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>>52429923
Angry for Aquaman

>>52429923
Hatred (The Ocean)

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>>52429923
Fuck Aquaman/10

>>52430132
Now that is really fucking edgy, holy shit,

Okay. I keep seeing BM threads pop up often lately and everytime I read about Black Manta it seems he is largely defined by his hatred of Aquaman. A fine enough motivation, I guess, but I still gotta ask: Why?

>>52430715
It's autism.

>>52430577
Quite literally the only reason he didn't kill himself when Aquaman died was because of the off chance that he came back to life since Manta is genre savvy enough to realize that heroes do that often.

>>52430715
There is conflicting stories about why he does.
It really doesn't matter, because his place is a implacably, actually threatening counter to Aquaman.

>>52430758
Naw he was faking that.
>>52430715
He just fucking hates him. Maybe there is something deeper but its a mystery so far since he keeps faking out actual origin stories. Honestly, part of the appeal is that he is just raw anger towards the king of the sea wrapped in a calm, hate-oozing package. He's the Joker but without having been ruined of all character through numerous iterations.

>>52430758
Yes, well, I have students that are autisitic as fuck and none of them have tried to overthrow a PMC yet to fuel their crusade against me.

>>52430849
Be grateful for that, my friend.

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>>52430715
Aquaman is the White Whale to his Captain Ahab.

>>52430715
An ordinary man wants to boil the ocean after seeing a gif of a ribbon worm or a barnacle's dick and then forgets it after a few minutes. Manta is an extraordinary man and he is seeing it through.

The hell is that thing? Is it human?

>>52430715
It's like the OP pic says. He just really, really fucking hates Aquaman. He's givien multiple conflicting backstories and motivations, several of which he admits he made up just to fuck with Aquaman. At this point even if he remembers his original reason he probably doesn't care about it anymore. His sole purpose in life is to screw with Aquaman in any and every way he can. There is no line he won't cross, no action too petty, so long as it hurts Aquaman. He has bent his entire being around making Arthur's life as miserable as possible and he will never stop, never falter, never give up. He is to the king of the ocean what the sea is to angry sailors, cruel, uncaring, and relentless. He's Captain Ahab as a comic book character and we love him for it.

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>>52430715
His hatred for Aquaman is based on spite. Black Manta has the wish to found his own kingdom; he is the Captain Nemo of DC.
Manta is not a crime boss but a warlord leading his own nation of murderers, having access to resources no one else; Black Manta has built his own civilcation. Free from all forces the blackness of the ocean is his sanctuary, he can attack all nation using his submarines and forces but no one can counterattack.
The only problem is that there is already a kingdom under the sea: Atlantis. If Black Manta wants to install his empire under the sea Aquaman has to die.

>>52431045
Well, he's black, so it depends on how much of a SJW you are.

He's a perfect antagonist. No reason except his reason.

>>52430715
Imagine you are a black man who has braved the oceans depths only to find that The Man has already built a mansion at the bottom of the sea.

That is just one of the bullshit reasons he's made up over the years. He just fucking hates Aquaman.

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>>52431224
>>52431045
No. I think not.

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From DC Heroes:

black manta
DEX

5

STR

4

BODY

5

Alter Ego
INT

8

WILL

8

MIND

8

Unknown
INFL

6

AURA

5

SPIRIT

5

Motivation
INIT

19

WEALTH

13

HP

75

Power Lust
SKILLS
Charisma: 6, Gadgetry: 10, Martial Artist: 7, Medicine: 6, Military Science: 8, Scientist: 6, Spy: 5, Thief: 5, Vehicles: 5, Weaponry: 5
ADVANTAGES
Genius, Iron Nerves, Vehicle Specialization (Manta Sub)
CONNECTIONS
High- Legion of Doom, Pirates
DRAWBACKS
Arch Enemy (Aquaman), Secret Identity
EQUIPMENT
BLACK MANTA SUIT [STR: 8, BODY: 8, Heat Vision: 12, Sealed Systems: 15, Super Hearing: 16, Swimming: 5, Ultra Vision: 7, Water Freedom: 5]
MANTA SUB [STR: 15, BODY: 22, Radio Communications: 16, Sealed Systems: 18, Sonar: 14, Swimming: 6, Water Freedom: 8]
ABC Omni-Gadgets: 10 (x2) Can be used as modifications to the Manta Sub.

>>52431289
I hope you've learned a valuable lesson about copying text out of a PDF file without checking for formatting problems.

>>52429923
I want a Rogue Trader villain like that!

>>52430132
Good god he really hates Aquaman.

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>>52430653
>do fish believe in God

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>>52431294

On the contrary, the effort in his post mirror's the OPs. I can kind of respect that.

>>52430715
Nobody knows, he keeps on making up his own backstory.

Dude just really doesn't like Aquaman, to the point where he will kill himself if he thinks that there is a world without Aquaman.

It's like hyper autism.

>>52430903
Holy fucking shit.

I've loved Young Justice version of Black Manta best. His relationship with his son was really nice to see.

>>52430132
>>52430653
>>52430903
>>52432816

I think I have a new favorite comic character.

>>52432816
This goes beyond and above just pure hatred. This man hates Aquaman with every fiber of his being. I really do believe he would kill himself the moment Aquaman died and he thought it would stick.

>>52439254
He has said so, multiple times. He cannot live in a world without Aquaman unless he thinks Aquaman will come back from the dead. He cannot kill Aquaman because that will mean he has nobody to hate.

>>52439646
Funny thing is, he is right.

>>52439646
I replied to a picture stating as such. But I'm only familiar with the animated incarnation of Black Manta and I had no idea he hated Aquaman this fucking much. This is all news to me but I believe he'd do it.

>>52439254
>>52439646
It goes beyond normal hate, like some kind of bizarre ur-hate.

>>52439850
> In the beginning there was a formless presence which cast its gaze onto the new born universe.
> As it gained form millennia later it thought but one thing.
> One thought randomly generated and with no outside influence.
> Fuck Aquaman.

Black Manta and his legendary hate gives me the heebie jeebies.

>>52439254
>>52439646

Counterpoint: Death is a revolving door in the DC universe, to the point where Black Manta would have to keep himself alive just to keep watch over that motherfucker's grave.

>>52429923

Seems like the most heroic thing Aquaman could do is kill himself and agree to stay dead so that the world will be free of Black Manta.

>>52441533
To be fair Aquaman usually does more good than Black Manta does evil. But that guy is concentrated thrice distilled evil.

Im so happy his exploits have spread to /tg/.

This thread has given me many good keks to laugh myself to sleep with. Thankyou.

>>52429923
>I'm going to be perfectly Frank
Apply the Drawn by Steve Dillon template.

Had a DC au game once. It's Black Manta was a former Somalian Pirate who stumbled onto one of the many atlantean splinter cities and claimed it's advanced technology and carved out for himself a big boss esque pirate/mercenary nation in the third world.

He still really, really hated Aquaman

>>52430653
So, Favored Enemy (babies)?

>>52430653
>How's the wife and kid?

Kek

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Just want to drop this and point out that Aquaman and The Flash are fused in this universe.
The Flash's biggest threat is Professor Zoom Aka The Reverse Flash. And he hates The Flash enough to travel back through time and ruin the Flashes childhood and murder Flashes wife because he can't actually kill him due to time loop bullshit.

So with that being said, if Aquaman and Flash are fused in Earth-32 then it stands to reason that their Rogues Gallery would be fused as well.

Point is somewhere on Earth-32 is a super-speed time traveling Manta. And that scares the crap out of me.

>>52444339
WEll they have batman with a green lantern ring. An item that only has one limitation, and that is Hal Jordan is a fucking idiot. I think it equals out.

>>52430653
>KONK!

>>52444339
>Point is somewhere on Earth-32 is a super-speed time traveling Manta. And that scares the crap out of me.
"IT WAS ME ARTHUR!"

>>52444339
>Super Martian
>If he tries to use telepathy while flying he plows into the ground screaming in agony.
>Also he's exceptionally weak to burning Kryptonite.
Whoever thought up Earth-32 is an idiot.

>>52444339
>Point is somewhere on Earth-32 is a super-speed time traveling HATE Manta.
FTFY

>>52444445
Doesnt he kill the entire lantern corpse?

>>52444339
By your logic, Earth-52 has a Joker with a yellow ring.

BTW, could anyone recommend a TPB that shows off Black Manta in all his crazy glory?

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>>52446501
I mean I dont see joker as lantern material in any way, unless crazy was a lantern stat. I could definately see red ring black manta though.

>>52446501
A clown with a pencil mustache and fear powers isn't so bad a combo

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>>52446501
>>52446965
>Sinestro
>Joker
>his name is Sinner

Oh lord

>>52443425

>Look at me

>I am the manta now.

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>>52444339
>Professor Manta or Reverse-Black?

>>52446974
>Sinner
>Not Jokestro

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How does the Legion of Doom work with this guy?

>>52447424
>>52430121
>I must kill the Speedforce!
>has now officially killed both Aqua-Flash's mom and son

>>52447453
>Jokekstro
The memes will happen with Jokestro, but Sinner is when shit hits the fan.

>>52447497
Cause he's black and they can't afford to be evil AND racist.

>>52447497
About like that. He's a stonecold mercenary and honest about it unless you're Aquaman.

>>52444339

You're underselling It.

Eobard Thawne is só fucking crazy and so fucking petty he is almost on a league of his own.

He used time travel to go back in time and casually push Barry out of some stairs. Ruin a School project he made in like fourth grade. Leave his backdoor open só his dog would run away. I'm quite sure he probably made him piss his bed with one of those warm water pranks, too.

It was him, anon. It was all him.

Manta meanwhile doesn't go for petty, he goes for big spiteful, crushing actions. He bombed Atlantis' embassy the moment Arthur almost for some Trust from the Surface, he overtook an underground worldwide organization about to control the world and IMEDIATELY changed Focus to cause a War between land and Sea and frame Atlantis for it. Because, and I reinterate,

Fuck.

Aquaman.

And this was after he had the chance to actually kill him. Arthur was gonna ler him do it, but he didn't because there would be nothing left, só now he doesn't waste time with killing plans. It's all about one simple mentality, to make his life hell. FUCK. AQUAMAN.

Thawne and Manta combined would be literally a force of the universe out to destroy one being in every single, every small way. From petty annoyances and small loses to everything they have.

>>52447826
You gotta respect that kind of devotion.

>>52444445
>>52446395
Actually Batman is canonically unable to use the ring because he has never gotten over the trauma of losing his parents.

In practical terms, whenever Bats puts the ring on, he jizzes green bats everywhere and has to have a lie down

>>52431239

He doesn't even blink or look straigth at her

Ice fucking cold

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>>52430903
The worst part of this scene is that Black Manta shoots a torpedo at Aquaman' son burial and destroying it.
Manta did not only kill Aquaman's son he also desecrated his burial.

I could only dream of creating an enemy this autistic and hate fueled to throw at my players.

>>52448186
Hes genre savvy as fuck isnt he?

>>52447977
The red skull is pretty much definition bad person.

>>52448937
It's a good thing those words aren't much clearer than the surrounding areas and not obviously photoshopped in

>>52449052
It doesnt change the fact that he is textbook "bad".

>>52447977
Can I punch Red Skull?

Y E S

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>>52429939

>>52447424
>Ru(i)nning at the speed of spite.

>Powered by the HATE Force

>>52429923
Way better antagonist than some wacky albino faggot/10

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>>52429923
>>52430777
>>52448532
>genre
>savvy

>>52449438
>Just like your kid

Man, he just never, ever misses an opportunity, does he?

Manta's hatred is so pure and unceasing I'm pretty sure it could kill Captain Planet

>>52430715
Fuck man, Manta has given so many reasons that turned out to be lies to fuck with Aquaman that the real reason could very well be that Manta woke up one day, poured himself a bowl fish-o's, turned on the news, saw Aquaman, and thought, "Fuck that guy and everything he stands for."
But really, the reason doesn't matter anymore because Manta doesn't need it. Manta isn't a man anymore. Asking why Manta hates Aquaman is like asking why the stars burn or why gravity exists. They just do. Manta has long ago stopped having a reason beyond the fact that Aquaman exists. Manta has long ago stopped being a man. Now? Now Manta is much like the sea he spends so much time in. You can see it in his eyes, the pitiless cold and the cruel indifference.
Manta is a force of nature fueled by hate and spite that has long ago stopped having a reason for existing beyond the fact that it does.

>>52446501
>>52446566
If anything Batman is more suited to being a yellow lantern than a green.

Fear is literally his weapon and the reason he styled himself as 'batman' in the first place, and its been shown at times he can't be a green lantern unless he gets over the death of his parents which is one of the cores of him being Batman.

>>52449438
>c-cured the autism!
Why is this panel not used more on 4chan?

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>>52450163
>White Manta

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>>52450360
Knock yourself out, kiddo, post it far and wide.
>had to make it symmetrical. Fuck, I need someone to fix my own autism

How sure are you that he's black and hasn't been disguising himself all this time to fuck up a fish out of water about race relations?

>>52430715
Because.

>>52450350
But he was a great green in bmtbatb.

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>>52430849
Give it time.

>>52450597
WHAT ABOUT SPINNING OBJECTS?

Honestly thats the one on the sheet that confuses me every time.

>>52450350
>Yellow Ring Batman

Didn't that actually happen during the War of Light or something?

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>>52451579
He nearly got a ring during Sinestro Corps War, but he rejected it. Because it would also mean being brainwashed to join Sinestro.

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>>52450365
Earth 3 Justice League would be too fucking fun.

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>>52447497
Captain Cold works with him in distance.

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>>52452350
I liked them at forever evil

>>52452380
>but catwoman...
I fucking hate cliffhangers.

>>52451695

Why wouldn't the yellow ring go to fucking Scarecrow?

>>52452643
It does so literally right after this scene

>>52452643
Because Batman inspires more fear than Scarecrow does, but it goes for him right after that.

>>52452774
>>52452857

Oh. Good.

>>52452350
Did he just kill joker?

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>>52453055
Alternate reality Alfred. He was the Joker in that universe.

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>>52452077
What would be a good death for Black Manta?

I imagine the situation so: Black Manta and Aquaman fight against each other and Arhur damages Manta's helmet so he can't breath anymore. But Black pins Aquaman against a wall and sets a bomb to kill him, needing to breathe he swims to the surface.
After 2 minutes Aquaman can defuse the bomb, Black Manta notices this via his suit and returns to Aquaman to kill.
Aquaman and Black Manta are fighting their last battle; Manta chokes Arthur but Aquaman can fend him off, at the grasp of death Arthur still wants to battle with Black Manta; but Aquaman realises that Manta is dead; Black Manta has drown while chocking his hatred enemy.

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>>52452924
This was definitely one of the best parts of Blackest Night

Man I'd always assumed Black Manta was just some campy mustache twirler overlord who only existed so kids could have a bunch of mook toys to fight their superhero action figures. What is all this Punisher stuff?

>>52453504
He's just spite and hate incarnate. And that's what makes him the fucking best.

>>52453504
He's just a dude that really hates Aquaman, you don't see such purity of purpose very often.

>>52453504
Now I want that Barracuda and Black Manta do a boat trip together.

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>>52447826
This is gold.

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>>52430813
lol

Does anyone else think the Justice League and surrounding characters are only fun as Hannah Barberra Retards?

Seeing people invent contrived reasons to make Aquaman and Black Manta look tough just emphasizes how totally untough they both are.

You don't need giant sharks and mass murder to make Batman look tough.

Maybe I watched too much Superfriends but I can never take the justice league seriously. If they're not being a bunch of incompetent dipshits something seems wrong.

>>52454761
>Does anyone else think the Justice League and surrounding characters are only fun as Hannah Barberra Retards?
Yup. Cape comics taking themselves too seriously just end up making modern capes comics a joke to anyone with a brain that actually bothers to read them.

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>>52455151
Was that really necessary, anon?

It almost seems like you're autistic.

>>52454761
You can take the genre seriously, but you've basically got to build it from the ground up. Marvel and DC are too far gone.

>>52443427
Favoured Enemy (Aquaman) regardless of whether that is allowed by the setting/rules.

>>52440454
>Black Manta crosses to every universe where Aquaman exists as a fictional character and recreates The Superfriends from scratch.

>>52444339
ANTIMANTA THE ANTIMATTER MAN

>"People call me the Antimatter Man but I am not anti matter. Just anti you, Aquaflash. Anti-your matter. "
>"Now hold still while I beat your son to death with your dog"

>>52449927
>>52447424
Antimanta

>Put on a Red Lantern ring and it exploded
>Ate the shards

>>52450350
>>52451579
The instant he put the ring on he felt himself become so powerful he began to instantly become infinitely corrupt, so he took it off and went to lay down for a while.

>>52453285
>Aquaman dies being a hero, killed by natural events unrelated to Black Manta
>Black Manta kills himself so he can kill Aquamans ghost
>Aquaman gets reincarnated while his ghost is fighting Black Mantas
>The two ghosts are sucked into one body, becoming one person that instantly explodes out of self hatred, killing both Aquaman and Black Manta

they would come back eventualy because COMICBOOKS but I think it would be fun

>>52452077

....And then he proceeds to fuck that decades long thing to fuck with Aquaman

Why is he so perfect?

>>52454415

>I only die for Aquaman

I'm going to be completely honest

I'd rather take my chances against the Joker himself than stand between Manta and his aquahateboner

>>52455991
You know, this is actually seeming to be a running thing with DC villains.

Superman died? Luthor becomes a decent man and does right by humanity, flips the fuck out when Supes returns.

Aquaman died? Black Manta becomes a beloved fisherman in a small sea-side community, flips the fuck out when Arthur returns.

Batman died? Joker becomes a mild-mannered neighbor in a respectable suburban neighborhood and has a constructive and non-abusive relationship, flips the fuck out when Batsy returns.

Maybe Joker really WAS right. Maybe if all the heroes in the DC universe died for good, the world would be a perfect place.

>>52456196
Except you'd still have all the other, less obsessed, yet totally still evil folks running around.

>>52456196

Nah.

>Superman died? Luthor becomes a decent man and does right by humanity, flips the fuck out when Supes returns.

There was a time when the big 3 dissapeared for al ong time. Luthor had free reign to do all the shit he said he wanted to do. Instead he tried to bait Superman out, convinced he was hiding somewhere, but orchestrating an allegedly fake aerial disaster. The crew in there sent SOS signals and all, but Superman never showed up. When it was clear he wasn't coming his secretary was expecting him to turn it around, but no, the accident was real.

When Superman came back, a looong time later, he asked Luthor where the cure for Cancer was.

Luthor is a scumbag. Even if he does "right"by people, it would still put them under him. He's a megalomaniac with a superiority complex, he's not Superman's nemesis just because he's non powered, it's because deep down he's just Luthor. He is the type of guy that will give everyone superpowers, and then turn them off while everyone was flying and watch teenagers plummel to their deaths, just because he himself was incompatible with the program and, if I'm not mistaken, because the people working under him didn't express enough gratitude.

>Batman died? Joker becomes a mild-mannered neighbor in a respectable suburban neighborhood and has a constructive and non-abusive relationship, flips the fuck out when Batsy returns.

And then Ras has free reign to try and do his whole human culling thing, and Gotham is STILL a shithole because Joker aside, it's shitters like the Penguin and Joe Chill that make it that bad. Joker is the cerry on top.

I'll concede on Aquaman, though I'm quite sure at least a few of his rogues gallery are all "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK SURFACE DWELLERS" and would cause land-sea genocide

Also >>52456296 , yeah

>>52456196
Black Manta only went on to live a regular life because he wanted to still be around in case Aquaman came back.

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>>52450350
The whole reason he put on the mask is to give Gotham Hope against the crime and giving the criminals Fear

>>52456333
Luthor's got more history with this. He had his own alien world and space wife he visited on weekends that loved him more than Earth did Superman, he retired there in the eighties and built it into a supertech wonderland with no conflict. Like not even in a skeevy Sinestro or Doom style totalitarian way, he made cool shit for them that they used peacefully.

He was so bored after about a month he made power armor to attack his own shuttles. He blew the planet up trying to kill Superman when he came.

>>52457162

He also cured a woman that couldn't walk from about five minutes, before injecting her with something that took away he ability to walk again.

He did that because Superboy said that he couldn't really do anything good for anyone. He did it, then took it away, because fuck aliens. He plays that as "look at all the cool shit I could do if Superman wasn't around", but honestly, Luthor is just a fucking prick.

>>52429923
STR Autism
DEX Autism
CON Autism
INT Autism
WIS Autism
CHA Autism

>>52453285

The best death for Black Manta is to have Arthur go completely and 100% insane and snap, becoming an even more horrible person than Manta as he devolves into madness because of Manta's constant degradation of Aquaman. As he stands over Black Mantas corpse, he looks out and realizes he has fallen so far from the hero he once was that he is completely unrecognizable.

The ghost of his son appears, and tells him that the man standing before him is not and could never again be his father, breaking Aquaman so thoroughly that any trace of heroism within him to disappear forever.

The last panel we see is Aquaman putting on the shatter helmet of Black Manta and looking out into the distance...

>>52457277
So the best death of Luthor, Joker, Doctor Zoom, Ares and every other arch-nemesis of any chosen DC hero.

Come to think of they are all, in broad strokes, the same villain:

Criminally insane person hellbent on hating and despising the hero for no other reason than to prove something since they are the polar opposite of theirs and their death would make their existence meaningless as they just lost their only hurdle in life which made them who they are.

Not sure about Ares though, but pretty sure that he has become the principle villain of WW because he is a masculine war god and probably only actually threatening character in her rogue's gallery

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>>52457237
Luthor is the greatest prick.

>>52457343
Of course. But given the nature of comics, it's hardly a suprise.

The important element isn't the general nature of their character, but the specifics of it and their interaction with the hero.

>>52457343

Ares got retconned the fuck out in the latest wonder woman run, alongside....everything, apparently. WW is kind of a clusterfuck.

>>52457477
I hope they didn't retcon her greatest foe

Egg-Fu, the giant Chinese agent that for no explained reason looks like a giant egg and has a prehensile Fu Man-Chu moustache

>>52457515
Sorry, he now in Harley Quin

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>>52447826

>>52457957

And now he's gonna go after batman because his father killed him in Flashpoint

>Thawne becomes the man who killed Bruce's parents

>IT WAS ME, BRUCE! I WAS THE GUN!

>>52451695
You know, I think a Red Lantern Batman would be cool.

>>52451695

No, the ring rejected Batman after a moment because it sensed that batman had wore a green ring before

Otherwise it would have teleported him to Qward wether he wanted to or not

>>52447497
They point him in a direction, say aquaman is there, and back the fuck off.

>>52450508
He kinda did that once. He got people to think Aquaman was racist by unmasking in front of a crowd

>>52452102
That's some Overdrive Black Ranger smug

>>52453134
Earth 3 Dick became the Joker after he learned Owlman killed his parents. turning Alfred into some laughing clown man was vengeance

>>52456196
You sound like the kind of person who watched Kill Bill Vol 2 and took Bill's speech on Superman seriously

>>52456196
>Superman died? Luthor becomes a decent man and does right by humanity, flips the fuck out when Supes returns.
Somebody never read 52.

>>52458989
Or Death of Superman, for that matter. Luthor continued to be a scumbag.

>>52459001
Lexor is basically the sole time he's been heroic without any ulterior motives, or plans that fucked it all up.

And even then, he blew it up in the Eighties, I mean he took a while getting around to it. But it still happened.

>>52447826
Thawne cant kill barry because of time travel.

>>52458989
>>52459001
>>52459038
Red Son is also an excellent example of the heights of Lex's dickery.

I require more examples of hate autism.
This is absolutely fantastic.

>>52459422
>Why don't you just put the whole world in a bottle, Superman?

>>52459491
So in book 1 of the Dresden Files, Storm Front, protag Harry Dresden meets with a beautiful vampire madame named Bianca to get some info on a case. He accidentally riles her up so much she attacks him, and when he defends himself it reveals her true, monstrous form (a giant bat monster, most likely the Mayan Camazotz). Bianca is obsessed with beauty, and being confronted with her own ugliness revs up her literal bloodthirst, and she kills her assistant Rachel by completely draining her of blood (normally she'd just take a bit and let her refill - it's a renewable resource, after all). When Harry's on his way out, Bianca sends him with a note reading only "regret".

In book 3, Grave Peril, after spending a year staying out of Bianca's way, Harry is invited to a masquerade ball celebrating her promotion into the vampiric nobility. Harry immediately clocks that this is a trap - why walk into the home of someone he knows wants to kill him? Unbeknownst to him, Bianca conspired to create the case he is currently investigating, forcing him to go to the ball anyway because the clues are leading right to her. Because of supernatural social mores, she can't just jump him, so she just poisons every drink in the house - it was in every drink, so he could conceivably have not been the target, therefore plausible deniability. Then she kidnapped his girlfriend, knowing that when he left the party he'd come back for her by trying to hop in from the spirit world. She was waiting at the proverbial door, and she and her vampiric bat monster lackeys tortured and possibly raped him.

Because Harry figuratively made her look into a mirror.

>>52459718
It's worth noting that all of this directly leads to the war between the Red Court and the White Council and, ultimately, leads to Harry killing every single Red Court vampire, everywhere, forever.

I don't spoiler events in books that are 7 or more years old at this point. 1 year. That's my limit.

>>52459922
Well yeah but he didn't set out on that path on purpose years ago. That was a last-minute one-in-a-million Hail Mary.
Hate autism on Harry's part would probably be the ghoul torture scene. I mean, what the fuck.

>>52456196
>Black Manta becomes a beloved fisherman

He was a fisherman. I don't think he was beloved.

>atman died? Joker becomes a mild-mannered neighbor in a respectable suburban neighborhood and has a constructive and non-abusive relationship

Once. There have been other times when Batman died for sure, and nothing changed for The Joker.

>>52457343
Black Manta doesn't have a best death. He already killed Aquaman's son, there is literally nothing he can do as a character to top that. And if doing that didn't break Aquama irreparably, then nothing will.

Honestly his best death is probably in a sinking submarine, finally being run through by Arthur's trident, and Arthur asking him one last time, "why?", to which Manta responds "for hate" before finally dying. Aquaman leaves him as the sub sinks into the abyss.

Luthor's best death is of kryptonite radiation-induced cancer, Superman standing over him and trying to help him, and with his dying breath he spits in Superman's face. Superman gets over it.

The Joker's best death was in Batman Beyond: the Return of the Joker. Specifically his first one. "That's not funny...!"

I always heard that Manta hated Aquaman, but I didn't know it was to this degree. This is advanced levels of hatred and I can't get enough of it, goddamn.

>>52460286
Change that to
>arthur runs him through
>"Why?"
>"*cough* Because I hate you."
>"Me? I have done nothing to you! I didn't even know you before you killed my son! What reason would you have to hate me?!"
>smiles
>dies

>>52460431
>All those words

Less is more, Anon.

>>52460436
Manta is the one saying more with less.

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>>52457277
Sounds edgy as fuck to me, but it could be made to work.

Weakest part of it is finding a reason for Aquaman to snap. He hasn't snapped before; Black Manta would have to do something new to get him to snap now. I kind of hate the bullshit about how people just want superheroes to cross some line already, or to make the villains the good guys.

>>52430813
The Probably Correct reason is when he was Black Manta Jr. someone hired his father's deep sea diving crew to do something mercenary in Atlantis and later in the episode Aquaman killed his father for some reason.

>>52450597
Some of those aren't correct.

The being immune to pain thing is the hallmark of a sociopath for example. The only time I heard it associated with autism is when that dude shot up Sandy Hook, and people didn't add up the evidence he was not autistic but a misdiagnosed (literal) psychopath.

>>52460491
The first one is pretty natural. When you have a hero, you have a person with a set of values they hold strongly. The logical conclusion is to see those values tested, because that's what creates conflict.

And having the hero always win can become boring, so they wish to see the hero pushed too far, or to cross a line they've said they won't.

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>>52447424
Somebody saved something I drew so long ago.
I feel so fuzzy.

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>>52460640
But what that anon is implying that Aquaman isn't just tested, or crosses a line - he completely goes overboard and becomes the new Black Manta. At the point where the kid ghost comes in, and this would normally be the point where Aquaman would be saved (but perhaps scarred), he instead gets fucked over completely instead of having a redemption arc, or having him actually feel guilt for what he's done because his old principals are back and he's realized how much he's fucked himself over. There's a difference between stopping the hero from always winning, and just fucking everything over so they lose, completely and totally.

>>52460772
I wasn't being specific to his example, just talking about the general trend.

People see interest in a hero being tested and failing, and that's essentially what his idea is about.

>>52429923
+ ∞Hatred.

>>52460741
Could you do White Ray?>>52450365

>>52460772
What's that from again?

>>52461102
Injustice. Superman's dream world Bruce kills Joker for the shit he pulled and turns himself in.

Why are DC villains so damn good?

>>52461486
Hate-autism, apparently.

>>52461486
Most of the good DC Villains are some aspect of the hero twisted and exaggerated until it's evil.

Ultimately though it's because DC uses it's heroes more like achetypes, myths, and legends and their villains are used as such.

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My hatred is a thousand times more powerful than all your good intentions.

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Today I will remind them.

EVERYTHING YOU HAVE

>>52462678
He might be lying there though

>>52463473
>might
He's Manta. He's definitely lying

>>52460431
arthur has him pinned to the deck with his trident
>arthur to black manta"WHY!"
>black manta "Why not?"

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>>52431107
>>52462678
It's not enough that Manta killed Aquman's father and son, chopped his arm and bombed his home. No, he will kill every friend Aquaman has ever made.

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>>52464017

Why doesn't Aquaman just fuck Black Manta?

>>52443425
>>52431107

I like this version of Black Manta. A leader of a nation of murderers.

>>52464044
Because that wouldn't break the mind control spell that makes Black Manta hate Aquaman so obsessively.

>>52429923
All stats pointed at Aquaman
Catchphrase: Killed your kid

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>>52461094
I had no idea this was a thing. And what an amazing thing it is.

You bet I'll do this.

a rough sketch. But I think i'm onto something.
I'll have to finish it up after I'm done with work but what do you think.

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>>52464300
>>52461094
Some inked outlines. Going to finish this off after work, and post it online. Should I leave a link in case the thread dies?

>>52464490
Thread's not going anywhere omae

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>>52457369
Thats from the Black Ring right?
That's the story arc that had Luthor arguing with Death.

That was fun.

>>52464743
Isn't that Gaiman's death?

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>>52464783
You bet it is.

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>>52464873
it was a fun issue.

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>>52460491
Black Manta got aquaman to snap when he started killing his best friends

>>52464017
Man I don't remember that guy's name but his powers were so fucking cool

>>52464743
It was 12 issues of Lex Luthor defending his values in confrontations with the whole universe, revealing his hypocrisy again for the climax, finally recognizing it and the fundamental error he's based everything on, then dying broken, laughing, and tired. With telepathic caterpillars getting booted off of rooftops and gorillas tricked into eating robots. I love it like a retarded son.

>>52456863
so blue lantern before yellow and green definately last

>>52446566
>I could definately see red ring black manta though.
Black Manta isn't angry about Aquaman, he hates him cold and crushing like the sea.

>>52447497
Differently:

I could see that Luthor and Black Manta could see similarities between each other. Lex wants to found his kingdom through social, political and financial control, Manta is a more archaic man, he is warlord and his kingdom is founded upon pillage and child murder.

Cheetah and Manta could bond on their love of stealing ancient artifacts.

I can see a Batman/Superman relation between Cold and Manta.

While Black Adam is not part of of the Legion of Doom. I think that Black Manta could remind him of his past, a typical warlord like Timur or Alexander. Destroying civilizations leaving nothing in their wake.

>>52464490
he barely looks like a good guy, you should dress him as Flanders.

>>52464490
10/10 best hero

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>>52437476
That Black Manta treats his son better in YJ makes more sense. After all he should be his heir.

>>52430715
He literally just really fucking hates Aquaman. Everything he does is to fuck with Aquaman, any crimes he commits are purely either to fuck with Aquaman or to acquire funds to use to fuck with Aquaman. Not a day goes by in which he doesn't sit down and reflect on how much he fucking hates Aquaman.

>>52467471
>Implying Manta needs to sit down to reflect on how much he fucking hates Aquaman

He does that shit on the go while he's heading out to fuck with Aquaman, mate.

>>52430653
Black Manta is glorious bastard.

>>52459976
Well don't forget Harry is the white knight /tg/ wishes they could be and with what they did to that girl who was still a kid the guy snapped. That and he had a fallen angel in his head pushing him subtly.

>>52464490
Want to see it finished.

>>52429939
why does he hate aquaman

>>52469195
Because fuck Aquaman. That's why. Seriously, I'm not memeing, he just fucking hates Aquaman for no real reason.

>>52464873
>>52464743
ah fuck I want to read this

>>52457237
>Luthor is just a fucking prick.
he's very human, which is probably why I like him so much

This is my favorite thread.

>>52469195
Aquaman killed his father.

>>52469195
Was raped by dolphins and Aquaman jerked off to it.

>>52430132
He does not fuck around

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>>52431045
Blood does not move that way.

>>52431253
Why do I imagine him having the voice of Keith David?

>>52470994
Because Keith David is awesome.

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>>52443427
This vest will not save this guy. He just fullfilled one of Mantas dreams.

>>52471092
Goddamn right

>>52471104
>Manta's helmet shows all the babies with Aquaman's face

>perp's face when Manta starts shooting each baby, making sure to avoid hitting any of perp's vital organs

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>>52431154
>"do you never wondered why i'm called Black Manta?"
>"I thought because of the suit..."
>Meanwhile Black Manta stabs Aquababy

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>>52447977

>>52471184
So Red Skull is now a hero I take it?

>>52432154
To be fair, if your archenemy was frequently and heavily mocked because a cartoon made him a joke, you would probably hate him too for making you look silly for having a joke for an archenemy.

>>52447826
>>52455734
Fucking perfect. I need to add something like this to a superhero campaign of my own.
>This guy is after you.
>You don't know why, or how, but he will do everything in his power to slowly destroy you and make you know it was him.
>And his power is significant.

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How's the wife and kid?

>>52455991
At least the Joker will let you live if you're not directly opposing him and he don't think there's any scenarios where your death would be funny.

>>52471245
No. It's Red Skull. He's using the situation to his advantage and drumming up irrational fear.

Is there ever a hour where Black Manta don't think about his hatred for Aquaman?

Do he even sleep?

>>52471769
Well, physically at least, he is still human, so he has to sleep at some point. But he probably uses a form of self-hypnosis to ensure that when he dreams, he dreams about hurting Aquaman.

Somewhat unrelated note, if I were doing an Aquaman TV show or movie or something, Black Manta's theme would probably be something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaBnHTZXrOo

It just sounds so relentless.

>>52430715
Because fuck aquaman, that's why

>>52471931
hello, Manta

>>52471769
>>52471853

In one story, I think suicide squad, his helmet was specifically modified so that all his enemies were shown as Aquaman

Manta's hatred for Arthur is some pure stuff

>>52472195
see
>>52432816

Okay, /tg/

Your last character now has Black Manta out for their ass. By all intents and purposes you're now Aquaman in his mind. You can't magic him away with anything less than a high level spell or direct interference from a God

What happens?

>>52452102
God damn that is anime girl levels of smug. #blacksmugsmatter

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>>52429923
>>52471853
What would be good black Manta themes and soundtracks?

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>>52450175

>>52448186
>what happens when you think scale mail is real armor

>>52472478
His armor is probably atlantean bullshitium, though. Looks like he cut the hand just off the armor.

>>52472388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOFzu-6MD4

Just find your favorite Alestorm song. There's also Blood and Thunder by Mastodon

>>52472388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjBYYDJnp6Y

>>52472679
Why not go with "Death Before the Mast" if you're going Alestorm? It's about going HAM on some motherfuckers you can't beat but fuck those guys.

And yeah, basically anything off of Mastodon's Leviathan album works well, since it's all Moby Dick.

>>52472699
>Not "You Better Swim"

Shame on you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Lnj1VJEQA

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>>52471739
>irrational

>>52471739
>irrational fear
Implying

>>52472388
silence

every so often, in the background, gentle waves and the cry of gulls

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Sp this was a thing.

>>52444494
The joke to Earth-32 is that it's a spinoff of an old Elseworld where Batman became a Green Lantern, theorizing if they decided to not stop there and do combo versions of every character.

>>52472388
Jason Mamoa's screams

>>52455616
In some rulesets, it's possible to choose an organization or group as your favored enemy - for instance, declaring "Zhentarim" to be your favored enemy in FRCS.

Manta chooses Favored Enemy (the Aquafamily). After all, if he only chose Favored Enemy (Aquaman), he wouldn't be able to slaughter Aquaman's friends and family.

>>52472388

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrHfu-HT2lM

>>52446566
Nah, red lanterns are those who are enraged from what they have lost. Atrocitus is the last survivor of his people, who's wife was murdered in front of him. Dex-Starr's (he's a cat) owner (the only person he loved) was killed in cold blood in front of him. Manta would make a terrible Red Lantern.

>>52466283

>Cheetah and Manta could bond on their love of stealing ancient artifacts.

And he also probably smells like fish.

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>>52471739
>irrational

>>52459422
>>52459566
>Cure Cancer
>Bring world peace
>Lengthen the lifespan 3 fold
>Get asked your greatest accomplishment
>"I killed the Superman."

>>52475337
Honestly that's pretty damn understandable.

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>>52459422
>>52475337

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>>52475376
Lex Luthor, what a douche

>>52473159
>>52473235
It is when his "solution" is murder. Remember, Red Skull has nothing "Neo" about his Nazism.

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>>52475376
I have no idea what this expression is supposed to be

>>52448937

Keep in mind, he's not a bad person because he's a nazi. The other nazis who know what Skull is really like hate his guts too. At this point he's pretty much using national socialism as a mask to hide his sadistic, nihlist desire to inflict innumerable cruelties on as many people as possible in hopes that it will satisfy his unending bloodlust.

In other words he's a perfect stand-in for /pol/

>>52475433
"I can't believe I really can't just let it go"

>>52475433

I think that one is sincere realization and regret, even if just for a moment. Lex knows what he's about to do and that no, he can't pass up the chance. And just for one instant, he understands what a fucking douchebag he is.

Of course, it doesn't stop him. Really the next pannel is essentially his version of [autistic screeching] like here >>52430132

>>52475433


I can make the universe happy AND Immortal but CANT hate Superman?

fuvk.

>>52446501
Actually, Scarecrow with a Sinestro Corps ring

>>52475418

Isn't he actually a Strasserite? I remember seeing him on an in-universe propaganda poster promoting a Third Position.

It's an interesting point of division, I'd love a revamped backstory where Johan is a career criminal who gets recruited into the SA and is mentored by Rohm and Strasser before Himmler snatches him away for the SS and he becomes Hitler's favorite pupil. Make the Night of the Long Knives his establishing moment of evil where he just murders all of his former mentors without any guilt or remorse, even though he actually believed Strasser was right about Hitler's shortcomings. Just really establish him as an absolute violent, ruthless scumbag who only enjoys death, misery, and destruction.

>>52470401
pretty close to the original reason

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>>52466551
why yes. I think I'll do that next. It was my first impulse, but I figured I should try and parallel the Zoomanta, or Black Zoom, Professor Manta outfit a bit. Threw on an inverted M/Trident as a "W"

>>52469133
>>52466621
Thanks anons. I hope you don't mind me playing with some new brushes.

>>52461671
Sinestro and Black Adam thank you

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done

>>52465047
Prisoner of War

>>52468506
>the white knight /tg/ wishes they could be
No, that would be Michael Carpenter.

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>>52429923
Normally shitty stat me thread unexpectedly becomes the best thread on /tg/. Have a diagram.

10/10

>>52475941
I love it.

>>52475941
More?

>>52446501
Actually, Earth-32 Sinestro is his Joker counterpart. Over the course of the original story, he wound up going insane. Conversely, the man who would have become the Joker never had it happen, because Batman subdued him without him falling into a vat of chemicals.

>>52447960
Honestly, Dick Greyson would probably fit the role of OP Green Lantern better. Nearly a match for Bruce most of the time, without the emotional baggage. It fits his whole trapeze without a net motif too.

>>52475337
Good man.

>>52475134
Yeah this. Rage is not hate.

>>52458224
It also seemed to have trouble with his willpower being co-dominant with the ability to inspire fear. Possibly because weird emotion-spectrum shit, possibly just because willpower blocking out mind control is a common device.

>>52464873
>skis
THE BLACK RACER

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>>52476422
Thank You
>>52476500
I wouldn't fail you yet.
I basically haven't seen Mr. Rogers since I was like... an especially little kid. I remember a cable car but not the significance.

Either way here's White Ray in a Cardigan.

>>52477107
The camera rode the trolley into a tunnel and came out in happy funtime fantasy land while Mister Rodgers spoke in a soothing voice. He lived in Pittsburgh, you know. I could have driven to the set when I was a child, before he died.

>>52475433
>God
>Fucking
>Dammit
>This is superman's fault somehow

>>52475712
Yeah, I know the only reason he doesn't just try to kill everyone he meets is so that he can cause more suffering in the long term, but he uses Nazism as a mean to that end. Mr. Schmidt doesn't just believe Hobbes was right about humans, but he wants to enforce lives that are nasty brutish and short on the world.

>>52472388
Might be too much of an overpowering violence for Manta, but hey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTLh_H-rURM

>>52472679

So would White/Ray Manta's theme be something from The Real MacKenzies? Or from some more chipper pirate-themed band...

>>52472365
Considering my last character had enough power to literally go toe to toe with an enraged god of death and come out completely unscathed, and no loved ones that manta could easily get at (unless he can dimension jump), manta would probably die horribly as chlorine trifluoride burned through his suit (that characters weapon of choice, as he can control matter well enough to keep it away from him).
My current character however, would suffer immensely, as she is much more traditional tabletop character, and would have little ability to protect her loved ones or herself from a such a powerful enemy (and is in, appropriately enough, a nautical campaign centered around a rapidly sinking atlantis).

>>52464300
>>52464490
Definitely leave a link just in case but he seems fantastic

>>52477760
It's the lazy town "You are a Pirate" song

>>52477760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeI2cl3Sr7c

Very loosely related.

>>52475433
He can literally do ANYTHING except the thing he wants to do the most in his whole life. It's like cockblock on three levels and he knows it's fucked up and he should just let go but cannot because he REALLY wants to do that one single thing and nothing else matters for him, and he knows it, and he knows he doesn't care for anyone or anything but for doing that exact thing.

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Black Manta's greatest fan.

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>>52475433
It's the expression you get when you realize you have a decision to make that you can't possibly win with either choice, and you're trying really hard to think of an option that allows you to wriggle your way into a victory.

More literally, I think the second panel's face is supposed to be the one where someone will puff out their lower lip while thinking really hard, causing their lips to twist into a straight line most associated with the :I face, when the I actually has the lines on the top and bottom.

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>>52475433

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>>52430653
>>52430132
>>52431224
>>52431239
>>52432816
>>52448186
>>52447497
>>52449438
>>52452077
>>52452350
>>52452380
>>52453285
>>52454400
>>52454415
>>52455151
>>52462678
>>52464017
>>52464033
>>52467198
>>52471152
I pity that fool that has Black Manta as is archenemy.

>>52478885
aquaman
It's Aquaman

>>52478051

Could be.

>>52478254

Hearty keks were had.

But i was thinking more like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbRQgrOnErc

I mean, i have no idea about the comicsverse, but if Ray Manta was just an alignment and disposition flip of Black Manta, with the usual events still coming to pass, this would feel pretty right...

>>52471581
Oh fuck

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I feel like BM is becoming a meme both on /co/ and /tg/ for the face of hate itself

>>52480186
Well, you do have to admit that Manta's purity of purpose is kinda endearing.

>>52429923
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand archived.

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>>52478373

>>52481008
Oh shit, Starro's free.

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>>52481024

Bump