Building a setting based on sub-saharan africa Politely requesting pics for inspiration
>>50545751Why don't you tell us a little about the worldbuilding you've done so far before anyone expends energy trolling in what may or may not be a bait thread.
>>50546499Gotta have the crocodile skin sword sheathe. Won't get any ebony qt 3.14's otherwise
>>50546518That's a Kaskara, a Sudanese sword.
>>50546660And these are Takoba swords, from the nomadic Tuareg (among other groups too)
I've only just started looking into various African cultures, and there's some pretty interesting stuff, like the Kingdom of Aksum and Ethiopian history in general.
West African wax print fabrics.
>>50545842At work m8
>>50546499All look badass and interesting.Then suddenly Mursi.And all humanity is by association tainted by that level of retardation.
>>50546848Interestingly some of the colors and patterms on these almost remind me of Japanese designs.
>>50546783They really are interesting. Them and the medieval Kongo>Convert to Catholicism to please strange pale visitors with guns>Convert some nobles in order to attract smart, pale missionaries>Your perfidious brother rises up with an army of traditionalists and pagans>Somehow win because the enemy fled at the sight of St. James among your forces>Think there might be something to this foreign religion>Fifty years later, there are Kongolese cardinals in the Vatican speaking Latin amongst the EuropeansAksum held up a very unique culture when their neighbors were taken over by Islam and other nations. Then Ethiopia formed and ended up having some European nobles marry into their royal family (and the other way around too). When the Italians showed up, their army was disgraced by having such a dogged time fighting what should have been "negro savages". I'm not sure their military ever recovered from such an obvious mess up.
>>50546827>>50546848>>50546905Beautiful>>50546871Heh, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder I guess. Look at Americans getting ear, tongue, nose, and even cheek gauges. Fucked up but it seems to be "cool" to them
>>50546952>Look at Americans getting ear, tongue, nose, and even cheek gauges.I would really rather not. Holy fuck that shit is hideous.
>>50546871It may be one of those legends who are not true, but I've been told several times (even by a guy who was in Ethiopia) that it started deliberately in order to make their women ugly to avoid them being taken as slaves. With time it became the norm.Sounds like bullshit, but the world is full of weird shit like that. And fiction settings even more.
>>50546499Holy buggery, is it just me or does it look like someone slashed the fuck out of that Berta woman's cheeks?
>>50547140I heard the same, and it's kinds of likely it started that way. Arabs and black tribes raided a fuckton for slaves to sell.
>>50546499What's the twilek one
>>50546499>dat Hamar>dat Bena
>>50546905If you look at shibori techniques in Japan and some used throughout Africa, I'm thinking there's a connection that should have happened from a cloth-making crafts standpoint, and it's a a waste it never did.
>>50547456The closest thing I can think of is a project called "Wafrica" where designer Serge Mouangue made Kimono out of African fabrics. Not exactly what you're looking for but still pretty interesting.
>>50548045Old school west african houses looked oddly "japanese" at first glance The flowing robes and chopping swords are funny too
>>50547206Yeah, but I doubt they specifically targeted the mursi. Why only those guys did that kind of stuff? There's a shit ton of ethnicities here and none seem to do anything remotely similar.I can take disfiguring your wife/daughter in order to save her freedom, but it turning into the traditional fashion is a bit too much. It's the kind of thing I could believe, but only if an actual expert told me so.
>>50547204It's literally what it happened, it doesn't "look like" anything.
>>50548768Other tribes did something linked to that, the Yoruba in Nigeria for example.
Guys, I'm worried. What's happened to /pol/? They should be here by now.
>>50549084Nigg nigger niggest, cuck cuckedy cockold, americunt, europoor, remove kebab, brown clown, jewz, boongas.Feel better now?
>>50548768Did they care about the freedom of females? Asking out of curiosity because I don't know about gender in African societies
>>50548958It was more about tribal identification t. My dad has the scars
How does one find out some more information on African faiths before all the colonization?
>>50549302All societies care about the freedom of HIS females. Nothing to do with gender social rules. And by freedom I mean them not being owned as slaves, nothing beyond that.
>>50546499you will notice many of them look more classically east African while others look almost Indian.ethopia has a very long history with many strange migrations from far away places.it also has a very colorful religious history were despite being conquered by muslims multiple times it is still majority christian and has a large jewish population (or at least it did until most of them migrated to isreal)
>>50549953Really? Is your dad Ethiopian?
>>50550022Try to see if the UNESCO general history of africa has something. I only used it for Aksum in late-antiguity settings, ie christianity which is probably not what you mean by african faiths. But maybe there's something in the articles about pagan pre-colonial nations.
>no flying zimbabwean towersWell wuz you, or wuzn't you.
No one has posted the great mosque of djenne?
>>50550215It's a really unique looking structure
>>50550153Kings. We were kings and such.
>>50549084You know We used to have awesome Africa threads before cucks started whining about /pol/it's like thrashing when there's sharks
>>50550022Look up the Africa section on sacredtexts Lot's of missionaries wanted to be the next Snorri
>>50550085Ghanaian It's going out of style for obvious reasons They're seen as hillbilly tier Only fer dem cuntry folk who only need lord Jesus...and the myriad nature spirits we pretend not to worship
Tropical Africa had loads of secret societies and cultsWith every rank earned you'd be initiated into even greater mysteries and unseen powers Cult members often functioned as secret police across different tribes Some cults like those of the Mandingo hunters functioned like a cross between Monster Hunter, the Witcher, and the Rangers of the North in LOTR During the crazy wars of Upper Guinea the Mandinka hunter cult brought about a sense of peace and order in many places
>>50551451like that creepy leopard cult that gets brought up in a lot of the Africa threads?
I actually have contributables for once.
>>50551770>Herding cats that are big enough to kill youNo thanks
>>50551713Yep There was also a crocodile cult and a lion cult Both cannibalistic killers too The Hyena cult was peaceful, more like Boy Scouts than Chaos worshippers
>>50549804Oh snap, is that Chago/Xango?>>50549953>>50551076Badass. Do yourself a favour and document all of it for posterity: Method, meaning, history etc. I regret not being old enough to get info on my great grandpa's traditional ink. Ever been to visit Ghana?
>>50551798>>50551791You are a little baby man.
>>50551961Awesome. What tribe, if any?
>>50552193Ashanti We're only one of many Twi speaking tribes These days there is definitely a budding sense of proto-nationalism between all the Twi speaking tribes (Ashanti, Akyem, Ahafo, Anyi, Fante, Akwamu, Denkyira, etc) Even many non-Twi speaking tribes like the Ewe are picking it up because we're culturally dominant Think of Germany before Otto Von Bismarck
What makes one a member of a tribe? How do various tribes interact with one another?
>>50552378Thats a much more detailed answer than I was expecting, and really cool.>Think of Germany before Otto Von BismarckNo shit? Do you think this will evolve into a broader social/political change of state?>>50552404The tribe is the smallest natural human organization, based on a shared geographical location, cultural moralit, familiar ties and mutual self support.
>>50552404It depends on if your tribe is matrilineal or patrilinealOr if you were adopted into the tribeThe village is the basic political unit among most africans A tribe CAN be only one village, or many villages who recognize a common origin Many tribes (not all) have clans which are sub groupings of families bound together by a more recent common ancestor or totem animalThese days it's considered awkward to blatantly ask someone their tribe among lots of people It's like asking somebody who they voted for or what their underwear looks likeOvereager foreigners are exempt
>>50552550Doubtful We like being the most unfucked country in west africa Besides Twi speakers dominate most of the country And we have plenty of clayStill, we're afraid of the durkas in the north of the country Arabs and Nigerians are trying to turn our pagans LARPing as "Muslims" into real muslims Good thing they're such easygoing peopleConsidering people aren't likely to go "HI HOW ARE YA I'M from X tribe!" we usually deduce by accent, behavior, and for older people scarring & clothing It's not a huge deal unless you're a country bumpkin still angry about the goat another tribe took 500 years agoImagine if the people living in New York spoke a different language from the people from Albany, that's what it's like in lots of places
>>50546499reaction image goldmine
>>50553374>Aari you serious?
>>50553441>Uganda be kidding
>>50551791if those are Leopards than I potentially agree, if they're Cheetahs than I disagree, as Cheetahs are ridiculously easy to tame by large mammal standards(indeed they get along great with dogs if raised with them, which is a common tactic for ones raised in zoos), only reason we didn't domesticate them at some point or another is that they're hard to breed in captivity if you can't do artificial inseminationHyenas are also pretty easy to tame
>>50551791What, cheetahs? Naw, they're fine.Leopards are a bit trickier, but still amicable if treated well.I can't tell which is in the picture, because I am in fact blind without my glasses.
>>50553362Speaking of Nigerians, how are Nigerians anyways? Lagos doesn't seem so bad despite being a megacity, but other countries like to blame all of their problems on Nigerians so I don't know.
>>50553251>These days it's considered awkward to blatantly ask someone their tribe among lots of people >Overeager foreigners are exemptYou have to think of it as a huge social disconect. In the western world, I can only think of three major groups that still fuction on a tribal level, and that is the Native Americans, the Romani and (from a purely Anthropological definition) the Dutch/German religious aesthetics like the Amish. Scots don't count, as the clan system has basically devolved into glorified larping. >>50553362>Still, we're afraid of the durkas in the north of the country A legitimate concern>It's not a huge deal unless you're a country bumpkin still angry about the goat another tribe took 500 years agoI'd be pretty salty though....>Imagine if the people living in New York spoke a different language from the people from Albany, that's what it's like in lots of placesIts really easy to forget just how fuckhuge and geographically isolating Africa as a continent is though.
>>50553819Nigerians are the Albanians of Africa
>>50549084/pol/fag here. I'm actually surprised that there isn't any shitposting, and I only came into this thread to watch the shitshow unfold.At least /pol/ bogeyman posters will always be there for me.
>>50554297Very much so People know Africa is "big" but unlike Eurasia there's no real point of reference Europe is about the size of Burgerland and so it's easier to judge size with a glance at the mapPeople think Africa and imagine either a big unbroken jungle or Animal Planet grasslands
Haitian, but descended from West African.
>>50554600this is 100% percent true and mostly the fault of the Brits (and commies later)>tfw no Biafra
>/tg/ africa thread>Not as troll ridden as /his/ africa threadsNeat.
Top tier thread.>>50546499Humanity, Fuck Yeah!
>>50555344That looks pretty cool, what is it?
>>50555367I never know, specifically, what each of these sigils are. But they're drawn on the floor with chalk, or preferably like this by hand with powdered chalk. Every Voodoo ceremony I've seen has to have this kind of thing drawn on the ground. Both in the Haitian/New World/Carib/New Orleans kind and West Africa.
>>50555214/his/ is objectively shit, filled with armchair intellectuals who literally post the exact same threads every day, but refuse to accept answer that are not /pol/tier bullshit. Documentation means nothing to them, and the fedoras are palpable. /tg/ had, and still has, the objectively better anthropology and history threads.>>50555367That is a Veve. Sigils for the Loa used in both Hatian Voudun and North American Voodoo. You also see a little in Santeria, but not nearly as much. Fitting, as they all descend from a combination of Yoruban animistic shamaism and Roman Catholicism.The substance is a combo of flour, crushed eggshell and salt.
>>50555431I think Voodoo, from what little I know about it, sounds interesting, with the whole Loa thing, I could see a system of magic built around them. also would be nice to see voodoo magic not portrayed as "dark magic" for once.
>>50549084/pol/lord here.I'm just enjoying all this interesting African culture.It's not about supremacy or gassing the skypes or anything. That's a meme./pol/ is a board of peace. We just want everyone to enjoy their own cultures in their own countries and their own traditions. It adds to the richness of the world.Nationalism, not Globalism, K?Most everyone wants to live among their own people in comfort, and when you throw people with radically different values and customs together, it ends horribly.
>>50555431In order:>>50554709 Ogun>>50555344 Dhamballah>>50555376 Erzuli>>50555490It is literally, in New Orleans tradition, African refluffed Roman Catholicism. You have to be a baptized, confirmed, practicing Catholic to practice Voodoo. The Loa are Saints. God is god. Jesus is Jesus.
>>50555490You might like GURPS Voodoo: The Shadow War. Personally, I didn't find it that great.
>>50555556An understandable position, the borders were drawn pretty horribly and fucked things up pretty badly.
>>50555589I have to ask, because you always seem to fucking know something about everything, why do you know all this voodoo shit, clown?
>>50555627Yeah, it would be great if African countries could agree to redraw their borders, but from what I understand most governments have a mutual understanding that the borders have to stay the same as the colonial borders or fragmentation will be endless.Forget where I heard that, but I believed it.
>>50555556No matter how you cut it, /his/ is just /pol/ with more memes of pipes and spooks. >>50555657Im from a Roman Catholic family from NoLa, and worked at Marie Laveau's and the Voodoo museum. Hell, after Kartina, I got a veve of Marinette bras cheche (the dry armed lady) tattooed, as did a lot of people.
I'm generalizing hard here but the central theme of African paganism is social harmony, like how the central theme of Mesoamerican paganism was the necessity of sacrifice or the importance of righteous duty in Hindu legends I'd describe it as "manistic". Humans take center stage in African tales. And relationships between humans are of the utmost importance. The bulk of the myths are about the first human being, and how he spent his life. This first human takes the place of the elaborate pantheons of squabbling deities in other cultures. He's usually a shapeshifting trickster. He'll enjoy taking shapes like a hare, tortoise, or even a spider... This first trickster is typically the son of the one supreme omnipotent God almighty, or simply his best friend. Yes there's spirit beings animating all of nature, but they're not particularly important. In many cases they're the spirits of dead humans anyway. Good is seen as anything contributing to the welfare and happiness of other humans, and by extension the community. Evil is essentially any anti-social behavior. When the yam farmer farms, he stops at the edge of the millet farmers land. Because that would be trespassing on the millet farmer's prosperity. The village of humans is normal and stable. The Bush is another story. The Bush is weird, scary, and will eat your soul. It's like the Warp in 40K.The Bush is inhuman, the Bush is the place of chaos, madness, witchcraft, savage beasts, and dark forces. In some African languages nightmare translates as "the Bush is approaching". The hunter heroes of African tales have enormous balls when you look at them from our POV. The witch is so feared in African cultures because he is not only anti-social, but has the means to do even more harm to the community. An African hero is usually meant to depict the superiority of humans over the forces of the Bush. He's usually a weird baby with precocious intelligence and superpowers. Cont.
>>50551713>>50551451Those were really creepy, comparable to the thuggee. I had a vampire of the leopard cult as a not!predator villain once.>>50551810I don't know, it was part of a collection of african fantasy images.>>50552378What does this symbol means?>>50553362I was curious of something: as a brazilian, I hate when foreigners focus only on indians as if the country had nothing else, and it made me think of the way exotic tribals are 9/10 of what is shown about Africa. Is it the same for you guys?And are the sacrifices and offerings as prevalent in your region as they are here?>>50555480>/tg/ had, and still has, the objectively better anthropology and history threads.Amen to that.
>>50555801Such children in a way "touched" by the Bush. There's one Ashanti legend of a pregnant woman being accosted by a Bush demon when her son is born and he immediately defends her by turning into a flaming giant and wrecking the monster's shit. Such children are usually little hellians until the proper social order is restored. Either his father is disrupting society or has been killed by the Bush. So usually his motivations are either "you killed my father!" or "what the fuck dad?"As the little hero grows up he fixes everything by fighting monsters, going on crazy journeys, or passing tests of humanity Many an African villain is defeated by being shown love or compassion for the first time in a while Nature spirits usually aren't appealed to because they have no stake in human affairs, and they tend to be cunts with blue and orange morality. Human ancestors are to be prayed to. After all, wouldn't your dead grandpa care more about you than the chief king crocodile spirit of the western river? Ancestors are just continuing their kindness they shared in life.
>generic European fantasy setting in temperate climate, with kings, queens, princesses, knights, plate armor, and swords>but everyone is a Sub-Saharan African because migration>they all have dark skin and cornrows>kings are called "neguses" instead>also, zombie apocalypse, putting the "wuz" in "we wuz neguses"How does this make you feel?
>>50556051I think it's stupid and ham handed, but other than I don't really care about it.
>>50556051Is this a joke?Now, it might actually be better underneath, but probably not.There is plenty of material to work with and they are lazy and just make it generic rather than coming up with something unique?
>>50556051"neguses"? Seriously? Is that by any chance related to "nego", which is the perfect way to call black dudes in portuguese if you want to create problems?>>50556069
>>50555979Gye Nyame "Only/Except God" We call God Nyame It means he's all powerful and all knowing Yeah Folks think everything ooga booga tarzan Offerings are usually scorned as "pagan nonsense" openly But when nobody's looking we spill drinks for the spirits and leave food for themThe traditional priests are still around in the countryside and obviously near the city of Kumasi which is the heart of Twi culture and the seat of the Asantehene (basically our emperor)
>>50555801>righteous duty in Hindu legendsIt still kinda kills me how the entire Indian subcontinent is so shaped by what is apparently a small groups attempt at social engineering gone horribly wrong.
>>50556145The British Empire isn't really a small group.
>>50555556Translation: we enjoy all cultures but we don't want em in our country so git the FUCK OUT
>>50556172The feeling is unfortunately often mutual. racism is not a uniquely western trait, not in the slightest. its better not to force things. If people want to come here, thats great.
>>50556069>>50556132>>50556166>>50556185>>50556199Why do so many African people's have myths of giant monsters with huge mouths?
>>50556017Magic is an impersonal "force" in the universe Crafting Juju/Fetish charms from objects found in nature can help channel force Like the wands European wizards use A juju can be almost anything Some Igbo villagers once feared a white missionary because of his glasses: they claimed he used them to turn people into monkeysA good juju will have a spirit and consciousness of its own The "force" of the magic materials attracts the spirit to do your bidding
>>50556211I pondered this myself So many tales of gluttonous monsters who gobble up entire villages until a boy hero stabs it openEven the Hausa muslims have it
>>50556217>>50556211No idea. I hadnt noticed it until you pointed it out.Have one more
>>50556051That sounds impressively bad.
>>50556211because they live in a part of the world still teeming with large predatory animals even in this day and age, bringing the folklore focus of these dangers into the forefront in order to warn others of creatures with big scary mouths.
>>50556215In African tales heroes often compete with villains in contests of magic rather than a straight sword duel The winner is typically whoever can break the spiritual power of the other first whether through trickery or a damn powerful fetish
>>50546594>I'm pretty sure that was an alien of the week on Farscape
>>50556303Actually one of the main characters up until they found out the body paint was fucking with her kidneys and she had to quit.
This has been a quality thread so far, I can totally see a setting like this.
>>50555589 That second one is most definitely not Damballah. Not a snake or star to be found. I was going to say Legba due to the crosses and walking sticks. But Legba's veves tend not to have a base like that, as they're supposed to be a crossroad spreading out equally in all directions. I'm gonna say it's a more obscure Lwa.
>>50556368Are you sure? It has the pennants, sacred heart, and the dagger, which Damballah in her embodiment as Huna-Damballah would have. Granted, Haitian Voudun is an actively changing system, and has tons of variances from Voodoo, so I may be off.
Zombies are a staple of enemy forces Not the moaning flesh eaters of todayWitches love raising the dead to do their bidding
>>50556471is benevolent raise dead a thing? or is it purely witches.
>>50556500The closest you have is being possessed by a righteous spirit It's generally a positive experience
>>50545751Kongolian M'Banzas and a Civ6 city
>>50556632is civ6 any good?
>>50556461/tg/ is a magical place
>>50556461 Definitely. The lack of snakes and stars is a big give away. You're probably confusing it with pic related, but note the prominent snakes and stars. Lots of other Lwa use flags and other symbols. And while yes, each house will have its own variations on veves and they change some, I don't think I've ever seen a Damballah veve without the snakes. Damballah is THE snake, afterall. When he possesses you, you become like a snake. Writhe around on the floor, climb trees, and hiss instead of talking. A Damballah veve without the snake(s) would be like Legba without the crossroads, Ghede without the cross, or Erzuile without the heart.
>>50556641It's pretty good. I wouldn't get it unless it was on sale or an expansion comes out though.
>>50556641If you liked civ5 you'll like this. But maybe wait for a sale, and for more mods.
Cowrie shells are used for currency Just found it cute
>>50556663Your point? There are literally thousands of Loa/Lwa/Orisha, and several systems that use them, and I also mentioned that I may be wrong.>>50556676I concede to that, but I do know that at least one Veve of Damballah lacks snakes as in one of her reverse-embodiment. Much like the veve for Erzuli as Mama Mari doesn't have a heart, and is a walking rotting corpse, rather than stunningly beautiful.
>>50556663Why did this have to be screen capped?
>>50556772>>50556771I was just amused by the fact that a detailed, knowledgeable discussion of religion was being lead by a guy called Gropey the Clown.
>>50556792Don't feed his narcissism dude
>>50556792Gropes knows his shit and drops a lot of detailed posts. He's pretty bro.
>>50556792Gropey is cool. >>50556801And then there is this fag.
>>50545751This book is a good source for ideas. It's got some big balance problems, but it has a LOT of material to look through.
>>50556792Ah. I know lots of admittedly useless info. NoLa Voodoo is especially cluttered due to the big weird public-secret pseudo-underground thing it has going, and pop culture, while Haitian Voudun is an actively evolving religion with more regional variance, and a recent (past century or so) purge of the former Catholic trappings.
>>50556857 Seconding this book. Spears of the Dawn is another good one. It's OSR instead of d20, but it's a good basic introduction to how to do a generic "not!African fantasy setting" in the same vein as a "Generic not!Europe setting" for someone who might have no idea where to begin.
>>50556771>I do know that at least one Veve of Damballah lacks snakes as in one of her reverse-embodiment. Much like the veve for Erzuli as Mama Mari doesn't have a heart, and is a walking rotting corpse, rather than stunningly beautiful. Considering how relatively rarely one sees those Lwa, I consider them relatively obscure. Still, those walking sticks have got to mean something important.
>>50556632Also a picture of the irl M'Banza Kongo, capital of the Kongo
>>50550057Aethiopia was not conquered by Muslims, actually it is seen as sort of a bro.Parts of it got invaded tho. The lower areas. It's also not mostly christian, more like 50/50 Christian/Muslim.
>>50555480>BA in anthro, 2 history minors, MA in ArchaeologyAgreed. I avoid /his/ like the plague. /tg/ is objectively the best board, generally.
>>50547140Not totally strange, there's actually records of people mutilating themselves or their children so that they wouldn't be forced mine stuff in horrible conditions, under both the Romans, as well as South America after the Spanish took over. Because life as a cripple wasn't as bad as near certain death in the mines.
Anyone here know a lot about modern Botswana/the regions it now occupies? I've spent some time looking into the country and it's an interesting standout as basically one of the few regions to maintain a constant level of "doing pretty okay" despite having neighbors that are constant sources of strife.
>>50557599 More Persian-ish, but whatever.
>>50557498rome ain't sub-saharan at allget this shit outta this thread
Historical wargamer stopping by. Does anyone know if there were any Tuaregs among the Islamic armies in Spain?
>>5054651810/10, would resist Muslim invaders with.
>>50557498I feel like this is an ad for a version of Shakesperes play. In which case hiring a black actor to play Julius is perfectly acceptable so long as he can act well.
>>50546518Ethiopians are so interesting. I wish they'd left more of a written record.
>>50546499And of course the Somali is super inbred and angry looking.
>>50556302>>50556215>>50556017>>50555801Goddamn sir that was wonderful.
>>50557710 There were several Dynasties and factions that rose to faction in Spain. The Almoravids (ruled for about a century in the 1000 AD) allied with and had influence from Sanhaja Berbers and other tribes from from further south in the Sahara, including the descendants of today's Tuareg. So short answer: yes. But there were lots of veiled people (the Tuareg's greatest claim to fame) around back then. The Almoravids were well known for having adopted the tagelmust from the Sanhaja tribes and they made it a symbol of theirs to the point where it was illegal for anyone who wasn't a man of sufficient social standing to walk around veiled. Even today, the Hausa-Fulani and Songhai (among others) have traditions of male veiling as well.
>>50557802This is all you need to know, senpai.
>>50557887Stop shitposting, stop posting people saying dumb things and adding no comment or discussion.
>>50556082>>50556092>>50556103>>50556271What makes Ancalia so bad?
>>50556641I liked it, religious victory is kinda lame though.
>>50557708Julius Ceasar was black you fucking racist piece of shit don't bring that white-wash bullshit revisionism to me I remember the true lineage of the proto-european ebanoid people look into the chronicles of yakub you illiterate idiot
>>50557915>the veil became something for the higher classesNeato.
>>50557975It's just really lazy. It's not bad per se, but it's obvious the person who created it just wanted to make a setting about black people but didn't know anything about actual black culture so they just re-skinned fantasy Europe. There's nothing ultimately wrong with that, it just shows that the person who made it isn't very educated about what I assume is their own history.
>>50557974The only dumb things being said in this thread is >>50557780 who claims Julius Ceasar can be black if ''played well'', but would likely throw a fit if Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks were portrayed by white people.
>>50558018Woah there, don't go sticking words in my mouth friendo.That said, if someone tried to do a real biographical play of Julius Caesar's life, then I would have a problem with him being black. But it's Shakespere, which is pretty much just a theatre yardstick. Who they cast is entirely irrelevant, because the quality of it is measured in comparison to other versions of the same play.
>>50557599Does anyone else loved the way Mesopotamia's wore their beards?
>>50557915Thanks, anon! I've been planning a Moors project for Saga so I've been trying to research Maghrebi and Saharan peoples.
>>50558063It's like someone a very long time ago sat down and gave serious thought to how you could impart maximum badass to face hair.Sadly too badass for this overly sanitized era.
>>50558012Kevin Crawford is very educated in Ethiopian history, and it shows in Ancalia.
>>50550153The rulers of several notable realms and civilisations, often centred around rivers, such as the Kingdom of Kongo and the Mali/Songhai Empires, or around controlling sea trade, such as the Kingdom of Axum or the East African trading cities.
I had no idea African mythology was so interesting.Now I really want to see a pseudo African fantasy setting done right.
>>50545751they wuz kangs
>>50558018>brown paper bag test failures on both sides>not African-AmericanToppest kek.
>>50558153The Almhoades and Almoravits weren't that good for the Andalusians,apart of religious nutjobs they were akin to the Latins in the ERE in the crusades era, they basically fucked shit up and lost. Heck, the Andalusians taifas and general even allied wtih the christians kingdoms more than one time to fuck them (like in the Las navas, after the Almhoades fucked an andalusian general) because they had more in common.
>>50559097Also the Christian kingdoms weren't united in any sense, even in the most decisive battle, Las Navas Leon didn't unite with Castilla, Navarra and Aragon to fight the big Almhoade army, instead they raided the shit of the Castillian. The Banu Qasi also are very interesting, a Visigothic count than converted to Islam and dominated the Ebro valley, allied with the basques and tried lots of time so secede.
>>50558018>arrow pointing to guy the same colour as my coffee this morning>isn't blackHe might not be that subsaharan midnight but he's still black.
>>50558018 People in Shakespear's plays tend to get the racial/ethnic swap treatment. Especially considering how often non Italians played Caesar and how often non-Moors played Othello. And all that is totally different from portraying a person who died so recently that people are still alive who personally knew him. Most people wouldn't be too keen on a black Richard Nixon or ... why the hell am I even responding to this? You know damn well what's going on. Stop being obtuse and contrarian.
>>50561000Have you seen Egyptians dude? Actual Egyptians? They range from pink, to tanned to very tanned,to black/mixed. Is like saying because some time ago they used Celts as mercs Egyptians are Gauls, or because they had Circassian/Slavs Mamlukes kings they are Caucasians/Indo-European. Egyptians are they own thing, Afroasiatic North Africans, not white or black.
>>50561190Yes. Because it would be terrible if we were judging them on the colour of their skin and not the content of their character.
You could always use cannibal military bands for consistent villains too Reading about the Imbangala reminds me of the crazy fuckers in Liberia, Uganda, and Congo Imagine if their delusions about invisibility, flight, bullet resistance, and the whole "if you eat an enemy you take his powers" were real There's all manner of bush demons, and often they seem like twisted versions of humanity The uncanny valley spans all of them You have big ugly bush giants with spikes who breath fire, tall hairy monsters as skinny as skelingtons, half-beast creatures, half people, things with too many heads, red eyed monsters with a looooong claw they use to insert at the base of a person's skull and mind control them, giant versions of ordinary predators, etc
>>50559097>The Almhoades and Almoravits weren't that good for the Andalusians,apart of religious nutjobs they were akin to the Latins in the ERE in the crusades era, they basically fucked shit up and lost. To expand on that... Almoravid means "He Who Tries" and was a reference to their strong tradition of building fortified religious compounds where religious scholars (Marabouts) studied and warrior monks (Marabutin) trained and made war. They tended to be found in the more remote parts of northern Africa. They got to be of the opinion that the rulers of Andalusia/North Africa had gotten corrupt/decadent, lapsed in their devotion to Islam, and needed to be replaced. But of course, as soon as THEY got into power, some of the same shit happened. While they cracked down on non-Christians more than the previous Dynasties, they were now in charge, which meant they too could start ignoring/bending rules for themselves. The men also wore veils, which is the opposite of how it works in the rest of the Islami world and kind of gave them a reputation as being effeminate/foppish. Almohad means "Mnonotheist" and they were essentially mountain dwelling country bumpkin religious fundamentalists. Their leader had been kicked out of the Almoravid Dynasty for being a religious hardcase and went into the Atlas Mountains of Morrocco, where he preached to and formed a confederation of several lesser tribes into a big force with which he overthrew the nancy boy Almoravids. So basically Andalusia started turning into a series of revolving administrations and broke into self-serving factions. About this time, up North, the Christians were getting their act together as the Crusades winded down and launched the Reconquista with the goal of retaking the entire peninsula. And once most of the Moors had been driven out, they launched the Inquisition to make sure no more Muslims, Jews, Pagans, or conspiring/heretical Christians were left.
>>50556211Well, what would be the point of a huge monster with a tiny mouth? That ain't scary.
>>50552193>Dat fucker in the leopard costume.I know those guys were hardcore but c'mon, he looks like one of those cheap costume models trying to act cute. >>50561378The Reconquista sentiment started during the first islamic conquest,as Tempore Belli poem reflects, also lots of barons, etc wanting they old lands back and holding and passing grudges. Good resume.
>>50557990but rome ain't a part of the sub-sahara region of africa thoit's in western europe/the mediterranean
>>50561627Popular Dark/Middle Ages miniatures game. Lowish model count - you get 4-6 units of 4-12 guys. And it's more based on managing your units' fatigue and what abilities you use in battle than maneuvers and terrain.
>>50556172Yes, without even a speck of irony.
>>50556209Xenophobia maybe. Racism is your whig thing.
>>50556209Only if they integrate and don't form they own ghettoes, what the refugees are doing in Yurop tough it's sickening. But better we stop talking about those things than boil blood and talk about amusing/interesting things. Like how cute Afar woman are.
>>50559165Also, the Banu Qasi descent of the family Cassius, prominent patrician family integrated in the visigoth realm. The first muslim expedition and conquest of spain was taked by a freedman for berberia. At this moment judaism was predominant in northwest africa, in declive because the arrival of the islam.
>>50563094>>50563109>>50563122Fucking Lion King?! I totally wanna run this now. Would anyone judge if I used music from the Broadway production and B-sides?https://youtu.be/hjfM6NiMGG4
>>50561269Sit down and think for a second.Why do we have this "we wuz kangs"-meme?What country does the "EVERYTHING WAS NEGROS"-meme even originate in to begin with?After you found that out via google or something, sit down and think if the people who attack Sikhs because they were sufficiently nonwhite for their purposes really actually give two shits about what Egyptians actually look like and if that actually matters to the discussion at all.
>>50553671>only reason we didn't domesticate them at some point or another is that they're hard to breed in captivity>female cheetahs have to run for miles before they ovulate and conception can take placeYeah. They're basically the Pandas of the cat-family.
>>50555801>>50556017This is really fascinating. Do you have any sources or anything? I'd like to read more into this.
>>50556285cute>tfw no african ant rider waifu
>>50563101>At this moment judaism was predominant in northwest africa, in declive because the arrival of the islam.Folks have no idea how popular Judaism was during late antiquity and the early middle ages. Ethiopia sent troops to Yemen to punch the jewish kingdom there in the dick for their ongoing genocide of the local christians and christian polities.
>>50563298How about you sit down and think for a second about how to insult another country directly instead of being a passive aggressive cumdrinker you whinging coward?
>>50556274Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees this.
>>50554941>this is 100% percent true and mostly the fault of the BritsClassic Albion
>>50556103Kek no, portufriend. Negus is the traditional name for the ethiopian king. Like the persian is shah and the russian is tzar.
>>50556165Ewww no, the britbongs were only to reap the shit. And sell it to the chinks for byobus with the face of the ruling bankster. Sic Lord Lytton. The pimp.
>>505555561) most people were fine with the refugee crisis because 1.1) the world has dealt with refugee crisis before, 1.2) the number wasn't expected to be millions, and 1.3) the EU was supposed to be united in dealing with it. When it got too big, when there were too many, we saw a backlash among the majority.Also, 2), the MENA borders are exactly the same as the SSA borders, arbitary and fucked up, Skypes Picot or whatever, remember?So, 3) your little picture sucks.
>>50563332>Yeah. They're basically the Pandas of the cat-family.although to be fair to them, that's partially because they have one of the worst genetic bottlenecks of any species of mammal, indeed they're one of the only ones to have it worse than we do>>50563380>Folks have no idea how popular Judaism was during late antiquity and the early middle ages.probably cause most people are more familiar with Judaism as the oppressed minority it was from the late Middle Ages onward
>>50556302So african heroes and villains are all stand users?
>>50564172>1.1) the world has dealt with refugee crisis beforeWell yeah, but the refugee crisis after WW2 was basically european nations violently helping each other to increase each other's ethnic purity by displacing minorities back to wherever they came from originally. Meanwhile this one's a chain of failures that made folks figure that they might as well test how serious we are about human rights and post-ethnic nationalism.(we fundamentally aren't, we haven't even figured out how2European citizenship yet)
>>50564432Elaborate Por favor
>>50557655>>50557710>>50557802Thanks /tg/, now I got jungle fever
>>50564566Amharas are hardly Jungle. More like mountain fever. Or my prefered, cofee fever.
Anyone mentioned the maasai or mukogodo yet?
>>50564722Uh, I read that they hated slavers. And they sacked the Swahili cities a few times.It's weird to imagine the tour guides in red capes used to be genuinely frightening warriors.Their raiding forced the nearby bantu tribes to move into more well defended mountain villages.
Sweet thread.>>50555801>The Bush is weird, scary, and will eat your soul. It's like the Warp in 40K.Using this.
>>50565084Read Heart of Darkness and Forest of 1000 Demons They definitely capture the horror of the Bush
>>50563380To be fair, most people in Yemen probably wasn't either jewish or christian but pagan. The jewish elite used the pagan outrage against christianity to attack the christians (who were perceived as a potential 5th column in case of ethiopian or roman attack).
>>50564499Stand = Jojo ghostsJojo heroes and villains from Jojo 3 onwards all have magic spirits and use them to fight, insead of the weaboo fightan magic of the previous seasons.
>>50564615Yeah well, it's how the black fetish is called, doubt it has anything to do with the place people lives in considering people uses it mostly for afro-americans. Bit racist, but black fever sounds even worst desu.
>>50555801>>50565214Dude I know neither of them were exactly the best president ever but I think those african guys are exaggerating a bit.
>>50564499Concept from a manga/anime. Stands are basically a stand user's fighting spirit made manifest, and posses special powers, as well as being invisible to people without stands.
>>50565214>They definitely capture the horror of the BushMy brother remarked that as a tourist he often totally failed to spot hyenas just chilling out on the ground right in front of him right until they started moving. Living in a natural habita really does have some serious perks for animals.
>>50546827>>50546848Quick historical story about these fabrics; they are actually Indonesian in origin and were taken to West Africa (Ghana originally to be precisie, and it spread from there) by the VOC (Verenigde Oost-Indische Companie / Dutch East India Trading Company), who brought them as trading goods from the Orient. There is still a company in Holland that has the lion share in the West African market regarding these fabrics. They also organize major fashion shows with a majority African models, which is quite cool.
>>50556353Hadn't heard about that.
>>50563649You realize that Torterra is based off of the world-turtle mytheme, right?
>>50565940I wouldn't doubt it, but it's just what immediately came to mind.
>>50545751Guild Wars: NightfallLook it up, rip it off. Old enough that probably no one will remember. Enjoy your great campaign setting.
>>50545842why should it be a bait thread this isn't /pol/
>>50546422wouldnt that be really really sweaty tho?
>>50563649I don't know pokemon, but I see the resemblance.I do know that pokemons are based on hundreds of beings from dozens of cultures around the world.I'm pretty and sure you can find articles about it on the internet.
>>50564022Oh, ok. It really wouldn't work in Brazil though.Even if people accepted, they wouldn't be able to take it seriously.>>50565393Huehuehue>>50566407Seconding this. Great african fantasy there.
>>50546973The hat, sidehair and and nose makes it look like an orthodox jew, ahah.
>>50556103"Nego"? You mean "negro"? It's actually socially acceptable. "Preto" is the rude term. We got switched around sometime in the past.
>>50567396explain that to some inner city detroit fellows i'll wait
>>50567464Why would you speak portuguese in Detroit?Did you think I'm from the USA?
>>50556051>>50556103Said aloud, it's like a black version of frenemy. Like, he's sort of my nigga but sort of my nemesis so he my neguses.
>>50566610Well yeah. Most armor is. that's a big part of why you don't wander around in your armor 24/7. Except in games.
>>50546443they seem to be having a really good time
>>50556051>>50556103>>50567719https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NegusYou all sure are fucking stupid. Ancalia is obviously fantasy Ethiopa
>>50568435is that ash or snow?
>>50545751This movie has a very interesting take on mages and magic and it was made in Malihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeelen
I legitimately cannot find anything interesting at all about blacks. Just not my cup of tea I guess.
>>50571871Then why even open the thread?Fuck off
>>50571691And a guy's summary, review and explanation of it. Yes it's an internet reviewer but it's pretty informative.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0PmgaRmURI
>>50571936I honestly love his stuff, it's almost always really well researched.
>>50571114>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negus Snow. Several of the mountain ranges in Africa- most notably the Atlas mountains in Northern Africa and the Eastern Highlands in Eastern Africa are high enough in elevation to ahve true Alpine conditions. Other places receive occasional snow fall as well. It snowed in Cairo Egypt a few years ago.
>>50571871>Cairo EgyptAs opposed to?
The sacred symbols of some gods of the Yorubá pantheon (The Orisha).1- The red trident: Elegba-Eshu, the trickster child god of duality, beginnings, travelers, roads and spiritual gates, who has the keys to the past, present, and future. He's also the Messenger of All Gods and all ceremonies/rituals must first have his approval before progressing.2- The bow, arrow and saber: Oshosí, the god of hunt, wilderness, animals and beasts. Also the god of meals, because it is he who provides food. He is associated with lightness, astuteness, wisdom, and craftiness in the hunt.3- The bow, arrow and torch: Ogún, god of iron, fire, the forge, politics, weapons and skill.4- The weird rattle-thing called xaxará: Babalú-Ayé, the most feared of the Orishá. Literally the God of AIDS, ebola, smallpox, leprosy, influenza and all kinds of illness and diseases. So, basically a death god, but also the spirit that cures these ailments. Both feared and loved, he is sometimes referred to as the “Wrath of the supreme god” because he punishes people for their transgressions.5- The herbal leaves and the bird: Osanyin, the nature god of forests, plants, life, health, abundance and the healer of the gods.
>>50571871Yeah I'm more of a puerh guy myself, black tea is too bitter for me, and if you're drinking it to get a caffeine fix there are way more concentrated ways to get it. Your post is a little off topic, because I have no idea what your choice in drinks has to do with sub-Saharan Africa, as black tea originated from China.
>>505723386- The rainbow and the twin serpents: Oshunmaré, the god-goddess of creation, fertility, dynamism, longevity and energy. If one day the Rainbow Serpent stops his-her cosmic dance, there will be no more movement, and the universe will collapse.7- The fiery double-axe: Shangô, the warrior god of fire, thunder, earth's endurance, strength, justice, law and royalty.8- The bolt shaped reddish sword covered in sparks of lightining: Oya-Yansan, the fearsome goddess of battle, queen of the dead and the spirits, and ruler of the winds, lightnings, violent storms and hurricanes. 9- The golden star-shaped mirror: Oshun, the goddess of beauty, love, passion, dance, song, the arts, sex, perfection, pleasure, desire, wealth, delight, excellence in all things, jealousy, ecstasy and obsession. The queen of all rivers and fresh waters. 10- The silver moon-shaped mirror with a star: Yemanjá, the Mother Goddess. Queen of the seas and mother of all gods. She is the primordial spirit of life, maternal love, purity, light, deep secrets, ancient wisdom, the moon, salt water, sea shells, and the collective unconscious. She is often depicted as a mermaid, and is associated with the moon, ocean, and feminine mysteries. She is the protectress of women and rules the creative endeavors. She governs everything pertaining women. Childbirth, conception, parenting, child safety, love, and healing.10- ?11- The white stuff with a dove: Olodumaré, the Heavenly Father, Supreme Creator and the overgod who carries the responsibility of coordinating the Universe.
>>50572337>he isn't from Illinois
>>50572338 Also worth noting that in most west African traditional religions, there's only one GOD (all caps). There's a bajillion spirits/Orisha and other divine entities, but they're seen as subservient to the grand creator, which is distant at most. The lesser spirits only have power insofar as the creator grants it to them. This made it very easy for practioners of these religions to accept the Abrahamic religions' claims that there's only one true god, especially when all those religions also tend to acknowledge the existence of empowered spirits in the form of angels/djinn/demons/saints as well. And while it's often compared to animism, it is not. In animism, a plant, a river, or a rock has a soul just as a person does. Meanwhile, in African religions a spirit can live in a tree or a river or a rock, but it's not the spirit OF the tree/river/rock. Trees, rivers, and rocks have no souls. It's a spirit just making it's home there in the same way a person may live in a particular house or community, can hold sway in their house/community and may even find connection/identity with that house/community, but the house/community will continue without it. Possession is especially important in the religion. During ceremonies, the person leading or participants may become possessed by a spirit. When they do, people treat them as if they were the spirit in question. If the spirit is supposed to be that of a small child, they get babied and given sweets. If it's an old man, they may give him a walking stick and help him sit down. The person is treated as the spirit in question and what he or she says is believed to be the spirit speaking through their body.
>>50572586What would happen if you started talking mad shit about someone else while pretending to be possessed? Would you still get beat up, or would they not want to harm your body under the belief that it's not your fault the spirit is such a dick?
>>50572688>What would happen if you started talking mad shit about someone else while pretending to be possessed? Would you still get beat up, or would they not want to harm your body under the belief that it's not your fault the spirit is such a dick? The spirits and their personalities/idiosyncrasies/traits/likes/dislikes/etc are generally well known, so unless a person is acting the way that spirit usually acts, they're not going to be considered to be possessed. Plus there's usually "tests". In Haitian Vodou at least, it often includes downing a bottle of rum infused with hot chili peppers without batting an eyelash.
>>50572805That test sounds horrifying to anyone with IBS
>>50572834Yeah, the tests are crazy.The Water Goddess of Love and Passion Oshun, who in Haitian Voodoo is called Erzulie Freda, only possesses very specific priestesses and homosexual priests. Sometimes she will ignore all women present at the ceremony, maybe only offering them her left pinkie finger as a sign she is the alpha female there.Accordingly to her priesthood, however, she can be very destructive. "Being a goddess who experiences emotions in a far greater scale than mortals do, she sometimes become a true force of nature, wrecking everything in her path in fits of rage and sorrow, crying painfully because the world is not as beautiful and perfect as she knows it could be."