>Somebody removed the nineball from the Sentinels
Drat!

do we have an updated version of all 21 Legions colour schemes?
Also how does everyone feel about how I tried to spice up Einchurt? Not sure if I did a good job of making him not an emotionless, nihilistic robot.

>>53473980
I think Definitely Not British is the one doing that...

>>53473980
I like Einchurt. He is not the positive char here but he fills his roll. And you can develope him further away from the nihilistic robot during the project. I mean fw and bl did the same. At the beginning we had stereo types and the chars got over time more and more fleshed out. Nobody awaits a perfect fleshed out character drama. Well excdpt for the trolls out there and Rokuten^^

>>53474187
Yeah, I never really intended him to be a positive character. he was always meant as a bit of a negative person. I just wanted him to be more than "resident edgelord", even if that's still the easiest way to summarize him.

>>53474286
Better "resident edgelord" than "childish"....that hurt...^^

>>53474286
Be less edgy. Be more actually deplorable.

The Separatists still don't feel very cohesive.

>>53474504
Canon Legions had a werewolf, a cyclops, a vampire, a robot, an edgelord, a troll, a bueraucrat, and a nigger all in the same pile.

"cohesive" ain't really a thing to worry about.

>>53474757
>Canon loyalists were shamanistic viking werewolves, autistic Germans, ultra stoic Romans, angsty vampires, super angry self-mutilating cyber fetishists, superblack pyromaniacs, emo tacticool marines and ultra autistic muh penance knights and not!mongols

>Traitors had characterless saturday morning cartoon villains, egyptian supernerds whose chief was a cyclops, really grumpy construction workers, mega edgelords with bat ears, tone deaf drug addicts, lobotomised gymbros with anger issues, self-hating unwashed neckbeards, the Westboro baptist church and the dudes who love playing where's waldo way too much

Anon is right, uniformity or cohesion is not important.

>>53474907
>super angry self-mutilating cyber fetishists
To be fair, they weren't super angry until they lost their space dad.

>>53475020
They were angry, though.

>>53474122
Is he still with us?

>>53475719
I haven't seen him lately, but it's also a weekend, a holiday weekend for some. Wouldn't surprise me if people weren't around.

>>53475719
He's British, I'm sure he'd never be as uncourteous to die and not inform us with a formal letter.

>>53474286
From the last thread, not sure if it helps:
Damn it. Now Gyahdred has a respect for Einchurt in spite of himself. I suppose its one of those things where you can only really have those intense emotions across a space of empathy. Sort of a damn it Einchurt, I know you could make the Imperium a better place with me if only you let yourself care. And you don't even spend your time fighting monsters.

Perhaps they meet on the battlefield, get along, the campaign ends, there's the biopogroms to exterminate infected citizens and both legions do their duty. There's respect. And then there's an incident on a human world. Maybe they're not compliant yet, they're considering it. Or maybe there's a rebellion? Anyways, its a situation where there's a more peaceful option that will take a while Einchurt's point is that they're in a hurry and there's time tables to keep to.
Gyahdred says they can take their time with humans, they're the point of the crusade.
Not sure what Einchurt's response is, but I've got a feeling he says that victory is the point of the crusade.

>>53475719
From what I gather, he's been on a limited internet for the last few days.

>>53476606
Yeah, he'd say they have timetables to keep, and Gyahdred needs to consider more what the must do over what he wants, and that human lives can be recreated easier than industry, infrastructure, etc.

Can we decide on the exact order of discovery? Right now we have:

1.
2.
3. Deshain
4.
5. Raj
6. Einchurt
7. Je'She
8. Linares
9. Matlalihuitl
10. Ashur
11.
12.
13. Lambach
14. Rokuten
15.
16. Pacha
17.
18. Valorn
19. Marduk
20.
21.

The rest is empty, though Gyahdred has been put down 830s.M30. He could be 4th.

>>53477164
I'm fine with Mot being 11 or 12, but it might be interesting if he was earlier so he could see the decline of what he thinks the Imperium should be to send him towards chaos.

>>53477164
Emil can be placed wherever the group thinks it's most useful. Doesn't matter too much to me.

>>53477291
Maybe. Maybe if somebody wants to move that could work.

>>53477558
I don't think there's a particular reason for him to be placed anywhere. Just pick a number I guess.

>>53477604
Somewhat related, when do we want to work in that Titan Marchers--Brotherhood of the Abyss campaign?
I'm thinking it'll go pretty well and the details will help nail down their relationship. We can have it with some DAoT shit and Gyahdred keeps trying to preserve it.
Maybe there's a xenos campaign before hand that highlights their similarities and then the moment there's tech relics involved the differences really begin to show. All the sudden Gyahdred has mechanicum Adepts all over the place. He choses a battleplan that increases projected casualties by x% in order to capture enemy titans intact, etc.

Also if people have a better idea for a name, let me know.

>>53477871
Quick question: Can we have a rider in the docs-collection for all the inter-legionnairy writefaggotry?

>>53477923
And idiot me couldn't fit these two inquiries in one post:
PACHA, you wanna have a bit of Heresy combat going on?

>>53477604
D20 says 17th it is. Put Emil down there I suppose.

I am curious though, what the timeline brackets are between first found and last found. 10 years difference? 50? 100?

For someone who's found more towards the end of the line, how much pre-Primarch time do they need to account for when writing the Legion's fluff?

Sep here, won't be in much due to life stuff (will resume normal posts by monday) currently working on the following
>Final Legion Colors
>Fluffing out the legion
>Relationship with other primarchs

As for his time of discovery I'm torn between 11, 12, 15, and 17

>>53477871
I'm thinking that's a good route to take, though Gyahdred shouldn't go too far off the deep end on their first meeting. I want Raj to like pretty much everyone, and him going against the Creed that quickly isn't a good way to get Raj on your side.

>>53477923
That sounds useful to me, though more than anything else, I think the crusade events help us characterize the legions and the primarchs.
For that matter, I think I should fluff up Stovokor.

>Stovokor
Geologically active like Ryamtscho. Massive mountains and some seas. Esoteric version of the Mechanicum Cult, borrowing in part from Tibetan Buddhism. Sutras and a focus on the transformation of things a la energy/reincarnation. Probably looks a hell of a lot like Vulcan mysticism.
Lots of air mobile stuff. Legs over treads over wheels. Though that isn't terribly different from regular Admech, just done as air cav and mountaineer regiments and a tighter linkage between the Ordo Reductor types and the forge proper. Not sure how you field titans in the Himalayas, though...

>>53478208
I'm thinking the result ought to he that the legions can work together as long as people are prepared to accept that Gyahdred is... eccentric. He's got an odd hierarchy of values, which again, is why I think he makes an interesting pairing with both Raj and Einchurt.

>>53478652
You're probably right. Key point with Raj is showing mutual respect. If a Primarch were to be rude or patronising towards him, Raj would explode with anger. As long as Gyahdred doesn't do that, they'll get along well enough.

>>53477923
I see it

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I just had a dumb idea in the latest line of bad ideas involving orks imitating humans.

A warband entirely of megadreds and looted knights, in the vein of Imperial Knights, with heraldry and everything, named House Loud or Da Loud 'Ouse. This is either brilliant or just retarded.

>>53479293
Isn't that the name of some cartoon show or some shit?

>>53479335
That's the joke. Never watched it, but it will either make people laugh or facepalm.

>>53479345
Haha. I like stuff like that.

>>53479345
I'd probably be on the facepalm side of that equation, but hey. It's Orks.

Being brilliantly retarded is what they do best.

So I went through and posted how Einchurt feels about all the other Primarchs (it's also in a doc for reference), how does everyone else feel about trying a similar thing? That would, in my mind, help us start solidifying the Primarch's relationships

>>53481324
Yeah I really liked what you'd done. Putting it from his perspective gave him a lot more character.
I'm stealing your idea and trying to write one up for Lambach but I don't think I'll do it as well as you.

In response to
>>53450744
>The Unworthy
In his early days, Valron Adras was used to all actions having an ulterior motive. As such, he originally assumed that the use of cybernetics amongst the Adeptus Mechanicus was to ensure that its priests had ample reason to hone their art, for if they didn’t they ran the risk of dying. Needless to say, he was deeply disappointed when he discovered the somewhat more religious truth, but this didn’t dissuade him from using cybernetics as a way to screen potential techmarines. Aspirants were given a collection of cybernetic implants, along with information on how to maintain them, and then informed that they would have to keep these implants exceedingly well maintained for six months, along with acting as an assistant to one of the fully trained techmarines. Those who succeeded in meeting these standards are sent to train as techmarines, however, those who do not are sent to Claw Packs to join The Unworthy. A squad of the Unworthy is oft a motley crew, each member baring a variety of augmentations, some external and obvious others less so. There is however one factor that unites them, their skills. Whilst Unworthy have not the skill with machinery that their successful counterparts have but they do have more knowledge about the maintenance of equipment than the average marine. This makes them invaluable to the Claws during long infiltration missions, as weapons and equipment must be maintained and Unworthy are more suited to this duty than a techmarine, being more common and readily available, though their skill is lesser. This frees the techmarines up for more urgent and mechanical matters, but it is not the only reason the Unworthy are valued.

>>53481474
Breaking something is much akin to fixing something, only in reverse. As such Unworthy are not only skilled at sabotage, as most Claws are, but are skilled at sabotaging stealthily. Rather than use explosives or bullets they simply mess with the workings of their target. It may be a loosened wire here, a jammed gear there, but whatever form their sabotage takes, it is always stealthy. Not in that the sabotaged object won’t blow up, but in that it will be less likely to be seen as outside interference, appearing more as human error or bad luck. They prefer stealth for their sabotage, but can do it under fire, only not as effectively.

Some Unworthy are offered the chance to rise to the position of techmarine, but this generally only happens after many years of service among the Unworthy and not all those who receive the offer take it. Some prefer to stay where they are, having achieved a different form of perfection to one they once sought, but a form of perfection none the less. Also they all have a deep hatred for Orks because much of their equipment doesn’t work out of an Ork’s grasp anyway, so it’s impossible to sabotage. Admittedly, you can sabotage them by painting something like “Dis Don’t Wurk” on the side of your target, but only works if the Ork working it can read.

>>53481324
Yeah I feel like you're fleshing out Einchurt really well. Kudos to you for making the "bad" brother. You've done something good here.
I'm currently working on one as well

>>53481324
Which document? I didn't see it in your legion description in the google doc.

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>>53481579
>>53481430
I'm glad everyone likes him, at least as a character if not a person. I thought we needed at least one Primarch who wasn't a paragon of justice and honour dealio, so I drew on how I acted back when I was depressed and worked from there.
Can't wait to see how all of you do it!

>>53481627
it's in a different doc, I'll link it real quick
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W44DGGjFE6jAXpdiLlKWNW5fiyL8EZkNWcmnFUdU2iU

I've noticed in the Gunslinger's dot point description of Deshain Kane, he shoots another Legion's Captain in the legs after they criticized the Gunslinger's early retreat. I'd be more than happy to have a Khafir of The Sentinels take that place. It could do for a nice rivalry ;)

>>53481659
I did something similar to ot when I first joined the project but only for about 6 guys and not from my Primarchs point of view. It helped me shape the character a fair bit. But you've inspired me to finish it properly.

>>53481491
>rise to the position of techmarine
I just want to note that when I said this I meant that they got the opportunity to receive the proper training of a techmarine, not that they just magically got given that position
>>53478091
The time between discoverys would be pretty useful to know. Would help me figure out wether it's Valorns grandsons who betray him or his great grandsons

>>53473114
>Marduk
He is strong. I can respect that. He is a true father to his men, stern though trusting. That is honorable. He leaves no foe standing, and his Legion's will seems limitless. I am impressed. Yet when I stand at his side... My mind screams, recoils as if a man had entered the lair of an enormous beast, and was unwelcome. I fear to peer too deeply at what lurks beneath my brother's countenance.

>Pacha
He is a builder, a gardener, a developer of men and shows a deep sense of humanity. In his presence I feel the warmth of his homeworld's sun upon my brow. We are remarkably alike, though Pacha is heat, compared to the chill of Nonimat IV which will never leave me. Perhaps... I am a little envious.

>Deshain
A wounded animal. His mind is a wasteland of briars and pain, and he does not recognize that he is his own worst enemy, that so much of his personality emerges from this wellspring of agony. Would that I could pull him free. I know he would never consent to such an invasion, but I believe that my world's psybernetics might offer him peace.

>Linares
Many dismiss him as a boisterous idiot, with little class and less discipline. His mannerisms grate on my nerves, but his moral code does him credit. He will not abandon a comrade, and for that I gladly overlook the rest.

>Emil
Self-reflection is a valuable tool, and the list will not be complete without evaluating myself. Few understand my nature, although I see much of the Emperor in myself, if I may be so vain. We both draw strength from the Warp, and both of us are technologically gifted. I know my abilities frighten many, and the psybernetics my Legion bears are symbols to distrust for others. So be it. There are terrors in the dark to which my brothers are blind. I am my brother's keeper, and I will do my best to stand guard over us all. Surely there is no problem we cannot solve together.

>cont.

>>53484013
>Einchurt
I almost understand his mindset. And that worries me. He walks a bleak, dark path and I am not sure he knows how far along that perilous road he already is. Perhaps I can reignite the spark of humanity which has almost left him before he becomes as mechanical as the weapons he uses with such abandon.

>Matlalihuitl
Something is wrong with this brother of mine. Mutations are well known to the people of Nonimat IV, and none of them emerge for benevolent reasons. I turn my third eye to him, yet I see nothing. Why?
>Lambach
A still pond across which travel no ripples. He does his job well and with attention to detail, but there is a certain torpor about him. His Legion uses their powers too recklessly though, and I fear it will best them someday.

>Je'She
He hates Orks. I like that. No threat blocks Humanity from its true potential like the endless greenskin raids which tear down all we build. He has the gift of oratory as well as I. But where I read the crowd's emotions to learn which words they will listen to, Je'She simply speaks, and they hear. What took me years to master he does without thought.

>Isekho
A dagger can often do what bolters and lascannons cannot. As the Emperor's dagger, Isekho is a useful tool. I have little else to say about him, though. The few times we have stood together, he said very little.

>Yochin
His mind is a fortress, guarded by burning pillars of light. Nothing gains entry, not even good ideas. My brother cannot be destroyed from without, but eventually I fear he will crumble from within. Whatever fuels him may someday look for more wood to burn...

>cont.

>>53484027
>Zelbezis
I know little of this man. What I have heard does not endear me to him.

>Ashur
He built himself from nothing. Even I would not be confident of repeating such a feat. A slave who was made king. Part of his mind is still bound in chains though. I see a statue made of gold, with feet of clay. He is brittle steel, but a good man. Perhaps I can reforge him, make him as he should have always been...

>Hayden
He and I appear to seek the same goals, but where I balance humanity's psychic turmoil with the natural calmness of psybernetic machinery, Hayden seeks the monastic lifestyle. I know that I am the superior psyker were we ever to come to blows, but who knows? It is possible his route to controlling the psychic gift will prove the better in time.

>Gyahdred
My brother hides his Legion in darkness, for they fear what might emerge from themselves into the light. They clamp down on themselves for protection, and appear normal on the outside, but I can hear that which gnaws them from within. I pray it is otherwise, but I cannot but feel a dire fate awaits them all.

>Valorn
He and his Legion keep me and mine at arm's length. It is sufficient for him, and it is sufficient for me. Should he call for aid, I will be there.

>Raj
We have a lot in common, and I have used his technical information on multiple occasions to further my research. A strong soul, but tarnished by his experiences. I hope to cleanse it, should he give me the opportunity.

>Quaestor
By the book, no mistakes. He gets the job done as a consummate professional, and I respect that. A more perfect cog for the Imperial war machine I could not imagine, and my father has spoken well of him in the past. Would that I could instill a better balance in him though. Marines are not exactly human, but neither are they soulless.

>cont.

>>53484040

>Piter
Another slave-made-king, much like Ashur. A man of the people or their pitiless oppressor, perhaps. I cannot foresee which he will become.

>Mot
Utterly self-serving. A mechanical cancer concerned solely with its own growth. He and his Legion win victories and expand the Imperium, but I cannot help feeling it will bear poisoned fruits.

>Rokuten
He is a warrior born, but also a brutal hardhead. I feel his spirit reaching out across us all, unconsciously seeking to dominate each Primarch in turn. He would do well not to press me too hard, for I swim in waters where he could only drown. I understand his needs, and willingly fight alongside him, but I will not kneel.
MAN that was a lot of work. Good odds I'm talking out my ass regarding Emil's perspective on other Primarchs/Legions, but maybe that lends it some authenticity, I hope.

Lemme know what you all think.

>>53481659
It's nicely done. I'm going to have to do up one myself.

>>53481474
I read up on Valron. Really like the cataclysm.
The Unworthy look like a pretty neat bunch between their own special role in the legion and the role of perfection in the culture. A neat way of making a weakness into a strength.

>>>53450744
>Nosferatii (Provisional name)
The Nosferatii are legionaries who have sufficient control over the curse that they can perform stealth missions. The vast majority of them have some form of cerebro-augmentation, typically to dampen emotions. In concert with extensive meditation, this grants them security. In this altered state, the Nosferatii are beyond fear, beyond the curse, but also beyond compassion and empathy. They are to a man cold killers dredged up from the depths of the legion's psyche. Opponents within the legion suggest that the cerebral augmentation has merely disguised the curse's touch, but none can deny their efficacy or loyalty to the legion.
Typically they are infiltrated before a campaign or allowed to hunt targets at their leisure. They seem almost to enjoy causing terror, though fear is an effective weapon, particularly for a hunter or assassin.
Besides the expected weapons, they also commonly work alongside networked Thallax and other such mechanicum horrors, their similarities binding them together into effective hunter-killer units and allowing for complex ambushes.

There's a better way to word it, but they're basically cyber-Night Lords.

>>53484054
Also wrote some more on the Legion's backstory. Mostly involving a discussion between Emil and his Marines when they first meet.

>>53484054
>He is a warrior born, but also a brutal hardhead.
Hardhead?

>>53484251
This is Zorg.

>>53484251
Hardhead means someone without much use for subtlety. Often implies stubbornness.

>>53484276
>Hardhead means someone without much use for subtlety. Often implies stubbornness.
Rokuten has lots of subtlety though. Otherwise his legion wouldn't be as loyal.

>>53484393
Well, perhaps that's how he appears to Emil in-universe, then. I don't think these are supposed to be perfect representations of each Primarch, right? If they all knew each other in full detail, there wouldn't be any misunderstandings or surprises.

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I found a picture that might represent Mot Hadad pretty well.

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>>53484770
It's not exactly what I would like for a picture (since it's not really 40k's aesthetic), but this picture might be what Emil looks like. Maybe.

There's another one that's competing with it though, I'll post it too.


Your picture's not bad at all, assuming the actual picture would be armored in a sci-fi manner rather than fantasy cloth and plate, of course. Definitely invites comparisons with Vulkan and Ferrus, perhaps.

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>>53484883
Here's the other option I thought of for Emil. This one's a little "darker" perhaps, but it's also got this nice "psyker haze" which I find appealing. It also looks more like a cybernetically enhanced person I think. He wouldn't actually ride a hoverboard, of course.

Which do you all think might be more useful for me as a general guideline?

>>53484027
Oh no someone discovered the link between Kropor and Torpor.
I like it man. The stuff I've done for my own is nowhere near as good. I also am struggling with Zelbezis. Has anyone heard from him?

>>53484915
I have not heard from him, no. And yeah, his was a challenge for me also since there's so little actually written there.

>>53484883
Yeah, and instead of a hammer he'd have a flanged maul where the flanges are chainaxes.

>>53484538
Good point.

For each Separatist, state why your character is able to resist the temptations of Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch and the lesser Gods of Chaos.

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>>53485205
"If something sounds too good to be true, then it's too good to be true."

Also,"NOBODY COMMANDS SETTRA!"

If a skeleton out to conquer some bumfuck nowhere dead fantasy land can resist the temptation of the gods, so can a primarch out to conquer the galaxy. Only Rokuten wouldn't dare try to swindle the gods; that would undoubtedly end with his corruption.

Pictured: The only way for the gods to tempt Rokuten.

>>53485348
Settra rules.

>>53485374
He doesn't serve, that's for sure.

>>53485205
The Warp all but destroyed his adopted homeworld. Emil is himself a psyker, and has some inkling of the terrors which dwell within the Warp. He grew up raised on stories, myths, and even historical video recordings of the mass psyker explosions which happened at the dawn of the Age of Strife on his home planet.

And basically Emil's philosophy regarding Warp powers and psykers in general is "Discipline is everything".

>>53484770
So what's he like before the chaos? And what sort of machines does he like? Gyahdred wants to know.

>>53485205
>Hey Gyahdred, want to try some chaos?
>Don't you dare touch me you filthy casual.

In all seriousness, there's a few factors. First off, there's the simple fact that none of them are the machine god. He's got a divine schema and he's quite happy with it. Second off, there's the specifics of the cult of Stovokor. Chaos is irrational. That rules it out straight away because logic is critical. Gods are in impediment to enlightenment. The omnissiah is beyond all duality. It is efficacy itself. It is all that is. Chaos is anathema to all that. Chaos is the ultimate illusion, made from attachment itself.
Then there's Gyahdred himself. He sees all gods as illusions, there is only the omnissiah and the omnissiah is all. Enlightenment requires the doing away with all gods and radical contemplation.
They literally have nothing to offer him.

>>53485938
Side thought on the curse and temptation:
I'm thinking that Gyahdred feels like he already has a cure. If he was totally desperate, he would make everyone a Nosferati, better terms than anything chaos could offer him. It also helps that living with the Curse requires logic and self control, which Gyahdred values anyway. It's more manageable than the Blood Angel's curse, but that management requires constant effort on the part of the Astartes.

>>53485938
>So what's he like before the chaos?
Mot Hadad is an arrogant bastard, and once he comes to a conclusion he is loath to let it go. He believes in absolute authority over his legion and suffers questions from very few individuals. His dislike of scheming, political and otherwise, stems from his experiences during his youth on Zharr-Naggrund, where such plots were ever-present. He's very technically savvy, though he isn't a fan of the mechanicus and prefers to tinker on his own.
Mot Hadad is a fervent believer in the crusade, though it can be said that this is because it expands his personal control rather than carving out an empire for humanity.

>what kind of machines does he like
Big guns are his favorite, though war machines of all kinds are produced by worlds that his legion conquers. Of note is House Zharr, a knight house originating from Zharr-Naggrund that consistently goes to war alongside the Forge Lords. They have minimal ties to the mechanicum and enjoy the favor of Mot Hadad as their patron, expanding their noble line across the stars in his name.

>>53481778
Be my guest.
^^

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>>53473980
LITERALLY HITLER

good shit

>>53484770
Like I said before, I imagined Mot as an angier, 40k version of pic related.

I'll also be working on Raj's relationships.

>>53484770
Mot has very short legs compared to his arms, then.

Munkey lol

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Query: How are Xenos factions faring in this AU? Orks would obviously be mostly unaffected, but how would others, like Eldar and Hrud be affected by the altered state of things? Would Tau develop like in OU? Would Necrons awaken at similar rate?

>>53485205
Khorne: "I don't do disorganized warfare, sorry"

Slaanesh: "Thoroughness is to do all that is necessary, but no more."

Nurgle: "Despair? Fucking untermenschen yielding to despair instead of purging what is weak"

Tzeentch: "Your plan isn't written in a book, each page of which has been annotated twelve times. It doesn't even registers as a plan."

Hashut: "Were it that I knew shit about tech, you may have me, but I happen to not be particularly mechanically adept."

And so Zelbezis woke up from his vision, and went on a search for materials that would prevent the Warp from coming uninvited in his mind.

I'm gonna do one of these "how do I view each other primarch" charts, may be a good first step out of "litterally who?" territory.

>Marduk Engur
Polite and contemplative. Marduk is an honorable man, but he does appear to keep his secrets close to his heart. Admirable, but potentially worrying.

Need to evaluate his adherence to the Imperial Truth.

>Pacha the Earthquake
Pacha is a kind and gentle soul, perhaps too much so. His presence is comforting, supernaturally so. A symbol of what we should all aim to be. Low level psyker.

Good cook, though the culinary arts are lost on me.

>Deshain Kane
Shares my love of long range warfare. Bitter and cruel. Whatever happened to him on Yuma did serious damage. Should not try to pry.

Might shoot Taarush Amin. Resulting conflict might be regrettable.

>Linares
Great friend. Did not get a good impression of him until the Zeconis campaign. Unapologetic and laid back, but he cares deeply about humanity. Honorable.

Should fashion him a gift before our next meeting. Plasma or bolt pistol?

>Emil Kannav
Full Psyker. Potentially very dangerous. Polite, but difficult to get a read on. Uses dangerous archeotech ‘psybernetics’ to create artificial Psykers. Never trust inexperienced Psykers.

Does father condone this? Should bring it up next time I return to Terra


>Einchurt
Acts robotic and distant. Not many get to see beyond that. Einchurt feels like he carries a heavy burden. Occasionally goes too far in his methods, but I feel like I might get him to better himself.

Shorter than me. Feels good.

>Matlalihuitl
Powerful Psyker and warrior. Mutant. Still very tribal and wild. Interesting figure, though I do not feel too much of a brotherly connection.

His sons do not share his mutation. Not part of geneseed. Perhaps worth investigating along with Lambach?

>>53489206
>Lambach Kropor
Lambach is intelligent and compassionate, perhaps too much so. He seems much younger compared to the rest of our brotherhood. Perhaps his peaceful world was too peaceful. Above average Psyker.

Seems to take the deaths of his sons very hard. Perhaps I should try to ease his thoughts.

>Je'She of the Watch
Strong and fierce. Campaigning alongside his Sentinels is enjoyable. An immaculate leader of men, greater than even me perhaps. Endlessly and effortlessly polite.

Rumors have been going around that Father might soon return to Terra. If he plans to place one of us at the helm, Je’She gets my vote.

>Isekho the Unseen
Blind, but his other senses have been heightened to such an extent that it becomes quite unnerving to look at him. Waging a campaign with the Smoke Stalkers is an interesting experience, something I am looking forward to doing again in the future.

Offered to replace his eyes with Optic Bionics, but he rejected them immediately.

>Yochin Theritax
Friendly and cultured. Yochin is a good friend, but his fanaticism is beyond anything I have seen in any of our siblings. His music is lovely and always a joy to listen to.

The Disciples wage war very loudly. Turn down auditory implants.

>Zelbezis Dyestes
He has suffered a youth similar to mine, yet I feel he walks a much darker path. I have not had the pleasure of meeting him often, but perhaps I can be of help to him.

Perhaps a gift will get him to open up to me. Heavy bolter?

>Ashur of Banipal
Ashur is kind and forgiving. Admirable traits that I appreciate in him as a friend, but I wonder if he has the level of control over his legion that our Father expects of us. Good friend.

Word has reached me from several legionnaires. The Loxodontii have a culture that might not be fully compatible with the Imperial Truth.

>>53489220
>Hayden Reliquo
Hayden is a good friend. He shares my love for patience and careful thought. Shared meditation was very insightful. Appears to be the most controlled of my Pyschic bretheren.

Should send the 113th towards the Pillars’ fronts soon. Hayden and I have much to discuss.

>Gyahdred
Gyahdred is a bizarre figure. He has shown me nothing but courtesy, and working with him on several projects has been a nice experience, but his obsession with the acquisition of new knowledge is far beyond me. I should keep an eye on him, but the best way to do that is to keep him close.

I should get him to explain his plans for overhauling the Imperium’s tax policies again.

>Valorn Adras
Valorn and his Pale Hounds are an enigma to me. I have never campaigned alongside them and I have rarely ever spoken with him. My brothers have told me their pride and perfectionist nature means they never call for aid, let alone from us.

Must try to get closer to him. Perhaps send Taarush to join their fleet for some time?

>Quaestor Krees
Krees is an honorable warrior and a true friend. I share his thoughtfulness. He stays on target, ignores distractions and rewards competence. Campaigns waged alongside the Wardens are always a success. Can’t help but boast of his accomplishments, though they make for good stories.

I should make sure he meets Linares. Might be a positive influence.

>Piter Karomonov
Piter’s upbringing would have been the same as mine, had Mother not taken me into her care. He genuinely cares about the plight of Humanity, though I feel like he might be on the brink of going too far.

Must meet Piter again soon in order to finish assessment.

>>53489230
>Mot Hadad
Mot is a vile, rude and wretched individual. None of our brothers come close in terms of his brash, bombastic egotism. His youth has broken him beyond repair. His designs are subpar.

Will have to be dealt with as soon as the Great Crusade is finished. Has no place in a peaceful age.

>Rokuten
My young brother is honorable and ambitious. Working with him on the battlefield has been pleasant enough, and his designs are quite ingenious. Einchurt and Piter are close to him, perhaps they could lend some more insight on him.

He appears to keep me at arm’s length. Must find out why.

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There we go. I get the sense that Raj really is closest to W3's Sanguinius. He gets along with everyone to atleast some extent, with the exception of Mot. His reflective personality also leads to him analysing his brothers, though he does not do this maliciously, only so he can help them come to terms with themselves. Thoughts?

>>53485205
Valorn believes in achieving perfections. not perfection singular, because being completely perfect is in his eyes a pipe dream chased only by fools. Instead Valorn views you can only be perfect at things such as shooting or driving, not be perfect yourself. Help achieving your perfections is only bad if it takes the wrong form or comes from the wrong source, but you have to make sure that YOU are achieving a perfection, not being given one by someone else.

In the end that's why Valorn opposes Chaos. A: he views that they and their "Gifts" are exactly the wrong kind of things to help achieve perfection as they try to give it rather than aid in achieving it. B: serving them seems to aid in the development of madness, which Valorn views as the ultimate imperfection as it corrupts all other perfections. C: his hackles are immediately raised by the usage of the word "Gifts" regarding the mutations of Chaos, for a gift is given freely, but the Chaos Gods expect service in return. If they are willing to lie so transparently he cannot trust them either to actually help him achieve his goals nor to be the winners of a clash between the revolutionaries, the imperium and themselves

>>53489206
>>53489220
>>53489230
>>53489246
I love the little side notes, that really makes the character. Mind if I take the idea?

>>53489374
NO! It's mine! Don't you dare copy me!

Sure, go on ahead. They were my favorite parts to write.

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I will try and make something close next weekend. Sorry this week is full of work. Everyday on stage so I can only check in for a few times.

By the way: Deshain Kane

>>53489220
I see you have noted that we campaigned together. Do you wish to write about our adventures together at some point?

>>53489939
I was considering it, yes. Unless you want to take a swing at it?

>>53489967
Go right ahead. My discord is in the spreadsheet if you would like my input on anything.

testing testing

>>53490205
Yes?

It warms my heart to see how little people like Mot Hadad. I'll have to make his legionaries likeable to make up for it.

++Primarch IX personal files++
Subject: Brothers

Marduk Engur: A leader to be respected, and a formidable warrior. However, his change of manner on and off the battlefield is disturbing. He is a brother of mine, but he is unpredictable.

Note:
I would like to get to know him better, it would be good for me to know more about his way of war.

Pacha: A strong ally and an even stronger friend to look up to. Pacha is the friend each of us brothers can count on. His humanity brings us a vision of what can come of us after this crusade. If I am to be honest, he brings me hope. Not just for me, but for the rest of my brothers.

Note:
Admirable beyond words. I would call Pacha friend. Someday, after all this is over, I will invite him to the Great City on Harrdid, and show him the gardens there.

Deshain Kane: Self-seeking and no friend of mine. He wounded a Khafir of mine for the simple act of talking against his tactics. Cruel and opportunistic. I fight alongside this ‘brother’ of mine with the greatest contempt.

Note:
I am certain Kane fights not for the Emperor and the Imperial Truth, he fights for the mere sake of war and bloodshed; and he enjoys it.

Linares: The first brother I ever saw. I still remember it to this day. He inspires us all. His relaxed demeanor puts most of us at ease. However, it must grate on some of our more solemn and serious kin. Nonetheless, his skill with blade is song-worthy, and his mind just as sharp. A firm ally to have on the battlefield if you know how to account for their close-quarters tendency.

Note:
I very much enjoy our sparring sessions. His technique is fearsome.

>>53490742
Emil Kannav: An inventor and a thinker, Emil is a gifted one indeed. Unifying a planet under his circumstances is no easy task. His gifts are truly awe-inspiring, but at what cost? However, I see in him a good person.

Note:
It is always interesting to talk with Emil over a cup of kafe. His ideas are truly fascinating.

Einchurt: I find Einchurt’s tactics distasteful, to say the least. His treatment of humanity is shocking and disturbing. His demeanor is as cold as an ice-world. However, he has a place amongst us. I would not call him a friend, but his role is needed, and he does it well and with pride. He deserves respect, not of a kind I would usually give, but I give it nevertheless.

Note:
I desire to speak with Einchurt in more depth after the crusade, and I am curious to see what role our father has for him after all this.

Matlalihuitl: Certainly a unique one. His powers have definitely manifested in strange ways. Nevertheless, he is a primarch, and therefore my brother.

Note:
The campaigns with the VIIth legion have always been enjoyable. Our tactics compliment each other’s.

Lambach Kropor: A good-natured brother that seems truly at one with himself, something that cannot be said for some others. His peaceful childhood is truly a blessing; I wish that I could have learned as much as he did. His balance between the martial and psychic arts is admirable. His tactics work well alongside others, particularly alongside the Silver Blades and the Titan Marchers. It is good that Lambach, Linares and Raj are so close. Companionship is a thing often overlooked, but it is as necessary as shade or water.

Note:
Our conversations regarding literature and poetry are thoroughly engaging. I shall need to put down a reminder to send him some Harrdinese philosophical scrolls

>>53490754
Isekho: It is a shame that my brother cannot see the world as we see it, but the way he utilises his powers to overcome his blindness is nothing short of a feat only a primarch and his space marines could achieve. His doctrines I respect as much as his values of respect and equality. It is rare that I see a legion use the pen and the word before the blade.

Note:
I am very curious to see how he experiences the deserts and oases of my homeworld. I shall take him there sometime

Yochin Theritax: A fanatic unlike I have ever seen. His drive is fearsome, but worthy of respect. I am concerned about his near-worship of our father, but his unconventional tactics are certainly unique. A driven individual.


Note:
I enjoy his softer music considerably

Zelbezis: I do not know Zelbezis particularly well. I have not had the chance of having the time to having a conversation with him. From what I hear, however, his tactics seem to speak for themselves, and a man can be discerned by their deeds. His cold and brutal tactics must stem from a cold and brutal man.

Note:
Sahir has informed me that we shall meet the XIIth legion on a joint campaign. I am curious as to how it will unfold.

Ashur: Ashur and I are very similar in some respects. Both of us are children of the caravan, and both of us are sons of the night sky and open land. We understand the good in humanity, and the love of simple pleasures. However, his love for indulgences has spread to his sons in turn, and that worries me. A rotten tree, no matter how large and glorious, will always bear bad fruit.

Note:
I need to send him some figs and spices from my gardens, as well as some honey. I think he will enjoy those

>>53490773
Hayden: A humble man. I thoroughly agree with his philosophies and thoughts on life, though I personally do not follow this ‘religion’, as his people are wont to do.

Note:
It would do a some good to send an envoy to my brother, perhaps one of my Aldrujan, definitely one of the more diplomatic of my guard

Gyahdred: I am curious about this brother of mine. His methods are as unconventional as they are effective; but something deeper lies within him. I cannot see what. There are rumours surrounding his legion, they surround him as well.

Note:
A talk with my brother would do us both some good. Doing so on his terms would probably be better, although I intend to bring gifts of my own people. Our tactics are surprisingly similar in a way, despite our different upbringing.

Valorn: Efficient and to the point. Important qualities in a soldier and a leader. Impeccable presentation of self and legion. His efforts to save his people have my deepest respect and admiration. I wish I had more time to get to know him and his legion, but he seems adamant on fighting in the Great Crusade alone. I see many aspects of myself in Valorn. It is a pity we are distant.

Note:
If Valorn desires it, I will give all effort in aiding him in finding his people a new home more akin to their old world rather than a hive planet after the crusade

Raj Vokar: The second brother I met. His tactics are, quite honestly, inspiring. He is a brilliant tactician and a good person. I enjoy our occasional games of regicide. He is offensive whereas I am defensive. It is humorous to see the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object on the board. I am glad I have a brother like him.

Note:
Perhaps it would be productive in opening talks between his techmarines and my own. A more durable armour pattern for my defensive companies would be most welcome.

>>53490795
Quastor Krees: A hardened warrior and talented leader. My brother Krees is as hard as steel and just as cold. His legionnaires are soldiers in the truest sense and are as loyal as their genesire. That I can admire.

Note:
Perhaps a joint military parade would be the way to bond with my brother. I shall suggest it to him when our paths cross.

Piter: A man of the people, the iron bear is a fearsome soldier from what I hear, and his legion is a force to be reckoned with.

Note:
Piter, Mot and Rotuken seem to be close. This may be a good thing, but I feel a sour tang to this triarch of my brothers

Mot Hadad: We were created to be leaders, not tyrants. My brother has confused the two. This both saddens and angers me.


Note:
It concerns me that I have not heard much from my brother. I should press this matter when I have time

Rokuten: My campaigns alongside Rokuten and the Ogre Legion have been some of the hardest fought I have ever experienced. We fight well enough alongside one another, but my brother seems to distance himself from me.

Note:
I have heard from my legionnaires that fighting alongside the Ogre Legion is inspiring. However, their blind fanaticism towards their primarch is concerning

>>53490742
>The first brother I ever saw.
Who did each primary meet first?

>>53490814
I think that before we can truly answer that, we'd need to finish up the discovery order.

>>53490742
>>53490754
>>53490773
>>53490795
>>53490806
Good stuff man. Gives lots more insight into Je'She's thoughts.

>>53490842
Thanks man. I'm glad you like it

>>53490708
That would be cool. Do you wanna do some sort of thing between a Forge Lord Captain and a Sentinel Khafir?

What do you say of a gambling Night between primarchs?

>>53488445
If the Seps really take over the Ultramar area as their base of operations, the Tau would probably get crushed in their stone age infancy with such a vastly higher amount of Imperial forces in the area than there were in canon.

Eldar and Hrud? I see no reason for them to be severely helped or hindered unless the Ruinstorm happens to eat a bunch of Craftworlds or something. And that would only be by author fiat, so we're free to choose how severe of an impact it has.

Necrons would also probably act as normal, unless someone specifically wants to write it differently for whatever reason.

>>53491823
Pacha will bring in the snacks!

>>53490806
>I have heard from my legionnaires that fighting alongside the Ogre Legion is inspiring. However, their blind fanaticism towards their primarch is concerning
Nothing to be concerned about, loving your primarch is your job as a space marine. Pays well too.

>>53491841
I've suggested several times that the Seps decide to fill up their need for labor by enslaving Xenos races, like the Tau. That's what I imagined would happen to them.

>>53491918
I agree. It's reasonable for a nation of xenophobes.

>>53491869
Im going with it. Stay tuned.

>>53491918
>elf slave wat do?

Idk dude, maybe turning them all into blue-painted servitors or something would be ok, but being whip-cracking slavedrivers just seems a little screwy to write about. If you guys really think it's absolutely essential then go for it, but I won't be writing the Steel Souls that way.

>>53491918
Why waste human lives on tech-thralls when you can use xenos as servitors, leaving Homo Sapiens' inherently superior mind as auxilia, retaining the ingenuity and individuality that made them rise as masters of the galaxy?

>>53491918
History has shown that slaves are almost never the best way of doing things unless you're literally killing them off constantly and not bothering to replace them, clothe them, feed them, etc. And that's not sustainable obviously.

Society has to dedicate so much of its resources to controlling the slaves that they're a net economic malus, plus the ever looming fear of slave revolts. And in 40k, there's always the Gods looking for whispers of desperate people to give power. You start enslaving xenos, you're going to have Chaos Spawn up your dickhole every time you turn your back. It's the worst possible foundation you could have for your empire in the 40k universe.

So, Rokuten, Pacha, Lambach, Je'She and Raj arrive at Kadir...

It was one of those rare moments when the Legions could take a break, and retreat from battle. Following a campaing debrief, Pacha suggested going to rest somewhere, before returning to the exigencies of the Great Crusade. Raj, Je'She, Lambach, Rokuten and Linares agreeded.

Linares proposed going to Kadir, as a lack of good ideas was noticeable, playing poker, and doing some brother stuff. No one opposed, and a few minutes later, a date for the meeting was given.

Pacha brought the snacks.
Raj brought a Lirarian.
Lambach brought some grapes from Miletus.
Je'She brought the music
Rokuten brought a lot of money
Linares hosted the game, and served the drinks.

Shortly after lunch, Kadirian lunch-time, of course, arrived Pacha. Linares met him at the main landing pad, the two Astartes greeting each other, providing the ironic picture of the gigantic, silver-clad Linares and the smaller, with golden, black and red armor Pacha.

>>53492847
Both primarchs went inside the main citadel, a magnificent structure called the Alcázar. There, Linares guided the Plant Singer inside the room where the game was to be allocated. Servitors brought the snacks from Pacha's gunship, and Linares offered a drink to his brother.

"You don't know how much I hate servitors...I prefer using normal humans. They make my hair stand on end..."
"I'm sorry, brother. I didn't intended to bother you."
"I know, Pacha. And well, I will have to cope with them for some time. Don't worry"

Suddenly, a Silver Blade came to the room. His name was Cortez, one of the Grandes Maestres of the Silver Blades.

"Que ocurre, Cortez?" (What happens, Cortez)
"Su hermano Lambach ha entrado en orbita, Señor" (Your brother Lambach has entered orbit, Sir)

Pacha stared at the Gran Maestre, trying to figure out what did he said. It wasn't necessary, as Linares quickly translated the conversation to him

"Time to bring the wine, Eartquake!"
I have to go, will continue later. Sorry

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Calixis Sector. In the galactic Northwest from the Eye of Terror lies the Calyx Expanse: the gate to Koronus Expanse and from there, the Halo Stars.
Vast natural resources lie beneath the surface of its worlds. Some worlds, such as the Lathe System even produce materials that can be found nowhere else naturally.
Home to several Xenos species, most of which have little more than a few planets under their control. Most of the sector is free of Orks, and only one Eldar Craftworld passesby, once every thousand years. Millions of human souls, descendants of settlers from ages before the birth of the Imperium.
Plain and exotic, even mind-boggling and nigh otherworldly places await within its borders.
It is a sector at the far edge of the realms of Man, and likely one of the last to be taken by any faction as it provides little advantage in the eternal war that other, better positioned sectors couldn't provide to an extent.
However, there are things Man was not supposed to know. Things that no living being should witness. In the dark cold space of Calyx Expanse that the Eldar shun, strange things lurk, waiting.

"It is an ill-omened place, my lord. Cursed, they say, a fount of witches and other foulness. A chalice of corruption, haunted by a dead sun. They say it is but a matter of time before the stars align and the entire place is torn asunder by Daemons. Of course, they say that about a great many places. But in this case, master, the Tarot indicates it is actually true."
-Diviner Adept Harpious Mundis

>>53492480
>History has shown that slaves are almost never the best way of doing things unless you're literally killing them off constantly and not bothering to replace them, clothe them, feed them, etc. And that's not sustainable obviously.
It worked in the south.
>Society has to dedicate so much of its resources to controlling the slaves that they're a net economic malus, plus the ever looming fear of slave revolts.
Apply local police force when necessary.
>And in 40k, there's always the Gods looking for whispers of desperate people to give power. You start enslaving xenos, you're going to have Chaos Spawn up your dickhole every time you turn your back. It's the worst possible foundation you could have for your empire in the 40k universe.
Good point.

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Don't remember which of the Threads it was in but the first of two special units for the Ussars.


>Lector:
As the Ussaran's do not make use of librarians as is ordained in other, pro-psyker legions; the librarian role is taken up by the Lector. The Lector is as much a historian as they are a warrior tasked with recording the history of their legion as well as the censure of others. Drawn from the early ranks of recruits, with those showing iron-clad will and strength of character chosen to follow the path. Upon graduation from their initial training these recruits do not go down the path of assault marine as the Ussaran's battle doctrine demands; instead being placed into tactical squads beneath a full-fledged Lector of the companies Historia.

In this role the marine is both combatant and learner, defending his charge as he demonstrates the Legions dark practice of cultural annihilation. After such time that the marine in question has proven both his ability in recalling the chapters history, writing it and both the study and destruction of his foes will be be sworn into the Historian as a full Lector.

Wielding into battle the helm of his office; the Lector is armed with a power Spear and hand flamer to aid him against combatants, historians and libraries alike. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it; and those without a history are doomed to vanish.

>>53494110
Wow, where'd you find the Freaky Fred/Cheshire-Cat smile helmet? I've used the marine maker a shitload and never seen it show up. Is it a custom sprite you made?

>>53477164

Just popped in to see what all this was after seeing it in the cat a log for so long and....have you up and created entirely new primarchs? If so, kudos, that's hella farther than most of these go.

>>53494098
Caveat to that point:

Speaking as a Southerner, slavery was one of the major reasons we never got off our ass and built any real industry back in the day. Investing so many resources into keeping a slaveholding society stable basically kneecapped us from the very beginning in the Civil War.

Doubly so since we couldn't even use our full manpower to fight the war, for fear of rebellion when all the men with guns were away from home. I would not say it "worked" for the South. It just didn't immediately fail.

>>53494098
>>53494208
The Tau aren't in touch with the Warp though. I doubt daemons would go much for them.

>>53494158
Yeah, we've got 21 new dudes. That list isn't complete, it's just the discovery order.

>>53494158
We're pretty much the third installment of "ALL NEW PRIMARCHS: A 40K FAN EFFORT". But thank you, we appreciate the kudos.

>>53494228
>>53494226

So you've made 21 then? All fleshed out? I assume it was 21 for the even three way split of 7 7 7. Are any of them similar to old primarchs or are they all completely original? And is it too late to get in on this?

>>53494296
They're not all fleshed out yet, we all have a great deal of work yet to accomplish. As far as originality goes? That's mostly in the eye of the beholder for making that judgement. None of them are carbon copies at least, so far as I can see.

>>53494296
They're all as original as can be expected. As for a slot being open, not really. Some legions have been kind of inactive, but I don't think anyone is actually gone.

Except for the Pillars of Balance actually. Is that anon still around? The doc lists him as MIA.

>>53494296
there's always going to be some similarity to other primarchs, but there's also a degree of originality. As for if it's too late, we have all 21 legions spots full, but only at this moment in time, cause people might vanish for too long and we might end up having to clear their spot and then someone else can fill it. even if that doesn't happen, there's still plenty else to work on besides Space marines, such as human auxiliaries and new elder aspects like the ones Rokuten's been fixing up.

on that subject, would an aspect path based around the primal and savage nature of war work? or is that fully dark elder territory

>>53494426

Well I wasnt neccisarily trying to get a slot or propose a legion or anything, maybe just help kick around ideas and do a bit of writefagging if no one minded. Seems to me the bare bones are already here I just wanted to know of there was anything I could do to participate/contribute. I wouldn't dream of trying to come in this late in the process and shake things up.

>>53494438
Dark Eldar don't try to embody an aspect to such a religious degree, but Eldar giving in to what basically can only be described as primal fury borders on giving up all composure, which is their primary defense against Chaos, which is why I believe they wouldn't go down that road.

>>53494438

...if human auxiliaries are open...I might like to take a stab at that if no one objects. If you hate it you can just boot me anyway.

>>53494479
Just show us what you've got man. Stick around, maybe a spot'll open up, otherwise you can just throw ideas around. I spent the 'previous' project, Imperium Asunder, without any faction.

>>53494470
Thanks, just wanted to check if it was a daft idea or not.
>>53494479
Go right ahead. At the moment we only have one auxiliary force so a new one would be welcome

>>53494479
Well I've been slowly working on the legion I have in addition to the random wargear and whatnot that I offer to make. I'd Be happy to have backup.

>>53494479
By all means, go for it.

>>53493002
Lambach was already at the landing pad when Pacha and Linares arrived. Lambach greeted them both, and the chat started. When they were about to return to the room, two transports appeared over the horizon, flying in close formation, and closing in with the Alcázar. They landed at the landing pad, and two big figures emerged from the aircrafts, surrounded by the engines' smoke.

Linares recognised the first one, a figure full of strange appendices, everywhere. Too distinctive to be any other option. Linares greeted his dearest brother.

"RAJ, BROTHER! Nice to meet you again!"
Bro fist between the two
"Too much time without me, brother? It has been only...I don't know...two weeks?"
"Maybe, I missed you. They have been way too quiet down here"

Rokuten greeted Lambach and Pacha, and then, Linares, when he finished with Raj. Rokuten was a little bit out of place there, but the four primarchs were on the mood of making him as comfortable as possible.

Linares ordered a table, chairs, some bread, cheese and beer to be brought from the citadel, and the five men sitted down to wait Je'She.

"I have something prepared for him. Do not drink from this cup"
"But, brother, what have you done?"
"I have painted the edge of the cup with a chemical product, that, when in contact with saliva, turns red. You will see what happens, just follow me, okay?"
"Okay, just don't poison our brother."

And they sitted there, waiting for their brother, talking, drinking, and laughing as only these primarchs can do.

I have a busy afternoon, will continue later.

>>53494550

How can I help?

>>53494534
>>53494514
>>53494572

As for an auxiliary force how does the concept of a forward scouting and intelligence gathering organization sound? It's very important in military operations to have sound intelligence. Nowa days a lot of that is accomplished with satellites, but the crusad wouldn't have been able to rely on that since they wouldn't have satellites in place before they jumped in. Before they commuted troops to a system rather than just jumping in blind it would be wise to check out the lay of the land and gather information on what they would encounter when the legions got there. Therefore I'm proposing an auxiliary force whose purpose is to insert a small ship with a few teams of specialists unto a system to gather intelligence and identify key targets prior to the legions arrival. Way I figure it you'd need eyes and ears on the ground, and highly trained regular humans would be less conspicuous than superhuman giants. That's the base concept at least, if you all like it I'll develop it further.

>>53494981
Seems reasonable. Two things to consider though:

1, many Legions don't give a damn about scouting, they're there to destroy shit and wreck the place. And most of the time, they're strong enough to do so. And they're not going to want to wait for scouts to go in and do their thing. (hell, the Emperor might feel the same way, he's on a timetable after all)

2, that's a high-variance sort of job. If there's not much to get the scouts killed, there's also not much worth reporting about. Conversely, if there IS something worth reporting, there's probably a good chance that all the scouts are just going to die. They warp into a shitload of Orks? Yes, the Crusade would want to know. But no, the scouts probably won't live long enough to report back, since they're *not* superhuman killing machines.

>>53495067

Valid points.I'll go back to the drawing board then I suppose.

>>53495126
That said....

It's something that the group would have to decide on since it represents a *very* high power level for the scouts but...

These scouts would have to be very, very skilled to complete such missions and return alive. I could almost see them being a seed that later gets incorporated into the Imperial Assassin program. Probably not anything to do with Eversors or Culexus Assassins, but Vindicares and Callidus Assassins?

Both of those two subtypes must fulfill similar tasks with similar skills. Maybe something that the Scouts learn becomes part of that training corps, or perhaps some of their most successful members go on to become the initial nucleus for those Assassin schools.

IDK. Like I say, more people than just myself would have to weigh in on that kind of concept.

>>53495067

To be fair to that guy though the scouts not reporting would be an indication of something on the other end that prevented them from doing so. so even if they all die it could warn the legions that there is something on the other side.

>>53495241
True, but if all you want is a tripwire, it'd be better/cheaper/easier to send some random convicts through in a lifeboat rather than losing skilled personnel and a proper ship.

>>53495231

That is something to consider. I was intending for them to be fairly elite, but I wouldn't presume to have had them as the predecessors of the Temples. I was just trying to think of something a little different. I mean generally speaking all the regular Human auxiliaries were for was occupying planets after the space marines took them, or maybe contributing a few bodies. I was just looking for a role that they could fulfill that would be important but wouldn't encroach on the legions territory, and intelligence gathering was the first thing that came to mind.

While we are on the subject of the Temples though there is something I would like to throw out there. In one of the first HH novels they conquer a planet of humans that had a elite warrior cast known as the Invisibles. They used a force field projecting technology that could refract light around them to make them invisible as long as they weren't moving (if they were moving they left behind slight traces, which were compared to heat distortions) and which could be used offensively to cut and crush even the space marines power armor. The book says the Mechanicum was going to reverse engineer it, but it never comes up again. What if in this verse it does get successfully reverse engineered and ultimately leads to the creation of a new assassin temple?

>>53494981
Well, if you take a look at the SepMech tech sheet (should be on the speadsheet) there's a IG regiment idea for a jungle/xeno/eventually nid using a patten of Lasgun. Haven't had the time to write it out.

>>53495898

>Ripley pattern Las gun

Nice. I'd imagine it looks somewhat like a compact sub automatic then? Collapsable stock like you said. The length of the barrel would mean it wouldn't be very accurate at a range (assuming Las ballistics is anything like regular ballistic ls) but that really isn't an issue with what it's designed and used for. The underslung grenade Launcher is an interesting idea, but I don't know that one could be fit onto a weapon as compact as I'm imagining this being. All in all it looks like an interesting idea to me, what did you feel needed more filling out with it?

>>53473114
To the Silverish Guy, our resident map-maker, I decided where I want Nonimat IV to be. I wrote it on the google doc, but it's at the center of the triangle formed by Ryza, Davin and Chemos.

I may wind up using the Maelstrom in part of Nonimat's lore one of these decades, so I like the proximity. Could be that the power which stole their star also formed the Maelstrom way back when.

>>53495126
I think an elite scout force does have some merit. Getting in-system is a matter of their ships, as opposed to the dudes inside. They won't be as good as Astartes, but I think Catachans are pretty good at scouting and the like, as are the Tallarn. Storm troopers too.

>>53498204
Just a paired regiment to go along with the rifle. Think USMC from aliens meets catachan

>>53473114
Knock knock, anyone still awake?

>>53501174
I am, but I have to go in half an hour so I may as well be asleep

>>53498505
Acknowledged

>>53501174
Me, going to bed soon


Also, the scouting thing: The Silver Blades have their own scouts inside the Legion. They are trained and equipped to do reconnaissance stuff, and to support covert ops. Sometimes, the Blades use Kadirian Regiments' troops as a vanguard recon force.

>>53501174
I'm playing MWO. B33f just inspired me to do a PPC build.

>>53501412
Nice. I've been butchering people with a 2LBX20/3ASRM6/3MPL Boiler Supernova build.

100 alpha strike damage ain't nothing to fuck with, and it's surprisingly maneuverable even without mobility quirks.

>>53473114
Are there any massive fanfics where the emperor didn't fucking die/put in golden wheelchair? I would like to contribute to a universe where chaosfags lost, Horus was raped to death by Sanguinus, and the Emperor completed his human webay project and dismantled the fucking rebellion and learned from his mistakes and became a better father. There would still be the forces of chaos, of course, but no or barely any CSM left, all fallen primarchs killed even as they ascended.

>>53501412
>>53501429
What are you talking about?

>>53501514
There's almost certainly a story like that out there somewhere, but I don't know of any off the top of my head. Good luck finding it though!

>>53501527
Mechwarrior Online. It's a videogame.

>>53501771
Thanks!

>>53501514
Sounds like the perfect prompt for you to start a thread with. Run it up the flagpole, see who likes it.

>>53501771
>>53502227
I can't write fanfiction because I don't have autism levels of knowledge about the universe. Was just hoping someone had, and did write up something like this trying to predict what would come of it.

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>Marduk Engur
I share his interest in ancient texts, and would like nothing more than to sit and discuss these things with him.
I respect him greatly as a warrior and a Commander, but I can tell there is something more to him than he lets show on the surface.

>Pacha the Earthquake
Pacha and I have a shared experience in that we both experienced humble beginnings. For this reason he has my trust.
I would like very much to learn more about his Plant singing abilities. Perhaps Miletus could benefit.

>Deshain Kane
While I find my Brothers peculiar "talents" with pistols fascinating I also find it very hard to reach a common ground with him.
He is quick to anger and has a deplorable disinterest in integrating those he finds easier to kill.
Once I admired his commitment to keeping his men safe, but we are here to protect those weaker and sometimes sacrifice must be made on their behalf.
Kane does not seem to understand that.
>Linares the Lord Of The Ale
I owe my Brother a lot, he assisted me greatly when I was a fledgling and still to this day treats me like his "little brother".
His cheerful attitude meshes well with my own. If he calls I will answer.

>Emil Kannav
Possibly the most powerful Psyker amongst us. I respect my brothers advancements in the fields greatly.
However he is prone to bursts of emotion which can be dangerous when coupled with someone of his unique talents.

>Einchurt
He is hard to read, but as far as I can tell I think he may like me, in his own way?
I get the feeling that he finds me ill prepared for the life I must lead, I will take any advice he wishes to give freely.
I believe his two dimensional personality is possibly a charade to keep others off guard.

>>53502833
>Matlalihuitl
Another Psyker more powerful than myself, I find my brother fascinating.
How easily could his... unique appearance have been transferred to myself or one of my brothers?

>Je'She of the Watch
I find Je'she to be a kindred spirit. While he certainly enjoys a good fight, I get the feeling he would be just as happy to never need to lift his blade again.
He treats all of our brothers with the respect they are due and in him there is a great well of wisdom to be both respected and admired.
Je'she has the potential to be the best of us and I am honored to call him brother and friend.

>Isekho The Unseen
Were it within my power I would grant my brother vision, even if just briefly so that he may look upon some of the wondrous artworks he and his sons have created.
Though I doubt he would accept my offer even if I could make it. Isekho has time and again proven to be a useful ally.

>Yochin Theritax
This is a brother who interests me greatly. The way he and his Legion make war is, different.
He claims to focus entirely on the morally correct way to conduct oneself but is living proof that morales can be a matter of perspective.
I once questioned him on the morality of using Promethium to burn a man to death, a favored choice of weaponry for his Legion. He did not seem to understand the question.
>Zelbezis Dyestes
Zelbezis, I wish I knew more about him but he does not seem interested in sharing.
He has shown to be dependable on the battlefield, what more can we ask of him?

>>53502863
>Ashur of Banipal
I would wish for a closer relationship with Ashur but for whatever reason he prefers to keep me at arms length.
I get the feeling that prying could possibly lead to hostilities. Perhaps it is because I came from a more peaceful upbringing. The Stories Raj has told me of Ashurs past chill me.

>Hayden Reliquo
I have not had much chance to deal with this brother, something I regret as Je'she speaks highly of him. Je'she's praise is high praise as far as I am concerned.

>Gyahdred
A brother who has shown me a great deal of trust with a secret he is too ashamed (perhaps scared) to show to any others.
I will go out of my way to assist Gyahdred in anyway I can. I am perhaps lucky to count myself as his one of his truest friends.

>Valorn Adras
Valorn gives me the impression that he does not need the rest of us. But regardless I enjoy his company, when in good spirits.
A man of few words and fewer mistakes. I worry that compared to his meticulous presentation I may seem almost slovenly. It makes me wonder how he and Linares could possibly be related.

>Raj Vokar
Ahh Raj, the yin to my yang. How could the two of us be so similar while also being so greatly different? As they say great minds think alike and Raj and I are in tune there. Our appearances however are on vastly different ends of the scales.
Raj is always outdoing me in extravagance, while not being too different from myself, for example I favor Dreadnaughts so of course he favors Titans.
He is the true glue of our Brotherhood and I am lucky to call him friend.
My favorite regicide opponent.

>>53502894
>Quaestor Krees
Of all my Brothers Quaestor is a soldier. He requires one thing more than any other. Respect, but the man has no trouble earning it.

>Piter Karomonov
Piter is a man of the people and when the crusades are done, more than anything we need a man of the people.
Piter certainly has earned the trust we all place in him.

>Mot Hadad
I know many of our brothers dislike Mot, Raj can barely stand to be in the same room as the man. He certainly has a certain way about him.
What our father intends for him after the crusade I can not hope to fathom, but Mot has a knack for all things political. Though I fear twisted by his upbringing.
I have spent many hours in debate with Mot and believe there is more to him than just the tyrant seen by my brothers.

>Rokuten
The man places honor above all else, and while I can respect that I feel Rokuten misses out on the more simple pleasures of life.
We will not always be warriors, but if we were Rokuten would be a man to follow. Perhaps even mighty Linares may meet his match in a bout with Rokuten.

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>>53502921
>The man places honor above all else, and while I can respect that I feel Rokuten misses out on the more simple pleasures of life.
>We will not always be warriors, but if we were Rokuten would be a man to follow. Perhaps even mighty Linares may meet his match in a bout with Rokuten.
Just. As. Planned.

>>53502995
Good old Space Jin. I can feel my balls aching from here.

>>53503067
I hate the ball-busting stuff, I just like the art style.

>>53503159
Yeah, me too. He's got such an energy in his artwork, but he needs to go ahead and have some weeb chick cut off his balls and eat them already so he can go draw less squicky shit, lol.

>>53473114
bump cause everyone's asleep or some shit

>>53504819
I'm helping a /v/tard find porn of Link.

>>53504819
I'm here, and with my girlfriend finally on her plane home I can recommence working with you fine gentlemen

>>53504819
Slow day

>Knights of Zharr
When Mot Hadad unified Zharr-Naggrund, he merged all of the noble houdes that swore fealty to him into one monolithic entity. This newly formed House of Zharr was promised new lands on distant world's conquered in the name of the Emperor, and support the Forge Lords in nearly every campaign. These nobles then foresee the construction of new manufactorums on pacified worlds to create wargear for the Legion and ever more Knight-titans to bolster the strength of the House of Zharr.

>>53501514

Well that sounds like a fix it fic to me. I can't say I've seen that specific fix it, but I read one on alternate histories where the emperor wasn't a cunt and actually tried to be a father to the primarchs, and as such there was no Horus Heresy, however there were still space marines who fell to Chaos.

>>53491823
Like Next Gen. Gods, Gyahdred would be trying to figure out the probabilities and once he'd done that, he'd try and devise ways of measuring increases in perspiration.

Under the weather atm, so here's a shitty v1 of Gyahdred's opinions.

>Deshain
Rash and overly aggressive persona indicates high probability of deepseated instability. Psycho-projections suggest eventual break with the Imperium due to resentment of authority. See appended file for potential counter strategies.

>Linares
Informal demeanor and apparently open attitude seem indeed to be genuine. He is a "friendly guy". Stalwart ally. Will reciprocate affection, but should additional inducement be required, Dreadnought wing upkeep likely to place strain on resources, help likely to be appreciated.

>Emil
Less than forthcoming with information on techniques and the warp. Cites accumulated culture of his homeworld. Data insufficient to resolve true reason. May be emotional insecurity or desire for superiority. May also be nature of warp see Analysis of Emperor's Edicts cr Imperial Truth, Warp Phenomenon [Classified].
My gut says he's decent. I'll have to try to get closer.

>Yochin
Illogical reverence for the Emperor. Irrational attitude with tendency to make mistakes in causal assessments, illusion of certainty. None the less, astute, not to be underestimated as a mere fanatic. Probable threat to Imperium in 100 +- 50 years. Definite threat to human development. See appended file.

>Mot
Unstable personality. Behavior suggests plans to build personal power base. Value schema ensnared by illusions. Forge craft crude but effective. Potential for rebellion. Locus for unstable elements in the Mechanicum.

>>53508068
>Rokuten
Ambitious. Ensnared by illusion and impermanence, balanced by detachment and oneness in action. His motives are flawed, but his means are skillful. Additional data required to discern most likely outcome at crusade's end. Desire for glory may be potential means for enacting positive change. Send him industrial organisation plans, tax reform, etc. Also submit refit plans.
Regardless of his future, he's good company.

>Pacha
Synthetic approach to battle, with efficiency rising from complex interrelation of component parts. Potential link to fascination with culinary arts to be investigated. Design of legion suggests far subtler mind than down to earth persona. Desirable ally. Also seems like a good friend.

And I think I'm going to go to bed now.

>>53508171
Ok, I lied.
Here's Gyahdred on Gyahdred:
In compiling these assessments, I felt the urge to turn my psychometry upon myself. A test, if you will.
I can only imagine what my brothers must think of me. A cross section of public data and known rumors fed into my data looms presented a most unflattering picture.
Even without curse related irregularity, my models suggest that misunderstanding of the Cult Mechanicum and my utilization of certain less common technologies would result in a questionable reputation. My legion's shadowy specializations and often classified operations would tend to further this. Compiled data suggests my legion is among the most frequent users of proscribed weapons, perhaps first in rad weapons, second in phosphex, and third in various toxins. The data would also suggest that I am among the most frequent to enact exterminatus. My apothecarion is most experienced in alien autopsy and data suggests that I am the most likely to salvage enemy technology and war engines.
Simultaneously, I am among the last to be called for liberation campaigns. In a survey of media, my legion is featured in only 2% of media that depicts astartes and typically as a plot device and only once directly saving mortals. I could go on, but between that and the misunderstanding of ritual and curse control practices, it is a wonder that I am not as dreaded as Einchurt. That Lambach came as a friend speaks to his humanity.

Projections suggest that Lambach's friendship and positive relationships with other primarch should improve my reputation, but beyond that I do not know what I can do. The curse is a fact of my legion and cerebro surgery is the best course. Seclusion is a necessity.
Though I suspect that this plays into my own tendencies. I prefer my forge to the public forum and I am not comfortable with the adoration of the masses. The shadows suit me. The forge suits me. Drafting policy suits me. Perhaps that is a way to improve myself...

>>53508814
... I will have to draft a more efficient management policy, relying on subdomains, provinces, and circulate it. Perhaps take it to Malcador. I project this will force me into a more public role while remaining within tolerances. I suspect that deep down I fear that the great events of the Imperium will pass me by if I remain on the fringes and I care too much for human destiny to allow that to pass. I am not some warhawk content to hunt. Psycho-projections suggest I value the ideals of the Emperor over the Emperor, the ideals of the Crusade over the Crusade, and the ideals of my legion over my legion. Perhaps this is the cause of my impassable rift with Einchurt, for i cannot imagine any other way of being.
Legion fiefdoms are minor, but are running at high efficiency, with low unrest. I am proud of that. Several new designs are also entering testing. For tactical assessment see appended file.
On to the rest.

>>53473114
that khorne legion is hella stupid

>>53508814
>>53508974
Is Gyahdred our resident autist?

Some things I'd like to know/get done:
>Is Lotus Eater/Pillars of Balance anon still around?
>Fill out the discovery order. Just pick a number people! Also, some of the Warmasters should be moved to the top of the list.
>Work out more fluff on some of the under-represented legions. I specifically want everyone to finish up their Primarch origins.
>Get some decent work done in regards to the Galaxy map
>Choose a number for your Primarch's expedition fleet and a name for the flagship, put that in the Spreadsheet.

Pacha's opinion on his brothers

>Marduk Engur
A good warrior, and a good leader. He seems to close himself to the rest of us, however. I worry about that.

>Deshain Kane
I hate to say this, but my brother is not a good man. He loses himself in the violence of battle too much and saying he has a bad temper is almost lying for being that much of an under-representation. I'm not sure if we can find common ground on anything.

>Linares
When we first met, some sort of primal instinct screamed at me to be careful. I can't be more glad that my instincts were proven wrong. I like fighting alongside my brother and his legion. I like to have the best food and drink the two of us can procure together. I like having a good laugh with him. I only haven't told him he's my favorite older brother because it might hurt the feelings of my other older brothers.

>Emil Kannav

Despite his body being largely machine and not flesh, I still feel the warmth of his heart and his care for the common man. He feels like I do. I respect his psychic prowess which I'll never match. His people are hardened by their environment, and we two perhaps would have become the other had our homeworlds been switched. Perhaps, once the Crusade is over, I'll prepare a planet for him and his people to live happily in. I should talk to Father about this.

>Einchurt

Brother Einchurt is cold and brutal. Yet I don't feel malice in him, nor does he seem to enjoy his works, even if he'd never admit to it. He only does what he thinks necessary. Perhaps once this is all over we can forget his bleaker actions and just laugh together.

>Matlalihuitl
He looks funny. His Legion and mine aren't all that different, although their traditions are rather odd, in a way that ticks me off for some reason...

>>53509271
Don't forget to paste this into your file.

Actually, that goes for everyone. Just because it's in the threads doesn't mean you shouldn't keep track of it in your personal doc.

>>53509303
Will do once I'm done with all the brothers. Keeping it in an offline doc atm.

>>53509271

>Lambach Kropor

Brother is smart and learned, in a way that sometimes makes me feel lacking. Yet he's not arrogant for it, and is good brother. I can trust to ask him for advice. He seems to be interested in learning more. Perhaps my archives on plant singing and agriculture could be of some use. We brothers should help each other, and it goes both ways.

>Je'She

The brother that I always listen to. His words are always right on the spot and well-said. He's also a good man, and shares the same care for the civilians that I do. However, in a way, the fact that he takes the role as leader makes it a bit harder for me to get as close to him as I am with brother Linares. His people's music is good too.

>Isehko

He's the most merciful of us, and that's good. Where I'll swing my hammer without a shred of doubt in battle, brother will do his best to take down his foes with the least number of casualties. His senses are sharper than mine and he has found flaws that I couldn't identify in my cooking a couple times. In a way, there's many lessons for me to learn from him.

>>53509324
>Yochin

Despite his dedication to the Crusade, I must reject my brother's beliefs. I refuse to accept that the weary man who came to my home for food and shelter for the night wasn't also my Father and not just an illusion to test me. He's a human like all of us. To lose sight of that would be to betray him.

>Zelbezis

I need to have the chance to have a good talk with my brother. I've heard of his Legion's actions, but is he like Deshain, or like Einchurt?

>Ashur

The two of us get rather well. He's a good man, and a brother I enjoy spending time with. Yet I worry, for his Legion does not always reflect the man that he is...

>Hayden Reliquo

Brother controls himself and his Legion far too much for them to be able to properly live life, yet is it perhaps because of their psyker powers? I've heard of what has happened to those that lose control, and perhaps this is the way he makes sure none of his children are lost. I shouldn't think of this, but I'm glad that the large majority of mine who develop psychic abilities do it at a low enough level for the risks to be nearly nonexistant.

>Gyahdred

He closes himself to most of us far too much, and thus I don't really know how to think of him. I heard he is quite interested in xenotech and finding new information. I don't care about that, Lambach is just as interested in the latter and he's a good brother.

>Valorn Adras

He is uppity and arrogant. I don't like that. Yet he is also incredibly hard working, and always strives for the best result. I am not particularly friendly with him, but I feel a lot of respect in his regard.

>Raj Vokar

A great leader and good soldier. Raj is in some ways similar to Linares and in some to Lambach. He seems to prefer simpler flavors, but that is fine too (A shame, that one meal took me hours to prepare and more to perfect). A good brother.

>>53494903
Cont:

Je'She arrived an hour later. The gunship landed, and the primarch dropped from it.

"Like...one hour and ten minutes late, brother. Don't worry, you are still on time"
"Sorry, Linares. I was clarifying some things of the crusade with my generals. May we continue?"
"Of course, we haven't even started. Here, take some beer, brother."

The primarch took the cup, and all the primarchs toasted, in the honour of the Crusade, their Legions, and the Emperor.

After drinking, all primarchs stared at Je´She's cup. Its edge has turned red, with more or less the same shape of the mark left by a woman with her lips painted.

"Brother, did you painted your lips to look good this night?", said Pacha
"What? No, this isn't mine!"
"Well, it wasn't there when I gave you the cup, it must be the reason, brother"

The laughter surrounding the embarassing situation of Je'She, a friendly, without malice laughter, made Je'She know that he was just trolled.

They went to the room where the poker was being held. They put off their power armors, because they were at a safe place, having a friendly game. No need for them.

Rokuten: Have you brought enough money? I can lend you some if you need.
Lambach: I have enough. I trust in my luck to stay in the game.

Everything was ready, the Legion's serfs brought the drinks and snacks. Linares was the dealer, and explained the rules. The first blind bet was made, the cards shuffled, given and placed.

Linares: Who goes?
Lambach: I'm going. 10 more.
Rokuten: Wow, that's a lot, are you playing risky?
Pacha: I see it.
Raj: I go 5 more.

And the bets started to grow. When the bet reached 500 Imperial Credits per primarch, Pacha retired. Rokuten played hard, with high bets and no hope of winning. Lambach stayed back when everything started to scalate, focusing on the game.

Rokuten: So, how do you see the Crusade?
Raj: It's going fine, I think. The orks are going to be a problem, and Father seems...weird. He is planning something.

>>53509564
And the last few

>Quaestor Krees

In a way, the ideal soldier. Reserved, tactical, and competent. I respect him, but just as with Gyahdred, I'd like him to open up more to the rest of us.

>Piter Karomonov

The people's man indeed. In a way, his ideals are just. However, we need hierarchy and respect towards our superiors for things to go properly. Even if the ruler doesn't need to be a tyrant, the subject must still pay fealty.

>Mot Hadad

Where I struggled to admit it with Deshain, this time I don't bear doubts or second thoughts. Brother Mot is on the wrong path. He would crush all those below him should they dare disagree, and he is self-serving. His heart is not on the right place. I should talk with brothers Linares and Je'She of what to do about the situation.

>Rokuten

A honorable warrior, one that I cannot hope to match in combat. Yet, for some reason, he feels distant, and that I cannot guess why worries me.

Somehow I would find it nice it Pascha could sooth Kane and becoming friends with him. Even close friends. Would represent the cycle oft creation and destruction.. Of peace and wrath.

>>53509884
Would be nice indeed, but Pacha is staying loyalist and Kane is going with Khorne.
When Pacha would come to know of this, it wouldn't be 'I knew it', but be filled with regrets over losing a brother.

I'm thinking of writing up descriptions for some weapons Raj has made for some of his brothers. Right now, that would come down to:

>Some firearm for Lambach, be it a pistol or an actual rifle, haven't decided yet.
>Deshain's guns, upgrades versions of his archeotech pistols "Despair" and "Conquest"
>A sidearm for Linares
>A heavy bolter or other heavy weapon for Zelbezis

Anyone have any specific wishes?

>>53509884
I've been thinking a bit about how I want Raj's death to go down. It would happen during the Siege of Terra, when he's protecting the Eternity Gate in the Apocalyptican, reaping havoc down on the Traitor forces. Then one of the Traitor Primarchs manages to get onto the Titan, kills Raj and destroys it. The blast would likely kill/banish said Traitor Primarch as well. I had Deshain in mind for the job, but I'm not sure how you feel about it.

>>53509981
I was thinking that perhaps Je'She and Raj worked on a modified version of MK IV power armour together for The Sentinel's 'Jackal' units, with less protection for the sake of more maneuverability and a slightly increased storage capacity for traps and mines and the like. This would be developed very early on in the crusade

>>53510018
Heck, let's add a small booster pack in there as well

>>53509981
something that allows to wield a sword double-handed.

>Dorn's Arrow
>GK's Assault Bolter
>Girlyman's/Calgar HBolters, but in the Boltgun version

These are examples of what it could be.

>Maybe a shotgun?

Just make sure it can be used in melee

>>53509622
Cont:

Lambach: (...)
Pacha: I'm happy with how the Crusade is going, it's like we cannot loose. And yes, the Orks are giving problems, but the rest of the xenos are getting pretty much crushed in nearly every single engagement.
Je'She: We shouldn't grow overconfident. It shall be our downfall. Our Legions are suffering lots of casualties against the Orks. Mainly the Silver Blades, as they charge against them, while it's pretty much easier and safer to kill them from afar. Linares, check your tactics.
Linares: It isn't my fault if they are like me.
Pacha: Besting the orks in melee is...satisfying
Raj: You can always stomp them with a Warlord.
Rokuten: And they will bring a Stompa
Raj, Pacha, Linares: SEND MORE WARLORDS!

The first game ended, Rokuten going with a pair, Lambach going with a seven-high straight. The rest had low tier hands, and ironically, Pacha had a straight flush.

The following games followed more or less the same pattern; Rokuten betting high, Lambach winning, and primarchs retiring as soon as the bets grow too high.

Rokuten: Why have you brought a Librarian, Raj? (Takes a sip of beer)
Raj: I wasn't sure that Lambach wasn't going to cheat...now, I'm sure he does.
Lambach: How you dare?

The Librarian enters the room

Librarian: I have been feeling psychic activity around you and the deck, either you know which card is going to get dealt or you control the dealer's mind to shuffle the deck as you want.
Linares: Is that true, Brother?
Lambach: Yes, it is.
Pacha: Well...
Raj: So, what we are going to do?
Rokuten: I have lost a lot of money because you were cheating! I'm playing no more.
Linares: Sit down, Brother. Lambach, stop doing that. Librarian, nullify whatever he does.
Librarian: As you wish, sir.

Rokuten sitted down again, took another sip of beer, and the game continued. This time, Lambach played fair. Obviously, he started to lose, sometimes retiring.

I know I'm a bit late to the unit party, but here's one I've been working on for ages. Like, two hours. Not including time spent watching youtube in between.

>Jackals
Sentinel Legionnaires that are particularly sly and anti-authoritarian are offered the ‘honour’ of being assigned to the IXth’s “Jackal” units. Nearly every potential applicant has accepted. Jackals are assigned lighter versions of the MK IV power armour that trade extra protection for more maneuverability, as well as slightly increased storage capacity and a small booster pack to aid in scaling walls and buildings as well as increasing opportunities for ambushes. To denote their outcast nature, Jackal squads typically request to have their power armour painted a light ash grey, with whatever markings that the individual sees fit. This is usually accepted as policy. They also tend to don themselves in trappings of war, whether it be synthetic silks and keffiyehs from their homeworld, or trophies they have acquired during the crusade.
Their wargear tends to vary depending on the theatre of war, but are typically given power-scimitars, and bolters with a variety of different ammunition; an idea that was borrowed from the XVth. They are also equipped with a handful both antipersonnel and antivehicle mines and explosives for various situations, as well as a small amount of medical supplies appropriate for normal humans.

The purposes of these Jackal squads are varied. They are the first line of defense, and are trained to lay traps and harry and deceive a much larger force, causing as much confusion and mayhem as possible. They are also skirmishers on assault; involved in flanking maneuvers and infiltration operations in order to cripple the enemy warmachine.
Jackal squads are utilised in humanitarian protection as well. Their looser organisation allowing for them to adapt to unexpected situations in regards to civilians, and safely escorting them to evacuation areas or civilian safe-zones.

Cont.

While Jackals are given a looser leash in order to fully maximise their unconventional potential, they are expected to be as selfless as an Aldrujan and courageous as any other Sentinel. As can be expected, Jackal mortality rates are one of the highest of any unit in any legion. However, the deeds of the Jackals are legendary, and stories abound of their exploits across the Imperium and other legions.

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>>53510143
Sounds good! Raj isn't usually one to go for the light manoeuvrable types of armor, but he'd consider it a challenge. The Titan Marchers might even make use of the same armor, in order to place bombs to set off once the Titan assault begins.

>>53510225
I'm actually liking the idea of the wrist mounted storm bolter. It'd allow him to clear some crowds from a distance, which is something he desperately needs.
The shotgun doesn't seem necessary, because by the time Linares gets into the shotgun's effective range, he could just use his sword.

>>53510571
Sounds cool. What should we call the model?

>>53510535
Cont.

Atmosphere was tense, but relaxed with time. The laughter and friendly chatting started again, the constant flow of money between primarchs getting thinner as time went by.

Another interruption:

Cortez: Señor, problemas en órbita. (Sir, problems in orbit)
Linares: ¿Tú otra vez, qué ocurre? (You again, what happens?)
Cortez: Un buque sin identificar se aproxima al planeta. (An unidentified vessel aproaches the planet)
Linares: Perfecto, apuntadle con todo e identificadlo. (Perfect, aim at her with everything and identify her)

The Gran Maestre left, and the game continued. Some seconds later, a serf entered the room.

Serf: Sire, la cena está lista. (Sir, dinner is ready)
Linares: ¡Maravilloso! (Marvellous!) Lets go, brothers. Dinner is ready!
Pacha: I have made something for you, brothers. I hope you like it!
Lambach: Everything you do is delicious, brother.
Raj: And complex.
Pacha: You are going to like it, Raj. It simpler than the rest of my delicacies.

And so, they moved on to the Great Hall, were the most important meals took place. Members of the Primarchs' retinue were already in place, waiting for the dinner to be served. When the Gene-Sires entered the room, everybody stood up, and waited for the Primarchs to take seat. When they were already occupying their honorary places in the Hall's tables, everybody sitted down, the serfs brought the delicious plates, and the dinner started.

>>53510535
I'm chuckling at this so far, though I probably should have specifically mentioned at some point that the Titan Marchers do not have a Librarius. The people of Manaan do not produce Psykers for some unknown reason.

>>53510624
Some options:
>Mk. 4 Power Armour Gradus Pattern
>Mk. 4 Power Armour Kadam Pattern
>Mk. 4 Power Armour Locus Pattern

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>>53493002
>>53494903
>>53509622
>>53510535
>>53510693
This is it, hope you like it. I know it isn't very good, but just wanted to do some primarch intercations.

>>53510695
Oh, sorry. Already too late. Maybe he took a Silver Blades Librarian and brought him to the room.

>>53510695
They sound pretty good, but what do they mean?

>>53510720
Eh, let's see.
Gradus is derived from the Latin word for step, as in, being light footed.
Kadam is derived from the Hindi word for step.
Locus is derived from the Latin word for place, as in, to place a mine or trap.

>>53509981
Ashur wouldn't ask for a weapon, but rather a piece of armour like a helmet or a pauldron to complement his bronze elephant skull.

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>>53510933
"I offer this gift to you brother! A present from the Titan Lord to the Behemoth!"

+++Primarch's Opinion Report+++

//Topic: Peers' Personalities
//Writer: Linares, the Lord of the Ale, Primarch of the Silver Blades

#Marduk Engur:
I don't know what's wrong with him. A little bit too tyrant. He could have been a lot of things, but he became a tyrant. And his Legion...that Tiamat/Leviathan thing...it's creepy.

#Pacha the Earthquake
My cheerful brother, one I would gladly fight with. He brings the food and I put the drinks, perfect combination. His Legion prefers fighting in close combat, and they do it fairly well. I would like to fight along them again

#Deshain Kane
Well...my selfish brother. I don't care if he likes to kill, I like it too, I don't care if he prefers ranged weapons, but what I care, is senseless bloodshed. And that, coupled with the early retreats of his Legion, leaving entire flanks exposed, makes me angry. I would not fight along the Gunslingers if given the oportunity.

#Myself
I have to improve my Legion's tactics, I see we rely too much in melee combat. Sometimes I have to relax, and not be that impulsive. Maybe more patient with some of my brothers.

#Emil Kannav
This brother of mine is...interesting. Heavily relying on psykers, his Legion has more psykers than Kadir can produce in 5 years. Some of them are "artificial", and that's creepy.
My brother has learnt a lot, his knowledge may be useful. Fighting with them should be funny.

#Einchurt
What to say about him. Kane likes bloodshed, but his man is just like a serial killer. Ten citizens went rogue? No problem, gas the entire planet. Capullo, eso es lo que es . I just don't want to fight with them.

#Matlalihuitl
His feathers are kind of weird, but the voices he hears are weirder. Getting the Legion into the warrior society of Tierra is pretty much what I did with my Silver Blades, I aprove that.

#Lambach Kropor
His quietness gets me on my nerves, but I understand his motivations. His calculated actions are the contrary to my impulsive actions.

>>53511011
"Magnificient craft, dear brother! I love the ears!"

>>53510749
Locus sounds pretty cool, let's go with that

>>53509981
Maybe a Tower Shield, bashing-enabled version of a Storm Shield for Pacha? Was thinking of him already having an adamantine hammer forged by the Emperor or something for his main weapon, but he could also get an unique shield.

>>53511089
Lambach Cont:
I enjoy his presence. Speaking with him is satisfying. I'm glad to say we are friends.

#Je'She of the Watch
If anyone is going to be Warmaster, this is the right person. His strategical view of everything is superior, I have lot of things to learn from him. I should troll him less

#Isekho the Unseen
I can't consider his blindness as a disability if he can land the punches he landed on me that night, sorry. It seems that his other senses have been improved a lot...maybe he sniffed me.

#Yochin Theritax
Too fanatical to be trustworthy at all. It seems that his morality isn't exactly the one of the Imperial Truth. Seems dangerous.

#Zelbezis Dyestes
His thoughts about the governors of anywhere are dangerous. He may try to overthrow my father, I won't let him do that.

#Ashur of Banipal
Another cheerful primarch, maybe too much forgiving, but I'm OK with that as long as it doesn't compromise the Legion's combat efficency.

#Hayden Reliquo
His contemplation and patience suits him well, and dutiful people is what humanity needs. I like him, but his tactics may be too subtle for my likes.

#Gyahdred Khrogchig
He likes to know everything from everyone, so he could deal a single, killing blow to his eventual prey. That is a legit way of waging war. I shall research a little more about his tax reforms...

#Valorn Adras
Cold stone. Is difficult to get throught his primary character defenses. I want to know what his personality is like...

#Raj Volkar
My dearest brother, our jolly personalities makes us good friends. At least, he gets serious when war pops out as the main topic of discussion.

#Quaestor Krees
He tries to keep me at the arms distance. His professionality and loyaltysuits him well, these are traits I have in very high regard. Fighting with them would be...difficult. Our melee fighters and his line troops may complement well, tho.

>>53511492
#Piter Karomonov
He seems to love the citizens. I like that, maybe would try to use some of his ideas in Kadir. Hope they work well. This is the kind of primarch we need for the post-crusade Imperium.

#Mot Hadad
Another tyrant. We don't need them in the Imperium. The industry model he follows is a pure example of his tyranny.

#Rokuten
He is selfish too, trying to get every single piece of power he can. The most powerful ones aren't the ones with more power, bu the ones who use it better. His Legion's devotion to him is dangerous. We shall keep an eye on him constantly.

+++END OF TRANSMISSION+++

>>53509929
So it fits. I think black and white is lame and even someone despicable as Deschain has some good in him and I think Pacha could work on it to grow over time. So that more of this gentleness comes on the surfsce but when the Romance of the three primarchs happens it is utterly destroyed.

>>53509981
Well as I don't want Kane to become a Daemon Primarch I love to let him die on Terra. Another of his sons will then become the chosen of khorn. Someone who bends his knees to the wargod.

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>>53511781
You don't want Deshain to become a Daemon Primarch? But that's pretty much inevitable. Chaos corrupt, nobody is immune to it, especially not the Primarchs. The only ones that managed to avoid it are Horus, by getting fucking destroyed to a point where he literally no longer existed, and Alpharius, who's a whole different matter.

I was expecting Deshain to basically become Ghost Rider, pic related.

Raj...dies...

Linares will wage war even in the inmaterium if necessary.

>>53511865
No, Raj doesn't make it. He basically goes the entire Heresy questioning his own loyalty to the Emperor and the Imperium, but by the time the Siege of Terra happens he unleashes his full titanic rage, guarding the Eternity Gate in one of the two largest Titans in the Imperium.

Then one of the Daemon Primarchs manages to kill him, I was thinking Deshain, but maybe Mot, and then the thing explodes, killing thousands.

Raj pretty much fulfills the role of Sanguinius, except he's less pretty and he doesn't survive the Eternity Gate.

>>53511911
I didn't think the primarchs were daemons by the siege of terra?

So I got Ashur's review of all his brothers down to... Pixels? Pixels.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TiDcjgk-qTYlnpfQhf5QGBQkJWkC9nUYCl8p__8tpKg/edit?usp=sharing

>>53512005
Put it on the Primarch's File. It's easier to track

Angron and fulgrim were daemon primarchs when the aiege occured. Not sure about magnus and mortarion.

And seeing ghost rider I want him to become....however I wanted him to die on terra. Even erased from existence.

>>53512017
It is linked in the doc collection behind my discord name.

>>53511940
Most were. Angron, Mortarion, Magnus. Lorgar and Fulgrim certainly were. Perturabo got it after the Iron Cage and Magnus got it after attacking Fenris. Horus managed to stave it off by gaining powers similar to the Emperor and Alpharius... well, he's Alpharius.

Point is, I don't see any way for Deshain to not become a Daemon Primarch. The moment he's corrupted by Khorne, he'd want to become one.

>>53512005
I like them, especially the one for Marduk. Foreshadowiiiing~

>>53512051
I doubt Deshain could get the Emperor to give him the Horus-treatment. He could still 'die' on Terra, he would just end up back in the Eye of Terror.

>>53512105
Woops, I forgot to edit that post properly.

Magnus got his Daemonhood during the Heresy, after teleporting his legion to the Planet of the Sorcerers. The battle of the Fang is simply the first significant thing he does as a Daemon.

>>53510695
>Modified Mk 4
I hear fluff needed. Writing.

>>53512105
Well in order to ascend he has to totally give in. Something Deshain does not do. However, if he is broken and powerless, he might seek power and totally give hin.he finally kneels when he is broken. If a titam for example stamps on him on terra.^^.

Just because you follow a chaos god you don't automatically ascend. Well. Except for Magnus.

>>53512300
Raj almost killing him before he ascends could work, but the Chaos Gods corrupt you. Pre-Heresy, yes, Deshain would never have given in to the malign influence of the Warp, but he's the thing; neither would Horus. Once the Heresy starts, Chaos seeps into their very being. Seeing as the Gunslinger throw in their lot with Khorne, they'd be remarkably easy to corrupt.

No matter how cool of a cowboy Deshain Kane is, he cannot resist the touch of Khorne if he wants him.

>>53512300
Falling to Chaos isn't just surrendering yourself to the Chaos God in question in the most literal manner possible. I'm quite sure the Primarchs and other powerful Traitors had already been given a great deal of power by Chaos long before they declared themselves its servants.

It's far more characterful and far more likely for him to gain power from Khorne by surrendering to that which Khorne represents, long before he even considers worshiping Khorne as a god he is devoted to. Namely, overwhelming hatred and blind rage.

>Mk IV-J “Gradus”-Pattern Power Armor

Designed at the behest of Je’She of the Watch, the “Gradus” pattern is one designed with speed and maneuverability in mind. With the discovery of new materials thanks to recovered STC data, the mechanicus were able to oblige. The first major change of the Gradus was its internals, as much of the armor was thinned from the inside and replaced with a blend of high-tensile fibers similar to those in flak armor. While it is far less protective, it also reduces much of the weight while still retaining some of the original protection. Secondly the Gradus pattern was given short, adamantium tipped spikes on both the knuckles and feet, allowing a marine to rapidly scale walls and other sheer surfaces.

While there are some test models with small jump packs, much of the testing has proven inconclusive. Lastly was the inclusion of a detachable carrying segment behind the waist of the marine, allowing them to carry any number of bolter magazines, grenades and other munitions. To make room for this pack however the tried and tested Astartes Combat Knife was instead moved to the left shoulder, with part of the pauldron having been hollowed out as a sheathe.

>>53512750
*designed by Je'She of the Watch and Raj Vokar

>>53512770
I'll edit it in the doc

>>53511781
Hm, perhaps then, as someone who seems to enjoy the thrill, a good fiery and spicy dish makes for their first bond?

>>53512789
It's also not really at their behest, they designed it and presented it to the AdMech. With some of their input, the Forges of Manaan would get to work.

So I've said that Mot detests the mechanicum, but in practice how much technobullshit can he get away with without them breathing down his neck? Maybe the Emperor finds out that he's sponsoring a knight house and tells him to knock it off before the mechanicum gets pissy?

How's this?

>Pacha's Equerry: Quteq the Artificer

The most veteran of the Mountain Warlocks, Quteq was the one who took to the duty of training Pacha in martial arts and his new equipment and duties as a Primarch of the II Legion, including the basics of his specialty. Afterwards, he took to aiding Pacha as he would sometimes overlook minor factors when making decisions or forget a conflicting, if minor, scheduled event. This would lead him to be sometimes jokingly referred to as the Secretary. Quteq is a master Mountain Warlock, capable of controlling earthen constructs of Dreadnought size, which earned him his more formal apellative.

>Applied Plant-Singing

It would come from an inventive Mountain Warlock as the II Legion explored a Death World filled with deadly flora and fauna. Plant-Singing was originally meant to guide and enhance a plant's growth, but it could also afford a degree of control over it. Over time, many of the psyker marines of the legion developed the ability to not only make the aggressive plants ignore them, but also help during fights. Although Pacha didn't like turning an art meant to foster life into a weapon, if situational, it still meant saving lives of his children and auxiliaries, and thus he allowed its continued use.

>>53514940
I take it Quteq is Terranborn? Or is he a half-Astartes?

>>53509192
Been going for very logical guy doing a self assessment using the same computer program he used to assess the other primarchs. Introvert.
I'll have to do a bit more to see how he comes out. Maybe get him when he's angry.

>>53515871
Terranborn. Would probably have led the Legion before Pacha did.

>>53512891
Or a good fiery drink.

>>53512507

Namely, overwhelming hatred and blind rage.

What happened to the days when khorne was a honorful god of war. When he hated those who kill those who can't defend themselves ( if kane would care)

>>53516943
Those are the (relatively) positive emotions that start the decline into madness. A servant of Tzeentch starts off thinking he can change the world for the better with just a little arcane aid. A few months later, he's sacrificing priests to a purple flame in the shape of a bird because it'll change his body with mutations and all change is good change.

In the case of Khorne, zealous crusaders and warriors bound by honor are the starting point, blind and hateful barbarians that mindlessly kill and rage against everything are the end point. Chaos is all about taking something nice and dragging it to its absolute extreme.

>Marduk Engur:
There seem to be two Marduks, one on the battlefield the other off. I oft wonder which, if either is the real Marduk. Whichever it is, I’m not sure I can trust a man with two so different faces.

>Pacha the Earthquake:
Once I thought he was a cunning manipulator, but now I understand him to be a simple yet truly loyal man. However, the actions I took when I believed him a manipulator have deeply damaged our relationship. Perhaps after the crusade I’ll have time to achieve his forgiveness.

>Deshain Kane:
While his skill in warfare is to be respected, that is all my brother has. He has so little beyond war in his life that he might as well be a walking weapon. I fear for what he might face or do when our father’s great work is complete, for he is unsuited for peace.

>Linares:
Boisterous, loud and unprofessional, the master of the fourth legion is all these things in abundance. Linares may be a skilled warrior and tactician but his attempts at prying are an annoyance outside of battle.

>Emil Kannav:
A powerful psyker, a sound tactician and a man who brought hope to his homeworld in a time of despair, Emil has my respect. However, I worry about his reliance on those “Artificial” psykers. Any machine can go awry, and I hope none must see what happens when these so called “Psybernetics” malfunction.

>Einchurt:
A man who has forgotten that death happens once but pain can last forever. He has not learned from the mistakes of Taiga’s nobles and as such makes many of the exact same ones. However, at the very least he is willing to commit terrible acts when he believes they are worth it, unlike some of my brothers, and despite what I may think of him he trusts me. Trust is valuable, and I will not betray it

>Matlalihuitl:
Mutated in body and unsound of mind. I worry about Matlalihuitl and believe he should be pulled back from the crusade until these problems are dealt with.

>>53517967
>Lambach Kropor:
A kind and honourable man, I hold Lambach in high regard. I oft think of him as the glue which holds us primarchs together. However, I feel that he is not truly suited to this life of war, nor has his peaceful past prepared him for a position of leadership. I will endeavour to offer him aid in improving his skills, at war and leadership.

>Je'She:
A man who can plan a single battle as a smaller component of a larger entire war rather than its own independent entity is a sadly rare sight among us primarchs. I have my doubts about those distractions he encourages amongst his sons, but I trust that he has good reasons for encouraging them.

>Isekho:
A truly impressive specimen, he has taken that which may have been an imperfection and transformed it into an immense advantage. It is a pleasure to watch him and his sons work when our paths cross.

>Yochin Theritax:
A superficial zealot who worships our father but not his creed. I oft wonder whether his time crusading amongst his sons, with their glaring colours and blaring weapons, has had a negative effect on his senses, for he is more blind than Isekho and deafer than the dead.

>Zelbezis:
Has a deeply jaundiced view of rule and rulers. I respect his skills, but he too seems not to have learnt from the nobles of Taiga.

>Ashur:
Whilst I do not hate Ashur I find it difficult to like him. He seems incapable of leading of his men, he merely drives them. The fact that he has retained his compassion despite all that has happened to him is worthy of respect I suppose, but I find little else that the same could be said for.

>Hayden:
A powerful psyker and a wise man, Hayden and his pillars are fine warriors, however they seem to prefer quantity over quality when it comes to covert operations, if one could call them that.

>>53518015
>Gyahdred:
His desire for knowledge is wise, but he seems to carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. Whatever that weight may be is his business, but I may still speak with him about the wisdom of delegation and see if he’d be willing to move some of that unseen burden onto the shoulders of his most trusted sons.

>Raj Vokar:
A kindred spirit, for we both were found by and turned on the corrupt rulers of our worlds before forging better ones for our people. I hold a deep respect for both his professionalism and his skill with machinery, but my missions have given me little time to interact with him.

>Quastor Krees:
Professional, Loyal and above all else dangerous, Quastor is a model soldier. I can trust him to not completely botch the covert operations of my Claws when we fight together.

>Piter:
Much like myself, a revolutionary, though he found that path more rapidly than I did. His dedication to not merely winning a campaign but making sure it stays won is something I wish I saw more of in my other brothers.

>Mot Hadad:
Some consider Deshain childish, but personally I feel that descriptor is more appropriately applied to Mot. The master of the Forge Lords is a brutish brat, completely lacking in guile or introspection. He is ignorant of his imperfections and thus will never correct them. While I might have to fight by his side I will not relish aiding his petty hide.

>Rokuten:
Confident, independent and ambitious, Rokuten is a difficult man to judge. However, there must be something within him that inspires such loyalty in his marines and such confidence in himself. Whatever the case, news of his victories has earned him my respect. Only time will tell if he earns anything else

>>53517167
Agreed. I've always been an adherent of the school that vices are simply misapplied virtues. Makes for very sane villains.

>First Captain
Like most legions with close ties to the Mechanicum, command and forgecraft are intertwined.
In the case of the First Captain, this specialization is Archimandrite, matters of logistics. Actually...

>Upper echelons in the XVth
I think there's a few important posts:

>Fabricator General of Stovokor
Tech priest Pimp master supreme. Also manages production and supply of the legion.

>Master of the Nosferatii
Oversees the Nosferatii, recruitment, etc. Also in charge of the Crypts of the Elver.

>Assembled Magi
Various specializations. Siege Masters, Apothecarion, Cybernetica, etc.

Some questions about Chosen of Hekata.
1. Kaden is dead forever, or maybe Papa Nurgle ressurect him?
2. Why space fleet of CoH not stroke on the Silver Blades fleets and others? With help of demonic creatures (such as at Signus in real Heresy), they may cause significant damage.
3. Librarium is also dead?

>>53518695
>very sane villains
in the service of Chaos?

>>53520278
1. I think I might leave Kaden dead. He died before any of the chapter actually went to chaos. It was just his body being used. Also I like the idea of if he had survived he'd do something like Garro and leave the chapter.
2. They didn't attack the Silver Blades fleet because there orders were simply to withdraw. At first Lambach was hoping to have his brothers join him so he didn't want to attack them early. Also the Silver Blades fleet went in prepared for a fight and were larger so the CoH fleet would probably have lost.
3. There is still some Librarians. They didn't all die Taarush just broke up the spell they were channeling so there are still a few, Including Gaius Mendel who needs a new leg.

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No time to finish Marduk's relations, but have a little tidbit about a Leviathan force.

>The Order of Stygians
In the closing days of the Unification Wars, when the Space Marine legions were being formed, the Emperor harvested warrior talent from all over Terra to gather their skills to train his nascent armies. One of the most distinct of these groups were the elite special forces of the Achaemenid Empire, the Order of Stygians. A mixed group of shock troops and operators, they fought on both the front and back lines of the battlefield and were known for their distinctive head scarves. (Pic related) The order's talent was funneled directly into the training of the first company of the first legion, then called the Immortals. The Stygians' fighting style and tactics to their new superhuman students and font of production capability. The new Stygians, trained from induction in the art of close quarters warfare and to move as swiftly and quietly as a shark, distinguished themselves as the arrow point of the Immortals. Wielding an specialized form of plasma gun, comparable in role to a conventional shotgun but utilizing a pulsed jet, they cut bloody swathes through the front lines of many a foe in the early days of the Crusade. As the conflicts went on, they were increasingly pressed into service behind enemy lines. They became known for their shadowy infiltrations and bloody ambushes, slowly developing a reputation as dishonorable black guards. Their casualties were markedly low through the war, but their morale waned to an extreme.

When their Primarch was found, their flagging spirits were buttressed considerably with the blandishments of faith that were introduced. The Stygians became incredibly close to the Abyssal Faith and soon became wrapped up in it's secret clergy. They faded farther into the background of the legion, seemingly falling out of many records of conflict.

>Cont.

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>>53522949
The Stygians fell into the roll of inquisitors of a kind. Eliminating foes who directly witnessed any overtly religious action and even silencing certain dissenting members of their own legion.

As the Eye of Terror campaign began, and the influence of Chaos truly began to take root in the Legions, they even began eliminating those who threatened the secrecy of the burgeoning occultism. They were the guards of the Warpriesfs who preached the dark word to the other legions and conquered worlds. When the Heresy finally flamed into open conflict, they were once again seen on the front lines. Now though, they were even more preternaturally skilled than before. Their armor was oddly modified and inscribed with symbols far more depraved than any of the simple Dagonian religion they had first learned, and from under their dark hoods cold predatory eyes flashed. Eyes far removed from anything wholesome or human.

Extracts from Zelbezis Dyestes' personal notes on his brothers primarchs

>Marduk Engur
A man astute with word, I have had great debates with him. A competent leader, who holds nothing back. Were he not so closed upon himself, I may consider him a close ally.
[His interest in the arcane, however, is disturbing. Perhaps should he not venture too deep on that path.]

>Pacha the Earthquake
Even in light of his legion's gene-defects, his interest with mundane matters of culinary arts only strike me as counterproductive. Food-gel composition can simply be modified. His devotion to baseline humans is disturbing. When our legions were founded, the Emperor designated them the Defenders of Humanity. Not its servants.

>Deshain Kane
I have been compared to him, by those who mostly know of me through reports of battle. Yet I despise this fact. Kane is a bandit, who cares nothing for law and order. He is but a crazed murderer, who has been accidentally given order to conquer. Compliance effort is but an afterthought to him.
[That he soon turns against the Imperium would not surprise me.]

>Linares of Kadir
Brash, arrogant, Linares does not conform to the social expectation of a galactic conqueror. Were it not for his utter lack of discipline and patience, he would be a great commander.
[His consumption of psychoactive beverage should be kept in check.]

>Einchurt
Another brother I have been compared to, for good reasons. Efficient, disciplined, willing to go far enough to ensure victory, and I share his concerns regarding the growing influence of baselines in decisions pertaining to the Crusade. Yet he is an unsefferable nihilist, whereas my so-called ruthlessness stems from values and ideals.

I love how most Primarchs love-hate Einchurt, he's feeling like a kind of Jaghatai or Mortarion where they're usually on the fringes of the Crusade and don't get to interact with their brothers much

>>53473114
Well, since I saw someone writing Equerries, I suppose I should as well.

>Emil's Equerry: Aptathos Lobrezva, the Vortex-Born

Aptathos, unlike many Equerries, joined his Primarch and Legion fairly late in its history. The Legion was Crusading for many years before their Primarch was rediscovered, and Aptathos almost three decades after that. The Steel Souls went through several distinct recruitment phases; first their formation on Terra, next the Legion's rebuilding under the Emperor's vigil, then bringing themselves up to 100,000 strong after draining Nonimat IV of all its available recruits with Emil's blessing. Eventually the toll of war required yet another recruitment wave, and the Steel Souls looked outward from Nonimat IV to the surrounding worlds.

The backwater world of Badab Primus offered few warriors, bathed as it was in radiation from the mighty Maelstrom. The young psyker Aptathos showed by far the most promise among them, savagely slaughtering half a dozen other aspirants in the mad race across Badab Primaris' wastelands to reach the Steel Souls' Thunderhawk before its departure. The boy was a whirlwind during training, hardly seeming to notice the pain from his organ implantations and proving himself superior to every other Initiate in every way. It wasn't enough for Aptathos to win. He must *dominate*. As with almost all recipients of Emil's gene-seed, Aptathos rapidly began to exhibit psyker activity, compounding his inborn powers.

Respected for his mental prowess and rising through the ranks, Aptathos came to the Legion Command's attention in short order. No other Marine had such naked ambition. Emil wished to harness that energy. Steadily gene-sire and Marine drew closer to each other, Emil in the calm center and rapacious Aptathos orbiting around him like a pair of tornadic funnel clouds in a single storm. All storms reach a climax, and Aptathos arrived at the fateful decision point sooner than he had thought.

A duel.

>cont.

>>53523802

>Emil Kannav
Despite my opinion on psykers, I appreciate his decision to use his psybernetic technologies as a mean to reduce the unstability factor. I have never discussed enough with Kannav to have further thoughts to share about him.

>Matlalihuitl
A mutant in body, unsound of mind, even for a psyker. That I am not outright hostile to him only holds to the sporadicity of our encounters.
[He has no place in this Imperium. Should order come to purge him, my legion shall shed no tear.]

>Lambach Kropor
Despite having rised to primarch-hood without adversity, Kropor is a surprisingly strong mind. Yet there does not seem to be much depth in his character, as if he hid something. Or am I simply not close enough to him?

>Je'She of the Watch
Were there to be leaders in our brotherhood, Je'She would be among them. He is able to see the entirety of the Compliance process, not only the bloodbath of battle. I yearn to partake in a battle of words with him one day.

>Isekho the Unseen
That his legion is so efficient despite their affliction shoudl speak for itself. Isekho is a skilled commander, and I have much to codify from his low-visibility tactics.

>Yochin Theritax
A fanatic with no sense of moderation, he goes too far from faith alone, sometimes beyond the bounds of what is rational. That his chants of praise to the Emperor use themes so close to those of the cults we were born to crush disturbs me.

So, I've been thinking about the Leviathans and specifically about female characters in relation to them. The eponymous Leviathan is itself female, and their whole faith associates Chaos with the female instead of the male. That leads me to want them to have some kind of female character attached to them, probably as a high priestess/advisor to the Primarch of some sort by the time of the Heresy.

Problem is, of course, I don't know what sorts of positions women might have filled during the Heresy where they would also be closely attached to a Legion. Captain of a ship is an obvious one, as it is a canon example, but what else could their be? I know the legions had auxiliary non-Astartes forces, but how close were they really? How much agency did Navigators have at this time?

>>53525075
>Problem is, of course, I don't know what sorts of positions women might have filled during the Heresy where they would also be closely attached to a Legion. Captain of a ship is an obvious one, as it is a canon example, but what else could their be? I know the legions had auxiliary non-Astartes forces, but how close were they really? How much agency did Navigators have at this time?
This is 40K. Females can pretty much fill any position except space marine. Make her the chief logistics branch manager first class or something if you want. Make her a goddamn admiral for all I care.

>>53524735
It wasn't often that a Primarch fought with one of his own, and thousands of Legionaries gathered within their flagship's great hall to attend the spectacle. Emil stood before the crowd, an inscrutable expression on his face. The mental struggle lasted for hours, neither party willing to give an inch. A haze of energy shrouded the hall, and the crowd held their breath. Incredibly, Aptathos still stood, though his fatigue was evident to all. Only sheer willpower kept him upright.

Emil spoke. "Aptathos, this can only end in your death. I would not break a diamond upon the anvil, and I am loathe to strike you down. You have proven yourself in my eyes. No other Legionary could stand against their Primarch as you have today. Can your ambition be quenched? I will exalt you among the Legion for your merit, but I will not tolerate blindly clawing to the top, regardless of consequence. Such a man has no place in the Steel Souls."

The moment of decision had come. And Aptathos failed. Refusing to let go of the inner fire which freed him from the Maelstrom's hateful presence, he lashed out once more at Emil, filling the air with warpfire. A gesture from Emil quelled the storm instantly, crushing Aptathos under an invisible fist of adamantium. "I am disappointed, Marine. So you have chosen. So it shall be. I will work a binding upon you. No more will your powers flow outward, but rather all shall be drawn in. Not fire, but water. Not fury, but peace. You will be the Legion's Shield, your powers serving only in our defense. In time, you will understand the necessity of this."

Screaming in frustration, Aptathos was dragged away to the Apothecaries' tender mercies. Special psybernetics were installed as mental blocks and personality channelers, and the Aptathos who emerged from the medbay was a changed man. His demeanor exuded friendliness, his energies boundless. Where once he clashed with his brothers, now a comrade to all.

>cont.

>>53525125
Some in the Legion had misgivings about Emil's actions. Though they begged an explanation, some going so far as to imply that the Primarch had enacted a monstrous form of servitorhood upon Aptathos, Emil said only this.

"I took only the rage within him. It fueled him, yes. But down that road could lie only devastation. He *knew*, knew for an absolute fact the moment our minds touched that he could only fall in defeat. But something within him, more wrathful than *any man* could ever be, drove young Aptathos onward to his doom. That Aptathos I slew, and in so doing fulfilled my word. This Aptathos you see before you will be a leader of Marines. Yet he is a new bird freshly hatched. Guide him, my sons. Let that eagle no longer be shackled to his past."

The Legion was heartened by these words, and spoke no more in whispers against Emil or Aptathos.

But deep down at the back of their minds, many would always wonder if the Primarch spoke true.


Thoughts?

>>53525075
I'm 95% certain the World Eaters had a woman in command of their fucking Gloriana or some shit, didn't they? Field's wide open bruh.

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>>53525285
Yep, that's precisely the image I was thinking of, lol.

>>53525348
Also I'm running a bit late with the special units thing, but at the moment I am working on Warpclaw Dreadnaughts, which are basically Drads modified to allow the occupants advanced useage of the psykic powers that they had access to in life. I was thinking of having Lambach ask for Emils help with this, as Emil has deep understandings of the workings of both psykers and cybernetics?

>>53525427
Isn't that just a glorified Librarian Dreadnought though?

>>53525463
A bit of work has to go into designing new equipment for a dreadnought-scale platform. I'm sure a psychic hood is just fine, but it's kind of failing to use the dreadnought's full potential.

>>53525463
More or less I guess, but I have kind of neglected how much the chapter is meant to use Dreads as a key to the reversal of death, I kind of want them to be like Lichs, so if anything more powerful than when they were standard Librarians. Kind of like Professor X's chair + Helmet.

>>53525482
>>53525517
Well, I suppose Emil would probably help out, if for no other reason than a proper "Psykernaught" would be of extreme value to the Steel Souls.

>>53525050

>Aššur of Banipal
Far too lenient a commander, if he can even be considered as such. It is as if his Legion was independant from its Primarch, and the stories I hear of their deeds only add to my distaste of the Xth.

>Hayden Reliquo
I do not know much of Reliquo, but his monastic ascetism, despite originating in uncompliant belief, holds close to my principles of Discipline towards the Self. (How the fuck did it take me so much time to see the obvious Warframe everything?)

>Gyahdred
His Martian background shares my views on order, each gear needing to turn in its place, each machine subservient to its programming. A progressive thinker, I believe his reform plans for Imperial Treasury would do better than what any of the baselines at the Council of Terra have in their lifetime.

>Valorn Adras
His fate is the opposite of mine, Valorn was born to tyrants and left Taiga as a liberator. I was raised by rebels and am now a tyrant. We both understand each other, and there is only spite in that understanding.

>Raj Vokar
Like Gyahdred, he was raised by Martian thought. Like me, he liberated his world from a corrupt nobility. Unlike Gyahdred, he is far more outgoing. Unlike me, he never was betrayed, and never had to see the necessity of being called a tyrant. His proposal to craft a heavy bolter for me may prove an occasion to convince him. A heavy bolter is suitably impressive.

>Quaestor Krees
Of all my brothers, the one I most consider a friend. Where he stands judge, I stand castigator. That our personal councils share the same name by pure coincidence should say as much. I envy his more optimistic view on the world, for he never was forced into ruling.

>>53479293
>Da Loud House
Records of their feats date back to the 33rd Millennium (All records before M41 are fabricated).

Are possessed tanks already a thing? Not daemon engines, but the Gal-Vorbak version of a tank.

>>53526860
Yes. I think.

>>53526860
Most Word Bearers vehicles are possessed.

Posting some view of Piter's Now

>Marduk Engur:
As much as I wish to hold my judgements I fear that Marduk could very well become a threat when the crusade finally ceases. While he is able to play the game of politics with the most weasly of statesmen his ferocity and brutality upon the field begs a question: Which face is the real Marduk; The charismatic statesmen or the wild hunter beneath? Only time will tell but will it be too late?

>Pacha the Earthquake:
In Pacha I see much of myself, yet he does not see the rights of the people so closely as I. There is no bad blood between us and so long as we continue to fight for the same banner of mankind we shall be fast friends.

>Deshain Kane:
A pitiless would-be tyrant and powermonger. He does not realize that our fight is for mankind, not to simply fight; and will turn his sights on mankind itself once he has run out of targets. I would refuse him a single host of Cossacks if they held the linchpin to victory as I cannot trust him to not flee.

>Linares:
A stubborn, brash, loud man with a love of drink and a passion for his battle brothers. All in all no different than any Ussaran I have met once we returned the planet to its people; It is customary for us to share drinks and toast to our victories when we are lucky enough to fight side by side and it is one tradition I look forward to whenever it arises.

>Emil Kannav:
While I understand his use (and some would say obsession) with the powers of the immaterium due to his youth I cannot help but be uneasy of his liberal application of such things. However so long as he and his ilk fight for the Imperium and our father I see nothing to fear but my own superstitions

>>53527338
>Einchurt:
While we share similar histories of rise and rebellion I cannot help but see the structured “order” and the price it came with is something I wish to never have to instill upon my own people of Ussar or the rest of the Imperium. Yet still we work well together though perhaps not as friends and more rivals; I hope one day perhaps I can show him a better path than such ham-fisted methods of control, but that remains to be seen.

>Matalihuti:
I worry for my brother. Unlike some of my other brothers he has truly been touched by the warp and it shows upon his form. While I respect Father’s belief that Mata is okay I will keep my eyes open.

>Lambach Kropor:
I hope that once the crusades are over Lambach remains at the forefront of the Imperium. Many of my brothers and even myself are guilty of conflict in our youths; often having to wrest the mantle of command of the planet for ourselves. In the aftermath of the Great War we will need a man like Lambach at our father’s side.

>Je’She:
His desire to vanguard the people of the imperium is a noble goal and one some of our other brothers should aspire to. It is always a pleasure to work beside The Sentinels.

>Isekho:
While there have been few times that Isekho and myself have crossed, I cannot deny that his ability to persevere beyond his blindness is nothing short of incredible. Perhaps I might be able to exchange of handrolled Lho-Leaf Tubes for low-light conditions training can be arrange.

>Yochin Theritax:
Seeing Yochin and his legion in action I fear that his mixture of fanatic self-belief and seemingly naive determination creates a dangerous combination that may need to be checked by Father.

>>53527367
>Zelbezis Dyestes
: A radical by any other name, his stance on the roles of government and rebellion as a cycle is worrying; given his place in the Imperium.

>Ashur:
Another of my brothers of whom I can quickly call friend; Ashur’s warmth and compassion will be vital when the Imperium spans to every spiral of the Galaxy

>Hayden Reliquo:
While his temper is quick to boil when the right buttons are pushed, his otherwise calm demeanor is a welcome one; Especially after particularly long conflicts.

>Gyahdred Khrogchig:
Though his desires to delve into the mysteries of the Immaterium are concerning, and his distant nature from our other brothers can be seen as worrisome. Having worked beside his legion I can say without a shadow of a doubt that these things are not worries; and that if anything Gyahdred Khrogchig is perhaps one of the most stalwart defenders of the imperium.

>Valorn Adras:
Stoic and sarcastic, Valorn is a rare breed of staunch resolve mingled with an almost instinctive eye for combat. Though he and myself have never shared a frontline nor sector in conflict; tales of his legion’s ability to fight the odds are well recorded.

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>>53523802
>his interest with mundane matters of culinary arts only strike me as counterproductive. Food-gel composition can simply be modified.

Pacha's logs, revision:
I have come to talk with brother Zelbezis. Sadly, he resembles neither of the two brothers I had first thought of. Although lacking in the personal ambition aspect, he resembles Mot in his tyranny. That does not bode well. And he seems to object to my cooking. THAT I find insulting.

>Modified Drop—Pod: Termie Pod Edition

At first, the IVth Legion lack of Terminator armors was justified by the inability of Drop—Pods to transport them to the planet's surface. Then, some new armor suits were delivered, and the Drop—Pods were given teleporter beacons, to allow them deploy near their comrades.

It wasn't a great deal, unless used with Deathstorm Drop—Pods, as they sometimes were launched right into the enemy lines, and the Terminators could wreak havoc at will.

But, for the other uses, the teleporter beacon was simply ineffective. Techmarines of the Legion started working on a Drop—Pod modification. They removed the harnesses of the Pods, and placed reinforced ones, designed to carry Terminator armors. They reinforced the Pods' structure, so they could resis the great stress that those armors generated during re—entry.

This way, Terminators could be deployed via Drop—Pods, 5 per Pod, alongside their Power—Armored comrades.

Of course, the Mechanicus doesn't know about this modification.

>>53509266
I think we've made some pretty good progress with most of these things.
Except I'm still not sure if the Pillars writer is around, what's the call here?

>>53508974
>Piter
Analysis of him and his legion indicate a strange trend in the Imperium, namely a misunderstanding of his tactics. His tactics, like my own, take place across a larger space, so that local superiority may be achieved. In his case, this has been interpreted as simple waves. My after battle analyses indicate that casualties during these direct assaults are high, but no higher than average casualty rates, ie, that casualties are concentrated in intense engagements, within expected parameters for the disposition of the foe.
In short, the perception of my brother as a butcher comes not from actual statistics, but rather from high intensity actions seen out of context. This perception has also lead to the tasking of the legion with higher lethality campaigns. In my time beside Piter, I have found him efficient.
Further, he seems committed to the populace of the Imperium and to an improvement in their lifestyle. This feature most endears him to me, for I see him as an ally in reform and infrastructure as much as on the battlefield.
On a more personal note, my friend's relationship with his public persona amuses me. It is because he must constantly strive to live his legend and in doing so, stretches the tale.

>>53531341
Side note, if that tactical assessment is wrong, let me know and I'll revise it.

>A legion character who isn't creepy
The Legion tends towards certain extremes despite the common meditation practices. Many are obsessive researchers. Some are just kinetic. This guy is one of them. He's outgoing, permanently as if about to laugh at some cosmic joke. He's a siege breaker and monster slayer. Everything is a puzzle and he's out to solve it and bring it crashing down. He's like the storm winds. Almost rash, but it comes from a deeper place. He's tightly controlled, meditated on his place in the universe and come to the conclusion that sometimes you need to bring the big things down. He's very much in with the legion in the aspect of destroyer, akin to Shiva. He destroys so you can rebuild. If the Crusade ever were to end, he'd get a job in demolitions or write music and go into opera. He's got a massive hammer, leads the warsongs.

I may actually draw out that Shiva motif. Dance. Also has nice resonance with Nietzsche. Perhaps the Skitarii of Stovokor dance before battle in the style of warriors from a thousand cultures. It lets them feel the doctrina imperatives. In the legion, it helps control the Elver.
I could pull in bits of oceanic culture, I think. The roots of rituals themselves are incredibly ancient, perhaps premechanicum. Each dance represents different machine spirit, though some are animals or objects. Warriors enact certain roles. It makes the legion's movements oddly graceful on the battlefield. Even the most heavily augmented members move with a grace typically not associated with the machine.
Gyahdred claims that in dance, one can try and instinctually grasp the nature of the machine and its components. Dance, with its currents, for him represents the intersection of personal agency with larger structures and the means by which group processes dynamically arise.

>>53530699
If he really doesn't show, we might unfortunately have to drop them. The Pillars are not important enough for us to keep them as a 'community' legion, so if we'd need a replacement legion. That probably won't be too difficult to find, but it'd be a shame, I like the Pillars in concept.

>>53532661
You wanted to keep on the Sons of Sovereignty for some reason. Why not keep on the Pillars of Balance instead, rather than disrespecting the writer by throwing away his creation?

>>53532815
The Sons of Sovereignty were more important. At the time they were planned to become that Warmaster's legion on the Seperatist side. Because of that, I wanted to keep them around. The Pillars are 'just' another legion on the Loyalist side. I like them, don't get me wrong, but they wouldn't be too much effort to replace. I don't think it's disrespectful towards the creator. He would probably understand our decision.

Key point here is, I don't want to do it, but we might not have much choice.

>>53532842
What's lost by keeping them on? How does it make the project any more difficult than it already is?

>>53532856
There are other people willing to create a legion and add to the project who seem motivated on adding to the project, I'd rather an active new person than an old stagnant placeholder legion

>>53532856
Because we'd have a legion around that doesn't get much fluff added to it, and nobody is going to really pick up the slack.

Back in Imperium Asunder, there were two 'community' legions, the Knights Exemplar and the Eyes of the Warmaster. They were both important to the overall narrative of the setting, so people actually used them and added to them.

The Pillars are neat, but they're not particularly important to the overall narrative. Because of that, they'd just feel kind of empty, since it's not likely anyone is going to add to them.

To make the comparison slightly more obvious, the Pillars of Balance are like the White Scars or the Raven Guard. Cool legions, and they do do things, but they're not super important. A legion like the Sons of Sovereingty, who would've been like the Imperial Fists or Sons of Horus, is much more important to the setting. A less important legion is much less likely to be added to be random anons.

>>53532888
I agree with this as well. Again, the Pillars are a good legion, but without an anon I don't see how we'd keep them around.

>>53532910
I get what you mean man. Plus this way the Pillars guy could use his legion in a future AU.
Out of interest which of the cutlrrent legions do you think are too critical to the story to lose?

>>53533176
The three Warmaster legions, so that means the Sentinels, the Ogre Legion and the Leviathan Host. The rest we can't really decide on yet, since we haven't filled in enough of what happens during the Heresy.

The Titan Marchers certainly aren't too critical.

Are we retconning legions? What about their primarchs?

Alright, so I have been working on my primarch and legion's document and felt it best to add in a little bit about my primarchs personality that you may not have been able to pick up from what was already there.

>Isekho was always quiet man. He didn’t talk much instead preferring to listen to what others had to say. He had respect for anyone willing risk their lives in battle, including those he thought against, never disregarding an enemy as not being a threat. Because of this he held each of his brothers and their legions in high regard even though he disagreed with some of the legions more extreme combat doctrines. Isekho always made time to listen to his son's concerns as well as listening and providing counsel to any of his brothers or other imperial commanders.

I know some of you have already wrote about your primarchs relationship with Isekho but i don't think this will change much if anything, but i hope this helps.

Also once he gets corrupted by daemons this is all gonna change.

>>53533339
Maybe. If we are retconning a legion, the Primarch is gonna go with it.

>>53533377
Doesn't change much of how Raj sees Isekho, but it's a good thing to add, certainly!

Hello everyone. I have spent some time now reading some of the fluff you wrote, and following the thread. I really like what you are doing here, and I am wondering if you would be interested in more people joining?

What I'm asking is, whether or not it would be possible to join your AU?

>>53533769
There's always room for more people! Whether you're interested in actually writing pieces or just hanging around and making some suggestions, both are fine.

We might have a legion slot opening up soon enough, but you're probably not the only one that might be interested in that position.

>>53533769
If you'd like to join as a Legion write it up and post it here, then hang around, I vote we give the pillars until the end of the weekend to show back up, what's everyone else think?

So the Separatists resist the pull of Chaos despite not having something like the Emperor to protect themselves from it, they're able to fight off both of the Imperium and Chaos despite not having the infrastructure of the former or the sorcery of the latter and there's no real cohesion that gives them any reason to work with each other besides "we all don't like the Imperium that much"?

>>53533909
The last edit on their file was made on May 17th. That's also the last time he posted in one of the threads, two weeks ago.

I seriously doubt he's going to show up. I do agree that the new friend should write up a legion, if he's interested.

>>53533909
The Seps have the Pharos, Malcador (who might not be willing to work with them at first, but can do much of what the Emperor can), less of a loss and more advancements when it comes to tech and better functioning states due to reduced size. Out of the three factions, they'll be the least retarded.

>>53533909
I do believe that they do technically have the Emperor, they just don't have the same religious fervor as the Imperium since they adhere to the Imperial Truth

>>53533982
>least retarded
You're going pretty Knights Inductor there. In fact, what's stopping the Separatists from being seven legions just going full Reasonable Marines?

>>53533903
Give them until the end of the weekend.
>>53533909
>they're able to fight off both of the Imperium and Chaos despite not having the infrastructure of the former or the sorcery of the latter
>Imperium
>Infrastructure
It's a quasi-feudal federation of worlds, its infrastructure is pretty limited anyway.
>and there's no real cohesion that gives them any reason to work with each other besides "we all don't like the Imperium that much"?
That's as good a reason as any, just ask the US.
>>53533982
>The Seps have the Pharos, Malcador (who might not be willing to work with them at first, but can do much of what the Emperor can),
Pretty much just there so they have some form of protection against Chaos, assuming our resident psyker does not provide it.
>Out of the three factions, they'll be the least retarded.
Yeah, this just sounds... Bad.
>>53534019
>You're going pretty Knights Inductor there. In fact, what's stopping the Separatists from being seven legions just going full Reasonable Marines?
I don't know about other legions, but the Ogre Legion consists of HONORABRU SAMURAI who think they should be in charge and not human bureaucrats because that's the tradition and tradition is right.

>>53534019
Least retarded doesn't mean Knights Inductor. They're not going to be employing sensible military strategies, or be any less goofy than the legions actually are. They just don't go full pants of head like the Imperium or Chaos.

>>53534063
>They just don't go full pants of head like the Imperium or Chaos.
But neither go full pants on head.