I've been playing philsophy: the enlightenment, and i just got to say, did you guys see that massive buff islam got last set?Im not sure if i want to build a jihad camel deck or if i want to play a good ol conversion deckOne of my friends said that i should play a hybrid deckIm not sure how i feel about ythe hybrid playstyle but i love the creativityWhat do you guys think?
>>52611013>playing anything that just scoops game 1 against Protestant AggroHope you enjoy your 0% win rate against half the format.
>>52611013I wish I knew the retarded magic terminology so I could participate in this thread.
>>52611035>playing protestant aggroYou are literally the cancer of the earthMy LGS banned that shit after it sweeped an entire tournament
>>52611066Bruh, every good Saint and Pope got banned in the last update, it's beatable as shit right now. Any decent Formal Logic control list can stomp it.
>>52611118But then you're playing Formal Logic control. I mean, it's no Nihilism Control but it's a bit nofun.jpg. t. that Pastafarain Tempo-Combo guy>It'll work one day, I swear!
>>52611118Have you not seen that new theocracy build?Even if they can't fuck you up as fast as they did all they have to do is bully you and field one politician and boom, your deadThe only thing that i know can beat it is a really lucky aethiest control deck
>>52611013You newfags are ruining the game: I remember the good old days, when a good player could win with a Diogenes deck while still running it in-character. Now we've got all this shitty lore and people mixing Kant and Objectivism decks to minmax even though the canon states it makes no sense.This shit is even worse than the time they legalized Golden Means Fallacy.
>>52611013All their stuff post Mongol Bugaloo is just rushspam and anglo buffs. The good islam set is the neoplatonic block. But that's because it was the only stuff not banned in Dark Age.
All these plebs not playing a marxist teaching deck that evolves into a leninism propaganda deck in the mid game and turns into a stalinism zoo deck late gameIts like they don't know the power of fielding vodka into hundreds of infantry tokens getting buffed by motivational posters
>>52611241Stalinist's late game is trash, can't keep up with Global Market ramp. Shit's fun in 1920s limited though.
Epicurean extremists has always been my go to.>cheap, cost effective>heavy damage control elements>if you lose, fuggit, who cares
>play anarcho-capatalist aggro-control>get banned from the store because my opponent destroys NAP and i forcibly annexed his cards
>>52611290>Not using propaganda machine to force free market into his deck and then raping him from the inside outIts like you don't know how to capitalist
>>52611204>Diogenes deck while still running it in-characterMy man. I still run Diogenes at local tournaments (both for fun and because I don't have the resources to build for current meta). It doesn't win much but it's funny to watch the reactions of newbies who don't know anything about the classic set.Case in point: "Behold! A man!" hasn't been relevant as an anti-meta counter for ages, but I can usually get at least one person to crack up by playing it.
>>52611346If you run a full extension of BAM it still does pretty well in an humanist heavy meta.
>>52611346Fuck manI remeber my plato appetite spirit deck and my aristotle question everything control deckGood times
>>52611421>aristotle question everything control deckSuch a fun deck, but it meant they stopped making recurring question cards for so long.
>>52611013>all the theocracy meme builds in this threadThese haven't been relevant outside casual formats in ages. Even during the dark ages expansion they only worked because they had synergy with feudalism decksIf you're going to run a retarded gimmick deck, just run ubermensch buff. Running that with a fascism control deck is actually pretty viable
>>52611519Fascism control died in the post war expansion, the closest to that is nihilism control
>>52611517All they had to do was ban aristotlearistotle allowed you to pop over 20 questions in one turn and is what caused the deck to go infinite and deck opponentsIf they didn't want the deck to be as strong as it was all they had to do was print more expensive questions or ban him and they did none of this
Guys, help. I've been cheesing my FLGS with a Pax Americana deck for years now, but they finally nerfed all the commanders into the ground recently. Should I switch? I was considering Chinese Trade Ramp. Is it still viable after the economic nerfs?
>>52611609Most of the pax americana cards can be used in a UN control deckAs soon as you field globalism with the UN the amount of value you can achieve is reminiscent of the old spainsh colonialism deck or british colonialism deck
>>52611013Mornington Crescent was improved by a reskin. Colour me surprised.
>>52611118The new pope is complete shit. What the fuck were they thinking with him, he has literally zero synergy with the cath meta.Do you have any insight on why reddit likes him so much? They usually run atheism decks so seeing them all suck a cath legendary's dick so hard is disconcerting. Are they just retarded?Anyway the only good Islam deck is ISIS, it dredges up a lot of ancient concepts (reminds me of hashashin decks actually, if you're grog enough to remember those) and makes them viable again. Vehicle-Ramming Attack is seeing a ton of play, outperforming even Suicide Bombing against Western philosophy. Good riddance I say, West has been a joke for years.
Reminder that if you don't Run Nihilism-Illuminati Control / Combo you're objectively not fit to play in tournaments.
>>52612959I keep hearing this, but the meta is evolving. For the first time in a while, I'm seeing Ethno-Nationalism deck builds popping up in tournaments. True, they haven't won any so far, but I saw a simple Anti-Roach Wilders deck make it to the finals in the last Dutch Open.
>>52612959Apparently there's a Youth Resurgence deck based around him, but I've rarely seen it played. Personally, I play Knights of Columbus. Solid monetary defense, even though a few of their early cards have been banned so hard nobody acknowledges their existence.Not gonna win you any tournaments, but it's a solid casual deck.
>>52611013Guys I know I've said this for the past five metas but Fascism is going to make a comeback not as control but as a combo deck and it's going to be the perfect counter to Islamists.It's a very similar deck to the old self-revolution decks that were popular back when the Mass Politics expansion came out. So you set up as the standard Western Liberal Democracy that's very popular right now, strip out all the win conditions and add a few self damage cards and neutral assets.From there it's a good out fashioned Self-Revolution combo deck, you take as much ideology damage as you dare then you trigger the revolution and you get to put the Facist cards in your sideboard (that's all of them btw) into play or your hand and you close out the game with burst.Islamists don't have much burst (excepting Loose Nukes but who plays that?), it's all slow and insidious so you can hold off as long as possible. Plus since the revolution will purge all the non- neutral or Facist assets attached to you it clears their sleeper agents to.Facist combo boys, see you at the World's.
>Marxism into Platonic Utopia comboIt doesn't work reliably, but when it does, it's a thing to behold.
>Tfw I play a fluffy Jehovah's Witness deckI mean I rarely ever win, but it's nice and I always get he "best sportsman" award at every torny
>tfw Meme Decks have actually been getting high places at tournamentsWhat the fuck is going onI mean every tournament has a guy running a Vermin Supreme lre-deck for shits and giggles but I've seen one of these things sweep at a major tournament for fucks sakeAre anti-memetic decks going to become a thing now? Christ
>>52614666It's less of a meme decks becoming a thing in their own right and more of Illuminati Control splashing memes. And Illuminati Control has been part of the meta since forever, nothing new under the sun. Just push Whistleblowing and Exposition on every opportunity even if they hurt you they will always hurt them more.
>>52614690You do realize those stop being effective lat into the game right? You stop yourself from playing any of the black-bordered cards that you get late into the game and it's not like the other guy is going to stop using theirs
Ideological Subversion combo/control master race. It's such a versatile deck type that can be slotted to work against anything. My favorite is using a Cultural Marxist build against the dumbasses that still run various authoritarian ideologies and watching their deck fall apart. Hard Propaganda-Lock and Globalist type decks that exploit pop culture to erode other archetypes are also neat. >>52614571>it doesn't work reliably You mean it doesn't work at all. That deck's success is 100% theoretical and it has never once worked in a real game.
>>52614571>implying it ever works in a serious gameoh yeah my twenty card combo surely will not get disrupted at a single step and fall apart
>Hitler's Brain is still broken>Federal Reserve and IRS combo ruins enemy's economy>>52614795>authoritarian decks>Don't have orbital mind control lasersTry to play against real player and not primary school children next time.
I've been playing an optimised pure solipsism deck for years.I've yet to win a tournament, sure, but it's hilarious to just nope everything for a few hundred turns, and when I win, it's by letting them self-destruct with unsustainable combos.
>>52614959You are the cancer that is ruining this gameIt's one thing to go up against a meme deck, it's another to go up against a deck who's entire purpose is to play the game as little as possible
>>52611204>>52611346Mono Diogenes is the only acceptable way to play. Everyone else is a try-hard, pay-to-win, trust-fund-baby that can casually drop $1,000 on a tri-syllogism deck with turn 3 Descartes.I will concede that combo Herodotus+Epicurus are alright, but they still need to nerf dual treatise before if ruins the format.
>running buddhism OTK>draw none of my moral high ground enablers>draw nirvana without a teachings of gandhi>draw none of my tutors for the buddha statue>opponent is a islamic theocracy who got the nut drawWhy the fuck do people love this deck so much?
>>52611118I will never understand this. The Reformation block shat all over George, now all you have is Martha and Jeanne and you don't even get those as protestant, so you're forced into really boring tactcis.I wish Olga was still legal to play, she'd remove the kebab right out of the field. Literally what is the difference between an orthodox deck and a buddhist one at this point?
>>52611013>Playing Islamic decks.Enjoy getting kicked in the nuts by the Bodhishvtva decks.
>>52615106Shit man, not every Christian deck needs to be aggro. Francis of Assisi pillowfort still works, stronger than ever since it combos with new age shit and generally the leftist power creep.
Bitches don't know 'bout my janky mongolian creation decksThey think it's fuckin' horsemen and khans when suddenly BAM, Bai-Ülgen in your face, same attack as any other supreme god and all it takes is a few sacrificed horses
who eternal recurrence here
>>52611568If you're trying to use Nihilism as control, you need to learn to play. Defensive Nihilism with alternate win cons is the intended build.The other day I saw 3 people at tournament try to incorrectly play "There are no facts, only interpretations" for free into the Public Forum and get corrected by a judge. All 3 of them scooped in rage. Funny, but also sad. It's one of the most misunderstood cards, and everyone tries to build nihilism control around it, but it's basically unplayable after the errata.
>>52614571Yeah it works if you use your entire hand worth of hands to artificially change the rules of the game into something literally completely different.That said, it used to be a big thing that you'd only run a bunch of marxist cards to set up the field and then use the augmented environment to push nationalism or a really agressive religion or something. Actually I think that's the only kind of a marxist deck that ever won anything, it's not bad as a dual deck.
I recently dusted off my Olypian 100-card singleton. I know it does not win shit today, but back before the Roman/Christian powercreep it was the shit. Actually still play really smooth, but it's just too slow. Still super fun to blast any blasphemer creature with lightning bolt though
>>52615133Do you sideboard Kublai Khan?
>>52615178Saint Barbara still gets lightning bolts in the present meta, even though you need her to die first. She's a meme for the ages though, only good against islam, but at least she comboes with bombardment well while she's on the field. When she's in the graveyard it's lightning bolts for days
>>52615178Maybe Olympian would have been more popular if they ever printed some actual fucking philosophies for it besides some lame ass Odyssey Morals.That's what happens when you change lead designers mid block and try to separate Olympian and Fathers of Philosophy into two different sets when they should have been one.
>>52615211>George is banned because islam players still have PTSD from crusader decks stomping the meta, aside of the odd Hussite meme>the decent legal saints (Jeanne, Barbara) are women, Jeanne isn't even combat>Francis is a cuckWhat did they mean by this?
Who's ready for this to get on the ban list?
TFW you flip a foil Occam's razor and the chubby girl at the other table give you the "fuck me" eyes.
>>52615256Fuck hedonist decks, what even is their endgame? None of their shit DOES anything.Everytime I play a hedonist they just cycle their cards and pull them back out and play solitare for five minutes before putting them back and there is no result and then they die. Are they like trying to draw through their deck for some sort of a one-of wincon or something?
>>52615292gotta go hedonism w/ solipsism and have them draw out.look maybe my shit does nothing but yours won't either
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Who's excited for the new Confucianism block? I'm planning to use Filial Piety to build a dynasty megastructure and outvalue my opponent. Tips?
>>52615292Hedonist decks want to get out hedonism and then just cycle through their deck and play materilismAt that point all you need is the pleasure calculator then you just fucking go off
>>52615292>Fuck hedonist decks, what even is their endgame? None of their shit DOES anything.It's supposed to cater to "Johnny" players who want to feel good without accomplishing anything with the decks endless combos.>tfw you will never have new stoic cards printed (That are even moderately playable)
>>52612959>West has been a joke for years>Not remembering liberal/capitalist control decks are so painfully meta that literally all modern viable decks are built around countering it>And that they still do a shit job of itkek, someone doesn't even play modern.
>>52615334Confucianism will never work because of shitty mechanicsYour better off sticking to a heir of rome deck
I want to make some kinda joke about JS Mill and milling, but I know fuck all about MtG, and there's probably no analogy to be made
>>52612959>West has been a joke for yearsYou weren't saying that when you thought you were playing against aristotle teaching but it turned into alexander conqur mid game
You all seem trapped in the past. Methodological Naturalism has been killing it since it was introduced. And it is comparable with so much. Then Karl Popper really took it over the top.
>>52615343>>tfw you will never have new stoic cards printedYeah man that was the shit. Still play my Aurelius controll deck even though its terrible nowadays, I fucking hate the populism decks running Trump or Le pen, though I prefer them to an Islam aggro meta.
>>52615348Ar you kidding? Imperial Exam in the midgame means you basically have no dead draws anymore, and it makes all other cards cheaper.
>>52611601It wasn't even that the deck was a problem, just that it was already a solid tier 1 and any more questions would buff it heaps, as we saw when Why 42? was printed in the irreverence block and bumped it back to tier one after it had been long irrelevant. >>52612959He's for a hybrid Catholic/Compassion build. It's a fun deck to pilot since the Catholic part and the Compassion part work against each other, but have some neat synergies sometimes. >>52614529Dies hard to a solid media, not that we're seeing much of that in the meta right now. >>52614979Solipsism is fine, it's just something you have to board against.
>>52615412You gotta admit the Trump deck winning the last GP was a hilarious upset to watch live on TV, even though his deck wasn't too ethical either. That globalist guy was so mad
I'm trying to make a Solipsism-Communism deck but it's jank as fuck. Are there any alternatives?>Have you tried Nihilism instea-No. I am not making yet another Solipsism-Nihilism deck. Give me something fresh, I'm trying to make something new here.
>mfw that guy plays agnostic permission control>"yeah but you don't know" "yeah but you don't KNOW" "yeah but you don't """KNOW""""
>Western Liberal Democracy is still the most popular deck>you borderline cheat by abusing public education and the media which are core of those decks>enemy doesn't notice until he lost the game, and even then they rarely actually see what went wrong>>52615455Try "it from bit", it's a meme deck very similar to solipsist but it's actually all a control-oriented simulation.
>>52611013>tfw i thought this was a V:tM thing at firstAnd now I really want to play as rouge philosophers granted supernatural powers by their beliefs.
>>52615474Did you know that WLD playstyle is a slightly change copy of the obscure Juche deck?
>>52615474Is it possible to play It From Bit in a Christian shell? That's something I've always been interested in.If not that, then maybe I'd try shoving it into a Humanist deck, I probably wouldn't need to cut much out of it. It From Bit Solipsism seems a little bit too masturbatory. I like playing interactive decks, it's more fair for the opponent.
>>52615352Is this a new meme?
>>52615515>Is it possible to play It From Bit in a Christian shellPost-Christian with core being Judgement Day, some players did that but it's really difficult to pull off, it counters itself if you don't know what you're doing.
>>52615246>odd Hussite memethat was the best suicide aggro in any game ever holy shitI'm pretty sure they released Sub Utra Que specifically to hose the Vatican because everybody complained back then, but playing all those high toughness defenders and then flipping them and going ham was the most satisfying thing.
>>52614529>not seeding Absurdism during the WLD phase so any sideboard nonsense only counts as 1/1 cartoon frogs
>>52615481I faintly remember a /co/ thread about superheros with powers based around their philosophies.
>>52615454Ok you're right, that game was amazing, though im getting tired of it at this point. I've been thinking about trying a trans-humanism deck, but om not sure about what ideology I can pair it up with to ramp out singularity.
>>52615554Which becomes 10/10 Fascist Death Squad after you punish enemy for using public education and big media by using "backlash"
>>52615289how long has it been since you've played?occam's razor isn't the "must have" monster it used to be, empiricism's power creep has changed the meta considerably.
>>52615610>Not running a media using indirect regulation and civic duty.
>he doesn't run twelve layers of ironyYou can't handle all these triggers, son
>>52615648They get countered by subversion and sleeper agents.
What deck should I take to the next GP?>Identitarian Control, with Globalism win condition.Tried and true, although the resurgence in Nationalist decks, especially the Ethnocentrism variant, has hindered its popularity lately.>Psychedelic RampAlways fun, if a little unreliable. For this purpose, I usually run Nirvana, Übermensch and Sisyphus. If I don't hit any of them with a ramped Transcend Consciousness, I usually just fold. >Christian MidrangeYeah, I know, it's a bit vague. There's a few too many options. I usually run Westboro Baptists but that deck tends to build itself. I'm thinking of running Papal Infallibility instead. And no, don't suggest that I run Papal Infallibility in a Westboro Baptist shell, I'm not that stupid.
Mormon outlasting is the most cancerous deck in the formatWho thought that mormonism was a good deck to begin with?Anyone who plays that shit needs to stop or be killed
>>52615679Run more rational compassion. >>52615681Psych ramp, but try swapping Ubermensch for Ascended Consciousness. You can bluff it with a Woah Man or a Hey, Dude and a Right Answer, Wrong Reasons can pull it out to combo a win.
>>52615727it's like you don't even WANT to hardcast Xenuwhen they release him I meanIs Yakub deck any good? The ethnocentric core seems solid but I hate how your cards get countered by pretty much anything at all
>>52615751An ethnocentric deck with "we wuz kangs" and "melanin" may work with yakub.
>>52615602If you wanna feel like a real winner, it slides real esily into a Anracho-Capitalism feck.although it can give you plenty of options for control if you decide to go for a Futuristic-Oligarch Deck (there are even some pre-built combos right in the cards and it has good theming)I've heard that some people have gotten transhumanism to work with more spiritual decks in this real cheese-strat though. could be fun.
>>52615751It's usually seen as a joke deck, but the trick to catch some wins with a Kangs-style deck is to not engage the opponent conventionally (which, as you say, gets countered by almost everything). Make heavy use of cards like "de-imperialized scholarship" or "post-colonial grudge" to protect your stuff. With a little luck, they won't be able to pick apart your pieces before you achieve the Pan-African wincon.
>MFW the guy is breaking out his Dadaism deckThat shit is never not fun. If you play a Dadaist deck, your a fucking amazing person.>Those fucking stupid combos with both Solipsism AND spiritualismI'm both rock hard and rolling on the floor
>>52615854I still think it was a mistake to reprint those outside of an 'Un-' set. Don't get me wrong, it can be a blast to play with friends, but it just makes a mess in "serious" games.
>>52615751You need to run Papal Infallibility. Look, I know that sounds stupid but hear me out.>Get Papal Infallibility out as soon as possible.>When your opponent's tapped out, play Racial Revisionism.>Once it's in play, use it to give all of your cards with the Black subtype the Catholic subtype.And suddenly, your Black cards can't be countered until they removed your Racial Revisionism with Discredit Research, Enlightened Ignorance or some other project removal card.Just because careful though. I know no one really plays Orthodox or Protestant variants of Christian decks anymore but they hard counter Catholics.
>>52615602ok, hear me out on this...Formal logic, but splashing Christian for Ontological Argument. Use Ontological Argument to define P=NP and cheat Singularity out. It sounds fragile, but you can use Flawed Proof to protect the combo against other logic decks and Quiverfull to stall the board against aggro decks.
>>52615854I actually started as an art deck player but the archetype is so fucked at this point it's just not worth.Dadaism is basically mechanically so bad it's good, they were like 'well if art/culture decks are not going to be a thing from now on, let's kill it with a bang'.Postmodernism is just so disconnected from what it used to be, fuck. Today you can TRY to play structuralism but you're not gonna win shit. Kubist combo was worth something also, but it died long ago too. Everything that comes out in Art is just an overpriced piece of garbage, all just that it can tie into Irony to flip around, so that you can be complete fucking cancer.
>>52615873Yeah but they still only got printed as serious cards in the 60's and 70'sSo not only do they not fit into the current meta but the cards themselves are rare.It's a lot of work to put into something so stupid and I appreciate it every time
Even if it's not a popular build, I love counter playing Control decks with a Kierkegaard deck>>52615751>>52615727>Xenu>OutlastStop playing Mormon decks wrong. Everyone knows the style revolves around using Prophet and Champion cards to buff weenies, then zerg rush with Browning equipmentEither that, or run a mixed Apocalypse deck, subbing in Degrees of Glory for the Damnation cards, and mixing in Free Agency and Divine Potential of Man
>>52615907Y'know, there real problem with art decks is that at some point everyone makes an art deck just to counter someone else's artdeck that beat them before(remember, this was after th3 70's so art decks were really cheap and easy to play) so the whole playstyle became a bunch of art decks trying to counter the top artdeck that they nerfed the whole playstyle into oblivion because people weren't coming to tournaments anymore
>>52615818>>52615906What about a singularity with a fascist Shell? Facism for early game ramp and singularity, bots and ai to compensate for facist weak late-game?
>>52615948You need to have a stupid amount of set-up for that to happen and the other guy manages to remove even one portion of the necessary setup and you reach the singularity before drawing it again then it's basically a crapshoot.
>>52615948Too vulnerable to Book Burning, Academic Migration, Discredit Research and other forms of project removal and project stealing.
I'm a Regressive-Globalism Ad Hominem player.Ask me anything.
>>52615840>>52615882Also, don't run Post-Colonial Grudge if you're going for the Blacktholic combo, it'll cancel it out.One common mistake I see Kangs players make is dropping Mugabe too early. It's tempting to exile all your opponent's white permanents as soon as possible, but the cumulative famine upkeep will catch up with you faster than you realize. Save him as your endgame beater. Selassie, Prestor John, even Shaka Zulu are much better choice for early-to-mid game
>>52615972Yeah, what >>52615992 saidThe amount of Islamic decks running around that have all these things makes it to risky in modern or even post-modern. If you're playing legacy though, go for it.
>>52611057it's generic card game lingo. Do you tgc?
>>52616198Lots of people don't.
is the North Korea communism aggro deck ever going to be viable? They've been promising it will be for so long but it still isn't
>>52616238It is, LITERALLY entire Western Liberal ""democracy"" is Juche with One Sun-God Leader replaced with the entire institution of government
>>52615882>>52616028>running Blacktholic is now viableCondom price increase incoming!I don't know why people shit on the new Pope so much, when Catholicism is as viable as it's been in centuries. Sure, pure Papal is still trash, but pure Papal has been trash since the Reformation. Catholicism is all about compatibility now; you can splash almost anything in it, and splash it into almost anything else, ESPECIALLY if you run NOMA.The old days are long gone, and if you're really hankering for an old-school Crusader deck, aggro-Islam delivers practically the same thing (except, you know, actually usable in today's environment).
>>52616028>>52616260Another thing to keep in mind is that after the 2012 errata, Racial Revisionism overrides the original subtype of the race you're altering.So, if you're using it to make all Black cards Catholic, your Black Muslim or Black Activist doesn't become a Black Muslim Catholic or a Black Activist Catholic. They both become Black Catholics and lose their previous subtype.So no, you don't get to run Jihad and Crusade in the same deck. I know what you were thinking.
>>52616238I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but if it didn't happen during the Cold War block, it'll never happen now.Of course, some people say that the direction the game is moving means we might eventually see a post-scarcity meta, in which case Communism would come back with a vengeance. They won't sell for much right now anyway, so you might as well hold on to them and keep your fingers crossed.
I've been playing anarcho-capitalism deck. I figured out that even if I can't attack on my own and must rely on buffs from being aggressed, if I survive the first couple turns I can literally buy out entire opponent's deck. The difficult part is surviving, when for example stalininst decks can just throw massive waves of basic monsters at me and just break my private property defense. What cards would be good for defense combos?
>>52616305>136.2a>Whenever a card gains a new political, religious or philosophical subtype, it overwrites the original political, religious or philosophical subtype(s).>it overwrites the original .. subtype(s).Not the previous subtype, just the original one. There's nothing stopping anyone from running a Catholic Muslims deck, it just requires multiple copies of Racial Revisionism on the board. If you get a third one, you can even make them Jews as well for the Abrahamic Covenant win condition.
>>52616387Recreational landmines and child-soldiers Are good at stopping commie-aggro. Finnish snipers also work, though they might not for too good in your ancap deck
>>52616387Privateers + International Waters is a solid defense that goes great with AnCap, makes your offshore accounts nearly untouchable. Privateers are also incredibly cheap, being an otherwise obsolete common.
>>52616317I hope it does. I've been wanting to try out a transhumanism deck and I think post scarcity would imrpove it a lot
>>52616387Consider Swiss Bank Account for ramp, although you have to look out for decks that run Panama Papers.
>>52615474>doesn't know how vulnerable WLD decks are to decks built around cultural subversion and demographic replacement.Do you even meta? Most of the major WLD players are getting reamed by combo decks built around cultural marxist subversion and demographic replacement. WLD can't do shit against the "long march trough the institutions" and once that phase is done, they cannot fight the replacement process of their demos.The only way to fight against those are Ethno-nationalist decks and fascist decks.
>>52612959ISIS decks are being popular around here, any advice on countering them?
>>52616418I already have several Recreational Thermonuclear Bombs though. Even though I can clear the table on aggro, any anti-individualism player will redraw a gorillion more monsters and they will suffer no penalties, because they have my ideology as hatred focus.Child Soldiers won't do much if the enemy has ideology strong enough to suppress morality effects. I'm not sure if I can use them anyway - all my monsters need to have self-ownership so I can use Voluntary Contract on them. Child Soldiers should either explicitly have self-ownership or not, it should be listed - but neither is. I heard this rule will be fixed in next edition, but I'll believe it when I see it.
>>52616519>mfw all nationalistic and fascistic decks always get destroyed early on in tournaments by WLD decks, allowing me to easily breeze to victory with my Cultural Marxism deck that WLD players can't do shit about.And for some reason, people keep falling for the WLD meme.
>>52616514>>52616387This might sound a bit weird since it's usually used for Psychedelic decks, but couldn't you use Acid Trip and Bong Hit to ramp into Bitcoin Buyout?Some sort of Psychedelic-AnCap hybrid deck.
>>52616418Finns lack strong enough individualism stats to work well with max individualism decks like Ancap.They are simply too communal, even in the modern editions, that have had the american individualism creep spread all across the western card range.
>>52616456Pretty nice. They would have to have a good fleet and most stalinists focus on land army.I was thinking about strategy that doesn't involve active defense though. Something like Hard Drugs Legalization and then playing Trade Dependency. If they need to leave me alone to rein in their own market even for a turn, I get massive advantage.
>>52611241>>52611274I just wish Socialism would get more cards. I just can compete with the National Socialist deck anymore. I tried to combine the Socialist build with the Democratic build, but I always ALWAYS get shut down by the Capitalist Oligarchy builds.
>>52616579How do we fix this degenerate R/P/S meta?The gradual reduction of explicit Race Hatred mechanics is usually seen as a good move (they were limited and stale I'll admit), but the current meta is not dynamic enough when Cultural Marxism can just faceroll anyone without a deck built specifically to counter it (which is then useless against anything else). I'm not saying I want the old meta back, but CM players would actually have to pay attention against WLD if they had at least a few decent options with Race Hatred or something mechanically similar.
>>52616669The only reason national socialism decks don't work is because the meta is full of decks specifically geared to propagandize the demos against national socialism. Because if the demos accepts Natsoc, that deck can become a serious threat to pretty much anything. The last major tournament that featured a natsoc deck was only brought down by an unholy union of WLD players and a fucking Stalinist player.It was insane.
>>52616669Consider playing the European Socialism variant. Free Movement of People and Single Market are almost game-breaking, but require you to have an established board of multiple nationalities when you play them.
>>52616669Capitalism is very overpowered, but it needs time to get rolling. Even when mixed with such a shit deck as Oligarchy it will massacre any socialism-aligned deck unless you go full Class Revolution path in the first couple turns. But that is a trap as well, as Class Revolution will keep you weakened for the endgame.Basically the only way to win with a socialism-aligned deck is to setup Platonic Utopia. But even if there are a couple socialism player at every tournament, they get beaten far before they even start on utopian path. Platonic Utopia is just too complicated to get right and trigger the win condition.
>>52616703Race Hatred is a mechanic that heavily alters based on the socio-economic conditions stat. If the SEC is above a certain threshold, the race-hatred's effects are severely limited. If the SEC falls bellow that threshold though, the race-hatred's effects amp up significantly.It's similar to other uprising effects, that all depend on the SEC stat falling bellow the threshold where the demos no longer have the incentive to partake in civil society.
>>52616557USA propaganda machine works pretty wellIt lost some steam with the CIA nerfs in the new errata but it still works pretty well
is the rumor confirmed? are they really going to do a new Cold War set after all these years?
Anybody looked at the Ecological Collapse spoilers? Seems janky but I like that they're trying to shake up all the globalism dependent meta. I'm kind of worried its going to have a bunch of great depression reprints and tribal bullshit for armchair players though.
>>52616820USA decks are too vulnerable to Debts and Taxes.
>>52616820It's arguably better than it used to be, the designers just shifted their focus, just look at the things you can do with NSA. CIA's direct removal ain't what it used to be, but you get to deck- and hand-peak like a mofo.>making your opponent play with a revealed hand the whole game>get to look at their deck>they don'tSo good for control decks, I can hardly believe it's legal.
>>52616875If you play national identity highlander you can usually get 20+ tomahawks off before anyone can call in your debt counters. I run 'Retire In A Tax Haven' as my alt win condition.
Anyone know when the Futurist Technocracy cards are getting released?Tax-On-Oh-My just redistributed all the creature types and now my old Dinosaur deck doesn't even exist. Sure, I can still run a Crocodilians with Global Warming for some staying power, but even at maximum buff my Saltwater Crocodile gets hard-countered by Ice Age.That's why I was thinking of jumping over here when Futurist Technocracy releases and picking up the De-Extinction subset, I hear that's got a similar playstyle and will actually work.
>>52616982Why did you even play Dinosaurs when almost every Christian, Muslim and Jewish deck has Creationism on their sideboard?
>>52617005They don't have those in that game, my biggest threat was Mammalian Megafauna. Is it really gonna be that big a problem once I migrate over here?
>>52616982No word on new release but Illuminati Lizardmen support your old archetypes pretty well. I'm not sure if that was intended or design oversight on the Lizard subtype that they don't want to admit, but it works RAW (last errata confirmed). So you could just cherry-pick couple good pieces from there (economy and disruption) and keep 90% of your old deck the same. eg. Weather Control Project straight up denies Ice Age / Global Warming.
>>52616982I'm kind of scared about this, honestly. They haven't done a tech-heavy block since the late 90's, because it was a balance disaster. People were buying Gates' Saga rares for hundreds of dollars, only to have them banned.They might even go too far in the opposite direction, print a set that's worthless outside of its own limited environment.
I like playing Direct Democracy decks in the current meta but in the new Pirate shell using Liquid Democracy and Blockchain optimism. Not the old hellenistic models as they really limited the options for what you are allowed to run. Though I do keep running into issues with Generational Gap counters and Institutional Ignorance. Though with the buffs to Basic Income I am starting to decently at some tournaments.Though anyone remember the Unbelief sets? They're great in chaos drafts. Man I loved running some Erisian Kaos decks and then messing with all the various fundamentalist aggro players in the games next to me by making their opponents Popes. Or the evasion in Invisible Pink Unicorn decks. You just got to hide your cards from your opponents until you used them.
>>52617013Yes.Darwinist decks never see play solely because of cards like Creationism, Deathbed Conversion, Enlightened Ignorance and Petard Hoist.More recent Atheist and Humanist decks run into the same roadblocks. Euphoria, Second Wave Chivalry and Alternative Fashion just aren't good cards, sadly.
>>52617082Yeah and while Social Darwinism did well as a derivative deck for a while it's really gone down the drain. Sure there's a few holdouts but they're a lot better in the Big Corporate decks these days.
>>52617005He's talking about a different card game, dipshit, not a dead deck.>>52616557Play an Islam deck without revolution/civil war reliance. ISIS needs regional instability at Violent+ or else Xenophobia at High (If they're fighting a nonmuslim or Heretic Muslim deck) or else their wincons don't work. Faith helps you more than them and you can break most of their fanaticism effects even with niche Muslim decks. They have ping but it'll never be high enough to actually hurt you as long as you're politics start stable.ISIS is a meta-counter that fucks Intervention decks and a lot of the western meta while excelling at multiplayer games. Just sidedeck stuff to keep that in mind and you're fine.
>>52617082>Darwinist decks never see play solely because of cards like Creationism, Deathbed Conversion, Enlightened Ignorance and Petard Hoist.Any Darwinist worth his salt runs sideboard counters to these.Agree with the rest though, secular/low faith playstyles in general need more love in the next set.
>>52616703Splash a heavy ideology if you're playing WLD. You want to be recasting Assimilate and either Preach or Indoctrinate every few turns if people are going for demo subversion or cultural subversion wincons. Christianity's traditional, low key Socialism variants can work in some decks, running some surprise counters so you share the CM wincon works OK. People keep saying there'll be a good Islamic, Hindu, Jewish, or Buddhist splash available soon but it ain't happening.
>>52617110Honestly, any high stability deck beats Islamic State decks fair and square.Federal Russia, Maoism and East Asian Capitalism decks can all run Police State without suffering any negative consequence. Racial Profiling, Tiananmen Square and Legal Discrimination crush any remaining disadvantages that Islamic State decks can impose.
>>52616982Are there even any philosophies besides Natural in your deck? You're playing only Mesozoic-allowed cards, right? Isn't it boring to just spam Fight or Flight between dinosaurs and mammals?
Will we ever see a Monarchism buff? I love the consept but nowadays its only run rarely in wld or islam decks for morale bonus, and marxism shits all over them.
>>52617194Federal Russia's incentives to run foreign interventions too much, desu, you can punish that really hard and try to kill stability that way. Otherwise, yeah, those all work.I think that's ok though, the deck I tried to shake up the meta heavily from 'Run WLD+Globalism, Win, ignore half the games religious and philosophical mechanics'. Now you at least need to be able to Decline Foreign Intervention in any tournament worthy deck.
>>52617105>social darwinismWhen your deck variant replaces every single card from the deck your derived it from, maybe you should change the name as well. It's like making a Poo in the Loo tribal deck and still calling it Shaka Zulu.
>>52617082Aw man. Guess I'd better go Illuminati Lizardmen like >>52617014 suggested.>>52617202It's honestly a whole different game. No Manifesto requirements for summoning, just enough cards in hand. I remember sacrificing two Compsognathus to get out my T-Rex and steamrolling anything that wasn't immune to its card effect.I swear adapting to this game is gonna kill me. Still, at least my old game had more than one meta deck. I feel bad for all the Broadside!! Starboard players out there. Once they finally nerfed Royal Navy, they just turned around and made USN the only way to play, and that's even after they released IJN.>>52617213I'm kinda new to this, but I heard Coronation Ceremony still does okay in Anglosphere.
>>52617213You can still run them as sideboard in a Spectacle deck. Gives you some alternative options for celebrity focus and stuff to sacrifice to your tabloid generator. There's a lot of keyword synergy with corporate nepotism too, but its still basically a consumer/producer combo.
>>52617234That should read 'though' not 'desu'. Fucking phone.
>>52617148That's the issue though. Darwin decks are meant to build on the foundation of Natural Selection with cards like Antiquity of Man, Tree of Life and Griffith's Experiment so you can quickly achieve a win condition like the Human Genome Project.If you're siding in cards like God Delusion and Critical Thinking so you can counter cheap hate from Christian decks, you're already losing the game. Darwinist decks can't afford to stumble or slow down, their win condition is slow enough as it is.
>>52615292My friend just got a hedonist deck. He used one card that really fucked me up, but I don't remember what exactly it did. I think it was called "Pot of Greed?"
>>52617194These all have high upkeep and lose to any half-competent version of control or tempo. They even lose to monocapitalism every edition when some of its iconic cards get a reprint. And monocapitalism starts eating itself by turn 3.>>52617213The tech is too slow for any sort of competitive play, and anything that would buff it would also break 3/4 of Modern. I don't see it coming back outside of combos in obscure Elites decks. I did hear Hapsburgs make good budget replacements for some staples in Rainbow Mutant, though Multiculturalism power creep made them obsolete in tournaments even before they rotated out.
>>52617318That's a yugioh card
>>52611013Guys, can you help me? I would like to start play again but I´m not sure how much the game change since the time when Kant Critique of Pure Reason combo totally wreck Hume's empiricism deck and broke meta. I lost interest when everybody started shilling for Marx (even thou he is just Hegel for noobs.) I wanted to try Zionism combo but then I found all their "globalims" cards had been banned and now it is just semi-nationalism only good to bully Islamist players. I am looking for real challenge with high risk high rewards, no pay to win postmodernism deck neither cheesy nihilism.
I'm looking to feel old, how long have Human Sacrifice decks been dead? Since they banned Aztecs, right?
>>52617213As long as it's in play, Constitutional Monarchy allows you to play Monarch cards no matter what government type you've gone for. It only works well in Brexit combo decks though.
This lingo is making it sound like a pretty fun game to play mechanically, and the theming would make it entertaining. How would it work? Instead of HP and mana you have influence and followers? You use followers for actions and try to collect more but in the end you can win the most influence without having the most followers, if you make use of power structures efficiently.
>>52617311That's because Darwin was originally a very patient control deck, but nowadays everyone is trying to turn it into Populism 2.0 or ideological aggro. If they reprinted the original Natural Selection with its full text you'd understand why the deck was contested or banned for decades almost everywhere.
>>52615409The reason you almost never see it is because it's so hard to build a viable deck for. Technocracy and enlightenment don't have a ton of synergy unless you throw in a ton of formal logic artifacts from different sets, and frankly that's just too much work for the typical player.Besides that, it's can also be really tedious to play. Oh, your hand size is maxed out? Guess whose tempo is fucked! Plus if you're running an analytical deck it's way too easy to just waste every turn trying to study your opponent's board and get fucked over.Still, I love when I can get my Hume out. It's honestly one of the most effective anti- Islam decks that I've found.>>52611013Honestly just run a straight rationalist deck if you're having trouble with people running Islam decks at your place. Islam is set up so that if your try to aggro them they grow srtonger. There's nothing more hilarious than watching them get picked apart while they try to set up and seeing them collapse turn 4
>>52617485You can get the same sort of playstyle with martyrs, but you need all new cards. I mean they bleed you dry man.Martyrs are really fun though, they're so versatile.
>>52617461The big problem with Zionism is that you need jews for the deck and they're all rares or mythics.Speaking of that, anybody play pauper? The best game of Philosophy I have ever played was when I brought my satanist deck (all Bathroom Scribbles and Rebellious Youths, no expensive shit like hebrew demons or the Frankfurt School) to the store and asked everyone if they want to play pauper, and one guy said he had a pauper Amish deck and played me.Holy shit, what a game. I haven't had Pitchforks and Torches slammed on me since the Reformation.
>>52617461>thinks PoMo is PTW >>52617515>thinks rationalism isn't ideology combo I know /tg/ is bad at Philosophy but damn.
>>52615727Dude, my ex-girlfriend ran a mormon deck, it was honestly some scary shitShe mainly ran it as a hardline Christian fundamentalist, with a couple uniques thrown in. It's one of those decks that just traps you almost immediately.Honestly I don't even play with people who run hardline mormon anymore. I really hope they stop making cards for it, it's such a cancerous deck
Hey bruhs what's your opinion on using the Eastern Light theme decks in comp play? I've been putting together a rad build with Adi Shankara that lets me use cards from all the hindu sets thanks to Advaita Vedanta: what do I have to be aware of when tackling protestant and modern decks?
>>52617572Against protestants you get rekt by missionaries, though not too many people run that. I think your deck might have trouble against muslim decks though, so considder running Sikhs.
>running western liberal democrat deck against eastern theocracy deck>mfw I set up Veil of Ignorance in 3 turnsI almost feel guilty about it. completely wrecks most utopian decks as well. sure it's a bit of a bore but the resources boost alone more than make up for the deficiency in Enthusiasm
Been playing a Dao toolbox as of late. Works well against most things that aren't running heavy Industrialization like many Capitalist decks. Some speed bumps against an Ubermensch deck which can out rush you.Found it working rather well against the ISIS meta if you slow down and play control instead. It frustrates the players when suddenly all the cards you field are no longer considered valid targets to their tactics. Nothing to stop them from affecting your hand or deck though.Also screw Tibetan Buddhism decks, they've become more annoying as of late then Scientology decks or even particular cards from them.
>>52617572That build got a resurgence these days with a hybrid fascism. jury is still out on the civic infrastructure gaps though.
>>52617485Corporate Chinese decks have an element of human sacrifice.Shanghai Shopping Center, Beijing High-Rise and Chinese Firetrap each provide massive advantages if you man them with personalities but at the start of each turn, they demand that you sacrifice a personality as a 'maintenance cost.'Chinese personalities are unique in that they can cheaply create copies of themselves - but they come with the disadvantage of cumulative upkeep at the start of each turn.Corporate Chinese decks solve this by sacrificing their aging personalities to their structures, whereas Maoist decks use cards like One Child Policy, Tienanmen Square and Great Leap Forward to limit the cumulative upkeep costs.
>runing globalist UN deck>opponent is running a nationalist militarist deck>he gets trump out and starts spamming missles>mfw
>>52617874>Not running hippies in case this happens
>>52611013How do you make libertarianism deck work? Before I can get my combo for free market and high technological development, oligarchy cuckblocks me with their monpoly and outlives me despite having penalization for publick disorder. Same against most authoritarian regime With WLD cards I have some resistance but it makes me weak to political subversion.
>>52617500It feels like something where you pick a base Ideology and have multiple ways to win. Ideological damage by discrediting your opponent being the most simple but a card game where all the decks are running cards that say "You win the game" would tickle me something special.
>>52617489How does Brexit combo even work?
>>52617213It's never gonna be back properly. You can't control your political leaders outside of constitutional and some niche builds so you'll eventually get fucked by a bad ruler or Succession Crisis and roll over.
>>52618034the game mechanics are hard coded against libertarianism, at best you can make hybrids or short lived combos.
>>52618034If Anarcho-Capitalism gets Non-Aggression Principle in its opening hand and the opponent doesn't have removal, the game's already won.That's as close as you'll get to a playable Libertarian deck. Free Market Fundamentalism is a shit win-con.
>>52618406but everyone has basic removal built into the system unless ideological subversion is played.
>>52617700There's a reason for the resurgence of Tibetan Buddhism's use of militant cards with the more recent erratas making them viable.Blame muslim and muslim-east asian hybrids decks for their overuse of Willful Western Blindness, and the current chinese mainstream decks also really need a regional counter.
>>52618497Chinese decks have a hard counter in the form of Golden Urn though. Or do these new TB decks not play Dalai Lama?
>>52617500>>52618045There's followers and there's ideas.Ideas represent the rethorical ammunition your followers can use when debating others. They're like the monsters in other games. Then there's special effects (spells) that you use followers to enact, starting a holywar, a suicide bombing, you use up followers when activating these. Naturally introducing ideas won't cost you followers (unless it's a radical one, in which case it's denoted at the bottom), but you shouldn't be able to just keep summoning them, instead there's a stack of ideas in play, with only the bottom few being actually in use, in order to get a new idea in play you need to expend effects to manipulate its position in the stack and move it forward. (For instance, a fear based effect might help move all the defensive ideas forward.)Influence is calculated by number of followers and positions of power you managed to infiltrate with them, at the side of the board. The game is won when the influence of the opponent is reduced to one, aggro decks can have cards that allow you to instantly destroy all influence of the opponent if you fulfill certain requirements of infiltrated positions and total influence.So there's different ways to play. Try to attack the opponents ideas to steal followers. Try to manipulate the political field, to win disproportiante influence. Manipulate your opponents stack to keep him from playing his stronger ideas. Farm followers using event cards.
>>52616865Yes but it's got like 12 good cards one of which is a game breaker. "Oriental Automaton" + "Covert Shipment" + "Indentured Engineer" shits out 6 Drone tokens per turn.GG you discovered the I'm A Tard button enjoy your 5 hour' '''''''''''''win'''''''''' set up.
>>52618584The late 2016 chinese media additions have a strong negation power towards Tibetan unique units (and Negative Criticism used against North Korea cards) since Public Outcry's series synergy with TB has been nerfed. It's therefore harder to counter Control-oriented chinese decks without militant cards. I suppose it's a reason to please the older TB players by letting them dust off their old tolerance =/= pacifism combos, and add some strategies with the now modern cards.
>>52618633What if it was a Netrunner or Star Wars Destiny kind of deal where my "identity" is let's say "CIA" and that gives me full access to Western Liberal Democracy and Espionage cards with limited access to cards from other areas. Whereas if I was "The Papacy" I'd get full access to "Theology" and "Christian" cards. You could even have two identities at the head of your deck if the factions were very limited.It honestly sounds like a fun tongue-in-cheek game where you can have the CIA and the Pope team up to save to world from Illuminati Transhumanists.
>>52618924Seems like it'd limit your ability to deckbuild and make up your own strategy, but then again, maybe it's the only way to keep the theming right without making every card ultra-generic.
Anyone else play the Alternate History ruleset? I like running Romanov Autocracy there myself, falling back onto a White Russia sideboard if that fails.The Japanese Intervention and Cossack Support really save me a lot of headaches, and my only hard-counter is banned in that ruleset.
>>52619047It's the only good fan ruleset. Except for the alien spacebats. I don't know who introduced that ""joke"", but it ruins everything.
>>52618633[Spoiler]I think it should have a wealth resource as well, to pay for certain cards, it would fit with the style of several decks and give you more strategic posibillities
>>52619047Never tried that, seems interesting. Lately I've been playing a lot of the "turn of the century" ruleset. We've banned England, though, it's way to overpowered. I like that ruleset because there are no postmodernism decks. Those can get a bit tedious.
Does anyone else play a Meme Magic deck? I was skeptical at first, but after the smashing victory in the 2016 championships I'm sure Meme Magic is the new OP.Here's to another championship title!
>all these roleplayibg fagsWhat if i want to use arostotle in my marxist human sacrifice deck?What if i want to run stalinism in my fascits poland deck?What if i want to run the CIA in my globalist china deck?I can fuckibg play what i want and i dob't care how much you REE because you have no cocontrHave fun getting raped by my neo aztec colonial deck
>>52615436>He's for a hybrid Catholic/Compassion build. It's a fun deck to pilot since the Catholic part and the Compassion part work against each other, but have some neat synergies sometimes.They're designed to have good synergy, because Universal Church reduces costs across the board, but as soon as anything involving European Politics hits the board the whole deal starts to break down. Infighting and Frivolous Spending really fuck with the deck, which is why the new Pope's supposed to help by countering stuff like that.
>>52619845Wow, that really devolved at the end. Maybe the CCG gods struck him with brain damage over his bad opinions.
>>52619845>Playing decks with absolutt noe synergies
>>52619845>making compete shit trash decks that are nonfunctionalHave fun being raped in every game
>>52619845You can't run Stalin in a Fascist deck, anyway - not unless you're building the whole thing around Horseshoe Theory and Non-Aggression Pact, and even then he only shows up when you play Ally of Convenience.
>>52620166>Stalin>not a fascist, just with a different title
>>52620206That's why you run Horseshoe Theory, anon.
>>52620007Two copies of Popular Anti-Semitism and the deck doesn't even have any room for Charismatic Display or Great Purge! It's ridiculous.
>>52620206Its converted capital cost uses a different symbol, thems the rules. Unless you're going for a legendary cult of personality deck, but even then you're relying on revisionist graveyard recursion and decontextualized capital.
>>52620412Can I run Louis XIV in there or is he too outdated?
>>52620626You mean Louis XVI ?
I run a modified version. I added a bunch of Traditionalism cards to the mix like Julius Evola. Adds a solid foundation to what normal is a unpredictable tempo. Plus cards like Ride the Tiger are very good at subverting any strategy that relies on followers.
>>52620626Running XIV is fun, but XVI makes you really vulnerable to modernization and anything that keywords on revolution, and a lot of shit does in early modern block. I wouldn't XVI even in continental limited.
>>52615626A foil Occam's Razor still sells for over $800 in moderately played condition. And it only gets better as fewer are in circulation every year. Who even cares about it's stats anymore? You probably didn't even play in alpha.
>>52616021how many LGS have you been banned from?
So, here's my monoblack deck.>4x Martin Luther King>3x Malcolm X>3x Robert Mugabe>3x Nelson Mandela>3x Frederick Douglass>2x Civil Rights>2x Black Lives Matter>2x Anti-Apartheid Movement>3x Affirmative Action>3x Race Card>3x White Guilt>3x Post-Colonial Grudge>3x Political Martyr>3x Anti-Discrimination ActAnything that obviously needs improvement?
what's the name of the game? is the philosophy theme well implemented or just part of the meme?
>>52621151Remove Civil Rights4x Affirmative Action3x Black Lives MatterAffirmative Action is so OP, you want as much of it as you can fit in your deck.You may also want to put in a "Shoot the Boer" card if you can.
>>52621151Maybe drop the BLM and sub in a copy of George Washington Carver and a W.E.B. DuBois?
>>52621210If I'm doubling down on the BLM win-con, should I put in a fourth copy of Political Martyr as well? At this point though, it's threatening to transform into a Didn't Do Nothing self-sacrifice deck. I was aiming for a variety of win conditions.
>>52621151>remove malcom X because of anti-synergy with king>add in another black lives matter>add in 2 affermative actionKeep civil rights if you have any KKK players in your areaTake it out for a rosa if needed
>>52621151>2x>no tutoringeither drop it or play at least 3
>>52621235BLM is too relevant in current the current metaIf you want to bank on black synergy you NEED BLM
Guys I ran the Heidegger Blitzkrieg and won my last tournament, but now I feel terrible about it. Thinking about switching to a Habermas conciliation deck. Thoughts?
>>52621151Black Panthers creates a stable foundation for Community cards and has synergy with Collective Upkeep, enjoy that free healing and resource ramp with every you add to the collective. Be warned though, you get absolutely fucked if anybody is running a legendary J. Edgar Hoover COINTELPRO.You can hybridize it with the Intersectional Struggle archetype by adding James Baldwin, Rosa Parks, bell hooks, or Angela Davis.
>>52621326>>52621313>>52621210God damn it, fine.>4x Malcolm X>4x Robert Mugabe>3x Nelson Mandela>3x Frederick Douglass>3x George Washington Carver >3x W.E.B. Du Bois>4x Black Lives Matter>4x Affirmative Action>3x Political Martyr>3x Didn't Do Nothing>3x Shoot the Boer>3x Die-InI'm thinking of swapping out Nelson Mandela for Oprah Winfrey at this point and if I do that, Shoot the Boer's getting kicked out for Race Card.
>>52621494The Nelson Mandela - Shoot the Boer combo is awesome, it removes all negative effects associted with regularly playing the Shoot the Boer card. Why can the Oprah Winfrey-Race Card combo do to measure up to that?
>>52621469Dedicated Civil Rights decks are really, really old-fashioned though. Aren't there a dozen counters to it at this point?
>>52621524Just saying, both of those cards contribute directly to Anti-Apartheid Movement and if I'm getting rid of that, the only thing they've got going for them is the combo. It's a sweet fucking combo, but Oprah Winfrey's got a lot going for her in a BLM deck and Race Card's good on its own.I could always swap out the Die-Ins for 3x AAM but that leaves the deck with almost no offensive actions.
>>52621528Even in the New Left block it had counters, but it had fundamentals, man, not like fucking, Weathermen decks which tried to Nova hard and then just burned out if they didn't accomplish their win con by turn 3.
>>52621494If you've bought into Shoot the Boers, consider maybe 2x Julius Malemas in the sideboard for the mirror. Nothing sinks an aspiring revolution faster than the Malema/Shoot the Boer combo, which can give you the turns you need to assemble your own engine.
>>52611287My man. The only bad part is that people see the "hedonism" archetype and assume you're some kind of try-hard who spends thousands on their deck, when in reality it's the complete opposite.
ITT: the best thread on /tg/ right nowi fucking love you guys sometimes.
>>52621528>Aren't there a dozen counters to it at this point?Even stuff you wouldn't necessarily think of as a hard counter hits it hard. Reagan Iran-Contra looks innocuous at first, just passive control which you think shouldn't affect you too much and then fuck, you just start hemorrhaging resources.
French revolution with Napoleon combo deck, Will it work om current meta /tg/?
>>52611013Islamic or Islamic/CulturalMarxist/Feminist decks have weakness against secular nationalism deck, if you want buff it up add some False Flags or something from Populist set.
>>52621782And then there's this guy, but you know what they say, /tg/ is bad at Philosophy.
New player here, I'm interested in a Muslim deck but I'm not sure what variant I want to play.There's your typical ISIS deck but I'm not really that interested in that. If I go ISIS, I'm going to be running the Lone Wolf win condition and focusing on ideas that lower the opponent's stability. Failed Integration, Shariah Patrol, Immigrant Ghettos and so on. Stone the Infidel, Shoe Throw and even Race Card look like solid choices for Removal and if I remove a follower I like the look of, I could take it for myself with Prison Conversion.The other option is hard control Iran, either aiming for a normal Nuclear victory or the Islamic Enlightenment win condition. What cards should I use if I want to be ready for both? If my opponent keeps running idea and follower removal, I want to be able to drop Islamic Enlightenment and go for the basic Nuclear win-con.
>>52621883>Nuclear win>EverAll of the good Nuclear cards got cycled out after the Cold War line ended.
>>52621883If you're interested in EDH you can always play some Ataturk Secularism. Iran hard-control might be phasing out in a few blocks, a number of the new generation cards, mythics included, don't synergize as well with Revolutionary Agenda, which was hot back during the Cold War but on a steady decline since then. If you really want to be a fucking dick you can play Saudi ramp with OPEC or US support, but that isn't as strong as it used to be either.
>>52621941Don't listen to this chump, we're almost guaranteed to get a return block. The Second Cold War or the Cold War Never Ended, or something.Buy your playsets of Nuclear Proliferation, McCarthyism and Industrial Espionage today, before the price hike!
>>52621524Oprah spams ideals and builds massive market apeal and you dont think shes worth it? You can leave her out but get used to having your shit pushed in by new white supremacists played under neonationalist. (Fucking trump decks)
>>52622189>Trump decksThat does make me wonder if you could play a Nelson Mandela- Meme Magic combo
>>52622159This dude's just mad because he sculpted his wallet with a playset of Nuclear Proliferation before it got banned. Rumors that it's getting unbanned spread every once in a while and the price jumps on the secondary market, coincidence?
>>52622213Let me guess. Political Martyr targeting Nelson Mandela into Spinning in One's Grave targeting Nelson Mandela into Hate Symbol, for infinite Anonymous Frogposters?It's a pretty unlikely four card combo.
>>52621883Have you considered running a Iran deck? 1979 Revolution removes quite a few win conditions. Also they have a lot of options for Nuclear Victory win condition as well. Plus the Hezbollah card is very solid against Sunni type cards.
>>52622369Shia have so much potential, will they ever stop getting shafted?
>>52621650should try and get it archived
>>52622369If you're gonna go nuclear win you might AS well play northKorea commie or a USA deck with warhawks and interventionism
>>52621494You should take out two basic syllogisms and add in a couple Plantation Museums. If you're taking out White Guilt it's a good substitute, and they still enter the Public Forum untapped, and is only conditionally countered by Stand Your Ground Law.
>>52618034I'm in similar position with my anarchocapitalism deck, trying to stall other players while I rake in enough cash to trigger Corner the Market wincon.Couple guys were advising getting some Child Soldiers or setting up Privateers and International Waters combo. But I think the way to do it is to passively cause your enemies enough shit, that they are forced to deal with their internal problems instead of focusing on you. What I'm talking about is Hard Drugs Legalization. When you play it, all your neighbouring enemies get massive stability hit, with ideology subverted towards individualism and freedom. At the same time they start bleeding money right into my economy. They can't focus on military aggression on me without reinforcing their ideology first or I'll get enough influence to steal some of their cards. And to do that they have to block my Legalization's influence. This buys me time to set up Self-Organization and Emergent Order. After those are in play my economy becomes basically unstoppable. I can turtle myself with Recreational Thermonuclear Bombs and continually rebuy them from the graveyard after use. All this without even violating the NAP against other players, which gives me extra victory points.
>>52622022OPEC-supported decks fall apart vs people running Green Doctrine, starts slow but then just cranks out resources like crazy and NOPEs most of your Bought Leader shenanigans.
>>52622539Plantation Museums and White Guilt only function against Western decks. Good luck trying to pull that shit in a meta full of ISIS Muslims, Corporate Chinese and Federal Russians.
>>52613293>tfw all the best illuminati cards have silver borders.
>>52622752>tfw when all the capitalism-aligned mythics have golden borders
>>52622838>dat Invisible Hand artthat single card in mint condition sometimes goes for $10000
>>52622603Also due to some errata some OPEC combos don't work anymore. You can't just do a combo of Oil Exploitation into puppetization via Corporate Coup anymore. Shame, that startegy worked amazingly during the early-mid Cold War Bloc.
Anyone else here who's trying to run a hard fanatical catholic deck?The various spiritual doctrine cards counter Capitalist decks quite hard, and the lack of any conformity in types other than religious makes it hard for Cultural Marxist decks to get a grip. AND you still have enough fanaticism to handle nat-soc and islamist decks.The only counters, hard Protestant and Orthodox, are trashed by the current meta.
>>52622663>he doesn't run Moral Ally with Homefront Lobby for those sweet sweet Drone Strike tokensNot as great as when used with Israel decks but it's perfectly viable if you're not a total kiddie.
>>52623918Are you seriously suggesting trying to run a CIA-BLM deck?
>>52623991>Are you seriously suggesting trying to run a CIA-BLM deck?I wasn't, but since you're bringing it up? I've seen people do utterly retarded stunts with that sort of thing.Personally I'd suggest getting Think Tank, Media Contacts, Candid Editing Shadowy Donor and Info Flood if you want to run pure (and fluffy) BLM-CIA.It's pure Aggro cheese against WLD decks once Think Tank and Info Flood block their Educated Citizen nonsense.
>>52622541pure theoretical.Are you trying to copy old Roman empire collapse meta into the modem times?
Is it me or are the "conspiracy" cards getting stupider each printing?Also why do most of them end in -gate.
>>52615144>>52615150I prefer running with either the Tuning Fork Control deck or the Anti-Christ deck specifically designed to fuck over Christianity decks. Works pretty well all things considered.
>>52615454>Mfw Globalist-meta gets beaten by what was originally a Joke Deck>Mfw everyone and their mother Is trying to build their Meme Magic decks to look cool>Mfw half of them are trash because they don't understand the fundamental strategy behind meme magicI mean seriously, I saw someone try to do Globalist Meme Magic deck swapping out "Hive of Pariahs" and "Caustic Hatred" for "Trendy Niche Site" and "Bandwagon". Those two don't even synergize strongly enough with any of the Meme Magic abilities! That's why they're only ever used In Globalist decks as part of controlled narrative plays.Thank god Globalist Decks can't into Meme Magic. Other wise this meta would be even more cancerous.
>>52625985What about antipope decks?Do those work anymore, or did they go out when Protestant decks came into vogue?
>>52623991CIA+Cartels worked. Ramped into War On X too.
I'm starting to wonder why we even bother playing this game.
>>52623817It gets better, the rise in Black Catholic typing means with you can get some of the benefits of running certain (but not all) BLM as well! Also Deus Vult is making a comeback if you want a hard counter to ISIS decks.
>>52626242>Also Deus Vult is making a comeback if you want a hard counter to ISIS decks.Your forgetting that Deus Vult synergizes terrible with the new Pope and a majority of the Modern Catholic Cards. Everyone who wants to use Deus Vult either runs a Meme Magic Deck with Subversion or an Entho-Centric Nationalism Deck with Cultural Preservation.
>>52626242>running DV unironically They printed like 9 versions and only a few of them were that strong.
>>52615481I've been trying to make that system come true for years, but a genuine antagonist is hard to make and differing philosophical theories don't neccessarily lend themselves to contention, or easy stat modifications.
>>52615481>>52626472Isn't that literally what M:tA is?
>>52626113Just play fucking Protestant.
Halp /tg/I love the art and flavor of "Seize the Panchen Lama" and I've been trying to build a deck around it, but every iteration I try feels...well...suboptimal.I used to run exclusively nation-varying versions of Military-Industrial Complex (because apparently I never stopped being 13) and lately I've been a big fan of fake-out decks that start off with an M-IC setup but then plays, like C.Wright Mills or I Will Fight No More Forever to sack the M-IC setup for a nearly complete non military victory condition.With Seize the Panchen Lama I want to try that technique in reverse. Like start off with a Gelug Buddhism setup and make it seem like I'm building up one of those kitsch hippie Tibetan Rainbow Body win conditions.Then BAM Seize the Panchen Lama and convert all of my Tantric tokens into a fully realized Chinese M-IC setup. But man... Tibetan Buddhism early games are boring as fuck, dude. Maybe I just don't get it, maybe I haven't found a good early start to roll with. Maybe the fact that it's literally my plan to trash all my Eastern Enlightened for military power is getting in the way of my "getting it". It could also be that I'm not going back far enough into older sets, but I'd like to keep it Standard if I could. I don't know, I start reading through those cards and I fall asleep.Any suggestions?
>>52628129Be careful. Tibetan monks are vulnerable to burn decks.
>all these people aparently playing Politics: the Powerplay
>>52628357>being one of the 'the game went to shit when they released Socrates Militant' kidsThat would be a boring fucking game, if they didn't take it further in that direction.
>>52628357>>52628625Reminder that Argument by Violence was already a thing in the alpha, it's just that Eristics, which was supposed to be a gimmick handful of support cards that couldn't even make an archetype on their own, got turned into half the fucking game.
>>52628129You are failing because you are not doing the early game serfdom with tibetan deck.The discontent counters that builds up makes transition easier later.
>>52626467Yeah, an "Allahuakkbar" deck is way stronger.
>>52628357I'm like the only one who's even heard of Transcendental Draft in my area. If I try and talk about the post-structure block everyone gets mad about original meme magic in post-modern, and some dumb motherfucker keeps wanting me to play against theological marxist revival when the whole mechanic is mill-till-utopia. Once the deep designers figured out they could control rarity and Blue/Red binary sells the most the entire game went to shit.
Game is unplayable right now, reboot when?
>>52619671I would play the shit out of this game
I've been bringing out my old Lee Kuan Yew - Benevolent Dictator decks against the new BLM and protest decks and let me tell you it works like a charm. Rule Of Law and A "Fine" City kills their momentum dead in their tracks
>>52621494You're like a little baby OP. Dual Marxist/black nationalist decks are the way to go.>3x Lo'vature>3x Garvey>2x Du Bois>5x Malcom X>4x Stokely Carmichael>2x Angela Davis>2x BLM>4 X Black PanthersCombo this with a traditional Marx deck and you have a lead in straight into a Revolution wincon using cards that most people don't know shit about. Add in BLM to taste of you want, but I'm a traditionalist.>Fuck the meta, we're tearing shit up
>>52617082Deathbed Conversion was errated. Not a thread to Darwinist ramp decks anymore.
>>52621151-1 Martin Luther King-1 Nelson Mandela-1 Black Lives Matter-2 Political Martyr+1 White Guilt+4 Black PantherYou need more early game.
>>52611057Hermetic Magic is a shitty deck and has been unplayable since the Enlightenment expansion, though it was garbage long before then
>>52611013>Not playing christendom, full crusaders arsenalPlebeian
>>52616874The Collapse cards are really powerful in principle, because they're almost impossible to remove unless you're running Environmentalism (or at least have some in your sideboard). However, the cards that have been revealed so far seem to damage you about as much as your opponent, so I dunno how it'll play out. I'd like to run a Techno-Utopianism/Environmentalism Collapse deck, but yeah, so far it just looks like a bunch of great depression reprints.
Anyone tried the Shinto or Taoism builds?
>>52640248I ran an Empty Cup Tao deck for a bit. Pretty fun, you just draw until you deck yourself. Didn't really work though, no one else started playing Tao stuff after that.
Viable Existential Nihilism deck when?
>>52640866The closest you've got is Absurdism Ramp. Use cards like Pataphysics, Six Meanings of Life and Circular Logic to get Sisyphus on the board as quickly as you can. Be sure to counter any removal, so Sisyphus can safely lock down the board with the perpetuity of futility and grind down your opponent.Nietzsche is the only real choice for standard Nihilism and that's mainstream and boring.
>>52640990So you don't put Satre in your deck? I thought it was an auto-include.I tried the more modern twist running Crosby but it feels that the deck achieves nothing, or is that the point?
>>52641081Crosby belongs in a Tolstoy shell, without a doubt.
>>52640990You can run kierkegaard instead. I can usually keep board control with fear&trembling and sickness&death for removal until I can drop a Knight Of Faith. Knight of Faith is pretty insane.
>>52641210Kierkegaard decks rely too much on the Leap of Faith synergy.
>>52641500Yeah, its more a kitchen table deck. You can sometimes swing an ineffable moral highground on Humanism based stuff but its janky. I like it, but even with Vicarious Causation it doesn't have enough traction against modernist type.
MFW all the 13 year old edgelords try to run Objectivist decks built around Ayn Rand but realise too late that while there are some individually powerful cards in the deck there is no synergy and it all collapses after a few turns.Despite it being clearly shit-tier you constantly get autists trying to claim it is the best thing ever.
>>52622022>>52622603>OPEC or Green Doctrine>when Fracking and Oil Sands was in the latest blockGreen Doctrine is shit. Its only use is its ability to gain rapid influence, but that influence can only be spent on shit like Wind Mills or Solar Plant, which are fucking piss and shit compared to what you can get with an OPEC deck, and Fracking and Oil Sands singlehandedly managed to let WLB not only made Green obsolete, albeit F&OS has a slightly higher influence cost than Green, it also manages to directly counter OPEC decks.WLB manages to once again come out on top, fags.
>>52626467>9 of themYou fucking new to the game?The original 9 prints with the gold outline, yeahYou forget the Saxony print, the five or so Baltic prints, and the Reconquista print. Even if you weren't playing a Catholic or Christian deck, each of which are fucking key for HRE decks, even if they're a meme now, Prussia/Germany decks, and Spanish colonization decks respectively
>>52640990>>52641210>>52641500>He doesn't run Camus in a Kierkegaard shellYeah, Leap of Faith doesn't synergize well with Camus, but if you add in some Heidegger, you can offset the lack of synergy by synergizing Leap of Faith with Being and Time, so that you combine Sisyphus with another Leap of Faith, which frankly just stomps on everything
>>52642010Leap of Faith is hard countered by the Nietzsche/Gott ist tot play. The Nietzsche player then accelerates towards their Übermensch endgame win condition.
>>52611346You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.I run Diogenes/Heraclitus tho.It's fire all the way down.
>>52642010>>52642146Has anyone tried Eternal Return with LoF? I think it gives you infinite tokens but they might all have to be different each time.
>>52613293All the cool kids run Discordian combo
>>52641837Spanish Colonization deck was great. With Cortes you could abuse Aztec cards to create a lot of tokens so your high powered cards never got touch by the opponent, who had to deal with Aztec token army. But then the errata came in and the combo was unusable anymore. Shame about that.
>>52615077Taoism is objectively better; it even lets you upgrade units to 'immortals' which can't be removed from the field of discourse
>nobody running caligula apologistShit taste everywhere
>>52615133Do you have Roman von Ungern-Sternberg?
>>52612907Mornington Crescent is the best game.I'm still upset I couldn't get tickets to see 2016 worlds live.