>>53618918

Theocracy Zealots >>> Wavachi Conscripts

Secularfags BTFO!

>>53618918
>Bishopess
>Waifu bait

Yeah, I guess so, if your tastes are trash

>>53618918
>>53619021

It's pretty obvious that Thelavos is meant to be beast, they're just having trouble representing that on the table.

>>53618918
>Are they just trying to push The Bishopess as the new waifubait?

You didn't guess that from the fact that in all of the new illustrations, the bottom half of her robe appears to be made entirely out of dental floss?

>Scraphounds ignored again

Call me when something fun is happening.

>>53619085
No shit, she's the Denticulatory Bishopess of the Theocracy Troops' Calcareous Brigade. Her robe of office IS dental floss.

The waifubait allegation is just Dome and Wavachi players pissed that Theocracy is actually playable again. Anyone who says they are over-costed or have mediocre stats has never looked at the Battle-Dentist profile.

>>53619100
Man I feel you, Scraphounds have gotten the shaft ever since they thought it would be a good idea to make jury-rigging a universal upgrade.

Not to mention that whole bullshit in the lore with the "Mad Dog" arc.

>>53619158
Don't remind me of the mad-dog arc. Like, sure, let's take the canonically weakest faction, the scrappy outcasts that only have each other, and make them have a fucking civil war. Just kill them all if you want, but come on.

>>53618918
>the fuck are the Kelvaverse writers doing?
Strippers and booze thanks to you fags spending shekels on their plastic crap figurines

>Are they just trying to push The Bishopess as the new waifubait?
Yep. Every 6 months with the newsletter you get a new one. Gotta get dem virgins to spend money.

The fact that you fuckers didn't complain half as much when the cat people furry race splatbook came out as you do about any other addition to canon is proof that you're all furries.

>>53620622
>implying it hasn't been all Vorhlfags since day one
Next you're going to tell me that Infinite Cave shit on kikestarter isn't furshit when they're trying to get fucking redrusker to do the art.

>>53619266
I dunno, it felt more like a restructuring to me. they finally got Chevalrisse in a position of power.

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>be Ministry Engineer in party of Jin-fags
>everyone keeps trying to perform a Convergence on my tech for the buff
Nobody cares about the lore anymore i swear

Kevalverse is in the best spot it's been in since the 80's, you faggots are just used to the Bishopess/Wavachi circle jerk that's fucking been in place for the last decade.

Now we just need scraphounds playable. God damnit I miss seeing tread-burners at the table

>>53620892
You can still run tread-burners if you use them right. They're closer to heavy fire support than full-on assault vehicles.

Just load them with anti-tank weaponry and keep them toward the back.

>>53620876
>Hurr durr let's converge everything
Fucking Jinfags, I swear.

It's mostly cause most GMs are too pussy to not fudge away the more awful results of the Overload rolls.

Like, holy shit, the chance of your anti-matter reactor detonating is the whole fucking drawback to convergence. If the GM fudges that away of COURSE everyone would do it instead of the Jin.

>>53620892
>Hurr-durr tread-burners

They were never viable, get over it. Having cool fluff doesn't mean it has to feature in every edition.

>>53621101
Tread burners were the shit two editions ago. Bet you whined and moaned your Wavachi ass off every time you were tabled by Scraphounds.

>>53621122
I never was because no one ever played them back then, and they won't now. They're an NPC faction.

Hey guys I'm looking to get into the game, what faction is best to start with? I hear good things about Wavachi or The Jin.

Also are scrap hounds as op as my friend says?

>>53621101
>>53621122
you know the funny thing about tread burners is that they were never SUPPOSED to be a thing outside of a line in some other book. Their creator, Johnathan E. Hunt Sr (Or just John Hunt at the time) said in an interview that he never really had anything more substantial than being backgound fluff for them but people kept asking for more and more on them so they eventually became a thing. I still don't think he likes them that much personally

>>53621177
Scrap hounds got nerfed HARD. The thing that made them super powerful to begin with got corrected so it ONLY procs on Inorganics. Which still makes them good hunters of siege weapons, but the only army they're actually OP against are, Ironically Tread burners

>>53621179
No shit? Man, they're almost as popular as the fucking gear boys, was it just the fans? Or was it a corporate move?

>>53619100
>>53620892

>It's another bitching about scraphounds episode

Being a Battle Mendicants player is eternal suffering.

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>>53620867
>they finally got Chevalrisse in a position of power.

Only to appease you and the Lord Protector crowd. There is no conceivable way hey would have been able to oust the Royal Family, they had the support of the people, the army and the majority of the knightly houses.

I will concede they have done it in a well written way, I like the Cromwellian vibe you get from it. With the Royal Family hidden in one of the Knightly Houses, opens up a lot of intrigue and the possibility for another Civil War.

>>53621177
Go for one of the Knightly Houses, right now you have options of who to support. Alvarian are stanch Royalists tho, I suspect they are hiding the Kings Family. Depending on which you go for, you can get anything from Ironwork Soldiery, Templarites with dedicated heavy weapons to huge options on Patriarch of the House.

>>53621256
Mendicant fans still exist?

>>53621240
It was both. The fans wanted it, a lot, and the team at the time saw there was money there, so Hunt decided to elaborate a bit. He's pretty tired of them now and has been for a few editions since their fluff quality is... not as good as before. they really should have him work on ANYTHING else for a bit, the man's still a goldmine of ideas, but that particular path is a bit overworked.
And also, let's be honest. The best Tread burners fluff was the early shit when they were mostly mentions in other books

Why the fuck does every thread turn into a scraphound circle jerk? I get it, we like the scrappy mad max survivalists, but I mean they're generic compared to all the other factions.

I mean just look at a perdition engine and tell me the prophetess isn't shit. Hell even jin-fags have their data shrines (which we all need to admit is a fucking genius progression of the obelisk unit)

>>53621288

Do you think we chose this fate? We don't even care if they're top tier, we just want a new army book so we don't get laughed off the table.

Did you guys hear the rumors that they're going to be giving rules to one of the worldforgers.
Not an avatar or a shard. But one of the ACTUAL worldforgers

>>53621347
Shit man, I shouldn't mock. At least you have aesthetic, right?

>>53621256
>>53621288
This

It's like I'm back in 2010. Mendiants haven't even been fucking updated in god knows how long, why cling to it?

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>>53621256
>Mendicants
>Current year

>>53621296
I mean, yeah I can't even argue that. But he's still the only one who can write scraphounds worth a damn.

Maybe put him on the prophetess' Theocracy? Lord knows they need some better fluff. Especially considering how fucking dominant they've been on the table recently.

>>53621412
Well they could put him back on The Mendiants. Lord knows they need an update

>>53621349

So are they going to make the point value so high that no one will ever field it, or are they going to retcon a reason for them not to be game breaking like they did with the Ur Engines?

Anyone else feel like there's too many factions at this points? I mean, I can't be the only one who misses when it was just the big three trying to take Terth. It just felt... more desperate yknow?

How come they still haven't made an Empire of Hannad book? Seriously, they're supposed to be this huge power in the South but we never get to play them on the table? WTF?

>>53621468
>Ur Engines

God, don't remind me

>>53621448
Oh fuck, I forgot about the mendicants (just like the writers). Yeah, dear lord they need some love

>>53621468
I mean, it'll never be tournament legal, but 1000 point epic matches are super fun and could use some new tech.

I need an excuse to bust out my 1K Jin army again.

>>53621476
One furry book is enough, thank you.

>>53621468
No idea. But if the rumors are correct it's one of the two that start with N so either the Mendiants are getting an update or there might not BE a hannad anymore

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>tfw playing Death-Iron Legion Hellbat cheese
>All that mobility

This shit is just stupid, seriously did they even playtaste Hellbats before releasing them?

>>53621511
>1k of Jin

How much did that cost you? Got to have some old models in there to reach that amount.

>>53621517
But Lizard-people are totally fine. lol k.

>>53621531
That's how business is done, create a desirable product, Hellbats are obvious, make it overpowered so people buy them to bulk up their army and then once they are sold they reign them in and bring them back to level.

They did the same with Ur-Engines.

>>53621511
>1k Jin army
Of course it's fucking Jin, their high tier units just blow everyone else out of the fucking water. The only faction that comes close is Wavachi, and that's just due to economy of scale at this point

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>>53621588
>Economy of scale

I see what you did there

>>53621571
Sure. Furry for the regular degenerates, lizard for diet degenerates.

>>53621572
didn't we agree not to bring up Ur engines? god, what a mess.

>current year
>not running united settlements of ardia acadmy list
Its like you fags WANT to lose to hellbats

>>53621548
It mostly was ebay lots, a lot of Jin players left the game a few editions back after the lore reboot.

I had to repaint most of them, but a few of the models were hilariously bad enough that I had to keep them as is.

>>53621588
Man, I got a friend who can field a 1K theocracy and it kicks my ass most of the time. Their Zealous bonuses actually start to get seriously crazy at that scale

>>53621511
>1k of points in Jin
>Only 20 models

>Laughing Cult of Orthodoxy.scripture

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>>53618918
I wish they didn't discontinue the Phallusoids again. I had a full army until soccer moms started saying they were inappropriate and shit. Fuck me man, down six hundred dollars!

>>53621627
God damnit I didn't even mean to. But yeah, wyverns and hell bats are way too good if you can field them in large numbers

>>53621511
>rich boy jin fag thinks his overpriced box of 20 threac egales will ever see use

>>53621704
Didn't their most recent book make it so you can't have NEARLY that many of them anymore

>>53621682
They were a surprisingly deep faction, not even gonna lie. Seriously wish they took risks like that today, might honestly breathe life into things. Seriously way too safe, it's getting stale

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>>53621682
And it's dead.

>>53621726
They should just refluff their name and appearance to be less... Well they WERE an april fool's joke

>>53621720
Yup
Bunch of people were complaining that egale spam was just as bad as the ur engine so jin can only field one at a time

>>53621670
Not until they get some new molds. Those sanguine scribes look fucking horrible.

Dick monster jokes. The thread is dead. Fun while it lasted.

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>>53621726
Have you seen the stuff they're doing for the Black Hole Queens? I think we're gonna get a spiritual successor to the old factions!

>>53618918
Unflarked master race, reporting in. Thelavos a shit.

>>53621754
Yeah
Thats why they always got released on the first of april and discontinued 2 weeks later
Anyone who wasted their money on that shit is either an old fag or an idiot

>>53621763
In 1k they can field 3 I think

>>53621754
I have sixty giant penis figurines that say it was a legitimate faction!

>>53621776
> hey what's worse than a scrap hound?
> a scrap hound that thinks it's a fucking scientist

FUCK the unflarked, they're a fucking mistake of a unit

>>53621805
I can't fucking believe they sold the old designs to a sex toy company

>>53621799
Fuck off
This is why 1k will die
3 egales can solo half an army in 2 turns and take maybe 2 wounds
Jin was a mistake
Still can't believe they arkied the renegshi wizards for this shit

>>53621834
Wasn't that a rumor? I mean even the biggest was, what, 4 inches, tops?

>>53621855
To be honest I think the teeth would make them less than pleasurable

>>53621855
They had that one behemoth a while back...

>>53621855
Well anyways that faction died over 6 years ago
What they did with an old april fools joke is something we may never know

>>53621845
Relax, Wavachi still has damn fine caster units. Renegshi were overpowered, talakesh are perfectly serviceable replacements

>>53621682

It wasn't just the soccer moms. The new generation of players weren't buying them (and the old grognards wouldn't touch the new stuff). I don't know what's with them. I can't tell you how many lolsorandumb kids I have in my store playing Unflarked. The rest just play Wavachi, because that's what Tabletop Seminar is pushing right now.

Phallusoid-fag comes in a derails the thread and you guys act surprised. Every time.

>>53621845
Chill man, you forgot the fact that ALL of Jin's flying units need a certain amount of footsloggers to "Channel" them or something. And like, ALL of their footsloggers are shit but one

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>play woad singers
>still haven't gotten a second editon
>Mfw forever stuck in the Arcanean sea with Lady Aurora breathing down our necks

I want to reclaim the Gallant Prow, but I can't move faster than the endless sea

>>53621898
>renegshi were overpowered
They won ONE world championship
ONE
and then instantly got removed from the game a month late and the talakesh are shit
The main reason people even pick renegshi was becaus eof the forbidden lore perk
The talakesh have the orthadox puritian trait which makes it impossible to stop a hell bat or egale
Which would have been perfectly countered by renegshi who was removed a week before their release
If that shit doesn't look sketchy to you you must be dense

Ok I can't fucking take it. We have to address the elephant in the room. We can't just fucking pretend the Ur engine's didn't happen. Six months where they fucking made all armies into fodder, and then nerfed to fucking nothing. And that wouldn't even phase me if the models didn't fucking cost a full car payment. And they're gearing up to do the exact same shit with the chevaliers. We can't let them just keep getting away with this shit. The bullshit fluff, the money gated tier system, the...the... god I just miss when this was a fun little game to play with friends. No space furries, no mad max rip offs, just dumb jokes and religion parodies duking it out for one worthless planet. I love the game I really do, but how the fuck can we let it go on like this?

>>53622024
>no mad max rip offs

Fuck off. The Scraphounds were a good addition. 4th edition best edition.

Pandering to the fucking furries was where it started going downhill.

>>53622024
Speaking of ur engines
>eradin fahs still think they're relevant after the nerfs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH-HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Theocracy is the best faction. They have something to believe in and for, and are honestly trying to make the galaxy a better place, which is more then you can say about the fedoralords who rule the Wavachi.

Fight me.

>>53622089
Wavachi have snake-women with tits.

Checkmate

>>53622116
Wanting to fuck sneks is not an argument, try again.

>>53622116
That got thrown out with the angry dick faction didn't it?

>>53622089
>Morale fag
>old fag
The theocracy was disbanded 3 editions ago
Lets all laugh at the autist

>>53622128
Nah. They just have to wear shirts now.

>Game night at FLGS playing Theocracy against some buds, having a good time
>Fatass NEET comes over, smells like shit
>'C-c-can I play a match with you?'
>Proceeds to open a shoebox containing literally decades old, dinged up, unpainted Mendicants minis
>No one knows their rulings but that guy, everyone just takes his word on them to get him to go away faster
>Despite his pulling stats out of questionable fluff, stomp him in a few rounds with a rush of two Kweth Lancer companies
>Two.

Why can't these people just get with the times? Mendicants weren't good back then, and they sure as fuck aren't viable now.

>>53622130
What are you smoking? They just conquered most of Wavachi's worlds.

>>53618918
You know the whole point of doing this is just starting to talk about a fake setting like it was real WITHOUT announcing it.

Fucking newfags.

>>53622149
>using kweth lancers
Bro YOU need to get with the times
That shit hasn't been in any relevant builds for ages

>>53622198
Not true, they're actually useful in the new hellbats build.

I mean that makes him cancer, but still

>>53622228
No they aren't
The lancers got replaced by the orbital ballistas after people realized that hell bats do the job just fine by themselves

>>53622198
>Literally basing your opinions off /tg/

Sorry that you don't understand that 3x Plasma Rending for a first round unit is never going to go out of fashion, pleb

>>53622263
>lancers
>replaced by orbital ballistas
Nigga what?

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>>53622198
>>53622228
>>53622263
Bros, I know Chime of Irretrievable Anima is filled with cucks and WAAC faggots, but the new Kweth Lancer models from the upcoming Wavach Lunar Crusade campaign book are amazing.
No way in hell are these things going to be useless, or even niche, with models this well done coming out soon. I know it's just new rules to sell new models, but fuck I'm sucker for these new sculpts.

>>53622194
...dude kevalverse has been the biggest war game in the history of the hobby. Wait... oh shit you were role playing a Jin serum splicer weren't you? Fucking weird ass Jin players man, why do they draw out the weirdos?

>>53622386
Man Makoto Kobayashi's designs are so fucking weird and cool

>>53618918
>The Flame Incarnate is still guarding the afterlife.

Just hurry the fuck up and start being plot relevant already.

>>53622477
>>53622477
The Flame of Black will never take his place and you know exactly why, his figures sell crazy well. If he was a crazy high point special character like all the Afterlife Guards he wouldn't be played in Skirmish and that's where the pro circuit is.

>>53622477
>Last shard of the dead Flame God.
>Stuck guarding some dead fucks.
I hate this.

>>53622477
They're never gonna move the plot forward. They'll just keep adding new factions until we stop buying them.

Which we won't because they keep printing cool shit. Fuck I want to be mad about this

>>53622523
>pro circuit
>skirmish
It's fucking losers who try to play "pro" with such an unbalanced, and CLEARLY narratively focused, game, and the fucking suits who support this shit by trying to cash in with "skirmish" bullshit that is just DOTA with miniatures, that is ruining the game.

Both John Hunt AND Jordan Schwartzman (and you know how much those two hate each other now) are on the record like every fucking year saying they hate that shit.

Campaign books are cool, but they are just slop to tide over the narrative base of this game, and I'm not taking it any more. My friends and I just play 2.5 edition rules and fuck everyone else.

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>>53622477
>There's a mural of him in the leaked pics of the Human's splatbook.

The fuck is this supposed to mean?

>>53621074
You can get some pretty impressive shit done by overloading, I often use it to clear large groups off of the table.

Just take Sagittarius pattern shields, yes i know the power cost doesn't make the added protection worthwhile normally but bear with me.
Also take the Conestoga engines, they're big enough to count as added rear armor so you shouldn't have to worry about flanking fire as you reach the target, if you want you can spend any equipment slots you have left on point-defense, but that's up to you.
now all you need to do for an easy win is just plough right on into the largest group you can find, and let the blast rules do the rest.

Bonus points if they try to destroy your engines by starting a coolant leak, only serving to make the blast more volatile

I've won too many games this way for it to not be addressed in the coming editions, but I'll keep going while it lasts.

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>>53622628
I like that they went with a subtle flame reference with his burned and twisted helmet, not the hurr-durrr-I'm-on-fire artwork they had in the past.

Do you think that since there is no hi-tech armor, this is meant to be a mural from the Atavist Sect? I sided with them during the Thelavos Reformation global campaign in the early 2000s, but since they got smashed, that was the last I read about them. I loved their aesthetic, though, so I'm hoping this means they are coming back!

I FUCKING HOPE it's not more Bishopess Path of the Naive Savant fuckery. (probably is though given the waifubait angle though)

>>53622917
Dude of course it's going to be addressed. The Jin aren't supposed to be suicide bomber super robots! That's Scraphound territory--there's even a tread burner that does exactly that, but since its rules are so outdated, Jin-fags can tool up their armor collectives to be better kamikazes than the dedicated kamikaze units. Shit is unreal.

>>53622623
I wish Skirmish was better tho. It's obvious someone really had a smart idea but you're right about the rules sucking for that type of game. I heard they're making two new factions just for Skirmish, only hero and villain pieces. The only troops that will be in the factions will be summonables.

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>be me, the void between stars
>Ancient cosmic embodiment of nothing and chaos beaten back by the ancient precursor empires
>Slowly return after an eon of hiding beyond the border stars
>The ancient ones have all died off and been succeeded by goat fucking degenerates
>Aww yis time to chomp
>Whole fucking plot arc gets put on hiatus so Jinfags can play with quantum entanglement

Jesus fucking Christ, the nullity is supposed to be a universal threat barely held in check by the border stars, but they can't even spare us an updated army list? Horrors haven't been updated in 2 editions and mind-worms are overpriced

>>53623164
No argument here. There is a kernel of a good idea in the skirmish rules (and when I browse Shadow War for Armageddon threads, I can see how good skirmish rules play out), but it's a shame that they've been put to use in a garbage, casual, tournamentfag way.

I've read the rumors about the two new factions, but I can't find any concrete details, just conflicting accounts. Are they totally new? Is there some butchering of the fluff to put all the factions into two sides?

>>53622927
The Arabist sect really needs a remake and I hope if what you think is true they'll get it. The shields are still completely stupid rule wise. The "tower shields" don't count as shields high wise anymore and they do count as tank armor WHICH IS COOL but that means that human troops can't hold them. The best of squabbling rules for them make them unplayable. Except Court Knights. Court Knights are way OP in Skirmish.

>>53623333
I just know that one of the next factions is going to be the Counter-Empire

Now that the copyright licences are being renegotiated, this could be the crossover of a lifetime.

Or it could be shit.
Just putting it out there.

>>53623378
Atavist sorry! Am a phonefag

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JIN FAGS GET OUT. SCRAPDOGS DON'T NEED YOUR KIND IN THE LEFTOVER

>>53623393
I think they're gonna try and make factions from the books. The detective ones about the guy from Blackgate Hive. All policemen from there. I hope we get a full set of Executioner agents, I love the "Judge Dredd" style they have.

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>>53623469
SCRAPDAWGS WOOF

>>53623489
Man, I hope they will not a get a Hounds, but I fear they will. Because Hounds are blatant furry fap bait, and if you like them and Lizzie, you are fucking furry and should die in hell.
How and WHY Hounds got so fucking popular?!

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>>53623505
Remember the "Crawl out from the Fallout" April fools minis for Scrapdogs? Fuck man they're so expensive but I wanna have a full team of them! Even

>>53623546
Tracking on all infantry units, rending claws act as free cc weapon, no movement penalties in difficult terrain. They're real good if you can get around the lack of vehicles.

>>53619266
And add to that that it ended with Mad Dog alone, adrift on a ship

that was on fire

and leaking

If that doesn't mean he's going to make a 'suprising' return than I don't know what will.

>>53623559
Crawl out from under the fallout up in the great Left-Over, get some scrap for your tuckerbag and scram a jimbuck back home

>>53623607
Their completely killed by Black Sky's faction only flyers tho. Especially in Skirmish and Modern, which are the only two game types anyone cares about. The have no way to get to flyers and since Black Sky has air docking you never need to land to get fuel.

>>53623639
Rippers can attack adjacent fliers if they reserve a charge on the previous turn, and can charge from infiltrate with burrowing. Of course that doesn't do you much good against a whole army of gliders, but you can always take an ally detachment of scrapdog chaff walkers

> ITT butthurt Wavach and Scrapdogs players.

Are you ready to be converted, heathen? The theocracy is coming for you.

>>53623733
Preach it, brother.

Holy shit did anyone see the video they posted on their YouTube? They're gonna put Atavist Knights and Theocracy Zealots together in the new edition! And fucking Christ they're gonna be led by the Flame Incarnate! Do you think they're gonna change the faction to be mostly Hero/Villain pieces for Skirmish? They've been trying to change the game towards being more "Moba"-like for newcomers for years and taking the two biggest factions and making them Skirmish focused would do that.

>>53621511
>>>53621468
>I mean, it'll never be tournament legal, but 1000 point epic matches are super fun and could use some new tech.
>I need an excuse to bust out my 1K Jin army again.


That's retarded, you're retarded. We all know the game does not scale well at all outside of the standard tourney 250-350 range. Pandering to the high end games is highlighting the glaring flaws in the game design when you start throwing buckets of dice at everything.

That being said. Bring back Scrap Hounds they're over costed to shit.

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Remember when the Theocracy Free Knights weren't shit?

I 'member.

GOD, they were so good, before they TOOK AWAY THEIR FUCKING MOUNTED UNITS

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>>53624025
FUCK

>Jin-fags upset that no one wants to play at high enough point levels where their stupid army hits critical mass and just wipes the floor with everything because they can shit buckets of dice out.

>>53624075
I still can't remember why they did that, anyways.

What was the justification?

I love how you faggots are talking about this like The Fifth Unbecoming of Red Moons didn't reset the entire setting.

>>53624157
>>53624131
There your reason. I think they made Theocracy state horses were heretical.

>>53624025
This is what everyone I saying. New rules will be the best we've had in years. Skirmish is where the game framework excels. It's no wonde they've been transitioning to smaller games with fewer more expensive models (both in points and actual dollars). And sure, theocracy can still throw down hordes of thralls at reasonable point values but they're not OP persay, just cheese. And for all the hell-bat haters it's still just one or two models, they can't be everywhere at once. If you play objectives you can easily outplay them. Especially with the expanded cover terrain rules that I hear are incoming with the new edition.

>>53624157

Oh come the fuck on

Didn't they essentially retcon that after the players bitched about it too much?

The Revolt of Ollanius Gaius, anyone?

what fictional setting are you faggots on about?

(serious question)

>>53624215

Ruins of Kelva, what the fuck did you think?

(I'm still salty about the changes they made in 3rd edition)

>>53624187
Do you think they'll go back to first editions "special terrain"? I remember I had the Gattling Skeleton Bunker for the Atavist's old Skull Boys back before they made "Nexromancy" illegal lore-wise. I loved being able to just setup defensible on static weapons. Plus they had awesome looking structures.

>>53624210
>>>53624157
>Oh come the fuck on
>Didn't they essentially retcon that after the players bitched about it too much?
>The Revolt of Ollanius Gaius, anyone?

Fluff creep is a real part of this game. If you can't except it I would say move on. Scrap Hounds I bet are getting Freeblade'd this next edition if they don't push more sales.

>>53621177
Does NOBODY like the Jin?

I just love their fluff. You know, the whole psychic/brain interface hivemind thing.

Though my favorite thing has to be the Coremind system. Take one of those goofy, pudgy, gunnless tanks out somewhere safe, guard the shit out of it, spend a few rounds activating it, and BAM. All of your jin are tougher.

Two focus coreminds and endurance coreminds are usually what people play, if you go with the Jin, but I recommend you throw in an ability boost like Pierce or Psion. Maybe even Detonate, if you have enough cheap guys like Initiates or Wasps.

I have a place in my heart for my SUPER heavy coremind build. It up playing more like MTG slivers, with at least a dozen of them out there. Even better, you don't have to protect them nearly as much, since there's no way the enemy can shut all of them down before they activated. Throw in a few Data Shrines and sacc some of your infantry to them, and you'll start spawning enough data-echoes. And data-echoes get to KEEP THE COREMIND BOOSTS. It's outrageous. They might splatter if anything looks at them, but if you get enough Endurance Coreminds down you can make up for that with a literal army.

And ignore the anti-Egale fags, the Egales aren't nearly as outrageous as people say. The Threac Egales are pure inorganics, meaning they don't get coreminds boosts, and they're fucked over by even the Scraphounds...

And everyone knows the scraphounds are shit.

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>>53624240

Please not the Scrap Hounds, I love them so much

I don't want to go through that pain of what they did to my landschnekts a second time

>>53624210
>Ollanius Gaius

You mean that feeble old heretic? God, I hate that character so much.

>DURR LOOK A ME I AM A NON-BELIEVER

That's literally all he does. And don't EVEN bring up his work with the Library of the the Red Moons either, because that's just horseshit and you know it.

>>53624252
But Theocracy Inquisition shuts down that playbuild stone cold, anon.

>>53624238
>>>53624187 (You)
>Do you think they'll go back to first editions "special terrain"? I remember I had the Gattling Skeleton Bunker for the Atavist's old Skull Boys back before they made "Nexromancy" illegal lore-wise. I loved being able to just setup defensible on static weapons. Plus they had awesome looking structures.

I think fixed terrain will depend on the mission, like how the game is played in tourney is different than how I think it's meant to be played in 'beer and preztels' setting. That being said my last tourney we were bringing three lists each attacker/defender/meeting engagement. So having point value buildings could work in competitive play.

>>53624272

But... he was such a good counterpoint to the Theocracy, coulda' made them great again.

>>53624252
>scraphounds are shit

Bull fucking horseshit

You even seen their Wheel Dawgs?

>>53624215
Kelvaverse. Basically started out as a chain mail knockoff, now it's...well... kinda hard to describe. Normally I'd link to the wiki but it seems to be down right now.

All you need to know is that pretty much everyone in setting hates the space lizards

>>53624308

And with good reason, too

Fuck those inbred scaly faggots

>>53624308
>>53624319
Well I do remember this one time a certain Mad Dog worked with the gay space lizards...

>>53624304
>But... he was such a good counterpoint to the Theocracy, coulda' made them great again.

I know, I know. Maye that's why I'm so bitter - he had such potential and they wasted him to make edgy atheists happy.

Oh well, at least The Five Brothers are still there to keep the faith.

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>>53624336

>Mad Dog

>not a real Scraphound.jpg

Fuck that weeb

>>53624304
Wheel Dawgs are literally the most situational unit in the whole game. Yeah, in the steal the goblet mission they're gonna grab it and run off the table and give the scrap hound player a 4 point VP lead. But in every other mission they're gonna get shot off the table before they can do anything. The only thing the have is their retardedly high movement speed. Nothing but a situational gimic unit that not does a balanced army make.

>>53624277
> standard theocracy strat
> "hmm that looks fun"
> *wrath of god orbital bombardment*
> "now it's pure"
Fuck theocracy

>>53620892
>asking for scraphounds to be "playable"
Just because they aren't competitive doesn't mean they aren't playable. Everdying hasn't had a new Compendium since Fourth Cycle. And it's not like they've been retconned out of existence *cough*Pentarchy of Qu Long*cough* -- they're still part of the lore and just got a new novel last year. But my Necromaster Vexarian list just sits on a shelf waiting for a current Compendium. At least I've had plenty of time to paint everything up with all the time I save by not playing the fucking game.

>>53624277
Yeaaah...

I'm not very good at the game, I just love my army anyway. Just because nobody plays coremind jin anymore.

One time a Theocrat fucked over my build, so instead of trying to set down anything, I started ramming.

Coreminds might not have weapons or be able to attack, but they are vehicles, so they can ram.

And with them being size 6, I could smash some serious shit.

I still lost. Spending all your points on coreminds and data shrines and barely anything on, you know, actual combat units tends to fuck things over.

>>53624304
That was a joke, anon. The wheel dawgs are pretty awesome. It's just that some of their rules seem there just to be annoying and contrary. Burn-out mechanics that don't even do anything? The weird hierarchy/nobility tree thing? What the hell.


>>53624308
>everyone hates the space lizards
FUCK YOU THE JIN ARE AWESOME.

>>53624336
It was never confirmed that Mad Dog was working with them. That was just a teaser from the dev on twitter. Probably going to be a big stupid 'reveal' thing. I wouldn't put it past the writers to have Mad Dog subverting one of the jin cloning tanks to make his own 'faction'.

>>53624348

True, FB are pretty great, especially if you field them with the Daughters of The Church

>>53624352
I used them in a battle against the Jin Overmind Coalition just fine, anon

You just gotta take advantage of their "Pack Hunter" trait more often.

>>53624372
I will admit that the heirarchy was bullshit

That's why I play Omegas most of the time, none of that bull

>>53624372
>I wouldn't put it past the writers to have Mad Dog subverting one of the jin cloning tanks to make his own 'faction'.

Now that you mention it,"The Mad Dogs" does sound like a good faction name. I wonder which of the Grand Houses they would play best alongside?

>>53624411
You act like the system wouldn't be fucked six ways to Sunday with just two mad dogs

>>53624411

>Mad Dog faction made of clones of the guy himself

Pls no

On a side note, we should have this thread more often. Just throw shit at the wall and roll with it.

>>53624411
> Actually wanting more Mad Dog

Out, heathen.

>>53624411

Stop.
Asking for Mad Dog to create a faction entirely negates the point of Mad Dog.
Sick dogs don't get to hang around the pack.

>>53624372
Stop encouraging this bullshit.

>>53624434
That made me laugh. WOuld be interesting to see how a faction of Chaotic Stupid would crash into the convoluted shit we have going on now.

>>53624411

>Grand Houses
>implying their "Alliance" ability is worth shit when the Ambassador that is required to use other armies' units costs 50 points

>>53624454
>>53624444
>>53624434
>>53624432
Yeah, you're probably right. You have to admit, it would be pretty hilarious, just rolling up to the table with an armful of Mad Dog figures and dropping them all over. Just stare at the other guy and say "I win."

>>53624411
I get that that's bait.

With the boner the writers have for Mad Dog? They'd probably be like the Outkast from 1st edition, before they got squatted.

But seriously, fuck Mad Dog. Everyone hates him except for the writers and trolls like you.

>>53624468

Ehh.... I kinda like the THOUGHT of what might happen, but I don't want it to actually happen, y'know?

>>53624444
Learn to live with it. It's obviously what Nate Kincaid is building up the lore to. Guy writes one good book -- when Finch was still in charge and could rein in his worst shit -- and they put Kincaid in charge of all the story.

>>53624474
>acting like he's not discounted for every house present on your list

>>53624488
Get to writing fanfic then.

>>53624502
>implying that the discount is worth the RL money it costs to buy so many different armies' units

Anyone still play Ruins of Kelva: Fleets?
I fucking loved that more than the main game, and those fuckers didn't even give it a chance to catch on before canceling it.

>>53624484
Are you kidding? The casual fans love him. It's just people who actually care about the setting who get pissed at him fucking things up

>>53624527

Eh

I sorta wish that they could have been bothered to add naval units into the core game, desu

Combined battles were the main thing I loved about that spinoff

>>53624482

What if you did, like, a hivemind thing like Deacon Yotam? So there was still only one Mad Dog? And like, drop the price of the Mad Dog figure by 50 or so, then let the standard drones be customized with a MD template?

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>All these losers playing Kelvaverse when you could be playing MORP.

I pity you.

>>53624484
I could see him being a better character if they tied up his loose ends.

Like, how in the fuck does he EVEN know about the Library of Red Moons? Isn't that shit meant to be known to only the Royals and The Teachers?

His knowledge of that set off the entire Mad Dog arc in the first fucking place, and by the end we still had no clue where he learned about it. Hell, we still don't even have the smallest clue about it.

>>53624571
Go shill that money theif somewhere else.

>>53624571

An overpriced knockoff of RoK, not worth the time or the money

And they don't even have any Scrapdogs

>>53624527
I'm more interested in the planned Living Card Game.

I have NO CLUE how they are even gonna pull that one off.

>>53624628

>wanting more cardboard crack
>as if Spell: The Joining wasn't bad enough

>>53624393
You must not play competitively because even with pack-hunters terrible cricumventing the whole 'communicate' phase of the shoot/move/communicate system and being able to do anything you want them to without having to check comms they are still stupid fragile and have gotten blasted off the table every test game I've used with them.

>Deacons no longer provide a wide range buff
>Theocracy receives two new support units, "Choirboy" and Penitent, to cover the slack

>Whitescales banned from official play
>Voidcrawlers get ???

Fuck Kelva, Fuck Kelvafags, I'm fucking done.

>>53624672
True, I don't play competitive

>>53624679
Bby, come back

We got Scrapdogs

>>53624679
It's trying to be like 40k, I think, which is an utterly retarded move.

>>53624679
>Complains about Whitescales being banned
>When Horned Riders are still a thing

Nah, fuck off m8

>>53624613
Scrap dogs are the soul of this game and fuck anyone who says different

>>53624484

>squatted

?

>>53624679
>Muh objectively OP unit banned in competitive play.
>Wahhhh I don't want to play anymore.

Fucking WAAC fags ruining the game.

>>53624628
Oh, man, my buddy is a designer on another line, and he's helping test the LCG. I can't say much, but the mechanics for the Worldforgers are really cool, Mad Dog is fucking bonkers (and has the best art I've ever -- EVER -- seen for him, by a long shot), but there are some really fucked up lore inconsistencies.

>>53624707

>Horned Riders OP

I bet you line up to suck on Metatron's smooth, genitalless crotch.

>>53624702
The fuck is 40k?

>>53624710

The dev team realizes this, but what do they do? THEY KILL THE FUCKING RUST HUNTERS

Fucking hell, it's like they don't want their SDs to sell.

>>53624712

I think he meant "Reyn'd"

>>53624712
I think he means Freeblade'd

>>53624336

Is it really gay if their species just doesn't have any females? Also, splatbook when, I want to be able to field some actual Ophidium Lords. If only the devs gave 'em the love the writers did.

>>53624729
>but there are some really fucked up lore inconsistencies

They'll just hand wave it away by saying that The Fifth Unbecoming of Red Moons created a split in the timeline. That's how they've explained inconsistencies in the past. I guess that's one good thing about parallel realities and shit - they're a good explanation.

>>53624742
just because the game is fictional doesn't mean real ones don't exist

>>53624749
Oh man I miss those guys so much

They brought them back (kinda) with the Free Knights, but they're still a Theocracy unit.

Fucking Theocracy, taking all the good infantry divisions.

>>53624746
Yo I'm still low key pissed about rust hunters getting the axe.

They were the best anti armor in the whole pack, now all we have are tread burners equipped with the anti armor load out

And that's trash

Fuck, I thought I really needed to catch up on the new fluff, but is it really that bad?

>>53624746
>Implying they are expecting their antiquated PEWTER models to sell massive numbers.

They don't even look in the correct scale next to new mini's either they're getting a new launch with the upcoming edition or they're going the way of the Reyn Freeblades. Antiquated but available as a tack-on for another faction.

>>53624781
Implying we won't make Kelva real

>>53624737
>I bet you line up to suck on Metatron's smooth, genitalless crotch.

It's better than you scalefags stroking the Living Dragon's tail all day and night at least.

>>53624700

Scrapdogs are just a reason for more HFY fapfiction. The real conflict started with the Wavachi rogues and the Theocracy.

Voidcrawlers are the entire reason the two cultures even met on bad terms. Wiping them out by Season 2 was the worst fucking thing for the game they could've done. Keeping them as an "environmental hazard" is just disrespectful to the game's roots.

That being said, providing more rules and background to environmental budgets was a pretty dope addition.

>>53624791
>Fuck, I thought I really needed to catch up on the new fluff, but is it really that bad?

It's kind of a doviding thing in the community at the moment, if you were new in the last two editions it's all well and dandy to you for the most part but people who have played from the beginning tend to like the older fluff more. mechanically, the game is the best it's ever been.

>>53624830
Everyone knew the lizards were gay the whole time but no one expected them to admit it

>>53624789

Yeah, Tread Burners are great as an ASSAULT UNIT

Not fucking anti-armor

>>53624794

Dude, the Rust Hunters models could have been updated EASILY

Instead they just give us an anti-armor loadout Tread Burner

I'm still pissed about this bullshit

>>53624829

But anon, HFY is the best thing about the setting

>>53624336

He did what he had to. WOOF WOOF, MOTHERFUCKER.

>>53624829
>HFY fap fiction

Scrap Hounds are cannonically the least powerful faction. In a world over run with Zenos, mutant zealots and cyborg alien AI I wouldn't call barely eeking out an existence a 'HFY' faction.

>>53624853
>WOOF WOOF, MOTHERFUCKER.

Shouldn't it be HISS HISS?

>>53624829
>>53624852
Careful, or the rabid anti-hfy fags will come along.

>>53624829
>scrapdogs
>HFY
They're a faction literally built around the idea of Pyrrhic victories and barely making it day to day. Sure it's through ingenuity and determination (And a diesel fetish), but they're more grounded than the fucking theocracy

>>53624870

Ehhh, they might barely eke out an existence, but on the table, they're fucking amazing if you have the right army

>>53624876

Let them come, SCRAP HOUNDS ARE DA BEST

WOOF WOOF

>>53624829

>he doesn't get that the game is a parallel to manifest destiny
>he doesn't get that the final season will be the bishopess splintering from the rest of the covenant a la civil war

it's like you've really never played the game or something

>>53624898

Oh god don't even get me started on the Theocracy's "doctrine"

>>53624898
I just with the Scrapdogs had as much lore behind them as the Theocracy. I mean, I understand that a group of what basically amounts to bandits won't have as much as an entire society, but c'mon.

>>53624929
Are you caught up with recent lore? They've got some outpost stuff going down.

I mean yeah they're still mostly raiders, but they've got a bit more going on now a days

>>53624929

They do have lore.
They gave rise to the best single-figurine army in tabletop history.

>>53624968
TREAD BURNERS

WOOF WOOF MOTHERFUCKER

>>53624968

>implying Mad Dog is valid lore

>>53624957
>They've got some outpost stuff going down.

Oh wait, are you talking about them finding those ancient Theocracy precursor ruins? I think I read about that!

You guys thing they are going to reform the Communicate Phase this next edition? Seems like Jin have a huge advantage with their Command and Control stat being so high across the board (with a hefty tax to match) which is why they scale so well.

>>53624902
>Mono-build to shit with hordes of Cyber Dawgs
>Amazing

Look man, we're all looking to make them playable but their current compendium is pretty trash and has been for a while. Tourneys are overwhelmingly Theocracy hordes and Jin-fags teleporting all over the place and like MAYBE like 10% everyone else.

>>53624997

>Cyber Dawgs

How the everliving FUCK did you get an army of Cyber Dawgs playable? You need at least THREE Tread Burners to make that viable against anyone.

>>53624993
That was mostly omega's band (personally feel he's super underused in the current lore), but yeah that actually is what sets things into motion

By "things" I mean the infamous civil war arc, but before that there was a really interesting period where we got a glimpse of what a scrap dog society would look like.

Shame they just used it as an excuse to axe some of the better scrap dog units (seriously what were they thinking?)

Spoilers point they might be going back in the right direction with the new edition though

>>53624990

get a new loadout and all of a sudden you fucks are all over the place again

>>53624991

literally the best thing out the scrapdogs, with daphne in a close second, and only because he was the last sincere meme before the dev buyout

>>53625056

>Mad Dog
>Daphne
>best

Lol what, it's like people have forgotten about the FUCKING WOLFPACK

>>53625079
WOLF PACK

FUCK OMEGA

>>53625101
FUCK YOU SAY

OMEGAS ARE THE SHIT

>>53625022
Yeah obviously with Tread Burner support was what I was talking about but I usually only play 2 in anything below the 350 mark. It's monobuild as fuck but the army just revolves around abusing the scout move mechanic so I get an extra move every turn essentially turning the game into move/shoot/move/communicate. If you lose a Comm-dawg out of one of your Cyber-dawg packs that whole bunch is essentially fucked because their C and C stat drops so low they'll never do what you want. God forbid you get jammed because then you're whole army is useless. If used correctly you can out pace even Jin and just kite everyone around the board. Not a replacement for a functional compendium however.

>>53624904

Manifest Destiny? Dude, the first time the Theocracy went to space, they got shot down by what is the equivalent of a 40 pt hazard in the current season.

The second time, they met Wavachi cruisers and got their shit corked for ten years before they could safely leave their own solar system.
I don't think anyone sincerely expects the Theocracy to be anything but the big backdrop for the Bishopess' betrayal and joining with the Scrap Dogs (woof), and Mad Dog is going to fucking unite the Wavachi under a single insane banner, no matter what the traditionalists say. MD was written best under Gartner - this is NOT the same Dog.

Why are there so many Bishopess doujin and porn and shit? How did the nips get so invested in this? Hell, how did they even find it?

>>53625131

I see your point, but the Cyber-Dawgs are just.... It's like they wanted to give us Wheel Dawgs that were less fragile, but their low range means they can't do jack dick.

>>53625154
They're always down for loli porn, anon.

>>53625146
>>>53624904
>Manifest Destiny? Dude, the first time the Theocracy went to space, they got shot down by what is the equivalent of a 40 pt hazard in the current season.
>The second time, they met Wavachi cruisers and got their shit corked for ten years before they could safely leave their own solar system.
>I don't think anyone sincerely expects the Theocracy to be anything but the big backdrop for the Bishopess' betrayal and joining with the Scrap Dogs (woof), and Mad Dog is going to fucking unite the Wavachi under a single insane banner, no matter what the traditionalists say. MD was written best under Gartner - this is NOT the same Dog.

Mad Dog just reads like Gartner's shitty self insert in the new books.

>>53625101
>>53625079

Wolf Pack is exactly what a Mad Dog faction would fucking look like. And thank God it never happened.

>>53625154
It's Japan, and we have big titted battle nuns.

It was gonna happen

>>53625052
>Spoilers point they might be going back in the right direction with the new edition though

Let's hope so...I mean I don't see what else they could be planning

>Mad Dog somehow knows about The Library, which is supposed to be hidden away from pretty much everybody
>Mad Dog arc happens as a result
>The Fifth Unbecoming was supposed to reset the entire setting
>Ollanius Gaius manages to somehow nullify that by simply stating that he no longer believes, even though the Unbecoming is meant to be unstoppable
>Split timeline occurs as a result
>Fucking OMEGA (Mad Dog's rival) and his band manage to find some long forgotten Theocracy ruin that actually predates the Theocracy
>Signs point at Mad Dog returning, even though his dumb ass was last seen on a ship that should have imploded
>Still no clue how he knew about The Library


Lore wise, I think things are about to get really messy and bad for the Theocracy. Like, "holy shit, the people know our deepest secrets" bad.

>>53625177

And it's too fucking bad the canon doesn't get the same writers as the lore.

>>53625182

>Wolfpack
>Mad Dog faction

Did you even READ the fluff about their clan history? They're so different it's not even funny.

>>53625177
Fuck Gartner, he ruined the Scrap Hounds

>>53625182
What? Wolf pack was fucking great! It's just remembered poorly cause the writers forced that shitty civil war arc.

>>53625146
>The Bishopess
>Joining those filthy scrapdogs

The Bishopess is the saviour of this setting, mutt.

Don't make me get my Theocracy Inquisition army.

Especially since each squad is headed by a Paladin Commandant.

Go ahead, just try and throw your Mad Max rejects at me.

>>53625208

>implying things weren't already incredibly messy for the Theocracy

Every other book has someone running from an Inquisitor with forbidden knowledge, it's stupid shit

>>53625234
Theofag get out

woof woof

>>53625172
Like I said, it's not a good list in the conventional sense; you're kind of gaming the meta because no one takes jammers anymore because like 70% of the Armies a typical player will meet are immune to jamming. It's just a pure scoot and shoot where you make up for short range buy jumping all over the place.

>>53625208

Mad Dog is literally too busy killing all the time to even use a radio. He literally only eats while moving and doesn't sleep until he has to enter hyperstasis. I don't think the Theocracy is worried about Mad Dog finding the ruin so much as they're worried Omega or some as-of-yet-undisclosed Handlers from the Scrappos following him.

>>53625245
You know what might really re-balance the Scrap Hound list

THEM BRINGING BACK THE RUST HOUNDS AND MAKING THE WOLFPACK CLAN ABILITIES RELEVANT AGAIN

>>53625240
Keep barking, once we're done taking over the Wavachs, we'll take over your junkheaps of worlds. Maybe teach you how to bathe.

>>53625234
How about we throw omega at you?

He won't win, but your faction will start a civil war for no reason (FUCK Gartner)

>>53625265
Fuck, phoneposter, meant Rust Hunter

>>53625273
I see your Paladin and raise you an Alpha

>>53625240
>Every other book has someone running from an Inquisitor with forbidden knowledge, it's stupid shit

Yeah, but that's usually fairly mundane shit. I'm talking about the FUCKING LIBRARY OF RED MOONS.

You know, the place that holds divine knowledge handed down to the Royals and The Teachers? Yeah, Mad Dog's dumb ass knows about it somehow, and all signs are pointing to his return.

>>53625265
>>>53625245 (You)
>You know what might really re-balance the Scrap Hound list
>THEM BRINGING BACK THE RUST HOUNDS AND MAKING THE WOLFPACK CLAN ABILITIES RELEVANT AGAIN

Everyone misses the days of 3.5 my friend but we all knew that it wasn't going to support that level of customization for long.

Adding back rust hounds would be good though. New sculpts would help the whole line.

>>53625274
You know, I think the one thing we can all agree on is fuck Gartner. He makes every faction worse, even his favorite he's constantly wanking over.

>>53625298

Fuck, that reminds me, what was that one faction that was like a pre-Scrap Hounds army? Was pretty good, but a bit bland

>>53625316

Gartner makes me ashamed to be a SD fan.

And his partner Drew (The Jew) Morgan isn't any better with his fucking Clerics of Leganna series.

>>53625343
>Clerics of Leganna


Nope, get out. Don't even bring that cringeworthy shit in here.

Does anyone have the scans for The Canalotian Run? New scenarios are SORELY needed. I heard there were new, setting-neutral hazards like leviathans and stuff, can someone confirm? Real tired of getting ganked by bandits I put down three turns ago.

>>53625288
Alphas may be strong, but they are way overpriced. Almost double the cost of a paladin and an admittedly strong fighter, but really meh leadership effects.

>>53625359

IT'S CANON THEOCRACY FLUFF, THEOFAG

I CAN'T HELP IT ANY MORE THAN I CAN HELP MAD DOG

>>53625370

>leadership effects
>in a SD army

take this kek and go

>>53625343
Reyn Freeblades? They didn't really fit thematically in the setting which is pretty sure why they got rolled.

That being said, I am pretty sure Morgan is the one pushing all the fucking 'fan-service' art and models.

>>53625343

>someone actually remembered the Hanadin Colonists
Pre-Jump Drive Scrapdogs were literally a background menace in the game and the canon.

>>53625386
Maybe if you guys had leadership effects you wouldn't run every time you take a divine bombardment.

>>53625396

Oh god don't even remind me of the Theocracy Battle Sisters during 4e

>>53625400
Ah yeah, that was it

>>53625408
Maybe if you guys had good vehicles, you wouldn't lose every time you get into land combat

>>53625408
We don't run, son

We Ride

>>53625386
>>>53625359
>IT'S CANON THEOCRACY FLUFF, THEOFAG
>I CAN'T HELP IT ANY MORE THAN I CAN HELP MAD DOG
>>>53625370
>>leadership effects
>>in a SD army
>take this kek and go

Yeah..... I wouldn't really bank on A Command and Control based ability ever being the lynch pin of a SD army. They're bad enough that just getting them to do what you want is challenging let alone getting their C and C stat high that you can reliably pop off buffs. That and it doesn't fit the army thematically.

>>53625421
> What are Vanguard Crusaders

>>53625423
> We ride
In the direction away from the battle.

>>53625446

>Vanguard Crusaders

So you mean shitty Iron Wolves, with maybe ONE extra point of Armor, in exchange for being slow as shit?

>>53625370
>>53625433

Scrap Dog's buffs are the contextual modifiers they get from packing, flanking, etc.

>>53625366
bump for scans of TCR

>>53625511
>actually playing out TCR

We don't talk about Drew the Jew's scenarios, anon

>>53625475
Can't flank me if I have Guardian Crusaders on every flank. Theocracy infantry don't break.

>>53625464
You forgot I can use it as a troop transport to carry suicide zealots. You know, the ones who can practically annihilate any vehicle despite being dirt cheap.

>>53625546

>Theocracy Infantry don't break

Have a look at my Junkyard Dawg, his Howl of Terror says otherwise

>suicide zealots

Lol, like that will do anything against a Tread Burner

Good luck even reaching it with your shitty move speed

>>53625546
Theo inf are great which is why Theo inf builds are tier one army's right now. THAT BEING SAID I have beaten it with Cyber-dawg spam. Literally nothing but kiting, and jumping out from LOS blocking terrain shooting and jumping back. The dude actually looked visibly upset.

>>53625564
> Howl of Terror
> Doing anything to even the lowliest Theocrat if they're in a Grand Paladin/Great Priestess's aura

And that's not to mention the command and control effects of named characters.

>>53625598

Fucking Theofags and their Hero spam

Why do they get all the named characters?

>>53625576
Ah you cheeky fuck. Can't blame you though, your faction is all about the skirmish.

How'd you get around their Holy Lancers?

>Be OP
>Lazy writer
>Steal everything in this thread
>Can't prove it otherwise, simply change a few names
>thanks 4chan!

>>53625620

Lol, like we have anything better to do

>>53625610
At least You guys get heros. Wavachi has the whole clone/caste thing preventing it and Jin tries to do the whole buff truck thing instead. I mean yeah there might be one or two names guys, but it's not really enough

>>53625564
>>53625598
He's right Junkyard Dawg is kind of a one trip k puppy if the Theo-player has any kind of redundancy and SD's are pretty shitty outside of
monobuild.

Anyone have any luck running Wavachi Armored Corps? Looking at the rules it looks solid but I haven't seen anyone playing it. Is it because the models are expensive or has no one else discovered the secret sauce that makes it work?

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Does anyone have any good starter armies? I'm trying to look at some of the legacy factions like the knight houses, jin or wavachi. even though they're pre-civil war, if they're bringing back md, they're capable of doing anything, right?

i've been looking at voidcrawler but they got nerfed and i'm not sure wavachi are going to make it past this season desu from an outsider's pov

theo seem like they're going to be everywhere and i don't wanna get bored with my own units because i'm fighting against them all the time.

>>53625655
RIP Wavachiboos

>>53625663
I think it's because the WAC don't have any mobility to speak of. SD are much better with that, and they have some decent heavy armor units as well.

>>53625620

At least fill us in on the standardized lore.

>>53625610
As a theofag, I think it has something to do with the fact all our heroes are either hot priestesses, or bara knights. And so we've got waifufags and gay guys sell heroes like crazy.

It's like the Everdying Bloodlords until that shitty book series killed everyone's boner for the space vampires, since it was basically that one chick writing space vamp smut and calling it lore.

>>53625663
Well I'm not gonna lie, Wavachi is still in a bit of a slump since they lost the us engine. Their armored units are really efficient, no ones denying that, but nothing's really replaced the engine yet.

id say wait for theo's anti armor to get nerfed before trying anything though

>>53625689

Ah man, Bloodlords were great

I loved their Resurrection gimmick, just plop a Rebirther down in the middle of a Peasant mob and go at it

All you plebs. I bet none of you play a Carnofear list.

the fact that it hasn't been updated since 1.5e rends my heart

>>53625618
>>>53625576 (You)
>Ah you cheeky fuck. Can't blame you though, your faction is all about the skirmish.
>How'd you get around their Holy Lancers?

Honestly luck and incompetence on the part of my opponent I was a couple inches outside of their explosive Lance Range and the dude ran them right up the center of the table at one of my cyber-dawg packs and I shot EVERYTHING at them and they melted completely before they could get in range. Being able to double move really helped.

>>53625727
Ah dude, my dad played Carnofears

He got me into the game, actually.

>>53625727
>I bet none of you play a Carnofear list.

Probably because they're terrible in all regards. They're basically a bunch of space goblins.

>>53625727
>All you plebs. I bet none of you play a Carnofear list.
>the fact that it hasn't been updated since 1.5e rends my heart

I pitty you. Your entire faction got Freeblade'd in one paragraph in the 4e Theocracy compendium.

>>53625708
I always hope they bring Bloodlords back whenever they decide to release a new Everdying rulebook. Something about converting or ressurecting enemy units was extremely cool to play with or against, even if you were getting rolled.

I still remember shitting bricks when the enemy Bloodlord general converted my Grand Paladin. I didn't know they could do that.

>>53625747
...fuck I feel old now

Fuck I still remember playing with martyrs, and those were in play about the same time.

It's easy to forget how old this game is sometimes

Hey guys, I'm looking for a new way to burn a bit of my disposable income. Which faction is the cheapest to get started with?

So what the hell is up with Void-Minds? The fluff says they are god-like, but they are actual shit when it comes to crunch.

>>53625708

The process took too long for too little payout

>>53625670

Wavachi have been maintained through bi-annual template updates on their website. They are not necessarily legacy. They've just stagnated in technology in canon so they can continue to sell a plenty diverse figureline and keep them canon.

Voidcrawlers got shafted in the best kind of way. Whitescales didn't make any fucking sense mechanically in an army with a passive to ranged, and the fact their invisibility triggered as a defense was counter-intuitive to the stealth idea. Still, if you like tactical planking, fucking over the distance rules, and waving a tape measure like it's your dick on the opponent's end, then go for it.

>>53625790
Jin, are the cheapest because of low model count. People will give you dirty look though because they're pretty much the best right now. Fucking teleporting gay ass cyber lizards.

>>53625772

>mfw I had a Freeblade Grandmaster
>Bloodlord General converts him
>all the other shit I had was low ranking stuff
>get slaughtered

>>53625784
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>>53625753
>>53625771
>>53625784

>>53625812
But I'm not a furry.
Fine, what's the second cheapest faction?

>>53619158
>>53619266

Look at these fucking faggots who don't side with the Mad Dog of Tarkis.

>turns a Nothing faction into a brutal dictatorship that gets shit done
>wipes out dissidents who would canonically destroy the Scrap Hounds after the Sundering
>dragged the Sons of Tarkis from almost pre-theocracy levels of tech forward 100 years.
>Giant Robots

It's almost like you Love to suck outcast pleb dick

>>53625798

I think that's just the Dev team not playtesting their shit

Their gimmicks SOUND good, but they're functionally useless

>>53625827

Theocrap, because they're all practically infantry

>>53625813
There's a reason I still run clarity of mind on all my heroes to this very day. I know it's crappy in the current meta, but I still get the flashbacks of having my heroes all converted 1 by 1.

Remember that bullshit ability the bloodwitch had where any hero she converted could then convert other heroes?

>>53625835

>Mad Dog
>dictatorship

I think you mean cult of personality, guy was a spaz, only way the thing was united was because they all wanted his dick

>giant robots

I'd hardly call Lobots "giant", anon.

>>53625790

Theocracy, Scrap Hounds or Wavachi.
You can buy a lot of used Jin and pre-Civil War Houses in the aftermarket, but the new rules are really not supportive of the figures you'll find.

Voidwalker if you want to drop a couple fifties in the process of getting people to point and laugh but wipe their brows when you're not looking.

>>53625835
I think you're mixing up omega and Maas dog there bud

>>53625835
>wipes out dissidents who would canonically destroy the Scrap Hounds after the Sundering

That was the shit 3e version of it, get with the times. Nobody liked that bit anyway.

>>53625827
Theocrap but beware they're only cheap if you get the snap together kits, they're OKAY looking but it's a spam army so be prepared to have like 30-40 of the same 5 sculpts of Thralls.

So where is Fatanvious Drelken?
>inb4 "he a gud boi now. He ruhpent in da cherch!"
>inb4 Dokalir x Theocrap alliance

>>53625727

>Carnofear

Oh god, yes. I was considering making an updated version of their rules so we can actually, you know, play them. I was considering taking their zombified critters like the Tear-a-sorz or the blimplings and statting them up as vehicles. Then we don't have to deal with their 'mount critters' siderules and the stupid dice rolling to see if they 'fall off', and as a bonus, they get ram speeds, the ability to be repaired/looted by the Scraphounds, etc. It'll take a while, but it's coming along.

>>53625812
>teleporting

Teleporting is the worst way to play Jin.
I still hate when people go with the Warpstar Lattice obelisk instead of the Coremind Obelisk. Yeah, you can be anywhere, but there's just no fun in it.

>>53625827
No dude, the jin are awesome. If need be you can just slap some Theocracy helmets on their necks and call them 'humaniform jin'. There's a comment about humanified ones in one of the books from like 95', so it's good from a fluff perspective.

>>53625838
>>53625798
It's implied that the Void-Minds we're actually using are the weaker ones, since the big ones can't actually leave the Void.

>>53625838
>>53625867
>>53625882
Alright then, Deus Vult it is. Any recommendations for builds?

We hit the bump limit

...should we make this a general?

>>53625856
Snow Balling bullshit that got banned from every tourney?

I think I played against it ONCE. In the dregs known as 3e, 3.5 was much better.

>>53625835
You forgot the part where his dumb ass caused a split timeline and potentially fucked over the rest of the universe.

>>53625905
New Carnofear rules? Hallelujah!

>>53625913
Don't buy their nonsense about Theospam, it's not very good. Their more elite options are to die for, though.

>>53625919
No. Generals are cancer.

>>53625919
Yes anon, do you even need to fucking ask.

>>53625913
Thrall spam with a few supporting heros added to flavor and like one blob of holy lancers.

>>53625919
Yes, will add next thread when this one dies.

>>53625899

FuUUUUUUUUCK, don't even get me started on the pussification of Fantavious

>>53625905
Huh, never thought about it that way

>>53625913
Heavy Infantry or Zealot spam. Only way it'll work without a Clergyman

>>53625835

What are you talking about. Mad Dog literally RUINED the ENTIRE Scrap Hounds ALONE over the course of THREE MONTHS.

EIGHT WAR BANDS DID NOT STOP THE MAD DOGG

WOOF WOOF MOTHERFUCKER

>>53625882
As a Theofag, you gotta remember to get lots of heroes. They're where the army gets fun. They turn your crusading peasants into unbreakable death machines, and give you a ton of oomph.

Plus unlike the mobs of peasants they're really customizeable, I have 3 Grand Paladins and 2 Great Priestesses, each looks unique.

Oh, and make sure to add more elite units like guardian crusaders and holy guard to the mix. Peasant spam alone is a shitty tactic, don't let the junkdogs lead you astray.

>>53625919

I'd be down.

Maybe someone should start recording the unified lore that we have so far?