You discover that all elves are secretly shapeshifting rats.
Doesn't surprise me one bit.
>>50096488I'd like to know how this image came into being, because I can't figure how someone would make that association.
>>50096625Make one elf were-rat character and suddenly some people believe all elves would look better as rats.
>>50096488this explains the compulsive lying and hiding in the equivalent of rat trap tree houses.
>>50096488That's on par with discovering that water is wet.
>>50096715Having fun being extincted and brought back in a Frankenstein's monster version of your former game wherein yoir race is relegated to being literally just memories of some fat old frog?
>>50096488Is this a cat in a hat?
>>50096488Why elves, though?
>>50096664Please tell me more.
>>50096963I've just started making it into a comic.http://agrestthethief.tumblr.com/
This thread is an excellent excuse for me to post some best rat.
>>50096488How do I know Ratfolk aren't just shapeshifting Elves?
>>50097116What is the advantage of shapeshifting into ratfolks?
>>50097132Superior sense of smell.Fur in winter.
I am now conflicted between my urge to kill all elves and the need to cuddle all ratfolk.
>>50096488This could be an interesting concept in the right setting. Perhaps not ALL elves are secretly shape-shifting rats, but that all the elves visiting a certain Human city are. Due to centuries of people pouring old potions down their drains, the city's rats have Awakened, many among them acquiring or learning the ability to shape-shift. In order to better their lives down in the sewers, the rats take the shape of elves and interact with the Humans above, establishing alliances, making money, buying and selling food and trinkets and occasionally going on adventures.The ruse has been working pretty well, as elves are supposed to be secretive and strange, but the arrival of REAL elves to the city threatens to ruin everything.
>>50097132Eating warpstone without going boom.
>>50096488You discover that all rats are secretly shapeshifting elves.
>>50096488Let me get this straight.Elves:>long ass life-span, eternally young and good looking>live in forests or magical places that are really nice to live in>one of the best at magic>long history and a glorious past, now on the decline or even considered a dying raceRats:>ugly, short lives>live in dirty places>breed like rabbits>spread diseasesIs there some kind of elaborate joke I'm not getting?
>>50097132This is actually a noble elven lady, she uses the opportunity presented by shapeshifting to let her hair do- out and be a slutty ratfolk ninja.
>>50097132Improved agility and survivability?
>>50097132The elven version of slumming.
what the fuck tg
>>50097287My god, they've had armies hidden in all our major cities for centuries.
>>50097495/tg/ is actually super furry. Where have you been, under a rock?
>>50097287>go in the cellar>naked elf completely squished by a mousetrap in the middle of the room>again
>>50097287>>50097562>"dying race" lore was a lie meant to make you drop your guard
>>50097495You act like this is the first time something like this has happened.
>>50097293> Rats> UglyNothing but slander!
>>50097620>they only breed excessively in ratfolk form
>>50096488As long as they bully me and use me I dont care what they are.
>>50097132Superior breeding capabilities
>>50097293Rats are cute and intelligent, make much better pets than mice
>>50097132Who is this rodent waifu?
>>50096488>High elves are secretly skavenMakes total sense, all things considered.
>>50097293That's probably the joke. Although rats are generally adorable.Shame they get so mis-represented, though. Not only do those little guys help drive way too many scientific studies, but they're incredibly intelligent and kind. Hell, they showed rats can have true altruism.The big shame is just how short their lifespans are.
>>50097717Looks like Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni
>>50097717Ink-eyes, a nezumi from MtG kamigawa setting. Got a couple other pics.Beware, the artist makes a lot of nsfw furry art, so searches can be dangerous.
>>50097728>That's probably the jokeSo dwarfs are shapeshifting flamingos? Orcs shapeshifting sloths? Goblins shapeshifting whales? Am I doing this right? Just taking what seems to be the opposite and now I have my epic joke thread?
>>50097765>bewareYeah. Sure. I'll be reeeeal careful.
>>50097774This is literally an image of the character presenting herself for sex, while topless, is that not NSFW enough in your mind?
>>50097805I see nothing lewd, just a rat lady looking in a window.
>>50097812Not him, but I sense a nipple.
>>50096488Hopefully it means skaven ditch those ugly broodmothers and go grab some rats by the tail. Maybe if the vermin got some decent pussy now and again they wouldn't be such murderous, backstabbing dicks and they could concentrate on science for something besides murder.
>>50097821OH GOD A NIPPLE JESUS CHRISTTFW American and this is the normal reaction in your country
>>50097792Don't look at me, I just think that rats are wonderful animals.
>>50097805The lewd is only in your mind, anon
jesus christ, burn everything
>>50097805>presenting herself for sexI'm not sure. Do rats have tail language like dogs or cats?
>>50097821Nope. Just a window. No one will jerk it to this. There are only three lights.
So the elves have concocted a plan to counter their whole "slow reproduction/dying race" schtick and it's to polymorph themselves en masse into cute ratfolk who can breed accordingly?
>>50097836To be fair this isn't /a/ or a porn board, its not a good idea to post nipples.
>>50097836Sad, but true.We're a surprisingly prudish country, considering that we have Las Vegas.
>>50097842>Furry is to be burned>Loli anime avatarYou're right. Burn EVERYTHING. But finish it off with you.
>>50097863I don't know about those particulars, but I like the idea of a race permanently transforming itself to avoid extinction.Maybe something with golems...
>>50097870It's just fucking weird to me. I've been to Europe (and honestly, alaska has some spots that take that 'lol idgaf' stance because alaskans don't give a fuck about anything, we're a hardy people) and it's just not a big deal over there and what is and isn't acceptable is well defined.You come to the states and it's like "Okay you can't say fuck or show a nipple but that character in a kids show has bondage gear covering their nipples so I guess that's fine, also they get shot in the face but eh whatever just put it on TV it's not like there's a nipple or anything."
>>50096488Good, it gives me an excuse to massacre them as much as I feel like.
>>50097863What happens to the babies if the mother shapeshift into an elf during pregnancy? Litter of skavens? Litter of elves? Miscarriage?And would the be babies be regular ratfolks or be able to shapeshift too?There must be an answer in some dragon magazine FAQ, I've seen strangest questions there.
>>50097836Rules are rules anon. I didn't report it, but you should be self-aware about what you post. At least put a spoiler behind it.
>>50097886It's not like europe hasn't its own weird things.
>>50097902Well it's moot cause I didn't post it, I'm just bitching about the prudes in my country. IDGAF if someone else gets banned for rat titties, not my website.
>>50097931Oh good lord it does. But they're usually...I dunno...way more private and guarded? I assume that's just because you have so much goddamned 'gentleman culture' built up over hundreds of years that the REALLY sick shit is generally either kept outside the regulated public view or at the very least used in that 'OH YOU SO CRAZY EUROPE' way that they've been borrowing form japan lately
>>50097949I don't think so, but I can only argue from my personal experience. My country gets assblusted constantly about political shit.
>>50097973Can't we all only argue from personal experience, in the end?
>>50097880>golemsThat's just boring transhumanism transfered to a fantasy setting.
>>50097836In America, it's a normal reaction to see topless adolescent girls as "sexual" and "dirty" in need of covering up.
>>50097898Litter of elves
>>50098016Being from there, I know this. I'm saying it's fucking weird, because a good portion of the rest of the world doesn't follow our batshit censorship rules where a nipple's evil, but someone getting blown to shreds wearing fetish gear is on network TV.
>>50098016apparently in america it's also normal to interpret any topless women as being adolescent
>>50097236>Rat-Elves play up commonly held Elven stereotypes in an attempt to disguise their lack of genuine cultural knowledge.>Rat-Elves' clothes and gear are noticeably mismatched and out of style, and are rarely of real Elven make or quality.>Rat-Elves usually claim to be travelers or adventurers as a way to explain their oftentimes dirty and disheveled appearances.>Rat-Elves sometimes cannot maintain the levels of poise, self-assuredness or otherworldly charm needed to pass as a real Elf.>Rat-Elves possess the ability to swivel their ears and will do so st signs of danger, something that real Elves are incapable of.
>>50098068>"See, we call the ratties 'stabbers', cause the knife-ears on em move. Oh, and they're rats, they'll fuckin tab ya in the back."
>>50098015Oh? I suppose you might be right, but it could still be a fun culture to throw into a fantasy setting. It would have to be about execution if not originality.
>>50098084>>50098068>There are folk that claim that the Rat-Elves are more friendly than the real thing though, because they actually need us Humes.>There are even stories of Rats doing good turns by people and helping out in ways those arrogant True-Elves never have.
>>50098207>>There are even stories of Rats doing good turns by people and helping out in ways those arrogant True-Elves never haveWhere do you get that from? Usually elves are the allies of humans.
>elves are realizing their society is becoming stale and dull>mages come up with a plan>polymorphing into ratfolk becomes a fad>soon everyone is doing it>they set up fake "ratfolk" communities>create a fake "ratfolk" culture and language>elves get really into creating their ratfolk persona>never break character or reveal it to outsiders>essentially elves are extreme LARPing in the setting
>>50098235Just for the purposes of this thread, I was playing up the occasional personification of Elves as being arrogant and aristocratic.
>>50098239>Several different fantastical races in this setting were actually created by this ancient, stagnating elven empire, as different subcultures gave themselves to various "polymorph LARPs" permanently. This is the reason why the elven empire is now in decline, and why they hate orcs so much.
>>50098239>>50098378>"This is Vermy, my ratsona"
>>50098207>The Rat-Elves keep up this elf appearance because they are afraid of being killed otherwise>Humans have actually figured out that they aren't real elves a while ago>They just either don't want to burst the Rat-Elves bubbles, or they think that Rat-Elves really want to be Elves
>>50098378>centaurs, bird-people, lizardmen and minotaurs don't actually exist>they're all fake races created for bored elves to play>oh I can't wait to show you my new minotaur, he's the butchest slab of monster beef ever
>>50098439>While they started off as fake LARP polymorph personas meant for bored elves, enough LARPers decided that they preferred these alternate lifestyles that they never ended the charade.>Eventually they began having children in these polymorphed forms, raising them as if the cultures and histories they'd constructed for their LARP races were genuine.>In the modern era, these races are now legitimate and know nothing of their frivolous and artificial creations, leaving the original elven civilization much in decline.>Only the elves know the truth, and resent their former kinfolk for leaving them, especially the orcs who have since made war against their ancestors several times over the centuries.
>>50098594>Elf scientists give polymorph potions to elf larpers, in order to create an experiment about nomadic tribal structures>300 years later, the elf empire is pillaged by the descendants of those larpers, that know nothing but orc life.>"What experiment? I never did any experiment. Leave me alone or I'll call the guards!"
>>50098594>occasionally a minotaur gets hit by a dispel magic or wanders into an antimagic zone and turns into a very confused elf>sometimes these races give birth to throwback elf children who either get killed or have to struggle really hard to fit in>your character is a female elf born to some minotaurs whose struggling really hard to complete her hunter test of strength
>>50098727>implying that you won't end up with a beef slab with pointy ears instead of a minotaur
Dammit /tg/, refined, civilized beings turning into feral creatures by their own volition is such a fucking turnon for me.WHY DO YOU DO THIS
>>50098727>At the end of the adventure, finally comes across an Alter Race scroll.>Beautiful elf maiden becomes a massive minotaur.>Enters the legend as Lola Heartbreaker.
>>50096488>Elves are ratsSo nothing changes?
>>50098791>turns into a male minotaur
>>50096488Wtf I love elves now
>>50097089>best rat please
>>50096488Doesn't change the plan. The axe, then the pyre.All of them.
>>50098784>Ancient Etruscan ratfolk orgies
Ink-Eyes turns out to be Nissa Revane in disguisewhat happens
>>50098957i kill Maro with the spear in my closet, go back in time, and make it so that Nissa turns out to have been Ink-Eyes in disguise
>>50096488good job, OP, you got me to actually think of fucking an elf.I'd still fuck a ratfolk, tho
>>50096488I hated 40kids, but at least they kept you faggots out.
>all the art straight up forgets that she holds a blade with her tail fucking T R I G G E R E D RIGGERED
>>50098594>This also explains why so many dungeons and ruins have nonsensical designs or appear to have been built just for show. They're all set-pieces the Elves built as part of their fun and games.>>50098727>While there are many theories as to why this sometimes happens, the ancient elven lords and ladies have managed to keep the whole truth from coming to light.
>>50098983How can a rat ninja pull off masquerading as a stroppy elf planeswalker?
>>50099058a combination of Oni blood magic and regular Ninjutsu
>>50098084Rats are actually rather caring and friendly beings. also clever and hygienic
>>50097610/v/ please, you can't pass the curse that easily
>>50099079Since when is Ink-Eyes fucking naruto?
>>50096488Goddamnit that elf is still too cute
>>50099116But it's true./tg/, /v/, and /co/ are closet furfags/trash/ was never in the closet to begin with
>>50099136Reminders that your elf waifu is a dark wizard obsessed with forbidden magic.
>>50098433>>50098207>>50098068>City is under attack from Dick-ass Drow raiders>Rat-Elves, pressured by the potential loss of their home, join the war to defend under the pretense of ancient hatreds between them and Drow.>The Drow, knowing that these aren't actually Elves, laugh this off and ignore them.>Rat-Elves, from years of hiding, scurrying, and having to pummel the occasional monster, are excellent at stealth, street fighting, and setting up ambushes.>Rat-Elves consistently manage to lure the Drow Raiding parties that get through the walls into always or sewers where there is either a human barricade with crossbow-men, bunch of Rat-Elves ready to shank them, or both.>Rat-Elf rogues are almost as good at stealth as Drow assassins and use their superior knowledge of the city to cut them off and prevent them from completing their mission, even capturing some alive. >The Drow are actually having a net loss as Dick-Ass Rat-Elf theives keep stealing all their stuff and sneaking into their camps and releasing the prisoners.>The Drow say "Fuck this shit" and go home with their metaphorical tails in between their legs, because they got beat by a bunch of mutant Sewer-dwelling beasts.>They Swear their undying hatred upon the Rat-Elves.>Rat-Elves are celebrated as heros and given places of honor amoungst the city.
>>50099160Thats fine, im into mad science
>>50099157Get back in the closet.
>>50098791>She lives out the rest of her life as a strong pillar of her tribe, but when she eventually gives birth to an elven girl of her own begins wondering what might really be going on.>The young Minotaur mother, baby elf in tow, seeks out her former adventuring partners and travels to the half-dead elven empire determined to find the answers she needs.
>>50099180>>50099202Nigga I never said I was a furfag. Just pointing out that those boards have a trend of wanting to bone animal people
>>50099118since she was basically kept by an O-Bakemono shaman as a slave/acolyte/fucktoy and learned enough Oni magic to kill him and escape with her life, plus being a literal ninja which in Kamigawa is basically equivalent to darkvision and free teleportation
>>50099171That's a good story.
>>50099244Bah, spoiled goodswish she was my fucktoy
>Galadriel travels to another world where she becomes a slutty ratfolk chieftainBetter ending to LOTR
>>50099272>Tolkien>sluttyYou failed this class.
Do they do stuff in rat form that they find totally gross in elf form? Like they'd happily chow down on a half-decomposed corpse in ratperson form, but not in elf form?Also do they train turtles in ninjutsu when in rat form?
>>50099171>The Rat-Elves use this newfound social status and goodwill to turn their sewer home into a proper under-city, improving their lots in life while giving the Humans a brand new market for goods and services.
>>50099341I'd imagine that they have the same tolerances to sickness and disease in both forms, but that gaining the ability to become an elf might recolor their views on more rattish pursuits and out them off of some of the more disgusting ones.On the other hand, you can't beat the image of a rat-turned-elf adventurer gleefully eating out of the garbage.
>>50099373>"Oh... gods... What are you doing, Llorielle...?">"There'ff fumm really taffty stuff in here!"
>>50099231If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem!Don't mind me, I'm just in an accusatory mood.
>>50099314Furries are retarded, you can't change that. Just pass them under special education so you can get them out of your class.
>>50096488... oh god what did I put my dick into?.... what will my children be?
>>50099530Ratfolk, most likely, but very intelligent and refined ratfolk.
>>50099530>... oh god what did I put my dick into?An adorable waifu who loves you.>.... what will my children be?Even more adorable.
>>50099373>rat-turned-elf adventurer gleefully eating out of the garbagegobbet.jpg
>>50099244Also once she pulled a sith lord her master's oni (in Kamigawa oni are ghostly demon lords) saw his big bad ogre disciple get his shit kicked in by a rat-girl 1/10th his size and said "Fucking A girl, you want to work for me?"
>>50099171I'm stealing this for my vanilla ratfolk
>>50099614Makes for some nice setting fluff that allows ratfolk to become something more than vermin.
>>50099614Go right ahead my man, it's yours for the taking.
>>50099407>Elven rogue unusually spunky>Elven rogue unusually uncouth>Elven rogue unusually paranoid>Elven rogue unusually fond of the dark>Elven rogue unusually comfortable with vermin
I'd finally see the appeal of elven sluts
>It was purely on impulse that he decided to quietly shadow the elf sorceress as she departed from the group>The elf was stuck-up, imperious and demanding, sure, but he also found her very attractive with her slender body and beautiful face framed by jet black hair>He wasn't quite sure why she insisted on spending her free time on her own, away from the other adventurers, but he was now determined to find out>He felt his heartbeat quicken a little as he crouched inside a small set of bushes. Lady Illysande stepped down towards the pond, oblivious of his presence.>She giggled uncharacteristically as she began shedding her clothing, letting her finely woven mage robe simply drop to the ground>He felt his own hot breath against his face where he lay as she stepped out of her boots fully naked, stretching in the morning sun>With a flourish Illysande untied the brooch which held her hair in check, letting it spill down her back like a waterfall of night>Then, to the surprise of the rogue, she spoke a complicated spell which he did not recognize while twirling her slender hands in the air>He gasped quietly as the elven lady's form began changing>A layer of wiry muscle began pushing against her milky skin as she crouched down wide-legged>She grunted as her legs popped and inverted>Her fine nails grew out and became long and sharp>Her hair spread across her body, becoming a thin coat of soft black fur>She groaned loudly as her fine facial features grew together into a long, whiskered snout and her eyes changed from a pure blue into blackish brown>Finally a long, thick tail pushed out right above her rump as her body fully changed into a rugged, curvy form>He could barely keep silent as the black-furred ratwoman who had been Illysande chattered pleasantly to herself and scurried over to retrieve her new clothing from her backpack
>>50096488Is there any more mousille?Some kind of embarrasing side story?
>>50100082Damn, please continue.
>>50100082If this doesn't get lewd, I will be severely disappointed
>>50099565...Well, I guess that might not be so horrible, when you put it like that. Could certainly be worse. Going to have a hell of a time explaining it to the folks, though.
This is a dangerous road we're heading down
>>50097272Oh they still go boom, that's why they just nibble.Necromancers literally don't give a fuck though.
>>50100424Adventurers, anon. They're all about the dangerous road.
>>50100424I feel bad because I recognized it as CoC before I saw the name in the image...But is that filename a SBFP reference?
>>50100082>>She grunted as her legs popped and inverted"Backwards knees" will never not trigger me.
>>50098957Use necromancy to resurrect Purraj, she was best girl anyway.
>>50096488You're not supposed to tell humans our secret, moron
>>50100572>Purraj, not MirriPlebs go home
>>50100577Cat's out of the bag now, huh?Or is that considered racist?
>>50100583She's been cucked, murdered twice by the same person, forgotten about promptly after dying, cursed by dark magic, and lost her home.Let poor Mirri rest in peace, she's one mis-aimed fireball from being Katia Mannagin.
>>50100592lol if you think a single cat can take a grown rat and win
>>50100136>>50100150>>50100321>The rat-woman wiggled her soft-furred body into the much less elaborate clothes she had produced from her pack>She slipped into a skimpy top made from brown, ragged cloth and leather scraps which contained her now larger bosom and a short loincloth tied around her waist which allowed her tail to dangle free>She carefully wrapped her lower arms and shins in similar cloth and affixed a choker to her neck>Finally she slipped a pair of crude earrings into waiting holes in her large pointed ears>Rather than Illysande's long, ornately carven crystal-tipped mage staff, the ratwoman strapped a pair of long, wicked-looking daggers to her muscular thighs>Seeming to finally be content with her gear, she peeked at herself in the tranquil mirror surface of the pond, then skittered back to her pack>Crouching, she stuffed Illysande's robes, underwear and boots into the pack with little thought or care, then fished out a large package wrapped in brown, greasy paper>Sitting down cross-legged, she opened it to reveal an assortment of dirty, greasy foodstuffs including a moldy side of cheese and some other things the rogue wrinkled his nose at>Eating happily the ratwoman seemed not to care at all whereas her elven alter ego had scoffed at even smelling some of the cheaper inn food she had been offered>The hidden rogue found himself wondering which side was the true one, the rat or the elf
That's true in TES.All Bosmer are shapeshifting weird spirit people that take form closer to rest of the mer with Glamor magic.
>>50100638Well, some rats, maybe. Others, not so much.
>>50100662It's really easy to tell they had a 1E MM open when doing the Bosmer concepts for Arena/Daggerfall
>>50097728>that statueI get it!
>>50100692>1E MMCan you explain to a casual like me?
>>50100733DnD 1e Monster Manual I suppose?
>>50100733Swanmay was specifically a kind of AD&D lycanthrope that iirc wasn't kept in 2e as that's the edition that gave druids their wildshape abilities (or it was under a different name). I think they readded it in 3.The first two games were especially obvious on being based on the devs' AD&D homebrew campaign.
>>50100780MM2 akshually (it's the only 1E book I still have, gift from an old grog who took me as the group's kid during my uncle's games :p )
>>50100784Yeah, and form what I know Redguard/Morrowind had a lot of influences from Glorantha and Planescape.
>>50100784they're still in the 2nd edition monster manual.
>>50100662>TES>Actually using ANY of the interesting fluff instead of retconning it into something more generic and easier to do
>>50100642This is gold standard material anon. Please say there's more!
>>50100958It's canon though. Whenever Bosmer have horns or antlers or weird features in ESO and Morrowind that's glamour magic failing.
>>50097301Princess Zelfda and Squeak?
>>50100976Yeah but it's ESO>cue two threads of lorefag whining
>>50100642>>The hidden rogue found himself wondering which side was the true one, the rat or the elfThat is the question, isn't it. Is the woman he thought he knew masquerading as an elf, or is she playing at being a member of the ratfolk? Either way, she's getting something out of maintaining this deception, whether she's pursuing some goal that would be impossible to accomplish in her true form, or more simply desires the thrill of pretending to be something you're not.
>>50100642>>50100082I'd like to see the awkward conversation this must inevitably lead to.
>>50101256Found the TF fetishist.
>>50101256>>50101158>>50100964Taking suggestions for more installments.
>>50101301Honesty, I'm more interested in the "you've been lying to all of us for weeks" sort of awkwardness than any sort of unresolved sexual tension this encounter may have caused.>>50101314That would be my suggestion. Some sort of scenario in which the protagonist seeks an explanation for what he's just seen.
>>50096488Why is my waifu a ratto?
>>50097089>elf>best ratTechnically I think the Nezumi were intentionally stand-ins for the usual elves in FF9. They had many of the traits: two estranged cultural groups (Traditionalist Tree Dwellers and Cosmopolitan Militarists), tall slender bodies with long ears, a catastrophically diminished population, fighting styles based on agility and flexibility, and a character plotline idealizing a love lost in the face of impermanence, the fear of being forgotten.
>>50101314>Stopping at an inn, the MC catches Illysande meeting up with one or more of her fellow Rat-Elves, raising more questions.
>>50101403Because all elves are secretly shapeshifting rats. Says it right there in the OP.
>>50097863Isn't that the plot of Pandamonia comic?
>>50096488I find and hang whoever came up with such a furfag idea.
>>50099160I wouldn't say obsessed. She only cares about good of the society.
>>50099341>Also do they train turtles in ninjutsu when in rat form?Only the most radical ones.
>>50100559Especially since rats are plantigrade.
>>50101619Her actions are those of JUSTICE
>>50101671It's ironic how the plot completely forgets she exists after her arc.
>>50100638What about catfolk?
>>50101732Fucking orcs, man
>>50097293Go back to your tree wife elf scum
>You discover that all elves are secretly shapeshifting rats.I long for the day that /tg/ remembers what "interesting, original ideas" look like and feel ashamed of themselves for ever posting dumb lolrandom shit like this.
>>50101732They're another race that started out as a group of ancient elven LARPers, so their hatred/rivalry with the ratfolk is likewise contrived and mostly for show, even now.
>>50097610N-no we just like monstergirls, r-right?
>>50101764Even a dumb idea can generate some interesting brainstorming, like a pearl forming around a grain of sand. At the least its a harmless and amusing diversion.
>>50101691Reverse kneeposters can't even spell plantigrade.
>>50101764I'm confused as well. This feels like someone took a random dart on which "elf" was written, threw it at a board, hit by chance the word "rat" and decided that this was perfect for a thread.At least the LARP-shapeshifting was fun.
>>50101749I dig it.
>>50101801Ratfolk aren't monster girls, friendo. They're just anthropomorphic rats.
>>50101817>excuses to shitpost
>>50099107How difficult is it to type with paws?
>>50101885We have fingers, silly.
>>50101878>>50101764Stop shitposting about how you hate thing, anon.Nothing is worse for a creative environment than people whose only input is how much they hate everything. Indeed, shitting on any and all ideas are obe of the leading causes of diminishing idea creation.
>>50101953>Nothing is worse for a creative environment than people whose only input is how much they hate everything. >Nothing is worse for a creative environment>creative environmentI've been in creative environments before, this isn't one of them. There is nothing in this thread that will ever amount to an idea worth remembering, regardless of whether or not I point out how shit it all is.
>>50101878I'm not trying to excuse shitposting, but the question becomes, where do you draw the line between a shitpost and a post that is just silly or irreverent?
>>50101987If youve been in creative environments you should know that shitting on anything you dont like is a prwcident that leads to everything, even the stuff you like, getting shit on. It results in no ideas at all, and is one of modern day /tg/s biggest problems.
>>50102014Man, remember the good old days before all these newfags showed up whining about anything not to their tastes?I garuntee you these guys would have done their best to prevent /tg/ from getting anything done, and if asked, would tell us every old project was "shit" or "cringey"
>>50102014>you should know that shitting on anything you dont like is a prwcident that leads to everything, even the stuff you like, getting shit on.Funny that, it's been quite some time since I've seen any of my favorite generals get shat on. And besides, if your idea can't take a little shitting on, then it's not a worthwhile idea to begin with.
>>50102037>/tg/>getting things doneI hope you were making a joke there.
>>50102041>The only things that can survive any more are insular closed off projects, so great is the wave of newfag complainingSorta proving him right
>>50102062>generals>projectsWhat do you think I am, some sort of filthy towergirls faggot?
All this being said, nothing creative or fun will get done if we continue bickering.I like the ideas of one ratfolk or a group of ratfolk impersonating elves to better their own lives, and of a group of ratfolk helping to save a city, and of ancient elves creating the other standard fantasy races out of boredom.The last one I feel has a good deal of potential to be worked into a setting, and would create some interesting interracial and historical dynamics worth exploring.
>>50102059And we've come full circle, to the point where the complainers dont believe anything was ever good.
>>50102079You were the one saying your general was being creative without getting shit on, generalfag.
>>50102085>he actually thinks /tg/ gets anything done/tg/ starts shit, gets bored of it, and the work is completed by an individual or a small group, if it gets completed at all. I've been through this cycle already.
>>50102085We need to gas /v/ honestlyI do like the idea of elves descending from rodents desu, considering they're really, really close to primates genetically.
>>50102101Actually, I never made such a claim. I never said anything about being creative, only that they don't get shat on. I will confess that yes, they do involve a little bit of creativity, but not a single one of them are projects.
>>50102118Oh, you are one of those shitposters who insist people arent /tg/ anymore once they get shit done.A purely contrarian stance adopted so you can argue about it whenever any organization takes credit for anything.
>>50102151You claimed it was creative by bringing it up as a counterexample.I mean, what kind of knob brings up entirely unrelated topics as counterexamples?
>>50102155Well I can't say that my 6 friends and I are /tg/, now can I? There's at least 120 posters per day on average.
>>50102179>You claimed it was creative by bringing it up as a counterexample.Do you like putting words in other peoples' mouths because you know it's the closest thing you'll ever get to a blowjob, or is there some other reason?
>>50102188You can say you are a part of /tg/ super easily.It works the same for literally all organizations. Yes, individual people did the thing, but that doesnt seperate them from the whole."Oh, the army never gets anything done, it starts battles then gets bored and lets individuals finish them."
>>50102229>"Oh, the army never gets anything done, it starts battles then gets bored and lets individuals finish them."You know nothing about how armies work.
>>50101841> like someone took a random dart on which "elf" was written, threw it at a board, hit by chance the word "rat" Curiously this is NOT the first time I've run into this exact idea, it was a pretty common meme in the Warhammer Vermintide threads that the Elven Waywatcher was either a Skaven fetishist (who secretly longed to be captured and violated by the horde) or a Skaven in disguise (just look at that fur and those beady eyes.)
>>50102254I think the point is he does know how they work, and was demonstrating how retarded that individual sentiment was.
>>50102437Then he doesn't know how 4chan works. Once a project stops having threads made about it and all the work on it is being done by an invitation-only group, it is no longer being done by /tg/, it is being done by a bunch of guys who met on /tg/.
>>50097671>elves born as rats prefer to remain as rats>they quickly become uncomfortable in elf form and only use it when threatened
>>50102476>Once soldiers get their orders, they are no longer the armyWhat a contrarian and pointlesd stance
>>50102395I wish the population for that game hadn't crashed. I loved playing it.
>>50102528>soldiers getting their orders>a bunch of guys working on a project without consulting the rest of /tg/ because the board has lost interest in it>remotely comparableWhy exactly do you think the content creators on /tg/ are your servants to boss around?
>>50102561They boss themselves around for the explicit benefit of /tg/.
>>50102586Nah mate, I've been through this process. Trust me, they're doing it for themselves and are only going to show /tg/ the fruit of their labor as gratitude for the bits /tg/ actually did do.
>>50102561>Getting this salty someone pointed out flaws in your stanceLook, it is just kinda retarded to pull the "organizations dont do things because individuals do things" card. It effectively claims no organization has ever done anything.I know you need /tg/ to have never done anything to excuse your shitposts, but the whole construct you've made is broken.
>>50102612As someone who has actually been through this process, your stance has historically been used only as an excuse to shitpost, with no actual thought behind it.
>>50102617>/tg/>an organizationYou could call /tg/ a group, but it's no more an organization than the patrons of any given tavern.
>>50102504That could explain the propagation of artificial Elf-LARP races.
>>50102637>As someone who has actually been through this processWhich project did you work on then? I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.
>>50102650The argument works just as well if you replace every instance of organization with group, though.
>>50102666A magical school system, a few rules lights, drawfagging and writefagging.The drawfagging was baaad though
>>50102677I like this
>>50102673Really? Let's try that:>one member of a group has an idea for a new thing>a significant portion of the group gets excited and starts contributing>after a while all interest is lost except for 7 guys>those 7 guys distance themselves from the group and work together to see the idea through to completion, not making any further contact with the group about itNow who gets shit done here: the group, or the 7 guys?
>>50102729The group and the seven guys.That is how statements about groups work.
>>50102696A setting and accompanying system (pretty rules light) that had to be built from the ground up. We ended up using core mechanics I've never seen in another system.
>>50102759Yeah, a big part of the magical school shit i provided was mechanics.Had a lot to do with branches of magic, multipliers, and maintaining consistency within spells
>>50102749Wrong, the group didn't complete shit. If the 7 guys hadn't buggered off and worked on it on their own, nothing would've been completed.
>>50102802>America doesnt get anything done, just individuals!>The stock market never gets anything done, just individualsHonestly, your statement is rediculous when applied to any group whose members claim or identify they are part of the group.
>>50102802>>50102835>The tabletop industry never gets anything done!Except for the hundreds of tabletop works, i guess.
>>50102677Just about perfect!
>>50102835>whose members claim or identify they are part of the group.Here's the thing: we cut back our 4chan browsing time drastically and stopped identifying as fa/tg/uys when the project left the board; from then on, we were the guys working on the project.
>>50102395I just got that game on halloween sale.It rocks! Though bolt staffs are the most finnicky little extremely powerful bitches.
>>50102884>Take a 4chan idea for your own and claiming it is all yours, with no helpWell, that is outright despicable. Cite your sources next time you make a thing, that is just ethics.
>>50102926Oh, boo fucking hoo. Even if we hadn't cited our sources in the final pdf, it wouldn't matter. /tg/ still wouldn't have finished shit, we would have.
>>50102884Iy isnt that easy to escape /tg/ anon.You are infected, down to the bone.
>>50102981Oh, please, I haven't been here in months. I'm only here now because staring into this shithole of an abyss is still less painful than writing the resume I'm supposed to be working on.
>>50102960Your contributions are immaterial. If you hadnt claimed you were working on it, someone else would have. Probably still did.
>>50103005Why are you lying to yourself, anon?If you could escape, you would have, given your apparent hatred of the place.
>>50103016>Your contributions are immaterial.Oh, so participating in all playtests, coming up with new character traits and abilities, creating factions, writing up boss monsters, and developing solutions to newfound mechanical issues is immaterial now? Good lord, I'd hate to have been stuck with you for any of my group projects back in high school.>If you hadnt claimed you were working on it, someone else would have. Probably still did.Funny joke. People with enough attention span and determination to see things through to the end when there isn't a paycheque riding on it are scarce on /tg/.
Can we somehow not spend the last forty posts in this thread arguing about shitposting, creativity and who is a true fa/tg/uy or not?
>>50096488Sause? She seems like a qt.
>>50103094No, because in the end I'm right: this idea is worthless. If it had any potential or merit, I would've been ignored and people would've gone on talking about it.
>>50103094Sure. The other guy is just trying to moralize his shitposts anyhoo.
>>50103148Its a dungeon meshi character that is mousey for reasons i am unaware of
>>50102530Do you still play?Theres a free weekend right now
>>50101314Following ratelf on her trip to some tunnels?
>find lost and scared rat-elf child>what do?
>>50103361Report for shitposting.
>>50103361Figure out why the fuck elves are rats?Like, it is a good question
>>50103205I don't know why she is all mousey either but the artist is called Akunim for those who want to know
>>50103405Sweet, anon delivers
>>50103361Is the child a rat or an elf when you find it, or is it maybe jumping between its two forms, unsure of what to do?I guess in any case, the first thing to do would be to try and calm the child and find out what happened, before trying to take it home or to someplace safe if going home isn't an option. Also, I'd be seriously puzzling over what this Rat-Elf child was if knowledge of their existence wasn't well known.
>>50103205>>50103405It's a shame the series got licensed, especially since I have a felling it's never coming overseas.
>>50097886I...I feel like you're talking about a specific show there, I really hope that hasn't actually happened.
>>50103624You can still find places to read it.Id give you a link, but i am phoneposting and i need a desktops worth of e-condoms to go to shady manga sites.I can get you a link in like 4 hours.
The last elf I played shapeshifted into a rat once actually
>>50103867was it a lad or a ladyif it was a lady gib details
>>50103624The first chapter is here:http://pepperanon.blogspot.de/2015/06/dungeon-meshi-c01.htmlThe rest here:https://ehscans.wordpress.com/dungeon-meshi/Enjoy it as long as you can.
At the very least, this thread has given me the idea that big city elves who have been forced into homelessness might be called Rat Elves, Gutter Elves or Sewer Elves.Also, it seems that someone's thrown the thread up onto Sup/tg/:http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Of+Ratfolk+and+Elves
>>50103624>It's a shame the series got licensed, especially since I have a felling it's never coming overseas.Is there something I don't know about?
>>50101987Then fuck off to some other thread faggot.
>>50103966>>50104279Does this mean i no longer have to get links for you guys?
>>50104229There is this trend, i've noticed, where Japanese publishers will try to find the english translations of the their manga and gives them a cease and desist notification because they don't make any money from it. Despite the fact that it never gets released for purchase overseas.
>>50104304If you don't want to.
>>50104229It got licensed by Yen Press, which have a bad reputation. Translation might take ages, while they try to shut down any fan translations, or they don't even publish it, but just bought the license so that nobody else gets money out of this. You might ask /a/, they know more about this.
>>50104311But if they got licensed, doesn't that mean it's coming to the west?
>>50104350Probably not. See >>50104333
>>50104350In any form of media, it's not uncommon for a company to buy a license and never use it simply so no one else can use it. Cause while they don't think they want to right now, big business dictates you should always horde just in case you want to decades down the line. Doesn't matter this practice is actively destructive to the media in question because economics doesn't run on logic or intellect.
>>50104389I hate economics.
>>50104426Hate the copyright.
>>50104426As do we all, but I put this down to big business putting upstart companies down.
>>50104389Well, it's their loss if my money doesn't interest them.Also, how is that gonna stop people doing translations and spreading them over the internet? For every C&D there's torrents, megas and shit all over the place to host them.
>>50104389Sad but true"Better to have and not need than let somebody else have it and use it"
>>50104426>>50104463>>50104464Well, better stop buying all their products then, and get rid of everything you own.
>>50104333>>50104389We could just brigade emails till they release the volumes... I can dream.
>>50104494Oh just read on a manga site that doesn't care about cease and desists.
>>50104493Don't worry I'm so poor I'm selling most of everything I own anyway, including my organs!
>>50104493I am going the opposite route, where i attemp to play dirty pool until i have a food monopol and military force, then declaring capitalism over.
>>50103361Lead her to the nearest reasonable authority figure.
>>50104471Surely there's clauses to such behavior. I mean, if I license my product to a company and they just sit on it, never making me any money, I'm sure there some line in the contract that if they're not gonna do anything with it, causing me to lose money because of it, they lose the license, right? Isn't that why Sony put out all those terrible movies, just so they wouldn't have to give up Spiderman and F4n74571c right?
>>50104548I doubt such rules are consistent across all media. Not to mention it's entirely Japan doing it's own thing where Spiderman and Fantastic 4 are American IPs and beholden to American contracts and laws.
>>50104648>I doubt such rules are consistent across all media.I know, but surely someone can't just license my IP and sit on it. I can understand someone buying some old IP that's been floating around, but something like this surely would come with some strings attached. I sure as hell would make sure in the contract that they'd also publish something, so I can get the royalties from it. Otherwise it's just sabotage. It's not like I can give the license to someone else. Not in the US/North America, anyway. Maybe if Yen fucks them, they can find a publisher in Europe or something, but lets face it, Japs ain't that interested on foreign markets to begin with.
>>50104852>I know, but surely someone can't just license my IP and sit on it.As I understand it, many renewal clauses are just for that purpose, granting the holder rights to renew before contract expiration and, by extention, before anyone else can make a move for the rights
Why not just use Ratfolk wholesale?
>>50105051TF fetish, mostly.
>>50105051Because it'll be interesting to see how the one player who won't shut up about his elf waifu takes the news.
>>50101158>Is the woman he thought he knew masquerading as an elf, or is she playing at being a member of the ratfolk? At first I'd guess it was just an elf being an weird artiste-actor as they do, but given how she both kept and ate a selection of scrap-food she previously scoffed at publicly I'd guess the rat is her private, more comfortable form, while the elf is her public mask. Otherwise she'd have made the point of eating that food in her rat form more publicly to act out her role as a rat, instead of alone before she set out (as if to fill an actual need.)Now interesting options are that the elven form could be some sort of ancestral form they degenerated from (perhaps this is how many of the ancient elven societies collapsed) or it could be that they was once a rat species uplifted by ancient elves to the point of being more than slightly ashamed that arn't the now dead society they've pretend at inheriting.
>>50105124Oh, those are some interesting takes on the premise.
>>50105124Elves are seen as the progenitor race because almost all races have some relation to them then?>RatsWhilst some Rats have been seen transforming from and to Elven form, it is usually brushed off as really good transformation magic. What it really is is ancestral magic, allowing the Rats to turn back into their true form almost at will.>HumansMost likely to have children bearing elven features i.e. pointy ears, pale hair, long of limb, etc.>Non-Fey & Fey RacesThe simplest way to discern whether someone is Fey-born is to travel to an Elven outpost and attempt to activate some magical sigils. For some reason only the Elves and those derived from them can make them work.
I want to fuckthat elf
>>50105974yeah, it's pretty hot.
But we still haven't answered the most important question in this thread.WouldYouFuckTheRat-folk?
>>50106176>>50106262I'd do moucille.And that ink eyes.
2 Ayes1 NayLooks like we're screwing the Rat-folk in exchange for not revealing her secret.
>>50106495That seems kind of mean and exploitative. I wouldn't really want to do that to cute rat people.
>>50101314Seconding >>50103289Wanting to see more of her adventures before I form an opinion on whether to forgive her or not.
>>50106493wait why is there moreWHERE DID IT COME FROM I CHECKED THE DAMN SOURCE
Gauging interest in a new thread. Is there anyone still left? Can/Should we continue?
>>50106598Maybe launch a more general-purpose ratfolk thread that will gain more attention, in which these ideas can be discussed?
>>50106655That's sounds like an amazing idea!Why don't you get right on that whilst I pass out from staying for 3 days straight?!
>>50106684Damn, man! Get some sleep! Feel better!
For anyone still reading this, it seems that someone else has already started an un-related ratfolk thread:>>50105316Not quite the same, but we might be able to have some interesting discussions.
>>50107895Either you are the artist or you have a direct link to sources I do not.Either way, that mouse is hot man.
>>50107911Heh, yeah, I drew the thing. Someone linked me the thread not too long ago. It's been a blast to read, and I'm always humbled whenever anyone thinks something I drew is good enough to share!Dunno how much longer this thread has, but if you have an idea for a rat-cille I'll draw it for ya!
>>50107895I wonder how'd she's react if I scratched her behind her ears? Hopefully with lewd noises
>>50107971Not much that isn't blatantly pornographic.So instead just draw her grossed out at some dungeon food. That's like 90% of what she does anyway.
>>50107895>>50106493Really great drawings! Maybe that other ratfolk thread would appreciate some more drawings, if you're in the mood to do some more.>>50104101>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=Of+Ratfolk+and+ElvesJust reminding any remaining folk to vote the thread up, if you have a mind to.
>>50101619>>50101697Those fat ears make my dick go doki doki.
>>50108396Amazing.Also exploitable as fuck.I will hope to hunt your art source down so I can view any future mouseposts.Is there like, a place you put these? I hate to ask you to shill, but I would like some.