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reposting this guy from the archived threads. Is he fallen or loyalist?

>>52263290
Clearly a Slanneshi Fallen Marine disguise used by the Omega Marines.

So to get the conversation started, I don’t know if this has been discussed in any detail but there was this cool little throwaway mention of Beast cultists in the Alaitoc fluff. As in, when the Beast smashed through the Imperium during the WotB some of the people on the worlds he conquered turned quisling and started worshipping the Beast (or would it just be the Orks in general).

It sounds strange, but when you think a little bit it kind of makes sense. It fits with one of the major themes of 40k, which is that humanity is willing to worship any sufficiently powerful being that they don’t understand. I mean, just look at how the vanilla Imperium views the Emperor, or genestealer cultists view the Hive Mind. Heck, we even describe the Hive Mind here as “kinda god-ish, if only because it’s the best descriptor the human mind has for a psychic entity of that size”.

It seems like something interesting to elaborate on. Something that would have been an absolute pain in the ass to eradicate during the Great Hunt/Reconquista/whatever, and whose existence would be utterly confusing to the Imperium (as in “We can see why people would find Chaos tempting. But worshiping a fucking ork?)

So what were they like? Chaos cultists, but replace Chaos with Orks? Digganobz? The “livestock” of the Beast Arises series with Stockholm Syndrome? All of the above, depending on various factors?

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>>52265231
Shit like The Beast worship would only be popular on Feral worlds because even Feudal worlds might be smart enough to not worship a fucking Ork. The Feral worlders would form tribes or clans like the Orks, then fight everybody because they are Social Darwinist. The weak will die, the strong will live. In a war, these Beast worshippers fight vigorously in glee in stalemates or when winning. If they believe they are losing, they will flee to fight another day. The losers are usually killed or absorbed by the winners.

>>52265710
Obviously Beast worship is completely eradicated by M41, but it would probably be much more of a problem prior to the Imperium getting rid of its ork infestation. Probably at its worst right after the War of the Beast. Only feral worlds being dumb or psychologically stunted enough to worship an ork might not be as much of a problem as one might think because the Beast had the tendency to turn civilized worlds into feral worlds in his wake.

How long does the War of the Beast last? The Horus Heresy in vanilla lasted about nine years, but here the Beast uses blitzkrieg tactics to bowl across Imperial borders from the north or northeast to make a beeline straight to Earth, only stopping to take however long it would take to turn Ullanor into an Attack Planet.

Portions of the Beast's WAAAGH! splinter off to attack more worlds, followed by DEldar, Cronedar, and Daemons. In other parts of the galaxy, the Beast probably used his connections with the Cronedar to make contact with other major ork groups on the fringes of the Imperium prior to the WotB so the Imperium was beset on all sides by orks and daemons, even if the main thrust was coming from the north.

>>52266042 (same)
Another question to ask is how did the Ullanor Crusade go in this timeline. I imagine it was a multi-primarch thing like in canon, where someone goes "holy shit that's a lot of orks" and calls in backup.

The only other thing I was thinking might have happened is good ol' space captain Horus adapts his "point of the spear" technique from "tactical strike to kill the leadership and mop up the rest" to "nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure". Horus tricked Urlakk Urg into broadcasting his location by needling him, and then orbitally bombarded his location once he knew where he was. Urlakk demanded Horus face him in combat, but Horus doesn't fight fair.

The thing is, 99% of the time this would have worked. Leadership would have gotten a torpedo on their head and the chain of command would have been disrupted. Not this time. Urlakk managed to get away thanks to the destruction Horus caused, where he meets up with four beings who share a mutual interest in anyone willing to fuck up the Imperium.

>>52266042
The WotB would still take a couple of years though. It's never explicitly stated, but my impression is that it takes about one year to go from one side of the Imperium to the other, and it seems that Ork warp drives are slower/less reliable than Imperial ones (like much of their technology). Then you have the Orks stopping to look for good fights and blow shit up along the way to Earth and as well as the Imperium's very spirited resistance, so it still would take a decent chunk of time from the start of the WotB to get to the Battle of Terra.


As a separate thought/discussion prompt, can people be redeemed in our more hopeful universe? Obviously Chaos is still corrupting and all, but if someone truly realizes the error of their ways and has sufficient willpower to change, can they cast off the influence of Chaos?

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>>52266042
Looking at it economically, a civil war where both sides use the same resources of their nation. Different compared to a state fighting another state where all resources from both nations can be brought to bare. Here it is two alliances fighting on a galaxy-spanning conflict that makes the Horus Heresy look like a playground brawl. Just the travel time alone would make the war last at least 10 years and that's not counting the Great Hunt where the Imperium is still fighting Orks and Croneldar for years. Let's not forget the Warp effectively act as a parallel galaxy so the Croneldar has an endless amount of materials to be converted into war assets, they just lack the numbers or industry to do it.

>>52266340
>Can people be redeemed in our more hopeful universe? Obviously Chaos is still corrupting and all, but if someone truly realizes the error of their ways and has sufficient willpower to change, can they cast off the influence of Chaos?

I would say no. It's still nobleDARK after all. Chaos is basically brain uranium, spend too much time around it and you start going bonkers. Thought patterns get warped, behavior becomes illogical, etc.

That said, redemption in general is still possible, provided it is not chaos related. But at some point you cross an event horizon over which you can never come back, the best you can hope for is a moment where you return to your senses to beg for death.

I would also say intent is a big part of it too. Being unwittingly nudged into some bad decisions is different from making a deal with the devil.

>one year to go from one side of the Imperium to the other

I think canon backs you up on this one, I always heard the estimate was three years or so. Of course, the Orks aren't coming from the eastern fringe.

>Then you have the Orks stopping to look for good fights and blow shit up along the way to Earth and as well as the Imperium's very spirited resistance

The thing is all the previous discussion on the War of the Beast has the Beast travelling at top ork speed. So not necessarily as fast as an Imperial force could because they're still picking fights, but not stopping at every single world they see. Beast was capable of good tactics compared to other orks and was driven. He wanted revenge on the Imperium and was going to have fun with it.

On the other hand between the fact that ork warp drives are slower (though the Chaos Gods might have helped out), Orks are naturally less organized (Beast may have been focused, but other orks would have wandered off), and the fact that the Horus Heresy was led by one of the vanilla Imperium's best tacticians probably means the War of the Beast took longer.

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>>52266421
So looking at the timeline, are we going with

M31ish - War of the Beast. Imperium loses some ground from Great Crusade, other areas heavily damaged and/or ork infested.
M32-early M33 - Great Hunt. Imperium removes ork and Cronedar from core territories.
M33-Machairian Crusade. Imperium realizes its rebuilt enough that it has the resources to go reconquer the worlds on the fringes and does so. Imperium expands to its Great Crusade bounds if not a little moreso.
Late M33-M35 - Imperial "Golden Age". Relatively stable, beyond the occasional calamity like Prospero or the World Engine. No constant political upheaval from races like Tau. No cold war that could turn hot any minute with the Necron Star Empire. No tyranids (or genestealers) threatening to destabilize the galaxy.

Maybe mess with the dates a bit, but the general sequence of events?

>>52266931
I said this in a previous thread and I'm not sure what the general sentiment was, but I think having the Macharian Crusade so close to the Great Crusade is sort of pointless. In vanilla the MC is supposed to be like the last hurrah of the Imperium before the ominous time of ending stuff implied for M42, and Macharius is an echo of the lost glory of the Primarchs. Assuming that we want to keep that tone in this AU, then in M33 like half the primarchs are still around and kicking ass, making Macharius much less remarkable. I still think the best time for the MC is right after the Age of Apostasy, as something to unify the Imperium after Vandire almost tears it apart, and at that point only 3 Primarchs are left and they're getting pretty damn old, letting Macharius stand out more.

>>52266931
I dig the golden age, and stuff like Prospero and the world engine make good legends for the long history of the imperium

>>52267012
I see your point. Though I don't think the Imperium really has a last hurrah in this timeline. The issue in M41 is not that the Imperium is necessarily getting weaker, its that its foes are getting stronger. The question to ask is the latest onslaught going to be the one to break the Imperium's back.

It's also hard to imagine the Imperium having two and a half centuries of relative stability and not deciding to do something about all those lost planets until after the 150 year reign of terror and the 10 year civil war that followed.

Machairius at M33 could be seen as "maybe the primarchs weren't just a flash in the pan, maybe more people will arise to replace them". Which ended up being both true and untrue.

I think most of the primarchs are gone by M33. Not counting A & O and their fuckery, we have nine primarchs confirmed dead by that point, three confimed to survive until M36, and five unknown. Problem is some of the unknowns are Astartes, and we have no idea how long they live. Ahriman was not an old man by M34, but he's a psyker and so he doesn't count. Curze turned himself over for execution, and it doesn't make sense he would do it when he was an old man because it would take away from the statement that he was being punished for his own crimes (why execute what the reaper is going to collect in a few years).

I suspect Perturabo would have died before the first Black Crusade. If Dorn died before Perty did Perty would have flipped his lid.

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>>52266931
Just like Pax Romana, there is no internal strife but there is plenty of external enemies. Worlds to purge of Orks, fending off a Black Crusade (or two), Dark Eldar raids. Nothing of a major threat destroying the Imperium from within. (pic somewhat related)

Also, we should come up with an official name for the Imperium like 'Galatica Imperium' or 'Imperium of Civilizations'.

>>52267529
World Engine also means when the Silent King revs the rest of them up in M41, the Imperium has enough context to know how hard to shit bricks. This is something that has reached almost mythological status in the Imperium, and now you're saying there's more of them? It would be like telling the ancient Greeks that Tartarus was open and Kronos was back.

Harrowing was also during that time, though I think we had it getting shot with the Astronomican and nearly burning out the psychic lighthouse doing so (at the very least. It makes sense that in Nobledark it is common knowledge that some galaxy-wide calamity happened and someone dealt with it, and if great sacrifices were made to remember them).

finnished my writefaggotry from last thread, heres some 55th omega hydras and alpha legion.

The Hydra uncoils

Inquisitor Alrisia awoke with a jolt. The last electric shock must have knocked her out. Her body felt numb and she was panting heavily. A electric crack was heard and she felt another wave of searing pain flow through her body, she grit her teeth feeling as if they would break under the pressure. She tried not make a sound to keep her composure but could stop herself from sounding a gurgling groan from the back of her throat as he threw her head back desperately trying to keep the pain off her mind. It felt like hours that she endured the painful surge of electricity flow through her body but the shock could only have been for a couple of seconds. The same crack could be heard and the electricity stopped. Her body slumped as she gasped for air. Through her desperate breaths she cold hear a familiar voice.

- Ready to talk mam? The voice belonged to a man and he spoke in a serious sense but she knew there was some humor to it. Not only were they torturing a inquisitor of the ordo securitas but they had the nerve to taunt her while doing it.

- traitor scum. She muttered under her breath as she threw a rageful glance at her captor. Her long black hair was a utter mess, it was hanging over her face and sticked to her forehead by sweat, but she could still make out the man.

He was dressed in civilian clothes, but she could see his flak vest showing through. She knew that face, that sharp jawline, those warm green eyes and that damn beauty spot on his lip. Creal Harkon was his name, sergeant Creal Harkon of squad larnean of the 55th omega hydras to be more specific and soon to be ex-sergeant Creal Harkon when she was out of her restraints. The bastards and his whole squad would pay for this, maybe she would even have the entire regiment executed. The thought of tempestus soldiers betraying her never came to her head,

>>52268521
even when they were ordered to protect her, that's probably why they got her, that's why they could gun down her bodyguards with ease. Because for once in her life she trusted someone, she hadn’t even truly trusted her own bodyguards. But something about that man’s face gave her the sense of trust and loyalty. Might have been his actually decent looking face, her line of work was mostly filled by ugly mugs with a permanent frown on their faces. Was it his professionalism? His aura of authority? Whatever it was he would be the last person she would have trusted and the last that would betray her.

- That's not the answer we're looking for mam, if you’re not going to play along we are going to have to give you some more juice and we have all the time in the world. Creal said and lightly kicked some machinery which gave a nice klonk as he hit it. Alrisia looked at what he had kicked. It was a generator, they had her hooked up to a damn generator. How long have they intended to keep this going? She must have been here for at least 24 hours and the questions were never specific, more vague than anything. ‘’Your life mam, tell us about your life’’ or ‘’tell us about your work’’, at first she almost thought it was a joke, some kind of sick prank pulled off by some stupid harlequin, she had even laughed at the absurdness of the questions, but when the first electric shock came she thought they were just idiots. Idiots she would enjoy killing.

- I'm not going to give you anything you fething traitor and when i get out of here i'm going to rip your bloody spi-. She was cut off as the crack was heard again and she was back to gritting her teeth to stop herself from screaming. The electricity stopped as quickly as it began, she coughed, a pulsing kind of pain was left in her body, she spat at the feet of sgt. Creal.

>>52268535
It was a mix of saliva and blood. She could taste the irony taste in her mouth and could smell what she thought was smell of cooking bacon but quickly discarded it as nothing.

- I actually don’t want to do this but, if you don’t start answering our questions i'm going to have to call my boss, and if you think this is bad my boss you can’t even begin to understand how bad he is. So please, for your own good answer the questions. His voice was now irritated, and was that remorse she heard, no it was empathy. She looked back up at him with a serious look but not with the rage as before but with a sense of concern instead.

- why are you doing this? You’re a damn scion, you’re in service to the imperium, to humanity, why would you betray them? Who do you really serve Sergeant.

- I'm doing this because it's my job, if you think it's my job to serve some pompous commander that throws around our lives like used condoms or some inquisitor with a superiority complex that thinks he's better than emperor himself you’re a bloody fool inquisitor. No i serve those who really know how crap gets done, those who don’t need to go through juridical groxshit or sign a endless amount of reports. I haven’t betrayed anyone, besides if anyone has betrayed someone it’s you inquisitor. He stared at her with anger in his eyes, his arms crossed over his chest. He looked at him as if he was holding himself from punching her.

>>52268540
- Did i hit a soft spot? Alrisia said with a big grin on her face. The Sergeant frowned and with a small hand gesture the wave of pain was back. Alrisia still kept her grin as the electricity flowed through her body like water in a river, it felt as if her eyes would pop and the smell of burnt was undeniable. As the electricity was searing her flesh and she was desperately trying to keep herself from screaming she could hear Creal speak.

- have it your way then, this could have gone easier but you just had to be stubborn. The electricity stopped and Alrisia could feel as she lost her sight on things before she lost her conscious.

When she awoke sgt. Creal was gone and instead another man was sitting on a metal chair only a few feet away from her. He was shorter than Creal but there were similarities to their features. The man had almost the same jawline, a similar beauty spot but creal’s was on the opposite side of his lip. This man also had a large face tattoo across the right side of his head, it was a scaly snake, a snake with multiple heads. It was a beautiful piece of ink, the heads were all snarling with animal ferocity and looked as if they could lunge out from his face onto her neck. But it was the man’s eyes that truly caught her attention. Where sgt. Creal’s eyes were a warm green this man’s eyes were a deep, colbalt blue, they shined with an almost unnatural light, almost as if they were glowing. She saw no feelings behind them, no anger, no joy, only cold, dead calculation.

>>52268550
- ah, you’re awake finally inquisitor. The man said with a wide smile, she could see his white reflect the little light inside the room. He was dressed in fine clothing, something that would belong to a rich trader or a lower noble. Something caught her eye with his attire, a small silver pin on the inside of his coat, it would be hidden if he had kept it closed. It was that of another three headed serpent but much more simplistic in its design, still there was no denying that it was connected to his tattoo. There were something about it that sparked something inside her mind, but she did not know what.

- Are you ready to cooperate with us inquisitor? The man said raising an eyebrow anticipating an answer.

- Who are you? She asked with wondering tone.

- Me? Well i’m Alpharius my dear. He replied as if he was happy she asked . It then dawned on Alrisia. The three headed serpent, 55th omega hydras, Alpharius. The three headed serpent was the damn hydra she had heard about in ancient terran mythology. The giant serpent which when you cut of one head two would take its place and that name, Alpharius. That name belonged to one of the primarch that served the emperor during the unification of terra. Alpharius Omegon who had been almost erased from all imperial records, she had only heard about him through the inquisitorial scribes, he had worn the hydra as a symbol. Within this new revelation there was something else, something much deeper inside of her mind that made her head hurt when she thought about it.

>>52268560
- That’s not your real name, that belongs to someone who served the imperium and not some treacherous scum who thinks torturing an imperial inquisitor would get them anywhere.

- how investigative of you inquisitor, no my name is not truly Alpharius, it’s actually Armillius Dynant. But we still use that name for an alias, it’s a sort of tradition to use their name for our purpose.

- Their name? She quickly replied. Armillius just smiled even wider.

- Enough about us my dear, we're here because you failed us. He picked up a pack of lho sticks from a pocket and lighted one, drawing deep breaths of smoke and blowing it out of his nostrils.

- Failed you? I don't work for you, i work for the emperor's imperial inquisition.

- mhm, of course you would think that, but you have in fact been working for us your entire life, do you know the old term ‘’useful idiot’’? Of course you don’t. No Alrisia you might think you have been working for the inquisition and in reality you've been our puppet. He was nonchalant about it, almost acting as if it was commonly known.

- No, i haven’t done anything for you. My work was for inquisition and not you or your masters. Her voice was trembling and the headache was pulsing as if her head would explode.

- Yes Alrisia, your life has been one entire long play, one of the legions more finer works if you ask me. Everything about your life has been planned and calculated. The murder of your father that lead you to join the arbites was our work, the big cult you busted which lead you to be joined into the inquisition was us, your work about destroying the imperiums political corruption which you have dedicated your life too was our doing. Inquisitor Alrisia Santius, we are you. Armillius was staring into Alrisias eyes, those cobalt blue eyes pierced her very beign and she remembered, she remembered everything.

>>52268568
She saw those eyes in the man who cut down her father, she saw them in the officer that helped her during the raid on the cult, she saw them in her fellow colleagues, she saw them in the woman who had told her those words before she executed the woman. ‘’Hydra Dominatus’’.

Alrisias eyes were tearing up and she felt sick to her stomach, she felt like she would pass out. Her work and all she had fought for was a lie, that which had molded her life was but some intricate theatre and she knew nothing about it. They had played her life for thirty six years, every step she took had been planned ahead. She looked up at Armillius with tears running down her face, She now recognized him like he had been aside her everywhere. His smile was back, his sick smile was spread across his face as he blew another cloud of smoke out of his nose.

- you see it now don’t you, that you’re just a puppet in the legions big game. The game which don’t require billions of lives or resources, all you need if too find the right one and guide them towards what you want.

- why? Her voice was trembling and she knew she was sobbing.

- I don’t know, i'm not the one to ask why my superiors do what they do, all i know is that they do it for the greater good, i'm just here to clean the slate and fix what you broke. He shrugged and threw his lho stick but away before pulling out a new one lighting it.

- If i'm just a puppet why are you doing this?

- Because you done messed up my dear. That woman you killed last month because you thought she was a culprit, well she was one of us and now we need to fix it, restore the balance so to say.

>>52268573
Alrisia remembered the woman, she had tried to stop her from doing her job and had shot her and she had said those words before her death. Alrisia had only thought it a treacherous saying and not that it had been a omen.

- But don’t worry about it my dear, when we're done here you’re going to live on like nothing ever happened, not you as in you but a replaced you. It’s kinda hard to explain but have you heard about Lord Commander Byron Wiltons?

Alrisia knew who he was, Lord commander Byron was the commander over the Elysian 15th Drop troops also known as the sky burners. He had been waging war against a crone world before suddenly during the conflict deciding that he should go and fight the tyranids. It had been a peculiar change of mind but because of his authority no one questioned him.

- Well lets just say that the Lord commander did not do as expected and now he's been replaced. He blew another cloud of smoke and then reached for a datapad from one of his pockets and started to go through it. Alrisia was just staring blankly at him, tears running down cheeks mixing with the sweat.

>>52268577
- It’s actually marvelous what a little genius and some sharp tools can do to face, this is top class work, no stupid rejuvenation can do this stuff. He showed her the data pad screen, its blue hue illuminating her face. It was a picture of her, at least it looked like her at first glance, same facial features, same jawline, it even had the small scar under her left earlobe that she had gained during her childhood, but what did not fit Alrisias face and made her whimper in despair was the pair of deep, colbalt blue eyes that had no feelings behind them but cold calculation. That's why they asked those vague questions, they wanted to know those details they already did not.

- please, don’t do this. She begged Armillius with despair in her voice, she plead him that she would not betray them again.

- I'm afraid that's too late now my dear, you should have stayed in line. Armillius stood up, threw his lho stick to the ground and stepped it out. He walked behind her she could hear a door open and close.

She heard the electric crack once again and this time she could not stop herself from screaming.

that was fun writing, hope you guys like it.

>>52268581
Is good. Really shows the shady shit that people would do for the survival of the Imperium, cruel but not needlessly cruel.

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>>52268568
>we are you
Pretty much sums up the big secretive three.

>>52270669
It's also not outside the realms of possibility that The Hydra has a whole library of useful personalities kept in storage that they just keep reusing in new bodies.

>>52266421
>Warp effectively act as a parallel galaxy so the Croneldar has an endless amount of materials to be converted into war assets, they just lack the numbers or industry to do it.

Keep in mind that those materials are not reliable to grossly understate it.

>>52271402
Yeah, the vanilla fluff indicates that apart from summoning daemons or the occasional daemon weapon, materiel needs to be obtained in the physical universe, hence Chaos needs to raid for supplies and slaves and such. Otherwise they could just magic things out of the warp or have tireless daemon labor produce everything.

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>>52270669
I guess this raises the question of what Oscar thinks of all this, he frowns pretty heavily on teamkilling and general dickishness. And he definitely knows it's going on, he knew the original Alpharius, presumably the AL still reports to him, and even if they didn't he can read the minds of everyone on the same planet on him in a few moments.

>>52271459
It's possible Oscar doesn't know the comings and goings of every member of the AL.

He is not as individually powerful in this AU as in Vanilla.

He would not be in favour of much of what they do but it's possible he doesn't know in the same way as he doesn't know about The Dragon of Mars. He knows they have secrets but so does everybody.

It's also possible that he wouldn't be able to cleanly stop them without even worse shit going down.

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>>52271459
AL might dress up as other Space Marines, Fallen Marines, or even Orks to fight the enemies of the Imperium but they don't teamkill. Generally being dickish but never resorting to it unless the alternative is worst. Hydras are probably directly working for either AL or Omega Marines (whoever ask first), knowingly or otherwise. Omega Marines should be the one teamkilling Imperials both human or Xenos. Things like assassinating a Seer for knowingly sending a Corp to their death or poisoning an Argi world right before it rebelled.

>>52271578
>>52271715
>>52271459
Alpha Legion and its offshoots probably also have a higher-than-average number turn traitor. When you're embedded in secret cults with little to no backup its really easy to fall if what they're saying starts resonating with you.

>It's also possible that he wouldn't be able to cleanly stop them without even worse shit going down.

Urgh, its like that recent issue in that one country where the country's own president couldn't shut down its CIA/KGB equivalent.

>assassinating a Seer for knowingly sending a Corp to their death or poisoning an Argi world right before it rebelled

I can see the first one, but the second seems a little strange. Can you honestly say that the Omega Marines wouldn't do the same if they had the same knowledge. It's like in the story above, where an inquisitor ends up hooked to a car battery and tortured for killing an Alpha Legion spy she didn't know was undercover. It seems a little myopic. But maybe that's the point, the Omega Marines are enraged at the death of one of their own despite them being in harms way. Despite fighting for the Imperium, they are not tame monsters.

>>52272052
>the country's own president couldn't shut down its CIA/KGB equivalent
The USSR right after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

>>52272052 (same)
That said, I agree with >>52271715 that the Omega marines should be the teamkilling dickbags that are completely off the books. Like, not even off the books Blood Ravens style, where their records are probably sealed by the Inquisition somewhere. As in totally black ops, not even officially sanctioned, seen as renegade Alpha Legion by those who know of them but don't know enough to be silenced.

A&O probably split them off from the main legion long ago to do all the dirty stuff even the Alpha Legion couldn't be associated with.

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>>52272052
>the second seems a little strange
Since the Omega Marines found evidence the Argi world will rebel but can't present it because they shouldn't even exist. Meaning they have to hand that info to the AL which might not be close enough to put down the rebellion or contact others not close enough. As the Omega Marines are basically none existent they don't have the weapons or numbers to fight a conventional war. Leading them to poison food production and stockpiles, so that when the Imperium response by sending a few regiments, the world just surrenders without a fight because 1/4 of the people died due to mass starvation.

>>52271459
>>52271578
>>52271715
>>52272052
>>52272122
Reminder that the Imperium's grimdark teamkilling idiocy is one of the things we were reacting against when creating this shindig, so if there is extrajudicial teamkilling it should be applied VERY carefully and rarely, both in-universe and narratively. For example, a seer purposely sending human troops to die could be solved with a court marshal and summary execution, and an AL member abducting and torturing an innocent Inquisitor should be considered renegade and hunted, presumably by other AL members since they seem like a largely self-policing institution.

>>52272310
>solved with a court marshal
Not if the Seer has enough friends in high places, escape, or the prosecution doesn't have enough evidence. That and the evidence was obtained illegally by Space Marines that shouldn't even exist so that's a problem.

>>52272187
I meant killing the seer who foresaw the Agri-world would rebel and poisoned the food supplies accordingly. Didn't know it was meant to refer to something else.

>>52272527
Sorry, I meant to say the Omega Marines assassinate a Seer or the Omega Marines poisoning an Argi world.

>>52272458
Let's not miss the forest for the trees here. And let's not forget, in the Assassin fluff the Emperor showed he is perfectly willing to personally liquidate any institutions that lack accountability and get out of hand.

>>52273567
This is true. If they become too monstrous they get one, and precisely one, chance to stand down and submit to a formal investigation.

Refusal would result in a personal interest being taken and as the Assassins will attest it is not a gentle option.

>>52272602
Yes.

But the question is still

Does the Omega Legion actually employ Marines? Or do they call in "favours" from chapters with dubious dealings?

>>52275208
I would say they do have Space Marines but there is just so few of them they can't act like a conventional military force. That means they use mostly use regular humans for everything not combat related. To keep a secret chapter a secret, they recruit so few members because the more mouths there are, the more likely somebody will talk.

>>52273567
The point I'm trying to get across is that the reason why they act like teamkilling assholes is because thats the only time they appear. When you need shit done that even the AL won't do is when the Imperium calls in ghe Omega Marines.

Would it not be fitting if after the war to unify terra, alpharius and omegon split into two different organs, either too in fighting between the two or they saw that they both saw that they exceeded in different areas, so alpharius made the have alpha legion which exceed in the more inderect infiltration so puppets and sleeper cells while omegon made the omega legion who make agressive infiltration or military action, both might make what the imperium see as inhumane or unorthodox when they themself its for the greater good. It would be nice tie-in to their normal fluff, that they joined horus so the galaxy would live and the theory that the alpha legion suffered from an civil war between the primarchs. Or is this already decided and have i missed what been said?

>>52275819
The bio for Alpharius and Omegon is a little scant on details as I think it was purposely written to be vague, so no, nothing like this has been discussed. However, I will say that the Alpha Legion civil war might not work thematically, as the Primarchs are all mature leaders of sound judgement who can work issues out instead of demigod autists with daddy issues. While we do have the major internal split in the Dark Angels, this is because we specifically noted that Lion is terrible with people (probably somewhere on the mild side of the spectrum) and narratively and thematically the Fallen are key to the DAs.

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picking up where I left off
Fulgrim himself was attempting to engineer a coup. Having seen the Imperium in his advance raids and equated it with the empire of old he deramed of, he wished to cut down the old leadership of his nation while it seemed within his power and steer it into his bright vision. He had surpassed even Lucius as a swordsman during his adventures in the New Atlantis campaign, and now Fulgrim planned to use his charm, fame, and the lure of technological enhancement to access necessary targets, and to ingratiate his cadre of enhanced officers in the matters of succession before decapitation. Though his early plan went well Fulgrim overestimated his own and his agents' ability to manipulate a government in the mounting chaos of total war with the Imperium, and it was not long before the self styled superhuman was at the mercy of Merikan secret police. He was saved by two plainly dressed men that introduced themselves as Ames and Ozzy, and bore the sigil of a hydra.

Under the aegis of these two Hydra contacts the Doe cadre continued Fulgrim's strategy to build support in the mass produced populations of the manufactories further back from the coast, but Fulgrim himself was to concede direct involvement in the operations in the capital. While Fulgrim's laboratories in the capital became the futurist's edifice to an advanced, phoenician Merika to the wonderment of the officer class and Lucius built up the manufactories of Moton into an advanced fortress city on the near edge of the Kalbi territories Fulgrim had little contact with either project. These power bases were tended by the Doe Cadre's inner circle under the direction of the Hydra and Major Lucius respectively, and while Furris visited his old home while it was under the major's command his work took him yet further from the center of the Doe conspiracy.

>>52276115
This is sort of what the setting was built around. The Primarchs were supposed to be great leaders among great leaders.

Unlike Vanilla's petulant idiots.

In this AU they earned their positions.

>>52276115
Yeah, i made them vague when i wrote them and keeping it as that is great, i just dont see as some other anons wrote that AL would not resort to team killing and replacing, ive would like to thing that AL would be the ones who would resort to killing their own for a greater purpose or for them not to ruin their plans. They would probably try to keep it away from the publics eyes and have it so no one would suspect that anything has changed.

>>52276355
Same anon as >>52242214
AL would be infiltration on the battlefield and OL is infiltration off of the battlefield.

>>52276115
>>52276264
That’s one of the things I like about this timeline. It really shows you why the primarchs were figures of such awe. The Emperor chose the primarchs because they were the best of the best, and in most cases because they were good men. Contrast with canon, where so many of the primarchs were so screwed up because, to put it bluntly, you can’t choose your own family (or, if you want to take the cynical/Master of Mankind route, the Emperor could only make so many primarchs and so he had to make every one count).

>Dark Angels

The whole situation with Lion and Luther was also based around sibling rivalry, the one thing guaranteed to turn otherwise reasonable adults into petulant manchildren.

>>52275819
>>52275574
For all we know, many Omega Marines could just be Alpha Legionaires wearing different armor when they perform tasks off the books, much like how Omegon had that set of unpainted armor.

It's also possible that the brothers just had a disagreement over how to lead the legion and resolved it among themselves. Though I agree that of all the legions the Alpha Legion is by far the most likely to teamkill in the name of a greater good (not that they'd be happy about it).

>>52276197
Under the cover of another exploratory mission to the bunkers and cracks of the western mountain line, Fulgrim and his mechanists traveled the length of the rocky spine and loosely governed western territories beyond. It was true they again delved the chains of fortresses and redoubts and sunken chambers under those lands for new relics of the golden age, but only least of these fruits ever reached Merikan high command. More than this, Fulgrim secured the support of the enclaves whose knowledge had driven his successes years prior, and in the druidic labs of the geno-hippes (an ancient title) Fulgrim and his proto-Alpha legion contacts established forward positions from which to build Astarte forces. The work done in these installations unified Fulgrim and the Geno-hippes' cybernetically and biologically upgraded "Doe" MkII Astarte with the Deutch-Jemanic genesmiths' MkIII pattern. By Fulgrim's promises and intrigues much of the western territory would come to favor his succession, and for his technological efforts on their behalf they held him in better regard than high command. The collaboration of the Geno-hippes allowed state of the art supersoldier assets to be built in the mountain enclaves even into the heart of governor Rogal Dorn's beleaguered territory. Less than a year since it nearly died with its indiscreet leader Fulgrim's conspiracy was at its zenith. The destruction and capture of the airbases on New Atlantis saw the top Merikan marshals and generals returned to the capital to prepare a counterattack to keep the theater of war on the artificial continent as well as the fortification of the atlantic coast. Lucius had made dramatic use of the Doe combat cyborgs Fulgrim had premiered in europe to aid the hapless commander tasked with the re-conquest of Dorn's dominion entrenched in west and northern Kalbi, but these showy operations had done more to lionize the super-soldiers as they strode about in gleaming gold and purple.

>>52277549
The guns of the imperium were turning squarely to Merika, massive Skandian naval forces and the air forces of Europa and the quadruple alliance gathered at New Atlantis. The ancient Merikan starships that hung in orbit over the continent were moved in a careful dance to deny space superiority to the heirloom fleet the Imperium brought to bear, as well as guarding the panama fortresses from the long time foe. Fulgrim returned to the capital as plans were being drawn up to leap back to New Atlantis and charge from Europa to Uralia with Doe cyborgs leading the way. Others were being conceived to quickly stamp out Governor Dorn's decades long rebellion and annihilate it to the last, with the field marshal already engaged backed by masses of advanced weapons deployed from Moton. Neither plan would see action, and as Fulgrim returned to announce promises of support from western military governors with all due fanfare he was accompanied by a brigade of what seemed to all a new generation of cyborg soldiers, fair and clad in bright ceremonial armor. Days after he arrived Merika and the Imperium were fighting in and above the atlantic, all west of the artificial continent. Air Forces clashed above the naval blockades and the coasts, and orbital assets made firing lines hundreds of kilometers long. Orders began to issue to Moton to begin operation in Kalbi, and soon Doe designed and piloted gunships and drop troops were buzzing northwest towards the Merikan position. Impenetrable havoc erupted when the first company of Terra's Sons, led by Fulgrim the Futurist, fortified the Doe laboratories and began conducting brutal raids on enemy factions within the Merikan command structure and officer corps also entrenched in the capital.

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So the Kroot in this AU were still recruited into the Tau Empire before they all joined the Imperium but what about afterwards?

Even in Vanilla the Kroot were notoriously difficult to keep in line. With much easier travel across the galaxy and the Tau no legal right to stop them once they get out of the Tau Empires bounds they could travel far. I'm imagining nomadic hunting bands latching on to the Imperial Guard. Their price for joining the battle? Being allowed to join the battle and eat the foes, should the foes be worthy of being eaten.

Also with the greater prominence of the AdBio how do the Shapers feel about splice animals?

Are there splice cattle that they avoid or, heresy of heresies, seek out?

Also it is stated that Shas'O'Kais, Tau Doomguy, is to have his body put in a meat freezer and sent to Pech for an elaborate funeral feast. This is freakish behavior but how much so?

>>52278421
In the first hours of fighting the citadel of the high command had been raided by teleporter insertion of un-blazoned power-armored commandos. Subsequent fighting over the building saw it bombed to rubble by Merikan air assets. Fulgrim officially seized dictatorial emergency powers, and with a company drawn from his long honed circle of mechanists he corrected his rivals in the capital, making great show of the advanced forces the same officers had counted on for their grand strategies. The Futurist took Merika's reigns and cowed the old fractious military houses in the wake of what he called an opportunistic Hy-Brasealian attack and his enemies attributed to the Imperium.

>>52279268
Prior to the decapitation of the Merikan military the Kalbi expeditionary force had embarked on a hard offensive against Dorn, counting on support from Moton's special forces. Lucius lead the second company of Terra's Sons and cybernetic Moton drop brigades to smash the expeditionary force against Dorn's built up battle lines. The Merikan cruiser above Kalbi was quick to reposition for the the bombardment of the Moton citadel, and its few volleys were devastating before it was crippled by boarding forces of Merikanized skitarii led by a second cadre of Terra's Sons. In the capital there was stalemate between Fulgrim and the remains of the upper command structure, with most of the lower officers either sided with the futurist or destroyed, but the campaigns in the north were fast concluded and Lucius advanced southeast with Dorn's forces. The Merikan Orbital Brigades and Navy were old institutions and remained staunchly opposed to Fulgrim, and supported ground forces throughout the gulf coast and around the panama fortifications. As Merikan reserves were mobilized towards the unfolding disaster in Kalbi the Astartes forces in the rockies swept east across the continent at the head of the western territories' military forces and made rapid progress securing the Merikan heartland despite orbital bombardment from opposing factions. The machine-stubber and rocketeer and armored fighting carriage battalions that had been the Junta's unbeatable scourge were little use against equivalent forces backed by Astartes and Skitarii, and as the Terra's Sons force convened at Moton Merikan air forces fought the futurist's aces above the great plains. Within a week of the stalemate the Merikan navy and space brigade had retreated and shortened the blockade so they could both bombard the capital and keep imperial forces from doing the same.

>>52278903
My guess is the relationship between the Imperium and the Kroot is about the same as the Kroot and the Tau in vanilla. The greater Imperium sees the Kroot as a protectorate. The Kroot see the Imperium as preferred clientele. In vanilla, the Kroot are supposed to work exclusively for the Tau, but still hire themselves out to other races such as the vanilla!Imperium, suggesting they don’t really have much of a concept of alliance beyond a mercenarial one.

In theory this dissonance between how the two powers view their relationship should lead to severe consequences. In practice, the two definitions end up being about the same, because there are so few people for the Kroot to ally with outside of the Imperium. The Kroot won’t work for Necrons, orks, or Chaos, who are the only other major groups that would hire them, so they end up being a much more reliable ally than the Tarellians, who are sometimes found in Chaos or ork warbands.

The Kroot have to eat the flesh of sapient creatures to survive. In vanilla, it’s implied the Tau are intentionally curbing the Kroot’s tendencies into an evolutionary dead-end so they can expand into the former Kroot enclaves. Given that the Tau are genuinely good people here, this is probably not the case.

>I'm imagining nomadic hunting bands latching on to the Imperial Guard. Their price for joining the battle? Being allowed to join the battle and eat the foes, should the foes be worthy of being eaten.

This is probably exactly how it happens. Kroot fight in exchange for supplies and the right to eat the dead. The Kroot are implied to have first gained sentience when Kroothawks scavenged some orks. The Kroot are veritable ork-eating machines. You want to see what a natural predator of orks looks like? This is it.

>>52278903
>>52279643 (cont.)
>This is freakish behavior but how much so?

Kroot religious beliefs seem to be based on those of certain tribes in Papua New Guinea. When an individual dies, the only way to keep their spirit alive is by eating their flesh.

If the Kroot found out that many species were actually incapable of eating their own dead (like humans, with the prions, or Tau, being primarily herbivorous with some seafood and very little red meat in the diet), they would probably pity them.

>>52279683
Or it could be that the Kroot are intentionally opting out of their heaven. The war isn't over, the price has not been met. Orks trampled their homeworld, burned the ancient jagga trees, made omelettes out of their young and desecrated their sacred grounds. They awoke war. War will come for them. War will eat them. So long as the debt is unpaid they won't know rest. The full blood price is the death of the orks. All of the orks to the last grot.

Incidentally, what would happen if the orks started eating Catachan Devil or Fenrisian Kraken? They were once 'Nids but they have mutated to the point where they are 'Nid no longer.

>>52279494
Fulgrim and Terra's Sons first company continues to fight for the capital under heavy shelling and the highest rate of lance strikes the capital's overwatching ship could muster. They were supported by most of the remaining officer corps against the remaining High command holdouts, themselves supported by Merican marines and loyalist military regiments. Fireteams of Astartes in Imperial livery are active in south and Imperial soldiers landed in Newfoundland and the gulf were met by the advanced guard of the forces that started from the rockies or Moton. Lucius and Dorn's forces and the Terra's Sons company that lead the southern campaign march on the eastern seaboard and pacify or simply co-opt the remaining ground forces, nearly all of which remain unclear on the state of affairs. Merikan Space Brigade gets forced to retreat from the battle for the capital by subsequent attacks, leaving the Merikan Navy to go regroup over the Panama defenses, which had become the stronghold of Merikan loyalists. In short order the Merikan blockade was broken by the Imperials and the Merikan Navy suffered mutiny and folded. The Imperial Navy and Air Forces accompanied the battered Merikan Navy into the harbor of the capital, and the cratered slopes of its anti-fallout pyramid bunker-citadels were lined with Merikan officers and civilians as Imperial engineers and officials of every land and discipline piled off amidst the columns of proud soldiers in the livery of Franj, Gredbritton, Achemedinia, and Europia. The Imperial delegation was marched to the Doe complex by the Futurist's own men of equal, clad in purple with emblems of raptors and well known to the capital from the past weeks. The Imperials had hardly arrived at what had become the de facto seat of government for a day before those same engineers and Furris's mechanists came together drafting plans for reconstruction.

>>52280131
The remains of the Space Brigade took aboard much of the Panama garrison and its war material, but lingering on between the changed Merikan regime and Hy Braseal did them no service. Fulgrim quickly restructured the Merikan regime with the backing of his supporters in the western territories and the officer houses. Any who had unsure loyalty or joined him in the confusion of the coup soon found they had everything to gain by his favor and everything to lose between Fulgrim's personal forces and the armies of the Imperium at his back. Some days after the landing of the Imperial armada Fulgrim had strode forth in purple robes on the balcony of the High Officer and proudly announced the comfortable terms on which Merika would go on to join the Imperium, as if he had been made to fight for them. In fact, he had already delivered them the dominion mostly in tact, and what dirty work had needed doing was accomplished in the coup. What remained of the Merikan Space Brigade never reconvened after regrouping at Panama. The bulk of the small fleet drove for deep space, and vanished from history, while about half their number mobilized to attack the Imperial ships above the eastern seaboard, of which two were disabled and one captured. Those that remained over Panama held for two months, and subsequently defected to Hy-Braseal.

(more to come later)

>>52276197
>>52277549
>>52278421
>>52279268
>>52279494
>>52280131
>>52280500
I see the core of something interesting in here, so I hope you take this as constructive rather than critical when I say this really, really needs some editing. The blow by blow of every action is dense and all the build up and battles could probably be summarized in a few paragraphs. For example, you mention, "It was true they again delved the chains of fortresses and redoubts and sunken chambers under those lands for new relics of the golden age, but only least of these fruits ever reached Merikan high command." No mention of this or any technology recovered ever comes up again and doesn't particularly serve to detail the setting either, so why is it here? I know the feeling, you have a bunch of ideas and things you want to say, but for the sake of narrative you need to pick and choose what's important, because as it stands I'm losing the flow of the greater narrative arc in all the detail.

There's also stylistic stuff like the varying tone and word choice, as well as switches from past tense to present tense back to past. Paragraphs and line breaks would also help to break up the blobs of text.

Take a keen look at what you have and make some edits and I'd be interested to see what emerges.

>>52279774
>Or it could be that the Kroot are intentionally opting out of their heaven.

The only issue is the Kroot need to keep eating at least some sapient flesh to stay sapient. Otherwise they end up like Krootox and Knarlocs. The flesh doesn't have be from living beings, so the best way to get a ready supply of it is to eat their own dead.

>They were once 'Nids but they have mutated to the point where they are 'Nid no longer.

In this universe, it was suggested that the Catachan Devil and the Fenrisian Kraken aren't 'nids. Instead, the Ymgarl genestealers have been committing bioespionage and raiding the Milky Way's evolutionary pantry, much as they did with Zoanthropes and the Eldar. Smash and grab operations such that when the Hive Fleet makes galaxyfall, it already has some of the best toys in the genetic arsenal.

According to the Kroot regular 'nids taste pretty good but are addicting.

>>52280982
You're right on the nose about the copy editing, I was hammering these out between classes and you've pointed out the same flaws my writing always picks up. Still, I'm writing for fun, not brevity, so I'll include the details I enjoy, and the tone and focus of the content is much in line with what I've already written for fulgrim. Like usual I welcome any proofreading or editing the thread wants to do, but I'm busy and don't have time to make a second edition, and find this work to be no less polished than much of the other writing in the thread.

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>>52281191
About 100 years after the Imperial Civil War, the entire Ultima Segmentum had many "Xenos worshipping cults" trying to take over worlds to rebel from the Imperium. Ordo Securitas had to put them down with great effort. Meaning the Hive fleets had been preparing to attack the galaxy for a while now, that's why when the Tyranid hit, entire sub-sectors were lost before Terra could respond. A few xenos civilizations on the edge of the galaxy and outside of the Imperium just disappeared because how powerful the Hive fleets were.

>>52282478
That's the Genestealer Wars, isn't it? Imperium suffers from a plague of genestealer cults to the point where it becomes a pandemic, but eventually manages to eradicate the majority of them (although there are always enclaves that are missed on Space Hulks and Hive Worlds).

Genestealer levels as of M41 are considered "low", despite the tyranids rampaging through the galaxy as in vanilla. That should tell you how bad peak genestealer was.

I always liked how the Genestealer Wars here both established the genestealers as a credible threat even without their connections to the tyranids, and the nice little meta-humor nod to the changing canon of 40k thrown in. Like in early editions, genestealers were considered the primary problem and tyranids were relative nobodies, until it turns out the genestealers were vanguards for something much worse.

>>52282478
The Ordo Xenos would also be all over like flies on shit, especially when word gets out: "Hm, that's funny, these cultists and rebels seem to have 3 arms and purple skin."

>>52283668
>xenos-worshipping cults are a big threat
>these cults could even destroy the Imperium from within
>xenos they are worshipping are literally whos
>xenos aren't even a minor threat by themselves
Several centuries later
>literally who xenos are now besieging all of the galactic east
>endless amounts of more and different literally whos are pouring into the galaxy
Every time GW moves the story forward, they have to destroy everything.

>>52282478
Bottom left corner.

>>52285622
>Let me tell you
>About Tyranids

Im going to write some stuff about the little guys now, some stuff about civilians.

>>52281191
>The only issue is the Kroot need to keep eating at least some sapient flesh to stay sapient

So they eat their dead and the occasional donated oddity like Shas'O'Kais. But how long can they keep that up? No all deaths result in a body that can be consumed and the oddities are rare.

Also the fact that they will have to bulk out the majority of their diet with non-sapient meat like grox and beef would result in this being watered down further. Eventually without another Ork invasion to spice things up and press the reset button they will fade away.

To this end I can imagine the AdBio getting involved. The gradual death of the mind to an organization whose everything is about the preservation and expansion of knowledge this is some serious horror movie business.

They can't correct the "fading" effect inherent to the Kroot themselves due to the non-standard genetics. It would take centuries to decipher and longer to fix, also the Shapers wouldn't allow such tampering.

This leaves only 3 options;

1. The handing over of unclaimed bodies in near-Pech space for the common good of the Kroot. Unpopular and impractical and the need would still massively outstrip supply.

2. Breeding sapients for consumption. That's massively Crone Eldar levels of fucked up and would cause the intervention of the Arbiters, Inquisition, Path Judges and possibly even the Emperor himself.

3. Cloning donated tissue samples in a factory-labs. They don't need to grow the whole organism, just some nice lean muscle tissue. The Imperium is generally against the consumption of flesh of it's citizens but they would make an exception in this case and so it is the most likely.

>>52286693
Hardcore traditionalist Kroot would turn their beaks up at option 3 but options 1 and 2 are not exactly in lien with their hunter faiths either. To the hardcore Shapers their is only relentless battle for flesh in the conflicts of the Imperium. It is said by the more pragmatic Shapers that maybe some kroot they need to cut down on the amount of ork in their diet.

>>52280500
>(more to come later)

Waiting with hope.

Also is the anon last thread with the Angron story still here?

>>52286693
>>52286703
I think Kroot may also suffer from the same fucked up imprinted genetics issue the primarchs in vanilla do. It's mentioned in canon that Kroot also take on behavioral traits of whomever they eat. Eat a lot of Dark Eldar, and they become sadistic dicks. Eat a lot of vanilla!humans, they become religious nutters, eat a lot of orks, they become more violent. Cloned meat may suffer from the problem that it was never alive, and so lacks the behavioural information the Kroot need.

Or they could prefer the cloned meat. If it's enough to maintain sapience but not affect their behavior, Kroot would like it because it would be like having food that wasn't drugged for once in your life.

Or that doesn't exist as much in this timeline, since we dialed back some of the more ridiculous memory-transferring stuff.

>>52288435
Let's dial back the "remember shit from eating it" levels of fucking retardation if possible.

Eating Dark Eldar (before they went to Chaos and landed on the no-eats list) would not result in them becoming sadistic assholes despite the media propagated folk belief. Given that the Dark Eldar are still genetically the same as the Craftworlders it would make them more agile and dexterous and give them an increased likelihood of having psychic children.

Down side is that it would "push out" some of the older ork genes so they might loose a bit of muscle mass.

>>52287587
Yeah, I'm still around, it's just a crazy week at work so not a lot of writing is going to get done.

I've posted other stuff, you may be able to tell which writefag I am by my excessive love of commas

>>52288599
I think we did that with the Omophagea too. It was either the pet project of the genesmiths or the hippies (I think the latter) in the Mark III that the Warlord wasn't too impressed with and it only gave minor results (general impressions, not whole memories).

Are the Dark Eldar the same subspecies? There isn't the same level of gene flow as in canon, and the Craftworlders aren't being dumb and trying to get along with them despite the Dark Eldar raiding the Craftworlds and killing their aspect warriors as part of the incubus initiation ritual.

>>52289352
For the elder the generation gape is not that much since the Fall. Well out of living memory for all but the odd freak and out of the living memory of most anyone has met.

The founding of The Dark City and the Dark Eldar as a whole is as far removed as the American war of independence is from modern USA.

>>52287587
Next part will be post-unification/great crusade era stuff. My description of the fall of Merika got a bit overwrought when I realized it was the last war of Unification, but at least I'm no longer keeping Dorn from being written.

>>52290602
Please tell me you have added it to the page. I would but it's difficult on phone.

>>52262671
I like this picture.
Each time I see it I image this as something that is seen by old veteran guardsmen that is just happy on his retirement, knowing that going through all this shit was worth it.
Horrors of his youth are now just a fairy tale for kids to play with, his and his friends sacrifice paid off, and he knows that he may rest and pass away peacefully surrounded by his family.

>>52290955
I like the Taldeer and LIVII reference. It fits for this AU.

>>52291320
I can easily see both of them as poster couple of human-eldar friendship, with big amounts of biology cogboys working overtime to make their daughter possible.
After all who would not fight harder if he knew it could let to him getting qt eldar waifu?

>>52291505
We've already cast this one already.

As of 999M41 Taldeer is in the final days of the first natural hybrid pregnancy in history. It is an impossible pregnancy. It is assumed to be a trial run for the prophesied Impossible Child of Isha and Oscar. This has a lot of people very worried because of the other stuff in the Starchild Prophesies.

Any previous hybrids were one ofs done at great expense by the AdBio for reasons of dubious morality or just to see if they could.

Eldrad has seen the face of his granddaughter in his visions but he doesn't know if he will get to see her with his own eyes due to his impending mortality.

They are not on any posters due to their relationship being considered most improper. Also Taldeer would murder anyone who tried to make such a poster.

The Phoenix Lords in this AU were the eldar that traveled Oscar and Asurmen to rescue Isha and didn't develop any sort of PTSD afterwards.

But what of Arhra the Fallen Phoenix?

>>52293650
*cough*Drahzar*cough*

Seriously, the one blurb we have on Drahzar is that there are rumors that he was involved in the raid on Nurgle's Mansion. Which would make sense if he was Arhra. Of course, it could not be true, but who knows.

I was going to mention this in the last thread, but never really got a chance to. In one of the previous threads, it was mentioned that M41 humanity is probably somewhat different from modern humanity due to genetic tinkering during their Golden Age. Funny thing is, this probably extends to some extent to the Eldar too. The Eldar weren’t always a bunch of long-lived super-psykers. Once they were just a bunch of primitives banging rocks together, just like everyone else. It’s just that since then, unlike the other races, they’ve undergone massive self-improving genetic engineering to become the long-lived, highly-skilled, all-psyker race that we know and love. Heck the Emperor’s plan in canon was essentially to turn humanity into Eldar 2.0.

The Eldar have undergone massive genetic engineering at least twice in their history, once by the Old Ones when they were originally uplifted, and then by the millions of years they had on their own to get good following the War in Heaven. That’s at least sixty million years to figure out as many alleles as possible to maximize longevity and health. Indeed, they probably could have done more, but just found reincarnation to be a more effective solution. As a result, by the time of the Fall, the Eldar had tinkered with their genetic code for so long that the artificial modifications were seen as just a normal part of the Eldar genome because everyone had them. Heck, it was mentioned that with medical treatments and genetic therapy the pre-Fall Eldar could live even longer (Vect and Eldrad both being at least 10,000 years old).

>>52294821 (cont.)
Many of the features of the Eldar seen today seem to be related to or enhanced by their longevity. Sort of like how humans went from being “that species that uses tools” to tool use defining our species’ entire lifestyle. The Eldar have taken their longevity and min-maxed the shit out of it. The Eldar may be naturally graceful, but that grace is enhanced by having centuries to train their body, similar to how old people today are able to move more efficiently because they are more used to the quirks and limits of their body. The same is probably true with psykery. It has been mentioned in vanilla that psychic species require longer development than non-psychic ones, something that would be offset by an extremely long lifespan and low death rate. Additionally, the longer lifespan allows for greater refinement and control of psychic powers, which shorter-lived psychic races like humanity can only accomplish through training from hell (e.g., Grey Knights).

>>52294821
>>52294853
I say this because it relates to an idea I had regarding Fabius Bile.

http://pastebin.com/E97tBwU8

Additional comments in spoilers for those who haven't read document yet.

I couldn’t think of the right word to describe Bile’s relationship with Vect. It’s not like Bile holds a position of high power in Vect’s Kabal. As another anon said, it’s more like Bile owes a few years of unpaid rent and has Asdrubael Vect standing over his shoulder menacingly. Vect likes using Bile because Bile fears him more than he hates him, and because it keeps the other Haemonculi whose services he patronizes on their toes.

I left out a greater description of Bile since this was supposed to be more about the New Men. However, Bile has plenty of other personal projects beyond perfecting the New Men. Such as getting genetic data from Oscar and Sanguinius, as well as the Mark III S in general. Bile has gotten all the information he can out of the normal gene-seed, and any of the three would be hugely beneficial to his work.

The reason Bile’s New Men are failing is warp fuckery, like with ansible twins. If you were to do the exact same thing as with normal methods of splicing and in-vitro growth, you would end up with an odd but socially well-adjusted strain of abhumans. But since Bile is using Dark Eldar technology and the New Men are literally grown from pain and suffering, they turn out wrong (especially since they’re psykers).

>>52291770
There is the question about cross rank fraternization.

Technically speaking, they're both outside of traditional Imperial Army hierarchy, with Taldeer being the nebulous rank of Colonel-Farseer, and Liivi being an attached assassin, but one is supposed to be giving the other orders.

Plus, Sreta Ulthran. Taldeer, despite forsaking her duties to the House of Ulthran is still tied by blood. Who knows what Sreta thinks.

>>52295113
We know what Sreta thinks. Taldeer went into the military to get away from Sreta and her cartel-ing and nepotism. Found the frank, straightforward nature of the military much more to her liking than the byzantine politics of the house of Ulthran.

Ironically, this act of defiance made Taldeer one of Eldrad's favorites among his extended family, because she was willing to go out and forge her own destiny rather than rely on the family name.

Sreta doesn't like it because it's caused a schism in the family. Taldeer leaving off on her own has shown that Sreta's not all-powerful and it's possible for someone to succeed without her, and the members of House Ulthran who Sreta snubbed or those who found her too slimy for comfort support Taldeer, despite Taldeer not giving a flying fuck about the politics of House Ulthran.

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>>52294912
Is good.

It certainly show the callousness of dear old Dr. Bile. Who cares if you accidentally create a race of second rate axe murderers inside the bodies of super soldiers, just herd them at the Imperium and start again.

There was also something mentioned in the last thread about how due to a quirk of his superhuman physiology he is dying and has been dying for a very long time.

His method of longevity has been direct consciousness transfer. He makes a clone body from a cell of his original corpse, or the earliest copy he still has, and grows it in a jar. Once it reaches fully developed he implants it with all the astartes parts. If it survives that he dowloads into it.

So far he is on his 117th body or some such number.

When the AdBio found out what he was doing they declared it to be "Total fucking bullshit! Brains do not work that way". Further attempts to determine how he performed his bullshit have not resulted in any success so far.

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>>52296864
A lot of the traits of the New Men (particularly the flaws) are taken verbatim from the Afriel Strain. It sounds more like the results of something Bile would do in this timeline since the AdBio would know that genetics do not work that way (and the Warp certainly doesn't).

Deliberately wrote the New Men in such a way that they wouldn't be seen as innocents forced to be monsters, and yet avoid the implications of "genetic engineering bad, ooga booga". It also adds a bit of the arrogance and madness of Dr. Bile. A reasonable scientist would think "maybe I should create the race of psykers through nice, reasonable methods that don't involve anguish and pain, if for no other reason than I want well-adjusted individuals". Bile can't see the problem that's staring him in the face and until he does he's going to keep getting monsters. If he did things normally the results would be as emotionally normal as Oscar.

Resurrecting the Men of Gold also seemed like a good goal for Bile since Oscar isn't a vegetable and the Primarchs aren't demigods. He wants Sangy's DNA because A) Mark III S geneseed, and B) genetically engineered for maximum compatibility with it.

>There was also something mentioned in the last thread about how due to a quirk of his superhuman physiology he is dying and has been dying for a very long time.

We never figured out if he is dying or not. In canon he was dying because someone sabotaged the majority of the Emperor's Children geneseed. Here that's not the case, because geneseed is interchangeable between chapters (except Space Wolves and Iron Hands, who don't use it). Fulgirm's legion got wrecked by Iron Cage (or whatever we decide to call it).

>>52297652
Forgot to add, it was mentioned that he HAS performed the clone-and-switch at least a few times, because he's still alive by M41 and even an Astartes in Commoragh would have aged to death by now.

>>52297652
Honestly, from the description they don't even seem that poorly adjusted. I mean, if you want them to interact with other species then only having empathy for other New Men is a problem, but if you just stuck a bunch of New Men on their own planet and let them create their own society it seems like it would turn out fine.

I wonder if any New Men have defected to the Imperium. A lot of them probably resent being discarded and used as cannon fodder.

>>52297803
The only having empathy for New Men thing is supposed to be due to warp fuckery and massive trauma. I had a thought that one of the few instances the New Men showed empathy outside their own kind was in the surrogate experiments where their surrogate parents were threatened. Of course, being socially maladjusted, this empathetic response took the form of removing the threatening individual's arm. Think Afriel Strain, they seem to want to do the right thing, but they just don't get it.

Really the bigger issue is I didn't want the Imperium to get their hands on a population that without augmentations can reliably fight an Eldar or Sister and win. Or letting the Imperium know it is possible to make people like that. The quirky abhumans finally being free to live in peace would probably be one of Eldrad's Golden Age things, along with (non-canonical) best-case scenarios like Ynnead creating the biological singularity, or the Void Dragon slapping the AdMech until they get over their fear of inventing.

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>>52298011
A handful of New Men going over to the Imperium probably wouldn't allow them to make more. I imagine Fabby B is an expert at DRM (DNA Rights Management), so any individuals defecting would remain just that- individuals.

>>52300508
They're still abhumans, so they can still breed naturally. The New Men include both men and women (Bile even makes a point to do so in canon), and they would have to be capable of producing offspring if Bile intended them to be "the next stage in human evolution".

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Running off of the idea that, what would a Dark Heresy game look like if a PC was an Eldar Inquisitor fighting against vampires from JJBA?
Part 1
>http://pastebin.com/JXGgPE7H

Part 1.1
>http://pastebin.com/mcUhNXmZ
GeGe comes from a literally where? Maiden world and fought in the IG against a literally who? Hive fleet

>>52301431
I'd leave it up in the air with the psychological issues of the New Men.

On the one hand it could be inherent to them because they were made by dubious methods in the Dark City.

On the other hand they were raised in the Dark City. They never knew any other life.

Are they capable of redemption? Hard to say given how few have been taken alive.

>>52294853
So what were the original primitive proto-eldar like?

Bump

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We know that Ferrus Manus lived to see the end of the Civil War and that he died in one of the later Armageddon Wars.

We know that he was long since by that point one big Centurion sized machine with a human brain in it somewhere. He was more loyal to Mars than Earth and considered the Imperium an extension of the Mechanicum.

But that is about all we know.

What did he do in the mean time? He was the last of the primarchs to die and that's a big blank canvas.

Same with Vulkan. Also does anyone have any idea on what the Promethean faith is like?

>>52303904
The only thing that's said about them in canon is that early in their history (seemigly their first contact with another sapient race while expanding past their homeworld) they were invaded by an alien race known as the Mon-Keigh, which were eventually eradicated by the hero Elrondhir. Then after that the Old Ones uplifted them to fight their battles in the War in Heaven.

I imagine a proto-Eldar would not be that much different than a Tau or human. Everyone has to come from somewhere.

>>52302970
I would leave it at the above. If the New Men were created from scratch in an AdBio lab using normal techniques and raised in a healthy environment, they'd be fine. Something Bile's doing is screwing them up, but it's impossible to say exactly what.

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>>52306531
Or it could be that the Eldar were the warrior caste uplifted by the Old Ones and Mon-Keigh were the eldar that were the unaltered versions.

They exist for a time on the old homeworld of Shaa'dom (now a shellworld directly in the centre of the Eye of Terror) in an uneasy peace. The Mon-Keigh getting more and more marginalized by the objectively better Eldar. Eventually it all comes to a head and the Mon-Keigh get exterminated more or less.

There may have been survivor pockets and collaborators left alone but in time they faded away. They didn't have the numbers or population density to survive and interbred with the modern eldar and faded away as a distinct breed.

Hence Mon-Keigh meaning lesser people in the modern High Tongue. They were objectively by every measure.

The human supremacists don't know this story. Nobody outside the Harlequins and the Black Library knows it in full. If they did they might worry what Lofn and the Impossible Child might mean for baseline humanity. But then also might the Eldar supremacists worry. Exactly who would end up on the arse end of a cautionary tale is a mater of opinion.

>>52306690
I would argue to keep the relationship between the Mon-Keigh and Eldar the same as in canon. The fight between the Mon-Keigh and the Eldar in canon is supposed to be one of the reasons why the Eldar have such a hard time trusting other species, since their first contact went so bad. It also shows that the Eldar were just as capable of fighting their own wars before the Old Ones found them. It keeps HFY to a minimum because it shows the Eldar were just as capable of achieving things on their own as humanity, it’s just their advancement got massively accelerated by the Old Ones and the sixty million years they’ve had to git gud following the War in Heaven. The Eldar just weren’t handed the galaxy on a silver platter.

Also, the whole “genetocracy causing the original Eldar to end up as an underclass and eventually get genocided” sounds a bit grimdark. The Eldar already had at least one massive screw-up in their history.

The Old Ones might have just uplifted the entire species beyond the warriors, as well. Modern Eldar are capable of bouncing around professions (to the point of being able to modify gene-expression depending on the path in canon), it’s not like they’re Tau.

The Eldar posture as a superior species, but that might be because in their mind they’ve fucking earned it. They went from being a race banging rocks together or having just colonized a few star systems when they suddenly get thrown into a war where the power levels are almost beyond their comprehension. And they have no time to adjust to this technology, they have to learn on the job. So in their opinion, yes they’ve earned their position as one of the dominant species of the galaxy, because they had to go through hell and back to get there.

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>>52306522
I always imagined that Ferrus Manus being the kind of person who always worded things as logical deductions, despite it being clear that his motivations weren’t always solely motivated by logic. As a result, he would often take actions that didn’t seem in the Imperium’s best interests, but the infuriating part was that it was almost impossible to argue against them on purely logical grounds.

E.g., during the War of the Beast he probably justified defending Mars and the Forge Worlds by pointing out that Earth wasn’t the only world threatened when the Beast’s elite entered Sol, and the other primarchs had the defense of Earth well in hand. Once the War of the Beast was over, the Imperium was going to have to do a lot of rebuilding, which would have been nearly impossible if the industrial base of Mars fell. It was infuriatingly clear he just valued Mars higher than the other worlds of Sol, but the thing is he wasn’t wrong from a coldly logical standpoint.

“While Mars stands, the Imperium shall stand; when Mars falls, the Imperium shall fall; when the Imperium falls, the world shall fall”.

Vulkan it was mentioned was the Emperor’s paladin for many millennia, as a result of his long lifespan and being such a good warrior he was almost damn near unkillable.

Prometheanism has been said to focus heavily on strength through community. This is almost the exact opposite of what Ferrus believed. It has been pointed out a couple of times that Vulkan and Ferrus would have butted heads through the centuries until Vulkan died. Vulkan would have considered Ferrus a brutish asscrack with no empathy and Ferrus would have considered Vulkan too sentimental and idealistic.

>>52266340
>>52266788
>redemption
I like the idea of some some fallen marines who renounced the Imperium and Oscar, but realised the error of their ways - too late to be brought back into the fold, though, so they sentence themselves to their own endless penitent crusade

>>52308105
>https://youtu.be/H_to6Rru5sQ
Pretty much like this but forever instead of 100 years.

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Given that there doesn't seem to be Perpetuals in this AU, thank God, what is Anval Thawn of the Grey Knights?

In vanilla he is possibly last of the Perpetuals who just keeps coming back again and again and again and again and again for thousands and possibly tens of thousands of years.

Although the concept of Perpetuals was controversial in terms of fitting the setting of Vanilla it's possibly more so unfitting for this one.

But on the other hand the idea of one determined bastard to stupid or stubborn to lie down in the wormy earth and die who for reasons unknown to all and himself marching forward forever really does. Or at least I think it does, you might disagree.

So what of Brother Anval Thawn? He was just one more Grey Knight among the brotherhoods until he punched the lid off of his coffin mid funereal. Some say he is blessed of Nurgle with unnatural immortality. Some say he is cursed by Nurgel as no other, he will get to watch the slaw march of entropy, the final and inevitable triumph of the Grandfather as all held dear succumbs to rot.

If it was a curse of Nurgle it has back fired at least for now as Brother Thawn refuses to give up hope. If some cruel god sees fit to give him a second chance he will spit in that gods eye and cut his followers down.

Pic related. Video goes with the pic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9DirXo_-xQ

Is there a spesific person adding stuff to the page?

>>52310535
No.

Or at least I don't think so.

I've added stuff and I haven't been the only one by a long ass fucking way. There are a number but I couldn't guess how many.

editfag dreams of organizing it all into something more orderly and I wish him luck but beyond that who the fuck even knows.

>>52310662
Noice, ill be adding my writefaggotry in then

>>52310535
>>52310662
>>52310779
The unspoken etiquette has generally been to post any new stuff to the threads first to see if no one else has any problems with it or it contradicts previous fluff.

>>52310925
Well i posted my AL story early in the thread and its kinda hard to tell if people found problems with it, it seems mixed.

>>52311042
It was good.

Main thing people were saying was that it was grim as fuck, not that it was bad.

It fits in this setting in the Darker end of what the Imperium (or organizations in the Imperium) are prepared to do to avoid something far, far worse.

>>52311501
Is it worth putting it into the 1d4chan page then?

>>52311835
yes, and feel free to add to the notes page while you're at it

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>>52311835
Yes.

>>52301434
>splinter fleet of Hive fleet Moloch fought the Vostroyans that one time
I hate how a Hive fleet gets jack shit in lore from GW. Hopefully, this AU can expand on it literally whos.

>>52312326
We have been keeping the Hive intentionally faceless in this AU, bar the swarmlord and the feeling of not only hunger but hate that psykers brushing the Hive-Mind feel.

They are the 80 foot tsunami wave about to land on the little circle of firelight and shelter that is the Imperium.

They are also the unaccountable variable as in no prophesy of humanity, eldar or chaos are the bugs mentioned.

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How do the eldar view nudity?

Given that the craftworlds are semi-monastic societies would they view it as nothing but the shell they are born with and of no interest in and of it self or would they be more prudish?

Also if Jubblowski is one of their minor religious icons how do they feel about the Commissariat's "motivational posters"?

>>52312326
Hive Fleets Moloch, Naga, and the other minor Hive Fleets don't exist in this universe (at least, not in the same way). There were just the big three (Behemoth, Kraken, and Leviathan) and then when they were defeated they split into a bunch of little splinter fleets, of which Moloch is one.

>>52311501
>>52311835
The discussion wasn't around the fact that it was grim, it was around the fact that the actions of that AL operative shouldn't be the norm, and in fact within the rules of this Imperium he should be considered a renegade/traitor and not representative of the greater AL.

>>52313933
But was it AL or just someone using their name? AL and Hydra are closely related but not the same thing. OL and Hydra are closely related but not the same thing. AL and OL are closely related but not the same thing.

Hydra and Illuminati/The Illuminated have overlap in membership with each other and both with the Inquisition.

And then there's the Cabal which may or may not be active still.

>>52313933
I thought he a Scion because he wore flak fabric. The 55th Hydras to be exact because I was the one that suggested to write about "an adventure with the AL, Omega Marines, and the Omega Hydras."

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>Even with the overwhelming amount of people flooding the streets, the inquisitorial group found their way without getting lost on the first try. The library was an enormous building that was the size of an Imperial world stadium stacked on top of another stadium. There was a bottomless hole near the building, it connected from the top of the hive city that could fit a few Argi world homes which let daylight to bounce into the city. Plastmirrors on the wall of the holes channeled lights from all levels of the city, the light is then reflected across the entire city. Daylight shining off of the holes makes it almost impossible for hovercrafts to descend down them from outside of the city without blinding the pilots, not to mention anybody can shoot down the hovercrafts if it is moving too slow. If a hole were to ever collapse, at most only a 100 people might die because most of the debris would just fall to hit the bedrock of the city where nobody lives.

So I expanded on the idea of holes in a hive city.

>>52314066
>>52314096
Forest and trees, people. The point is that teamkilling, especially of an innocent Inquisitor, is a huge no-no. That Armillius Dynant fellow should be a renegade hunted by other AL members, because they and all the other sneaky stabbie types in the Imperium know that if you act like a dick, you wind up like the original Assassins: fried to cinders by an angry Emperor's warpfire.

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Bump with pic related. Me thinks wether in canon grimdank or here in Nobledark, shit like this may happen in Imperium TV...

>>52317446
That's why I want the approach for the secretive three to be like this:

AL
>We cook by the book

55th Hydras
>We always try to cook by the book

Omega Marines
>There is no book, at least we're cooking

>>52317470
>I will beat you to a bloody pulp if you talk about Malys

>Eat shit, I will talk about Malys...

[Fist fight starts]

>Civilized Central News

That's how I see it fitting in this universe.

>>52317470
>>52318178
>Eldar Farseer: "I will shove a million jigawatts of electricity up your ass if you talk about Malys/Asdrubael Vect/Lelith Hesperax!"

>DEldar Autarch: "Eat shit, I WILL talk about Malys/Vect/Lelith!"

>fist fight starts between the two eldar as the talk show host and other studio film crew try to separate them

>*THE DEMOCRACY CLUB*

>Edlar Farseer heard speaking: "Come here, you drug snorting test tube-born piece of shit!"

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>>52318178
Meanwhile, Lady Malys is watching the whole thing on holo-vid doing pic related.

Speaking of which, I was thinking about what Nobledark!Lady Malys would look like on the tabletop compared to vanilla 40k's chosen of Chaos. Taking with a grain of salt that I know absolutely nothing about the mechanics of tabletop 40k, I was thinking in addition to what you'd expect from an Eldar and the generic Chaos Marks, Malys gets Fearless, Eternal Warrior, Hatred (Imperium), Feel No Pain, and It Will Not Die.

Lady Malys is the Murderwings to Abbadon's Smashfucker, as befits her general mania and Eldar agility. She is nowhere near as tough as Abbadon, but she has the ability to regenerate the fewer wounds she has (so more of a glass cannon than anything else). Was also thinking that she might have a special rule allowing her to roll for an extra attack every time she actually brings someone down, making her more of an anti-tarpit character. Trying to tarpit Nobledark!Malys is like trying to stop a blender with your bare hands. The best way to use her is to point her in a direction and get out of her way.

However, Malys has some weaknesses. She's melee-only, so she has to get in close before she can start hacking. She might provide some pre-match benefits to her army as befits her strategist role, but once combat starts she's basically a beatstick. And if you can hit hard enough, she had fewer wounds than Abbadon.

>>52319043
>It Will Not Die
>Malys gets killed by Gray Knights
>resurrected by the Chaos Gods
>again
It all makes sense!

A thought:

What if Khaine is shattered into fragments from Slaanesh's birth because the shitstorm in the warp causes the more-Chaotic elements of his domain to manifest and split off, eventually causing the god to fight its own dark reflection? The evil bits of Khaine are then assimilated into Khorne, so the Crone Eldar's military that's aligned with the Blood God effectively become aspect warriors of a sort, embodying murder, etc.

Would also make for really cool Chaos Avatars of Khaine.

>>52320303
This could work.

There has already been mention of a chaos corrupted Avatar, this could be how it happened.

>>52319043
She can move very fast. You don't need guns as bad when anybody not on a bike can't get away.

>>52317576
>>52317446
But what if it was frowned upon within the legion and viewed as unorthodox, maybe that AL officialy deems these people as renegades but deep inside the legion they view teamkilling as a necessary evil and that they have certain people who can carry out these kills and if shit goes south they can be a scapegoat. Because i cant see a intricate network of spies like the alpha legion without having to kill a couple of friendlies, it isnt the norm but a necessary evil

Stuff set post VD release in future, maybe in the middle of the 13th BC.

---

The Dragon is angry.

No, that is wrong. He is fucking FURIOUS right now.

Why?

When he was freed, he had taken the chance to visit a few old friends, and guess what?

That B!TCH of a Chaos Goddess had not only murdered, but EATEN Vaul, his BEST BUDDY.

Oh, he is so fvcking LIVID right now if he was made of Warp stuff, he would have shat out a few warp storms.

But as he is not completely made of that shit, he would have to settle with something lesser.

---

On the day after the Void Dragon was released, a single statement was felt and seen and heard by every single techpriest and bonesinger and shown on every single piece of technology across the Imperium and beyond.

"CHAOS SHALL BE DENIED."
---THE OMNISSIAH & THE VAUL---

---

He is the Omnisiah, he is Vaul, he is the Void Dragon, he is the Devil in Chrome, and Chaos shall felt his Wrath.

>>52320303
>>52320394
The Chaos corrupted Avatar happened bcause Altansar got overrun by Cronedar and the normal Avatar got captured and twisted by thrice-damned rituals until it speed-dialed Khorne instead of Khaine.

Khorne might have absorbed quite a bit of Khaine given he was there when he shattered. IIRC there's a group of Cronedar who are travelling around the galaxy trying to find old relics of Khaine and give them to Khorne, either because they've deluded themselves into thinking he is Khaine or you keep what you kill.

How powerful is the Altansar Avatar compared to a regular one anyway? Khorne has a lot more juice he can put behind things than Khaine currently can. I'd hate to be the first people to find out about Altansar's supercharged Khorne Avatar.

>>52324054
>>52324077
"The Necrons called me both their god of creation and their god of destruction. Perhaps I should remember that latter fact."

We should have a tv series (in universe) gameshow/ debate series between Oscar and the religious nuts that wants to worship him!

May or may not contain an unscrupolous amount of dickery and trolling by Eldrad/ Cegger. On everyone in show.

>>52325075
One on Eldar Gone Wild world be more watched.

It's just a TV crew following the Dark Carnival.

>>52316452
Would light reflection even work like that though?

>>52327222
>At the end of each episode is a dedication to the previous crew lost on Krieg

>>52328037
Yes but not to that extent.

It would require other mirrors directing additional sunlight into the main shafts for there to be enough light to divide on the way down.

>>52325075
I have to imagine that at some point Isha tried to intervene in the situation, and formally decreed that to correctly recognize her divinity all suplicants must likewise respect Oscar's self-applied status, whatever that may be. For Isha's own part she wants Oscar to grow into the godhead she sees as his potential, for his emotional wellbeing, but especially because she thinks it would make him more able to beget their child.

>>52329632
The eldar view Oscar as an Eldernesh type heroic figure. Not himself a god but a mortal man so manly and badass as to stand in their presence and blend in.

To them the fact that he is mortal is not a hindrance to his right to father a god child. Possibly quite the opposite.

They would accept his lack of godliness easier than the Tallarn fringe sects.

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>>52322290
That works.

When all is said and done the Emperor did promote Curze to being a primarch simply because there were things that needed to be done and he was at the same time willing to do them but took no actual pleasure in the act.

Possibly at some point they will be hauled up called to make an account of themselves, their sins will be measured and they will be judged and dealt with accordingly.

Who is doing the judging? Nobody knows the whole group, the people in the group don't and can't know each other. It's shady as all fuck, but it has worked for 10,000 years with very few serious fuck ups.

The Omega Legion and associated secret handshake jockies distinguish themselves from the other more self serving secret societies in that they dream of the day that they become unneeded and can safely disband.

Also possibly astartes Deamon Breaker armour. Unpainted, made from at least three salvaged other suits and with glowing runes of the sort taught to the by Ahriman who was taught them by Magnus who was taught them by Ada.

Last thread we had a thing going where we took a few High Elf characters from fantasy and translated them to eldar characters for this AU.

So. Alith Anar.

An insane reformed Dark Eldar that goes on raids, sometimes solo because nobody else is stupid enough, into the Dark City and the Crone Worlds because FUCK THOSE PIECES OF SHIT!

He is a vat grown, one of the legions in the Dark City. Massively underdeveloped psychic powers for an eldar of his age. Like holy shit small children are better psykers than him. To speak the High Tongue properly you need to have at least some psychic talent for the inflections. He can't hardly speak High Tongue.

On the positive side this does make him far better at passing for the Dark Eldar he used to be. What made him change sides? Nobodies sure. He just took a look around one day at his shitty gang of half-withered in one of the low towns. Looked up at the towers of High Town, saw the procession of Chaos Eldar walking his street like they owned it, looked back up at High Town, looked again at his gang, remembered the traveling Harlequins and the things they told him and then lost his mind.

Next thing he knows he's sprinting through the webway with angry scum behind him.

Technically he is on the Path of the Outcast. He can't adapt to Craftworld life properly, he's too old to change easily now. He is only allowed in the periphery and visitors sections of the more tolerant Craftworlds, the others have banned him outright for being what he is. He wholeheartedly approves of this because he would do the exact same in their shoes.

He has gone full monk. He eats only simple food, drinks only water, spends much time in meditation and contemplation, hones his martial skills and as far as anyone can tell he is totally celibate. He is about as far away from Dark Eldar psychologically as it is possible to get.

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>>52333294
He has more friends among humanity than his own species, if only because humanity is notoriously and tragically bad at telling Dark and Craftworld eldar apart without training. Also humanity tends to be slightly more forgiving, he considers them to be a bit stupid in that regard.

He is not charismatic. He is not some dashing anti-hero or pantie moistening Dark Knight type figure. He's a deranged fuck up with weaponry that probably isn't safe to be left with alone. He has done terrible things and they don't trouble him as much as they should. He isn't motivated by some higher purpose, his motivation is "kill as many of the fuckers before one of them gets lucky and kills me". His one real redeeming feature, if such it is, is that he is predictable in what he wants if not in how he goes about getting it.

>>52333294
Crap, your idea sounds super similar to mine. Oh well, I guess I'll post mine here when it gets done and let /tg/ see if they want to scrap mine or keep both.

>>52329426
How about huge spotlights on pedestals pointed at the main shaft from multiple directions on most of the levels.

>>52333612
Then why not just have light bulbs in the dark places to start with?

Possibly just make the Hives more porous in structure. Rather than one big block with holes in it it's a collection of inter connected spires with an outer wall around the whole conurbation.

Due to the Undercity and the Warrens in the bedrock it's not easy to tell where ground level is supposed to be inside the city limits. There is not cut off point where you can say "at this height I am in sunlight and beneath it is only gloom". It's a sliding scale of half-light and twilight.

>>52333741
>why not just light bulbs
Light bulbs can't blind pilots but spotlights can.

>>52334494
Perturabo's Hives: Everything in the hive is designed so it can be repurposed by the inhabitants to try to kill you, except for the few things that can't, which are supposed to lull you into a false sense of security.

>>52333294
>>52333459
Here's my idea. Came up with it when someone pointed out in another thread the canon Yvraine was a little off and thought I'd see if I could make a better backstory.

It is one thing for a righteous man to stand up against evil. It is a far harder thing for one to recognize evil when evil is all one has ever known. Such is the story of Yvraine, better known as Yvraine the Scarred. Yvraine started life as a vatborn Dark Eldar, born in a lab with no mother or father, at least, none that would ever claim her as her own. Even at a young age, her talent at combat was notable despite her half-born status, which eventually resulted in her being inducted into a Wych cult. Although she would never escape the stigma of being a half-born in Commorragh, Yvraine was young, talented, and capable. She should have had a bright future.

That is, before she had to face Lelith Hesperax in the arena. It was clear that Yvraine was meant to be little more than a warm-up kill before the main performance, but Yvraine fought to her limits anyway. Yvraine put up an entertaining enough fight to be spared, but not before Lelith inflicted a deep laceration across her face and the eye beneath it. That should have been a death sentence. Few Dark Eldar would want to see a fight with a wych scarred in such a manner fight, and most wyches who were as scarred as Yvraine was were often forced to fight against unbeatable odds just to watch them die. What’s more, the fact that Yvraine had been spared was an insult to her wych cult, one that the Succubus felt compelled to rectify. Yvraine was indeed forced into an unwinnable fight, but her performance impressed the Succubus enough that she was willing to grant Yvraine a pardon. The “pardon” in question being the cruel mercy of being expelled from the wych cult to live out her days on the streets of Commorragh.

>>52337226
Then came the unholy union between Vect and Lady Malys. At that time, Yvraine was living as a vagabond on the streets of the Dark City. Despite being a former Wych, no Kabal would want her, as her former Succubus had made it very clear that Yvraine was meant to suffer, and any who tried to defy this edict would receive her full attention. Yvraine had never had to make a moral decision before in her life. She was young for an Eldar. She had been involved in a few raids, but the banality with which the other Dark Eldar had treated it meant that she had never really questioned the morality of the situation. However, despite all this, she knew that there was something simply something wrong with Vect’s marriage to the Croneworlder, even by the standards of Commorragh. And so Yvraine did something she would have never considered beforehand. She found a poorly-known entrance to the Dark City and, after killing the guard, fled from Commorragh into the Webway.

It is unknown what Yvraine had meant to accomplish by fleeing into the Webway. She had barely spent any time outside the Dark City before; much less have any idea how to navigate the byzantine passages of the Webway. Perhaps she merely believed that any place, no matter how hostile, was a better place to be than the hellhole that had once been Commorragh. Nevertheless, Yvraine’s naiveté with the Webway was almost her doom. She was only saved from death by a passing troop of Harlequins, who found her curled in a fetal position half-starved to death. Having been saved by the Harlequins, Yvraine travelled with them for a few months as they took their performances to several worlds. However, it was not long before Yvraine discovered the Harlequins’ true destination: the Craftworld Biel-Tan.

>>52337245
Being in the wake of the dark marriage, the eldar of Biel-Tan were naturally skeptical of any Dark Eldar trying to flee Commorragh, but they were certainly interested in what Yvraine was willing to offer in payment: access protocols to an obscure entrance to the Dark City. The codes were somewhat old, but between all of the Dark Eldar who had fled the Dark City, the eldar of Biel-Tan were able to gain access to some of the obscure and half-forgotten entrances of Commorragh (at least until the Dark Eldar changed the codes yet again). As a result of the information gained by her defection, Yvraine was given a soulstone and admitted into Biel-Tan, though not without some reservations. In addition, the healers of Biel-Tan were able to restore Yvraine’s eye to some degree of functionality, though they were unable to do anything about her deep scar.

For a while, Yvraine took up the Path of the Warrior, the only thing she knew how to do, serving as a Dire Avenger in Biel-Tan’s aspect shrines. Yvraine fought with a ferocity one could only have learned from living on the streets of the Dark City, something that impressed her instructor to no end, yet Yvraine was never truly satisfied with herself. It seemed too much like her old days in the wych cult to truly feel comfortable. Eventually she decided to leave Biel-Tan and the Aspect Shrines to become an Outcast, something that broke the heart of her exarch, who had hoped she would eventually succeed him.

>>52337261
Yvraine travelled the worlds of the Imperium for many years, sometimes as a Ranger, other times as a simple traveler. For a few years she even served as a corsair in part of a Rogue Trader’s retinue. Yet no matter what she tried, Yvraine never truly felt satisfied. It was not that she was becoming bored of a task after many years like many other Eldar, it’s that nothing ever felt truly satisfying to begin with. Eventually, her travels took her to the Exodite world Halathel, where she finally found her calling. On Halathel, Yvraine discovered the joys of agriculture, and found that it was a lot more satisfying to make something grow than to cut it down. It was a truly strange tale, after travelling much of the galaxy and having experienced most facets of Eldar life, Yvraine the Scarred had found purpose in simply tilling the soil.

However, the strangest part of Yvraine’s story was yet to come. In recent years, Eldar farseers trying to observe the Shadowpoint, the point where the Threads of Fate seem to simultaneously break down and spread out in every conceivable direction, have noticed the recurrent mention of a previously unknown being, a being called Ynnead. Perhaps even more unusually, many of these visions seem to refer to Yvraine, or at least “an Eldar who both is and is not of the light”. As a result, many Craftworld Eldar have come to Halathel, trying to figure out what possible connection Yvraine could have to this entity. Yvraine, on the other hand, just wants them to get the hell off her property before they trample her potatoes.

>>52301434
>alleyways made with firing slits and windows all with a firing angle down to the street
>anybody walking through an alleyway can be shot from every direction above them
>the library has bunker thick walls
>>52337195
So yea, that's a thing.

>>52337274
A Dark Eldar with a green thumb, I love it. Maybe she acts like a veteran giving advice to passerby warriors and travelers in exchange for rare plants or seeds. Teching them techniques like a NPC.

>>52329874
You know, back when we noted that the way history is currently unfolding basically makes Oscar Space Arthur and Eldrad Space Merlin that Oscar would point the similarities out to Eldrad at some point. Eldrad would retort that the same could be said from the Eldar perspective, as in Eldar mythology there’s a famous story about a cunning trickster hero who goes around defeating great evils with the help of his physically stronger and well-meaning but less cunning sidekick, sort of like Minamoto no Yoshitsune and Benkei. Except in the Eldar story they’re hero twins like Xbalanque and Hunahpu, because it’s an Eldar myth and of course they are.

>>52322290
>>52332056
>The Omega Legion and associated secret handshake jockies distinguish themselves from the other more self serving secret societies in that they dream of the day that they become unneeded and can safely disband.

I can see this. The day will come when all beings will have to be divided into men and monsters, and they know they will have to stand on the monster side of things. However, they will take some glimmer of pride that because of them there will be a lot more people on the "men" side than would otherwise be.

Officially and unofficially, the Emperor does not tolerate their existence. Officially, neither does the Alpha Legion. Unofficially, they recognize that there are always ugly things that have to be done. The AL won't go out of their way to the point that it jeopardizes the Alpha Legion to protect the Omegas, but they will look the other way most of the time because someone's got to do it so long as the Omega Marine really hasn't gone off the deep end.

Would post pics of the Operative from Firefly and his "no place for me there", but there are none on the 'net.

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>>52337622
The exarch still has her contact info on speed-dial. He's never called that chip in but if things go completely to shit in the near future and he needs an independent agent you can bet the potato-farmer's going to get drawn back into the fray.

No one has realized that the visions could also easily refer to Lofn. Or both. If Ynnead is the Starchild, he's going to need someone to teach him how to fight

>>52337361

And not only that, we should also take the sewer systems into consideration:

-Full grown man with equipments fits inside.
-Fast transport to every places in the Hive, save for the Shield Generators.
-Only if you can stand the smell

>>52338399

So basically, anyone who controls the sewers can Viet Cong around till kingdom comes. Or until the smell kills you, whichever comes first.

>>52338399
"Rattenkrieg" is the name of what the Germans called the sewer fighting of Stalingrad. The Germans noted the horrible smell of decaying bodies and how easily the soldiers can be killed in CQC, not matter the skill level.

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>>52338399
>>52338423
Can you imagine the size of the sewer system needed to handle a billion people's worth of poo? Forget a guy with equipment fitting, you could probably drive a Baneblade down some of the larger spillways.

>pic related, it's a minor sewage holding tank for a hive

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>>52337274
I almost pity the Dark Eldar raid stupid enough to target her path of land.

Also
>>52337891

She is now angry Yoda.
>>52337769
And the thing is that at no point did we set out to make it reasonable King Arthur in SAAAAACE! It just sort of happened.

>>52337769
>>52332056
Did some writing on armillus dynat and how these AL "allowed" killers can lool like.

Armillus Dynat also known as the Harrower holds a special rank within the Alpha legion, if one would be to find his records and look past the countless heinous crimes he has committed one would find that he is still in action and his designation is ‘’Headhunter’’. He is officially marked renegade by the legion but deep within the coils of the hydra they have deemed men and women like Armillus as an necessary evil to be used when their normal methods are not enough. Those agents with the Headhunter designation can also act as a scapegoat for the legion if things were to get out of hand. Armillus specialises in direct aggressive infiltration such as staging coups and revolution. He is most known for his work on the planet Storelis 3 where he is thought to be the main hand behind the worker-class uprising, this event would lead to the slaughter of [Data expunged] civilian personnel and [Data expunged] military personnel, as well as a multitude of resources. Though the event might have been seen as unfounded bloodbath it would lead to an inquisitorial investigation who would uncover the governor and his administration's corruption. As unorthodox as his actions are, Armillus is seen as an important asset to the legion and their goals. He and other legion agents with the designation “Headhunter” have also been known to work with the Omega legion. The true number of Headhunters are not truly known, the only other agent who has resurfaced multiple times is one with the simple codename “exodus” it is not known if this agent is one or multiple people, there has been said that this certain agent has been on multiple places at one time. It is not known if this is a diversion method or truly multiple people.

>>52338960

Not to say that a single gunfire at the wrong moment can BLOW UP THE ENTIRE SECTION OF THE SEWER. Case in hand, methan gas and laser/ stubber aint good thing to mix.

And this only means that they can only use CQC down there, something Chaos Guards excel at. Also Eldar.

>>52340468
Would autoguns and stubbers work, or would that also run the risk of explosions?

>>52340468
I feel like Perty, being the hyper-detailed, neurotic, paranoid obsessive that he is, would have planned for something like, otherwise that would be a massive structural flaw. He probably has automatic fire suppressant systems in the sewers and carefully cultivated strains of methanotrophic bacteria that scrub the air.

>>52342572
Probably still risky if the concentration of gases is high enougn, you still have muzzle flash and potential sparks from missed bullets.

Sieging Hive city 101 (?)- Imperial version.

1st: Breach:
- Teleport. Might not work. Risky.
- Sneak in. Even worse. Maybe, depending on the amount of drug the bad guys inside are taking.
- Tunneling.
- The sky-well, while might seems like a viable access point, is a big no-no: a single AA gun up it, then its like shooting fish in a barrel.

Unless you can sneak/ Eldar down. That might work. Still need to get access to that first, tho.

Or maybe you Creed/ Rommel down it. As in dropping a Baneblade straight down.

- Precise CAS. No, not the planes. Orbital Bombard till Gellar down, then... Use a Destroyer to swoop in close and destroy as many Point-defense and turrets as possible.
- Snipa! Again, Shield.
- If dug, then use the Underhive as a base. Very risky, but payoff in cutting off their food supply. Also mutants.

2) Clear:
- Take control the sewer and air vents: shortcut to EVERYWHERE.
- Gas! GAS! GAS! GA-argh...
- In cramped spaces, CQC works best -> Chaos advantage. Unless...
- FIRE TACTICS. Becareful not to burn self.
- If secured Underhive, use it as bait to reverse the situation: now they had to siege YOU!

Will think of more.

>>52343056

Note: Instead of clear rooms, why not SHOOT THRU WALLS?

>>52343075
Because the walls are probably laced with adamantium, in part because they have to hold up the weight of a hundred other stories, and in part because Perturabo's a nut who wants to make sure EVERY VULNERABLE POINT is covered. Though that begs the question of how does one enter/exit the room in an emergency and the door is blocked. It's not like you can hack through the wall as if it's made of wood.

>>52344401
Only structural, load-bearing walls or walls of high value buildings are going to be adamantium though, it's not like every apartment building in a hive is made with such a rare and valuable material.

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"We get in through the heating system under the spire here... up through to the main audience chamber here... and the governor's wife's bedroom is here. Having grabbed his wife, we inform the Imperial governor that she is in our custody and forthwith issue our demands. Any questions?"

"What exactly are the demands?"

"We're giving the governor two days to secede entirely from the Imperium and if he doesn't agree immediately we execute her."

"Cut her head off?"

"Cut all her bits off, send 'em back every hour on the hour... show him we're not to be trifled with."

"Also, we're demanding a ten foot naalwood statue of the Emperor with his dick out."

"What? That's stupid. They'll never agree to that, Regulus."

"That's just a bargaining counter. And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and... that we shall not submit to blackmail."

"No blackmail!"

"They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers."

"And from our fathers' fathers' fathers."

"Yes."

"And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers."

"All right, Stannus. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?"

"They told us about Chaos and how to protect ourselves from it."

"Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true."

"And better hives!"

"Oh yes... better hives, Regulus, you remember what the city used to be like."

"All right, I'll grant you that protection from Chaos and better hives are two things that the Imperium has done..."

"And warp travel...ready contact with the greater galaxy."

"Well yes obviously warp travel... that go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, better hives and warp travel..."

"Better crops..."

"Medicine... Psychic education... Improved sanitation..."

"Yes... all right, fair enough..."

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>>52345042
"And the amasec..."

"Oh yes! True. That's something we'd really miss if the Imperium left."

"Rejuvenant treatments!"

"And the Dark Eldar don't seem to raid us for slaves nearly so often now."

"Yes, the Imperium certainly knows how to keep order...let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a galaxy like this."

"All right... all right... but apart from better hives and medicine and public health and education against Chaos and better crops and warp travel and ready contact with the rest of the galaxy and protection from hostile xenos and public order... what has the Imperium done for us?"

"...brought peace?"

"What!? Peace...oh, shut up!"

>>52343056
>Creed/Rommel down it
I know this was a joke, but...then AA guns would be shooting house-sized fishes in a barrel

>>52345042
>>52345063
>average separatist thought process
I kek'd. Now I need to go watch Monty Python.

>>52338423
Ambassador Cain's assistant can attest to this.

People don't notice him. Those that ask him where he came from are told that he has many years experience of being a diplomatic assistant and was a pupil of the Schola Progenium. These are two completely separate facts and it's not his fault that people lump them both together. HE never trained to be a diplomat.

He trained to be a Storm Trooper. And there is a big gap in his records between booted out of school and went into a civilian job.

Nobody knows what he did in those years, not fully. Not even Cain knows the whole story. Not even the Inquisition knows the specifics.

Orks had infiltrated Helsreach Hive during the war and the Kommandoes had gotten into the Warrens and the Tunnels, Dark Eldar were taking advantage of the confusion and weakness to go on joy rides and dash and grab missions openly in the underhive streets.

He was there under the command of some unnamed Inquisitor because by that point EVERYBODY with a gun was being called in from nearby systems in any ship that was warp worth.

When things had gotten from OH FUCK back down to oh shit levels after the orks withdrew the Inquisition and it's people were given the recall orders and told to go back to their regular work.

He "never received" the orders. He was ordered to hunt through the dark places for Orks and Dark Eldar and with no orders to the contrary he was down there for the long haul.

It was years before he saw sunlight again. Nobody down there knew what was happening. The authorities just kept on finding dead xenos.

The eldar don't know what he is or what he can do. He is to them nothing but a very polite, erudite and meticulous old human with a crescent of grey hair, a neat suit and a fussy little mustache. If they ever looked into his eyes they might wonder and worry what was looking back at them.

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>>52346509
Didn't we change Rmmel to Hammerhead Bill?

>>52350514
I think they're supposed to be the same person, though we went with Bill's backstory.

>>52351233
yeah, its just another thing appended to his long exodite name. Also, if you could get a force of tanks in position to drop down a lighting shaft and be combat capable when they land they would, as a general principle, fare better against anti-aircraft encampments than aircraft by virtue of being tanks and not aircraft.

>>52353504
Would they be combat capable? This is a serious question, STC designs are built to last, though kitbashed designs probably less so. So it's something that seriously has to be considered.

>>52354099
Probably not after being dropped down a light well.

>>52354384
thus we confront the dilemma as to whether its a viable tactic. If it works it works amazingly, if it doesn't it's a horrible waste of resources.

>>52354626

Maybe they can just drop a bomb down the lightwell first, then drop down later. With something that isn't going to be tattered by lasgun. Still the chance for it to detonate beforehand is quite.

>>52355024
Or you can abandon that approach entirely and try another way.

>>52342740
There would be emergency slamming doors to contain explosions as well as vents and such things to allow the fumes to escape easier.

Also most of the methane is released in the treatment plane.

You collect it, pipe some of it under the shit tanks, set it on fire to warm up the shit so it releases more methane and degrades quicker.

The excess methane is then sent to the generators that supplement the hives electricity and heating.

The decomposing turd is then dumped in the "cloud factory" shit tanks along with all the other "bio-waste" that the hive produces for conversion into soil enhancer material.

Then they use it to grow crops in to feed the hive.

Don't forget that chemical processing in the Hives is an extremely... whats the word, rich? Prosperous?

Cause even in shit we can find gold.

No, seriously:

https://www.google.com.vn/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/23/gold-in-faeces-worth-millions-save-environment

>>52353504
>by virtue of being tanks and not aircraft
>the large, unwieldy vehicles which have most of their armour on the frontal arc and have the least above or below them are
>these are superior to supersonic strike aircraft which are equipped with various kinds of countermeasures
what did he mean by this?

>>52358562
>krak missile is shot at tank falling into a light well
>don't worry guys we're fine in this tank
>it would be aiming up at us so we'll get hit at the belly of the tank
>isn't the bottom armor plating the weakest sir?
*Que laughtrack*
[Tank crew explodes into jelly then set on fire]

>>52358633
They can do it dropping the tank head first, only sputting out the parachute at the last moment to correct it!

Pros: you can fire and drop!

>>52358562

You are dropping down a lightwell. A literal fish-in-a-barrel case, and without room to dodge, countermeasures are useless.

>>52358686
Given the possible size of the light well and the anti-grav bikes of the elder it's not outside the realms of possibility that some absolutely batshit Saim-han bike warriors would just drive down the side of the hole.

Given eldar reflexes and the distances involved they might be able to weave around most of the incoming fire.

Also Swooping Hawks and Warp Spiders.

>>52358908

It would work well. :)

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>>52358686
That's not how physics work my dude. Parachutes and grav-chutes don't have the power to turn a tank like that the last moment before landing. There is also even if the tank doesn't dive headfirst into the bedrock, the treads are still going to be totally destroyed from the impact because the parachute didn't open far away enough to slow it down.

>>52313380
I don't think that most of them care about nudity for the sake of nudity. But they do understand that humans usually do.

Jubblowski's other professions don't bother them. They were more amused than anything about the posters.

'Cut off one head, and two more shall take its place, yes, but didn't the hydra killed itself in the end when its many heads entangled?'

-quote reported from the Chronicler, enemy Number One of Alpha Legion.

---

Kinda an idea bouncing around, of a counterbalance to the Alpha and Omega, to keep up the intrigue game.

>>52307882
To tie some characterization back to his canon fluff, for Vulkan's "stats" I see him as absurdly strong (since in canon he was the physically strongest of the Primarchs) and absurdly tough, coming back from the brink of death several times (to tie in with his Perpetual fluff). I got the impression in canon that he was more of a brute force fighter and less of a finesse one. So in this AU, while he was obviously incredibly skilled (especially later when he had several millennia of practice), he was outstripped skill-wise by a few individuals, like Lion, Sangy, Fulgrim, and Angron amongst the Primarchs, and maybe a handful of Grey Knight Grandmasters and Custodes Captain-Generals later. It could be that the freakish strength was actually seen as a flaw by the genesmiths that did the enhancements, since it came at the cost of speed and dexterity, but it suited Vulkan just fine.

However, the core of Vulkan's legend is his absurd toughness, since on several occasions he survived horrifying injuries that would have even killed other Mk III S Astartes. On one occasion, he singlehandedly boarded an Ork Mega-Gargant, fought his way through its crew, and destroyed it by planting melta charges in its ammo storage. Unable to get off in time, he got caught in the explosion and throw almost a kilometer away, and when his men found him they were certain he was dead until they realized he was still breathing. Even then, they thought they were going to have to put him in a Dreadnought, but he miraculously pulled through. After several more of these miraculous survivals, the the rumors and legend starts that Vulkan actually did die during these incidents, and somehow was magically restored to life. The story starts in the Promethean cults and quickly spreads to the wider populace, and that combined with his long lifespan leads to him being called "Vulkan the Perpetual."

Thoughts?

>>52361490
As a completely unrelated aside, Arik Taranis is referred to as Lord Commander of the Custodes, so the Steward likely retired that title after Taranis' death, much like the title of Primarch, or it could be that Constantin Valdor refused to take up the title of Lord Commander when he succeeded Taranis out of respect and deferece, as that would presume to put him on the same level, and instead chose the title of Captain-General

>>52361490
Guy who suggested the "Vulkan the Invincible" here, that cheeky reference to canon Vulkan being a perpetual is exactly what I was going for there. Was even going to call him "the perpetual fixture in the Emperor's court", but felt that was too on the nose. So I like this.

>>52360604
I think their views on nudity and Jubblowski's posters are a bit different from ours. Eldar probably have just as much of a nudity taboo as humans but in the case of Jubblowski and those similarly blessed by Isha they see it as paying veneration to the miracles of their goddess. Kind of like ancient Greece. To humans it sounds like massive cognitive dissonance. To Eldar it's perfectly reasonable.

I mean, after all Eldar are supposed to be a mix of Greek city-state political organization, Chinese dynastic heritage, Japanese warrior traditions, and just general Celtic culture (particularly those related to the Tuatha Dé Danann) in general. Mix well.

One could argue for the inclusion of bits of French, Israeli, and general Jewish culture or perceptions as well, especially in this AU where you have more non-violent interactions with other species.

>>52361490
Could also be responsible for the folk belief that he isn't dead.

>>52361501
Given that the custards were MK3 S Astartes I'm imagining Constantin Valdor isn't around in 999M41.

It was mentioned that he accompanied Oscar and Isha to retirement. Possibly because he assumed that spending his twilight years on the beach backwater was a nicer way to go and also he'd been Oscar's bodyguard and friend for longer than most empires last and couldn't imagine being anything else.

>>52301434
Just finished Part 1.2
>http://pastebin.com/wvL4r5Sj
I hope I made the quickdraw scene feel like a cowboy movie, get it? Cowboys and Groxwranglers.

made some writefaggotry on the little guys, a guardsman is asked why is fights.

Purpose

- Thank you for doing this interview commander, i'm sure you’re a busy man and that you’d probably not wish me to waste your time. Ballerina said with a enthusiastic voice while she stroke her hair behind her ears. She readied a dataslate with her questions written down and her autoquill began writing down her and the commander's words.

- The pleasure is all mine ma'am, i'm off duty for now and don’t have anything special booked for the moment. So please, take your time. Commander Daniel’s voice was harsh but it was obvious that he tried to keep it as soft as possible.

He smiled softly and crossed his legs as Ballerina cleared her throat and spoke.

- Shall we begin then? Her face lit up and Daniel nodded politely for her to continue.

- You’re the commander over the Cadian 40th shock troop regiment, you’ve fought against countless foes and won an equal amount of battles, you’ve seen millions of people die but yet you still fight on. What motivates you Commander? What drives you to fight even when you’re staring death in the eyes? Ballerina spoke quickly, her words flowing fast like a torrent.

Her enthusiasm had gotten the better of her and she thought for a moment to ask the question again but slower so the commander could understand her, but he nodded and seemed to ponder her question before opening his mouth.

- My purpose ma’am, it's my purpose that drives me. Daniel’s words were calm, his voice giving of the sense of pride.

Ballerina raised an eyebrow. She crossed her leg and leaned in with the intent to follow up his answer.

- Care to explain what you mean by ‘’purpose’’ commander?

- My purpose is to fight for the imperium and to die for it. I can’t do that if I don’t stay vigilant, I can’t fight for the imperium if I die and I can’t die for the imperium if I don’t fight.

>>52365974

- But don’t that purpose wither when you see all this death and war? Don’t you falter at all this expendability?

Daniel leaned back, his hands resting on his chest. Ballerina tilted her head slightly as to insinuate the impact of her question. Daniel looked up into her eyes and puckered his lips, drawing a long breath.

- No, why should it. Being expendable is something we all are, if I die i will get replaced, if you get fired you’ll get replaced. We're all expendable to some point, if a worker dies he’ll get replaced, if a leader falls he’ll get replaced by new one. If a hero dies he’ll get replaced with a martyr in his image. As a soldier you know you know you will die. But it is our purpose that means something. A thousand men living for no purpose means nothing, while a man dying for a purpose it means everything. Our existence calls for a purpose, if we had none we would not be. You wouldn’t be interviewing me if it served no purpose. A guardsman’s purpose is to die so that others may serve theirs. Even if it is to save one life it would mean something. Be it a child or a god, they still have a purpose that gives them meaning.

- Truly inspiring words commander, but is there no fear inside your soul? Don’t you then fear to not serve your purpose? Ballerina was sitting on the edge of her seat, she had not expected Daniel to be so philosophical. Daniel just chuckled.

>>52365991
- Of course I fear not to serve my purpose. But when I was a white shield and when my squad was to charge an enemy fortification it was clear it was a suicide mission. Charging a fortified bastion with only lasguns and bayonets meant nothing but an assured death, and even when our space marine support would not attack the fortification we were openly protesting against our orders. It brings me no pride in saying this but, I too were talking against our suicide. But our sergeant just looked at us with not only pride but the determination of a man with a purpose and said ‘’The weak fear to tread where the brave dare to walk.’’ Those words resonated within my squad and brought us to victory, many of us might have fallen but we died with no fear that day. Even til this day my sergeants word still resonate within me and when i fear not serving my purpose I remember those words and follow through so that i may serve.

Daniel’s words were intense and Ballerina nodded with every sentence, she almost felt entranced by his story, to be with a man who showed no fear in the fact that he would die had filled her with respect. This man like so many other others have stared death in the eyes and charged in without fear. She pictured him on the battlefield, barking orders across the field as wave of upon wave of foes wash over his soldiers and they would fight to the last man, knowing that they did not die for nothing.

>>52366005

Her trance was only broken when the door to their room was opened and a woman dressed in a astra militarum uniform stepped in, Ballerina looked at the woman as she walked quickly towards the commander and whispered in his ear before leaving as quickly as she had entered. Daniel sighed and stood up from his chair and Ballerina followed him with her gaze.

- I'm afraid it seems that duty calls and we’ll have to cut this interview short. Ballerina’s disappointment was not hidden as he spoke but she smiled and nodded.

- Can I ask one last question Commander? She said clasping her hands as to beg him. Daniel thought for a moment before smiling and answering her with a simple ‘’sure’’.

- Do you ever think your purpose will be fulfilled? Will your duty ever end? Her voice was serious, but Daniel just looked at her and chuckled.

- Only in death does a guardsman’s duty end.

And then he left her to ponder his words, only to die one month later as he defended Cadia during the third black crusade, fulfilling his purpose.

it was a short one but i enjoed writing something less grim for a change

>>52363742
Valdor was said to have accompanied Oscar and Isha to Beach Planet because he knew the whole thing with Vandire was going to go badly and he wanted to be around when shit hit the fan but he didn't want to crush Oscar's hopes.

Vulkan lived to M38, and he constantly threw himself in harm's way, so it's more than likely Valdor was in good health during the Age of Apostasy (M36). However he would definitely be dead by 999.M41. It's more than likely Valdor started feeling his age after the Civil War. He had held out hope that he was going to be wrong and he could just retire to a nice beach backwater, until nope, it's not going to happen, and now you have to worry about training a successor on top of that. Heck, before the Custodes and Grey Knights started dropping dead of old age, people might have not even realized Mark III S could die of old age.

It was also suggested that a lot of the Custodes retired before the Age of Apostasy, so Valdor would have had to rebuild the organization from scratch. Again. Though I could never get why Oscar would dismiss them, seeing as it would seemingly be more important for the Emperor to have a bodyguard of superhumans if he was just a normal human as opposed to a demigod with a flaming sword. Of course, the Custodes wouldn't have had the survival instinct to cave to Thor's threat, which I thought was a nice idea.

I'd hate to be the poor sap who had to be the Captain-General of the Custodes after that. Your only predecessors are Arik Taranis and Constantin Valdor, which means you're going to have huge shoes to fill.

>>52366672
I think a Custodes would have a much better shot of dying of old age than a Grey Knight. Apart from the occasional special mission or assassination attempt, guarding the Emperor probably doesn't put you in danger too often since very few people are suicidal enough to try and kill Oscar, whereas a Grey Knight's job is literally to kill daemons every waking moment until you keel over.

"Grey Knights never die in their beds."
- Unknown, attributed to Janus, first Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights

Quick housekeeping question, how much of the Old Earth stuff is okay to put on 1d4chan? I know there were some issues because some of it (namely the parts about the nation-states of the Age of Strife surviving to 999.M41) conflicted with previous stuff we had established.

>>52369758
Also, where should we put the Dark Eldar stuff? Should it go in Forces of Chaos, since there's a lot of overlap between the two (Bile lending his forces and expertise to Chaos in exchange for goodies, and presumably Haemonculi doing the same, and then the more permanent association between the two due to Vect and Malys' marriage)? We don't have any other Dark Eldar-specific stuff right now.

If we do decide to have a combined Chaos-Ork-DEldar section (at least until there is enough on all three to separate them), here is a proposed opener.

The forces of Chaos and its dark gods have always plagued the Imperium from its very inception, whether it was the Despots of Ursh, the cultists on the moons of the Solar gas giants or a thousand other corrupted human worlds, or xenos races that had outright fallen to Chaos during the Age of Strife such as the Laer. However, it was not until the Steward met the Interex, and later the Eldar, that he learned that Chaos was not only dangerous and corruptive but outright self-aware as well. The Eldar, on the other hand, had always known of the threat posed by Chaos, ever since their kind was nearly destroyed by bringing the fourth of the Ruinous Powers into existence. This early meeting between the nascent empire of man and the devastated empire of the Eldar laid the groundwork for the Raid on Nurgle’s Mansion, the event which would eventually lead to the two lesser empire being unified into a greater whole.

>>52370552
At the same time, the worlds throughout the Imperium have also suffered from the depredations of the Dark Eldar. The descendants of the nobility of the Old Eldar Empire, who retreated to the extralegal domains of the Webway such as Port Commorragh before the Fall of the Eldar to pursue pleasures even the common folk of the Empire found depraved. The Dark Eldar had always maintained indirect, but uncomfortably close ties with their Croneworlder kin. The Dark Eldar would often raid in the wake of Croneworlder Black Crusades and Chaos-prompted Ork WAAAGH!s, exploiting weaknesses that had been uncovered by the prior war. Ambitious Haemonculi would offer their services and creation to Chaos warbands, often in exchange for payment in items not easily found within the confines of Commorragh. Nevertheless, the Dark Eldar had always remained fiercely independent. Although many would see similarities between the Dark Eldar and their Croneworld kin, the Dark Eldar would sneer at such a comparison. They did not throw off the yoke of morality just to become sycophants of some Warp being, just as the Croneworlders did.

>>52370566
Now, all that has changed. At the turn of the 40th millennium (almost exactly so, just to further tweak the knife into the eye of the Imperium), Lady Malys, the Daemon Queen of Chaos, and Asdrubael Vect, Lord of Commorragh, engaged in the blasphemous dark marriage, effectively unifying the Dark Eldar and the Croneworlders into a cohesive whole. This unholy union was met with disgust from voices across the galaxy, many of which came from within Commoragh itself. And yet, there was little the Dark Eldar could do to stop Vect. The most powerful archons that could have opposed Vect had all died in mysterious accidents or mishaps that had occurred decades in advance, and the dissenting archons that remained were too fractious to unite behind their shared grievances. Now Crone Eldar troops march in the streets of the Dark City, and mandrakes disappear the dissident and destitute into the night.

Regardless of one’s moral stance on the union between Vect and Malys, militarily Imperial scholars agree this is a very bad thing. The Dark Eldar, once little more than pilot fish swimming in the wake of a great shark are now integrated into the Chaos war machine. Now the Croneworlders can call upon Grotesques and other degenerate horrors to supplement their own forces. Although some have suggested that Malys engineered the dark marriage to circumvent the increasing unreliability of the Orks, the true reasoning behind such a decision brings little solace. Chaos is gearing up for its 13th Black Crusade, and already it is promising to be the most devastating yet.

>>52369758
It's possible that they were kept as ad? Administrative districts.

>>52369758
>>52372555
If the old national boundaries still exist it will be as a address/postcode sort of deal more than as an alliance of actual sovereign nations. When The Beast burned Old Earth 95 - 99% of the global population was slaughtered. The survivors were so mixed up and so few that it was impossible to rebuild them from their own stock.

Perty kept the old borders out of spite more than anything. Also maybe some vague nostalgia of childhood. Oscar had told him to "undo the victory of The Beast". Perty was then given overall authority in the restorations and used his broken genius mind to great effect.

Since then Old Earth has gone slightly weird. The population is fuck huge and density will have shifted to the point where it will have become practical, even necessary, to redraw the maps to make it manageable.

The Hive Cities, rebuilt on the sight of the major cities of yore, sharing their same names and even emulating their architectural styles when Perty first designed them, have populations that exceed some Imperial worlds and so have to be managed as nations in their own right.

The spaces between the historical hives looks kind of open with vast green and bountiful fields and what is now quite ancient forests but at regular intervals are great pits and canyons that seem to go down beyond hope of measure. They are air shafts.

If you are feeling brave you can tie a rope to the railings at the top and descend many layers into the depths. Beneath the hallowed ground of Old Earth are great caverns of an airy nature that emulate well the openness of the land above, they have their own climates and ecologies and cultures and further gnawed into the rock their own towns and cities. Their own nations.

>>52374287
When The Warlord became The Steward and declared Old Earth united (except Hy Brasil) there were a dozen or so nations, all functional, all with at least some standard of living. Now there are maybe a thousand nations on Old Earth none less glorious and grand than the ones that came before.

It's possible that Old Earth has spent the last 10,000 years gradually transforming into the first stage of a Shellworld. The eldar don't have records going back that far anymore about their own homeworld's structural history so this may be how it happened for them. Either way it is not intentional.

>>52367435
They also get sent on odd missions for when the Emperor want to make it abundantly clear that yes, he is watching.

Also seconded to high ranking members of the government who are either at risk of assassination and whose loss would cause turmoil or ones whose loyalty has a somewhat liquid quality to it. Or both.

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>>52364643
>If the Inquisitor was hit in the head by a lasbolt, not only will it destroy her brain like a stubber round, but it would also pop her skull like a melon.
Could an 8mm Mauser round pop a skull like that? I've seen them tear off limbs back in WW1 so I guess it's possible.

Bump

>>52374287
It's sort of amusing to me that we started with 60% of the population dying in the Battle of Terra, then 70%, now 95-99%? Take it easy on humanity.

(Also a majority or at least a solid chunk of the civilian population was evacuated off world before the battle)

>>52378403
60% of Terra is like 6 billion people dying so that's a fuckhuge amount of dead. Yet 99% sounds really ridiculous especially for Hive world standards.

>>52378403
It was 70% originally. 60% was the percentage of the land surface that was completely wrecked and had to be rebuilt from scratch. The Tharkian Empire just suffered 95% casualties. I imagine casualty rates varied immensely across the planet. Tharkia was right next door to the Imperial Palace IIRC. Hy Braseal also probably got wrecked because they thought they could stay neutral, only to learn Chaos and orks have no concept of "neutrality", "non-combatant", or "collateral damage".

Also, evacuate to where? The Sol System was the safest place in the galaxy. It had a fuckhuge battleship parked in the system specifically for that purpose. Perty and Dorn (at least until Perty was K.O.ed) would have fortified the shit out of the system. You have the Grey Knights on Titan. And then you have Mars, which is a whole 'nother layer of defense to worry about. The only reason the Beast's forces even attacked Earth was the value of the target grossly outweighed the grievous casualties it would require to take it. And the Beast's WAAAGH! had numerous splinter fleets that got sent to every system in his path.

>>52378403
Alright I'm sorry.

I just saw the writefaggatory on Perty with it's 95% national casualty rate, assumed that as Perty's homeland it would be far better fortified and made a bad assumption from that.

I hadn't taken
>>52379018
>Tharkia was right next door to the Imperial Palace IIRC

this into account.

>>52265710
What about doomsday cults? The Beast isn't a god himself, but a divine avatar or a holy executioner. He's here to cleanse the impure and punish the wicked but we are all wicked and impure (or at least all those who have already been destroyed were).

>>52376952
Bear in mind that the "lasbolts are like autoguns" thing is just an approximation for powerlevel purposes. The way they work is different - the energy of a laser weapon gets absorbed by the surface it hits (and some lower layers if its a more powerful one, which is the primary weakness of las weapons vs slugthrowers), causing it to flashboil, ablate, and generally explode.

tl;dr: it would be more like popcorn than a melon

>>52379018
Plus, double reminder that Terra is probably the place that people would have been evacuated *to*.

>>52374461
It's interesting to imagine the shroud of orbital infrastructure that would surround the earth after 10,000 years of imperial projects and business, let alone the previous 30,000's. In all likelihood the moon wades through a fog of orbitals at a minimum, and there are probably enough installations within an AU of sol to count as a whispy dyson swarm. To the scale of the wider imperium this would be the suburbs to Terra's cosmic palatine, and a trip to sol would be as much a trip to the capital for most imperials as going to terra itself.

>>52379609
After looking at the Beast Arises series, I can see Beast Cultists ending up like a combo between Digganobz and livestock. The ones who are 'ard enough get herded into battle as canon fodder and the ones that aren't... become fodder.

It's also possible that this was the whole point of the War of the Beast. Chaos took the biggest hammer they could find and brought it down on the hardest resistance they could find to watch it shatter and send a message. Telling the galaxy "Don't you dare try to unify and defy our rule, or you'll end up like the Imperium. Now go back to being a bunch of petty empires fighting for our amusement."

>>52379432
They probably spent half their time camping out in the ruins of the Tharkian Empire roasting squigs during the siege. Indeed, I can imagine the people of Old Earth really, really hate Orks after this. Like how they hate Space Marines in canon after the Horus Heresy.

>>52380643
>It's interesting to imagine the shroud of orbital infrastructure that would surround the earth after 10,000 years of imperial projects and business, let alone the previous 30,000's.

They would have to keep the airspace clear enough for ships at minimum. Vanilla!Terra has ships coming at all hours of the day, not to mention the huge dockyards on Luna and...Jupiter I think it is?

>trip to sol would be as much a trip to the capital for most imperials as going to Terra itself

That's a good point, for a modern viewer it would seem ridiculous that an out-of-system visitor would stop at Neptune and consider themselves as having visited humanity's capital without going to Old Earth itself. But the Sol System itself is so interconnected anywhere in Sol is good enough for measure.

Also thread needs archiving.

i want to write shit but don't know what, what should write? hit me with some ideas

>>52381021
A day in the life of Inquisitor Boaz "2,000% AHAB!" Kryptman,

>>52381113
whats his thing? tell me tuff about him and ill make som shit

>>52380997
>Chaos took the biggest hammer they could find and brought it down on the hardest resistance they could find to watch it shatter and send a message. Telling the galaxy "Don't you dare try to unify and defy our rule, or you'll end up like the Imperium. Now go back to being a bunch of petty empires fighting for our amusement."

By that logic The Steward (and Eldrad) beating The Beast was mortals tanking the damage and taking their hammer off them. Soon the Impossible Child will be born. Soon the Dragon will be free. Soon a lot of shit is going to get very real and the Great Game is not going to b a game any longer because the the gods are complacent, the stakes are only ever going up and we have the hammer.

>>52381228
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notes#Inquisitor_Kryptmann

He's insane. like this but more angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztB_q1YgcsY

He is a very angry man. He is a very driven man. He sacrificed any possibility of a normal life or making any friends with his using the freezer to leap frog through time. He has lived too long and see too much. Hate is all he has. When he wakes up in the morning he is in a state of total hate and it keeps him warm till he falls asleep at night. His days are spent finding new ways to fuck up 'Nids and his nights are spent watching his homeworld get consumed. He is a broken shell of a man held together by hate.

>>52381228
He is very upset that Tyranids are called Tyranids. By rights, Boaz Kryptman is the last Tyranid, because he's the only individual born to that planet not eaten by extragalactic blenders. He is upset by many other parts of Tyranids, perhaps he hates every constituent part of Tyranids, but that part stands out.

>>52381498
>First Contact
>Stewart showing off his shakespearean background
mein negro of superlative taste

so the largest structures in the milky way seem to be, in ascending order
>various giant ships
>various giant imperial orbitals
>Ork assault moons
>World Engines
>Craftworlds
>Old Earth's Hive infrastructure
big gap
>Cthonian Ring
>Shaa-Dome
>The Outsider's sequestration sphere

What would a fortress world/system be like under the Unified Imperium?

>>52381956
Fortress world like Cadia is 100% military.

Birth rate is the same as conscription.

Not every soldier is a front line soldier. If your talents, or lack thereof, make it more practical to have you away from the front lines then they assign you to some other role in life.

This is not the same as saying you are now a civilian with some training. You are still a soldier doing a job to support the war effort. You still have a commanding officer. You still follow orders.

Because everyone is a soldier first and a whatever the fuck else second everything but the purely military side of society has to make do with what talent is left over so all other services are a bit haphazard.

They also are still required to pay tithe. Given that more than their tithe contribution will be paid to them in terms of more soldiers and shit to support soldiers they are in effect paying themselves. All pay the tithe, Imperium can't afford to set a bad precedent.

Also from smallest to biggest
>various giant ships
>various giant imperial orbitals
>Ork assault moons
>Craftworlds
>Old Earth's Hive infrastructure
>World Engines
big gap
>Shaa-Dome
>Cthonian Ring
>The Outsider's sequestration sphere

Craftworlds aren't usually described as planet sized. I think shellworlds are smaller than ringworlds.

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>>52381956
Anti-void ship cannons planetside, patrolling escort fleet, and star-forts with minefields are the first things attackers encounter when invading a fortress world. Planet-wide transport system for rapid strikes or defense of LZs. Decoy buildings (both military and civilian) at strategic locations. Forts built along roads to delay or stop attackers from reaching places like cities. Flak towers standing guard over possible air raid targets. Earthquake-inducing (rail cannon?) artillery to hinder movement. Organic converters turning living and dead organic matter into "food" that even a Necromundan would refuse to eat, but is useful when a city is under siege.

These things would be what a perfect Fortress world would have like Cadia, although Chaos mostly just never attack planetside itself. Black Crusade fleets would break through the orbital defenses then bypass the planets.

>>52381956
>>52382183
in preparation for (or following) unification of Shaa-Dome and Commorragh, could the dark and crone eldar succeed at a second raid on Cthonia? Its pretty lightly defended relative to its scale, and it would make a good secondary target or decoy target in the 12th or 13th black crusade.

>>52382509
It would be something they could aim for.

Possibly they know something is buried there. Possibly they don't know shit and are just taking a chance. Possibly they are doing it for no reason other than Because Chaos.

Also archived
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Nobledark

The Great Devourer. The Swarm. The Tyranids.

Many names, the same face. The same monster that had devoured his world.

Soon, he will show them who is the true Tyranid, who is the true Devourer.

Soon they will know fear.

For he shall feast on this Swarm like the rest.

>>52383787
Doesn't the dude literally eat tyranid. Purges the biotoxins and the spores and that's about all he eats?

>>52384209

Yes, yes he did. :)

>>52350514
>>52351233
>>52353504
Noticed there was a bit of an issue. Rommel's on the 1d4chan page, but it's his old bio, not the new one.

>>52384817
He might have even gone so far as to serve tyranid to the Emperor

>>52388403
It's safe if you cook it properly.

>>52385838
That needs to be corrected.

Also the whole thing from the Tencocracy thing from about 10 threads ago needs to be condensed into something legible and coherent.

Personally I think it still has some potential to add to the setting if tweaked properly.

Also the Nobledark Imperium translated fantasy High Elf characters.

I suspect today is going to be busy at work but I find time tonight to sift through it all and shit I'll give it a go.

Unless someone else want to do it and does it before me.

>>52388403
There's no maybe about this. Inquisitor Kryptman lives off of tyranid flesh. Froperly cooked and seasoned, obviously. He isn't a barbarian.

If the Emperor stayed for dinner then that slightly purple steak he ate would have been 'Nid. Given the high class nature of the company he would have served something classy like Carnifex or Hive Tyrant.

It would have been disconcerting for the Emperor. Kryptman can hold a coherent and quit normal conversation whilst operating on a level of hate and background rage that would make a Khornate champion jealous.

>>52390853

I wonder whether Khorne or Nurgle 'bless' or 'help' Kryptman in any way... cause well, his hate is enough to drown a Bloodthrister and the stuff he concocts are more than enough to make Tyranids go yadda.

Oh, and Gork and Mork to, for his extremely orky behaviour

>>52391423
He's not apathetic, despairing or accepting to be Nurgle.

He's not an ork and so of no interest to Gork and Mork.

Khorne maybe likes him for his delicious anger but he would find no devotion from Kryptman.

>>52390853

How expensive (and easy) it is to process Nids into something edible? Cause if its cheap and easy enough...

Voila! No more need of those boring field rations or starvation! Nids full-course, with...

Carnifex steak! Homogaunt potridge! Acid juice! Swarmlord dairy! And delicious Hivemind brain soup, courtesy of that [insert Chinese or Viet equivalent here] cook! No more hunger, eat like a pro ALL THE TIMES!

(notes: we will suffer no repercusion in case of allergic reaction upon eating Nids product, or any lives lost during the process.)

>>52393172
I imagine it's inexpensive to make it edible with the right skill and know-whats. It's just that if you fuck it up it will fucking kill you stone dead. Also without seasonings it tastes like shit.

Since the First Tyranid war the Ratlings have been making a name for themselves as something other than snipers.

If you are fighting 'Nids and your supply dump just got fucked over and ruined then everyone is suddenly grateful for that pygmy cook. He can make anything taste, at the very least, like chicken.

>>52393172
It seems to be working for the orks.

But then or is are more resilient than everyone else.

heres the kryptmann sotory, dont have a good name for it though

The screaming could be heard throughout the ship, a armsman snaps out of his sleep and bangs his head on a beam. Even a tech priest down in the belly of the ship looks up confused as to what she had heard. It was screams of inappropriate profanities and the rambling of a madman four thousand years past his expiration date. Tycho rushed down the ship's corridors, darting around corners and dodging past confused armsmen, if he could not dodge them he would push them aside. He shouted ‘’get out of the fragging way’’ before slamming down a unwary remembrancer, he thought he could hear bones break as the tiny man hit the wall. Tycho knew he should have stopped and helped him but he had no time, this could be an actual emergency. What if a contamination had been breached? The last thing he needed was a dussin hormagaunts running rampant on the ship. He shouted a half assed apology before darting past two now terrified armsmen and down another corridor. After taking two more turns he found himself in a long corridor. At the end of it stod Marisa, furiously typing away on the door lock to the ships laboratorium. She turned around her hair swinging around as she faced Tycho and shouted.

- The bastard has locked himself in the lab and i can't get the door open! her face was a mix of rage and worry. Tycho paused and caught his breath.

- Stand back! i'll get the fragging thing open. Tycho relaxed his body and cracked his neck before raising his shoulder and sprinting down the corridor with all his power. Tycho knew he would get the door open, the blast doors had not been activated so with some brute strength the door would smash under his force. He was not a small man, in fact he was huge, so huge he could make a space marine look like a twig. Being born on Catachan would do that to a man and combine that with power armour he could probably stop a tank. He just hoped no one was standing behind the door.

>>52396996
As he rushed down the corridor Marisa took a couple of steps back and readied her heavily modified bolt pistols. She had no idea what was happening behind that door and the last thing she needed was having that old fool fighting a horde of tyranids. She thought about how the screams had woken her from her well deserved dream, and she'd had just had a very nice dream about two sisters of battle. She pressed down one of the pistols triggers and the multiple barrels of the pistols whirled to life. She heard no sound of struggle, only the perpetual rage of the old Inquisitor. Tycho came barging at the door with such force Marisa could feel the shockwave. The door to the lab burst inwards, not stopping tycho himself at all, he continued into the room, only stopping when he purposely tripped and landing into a nearby bookcase, sending hopefully non important books all across the room.

Not that it made any more of an mess. The lab was in utter chaos. Papers and books were thrown across the lab, expensive instruments and machinery were smashed. The contamination tubes, holding the dussin hormagaunts were destroyed, glass shard and liquid covering the floor in front of them, the hormagaunts who had taken them both many lives and resources to capture lay dead, all with neat lasgun holes in their heads. In one of the rooms corners stood the small group of xenobiologists who were working in the lab, they were all shivering and staring in horror at the now silent Inquisitor Kryptmann. He had stopped screaming as Tycho came barging through the door and was now staring at his two companions with an unfathomable rage in his eyes, yet there was sorrow deep inside them.

- Inquisitor! Merisa exclaimed.

>>52397018
- Did the specimens escape? She was trying to keep eye contact with Kryptmann but that look almost made her shit herself. He had always been an scary man, the combination of madness and deep rooted hatred was a combination that made her, Tycho and almost anyone near the man afraid. Tycho stood up, scanning Kryptmann for any signs of injury.

- He looks fine to me Merisa. Tycho was panting heavily from his marathon around the ship.

- That's because i am, not fine in the sense that our research we have conducted during the past five years have proven to be worthless. Kryptmann’s voice was tired. he kicked one of the tyranid corpses laying on the floor and muttered something under his breath.

- what about the specimens then? why did you kill them? Merisa was now not only confused but more angry over that he had killed the hormagaunts, it made the hunt for them and the sacrifice of ten guardsmen worthless.

- They taunted me! They began cackling towards me, whispering about how all i did was for nothing and that i should have died with tyran. Though the rage was still in his eyes the sorrow and pain in them was now obvious. Merisa and Tycho both knew that Tyran and Kryptmann was a touchy subject, but what can you expect from a man who had seen his home been brought to dust and to powerless to do anything to it.

- So i told them i would kill them all, every single one of them until i could rebuild Tyran with their bodies, I will rid the galaxy of their destruction, i will avenge every single life you have taken! you hear that you bastards! Every. single. one. He screamed out into the emptiness before falling to his knees and burying his face in his hands. He began sobbing and whispering about his home and family. ‘’im sorry i could not help you, im sorry i could not stop them from taking you.’’ he whispered.

>>52397045
Marisa holstered her pistols and began walking towards the broken inquisitor and Tycho pointed to the group of scared xenobiologist to leave and left they did, with such a hurry that one of them tripped on one of the tyranid corpses and had to scramble himself up before darting for the exit.

Both Merisa and Tycho knew that Kryptmann was prone to have ‘’outbursts’’ as they called them, their predecessors had told them about Kryptmann, about his past and his pain. They like the ones before them had been chosen because they had something in common with the old man. Mersia had seen her hive get destroyed by the tyranids, Tycho had seen his entire platoon get slaughtered by the same foe and they like Kryptmann had powerless to stop it. Merisa crouched beside the weeping Kryptmann and placed her hand on his shoulder. The old inquisitor stopped his grief and looked up at his companions. His face was worn and his grey beard was long from years of neglecting, but it was his eyes that would always carry the most impact. They looked like her’s on the day the devourer took her family and home, they were the same eyes Tycho had when he saw his comrades get torn to bits. But she knew that there was more behind them then the grief of his loved ones, there were fear. The fear that he will become what he has dedicated his life to destroy. She had heard him mutter about how the Kryptmann line made them no better than the tyranids. They burned down the homes of billions just as the tyranids did. He feared that the abyss had begun staring back. Tycho was obviously frustrated by the situation and he had opened his mouth on multiple occasions only to close it with hesitation.

>>52397045

- I still see them in my sleep, every night i see them be slaughtered by the never ending tide of creatures. Kryptmann was looking into Merisa’s eyes with the plead for release.

- I know Boaz, I too see them and Tycho too. We all remember them and we have to live through the nightmare every night. But it reminds us, it reminds us of those who we have lost and that we have to avenge them. It's the horror that sparks our rage and the rage is our drive. Merisa smiled softly towards the inquisitor.

- Besides, maybe we shouldn’t try to destroy the tyranids themself and maybe the hivemind instead, it’s what keep the smaller ones going isn't it? They’re basically brain dead without it. Tycho had finally talked, but to Merisa’s dismay it wasn't the words of encouragement that she had hoped for. She looked up towards Tycho and sighed. But without warning Kryptmann leaped to his feet, eyes wide and burning with a newly ignited joy.

- What did you just say? He had a huge grin on his face and Tycho did not know if he should be terrified or happy.

- Umh, that we should target the hivemind instead. He was slowly taking steps back but Kryptmann followed.

- No, no no no, the part about the smaller ones!

- That they’re basically brain dead without the hivemind. Tycho was staring at Merisa desperate for an answer. She just shrugged and smiled. She knew that something had sparked inside the old man's head and that could only mean that he had an idea.

- YES! Brain dead! That's what we need, quickly find a book called ‘’The angevin crusade’’ it may hold our answer. He leapt to the ground and began scrambling through the hundreds of books and papers on the ground. Tycho and Merisa looked at each other, sharing a moment of confusion before they too joined the hunt for the book.

>>52397086
After a short while they found what they were looking for. A large book with a small headline under the title ‘’The war against the Yu’Vath’’. Tycho made a small grunt before acknowledging that he had heard about the Yu’Vath.

-They’re some kind of xeno race that came into conflict with the imperium during M.36 and that they had warp based technology and shit. Kryptmann Turned towards Tycho and nodded excitedly.

- Yes and the imperium was supposed to have encountered a biological weapon made by the Xenos, a kind of disease that targeted the brain tissue and destroyed it, the disease was very dangerous and could spread through and entire regiment of guards men in hours, the effect was incurable and left the body brain dead, ah! here it is. Kryptmann began reading out what he read.

‘’On the planet of Selix the imperial forces encountered a horrible display of biological warfare, the Yu’Vath had released a destructive disease that would target brain tissue and render the target brain dead. The disease would spread to many bodies within the matter of hours and would kill in minutes. The planet was evacuated and contamination units were sent down to fin the catalyst of the disease. But not before a total of one point three million brave soldiers lost their life. The source was found inside an old bunker under the planet's surface and after a quick firefight with its guardians they sealed the bunker off and bombed the planet from orbit. The planet was placed under quarantine and remains so till this day.’’

- But that dangerous to all of us. Merisa replied, wondering if Kryptmann’s answer was to kill whole planets again.

>>52397117
- No, not if we can modify it. What if we can modify the disease to target tyranids brain tissue, such as the synapse, that would render them useless. Think of it, such a disease could kill off an entire hive fleet before they could adapt. Kryptmann was smiling widely and was looked back and forth between Merisa and Tycho. Tycho looked at Merisa and gave her a wondering look, she looked back and simply nodded.

- That could work, only we need the disease then and that could be life threatening. Marisa replied, Kryptmann turned to face her, the fear was gone and his eyes were filled with maniacal hatred.

- It’s decided then! were leaving for selix to find our self a fragging brain killer, you hear that you bastards! I'm going to lobotomize your kind with a fragging flue! Kryptmann began laughing hysterically and both Tycho and Merisa were just staring at him in awe. Merisa thought she must have been wrong about him, if the abyss was staring back at him, he probably was in the process of gouging the abyss’s eyes out. If the hive mind was truly talking to inquisitor Boaz Kryptmann, they would not be taunting him, no. They would be fearing him.

that fun writing, what do you guys think and are there any other things i can write about?

>>52382470
>Organic converters turning living and dead organic matter into "food"
[distant autistic screeching from the vague direction of Boaz Kryptman]

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>>52397136
I love it.

Kryptman is delightfully insane.

Plz put on the 1d4chan page.

Also this but with more beard is how I'm imagining Old Man Kryptman.

>>52396996
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>>52397136
What do you have against quotation marks?

>>52398532
sorry, it's becasue im swedish and thats how we write dialouge in most literature

>>52398606
Ah, I see. Carry on, then.

>>52393172
>>52393793
Tyranid flesh is probably nasty to deal with. Tyranids are basically biological terraforming devices. Like the Kaiju from Pacific Rim. You kill it? It leaks its bodily fluids all over the place and aids in tyranoforming the planet. You don't? It runs around chopping down all resistance. Given that most morphs have a lifespan measured in days, their flesh is probably laced with enough toxins that would kill a normal animal, just to deny the native predators biomass.

Those smokestacks that you see on Hive Tyrants and the like are said to also be spewing out microscopic spores that further sap the enemy. So fighting tyranids without a gas mask is at best like fighting in hay fever.

Rippers are probably like a cross between fried lamprey and balut, given that they're larval forms that with the right stimuli can grow into the other forms.

It kind of reminds me of what happened in the original XCOM, where after finding out that the aliens are eating humans the humans decide it's fair game to turn the tables on them. Bases which see regular combat against the Lobstermen often requisition suspiciously large amounts of butter.

>>52390853
Added the two renegade DEldar and the New Men. Put the New Men on the Forces of Chaos page because no better place for now.

Agree about the Technocracy. Nobledark Balthasar Gelt is too good of an idea to pass up, though it's going to take some work to balance it with the rest of the universe.

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>>52398811
>fried lamprey and balut
>combat against the Lobstermen often requisition suspiciously large amounts of butter
Necromunda regiments are game for the Tyranid munchies. Also, I remembered that one hive world homebrew guard regiment inspired by the Kowloon walled city, with flashy john woo shock troop tactics. They had a mining polluted moonlet for a homeworld and a genestealer problem brought by a colony ship that crashed in the early days and became the foundation for one of their hives. They likewise ate tyranid, did tyranid derived combat drugs like powdered swarmlord chitin, and like taking trophies from dead space bugs, and in all seem like a perfect ally for Kryptman even after he becomes a semi-rogue agent. Hau Yuan Exterminators I think they were called, and they generally seem to fit better in this AU than vanilla.

>>52399227
I remember them and wholeheartedly agree.

When Kryptman needs some heavy muscle he hires "private militias" from this world. And he has hired them a lot. Kryptman is by himself a economic boon to that shithole of a planet.

Also the Inquisition never actually went so far as to revoke Kryptman's stats as an Inquisitor so he isn't any sort of rogue agent. Not as such.

They just put big fucking restrictions on him. Like not being allowed to go anywhere near an exterminatus weapon without at least one other Inquisitor of sound mind, nor is he allowed to command a ship capable of nuking things from orbit and other things.

>>52398811
For Boaz Kryptman every mission is a chrysalid mission.

Has it been decided what Ultramar was doing in this AU?

>>52400518
I was imagining how the characters in this AU would react if they met their canon equivalents. Oscar and Emps probably wouldn't get along well, Nor would Admiral and Warmasters Horus. Really most to the chaos primarchs would be horribly chewed out by their counterparts, if not killed, same goes for a bunch of the loyalists. On the other hand, the canon equivalents would likely call the nobledark imperials soft, naive, etc. At such a point they are directed to our version of Kryptman, and possibly served some well cooked carnifex.

>>52401447
The biggest point of disagreement between Oscar and Emps would most likely not, to everyone's surprise, be over xenos. It would be over their long-term plans for humanity. Emps would see Oscar as too passive. He managed to rescue Isha, but he has no active endgame for humanity beyond "avoid being buttfucked by Chaos".

Oscar would retort that the Emperor was too ambitious. He bet everything on the Webway project, and when that failed he had no plan B. Canon Emps bet big and lost. And when you're in charge of an entire galaxy, you don't have the liberty of gambling with everyone's lives. It's what makes the difference between being around to make sure your Imperium doesn't get fucked up and being a vegetable on a shiny chair.

Pre-Chaos Horus might have gotten better with the Admiral. Although the fact that Admiral Horus was more open about his ambition and his political aims would have made Horus uneasy.

Aside from the chaos primarchs chewing out their counterparts, canon!Ferrus would hate nobledark!Ferrus, who was literally everything he feared would come to pass.

Eldrad and Eldrad would get along like a house on fire. Canon!Eldrad would love to hear how things would have turned out if he managed to talk to a reasonable Steward instead of a corrupted primarch.

>>52401324
The Kingdom at the Edge of the Galaxy. As an interstellar Survivor Civilization, they came into the Imperium on the same type of deal as Mars. Guilliman saw the Realm of Ultramar as perfect for his Imperium Secundus contingency, because Ultramar was about as far as you could get from the core of the Imperium while still being in civilization. If something horrible were to happen to the Imperium, Ultramar was the best place to be out of the splash zone.

As a result, Guilliman spent a lot of his time on Ultramar. His Europian upbringing meshed perfectly with Ultramar’s Greco-Roman ideology, and he helped iron out some of the kinks in Ultramar’s political system (like Calth and Macragge feuding over who got to be in charge). When the Beast hit the only non-Roboute survivor of the Guilliman line was his grandson on Macragge. Today there are a number of people with the name Guilliman in Ultramar, all really, really distant descendants.

They’re real close to the Tau. Tau and Ultramar are right next door as far as the galaxy goes, and Ultramar is more pragmatic when it comes to dealing with the Mechanicus. Ultramar was also one of the first people with which the Tau shared their new Tau drive, which revolutionized civilian and cargo transport in the region.

Also hit by tyranids, both by Behemoth and the first shots of the main hive fleet.

>>52400518
I think he was excommunicated but this is more so he didn't have free range to hit the big red button whenever he wanted. Like you say, he's not rogue by any means, he just doesn't have the direct authority to do something stupid like throw genestealers into an ork WAAAGH! again.

Are ships still largely powered by manual labor in Nobledark?

Does the "men are the only expendable resource" mentality have a hold?

>>52404731
This was discussed here and there in the last two threads. There's manual labor, but it's more Wooden Ships and Iron Men than slave labor. Life out in the void is hard, but it's not horrible, to the point that people who live it full-time (from admirals to rank and file voidsmen) have this weird sense of pride over it. It helps that a lot of the Navy families are descended from the Voidborn fleets, enough ancestry to look odd (pale skin, receeding hairline) but close enough to baseline that the Void Wolves and their successors can recruit from them (except Black Legion). That's not to say the bad parts of the Age of Sail, such as mutinies, harsh discipline, and the occasional unauthorized press-ganging don't happen though.

Tech is a little better. AdMech let people have autoloaders to not look like complete hoarders and make people go the Tau, Demiurge, Kinebrach, etc., but autoloaders can still break. Also makes little sense to have slave labor to that degree when devices as simple as pullies and ramps could reduce it. So it's less a thousand slaves pulling a macrocannon into place with whips and more a dozen guys hoisting the cannon into alignment.

Is the 40k canon actually veering into Noble-dark territory with the resurrection of Guilliman and sorta-kinda alliance with the Eldar or something?

>>52405477
Doubtful, the alliance with the Eldar only last until an Eldar eventually fucks over the Imperium of their own gain. Probably just battle-buddy Eldar with Imperium but only some Eldar have a problem of backstabbing the Imperium now. Papa Smerf being from Heresy Era, try to change the Imperium for the better would have tons of humans going "wah wah but I want this Imperium to be a shithole" leading to rebellion or something.

In short, trying to do reasonable things in the Grimdark future will fuck you over.

>>52406095
Shame. 40k would be my favorite sci-fi setting if it weren't so retarded.

So what's Eisenhorn doing in this timeline?

>>52407996
I would imagine not that much different.

Fucking around with the practical application of Deamon Lore is still strictly taboo in the Imperium. Yes the Grey Knights and Exorcists do some dubious things but they admit to it fully, take all possible safety precautions and have an Inquisition scribe making detailed recordings of all proceedings.

That's the big difference between the operating procedures of the Grey Knights and the Deamon Breakers.

Also Eisenhorn would not be a Deamon Breaker. He's too friendly with things from the other side.

He is hated by all sides and hunted mercilessly. He is in effect a Chaos Sorcerer albeit one with good intentions. His saving grace is that he is a lot more trouble to Chaos than the Imperium.

Unlike Kryptman he has had his Inquisition status officially revoked, not that this even slowed him down.

He never intended to be this way. He is on this path because he made one well intentioned decision, carefully considered and in isolation not bad choice after another. Now he's nearly 500 years old and has no friends and is on the run from everybody with Cherubael as his only company.

>>52404221
What sort of civilization would they be?

Given their position and their Guilliman influence I can easily imagine them having conscription.

But what beyond that? Are they ruled by the military elite or the merchant kings?

Is there some level of democracy in a one planet one vote type arrangement or is it very much a micro-empire.

Are the Ultramariens an arm of the government or merely an independent force strongly linked with them?

>>52410298
There was a suggestion it was kind of like the historical Delian League at first, with Macragge being in place of Athens. Guilliman reformed it so Macragge wasn't always running the show, but at the same time Macragge didn't have to worry about being upstaged by Calth (who could support truly ridiculous levels of population given it could grow food both above and belowground). I don't know if we ever said one planet one vote, but I think that may have been the implication.

Like 50% Greek, 50% Rome. Nuceria is the member that no one likes.

>>52410716
Why does no one like Nuceria?

>>52411386
Because they're a bunch of dicks that resemble the worst parts of ancient Rome with none of the good parts. Aristocracy keep control of the planet through bread and circuses while everything is shit. Remember, this is the same planet that vanilla!Angron landed on.

>>52402945
Is it bad that I kinda wanna see some formal crossover writefaggotry? Like Return of the Primarchs, when the chaos ones come back and talk to/fight their 30k GC counterparts.

>>52411669
Then either it's been taken over by the administratum or it's improved to some minimal level of accountability but is still regarded as Ultramar's Somalia.

Bonus points for Angron discovering it in the GC and going Full Red Angel on the place.

>>52413627
There was a suggestion in a previous thread that Angron found out about Nuceria and started foaming at the mouth about it because of how much it reminded him of Nord Afrik and Guilliman had to talk him down. Angron said something like "these people make other people into monsters. They make children into monsters. You cannot just let them be".

>>52413627
>>52414323
I'm still working on the Angron bio, but I was going to have Nuceria be the slaver that bought Angron as a child and forced him to be a gladiator, since I find reinterpreting ideas from canon to be more interesting than just reusing them. If we want to merge this with the ideas around Nuceria the planet, then I could see a scenario where "Nuceria" isn't actually the planet's original name. Instead, Angron sees the images sent by the scouts on the planet, gets his PTSD triggered super hard, whispers one word, "Nuceria," and then teleports down to go on a murder spree, and afterword the name sticks since most of the ruling population is too dead to object.

>>52414492
In a galaxy of planets it could even work out that the man and the world share a name, and the unfortunate coincidence leads the planet to get stomped on by the red angel.

>>52414567
IIRC, in this timeline Baal wasn't the planet's original name, but when the Blood Angels decided they finally had to set up shop on somewhere that wasn't Old Earth, they settled some planet and named it Baal after Sanguinius' family name, to show that they were all sons of Sanguinius.

>>52415328
On subject of Baal, what the fuck is the Sanguinor in this AU?

>>52416932
possibly a clone, or a biologicus project meant to recreate sanguinius from the original gene-smith design. It probably isn't common knowledge, even back on old earth.

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>>52417039
Wow.

Holy fucking shit.

The mad men actualy did it. They cloned Sangy.

So long as the Blood Angels still stand Sanguinius will live again.

Bonus points if it's the same Mk III S geneseed they keep transferring from one to the next.

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>>52417123
Nah, not a Sangy clone, you start that kinda wacky shit and that's how you get the dumber parts of fluff from canon.

The Sanguinor is another piece of writing that I've started but has long been on the back burner, will likely try to finish it after Angron. Technically nothing is "canon" until it's written, but as mentioned many threads ago the gist is that the Sanguinor is Azkaellon, the only survivor of the Eternity Gate, wracked with survivor's guilt and camping out in corners of the Webway where he hides in between rescuing Blood Angels. I was also considering bringing in some Mephiston fluff in that Azkaellon's latent psychic potential was unlocked by his near death experience to explain how he pull off stuff like tackling Bloodthirsters into orbit.

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>>52417341
That is even more badass.

An old as Bjorn angry blood drinking space marine kept alive through sheer bloody minded stubbornness.

>>52417341
HOw is the Angron story going?