>>53211711
Mate I was literally just about to make one. Kudos to you. Ready to discuss and writefag.

As for question about loyalties, The Sentinels would most likely stay loyalist, unless someone can think up a great plot reason for them to go Separatist...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LJh0RkHrfDW8H3LgFTGgt-mhqNJeh9FIBw48botbYy8/edit

>>53211751
The loyalists still need a couple more legions, so that sounds perfectly fine. I'll give the story a read and let you know what I thing.

I posted the first draft for the Titan Marchers at the end of the last thread. Didn't get a lot of feedback, so I'll post it again.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13wGtK8_sD5ES-tZTUch1oOtqZteEUb3SWJ-g3AbtaYc/edit?usp=sharing

>>53206957
>>53206973
I dunno, I kind of like these guys. We'd need to figure out how to make them distinct from the Iron Warrios and Night Lords, but that was already mentioned. I like the idea of Nazi Marines.

Even more fascist seperatists!

>>53211811
I like it. It'll be interesting to see how you pull off the character development of Raj and how his legion responds to that

Do you think that making it so that Krees creates and leads an army against a ruling elite of Knights (in the 40K armoured battlesuit sense) on his homeworld of Pretanni is too snowflakey?

>>53212052
Post- or pre-discovery by the Emperor?

My only gripe with it would be that the Knights are Titans, and the Titan Walkers already do the Astartes and Titans thing.

>>53212052
If a guy like Konrad Kurze can get a background like he did, you can lead an army that destroys the bourgeoisie

>>53212082
It would be Pre-discovery. And the whole thing would probably put Krees off of the concept of Knights/Titans. It might even taint his relationship with the Mechanicum long-term in the same way that Mortarion hated Psykers after his upbringing.

>>53212110
Oh fuck, what are comprehensive reading skills? He's fighting the Titans.

Then I still have to bring up the fact that fighting an elite nobility class armed with Titan-like mechs is also what Raj does. If you're interested, I posted it >>53211811.

Then again, him being distrusting of the Mechanicus would lead to an interesting relationship with Raj. Especially since they're both loyalists and there will only we 6-7 loyalist legions in this AU, which means they'll have to come together.

Would it be an idea to have Krees fight nobles that use Skitarii-like forces instead of full blown Knight Titans?

>>53212141
Ah. I hadn't realised, only just got up so I wanted to post the idea before I forgot it.

I'll move my focus to something smaller. Either Skitarii as you suggest or possibly a contingent of Men of Iron controlled by the ruling class

>>53212171
That's cool, can't blame ya, fighting against better equipped noble class is a great way for a primarch to get started.

>>53212234
Yeah. And having a disciplined professional army to lead is a big part of Krees' theme.

I was hoping to avoid being too predictable, but it seems to come down to either revolting against a corrupt elite or fighting against a Xenos/Chaos threat.

>>53212260
You could go for more of a Dances with Wolves approach, where he's part of the corrupt nobility at first, gets his military experience fighting rebels, and eventually realises the error of his ways?

Or maybe he is raised in noble circles, becomes a military commander, opresses the shit out of the people, fights off an alien invasion and become a hero along the way?

>>53211751
I like it! Simple and to the point, not much else to say about it. I do think Je’she needs to become a more unique presence later on though, right now he lacks any particularly outstanding character traits.

Also, why not call them the Desert or Dune Sentinels? Just 'Sentinels' isn't very descriptive or engaging.

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>>53212305
Yeah I will definitely be doing more development of that as well as Je'she's personality. Also I like the name how it is.

Here's a paintable MK II template for y'all

>>53212622
You have the option of using Mk3 armor in the Chapter Constructor:

https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/

>>53212678
I know, just if anyone wanted to be a little more artistic in photoshop or whatever

>>53212687
Ah, well I don't know, sorry.

Anyone want to discuss any of the topic on the to-do list?

>>53211711
Can I join in?

>Name
The Emperor's Scythes

>Primarch
Xizz Malok

>Personality
Brutal, unchanging, and unrelenting, the Emperor's Scythes in three words. Accustomed to using mortal agents, whenever one of Malok's sons is spotted and entire army will be there, ready to sacrifice their lives to break any siege. Any loss is considered acceptable, and by any means possible victory will be assured.

>Tactical Specialty
Breaking seiges from the inside out using shocktroopers in combination with mortal dissidents to grind down enemy resources and progression.

>Thematics
A Blend of Death Guard and Alpha Legion with a dash of Raven Guard, they combine "There is no such thing as a Geneva convention here" with "A cadre of humans led by an Astartes wreaking chaos behind enemy lines.

>Colors
Dark steel primary and purple metallic secondary.

>tfw your Legion was ignored but unapologetic Chaos Dwarf ripoffs whose backstory requires rewriting the entire setting to include Hashut, and another legion whose description includes "'Dude, what the fucking fuck' 'Dunno, bro. Just following orders'" and just generally looks like it was written by Karl the Deranged in-character got in.

>>53213254
Dude feel free to repost it and then add it to here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEM/edit#gid=0
>>53213209
Aren't The Emperor's Scythes already a chapter?

>>53213280
>>53213209

Yeah, they are. Scythes are cool, but make sure to not be Death Guard 2.0.

>>53213254
Feel free to repost your stuff man! Some things always get overlooked, especially when the thread nears it's bump limit.

>>53211751
>>53211811
From my perspective, both these primarchs need more personal experiences that shape them, solidify their personality so to speak. As it is right now, it is fairly well explained what set them off to become the way they are, but their journey lacks moments where their development was challenged.

As an initial draft, these do work nicely as a core concept though.

>>53212766
I have a hard time taking in the information about the other primarchs. Quite a lot haven't come past the initial stage of the questionnaire yet and on first glance don't distinguish themselves well from eachother. Therefore I find it difficult to make any educated guesses on who should be warmaster and who should be archtraitor.

As per thlast thread, you made clear your preference for 21 primarchs. You proved right in that applicants would come, afterall, which weakens my argument for 18 primarchs.

On the other hand, if we went for 18 primarchs and go 6-6-6, we could start earlier with the next step of establishing a timeline and fleshing out the details of the fall/secession of the legions.

As for the Chaos Gods, I think Funerus and I will very quickly bring them into play, both major and minor.

>>53213254
>B-Baka, it's not like I wanted to be part of your s-stupid fanproject, or anything like that

It's okay Anon-kohai, we noticed you. Bring us your dudes.

>>53213322
You have a point there, I'll work on the plot some more tomorrow. Tonight I'll just stew in my own juices and let half-baked concepts ferment in my brain

>>53213280
>>53213306
Derp. I knew there was a reason why it sounded like a perfect name. The Steel Reapers then.

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Death's Heads-anon back, I spent some time thinking about everyone's advice, and I think I've fleshed them out a bit more.

The Death's Heads are more than happy getting all the shitty "Emperor's reset button" jobs, because they feel it makes them superior to the other Legions who would balk at getting such an assignment. They've got a big obsession with being "the strongest", and officers often compete for getting the most difficult tasks, so as to show they can complete them the most efficiently. They have a large disdain for mortal soldiers, willingly using them as cannon fodder and not really giving a shit if their WMDs blast a couple thousand of them to oblivion.
The Death's Heads are also fleet-based, as Einchurt's homeworld was literally falling apart after its inhabitant technobarbarians Old Night'd it to the point its crust was ready to tear itself apart. The Legion instead recruits from the populations of several vassal worlds they use as staging grounds for their various campaigns on the edges of the Great Crusade.

>>53213478
Could you have described that in a more disgusting manner?

>>53213322
I'll work on your feedback. The general idea was to first stipple out the red line, then build on top of that.

As for the number of Primarchs, nothing is stopping us from starting once we have 18 legions, or even starting now. Not all OU legions were equally involved in the major events of the Heresy. Some, like the Salamanders, Raven Guard and Iron Hands, just got fucked and ran around for most of it and the Thousand Sons got taken out in an event seperate from the March to Terra.

Point is, we can start whenever, we'll include latecomers in different ways.

I just like Primarchs, I don't want to cut down on them, plus I like having a clean 7-7-7 division, so…

>>53213569
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>>53213551
Feel free to add your legion to the spreadsheet man

>>53213545
Oh jeez, we also already have like 5 legions that are METAL [something], and one specifically already had Steel…

>>53213551
This is much cooler than before. They're the workhorse legion, but they wouldn't have it any other way. Grit. I like that! Sounds like the Titan Marchers would get along with them quite easily.

In the last thread I got some good constructive criticism about my brain munching lambert marines and I agree that making their whole shtick Zombies might not be a good idea. All marines are capable of eating brains and whatnot to absorb emotions and stuff, I was just going to have it negatively effect my dudes. I could just have the primarch eat brains, but I still like the idea of degeneration akin to the Mutations of the Thousand Sons or the Wulfen or the black rage. Also I would be happy to have the emperor crack down on my legions gene seed which could drive them to chaos/separatists even though they see themselves as good honest saviours. Anti Heroes. I'd even be happy for them to be a lost legion in our universe.

I'm just spit balling here.

Also to weigh in on the OP we could have 18 legions 6-6-6 and two lost legions stamped out by the emperor?

>>53213954
Because the Lost Legions are pretty shit writing honestly. They're 40k's biggest plot hole. Even if you think they're interesting because they're a mystery, you're wrong. That's because there is no mystery. Games Worshop doesn't know anything more about the Lost Legions than we do, they have admitted that. A mystery is pointless if there is no answer.

Imperium Asunder had an interesting take on the Lost Legions, where they were two Legions that were outed by the Emperor, but came back during the Heresy. Even then, I'm personally not interested in retreading that.

As for your Legion, feel free to add bizarre gimmicks if you like, just don't make it so crippling your legion shouldn't be able to function properly, like brain rot. As for them joining Chaos or the Seperatists, that's also fine, though we need to check if we're filling out the factions evenly. I can't remember how many Seps, Loyalists of Traitors we have right now.

>>53214076
It looks like we've got 2 Seps, 2 Traitors, and 5 Loyalists

>>53214098
Oh. I honestly though we had fewer loyalists. Np at all then.

Hi guys, what has been going on since yesterday at night? (UTC)

>>53214244
I'd recap more neatly, but I'm working right now, so…

New thread, more potential legions, more fun. Some people wrote up some stuff for their legions, links in this thread or the spreadsheet. As always, love to hear your feedback.

>>53214076
I see the brain rot less as a certainty but rather a condition that effects only some marines and they try and keep it quiet and whatnot, could be what pushed them away from the imperium. And I agree with you about the lost legions, I guess it's just so that people could invent their own primarchs to play in game but I think that's dumb (ironic, right?)

I also like the trope of a good yet flawed person who falls to chaos in spite of his goodness so I'm leaning toward becoming a traitor now. I imagine the brain eating of the primarch coming to a climax in a war against chaos cultists and he eats the commanders brain and sees memories of a promise from tzeetch or someone and he sees this as a way to potentially save his legion from the rot, a la thousand sons. Even though I like chaos I'm suffering with severe "my dudes syndrome" and am sad that he'd likely fall to chaos

Just a thought, we can't really call the Horned God just the Horned God, given that most of the Chaos gods already have horns.

>>53214788
It's the rat god, right?

Plagueis

>>53211711

Symphonious Disciples anon here, I'll have a doc for the Primarch in a few hours, if all goes well. May the Emperor's light guide your path.

>>53214941
Neato

>tfw you ctrl+f'ed all morning for every keyword but triumvirate
I feel dumb.

Btw, it might be a good idea for folks to start namefagging. Tends to make discussion a little bit easier.

>>53215526
Steel Souls anon here. It's ok, I totally missed this thread too scrolling through the catalog.

>>53215810
It's a good idea, but it's also something that draws trolls and dickheads like flies. I've seen that happen in every AU 40k project, without exception.

Will witefag a little, then.

>>53215810
Neat

>>53215825
You can always use tripcodes.

Drawfaggotery in progress. Expect to see the face of Zelbezis Dyestes by the end of the day. Next up is Einchurt, if Totenkopf-anon has a description in mind.

>>53216037
Do you accept requests?

>>53211711
>Name
Earth Shakers

>Primarch
Stone fist johnson

>Legion/Primarch Personality
Generally stoic soldiers, usually spend free time either training or something else productive.

>Tactic Specialty
Anti vehicle and large numbers . Often excessive use of heavy weapons/explosives/anything that makes a boom or crater.

>Thematics
US civil war confederacy theme, mixed with a small hint of vikings.

>Colors
Grey and blue, again similar to civil war soldiers.

>>53216097
>Stone fist Johnson

That name's hilarious

Cool legion, feel free to expand on them.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e81AqB-9ElOVJw1KrmHBdBZbiGcJh1bdzIUI68cpb-E/edit?usp=sharing

Posted in the last thread. Is it good. Can it be accepted.

>>53216182
Separatists? Hell yeah. Maybe a little work in the color scheme.

>>53216097
I see someone else in the spreadsheet is using elephant in there name. I'm gonna use ulysses now to avoid any further confusion.

>>53216182
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angels_Revenant

Color scheme is pretty much already existing among canon Legions/Chapters, probably ought to find a different one. But that's not too hard to do, you'll be fine.

>>53216229
Good thinking. So what angle are you looking to go for with your dudes? Heavy weapons is cool, but if you're taking the civil war approach, wouldn't it be possible to base their tactics on that era? Anti-vehicle, big crater dudes are already covered, I think.

>>53216220
>>53216182

Will make changes to the colour scheme

Golden Mountains anon here, working on the Legion backstory and stuff. Been busy, but will try and have something ready tonight.

>>53211711
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wlaKVtg-3SfJF6118s5SF8eo0zpg1twRmpydWnn1iI0/edit?usp=sharing

Here's some initial lore for the Steel Souls concerning the homeworld's history and leading up to the moment the Primarch is found by the Emperor.

Comments are welcome.

>>53217103
I am writing the lore and background in the same doc as the rest of the Legion's info. That may help at controlling the amount of docs we have.

>>53217345
You mean the OP document? That's fine with me.

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>>53216037
Here he is. Not quite sure on the sword-and-scales symbol on his other shoulder.

>>53217406
Every Legion should have a file document with their info and fluff, explained and such.

>>53217621
That's dope, bro. May I request you something?

>>53217638
I guess I'm confused then. The document I linked is supposed to be a file with their info and fluff.

>>53217657
You may, absolutely no idea if/when I'll be able to tackle it though.

>>53217832
Great. I don't care about time. Would you please make a cool logo for the Silver Blades Legion and draw a sketch of Linares? For the logo, it would have some kind of nobiliary shield with swords and chivalry stuff. The primarch would be tall, like 3 meters, looking like Rogal Dorn but with beard and longer hair. That's my idea, what do you think?

>>53217621
>>53217832
Nice dude! Looks great! Would you like for me to include a description of Raj in the legion's document?

I have been writefagging some fluff about Linares' getting into power.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B54GxqBmAPc6ZXM3elFfU0YtN0U/view?usp=sharing

Link, for anyone interested.

>>53218142
If there's one fucking thing I've learned about this fucking world, it's that using "fuck" in every fucking sentence is really fucking cool, and fucking definitely not fucking childish or anyfuckingthing.

>>53217924
I suck majorly at drawing emblems. Will try with Linares though.

>>53218263
Okay, no problem!

>>53218258
At least is useful

>>53218383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63FDZJod0gs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fla_PRzipXE

True. Spongebob and Patrick think so too. You're in good company.

>>53218142
Sorry, wrong link, I think.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1t608XhyARQm0jg8zpEtVs-yJpU8EmPDbLEk-giB46dA/edit?usp=sharing

>>53218468
My sides have reached Armageddon's orbit

Also, the IQ of the thread has been lowered in about 2 minutes.

>>53218570
Well, it took the Hektor Heresy guys about 150 threads to put their heads completely up their own asses and ignore obvious holes in their writing.

You guys are on record pace to do it in three or four. But I'm glad you're entertained at least.

Have fun with Primarch Spongebob.

>>53218515
Are the Silver Blades (the weapon) just pieces of metal, or power swords?

>>53218720
They are lesser power swords. The Silver Slayer is pretty powerful, tho.

>>53211711
How should we decide when the Primarchs are found? I don't know if the one I'm writing should be found early, late, or whatever else. It seems like that would have a big impact on how their Legion works, since they'd either have more or less time with the Primarch.

Once you get past the "Found the Child" stage, how do you proceed from there?

Symphonious Disciples anon here, since we don't have a specialized psyker primarch, does anyone mind if I make Yochin Theritax a psyker so I can tie into the messianic prophecy I'm writing and give him an excuse to wield a guitar instead of a sonic cannon?

>>53219026

What if we decided who the Warmasters are, had the Loyalist/Chaos Warmaster be found first, have the Loyalist/Chaos Warmaster be found second, and then have the Separatist Warmaster be found roughly in the middle, and then randomly generated which primarch is found at which time?

>>53219164
Remind me, since there's supposed to be 3 factions in this Heresy for whatever reason, are we then going with 21 Primarchs to get the 7-7-7 split?

>>53219125
You may make him a Psyker

>++Thought of the day++
>Find the witch
>Burn the witch

>>53219125
I guess I need to make a bigger fuss about how Emil is a psyker, lol. The supreme "Psyberneticist".

>>53216229
Hello fellow pachydermfag, I see your taste in animals is formidable.

>>53219125
>Loyalist Noise Marines
>Primarch is high level bard
>Final proof that words can and will hurt

I love your Legion already.

>>53219217
We have been undecided. Doctor RaJob vouches for 21, while I support 18 primarchs. We're very close to the 18 legions mark if I'm not mistaken, and it would pretty much have one point of the to-do-list checked off. With the full range of legions we could start thinking about personal relationships, rivalries and friendships and what legion is involved in which campaigns. We could also start altering legions to make the even distribution among the three warmasters fair if we saw a surplus inone direction.

>>53219692
I guess my vote would be for 21 then, since 777 is an auspiciously lucky number for us, haha.

>>53219692
18 primarchs seems better. An even split don't seem right

>>53219729
I must've missed out, when has number 777 our lucky number? Or are you talking about your legion?

>>53219755
It would be 6-6-6 split.

>>53219782
I'm just referring to triple sevens in roulette being the big prize. A lucky number for us as authors/as a project, you know?

>>53219026
Isn't it pretty much that apart from Horus, all the legions' primarchs were found in that order? With Dark Angels first and Alpha Legion last and everyone according to their number?

>>53219842
I didn't know that! Sounds pretty cool.

I still suggest 18 primarchs. I prefer the minimalist approach.

>>53219804
does the factions need to be even?
loyalist/traitors seems to be the main conflict with the separatists taking the chance to break free in the chaos

>>53219869
I don't know off the top of my head, although I don't think they all followed that pattern.

>>53219891
Strictly speaking, the separatists need to be the LARGEST faction.

They have neither the backing of the Imperium to keep them supplied and reinforced, nor the blessings of Chaos to keep them alive for thousands of years.

Remember, they're going to have to build a sustained power base all on their own, from scratch, under attack from BOTH Chaos and the Imperium. Unless they all go 100% fleet based piracy, and even then attrition would annihilate them without us giving them ludicrous plot armor.

Chaos is easy mode, Imperium is hard mode, but Renegade is NewGame+, prepare your anus mode. Again, unless you handwave everything away like an unskilled writer would.

>>53219949
Maybe going renegade and joining other faction? Think of joining the Tau in M41 but in M31.

>>53219949
You make a fair point. The only alternative I see is that the Seperatists are either Xenos backed, which seems unlikely, or they start off with incredibly important worlds.

>>53220014
I guess you could join another faction, but that really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Especially since the only factions in this time period would be like, Orks and Eldar.

Blending Marines with those factions is both implausible sounding, and feels like powergaming/cherrypicking. It also reduces the agency of those Legions to act independently.

>>53220039
Yeah. The problem is that unless you start heavily distorting 40k lore, separatists on any meaningful scale are very implausible. If they take important places, then that just means Imps/Chaos work all the harder to pick off the low-hanging fruit before the other faction does. If they're allied to xenos... that just takes the story down a bizarre path.

>>53220099
You make some good points. I'll have to think on it for a bit.

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>>53220060
>>53220099
They may act indepently with some support from a X xenos race. Maybe a new one?

If they get important planets, they should be like Ultramar or Terra itself.

Hang on, what if the Separatists weren't united at first, but simply followed their own agenda/became separated from the Imperium, and once the Heresy had run its course, decided to form a loose alliance instead of submitting to the Imperium? And instead of fighting the Heresy, the Separatists fought the proto-Beast's WAAAGH, rapidly encroaching Tyranid swarms, and minor Xenos empires?

>>53211711
Yet another AU, now with more civil war.

I recommend not having an exact number of legions, because the struggle to have exactly twenty legions plagued both Hekheresy and Impasunder.

>>53220168
The Imperium would never cooperate. They will kill the separatists or get them inside again by other means.

>>53219949
So are we already writinginto the 41st millennium here? My thought process is always contained within the time period of the actual brotherwar. In this regard, I already suggested that the separatists have been the most succesful tendril of expeditions, earning them the bigger part of Imperial space and therefore the most resources, which is part of the reason to secede as they have become so self-supporting and distant tht they start to believe they should hold the power and not Terra.

Meanwhile the heretics fall to chaos because they went too close past a warprift/already were deeply affected by the Warp in some form.

I would agree though on the logic that separatists should be most numerous.

So then, separatist are like a confederacy, but what is the actual imperium like?

>>53220166
>>53220253

>Terra
>Held by separatists

Hoo boy.

>Adding more major xenos

That is a looooooot of extra writing work needed. not impossible, but I can tell you right now I won't be volunteering for it.

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Also, I'll be watching this thread for a week, may contribute after that.

Anybody from the other AUs there?

>>53220398
I don't say they manage to tke Terra, I'm saying a key motivation for a unified separatist faction is likely that since they hold the important part of Imperial space (or what they conceive to be the important part), that they should be the ones in charge and not terra. Obviously they would try to take the planet for its political and social worth, but that is another story entirely.

When exactly do the separatists secede, anyway? After the chaoslegions besiege terra? Or do they secede first and during the turmoil they create, the outnumbered chaoslegions sense an opportunity to strike?

>>53220398
Maybe the separatists just feel out of communication with the imperium. Like, They were great crusading far beyond the imperium's borders and were not aware of the heresy. By the time they find out about the heresy it is already over and they don't really trust those regents left to rule in their fathers stead. So they don't come back. and the space they've conquered becomes their new home

>>53220501
Hmm. I shall check the galactic maps. Maybe an idea will present itself. BRB.

>>53220496
Would they not secede first. They want to rule themselves and if they are the biggest faction they could.

>>53220501
Should the the loyal legions also have some fucked up shit they started to do post heresy to make sure chaos didn't happen again?

>>53220203
I doubt the Imperium really differentiates between the traitors and the separatists anyways, considering how secretive they are about the existence of chaos.

>>53220576
Right now that's no priority, we're primarily focusing on the rediscovery of the primarchs, the great crusade, and the split of the Imperium during the brotherwar.

>>53220576
well, the imperium wasn't a bad place to live in originally, but it started getting shitty after the Heresy. So the sudden increase in general totalitarianism could make some primarchs wrinkle their noses at the whole "Imperium" idea.

If that's the case, some separatist legions might be without a primarch when they bugger off as they may have spoken out against the new order/been in a position to take control of it and were thus killed, like Alexandri of Rosskar was in Hekto Heresy. After this these legions lost their faith in the new imperium and left it behind

>>53220501
>>53220496
>>53220548
Yes, I can see perhaps a viable option.

Destroy the Tau completely. Flee into the far edge of the Sagittarius Arm. All those planets which support the Tau Empire successfully can also support the separatists. Don't go the "Well we're allied with the Tau cause I'm too cool for school", fucking *obliterate* them in their infancy and build a real fortress before the Imperium can get its shit together enough to come checking on the Galactic Fringe.

Also probably claim Ultramar's territory. They will need those planets as well.

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/17/Wh40k_starmap.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090226111632

I base this on this map. There's enough real estate there to form a credible galactic secondary power, it's extremely far away from both the Eye of Terror and Terra, and it's isolated enough to give the separatists time to get their shit together.

The separatists will have a small empire, but they can also administer that empire much more cohesively than the Imperium can. Many of the advantages that Guilliman and the Tau had would also apply to them. They don't have to out-fight either the Imperium or Chaos, they just have to be unpalatable enough to not get ground under immediately.

With time, perhaps the Imperium and the Separatists *might* reach detente, assuming the Separatists don't stoke the fires of war too badly. Particularly when the Hive Fleets show up, the Separatists can cut a deal with Terra to be their "Border March/Buffer State" against Behemoth and Kraken. Imperials won't like it, but such a splinter state could be many times more efficient at handling the Tyranids than they could.

And then no one can call this group a bunch of powergaming faggots wanking to a Tau-Separatist alliance with Gauss Rifle Marines and Tau Titans and shit. Seriously, kill the Tau.

But that's just my opinion.

Did Big Emps still get a bunch of power from journeying into a warp portal on that one planet (Molech I think?), then memory wipe whatever primarchs were with him?If It'd fit In this AU I'd like to make a legion that he based on that planet, and created their geneseed to cause them them to be hypervigilant and territorial. Like, they're super protective of their homeworld and only really crusade In smaller forces, leaving most of their legion planetside. They don't realm know why, either, but they feel like It's incredibly important. In the current fluff he left one perpetual chick to guard his secret, and basically figured everyone else living there would decent the planet anyway. I guess they'd end up seperatists or loyalists, even If they were loyal they'd probably be space wolves level private about their planet.

>>53220693
That premise is pretty close to what I had in mind. The only thing I am currently unsure about is the fact we envisioned (or maybe I misunderstood it as such) a three-way brotherwar. If the separatists play go that route of "let's just be unimportant enough", then that means they're essentially withdrawing from the conflict, doesn't it?

Also hive fleets shouldn't be among the least factors to play into our world builsing.

>>53220777
*should be

Sorry, on my phone and had a long day.

>>53220777
I'm also not clear on how exactly the separatists are.

A true three-way fight to the death would almost certainly result in the separatists complete destruction if we don't also take the extreme step of splitting the Galaxy more or less down the middle with them.

Then you'd have effectively two Imperiums, both beset by Chaos.

Except only one of them would have the Emperor. You could invent some sort of "Emperor-Equivalent" for the separatists, but that would feel very handwavey to me.

Idk.

>>53220831

Why not have the Separatists try to defend themselves from Chaos and the Imperium, but be a less important threat to both, allowing them to survive but still participate in the war effort?

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>>53220166
>>53220398

Speaking of additional Xenos, could these fuckers be a minor Chaos-tainted race on the galactic fringe? Just look at that, there's no way the Chaos Gods didn't have a hand in that thing's creation.

>>53220885
Maybe the separatists were turning up before the Heresy, more as a political movement among the populous of planets than a school of thought among the primarchs. Then the Heresy happens and the loyal legions are called back to protect Terra. while have those loyal legions do the other half doesn't (for a variety of reasons) and are branded traitors. Meanwhile the heretics still think that the separatists have the imperium's backing and so attack them. These legions find themselves without allegiance to either side and so pick up the rhetoric and beliefs of the separatists.

unable to be backed by the emperor or the Chaos Gods the separatists strike out on their own, fighting both Chaos and Imps during the war before using the chaos created by the battle of Terra (If that still happens) to slip away from imperial space. The imperium assumes they fled with the rest of the heretics and the forces of Chaos assume the separatists perished chasing them. As such it's a big surprise when they turn up as their own empire somewhere in the arse end of space

>>53221016
Quit shilling that other thread, dude.

>>53220885
That's basically my previous suggestion, have the separatists back off to the fringe, fight their way free of both, then try and stabilize themselves.

They'd still do a lot of fighting obviously.

>>53220712
The Emperor created legions to conquer space and hold it with regular human personnel. I doubt he wouldn't scrap a legion that just mopes around a subsector or maybe two within the first year of service.

A good place for the separatists to fortify themselves would be Ultramar or the Ultima Segmentum. That's far enough from everything in the galaxy to be safe and big enough to have resources to spare.

Kadir is in the Ultima Segmentum, one of the main focus of the Separatists could be driving off the Silver Blades from their territory.

>I bet it won't be as easy as it seems

>>53221290
Maybe a batallion—sized Fuckstodes force?

>>53220831
Matbe not a emperor or champion tier guy, but maybe a bunch of primarchs survived and now live in the splinter imperium?
The caveat is that the separatist legions are the extremist and problem legions who were sent on a crusade that would be baiscally suicide so that the heresy would be one on one

>>53221404
My interpretation of all this is that we really need to decide how hostile the Imperium/Separatist break is first and foremost.

Is it a: "I respectfully disagree with you brother, and I'm going to back off and give us both some space until we can reconcile these issues"?

Is it: "I really don't like what you're doing and I'm going to Cold War you to undermine it/encourage you to travel a better path, using force if absolutely necessary"?

Or is it "Fuck you, fuck your couch, fuck everything you stand for, fuck the Emperor he's a retard with too much power, we out this bitch and BTW, we set half of your empire on fire on the way out, say hi to Chaos for us"?

Or something else entirely?

>>53221445
I feel like a three-front full on war is very much in with the feel of 40K.

So I reckon the third choice would be epic

>>53221445
Having several separatist legions may lead to different ways of saying bye.

>>53221445
Option three seems to fit best

So the current placements are:

>Loyalists:
- the Golden Mountains
- the Silver Blades
- The Sentinels
- the Symphonious Disciples
- the Titan Marchers
- the Quaestor's Wardens

>Separatists:
-the Death's Heads
- the Host of Purity
- the Iron Guard

>Chaos Traitor:
- the Loxodontii
- the Bronze Lords

> Undecided:
- the Leviathan Host
- Steel Souls
- the Pillars of Balance
- the Spears of Dawn

>>53221549
If the separatists aren't united, they're 100% going to cease to exist in short order. Of course, that might be a good option for the writers, idk.

>>53221503
>>53221596
Just keep in mind the consequences of that. The separatists won't have the Emperor, they won't have a stable civilian support base, they likely won't be able to seal much of the Guard or Navy.

Remember, if Imperials are dissenting enough already to secede, they're FAR more likely to fall to Chaos. Everything the separatists do, everywhere they go, everyone they fight, they're going to be hemorrhaging from attrition since they don't have an Emperor-like figure to keep the population strong and focused.

It's like if someone cheats on their significant other. They're VASTLY more likely to do so again if they've done it once already.

Truthfully, as cool as it sounds, I feel like you'd have to jump through so many logical contortion hoops that a truly savage/hostile secession would be very badly written.

But again, I'm not writing any of that, wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole, so you guys do as you see fit. I'm just brainstorming.

>>53221724
They may be united, but the path taken to reach the secession may be different. It could be difficult, but maybe having a charismatic leader or something like that can make the deal

>>53221631
>the Loxodontii
I'm curious.

Idea:
Three expedition tendrils, each under a Warmaster. We can agree as much on this.
The expedition going into the eastern fringes/Segmentum Ultima naturally is the most important because it will have to cover a lot of ground and therefore requires the most competent person in order to administrate this massive warmachine.
This expedition would later become the separatists, and it is actually led by the Emperor's most favourite son, because he is the only one he trusts to be able to manage such a feat. Because he doesn't trust him "completely", he appoints two others (maybe even just one other while he himself "leads" the loyalist tendril in name only) Warmaster in order to keep his one son in check.
This favoured son would become so proud of both the emperor's trust and his massive achievements that he eventually comes to see himself as equal, if not superior, to his father. We may have to sprinkle just a tiny bit of Chaos corruption into the mix, after all. Either way, the separatist Warmaster decides to rally all his conquered worlds and the legions under his command to plot a political uprising where they would become equals to the Emperor, and failing that, would replace big E with separatist Warmaster. Since his infrastructure isn't smoothly operating, yet, separatist Warmaster may be able to quickly levy an army outnumbering the loyalists, but can't keep momentum from point X onward, which is where the first standstill happens. At this point, he starts losing suport from certain legions as they question his agenda and accuse him of being a hypocrite, just trying to replace one tyrant with another. The separatist offensive slugs onward, and eventually falls apart as legions decide to withdraw completely from this Warmaster's motion. This is where the second standstill happens, and where the actual Chaos uprising begins.

[cont.]

>>53222081
At this point, the smallest expedition tendril had already turned traitor. The Emperor had known that these expeditions would go close toward the later Eye of Terror, and thus decided to send the smallest required number of legions to minimise possible losses, and also sending a Warmaster with them, hoping it would help prevent possible corruption. Naturally, this fails, and the expeditons all fall to chaos. Now since they were so few, they knew they had to wait for their opportunity to strike or else their mission to kill the Emperor would fail. With the rebellion of the separatists came their first opportunity, where they slowly began to break-off contact, solidify their control over their conquered worlds and began to prepare their assault.
As the second standstill happened and the loyalist‘s efforts focused on driving back the separatists, the heretics started their campaign of destruction. The Imperium saw itself caught between two fronts, which the separatists used for their advantage, but as soon as they established contact with the heretics, presuming them to be allies, they were met with hostility and eventually the separatists realised that they could not work together with these legions. We may use the envy of the heretic Warmaster for his favoured brother as motivation for him to not join forces with the separatists, instead believing he alone should be the one orchestrating their father‘s death, all the while also destroying everything the separatist Warmaster built. In fact this envy and hatred could be used to make the heretics become unfocused on their endgoal, instead dispersing too much across the northern fringe into the Segmentum Ultima as the heretic warmaster believes to be able to have two easy opponents after their initial conflict.

[cont.]

>>53222097
This leads to the separatist Warmaster seeking out his old allies that had withdrawn their support for him in his initial attempt, bringing them back into the fold because without their help, the heretics might very much have a chance to bring large portions of their lieges irreversebly to ruin. This leads to sub-movements within the separatists: Those who want to preserve their own personal holdings and have to rely on the vast logistics that the separatist warmaster possesses to withstand the storm of Chaos, and those who genuinely stay with their Warmaster, having grown more attached to him than their Emperor and who believe his cause to be just. This makes the separatists an alliance of convenience where a fragile solidarity has taken place, but allows for a lot of covert operations and skirmishes between them, thus making it difficult for the separatist Warmaster to rally his superior numbers effectively against the Emperor or Chaos.
This leaves us with a nice three-way perspective for the brotherwar scenario up until the siege of Terra: The loyalists are the most cohesive force, united under the loyal Warmaster (Or Big E, with his Praetorian taking the sort-of role as Warmaster administrating the war effort), the separatists have superior numbers and supply but can barely direct them, and chaos are a dedicated army that overestimates itself by taking on two enemies at the same time where victory is only possible because they can‘t truly commit to fighting them back.

>>53221862
Your interest compels me to post this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V__NgsBQIQY9MQZmpkk9t7CGSJWDQifQkHVuurZMJbg/edit

>>53222119
Got to say I really like that idea

>>53221724
The majority of people conquered or otherwise brought to compliance during the Great Crusade have never laid eyes on the emperor, but they have seen the primarchs. And if one primarch with the support of his brothers declares he's the new Emperor now, that's just as well for average joe citizens. They're not going to become lovecraftian occultists just because they had a political or social falling out with a major interplanetary coalition. They might secede even further until we reach "Freedom for Kosovo" levels of balkanisation, yes, however for the sake of this fan undertaking, let's assume the people actually believe their authorities, and the authorities support the separatist movement because it promises them more influence in that interplanetary coalition.

In a way, the separatists are the more sensible version of what the Horus Heresy was about, without crazy metaphysical parasites making everything worse, while the metaphysical parasites made their own ISIS-like third party.

>>53222136
BTw. lol realised I had editorial rights in the OP excel file, linke Loxodontii lore.

>>53222320
I'm not totally convinced, but mostly I was referring to the other Marines more than the common folk when I made my earlier statement. The separatists would almost certainly be bleeding Marines left and right.

Now that I think about it, the Void Angels and Markian Corps would've been perfect for the separatists.

>>53224054

There's no reason you can't apply them here, we're in desperate need of Separatists, and the more the merrier.

>>53224170
>There's no reason you can't apply them here,
Well, besides the fact the Void Angels aren't mine, but I have a couple legions that would fit the bill.

>>53224234

Ah, I haven't read the old threads, I assumed you'd created them. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

>>53224337
Yeah, we probably don't want people to look at this project and say "there go those plagiarists", lol.

>>53224337
Understandable, since one was just the Imperial Guard version of the other.

Fortunately, I have a treasure trove of ideas not applied to the other AUs.

Ogre Legion, space samurai
Supermarines, RAF with knightly shit going on.
Hunters of Avalon, British hunters
High Riders, marines with leather and bikes.
Marines Mechanicus, marines created in secret by a Mechanicus splinter from embezzled gene seed.

>>53221631
I'm actually going to rename the Bronze Lords to cut down on the amount of metal marines and use less of a Mesopotamian theme. I'm going with Forge Lords for now as I'm set on the Lords part, but the first word is open to change.

>>53223835
Again, we should treat separatists as non-occult versions of the OU traitorlegions. Horus was charismatic and manipulative, which allowed him to exploit the character weakness of the traitorlegions. He even was able to keep Angron and Kurze on board long enough to stick around up until the siege of Terra. That's not because he hypnotised them with Chaoswarpfuckery but his own power of character on top of the traitors already having legitimate reasons to oppose the old Imperial rule due to butthurt.
We should treat our separatist Warmaster the same. We have a slightly different approach, one which could mean an even stronger bond between the Warmaster and separatist legions, since they as an expedition tendril can relate their entire military history to eachother for as long as they had a Warmaster. In that regard we're really downplaying just how charismatic our Warmaster can be by already allowing the separatists to have so much dissent it leads to legions splintering off before they even got anywhere near Terra.
It would only be fair if we assumed that the separatist Warmaster could keep the separatists together at least by name for the duration of the brotherwar until at least the siege of Terra. We can think about what each faction does once we have the timeline up to that point.

>>53225686
I commend you on your thinking.

I still want to say I think it's funny that people rack their brains over metallic names when the official canon has two legions which both have iron in their name, not even caring about having a broad spectrum of metals in their catalogue.

I realized that I never finished this:
Selfishness, jealousy and ambition. These are the virtues of old Zharr-Naggrund that nearly all of its inhabitants followed. There was no honor in the courts of the smith-kings, only self serving acts and ceaseless plotting beneath the kings who constantly committed their resources to ever more construction and industry in the name of progress. Such was the world that young Mot Hadad was raised in, and though he was taken in as the son of the Grand Smith in his tower of brass, even he was not sheltered from the constant politicking of the noble class. He grew to hate it. He vowed that when he inherited the throne he would put an end to the dark intrigues that plagued Zharr-Naggrund.

[Cont]

>>53226290
Mot Hadad sought to convince his adopted father that the internicine plots of the noble class would only serve to weaken their city-state of Zharr-Gaal, but was met with the response that it was and had always been the way of Zharr-Naggrundians. Realizing that he would not be able to enact any sort of change until he was the ruler of Zharr-Gaal, Mot simply put his father to the sword and declared himself tyrant of the city-state. There was no plot, only an action and a statement. His first move as tyrant was to ban the plotting of Zharr-Gaal noble houses against one another, and he executed the firstborn of and my that objected.

[Cont, possibly tomorrow]

>>53226097
Two is coincidence, four or five starts to look weird.

Hi,
I want to participate and here is a quick look at my Legion.


Name: Gunslingers
Primarch: Des Chain
Legion traits: Personal Freedom of everyone. The Emperor wants to put everyone under his tyrannic rule. Free yourself and fight the Oppressor. Pnly Chaos gives you true freedom.
Specialty: Ranged Combat and Pistol focused Close Combat -> Gun Kata
(Your sword is nothing compared to my bullet in your head)

Theme: Cowboys. And I don't mean those shiny american cowboys. No spaghetti western. Dirty and filty.

Color: Silver and Black. But the Silver.is very dirty and dark. Worn out.

>>53211711
mind if I join?

>Name
The Pale Hounds
>Primarch
Valorn Adras
>Personality
Self-reliant, independent and stubborn the Pale Hounds dislike being forced to call on outside forces for aid. In fact, their wiliness to accept offers of aid often decreases as the difficulty of their mission grows. This causes some to see them as glory hounds (Heh), though it comes more from the Hound’s underestimation of normal humans and over estimation of themselves. They are also perfectionists and will obsess over every mistake/failure and the rectification of such mistakes/failures.
>Tactical speciality
Combination of Guerrilla warfare and blitzkrieg. Drop troops behind enemy lines to disrupt operations and erode the strength of the frontline then smash it with a sudden, ferocious and above all else unrelenting assault.
>Colours
A normal marines armour is a pale sandy brown with light green pauldrons and kneecaps, for these colours remind them both of what Valorn’s Home world once looked and what it became. Verdant hills to dust. Sergeants have green right hands and captains have both their hands painted green to distinguish them from the rest.
>Allegiance
Valorn joined the Separatists, though small numbers of his legion remained loyalist and an even smaller number joined the forces of Chaos.
>Opinion on Psykers
The Emperor is a psyker and is probably the most powerful human being alive. As such every psyker has the potential to be as powerful as him, so we should have some of that power in our arsenal.
>Themes
Not 100% sure yet

>>53228409
>Geneseed mutations
A small percentage of the marines have an extremely overactive Betcher gland that constantly produces highly corrosive acid and mix it with the marine’s saliva. If not treated properly most afflicted marines will melt from the inside out, starting with the mouth. It is treated by connecting tubes to the Betcher gland that drain it of its acid and transfer it to a pair of acid proofed canisters attached to the marine’s back. Most afflicted marines will attach a pair of chem sprayers to these canisters so that their mutation does not limit their combat effectiveness. These marines often find themselves as part of Guerrilla operations. Other than that? The Pale Hounds often have pale almost sickly looking skin tones.
>Homeworld?
Fleet-based. Valorn's homeworld of Taiga was destroyed in a great cataclysm not long after he was rediscovered by the Emperor.

>>53228409
>>53228428
Sounds baller.

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Legion pic update. It's looking nicely varied so far.

>>53228409
>>53228428
Sounds good to me too.

>>53228672
>>53228615
Excellent. if there's no objections I'll just throw them in the doc then

>>53211711
I was thinking for the separatists, have them stay loyal until after the heresy which is ultimately what tips the balance in favor of the imperial's. Then when the stand in Papa Smurf suggests the break up of the legions into chapters then the stand in Dorn takes his supporters and forms the separatist faction, with the Imperium being to weakened to really stop them?

>>53228672
Host of purity guy here I have an updated colour scheme in the description document.

>>53228848
Impossible. Only 7 traitor legions vs 13 loyal means it would get crushed with minimal casualties on the IoM's side.

>>53228878
This is true, but what if the warmaster enjoyed for more success than Horus in the istvan and subsequent aftermath leading up to the final assult so that all the loyalist factions were vastly weaker so the sheer number of legions meant they were still fighting with almost the same number of marines?

I agree with elephantfag. That's a good background we got there

Still working on the fluff of my Legion. Stay tuned.

>>53217103
I like it! Starting off strong with some major sci-fi, something a level of ingenuity by Dark Age of Technology humanity that's rarely seen. Nice to actually see a planet's journey through the Age of Strife. So far it's a very unique Primarch origin, keep it up!

>>53218142
>>53218258
I agree that the constant use of 'fuck' is a bit much.

>>53219125
>>53219551
Nothing wrong with having multiple psykers.

>>53219692
>>53219729
>>53219755
>>53219804
>>53219889
>>53219891
My ultimate preference will always be 21, but we could just start once we reach 18 and insert the rest as we go along.

>>53219869
No, they were not found in order. Alpharius Omegon being found last is just a coincidence.

>>53220693
This is a great idea. Have the Seperatists take the Tau planets while they're in their infancy, along with Ultramar (Ultramar would still exist as an Empire, it just wouldn't be as big or powerful without Guiliman). The Seperatists could even bolster their forces with enslaved xenos auxiliaries.

The Tyranids are something we'll need to discuss at a later point, as they're drawn to the Milky Way because of the Pharos device, activated because of Guiliman and his Imperium Secundus.

>>53220712
>>53221290
Not up for the idea of having a legion defend Moloch. The reason he mind wiped everyone was to make them believe the planet was insignificant. Doesn't really work if it's a legion's homeworld.

>>53221056
My original suggestion was having the (some of) the Seperatists be survivors of this AU's version of Isstvan V, who got left behind by true Loyalist legions, so they decide to abandon Terra.

>>53221404
>>53221445
Option 3 is probably the best choice. We could also have the Seperatists be run by the remaining Seperatist Primarchs, or Legion/Chapter masters?

>>53221724
>>53222320
>>53223835
Dunno, if the Seps start with the right worlds, they should be able to stabalize themselves relatively quickly. They would use the Brotherwar to their advantage.

cont.

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>>53228672
Here;s the look for the Sentinels. Sorry if the heavy bolter makes it inconvenient, I can do a normal marine if you like

>inb4 it's too plain
I like it that way
Also chapter generator can't do my vision of Sentinel armour being nearly completely covered in Harrdinese text detailing each legionnaire's epic and verses reminding him of what the legion stands for

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>>53229029
Just kidding, I finally figured out what those dial things were. This is the one I'd like on the chart

>>53222081
>>53222097
>>53222119
I like it. This seems well thought out and I see no obvious flaws in it, though I'm hessitant to stray too far from a 6-6-6 or 7-7-7 division of legions. I don't want one of the factions to get more of a spotlight than the others.

>>53226068
I agree with this completely. During the first couple of books of the Horus Heresy series, Horus actually makes some pretty compelling points, Sure, a lot of it is based on self-fulfilling prophecies shown to Horus by the Chaos Gods, but that doesn't change the fact that his logic is somewhat sound.

>>53227759
I've had an idea for a gunslinging Primarch before. If you could fluff them out a bit, they might work.

>>53228409
>>53228428
Sounds good! Nice to have more Seps, and finally we have a (somewhat) sneaky legion.

>>53229029
Dunno man, I'm liking the Sentinels, but I think you might be taking the plain, run-of-the-mill legion thing a bit too far.

>>53229050
Added in.

>>53228859
Unfortunately I can't copy the image from your google doc. If you could post the image in here that'd be really helpful.

I've been thinking about the Titan Marchers, specifically Raj's loyalty during the Brotherwar. Right now he's listed as a loyalist, but I've been considering having him join the seperatists. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Reasons for him being loyal:
>His legion fully appreciates the might of Titans, machines that are often considered to be avatars of the Emperor's might
>They would understand that their legion heavily relies on the support structure of the Adeptus Mechanicus. This might almost force them to stay with the Imperium, if there's little Seperatist support inside the AdMech.
>I like the idea of Raj meeting his end defending the Imperial Palace in his Apocalypse-class Titan

Reasons for secession:
>As a support legion, he would most likely be assigned to the largest front, with the Seperatist Warmaster
>His origin has him rising up against a dominant and distant ruling class, which means he might take issue with the direction the Emperor and the Imperium are taking
>If Raj were to secede, he might take a large portion of the AdMech with him, which would be a large asset to the Seperatists and explain how they're able to keep their equipment up and running.

>>53229088
Don't worry, I plan on doing a lot more with them. I just don't have a lot of free time with sort of stuff

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>>53229092
of course here you are

>>53229114
Cheers

>>53229093
I feel like possibly because of Raj's noble upbringing among the leadership of Manaan, he would feel that he should be more in command of his own legion, the string of systems that he has conquered, and his own sovereignty. Also it'd be cool to imagine huge mountains of steel and fire turning on the very brothers they swore to protect.

But it's your dudes, and you do what you like with them man. Either way, I'm looking forward to writefagging up the interactions between yours and my legion

>>53229145
Also

>mfw nobody wants to be next to you on the legion charts ;_;

This looks really fun, writefag here and ready to serve, ya bois need anything writen or expanded?

>>53229153
Yeah. You and the Forge Lords have no friends :P

>>53229154
Just go to town man, do what you please.
Although we do need some work on the whole setting of the three warmasters and the exact directions they take as far as I know

>>53229291
We really need to appoint the three Warmasters.

Don't know who would be up for their Primarch becoming Warmaster. Any takers? Raj shouldn't be one of the Warmasters, anyway.

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I will fluff them out.

-Short: Imagine the Wild West, the humans drove the native inhabitants back (Ork feral tribes) but the life was harsh. Bandits roamed the lands and the orks regained their numbers and plagued the human settlements.

Primarch Des Chain crashlanded in the wilderness and was adopted by bandits and soon he became their leader.
When a new disastrous ork waagh began, they asked the bandits for help, claimed that their crimes will be forgiven (bandits are the most experienced in fighting). Des Chain agreed if the rewards was worth it and the settlemens promised big rewards. Des Chains united the bandits and they defeated the ork waagh, however, the settlements lied and tried to lure the bandits afterwards into traps, keeping the rewards for themselves. So the bandits once again turned against the settlements, but this time as a combined force and they destroyed all opposition and Des Chain claimed the leadership of the planet, setting up an criminal utopia, where eveything belongs to everyone and only the strength decides who takes it in the end.
Then the emperor arrived, claiming the planet as his own and Des Chain as his son. Des Chain refused to go with the Emperor and so the emperor abducted him and destroyed the planets population. Seeing the power of the emp, he swore an oath of fellowship to the emperor but he waited for the day, when he was strong enough to leave.

The established Gunslingers were later known to be the first in the battle and the first to leave. If their goal has been reached, they didn#t cared for the rest. Do your job, claim the prize and leave the rest to the others. Of course they were not seen with gentle eyes and often were critized by the other primarchs.

(Short Version, longer will come soon)

The look: just more ragged

>>53229154
Maybe some battle with interaction between the Primarchs and the Legions. Not necessarily after the Heresy.

>>53229331
That looks pretty cool

>>53229331
That's pretty much the Silver Blades' scheme. I think you need to be more bold. Use browns, oranges and reds, really play up that cowboy aesthetic in their scheme.

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>Name
Smoke Stalkers
>Primarch
Isekho The Unseen
>Legion/Primarch Personality
He landed on the planet of “Mist”, a world inhabited by primitive human tribes. The planet itself was covered by a perpetual layer of fog that limited sight to only a few feet. Due to not being able to see due to the fog, the tribes developed a tradition removing their eyes. When Isekho was found on the planet he was raised by one of the tribe’s war chief. Once found Isekho also had his eyes removed, making him reliant on his other senses.
Once united with his legion he had no concern as to where his recruits came from, however he kept his tribe’s tradition of blinding all new recruits, forcing them to rely on their other senses which would be become more finely tuned than that of a marine from another legion.
>Tactical Specialty
Covering the battlefield in smoke, allowing them to attack unseen.
Poison weapons
>Thematics
Tribal culture.
>Colours
A light brown with white shoulders and Knees

What do you guys think? Is it a bit outlandish?

>>53229374
Hm.... very interesting. The only thing I wonder about whether or not the Emperor would allow such a practise to continue. I like them though, unique concept.

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I've actually been the Editor for a few published anthologies. I think I'm too late to what you have going to write up a whole legion, seems like you have plenty, but If you want me to really flesh out anything you already have going on I like this whole thing and It'd be fun to help.
Pic unrelated.

>>53229399

That was my thought as well. However, Angron did the whole butcher's nails and I see it as a similar idea. The emperors disapproval could end up being a reason to turn these guys separatist.

>>53229423
They could also go Chaos, with their other senses being enhanced, they'd make good Slaaneshi cultists.

>>53229322
Unfortunately the only Warmaster we might be able to pronounce would be for the Loyalists. The other factions are just too in flux right now.

But on the Loyalist front it looks like it would probably be between Krees, Linares and Je'she.

Linares might be considered too uncouth by some of his more refined brothers to take seriously. Also his tendency to troll might annoy his brothers too. But he is undoubtedly proficient in all areas of warfare, being both a noted strategist and having great personal prowess.

Je'she has a gift for the bigger picture, which is good for the position of Warmaster. He also seems to be better at rebuilding worlds into productive Imperial planets more than his brothers which would be invaluable too.

Krees is just a plain and simple solder. He's quite straightforward and direct, but he is also absolutely focused on the Crusade with few extraneous hobbies or pastimes. He also has a knack for melding groups together to be more effective in collaboration than apart.

>>53229432
Maybe. But i think we need more separatist legions atm.

>>53229458
Perhaps so, but we're also in need of traitors. We do still have a couple of seperatist slots, so they could join the seps.

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I'm not particularly against Raj joining the Separatists, and the Pale Hounds sound baller. Here's a gift to their joining of the Breakaway Imperium. This afternoon shall see the drawing of another primarch, post descriptions and I'll see what I can do.

>>53229469
Okay, I'm gonna add them to the spreadsheet but leave their allegiance blank for now. I will wait and see what others have to say about it.

Hmmm, the Silver Blades are pure silber, where the gunslingers are gunmetal black. It is like dark Angels and iron hands.

And please not the colorful aesthetics. But brown instead of black could be something.

Or to keep it easy. Grey instead of gun blade.

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>>53229479
Raj is not large for a Primarch. In fact, he would most likely be one of the shortest amongst his brothers. He makes up for his lack of height by being rather bulky, with a bear-like physique. His skin is a dark brown, in terms of a real life ethnicity; Rajasthani.

He has a large, but not entirely unfriendly face. He possesses a magnificent thick black beard and mustache, much like pic related. His left eye socket has been fitted with a mechanical replacement.

His most recognisable feature is his massive blue and orange turban. The large headwear is decorated with many icons, including the Mechanicus and Titanicus symbols, as well as the Imperial Aquilla and, ofcourse, his legion's own badge, a rough draft of which I will include in a follow up post.

His armor is designed to allow for the Primarch to breach and siege without the aid of a Titan. As such, his armor has two adjustable shoulder mounted cannons, one firing plasma, the other firing grenades, linked directly into his nervous system.

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>>53211711
I'd like to join if you'll have me.
>Name
Chosen of Hecate

>Primarch
Lambach Kropor, Master of the X Legion. Powerful psyker. Prefered weapon is a Power Spear.

>Allegiance
Loyal

>Personality
Value is placed on age and retaining the wisdom of the ancients.
A capable fighter but prefers to win fights by tapping into the warp.
Lambach searches out and recruits those who have been touched by the warp.
He has learned what he believes to be a lot about the chaos gods and is certain that the only way to battle them is to make use of the gifted.

>Tactical Specialty
As so much emphasis is placed on venerating the ancients the chapter makes more use of Dreadnaughts.
Heavily armed dreads are employed in place of Devastators or Assault marines.
Squad leaders are usually psykers who favor the same weapon as the primarch.
Not uncommon for detatchments to be lead by a captain or Librarian dread.

>Thematics
Greek. The chapter symbol would be a key with crossed candles behind.

>Colors
Bleached Bone with Black trim, robes are often dark green.

Symphonious Disciples anon here, I'll have the doc in a few hours, barring distractions, failing that, I'll have it by the end of the day

>>53229781
While they´re not terrible, they´re not particularly remarkable, especially since we already have legions with plenty of psykers, and we´re really looking for traitors right now, I think.

>>53229781
This gonna be a Thousand sons style legion with each squad being psychic?

>>53229781
do we really need more loyalists atm

>>53229900
Well we have 6 loyalists, 4 seps and 3 traitors. we should probably start adding more seps and traitors. Did we decide on what kinda split we are going to have in regards to faction sizes?

>>53229931
I'm going for 18 Legions. We have problems filling Traitors and Secessionists slots.

>>53229931
No, it´s something that has been brought up several times but without any concrete decision being made.

I´m in camp 7-7-7, with 21 legions.
Elephantfag is in camp 6-6-6, with 18 legions.

Elephant's biggest point is that he doesn't want to wait until we've filled 21 slots until we get started plotting events proper, but I think that at this rate, we'll get the slots filled without issue.

>>53229954
Well we currently have 18 legions already, but some of them are barely fleshed out.

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Gotta fill the ranks!

>>53229900
I thought it was low on loyalists, I can change them to separatists if that would be better? Would prefer to keep them away from chaos.
Can tone down the psykers and focus more on the dreads aspect?

>>53230087
it depend how we end up spiting into the three factions so you could stay loyal its not fully decided

>>53230117
Well I can easy tone down the psyker bit. They are named after the greek goddess of Necromancy. What I really wanted to do with them is kind of more revolve around bringing guys back from the dead using dreads. So Librarian dreads would be like Lichs. If that makes sense.

>>53230229
This idea could easily be turned into a nurgle style traitor legion if you were willing to.

>>53230229
I get were you are coming from and I like the dreads as captains idea

>>53229781
Well hey there, Deathwing wearing some Dark Angels green robes. Nice to see you.

About the Primarch:

Des Chain (wip, may End up with a different Name)

- lost trust in humans when they backstabbed him.
-Power is everything
- can be cruel at times ( shot the legs if another legions Captain When he critized the Gunslingers esrly departure after the battle
- wields two Pistols, "despair" and "conquest", uses special ammu ition
- loves des destroyers
- if it saves his times he Pikes to use exterminatus
- forbidden is such a long term
-however, bis marines admire him because they tend to be on the winning side and have compared to other Legion only Minor casualties
- tactical genius ( the others bleed, we win)
-stubborn
- exeptional marksmen
-refuses to wear a melee weapon
"You don't need a blade in a gunfight"
However, uses his guns AS if they were melde weapons -> Dodges Blades or shoots Them to alter their Direction
-fast reflexes
- dreams if his own little empire

>>53230423
Cool idea, liking the cypher style guns in melee.

You said the legion will be traitor, what god, if any, will the legion fall to?

>>53230456
Maybe Khorne? Shooty Gunzekers?

>>53230423
Are you twelve? and having a stroke?

>careful with that nothin personnel there kiddo

>>53230466
That could be cool

>>53226410
>and my
That's any.

Mot Hadad knew that the city-states of Zharr-Naggrund were rivals, but he did not know how bitterly they hated one another. When a neighboring city-state attempted to assassinate him while he held court, he declared war and personally saw to the creation of new weapons to ensure the victory of Zharr-Gaal. After the first city fell, Mot Hadad set his sights on planetary domination. It was not long after he reached this goal that the Emperor arrived on Zharr-Naggrund under and spirited him away to fight in the great crusade.

Alright, that's complete. Tell me what you guys think.

>>53230563
Not bad. Is this hatred for plotting and intrigue gonna become part of the reason they become traitor?

>>53230263
If we are super low on chaos guys I can have them jump ship. I was just thinking I'd have liked Lambach to be pretty close with Big E. And that he could maybe go separatist if his ideals didn't match the new order. But if someone would like to help me flesh them out more they could go chaos?

>>53230642
You were saying about necromancy stuff and use of dreadnoughts? This could be translated into some form of fear of death or trying to avoid death, thus allowing the primarch and legion to be seduced by nurgle?

I am 11!!! And no, my cellphone display broke and typing is now the hell.

I think khorny gunserkers would be really cool, although we don't are too much in the battle honor stuff.

>>53230642
wisdom + psyker could be a tzeentch
but maybe its been done before with magnus the red

>>53230628
Yeah, I was going to have him have some kind of experience with the High Lords as the Emperor's regents. He'd also see some kind of vision of the Imperium stagnating as a result of the Emperor stepping back from the Great Crusade and decide that that couldn't come to pass.

How many people do you guys think your average imperial fleet could hold? Not as crew but as cargo? I'm trying to figure out how many people survive the destruction of Taiga and don't want to go overboard

>>53230698
Yeah that could work. I think I like nurgle for it too. But don't really like the bloated mess of standard plague marines. How about rather they mutate into something like rat men (bringers of plauge)? Could change thier name after they turn to "Warpclaws" or something? So then psykers are like Grey seers.

Nurgle is also god of life. You could go the total opposite of the standard plague thing and display healthy, beautiful marines....who spread death and decay. Anything they touch rots away.

>>53230893
That's a cool idea, I like the idea of our traitors being completely different to actual 30k/40k traitors.
Having beautiful nurgle marines and shooty gunzerkers for khorne,

>>53230829
Regular ships of the line: probably not too much.
Transporters of most kinds would be able to hold 10s to 100s of thousands+

If the fleet captains/admirals were willing to dump ammunition etc then you'd be able to get substantially more.

I'd probably put the number at around 10,000 per capital ship, 500-1,000 per escort and 100,000 per transporter as a conservative estimate. Crusade fleets would likely have relatively large numbers of fighting ships relatively. So a fleet of 100 ships would probably be a split of about 20% escorts, 20% transporters and 60% capital ship. That puts you at about 2.5 million for what I guess would be a middling sized fleet.

Note that all the above is supposition though.

>>53229291
>>53229338
I will look into it, is there still space for another primarch and legion or are all legions already done?

>>53230925
Imperial fleets are known for having kilometers long ships. Could be a lot more. Maybe putting people on the hallways and such could help at carryuing refugees

>>53230977
We're looking for some traitors

>>53230977
>>53230986
There are gaps to fill. Loyalists are filled, but Traitors of both kinds are welcome

>>53231016
I think the Chosen of Hecate dude still needs to add his legion to the spreadsheet. I think he is considering making them traitor.

>>53230982
True, but IIRC the Lunar (about 6km long) cruiser has a crew population of ~60,000. Adding any significant number of people onboard would severely tax life support systems (logically at least). You'd also have to deal with massive drops in efficiency if they come under attack if you put people in all the corridors. The entire expedition fleet would basically have a huge target painted on it.

>>53231030
Let's hold back on adding people to the spreadsheet until their legions have a bit more fluff, and we're sure the person who suggest them is actually willing to contribute in the future.

>>53230925
Thanks, that's a great help

>>53231044
Chosen of Hecate guy here.
Definitely willing to flesh them out more with a bit of help. Been following your last few threads.
It's midnight here now though so really gotta get some sleep before work in the morning. Will keep on top of your threads and try and add more to them.
I can definitely make them nurgle traitors for you if you're keen.
Will try work more on the Primarchs back story over the day tomorrow.

I would like to submit my Legion for consideration.

Name: The Paladins of Midterra

Primarch: Amarthanar the Blind, The White Paladin, The Guardian of Midterra, The First Seer.

Legion/Primarch personality: A mash up of both the Knightly Code of Honor and the Paladin mythos. The Paladins are ultra-humanitarian. Here's a link to the original thread with all the information I've put together so far.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/325399-the-paladins-of-midterra-a-2nd-legion-wip/

Tactical Specialty: -Urban warfare, (with a focus on rapid insertion in order to minimize civilian casualties)
-Humanitarian relief and rescue
-Low visibility environments
-Hit and run attacks with fast attack units (to break enemy cohesion) followed by mobile infantry and armored units.

Thematic: Think Salamanders mixed with Dark Angels minus the secrecy.

Colors: Silver Armor with white trim and sky blue pauldrons. I don't know if it will let me post this photo so I'll just post a link instead.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/gallery/image/203126-v2-with-background/

Let me know what you guys think.

>>53231210
Personally, I'm not that interested. They're too similar to Imperium Asunder's Paladins of Kor.

>>53231143
I dunno about anyone else here, but I think you could turn them into something interesting.

>>53231038
If you are making a thunder run to a planet to collect refugees and back home, you are not spending more than a week in the warp. Life support systems could be overloaded a little bit, and running fast enough would remove some danger of being attacked. In desesperate times, desesperate measures.

>>53221631
The Leviathan Host are pretty much the Word Bearers of this mess aren't they?

>>53231341
I'll concede that point. The distance to be traveled is a large factor in determining how many people can be brought back. I just wouldn't expect there to be too much space on a warship to put people... Unless you start putting them in the guns themselves (I think it was mentioned that they shoot Land Raider sized shells somewhere).

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>>53216097
I'm thinking of making this a traitor legion, would they be better fit as chaos undivided or khorne? I also made an example picture.

>>53231419
Depends on what the Gunslingers anon wants to do.

For one, we need to make sure your American civil war legion doesn't clash with his cowboy legion in terms of 'Muricanness.

Second, we need a Khorne legion, but the Gunslinger sound like the better fit to me. So if the Gunslingers anon decides on making them Khornate, it might be better for the Earth Shakers to be Undivided.

Third, I refer you to questions I asked in this post >>53216378

>>53231473
Sorry, somehow missed that
>>53216378
In that case I think ill go slightly more iron warriors and iron hands approach, with emotionally stunted warriors and the approach to solving problems by throwing troops until either the wall falls or we run out of troops. Not much care about civilians so they really just shoot anything that isn't them. Big fans of charges and riding atop (and occasionally hanging off the side) of the larger vehicles like rhinos.

>>53229374
Okay, I'm gonna get it out of the way right away:
Eyeballs and eyehollows trigger me. No shit. That is my motivation to offer a gentle rewrite.

Ever notice how sunlight diffuses in the mist and irritates your eyes even more? Let your tribal people use blindfolds and other assorted blinding objects that deny them their eyesight. If the fog is so dense that sunlight doesn't come through, anyway, then it won't change anything and they're still running blind. Isekho is also trained with this blindfolding way. if necessary, have the chieftains' successors remove one eye as right of passage. The legion's captains would go on to copy this right of passage, removing an eyeball and replacing it with a cybernetically augmented visor. In situations of terrible visual circumstances, they don't even bother with their augment, shutting it off entirely, instead putting an eyepatch over their original eye and using their other particularly heightened senses to maneouver. This also makes them basically invulnerable to flash grenades.

This way, the legion isn't completely impaired in situations outside of smoke screened attacks and low-visual situations, but still maintains their distinct tradition and natural reason for their preferred combatstyle.

I really like the theme itself, though. You may even go for developments in the geneseed where the Larraman's ear has a tendency for being overtly sensitive and a Neuroglottis so delicate it allows to basically taste the air around them. I think that's pretty baller.

I really, really don't want to look at possible artwork full of empty eyesockets and removed eyeballs. If you unanimously vote for the legion that's okay, I'll have to manage, but I still ask for consideration.

>>53231419
>>53231473
I think Gunslingers are actually a lot more Night Lords than a full blown Khornate legion and the Earth Shakers would be a more suitable fit what with their indiscriminate bombarding and massive ordonance tactics.

>>53231385
Guns are exposed to the void. I would place them in other places. Hallways, magazines, anywhere where people could survive.

Well, I like the idea of making them Khornate. So Khorne Gunslingers is THE thing.

>>53231675
>>53231685
Maybe so, but I think Khornate Gunzekers is cooler than Khornate bombarders.

Also, like I've been meaning to bring up in relation to the Earth Shakers, the Titan Marchers already do the heavy ordnance schitck, they're the go to siege legion. I don't think we need a second one.

>>53231717
Ulysses here, phoneposting cause im a bit occupied away from my computer. Do we have a pyromaniac legion yet?

>>53231628
So you thinking I shouldn't remove their eyes? I thought it would be a cool weird tribal thing since their eyes are useless anyway.

Is your issue just based on not liking the look of empty eye sockets or am i being thick and missing what your saying? I like your idea about the geneseed ideas tho.

>>53231784
Not yet, could be an interesting route to take! Try to make sure you're not a carbon copy of the Hektor Heresy's Sons of Fire. They might be something interesting to look through.

>>53231898
Back at my computer, I was thinking something similar to if you gave a mad scientist with a hard one for gasoline space age technology. Not really angry, just loooove the joy of putting things ablaze and making ash angels. And since the gunslingers got khorne, undivided we stand.

>>53231784
We do in fact not, however the Hektor Heresy has a pyromaniac legion called the sons of fire, and their whole shtick is scorching the earth of their enemies. If you can find a creative spin we're not opposed, however I would suggest trying to find less niche combat specialties.

>>53231841
I try to condense my problem with eyeballs as shortly as possible: I have Tourette's syndrome, and certain sensory triggers cause me to spazz out in tics. Eyeballs and eyehollows cause me to clench my own eyes until they hurt and spit uncontrollably. The more I try to not think about it, the more I end up thinking about it and it sometimes ends with me not being able to fall asleep. I can reign myself in to a degree, though.
Point is it is very exhausting and it would greatly help me if we didn't have a legion whose theme is walking around with empty eyesockets and ritual removal of eyeballs. I'm trying to show some form of compromise by saying reduce the self-mutilation to people of authority and respect, in turn giving them at the very least a replacement augmentic.

About a tribe removing their eyes because they're useless: I believe a tribal culture set on survival isn't going to invest the effort to remove every single eyeball they encounter. A surgery of this calibre begs for infections if not treated properly, and it would be much simpler to wear blindfolds or simple keep their eyes closed, period.

Depending on how far you wanna take it, might even be the eyes of "Mist"'s inhabitants devolved shut or wholesale and there's no need for removal, at all.

The bottomline of the legion is basically being less reliant on visual and more dependent on other sensory inputs. This doesn't necessarily warrant surgery, in my opinion.

>>53232066
I'm trying not to, but to be honest it seems we got most everything else filled up. I'm thinking I'll flesh 'em out more like mad max raiders and orks, using scrap and leftovers to make what can just be described as functional tools. Maybe have a mutation that sends them into a frenzy when they see enemies lit on fire or something. Work in small groups of 3-5, every two groups have a tech marine designated to bring scraps to in order to make more things.

>>53232066
Okay man, I will see what others say about it. I was trying to make something a bit different from your ordinary marine but making them different physically, and to me the idea of marines being blind, what ever the reason is, was a cool and original idea for 30k/40k. But if everyone doesn't like it i can change it.

If it is just the idea of looking at empty eyes is that bad for you and others, I can make it so the marines war some kind of masks similar to the miraluka from star wars or once the legion became a thing they all used cybernetic eyes.

Let me know what you guys think and I will change it accordingly.

>>53232191
I can only speak for myself, I actually doubt others would take as much offense as I do.

Thank you very much for your consideration.

>>53232191
I think its a rad idea, but I do agree with elephant that getting rid of your eyes is a bit unnecessary.

>>53232308
No worries man, i don't mean to cause offence.

>>53232308
>>53232317
Would you prefer them being blind due to some kind of gene seed defect instead?

>>53232358
That's probably the best option.

>>53232358
Sounds good to me.

>>53232439
>>53232410
Alright so the primarch was born blind which also meant that the gene seed for the legion means that they are also blind.
They still have the heightened reflexes even for a space marine as well as a super sensitive neuroglottis which allow them to taste the air similar to snakes. Does that sound alright with everyone. Still gives them unique feel while not being to over the top?

>>53232496
I like 'em! Pick a legion number.

>>53232512
Added them as legion 10

A few bullet points on Valorn
>not a big fan of melee combat, generally fought at range with a stalker pattern bolter
>When he had to fight in close range he used a set of knives (that probably would have been full sized swords for a normal human)
>often stated that "Sometimes it matters less how hard you hit someone and more how fast and where you hit them" which was a philosophy he took not only to one on one combat but to full scale war as well.
>had short cropped black hair and green eyes, along with a scar traveling from the right most corner of his mouth to his jawline.
>taller than the average primach, but slimmer too.
>was a the origin of the Pale Hounds' perfectionist and independent streaks which he introduced to the legion after they were united.
>The stubbornness is all their own though.
>Was the third last primarch to be found.
>made his adoptive brother Sharrath a space marine after he was given his legion, but Sharrath was one of the first marines to develop an overactive betcher gland and so the mutation is often called "Sharrath's Curse"
>Sharrath was also the leader of those Hounds that joined Chaos, so Valorn feels guilty about both his brothers condition and the atrocities committed by the heretical Hounds.

>>53231246
I'm not seeing this individual. Is he a part of this project?

>>53233841
Imperium Asunder is the name of a different fan project entirely as opposed to someone who is in this project

Why is it a problem if there is a similar legion in another fan project? They are similar, not the same. Even so: Different Universe, different outcoming.
I am aure that somewhere every legionidea has been already depicted in a fanproject.

>>53233841
>>53233883
Exactly. IA is a seperate AU, but plenty of people involved with that one are also involed with W3, including myself. We're not just trying to make an AU that is different from the main 40k universe, but one that is also different from the other two 'new Primarch' AU's, namely the Hektor Heresy (HH) and Imperium Asunder (IA).

So are all the chaos gods the same as normal canon, and is malal canon or not?

I can understand your reasoning, and don't know the other legion. But the stuff blind primarch has following the links is some nice stuff. Maybe he can fall to chaos to give them another drive to differentiate his legiom from the legion of kor.
Blind Slaaneeshfollowers....kinda cool.

>>53234140
Personally, I'm not particularly interested in seeing a humanitarian, friendly Paladin legion. There's only so much you can do with it and the legion tended to get kind of shit on.

As for the Smoke Stalkers going Slaanesh, that was my original thought with them. They can't see, but they experience everything else much more vividly!

Yeah, nice legions tend to have a problem if not executed right. But that counts for everyone.

But yeah, gunzerkers, blind slaaneshi (or deaf marines would be cool as well), beautiful nurglings. What of tzeentch? No schemes, only the truth and malal feeds chaos in order to overcome it?

>>53234193
>>53234140
What would be the motive behind them going to chaos? I was personally writing them to go more separatist due to disagreeing with the more "dictatorship" style leadership of the Imperium.

>>53234550
If you wanted to go traitor, you could do it cause you feel too weak and turned to it in an attempt to fix yourselves.

>>53234621
I kinda wanted to make seps, but if it needs to be done I could try to write something to make him fall to chaos.

>>53234650
I think they can really work as either and its up to you. Have enough flavor to them to keep them original either way.

>>53234123
We decided to keep the Big Four (Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, Slaanesh) and add various additional named Warpgods to work as direct patrons of legions.

As such, we have Hashut for the Forge Lords, the Horned God (No idea to whom he belongs), Tiamat (ditto) and a fourth god which eludes me.

>>53234722
What is Tiamats deal? Im lookin to find something I can do other then undivided.

It's true, the nice guy gets shit on, in a universe of grim dark it's bound to happen. That being said, from what I've seen in this group it's an element that is lacking. Basically said, a AU full of dicks is just about as interesting as an AU full of goody-to-shoes. You need both elements in order to develop a compelling story.
The Paladins could serve multiple purposes. They could be martyrs, standing to the last in order to protect what they believe in.
They could be rebels, turning their backs on an Imperium that has shown that it doesn't share the values that they hold in highest regards.
They could be tragically misled, tricked into serving Chaos by using their compassion against them.
They could be hopeless mediators, struggling against impossible odds to mend the growing divisions between the separate factions.
The point is that my Legion can only be a benefit to this project.

I would point out a couple tidbits about my Primarch and the Paladins.
-Amarthanar is not blind via loss of sight, he doesn't have eyes. There's just smooth skin where his eyes should be. He wears a blindfold in consideration of the discomfort such an appearance might cause others.
-His legion however does not exhibit this trait.
-Amarthanar is able to "see" the "light' of living beings. Like Magnus, he is a master of the Warp. He is based on the High Priestess of the Tarot. He makes instinctual use of divination to his advantage.
-His legion benefits from this gift of spectral sight. That's what makes them such good city fighters. They can't be ambushed.

>>53234771
Are we actually having two blind primarchs now?

>>53234771
Maybe. Other then the blindfold and blind thing, it seems okay. Just not really fitting in a world with blood mad cowboys and (unconfirmed) pyromaniac cowboys, and another legion with a blind theme.

>>53234844
Not pyromaniac cowboys, confederates.

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>>53234873
DAMN DIRTY REBS

>>53234986
Better then being called traitors.

>>53234873
Requesting the Seperatists take xenos slaves

>>53235074
Oh the confederates are chaos worshipers. Too many seperatists, and we get to be the same side as cowboys. Thinkin the unkown chaos god is gonna be uncle sam. That and we get to be unchecked mad max level maniacs.

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>>53235067
Seps get the bullet too.

>>53234758
I don't actually remember. The old threads had a rough concept at some point but they were refused IIRC because they weren't really working.

Do I have the okay to put earth shakers in the google doc, or do they still need some revising?

Have we decided on what kinda split we are having in regards to loyalist, seps and chaos?

>>53235223
Not to sure but I believe seperatist are against the emperor but still against chaos and maybe xenos.

>>53235241
Well i think it is meant to be a 3 way war. I think one anon, maybe Elephantfag had a really cool story idea that had a 3 way war in it.

>>53235223
I think we're looking for an equal split. Probably 7-7-7 as we have 19(?) legions now.

>>53235162
On the whole extra gods thing. Could we not twist the whole seven sins into it as part of the theme? That way we'd only need 3 concepts and we'd have some focus as to how we develop the new ones.

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>>53235260
it was this one

>>53235223
>>53235241
Officially, we aim for an even split of either 6-6-6 or 7-7-7

One anon chimed in in the last thread and said we shouldn't focus on a definitive number because that would eventually stump the progress.

As with my last write up >>53222081, >>53222097, >>53222119, the Separatists would be required to be at least have to be one legion stronger than the loyalists.

We're pretty much on the fence here because it boils down to preference and apart from Doctor RaJob and me, there's no strong oppinion on either or.

>>53235310
>>53235297
Ye that was it, I thought it was pretty good.

7sins sounds great.

>>53235310
>One anon chimed in in the last thread and said we shouldn't focus on a definitive number because that would eventually stump the progress.
Also, if a Legion hasn't been touched in months, fucking cut that shit.

And you don't need an even split.

>>53235324
Just some friendly advice: might be ideal if you could actually reply to exact posts

>>53235346
I think he was just saying as a general reply to the current focus.

mind if i join in with a traitor legion?

>Name
The Wild Hunt
>Primarch
Vold the Lord of the hunt
>Legion/Primarch personality
Vold is described as compulsive, driven and stubborn at best, though most would say he is uncaring, reckless and Savage. Vold believes in the old traditions of his home world, that a hunt must be made as sacrifice for the spirit god. But not any prey is worthy Vold’s attention, it must catch his interest, prove itself worthy of his expertise. Many of his legionaries follow this mindset, that the enemy must be worthy to kill. This made The Wild Hunt very unsupportive, to the point where they would leave whole battlefields to be lost because of the lack for worthy prey. The Wild Hunt is seen as both a curse and a blessing. They could leave at any moment and their presence could mean both the victory or defeat of a conflict.
>Tactical Speciality
Surgical strikes, killing of commanders and leaders, tracking down enemies. They use a elite type of seekers they simply called ‘’stalkers’’ tasked with the locating and eliminating of prey. A large use of recon and outrider units to follow prey.
>Thematic
Old European mythology, scandinavian and germanic folklore
>Colours
A light grey primary and a Bronze secondary, usually with yellow markings of once hunted prey or text in their native tongue

Yeah. It was just meant as a general support for 7sins.

Who is/are the leads on this project?

>>53235200
So im still not sure if I should keep working on them or not.

>>53235458
Lumey

>>53235458
Doctor RaJobs started this all off. So he's the lead. But Elephantfag and Silverish guy are both quite active and offer constructive criticisms on ideas

>>53235602
Heheh.

>>53235692
Hehehe.

>>53235744
Hehehehe.

Should we make a discord for this? I feel like it may help somewhat.

>>53235692
>>53235744
>>53235781
Fucking nerds I swear

>>53229088
By the way: which Ideas did you have in a gunslinging primarch?

Maybe I can add them and flesh them out.

>>53235640
Eh, no I didn't…

>>53236104
Could be either way, really.

A no-nonsense authoritarian figure who kicks everyone's face onto the curb who speaks out of turn.

A levelheaded cool smug bastard with his head pulled down into his face at any given time.

A combo of McCree and Reaper.

I'd be posting more but it's mother's day weekend and I'm really busy and it's hard to find time to mobilepost. Does anyone have any advice or questions about the Forge Lords?

>>53236342
>A combo of McCree and Reaper.
>Overwatch shit

Oh please, no. Leave the memes where they lie.