingly uncertain who’s holding which end of the leash. Malys is at Oscar levels of power, and while she may not be able to kill the Chaos Gods she might be able to seriously harm one with the power of the other three. Abbadon’s problem is he’s treacherous. Malys’ problem is loyalty is just about the only thing that keeps her from being a threat, and the Chaos Gods know just how tenuous that can be.

Thread needs archiving.

>>53935531
>Would the Chaos Gods have really worked together long enough for Nurgle to be ganged up on by the other three?
In canon they cooperated long enough to steal Tzeench's wand when it looked like he was getting ahead, and they aren't working together in a successful joint action, they're lighting an enduring dumpster fire by their shitty, disjointed, competitive cooperation.

>Temple Vanus, which according to popular belief ha[EXPUNGED]oes not exist. The Ordo Sicarius has confirmed this, and will not allow any dispute.

I noticed this reading through your wiki under the Officio Assassinorum section. You guys have a plan for that, or is that an intentional mystery?

>>53939743
cease and desist this line of inquiry. Ave Hydra.

>>53940241

I must admit, I don't quite get the fandom's thing about the Alpha Legion. Maybe it's just a matter of personality or something.

>>53935542
Also they keep resurrecting her because she keeps wrecking shit up when she's in the Realm of Chaos.

>>53907533
Alright lets try and flesh them out a bit for this AU.

They are obligate carnivores like sharks, looking at those teeth I can't see any way that they could be anything else.

But they also have gills and what looks like aquatic skin, a tail and webbed feet. Also fins and shit.

The tail makes land travel difficult and the legs are slightly hindrance for sea travel. They are a bad compromise in this way between land and sea. Possibly they are a result of someone in the distant past tampering with them, perhaps not. Maybe they are a half finished Old One soldier race but the lack of psychics (unless /tg/ dictates that they have them) would suggest that they were abandoned early on in their development or the Old Ones never fucked with them.

They have a "lung" or proto-lung but it's primitive as fuck. It is a swim bladder with an oxygen permeable skin on it similar to that of a lungfish. It is necessary for them to carry a tank of water around at all times as they will get painful chapped skin if they dry out and their lung and gill need to stay moist to work.

This gives them a natural advantage in low oxygen water in that they can come up to the surface for a quick breath. It also helps that they can survive in both salt water and fresh water.

For all that they like to boast that they are the Great Hunters of the galaxy their favorite method of getting food is rockpool farming and shell fish harvesting.

Due to not having a single psychic among their number they had no concept of the Warp until the Imperial diplomats turned up in their system and offered them membership into the Imperium, which they took gratefully. At the time the Sarharduin homeworld was just starting to go through a mini-Ice Age. The timing of the diplomats arrival was very fortuitous and there have been conspiracy theories about it.

>>53943997
Since then the Sarharduin have spread across the Imperium, though thinly. Typically they are found only on worlds that have a substantial ocean coverage. There was a population of them on Tyran, none of them survived. The off-world Sarharduin have never formed a government higher than the equivalent of tribal chief or mayor as they have taken to calling them, possibly because it's one of the few human words they can actually pronounce. Only on their old homeworld can true Sarharduin nations be found.

Possibly this is due to them being very unsociable.

Typical Sarharduin languages consist of hisses, tooth clicks and odd moaning sounds that sound unnerving if not outright horrifying to most other people. But they do sing and they sing beautifully it just requires them to be underwater.

Sarharduin religion is not a thing that they discuss with outsiders

>>53942450
Is she a hyper-competent cultist-chan?

>>53938234
Will do so as soon as I get home.

what if the emperor is all the friends we made along the way

>>53935542
What does Lady Malys look like?

We had in a previous thread the nature of the Fenrisian hierarchy and it's two heads of state, High King and High Priest.

We also had the Valkyries as the Nordic Sisters of Battle. Would they have power armour?

On the one hand they are SoB and it is kind of expected but on the other they aren't part of the adeptus securites(sp) but are a home grown militant order like the Katholian SoB.

So then all the power armour would have to be crafted on Fenris and it's colony worlds, and that's expensive as fuck and the Fenrisian worlds aren't exactly known for extensive industrial capabilities.

So would they import (also expensive), reserve it for the elite or just not bother with it reasoning that heavy carapace and a jump pack are good enough?

>>53944209
Sounds like a good start. A few things to mention.

The description makes the Saharduin sound extremely primitive when the Imperium found them. The Saharduin in canon were a spacefaring species, and the reason they were restricted to a few planets in canon was less because they didn’t know how to leave and more because the Imperium slagged any ship that tried to escape orbit. A few spaceships managed to run the blockade anyway. They were pretty technologically advanced, stated to have technology comparable to the Imperium in canon (which would suggest a race like the Tau, who understood what they made but didn’t have the super advanced death machines from a lost age hidden in the basement like the Imperium did), and had invented stuff like bolters that could fire underwater.

Reminder that if the Imperium offered them membership upon first contact then they would have to be discovered post Age of Apostasy. Before that the Imperium kind of had a “you stay on your side, we stay on ours” relationship with most non-human/Eldar species (aside from the obvious exceptions like the DAs worst kept secret). Which is possible, just pointing it out.

If there’s any trouble developing Saharduin sociology, you could always use whales and dolphins as a potential analogue as opposed to just sharks (though it sounds like this is already the case). The Saharduin may be shark-like in appearance, but their larger brains and ability to cooperate enough to build shit implies more complex social behavior. It could be the Saharduin appear unsociable for the same reasons as some whales or elephants. We see them as less sociable, but to the Saharduin who can hear each other’s ultrasonic or infrasonic clicks it’s like every Saharduin within the nearest 100 feet has a cell phone connection in your ear.

>>53950427
You make good points.

I was just trying to distance them psychologically from human scavenger gatherer evolution in favour of a predator and coastal farmer in terms of their outlook on things.

Without them turning into something like the Kroot but in the sea.

Also they would be scary as fuck to the average Imperial pleb no matter how nice they actually are. They are 100% carnivorous, tall as an eldar but brawnier looking with a permanent toothy grin. And they are of comparable level of intelligence to a human. Your only advantage is that you can run faster than they can with those flipper feat but if they can do that fish thing where they can half-sleep but remain semi-active then you are double fucked because they just keep coming.

That's going to unnerve a lot of people until they get to know them. Especially if they ever see them eat.

They could have been discovered during the Mecharian Crusade which was pre-Civil War and given the usual non-aggression pact and maybe a deceleration of mutual assistance if they were proven to be reasonably reasonable. Full Imperial Inclusion offered after the Civil War.

Also the question is why didn't they spread before the Imperium found them if they were of a comparable tech-level? They could have had no notion of the Warp and only lagged behind in this one aspect of development. If they wanted to spread they would have needed to use sub-light ships and take decades. If their previous unmanned probes to the few nearest neighbor stars showed nothing they could live on then they wouldn't have gone anywhere for a long time. Also if those probes had run into Orks or something out in the inky black then they might have just decided to stay quiet and build up a planetary defense network. None of this excludes off-world habs and such in or around the other worlds of their star system.

>>53938234
Archived

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Nobledark

Bumpan for hope of Angron

>>53945586
The Cronedar as a whole are a bunch of cultists. They’re not like most Chaos Space Marines (or at least the non-crazy warbands like the Black Legion), who mostly join Chaos for the promises of power and only pay lip service to the Dark Gods (except the vanilla!Word Bearers, who the Cronedar are much more similar to).

Part of this may be because there is such a huge gap in power between even the strongest Cronedar (Malys) and the Chaos Gods, the Cronedar aren't stupid or arrogant enough to believe they can rise to the point that they can directly challenge them (contra vanilla!Ahriman or vanilla!Abbadon). So the Cronedar still plot and scheme and backstab amongst themselves, but it's more to earn the right to be the closest to their god’s side rather than to be the strongest overall, because that’s the best a mortal can do.

It’s like the Tal’darim Chain of Ascension in Starcraft: Everyone is jockeying amongst themselves to get closer to the gods, but few have the gall to go so far as to consider their god one more link in the chain because the power level at that point goes from levels of degree to exponents. And those that do and publicly aired those opinions would probably be lynched by their fellow Cronedar for their hubris. Because that’s heresy.

>>53948582
There is no canonical picture of Lady Malys. Someone posted an idea of what she might look like, but 4chan ate the image and the only part of the description that survived was that she has a big black pair of faux-Sanguinius wings that she uses as a cape/mantle. Rumor has it they were torn from Sangy's back, but this is just rumor and it's more likely they are a set of Swooping Hawk gear or something. "Me time" describes her as having hair too brightly red to be human and a suit of armor with a ring of fur around the collar.