Caliphate, China, United States

>>52477373
Well, I mean, I wouldn't mind seeing an evil space empire headed by someone like Cromwell in a similar situation to real life. Maybe the Byzantines during one of their periodical 'lets fuck everything up' sessions, or Karl XII's Swedish Empire that quickly expanded and became a top tier power before suddenly coming down and dying a slow death that was remarkably quick compared to most empires' lifespans.

>>52477373
Tsarist Russia, especially WWI era Tsarist Russia.

You got a backwards, despotic, dystopian, semi-feudal society that's starting to fall apart because their absolute ruler, might be a good guy personally, is a terrible ruler. Especially since his kid has started getting sick and the only guy that can cure the boy is an evil wizard that's slowly usurping control of the state.

>>52477373
Revolutionary France, either pre or post Napoleon. With the first, you have an ancient regime self-destructing, with leaders constantly shifting as they lock in to a fanatical death spiral. In contrast, Napoleonic era France is an expansionist empire led by a ruthless killer who is seemingly unbeatable in battle, leads a fanatically loyal army, and intends to reshape the world according to his own whims.

>>52477570
That wizard was a man of god and he never touched the Tzar's wife.

>>52477373
British Empire, Spanish Empire and Mughals

>>52477475
>Byzantines during one of their periodical 'lets fuck everything up' sessions
You Lombards get off my lawn!

>>52477599

I don't think I ever said that he di-

Rasputin, is that you?

>>52477402
>United States

You'll end up with a Futurama-esque campaign.

>>52477373
Egypt. Stargate did a hell of a job with Spess Pharaohs.

>>52477373
The British Empire or Belgium at the height of colonialism both did some pretty awful things as part of their mercantile efforts. Having an evil space empire that was more focussed on money-making than conquest could be an interesting variation.

>>52477731
So, Space Jews as Goebbels would have written them?

>>52477373
Think of any moderately successful people from the perspective of their enemies.

France, Great Britain, and the US are great ones.

>>52477667
What are you talking about, anon? I--Rasputin is dead. They shot him, remember? Nobody could survive that.

>>52477831
Yes

>>52477373

Red Khemers.

>>52477373
GB Empire.

>>52477633
Fuck off back to your shitty Greek and Turkish shitstain of an empire, you pathetic excuse for a Roman successor state.

>>52477373
Chinese Empire or Imperialistic Japan

>>52477373
Imperial Japan: the Murderhobo of Nations.

>>52477475
>Karl XII's Swedish Empire
You mean Cardinal Richelieu's Swedish Empire.

Rockefellers.

File: 2CCEE6A9-CA06-4F55-B5C3-4(...).jpg (68 KB, 600x420)

68 KB JPG

I think the British Empire is a good one, especially if you have East India Trading Company equivalents.
Aliens without ideology who just want to take your shit. They'll work together with you, but only because it lets them take al your shit easier. And if you cut into their profits by disobeying they'll murder you without a blink.
The opium wars were literally Britain getting mad that the Chinese wanted to crack down on opium addiction.
Plus, they'll learn about your culture and exploit it against you. Blowing up Indian rebels with cannons meant that they could have proper funeral rites.

North Korea.

>>52478844
Hilariously, the opium trade into China only started en masse because Britain was getting mad jelly of all the wealth flowing from Europe to China because of the high demand for chinese imports such as tea, silk and porcelain, while the chinese didn't really want anything the British had other than money. So some bright spark at the East India Company came up with the idea of growing shit tonnes of opium, auctioning it off to independent European traders who then sold it into China through the sole trading port of Canton. Being pretty fucking addictive this reversed the flow of wealth as demand for opium sky-rocketed.

The Chinese Emperor then tried banning the opium trade, and seized a shit load of opium, closed trade and confined the British to their quarters, and worst of all, didn't pay for the opium, which gave the British the excuse they needed to blow some shit up and force the Chinese to give them better trade deals.

They later decided that the terms they'd been given weren't good enough and so had a second war, generously allowing the French and US to join in

File: 1490914594423.png (457 KB, 767x655)

457 KB PNG

>>52477572
I think this is a good one. Not because I agree, but because it concisely points out what makes an empire evil: being on the business end of their guns/spears.

>>52477831
>>52477667
>implying Rasputin isn't the OG Wandering Jew

>>52478489
We're not successor state, you dumb unwashed Frank

File: Willem.png (281 KB, 682x1024)

281 KB PNG

The Dutch empire was pretty comfy

Belgium would make the Terran Empire look nice.

The british empire
Germans at any time period.

>>52477373
If you do a proxy for the British Empire, one area you should definitely explore is how the Brits doggedly kept up the kayfabe that they were the benevolent caretakers of a bunch of ungrateful lesser peoples who needed--but tragically refused--their guidance. This is what >>52478844 gets wrong, the Empire did have an ideology, an ideology that believed in he supremacy of middle-class English values and that the responsibility to export those values to the rest of the world, and it used that ideology the same way all ideologies are used--to grease the wheels of exploitation.

The Brits knew how to turn every one of their deaths into mass media outrage while whitewashing or outright erasing the millions of corpses left in their wake. To this end they were also masters of Not Murdering People, Just Causing Them To Die. They didn't need to burn down villages or line people up before firing squads(though they did) they would just move entire populations into concentration camps where they had no food or adequate sanitation, or order farmers to grow jute for sandbags instead of food, and just let nature take its course. It served an important role in providing a way to turn their myriad atrocities into regrettable but unforeseeable tragedies.

That's what would make the British Empire In Space such a great villain, it's not their evil actions that make you hate them, but their complete self-satisfaction while doing them.

>>52477373
Flying pyramids we wuz kangs empire.
if it was written by /pol/
Mayans could work they're pretty nasty, if you think of space akin to water you could chose a seafaring nation like the vikings. Your empire could just like raiding and exploring.

>>52477373
The Spanish during the Renaissance era. Their conquerors are semi-independant freebooters not really bound on actually developing their colonies, just looting and flying away. They seek an imaginary planet somewhere in the universe, where they believe all the gold is.

The French during Louis XIV's reign : ruled by an absolute monarch who believes he's a god (it goes quite deeper than that, actually), decadent, aristocratic, and surprisingly cultured. They waste an insane amount of money on frivolities, like, cargoing water from an ocean world to fuel the King's waterpool, and they go to war only for the diplomatic reputation.

>>52477373
Spanish Empire.
Plot twist: They're the good guys who did nothing wrong but everyone else is a dipshit

>>52480388
>>52480469
You both have very different ideas of the Spanish Empire and you are both wrong.

Spanish developed and invested in their colonies much more than their british and portuguese counterparts, the reason they ended up under developed is that their economic and politic model was out dated.

But they were genocidal zealots and notoriously bad to anyone, including their own subjects, based on race, class, religion. Basically spanish nobility/wealthy citizens always had a reason to despise the lower classes and each other. Either for not being catholic enough, for having moorish, black, native blood on their lineage somewhere, or for coming from the 'wrong' part of spain (anywhere but Castella), or for not having enough money.

And they were indirectly responsible for the death of literal millions in just a couple centuries. While they didnt invested so heavily in the slave market as the portuguese did, they did insist on the notion of changing the natives, rather than killing all of them outright, which lead to, ironically, more deaths and pain.

>>52477402
>United States

> Nation actively suppresses innovation and intelligence
> Uses industrial might to interfere in the affairs of other nations
> Eventually collapses under the weight of it's own stupidity after outsourcing any real jobs to the other nations
> Becomes a population of inbred retarded subsistence farmers scratching their backsides while trying to farm rocks

>>52478972
Poppies are still banned in China. You can't eat poppyseed bagels there.

>>52478844
I don't want to defend execution by cannon, or the British colonialism in general, but those executions happened in bloodthirsty retaliation after the 1857 uprising, where formerly loyal soldiers literally chopped up their commanders, + wives and children with knives, raped and drowned civilians after surrendering and making terms, etc. etc.
The Indian Uprising was off the fucking hook on all sides, and the East India Company took some awful fucking revenge, but it was revenge, not just wanton bloodlust.

>>52480512
Ah Spain the empire with so much gold it caused Inflation and made everyone gunning for them. I do love a good pirate, spanish treasure ship story though.

File: 1483155825649.jpg (342 KB, 812x2202)

342 KB JPG

>>52480512
>Genocidal.
Wut. It was more about fucking the native puss after the plagues than intentional genocide bro, the Spaniards supplanted the native culture and tried to absorb them in they image, but they respected the "fueros" of the natives than helped them like the Tlaxcalans and later natives than were used as auxiliaries, you can still find lots of traditions in Mexico or any other iberian colony with all as fuck roots, with only a thinly painted Catholic/christian paintjob.

>>52480653
>You will never be a young Spanish conquistador about to set sail to smash some brown puss with dubious consent but it's okay because they're not Catholic yet

>>52480521

you retarded
fuck you

File: city_of_newcrest_by_orelf(...).jpg (240 KB, 1346x594)

240 KB JPG

>>52480521
Pfff
listen to this
>nation of settlers from different worlds all over
>has lots of elements of other cultures, but no unifying identity
>becomes the face of the UN equivalent due to its multiculturalism
>team america, galaxy police
>mishmash of cultures waters down into a themepark version of everything with a big consumerism base
>diplomatic ties and media allow it to spread its culture
>its culture is basically just one of fake authenticity
>its vassal states are not explicit vassal states, just reliant on its military and drip fed their cultureless culture
>"vassal states" slowly converting completely to tourism based economies with easily digestable themepark versions of their old culture
>anybody to wanting to make it big and not be a tourist attraction has to move to the states for their career and help perpatrate this trend
>generic allience of planets is actually a black hole of homogenuity that all member states get pulled into, until everyone is the same
imagine europe slowly turning into canada because everyone only consumes american media and adapts to american sensibilities

>>52480653
While portuguese accidentaly wiped out millions with many misguided policies or outright lack of care, spanish settlements were famous for sending out expeditions with the sole purpose of wiping out tribes at a time, so hundreds, thousands at best. it's less than millions, but the intent was genocidal. And when the tlaxcalans got out of hand and went full bloody sacrifice on the aztecs civilians, the spanish did not broke a sweat trying to stop it.

According to geoligical research around Aztec cities and what we know of their means of productions, it's believe by the time of Cortez arrival, Tenochtilan had more people living in it than the largest city of europe by then (I believe Toledo was the most popular center in europe by then with 30k thousand people and Tenochtilan was around 70k people). There were about 3 million natives living in the central america between the isles and the yukatan peninsula.

Two centuries later, and there are less than 100k.

>>52477831
You sound pretty well-versed on Rasputin, was it true he had a dick 35 cm long when erect?

>>52480999
36.5, why do you ask?

>>52480302
Shoot mang, that's a dang good angle

>>52480611
Nah, it's cool, thanks for clearing that up. While I was thinking purely in "bad guy" aspects, context for doing that is appreciated. How would the PCs react when people claiming to be on their side also act monstrous?

>>52480980
>(I believe Toledo was the most popular center in europe by then with 30k thousand people and Tenochtilan was around 70k people).
>During the 16th century, Paris was the largest city in Europe, with a population of about 350,000 in 1550.

>>52480521
So Rome?

>>52480653
That's also why those places are shitholes today. Brits didn't dip their pens in the local inkwells too often, and so the US and the Commonwealth states are pretty much white countries except for SA (which is its own cautionary tale anout colonialism and egalitarian law being a poor match).
Meanwhile en Nueva España:
>breed Spanish temper with native low IQ, propensity for human sacrifice, etc.
>raise them in pagan barbarism thinly disguised as Catholicism
>instill the Spanish traditions of honor heavy culture and violent problem resolution
>what could possibly go wrong :DDDDDDDD

>>52480784
Calm down on the political and cultural mumbo jumbo.
The US has overthrown quite a few democratic elected governments, why not use that as a basis?
Space US is in a cold war with [generic other culture] and is doing some nasty stuff in the name of the greater good.

>>52477373
The Swiss

Neo-Assyrian for instant brutal win

>>52480784
>imagine europe slowly turning into canada because everyone only consumes american media and adapts to american sensibilities
You basically described modern Sweden.

>>52480784
>no unifying identity
Commies like you get thrown out the airlock in Space America. Real Americans do have a sense of identity as such. You're just so hopped up on globalist propaganda that you can't tell the difference between honesty and irony anymore.

>>52478911
>North Korea
Cartoon supervillianry at its finest.

>>52477373
Pretty much any of the colonial powers will do.

>British
Pretty much a cross between the Star Wars Galactic Empire, and a Kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare. All forms need to be filled out in six dimensional triplicate.

>Germany
Holy crap, you guys don't have beer. Fuck now we have to oppress you and build some breweries on your planet.

>Belgium
An empire of murderhobbos. Kill the natives for xp, lols, and their stuff.

>>52481662
are you wearing jeans or lederhosen, fine consumer?

>>52477373
>Aztec empire
Conquering or raiding other systems for blood tribute. This empire practices some kind of spiritual biotechnology. They experiment, and vivisect the tributes in the hopes of evolving themselves into the ultimate life form.

File: f168877e03781c89e849eef5c(...).gif (1.3 MB, 500x375)

1.3 MB GIF

>>52477373
Resurrecting an idea from the retro science fiction thread.

>an empire of radioactive undead communists. All are equal in undeath.

Inca Thanatocracy (rule by the dead) the Incas had to expand with every new emperor, as he couldn't claim the territories of his dad, grandpa, etc - their mummies still ruled as avatars of the Sun God (with sun priests "interpreting" their will)

>>52477570
Check out Nikolai Dante for a series based around this setting.

File: Coat_of_arms_of_the_Repub(...).png (238 KB, 600x643)

238 KB PNG

Ugandan Republic under Idi Amin.
"Nationalist" military dictatorship supported by greater outside powers, lots of embezzlement, frequent purges and terrorization of enemies internal and external, horrific tortures and executions, all led by a cartoonish villain.

>>52481619
Isn't being pro-guns integral part of American believes while Sweden is strictly anti-guns?

>>52482005
You could also play reggae in the background for this campaign because Idi Amin is a folk hero for rastafarians.

>>52482011
Integral to about a third of the population, important to about half.

>>52477373
Khmer Rouge

>>52482050
Pretty important third, considering it includes wildlife and natural resource managers and conservationists

Austria-Hungary.

>>52482129
I'm not saying it isn't important. I'm saying it's not considered a core value by a large amount of American people. I don't even consider it a core value and I'm not anti-gun at all.

File: Timurid.svg.png (41 KB, 2000x1333)

41 KB PNG

Timur.

File: execution-de-louis-xvi[1].jpg (1.03 MB, 1316x863)

1.03 MB JPG

>>52477373
REVOLUTIONARY FRANCE!

>>52481913
Neither. I'm shitposting naked.

File: Jan_van_Leiden_by_Aldegrever.jpg (431 KB, 800x1124)

431 KB JPG

>>52477373
The Spanish Empire, since it's horrifically underrepresented.

Alternately, a lot more interestingly, Jan van Leyden's Munster. A religious cult, previously assumed to be pacifistic has seized control of a massive city with amazingly strong walls. The cult, led by Leyden (Who's now claiming to be a prophet) slaughters the non-believers and forces everyone into polygamy and communal property ownership. His forces then manage to hold off a siege by the entire might of the HRE for three years. Just change it so that he ends up winning the siege and going on a conquering spree, instead of what really happened. Since in real history, Munster fell, his skin was ripped off with him still alive, his tongue was cut out with a hot poker, and his heart stabbed by a flaming dagger.

File: 220px-Franz_Conrad_von_Hö(...).jpg (12 KB, 220x280)

12 KB JPG

>>52482173

As their military forces are lead by mr awesome name: Conrad von Hötzendorf.

>>52481330
to all you people who shout /pol/ at every thing slightly right of center, this is what real /pol/ looks like

>>52482309
Maybe not an empire, but I can see that happening to some Space Station or converted Asteroid the PCs used to hang out at.

File: 1434735715205.png (1.28 MB, 2480x3508)

1.28 MB PNG

>>52477373
>What are good real world cultures to make evil space empires based off
Space Ottomans would be amazing.

File: klemens_von_metternich_bio.jpg (251 KB, 550x380)

251 KB JPG

>>52482173
>Ancient Empire that's been around for nearly a thousand years
>Most of its actual staying power has been via strategic marriages and conquests of less powerful nations
>Militarily it's decently incompetent, considering the massive difficulty in having 8 official languages
>Fracturing at the seams due to having 12 different nationalism movements in its borders
>Literally only being held together by one brilliant arch-conservative politician
I mean, if you like your evil empires being sickly and decadent, sure

>>52482435
That sounds fantastic, actually.

>>52482435
This sounds like a beautiful clusterfuck. I need to run campaign in not!Austria one day.

File: smugnapoleon.jpg (7 KB, 165x200)

7 KB JPG

>>52482268
>Never was the aggressor in any conflict
>Did nothing wrong
>Being conquered by everyone at once for being different
>Actually the good guys

File: Crown-Prince Rudolf.jpg (17 KB, 236x327)

17 KB JPG

>>52482484
>>52482537
Be sure to include the fact that the Emperor is a doddering fool after the Crown-Prince shot himself and his lowborn lover after the Emperor refused to let them marry. The only heir is a nice guy, but a politically inept Archduke who wants reconciliation with the Slavs.

And Strauss music. Be sure to place the Kaiserwaltzer at least once.

File: Leopold 2 please.png (762 KB, 1100x1000)

762 KB PNG

Belgium for sure.

>>52482484
>>52482537
The Leviathan trilogy would be a great setting for that.
>WWI
>Charles Darwin had somehow discovered genetic engineering
>Allies use biotech monsters for everything
>Central Powers use steampunk mecha
>the Ottomans and Americans use a mix of both

>>52481963
Link to that thread?

>>52482402
They better be opposed by the notorious tyrant Vlad the Expeller, known for having thrown 20,000 Ottoman prisoners out the airlock.

>>52481086
Yeah the British Empire was great at doing the poor-me act after massacring a group of natives.

It's like that old joke: A British soldier is beating a Irishman with the butt of his rifle and the Irishman puts his hands up and asks, "Why do you hate us so much?"

The soldier leans down and hisses, "You bastard, we'll never forgive you for what we did to you."

>Forgetting best Korea

File: Zapp Brannigan.jpg (26 KB, 400x400)

26 KB JPG

>>52481554
Oh, how I hate the Swiss.

File: Spoiler Image (34 KB, 700x514)

34 KB JPG

>>52481086
>good angle

>>52477373
Imperial Japan. The Caliphate

>>52482026
April fools? Or did you seriously confuse emprah Haile Selassie with Amin?

Normans, although you might make bad ass evil space empire.

Heres a very short brainstorm

>Descended from a wave of techno barbarians that begun an age of war and chaos coming from the edge of civilzation
>Most barbarians were driven off but a few were so formidable that they were incorporated as a Great House with its own planets and part of the broader galactic community
>However, unable to shed their core values and their realm is full of backstabbing
>To stop this bloodshed, significant numbers of non first born children were sent across the galaxy to "make a name" for themselves
>These battle hardened barbarian princes sold their services to the highest bidder and with some cunning and guile, they carve out bigger and bigger little fiefdoms and for a while it is good

The setting begins at a time where the galaxy approaches a second age of war as these Space Norman enclaves begin to bump borders and fight each other. Any little spark can set off a chain of alliances, marriages and sworn oaths to break everything down.

>>52483905
Klingons?

>>52480319
>Flying pyramids we wuz kangs empire
So like stargate?

>>52483888
nice trips
But no, some Rastafari believe/believed Amin was great and the negative shit (like murdering the hell out of his people) was just propaganda from Babylon (which is the USA, globalism, Jews, Arabs, pretty much anything an isolated island stoner would be afraid of/The Man/The Devil).

Here's a song I know that references Idi Amin in a positive light with other Rastafari heroes and martyrs. Granted this is from 1982 so I guess less probably buy into that idea now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quktsQ7oXzM

>>52482435
Tell us more.

>>52482435
sounds like the empire from Legend of the Galatic Heros, Which was also based on the Austria-Hungarian/German Monarchies.

>>52482435

Also incest-heavy arranged marriages to keep the lands in the family's hands.

>>52480784

Slighting horse hockey like this is enough to raise a man's blood.

>>52480302
also lots of anal rape in the interrogation centres, this went on until the late 1970s in NI.

>>52477373
Mongolians

>>52482937
Fuck you irish bitch

>>52477373
The whole reign of Vlad the Impaler?

Update his agonizing executions to some sort of virtual hell. Pay homage to the blood-sucking by having the victim's bodies being used for breeding bionanos, drained through their blood.

Late Ottoman Empire could be interesting for the 'crumbling superpower' aesthetic.

>>52482435

"That extraordinary empire known as the Austrian-Hungarian Dual Monarchy is less an Empire or a Kingdom or a State than the personal property of the Habsburgs, whose hereditary talent for the acquisition of land is recorded on the map of Europe today!"

>>52482763
I like that, being 'spaced' is a pretty terrible way to go

>>52477373

America.

>>52482937
>Irishman forgets about all those bombed civilians
More at 11

>>52485313
When was that quote written? Because today Austria is the size of fucking Belgium.

Which is said. All great European powers of the past have something to show for it. France, Britain, Germany, even Spain is a somewhat big player despite centuries of attempting to destroy itself. But none have fallen as low as Austria, which went from being one of the premier players on the world stage to being literally less important than Luxembourg. At least Luxembourg has the European Court of Justice.

>>52485409
>bombed civilians
Yeah, remember how half of Manchester died during the Manchester bombings?

>>52477373
The UN. They send Muslim colonists to previously peaceful planets and then shame the previous occupants for not liking it.

>>52482750
It is archived

>>52337307

>>52480521
>it's own stupidity
>it's
Ironic

>>52485441

>we placed a 3500lb bomb in an area with ~80,000 people in the effect radius but it's alright because we let them know before it went up and only several hundred got hurt

>>52482356
Austria-Hungary, a nation where your rank is determined by your mustache. Doesn't matter if you're hilariously incompetent, if yo've got awesome whiskers you get a position of power.

>>52485409
>Englishman forgets about all those people who starved to death due to the British Empire's incompetent management

The grievances of the Irish didn't spring from nothing.

>>52485488
Yeah. Your point being? That's incredibly in line with international legislation for an act of war, much more so than for example what the Murilards are doing in the Middle East with their drones and collateral damage bombings.

Not even Irish but even I can tell that the IRA was pretty gentlemanly about the entire war (which was incredibly low intensity. Even if we count military victims the total death toll over the entire 30 year conflict was only slightly more than the death toll of 9/11 in half an hour).

>>52485441
Just because you did a shitty job at it doesn't make you any less a murderer

>>52480302
No-one can be as smug as the British while they conquer your shit in.

>>52485529
It's not a "shitty job" if you want all civillians to get away in the first place.

>>52485521

have a bomb in your town placed by a terrorist and see how you like it

>>52485521
"gentlemanly" god damn I hate IRA sympathisers, using fucking car bombs everywhere is not gentlemanly at all.

>>52477572
I'd point out the honor Harrington series, but even in April 1st, I can't rightly recommend it

>>52477703
You're only making it sound more appealing.

>>52485521
You realize that the population of northern Ireland is significantly smaller that the population of just NYC, let alone the surrounding area?

>>52477373
>Empire
>Evil

pick one

>>52485695
>>52485746
War isn't a pleasant thing. I'd just be happy I was warned in time to evacuate. It's what separates the IRA from ISIS: the IRA wanted to do economic damage and occassionally remind their enemies they're still around and dangerous. They didn't actively set out to kill as many civillians as possible. Otherwise they would've just bombed Manchester without warning.

>>52485909
A few bombings in Britain and they could've easily exceeded that death toll if they wanted to. Hell, maybe even a single well placed bomb in London could get the job done. They just didn't want to do that. Because, you know, they're not Muslim savages.

>>52477373
WW2 Era Japan hits a lot of the notes sociologically, as well as strategically.

>>52477373
>evil

>>52484312
If we're going with, say, Austria in 1830
>Rulers used to be in charge of all the HRE from 1438 until 1806, when Napoleon dismantled it
>They managed to hold on to what's now Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Southern Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Serbia, and northeast Italy
>The Emperor is epileptic, hydrocephalen, schizophrenic, and more.
>The only real order he ever gave was to demend apricot dumplings in december before refrigeration
>The entire empire is run by his advisers, notably the absolutely brilliant womanizing arch-conservative Klemens von Metternich, who was responsible for the entire post-Napoleonic world order
>Metternich, now basically running the entire state, is obsessed with keeping a constant balance of power between Russia, France, the German States, and England
>The Empire is being torn apart by 9 nationalist movements
>The army is an inefficient waste due to the 10 official languages it needs to deal with, not including dialects
>The aristocracy is more concerned with poetry, music, art, and ballrooms than it is with proper governance
>None of the nationalist movements inside the empire can get along, especially the Poles, Ukrainians and the Hungarians

Spoiler alert, the nationalist movements boil over in 1848

>>52485420
The issue with that, I think, is that the Hapsburgs were the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Germans, Italians, and the French could afford to lose their monarchies because there was some form of nationalism. There was no Austrian nationalism, just loyalty to the Hapsburg line.

>>52485928
What intrinsic property makes empires incapable of ethical failings?

>>52486191
the only ethical failings within empires are those of the people who defy the emperors will. As the emperor is the living manifestation of all that his people should aspire to be.

>>52485458
Sweet, thanks

>CTRL-F "Zulu"
>No results
>I'm disappointed in all of you

>>52477373
I once had setting that amounted to Fantasy Spain with Orcs and Goblins united under Rakshasa filling in as Muslims. Dwarves were basically Sephardic Jews

File: Napoopan.jpg (238 KB, 640x904)

238 KB JPG

>>52477572
Plus points if the second happens to be the good guy.

>>52480980
>killing enemies is genocide

>>52477373
Assyria.
A highly militaristic society which glorifies the carnage it causes who have no problem with turning their foes into mountains of flayed skin decorated with forests of impaled men or force marching entire ethnicities from one side of the empire to the other. Add to that fervant religious indoctrination in a religion which preaches that they are saving the world.
While doing all these heinous deed they are also the most culturally sophisticated society around with a high focus on litteracy and record keeping.

>>52481880
>Pretty much a cross between the Star Wars Galactic Empire, and a Kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare. All forms need to be filled out in six dimensional triplicate
Pretty sure that's the french.

>>52486698
How does anyone forget Assyria?

>>52486425
I suppose you mean the Caliphate of Cordoba.

>>52486394
Can't do that in 2017, too racist.

>>52477373
How has this thread lasted this long without mention of the Prussians?

Ignorant people make them out to be proto-Nazis, but really, there's quite a lot of difference.

>>52486626
>Waging war with the purpose of wiping out a culture/ethnicity/nationality, rather than seizing control of resources or land, isn't genocide.

Like, by it's very definition.

>>52485444
top kek

>>52486911
>impliying the objective wasn't always seizing control of resources and/or evangelization

>>52486020

what's the point of the coercing gesture if it doesn't have the intent to carry out the deed

"I've got this dagger at your throat over this minor dispute, but I'm a nice guy and didn't gut you like a fish, but I could at any time

regards, a nice guy who just wants you to see things my way and doesn't want you to get hurt or anything"

>>52487100
Economic damage is a thing, you know. Their enemy was the British government, not so much the innocent man on the street.

>>52487146
Oh and I'm sure he took great comfort from that, you evil bastard.

>>52480319
>Flying pyramids we wuz kangs empire.
Necrons?

>>52487885
Negrons

>>52477373
Inquisition Catholics

>>52488054
Which inquisition? The majority of the inquisitions, which were just regular heresy trials being performed under a normal legal system? Or the Spanish inquisition, which was a secular attempt at creating a national identity?

>>52488098
The Spanish Inquisition was required to give at least 30 days notice to any accused so that they could prepare a legal defense.

Therefore, it's entirely accurat eto say everyone expects the Spanish Inquisition.

>>52488054
Fuck off with your black legend bollocks

>>52488142
>Muh evil inquisition
The only people who treat the Inquisition as some sort of Stalinist purge are people who haven't studied it at all

>>52488230
They were actually quite progressive for their era. For instance, they introduced standards of evidence for witch trials including requiring sworn corroborating witness testimony of magical acts, at which point successful prosecutions of witches plummeted because, get this, prior to that 99% of accusers of witchcraft were making it up.

>>52481023
>36.5, why do you ask?
BUSTED. I knew it was you!

>>52477730
We wuz kangs

>>52477373
Trump's America as seen by liberals.

>>52482364
>to all you people who shout /pol/ at every thing slightly right of center, this is what real /pol/ looks like

Yup. I'm so very glad they're getting raped by horsecock right now. I hope Hiro makes it permanent.

>>52488689
Eh, if Hero keeps it then they will eventually stop being raped
After all you can't be raped if you are willing

File: mlpol.jpg (232 KB, 750x450)

232 KB JPG

>>52488689
I lurked there out of morbid curiosity. They seem to be getting along well. /pol/ gets to redpill /mlp/ about "da joos" and in return /mlp/ gets to dump their horse porn on a red board.
I do not want my far-right bullshit to be served with a side of underage cartoon horse porn. I'd take /pol/ alone any day over such a wretched amalgam.

Seriously, DON'T GO THERE!

>>52477373
The Etoro tribe from Papua New Guinea!

>>52486394
>space zulu
Wouldn't work, they got crushed the first time they ran up against a modern power.

>>52486698
>Assyria
Sounds too stereotypically "mwahahahahaaa I'm EVIL." Might just as well use Nazis.

>>52482216
That is one scary-ass flag.

>>52477373
I think a Cromwellian state would be a really good option. Religious fanatics overthrow the monarchy to fasten a sort of quasi-theocracy upon the people. Now that I think of it, Iran works in this vein too.

File: 2000px-Flag_of_The_Common(...).png (30 KB, 2000x1600)

30 KB PNG

>>52488968
Forgot muh flag.

>>52488810
>far-right bullshit to be served with a side of underage cartoon horse porn.
BWAHAHAHA holy hell.

>>52488968

I think our society could use a bit of cleaning up to be perfectly honest, shame he was a prat and messed it all up.

File: 1427641615701.jpg (116 KB, 946x844)

116 KB JPG

>>52488968
>Religious fanatics overthrow the monarchy to fasten a sort of quasi-theocracy upon the people
And as is common in fantasy, we must exaggerate these threats.
>The not-Cromwellian Lord Protector outlaws fun
>Children caught playing games are executed in public
>The onlookers neither cheer nor boo, they just nod in acknowledgement of the events transpiring before them

>>52489067

no need to execute children, they are modifiable

>>52486698
ASSYRIA [3rd or 4th] WORST EMPIRE
3039 [one of the] WORST YEAR[s] OF MY LIFE
REMOVE ASSYRIA
REMOVE

>>52477373
Venice: Enrico Dandolo

>>52478769
What? They were so far apart in time. Even if we went the "Tools of the anti-Hapsburgs" route, that would still only apply for about the 40 years' war.

>>52490716
Typo. 30 years'.

>>52486732
Quite possibly most of the European powers. I did learn that the British burned a massive amount of paperwork and files when they withdrew from the colonies.

The Lord's Resistance Army's a decent reference.
Hard to track down, wavingly xenophobic, notorious for abducting children and coercing them to fight for their cause...

File: 1491088896230.jpg (80 KB, 607x551)

80 KB JPG

>>52477373
>Evil

The dualistic concept itself should be questioned in any good setting, you can base an evil empire off of anything. I'd love to see democracy put up as an evil empire based on crowd control and propoganda with a few oligarchs reigning supreme over their cattle. But then again I could just read the news and see that irl.

File: 19.12.png (606 KB, 812x503)

606 KB PNG

>>52485518

>>52490806
>wavingly xenophobic, notorious for abducting children and coercing them to fight for their cause...

You could say the same for SJW's and their anti "western" values. Just like how these same SJW's leave their overpopulated cities citing violence among "urban" youth.

Another thing I'd like to see in a good setting are kin strife and race wars.

>>52490955
Inter generational kin strife based would be amazing. Fallout type post apocalyptic settings based around contemporary cultural inter generational conflict as is the fashion with post apoclyp c setting mixed in with sci-fi elements is my waifu

File: 1489084903473.jpg (43 KB, 600x333)

43 KB JPG

>>52477373
since no one can discuss islamic cultures without getting /pol/-tier...

Safavid Iran. A religious theocratic institutions in which power is dominated by a cadre of foreign religious scholars who clash with the secular bureaucrats trying to keep the damn thing functioning, whilst the emperor/supreme leader is a product of harem politics and therefore fuckig useless at governance and dominated by his regents. Army based off of captured slaves indoctrinated into the crazy cult and worship the emperor like a god.

All whilst the Turks are acting like drunken hooligans and undermining the army and the Uzbeks are invading and fucking everything up. AGAIN.

Nice taste in architecture at least.

>>52480521
middle two are accurate, but there's tons of push in the US for innovation and intelligence, and there's too much static social inertia and people just have it too good for anyone to be willing to fuck with it too much

File: the name's Dante, Dante t(...).jpg (1.81 MB, 1902x1284)

1.81 MB JPG

>>52481997

>>52481880
Space British empires are the vogunaughts from hitchhikers guide

>>52482937
Ah yes. The old joke about the Irish forever ignoring Thier own history

>>52494456
That's a very good joke describing Anglos and their approach. It's not unique to them mind you.

>>52487146
Why did they detonate it in a civilian populace then

Lets see if you anons can guess the real life culture by the end of this description.

>A man, heart broken over the deaths of his daughters during a bloody territorial war, wanders into the wilderness only to hear the voice of God to unite your countrymen under one banner of peace, prosperity, and unitedness.
>This man starts guiding disciples in this new way of peace and welcomeness, but an ancient evil wizard with snakes for hair opposed your new ways.
>Our hero does battle with this man, not with sword or arrow, but with a magical comb, clensing the wizard from his anger and sorcerous ways. He makes the wizard his second in command and finally unites his tribesman together in one of the largest empires seen at the time.
>With a new empire and a new, peaceful way of life, these people start a bloody war with the surrounding neighboring peoples to settle old debts and disputes.

>Namely, decimating entire villages for slaves, which they then torture, eat, and enslave in that order, all while beginnng a new tradition of bloodrites to sacrifice and eat enemy warriors in the midst of battle to steal their strength.
>Slaves you particularly like, are spared being eaten only to be brainwashed and tortured some more are then forced into a citizen's family as a replacement for a lost family member who would have died in battle.
>These wars are so bloody and loses so high that 70% of young men in every generation are killed off. Only to be replaced by a slave stand in, until he is killed off and replaced again.
>In a few generations the population has lost its old ways and old blood. Being an entirely amalgamation of different people's cultures and bloodlines. But it does not matter as long as the women in the village are satisfied with their new slave husbands and sons.

Can you guess by now? Why it's the peaceful Native people of the eastern Unted States. Specifically the five tribes of the Iroquois Confederacy.

>>52494475
The history of the Irish and English is far more complicated than the plastic paddys interpretation.

The Irish were not exactly nice people.

>>52494544
>The Irish were not exactly nice people.
I'm not saying Irish were angels. But beating them so they can't pay you with same coin for the harm you did to them makes Anglos assholes and cowards in this situation.

>>52493922
>setting where Tsarist Russia has taken over the world
>Judge wandering around in the background

Is that just an easter egg or is there some fuckery going on?

File: 1489502089179.jpg (65 KB, 728x546)

65 KB JPG

>>52490818

>>52494572
You can hardly excuse the English sentiment when the Irish were reavers and slavers well up until the Normans in dampening relations

You know lowland Scots are genetically Irish for a reason right?

Ireland has always been antagonistic it's the very nature of the irish

>>52494542
Now I want kind of want to make my setting's Gnolls into cannabal tribal natives.

>>52477373
british empire, french empire, german empire, austro hungarian empire, ottoman empire etc. pretty much any empire take your pick

>>52494596
>You know lowland Scots are genetically Irish for a reason right?
They had been repeatedly liberated, I presume?

File: zeus-01.jpg (188 KB, 1024x768)

188 KB JPG

Mount Olympus, or any mythology.

The Empire is ruled by all-powerful and immortal AI/Trans-aliens who rule over the masases of mortals.

>>52494607
By the Irish. Constantly.

Same with saxon Kingdom of Northumbria.

The vikings were honestly the best thing to happen to Northern England because they kept the Irish out.

>>52494640
It's been how long between Normans who kicked Irish out of England and conquest of Ireland? 4 centuries? Your version doesn't hold together very well, mate.

>>52494695
Cultural sentiments last centuries

British occupation of Ireland was a massive book for Ireland and post potato famine was one of the richest places in the British empires. But because of anti-anglo sentiments and because the Catholics were not allowed to murder protestants they resorted to violence constantly

>>52494734
>Cultural sentiments last centuries
They last century, maybe two. After that point sentiments among the population die, they can only be preserved after that point by politicians and propaganda to solve current matters.

>>52480784
We do have a unifying identity. And it's a variant of British culture. We're not a melting pot or a salad, we're a big British sandwich with a few drops of other cultures dripped into the British sauce, and cooked in a different way from the usual British sandwich.

File: 1490018994701.png (345 KB, 848x600)

345 KB PNG

>>52477373
Britain now, Britain during it's height. The serbs. The Byzantines. The Spanish. The Turks. Babylon. Khmer Rouge. Australia (memes). Autralia (at it's inception). India. India (as depicted by their myth)

>>52477373
>Real world
Do you count Orwells 1984 as real? It came from a real mans real beliefs about the future

>>52484425
Not at all.

>>52494596
Do you mean Highland Scots?

>>52491246
>picture of nox
>cogent points on Safavi Iran

A-are you me senpai?

>>52494587
Its from the 2000AD 40th, Dredd and other characters pop up in the background as easter eggs.

>>52494619
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Illium

>>52480302

More than that, one of the features of a Space!British Empire would be that, in their core systems, they're actually one of the most liberal and tolerant powers going. Space!Marx, Space!Voltaire, etc. flee oppressive regimes to live in Space!Britain, while it also passed laws extending the franchise and banning child labour, and it's capital is the most successful and among the most cosmopolitan places in the setting.

And meanwhile their colonies are controlled by governors who are effectively autocrats governing by an uncompromising philosophy of their own superiority, backed up by overwhelming military force with wars and massacres whitewashed on a regular basis.

Makes it a bit more grey, especially if the PCs start off in Space!London seeing it all as positive and are then exposed to the crueller aspects of the empire as the campaign progresses.

>>52494925
Whichever are gael-scots

>>52495218
Those're the Highlanders. I'm pretty sure that the Lowlanders are practically English. If /brit/ memes are anything to go by.

>>52478972
>>52478844

Plus Tea is basically The Spice from Dune to the British Isles.

File: wait a sec.png (111 KB, 410x356)

111 KB PNG

>>52494932
I dunno, Mandela effect or some shit

remove Qizilbash REMOVE QIZILBASH yu ar wurst Turk who make stink out of good empire
Abbas did something wrong
Nox didn't deserve what he got

File: IMG_3229.jpg (299 KB, 1143x797)

299 KB JPG

>>52495568
>ywn be Kay Khosrow Shah
>you will never defend best dynasty from nomad hordes
Why life dust-e-man?

>>52480521
Stop triggering amerifags.

File: Richelieu besieges La Rochelle.jpg (855 KB, 3000x1705)

855 KB JPG

>>52490716
He means the whole Swedish Empire existed mostly only thanks to Richelieu wanting to prank the HRE. Which is 100% true. Any event of swedish history after the 30 years war, including anything related to Charles XII, owes it's existance to the best catholic cardinal ever.

>>52482540
related question, why do people always seem to par Napoleon with Hitler and Stalin in terms of evil?

>>52482402
This.

>large Empire bordering with a series of smaller kingdoms with a disparate culture/religion, aimed at conquering said smaller kingdoms
>the various feudal lords must band together in an alliance to stop them, as fighting the Empire individually is a losing battle
>Empire tries to meddle in the affairs of the various kingdoms, trying to divide them to make conquest easier
>has an elite military unit that originates from kidnapped children of the opposing culture raised up as slave-soldiers

>>52491246
>>52495568
>>52496012

I think that Safavid Iran works better as the "good" guys. Iran in general works good for inspiration of good guy's country since it has an history of fucking up terribly and being constantly threatened of being gangbanged by all sides.

Remember, the situation of the good guys country should always be shit so heroes have problems to deal with.

>>52496449
>people

Anglos and those who buy anglo lies.

>>52496449
Because from Britain's perspective, there really wasn't any difference between Napoleon and Hitler. Both were continental european rulers who fought against Britain.

File: 1458789510370.gif (2.61 MB, 600x300)

2.61 MB GIF

>>52496487
I smell a frog.

File: 1490865388708.gif (1.25 MB, 358x268)

1.25 MB GIF

>>52496474
I just want more Person-Islamic elements in fiction. I'm of the opinion that everyone, regardless of race or religion, is still probably an asshole and therefore ANYONE can be a villain.

>>52496012
the shahnameh is dope as fuck and roster is a cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything. I've always wanted to go to the Aga Khan museum and see the manuscripts that they have of Abbas' private one because hot damn the detailing is something else
pic related is my face when I've seen the detailing on some of the artwork

>>52497074
You're dead on. Based Ferdowsi gave us a real gem with Shahnameh.
>>52496474
For tabletop? Absolutely.
Add in the Abbas era intrigues between the court, regional emirs, rebellious vassals, and the Qizilbash and you've got a really solid land to set adventures in.

You even have all the ruins of fallen empires and the Ottoman/Mughal threat for flavor!

>>52497142
I've had plans for a while now to introduce a Person-Islamic entity into my D&D5e group's campaign. Gonna do a mixture of the Safavids and Mughals, maybe some flavour elements from Timur for backstory. Always wanted to try it, but its hard to find people nowadays who think Iranian art and architecture is as dope as I find it

>>52496570
>>52496487

Essentially this. Napoleon was no worse than anybody else running a European nation at the time, and quite a bit better than some.

The truth is, Napoleon wasn't the BBEG of Europe. We the British were. He was the PC. Think of it this way, every major continental coalition that opposes Napoleon for the next thirty years had british funding behind it. EVERY coalition.

Then there's the fact that whilst Napoleon is basically unbeatable for years on land, the British Empire is basically playing with the cheat-codes when it comes to Naval warfare.

18th century United States manifest destiny was brutal to the indigenous people in North America. Extremely racist, with leaders like Andrew Jackson who had literally murdered a man over a feud involving his wife. Slavery, killing natives, genocide on Buffalo, importing Chinese labor and killing them too... Would be a very evil empire IN SPESSS

>>52497142
Lots of geographical and cultural variety inside a single country too.

>>52497275
You're one of the good ones anon. Keep it up! Maybe play up that Arabian Nights is actually a Perso-Arabic tradition? Give a Prince of Persia fantastical vibe.
>>52497452
Right?
>oh hey were on a desert coast
>now frozen mountains
>now a lush garden city
>shit the war elephants broke loose during the victory parade!
>now windswept badlands full of angry natives
>oh no! nomad raiders from the north :0
>not to mention Mesopotamia/India standins with desert plains/river marshes and jungles.

Shit's cash.

File: 15832_0_4725.jpg (29 KB, 300x400)

29 KB JPG

An empire ruled by a lunatic warlord inspired by Ungern-Sternberg, seeking to recreate the Mongol Horde in space.

>>52497424

get lost pinko commie

>>52477373
The Brittish Empire.

>>52498455
well cheers for that anon. i'll certainly try

>>52488968
>they got crushed the first time they ran up against a modern power.


Second time.
Modern power needed a do-over because they didn't take it seriously the first time.

>>52477373
The Greeks could be plenty dickish. Athens might have been comparatively enlightened domestically, but it was far more dickish than the average polis when it came to foreign affairs.

Also, the Hellenistic kingdoms were incredibly exploitative and essentially consisted of a small, Greek elite milking the land of resources.

File: ruinedmylife-small.jpg (141 KB, 1280x720)

141 KB JPG

>>52495091

File: 1072351235114.jpg (58 KB, 653x367)

58 KB JPG

>>52477373

The modern day New World Order would make a great evil space empire. Think the Star Trek Federation as the bad guys. Or the Tau from 40k.

I kinda want to do this for a setting now.

>>52486843
Not really. Other than the general political situation. Slavishly following historical examples isn't fun

>>52494765

He's talking about modern day (((American))) """culture""" of porn-addicted, hollywood worshiping bugmen. Not traditional American culture.

>>52499555

that sounds like a meme parroted by nazis, muslamics, and communists

>>52499710

You don't have to be a nazi or commie to criticize American culture these days.

>>52499723

I presume you need only be an ignorant

>>52498910
>athens
>enlightened
They were incredibly sexist, women were allowed to only own a handful of grain and were about as high in social standing as slaves
Their only claim to being enlightened is democracy and a few of their citizens (of which some were insane, like Diogenes)

File: sp sports.jpg (27 KB, 644x492)

27 KB JPG

>>52494765
>sandwich
>cooked

this is why americans are fat

>>52500643
>the man who shamed Plato like none other
>insane

You just mad 'cause he styled on ya boy

>>52500668
Diogenes was pretty cool, but he was most certainly clinically insane

File: chip-butty.jpg (51 KB, 639x572)

51 KB JPG

>>52500656

must we review British cuisine?

do you want to go this route?

>>52500807
Nothing is clinically certain until it's been ascertained by a clinicist.

>>52500884
See the problem here is that a good chip butty is delicious. Throw some fish in there and it's one of the best meals on god's green earth.

>>52500656
>I learned it from you, da!

>>52477373
Imperialist Britain/France.

18th century Prussia.

1500s pirate-kingdom Japan.

Polynesian cultures (not really evil to start, but could be interesting)

>>52500063

"anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant!" is not an argument. You're part of the problem.

>>52485519
>Irishman forgets all those people who died due to Ireland's backstabbing treachery.
The bloodiest war in English history was the English Civil War, where Parliament tried to assert its rights in the face of a tyrannical king. Guess which side Ireland was on?

Guess who, after Charles I had finally been defeated, gave the king an army to restart the whole bloody shitshow? (and then they have the gall to whine about Cromwell coming over to Ireland to put a stop to this).

The irish have always been fine with tyranny and oppression, just so long as it's Catholics doing it.

File: invader_tribute_by_agentd(...).png (2.63 MB, 1024x2175)

2.63 MB PNG

>>52490848
I'd really love to do a campaign involving the Irken somehow. I'm just not sure how to incorporate and utilize them.

>>52501534
Just set them as they are, the ever expanding empire.

File: Patriot.jpg (319 KB, 1330x748)

319 KB JPG

>>52481086
>>52484899
>>52485613
>>52495140
>Britain
>evil
Well, thanks for giving us the opinion of the Mel Gibson school of history.

>>52480302
>lesser peoples who needed--but tragically refused--their guidance
What do you mean 'tragically refused'? Most peoples of the Empire were just as convinced of British superiority as the British were themselves. If not moreso. There are several dialogues in George Orwell's semi-autobiographical novel 'Burmese Days' where the main character fiercely debates an Indian doctor over the merits of British civilisation, with the doctor being pro-British idealist and the Englishman being the world-weary cynic. Britain governed 250 million Indians with an administration of less than 250,000 Brits, both military and civilian personnel included. They governed similarly in most of their other colonies. Do you honestly think Britain would have been able to do that if the people they ruled rejected British sovereignty?

You cretins call yourself educated because you know about the Boer concentration camps and the Indian famine. Except those are just snapshots from an Empire that ruled hundreds of millions of people for hundreds of years (and distorted snapshots at that, the way you represent them). You know nothing about what day to day life in the Empire was like, all you can do is quote from a handful of sensationalised diatribes written by people with an axe to grind.

File: Philosophy.jpg (350 KB, 1800x1322)

350 KB JPG

>>52500668
>>52500807

>>52501205

maybe you are

>>52501649
>Britain governed 250 million Indians with an administration of less than 250,000 Brits, both military and civilian personnel included.

By taking local minority groups, giving them a shit-load of power and wealth, and then backing them in local power struggles until they came out on top. This meant that while Britain often had very little of their hand in the political pot, the group that controlled the pot was completely and totally indebted to the British, and couldn't live without their guns and money.

This is why there weren't as many rebellions against the British - because the British supported minority groups over majority groups to destabilize the society, keeping the minority group completely co-dependent on the Crown and willing to do anything it took to keep themselves in power, including but not limited to killing other minority groups or mass-exploitation of majority groups at gunpoint to keep the British happy.

The classic case of what happens when the British just suddenly "leave" these systems is Rwanda and Kenya, and the sudden social violence that can arise from groups that had been previously pitted against one another suddenly having no hand on their leashes.

File: and the governer was british.png (22 KB, 581x395)

22 KB PNG

>>52497306
That is a very odd way of saying the man who set Europe aflame trying to stomp out his own empire and bully everyone who didn't follow him isn't a piggish jackbooted thug.
Not nazi or commie tier evil but that gnome didn't just provoke the British by being french.
I wouldn't allow a major continental power to threaten me, diversity of nations is the only think keeping my island from becoming vichy 2 this time in anglo

>>52500643
>They were incredibly sexist, women were allowed to only own a handful of grain and were about as high in social standing as slaves
We talking abotu the same greece?
because that sounds like major hyperbole.
Non-citizens yes (Suffrage has almost always given only to those who fight and Athens had a citizen army no?) but most of them were at least higher than metis.they had clout in the lower class families.
Where has this women as chattle meme come from? aside from some profoundly strange folks that near non-existant

>>52502008
It's a shame, shit got nasty in the raj like that.
the world would do much better if the brits actually set up and pluged some infrastructure.

>>52502249

what the hell were the railroads you pleb

>>52502008
This is wrong is so many ways I don't even know how to begin.

Which minority group did Britain ally with in India to rule over everyone else? The Muslims? The Urdu speakers? The ethnic Bengalis? If anything, they could be said to have allied with the majority Hindu population who were anxious to overthrow their Muslim Mughal rulers, but even that would be a gross oversimplification of a situation that evolved out of a complex web of treaties, feudal agreements, and often personal relationships.

Do you know how the great Indian Mutiny in the 1850s started? A raja GAVE his kingdom to the British. And this infuriated the sepoys he provided because they loved the status of being Britain's treaty-provided troops and didn't want to be common colonial soldiers. That's the kind of network of obligation and favour the British empire was built on.

>to destabilize the society
what society? There were no unified countries in Africa, just separate, warring tribes. For that matter, what stability? You act as if Britain came upon tribesmen who'd been living in peace for generations and goaded them into attacking each other. In reality, tribes who had been warring against their neighbours for generations would appeal to Britain for help; generally it was the weaker tribe who asked for aid to avoid being exterminated.

I find it hilarious that the very sort of people who bitch on and on about minority rights in Western countries are the same people who'll accuse Britain and the other colonial powers of playing 'divide and rule' by supporting the minority.

>The classic case of what happens when the British just suddenly "leave" these systems is Rwanda
Rwanda was a Belgium colony. If you're this ignorant, maybe you should just stop talking.

>>52502315
economic ways of transporting goods and personal throughout an empire.
I was speaking about civilizing the area, universities and the like but that is costly and given the state of south Africa today, it won't mater all that much

>>52502335
>Which minority group did Britain ally with in India to rule over everyone else?
Diff anon, being 4th generation i don't have a lot of knowledge on the subject but i remember the empire used our people the chattar like that as that but from what i've been told the tribe is known to be warlike, my great aunt came back speaking of tall armed pale skinned men being common place in the tribe itself and there being a rather large warrior/proector myth
>because they loved the status of being Britain's treaty-provided troops and didn't want to be common colonial soldiers.
wasn't it to do with forfeiting station in the caste if one left the bounds of india. Could be my family gussying it up but.

>>52502335
>what society?
from what i remember the middle east is caulked full of shia majorities that slaughtered by sunni ones because the brits put the shia in charge when the Americans made them break up their empire. Arab faggots are still butt hurt about "colonial asia minor" bunch of commie/islamist rallies at my campus about it.
And that should be one of the few examples of it.

>>52502515
Certain groups, like the Sikhs, had traditions that made them more suited to military service than others, but in India there wasn't any particular emphasis by the British on recruiting certain types of ethnicities or religions.

>wasn't it to do with forfeiting station in the caste if one left the bounds of india.
The causes of the mutiny are actually extremely complex. It was triggered by the annexation of Oudh, which caused a loss of pay and benefits for the sepoys from Oudh, but the reason each unit mutinied (or didn't) was specific to that unit. Some Bengalis were more concerned about fighting far from home, although that probably had more to do with the fact that the East India Company had reduced the financial bonuses the troops got for fighting a long way from Bengal, because the company's territory had expanded to the point where it no longer counted as foreign soil. In general the British were actually extremely careful to fit the requirements of service around the religious sensibilities of the troops.

>brits put the shia in charge
Oh, Britain didn't do jack shit in the middle east. They worked with Faisal I, king of Iraq (a Sunni), because they already had a good working relationship with him and he had an established power-base in the area, not because they wanted to oppress the Shia majority. Sunni and shia had been at each other's throats for centuries before the british got there. The Sunni Ottomans discriminated against Shias, and persecuted dissident Shia sects like the Alawites. Britain kept mesopotamia (Iraq) as a united state, and people complain. France split Syria into Syria and Lebanon, and people still complain. The truth is that there is no arrangement of borders or power structures that can change the fact that Sunnis and Shias are locked in a centuries old blood-feud.

I guarantee you if Britain had worked with the Shias instead of the Sunnis in Iraq people would be complaining about their suppression of minority rights.

>>52477373
Space Sweden forcing ultra PC culture under pain of death

>>52477572
>Napoelon
>evil compared to the despotic Central European local rulers he overthrew

Britfags were a mistake

>>52503646
FUND IT

>>52500884
British cuisine is composed of the best bits and pieces of every culture we've conquered. You can't walk along a high street without two Chinese takewaways and an Indian.

File: FROGS.jpg (67 KB, 480x320)

67 KB JPG

>>52503693
>needs an Italian to win a war and to stop killing themselves
>over throwing rightful constitutional monarchies
>spreading liberalism
>spreading atheism and undermining the church
Metternich's balls you frogs need to go

File: memewarfare.jpg (75 KB, 373x836)

75 KB JPG

>>52482356

Qing Dynasty. Expansionist, prone to occasional genocide, and comes with 8 colour coded slave armies with attached family units.

>>52497424
Fuck off. We dindu nuffin.

>>52499555
Even that popular culture, which only dumb young adults and teens even follow, is descended from Anglo culture.
This "melting pot" bullshit is an attempt to downplay the affect of Anglo-Americans, who were the original Americans(From the US, not the continents), and formed our culture.
Fuck off, kraut diaspora.

File: gb.png (747 KB, 1020x746)

747 KB PNG

All this thread has done is reaffirm how much i love being English
>GOAT accent
>GOAT History
>GOAT Language

If we could only stop drinking the Nu-Marxism Kool Aid...

>>52509750
Being American is pretty great, too, my special friend.
Honestly, the English-speaking people are probably the closest humanity will ever get to what God intended.

File: England Eternal.jpg (212 KB, 837x791)

212 KB JPG

>>52509790
Yeah no doubt about that
Shame that we'll be living through the death of the West - but then again our people tend to do best when shit hits the fan

>>52509821
We'll fix it, someday.

File: anglo pepe.jpg (529 KB, 1107x900)

529 KB JPG

>>52509849
Let's start with the EU then lad

File: plekszy5.jpg (34 KB, 290x227)

34 KB JPG

>>52485518
By the moustaches of Plekzy-Gladz!

>>52510358
what does that say?

File: 1445283620934.jpg (12 KB, 284x178)

12 KB JPG

>>52509750
>>52509790
>>52509821
amen to that

>>52510011
this is some special kind of autism/delusion

>>52513352
It's the teenage revolt of today: doing your damnedest to come across as a complete moron.

>>52513526
>>52513352
>getting triggered by a literal meme in which Donald Trump is a frog

>>52501649
Well written post friendo.

>>52477373
Israel

>>52477373
Liechtenstein
They are experts at masking their influence and atrocities

>captcha: exit outlook
Wrong program, captcha