>>51646615
>>More croneworlders
I had a couple of ideas for CEldar elite infantry units.

>Gorgons
Gorgons pursue the Slaaneshi ideal of sensation being a weapon in and of itself. They eschew conventional weaponry in favor of bizarre arrays of demonic hologram emitters, noise-makers, and more exotic sense-effecting devices. They use these to attack the minds and souls of their targets directly. At its simplest, a Gorgon's attack is simply a spray of epilepsy-inducing noise and sound, paralyzing and confusing entire companies with sheer neural overload. A more focused attack can burn out a mind entirely, causing brain-death without a single trace of physical damage. Given time in which to work, increasingly exotic effects are possible, from mass hallucinations to causing basically arbitrary mental illnesses to 'programming' a mind to respond to certain subliminal cues. A Gorgon's approach to combat varies widely by individual, ranging from full-frontal epileptic assaults to slowly programming entire regiments with subliminal cues to explode into fratricidal violence at the right moment.

Fortunately for the Imperium, the sort of absolute understanding of psychology needed to make a good Gorgon is rare; the sort of skill that allows entire regiments to be attacked at once rarer still. In addition, Gorgons are not often liked by their fellow Croneworlders. They approach sensation with a highly technical mindset, speaking of baud and bit-rate and qualia where most Croneworlders speak of overwhelming religious ecstasy. This limits how well coordinated they are on the battlefield, with the Gorgons mostly being left to go do their own thing, irrespective of where they would be most useful on the battlefield. Still, a skilled Gorgon at the wrong place at the wrong time can- and has- turned successful campaigns into catastrophes.

>>51647211
>Phalanxes (could probably use a better name)
Phalanxes form the heavy-armor assault infantry of the Croneworlders. They are sealed into suit of possesed armor, which quickly (and extremely painfully) integrate themselves into the biology of its host. Once put on, the suit cannot be removed. The armor is not actually that heavy, and Phalanxes retain most of their agility; what makes them durable is the armor's ability to shift in response to incoming threats. Lasers? The armor becomes a near-perfect mirror, reflecting the incoming fire back at the attackers. Bolters? It becomes a bizarre labyrinth of sharp angles that deflects the shells away from vital organs. Plasma? Electrically charged sea-urchin spines that disrupt the magnetic sheath of the bolt and cause it to detonate harmlessly in midair. Melee attacks? The armor can go so far as to sprout bladed limbs of its own to parry with. Almost any kind of attack in existence has some kind of counter, and the Phalanx can use them all. The armor also incorporates strength-boosting mechanisms, allowing the use of heavier-than-usual weapons, the most iconic of which is the Zweihander; a ten-foot-long power blade made for cleaving through entire ranks of men at once.

Thankfully, forging such suits of armor is time-consuming and difficult, limiting the number of Phalanxes in service. The only reliable way to overcome a Phalanxes' armor either with overwhelming force (heavy artillery, tank cannon) or by targeting them with multiple types of weapon simultaneously and hoping the armor gets 'confused' and is unable to effectively ward off them all. Among other Croneworlders, Phalanxes are both respected and pitied; the nature of the armor means that anyone who dons it effectively gives up all other sensation in favor of the heat of battle; an admirable choice in some ways, but not one most Slaaneshi would make.


Thoughts on these two?

>>51647211
So far there has been mention of "balesingers" alongside hereteks, sorcerers, and haemonculi, so they're presumably a crone aligned sort of craftsman, alike to the rest of the list. They might be the brains behind the Phalanx armors and Gorgon weapons.

>>51646615
make sure to finally add the list of gods

>>51647211
>>51647472
They be insidious, devastating and quite probably not safe to their users and allies. They're prefect.

Gonna have some ordinary guys writing posted in a few days. Maybe less, depends on my schedule and whether the people around me let me write.
Oh, and I'm doing some slight changes to the AdMech sociology stuff - mostly because I've never seen any factions of the AdMech other than "Doesn't touch xenos stuff, the warp, or innovation.", "Is an absolute heretek", and "is a heretek that fell to chaos".
So yeah, that's gonna change into a more sensible base for plenty of internal conflict. Still gonna keep the basics of the admech, and even beef it up, but the factions need an overhaul.

I don't know enough about the croneworld eldar, but I'm going to make them friends of the DMech.

>>51649162
Keep in mind that in this timeline the AdMech are more like “jerks with a heart of gold” rather than simple “jerks” like in canon. They’re assholes in general, but they actually have some redeeming features rather than being merely tolerated because they provide all the tech like in canon.

Case in point the Veyna fiasco.

In canon, the Adeptus Mechanicus noticed the lakes of liquid hydrogen at Veyna’s poles, unilaterally seized the planet for their own use without telling anyone in the greater Imperium, and rounded up all the inhabitants to be worked to death in the nearest Forge World.

Here, the Adeptus Mechanicus noticed the lakes of liquid hydrogen, filed a requisition form to the Administratum to expropriate the planet because of its strategic resources (mostly as a formality of a heads-up rather than to actually ask permission), forcibly relocated the locals to a nearby planet, and then sold them their own planet back to them by offering them jobs working in the factories refining liquid hydrogen.

Is this an asshole move to pull? Absolutely. But compared to what they did in canon it makes them downright saints.

>>51649684
>forcibly relocated the locals to a nearby planet, and then sold them their own planet back to them by offering them jobs working in the factories refining liquid hydrogen
Reasons why I like this AU. Gave me a chuckle.

>>51649684
So far, I'm pulling from Jewish jokes, traditions, and factions. But with more dickery.
Orthodox don't touch new-tech (what they call entirely new designs and xeno-tech)
Reform touch new-tech all the time.
Conservative touch it in private.
Reconstructionist are basically reform, but with way more reverse engineering to discover their sacred First Principles.
For children born to the faith of the Omnissiah, they are given their first implant 8 days after birth. It has blinky lights, but otherwise does nothing. At their 13th birthday, they are tested on their knowledge of the Rites, and given a pair of goggles. The goggles are useful.
Actually bears no resemblance to the ancestor of the Yechudite faith, despite scholars of ancient religions trying to prove so.

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>>51649835
I can already see the in-universe conspiracy nuts frothing at the mouth.

>>51649835
And the biologicus?

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>>51650381
The priests of Molech could be the Radagast the Brown equivalent to priests of Mars being Saruman the White.

>>51650471
I'd say Spinosa but that works too

>>51650381
The AdBio were lumped in with the Admech for Imperial Organization purposes. Their variant of the faith is (obviously) different, but can best be stated as Reform/Reconstructionist. There is literally no way to perform genetic modification by rote and get the same consistent result every time. Damn near every object produced will have a schematic somewhere, a standard template that details every part of its structure, construction, and workings.
People have no STC.
>>51650369
This time, they might have a point instead of pointing to Jewish advisors who were at the courts to make the local ruler like them enough to give a fucking eviction notice that didn't involve mass slaughter. Or the fact that Jews focused on being skilled labor that could be taken anywhere. Or how the Jews were consistently forced into providing their goods for less than cost and those who didn't were legally guilty of fraud.
Sorry, I grew up Jewish, and am just a little bitter over the entire conspiracy. Because if it was true, I would like my jew golds NOW. And a promotion.
And season 2 of Firefly.

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>>51582450
Luther's rant on the
>Eldar
>galactic
>conspiracy
Jewish international conspiracy

>>51650623
>Spinosa
Ah, good old Baruch Spinoza. Too bad the fucking ashkinazim decided that the sephardi had to play by their rules, leading to the fucking Jew Popes of Amsterdam (the sephardic rabbis who kept a tight grip on the community to prevent the ankinazic rabbis from whipping up a pogram against them. Yes, that literally happened once), who excommunicated him for too many questions.
Actually, a perfect example for the AdMech vs AdBio fights.

And with random inspiration, here's the Yechudite faith (draft 1)
http://pastebin.com/ed60881M

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>>51651053
Looks good for a basic outline. Is it going to go on The Page?

>>51649835
>>51650369
>>51650784

>Religion founded in middle of desert
>Orthodox version of religion is harsh and uncompromising, often seen as closed-off by outsiders
>Has a single god that is an eldritch being that often acts inconsistently and has trouble remembering the frailties of mortals, despite wanting to help
>It's often the prophets' job to protect the people from this god. Mostly by arguing with him.

What have we done, anons?

>>51651189
Soon. I'm going to flesh them out more, so suggestions are welcome.
I'm also working on the AdMech religion, so expect bouncing around between the two, while working on a story that consists of guardsmen swapping stories around a campfire, and writing whatever else strikes my fancy.
I'm slowly getting back into my creative groove, so actually completing something will be great for me.

>>51651280
More like what GW did. I just took the basic structure they provided, noticed the surface similarities, and ran with modifying it to fit the logical changes Nobledark suggests.

The Imperium has no true FTL communications technology. Attempts to find this holy grail has failed, except for one variant of the Astropaths: Ansible Twins.
What they are is simple: two twin astropaths who can communicate seamlessly between each other in realtime.
What they were is complicated: two identical twins, born within seconds of each other. They must have exactly identical psychic potential, have no more than ).25% neurological differences, and be strong enough to survive being soulbound at the same time.
Ansible Twins are extremely rare: the Imperium might create one or two pairs every decade. Needless to say, this restricts them to the extremely important communication links, and infighting over them is always fierce.

>>51651415
Two questions: First, how is this different from how normal astropaths work? It may not be instantaneous but astropathy is definitely FTL.

Also, wouldn't it be possible to just grow psyker embryos either in-vitro or in-vivo and just shock the zygotes into twinning? Or do psykers not work that way (like you can have a pair of twins, but one is a psyker and one is not)?

By the way:
http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/
http://chaoticshiny.com/religiongen.php
perfect for randomly creating new religions for our Nobledark Imperium.

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>>51651280
>>51651317
It's beautiful. So sad that the only people in the Imperium truly aware of the scope of it consists of a few dozen people who know what's chained up in the basement.

In Vanilla Courtswain was the one who knew about the Void Dragon and it drove him completely bonkers. "Tear out the cybernetics and try and bite into an artery" type of bonkers.

In this Nobledarkness Senior Adept Courtswain is the person they show into the holding cell when they want some one to prod the Dragon or ask it questions. Needless to say he is the lowest ranking of the few what know.

Now the bonkers is replaced by vexation and irritation at the stupid word games and slippery answers and worrying questions. Also Senior Adept Courtswain is getting quite worried. Mag'ladroth has declared him to be Prophet Courtswain. When asked about this the Great Dragon replied

"You relay the words of your God to the lesser priests do you not? And you speak to your God on the comings and goings of your subjects. Do you not ask your God for wisdom and purpose and plead the case of the less worthy? You are my little prophet Courtswain. I have chosen you".

>>51651493
Ach, I forgot just how actually reliable Astropaths are now (Emperor trains them in a standard book of symbols, I guess).
AS for artificial Ansible Twins:
They tried. They discovered that there are just too many variables required for success, and forced twinning leads to a lot of failures. The AdBio still has a project dedicated to it, but it sees a single success about once every 3 decades or so. Mostly what happens is the twins can have widely varying potential, or one has all the potential, or even just the potential being a few decimal places different (when I said exactly the same potential, I mean exactly the same potential)

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>>51651415
>>51651601
>>51651493
It could be one of those weird mysteries that crop up and leave it at that.

The original Ansible Twins were Tedward and Todburt Ansible, born 347M31 in the land of Strayllya on Old Earth. They definitely existed and Oscar definitely remembers Soul Binding them.

It was thought at the time by Magnus, who was they leading authority of weird ass fucked up shit, to be some sort of bio-warp based entanglement.

Attempts to duplicate it via cloning, induced twinning, cross possession and other methods have yielded no repeat of the phenomenon.

Very rarely the same thing is observed in other psychic twins with seemingly no cause or pattern.

>>51651842
They have determined the patterns of circumstance that create the chance to make Ansible Twins: Identical, born within seconds of each other, exactly the same psychic potential, and strong enough to be soul bound without losing their connection to each other. AS I said, one or two Ansible Twins are produced every decade (possibly century?), even with the thousands of potential pairs that are found every year across the Imperium. There are just too many background variables to create even a crude formula to determine who will succeed. There is an extremely unwieldy formula that has a higher success rate: 5%. The problem is that the average subject of the formula is dead when the math is done, and thus proven to have either failed or succeeded.

>>51652018
It's psykery. It's sticking your dick in the warp and hoping for the best. You can account for every variable, replicate every condition and still get a different result.

Real time reliable FTL communication. That's quicker than Navis Nobillite post boats, that's quicker than webway runners, that's even quicker than astropaths in good weather. It would revolutionize the Imperium. If they had a way of making Ansibles artificially no expense would be spared.

As such it must always be just out of reach because the universe is dark, the people are noble.

>>51652110
And the nature of the warp is why they can't artificially produce them. The best they can do is just look for specific circumstances and hope for the best. Even the best AdBio project can't be consistent, and Oscar won't touch most of them: they crazy. And usually get possessed. At the same time.
Also the entire thing of mass-producing psykers who, from the moment of their birth, know they are failures in a project, is not only unethical, it also leads to many issues. Like babies summoning daemons. The last project got shut down by its own manager, who committed suicide by turning himself into a servitor.

Random things from the background.

Kuridiam: An Eldar word meaning, roughly, “A detail revealed by a change in the lighting”.

Trokha Defera: Literally means “Acted Dilemma” in the language of a minor xenos race of the Imperium, this art form has become popular. It is very heavy on improvising and audience interaction, with the only absolutes between performances being the characters and the initial dilemma. What happens is the actors will wander between the minimalistic stage and the audience, seeking opinions on the current storyline, which always focuses on a particular dilemma the characters face, which can be moral, religious, philosophical, legal, or even a point of honor. AS the play progresses, the actors not only bring in suggestions from the audience, but also push their characters agenda, often complicating the situation while trying to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

>>51650793
Eldar Internet Defence Force when?

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>>51653357
>Implying they haven't been infesting the board for years

Got the section on Erebus mostly done, should I post it here or put it on Pastebin for review?

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Saving my stories to Pastebin because fuck digging through the achieves.

>Myrian Training
http://pastebin.com/tK49cVdq
How a desert death world train their PDF.

>Search and Destroy
http://pastebin.com/j3RnNXmj
The backlash from the Imperial Guard of Vandire's insanity.

>Beacon
http://pastebin.com/qc28cAaY
52nd Myrian Regiment explores a ruin to summon a galactic threat.

>Full Lasbolt Jacket
http://pastebin.com/vMvxA3Rf
Conscript's first experience of being thrown to crush a rebellion on a Fortress world.

>>51654856
If the writing is longer than two post, pastebin is where it probably belongs.

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>>51654856
>>51655042
Pastebinned write-up of Erebus, based on what we had in the previous threads.

http://pastebin.com/BF3sixkj

Tried to keep it close to what we had for Erebus' backstory. That is, to quote the thread, a good guy who makes some bad decisions and “pays for it by becoming the world’s most dangerous meth head”.

Probably need to add more detail of what Erebus did during the heresy and what he’s doing now.

I kind of stole a bit of Alexander the Great for Erebus’ early life. Told from birth he was destined to grow up to be a great conqueror, when things didn’t seem to go to plan he just…lost it.

Erebus is telling the truth for once. He joined the Word Bearers as a rank-and-file but was just really good at destroying his records. He knows that playing up the mysterious “Was he a Word Bearer? Where did he come from?” angle makes him look scarier and gets him followers. He renamed himself Erebus because he’s an edgelord.

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>>51655018
>Search and Destroy
>God-Emperor Vandire
>tfw when your own writing has vandire being worshipped by an emperor cult
Such a detail slipping in must be the work of a tactical...

>>51655301
>Come on guy, it's [Apostasy Age years]. Why aren't you worshipping God-Emperor Vandire?
Gets killed on Vandire's orders

Added the Lion writeup to the 1d4chan page, will go back and fix/clarify the parts with the new stuff we have for Luther later.

>>51648949
Got another one.

>Meltheads (definitely need a better name)
Meltheads appear to be in a state of constant disintegration, sloughing off tracts of skin and slowly bleeding from every pore. This is because they are, in fact, constantly disintegrating, at a rate matched by their incredible powers of regeneration. They form the cornerstone of the Croneworlder's biological/chemical attack capabilities; their flesh, as it dissolves, gives off toxic/hallucinogenic fumes of wildly varying effect and potency. In light concentrations, this can be warded off with standard NBC gear and void suits; in heavy concentration it ignores any and all conventional precautions, as it is psy-active and warp-based, and these qualities come to the fore as it accumulates. In addition, these clouds can exhibit mobility and sentience, actively pursuing enemies and hindering the movement of people caught in them. In addition, by ripping out their own (regenerating) organs and performing various rites with them, Meltheads can create still more elaborate and dangerous effects. The most common of these is the 'smoke pot', which simply vents long-lasting fumes in vast quantity until destroyed; enough smoke pots are certainly capable of rendering a world forever uninhabitable. Other known effects include 'rust clouds', which destroy machinery with hideous effectiveness, and 'purple fog', which can evidently phase in and out of existence and exert limited mind-control abilities over people caught in its range of influence.

(cont.)

>>51656634
For all their terrible power, Meltheads do have weaknesses. For one, they are often listless and unmotivated, having to be goaded into battle by their handlers; without provocation, they are often content to wander listlessly and stare blankly into the middle distance. Second, the smog generated by a Melthead is evidently in some sense still part of their 'body'; this means they can exert control over its movement and effects, but also that the smog dissipates quickly upon the Meltheads' death. Third, enough fire does indeed burn off the smog, making massed artillery and airstrikes a viable option for dealing with the more exotic or permanent effects.

While Meltheads are generally seen among Croneworlder forces, Nurglite examples have been known, and are generally even more hideous. There are indications that Meltheads are actually the castoffs and rejects of some experimental regime or procedure; what the finished, complete product would look like is almost too hideous to contemplate. Finding more information on this potential threat is a top priority of the Inquisition.

Thoughts on this one?

>>51656675
Nice and grim, the weaknesses are good. Possibly make them a bit rare?

So I was basically refluffing this game
http://www.freelancetraveller.com/features/culture/games/travfuda.html
But I'm not at my computer now. Sorry, I like to focus on random background details that add realism.
Ideas for games that people play in the Imperium? Other than a very meta grimdark fantasy wargame version of their universe?

You know what, more Croneworld elite infantry!

>Slaughtermen
The result of a Chaos Eldar being infected with the Obliterator techno-virus. Slaughtermen are capable of forming nearly any man-portable weapon out of their evil-nanomachine-infused flesh, for a wide definition of 'man-portable'. Even more dangerous, Slaughtermen are capable of extreme precision with their weapons; as their ammunition is as much a part of their body as their weapons, they can perform such feats as seeing through and steering their rounds mid-flight. This allows incredible feats of BVR accuracy, as well as makes them excellent scouts. On top of that, they are also capable of creating 'drone' weapons such as autoturrets and spider-mines in order to harass the enemy long after the Slaughterman itself has vacated the area. Fortunately, the formation of such tools is apparently extremely taxing and rarely done.

Slaughtermen do have their weaknesses. They do not have unlimited ammo; they evidently have an internal 'reservoir' of ammo-mass that slowly refills over time, and can be expended. This contributes to their emphasis on precision over mass of fire; compare Traitor Astartes infected with the Obliterator, who have either genuinely unlimited ammunition or simply a vastly larger 'reservoir' and thus lay about with abandon using heavy weapons. For another thing, they use projectile weapons almost exclusively; their ammo-scrying and ammo-steering abilities do not operate, or operate with reduced effectiveness, with energy bolts. Finally, even though their ability set would be greatly complemented by stealth and camouflage, they are often anything but stealthy. Flamboyant markers of rank and kill-count (synonymous among Slaughtermen fraternities) are the norm, which allows them to be picked out easily on the battlefield. Of course, exceptions exist. They are also found with some frequency among Khornate Eldar, for obvious reasons.

Thoughts?

>>51656954
Rarity works.

>>51656675
Damon that's grim.

This is far, far too fun. Somebody please send help, I can feel the warp overtaking me.

>Meatweavers
The combat medics of Croneworld forces. Meatweavers are bizarre things even by the standards of Chaos, bearing the scars and mutations of rampant self-experimentation. In battle, they show an incredible ability to quickly repair the wounded and dismantle the dead. Those the meatweaver deems beyond healing (a very variable judgement) are ripped apart, their organs stored and used to fix up others- or simply create hideous combat abominations. Any prolonged combat with Croneworlders will see these Frankensteins shambling across the battlefield, composite minds still dimly remembering the beings it once was. Beyond such creations, meatweavers sometimes inflict "upgrades" on their patients, ranging from redundant vital organs to extra arms to ghastbone prostetics. Not even the bodies of the enemy are safe, the corpses of humans and Eldar alike transformed into more horrific meat-weapons.

In combat, meatweavers pose little direct threat; although certainly lethal close-up, they prefer to focus on their work over direct engagement. It is the things they make, and their ability to restore wounded enemies to full health, that are dangerous. Interrogation by the Inquisition reveals that they regard their work as a sort of art form, their way of becoming closer to their god through the act of 'creation-rape'; the involuntary nature of their modifications is an essential part of the work. It has been suggested that all or most meatweavers start life as more 'normal' unit types, and are gradually transformed into meatweavers through successive rounds of injury, surgery, and augmentation.
They tend to get on fairly well with Ork Doks.

Hmm. Not quite happy with this one; it's missing something, although I can't quite put my finger on it. Any suggestions?

>>51655262
>literally walk up to the Dark Angles and say you are a Word Bearer emissary
>they let you stay with them
Alpha Legion tier infiltration

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>>51655018 Two stories I saved detailing C'tan vampires.

>GeGe's Odd Adventure Part 1: Immortal Blood
http://pastebin.com/JXGgPE7H
Inquisitor's party encounters two Lahmian vampires.

>GeGe's Odd Adventure Part 2: Battle Stance
http://pastebin.com/KHnPEWnZ
That one time a Nosferatu vampire evolved beyond being a vampire.

>>51659982
With the Dark Angels it was more like he only showed himself to Luther, who was already not in the best place mentally to questiom things. Erebus convinced Luther, who then convinced the rest of the Fallen, who were more used to taking orders from him than from the Lion. No one in the Dark Angels knew Erebus was involved until they were too far gone to come back.

Or maybe that's still to obvious. Maybe the Word Bearers were known to tag along with other legion to act as the angel on their shoulder, and Erebus just exploited that. I would just say he tagged along with joint operations and corrupted people then, but Lorgar's not an idiot and he would have made sure an egg that bad was well-known among his legion, at the least.

>>51655262
>>51661752
Pretty good, but I was suggest a few changes. Right now, Erebus is sort of a nobody when he falls to Chaos, and I feel it's too late early. Erebus is established to have been the First Captain of the Word Bearers so either he hid his corruption for some time as he rose through the ranks or fell when he was an established hero. Personally, I think it works much better if he falls to Chaos after he's made it to First Captain since it a much more tragic character arc: here is a good person who was an admired hero and saint who was undermined by his self-expectations. I imagine he felt like a fraud since everyone hailed him as a saint and he never heard or felt the voice of god, so the doubt and desperation opens him up to Chaos. Being first Captain also better explains how Erebus is able to corrupt SMs in other legions, and adds an element of grief to Lorgar's vendetta against him rather than just anger at betrayal. Narratively, it emphasizes "dark" of nobledark, and that no one is above temporary weakness and the lure of temptation.

>>51662646
>it's too late early
Damn phone, it should just be "early"

>>51661752
I like the idea that the Legions would often borrow specialists from each other.

It's also possible that Erebus was being subtly masked by other Things so that they never made the connection between the description they were given and the man before them. So long as he never met any actual Word Bearers that had met him he would have been fine with a bit of cunning.

>>51662646
I agree that thematically it works much better. But if Erebus was the first captain, then everyone would have been on the lookout for him following his betrayal. It would be as if Kharn or Abbadon had fallen. He would have been too high profile not to notice.

Any suggestions on how we can get Erebus into the Space Marines in the first place? Right now it seems like he is doing it to spread the word of Chaos and spite Lorgar, but if his fall doesn't happen until later it doesn't work.

I'd like to keep the "vague, fuck-em up" prophecy in some way, because it sounds like a nice Oedipial self-fulfilling prophecy. Erebus was told he was destined to be a great leader and prophet. He was...but for Chaos.

>>51662681
Maybe that's why he changed his name to Erebus. Everyone would recognize First Captain whatshisface, Erebus had no name recognition. Although if he was as high up as Kharn or Abbadon, his face would have been pretty well known.

He chose the specific name Erebus because he is an edgelord (Greek myth connections to Chaos and all that).

>>51662916
They might not recognize his face afterwards.

Lorgar was well loved in his Legion. If someone spat in Lorgar's face whilst the Chaplain-Primarch was holding out the hand of friendship they would have had a bad day.

>>51662681
It could work like in the game 'Tyranny' where an army of the BBG have advisors, overseers, and diplomats from other armies of the BBG. In theory, these cross-army representatives work to relay orders, improve tactics, and keep each other in check. In practice, however, the effects are next to useless or are actually harmful.

>>51662916
>Arn't you the first captain of the Word Bearer Legion?
>No...
>Isn't he wanted?
>I have no clue what you're talking about...
>!
Compared to:
>Hello I'm generic Word Bearer #593 aka Erebus
>Are you the new advisor for the Dark Angles?
>Yes
>Welcome aboard!

>>51662814
>>51662916
>>51663042
>>51663081
Why does everyone assume Erebus had to be flamboyantly chaotic with horns and shit after he fell? Most of the time Chaos subversion is pretty subtle, like in canon where the Luna Wolves had no idea Erebus was evil and trying to convert Horus. Combine that with the Steward, who pretty much knew nothing of Chaos compared to canon Emps, so as long as Erebus stayed away from Farseers he was fine.

>>51663081
The specialist exchange could have been either Oscar or Guilliman's idea. In theory it should have been a brilliant thing that would have filled in the Legion weaknesses with borrowed strengths.

In practice it just made a lot of people shout at each other and little else.

The practice was largely abandoned as the Legions fell apart.

>>51663147
He wasn't flamboyantly chaotic, but Lorgar was well known to be very vocal about things he did not like. If First Captain Erebus fell you can bet Lorgar would be like

>This guy
>This fucker here
>Filthy double-traitor. Double-heretic. Caught him trying to subvert my legion.
>Public enemy number one. Make sure everyone knows his face and knows not to trust him

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>>51663147
I was thinking he looked like every other Word Bearer when he infiltrates the other Legions. That's why he can say "Luther, I am Word Bearer Legion," and nobody gives a shit until goes full cultist mode.

>>51663177
>Mr. Iron Warrior, how do we dig-in properly?

>Have you ever built a planet-wide trench?

>[Empire's Sons shakes heads]

>No wonder you have this weak stench! To not known how to dig-in, should be considered a sin!

>Stop singing you ass, let me teach them how to fortify!

>An Imperial Fist?

>Set the turrets, when I say go, be ready throw! Go!

>[Empire's Sons deploy bunkers]

>No, throw down turrets, not bunker!

>>51663147
But that's the thing, Lorgar probably didn't even know Erebus was fallen until the WotB actually started. Consider the fact that Erebus is a sneaky git in canon and sets up the warrior lodges right under the noses of a lot of the loyalist Primarchs. Nothing explicitly chaotic, but sets up the groundwork and logistics for corrupting people.

Erebus in this AU would probably know it's best to keep his loyalties hidden until he can actually act on them, and if we go with this specialist exchange stuff then he was good reason to be away from Lorgar's attention for long periods of time. He probably roamed from legion to legion, building connections and sowing the seeds of doubt. For example, Erebus' first conversation with Luther probably wouldn't have been offer the deal, it probably was something along the lines of "Oh gee, Franj really USED to be a great place huh?" which would make Luther and all the hardlines Dark Angels froth at the mouth, so now Erebus knows what levers to pull to corrupt them.

The whole repentance conversation between Lorgar and Erebus could have taken place during the early WotB, when Lorgar still thought there might be hope for Erebus, in the same way that a lot of the canon loyalist Primarchs tried to talk down the traitors before they realized they weren't going to stop.

This >>51664045 was meant to reply to >>51663418

Since we have such a big mess with our terms for the imperial forces:
The Imperial Army is the official designation for all the official armed forces of the Imperium (and thus does not include citizen militias, or Planetary Defense Forces, which are legally the same thing to the Imperium), a measure to ensure true combined arms forces. The Army includes
The Imperial Guard: the ground forces of the Army, including the in-atmosphere air forces, and the boarding forces used to capture ships (no matter how much the Navy complains).
The Imperial Navy: the dedicated space forces, including the specialized orbital bombardment platforms and the surface sea combat forces (no matter how much the Guard complains).
The Adeptus Astartes: the heavily augmented specialized forces, the elite of the elite, able to fight in space and on the ground. However, they really just go where they think they're needed.
The Orders Militant of the Adepta Sororitas: Technically not part of the Army, they insisted to "make the paperwork easier". Still, the fact that two separate organizations command them causes some issues.
Craftworld Forces: always under the command of the Eldar, even when seconded to other Imperial Forces.
Exodite Eldar: they actually have no issue with being part of any of the other Imperial Forces. The only forces that they aren't part of is The Astartes and Sororitas, as the augmentations are human only (and the Eldar are too genetically stable to be given such major augmentations).
Tau Forces: always under the command of Tau.
Other Forces: the oddballs, capable of being anything, such as Colonel-Seer Rommel and his force of custom heavy tanks and battlesuits.

>When did Lorgar find out Erebus had fallen

Lorgar discovering Erebus would have to be at the earliest sometime during the Great Crusade, because Lorgar didn't know that Chaos was actually malevolent as opposed to just dangerous until the Steward did. But it couldn't have been too long because the primary reason Erebus went unnoticed in canon is no one even knew Chaos existed.

On the other hand, Lorgar going thee hundred years without noticing something was off about Erebus, especially since Lorgar knew the signs of Chaos corruption, seems a little odd.

>For example, Erebus' first conversation with Luther probably wouldn't have been offer the deal, it probably was something along the lines of "Oh gee, Franj really USED to be a great place huh?" which would make Luther and all the hardlines Dark Angels froth at the mouth, so now Erebus knows what levers to pull to corrupt them.

This is probably exactly what happened.

>>51664470
>Colonel-Seer Rommel, commanding a combined tank/Tau battlesuit division
Why do I get the impression he's an Alaitoc Ranger.

>>51664752
>Rommel, Alaitoc Ranger?
Nope. Exodite (from an Eldar/Human/Tau world) who grew up with a minor archeocultural database that basically held Girls In Panzer, a shitton of heavy metal, and the cultural context articles for the entire thing. He grew up obsessed with tanks, and even changed his name to the ancient tank commander of Rommel. And his local farseer said he needed training as a seer, despite not showing a lick of ability for it, then said his second lesson would be found in the IG as a tank commander.
It was when war came to his homeworld that his destiny truly showed. His leman Russ wrecked outside his home village, he looked at two equally trashed tanks: a baneblade and a cobra. His until then hidden gift flared up, and he gave a fateful order to the local technicians and bone singers. Merge those tanks. 12 hours of work later, it was ready. His old mentor then said "the second lesson ends. Now begins the third."
Rommel called him a dick.
Rommel's foresight is extremely accurate, but severely limited. He can only see events that he will be present at, and occasionally get flashes of needed tactics (such as when he gave an Earthshaker precise firing angles and times, before kneecapping a chaos titan, putting it in a position for the Earthshaker round to hit an unprotected spot and detonate its power core).
He also loves music, and often sounds his charge into battle with his Carnedanian bagpipes.
His tanks make the orthodox Mechanicus scream in horror, send most Eldar into shock, and makes the average Tau cream their panties.
Cobra/scorpion armor on a baneblade chassis, its ground pressure reduced by grav tech, triple pulsers on the turret and a d-cannon secondary weapon, an advanced power plant, Tau stabilizers for even more accuracy, capable of 115km/h, the entire assembly is a masterpiece of combined engineering. And hard to produce, with only 10 a year (or less, depending on how often he needs spare parts).

>>51665174
It also lead to the Unifier class battlesuit, which is almost exclusive to his support infantry because production can barely keep up with said infantry's tendency to wreck enemy tanks by ramming.
50 tanks are under his command, as are 1000 battlesuits, and a support corp of quartermasters and technicians that count as an army in their own right.
Rommels has discovered the third lesson: he can push fate, but at the cost of his own soul. Farseers say he has 500 years before he needs to retire to the infinity circuit. He told them to piss off. He'll die before 500 years has gone by, and when he does...
There won't be enough of a soul left for any god to fight over. He knows the time of his death is coming, for he has seen it every night since his gift showed. Every night, a different version. 150 years to plan the perfect last battle. He will fall, his command will live, and chaos will be dealt a major blow. Soon, his doom will march on the Imperium, and he will do as the Guardsman does - and Hold The Line.

There is a joke that Rommel is Creed's secret alter ego, as they never seen in the same place. All jokes aside, every attempt to get the two of them in even the same sector has been sidetracked by the sudden appearance of threats they had to deal with.
The one time it worked, they stumbled onto a major cult of Tzeentch via a tank dropping through a sinkhole. Which answered every question of what force was preventing them from working together.
Then everything went back to normal and they were never on the same planet ever again.

>>51665174
>>51665361
All but for the origin of the dude and the lolz so randum Girls In Panzer for no reason it was pretty fucking good.

Would make more sense fro him to have been a dissatisfied youth from Alaitoc. One of the weird ones that never grew out of the wandering.

His personal war-chariot already sounds like a manifestation of his weirdness made in machine.

I'm imagining his full name being something on the lines of Kaeseith-Forsan Bill Fio'La N'dras Naseur Rommel av Alaitoc. He wears Tau pathfinder armour under a Steel Legion great coat. Armed with an eldar plasma pistol and a demiurg sword. All of it knickknacks picked up form centuries of wandering before he found his true calling.

>>51666158
I never said it was specifically GuP, but referenced that to give an idea of what it was.
I prefer Exodite and a dick far seer trainer since we need more Exodite characters.

>>51666158
>>51666211
The Exodites are basically Space Amish. They reject using advanced technology except in the direst situations where the natural defenses of the planet aren't enough to discourage any would-be attacker.

Much like there are some Craftworld Eldar that get dissatisfied with the rigidity of life on a Craftworld, there are probably some Exodite Eldar who get fed up with living in the Stone Age and join Craftworlds or settled Maiden Worlds (indeed, there probably are canon examples, but I cannot think of any). However, I doubt the Exodites would tolerate anyone trying to industrialize their world and change their way of life.

So in the last thread there was talk of the centuries of silence in which Vulkan vanished/died.

In Vanilla Chaplain Xeviar was a HH era chaplain that fought alongside the Primarch and later there was a chaplain of the same name in M41.

I'm going to suggest that we merge the two of them. Dreadnaught Chaplain Xeviar. Last disciple taught by Vulkan and probably the only person who knows what happened to him.

Not to be That Guy, but is anyone actually lending a hand with the organisation like in the OP? I haven't seen writefag around since and activity on the 1d4 seems absent, so if he's busy then the backlog of writefaggotry's just going to accumulate.

>>51667423
Was trying to get the Erebus stuff done since it was said that was something that needed to be written up and synthesized from the discussion in previous threads.

What specifically needs to be done to help with the organization? I don't know how to create new 1d4chan pages but I can help with other stuff.

>>51665174
>>51666158
>>51666211
>>51666467

I actually had some thoughts and suggestions on the Exodites and Eldar Maiden Worlds that might be applicable here.

When the Eldar joined the Imperium, one of their key terms was that the Imperium recognize the Eldar’s prior claim to the Maiden Worlds. The Eldar put a lot of work into terraforming those worlds for future settlement, and they didn’t appreciate the idea of someone else coming in and snatching up the fruits of all their hard work. The Imperium agreed, on the condition that the Eldar do the same for any worlds that had been clearly terraformed by humanity. As a result of this agreement the Craftworlds drew up a list of all the known Maiden Worlds in the galaxy. To the Eldar, this let the Imperium clearly know which worlds were “theirs”, though the Imperium pushed for it as well so the Eldar couldn’t suddenly show up when they colonized a planet and claim “this was a Maiden World all along”.

Unlike canon, the Eldars’ interest in keeping humans off Maiden Worlds is not entirely a matter of self-interest (though that is still the primary reason). It’s also a matter of safety. Terraforming a Maiden World often involved such things as subtly tweaking the orbit of a comet to smack the planet to provide water, or causing massive supervolcanic eruptions to alter the planet’s atmosphere, which would be devastating to anyone on the planet’s surface. The Eldar didn’t want people to go squatting on an unfinished Maiden World, get wiped out by a preplanned terraforming event, and then complain it was the Eldars’ fault, when the Eldar had warned them that unfinished Maiden Worlds were not safe.

>>51667683
In the last few millennia (read: in the millenia since the romanticization of the alliance), the Eldar have allowed small numbers of other species to live on Maiden Worlds, but only after they have been extensively settled and colonized by Eldar first. To the Eldar, the Maiden Worlds are Eldar worlds first and foremost, and members of other races are only allowed on them because the Eldar permit it. The Eldar never allow Maiden Worlds to be settled by other races first. The only “exception” to this is New Tanith, but that was more due to Prince Yriel than anything else. Officially, New Tanith was given to Prince Yriel on behalf of Biel-Tan as a gift, who then in turn gifted the planet to the refugees of Tanith, as was his right.

>>51667702
The Exodites are kind of like a combination between the Amish and Sakoku Japan. There is perhaps one major settlement on the planet that allows advanced technology, primarily as a spaceport to allow trade with the rest of the Imperium. The rest of the planet is explicitly low-tech.

In a previous thread it was mentioned that in some cases the Eldar prefer human goods because although they are lower quality they are often cheaper and can be made more quickly. The Exodites take this a step further. Much like many simple living groups (e.g., Amish, Mennonites), the Exodites often prefer human goods because they are crappy, and thus force the Exodites to work harder for their living. In addition, trading for tools made offworld means that an Exodite does not have to break from their austere lifestyle to make the tools necessary for such a lifestyle to be possible, and can devote more of their time to work. The Exodites mostly trade for these goods with surplus food (what little they usually produce) and handmade goods. Any surplus food that cannot be used for trade or stored for hard times is generally donated to the war effort.

>>51667751
The Exodites are rather picky about who they allow on their worlds. If an outsider wants to visit the world and watch the dinosaur jousting and is willing to do so respectfully and without disrupting the Exodite way of life (read: no high tech), fine. If one of their Craftworld kin gets fed up with the rigidity of the Paths and wants to adopt the Exodite way of life, fine. If a human wants to do the same, they may allow it, though the Exodites are often skeptical of the ability of a human to tolerate an Exodite’s low tech lifestyle.

However, the Exodites do not tolerate anyone trying to industrialize their world and disrupt their way of life, whether it be a Craftworlder or a human. Those who try to do so are summarily booted off the planet at best. Trying to invoke the protection of the Imperium to protect you in these matters does not work, as Imperial representatives are quick to say that the Exodites are the ones who make the rules on their worlds, and if you break the laws you are on your own.

>>51666467
>>51667683
Okay, so new faction of Eldar, who live on planets, but aren't Exodite. I got confused and thought Exodite meant any Eldar that didn't live on a Craftworld.
>>51667423
I helped move stuff to new pages last night. Just need to update each one with links back to the draft page.

Green World Eldar
The official story of The Fall is that the only two groups to survive the fall with almost no corruption were the Craftworlds and Exodite. The Green World Eldar would like to dispute this.
Green World is the crude and snappy translation of the term uses for them, which is more accurately "Eldar who live on a world whose aura is green with harmony between nature and technology". Another term is the ancient human word Brinker, translated to Eldar as " one who lives their desired life on the edges of government controlled areas".
Unfortunately for their history, most Green Worlders are lumped in with either the Craftworlds or the Exodite, depending on how built up the planet is. They do not reject advanced technology or industry, but rather seek to harmonize it with nature, sometimes in surprising ways. To them, each piece of architecture is an art piece that makes a statement. One planet could have two factories right next to each other, one emphasizing its alien nature by building it in the Gothic style of the AdMech, and the other showcasing the hidden nature of logistical infrastructure by being built below forested hills. A home could stand proud and separate from the surroundings, while another is an artificial tree covered in climbing vines.
Green Worlders also accept other races on their worlds, reasoning that they too have their ways of harmony, and shouldn't they, as a planet, provide an example of harmony to the Imperium?

>>51666158
I also want Rommel as a young, driven, tank genius. Makes the fact that he is fast-aging himself and literally burning through his soul that much more darker.
And such a self-sacrifice is pretty damn noble.

>>51658549
Is it a good pain?

>Hmm. Not quite happy with this one; it's missing something, although I can't quite put my finger on it. Any suggestions?

We have Cronedar witch-doctors being the primary medics for the Cronedar grunts. Maybe Meatweavers are more like a rarer, weirder combination of medic and mad scientist, something which doesn't have a good analogue in a modern army that doesn't have on-site body modification.

A song for the Dark Carnival (because we need at least one filk song per thread)
https://youtu.be/HyTIt4AioEI

>>51667980
I think it was mentioned in previous threads that the Craftworlders are starting to set up regular old settlements on planets. New Tanith was being eyed for colonization by Biel-Tan. Colchis is a thing.

Because the Eldar aren't fighting a hundred petty wars with the Imperium (not to mention they are no longer forced to do all of their own fighting themselves) the Eldar are probably not as much of a dying race as in canon, though the population growth rate is still probably much lower than the Dark Eldar. So it makes sense that some have started moving off the increasingly crowded Craftworlds and set up "normal" colonies on finished Maiden Worlds.

>>51668611
Why is he fast aging himself? I got that this was happening but not clear on why.

>>51668732
Its the cost of him pushing at the threads of fate to make sure he gets where he needs to be, and to avoid disaster in battle. Fast-aging is a side effect of his soul dying. The farseers want him to leave enough of a soul to go into an infinity circuit so he can guide the next generation. He foresees too many lost battles and lives that would weaken the next generation if he retires before his time. And that's if he survives his last battle. He doesn't intend to, winning it is worth his life and his tank.
Eldrad understands. Eldrad just makes sure Rommel leaves enough kids behind to give the Eldar a generation of driven people who will show even a portion of his ability.

>>51662646
>>51662681
>>51662814
>>51663042
>>51663081
>>51663147
>>51663418
>>51664045

Okay, how about this. The-guy-who-would-be-Erebus gets put on the throne by a petty kingdom, thinking this is a sign that he is supposed to fulfill his destiny. The people start to get converted by Lorgar and his congregation disappears.

Erebus is a little freaked out at first, until he thinks "shit, this Lorgar guy might have a point" and joins the Space Marines. He rises through the ranks, getting acolades for how virtuous and divinely inspired he is, but he feels like a fake and a failure because he never felt divinely inspired.

Lorgar mentions he would have two chances to repent, but one kind of becomes the other when he spits in Lorgar's face and the other Word Bearers bum rush him.

Hmm...a little better, though we don't really have that breaking point that would push Erebus over the edge and bring him to the attention of the Chaos Gods. He never hits the low that makes him vulnerable.

Spitting in Lorgar's face was Erebus' point of no return. He took this step all on his own with no help from Chaos and it was the step that damned him. The devil is willing to tie every knot except the hangman's noose, after all.

>>51668862
But why is his soul dying? I don't recall anything about the threads of fate being binding in that way. Everything I've always seen in the fluff is it's more like alternate possible futures than a binding fate.

Now if he was breaking reality to get shit done, I can kind of see it.

>>51669003
He is breaking reality. For most seers, changing the threads requires them to set up plans to set up plans to perform a particular action at the right time.
He takes the alternate, more dangerous path, which involves pushing on the threads themselves instead of the situation that supports them. And as I said, that's where the cost comes from: it requires not only energy, but a bit of the soul to keep the pressure on the thread. That bit dies when the task is completed, having given its energy.
That's why almost no farseer does it: every Eldar life is precious, making his constant use of it in battle a controversy. He does it because his foresight is limited to just events he will have a direct hand in (but extremely accurate to the event), and thus can't build up the network of agents and helpers most farseers use to direct the future.
Speaking of which, Eldar farseers being important to the Inquisition, yes or no?

>>51669003
>>51669215
He even knows which song he will die to (he has been seeing his final battle in his dreams for 150 years now): Blind Guardian's "And Then There Was Silence".

He is also easily dispensed with if we have a hard time fitting him in. He's a cool character that my brain insisted I tell you guys about, but at the same time, he's an eldar who grew up with an archive of ancient human media, commands fifty custom tanks, slowly kills himself with a controversial seer technique, and will announce his charge into battle by playing the bagpipes. He may be too weird for this verse, even if he is aweome.

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>>51669215
Farseers would be great to be employ by the Inquisition. The problem is finding an Eldar who would willingly join the Inquisition. Whatever homeworld a Farseer is from would love to keep them. The Inquisition wouldn't give a shit about what the homeworld have to say but just conscripting Farseers run the risk of them escaping. Being the paranoid organization it is, they don't conscript them just to prevent creating renegade Farseers. If anything, you would see Farseers barely volunteering to work for the Inquisition or becoming Inquisitors themselves.

>>51669671
You would also see a lot of farseers joining tthe Inquisition. Not a lot, but enough to form a solid core of people who can look out for potential flashpoints.

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>>51669671
>>51670008
>the inquisition would actually lie to itself this much just to get qt eldar waifus in their ranks

not on my watch

>>51670039
Get outta here, you xenophobic separatist.

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>>51670073
eldar are good for ______

>>51669671
>>51670008
>>51670039
Again, in canon it is said the Eldar thought the Inquisition was one of the only good ideas the Imperium ever had. One even went so far as to say if the Eldar had their own Inquisition maybe the fall wouldn't have happened.

Not all seers are farseers you know. Some walk the Path of the Seer a while and then do something else. Farseers are just those who get fixated on it or decide they don't want to do anything else with their lives.

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>>51670073
This now a Fallen thread!

>>51668645
>We have Cronedar witch-doctors being the primary medics for the Cronedar grunts.
I must have missed that. I'll rewrite it and see if anything new shakes loose.

>>51670244
We have Isha and the Emperor. Your shitposting is our training grounds.

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>>51670228
>Eldar thought the Inquisition was one of the only good ideas the Imperium ever had.
the ask questions then purge anyways inquisition? I'm not calling you a liar, I just find it hard to believe that anyone would ever praise the inquisition, even the imperium hates them.

>>51670304
>Nobledark XVI
>still thinks the Inquisition is grimdark

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>>51670228
I was going to say if anything, when an Eldar becomes an Inquisitor, they would be stuck on the Path of the Seer or Farseer. The war paths like Warlock or other warrior paths won't be a good fit for the Inquisition, which deals in investigations more than frontline combat. Constant bloodlust and rage are not good qualities for Inquisitors who has a job beyond the battlefield.

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>>51670345
oh right, this is an altered 40k world you guys created where they aren't complete dicks im guessing? ill take my leave, sorry for interrupting.

have an admech qt for your troubles

>>51670304
>>51670345

No, this was in regular grimdark 40k. Yes, I too went "wot" when I heard it as well.

>>51670498
Yep, and thanks for the QT3.14!
You're welcome to stay and contribute, especially since a whole bunch of our current fluff is focusing on the Noble part of Nobledark, and we need some dark and grim to provide heroic contrast and tragedy. And internal drama. Need something to help nerf the Imperium's buffs without making them meaningless.

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>>51670285
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Forces_of_Chaos#The_Crone_World_Eldar

I originally made the idea of the Witch-doctors acting as a weak psyker defense and medic in a raiding part. The Meatweavers on the other hand should only act as medics as a secondary job, their primary task is to painfully augment or mutate patients. They wouldn't act as volatile as Witch-doctors (aka roll to see if the Witch-doctor is insane if within 5 meters from daemon or another Witch-doctor). Yet they are not as good as healing as Witch-doctors, instead having the odd role of giving random buffs/debuffs to patients. (roll to see if your Unlanded Warrior gets +5 aim or -5 aim)

>>51670039
>>51670244
Luther, stop.

Seriously.

You're embarassing yourself, and by extension all those who follow the great powers. The Eldar are not intrinsically either your allies or enemies. There is no reason to devote your hate specifically towards them. Remember when that balesinger had to save your ass during the third Black Crusade? Being an ally is not the same thing as being a thrall.

The Chaos Gods treat every mortal being equally, whether they be human or xenos. They pick no favorites save those who elevate themselves based on their own merits.

Instead of wasting your time on some frivolous galactic conspiracy, you should be focusing your hatred on the true enemy of mankind. The one who stripped your home nation, and so many other people across the galaxy, of its voice and ability to choose its own destiny. The Imperium.

But I guess it's true what they say. Only the strong-willed can stand in the presence of the primordial ones and retain any sense of reason.

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>>51670498
You are more than welcome to stay. We need more people to expand lots of different subjects anyway. Things like the Crone Eldar is missing huge chunks of lore other than "well this their home, we think this is how the soldiers are organized, and imagine Chaos cultist society but Eldar."

>>51670536
>>51670921
Basically, this. More people are always welcome, and more dark is welcome.

Join usssss anon

>>51670536
>>51670921
>>51670954
I have no idea where I would even begin. asking you guys for a tldr up to this point seems out of the question and a little much. what hasn't been covered that needs to be covered? I mostly know imperium related lore.

>>51670656
Hey, hey guys! I'm going to be needing your warbands now Luther. You would not believe how many artifacts the Gothic Sector- meybe this is a bad time.

I'll just be going now.

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>>51671004
There is some saved short stories onto pastebin like >>51655018 and >>51661341 that gives information using the setting or background details. Alternatively just going to the 1d4chan page to binge read on fanon lore.
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts
Unsure of something you can always dig through the archived threads.
Also this drives the theme of this AU.
>To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold trillions. It is to live in the last bastion of civilization as the darkness draws near. These are the tales of those times. Forget the stories of peace and harmony, for they are fables of a gentler time, when the world still made sense. Remember the stories of struggle and defiance, full of brotherhood and sacrifice, for those are the ones that really matter. Peace is a distant dream growing ever fainter, and there is only war as Men and Eldar hold the line for the promise that has been whispered through the generations, from father to son, from mother to child: that there is good left in the world, and that is worth fighting for.

>>51671136
Fuck made for
>>51670995

>>51671136
An issue is that we are on thread sixteen, six and nine have two threads, and thread one wasn't archived. But hey, I overcame that by just quick scanning for things relates to the lore I wanted to write and catching up in between

>>51670995
Almost all of my lore knowledge comes from reading the RPGs and Lexicanum. (Because too poor to buy codexes and minis).
I seem to be doing okay. I think.

>>51671292
Digging through the archives is "I can't find it on 1d4chan but somebody mention it in the past after asking in the thread" step I take.

>>51670995
I just read the THREAD FOCUS first in every OP thread post, then coming up with lore to create or expand upon.

>>51670995
I would say one of the most important overarching things to remember in this universe compared to canon is that darkness exists in the galaxy not out of malice or because the Imperium does not care, but because people are fallible and the Imperium does not have the power to fix everything.

Hive cities are not hellholes because the Imperium does not care about quality of life. They are hellholes because the infrastructure is breaking down after 10,000 years of use and the Imperium does not have the resources to repair them. The Inquisition, Commissariat, etc. may have noble goals and many well-meaning individuals, but mortal men and women are always capable of being corrupted by power and your more stereotypical grimdark individuals do exist, even if they are regarded with disgust by their comrades and often end up paying for their crimes. The AdMech may have actually benevolent intentions in this timeline, but they are still largely assholes. The Tau Ethereals genuinely want what is best for their people, but they are having a hard time separating their desire to do good from their desire to retain power.

And that's just within the Imperium. Step outside the protective walls of civilization and you have innumerable enemies willing to tear it down. The orks and Chaos are like the forces of entropy and barbarism made manifest. The Necron Star Empire seem reasonable, but despite having noble goals on paper their behavior is completely alien, being post-scarcity, post-singularity, post-individual, and post-heroic. The tyranids are like a living tsunami rather than a conventional foe.

People are more reasonable, but that doesn't mean the problems of the universe just go away.

>>51672164
Also, the Imperium is much more welcoming here, but that doesn't mean its a star trek style utopia in that area either. Ancient and modern interracial conflicts flare up, religions fight their wars under Imperial notice by keeping their multi-planet fronts apparently unrelated, cults of chaos hide in religious tolerance, xenophobes of all races try to separate the imperium into their people and cannon fodder, and that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

>>51672287
>>51672164
It's also worth noting that after 10,000 years the word Imperium has in the common knowledge become another word inseparable from Civilization.

>>51670228
>in canon it is said the Eldar thought the Inquisition was one of the only good ideas the Imperium ever had. One even went so far as to say if the Eldar had their own Inquisition maybe the fall wouldn't have happened

This really doesn't make that much sense. Eldar and humans are so different you can't just relate them through this organization. Their social structures are completely different, their relation/interaction to the warp (and therefore warp entities/Chaos) is completely different. All Eldar are psykers while only a tiny fraction of humans are, this would make policing psykers nearly impossible for Eldar. Also, the corruption of the Eldar took many millennia and started with things that weren't evil by nature. It's much more of a gradual slippery slope than what humanity has experienced. Humans are extremely prone to corruption and half the Space Marine chapters fell to Chaos within a couple hundreds years. Human Imperial society is very brutish and full of violence and corruption on such a level that if humans had even a fraction of the spiritual potency that Eldar do, the entire galaxy would be engulfed in a new warp rift that'd make the Eye of Terror look like nothing. These civilizations really have no parallel besides their hatred for the threat Chaos currently poses and virtually no Eldar fall to Chaos willingly. Just saying.

>>51650793
>Luther predicts Vandire
wew lads

>>51671547
S-senpai reads my OPs?

>>51670995
The Nobledark Drafts page that >>51671136 linked to is where we keep our main shit, while the shiny 1d4 page in the OP has stuff that (should, if I fucking got it finished) is a pretty good tl;dr for the overall setting at least.

>>51673145
All praise the God-Editor! Ten thousand pages of writefaggotry are sacrificed every day to power his Golden Typewriter, shining with light to inspire untold pens! To write in his times is to be one writer of untold trillions, forging Original Content as a force against the Trope Gods of Mediocrity! Forgetr the tales of childhood and ancient times, for they mean nothing here. Regect the tales of bad fanfic, for they will lead you astray. Cleave to his mighty Red Pen, and save your mind from the Swamps of Sameness

>>51673440
"Because if you're going to parody me, make it ludicrous and awesome." - Emperor Oscar Steward

>>51673465
This begs a rather stupid question.

In this AU is there sanctioned/tolerated parody porn of The Emperor? And how deeply involved in it are the SoB?

>>51672447
It's GW logic, man. The same company that puts out lore that is sometimes nonsensical or requires events happen by all parties involved act like they're holding the idiot ball.

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>>51674482
That shit might fly under the local planetary governor but when the Arbites, the Inquisition, or Orders Securities decides to stop it, they will fucking stop it. The people participating in the porn might only get their skulls smashed then whatever legal punishment under the law if the Arbites find it. The Inquisitor might give the people a pat in the back before throwing them into a penal colony or something equally odd. Orders Securities would just kill before asking questions because they already know every detail of the crime when they kick the door down, then publicly hand the body as a reminder to prevent crime.

>>51670008
Eldar as a general rule lack the temperament and psychological aptitudes to make good Inquisitors. There would be few with that title.

But on the other hand there would be no shortage of Inquisitors wanting to hire them.

>>51669279
I'm seeing his life as a pawn, or possibly the subject of a wager, between two gods. One is Big Bird, or more likely one of his greater deamons.

The other player is either the cosmic jester or Eldrad.

>>51675782
The few who do would probably be found among those who have spent time on the Path of the Warrior, the Path of the Enforcer, and possibly the Path of the Seer.

The obsessive nature of a job as an Inquisitor would really gel with Eldar psychology, but it would mean that any Eldar that joined the Inqiusition would get stuck there real fast.

>>51676649
Big Bird and the slowly forming warp god of mercy, self-sacrifice, and nobility, Sanguinius

>>51676696
Ah, the rare Enforcers/Seer combo. Or rather, not as rare as GW's combat-focused fluff would suggest. Their entire job: stop crime before it starts by disturbing the base circumstances said crime depends on. And when they can't, they know where the criminal will be.

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So is there any reason why many Gue'vesa exist? The Imperium wouldn't have sent a Crusader fleet to get millions of Guardsmen stranded. If anything, human colonists near the Tau territory would join the Tau auxiliaries as sort of adventuring or less suicidal than the regular Imperial Guard. Acting like Fire Warriors-lite, Gue'vesa infantry is more accurate and has more firepower than Cadian Guardsmen but not as good as Fire Warriors. Just for the fact Gue'vesa are humans, they automatically get better melee strength than Fire Warriors.

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>>51676794
>Thomson Crüz works for an Eldar Inquisitor.
>The Inquisitor was a Seer and use his psyker powers to predict crimes.
>The Eldar and his retinue works to change circumstances so the crime doesn't even happen in the first place.
>So what happens when another Seer hunts down Thomson to prevent a crime from happening.

>>51676902
Eastern Fringe is crawling with Water Caste missionaries. There are worlds openly adhering to the Greater Good that have never seen T'au.

Tau have spread further and faster since giving in and becoming Imperium than they ever did independently.

Downside is that they had to adapt their beliefs slightly. Hence the Farsight Independence War.

>>51676902
>>51676902
The Gue'vesa probably don't exist, or at least there is probably little to no meaningful distinction between them and the average Imperial anymore for several reasons.

1) As you mentioned, the Imperium wouldn't have sent a Crusade fleet in this timelien, much less suddenly get stranded in Tau space. According to the timeline and previous threads, Imperial-Tau relationships started with the Imperium offering the Tau to join, the Tau saying no, and the two groups kind of agreeing to a "you stay on your side of space, we'll stay on ours" until the Tau ended up joining. The Imperium kept close tabs on the Tau the whole time. As mentioned before, the Imperium sees the Imperium=civilization, and so the idea of a civilized race who doesn't want to be part of civilization was baffling to them.

2) Because xenophobia isn't nearly as much of a cornerstone of the Imperium as it is in canon, the Tau actually see a lot of similarities between Imperial policy and the Greater Good, even though the execution is different. In this timeline the Imperium (by Tau first contact) is a group of species that banded together for mutual interest and self-benefit, and exalt self-sacrifice and individual nobility changing the world for the better. The Tau probably see the Imperium as following the Greater Good in their own way, though many Tau might see their devotion as purer.

3) The Imperium isn't enough of a shithole that there would be an issue of people wanting to jump ship and join the Greater Good.

4) Tau regiments get sent to the front line just like the Imperial Guard do. If you think that joining a Tau regiment means that you're going to be in a cushy back lines position, you're in for a rude awakening.

What Gue'vesa (if the traditional definition even applies anymore) exist would probably be like the French Foreign Legion for humans on Tau worlds, or converts as mentioned by >>51677095

>>51676757
I thought we vetoed that idea

>>51677736
[Spoiler] that's right, we did. Oops. I still kind of want a background plot of the Imperium slowly creating a new warp god, and this time doing it right. They won't see it until after the next black crusade, but eh. Part of the entire "dawn is coming" theme [/spoiler]

>>51677857
>unspoilered spoilers
Fuck you shitty tablet. Fuck you.

>>51677857
What is the Starchild

>>51678088
Which may or may not be a prophecy of doom.
And every time I see Starchild I have a flashback to 2001: A Space Odyssey, and then a bunch of hippies trying to claim it as prophecy.
So I'm still adjusting to the idea of it being serious fluff.

>>51677857
It was decided that there was no Sangy coming back as a lesser godly being.

But there has been someone or something running warring around in golden armour since ancient days.

It's either a Space Marine title and tradition handed down the ages, a very old Mk3 Grey Knight or a Space Marine preserved in some way. Nobody knows.

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>>51677736
>French Foreign Legion
That actually makes a lot of sense to compare the Gue'vesa to them. When a Tau world might have separatists, you send in the Gue'vesa to put them down. Maybe there is a battle where a Tau regiment needs troops that can shoot better than Kroots and fight CQC better than Fire Warriors. Seeing as there wouldn't be as many humans as Tau or Kroots on Tau worlds, any human joining as auxiliary would be highly trained troops than expendable cannon fodder.
Like Operation Serval if I think FFL.

>>51678395
I was thinking an adaptation of the basic idea: a god based on an idealized vision of Sanguinius, but not him. Of course, being a god of self-sacrifice, he gets to just enough of a form to perform said sacrifice against some force of chaos, holding their attentions for just a moment at the right time.

>>51678662
That's sort of amusing. It's a self terminating warp entity.

>>51678696
And each time wears a groove in the warp, based on its actions, that leads to it coming back just a bit sooner, just a bit stronger. Its been doing this for almost 10,000 years, fed by each guardsman, each marine, each warrior of the Imperium, that dies with a prayer to Sanguinius on their lips. It might take another ten thousand years, it might take less, before it is strong enough to be noticed by the people it dies for, but it doesn't care. Its still there, holding the line, time and time again, protecting a vision of the coming dawn.

>>51678760
Still not too keen on the idea of something like that.

I liek the ambiguity of nobody being sure what the fuck it is beyond "on our side". It should have no official answer in or out of universe.

>>51679323
Sorry, I tend to write from a meta perspective. In universe, nobody has any clue about except a few insane seers. All they know is that it distracts chaos, dies, and comes back later to do the same thing. Guesses range from a slowly forming warp god to a vengeful ghost, to even matching it to the decoy cathedral visit schedule of the Katholian Church Father or Dark Carnival ticket sales.

So I'm trying to get some ideas for the specs for the Unifier class battlesuit. I know the design basis is not going to treat it as a vehicle, but as infantry: itr is supposed to be Rommel's special infantry. I'm looking (for specs) at a cross between an XV86, a knight paladin, and the M6 from Full Metal Panic.
I know so far it jacks the control method from FMP, has a retractable power sword and some sort of energy weapon as its fixed weapons, and that the hands are free to use other weapons for increased tactical flexibility (like a bolter that fires 3 inch wide shells, or a scaled down railcannon). Oh, and plenty of jump capability, for maximum maneuver potential. Basically, they fulfill the role in the Ghost Division that infantry are supposed to fill in any tank unit: making sure that that guy over there doesn't fuck up your precious baby with anti-armor, and taking positions the tanks are too big to fit in.

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>>51646615
Question: Are Night Lords still murderous, cheating, vindictive assholes in this universe? And are they loyalist or Traitor?

>>51679864
They are.

They are the useful monsters of the Imperium called upon either when shit is so fucked up they can't make it worse if if they are fighting something irredeemable and there isn't anyone else around.

They are still loyal, they are still awful and nobody likes them. They can live with this.

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>>51679864
Most of the legion is loyalist but the exposure to Chaos during the Beast Era had some of the marines fall to Slaanesh or Nurgel.
>Konrad Curze was a man that could politely be described as driven, and accurately be described as a frothing at the mouth lunatic. Of all the Primarchs appointed, none were more questioned than he.
Committing war crimes and atrocities in both 300 years long the Great Crusade and the War of The Beast. Curze finally ordered his own legion to arrest him then execute him for his crimes after the war.
>To not be above the law even as victors, not even I should be able to escape justice.
Were some of Curze's last words. Shortly after the entire legion broke apart with a succession crisis. Even by M.41, there are still many regiments that can trace their roots back to the Night Lords. That includes the Warp Hunter warband that endlessly sows terror to bring the Imperium's death and joined the 12th Black Crusade.

>>51678478
the FFL is more akin to Tau forces serving the Imperium, I would've thought, given the relative status of the two

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>>51679864
>>51679940
>>51680022

The answer is yes, to all of the above.

Kurze liked to recruit people who had as much of a fucked-up upbringing as he did, people who knew firsthand the need for order and justice in the world. Sadly Kurze couldn't personally make sure that everyone who was recruited was willing to be a “monster in the name of justice” like he was, and a lot of Night Lords fell. Mostly the sadists who joined to get their jollies off. It’s possible that more would have officially fallen, if the loyalist Night Lords didn’t have such a violent, negative reaction to their comrades becoming the very thing they hated and trained to stop all their lives.

A lot of the Fallen Night Lords tend to go Slaaneshi. Particularly the pain and sadism aspect. As in, broadcast the dying screams of a tortured psyker into the dreams of an entire sub-sector Slaaneshi.

It was mentioned in the Vostroya fluff that Kurze was grooming Zso Sahaal to be the Nightwing to his Batman. That is, someone who used the same tactics but had enough charisma to get along with others and who wouldn’t cross the line from being “the monster in the dark” to “outright war criminal”. Of course, this being the Night Lords, a lighter version of Conrad Kurze is still pretty damn dark.

The loyalist Night Lords are hated, feared, and reviled, and as a result they are sent to the back of the line along with chapters like the Marines Malevolent when it comes to requests for new gear. However, unlike the Marines Malevolent, the Night Lords completely understand why they are being treated this way but they don't mind playing the role of the monster as long as justice is done. They still tend to be assholes and still have more than their fair share of monsters.

The feelings of a vanilla Guardsmen to a Gue'vesa pale in comparison to how loyalist Night Lords view their Fallen.

Just read the Ganymede section on thr 1d4chan page.

Is there an Inquisitor Bright?

http://www.scp-wiki.net/the-things-dr-bright-is-not-allowed-to-do-at-the-foundation

IF there is not I vote that Inquisitor Jaq Draco take this role.

Uploaded the "Galactic Pantheon" section to 1d4chan, along with some tweaks and add ons for the figures not covered like the Hive Mind.

We need an intro paragraph for it, particularly the irony that many members of the "Galactic Pantheon" are not worshipped as gods by many people in the Imperium, or at least not by the same people.

>>51680987
It was mentioned in the last thread that Draco is as nutty as a fruitcake and is possibly the only non-Ahriman human crazy enough to navigate the Webway. It could work.

Dropping in to be a disappointment to everyone as usual, but do we have those hub pages yet? And could we get some linkys here, too - the draft 1d4 stubbornly refuses to load on my phone, and has done so for quite some time now.

>>51681138
Damn that shit is tasty.

I hope you don't mind but I changed in the Gork and Mork section the word "clever" to "cleverer". It seemed more orky.

>>51681214
You could never be a disappointment.

>>51681138
I'll give that intro a shot.

Also, I remember there were some different blurbs for Bel'akor, who we decided was an early old one who attempted warp apotheosis, and was subsequently surpassed by the pure warp-god constructs that he deeply resents. A comparison was made to a transhumanist that was first to achieve recursive self improvement, but still had to make compromises and work for his keep after being surpassed by newer super AIs.

there was also a greentext last thread giving a short history of the outsider. He came across as the construct god to the Void Dragon's scientist god, and whereas the Void Dragon was one extreme of a C'tan liking the feeling of developing self awareness and eventually a warp presence, the Outsider was the other, hating it and wanting to stay an unselfconscious robot/physical phenomenon, with the other C'tan falling in the middle. He destroyed the other C'tan because their minds did the most thinking about it in the greatest detail, and did its best to erase its own self awareness through eliminating every warp effecting thing that understood it to be a conscious actor, then finally hid in the dyson sphere it built. It may have used the imperatives or implicit desires of the Silent King to destroy the C'tan after the deception was revealed to convince itself that it was still unconscious and devoid of will, but it really does know, deep down, that it did all of these things because it wanted to, and that it has its own internal drives, and as such it cannot be rid of it's self awareness. Likewise, because there is knowledge that something called the Outsider did something at some point, and is probably in that one giant sphere, it's warp presence as the ultimate unknown actor with unclear motivations persists,

>>51681214
I've been using the drafts page as our hub page for the other pages until we finalize our drafts for you to place on the main page.

>>51681214
Not sure what you mean by hub pages. If you mean coherent writefaggotry and introductions for the sections, that may be beyond my current abilities, as my brain has been pudding these last few days.

If you mean separating the drafts page into separate entries, I have been doing that.

If you mean scouring the old threads for info that can be uploaded to 1d4chan in cliff notes/greentext format, I can do that if that is what you want.

>>51682203
I didn't think there was ever really an agreement on that, or that we came up with an idea that really clicked with a bunch of people, though I could be wrong.

I am compiling a "major 'mortal' players of Chaos" (Be'lakor being the one major exception in that regard) blurb based on what we had in previous threads, but a more extensive write-up on Be'lakor would be welcome.

>>51682250
The drafts page has been a hub since forever (or at least since it was all moved from the main), but it's getting a ridiculous length at this point; hence why I asked for a hand splitting things up in the OP. Speaking of which...

>>51682614
Could you link the entries here? The drafts page steadfastly refuses to load even now - I should ( h o p e f u l l y ) be able to come up with coherent writefaggotry for intros in the not-too-distant future

As for scouring old threads for notes, you'd be a fucking saint (nobody should have to put themselves through that though)

>>51682715
>As for scouring old threads for notes, you'd be a fucking saint (nobody should have to put themselves through that though)

Bullet points format okay? I can leave ambiguous stuff that we were unable to agree on off.

Speaking of which, does anyone know of a better term to use than "major mortal followers of Chaos"? It works in canon because the warp entities mostly affect the Materium indirectly and the people fucking up realspace on their behalf (that is, the ones doing plots and stuff like Abbadon, Ahriman, Lucius, Kharn) are all mortals, but here you have mostly mortals and one really active "daemon prince".

>>51682715
I'll be back to splitting it up in reasonable sections when I get back to a decent computer (same reason I haven't posted any major writing for the past two days).
I could just create a new page that is just links to the new pages, but I think the category page works well for that.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Nobledark_Imperium

Major Blocks to be moved (my tablet does show the page):
Forces of the Imperium (huge chunk, also needs our notes on the Sororitas, I'm still finishing my changes to their augmentations, also, we need to finish arguing over >>51664470 )
Notable People (also huge chunk, has potential to expand a lot as our writing adds more characters)
Government Structure (gonna get huge eventually, but still a big block of text at the moment)
Should probably make a religion page at some point, since I like creating theologies, and fuse it with the Galactic Pantheon section.

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>>51670073
>>51670244
Remember, No Gothic/High Tongue.

>>51683435
[Mixed Eldar Gibberish]

>>51683527
Nah, I think regardless of wether the separatist rebel-terrorists are human or eldar, the targets of the No Russian type of fiasco will always be humans. Because human civilians are much easier targets than eldar civilians.

>>51683943
[Mixed Gothic Gibberish]

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>>51683943
>++883.M37++
>Cannae Bloodbath
This Inquisitorial report will examine to better understand what happened in that massacre. Imperial world Cannae has an orbital shipyard and port as the planet serves to be the sub-sector's trading hub. At peak hour for the Cannae station, 4 unknown people walked outside of a cargo lift covered head to toe in Craftworld armor. These unknown people would walk to the visitor plaza shooting everybody in sight. Survivors reported the attacks to have "fluid" or "graceful" movement and pic-recordings confirmed the accounts. At least one attacker was wearing female armor although the other three used uni-gender armor. Once reaching the plaza, the attackers encountered PDF and Arbites forces to delay them. The attackers slaughtered any resistance, the PDF slowed them long enough to evacuate civilians from sections near the attackers. Said to have reached the trash disposal units nearest to the plaza, the attackers disappeared without a trace afterward.

Without any recordings or even witness testimonies, there is no known conformation that the people under the Eldar armor were even Eldar. Both Securitas Sisters and Inquisitors have made many different suspensions of what the real identity of the attackers were. Orders Securitas suspect that all known evidence clearly points to Dorhai Eldar attackers, everything from the movements, tactics, and markings tell this tale. They think the Dorhai Eldar used a highjacked voidcraft to escape. Ordo Xenos think shape-shifting alians or Dark Eldar used Eldar armor to hide their true appearance, before committing suicide via burning up in Cannae's atmosphere after being ejected from the station. Arbites believe Imperial Assassins have the training, equipment, and chemicals to pull of such an elaborate planfor unknown goals. Thinking the Assassins just threw their armor away before blending into the crowd to flee.

>72 years after the 7th Black Crusade
>One year before the Sarccasion Purge

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>>51658549
>>51668645
>>51670285

>Meatweavers
Meatweavers are thankfully a rare sight on the battlefields of the Imperium. They depart dramatically from the normal humanoid form, constantly remaking themselves into new forms. While they are capable of acting as combat medics, they do so rarely; their true calling is the creation of abominations. They stalk the battlefields of the Black Crusades, collecting the dead and dying of friend and foe alike and remaking them. Skeletons re-articulated, muscles resectioned, flesh ripped apart and put back together into monsters. The exact nature of these things varies, from stipped-down snake-like infiltrator forms to tank-killing amalgamations of hundreds of corpses. Even when they deign to heal, they never leave their 'patient' entirely unchanged.

In direct combat, meatweavers are a relatively modest threat; dangerous in melee but lacking ranged weapons, and generally preferring to avoid direct engagement. What makes them lethal on the battlefield is their ability to recycle the dead into various combat organisms, fast enough to be tactically useful; given more time, and more bodies, a meatweaver can create an army. Clearing a hive which has had a meatweaver cabal squatting in it for several months is a bloody exercise in frustration. Fortunately- and a small comfort it is- they often disregard practicality in their creations. On the rare occasion a meatweaver has been interrogated, they indicate their work is a sort of religious sacrament, an act of creation/rape that brings them closer to their god. As such, strict military usefulness is a secondary consideration; for every murderbeast there's a stationary sculpture, incapable of anything but moaning.

There are indications that meatweavers are themselves creations; that on occasion, a meatweaver will select a particularly 'suitable' individual and remake them into a new meatweaver.

Thoughts? Shifted the emphasis around some.

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>>51685369
Nice, it makes them not redundant to Witch-doctors and still have them sound worst than Haemonculi. Crone Eldar should be deprived even by Dark Eldar standard, the Meatweavers disregarding practicality for A E S T H E T I C shows how obsessed they are of their creation-rape. Meatweavers sound like Grotesques with Ph.D in everything biological and no weapons.

>>51685073
I actually I wrote something about this Nobledark version of the No Russian thing in some previous threads or so:

>https://boards.fireden.net/tg/thread/51441824/#51505051

>https://boards.fireden.net/tg/thread/51441824/#51505148

>https://boards.fireden.net/tg/thread/51441824/#51505176

Sooo... Thoughts then?

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>>51686153
Your news report sounds like a normal thing that should be happening in separatist parts of the Imperium. Massacres and terrorist attack should be the norm for these people by M41. My report is the very first separatist attack to take place after the Apostasy Era. Things should be a slow build up from after Cannae til the separatist on both sides reach a boiling point. The thing is I made the massacre vague enough to leave an open-ended question of "Who attacked Cannae?" It's likely the Imperium will never officially know who the attackers were but the backlash from that attack starts an endless cycle of vengeance. Human worlds pass restrictions on Eldar rights or privileges. Creating unnecessary trouble on some human worlds with governor funded riots to burn Eldar rivalries. Then something stupid like an Imperial world's response to Cannae is to round up all the Eldar to be killed by firing squads. This leads to a Madian world ordering soldiers to shoot human on sight. In M39 should be when the Imperium sees both human and Eldar territories the size of sub-sectors rebel. The separatist wouldn't give a shit about "cruel and unnecessary weapons" and virus bombing or deploying bio-chemical spraying tanks regularly. When these war crimes drown both sides, things quickly get out of hand. This is how by M41 the separatist are a bunch of edgy xenophobic thinking "If we kill them first, they can't kill us later" idiots fearing from the past atrocities. Showing the worst of both sides the once allies devolve to barbaric separatist.

>>51686760
That's way more grimdark than nobledark, and Oscar and Isha would have brought the hammer down before things ever got to that point.

>>51686859
Actually I was trying to make the separatist sound as GrimDark as possible. I mean you can exactly bring the hammer down on "isolated cases" that are unpredictable, Going full Nazi with shoot on sight happens by the M39 where governors refuse to stop, forcing them to use their own military for defense when the imperial Army comes knocking on their door.

>>51686941
you can't exactly*

Rounded up as much of the notes in the old threads as I could get and put them on a separate page.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Notes

Haven't gotten everything I could find transferred yet. The stuff we have on the Necrons and the Silent King for example.

Is this thread being archived?

>>51670039
Who wouldn't want to have a space elf wife?

bump

>>51687475
A vindicare assassin.

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>>51688634
Hormonal Taldeer is Hormonal

>>51687263
It is now.

>>51680987
Inquisitor Jaq Draco confirmed for being the bane of the Ganymede Administratum.

Also Acolyte Kondraki, Agent Strelnikov, Administrator Mann and others. Because humans be fucking crazy and all the elder who know about Ganymede often have trouble sleeping because the stock heap of horrific shit is guarded by gibbering Downs Syndrome chimps.

>>51668926
Or Erebus could have just been a Katholian priest attached to the Word Bearers who had a crisis of faith that Chaos took advantage of. Would have been much of a nobody if else, lived a life of quiet but good duty, would have made friends, helped people, lived and died and been forgotten in 20 years. Like most people.

Would have been better for that. Now he is known across a million worlds across ten thousand years. No his name is very well known and very well hated.

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>>51688634
>>51688788
I still remember that not only is LCB still a thing even in this AU. But someone once saying:

>"No matter what non-canon and fanmade AU stuff Warhammer goes through, love will still always bloom. Even in a scenario where the Eldar are a race of pretty looking insectoid aliens, there'll be a Love Can Bloom; LIVVI will be fucking a Bug-Taldeer. Scenario where the Eldar are reptillians? Lizard-Taldeer and and LIVVI will fall in love and fug as Lizard-Taldeer gives birth to a lizard-daughteru Lofn. AU where the Eldar are an all female race of polymorphic-sentient-rocks-and-gems? You bet LIVVI's gonna stick his cock in Gem-Taldeer."

Not to mention, valentine's is almost upon us.

>>51651542
That is good.

On the one had you have the more senior tech0priests all pissed off slightly that he is held in higher regard but at the same time glad they aren't the subject of attention. On the other hand there is Courtswain who was pretty freaked by the whole thing.

Considering that he is the youngest of those that know he's only just gotten over the shock of learning that the Omnissiah is also the Mars Creed's Satan equivalent.

So now he is, in his own opinion, the Prophet of Satan.

He only even got the job because the men in the better grade of robes wanted someone expendable to prod the Dragon.

It wouldn't be so bad but he can't even reliably tell when and/or if the Dragon is being serious and when it is taking the piss.

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>>51685369
I like it.

It's like a mentally ill and dangerous Discworld Igor.

I'm going to suggest that in this AU Doombreed is not Genghis Khan.

He could be the Last Despot of Ursh reborn in the warp. Khorne fucking loved his antics in life and would see them for all eternity.

Doombreed just wants to cut Oscar's head off and set up Galactic Ursh.

>>51688788
A problem i can see from that list is this.

Dr. Bright had the ability of consciousness transfer (or was some dis embodied consciousness that was on the SCP payroll). Thats how half the shit he pulled worked.

For the list to be applicable to any Inquisitor they would also have to have that ability.

We don't want to put too many gimmicks into one Inquisitor. Jaq Draco is already as mad as a hatter and is the only human (Ahriman no longer counts as human) that can reliably navigate the webway. Not even Emperor Oscar can do that.

My suggestion, unless someone comes up with something less dumb, is for Mr Bright of Ganymede to be the result of a psychic Inquisitor possessing a dude and then getting his own body shot whilst he was out. He has so far managed to retain integrity and spends his days hopping from one body to the next.

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>>51692548
Also the Hand of Darkness is apparently in the vaults too and not taken by Chaos during the 12th Black Crusade.

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>>51691686
Oh my, I like this. I had been bouncing around the idea of what would happen if Jaghatai ever ran into his great-great grandfather, but this is even better (and my idea sounded kind of stupid even in my head). Last Despot of Ursh was far more of a bloodthirsty manaic than Genghis Khan ever was, and would be much higher on Khorne's favorite list.

>>51688788
>>51692548
>>51693335

I would recommend is that there isn't a 1:1 correspondence between the Ganymede managers and the SCP heads. Have the heads of the Ganymede installation be as mad as a hatter sure, but not direct copypasta.

It's like what was said in the previous thread (or was it two threads ago). References to other works should first and foremost be able to stand on their own in this universe without being seen as references for the sake of references. When someone reads this, their first thought should be "that makes sense in this universe" and only later should they realize "hey wait a minute, this is an X reference".

>>51693471
>When someone reads this, their first thought should be "that makes sense in this universe" and only later should they realize "hey wait a minute, this is an X reference".
Exactly, otherwise you're going to see analogs to cringy Rogue Trader Era OCs like Inquisitor Obi-Wan Sherlock Closseau.

References should be oblique homages, not just expys or straight ports.

>>51693775
[sweating internally] I hope people don't read my story titles and say "Hey this is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure" or "This is literally Full Metal Jacket".
Sure, that can be said but it's only partly true.

>>51693962
A little obsfucation goes a long way. Like the Heliomancy versus Ripple thing. Heliomancy sounds like a psyker school, given we have things like Biomancy in vanilla 40k. Ripple the first thing everyone things of is JJBA.

And of course there are always going to be references in some capacity. Half of the high concept of vanilla Warhammer is real-life historical events being referred to in the same fashion.

>>51680987
that made me imagine the foundation trying to mess with or capture Oscar, and how badly that would go for them.

This guy >>51687086 here. Got more of the notes dump uploaded to 1d4chan. Still missing some stuff like the Illuminati, Cthonia and the Imperium's repeated plans to try and renovate it, notes we have on Oscar and Isha's personality and relationship, etc. But I think I got a big chunk.

this would be very highly secret in universe, but I've been thinking about how the illuminati fit into the imperium as an organization. One of our versions holds that they're just the handful of major players with enough knowledge and context to know that Oscar is a Man of Gold, and what that really means. As such they are all pretty varied, each member of the illuminati commanding their own resources whatever they be, and cooperating with other illuminated notables that they see eye to eye with. Their membership is full of Inquisitors lords, techpriest magos, farseers, administratum directors, etc. Their junior member, a pro-reform Ethereal, is the first of their ilk to truly grasp the meaning of "the old empire" Imperials keep talking about (a concept that actually refers to both the former eldar and human empires), and his goals are mostly about widening the Tau's understanding of the galaxy. The Illuminati are loyal to the imperium, but prone to intrigue, and are essentially a secret club for powerful, paranoid gossips, bound together by secret knowledge that they really will never act on. While some extremist techpriest may always push to try to reprogram Oscar, or some Inquisitor will pick up the Cthonian reconstruction project as a cover for reactivating the facility, the majority are high ranking history and technology buffs that wax academic about the Emperor's nature and huff at each other when they disagree.
Their ranks do not include any Custodes, to whom the "golden truth" is banal, nor other military orders like the Grey Knights, informed of Oscar's nature as part of their duty. High command of the imperial army and navy, and several chapter masters, also possess this knowledge, but it plays no major part in their internal politics, and the intrigues of the illuminati (which they view as a social club) are distinctly separate from theirs. The works of Imperial high military command and the illuminati often share manpower, even overlap.

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>>51694720
(cont)
The Imperial Court, a political entity in its own right, is often the central playground of the illuminati, and their preference to work through courtiers and ceremonial visits blur their activities into the everyday features of noble life. The direction of Imperial projects and information for their aims is achieved through subtlety, manipulation, and suggestion, or it may be that Oscar humors them, and greenlights their projects when they might actually be useful. He presides over the court with his characteristically princely disinterested authoritarianism, but is no pushover when it comes to the finer points of policy or planning.
The whole of this is pervaded by the heads of the hydra, as the Alpha legion monitors and controls the delicate situation of ancient conspiracies and secret organizations in a multi-millennia old empire. In such a capacity it seems both a wholly independent organization, beyond even Oscar's direct command (though their loyalty to the Imperium is without question), and at times his personal secret force, striking as he wishes and circumventing the massive Imperial bureaucracy. There is greater crossover between the Alpha legion and the Custodes than with the Illuminati, and S pattern Astartes are not unusual in their ranks.

>>51683036
>>51687086
Forces of the Imperium moved to new page.
Working on Notable People, but the drafts page should be a more reasonable size now

>>51693471
>>51693775
>>51693962
Did any of you read my write up on the APEX twins and go "Hey, this is the vampire twins from Black Lagoon? And Rum And Pour is Roanapur from the same damn thing?"
Because if not, that's a good example of how to write in a reference.
Hell, Colonel-Seer Rommel is an Eldar male-expy of a few characters from GuP mixed with Keith Laumer's BOLO and a bit of Macross 7 (Because the Laws of Dramatic Fate says he needs a soundtrack, in-universe).
He's probably a bad example.

>>51687086
>>51694556
Holy shit, whoever went through the old threads and summarized the all the random bullshit there, you the real real MVP anon.

>>51687086
>>51694556
Damn but that's some fine work. My hat off to you.

>>51693471
>>51693775
>>51695441
If we're going to throw in the scippers but try and keep it lowkey, I honestly think Clef'd fit best in-setting. Discarding all the stuff about ambiguously being satan:
>Originally had reality-bending psyker abilities
>Taken by one group (probably on home planet) who weaponised the shit out of him
>Inquisition steps in because "hey you shouldn't do that" and, instead of exterminatusing them, actually decides to try and use him
>Being unable to wipe the conditioning that's already there, so having to brainwash him over the top to get him to function
>Shenanigans ensue
I'm sorry I just really like Classical Revival okay

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>>51695441
I was going to say the APEX twins were a better example of referencing than Rommel.
In my Full Lasbolt Jacket story, there was 1 Disney villain, 2 naming, and 3 Vietnam Era songs references. The title is an obvious reference to Full Metal Jacket but the plot is nothing alike, it's just to set the mood or expectations for the setting. There is only actually 2 references to the film as I tried to avoid copying anything.

>>51695732
Makes sense. Jaq Draco in canon is supposed to be a crazy powerful psyker. His assignment to Ganymede is as much to keep the crazy bastard in one place as much as his actual administrative skill.

I couldn't find a good naming structure for the Eldar (because of course GW ignores that), and created my own for Nymeara.
Amdavar Rommel clainn Faenys-Elban, khe Oinides o Mymeara, nen Armar i Yllara clainn Caenrio-Fanbas.
translation: Amdavar Rommel, of the family Faenys-Elban, of Oinidas from Mymeara, child of Armar of the family Faenys-Elban and Yllara of the family Caenrio-Fanbas.
Now that's a business card!

>>51695732
Inquisutor Heronimous Treble, one of the presiding specialists on Ganymede, might have been a later day Magnus the red. His early life is full of redactions, even the enshrined ceremonial files in his office are a rainbow of official censor strokes, swaths of his history gone beneath bars of Administratum black, Thousand Sons maroon, Inquisitorial ash-grey, and the gilded ink of the Emperor's own office. He is an alpha plus psyker, and at his most whistful he recalls something of a modest childhood, upon some unremarkable civil world. It is known that before the he could ever board a one of the black ships of the schola he was taken into the service of an independent military order, answering to naught but themselves in a war upon the dubious powers. It has been posited, even by Lord Treble, that these were Daemon Breakers splintered off Ahriman's band, but their handywork bares little resemblance to the famed hollow man's preferred methods. In any case, the young psyker was made into a devestating front line combatant and potent crusher of sorcerous foes, at the expense of the healthy development of his mind and psychic nature. When the Imperium disbanded his master's order he was found, and his condition caught the notice of the Schola Rhetor and Thousand sons, eager and curious at the prospect of re-educating a might psyker. In the end, Heronimous Treble became a significant, if somewhat fractured, asset to the imperium. Still, he is kept close to sol and the heart of the psychic community, and is not held to be entirely trustworthy, not from disloyalty but from an odd sense of ambition. In his long obscure life he has taken pleasure in building a mistique of inhuman manners and powers beyond those of a psyker, though this has in most cases been without consequence. He was at one point accosted by a colleague, whom he over the course of months had toyed with in allusions to intimate knowledge of the Shah-Dome.

>>51693368
If it is the case that the Last Despot of Ursh (do we need a name for him?) was raised after death to war eternal then it's highly probable that he was made manifest at some point when some of the Primarchs were still alive and fighting fit.

Of the Primarchs the ones that would be most interested in him and he in them would be those once his subjects; Khan who stabbed him in the back, Corax who kicked him in the balls and Magnus who set his uncle on fire.

But it is a big galaxy so it's not probable that they should run into each other you are thinking. Oh no, no, no my friend. The gods of Chaos are involved, it's a certainty.

So at some point in early Imperial history The Despot rose from the grave as Doombreed to make war upon the living, get even and supplant Imperium with Ursh reborn.

If he decided to try and go after Magnus shit would not have gone well. Steeped in deamon lore he might actually have been less dangerous to Magnus than he was as a mortal.

>>51698050
I'd say Alpha Plus status is pushing it a bit too far.

The Apex Twins were described in the reports last thread as being A+ and previously believed for a human to be only theoretical.

Beta level psykers are still city/nation killers if left to go feral.

>>51698072
I think that would be a good later arc for magnus's story. As a primarch he is the mighty wizard and hero of knowledge, later in his life he's the archmage that is grandfather of the imperium's psychic institutions. To have the old ultimate foe of his youth, defined by a conflict between mystic knowing-power and despotic tyranny, reappear as a huge snarling daemon of tyrannical conquest as he strides forth in the great crusade, empowered and embraced by noble civilization, seems like a fitting adventure for him. Finally, when Magnus is old, venerable, and tired, Goge Vandire brings the age of apostasy and it seems as if the imperium will rot to despotism, Doombreed again returns, immortal bloody tyranny given shape. He expects to crush aged Magnus, and either possess Vandire or simply replace him, and rekindle the red flames of Ursh. Magnus and his foremost students confront him and do battle at terrible cost, and this psyker shadow war around sol produces the historically important warp storms. Magnus and his students succeed, and he lives to see Oscar take the throne, believing it an ultimate affirmation of the despot's final fall.

>>51698159
I was trying to preserve the total reality warper side, feel free to adjust power levels

>>51698050
>>51698159
In canon, the classifications are wildly inconsistent (due to shitty writing), but I think the consensus is that only demigod tier characters are Alpha+, like Emps, Magnus, and maybe Malcador if we go by his "hiding a moon in the Warp feat." Even heavy hitters like Eldrad and Mephiston are probably only Alphas.

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>>51698413
That is fucking sweet.

The conflict could have been too much for tired old Magnus. It didn't kill him outright but holy shit was he tired and worn out afterwards. It is already stated that he only barely lived to see his old friend crowned.

Oscar and Magnus met in the thatched hall of Thengir the Cripple. The last time they saw each other it felt much the same, almost like that time was happening again or had in some way never stopped happening. The hall was not thatched and the people were better dressed (and knew how to use a knife and fork) but all Magnus could see was that he had gone a long way for a long time and come all the way home again. He had come full circle.

Puts affairs in order, writes a few letters and one morning just doesn't wake up.

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>>51698413
>historically important watp storms
Oh shit, that's what made Imperial Wreath (I think that was the name) to destroy the Imperial fleet sent to crush Inquisitor Thor. That is also why both Isha and Oscar denied any involvement in making that warp storm.

>>51698454
Again, my little write up calls him a later day Magnus, so it could work. It would be interesting, and lend Ganymede some serious weight. If the imperium's spare super-psyker, the best to arise since the cyclops, is stationed in the vault-moon and bends his power to the busy task of containment of the Galaxy's craziest shit, then that really says something.

Another thought. Regardless of rarity, A+ Psykers are naturally occurring, and between juveants and a galactic empire even they should pop up occasionally and stick around as long as possible. Recall, Magnus and Malcador were born in the same century, in roughly the same region. Sure Old Earth is so full of DAoT relics and ruins that there could be an Iron Mind swimming in the mantle giving superpowers to its favorite planet's meat, but in all likelihood super-psykers just crop up from time to time.

>>51698072
We need a name for him. There was a Despot of Ursh named Kalagann in canon, but I was doing a write-up of Ursh and using Kalagann as Ursh's founder and first Despot (the Last Church describes Kalagann as the kind of guy who would found a nation like Ursh, but not yet as crazy as the last Despot).

>Of the Primarchs the ones that would be most interested in him and he in them would be those once his subjects; Khan who stabbed him in the back, Corax who kicked him in the balls and Magnus who set his uncle on fire.

You're forgetting one other primarch, the one who was the guy who finally brought the Despot down and may have been the one who ended up swinging the sword at his execution: Lorgar.

>>51698413
How about this? During the Great Crusade or the War of the Beast the Despot rose from the grave as Doombreed to get revenge upon the primarchs who were his downfall as part of his general make war with the living schtick. Doombreed manages to isolate the primarchs from their legions and you get a four-way tag-team match between Lorgar, Magnus, Khan, and Corax who just barely managed to take the guy down despite Magnus' daemon knowledge and Lorgar being a walking daemon bane.

Seven millennia later in the wake of the Age of Apostasy Doombreed returns to fuck shit up. Venerable old Magnus goes to face him with his Grey Knights, and Doombreed taunts him that his friends aren't here to help him this time. Magnus says he knows, but he's facing Doombreed anyway because it's the right thing to do.

I love this idea for the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath.

"Didn't I kill you already?"
- Magnus, upon seeing the return of Doombreed

>>51698413
>>51698606
>>51698662
>>51698822

Just realized something. Technically, the Last Despot of Ursh is Magnus' half brother. Doombreed could make some kind of smart-assed remark about that only for Magnus to reply that his brothers are the ones standing alongside him (especially given that he had good relationships with the Khan and Lorgar) and hits Doombreed with a blast of Cleansing Flame.

>>51698454
>>51698706
A+ Psykers are rare to the Eldar, being figures of legend (and possibly the initial minds that helped form their gods). They, with two exceptions, do not exist among the human population, which can barely produce Alpha level psykers.
Alpha level, in terms of power and natural ability, puts you in the realm of most Farseers. Combined. AS in, takes forty or fifty high-power, high-skill, experienced farseers to take you down. That kind of force can rip a planet apart as a side-effect of taking down down a rogue Alpha psyker. Alpha psykers are also born psykers, meaning most don't even survive gestation. Those who do, are usually insane.
Alpha Plus starts off with at least twice that, and can rip apart a few planets as a side effect of using their powers to pick their nose. They eat daemons, while in the womb, and are insane. The fact that Hansel and Gretel APEX have only torn two planets apart (those planets deserved it, and the twins were very sorry afterwards) is a testament to their upbringing. They know they disappointed mommy Sabine, but if they destroy planets Mommy will have to let The Emperor take over, and they know that He doesn't like them very much.

>>51699104
What they don't know is that he won't even bother, and just send the little shits to their mother for a scolding. That's not to say they get sent to Sabine. Thence forth they would be put in the nurturing care of the great Matron, and would be taught proper manners.

>>51698822
I don't know if the first showdown with the 4 four primarchs would turn out in favor of the good guys. Keeping in mind that 3 of the 4 are unaugmented, Khan would have to do all the physical fighting while Magnus shoots lightning bolts and what not, meaning Lorgar and Corax are cheerleading on the sidelines. Sure, the two of them are probably trained to peak human (so around Catachan level maybe) but against a high level Daemon Prince they would be a non-factor. Even with Magnus' warp knowledge, Doombreed is one of those guys that you really need at least a squad or two of Grey Knights to handle assuming he's isolated and doesn't have any minions with him. Maybe the four primarchs hold out long enough for reinforcements to arrive?

There's also the minor, secondary question of what would be so important that 4 primarchs would assemble in one place during the WotB when there are a thousand fronts that need their attention and only 18 guys to handle them all.

>>51701113
>what would be so important that 4 primarchs would assemble in one place during the WotB
Doombreed, obviously.

>>51700428
By the way, I need help coming up with the three prophecies for them.They are mutually exclusive, and my initial ideas fall into "Happy psycho child weapons of the Imperium", "Happy psycho child weapons of Chaos", and "One for each side". Or a "Somehow, relatively normal" prophecy. May or may not be natural Ansible Twins.
I'm not sure they would get sent to Jubblowski, and Sabine hasn't caught them yet - despite it being 101 years of them being on the loose. The Emperor and Empress have stated that if necessary (if they really break the rules of acceptable targets and overkill, instead of skirting them by using weapons to murder unacceptable targets with overkill), they will step in, and use whatever means are necessary.

>>51701260
But this is the WotB though, there are probably like a dozen big bads tearing shit up, including the Beast himself.

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>>51698822
Talking about the the Apostasy Era, is it still considered fanon that Thor threatened to kill everybody unless they negotiate a deal in the Battle of the Palace. I just like to imagine an Inquisitor holding grenades and saying "Ceasefire or else I will blow up everything in this hallway". When fighting against Vandire's bodyguards.

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>>51701355
I doubt there would be 4 Primarchs all on one planet during a galactic war. Just cutting it down to Russ and Magnus will do if they had the help of hundreds of Space Marines, which they should have since they will be traveling with thousands of them under their direct command. Once Magnus face Doombreed again, he would be an A psyker with insane levels of anti-daemon magic along accompanied by Grey Knights won't need the help of another Primarch. The pure physically draining 2nd fight would finally kill Magnus a few months later.

>>51701617
Khan not Russ

>>51701113
>>51701260
>>51701617

Regrouping and falling back to reinforce Terra as things go FUBAR. Magnus and Lorgar were both at Terra by the Battle of Terra, Khan's exploits are unmentioned, though Corax was not there.

Also keep in mind that this confrontation could have been intentionally engineered by Doombreed or the big blue bird specifically for the satisfaction of wiping out all four of them in one bloody go in revenge, as befits a Khornate daemon prince.

The other issue is that Doombreed might have instead tried to track them down one by one if he couldn't get them in one place, which would have wrecked Corax at the least because of Corax's manpower issues.

Lorgar and Corax did have some augmentation, but not even to Thunder Warrior level. Lorgar, though, was a latent psyker who made daemons' ears bleed just by sheer faith alone and Corax was a master of hit and run tactics. Khan isn't even that much of a brawler compared to some of the other primarchs, and he sure isn't a "take on Ka'Banda and win" Mark III S Astartes like Sangy or Vulkan. I can see the benefit of "we survived until the cavalry showed up" as opposed to "we beat Doombreed ourselves".

>>51683943
>>51685073
>human civilians make better targets
>eldar civilians too hard!

No I don't think so? Because when you target eldar cvilians, you're targeting civilians. I get thats the point with terrorism: target weak people to get your message across.

But what threat is some eldar basket weaver civilian gonna pose when you're some edgy terrorist gunning down people with an automatic weapon?

>>51701113
It could be in the great crusade, shortly before the War of The Beast. Since Khorne sees himself as head of the coalition of chaos that's being built up in the eye and immaterium, he sends out Doombreed in full regalia, the finest blood and skulls available. He was to go forth and anounce the primacy of Khorne, then Malys the fourfold chosen, then the triumvirate of the lesser gods of chaos (Khorne's own designation for them), and (uncharacteristicly for Khorne) anounce that quarter would be granted to all those that suplicate themselves to the Blood God and his confederates. Doombreed's orders were to feign esoteric incomprehensibility, and portray itself as a strong, masterless daemon of the hinterlands sent as a messenger, and leave through the chaos held webway with a small Shah-Dome built fleet. He was to take this fleet before the greatest audience he might gain, fortress worlds, forges, hives, even fleets of the crusade if possible, give Khorne's proclamation, and unless everyone bends to the Blood God then and there, burn them all.

Alongside him, a legion of Scions of the Old Helm, Khorne's elite military cult of pre-fall Eldar warriors and commanders turned to him in its wake. These guys put the usual crone heavies to shame, and even before Khorne made them his they were the eldar technology equivalent of Astartes. He also brought lots of wraithbone daemon engines and other horrors, and even a few old Urshian bio weapons and a horrible khornate reincarnated Urshian battalion, recreated by his liege as a gift for Doombreed's primer in the great game.

He cajoles the Tzeentchian Eldar knower of ways in his command to bring them out of the tattered chaos web routes near where the four most personally concerned primarchs are busy preparing to dismantle an Ursh style, barely suppressed chaos worship, despotism that had managed to become a subsystem sized space empire, made even worse by economies of scale.

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>>51701937
When I wrote the Cannae Bloodbath, the terrorist probably did gun down some Eldar traders on the station with no problem. The overwhelming majority of killed were still humans. The ability to not even spill your own blood while fighting PDF and Arbites might be a hint at military training or better from these terrorists. At least for Cannae's attackers, they were more than a bunch of edgy kids slaughtering more than a hundred armed and unarmed people. The level of strength those attackers had was about Scion or Sister type rather than a few human teens. They went there to force a reaction from the Imperium and leave no evidence. Just to make sure no trace could be left to track down the origins of the attackers, they would have only talked local Low Gothic during the attack. Unless they could see the future, the attackers organized the whole thing down to the minute and they must have planned it for about a year.

>>51701382
Well, he was aided by the former CO of the Brides of The Emperor, had the phrase "The Emperor is on my side, check with the Astropaths", and "26 Marines deepstriked with nuclear warheads 15 seconds ago. I will give the order if you give me a reason to."
Thor was balls to the wall hardcore, and founded the Ordo Securitas.

>>51702252
Doombreed and his forces quickly circumvent the empire space defenses, let's call them the Rapacian dominion, and announce themselves as heralds of The Gods. In days Doombreed then makes himself porophet-king of Rapacia, gets his Urshian despot on by tormenting the former Grand-Dominator of the dominion and forcing him to act as his courtier as per Urshian tradition, and starts concecrating the realm to Khorne from the capital world out.
The four slayers of bad old Ursh are still strategizing over the situation and making exploratory ventures, deciding how to effectively dismantle a society of that sort already spread to the stars, and without any alien contact. They recognize the similarity to the unification war, but so far think little of it, particularly it being a planetary campaign as opposed to an interstellar one. They are prepared to rely on the superiority of their ships and void born crews, their soldiers veteran to void/surface warfare, and the backing of the goodly Imperium, as personified in their four mighty legions. Their initial expeditionary forces do well, their Astartes carve away the Rapacian colonies and their capture more ships intact than they scatter to the void. As the imperium and its falling star Astartes, it's monumental ships, it's good hearted generals, are on the lips of every world they take, just as there are wary rebels and revolutionaries unsure of their mighty saviors' sharply uniformed and orderly soldiers, Khan, Lorgar, and Corax were distinctly reminde of their first encounters with the Steward.
They made little headway before the flagging might of the Rapacian Dominion's hungry, stubber slinging grunts and half derelict fleet gave way, first to armored khornate fanatics from the local lords' retainers, possessed soldiers, and mounting forces of lesser summoned deamons. In this new terror, mounting as they pressed further to the hegemony's heart, the primarchs spearheaded the invasion.

>>51702703
Cannae was Great Civil War/Age of Apostasy, right?
I had fluffed out that during that time the Confederation of Light/Church of The Saviour Emperor conflict was heating up out of the shadows for the first time since the late M33's, and Vandire was on the side of the CSE... It wouldn't be unreasonable that the CSE siphoned Imperial funds and resources to provide the best possible forces to secessionists and xenophobes, who were mostly funded by the CSE. It didn't help that many sections of the COL were funded by Biel-tan extremists, who pushed for similar strikes against CSE strongholds, and Dorhai was funding their own Eldar secessionists.
Civil War was a flashpoint era, and it showed just how many potential fracture lines crisscrossed the Imperium.

>>51701883
I think this makes sense. The imperium is on the ropes, and Chaos is looking for a decisive bow to weaken them as they close in on Terra so removing 4 primarchs would be perfect. For the Imperium, just when they think things can't get any worse, BAM, it's their old buddy the Despot of Ursh back as a super hardcore daemon prince.

>>51695441
I am >>51693775
and I have to say that I'm just giving you guys generalized advice, because I don't know SCP or anime.

Your references may be fresh to me but that doesn't mean that they are good either.

I've never watched Black Lagoon, but it was obvious that the twin story was following a story beat closely, and that it was clashing a bit.

I'd recommend differentiating it further and not just with detail, but the bones of the story. Be less of a slave to the outline, spend some time on something you invent to be part of the setting.

>>51702957
Details I pulled for the Twins were:
First names
Hair color
clothing color
weapons
psycho

>>51702904
Not up to date on the religion section, if they're throwing in with Vandire, I dread to think how something called church of the savior emperor fared when Oscar took the throne.
>>51698050
This made me remember no. 505 (I think) which is some being you can't think about. With effort you can think about what it isn't, but even then it's difficult not to forget there's anything being talked about at all. It's scary feature is that it's there, in a concrete box, with specific containment instructions, but it's nature of not being conceivable in any positive sense keep any detail about how it got there or why the listed procedures contain it from being precieved, noting that for all they knew it appeared of its own accord and could easily come and go as it pleases.

This sounds very much like the presumed deamon prince of Malal on Ganymede.
Something that was not anything, and was in fact nothing, didn't arrive on Ganymede. Nothing arrived on Ganymede, and it made no sounds until the door was opened. Nothing came inside, nobody went down the long hall of vaults, and no one sat down in the antechamber, where nobody found themselves comfortable. Nobody does nothing on Ganymede, but everybody is busy there, nobody feels safe on Ganymede, but everybody is worried there. Ganymede is an important place, nobody can just sit around in the antechamber doing a whole lot nothing all day. Once somebody very important met with nobody in particular. They talked about is and isn't, and when they were done sombody put on a hat of gold, and nobody put on nothing.

>>51702904
See
>>51685073
This could just be the Shadow Wars (I think that's a cool name) flaring up again long after the Imperial Civil War. Worst, it might not be related to it at all.

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>>51703234
>Church of the Savior Emperor
Who do you think call Vandire God-Emperor? The reason why a character called Vandire a God-Emperor is because that is his self-declared title, that some people worshipped him. One might call it some sort of cult based on his personality. That's why in Search and Destroy the Guardsmen don't like calling Vandire by that ridiculous name.

>>51702252
>>51702852
>>51702939
I've been writing up a battle outline for them fighting in the opening shots of the WotB, where Khorne, from his parody of honor, sends Doombreed and a band of khornate crone heavies to deliver his declaration of war upon the imperium and galaxy at large, but mostly to brag that he's the big boss of the warp. Doombreed singles out the primarch foes of earth as they go about dismantling an age of strife space tyrrany. He takes over, draws the primarchs in for a confrontation, makes Khorne's declaration as prime God of the Galaxy, and forces them into a ground engagement they deep strike into. On the planet he built some horrible mix between Khornate temple and Urshian Ziggurat palace, tries to fuck with their heads with his return, and a massive fight ensues. They defeat him, and run down his forces, but are all pretty unsettled by the experience. It's taken just to be some horrible spite move against the imperium by chaos, or even some kind of propaganda campaign and report it all to terra, but there's hardly time to interpret Khorne's boast before the beast is ramming through world's.

>>51703367
I'd guessed it was more like the church of the throne theif, deifying whomever was emperor upon the throne, assuming they meet the deific standard.

>>51699071
I don't think that it's been stated anywhere that Despot and Magnus were related. Especially not being half siblings.

Maggie's parents were a highly powerful psychic and a Navigator.

>>51703367
I wrote up a section of it for the Sororitas history: the CSE had a religious revolution that put a variant cult in charge of their katholian-style power structure. It held that Oscar was an unworthy vessel for the mantle of the God-Emperor, and that a new vessel had to be prepared. The Voice of The God-Emperor (head of the CSE) focused his efforts on Vandire, playing to his growing paranoia that he was just a figurehead Emperor and promising him that he would be Emperor in fact as well as name.
And that's why Vandire did declare himself God-Emperor, and made the CSE legal. He also legalized their conflict with the COL that started after the founding of both in the era following the WotB. The COL did survive the Civil War, as they had a loosed structure, and they didn't start the Imperial Cult Wars - also, Thor's variant of the faith was technically legal, and was very polite about the entire "Oscar doesn't want us to worship him" issue.
The CSE barely survived, and went even deeper into extremism.

>>51703509
Ah, the Seat Stealer heresy of the Katholian and Yechudite faiths (Oscar is not our prophet! And he brought us a false promised land! He must be punished!), and the counter: The Church Of The Seat Warmer (one day, sometime in the future, there might be a guy or gal who, might, lead us to the, entirely possible, promised land. Maybe. But until then, Oscar does a pretty good job keeping their seat warm). They sent him a self-heating seat cushion and a fake villainous mustache. Also, once a century, in an elaborate ceremony that takes five minutes, present him with a very comfy chair. Oscar has the look of surprise at the inevitable whoopie cushion to a level of perfection.
Sorry, looks like I've written most of the religious fluff so far, especially for the weird religions and religious conflicts.

>>51698822
Kalagann could be the founder of Ursh back 500+ years ago. At the time Ursh was the hope of Earth, the regrowth of real civilization. Earth at the time of Ursh's founding was pocket kingdoms, tribal lands and city states, it was Ursh that rekindled the ideals of real nations.

It's rise was a herald and an omen that the AoS was coming to an end and things would soon be looking up.

Then it all went to shit and it's leaders fell to Chaos. Centuries later Oscar land on Earth and treats it like a cautionary tale.

>>51698822
>"Didn't I kill you already?"
>- Magnus, upon seeing the return of Doombreed

The last thing said by Magnus to Doombreed on the last battle they would have should be something on the line of

"You don't fucking learn, do you?"
- Magnus, upon seeing the return of Doombreed

Can orks get the Oblitorator Virus?

Are there any details on the Steward and Eldrad rescuing Isha?

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>>51707725
Only if the Orks with the virus believe they have the virus actually effect them. Even a dead Ork arm leaves a powerful psyker belief field to force a stubber without internal parts to work.

>>51707804
Not much beyond less people coming out of the portal than went in and all survivors having an "I've seen some shit" expression.

A number of the Primarchs went in, the ones that were best at hit and run tactics and running really fast.

Aspect warriors who either were or would become known as the Phoenix Lords.

Bjorn the Fellhanded of Red Kraken Bay was one of the people that went in.

At least one Harlequin or an elder that would become a Harlequin later in life (he turns up at the Fang every 50 years or so to take Bjorn on another adventure and annoy Ulfrik).

Psykers from both humanity and eldar were present keeping the door open. Malcador and Eldrad were stated to have lent their strength to this. Presumably Magnus also.

Isha was made physically manifest for a brief instant when they remerged for the first time since the eldar gods first warred upon each other millions of years ago.

>>51701937
Every Eldar citizen of age literally has military training. That's what Guardians are in canon. Everyone is expected to be able to pick up a weapon and fight if needed to. Eldar who actually want to fight are all on the Path of the Warrior (Aspect Warriors).

In this canon, I'd imagine it's more like mandated military service. Every Eldar is expected to give like 40-50 years or so in service in the army if they're not already an Aspect Warrior. For humans with no access to rejuvenant it would a lifetime, for Eldar it's an eyeblink. Much like 40k in canon, there are a lot of places in the galaxy where things aren't shit, so your deployment can be as bad as being sent to Armageddon or as cushy as acting like an overglorified security guard on some important military installation for 50 years. The survival rate is so high that it's almost a non-issue unless a Black Crusade is on.

>>51703624
Whoops, you're right. I derped. I thought Mags had been born when Ganzorig forced hinself on Ada. Also Ursh doesn't seem to practice direct succession, so there's that.

>>51707916
>At least one Harlequin or an elder that would become a Harlequin later in life (he turns up at the Fang every 50 years or so to take Bjorn on another adventure and annoy Ulfrik).

I thought it was whoever was in charge of Saim-Hann?

>>51708298
That was who got beaten in a drinking contest by Russ.

>>51705759
The sad thing is that out of all the pre-Unification nations of Old Earth, Ursh is by far the one that is most remembered. The primarchs probably knew full well that many countries had come before theirs, and labored to preserve all the knowledge they could on their country's history and customs in the wake of the War of the Beast, so their people would not be forgotten. In spite of the ten thousand years of cultural continuity, they failed. It would be like thousands of years from now, long after the knowledge that countries like the United States, Great Britain, France, Russia, Australia had ever existed had become little more than historical trivia, that someone on the space-Internet is still using Hitler as an argument.

This is true even in vanilla. Ursh was still well known well into the Great Crusade era due to the historical publication the Chronicles of Ursh, and the PPE was known as late as M41, whereas the other nations were like "literally who"?

>>51708477
I guess in the end, it's not Dark Gods and daemons, Orkish hordes, Necron Star Empires, or even tyranid swarms that end up destroying you. It's just time. Simple space and time, and the uncaring nature of the universe. It's the ultimate in existential horrors. Everything one achieves, no matter if you are a god, will eventually be ground to dust given enough time.

I am Ozymandias, king of kings. Look upon my works ye mighty, and despair.

>>51708477
Ursh is best remembered in the galactic midlands, the Imperial worlds too far from Old Earth to actually know Earth's history without a degree, but close enough that legends of the primarchs are pretty popular. Still, the legends that get told alot are the ones about king Oscar and his primarchs fighting heroic battles against the old chaos king and his Habnervars (local low gothic dialect, some kind of horrible monster) or how cap'n Horus took so long tricking the chaos gods over and over that he was almost late to fight the great grot. Sure, the old story teller could regale you with the tale of how Guilliman went to school for a long time and got married to a nice lady, all of this in franj, or he could make some shit up off the top of his head about what fulgrim found in the rockies, but nobody ever asks.

>>51702852
>>51703369

Keep in mind we have to get Lorgar and Magnus back to Old Earth in time for the Siege of Terra. Lorgar was said to be there in person and Magnus played an important role in the siege keeping sappers out. In fact, this would be a good way to actually get them there.

The four realize that all this was a sideshow and if this is what the Ruinous Powers can do as a sideshow, imagine what's heading for Old Earth. Corax notices something is funky with the Raven Guard who are with him and heads off to make sure the rest of his legion is okay. Mags, Lorgar, and Khan let him go with their blessing, as in their minds he already helped a ton with the Doombreed situation and a half-functioning legion is better than a completely broken one.

The remaining three then high-tail it to Old Earth.

>>51708829
It could have been a tactical miscalculation on the part of Chaos to set Doombreed on the Primarchs so soon. A man from all of their pasts from the old world turn up and they know something very big is happening.

Of course the control the Chaos Eldar had over Doombreed was probably pretty tenuous. Doombreed probably just wanted to get even and to hell with the consequences.

>>51709057
It was a tactical miscalculation by Khorne to send an emissary to boast on his behalf, it was a straight up bad decision to send Doombreed. But that's Khorne, bold, violent and "honorable".

Page 9 bump.
How many Primarchs wrote down their experiences with their nations?

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>>51710774
Most of the Primarchs left some writing behind but here are the ones I can imagine writing about their nations as they were raised in them for posterity.

Horus would have had a living chronicle, as he was king of an interstellar if somewhat transitory nation.

Russ would not have written anything down, although others in his employ would have.

Iron Hands would probably not have as he saw all Mechanicus and as the Mechanicus is perfect and enduring and already drowning in data there was no need to.

Fulgrim had a big fucking ego and so would have had an auto-biography, possibly it would have had enough about Merika to count.

Vulkan must have written something down or at least left enough references to his life in the Afrique League in his tomes on philosophy and theology. He lived to be the second oldest and spent his last centuries as a scholar-king.

Dorn probably not beyond what he would have mentioned in his tactical notes. The nature of the Calbi military of that era would be remembered if nothing else.

Guilliman I imagine so as testament to the great and noble House Guilliman and also as a point of pride that much of his nations administrative structure was copy/pasted into the Imperium.

Magnus the Red probably not. As far as he was concerned he had no home nation, just jailers.

Jonson was too freakishly focused on his job, due to being in the shallow end of the autism spectrum, to give much of a shit about his nation as a whole. Maybe Luthar could have preserved more of that old history of the day to day living of that era if he hadn't lost his fucking mind.

Perty probably not either due to a mess of other mental issues. He would see it as one more way he failed his people.

Morty would not. He would not sully the name of Gredbritton by associating himself with it too hard.

Lorgar was a priestly man, but a Chaplain-Priamrch. A warrior priest. Archbishop Phaeron probably wrote more on that sort of thing than Fr Aurelian.

>>51710980
The Khan I can imagine writing much poetry about his life in earlier times and how much better it got when he gave the Despot the two finger salute. He would write poetry about the simpler lives of his people to remind him why he does what he does. But The Khan never got the hand of High Gothic so it will be in some sort of Mongolian.

Curze probably not. He would not want to dredge that shit back up.

Angron even more probably not. Nord Afrika was a shit hole. It getting invaded and subjugated by the Imperium was the best thing that could have happened. If it gets so far forgotten that it becomes as if it never even was so much the better.

Corax did not have a happy time before the Imperium. I can imagine it hurting him to think to hard on the subject.

A & Ω ████████ █████████ █████████████Historical document confiscated by order of the Inquisition. Ave Hydra, Hydra Dominatus.███ ███████ ███████ █ ███████ ████████ ███████████ █████████ ███████

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>>51711116
>A & Ω
Gets me every time, shit like this cracks me up.

>>51711116
Angron's poetry probably did mention the shithole that was his youth while talking about the cute things his kids did.

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>>51710980
>>51711116
>For the average Imperial citizen outside of Segmentum Solar, the ancient nations of Terra from the Unification Wars are long forgotten. Those who are history buffs or lived inside Solar might know these old Terran states. Starting with Horus, he chronicles from the start of unification for the migrant fleets of Sol to the end of the War of The Beast. Some have criticized Horus' Chronical after his death when a few historians noticed the lack of historical accuracy when writing about the Great Crusade.
Exempt from "Cultures of Sol 4th Edition" by Elanoc o Glenth
>Fulgrim managed to write a lengthy autobiography after his Legion was reduced to just shy of 3 companies in the Iron Cage. Going into great detail about his everyday life, readers are able to especially immerse themselves in his childhood of living in Merika to an eerie amount of degree. Everything after the childhood section of the book is known for being historically inaccurate and turning into the self-gratifying propaganda of later parts in his life.
P68 of "Notable Astartes" by Freja S.T.
>Vulken had written one book and several different essays on many subjects, ranging from philosophy and theology, economics to warfare. One of the few glimpses of the Afrique League did come from when his writing recall certain aspects of life on Warlord Era Terra.
Blurb on the back of "The Philosopher-King 2nd Edition" by unknown
>The few writing from Dorn left after the Great Crusade has only one aspect of ancient Terra. In the tactical notes, the Primarch goes into a full recount of the Calbi military and little else.
P52 of "Notable Astartes" by Freja S.T
>Guilliman has his entire family history saved to an audio recording then transcribed to a book. The genealogy writes about members from this nobility starting at the end of the Age of Strife til the end of the Great Crusade. Also, he wrote the Codex Astartes.
Exempt from "Imperial Houses" by Sharth o Tenelkan

>>51710980
Vulkan wrote down something that was referred to as the Tome of Fire. It wasn't an autobiography but something more akin to a philosophy book and a different perspective to the Codex Astartes along with Typhon's.

Magnus the Red might have contributed to the book on Ursh. Basically describing how horrible it was.

Lion might have written something down about Franj. Despite being work-oriented, the loss of his old home still struck him, and he wanted to make sure his nation was remember for all the good it did rather than what Luther did in its name. A bit of historical revenge and working out his grief.

>>51711116
I was thinking Khan set up a whole bunch of "Pastoral Worlds" as colonies of the Khanate during the Great Crusade. Khan saw the writing on the wall with the urbanization of Old Earth, and though the old Khanate ended up avoiding urbanization longer than many of the other nations on Old Earth it still ended up getting urbanized, due to the WotB if nothing else.

The people of the Pastoral Worlds live like the steppe nomads always have, riding mounts and herding livestock (grox, sheep, and otherwise), empires rising and falling in the backdrop with the inhabitants barely noticing. Chogoris is one of these (though in this timeline Khan found it depopulated, apparently something happened to it before the Scars got there). The White Scars and their descendants use them as recruiting worlds because at least the people there are intimately familiar with how to ride a bike.

The people of the Pastoral Worlds know about the old Khanate, but see it as a lost ancestral home that has almost reached legendary status, like Aztlán for the Aztecs, given that so few visit Old Earth.

Had an idea about a guy nicknamed the "Iron Scribe" who helped Khan turn the Khanate from a bunch of squabbling tribes into an actual country, but ended up getting tapped for the Administratum when the cultural divisions of Old Earth started to break down.

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>>51712394
The shit Angron wrote would be an indication of his deterioration over time.

At the start it's not too bad. It's not good by any means but that's because Angron is primarily somone who hits people for a living rather than a poet. The earliest pieces are pre-Warlord and offer harrowing glimpses into the Nord Afrik society in it's dying years. Interspersed are more cheerful things about his children or sorrowful things about his biological family.

Then he gets adopted by the newly founded Imperium, joins the Imperial Army, gets early Thunder Warrior treatments and gradually moves up the ranks because he can punch like a wrecking ball and turns timid sheep of soldiers into lions.

As the years pass the poetry gets worse. The subject matter gets better for the most part but the style, vocabulary, rhythm, punctuation, spleling and legibility of the hand written notes starts to decline noticeably. Not long before WotB he just gives up on it.

>>51712579
Lion was beaten into a coma by a blessing empowered Luther. The book was done in a clunky style as if written by Lion and the finished product was found in his quarters on his writing desk but at that time Lion was in the main medi-bay of The Rock living off of IV drips.

It was Holguin, Master of the Deathwing, who found the book when it became clear that Lion was not going to wake up any day soon and someone had to tidy up Lion's room. Holguin never admitted to writing the book. Dark Angel folk belief has it that Cypher did it for no easily describable reason.

Wrote up the Drach'nyen thing from last thread. I don't think a lot of people saw it because it was posted right before the thread tanked, so I wanted to see what people thought of it.

http://pastebin.com/MmPq6Chy

>>51707725
Obliterator Cyborks were mentioned in the Lion fluff

>>51708298
>>51708368

Just checked, it was the head of Saim-Hann. He's a wraithguard now but like that's going to stop him.

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>>51712842
I like it. I like it a lot.

What were the Kinebrach like. Lexicanum has little on them beyond "was part of the Interrex". Is there more or are we free to give them shape?

>>51713005
Kinebrach guy again. They're described as bipedal space gorillas that are good with making weapons. So I decided to run with that.

Kinebrachs are an omnivorous, mostly herbivorous species that like to live in humid swamps and jungles. Much like blacksmiths in West African folklore, metalworkers have an almost legendary status in Kinebrach culture. To be a decent leader you are almost expected to be a good smith, as you have to have the artistic vision, patience, and strength of spirit needed by a leader.

Disputes between leaders are often settled by a forge-off. Ra-Ha-Be saw his fight with Drach'nyen as hilariously similar to that.

Kinebrach names are a series of syllables separated by hyphens. You say them almost like a drumbeat. Like Ko-Ah-Ko. Or Os-Ah-Car.

Ra-Ha-Be is totally not a reference to a certain gorilla

>>51712842
>>51713239
Pretty good, though I'm not clear as to why Drachnyen is particularly potent against humans, I mean don't all daemons stem from emotions that humans possess? I know it's from the War in the Webway book, I haven't read it but I heard it's pretty shit due to ADB's standard daddy issues and Chaos hard on.

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>>51713607
>>51712842
Bonus points if it turns out that Drach'nyen despises the Deamon-Queen on a personal level. Like holy shit bitch, what the fuck is even wrong with you.

Just looked at the notes page, and damn I need to finish writing Entertainment In The Imperium. I've got Aspects of Steel, My Brother My Bolter, and a book series that I'm expanding from a background reference in the Blood Angels writeup. Just need to type them up from my notes, add another distribution method (a script repository that allows any show to be adapted to local media tech, such as holo vid and the stage), and a few more things, like Rhetor Imperia textbook indices, The Necron-Nomicon (trazyn the infinites database of scholarly articles and short fiction based on his collection), and any ideas for media that you guys have.

>>51713607
It's said that Drac was created from the darkest, basest urges of humanity. Specifically the first killing committed by another human out of nothing more than spite, as opposed to survival, fear, or any of the more visceral emotions. As a result, because Drac is at its core made from the darkest urges present in every human (as opposed to sapient lifei n general), a human can't simply beat the crap out of him and reject him because he's part of him. Or something.

In the War in the Webway book even the Emperor couldn't handle it because Drac is built on human sin, and the Emperor, for all his power and posthumanness, is still human on some level. Big E had to settle for sealing it inside a Custodes and telling him to run as far away from Terra and fight Drac trying to possess him for as long as possible.

>I haven't read it but I heard it's pretty shit due to ADB's standard daddy issues and Chaos hard on.

Combined with the above, I think Drac is implied to be Big E's uncle, who killed his father. So basically this.

This way we have a nice No Man of Woman Born situation and give the Kinebrach some much-needed love.

>>51714185

"Like holy shit bitch, what the fuck is even wrong with you."
-- Everyone to Lady Malys. Like ever.

When even your sword hates you, you know you did something wrong.

>>51714625
>even the Emperor couldn't handle it because Drac is built on human sin, and the Emperor, for all his power and posthumanness, is still human on some level.
Would this still hold true if the Emperor is a Man of Gold, built on a metaphorical if not literal level of the positive impulses of humanity and activated a tabula rasa?

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>>51715262
I can't help but think of that one episode of Samurai Jack where Aku tries to stab Jack with his own sword.

Entertainment in The Imperium, An Overview (Origin Index: Rhetor Imperia Socio Analysis, Gothic/Bhein Morr/Elysium, 995.M41)
With literally millions of worlds under its rule, and with no easy way to communicate faster than light available to the common citizen, true Imperium wide entertainment media is almost impossible. As with most of our problems, the solution involves a brute force unwillingness to give up. The ships of the Cursorium carry letters and packages between worlds, in addition to truly massive databases of news and media. Inquisitors of the various Ordos trawl these databases, looking for hints of potential threats. The Monitors Oratio of the Rhetor Imperia cross reference every bit, in an endless battle to keep a common tongue in the face of linguistic drift. Entire hives exist only to create a distributable index, allowing the common citizen to request almost any piece of entertainment they desire by mail - if they can find it in the near infinite list of titles and summaries spread over near a million indices. In the face of this, the fact that some works enjoy a fanbase that spans the Imperium is truly astounding.

>>51716280

A few selections follow:
Eventide: a series of romance novels (later a holo-vid series), it focuses on Taielith of Ulthwe, a young farseer who is trying to decide between the affections of two Astartes: Vretiel Trior of the Blood Angels and Fugel Stormhorn of the Space Wolves. Initially published in 963.M41, the death of the author in a freak Munitorium paperwork avalanche in 976.M41 left the series unfinished. The revelation of her plans to marry Taielith off to another Eldar that she would then cheat on with both Marines, before suiciding as all three denounced her as faithless, caused massive uproar and multiple fights between fans of both pairings, including Marines of both chapters.

(And that's what I can transcribe to my tablet right now)

>>51685369
>>51685592
>>51691112

One suggestion to make the distinction between witch-doctors and meatweaver more clear. Witch-doctors are the first response battlefield medics/walking dispensers of combat drugs and magics who are mostly used to treat light wounds. Meatweavers are who you get sent to if they can't cure you. Coin flip as to whether they actually do so or turn you into an abomination.

>>51701382
>>51702836

Hey, he said he was going into the palace to take down Emperor Vandire. He never said anything about himself or anyone else coming out. I imagine he told that to the Eldar guards to get their self-preservation instincts working.

>>51712394
I find it hilarious in this timeline that Guilliman was basically a HUGE NEEERD! He spent a lot of his free time coming up with theoretical military exercises that would never come to pass. He's basically the guy in the U.S. Army whose job it is for coming up with contengency plants for a zombie apocalypse, just in case, and he did this as a hobby.

And the most hilarious part of the whole thing is that a lot of the time his intentionally absurd musings would end up getting used anyway. Like someone ran into a Void Kraken and went to check Guilliman's writings to see if he had any suggestions and sure enough, the guy came up with ideas in the hypothetical scenario you encounter a giant space-faring organism.

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>>51716280
>BattleAx Feral
BattleAx was originally a war game based a fictional feral world of Midgard. The table models can be played with either offical holo set or unofficial physical models. Just the general rule book is necessary to play but special army book sets are sold to allow some armies to be use different rules. With just some 20-sided dice and a meter stick, games can be played on a large table. Some nobles have even gone so far as to use life-size models pushed by servents to play their games.

>The warriors of Saexon, Elvenheim, Barbar, and the Orient all fight for total control of Midgard. Spears, shields, and bows are the norm on these battlefields as technology was forgotten to even make stubbers! Saexons from the north descend to ravage empires with their barbaric ways. Barbar sea empires cruelly raid the coast and enslave ever deeper inland. The eastern vile Orient has seemingly endless warriors to destroy Midgard and to force their kingdom to be the center of the world. Elvenheim exist as the last bastion of civilization against the evils the live in their world! Variety in tactics and models! Barbar assassin witches to Orient battle wagon, and Saexon dragon riders to Elven electric lancers!
Blurb from "BattleAx Feral General Rules 4th Edition"

>>51710980
>>51711116
Sanguinius' main writing was his Meditations, where he collected his visions and wrote on topics like philosophy and ethics. As part of that, he had a very detailed and honest description of pre-Unification Duscht Jemanic, as he was a firm believer of history and examining mistakes to avoid repeating them.

>>51712822
I imagine the Lion vs Luther fight was like the canon Emps vs Horus fight, where Lion is holding back because he still loves Luther and thinks he can somehow save him.

>>51716598
My god, you went and expanded the throwaway Twilight joke in my Sangy bio, you absolute madman.

<spoilers> Doesn't Bella end up with Edward in the end? </spoilers>

>>51717262
Yes, more media for the media archives.I was thinking of doing a fantasy wargame that directlyt referenced rumors I had heard of 40k tournaments (like a west point cadet getting a life time ban from any 40k games or shops because he won a tournament using an under pointed IG force and sensible tactics).
But I think this works better.
>>51717346
Yes, I am a madman. And the ending suggested itself to me, and it is even more rage enducing than any ending Meyers could've written for Twilight.
On the other hand, Eventide is a lot better written. Like, the technical perfection of the writing got it multiple awards.
Because I will not let my fictional fiction be lacking.
My Brother, My Bolter will come eventually, but I need to rethink some of my numbers. Because a show that, as of 995.M41, has a full 500 seasons, each season made from 14 series, each series 10 episodes, each episode one hour, and a series released every six months, means it has been running for 3,500 years, and has 70,000 episodes. And has plenty of conspiracy theories about it, especially since it has maintained character continuity since its start.
Somebody talk me into more reasonable numbers.

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So, back when we were talking about the two missing primarchs, someone brought up the idea that Jenetia Krole of the Sisters of Silence was one of the missing two. When that was brought up, it gave me the general idea for a backstory for the leader of the Sisters of Silence.

Even though we firmly decided that the Sisters of Silence were not going to be one of the two missing legions, I think this reworked backstory might work well for Jenetia Krole as one of the more important “non-primarch” figures during the Unification Era/Great Crusade. It also removes some of the grimderp from the Sisters of Silence while hopefully keeping a nobledark feel.

http://pastebin.com/6nUbnTwG

I can repost this early next thread in case this goes under before people have a chance to see it.

>>51719198
I like it.
I think that a love of children was something that she and Oscar bonded over, since I fluff Oscar as loving kids to the point that he once took a 20 year vacation that consisted of him working at an orphanage, and had to be dragged away because a Waagh was going on nearby. When he got back, the kids had been adopted by nobles who wanted the honor of a kid that had been raised and taught by the Emperor himself (and Macha-Isha, since I don't think Isha would work well with a man that wouldn't be a good father). The Matron then sent him home to Terra, telling him that his paperwork was calling louder than the astronomicon. Hell, he and Isha probably have a constant stream of orphans chosen by lottery that they raise together (I like Oscar being a dad, okay?)

>>51719008
Knock a zero off every number. 50 full seasons over 350 years for 700 episodes. Given juvenat, it's entirely possible that they only had to change directors a handful of times over that period, which also makes perfect continuity more reasonable.

>>51719198
Good stuff anon.

Since I like to try and identify writefags by their writing style, are you Khanfag by chance?

Also are Eldar/Assassin/Krieg-fag and Primarchfag still around?

>>51719644
That makes sense. I was originally going gfor huge numbers to mock the classic "they have how many seasons?!" Soap operas, which it is.
It also offends, to some degree, 80% of the Astartes with how inaccurate it is - something about three whole chapters sharing one fortress-monastary. The other 20% are split between not caring, or absolute love of it. The "Dark Iron" relationship, which started 25 seasons ago, is ascended fanon from a fanfic written by an Astartes. It is also infamous for verging on the explicit, constantly.

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>>51719198
I like the idea that the missing primarchs aren't so much missing as female (at least one of them), and towards the end of the early years when grandpa Malcador could still grumble about the faithlessness of amazonian sorts, he used some considerable political and social capital to designate her legion strength army of superhumans, whatever they be, not a legion. She still received a prestigious title, fancy hat, fleet of ships, and a seat at the primarch meeting table, because Oscar put her through regardless of his dad's bitching.
Anyone, feel free to elaborate, or provide a viable cannon character. If none are forthcoming I propose a Joan of Arc theme for her.
Possibility: a psyker hedge witch that supported rebellion ousting the remains of an Ursh backed bandit army. Despite valiant efforts against the techno barbarian band, "Old Unspeakable's Unspeakable", managed to take her alive at significant cost, and a gleefully re-enacted the Unspeakable Tyrant's edict of witch burning. With little hope and already upon a lit stake in some techno barbarian scrap fortress in the realm she once protected, she beseeched immaterium's merciful powers for salvation. This is usually the point where tzeentch makes a hedge witch into a cackling sorceror. As luch would have it a detachment of the imperial army was marching marching to war with Ursh through the little realm. Magus and Oscar detect with ease from a good distance, beseeching all but the four for her life. They make haste and find her already quite on fire and and striking at her marauder tormentors with her waning powers. Magnus recognizes them to be the same sort of witch catchers paid by the Despot to supply their best psyker slaves, and does something horrible absolutely obliterating them, then sweeps the area for other captives they might have taken.

>>51719716
The one described as primarchfag is still here.

>>51719198
I like it. It is beautiful and sweet and sad. It needs to be on the Page.

>>51720641
It was argued that the reason the primarchs were male is because they were reverse engineered from Oscar, and nobody was sure how much was tied to the Y chromosome, considering that the Men of Gold were, quite explicitly, men. For whatever reason their designer had.
The two missing primarchs are Alpharius and Omegon, who were the Warlord's Intel organization and founded the basics of the Inquisition. They had no legions, and removed themselves from history.
They also founded Section removed by the Inquisition. Ave Hydra. Hydra Dominatus!
Your character is kinda cool though.

>>51721038
>because they were reverse engineered from Oscar
The Primarchs were mainly important political figures elevated to high command after the Unification to act as leaders of the Great Crusade. Although they mostly got some sort of augmentation, they all started out baseline human. Mostly.

>>51721078
That's right, it was the space marines.
But still, the Primarchs were put in command of the Legions, and only a few weren't given the SM augmentations. And many were elevated during Unification. And we (as writers) know all the Primarchs.
We definitely need more important women of the Unification era, Primarch level important, but they won't have legions of space marines (possible heavily augmented soldiers).
Oscar and Malcador were old-fashioned about women in combat zones, preferring them in the back areas, where they could do the jobs the male soldiers were taken away from. Leaders and administrators? Absolutely. Put in charge of entire areas and allowed matrilineal descent of position? Perfectly fine. The front lines? Only if necessary, or if they proved themselves. Oscar definitely held the opinion that women needed to put their strengths to maintaining the society that supported the front lines. He didn't put their position lower, but I feel that he, as a sterile being, viewed the process of bringing new life into the world, and raising it, as a sacred act. He was just more pragmatic about it than Malcador, willing to put his attitudes aside when the situation required it, or when the woman had skills he needed to fulfill his goals.
On an interesting note, over half of the initial Inquisition was female, as was the Navy (do not, I repeat, do not, ever turn down excellent technical skills) and the Administratum.

4chan thinks math is spam.
http://pastebin.com/JJm45d4H
Once again, I drive home just how big the Imperium is.

>>51721272
>>51719198

On this note it is very possible that the Uxor of the Geno Five-Two Chiliad and associated regiments was the other primarch.

Their regiments were hilariously effective because of their oddity and the officers had to be women.

The Uxor would have been worthy of the title.

Their oddity wears off at age 30 - 40 but with the rejuvenant treatments of Clan Terrawatt the usefulness could be extended for centuries. But the oddity might not have been able to survive augmentation, so their they were all and remained as human as the day they were born. However human that was.

After the WotB the remnants were scraped together by the Inquisition. There were still more than enough of them all collected to form a stable gene-pool but when collected they just vanished.

Rumour has it that they were taken to a secret facility hidden in the Cthonian vastness and serve to this day as the soldiery of the Inquisition.

>>51719380
It is also the case that Macha has always desperately wanted to start a family. She is the avatar of Isha.

The cruelty of it is that all of her disciples can get pregnant extremely easily. She is married to a sterile husband of an incompatible species.

>>51719716
*Random Necrontyr Cursewords*

I do tend to aim for the feels. Don't I?

I think Eldar/Krieg/Assassinbro left. Which is sad, because he was a really good writefag.

>>51720667
Eyyy. Love their/your stuff.

>>51720641
That was actually kind of the original idea for Krole. Leader of a hidden society of Amazons that formed from refugees in the border region of a major war zone. Kind of androphobic because of war experiences, ended up commanding a legion of women (Sisters of Silence). The other part of the idea, which I don't remember if it was in the poster's original post at first, was because her recruitment requirements were so strict the back of her legion was broken by the WotB. Scrapped when I realized how ridiculous it would be to have a primarch who died in the WotB be one whose sacrifice is forgotten (especially since Oscar still remembers and would make damn sure they were) and also how funny (and thematically appropriate) it would be to have a little girl trying to unsuccessfully mug the Master of Mankind.

Also, having another primarch outright die during the WotB seems like it's edging on Sanguinius' territory. Oscar had a lot of "family" die in the WotB. Sanguinius just hit the hardest because he was the "favorite child" so to speak (especially given how Horus is like in this timeline), and he seemed the most invincible because of the Mark III S geneseed.

>>51722749
I think this was actually made canon. Oscar and Isha would like a child, but having a child between an Eldar God and a Man of Gold is even more impossible than between a regular Eldar and human. The Starchild Prophecies (the good ones, at any rate) are the only solace they have.

>>51720641
>>51721038
It sounds like Malcador and Oscar (at first) tended to be more of the "chivalry" mindset when it came to women. That is, men are supposed to be the ones to protect women and children, not the other way around. It makes sense, given that for much of the Unification most of Old Earth was about as safe as present-day Somalia.

I think in addition to what was said about the SMs, the term Men of Gold referred to the race, not the gender. I mean, the Iron Men didn't have a gender and the Men of Stone (which are humanity in some way) have genders. The gender issues with the geneseed probably could have been fixed given enough time, but Oscar due to his views said "nope, good enough" and just went with it. As was said in a previous thread, if a Woman of Gold was the one that survived Imperial history would have taken a very different turn.