>>52957277
A conquest-happy king, with a close cadre of his most trusted advisors. Essentially the reverse-Immortan Joe.

He wants to conquer all his neighbors, and crush any resistance, and will fucking slaughter raider factions without mercy, but he does it because he wants to make a new society better than the ones that lead to the world's destruction.

Kinda like the Emperor of Mankind, except he actually practices what he teaches. IE: no slavery, no murder of civilians, no torture. Just excessive amounts of propaganda and patriotism so that the citizenry just wants to go out there and conquer and liberate everything.

>>52957277

Are you asking me what I would attempt to establish under ideal circumstances following the fall of the government given the opportunity?

>>52957277

Matriarchial empire of slavery and rape

>>52957447

Thank you anon.

>>52957460

Hmm, I suppose so.

>>52957467

Femdom much?

>>52957277

An illuminated aristocracy, with a side of meritocracy, not based on market's values (tough I guess there' nothing wrong trying to get rich), and generally if not social mobility at least the possibility to become what now would be upper-middle class.
Not really post-apo, right?

For you: some kind of illuminated technocracy. Science IS good, government is rational (but yeah, core values are pretty strong, they don't think art is bad, etc.), all this. For something unexpected, they might see rituals as something useful and perfectly fit for human sociology purposes.

>>52957277
Btw OP you are fucking optimistic if you think /pol/lacks aren't gonna make their own bait.

If your fortunate, the fact that these are all post-apoc societies means you can subconsciously label some of them as "villain" factions without having to turn it into an argument.

>>52957488

Right well then I shall attempt to answer your question.

In the event of an apocalyptic scenario I would attempt to gather together my friend and their extended families. I have a secured location prepared in the mountains (i'm not even kidding about this) and I would offer them shelter if they brought along food weapons or expertise. My friends are for the most part an eclectic bunch of gun nuts and hobby survivalists. Rather than attempt to assert dominance I would work towards a ruling council where each family was represented by a single individual with the head of the council being elected by the other councilors. A loose congregation of families working together which I could ultimately see evolving into something almost like a collection of inter related clans or tribes as each family grows larger over time.

I would propose issolationism as much as possible, however the possiblity that the mountain would not be able to entirely support our population as it got larger exists, so eventually they may turn to raiding.

Honestly I just want me and my family to be safe, and I don't want some jackass giving me orders. A collective of friends and family held together by kinship and basic democratic process would be ideal in my opinion, though it would never be a powerhouse.

>>52957503

Thank you anon, your concept somewhat reminds me of the scientists and fake AI in The Postman.

>>52957564

To be fair, almost anything can be twisted or changed to fit a good or evil role in a setting, but that doesn't add much depth.

>>52957619

Thank you for your detailed post anon.

If I had my own little society I was the leader of, It'd end up a pretty hippie "free love" kind of place, but the highest social status, in order, would go to doctors, engineers, and farmers/chefs. Slavery would be considered the worst of all crimes and any military power we had would be focused on rooting it out of the outside world.

>>52957619

for the record I have thirty plus cousins, then there are my brothers, their wives, their cousins, the cousins families, and cousins who have adult children, and of course my in laws. Altogether my extended family that is within reach is probably easily over a hundred people. Most of my friends families are about the same. Hell one of my good friends has 7 siblings and half of them are married. If we could pull them all together we'd be a pretty big damn group of people. realistically we wouldn't get them all, but you said ideal soooo yeah.

>>52957277

a Democratic Socialist Kritarchy.

>>52957676
do you live in or have family roots to Appalachia?
that's the only place where people I know of with families that big come from.

>>52957673

Interesting, thank you anon.

>>52957676

That's quite a lot, where I live almost everyone is related to everyone, or their family hasn't been here for more than a generation.

>>52957703

A Democratic Socialist Kritarchy? Neat, thank you anon.

For a post-apocalypse?
A society that inspires creativity and construction, doing the best they can to make cities of beauty and self-sufficiency.

>>52957724

I'm a redneck mate. Now i'm not uneducated mind you, I went to uni on scholarship (first man in my family to got to college actually. My brother's are dumb asses), but I am a gun toting bible thumping redneck and I am not ashamed of it.

>>52957447
That only sounds great if you're one of the people on his side. If you're the country being invaded, well...
Also, he may be great at conquering, but that's saying nothing about how he'd actually be as a leader in peacetime.

>>52957738

Family reunions are hell. I swear I don't even recognize half of the people there.

>>52957277
Epicurean commune. That or stoic commune.

>>52957818
Basically I just want Ataraxia.

>>52957277
Options are pretty simple.

Scientist faction, separate form others for no good reason.

Raider faction (lol, bodies everywhere?)

Previous Government faction

Competing Previous Government faction

Expanding Empire, good or bad, based on a historical system like Rome or America-In-The-Bad-Ways

Good Guy Faction that is America-in-the-good-ways

Endless "societies" originally made from family groups with hangers-on, some form of monarchy in name only or sorta-democratic councils.

Might be something I've missed but most things have a version here.

>>52957778
hey, i never said there was anything wrong with it, just asking for reference.

i ask because my uncle is from Virginia- one of nine kids. for my cousin's wedding, there were well over 50 family members from his side. from my aunt's side, just the four of us. it was...startling, to say the least.

I nearly got kicked out of the reception for laughing when someone said "thank god there wasn't any rain"

>>52957798
I could go more into detail on it, but I decided to leave the faults more open because that makes for a more interesting post-apoc faction. Since we're talking realism-inspired fiction and not actual political ideologies.

what is the central conflict, why are the factions not at war, and what are the interests of each faction

>>52957841

Oddly enough while my fathers side of things comes from virginia me mum is from a different part of the country where you actually see comparable numbers as far as families go. Probably couldn't get to moms family, but in the event of an apocalyptic situation I wouldn't worry about them. People around where they live would pull together.

>>52957742

Aesthetic city-builders? Fascinating. Thank you anon.

>>52957778
>>52957799
>>52957841
>>52957881

I can relate.

>>52957818
>>52957834

Epicurean/Stoic communes? That's surprisingly intriguing. Thank you anon, if you don't mind explaining, what is Ataraxia?

>>52957839

Thank you for your input anon.

>>52957855

I'm still developing the setting. It's somewhat vague, but the idea is that it takes place a few decades/centuries after a solar flare and a weaponized smallpox epidemic bring mankind back to dark ages, with bits and pieces of modern technology.

So where would this be set in? I mean some things make sense for some places more than others. Your not going to get a collection of red neck tribes living in the mountains and descending to raid for supplies in a place without either mountains or rednecks.

>>52957929
there are Swamp rednecks too.

they're called Cajuns.

>>52957277
Remake the confederate states of america. Stone Fist Johnson, General Glee, Jeffigton David, etc.

>>52957951

Yeah I know, I've gotten into some great fist fights with a few while drunk, I'm just saying location matters. I mean yeah there are Cajuns, but what if he set this in Cali or something? Do they have rednecks in Cali?

>>52957881
o.O
please, enlighten me. we don't have massive families out here. the largest I know of here is a family of seven.

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>>52957277
>semi-realistic post-apocalyptic setting
How about a militaristic defensive militia, formed from the remnants of the citizen militias and preppers that survived the apocalypse? Basically /k/ incarnate, they are highly distrustful of others, but if you're one of them they'll fight and die alongside you no matter the circumstance.

Despite their militarism they aren't particularly authoritarian, mostly using hierarchy based on age and military experience. They tend to live up in the mountains and forest hills, but if they see a strategic target such as a bridge they'll seize it and enact a toll on travelers and merchants. They're very well fortified in their mountain fortresses, but also isolationist with few allies to turn to, and viewed mostly as a roadblock to expansion by the other factions.

>>52957989

You ever heard of Utah? Families with twelve who adopt more are not unheard of, I kid you not. Dated a girl from there once who was second oldest of eight. Mormons fuck like rabbits.

>>52957979
SURE DO. they're just not as widely well known.

mostly, they live in the central valley or north of Sacramento. met a family of them recently transplanted from Mississippi to east of San Diego as well. the further inland from the coast, the more likely you'll run into them.

>>52958041

Huh, I guess we're everywhere.

>>52958031
ahhh, I always forget the Mormons.
always wanted to go to Salt Lake City, but I've been told by friends that the people are straight up Children of the Corn.

>>52958057
yep, but ya'll seem to avoid big cities for the most part for some reason.

Speaking of Utah that is another possibility for a faction for you OP, the descendants of a religious group who pulled together in the face of the apocalypse. Have it as some sort of Theocracy.

>>52957277
playful femdom matriachy with sense of humor.
sex all day ev'ry day.

>>52958085

I've family over there, and I've been for cousins weddings and stuff like that. They're just people. Hell my uncles are mormon and so are their kids and there is nothing odd about them. I mean they don't drink and they're a bit uptight about some things, but they're just people. Nice people even for the most part in my experience. People give em a bad rep, but people say a lot of shit about rednecks too, and there's nothing wrong with us. Every bodies just people, and ignorant cunts (no offense to you mate, I trust your not like that) talk shit about people who are different than them for no real reason.

>>52957929

As cliche as it is, I was considering having the primary setting in the North American continent, with some action in other continents.

>>52957971

Hail Dixie! Thank you anon.

>>52958030

I'd had something like that in mind, but your idea is better. Thank you anon.

>>52958097

Deseret 2.0? Nice. Thank you anon.

>>52958149
>no offense
none taken

>>52958139
its only rape cause you keep saying no!

>>52958151

Honestly I think Deseret 2.0 would be a pretty damn likely occurrence in the event of an apocalypse. I've seen my uncles food storage (that's a thing for Mormons apparently) and he has shelves and shelves of preserved food and big old 50 gallon drums of water squirreled away in his basement. It's like they're all survival nuts. I think they'd do pretty well.

>>52958149
there are some shitty mormons too though, anon.

>>52957277
Any more context you can give? What kind of apocalypse, and how long after are you thinking? There's a big difference between fifty years after a nuclear apocalypse and three hundred years after the death of the Sun, for example.

Restorationists
Nu-Earthers that eschew technology
Biker go gang raiders
Chivalrists - medieval recreationists
Amazon tribes who are angry at the men who destroyed the world.
The citizens of Topeka who live in an underground vault'
Nomads modelling their lifestyle around poorly understood data about American Indians.

>>52958170
I only say no because it makes it more exciting

>>52957277
A caste system city-state where the citizens lack reproductive rights, and periodically the government assign them a partner based on factors such as health, intelligence and temperament. Other than that, they can live their sexual and romantic lives with a surprising degree of freedom: as long as they take contraceptive pills/herbs/have sex while already pregnant they are free to choose whatever companions they want.

Kids are taken from their parents at a very young age and are educated collectively by the teachers-leaders caste. At puberty, they must undergo a rite of passage that determines to which caste they'll be assigned. If someone feels they have been assigend to the wrong caste, they can choose to re-take the test every ten years.

>>52958189
Anything historic that once used horses is a good option.

Either because gas in scarce now, so you can keep the horses. And a lot of old professions that needed steeds are now back in demand (knights for defence, cowboys for livestock protection/law enforcement)

And then going off that, any profession that used horses can now be updated to use motorcycles and buggies, thereby making it even more fucking awesome.

>>52958185

I'm sure there are, but there are some pretty shitty rednecks too, and there are shitty city folk, and there are shitty atheists. And there are good people in all those groups too. Honestly there are good people and shitty people in every group. There aren't many groups I'd believe are nothing but shitty people. Peoples people, and you get all kinds. I know there are shitty mormons, I ain't saying their perfect, I'm just saying in my experience they aren't as bad as some people make em out to be. certainly not children of the corn level.

>>52958189

I'm picturing the tribe of tumblr and laughing at the image of impotence.

>>52957910
Ataraxia literally translates as "not perturbed". It's a central concept in Epicureanism and a secondary one in Stoicism. It has different paths to achieving it across Greaco-Roman philosophy, but essentially it's a kind of detachment to achieve true happiness. By not being concerned with physical passions, metaphysical questions, or vexatious people, one finds peace.

Epicureans largely tried to do this by living in small communes with their close friends and lived subsistence/lightly mercantile lives. Just good but not decadent food, friendly company, and no social worries. It's what I would hope to achieve in the post apocalypse because I no longer have social expectations or structures to make it irritating.

You could spin some Buddhist themes in or make them have a slightly martial bent to make them survivable.

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>>52957277
Everyone else is dead and the only one left standing is me

>>52958139
>>52958170
>>52958205

Acknowledged, thank you for bumping the thread anons.

>>52958184

They also have one of the highest firearm ownership rates per capita of any religious group.

>>52958187

I'm still developing the setting. It's somewhat vague, but the idea is that it takes place a few decades/centuries after a solar flare and a weaponized smallpox epidemic bring mankind back to dark ages, with bits and pieces of modern technology.

>>52958189

Thank you for the inspiration anon.

>>52958226

Feudal eugenics? An interesting concept, thank you anon.

>>52958273

A fascinating concept, it would go hand-in-hand with the Buddhist concept of Nirvana.

>>52958390

Original, that's for sure. Thank you anon.

>>52957277
Let's assume right off the bat that I can actually set up this society.

Simply put, it would be almost completely underground. Hydroponics would be used to create the main source of food, and it would be used in abundance. The society would be built as two inverse underground pyramids, with one being having hydroponics on the upper layers and living spaces in the bottom, and the other being the opposite. It would be set up so that there should, barring war, always be enough food to feed everyone up to full strength for three months with only reserve stock. Any passageways outside of the main two bunkers would be at least a mile away, with twists and turns to provide checkpoints in case of invasion, making war with them hard, although if you found their location from above-ground, digging into it and invading there would basically ruin them.

Just enough understanding of electricity to keep the Hydroponics running and light up the place for 8 hours every day. Any entertainment is brought back by scavengers or whatever was left over from before the apocalypse. The government would be a democratic dictatorship, aka everyone decides on things via direct voting, but if it the society is ever starting to fuck up or they go to war, a dictator is voted into power for the duration of the crisis, with a hard limit of two years before reverting to democracy with no chance of overturning.

Basically "Survivalist Ancient Rome, but underground."

>>52958407
It does go togethe with Nirvana, but it's less about nothing and more about absolute minimalism.

>>52957277
A militaristic republic/monarchy.
From a young age the citizens are exposed to military life, with all adults being in the reserves/national guard. Secondary school and up are all military schools and all government jobs are also military. There is no benefit or welfare because everybody is in the reserves.

>>52957277

You could have a beautiful socialist paradise like whfb brettonia

An anarchic post-scarcity society.

I don't know how it gets better than that, honestly.

>>52957277
Is it bad that I have no clue what my ideal society would be?
I mean, I know the sort of changes I'd make if I were in high office, but I honestly can't think of what systems I'd lay down if I was in a Lycurgus/Solon position.

I guess the early Roman republic was pretty cool. Everyone working for the good of the whole and all that. The only thing is such a society is only sustainable if there's an existential threat.
The late republic is cool too, but less to live in, more to read about

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>>52957277
Eco-anarchism where everyone is armed and trained, close knit community more akin to a big ole family, the surrounding lands belong to everyone in our faction, justice is meted out by wandering judges who nominate random townsfolk as prosecutor and jury and the accused picks his own advocate (can self represent), and any authoritarian hierarchy is ruthlessly persecuted.

>The settings equivalent of Playboy Mansion survives the apocalypse mostly unharmed, the *bunnies* and manor attendants headed into the radiation proof manor as they look to the companies founder for advice and guidance

>Over the years following the founders death they begin to immortalize him, the rabbit ear taking on a new connotation due to the fact that nobody in the following generations would know what a Rabbit even is.

>They would form a tight nit, religious society where the symbols laid around the mansion of woman and rabbits are said to be shrines built for the Fertility god - the original company founder. The entire manor is rethought to be a giant temple for the man. Rabbit-Helmed Praetorians guarding temple as they let pilgrims come to and offer respects in exchange for a small tithe

>>52958553
Sounds like you're an idealist who needs a purpose, anon!

How'd you like to liberate your fellow man, and maybe get first-term dibs on a governor position on conquered land? >>52957447

>>52958722
That sounds pretty sweet Anon McWarlord.
Are we going full Roman republic or am I actually going to be paid? It'd help, seeing as I wouldn't have to embezzle to, yanno, afford food.

>>52957467
B-b-but we already live in that Anon!

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>>52958785
You get full benefits and if you distinguish yourself you can rule a plot of land for an extended term so we can keep the area stable long enough to establish a more democratic government.

Also any loot that can't be scrapped for more infrastructure or belongs to future-citizens.

>>52958553
I think that's probably a good thing, really?

I mean, we don't, collectively, know all that much about designing institutions. We do know that some of the ones we've got now are the best we've had-- the "western liberal democracies." But it's very hard to say where we should go from here. Small steps, small experiments in policy, are probably safer than large ones.

So... the idea that you can specify some kind of perfect end state seems silly. It feels like an act of hubris to hold any particular scheme of social organization to be "ideal," although, as I said before, we have come up with some ideas that appear to be pretty good.

>>52957277
Probably something sorta like the Hanseatic league.

Everything is done democratically on the local level. The guys with money rule, but they've got to buy the votes, and they can't skimp, or the competition will out bid them.

The church has a big role too, but it's less golden candelabras and more social safety net.

>>52957676
Same with my extended family. Probably retreat to the wilderness of Wisconsin. After dragging some close friends along.

>>52958189
>Biker go gang raiders
>Chivalrists - medieval recreationists
These overlap quite a bit to be honest.
I wouldn't be surprised to see motorcycle gangs and chapters developing into feudal style kings and warlords.

>>52958997

That was actually the plot of a really shitty book. Technology stopped working and a medieval recreationist established a fuedal kingdom by recruiting gangs to be his knights and making the gang leaders his nobles.

>>52958273
I think a philosopher faction is always fun. I've been thinking about a "Brotherhood of Dogs" diogenes-esque league of assassins for a minor faction in a fantasy setting.

>>52958855
I agree. Personally I find law in general to be a necessary evil in the face of greater issues like inequality and instability.

I think a good system then would be one that's most open to other systems. A skeleton of federalism, where laws are most specific on the local level and catered to those who have to vote on and live under them, would probably be a good starting point.

Where you go from there is up in the air, in terms of moral priorities. Any society needs SOME kind of collective moral value, however loose, otherwise nobody cares to support the society. I know "knowledge" would definitely have to be a good focus for any society that wants to progress. A healthy respect for art and literature would also be good, since it helps to define a national identity and allow a steam-vent for political criticism.

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>>52959037

Is this the book? The Portland Protection Association was the best faction by far.

Maybe take some of the factions we've gotten so far and flesh them out a bit? Figure out how big they are, and where they are located, and then look at any area we don't have an explanation for and start brainstorming about it?

>>52959086

That was the book, and I agree it probably was. Fuck the mics (and I say that as an Irishman, but fuck them that cunt trampled all over my heritage.) and fuck the bear fuckers as well.

>>52959037
It makes sense. They've already got a pretty strict internal code of ethics. And despite the stereotypes, they're smart enough to stay ahead of the law.

All it takes it's one group to start demanding tribute for not killing people to have the basics of a feudal system established.

>>52957277
>what is your ideal society

A country full of brainwashed masses who live their lives normally, but can not argue with me. What I say goes 100% of the time. The people are more or less free accept for their inability to disagree with me or disobey me. Have the brainwashing be engineered in such a way that performing tasks I set actually has a euphoric effect on them.

>>52959139

honestly that was the only group in the book that made sense in my opinion. Them I could understand the other two were just kinda "well hey wouldja look at that we've gone from a handful of people to a fucking civilization in a time skip."

>>52959116
What factions are you looking to have fleshed out? If make a list of what makes the cut first.

>>52958881
I really like this idea. If the corruption and vote buying is out in the open it's not really corruption.

>In the face of the growing Apilachian threat I will generously fund raising of the city wall one whole foot!
>I will raise the city wall two feet, and buy the city guard the two dozen crossbows they assured for!
>(Sweating profusely while counting campaign finances) I will personally fund the raising of two full squads of Free Lances and raise the cities walls two and three quarter feet!

>>52959259

Hell those are just campaign promises, it's not really that different from promising heath care or to reduce taxes.

So we have Appalacian/Cajun clans/tribes.

A Rome Analog

The theocratic state of Deseret.

A fascist regime lead by a warrior king

A bunch of small conclaves of various scientists and philosophers.

and a few cults of degenerates

That about right?

>>52959183
Speaking of making sense, I always wonder what happens to the Amish during the apocalypse.

Maybe some sort of loose alliance of vaguely theocratic states. They've certainly got the knowledge to survive, I guess there's a question of whether they're willing to commit violence to keep what they have.

If not maybe they get taken over by some more militant faction.

>>52959291
Yeah. But at the local level you've got to make good on your promises or at least appear to make the effort, or no one votes you in next time.

>>52959701

Can't say, don't know enough about the Amish. They probably wind up as some gangers peasants.

>>52959746
Or they turn into Fallout Hobbiton. Everyone thinks they're easy pickings because they're agrarian and down to earth, but any time some raider tries to invade they go all Amish Mafia up in this bitch.

>>52959817

Thing is that they have religious objections to tech right? That would include modern fire arms. Now in the long run things would equal out, but in the initial years of the appocalypse while people still had guns they would be unable to defend themselves. They would either be conquered or make a deal with someone to protect them in exchange for providing for them.

At least that is the way I see it.

>>52959848
Amish actually do own guns.

>>52959291
Except that unlike in our present system, if you don't fulfill your promises, the Apilachians will successfully invade and as an enemy leader, you know their policy for dealing with you...

>>52959913

Really? I thought anything made after like 1800 or something was a no no for them? >>52959969

>>52959994
Try looking up Amish Mafia sometime.

Social darwinist eugenic state. It is virtuous to suffer for the sakentire of future generations.

>>52960024
A society grows great when, trees, etc.

>>52960019

Isn't that a fake-umentery on the discovery channel?

>>52959969
Exactly. You can't always trust people to do the right thing, but you can trust them to act in self interest.

>>52959913
I was under the impression that was mostly for hunting and they have actual religious objections to violence. Although I might be getting Mennonites and Quakers confused in there.

>>52959969

stripped naked and dragged back to camp behind a donkey to work in the mines?

>>52957277
A place where I can meet people I don't like halfway by stabbing them to death.

>>52957277
I'd settle for one where people weren't complete dick's to each other all the time.

>>52957277
rip off alpha centauri, it's got them all

from religious zealots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9OdR6hgEU
to space china
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_hrYz_2uAk

>>52960426

He said semi-realistic anon.

>>52960585
Lol'd

I swear this isn't /pol/ but assuming this happened in north america what happens to the Mexicans and the African Americans? The mexicans at least I can see as forming some of their own factions, and I think the African Americans would as well, so what would they be?

>>52958184
I'm a man interested in having a large family. (4+ kids if God willing). What's the chances of me getting involved with a good mormon girl?

>>52961837

Depends. I'm willing to bet there are Mormons who live in your area, and you typically have better odds outside of Utah since there are fewer Mormons for the ladies to choose from so they end up dating guys who aren't members of their religion. There isn't anything that specifically prohibits them from marrying outside the religion, but because an important tenant of the faith is marriage inside one of their temples which requires both parties be faithful members it can be difficult to convince them. It really depends on the girl and how devout she is and your own position. Obviously your age and your own circumstances will affect all of this. Frankly it's not an easy fix, and if you wanted to marry one you'd have to be willing to put up with their religious beliefs and the fact that they would probably try to convert you.

Former workers banding together to form a micro-commune that is extremely militaristic and is waging a "People's War" against the other local powers.

A group of military deserters who have established a military feudal system (Instead of Barons/Lords/Whatever you have Lieutenants, Majors, whatever) in the ruins of a city.

An oil empire that controls several old fuel reserves that didn't fall with the rest of society. They also produce alcohol fuel, and offer engine conversions for such. Managed to survive and claim neutrality due to being able to power their IFVs/Armour/Etc

bioshock style anything, no limit on artistic license and no morals stopping science except without the whole thing going down the shitter thing

>>52962124
also flesh crafting, throw in flesh crafting.

>>52957277
Preppers - forest people with excellent. Equipment and training.

Liebarians - a small group descended from librarians that survived in a book vault. Possess books and thus knowledge from the old world. Has a horse of fanatic followers/

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>>52958408
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/47771943/

>>52957277
My greatest dream is a world without Jews.

a band where the leader is elected by some really stupid game. Like bowling.

>>52957277
My ideal society is an authoritarian regime where all executive powers were given to poweful AIs who have the strict task to uphold and preserve humanity.
They would make sure that intense automatization allows for a vast access to resources so everybody has enough to eat and can decide to work or not for society.
Wars are mainly led by AIs and robots, so that humand losses are reduced.
Of course it would be more post post apocalyptic, after the AIs decided to wipe old humanity out to create a new breed more intelligent and inclined to internal peace

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>>52957277
>What is your ideal society?
Short story: Franco-Roman Republicanism.

Long story: a republic where equality exists before the law, not in outcome. It would be a republic with an independent legislative (unicameral), judiciary (various courts) and executive power (in the form of the consul and his handpicked advisors). These consuls would be incredibly powerful, limited only by the two other branches, but in turn would only be allowed to serve for one year. I would also imagine that they'd be prepared for the role through some modernized form of the cursus honorium. For the sake of creating authority, the office of consul would have a lot of pomp and circumstance around it, to the point where it would appear like royalty to an outside observer.

In a republic which values equality this highly there would be no nobility of birth, at least not formally (families with old money would remain powerful throughout the generations and there may even be family names with a certain reputation attached to it, but these aren't acknowledged by law). Suffrage would be regulated in a Rousseauvian way, which I will for now dub conditional universal suffrage. All ablebodied men who are sound of mind are forced to serve in the military for a certain term (I imagine 2 years after graduating high school, so they can serve and from there move on to university, perhaps picking up useful skills and knowledge along the way. Or they could remain in the military as professionals and grow through the ranks). These men would only be granted the right to vote and be elected after having completed their conscription (or exceptional circumstances like suffering a crippling wound during conscription). For women it's the same story, with one exception: everything is optional. This means a woman can choose to not be conscripted (as opposed to men), but this will also mean that she will never have either active or passive suffrage: he will be a passive citizen.
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>>52963981


Speaking of citizenship, it would be split between active (full suffrage) and passive (no suffrage) citizenship. Suffrage is discussed above, but (passive) citizenship would be hereditary: the legitimate(!) children of at least one parent with citizenship would automatically become passive citizens. Of course the conscripted would not be allowed to marry, and any bastards produced by serving conscripts would be deemed non-citizens. Same for first generation immigrants: they can become nationals but not citizens. The children of nationals, if they are born on the republic's territory, become passive citizens (with the option to become active citizens upon adulthood). This is mostly to maintain social cohesion and identity, and to make the political sphere as immune as possible to foreign subversive elements.

There should also be a series of "state of emergency" legislation to allow for dictators in the Roman sense to take the reins if the Republic is for one reason or another tumbling towards a crisis. Ideally the constitution would be designed in such a way that it remains active during this state of emergency and merely contain provisions that allow for more qualified laws to be temporarily lifted.
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>>52962931
I actually had a fallout character who's whole thing was he was the carrier of "The Orb".
It was a bowling ball, but no one really bothered to pass down the game of bowling through word of mouth so a couple generations after the bombs fell no one knew what it was, so he carried it around the wasteland waiting for it to lead him to his destiny.

>>52957277
A global dictatorial regime that focuses on culture, traditions, science and self improvement, but with a militaristic base to improve dicipline.
Vocal opponents of the regime are banished to an anarchistic exclusion zone to do as they please.

Basically the "Greater nazi Reich" from Man in the High Castle but without the cringeworthy name and the neutral zone.

>>52957277

I want to tickle that cat's tummy.

>>52964419
>An egg.

>>52967240

I do too, I wonder what its fur feels like.

>>52958408
Skyseers get out, REEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>52957277
My ideal society is one where automation liberates humans from hard labor, allowing us to all pursue our passions and interests. Strict controls on A.I. and surveillance technology allow people to live without fear, and the human rights to free thought, belief, expression and survival are respected. Research into psychoactive compounds allows many in this industrialized society to access the inner world known to shamans and lost to modern man, while traditional cultures of peoples are respected and unmolested in a multicultural setting, less like the "melting pot" and more like a smorgasbord.

TL;DR: Automated future-primitive-digital society where everyone may live without strain and cultivate the fruits of civilization.

>>52957971
>Jeffington David

>>52975362
Post scarcity?

>>52957447

So, Mohammed?

>>52957277
Ideally? Just a society of people not being assholes to each other working on sustaining themselves, advancing scientific knowledge, and expanding into the stars.

But you can't just hope people aren't assholes. (not without a REALLY intense controlled breeding program, which would be more trouble than it's worth).

Any form of government that isn't democratic turns into an elite group oppressing the have-nots. Even democracies can turn into democracies in name only.

Capitalism, while terrible, is the best system we've seen work. (Seriously, a centralized economy like you see in communism DOES NOT WORK). And to keep all the wealth accumulating with the people/companies that use their market share to capture more wealth, a progressive tax structure make sense.

We're going for ideals right? Let's say we've got robots that take care of: Food production, clothing production, and home construction. Or at least take minimal human oversight. Which.... by the way, we're practically there. Farms are HUGE these days. Only a few parts of clothing is done by hand. They're both REALLY cheap compared to decades past. You can spend as much as you want on those items, because fashion and fanciness have no upper cost. But the basics are cheap. Housing? Yeah, that's still a problem. Cheap giant condos.... kinda suck. And aren't all that cheap. We're working on it.

Anyway, with the necessities out of the way, or at least hella cheap, everyone is free to work on... whatever they want to work on. The problem being that there's not really good paying jobs for the masses if "sustaining ourselves" is now automated. That has some serious psychological ramifications. People need to be needed. I don't really know a great solution to this. Welfare for the starving? I guess. At long as the necessities are cheap, they don't need much to live.

So... Like now, but without the war-mongering and fascists.

>>52978767
>Like now, but without the war-mongering and fascists.
>Implying there's any fascists in mainstream geopolitics
Nice meme

>>52978918
George Bush did have a unilateral war and occupation that got ~300,000 people killed. That one kinda sucked.

>>52978992
George Bush wasn't a fascist. He was very far from a fascist. Or does fascist to you mean "Someone who has a political opinion that I don't like."

>>52978992
It's like you forget the bipartisan authorization he got. Even Hillary fucking Clinton signed off on it.

I'm not a fan of W's foreign policy, but don't make shit up about it because you don't like it.

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Druidic animist theocratic sea nomads.

Formally known as "Ferryfolk", they are zealots of the sea that offer safe passage along the coast, asking that the travellers pay the ferrytoll obviously as well as respect their beliefs.

Not push overs though, you start shit and you will be thrown overboard and put to the test by the mother ocean herself.

In my mind they'd be a culty type with groups all over the nation, and once a year they have like.. some kind of rammadan/christmas where they gather in one spot to celebrate water.

Would it flourish? Maybe not, but they'd most likely work super well with other factions.

FERRYFOLK 4 LYF

>>52957277
>What is your ideal society?
I didn't read this thread, but I sort of doubt anyone is as retarded as I am anyway, so I'm probably not threading on any toes.

Dictatorship with heavy elements of social engineering to control the population, e.g. by widespread proliferation of propaganda games that reward conformity through user reporting and encouraged ostracism. The goal of the society is advancement, "on the shoulders of our ancestors, we stand tallest." Create an environment that takes pride on technological advancement in order to quash moral opposition to things like human experimentation. Breed nationalism and xenophobia to develop an echo chamber, and limit ability to access information from outside the border. Implement programs designed to identify a person's ideal career, and provide the resources they need. Don't use wage slaves, just use robots for menial repetitive tasks. If someone can't contribute and needs money, they can volunteer themselves to research.

>>52957979
Theres also a whole pile of psuedo rednecks, the wannabes who went all in when the Blue Collar Comedy Tour with Larry the Cable Guy and Jeff Foxworthy made poor hygiene, illiteracy and white trash in general popular. The type with the big lifted trucks that couldnt actually do any towing or would immediately break down if they left the pavement, designer jeans with a skoal ring pre worn into the back pocket, own no guns despite claiming to be pro 2nd ammendment, and live in a general gated suburban community

>>52980241
Sooo.... China?

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>>52957277
National socialist skeletocracy of evil
>inb4 /pol/
It's evil goddamnit.

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As an italian I might be biased, but I like the Renaissance comunal system
Basically pseudo-democratic (think more elective oligarchy in practice) city-states that can be micromanaged efficiently to a certain degree due to a significantly smaller population.
This also opens near-infinite possibilities in terms of interactions between the factions, especially if you throw in some actual monarchies, greek democracies or more exotic governments among the comuni.

>>52978575

> Mohammed
> Never enslaved, tortured, or murdered civilians

Educate yourself.

How about a Militant Technocracy?

Scientists, engineers, and experts in every field who survive whatever disaster band together and convince other survivors that their only hope of restoring the old world is to save knowledge and difficult to reproduce technology, through whatever means necessary. Highly militarized, with a governing body of foremost experts in whatever fields.

>>52978767
>>52978918
>>52978992
>>52979014
>>52979066
Neocons, not fascists. The difference is that fascists at least pretend to have the country's best interests at heart.

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A nation ruled by a Holy Order of Catholic Knights who ride around on motorcycles with a culture based on a combination of the Teutonic knights and Britonnia

>>52981066
Kind of, just less people and more focus on optimizing human resources.
idk if China is corrupt, but it probably is, so without that too.

>>52977922
eyah