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>>50054951
Christening new thread with SHIPS!

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postan miniatures for a change

>>50055605
I can't wait until STO's printing service goes live

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>>50055642
Could be good. Thinking of printings, I wonder if ye olde dildoships are available? Would be neat to have a few of the SFM designs hanging around.

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>>50055721
Apparently the thing is going to work in a way where you take a picture of your ship in game and then send it through cryptic to the printers.

So if you have U.S.S. Dragondildo on your list of ships then you will definitely get it.

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>>50055793
I don't play STO though so their service is not particularly useful to me.

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huh, turns out there is a bunch of the SFM and even the ugly FASA designs on shapeways. So that's something.

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>>50054951
Post Halloween hangovers, no doubt.

And to that I say MORE KANAR

>>50056011
If you wanted a specific ship you could probably get it with a couple days of playing. Nearly every vessel has a variant within the Tier-1 to Tier-5 range, most of which come as free upgrades at certain ranks.

>>50056295
And if your particular favorite ship isn't among those ships you will have to pay or grind an enormous amount of Dilithium to exchange to zen and then buy it.

>>50056322
All the same, for most zen-only ships there's a cheaper option (500-1000). And apparently you can buy ships on the exchange for energy credits.

>>50056419
Those ships are lockbox ships, which are astronomically expensive.
Also your EC is locked at 10M until you buy a lock remover from zen shop.
It's some 100 Zen (1$) if i remember right.

>>50056011
>>50056122
Hold up. What's that little cutie hanging out with the T'Liss Warbird?

>>50056449
Given I'm probably going to be shelling out about 25-40 bucks for the model, that doesn't seem too bad.

>>50056488
Probably closer to $100 based on what I've seen on euc3d's site

>>50056488
What particular ship did you have in mind?
If it's the original connie that's 5 bucks.
Original Excelssior, 10.
Lakota refit 20.

>>50056504
To start with, a decent Nebula class with my headcanon ship name and number.
If that goes well, then I want an Ar'kif Warbird.

>>50056538
You are in luck then.
Ar'kif is among the last ships you can get for free as a Romulan while Nebula is for ten bucks in zen store.
Considering the fact that Nebula is a tier 3 ship, i think it would be possible for you to take it as a Romulan, just as long as you ally with feds when you have to choose.

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>>50056466
Skyhawk class destroyer

>>50057760
Nightwind a best.

>>50056122
>on shapeways
Never used shapeways because I've always been wary of such things, does it actually go well?

>>50056863
What is that a shot from, having all that information up front instead of having to leaf through the insane number of books would be nice.

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>>50058315
Never used shapeways, can't justify the expense for decent sized models.

The image is from A Call To Arms: Star Fleet Battles.

>>50058544
>A Call To Arms: Star Fleet Battles.
Thats why I never saw it, and why it looked odd, okay, I might have to try that out. Simple starfleet would be nice.

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>TFW I guess I'm the Prometheus class fag of the thread.
So how does this >>50056122 for a ship that splits apart in canon? Can I get my favorite ship in 3 pieces and have them peg together or magnetize them to stick together? Actually is there a decent sized model kit for pic related?

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>>50056258
Ok what space liquor do you wish you could get drunk on?
>Kanar
>High proof maple syrup
>NOPE! I don't even think Canucks would drink that crap but I could be wrong.
Romulan Ale doesn't sound so bad just don't get drunk on it I guess.

>>50059262
I figure Kanar would be like Black Rum. If you've ever seen Kraken Rum, it has the same consistency and look of Kanar.

Romulan Ale sounds like Moonshine or Poitin. Really fucking strong and liable to burn out your sinuses.

Other than that, most drinks seem very similar to their Earth counterparts.

>>50059328
>Romulan Ale sounds like Moonshine or Poitin. Really fucking strong and liable to burn out your sinuses.
From what I recall from the WoK novelization, Romulan Ale seems to hit you all at once, there's no delay with the buzz.

That sound like anything (not a drinker, sorry).

>>50059719
Very strong spirits. So the poitin/moonshine comparison works.

>>50059328
I always figured Kanar would be more like a sort of like a fermented fish/soy flavour with about 8-12% alcohol.

>>50060232
Kanar is a liquor though, so it's a lot stronger than 8-12%. More like 40%. I could see a fishy taste though, the Cardassians do love their fish juice.

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>tfw no TOS-era Constitution modernization that rubs me sufficiently
>they all have the saucer's neck too short, the nacelle pylons swept/curvy/not straight and TOS like, lack faithful bussard scoops, or have the nacelles too thick/detailed

Why is it this hard

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>>50061376
Thoughts on this one? It's from 2006, but you can see where some of the JJprise's design features originated from.

>>50062651
If it didn't have that stupid parabola deflector dish, I'd almost like it.

Not >>50061376 I just really hate the stupid parabolas.

>>50062711
>stupid parabolas.
You're stupid.

>>50062651
I dislike the color scheme of it. The Constitution is that weird off white the Feds use not the gunmetal of the 2370s and onward.

>>50062711
So you don't like the Feddie inventory of the 2360s then? Because until the Enterprise Refit, they were using the shield dish on everything.

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>>50062651
Too much stuff going on, and the fuselage /engineering deck is too detailed and sculpted for no reason. The limeish off-white color is required, and the nacelles need to be a simple straight tube to compliment the fuselage's tapered tube.

I need to learn 3d modeling instead of perfecting the art of bitching.

>>50059262
id like to give klingon bloodwine a try since even just a bit is enough to get a human smashed

>>50061376
Didn't we have a story a few threads ago about a deranged Vulcan fighting Dominion in a resurrected Connie?

>>50064754
Yes, we did. Then salty people who hate reading told writers to stop posting Trekfic here.

>>50063350
You've gotta wonder just what's in there.

>>50062852
>So you don't like the Feddie inventory of the 2360s then? Because until the Enterprise Refit, they were using the shield dish on everything.
2260s, you mean? The 2360s are well past the Enterprise Refit. And remember, they didn't have the goldrabola on ENT NX-01.

>>50065529
I don't think anybody complained about the Vulcan, or any of the prior fictions, for that matter.

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>>50065868
>>50065529
Does anyone have it saved?

>>50066061
I don't think so. The basic premise was that this Vulcan had served through all of the worst periods of the Federation's history and had gone pants-on-head crazy. Now he tools around in an up-gunned connie on the edge of Federation space, waiting for the next thing to go wrong.

So has there been any new news about that new Star Trek Series or is it dead in the tracks? Everything I heard about it till now aims for a deadborn project.

>>50066301
Kinda looks like it's falling apart. Fuller has pulled back from being showrunner to just executive producer. So now he's much less involved.

>>50066301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbPvM6zPnOw

Sounds like Fuller got into "creative differences" territory and was sidelined.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDoQgZqt6JE

Budget has supposedly been adjusted.

As far as I've heard the production shoot is supposed to start November but until it begins there's still a chance CBS might pull the plug. I find it odd though since they publicized the main lead to intentionally be a female minority and Fuller wanting a lead played by an openly gay actor that they haven't published a cast list or done any major publicity I'm aware of for a series that's supposed to be pay walled.

>>50066386
>>50066621

I can't say I'm surprised. Pretty much since VOY the networks who've owned Trek haven't known what to do with it.

I'd rather Trek die than get a shitty new show anyway.

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>>50066621
I'm guessing the series is going to be DOA. And will be like what's in the link but from the extreme liberal pov. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJuqOnNCCA
Sorry about how horrible this is but I'm trying to make a point. Don't let Christians do Trek parodies, people.

>>50066828
>Captain ReTard
>Guitar riffing Klingon

I don't know man, this sounds like a good base for a Red vs. Blue-esque STO webseries.

>>50066939
Dude, the people that made that are fucking dead serious about the shit they are spitting out in it. This is not satire >>50066828 they actually hate Star Trek and think it's from the devil. And if there are actual aliens in space they believe they have to make them Christians or purge them. THIS PEOPLE ARE EVIL!

>>50067034
They sound more like misguided imperial inquisitors/ecclesiarchs.

>>50067034
>Dude, the people that made that are fucking dead serious about the shit they are spitting out in it.

I understood that.

I'm saying that a character named Capt. ReTard and guitar riffing klinks totally would work for me in an STO-based web series.

>>50066233
How is this not a series all by itself?

Give me one moment for creative juices and cheap whiskey to flow freely.

>>50067064
>They sound more like misguided imperial inquisitors/ecclesiarchs.
>Crazy Christians
I think they are the same thing. So why aren't there any earth religions left in Trek? Did humans wise up and burn all the 'Holy' books and kill all the follows. Or did all the religion whack jobs off themselves first time they saw a Vulcan. I hope the latter.

have some random cat poetry, curtosy of Data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0mw2X7S3kE

>>50067158
Much like how the Federation's economy works, the best answer we have is 'it just does'.

>>50067576
aka, shit that Gene didn't want to talk about because he thought current way was double plus bad, but didn't have an alternative or a good enough reason as to why something is or is not around.

>>50067158
In TOS, Kirk mentions that they've outgrown it. I think there's more expo about it in Who Mourns for Adonais. It's similar to their stance about outgrowing "race" by treating "Negro" as just another word. There was no explicit exposition about what actually happened to organized religion that I can remember.

>>50067596

> double plus bad
> bad

Crimethink detected

>>50067983
You will never take me alive!

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>>50067596
Well, it is pretty hard to explain how people on mass can 'outgrow' what is apparently a fundamental psychological thingy.

>>50068165
>Sci-fi humans
>outgrow religion
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
FUCK YOU GENE I HOPE YOU ENJOY ROASTING IN WHATEVER NINE LEVELS OF HELL YOU ENDED UP IN.
Everytime this happens in sci-fi I call it bullshit.

>>50068165
And which almost every other alien species still has a strong spirituality.
Star Trek's superior human no faith thing is really disgusting at times because they all turned into pinko commies. Better dead than red I say.

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>>50068422
What does this count as for my bingo card? Is it feds are evil or pussies?

>>50069036
Why not both?

>>50069036
Feds are evil, I think.

>>50059057
What's the point of putting warp nacelles on the two top parts when only the bottom one has a deflector?

>>50069213

Retractable Holographic Deflector Array.

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>>50059057
By the look of it, like this: http://www.shapeways.com/product/5QJDAEUSZ/prometheus-class-1-7000?optionId=60859006

So that's the 3 bits and a fully assembled ship. I don't know how big that is though as I think the multiple pieces are distorting the size readout. But it's probably fairly small given it's 1/7000 scale, likely intended to be used as a game piece. There's others though ,a quick search of just 'Prometheus class' gave a whole bunch of results.

1/7000 scale Sovereign and Defiant I found whilst looking for reference.

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>>50068165
Just ignore it.

It was another example of Roddenberry going Full Lucas. Before they tried letting him out without a handler The Connie Enterprise had a chapel and after he fucked off and died Sisko's soon to be wife mentioned that her family thought that the marriage should have been conducted by a minister rather than an admiral.

In 23c - 25c humanity has a personal religious side but is kept personal.

The whole muh Athiusm utoputha is right up the with the whole "interpersonal conflict has been left behind" bull shit.

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>>50069213
>What's the point of putting warp nacelles on the two top parts when only the bottom one has a deflector?
All three parts have a deflector, it is just hidden away in a recess in the Alpha and Beta sections. This intern map shows the one in the Alpha section and the Beta section has one too but it's not shown on there. You can see on the triangle nose of the beta section >>50059057 a recess just behind the tip which I'm guess is where it's deflector is.

>>50071078
>The whole muh Athiusm utoputha is right up the with the whole "interpersonal conflict has been left behind" bull shit.
Which is kind of hilarious when it comes to Trek because it seems somebody really went to a lot of trouble to flesh out the religions of a lot of the other alien races. The Klingons have whole arcs and books written about their spirituality for fucks sake. Not to mention the big ear guys and the nose ridge people, why can't human people be this fleshed out in trek? Are there any sci-fi settings that actually do future human religion right? Because Star Trek seems incredibly passive aggressive about humans being spiritual for some reason.

>>50073731

>sf with fleshed out human religion

Dune, maybe.

>>50071078
>>50073731

The problem with "fleshed out human religions" in sci-fi is that there's basically two ways to do it, and they both suck ass.

1: Either they're the same religions we have today or evolutions thereof. Bear in mind that Trek is set between 150-400 years in the future, spanning the timeline between ENT and STO. That's a LOT of time as far as tech and secular authorities go, but in terms of religion it's a drop in the bucket. Thus, we have the problem that you're bringing real-life sectarian issues into the setting.

For example, if you portray a Bajoran character who's a maverick and an asskicker and eventually wins the begrudging respect of Captain Picard, who gives her permission to go off-uniform regs and wear her space-religion caste earring, that's fine. Nobody cares.

Now instead of Ro Laren, cast Cote de Pablo and make it Space Ziva David who wins the right to wear a yarmulke. Suddenly everybody who hates Jews is taking issue with the show and crying "Oy gevalt" on the interwebs, even if the character has otherwise been, well, Ziva David, a certified 110% badass.

And god help you if you try to depict a faithful Muslim character. Even if you literally modeled him or her after a U.S. military Medal of Honor winner/KIA hero who died saving their buddies from a grenade or something, it'll take the Internet Hate Machine all of 0.25 nanoseconds after the character's faith is revealed for people to question when they're going to hijack the ship and allahu ackbar into the Great Western Satan or whatever.

Which brings us to Option 2: Make up some high holy horseshit about some new religion, either alien or homegrown, having swept the planet Earth like wildfire in the time between real life and the show, having effectively done away with all Terrestrial religions in place of itself. This will inevitably invite Scientology comparisons and accusations of being unrealistic.

>>50074153
So, really, the LEAST controversial option is saying that, on the whole, humanity has lost its need for religion. This is not implausible, as statistically speaking, the better-educated and more liberal a population gets, the less religious it gets. So just project from there.

>>50073731
Hammer's Slammers books mostly keep current religion, and at least one book goes into detail as to why there are Muslims IN SPACE.

>>50073772
>Dune, maybe.
I don't really know the backstory of that setting well so I'd need to look into it.
But there is a sci-fi setting where religion is very important but I think it's the version of doing everything 'wrong' in a way.
>TFW Warhammer 40k
Oh boy, does it make out religion to be an evil oppressive thing and just a tool to control the masses. In a way it does do bits of it realistically in a way but wow is it such a parody of what we think religion should be.

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>>50074177
It seems really cowardly of the guys that make Trek to do this because they seem to tackle a lot of the other issues like racism and sexism head on. Why do they have such a fear of human religion, just say that even in the future with starships having a little faith isn't a bad thing. And just be done with it, why can't they just do that and just leave it there? So and so is a Sikh and wears the head dress with a star fleet uniform. Would anyone even care? Or would they all be he could be a secret augment or some shit? Since it's a guy with just a head scarf is this that big a deal?

>>50074322
>I don't really know the backstory of that setting well so I'd need to look into it.
The ban on AI and other advanced technology is quite literally a Crusade/Jihad rolled into one. Paul Atreides and his mother Jessica utilize the Bene Gesserit's tactic of seeding messiah myths on to primitive planets to start a Jihad that subjugates humanity under the hand of Muad'dib. Dune has a ton of religious work put into it.

>>50074756
To Americans? Yes. There is no easy way to make faith a plot point to us. The Sikh thing is fine, but most writers are so terrible at nuance that religious characters are quite literally defined by their religion, not by their character or actions.

>>50074756

Because religious folks* tend to be very particular about media that depicts religious stories. That awful Noah movie with Russel Crowe was somewhat interesting because it was drawing on the rest of Genesis to build up the world that Noah lived in. And let's face it, Genesis is weird (in a good way).

But religious folks* hated the movie and felt it was disrespectful to their faith and sensibilities. I remember hearing about the shitty Ben-Hur remake that they were going to respect audience's religious views.

Which is bizarre because Ben-Hur was written by a Christian. Nothing in the book being translated to the screen should be offensive, and yet, religious folks* likely haven't read the book, and just as likely don't understand their own faith as well as they aught to.

*By religious folks, I mean allegedly Christian Americans.

>>50074857
>but most writers are so terrible at nuance that religious characters are quite literally defined by their religion
Funny, it seems they can do it well enough in Trek with the religious aliens but when it comes humans they get the running shits. I just wish for humans in this setting that weren't so flat is that too much to ask?

>>50074965
The Writers for DS9 made a conscious effort to make the Bajoran and Klingon religions feel real and not two dimensional. Dare to compare Chakotay's Indian clusterfuck in Voyager. And like >>50074153 said, someone somewhere will scream and bitch about any religion on TV. (Personally I find it difficult to imagine some religions lasting after we get into space, but I suspect we'll see Palestinians and Israelis fighting until the end of time)

>>50075084
>Dare to compare Chakotay's Indian clusterfuck in Voyager.
Well, tb h a lot of the writing in Voyager besides stuff having to deal directly with Chakotay was a clusterfuck. They should have set down an idea first what tribe/region he was from and just worked from there instead of just throwing whatever seemed like a good idea at the time at the plot. The Native Americans in that one TNG episode seemed to be given a fair showing but I could be wrong. It can be done right the writers and actors just have to put in the effort.

>>50075084
Maybe WW3 'fixed' the Israel/Palestine thing. That's always an option I guess if not a great one.

But yes, the DS9 guys were absolutely trying. Even Quark shows signs of faith (and not just that dream sequence). It's pretty much just in passing but it's there all the same. And I've seen a whole bunch of westerns that managed to have more respectful treatment of native american cultures than the staff on Voyager managed because (probably Rick Berman's fault) they couldn't pick a tribe and stick to it. Didn't they even manage confuse north, south and central american practices?

>>50075365
I feel like they were like "Righto, we have a Native American on the bridge, and this is all the representation we need. He's a massive clusterfuck, and we still have a literal mary sue in a skintight bodysuit, but we're totally as progressive as every other trek series now!"

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>>50076823
>"battlecruiser"
>Constitution with bigger fuselage, multiple deflectors on aft and fore
>extra nacelle for quick deployment

too practical to dislike

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>>50078340
But the Federation is a Dreadnought. Why wouldn't you want to serve on the USS Star League?

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>>50078384
Huh, I thought it was a battlecruiser.

>>50078564
It's upsized by a full quarter compared to the standard Connie, going by the old blueprints. It's a *big* ship.

Late night bump.

>>50074756
Sikhs are over-the-top awesome badasses, but put one in a TV show, and you will have one of two problems.

One: You will need AT LEAST three episodes dedicated to explaining to the dumbfuck mainstream audience what a Sikh is, how Sikhism is not Islam, and that not everybody who wears a turban is an Arab Muslim.

Two: Durka durka muhammad jihad-stani is all that the dumbfucks who hear "Sikh" or see 'turban' will hear.

Same if you try to put any gurkhas in. Shinto, buddishm/hinduism, asatru? Forgetaboutit, those are weird things that mainstream murican chucklefucks either don't know about, or consider yet more heresy.

It's easier for them to accept a spacefuture in which ALL human religions are gone, than one in which human religions WHICH ARE NOT THEIRS are still around.

>>50081015
It also helps that 2 of the religions we see in Trek have tangible roots in reality. The Bajorans don't just believe that there are spirits looking after them, there are literally trans-dimensional beings watching their backs except for when the Cardassians showed up to "culturally enrich" them.

And then we have the Klingons, whose gods were alien invaders. Hence the Klingon belief that they killed their gods because they were too much trouble.

>>50081802
That, too.

Though, it makes me wonder... What WERE the prophets doing when the Spoonheads were busy LITERALLY raping, pillaging and plundering Bajor? Having an extradimensional circlewank?

>>50074756
Why is it cowardly? It's always been a core part of Trek's message that religion is often inspired by real events (Apollo, that time those space natives thought Kirk was a god, that guy from Star Trek V, Picard in Who Watches the Watchers, the Prophets) but is useless for actually understanding them. People who study these things for what they are always understand them better than people who blindly worship them. If something is real, science will be able to explain it eventually. If it isn't real, you shouldn't believe in it.

>>50082136
>If it isn't real, you shouldn't believe in it.
>TFW what about Q? Or other beings at his power level? Aren't they 'Gods'?
I wouldn't blindly worship beings trying to trick me. But what Q does aren't tricks. Where is all your logic and science when a fucker can literally play with the very fabric of the universe and even bring the dead back to life if they wanted. What the heck do you call those things if not 'gods'? What can you do against a guy that can genocide a whole species with but a thought? The way the show treats Q is so stupid. They should be scared shitless of Q vs something like the Borg since the Q could if they wanted wipe the Borg out with a finger snap. But don't because they want to see how really smart their pets are.

>>50082244
Q and all of Trek's other super-beings would fall under the category of
>If something is real, science will be able to explain it eventually.
Picard may fear Q and what he can do, but that fear never crosses the line into religious awe. Even when Picard seems to die and meets Q, who claims to be God, Picard doesn't believe it for an instant.

>>50081895
The spoonheads also kicked the Bajorans out of an ancient and useless caste system that's been holding them back and rearranged their culture.

Cardassia did a great service preparing the Bajoran people for life on the larger stage and it costs less lives than if they had been left to their own devices.

>>50078585
One Quarter while the contemporary enemy dreads of the era were over 50% bigger and offered at least a full 2x increase on weapons. Federation class barely had any increase on weapon power over connie. Sure she had more but not more powerful.

>>50082295
What he means is every time a Q appeared in the series it should have been a moment of "o-shit, we gonna die!" not the buddy comedy we got.
Also remember, just because you can explain something doesn't mean you can do dick about it. When Q can literally make your Anti-Q doodad literally not exist, yeah your pretty much boned

>>50082418
>Anti-Q doodad
I don't think that would be possible with help from others also at a Q level of power. Like that one incredibly stupid episode of Voyager where they are fighting a Q civil war with whatever period props they had available like muskets and the outfits that went with them. There is not counter at their level of tech to reality warper unless it's from another of their kind I think. So if a 'God' shows up on your doorstep step can you not be such a passive aggressive prick, Patrick? I really REALLY hate it when they do that. Just give 'God' what he wants and get the fuck out of there people. Stop trying to be superior pricks to 'him' that can turn everyone you ever cared about into toads with a snap of his fingers. I wonder if there are any stories about other races in Trek crossing paths with a Q or the like. I wonder how dickish were they before 'God' slap them upside the head?

Question! What does "God" need with a starship?

>>50082753
>Question! What does "God" need with a starship?
When 'God' was being a little shit the other 'Gods' put him in 'Time Out' for like forever. I guessing they also made it so 'God' couldn't use any of his own power to get out. Because it wouldn't be much of a 'Time Out' if he could. I'm guessing the 'Gods' that put 'God' there never thought anyone would stupid enough to go to there and give 'God' another way to escape.
>BOY WERE THEY WRONG!
Some times it really is true, that saying: There are places man was never meant to tread.

>>50082418
It's obvious that the Q outmatch everyone else in power. Nobody's arguing that. But that's no reason to give up all self-respect and become simpering toadies.

It's not even certain that groveling and worship would be the best survival strategy for dealing with the Q. Time and time again, the Continuum has shown interest in humanity's ability to improve themselves and expand their minds. Worshiping anyone more powerful than you is not compatible with that.

>>50082901
Well if he was never meant to tread a place, why did the gods make him smart enough to tread there?

>>50083084
In Trek's case, the "gods" didn't make them, the precursors did.

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>>50078564
I actually like the abramsverse one... this worries me. But I suspect it's a consequence of it fixing the proportions and positioning problems of that style's Constitution class.

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>>50083651

That's because the Konnie has some really shitty placement of the nacelle pylons (not to mention their really ugly curve), and the nacelles themselves are too far back on the pylons/pylons are too far forward where they attack to the nacelles, giving them an ungainly look.

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>>50083806
This is where I'd post a link to that one page explaining how Jefferies' original was designed with the golden ratio firmly in mind and that's why it's proportions and placement are so very well done. But I can't get to the page so it might be dead.

The two greatest improvements I think the refit ship had in terms of shape was slightly bulking up the neck and sweeping the nacelle pylons a bit. All the rest of the hard work he'd already done a decade earlier.

>>50082391
The Federation's Pathfinder of the class was built on a modified Constitution hull, however. Also, the Federation by these old blueprints had 6 more phaser banks, 2 more torpedo tubes, moved the saucer bridge to the center of the saucer, added a second one to the secondary hull, and the addition of that third nacelle meant the saucer could fight independently.

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I wish EVA suits had more use in star trek

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>>50085530
They technically should, but were very expensive for tv show budgets. The only reason Voyager used them as much as they did was because First Contact happened and a movie-budget allowed for them to make several that didn't look like shit.

>>50067599
>Who Mourns for Adonais

Kirk rebuffs Apollo saying "Mankind has no need for gods. We find the one quite adequate." which kinda implies that Christianity ( or at least some other Montheistic religion) is still around, of course I suppose it's possible he might just be saying it to piss Apollo off so take it as you will.

>>50085530
I'm surprised they don't have robots doing the hazardous shit everywhere from TNG on out.

>>50085828
Wasn't the original script going to JUST say "Mankind has no need for gods." but the censors got uppity again?

>>50085828
Knowing James T. Kirk?

He was talking about himself. Or about his penis. Or possibly the Prime Directive.

It was probably his penis.

>>50085888
The budget for THAT would have been even worse.

>>50085888
That's kinda against the point of the setting and telling stories about people more than their technologies. Robotics taken to their logical extent in star trek would replace all human components of starships and their crews, The Ultimate Computer style, but without being fucked up.

>>50085938
>The budget for THAT would have been even worse.

Not really. The reason I remember for Data being unique was his positronic brain. His physical architecture should have been rather easy to replicate and used as a remote drone or simple task executor, i.e. guy with makeup/costume.

>>50085888
But that's a violation of robot's rights! #Exocomplivesmatter

I thought id let you guys know that the crystalline entity event is on again and this time the special reward for doing it for X amount of days in a row is a Tholian assault weapon.

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>>50086013
Exocomp lives DO matter.

That's why you don't use Exocomps. You use an Exocomp chassis with traditional computer thinky-bits.

Because nobody gives a fuck about robot drones. Just make DAMN sure it's a drone and not a real Exocomp.

>>50086017
I think I'm more excited about the 50k dilithium

>>50086064
Better yet, offboard the Exocomp's mind into a computer core and let them remote control the drone bodies

>>50085958
I think its more to do with the writing but robotics would be mere tools, like the ship itself and the technology it represents.

I like to think that it also underscores Data's journey towards humanity as he becomes less like the robots/automata and becomes more human purely by process of mind and not body.

>>50086100
They may or may not be willing to do that.

I mean, some people would be happy to live as an infomorph and remote-control a puppet meat-body. But you can't expect everyone to be willing to do so, Exocomp or otherwise.

But then, you could have one exocomp drone-operator remote-controlling multiple drone bodies, if they were so inclined, too.

>>50086127
Makes me kinda think of a solution like the Ancients Chair in Stargate, have a person sit in a chair and mind-control drones to do the dangerous work

So if you had a holodeck, what would be the first program you would run in it?

>>50086127
Didn't they do something like that in season 7?

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>>50089139
Yes.

>>50089138
I'd probably look at some nice scenery for a while and then maybe try out that high altitude shuttle jump thing that Be'lanna did.

>>50089138
Well, I honestly wouldn't start the creepy perverted experimentation until it was late and I was sure I wouldn't be disturbed by family or neighbors.

This actually made me think for a bit, everyone says holodecks would be a dream device for any pnp group but would it really? gamers tend to like sitting down to play, not walking fucking hundreds of miles in the wilderness, simulated or not. Unless the tabletop gaming nerds of the future are really fucking fit, it's going to be like some retarded yugio dueling platform with people sitting around a big table projecting holography above or below them.

>>50089138
Depends on what programs I had.

Ok, ok, real answer: I'd save the sexytimes for when I'd be alone and no one would be able to interfere. Otherwise, I'd probably run some VR games, shooters and the like. Maybe some space exploration stuff so I could see the universe and alien planets and shit.

>>50083079
>Worshiping anyone more powerful than you is not compatible with that.
I wasn't thinking that they would be kowtowing to beings like that. But being pricks to the 'God' like being just because he's an ass doesn't really show a level of maturity that they keep saying as a society they have. And they know for a fact the fucker is testing you. Why do they keep up being passive aggressive children to Q when they know it does no good? Q is there to get his laughs of course but you would think it be better to humor him and actually try to pump him for info of how the universe really works instead of how you think it works. I hate to say but the only character who really got this I think was Wesley. You don't really need all the tech and arrogance you can be 'gods' yourself if you are ready for it. I think they are less scared of Q and more scared that Q is right. That all their tech is just toys and if they were really as advanced as they claim to be they could leave it all behind. Just like Wesley's character did at the end but they can't admit to themselves that spiritually they aren't ready yet.
tl;dr Humans in the UFP are soulless fuckers that need to get over themselves. And need some humility when dealing with things you know are beyond you. Try to learn from Q instead of being cross little children in his present.

>>50089138
>>50089704

>perverted shit

That's probably the first thing I'd do. Just make sure I lock the holodeck first.

I'm a /d/egenerate thought.

>PnP games

I'd much rather play PnP games with replicated books, dice, and character sheets than play a holonovel (let alone program!) version.

That said, I'd be okay with playing a solo adventure game in the vein of the Elder Scrolls, even if it meant walking long distances and being tired from fighting. You'd get fit and have some fun.

It might be hell the first couple of times if you've not been exercising regularly though.

>>50089138
Loli.

Or just run one of my old campaigns if there are people around.

>>50089704
>a dream device for any pnp group but would it really?
Most pnp guys like to go places in their heads and have time to think it though so a holodeck for the most part would be useless to them. Now larpers on the other hand would love the shit out of a holodeck. As we have seen in the Trek shows if you like dressing and pretending to be someone else for a while. It is the best shit ever, a cosplayers dream I bet. I was watching the Voyager episodes where some aliens turned like the whole ship into a war sim holodeck. It was pretty sweet actually except for all the mind fuckery needed to get people to play their parts. But it would cool as shit to be able to do the whole invasion of France on a holodeck while you got to shoot Nazis guilt free.

>>50089138
Honestly? The first thing I'd do would be the perverted shit. And then I'd probably freak the fuck out and call a halt to it before it could go anywhere because I have that power and am a huge pile of insecurities and neurosis. Maybe I'd get over it. Maybe I wouldn't.

Other uses? The first thing that comes to mind I'd use that thing for is to rapidly prototype things I wanted to make, like a phaser pistol for the 24th century that didn't have all the ergonomics of a mid-1980s dust buster; or a set of AR glasses that incorporates all the sensors of a tricorder and all the functionality of a personal viewscreen.

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>>50090666
>a set of AR glasses that incorporates all the sensors of a tricorder and all the functionality of a personal viewscreen.
Oh you mean one of those headset things from DS9. Those things look goofy as fuck why would you want to wear that. Are you not a big enough geek already? Do you really need something that will make you even more like an idiot.

>>50090825
>Do you really need something that will make you *look even more like an idiot.

>>50075084
I am assuming the fact that WW3 sort of killed a good chunk of the earth combined with ayyy lmaos showing up changed things. ?Honestly I like how ST's WW3 isn';t a huge exchange but a limited one, and with CRISPR technology being a thing, Aguments are going from "oh sci fi" to oh SHIT we have the technology now.

>>50085888
Holograms. Voyager episode shows holograms do the bitch work of the federation,

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>>50090414
>>50090522
You could conjure up a nerd dungeon and fill it with ai players, a la Data getting the holo scientist poker buddies, which would probably be better and more creative than the players in your group right now or you for that matter. No more need to find willing people with similar schedules and interests; every game can be 1p!
>hmm this session is going to well
>computer, Add Player: That Guy

>>50089138
X-COM Simulation. Both base building segments and Combat, Long War, and maybe mod to allow for X-COM 2 classes.

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>>50091218
>>Adding That Guy to program.
>>Specify level.

>>50091345
>Level: Full Retard

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>>50091354
>>Program complete.
>>You may ragequit when ready.

>>50091218

Thankfully my group has three GMs, including me, and one player who wants to get his feet wet with Deathwatch and has already run a 5e session and an Only War session.

They're great. While I still miss my old group due to nostalgia, the one I'm in now is fantastic. Not sure if AI players would be as fun.

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>>50091390

>>50091390
Thank you computer, you've been very helpful!

>>50090933
Weird, you'd think that robot drones would be both easier to maintain and less likely to suddenly become self-aware and rebel

>>50091579
You don't need to have your holograms be intelligent. You don't even need your holograms to be humanoid. Hell, you don't need your holograms to be one shape - they can change shape to fit the job, and they don't need to be connected to anything, just have a holoprojector somewhere nearby.
>order shelf from space walmart
>have to put that garbage together myself
>lol jk I have a holoprojector
>hologram can put shelf together in no time flat by doing every space screw/nail all at once
Damn, I want one right now.

>>50089138
Vulcan Love Slave
Vulcan Love Slave, Part II: The Revenge
Vulcan Love Slave, Volume III

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>>50090825
>>50090858

No, I want let something that will let me target and shoot a motherfucker through a goddamn wall. I want something that will let me look at a person and instantly tricorderize them and guide me through emergency lifesaving treatment. I want something that will let me look at a person and automatically analyze their facial responses/subconscious cues/etc and give me Adam Jensen's CASIE aug in heads-up form. I want something that will, when the ship is full of fucking smoke and shit, give me a map of the ship and let me see through the smoke, so I can haul ass straight to the nearest escape pod and grab some poor bastard/lass who was down on the floor who would have looked dead but whom my medical tricorder HUD identified as alive to get them out of the suckbarrel with me.

And there's no reason it has to look uber-derptarded. It could look like pic related, or maybe one of Commander Shepherd's headsets from ME2.

>>50091876
>not Part II: Earlectric Boogaloo

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>>50091892
Would rather this than big ol' visor.

>>50092038
This guy right hear.

>>50092052
Hey, man, why not? Go for it. You can have your visor look like whatever you like, I'll have mine look like what I want it to look like, Lt. Commander LaForge can go back to looking like he's wearing a 1980's girl's hair ornament on his face if he wants to.

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>>50092052
I wonder where I can order those. To google!

>>50091892
Just implant this shit into your eye. Don't tell me they don't have the display technology, we almost have that level of display tech.

Fuck, go a step further. Screw using a visual display, dump the info directly into your head. You don't need to see where the jemhadar soldier is behind that wall, you know by instinct. You know the ship layout and where you are, you know what medical procedures to do. Now you don't have to wait split seconds for your visual cortex to process what it's seeing, you're already in action. A techno-oracle.

>>50092735
Sorry Anon but now you are the bad guy. That sort of augmentation automatically makes you evil.

>>50092936
Well I'll just have to show them how unevil I am, I'll show them all! Bring me children to murder! That'll teach them!

>>50092936
I hate shit like this. You work your ass off, take a step beyond for the good of all mankind/the federation and suddenly the bridge crew in and Picard tells you that you've gone too far and belt out a Picard speech about the nature of humanity and how we should be happy with what we have, Riker mentions that it's against the "Universe's Plan", meanwhile in engineering, Data and Geordi have a discussion about how enhancing one self is wrong and leads to class separation and racism. Meanwhile Worf is getting his ass handed to him because we can predict all his moves.

>>50073731
>>50074191

The Empire of Man series introduces Armagh Satanism -- a Catholic colony pre-FTL has a schism, resulting in basically a Papal synod and an inquisition. The public rebels, the leadership takes to calling insurrectionists "minions of Satan", so the rebellion embraces it. They develop a different cosmology where YHVH can't be reigning in heaven, because life fucking sucks; therefore someone must be keeping Him from His creation. That means that the angels of Heaven are the bad guys, and all of Christendom is backing the wrong horse. By the time the war is over, Satanism has overtaken Christianity as the dominant religion and develops its own parallel dogma of Don't Be A Dick, and the classic Be Ready For The End Of Days.

>>50092735
I was writing a self-insert fanfic where the long-term plans were to inject Eclipse Phase augmentation into Star Trek, basically develop EP-style augs, then open-source them to all and sundry to FORCE the UFP to make them all kosher lest they be dramatically outcompeted by augmented Klinks and Rommies and Cardies and such who embraced transhuman (transorigin) technologies.

So yeah, I'm all for that, but that's long-term. I'll settle for the glasses in the short term.

>>50093340
Isn't that the March Upcountry/To The Sea/To the Stars series, the Prince Roger series? Did Weber and Ringo ever write any more of that shit?

>>50093633
It kind of funny how stupid the UFP is when it comes to augments. I know it went very bad in the past for them but that's the past. The future is going to need them to out grow this stigma of augments are universally bad. A lot of other races in the UFP are superior to baseline humans like Vulcans and Klingons. They have this stupid idea that just trying harder than the other guy will be enough but they are so disillusion about this it's sad. I mean going full Borg or Khan would be bad but there must be a middle ground somewhere right?

>>50093932
The problem with Khan is that his series of Augments wasn't just engineered to be physically and mentally enhanced compared to baseline humanity, they were deliberately engineered to be FUCKING SOCIOPATHS.

The problem with the Borg is that they treat individuals as below worthless, so their augments are all function, no form, no aesthetics, no quality-of-life. As the EMH on Enterprise noted, "Borg augmentations are known to cause itching." You could do much better than Borg shit, even if their nanoprobes are the bee's fucking knees and should be used as the basis for all your nanosurgery and augmentation tech.

>>50093932
>>50094017
Even ignoring the fact that Khan and his people were sociopaths, think about the rest of the Federation. Its three leading lights are Humanity, who nuked themselves to bits less than half a millennia ago, the Vulcans, who fought such intensive wars that without Surak, Vulcan would be a dead world, and the Andorians, who (if we take the novels) are good fighters themselves, and are also suffering from genetic diversity issues. The Romulans are a clear indicator of what happens when Vulcans go nuts, and the Augments that had a direct involvement in the Alpha Quadrant proved that even novice Captains are some of the deadliest sonsabitches in the Quadrant. Especially when the Mutara Incident revealed that the UFP was working on a WMD.

With all of that evidence, coupled the fact that the Council assuredly has access to Kirk's logs of the Mirror Universe, showing that a pissed off or amoral Humanity can and has taken over the Alpha quadrant, would you want Humanity to get augmentations?

>>50074904
>Which is bizarre because Ben-Hur was written by a Christian. Nothing in the book being translated to the screen should be offensive, and yet, religious folks* likely haven't read the book, and just as likely don't understand their own faith as well as they aught to.
>*By religious folks, I mean allegedly Christian Americans.
It was also a lot of old people who liked the original adaptation more.

>>50094115
>With all of that evidence, coupled the fact that the Council assuredly has access to Kirk's logs of the Mirror Universe, showing that a pissed off or amoral Humanity can and has taken over the Alpha quadrant, would you want Humanity to get augmentations?

No.
> I want everybody to get augmentations.
Humans, Bajorans, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, Tellarites, fucking Pakled - yes, even the fucking Pakled. Just bloody fucking EVERYBODY.

>>50094188

Who doesn't? A remake (of a remake, incidentally) wasn't going to produce a superior movie.

>>50094210
>Augmented Bajorans
Pls no. Imagine Kai Winn Kung Fu fighting with Augmented Dukat. The end of DS9 would look like the Mace Windu/Palpatine fight. Or worse, now the street priests make it so you literally cannot get away.

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>>50094238
>Imagine Kai Winn Kung Fu fighting with Augmented Dukat.

>>50094017
>they were deliberately engineered to be FUCKING SOCIOPATHS
I don't recall that being the case. They just were so damned awesome, and they knew it, and knew they were better than everyone else, so they did what they want and treated the non-augments as lesser beings. Among themselves they acted normal, and not sociopathic at all. They just didn't have the moral basis that said "less able != of less worth," that say, the Vulcans have.

>>50095237
Khan was pretty fucking awful even to his own dudes, he just treats them with respect because he knows that if he pisses them ALL off, they're going to stop letting him be leader by violence veto, and he can't take them all. Singh even notes that sociopathy is one of the hallmarks of the augment gene-line, which is something he had planned to correct.

And even if it was just a failure of morality... That's not inherent in augmentations, that's something that the modern Federation citizen explicitly wouldn't have. Jean-Luc Picard wouldn't turn into Khaaaaaaaaaaan! just because, say, Q snapped his fingers and gave him the strength, speed and intellect of Data.

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>>50095585
>Jean-Luc Picard wouldn't turn into Khaaaaaaaaaaan! just because, say, Q snapped his fingers and gave him the strength, speed and intellect of Data.
Which I find you could have a point but every time we saw this in TOS. IT ALWAYS ENDS REALLY BADLY! The problem is that we hope in the future that we can handle the jump in ability but every time we are shown people getting these powers. They turn into monsters so the problem isn't that future people aren't advanced but that they are still very flawed people even in the future.
>Pic related

>>50095878
He'd just had his brain scrambled by exotic radiation.

Also he could create life from lifelessness and had psychic powers.

That's a whole different game from just making people have Captain America level upgrades.

Also Khaaaaaaaaaan and co. were social products of WW3.

>>50095878
>>50095585
>>50094210
>>50094115
>>50094017
>>50093932
Gene was really not a fan of Augments. It's likely that any proper exploration of transhumans living and working alongside regular humans would have ended up just like Andromeda (which Roddenberry wrote.)

Given the fact that he decided to name the Andromeda augments "Nietzscheans", I think it's fairly clear that Gene viewed any and all genetic engineering as no different than the Nazi Eugenics and "race sciences" of the mid 20th century.

>>50091722
Holograms are the most unreliable pieces of shit we've ever seen. Seems like something goes wrong every time anyone goes there. The safety protocols never work, and they're built in such a way that shooting a computer panel with a fake holographic gun while the safeties are on will somehow turn the safeties off. Even those holograms made to be bit characters in a game have a tendency to become accidentally self-aware and go rogue. Starfleet would never tolerate having them on their ships if the porn weren't SO GOOD

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>>50097396
Yeah, well, Gene was kind of an asshole, wasn't he?

>>50097576
I think we can safely assume that holodecks are, for the most part, very reliable technology, it's just that on the Hero ships, things tend to happen, and statistically, some of those things will happen in the holodeck.

Really, how often do we see an episode which follows a crewman over the course of an ordinary day?

> Riker gets up.
> Goes to the head in his cabin, takes a dump, has a shower, trims his beard.
> Checks the time
>> Four hours before he's due on shift.
> Riker dresses goes to Ten Forward, orders some breakfast, sits at the corner table.
>> Pulls out a reading PADD, reviews a length document entitled Starfleet Uniform Regulations 2371 (Rev. 01 March)
>>> Shows the new-style DS9 era uniform. Riker's already on top of this shit, wearing the new uniform; nobody else is.
>> Riker fields some questions from a few crewmembers regarding how long they have to change over to the new uniforms, a few queries about personnel reviews, and two questions from Lieutenants asking for his candid opinion if the presence of Lt. Commander Data and the rest of Picard's senior staff mean they should seek a transfer if they want promotions.
>>> Answers the questions, says he'll look into it.

> Riker reports for duty on the bridge five minutes early, looms behind the fourth-shift tactical officer while the rest of first shift arrives. Picard arrives a minute late, Riker teases him slightly, then takes the bridge when Picard says he'll be in his ready room. Riker gets a status update, waits for the rest of first shift to be settled in, gives Lt. Worf the bridge and heads to the ready room.
>> Brings up the concerns about opportunities for advancement to Lt. Commander and higher being stifled on the Enterprise because of the presence of so many senior officers who prefer to continue serving under Jean-Luc Picard at their current rank than to take promotions and transfer off.
<Cont.>

>>50097764
>Yeah, well, Gene was kind of an asshole, wasn't he?

I think, in this case, he was just a product of the times. Transhumanism was a fringe science, now marred by the experiments f men like Mengele. I'm sure nobody reacted badly to his "all augments are evil" stance at the time.

>>50097764
>that pic
you just reminded me what a mess Generations was. Berman really fucked the TNG movie franchise hard.
Fucking plasma coils

>>50097764
>> Picard agrees it's a problem, but he's not entirely sure what to do about it.
>>> He's not comfortable 'suggesting' that Riker, Data, LaForge, Crusher, Troi and Worf should transfer off the ship to free up space for younger officers, because their career paths are their own to decide, because they're the finest officers Starfleet has to offer, and because they're his friends.
>>> On the other hand, the Flagship should be a posting that an officer should be proud to have, not one that they should seek to flee because it stifles career advancement.
>> Asks Riker's opinion on the idea of promoting the second, third- and fourth-shift crewmen to ranks somewhat more commensurate with their actual responsibilities, thus creating more Lt. Commander posts into which qualified Lieutenants could take advancement, and allowing younger officers to advance to Lieutenant.
>> Riker is ambivalent. On the one hand, it would alleviate some of the promotional pressure, on the other, he fears it might be viewed by some of the qualified promotional prospects as a paper promotion - another pip on the collar, but doing the same thing they always did; some officers might see that as career death.
>> Picard sees his point, agrees that it's not necessarily a perfect solution, asks Riker to speak it over with Deanna and the department heads, see what they think of the idea.

> Lt. Worf is commanding the bridge from the tactical station.
>> Data reports an unexpected sensor contact at bearing whatever.
>> Worf demands a report.
>> Data quickly analyzes, determines that it's a civilian freighter that appears to be drifting off-course.
>> Worf demands hailing frequencies.
>> Hailing frequencies Open.
>>> This is Lieutenant Worf of the Federation starship Enterprise. Do you require assistance?
<Cont.>

>>50097834
>>> Enterprise? This is the Federation freighter Bumblebee. We're experiencing some fluctuations in our starboard warp coils, but our engineer's on the job and we have all the parts we need. We do not require assistance at this time, thank you, over.
>>> Understood. Enterprise out.
> Worf notes the encounter in the ship's log.
> Riker returns to the bridge, demands a report.
> Worf updates him on the encounter with the freighter Bumblebee.
>> Riker sits in the big seat, nodding to Mr. Worf, takes back the bridge.
>> Riker has the bridge, aye.

> Time passes. Picard reviews a lengthy document in his Ready Room entitled Galaxy-Class Starship Emergency Evacuation Procedures, Stardrive-to-Saucer, No ASRV Release, 2359; Updated 2370 (Rev. 09 December)
> Picard finishes reading the document with the bullet-points at the bottom, skims back over it to review a few of them in more detail.
>> Computer, quiz me.
> Picard takes a quick quick on the document he's just reviewed, aces it.
>> Computer, schedule this document for mandatory review by all Starfleet and civilian personnel over the age of fourteen - human equivalent - by the end of the week. Exemptions granted for personnel who have reviewed it on their own in the past year.
> Confirmed.

And so forth and so on, and so on, and so on. Everything operating more or less to routine. Nothing going wrong. Riker using the holodeck and nothing at all goes squirrelly. Picard doing paperwork. Crusher treating routine scrapes, bruises, and illnesses. Geordi handling routine engineering issues, Data doing routine science, etc, etc.

>>50097892

honestly Im not sure I want to see what Riker gets up to on the holodeck

>>50098161
I'd hate to be the crewman that has to mop up the holodecks after Riker uses them

>>50098323
As advanced as a holodeck is I would think they were self cleaning like some ovens, anon. :D

>>50098161
>>50097576
>the Holodeck is used for porn a lot

This is what everyone assumes just given a general understanding of human nature, but whenever a Trek character gets the chance to directly or indirectly demonstrate a basic knowledge of what porn is, it's like they've never heard of it.

>Barclay seems to think that porn consists of creating alternate members of the crew that are okay talking to him. MAYBE that results in off-camera masturbation, but it seems like it's more to socialize with someone whose responses he can control.
>Janeway starts fucking a non-sapient hologram and somehow can't decide whether what she's doing is ethical. Come on, get over yourself, it's just porn. She treats it as though it's not only evil but some unique kind of evil that she just invented.
>Vulcans have not invented porn even though they REALLY need it. When Tuvok goes through Pon Farr, Tom Paris basically has to not just invent porn but EXPLAIN WHAT PORN IS.

>>50098451
>TFW in the future no one knows what porn is.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
No they know it's just that it is mostly a PG and PC show that kids can watch mostly. So they have to beat around the bush a lot because well the audience wouldn't like it if it was all sex all the time. But of course they shouldn't be so up tight in the future since they should be much more enlightened. Porn is everywhere in the future but no one wants to focus on that. Quark has whole libraries of interesting holodeck programs that are nothing but thinly veiled porn.

>>50098548
Just never mentioning porn, or mentioning it only with innuendo or double-talk, would be one thing. But there have been at least three episodes I can think of where the entire plot hinges on the fact that a character obviously does not know what porn is. Granted, they're mostly Voyager episodes, but still.

>>50098618
>Granted, they're mostly Voyager episodes, but still.
I believe that most writers for that show were autistic or drunk or insane or all three at once.

>>50097764
Consider the ways in which the holodeck tends to go wrong, though. These are things that shouldn't happen even once. The example I previously mentioned was holographic people and objects having the power to turn off or break the safeties while the safeties are on. The other is modeling every dangerous object to be completely physically accurate, so that the only thing keeping them from killing people is the safeties. Guns on the holodeck are real guns that really work unless the safeties are on, even the ray guns in Captain Proton. That's horseshit. The guns should be toy/prop guns that the holograms react to as though they were real.

On a larger scale, the holodeck that crew use for recreation shouldn't even have safeties that can be turned off. If they must use a holo-emitter with no safeties for science experiments or whatever, it should be a separate deck where the power gets cut at the first sign of trouble.

>>50098618
Well let's be honest, in a universe that has Risa and Orion Slave Girls, do you really need porn that much?

>>50098765
When you're on board a deep space expedition to catalogue gaseous anomalies, 6000 light years from Risa or the nearest Orion seductress, yes you most certainly need porn.

>>50098724
>TFW you are over thinking it, anon.
Short answer: IT'S A STORY PLOT!
I guessing 99.99% of the time holodecks are perfectly safe and you can get hurt sometimes but only if you are stupid or the plot gods will it. The tech is safe as far as any normal person in the Trek setting is concerned.

>>50097396
>Given the fact that he decided to name the Andromeda augments "Nietzscheans", I think it's fairly clear that Gene viewed any and all genetic engineering as no different than the Nazi Eugenics
Was this before or after it was common knowledge that Nietzsche's bitch sister rewrote his work to get in good with the Nazis?

>>50098548
>>50098618
Legit Quark even says, do you like sex? We've got holosuite programs for that!

>>50098451
Watch DS9 Hooman.

>>50099583
Explain? What did she change?

>>50099615
>>50099609

DS9 was the attempt to fix a lot of the more egregious issues of Star Trek, mostly from the TNG years. Of course it treated holodecks and sex on them as if it was just another thing. It never shouldn't have been, but that's tv for you.

>>50097764
>>50097834
>>50097892

Would genuinely read at least a short story of this, illustrating various crew roles. If anything, it'd be a great aid for RPG stuff by setting out what the normal day-to-day bullshit it.
But it never happened in the show because the style of tv didn't allow for it at the time. Closest we got was Data's Day and even that had the required deadly danger of the week plot thrown in.

>>50099583
I'm honestly not sure. However the name has less to do with Nietzsche's own beleifs and more to do with the fact that his ubermensch idea, as well as the notion of tribal prides were core elements of what would become the Aryan ideal.

>>50099678
Friedrich Nietzsche was not a fan of the german supremacist movement. In fact he disowned one of his friends, thee composer Wagner, after he vocally supported the concept in public. He also didn't get on with his sister, who was very much in favour of the german Aryan myth. After his death in 1900, his sister changed several of his works to be more in line with her own beleifs. She also promoted the notion that Nietzsche was an ardent supporter of the Aryan ideal.

In his book, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" he talks about the "beautiful blonde beast" on several occasions. His sister claimed that this was him praising the Prussian master race. Whereas anybody that knew Friedrich would have known immediately that he was talking about Lions. Nietzsche loved lions. He thought they looked amazing and he was fascinated by the structure of their prides. This was something he weaved into his works for years.

And so, unwittingly and unwillingly, he became one of the grandfathers of Nazi Eugenics.

>>50094115
>Even ignoring the fact that Khan and his people were sociopaths, think about the rest of the Federation. Its three leading lights are Humanity, who nuked themselves to bits less than half a millennia ago, the Vulcans, who fought such intensive wars that without Surak, Vulcan would be a dead world, and the Andorians,
Do you really see that many andorans? I see more Bolians by the TNG era, or that weird wrinkly race of the President in DS9.

>>50099678
She cut out a lot of stuff he said about race being a useless distraction.

>>50099858
>Friedrich Nietzsche was not a fan of the german supremacist movement. In fact he disowned one of his friends, thee composer Wagner, after he vocally supported the concept in public. He also didn't get on with his sister, who was very much in favour of the german Aryan myth. After his death in 1900, his sister changed several of his works to be more in line with her own beleifs. She also promoted the notion that Nietzsche was an ardent supporter of the Aryan ideal.
Well, with Wagner I just read there were other things that drove them apart, he started to consider Wagner some sort of Fatalist who didn't really understand the concept of superiority in the hero stories he aped.

>>50099858
>He loved lions

I love shit like that, where for all a given philosopher's talk of the grand schemes and structure of reality and the mind, they're all still humans with funny little quirks and likes. Like chocolate, or thinking lions are badass.

>>50099703
>Would genuinely read at least a short story of this, illustrating various crew roles. If anything, it'd be a great aid for RPG stuff by setting out what the normal day-to-day bullshit it.

I'm tempted to write one.

Better still, to write one from the PoV of a crewmember aboard USS Ark Royal, to show that, even on the most balls-out insane ship in the fleet, most days are ordinary, boring days full of ordinary, boring Starfleet stuff.

>>50099878
>Do you really see that many andorans? I see more Bolians by the TNG era, or that weird wrinkly race of the President in DS9.
The Bolian makeup is piss easy to put on someone, and Jaresh-Inyo's makeup isn't really out there for ST. The biggest reason we never see Andorians that much before ENT was because they couldn't settle on a look for the Andorians. There's the TOS version, which is creepy space hippie. Then we had the Andorians in the TOS movies, which is what FASA used, Lal's freaky Great Gazoo version, and ENT's. Plus the costume department people can't keep antenna from getting fucked up, based on the auctioned off Andorian costumes having at least one broken one in each set.

>>50098692
You know it was all three.

>>50099858
>>50099878
Thanks m80s

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>>50099858
>>50099884
>lions
Moe af

What if?: Data had been rescued by the Klingons and not Starfleet.

>>50099989
>Bolian makeup is easier to put on someone than Andorian makeup

Bolian makeup: bald cap, ridge down the side of the whole face, paint everything blue

Andorian makeup: paint everything blue, put on a white wig with antennae

There's no way in hell Bolian makeup is easier.

>>50103529
They'd have dissembled him and fucked it all up, leaving behind a pile of trash.

>>50103571
>with antennae
That's the main trouble. Even when they finally figured out how to do them in ENT they were still a royal pain for everyone involved.
Also, painted bald cap is super easy. Easier than a wig, especially if you're going to put something in the wig.

>>50103529
>>50103581
What if it was Romulans?
Now that could have been interesting. Not sure where they would have gone with that though.

>>50104993
Has there ever been any media based on this idea? Comics, books, things like that?

>>50104993
>Romulans
You mean like what they did with B4? Program him for subversion, toss him at the Federation and cross their fingers?

Either that or put him in storage for years and years.

>>50105096
That was the Remans, wasn't it?

>>50089138
>Omaha beach
Might be fun for a bit, but after that lots of sex

>>50097396
It's funny, I always liked the detail that Khan was supposed to be Indian because of the subversion of the whole Aryan ubermensch idea.

>>50105112
Yeah, sure, like Remans could ever do anything but suck and die.

>>50075084
Ferengi Religion is shockingly internally consistent. I love the Great Material Continuum as a metaphor for the universe, and how 'hell' is the Vault of Eternal Destitution.

Hope you have made enough market-karma in life to afford the bribe into the Divine Exchequor.

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>>50106073
>TFW you have to have some faith chief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8hcHXwqPEo

>>50106073
The Great Material Continuum works fairly well as a philosophy, a basic metaphor for the entire concept of supply and demand, of logistics and trade. The basic premise isn't even remotely incompatible with basic Federation ideals and altruism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8hcHXwqPEo

"It's the force that binds the universe together. You see, there are millions, upon millions of worlds in the universe. Each one filled with too much of one thing, and not enough of another! And the great continuum flows through them all, like a mighty river, from have, to want, and back again! And if we navigate the river, with skill and grace, our ship will be filled with everything our hearts desire."

The devil's in the details, of course. A standard Feddie will take that philosophy and conclude that of course, the right thing to do is to navigate the river such as to transport that which is from where it is abundant to where it is needed, firstly to alleviate and prevent deprivation, and secondly to provide for wants; for example, taking fish and rice from the fish markets and rice paddies to hungry urban poor.

A Ferengi would conclude, of course, that you should acquire the goods as cheaply as possible, and take it to where it can be sold for the highest profit; taking those same foodstuffs from the fish markets and rice paddies, spinning them through some slick marketing campaigns, and selling them to to upscale urban eateries.

The problem with the Ferengi way of doing things is quite simple - fuck the poor. This inevitably comes back to bite the rich in the ass, quite literally, when the poor conclude that the best way to alleviate their hunger is to eat the rich.

>>50106818
>>50106738
>The Great Material Continuum mind

>>50107229
Sailing upon the Great River, >>50106738 is the guy in the cigarette boat smuggling a dollop of red-hot knowledge through the port authority's watchful gaze, >>50106818 is the frigate forcing the port open for a huge freighter with a spot of the old gunboat diplomacy.

>>50106738
>>50106818
"O'brien must suffer."

>>50107838
He's Irish so I guess that's his karma.

>>50107988
At least the whiskey and yellow fever dull the pain.

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>>50107838
Well he did marry a Japanese hate ghost

>>50108184
Thank god there are no tv's for Keiko to climb out of or O'brien would have been in trouble.

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>>50108184
Pictured: Keiko O'Brien, then Ishikawa, Age 12, on left.
Right: Unknown, does not appear in the historical record prior to or subsequent to this image.

>>50108202
There's viewscreens, yanno?

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>>50108202
>>50108227

>>50108354
Run Riker! Save yourself!

>>50108444

> Data, you see a ghost in the form of Keiko O'Brien emerge from the LCARS panel in front of you.
>> Fascinating. I roll to recognize this phenomena.
> You recognize a great many similar myths throughout the mythologies of dozens of races, none of which were ever substantiated as more than fiction.
>> Could it be an act of Q?
> Anything could be an act of Q.

> Geordi? You see the same thing.
>> What do my VISOR's sensors show me?
> Shit, I always forget that thing. Um... You can SEE it. But your VISOR can't. It's like you see it under your VISOR.
>> Holy shit.
> What do you do?
>> I say, 'Holy shit!'

> Alright. Riker?
>> I roll to seduce.

>>50108544
>Geordi ever using a tricorder
>Data ever using a tricorder
>EMH ever using a tricorder
Their peepers should be able to tell them most everything a tricorder does, at least in their respective spheres. Always bugged me.

>>50108822
> Geordi
His VISOR has a lot of sensors built into it, but it's also old, even by the start of TNG, and getting older. New tricorders probably have more/better/more sensitive sensors.

> Data
Ditto, only moreso.

> EMH
Within medbay, yes, the medbay sensors almost certainly did. However, I'm willing to bed that he was hardwired to use a medical tricorder anyway, both as a source of independent verification of the sensors' readings, and because patients in the focus groups found it overwhelmingly creepy for their doctor to just look at them and render a diagnosis as if by witchcraft or psychic bullshit.

As for him reading on PADDs, he probably just enjoyed it, the same way we can read on our PC's or our phone's Kindle apps, but some people would rather use a real tablet or dead-tree volume. And again, it could be a hardwired instinct for him, so people understand he's spending time accessing data.

>>50108934
Data used a tricorder because it interfaced with the ship and used the Enterprise's full library and computer to do the job, and so the ship would have a record in case he was destroyed. The same with Geordi, whose VISOR wasn't really great at providing information more useful than "does it radiate energy" and "I can see when you're lying."

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>>50108934
>>50109052
You would think like how they tried to hook Data up to the ship computers to see if he could the ship run better. They should have had the tricorders wired into Data to make them much more effective. Why didn't they do that?

>>50055605
What is the state of Star Trek minis? I wanted to get into it a while ago, but had no monies.

What's the current line, is it supported, and is it any good?

>dax returns to the station and almost immediately bashir tries to get that sweet trill puss

>>50111135
To be fair, if Terry Farrell had Ezri's first haircut, I don't think I could be responsible for how much I wanted to hit that.

If I wanted to run an RPG for the Kelvinverse, what would be my best bet?

>>50111294
Drain cleaner.

>>50111294

I'm fairly certain most of the Trek RPGs could handle a Kelvinverse game. The aesthetics would be different, the ships bigger and with more lens flares, and maybe the adventures would be more combat heavy if you're trying to ape the movies.

Other than that, things are more or less the same. Ships travel at warp speeds. Phasers have kill and stun settings. Vulcans have funny ears and suppress their emotions. Anyone with an admiral rank becomes insane and plots evil. Transwarp beaming should invalidate starships, but everyone forgets about it just like any other thing that would make the premise pointless.

It's just details that are different. Khan is a boring Brit instead of a Mexican with an amazing chest. The Constitution never gets built, an xboxhuge starship that looks like a Constitution if you squint real hard replaces it. Instead of a proper engine room, the Enterprise has a brewery.

>>50111294
Just reskin LUG or FASA and you're basically there. It might take a few minutes in photoshop but you could jj-ify a Loknar in no time.

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What is best served cold?

>>50113313
It'd take quite a bit more than a few minutes, I'd think, even if you were a crazy-awesome starship artist who did this kind of thing professionally.

>>50108934
So do holograms actually have the ability to sense things with their "eyes" even though they're just made of light and force fields, or do they depend on recordings taken by whatever hardware is emitting them?

>>50113410
I'd expect that the sensors and stuff they use are designed to give them a realistic field of view.

>>50113337
Cured meats.

>>50113337
Lemonade.

>>50110853
The Starfleet Battles guys took over production of the ACTA range and are producing it in metal alongside their own range. It's a decently sized range, but doesn't cover certain major SFB fleets.

3d printables are vast in number. The Star Ranger forums are still going if trying to seek out garage casts of non-SFB stuff, there's blogs and things linked from there but it's like trying to get miniatures for EPIC: Armageddon in that it's a small circle of people who are not going to be selling that openly.

There's also the Attack Wing stuff but I ain't really a fan of that due to no consistent scale but it's a pretty wide range. I'm probably missing things.

>>50113762
Really? Even then, I'd prefer them hot to cold.
>>50113779
Okay, good, good. Give me more.

>>50113337
Blueberry ice cream, duh.

That's slang for Andorian pussy, right?

>>50114836
No, that's low gothic slang for corpse starch made from Tau.

>>50114948
Ew.

I just thought, cause of the white hair and stuff...

I don't know very much about ice cream.

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>>50114948
wrong universe

>>50113337
Where is the deflector mounted for the Miranda class?

>>50117538
Doesn't have one.

>>50117562
Oh, okay.

>>50117562
Then how do they avoid hitting physical objects while going at warp speed?

>>50117615
>>50117650
It actually has two, just not a large obvious one. There's a small one mounted on the top of the torpedo pod, and another small one mounted on the bottom of the saucer.

>>50073731
Could it because the people who control the media are rabid anti-theists?

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>>50118781
>rabid anti-theists?
It could be but it seemed in at least ENT that they were ok with eastern faiths. Like they keep referring to some crew members going to monasteries in Tibet or some place similar in passing. So I guess Buddhism survived into the early Trek era of the setting. I would think that most eastern beliefs could be active in Trek without too much trouble since they really for the most part at their core don't give a crap where you're from. A Buddhist star fleet officer would be interesting since Vulcans would find it in tune with their practices if not their views.

>>50118781
I'm guessing a lot of the monotheisms when aliens show up go underground because the one true god idea kind of goes out the window when aliens show up having their own gods.

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>>50123281
That was a shitty way to start a movie.

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>you will never watch or play a game of baseball with sisko

>>50121058
Why would it? The only thing that might get thrown out entirely in Trek is the idea that Adam and Eve were the first living people in the universe. (YEC would have to go, but if present evidence doesn't convince those people actual ayys won't either.) You can still believe in an ultimate all-powerful God, just as much as you can now. There's nothing in the Bible (or Koran, as far as I know) that precludes aliens. Indeed, the fact that most Trek aliens are humanoid would seem to give credence to the idea that man was created in God's image. The Muslim belief that everything that happens in the universe is God's will wouldn't have a single problem with aliens doing all sorts of stuff. The Jews can still be God's Chosen, among earthlings or perhaps even among all peoples in the universe.

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I also seem to remember a trek novel that had Scotty hijack an old Connie museum ship, that had an old Rommie cloak in it, that they stole int he TV series, to go look for Spock. He made it deep into romulan space cause they werent looking for a old ass cloaked ship.

>>50123887
Well, it would be somewhat hard to say that Jesus or Islam was the one true path when that person or the person that founded the religion has no parallel in an alien's culture. So how do you proof that your religion is the one true religion if it is only known on some backwater rock ball? Eastern religions don't have this hang up so they would probably be more compatible with alien ideas about the universe.

>>50125412
>So how do you proof that your religion is the one true religion if it is only known on some backwater sand pit?
See what I did there? The Abrahamic religions spread from a small section of a small part of the world, and except for one nearby place, there aren't really any close parallels anywhere else in the world. And yet here we are. Religion doesn't need proof, and they certainly don't need parallels from other places to be convincing to people.

>>50125597
Well, humans would still be into believing what they have always believed I guess. But it having any weight outside of human society would be very limited especially western beliefs. I could see aliens being into or having their own version of stuff like Taoism or Buddhism. Christianity or Islam I find too human centric to appeal to aliens but it would be interesting to see JWs going door to door on an alien planet handing out Watchtowers.

>>50126589
Mark my words, Mormonism will be a pan-galactic religion.

>>50121058
Remember when Catholic missionaries first started going to India and they saw that the locals had their own gods so decided to become atheists?

Of course you don't because that would be beyond retarded.

>>50125597
>Religion doesn't need proof, and they certainly don't need parallels from other places to be convincing to people.

Nope! They just need swords. Lots and lots of swords.

Good fucking luck converting Klingons by the sword. Or hell, Bajorans, for that matter. Or even Andorians, or anyone else.

By the time of First Contact, the power of human religious institutions was a mockingly pale joke of what they once were. The Eastern religions, being more philosophical, less political, stand far greater chances of being studied and possibly adopted by ayyylmaos than anything some Pope in Rome, Imam or Rabbi has to say about God Almighty.

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>>50129398
So I wonder how offer alien religions/beliefs get adopted by humans? I can see that some may be drawn to the Vulcan beliefs of a logical approach to life. And then there's Sisko who literally had Bajoran religion throw at and into by becoming their second coming with no say in the matter really.

>>50130591
As far as Roddenberry is concerned, mankind is beyond any sort of diety based religion.

Sisko was just what happens when a people force themselves on someone. Even if he left he would have remained their messiah. There was nothing he could do. Remember how a cultist chased him to earth?

>>50094115
>The Romulans are a clear indicator of what happens when Vulcans go nuts

I thought we already discussed this. All Vulcanoids have to deal with the crazy, it's just that Vulcans do it by rejecting emotions and Rommies do it by building an empire for themselves and only themselves. Also backstabbing. If you want to see Vulcanoids go nuts, just look at how Vulcans were like before Surak. They had a bunch of crazy gods and destroyed everything they didn't like without much thought.

>>50130591
>So I wonder how offer alien religions/beliefs get adopted by humans?
I would think very low. Humans by Trek's time seem to have had enough with religions. Philosophies are another matter, but for the most part, alien belief systems in Trek seem to be deistic, not philosophical.

> I can see that some may be drawn to the Vulcan beliefs of a logical approach to life.
The Vulcan system is actually kind of weird.

Logic is simply a method for arriving at a conclusion. By no means is pacifism inherently more logical than expansionist conquest. The Vulcan system masquerades as pure logic, but what it actually is is brutal self-discipline that would make even a Jedi Master of the Old Republic say "that's a bit extreme" combined with a philosophical system, all of it wrapped up so tightly in analytical training and indoctrinated so young that by the time you're actually old enough to apply actual logic to the philosophies of Sarek and decide for yourselves whether that's right for you or not, you can't.

>>50132896
That always bugged me about the Vulcan system, actually. How their "logic" was anything but; it was a philosophy which takes a number of presupposed positions - like it being illogical to eat meat, for example, or the illogic of emotions - as dogmatic canon, not brooking any dissent to those things, to the point of branding dissenters as being mentally impaired.

>>50135739
From what I gather, Logic is in the eye of the beholder to Vulcans.

>>50135739
>That one episode where the Vulcan captain kept going on about stupid human emotions and Dax and Kira pointed out that they weren't human and to shut up.

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>>50135908
>TFW the Cubs of the Star Trek universe never won another World Series after 1908 because it would have been post WW3 and the old MLB would have been no more.
So I guess for Cubs fans we are living in the better alt-future.

So what's the one thing from the Trek universe you don't want to happen in ours?
>TFW all the crap about not using medical tech to help humanity get to a transhumance future where we are not so weak and frail. I want to see humans live on mars and thrive damn it.

>>50140654
Lulz chek out this CE augment! Wanting to better yourself at a fundamental level for well thought out and understandable reasons? WTF dude! You are literally Hitler.

>>50140654
T. Noonian Singh

Next you'll be claiming that we could us that same research to cure numerous inheritable, life diminishing genetic defects. God you're like Joseph Mengele on crack.

>>50135908
>All that intelligence and he can't tell what a Hyu-mon is!
>laughingquarks.jpg

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>>50135894
It seems to me that the future is full of passive aggressive pricks as >>50135908 shows. I wonder if that's just the writing style or if the UFP are just full of those sort of types that just get a hard on for being pricks.

>>50143847
Well Picard did let an entire planet die and then stood there on the bridge pontificating and stroking his philosophy boner about how enlightened he was.

>>50144119
Don't forget, he did it while cursing the one man who actually tried to save at least some of those people.

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Whose ready for Qmas and the battle of Qgrad again this year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2ONRJ9tMQ

KILL THE SNOWMAN! THIS IS YOUR GINGERBREAD WAIFUS PRAYER!
KILL THE SNOWMAN! THIS IS THE CRY OF YOUR WINTER WONDERLAND!
DO NOT WAVER, DO NOT LET UP! KILL!
DEATH TO SNOW-BORG INVADER!

>>50140654
OMG WTF Holy Shit!!!!!

Trying to the predetermined course of evolutionary destiny is super evil!

Everyone must keep all of their crippling defects for the sake of moral purity or they might turn into a psychopath for some raisin.

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I like the F5. It's a Klingon Bird of Prey before they existed, that actually makes sense because it follows the design trends of the earlier Klingon stuff.

Would much rather see variations on this turning up than Enterprise's 'retro' BoP.

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And the E4 which is even smaller and more BoP-like.

Would also work well with the Star Fleet Museum ship lines too.

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>>50147507
You really asked for it...

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>>50144885
Yeah.

I like to imagine that in his later years, aboard the Ent-E, after meeting James Tiberius Kirk, Jean-Luc Picard came to regard *that* as one of, if not the, greatest of his failings.

>>50149704
I really hate it when they do that. It makes it very annoying that they are so inconsistence with this. They will save most planets when the people of the planet ask. But when it's one of their own asking they shut him down cold. WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT SHIT! They need to do a Trek bible about how the stories should go because the universe needs to be consistence for it to really work as a setting.

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>Star Trek Discovery
Anyone still interested in this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lecqEgwhOSI
Here's so new info that has been 'leaked'. I'm not sure about just how reliable it all is but it gives the thread something new to bullshit about. I think with the Trekkie guy getting kicked out isn't a good sign. And the info of the cast seems a little too progressive for the time it's set in. A Klingon captain kind of retcons the fuck out Worf being like the first Klingon in Star Fleet and the situation at the time in the settling should make a Klingon captain in Star Fleet nearly impossible. Looks like there is so much in the casting I have doubts about. Oh well if it flops it will just give us new meme fodder.

>>50150918
Just consider it old bullshit, that's what I do. I can't really imagine Starfleet doing that shit anymore. Just headcanon it as Starfleet being trigger-happy about anything that remotely smacked of a Prime Directive violation, to the point that they were actually coming down on crews - not just the captains - for anything.

>>50151886
> Kicked the Trekkie off the team.
Did they fucking learn nothing from ENT?

Apparently... Apparently.

>>50151886
The loss of Bryan Fuller was basically the confirmation my cynical brain needed to confirm that hope should not be held out for a return to the old style, and rather that it's probably gonna be just another typical overly padded, overly interpersonal drama focused, no risk taking, mediocre at best modern drama series.

Also the ship is fugly.

What I really want right now is for GoG to finish the job and get Star Fleet Command 2/+Orion Pirates up. And maybe more of the adventure games.

>>50151886
For me it has been dead on arrival for months now, ever since i learn't that they were gonna go for the "Look at how progressive we are" shtick.

>>50152159
>Also the ship is fugly.

Yeah.

They picked the wrong time period
> Post-TOS Movies
> Post-TNG Movies
They kicked out the people who would keep them true to the spirit of the actual show Star Trek
> They did that with ENT too, and it sucked until they got actual Trekkies in to run shit, which was too damn little, too damn late
Aaaand the ship is not merely ugly but FUCK-ugly.

> Seriously, anything would be better.
>> USS Excelsior
>> Another Sovereign-class
>>> The Enterprise-E
>> A Nebula Class
>> A Miranda
>> Hell, a Loknar or Akula.
>>> Fuck, just go all-in and make it a show about a trio of ships, a Miranda, Loknar and Akula.
>> A Luna-class

Hell, they could get crazy and set it in a post-apocalyptic far-flung future, when subspace ruptures fucked everything up and most planets lost all their tech, and some brave explorers in some shitty rustbucket come across a drifting Galaxy-class or something, and decide they need to rebuild the Federation, but have trouble getting people aboard who aren't more interested in their phaser banks than their philosophy.

>>50151886
>HD trailer
>screenshot looks like muddled trash
>ship looks like the failed abortion of a BoP that hatefucked a B-movie UFO

kill me, now

>>50152263
>> Seriously, anything would be better.
Are you sure about that anon? So what's your opinion about 'Firefly' in Trek? It's technically fan made but god damn did they get a shit ton of real actual actors to jump on board. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms

>>50152159
I want GoG to get New Worlds working

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>>50151886
>klingons captaining a starfleet vessel years before Kirk is captain
No, fuck this, this better not be true or I am so done

>>50152263
>Hell, they could get crazy and set it in a post-apocalyptic far-flung future, when subspace ruptures fucked everything up and most planets lost all their tech, and some brave explorers in some shitty rustbucket come across a drifting Galaxy-class or something, and decide they need to rebuild the Federation, but have trouble getting people aboard who aren't more interested in their phaser banks than their philosophy.

I... That... Actually sounds really badass.