Last thread was
>>49585461

Where we invited the return of Drawfag the Remembrancer, may his work last eternal, and discussed possibilities going forward as well as drama of eons past.

I'd like to extend a warm welcome to Arelex, Golgothos, Zorg, Drawfag, and Josman.

On the docket:
>Josman's proposed Legion and Primarch:
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>>49593637
>>49593649
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>>49593702
>Whether or not Zorg is writing the Ogre Legion
>Zorg's idea for the Sororitas
>How to change the Imperial Cult from an underground group to state religion. Proposed idea here >>49592021

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>>49604842
>Whether or not Zorg is writing the Ogre Legion
Josman is writing for the Emperor's Patriots then I'm not writing for the Ogre Legion.

>Zorg's idea for the Sororitas
Yeah, you know how in the OU the Space Marines were created then the Adepta Sororitas? Let's do the opposite. jkjk

>How to change the Imperial Cult from an underground group to state religion. Proposed idea here
It should involved a canoness and a baseball bat.

>>49601632
There are like two different legion proposals without the Ogre Legion. Scroll up and you'll see I went like,"Nah, I'm good."

Work on the Ogre Legion is done

>>49601731
Literally who


>>49602391
>For the record I don't think anyone in the IA threads thinks ill of the HH. We talk shit from time to time but I still really like the HH setting and I think i'm the most critical of it in our threads.
Except for Sauron. Fuck that guy.

>>49602518
Mark my words, one day I will garner enough interest in my Imperium Mechanicus fanfic.

>>49602531
CUT LEGIONS
S

>>49605178
That's what you said, but there are some anins who didn't get the memo.

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>>49604842
>>49605178
>Emperor's Patriots
I need to think of a new name right fucking now, that's terrible.

Also, I'll be starting work on a legion page for the as of yet unnamed democracy legion, located on my 1d4chan userpage.

>>49605178
>Imperium Mechanicus
Would it help if I compulsively wrote rules for them, after I'm done doing the exact same neurotic exercise with the knight houses?

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>>49608224
>Would it help if I compulsively wrote rules for them, after I'm done doing the exact same neurotic exercise with the knight houses?
No.

>>49608322
You can't stop me. Data must me collected, and analyzed. If it does not exist, it must be created.

Praise the Omnissiah.

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>>49602823
>Kalkas Tygian
This is neat stuff. I don't know much about the OU fabricator general and mars because I haven't read Mechanicum yet, but it seems like Tygian is far more politically zealous. It reads like almost an inquisition, which I like.

What consequences on the setting are there from having a far more iron-fisted and Fabricator General? Does Hektor end up gaining their support like Horus did?

Got some new concept stuff done for my Legion Background.

===A Legion of Immigrants===
The Emperor always intended the seventh legion to be one of the workhorses of his Great Crusade, drawing recruits from the techno-barbarian populations of the teeming Merican (yes, that is canonically what north america was called during the Unification Wars) hives, swelling their numbers such that they were one of the largest legions. However, their primarch was one of the last to be discovered, so the Mighty Seventh legion served directly under the command of [[Hektor Cincinnatus]], comprising a sizable minority of his forces for much of the early crusade. Entire chapters were seconded to other generals, to the point where by the time their primarch was found, there were few primarchs who hadn't commanded warriors of the Seventh on a few occasions. The legion had little identity. Their warriors were scattered across the stars, serving under a dozen generals with a dozen creeds of war, though they were never the equals of their brother marines in the eyes of their commanders. While some primarchs regarded them higher than others, none could treat these seconded warriors as they would their own sons. Resentment and discontent started to rise in the fragmented legion as they were given second rate equipment, given the most brutal or most boring assignments. As the decades dragged on and they saw primarch after primarch found, and victory after victory won, and glory after glory claimed by their brother legions, their hearts grew more and more bitter. Why should a privileged few, by chance of fate and lineage, be held above them, The Mighty Seventh, they, who fought on a million battlefields across the galaxy, they, whose chapters often outnumbered the entire legion of the primarch who commanded them? More and more often commands were met with angry silence before bitter, grudging compliance.

>>49609298

When it finally seemed the center could no longer hold, that some warriors of the Seventh were close to outright rebellion, a light shone across the great black sea of stars, a light that the Seventh had been waiting for. Word began to spread: a new primarch had been found. ''Their'' Primarch had been found. They heard of a great warrior and inventor, a man who had conquered his homeworld and a dozen systems nearby, a man who now called for his sons to return. They heard of their primarch and his confederation of worlds, and they dreamed. They dreamed of a realm where they could earn their own glories, make their own legends. They dreamed of manufactorum worlds that could fill their increasingly sparse armories with new weapons of war, and dozens of new worlds that could shore up their shrinking legion with fresh recruits. But more than anything, they dreamed of serving under the command of a primarch who loved and respected them, one who deserved their talents. But dream as they did, their duties could not simply be cast aside. The furor and zeal of the Seventh in those days was legendary; driven by their hope, they threw themselves into their campaigns with a fury unmatched. Sieges that had worn on for months were finished in a climactic bloodbath over hours. Campaigns that had raged for years were finished in weeks, with warriors of the Seventh taking horrendous casualties on missions that bordered on madness, just to expedite their reunion with their primarch. It took years, but one by one, the chapters of the Mighty Seventh headed for Columbia, leaving behind a thousand crushed empires and petty xenos races. Many chapters stopped on the way to help their brothers finish whatever campaign they'd been tied to, and occasionally "persuade" certain primarchs and commanders who were reluctant to release the warriors of the Seventh under their command to let them go.

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>>49604842
>>How to change the Imperial Cult from an underground group to state religion. Proposed idea here >>49592021 →

Religions don't start because somebody with a lot of power decides to start a church. Religions start in the masses, grassroots style. In the OU, Euphrati Keeler starts preaching about the God Emperor before the heresy breaks out. She escapes on the eisenstein, and starts preaching in secret temples across the orbital plates of Terra. Rogal Dorn tries to hunt her down but there are dozens of false trails and thousands of people protecting her from arbites investigators.

When you have something like that spreading, nothing can stop it. It doesn't matter if Gaspard has a boner for the Imperial Truth so hard it could cut glass. What's he gonna do, execute half the people in the Imperium for apostacy? No statesman can truly control the minds of his people.

How did Christianity go from being an underground group to a state religion? Simple. It grew until the believers outnumbered the unbelievers. In Rome's case it spread specifically among the soldiers, and so politicians had to grant christianity state approval to gain the favor of the legions.

Eventually, the hydra simply has too many heads.

>>49609308
One by one, the marines of the Seventh arrived at Columbia. In ragged and tired fleets they came over decades, worn and beaten from their journey and their furious parting campaigns, to say nothing of the proceeding years of neglect. Fleet after fleet transferred out of the warp to see the grand star-fortress Yorkton, atop which stood the towering bronze colossus, Lady Columbia herself, beacon raised to guide them, hand outstretched to welcome them. Upon arrival, each and every one of them was broken down from their original chapters and reformed into a new battlefleet, with each chapter being broken down to individual squads and mixed into other chapters. Marines were broken into roles for their legion depending on what skills they had acquired, creating a melting pot of the skills of other legions. Every marine found himself in a new company, in a new chapter, in a new battlefleet, but his squadmates were still with him and they were all resupplied from the vast forges and foundries of the UCFM. The morale crisis that had so long plagued the legion was blasted away by the presence of their Primarch, the bettering of their lives, and the Light of Columbia. Finally, this weary Seventh legion had a home. Finally, they had a father. Finally, they had a name. No longer were they scattered, unlauded, unpainted grey soldiers. Now they were the Sons of Columbia, unstoppable in might and unmatchable in number.

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>>49609298
>>49609308
>>49609320
There are two main goals in mind here.

First, avoid stepping on the toes of other writers. I know there's a lot of lore established already, so I'm intentionally moving forward with a legion that doesn't require a ton of interaction with other author's legion, but will still have the galactic presence to do so if people so desire. The legion is self sufficient enough that it won't ever need help, and the primarch (believing firmly in democracy and liberty) would be initially mistrustful of his brothers, seeing them as tyrants until proven otherwise, so it's unlikely he'd go out of his way to interact with them.

Second, I want to create an idealized western democracy IN SPESS, leaning heavily on American culture (especially that of the 17-1800's) that will slowly devolve into increasingly totalitarian and imperialistic methods as the heresy/crusade goes on. The idea here is to parody/imitate the ups and downs of western/american values and cultural habits, and shove them into 40k to watch the ensuing chaos.

Third, I want to keep true to American culture with the legion. It's going to be a legion of immigrants who grew up among other legions and learned their way, then brought them to a shining idealized state that isn't so perfect if you look closely. They're going to have crazy industrial and military power, and they're going to generally give zero shits about what other legions are doing (i want to clarify that this will just be a lore point, I'll still do my best to avoid stepping on other writefag's toes).

They're probably going to end up being the bastard children of the Ultramarines and Iron Warriors, with a topcoat of American Exceptionalism and British Imperialism.

In future, you guys should put some kind of new-poster blurb and a link to the wiki hub in your OP like we do. I've found the simple blurb in our OPs is very effective at keeping a steady flow of anonposters to help out and ask questions.

Also I welcome project cross-pollination. Feel free to come poke holes in Imperium Asunder's plot so we can make it make more sense >>49572784

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Look what I found

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>>49605178
Where have I seen that face before?

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>>49609544
For the sake of comparison.

Not sure which I prefer.

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>>49609544
But then again, there is this.

>>49609544
I saw your sketch you posted after I went to bed last night.

I'll always feel the original is best (because it shall forever hold the first place in my heart), but it's pretty cool that you felt like going back and doing another.

>>49609544
>>49610193
He looks less boyish in the second one.

>>49610387

On for his finding, another for him on the eve of the Destruction of Lazarus?

>>49609544
>>49610193
The hair is better in the first. It looks more realistic I think, and its style fits better with the other portraits imo

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>>49610609

The second does show more of the armour though. I like it when they show a bit of the armour bling.

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>>49610705
You mean the third one?

>>49609161
Kalkas ends up really weeding out the idiots and placing the more secretive, intelligent Hereteks even higher up. It ends up making the Martian civil war bloodier than in OU.

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Shh! Ideas are forming...

Chaos Undivided Traitor Army, animated by clockwork and electronics. Like those German zombies in Sucker Punch.

>>49611087

I'd fund it.

>>49611160
So lets see...

>Gren (Working name) Bloody Eyes
Scopedog IA.

>Solidus Chromehounds
Metal... Gear? Minus the ICBMs.

>XXX Windups (Working name)
Traitor clockwork zombie IA.

Also, can we, like, drop those galactic interchange guys?

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>>49611087
>>49611160
>>49611250

Could be fun. 1/3rd skitarii, 1/3rd chaos daemons, 1/3rd Cult Mechanicus, 100% fuck your MEQ's.

>>49611250
>Solidus Chromehounds
>not Diamond Hounds

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>>49611711
Remember the fallen, friend.

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>>49609298
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>>49609320
This is awesome.

I think naming it Columbia is a wee bit on the nose, but other than that, you've got some awesome bits so far. Keep up the good work!

>>49610206
>pic related

>>49611250
>>49611711
>Diamond Hounds
Seconded.

>Although we do have the Canis Vulpin Regiments.

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>>49612038
>>Diamond Hounds
>Seconded.
BITCH IT'S A REFERENCE

>>49612038
I'll have their entire legion identity and primarch story written out by the end of the night.

I'm digging the Sons of Columbia legion name and Columbia homeworld, so I'm keeping that shit.

Writing out the more formalized primarch story now.

>>49609430
>>49612122
I really like this idea. Looking forward to hearing about the primarch. The focus on a melting pot legion is interesting, presents a lot of opportunities for a "libertarian" type of legion that prides itself on the inventiveness of its individual commanders, a lot of specialization and unique units, which in turn gives infinite opportunity for interesting warbands and characters.

I can certainly see his point here >>49612038 though. I tried messing with the spelling and that wasn't yielding much. It's not too bad though, it's not like its Planet Washington.

>>49611913
>someone else remembers chrome hounds
you're good people

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>>49612122

You know you're also going to have to write out a Legion Organisation and doctrine page similar to this.

===A Legion of Liberators===
With fresh spirits and renewed fury, the Sons of Columbia took to the stars in their great battlefleets, each a great armada of ships with multiple chapters of warriors and hundreds of thousands of loyal militia reserve. First the legion began conquering all the worlds surrounding the Federation, freeing system after system from Xenos intruders who'd dared claimed the rightful territory of man, and petty human civilizations who kept their citizens from enjoying the light of freedom. Soon they'd taken a massive swathe of Segmentum Obscuras. Supposedly they conquered in the name of the Emperor, but even from the beginning there were those within the Imperium who recognised that Thomas Magton was conquering not for the Emperor, but for his own ideals of democracy and fair rule. Over the following years, the Sons of Columbia conquered hundreds of worlds for the Federation, turning those closest to the center into lush garden worlds whose agricultural output fed the rest of the Federation. Those worlds further out became manufactorum worlds to feed the great armies of Columbia. Worlds at the edge of the newly expanded federation became fortress worlds, made intentionally unfit for life by the intense stripmining and the use of atomantic bombs to burn away the atmospheres of the worlds to make them that much harder to attack or occupy, until they were little more than dark, barren balls of rock that bristled with fortresses, armories, and orbital defense platforms. With shot and sword, with fire and fury, the Sons of Columbia brought life and light to every world they touched.

>>49612429
After their great federation was secured, the Sons took to their duty as crusaders, going forth into the stars to reclaim them for humanity. To many of the commanders they'd once served under, it had seemed like the legion had disappeared. Decades ago rumors of their primarch had begun to spread, and the warriors of the Seventh had begun their mass exodus from the warzones of the empire. If word was to be believed they were working with Thomas Magton, a man most of the Primarchs had never even seen, much less met. There were stories of a new power rising in the west, but there was so little contact with them in the chaotic days of the Great Crusade that none could be sure. After what seemed to many to be decades of silence from the Seventh Legion, they surged forth from their home systems to simultaneously assist in the galactic war they'd ignored for so long. Where the departing seventh legion had deprived commanders of tens of thousands of warriors, the returning Sons of Columbia brought them back reinforced, along with dozens of fresh fleets and millions of mortal soldiers. All across the galaxy, the Sons of Liberty worked alongside those who had once commanded them, winning campaign after campaign with their overwhelming firepower and versatile soldiers.

>>49612445
To many the Sons seemed to be a blessing, an infusion of men and materiel sorely needed as the increasing demands of the Great Crusade began to wear on the Imperium's army and manufacturing capacity. A few more perceptive individuals were smart enough to worry. From the beginning, the cracks between the Sons of Liberty and the rest of the Imperium were plain to see for those who cared to look. The long years serving under the command of other primarchs, many of whom cared little for them, had left them weary of the wider Imperium, to say nothing of their primarch's distrust for his father. It had never been enough to incite thoughts of rebellion, but it was enough. At best this guarded approach grew to be a glorious thing, fueling friendly rivalries between the Sons of Liberty and the legions they had once served under. This lead to famous campaigns such as the scouring of Amatsu, where the Sons of Liberty and the Heralds of Hektor took an entire system of fortress worlds and moons in less than three hours, spurring each other to greater feats of courage and ingenuity with friendly taunts and boasting. At worst, the Sons bordered on traitorous. Some legions they entirely refused to work alongside, such as the [[Eternal Zealots]] and [[Black Augurs]], whose practices they saw as deviant and immoral. Many in command of the legion also held bitter sentiments, resenting the commanders they'd once served under. Often times they refused to cooperate or communicate with other legions at all, fighting in their own warzones whenever possible, and when circumstances dictated, they'd fight ''alongside'' their brother legions, but never ''with'' them.

Can we specify which Legions currently have an active writer and which ones are on the chopping block?

>>49612512
On the chopping block, we have the Crimson Teeth.

>>49612547
The Justicars also have the "to-be-Exterminatus'd" thing on the top of their article on 1d4chan, that should be taken down then.

Also, most of the Legion pages haven't been touched for a while, do we know who's currently in charge of which?

>>49612620
That... is news to me. I'm going to see what that's about.

>>49612429
>A Legion of Liberators
Actually, I like the name Liberators.

>>49612249
>Planet Washington
Ooh, good idea.

>Lots of legion variety
That's the idea. I imagine the legion having literally tens of thousands of possible loyalists when the heresy kicks off, because of just how diverse and spread out they all are.

>lots of specialization and unique units
Yup, just gotta balance that against their MUH HEAVY WEAPONS theme. And roughriders. So help me god, they're going to have a NOTteddy Roosevelt who leads an army of elite roughriders, because America invented that name, so hell if we aren't going to own it.

>>49612389
I'll write out a formalized legion structure later on, but it probably won't be so involved as that one. The Sons of Columbia will have battlefleets as their primary organization (much like USA naval battlegroups). Each one with 10,000 astartes (including support staff) along with hundreds of thousands of shipmen and mortal militia warriors (guard). There will be 15-20 of these active within the galaxy at any given point during the heresy, with more being made as time goes on (because of this, they'll likely be one of the largest legions, if not the largest, but they'll have a lot of loyalists to help counterbalance that when the heresy kicks off).

>>49612701
Still digging the Sons of Columbia name, but I get the feeling Liberators might grow on me. I'll have to see how it sits in my head as I work.

>>49612742

>sons of colombia

So you're making Bioshock Infinite: The Legion?

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>>49612755
Dude, Columbia is way older than bioshock. They took an american symbol and ran with it. If you made a legion called the Brave Companions, and gave it a nordic theme, are you making Skyrim: The legion? No, because that name and idea are way older than video games.


Columbia (also known as Lady Liberty) was basically the US's mascot until Uncle Sam took over the job, Pic related.

>>49612742
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>>49609430
>>49609320
>>49609308
>>49609298

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Screaming_Eagles

Someone done beat ya to the punch, boy. Merican Mehreens is old hat.

>>49612742
I'm guessing you're either Navy or a Navy kid. Just a guess.

>>49612620
Still looking into this, will find out more info, but they are not getting deleted anytime soon.

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>>49612808
>"Thing is way older than [reference] and it upsets me when people think it came from [reference]
>Doesn't know Columbia was a reference to Christopher Columbus

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>>49612808
Josman, perhaps you can distill it to its core essence of themes while removing the opaque references, and switching them out for something else? For example, the Iroquis had plenty of democracy going on, as did Polish Slavs, and so on. Find something for a theme of democracy, and run with it. So you can have this corruptive downfall play out without it being entirely Murica Muhreens, because as stated by the Anon below - it's been done, and we can all do better.

The obvious answer is rip off Rome. Like, seriously ripping off Republican Rome would be stupidly easy. Unfortunately EVERYTHING 40k is Roman.

>>49612836
That's a skeleton of an idea. It's got no substance beyond being a joke, and my interpretation is better. Rather than just "red white and blue marines who don't like tau" I came up with an actual backstory and legion culture. I continue onward!

>>49612890
I do know it's a reference to Christopher Columbus, and I don't know why you'd infer I didn't from what I said.

>>49612934
>it's been done
I firmly insist that it hasn't though. That 1d4chan page isn't a page about a chapter, it's a basic concept someone put ten minutes of work into. You want Polish marines? Been done. Iroquois marines? Been done. Instead of saying I should change my themeing, explain WHY I should change it. 40k is jammed to the gills with direct approximations from history. Why not have some NOTamericans?

>>49612986
The point is that when you take on the mantle of a culture to be your inspiration, writers never manage to extract themselves from that "parody" realm.

By accepting a theme, you have an easy road to write on, but you also cripple your ability to do anything original.

>>49612986
Well, I'm going to be frank. America doesn't have a rich enough history, honestly. Also, none of the themes you want are tied specifically to a culture. Now I'm being obtuse, you are correct that switching the naming and such around won't really change anything. But what I'm hoping to say here is...

Warhammer is about many, many things. Primarily absurd science fiction and fantasy escapism. American names are very recent in our collective conscience so it instantly pulls us out of that. Plus, many people are more familiar of America and American culture as it's the main culture of Globalism. So they're more aware of references to it.

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I'm still not really re-acclimated to the Hektor Heresy setting so take my opinions with a grain of salt. Also I read notoriously slowly because I sub-vocalize and I'm still going through what you wrote.

>>49612944
One thing having more raw copy than another does not make it better. It's the same basic idea, you just came up with a relatively simple backstory and wrote it with a serious tone instead of a tongue-in-cheek one. You can jam out a few paragraphs on a concept in very little time, that doesn't necessary make that concept good. Personally I think cultural allusions aren't a very good basis for a legion. It leads to things seeming really cartoony and sometimes very forced. That is not to imply that your idea is cartoony or forced.

Here are a few questions to help flesh out and explore the idea:
>Which Primarch and Legion do they get along with most? Who do their ideologies match well with?
>Which Primarch and Legion do they get along with least? Who do their ideologies clash with?
>How do they fight, and why do they fight that way?
>If the Galaxy was at peace, what would they be instead of soldiers?
>How do you imagine the introduction of Thomas Magton would alter the plotline? What major impacts would he have?
>If you completely stripped their !American theme, what would be left?
>What is cool about this idea to you? Where did it come from, and why do you like it enough to suggest it?

>>49612986
Because of all the nations that have ever existed, MURHICA has the most baggage and memes attached to it, save for maybe Rome.

No one will ever give your work an unbiased look, and you will get harassed forever depending on what perspective you legitimize in your work.

For example: Trail of Tears, a classically "American" event in their history.

If you allude to this event in your work, you then take all the vitriol that has built up in the real world regarding the Trail of Tears, and inject it into your own writing. If you come out and imply that America shouldn't have done it, you get yelled at by Manifest Destiny wanks. If you say that the Trail was ok, you get yelled at by liberals.


Similar reasons apply to all other historical events of course, this is merely an illustrative example. Learn to make your references more subtle, or be doomed to the same hamfisted, brainless barrel of mediocrity the https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Screaming_Eagles falls into.

>>49613118
And like this guy says, everyone knows America, and all the meme baggage that it carries with it.

>>49612986
Is it really worth your time to make Murica The Legion just so you can wank over having a gigantic navy, or be the seven billionth person to say "Boy that Teddy Roosevelt guy was AWESOME, I remember reading that Cracked article about him five years ago like everyone else!

>>49613080
Can you name one original thing in all of warhammer? Because I can't My goal is not to be original in concept, there are no original concepts left in warhammer. There are marimes, either canon or fanmade, for every single idea you could come up with. My idea, as stated here >>49609430 is to mix 18th and 19th century american ideals, with mixed european imperialist themes. I can show how even genuinely pluralistic, democractic societies could be corrupted by the conditions of the 40k universe, something that no writer has ever really touched. Before you shout tau, consider that they're far more facist than communist or democratic.

>>49613118
>America doesn't have a rich enough history, honestly
1. HAHAHAHAHA
2. Some other legion cultures include: Criminals, wizards, ravens, and lizards. How 'bout that rich wizard history, or that sick raven culture?

>it's too recent
You know what's more recent than 1700's and 1800's american culture? World War I (death corps of krieg), World War II (iron warriors, imperial guard), Vietnam (Catachan Jungle Fighters), modern special forces (Elysian Drop Troops, Deathwatch).

>they're more aware of the references
Are they? Because I bet your average person could tell me more about vikings or mongols than they could tell me about valley forge. For crying out loud, most people who see the legion name are going to think of bioshock before they think of the nation's first mascot.

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>>49613118
Has a really good point. 40k in general, and the Hektor Heresy especially, is full of alliterations and references.

I put a commander literally named Snake Fisher into the IR, for example. There is a tightrope to walk though. If you just namedrop throughout your work, it takes the reader out of what you're trying to say, and invites issues as pointed out in >>49613149

I generally like to obfuscate what I'm referencing through at least a layer of synonym and language. When you're using proper nouns, that makes the task a bit harder.

Generally, we created our Legions, tactics, and methods first and fit that to a culture second.

Don't get me wrong, I like what you've got, and want more of it. But always take the time to listen to criticism, even if it's harsh and/or blunt. And within this group, we have a strong tendency for harsh and blunt critique.

>>49613145
>You can jam out a few paragraphs quick
Actually, this is what I spent my entire arternoon on. I guarentee I've put more thought into it than anyone else here. While that does make me more inclined to be defensive about it, it also means that I can see things the rest of you can't right now, including the considerable about of work I've yet to post yet. I'm going to keep worlking on it till it's a complete project. Then we can judge it.

>Which priamrchs/legion do they get along with well.
Already started working on this to some extent, can't do anything substantive without other writefags agreeing.

>Which primarchs/legion do they get along with least
Same answer as above.

>How do they fight, and in what way.
I literally have entire tabletop rulesets written for them. Tactics, rules, and the fluff to back them up? You're entering MY territory, friend.

>If they galaxy was at peace, what would they be doing
Already written out, just haven't posted it yet, though this question is less useful than you might think. Ask yourself the same of the Black Templars, or the Space Wolves.

>How do you imagine the introduction of the Sons of Columbia will impact the plotline
Already posted, just go read up. The first answer kind of applies here again.

>If you complete stripped the merican theme, what would be left.
Almost everything. The ONLY overty american references in the entire freaking writeup is names and terminology. Shining beacon, melting pot, columbia... Those are just names I could change those and you'd never know it was based on America if you didn't stop to read between the lines.

>What is cool about this idea.
In a word? Contrast.

>>49613323
>something that no writer has ever really touched
>I guarentee I've put more thought into it than anyone else here.
Step 1 of being a good writer is to get the fuck over yourself.

>>49613323
I take it back.

You're just as buttflustered as all the other people that have taken part in the Hektor Heresy, and you react just as badly when people pick holes in blatantly meme-laden ideas.

Have fun, you belong here.

>>49613149
>Because of all the nations that have ever existed, MURHICA has the most baggage and memes attached to it, save for maybe Rome.
Explain to me how this is relevant. Are you worried about offending someone? I'm not just being facetious here, I genuinely don't get it.

>>49613149
>No one will ever give your work an unbiased look
This is true of literally all human work in history. Everyone has biases.

>You risk injecting modern feelings into your perception
Again, I don't see how this is a bad thing. There are oodles and oodles of that in canon 40k.

>>49613149
>Similar reasons apply to all other historical events of course, this is merely an illustrative example. Learn to make your references more subtle, or be doomed to the same hamfisted, brainless barrel of mediocrity the https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Screaming_Eagles falls into.

I think this >>49613401
>>If you complete stripped the merican theme, what would be left.
>Almost everything. The ONLY overty american references in the entire freaking writeup is names and terminology. Shining beacon, melting pot, columbia... Those are just names I could change those and you'd never know it was based on America if you didn't stop to read between the lines.
Illustrates my point quiet well. As I've said, all the names are a work in progress, and the themes behind them are strong.

>>49613392
I think your answers would be found in the above, and here >>49613401 .

>>49613414
Prove me wrong. Seriously, don't just say I'm wrong, make a point.

>>49613433
If you aren't going to actually make a point, your word is worth nothing. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm flustered or reacting badly. It's called discussion. You make a point. I disagree with you. You make a counterpoint. I disagree with that. It's not hard.

>>49613401
I wasn't being combative or even implying that your writing was bad but you're being really defensive.

>Already started working on this to some extent, can't do anything substantive without other writefags agreeing.
I'm asking for speculation, not substantive canon.

>I literally have entire tabletop rulesets written for them
I'm not talking about rules

>You're entering MY territory, friend.
get over yourself

>this question is less useful than you might think. Ask yourself the same of the Black Templars, or the Space Wolves.
Actually, that answer is *extremely* useful. Knowing that the Spess Wolves couldn't possibly be anything other than soldiers tells you a LOT about them.

>Almost everything. The ONLY overty american references in the entire freaking writeup is names and terminology. Shining beacon, melting pot, columbia... Those are just names I could change those and you'd never know it was based on America if you didn't stop to read between the lines.
The theme runs a LOT deeper than that, dude. It seems to pervade everything they are. The grimdark democracy shit stems directly from the American theme. What I'm asking is, what ELSE is there?

>>49613456
>people disagree with him
>counterpoints to him are made

>NO SRSLY BRO PROVE ME WRONG

Come on dude, you want mathematical proofs for cultural and literary concepts? Damn you're full of yourself. You should know better than that.

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>>49613456
>Prove me wrong. Seriously, don't just say I'm wrong, make a point.
What a fundamental misunderstanding of a post. That post had nothing to do with right/wrong.

A warhammer 40k American fanfic legion you hammered out in an afternoon is not the second coming of jesus christ. This is not high literature, it's fun garbage posted on 4chan.

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Hey guys what's-

I'll come back later.

>>49613523
Nah, come, sit, stay.

>>49613523
Lemme grab a beer and a lawn chair for ya.

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>>49613523
>>49613533
>>49613546
In other news, check out this short excerpt I wrote and keep reposting because nobody comments on it because it's relatively insubstantial and nothing really happens.

http://pastebin.com/vK5bEAKM

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>>49613523
I made you a weeaboo. See pic.

I also want to daemons in Pacificus.

>>49613464
>you're being really defensive.
Quite possibly. I'm somewhat annoyed by the fact that people are complaining about a legion being too american, despite the fact that it has only 3 overt american references.

>speculation, no substantive canon
Like I said, working on it.

>I'm not talking about rules
I know. But in order to make rules, you need a very solid idea of how an army fights. Meant to imply that, should have been more clear.

>get over yourself
That was a joke, a reference to the majority of my work on the project thus far; taking lore concepts and converting them into practical terms and tabletop rules.

>questioning their use outside battle
Okay, that's fair, I phrased that really poorly. My point was more to reference the fact that war is absolutely intrinsic to most warhammer 40k concepts and factions, but yeah, I was rather unclear.

>>49613464
I think I'm misunderstanding you. You're asking me what's left of my legion once I remove their legion culture?... What's left of the space wolves when you take out the wolves and vikings? What's left of the Catachan jungle fighters when you remove vietnam war movies? What's left of the Blood Angels when you remove the vampire/angel/artist thing they have going on?... Guys with guns. That's what's left.

>>49613491
My point was that you never really made a counterpoint. To use your own idiom against you, my idea was A. You criticism was B. I countered B with C. You then said, "yeah but B".

>>49613500
>none of this is important
I know. What made you think I thought it was important. People made comments.I responded to them. Discussion happened. If you're going to make literary criticism, why would you be annoyed at me using the same ideas to debate your ideas?

>>49613456
You wanna write a democratic government falling to madness, despair, and grimdark? Fine.

You wanna write of a people in a shining state with darkness within? Sure.

You want a Legion that's more of a grab-bag/melting pot of skills and abilities, rather than a more rigidly defined organization style? Great.

NONE OF THAT NEEDS TO HAVE ANY LINKS TO AMERICA OR ITS CULTURE.

You can just as easily make up the names, make up the places, and call it a day, and then you're FREE. Free to write whatever you want without someone going "Oh, Tehdi Rhuuseveldt is a Chapter Master? I bet he's a real... Rough Rider on that Marine Bike of his, LOLOLOL".

That's why cultural and historic references are good to use for themes, but when people make it obvious that it's just some wallpaper layered over a bunch of Wikipedia historical articles, it kinda looks a bit shite, mate.

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>>49613589
>What's left of the space wolves when you take out the wolves and vikings?
The Space Wolves are the Emperor's executioners. They do not balk at orders others would refuse. They do what they are told, no matter how horrible the task. They are introspective, constantly vigilant against malificarum, and unendingly suspicious of others.

pic related.

>>49613606
They why are the most popular 40k and 30k chapters/legions just space marine + broad concept (ie, Knights, Vikings, Vampires, Ravens)?

>>49613589

>only 3 references
Yes, you only have 3 references, but they are rather LOUD references.

>In general
I'm just going to venture that you're not really used to doing something like this. Take a breath, disconnect your own personal feelings from your work, and look at it dispassionately. I'm guilty of being overly protective of my own work on more than one occasion. We all are. But we also need to forget our own egos once in a while and learn to live with others' judgement.

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>>49613717
Why are we still arguing over this?

>>49613145

Interesting to see how those would fit in with the more recent version of Golgothos, the version that goes insane and decides that all humanity must become Dreadnoughts so they can conquer death.

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>>49613589
>people are complaining about a legion being too american
Don't conflate posters. Other people may be complaining about that, I'm not. I'm just asking questions so you can (hopefully) show that they're more than a caricature. I think it's a potentially neat idea, though I admit I think it's currently a little weak. That's why I'm asking for more: because I like what I've seen already. Although I agree strongly with Merril that references should be obfuscated.

These questions are not attacks on the concept. They are attempts to give you opportunities to explore further. I have found such prompting questions extremely useful in my own writing. I'm only trying to help, brother.

>Like I said, working on it.
Work on it here in the thread, then. Show us more. Spitball.

>That was a joke, a reference to the majority of my work on the project thus far; taking lore concepts and converting them into practical terms and tabletop rules.
OK, it read like sort of a "i know what I'm talking about and you don't." Sorry about that. Can you share those lore concepts further? Ideas are no good if they stay in your head.

>Okay, that's fair, I phrased that really poorly. My point was more to reference the fact that war is absolutely intrinsic to most warhammer 40k concepts and factions, but yeah, I was rather unclear.
So are they that kind of warriors, who think of nothing BUT war? Or are they more like Lumey's dudes who have minds toward more loftier concepts? Are they mindless weapons, or warrior idealists? How do they see war? And more importantly, WHY do they see it that way?

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>>49613773
It was written just before IA came about and I learned the Hektor Heresy was still going, so it's sort of agnostic to the new Entombed (who i can't stop raving about, honestly, you guys really improved the concept.)

Most particularly i'm interested in what you guys think of the psyker slave idea. I think it would fit well with the new Necrowalker narrative, with Golgothos hating all sorts of "magick."

>>49613677
Honesty, I think this guy >>49613606 answers your point better than I could. NONE of the concepts I have absolutely NEED to be american. There are plenty of other cultures in history that have come together from disparate ethnic groups to become a much more powerful collective. Peel away the american stuff, and what's left? Pretty much all of it.

>>49613742
They're also references I've said multiple times are subject to ongoing change. For example, I have the legion's current battlecry as "remember the alamo!" because I couldn't think of anything and threw it in their as a placeholder.

>>49613742
>that you're not really used to doing something like this
This is what I do for a living. I write. My frustration and defensiveness is probably coming more from the fact that I'm used to working in a more professional format. For the vast majority of my work, if there's something wrong with it, an editor/supervisor will tell me EXACTLY what's wrong with it and why. Here, I'm getting all kinds of mixed messages. I'm simultaneously taking it too seriously but not taking it seriously enough, I'm too American despite not being American at all.

I'm very used to other's judgement, I'm just also used to working with people who literally get paid to be really, *really* good at criticizing people's work.

>>49613787
>Don't conflate posters
Yes, sorry, you're totally right in that regard. I primarily work with logical systems and numbers (hence my entering the project by starting with numbers), so I'm good at following one long train of reasoning or logic to the exclusion of all others. I've been mixing up people's criticisms and getting frustrated when I try to apply them because they're directly contradictory.

>Work on it in the thread.
Again, professional habits spilling over into amateur projects. I'm used to finishing something before it ever sees anyone else's eyes.

>>49613787
>Ideas are no good if they stay in your head.
But that's what I'm used to doing, sadly.

>Are they mindless weapons, or warrior idealists? How do they see war? And more importantly, WHY do they see it that way?
This was actually one of the more fun ideas I've been building to in my work thus far, because it's one of the few areas where warhamer directly parallels to real life. What happens when a massive economy and government devoted to war suddenly have no wars to fight? Just look at the multi-trillion dollar juggernaught we call the American Military Industrial Complex.

I haven't had time for a deep concept dive yet (trying to stay focused on basic plots and backstory for the moment) but I look forward to it immensely. That's actually the reason why I'm writing their stellar empire to never fall, and the legion to never retreat to the Eye. You get to see what a chaos Maccrage would look like (or rather, how ongoing war could push a democratic, pluralistic society away from their roots, especially if that thread were omnipresent and fractious in nature (the warp, the imperium, etc).

>>49613820
Question for you. I get the impression that you're Golgy's OG writefag, so I feel I should ask. In some of the art, I see Golgothos depicted as having a Castraferrum chassis, and in others (and in his 1d4chan page) he has a Leviathan chassis. Care to comment? My original calculations for his tabletop balance are off if he's rocking a boxnought, so I'll want to rewrite that if I was mistaken the first time.

>>49613890
>NONE of the concepts I have absolutely NEED to be american

So just do that then. No Columbia. No totally-not-the-aircraft-carrier-Yorktown (Or the reference to the Battle of Yorktown, whichever the "fortress" bit refers to). No references to democracy, just let them *be* a democracy without drawing attention to it. No "modified" American names, no references to presidents or military leaders, none of that.

And then you'll probably be fine, your story can stand on its own merits without just being a bunch of references.

Thanagor Vorklex, Crownless King of the Mornagar Stellar Compact sounds a lot better than Worge Geoshington, Commander in Chief of Colombia, or whatever, you dig?

And then they can still be Marines with a democratic/libertarian ideological bent, who love big guns and big personal heroism, who often leap before they look, but oftentimes still have the raw courage and fortitude to make it through to the other side. They can be oft-bedeviled by filthy xenos hiding amongst civilian populations, they can be equipped with massive amounts of weaponry they don't need nor use well (because the ForgeWorld politicians said the guns had to be made). They can move with confidence, but often bicker amongst themselves far more than other Legions.

They may even not respect their Primarch very much.

And none of that needs to be American at all. And if you're determined to make this Legion, then I think that's the proper way to go about it.

>>49614026
>So just do that then. No Columbia.
Why? No one will answer this question. Just. Fucking. WHY? Sorry if I seem exasperated, but I just don't see why it's a bad thing; it doesn't hamper anyone else, why would it hamper me? Warhammer is absolutely PACKED with that kind of shit. It fits the setting just fine to overtly lean on another culture's history. Why is space elves, space stalinists, space marines, space WWII, space WWI, space prussians, space mongols, space vikings, space vampires, and space orcs all cool, but space Americans (Americans, the culture that actually spends more time and money on space travel than anyone else) is going too far?

Okay, maybe I should tone down some of the direct american references, but using the western culture has all kinds of potential, moreso than many existing factions.

>just being a bunch of references
This is another point that frustrates me to know end. My legion concept has barely any references in it. Yes, as some have pointed out, its references are very loud, but the actual events that take place stand on their own.

>Naming things.
The primarch name is actually based on an obscure statistic and a pun.

Statistic: Thomas was one of the most common names for a government official in the 1800's US, surpassed only by John.

Pun: in his origin story, his first act on coming to his homeworld is to slam into a structure/knight with his gestation pod, blowing it up, as if it were a many megaton explosion. Megaton? Magton? Heh...

Yeah, it's shit, I know.

Honestly, America just isn't 40K enough.

>>49614175
>Why is space elves, space stalinists, space marines, space WWII, space WWI, space prussians, space mongols, space vikings, space vampires, and space orcs all cool, but space Americans (Americans, the culture that actually spends more time and money on space travel than anyone else) is going too far?
This is literally the first funny thing you've said today.

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The fuck is going on?

>>49614214
We're sperging out. Join us.

>>49614192
I sincerely hope this is a joke, but I'm tired as fuck so I can't tell.

>>49613890
>>49613939
Well, you might like Lumey a bit more, then. I'm just generally concerned with "do what you're doing better," he's usually more specific.

>>49614026
Also some of this. The Iron Rangers are actually Iroquois Marines. The Scale Bearers are Plains Indians (That actually started with the original Tiran, I just picked them up after he left because Tiran was a good dude and Space Marines riding fucking dinosaurs). But those are window dressings. Make a defining culture around them, but directly drawing attention to what it is can be harmful in the long run.

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>>49614214
New guy is being given crap because his references are too obvious, then there was almost a flame war because people were getting defensive. Pull up a chair and join me.

>>49614253
I mean the names just aren't 40K

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>>49614253
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>>49613981

It was changed to a Leviathan after the model was released and everyone thought 'This looks cooler then a Castraferrum, plus the Emperor made the Leviathan Himself, so it makes sense he would use a Leviathan for Golgothos.'

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>>49614355
Could we not what? Watch the madness unfold? Dealing with criticisms and trolls is probably one of the hallmarks of the project.

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Okay folks, how bout this?

>Change the chapter name to Liberators
Fits their legion culture well, isn't a direct reference to americam Credit to Zorg for the name.

>Rework naming conventions within the legion
I think I'll work them to fit the naming conventions of other legions, to further reflect their status as an immigrant legion.

Things I won't change (and why):

>The Primarch's name
Because it's a stupid pun and I have a bad sense of humor

>The focus on democracy
Because it's absolutely central in their interactions with the imperium. Removing democracy and independence from the Liberators/Sons of Comlumbia/MURICAmarines would be like removing secrecy from the Dark Angels or removing Heroism from the space wolves. It isn't window dressing, it's integral to who they are.

>Being a giant fucking military industrial complex
Again, important to the legion culture. They're supposed to be a (kind of) rags to riches (back to rags) story.

Give me some input.

>>49614398
>>49614355
This madness ends now.

>>49614175
The issue I see with Columbia as a name is that it's exactly what you would expect the American faction in any future setting to call their realm. The name Son's of Columbia has that problem and the additional dimension of being in line with a theme that has been utilized enough in the AU already, that being the legion named after something in-universe (Heralds and Eyes) and also we have the Sons of the Emperor.

Not to mention the fact that you're squandering the potential of the idea by pigeonholing yourself as the "American Legion." Not that your guilty of this, but it can come of as a bit obvious and that had the double issue of clashing with the setting and being either too blatant or even somewhat patronizing to the reader.

The concept of the diverse groups within a larger whole, each given over-normal levels of leeway which could lead to a bickering "congress" of various commanders is awesome. I like the idea of diverse specialists and I stated in >>49612249 that I like the idea for its potential to produce a lot of interesting warbands. I think that might be something to focus on. You have references to the disparate coming together, I'd like to see the focus on these guys. The independent commanders of the various companies and chapters would naturally be more important in a legion like this and that could be a great way to start. Say you have a near tribal level of primitive cavalrymen that live and die on their rhinoceri and are led by Abuni Ak'Rhdar
instead of Teodor and his Riders Rough.

>>49614415
Attaboy josman, let go of the rage.

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>>49614415
>The madness ends
It never ends, it just keeps going and going and going...
You must learn to love it, embrace it, let it overtake you. IT IS A GOOD PAIN

>>49614415
>Fits their legion culture well, isn't a direct reference to americam Credit to Zorg for the name.
I'm the best at naming things. I named Imperium Asunder. I named me. I named the Hekatonkires.

>>49614511
This man is the name master trust him.

>>49614423
That's actually very useful, thank you.

>>49614423
>instead of Teodor and his Riders Rough.
Okay, this was a bit exaggerated. I was never literally going to have an actual teddy roosevelt in space, but I am going to have a character directly paralleling him in some ways. There are way too many colorful and interesting characters in the history of US politics not to draw inspiration from.

>Not to mention the fact that you're squandering the potential of the idea by pigeonholing yourself as the "American Legion."
You know, by and large I agree with you, but it now occurs to me that you could level the exact opposite criticism towards the legion and you'd be totally right: that the legion doesn't have ENOUGH defined culture. Given how loose the actual man to man culture within the legion is right now, you can canonically create almost any marine faction within the Liberators. You want World Eaters in Hektor Heresy? A mixed squad of marines who served with the Storm Lords and the Sons of Fire. You want Ultramarines? Well then, Captain Quintus served many terms with the Heralds of Hektor and the War Scribes, and now has a heavy discipline/martial planning bent. The Liberators could almost have Alpha-Legion esque fluff/rules that allows them to bring other legion's special units/tactics to the field, because "Oh, Colonel Dahlman served with the X legion and learned their tricks".

You're totally right, it just bears thinking.

>>49614497
Fuckoff with your memes, we have work to do! I can't start crunching numbers until my legion is written out, and NUMBERS MUST BE CRUNCHED

>>49614511
We salute you, (in)sincerely.

>>49613981
>I get the impression that you're Golgy's OG writefag,
Indeed

>Castaferrum vs Leviathan
The original idea is that his Dreadnought is Contemptor in design, but has large, blocky shoulder structure to account for the Ossuaries, and that these blocky shoulders were the inspiration for the later Castaferrum design.

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>>49614634

If you want blocky Shoulder Structures, the Leviathan is perfect for that.

>>49614634
>>49614392
>kinda contemptor, kinda castaferrum, but also leviathan
So I get to do whatever the fuck I want. Now I wish I hadn't used my happy AdMech response face already...

>>49614684
The answer is "Neither, its design is unique, but its shape inspired later designs"

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>>49614684
I got you.

>>49614733
Thanks, now we'll get supposedly semierotic images from Zorg all night. AUBREY, DROWN HIM WITH SNAKES

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>>49614760
Cheers, darling.

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>>49614579
I like the idea of drawing from the vast well of character in American history, I think it would be best if done very subtly. I love when things like that sneak up on you a few days later, not that I mind the occasional "... and that's why I carry a big stick." if done well. Amalgams of traits representative of a type of American distilled into a single character, or personalities pushed into a total alien situation and thereby made to seem totally different are some thoughts. Of course there is always casting that typically good into something very dark, but I think you've got that one.

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>>49614844
So much this. One of the reasons I loved Zorg's proposed Legions was taking something good and turning it evil.

>>49614872
Don't encourage him.

>>49614415
You're kind of an idiot. I mean congrats, your legion has lost what tiny fragments of culture they had, to the point where any individual chapter could be literally anything, but hey, at least they agree with you now, right? Its not like the planet if hats trope is part of what makes watchmaker memorable, and its good you backslid, because legions with a strong cultural identity are boring and don't comprise the vast majority of games workshops model and book sales or anything.

Passive aggressive rant aside, you should have stuck to your guns. The tg heresy has a primary named tyranosaurus and a legion whose identity is literally to act like cartoon villains. Canon primatchs include a furry, a closeted gay guy, and a berzerker. Putting Americans in space is not going too far by any stretch of the imagination. The group is not always right.

>>49614958
*warhammer
*primarch
*primarch
Autocorrect.

>>49614916
>So much this. One of the reasons I loved Zorg's proposed Legions was taking something good and turning it evil.

We had a Legion like that once. It didn't end well.

>>49615001
The Mastodontii? I thought we should have kept them around.

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>>49614916
Which proposed legions?

>>49615019
We chucked the Mastodontii?

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>>49613981
>My original calculations for his tabletop balance
So are there like Legiones Astartes rules and unique units now or something?

>>49615019

I've always wanted to hear your ideas for them actually. But as they were they were a good concept with the wrong person in charge,

>>49614958
>The group is not always right.

Except for the issue when you have someone who sticks to their guns no matter what, and claims this as the reason.

And then no decisions can be made, no bad ideas can be fixed, and everything grinds to a halt.

To be fair, that IS a very American thing, see: "Tyranny of the Minority" as evidenced by the House, Senate, and Congress, wherein small groups of assholes stonewall all discourse.

So you might be right in the theoretical sense, but in the practical sense? Fuck off.

>>49615032

Ages ago.

>>49614958
>The group is not always right.
Whether or not they're right, its a group project, which means cooperating with a group. I agree with you for the most part, but the opinion of the creator is rarely the most important factor in any given project.

>>49614844
Ill take that under advisement.

>>49615032
The Ogre Marines.

And the Mastodontii were cut very early from the project.

>>49615048
Honestly, I don't know enough about Siberian/Inuit culture to add much input, but I always liked them and what you did with them. IIRC, some parts conflicted with the Iron Hands, but I thought that was minor, and could have been easily fixed, but the overall ideas were unique, and had a good place in our little Universe.

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>>49615053
Huh, we did. There's still mention of them in the timeline.

Pictured, Kouralian civilian seaplanes.

>>49615033
All the tg heresy primarch have (carefully balanced and pseudo-playtested) rules on their 1d4chan pages, written by yours truly. I've recently started working on Legiones Astartes tactics for some of them in my spare time. All this is just an excuse to practice balancing things and provide a greater context for my grand quest to create an algorithm with which the relative value of any model can be calculated against all other models within the game system. What evilexecutive started with FAXIV, I shall finish... Unless I get bored.

>>49614958
>primary named tyranosaurus
Oh. My. God.

I just got it.

>>49615104

The timeline is horribly out of date.

>>49615048
If you really want to be helpful, oh wise one, address the specific points I made rather than just defending your right to argue with it.

>>49615108
Please avoid Legion rules on the XX. Mostly because when I wrote their Task and Org, I did so without knowledge of the FW rules, and simply made something that works based on experience and taste, figuring "He's a Primarch. He does whatever the fuck he wants."

>>49615157
I literally greentexted the point I was arguing against.

Good job, oh illiterate anon. Try again.

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>>49615108
I bet the Imperium Asunder primarch statlines would drive you crazy. We didn't playtest shit.

>>49615131
Took me a while to get it too.

>>49615157
Just let it go. The proposed changes actually make almost no difference in the legion, its just window dressing to make them more comfortable.

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>>49615102
>The Ogre Marines.
I'm over them now.

>>49615131
What? No fucking way. You're bullshitting me.

Important question: What would your primarch do if the bird doesn't sing?

>>49615157
>>49615180
Could you thirsty bitches not?

>>49615196
>What would your primarch do if the bird doesn't sing?
I do not know this meme.

>>49615196

It's Ogre when aye say it's Ogre!

>>49615196
Hey, he's the one arguing that Josman should stonewall the thread because anon-kun thinks Josman should shit the Stars and Stripes all over everything.

I got nothing better to do than fight concern trolls like that.

>>49615180
You see that little green word at the top left of your posts? It says anonymous. That means I can't fucking tell which posts are yours.

>>49615191
>Just let it go. The proposed changes actually make almost no difference in the legion, its just window dressing to make them more comfortable.
Shh!!! Don't point that out of they'll notice and complain more!

>>49615211
Golgothos has a bird that he wants to sing. It does not.

In a simple "if the bird doesn't sing, verb it" format, what does Golgothos do?

>>49615251
verb it for The Emperor?

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>>49615251
Crush it with his metal skull in a fit of rage, brood over the inevitability of death, and then make a cybernetic bird that sings when he commands it to.

>>49615187
Wow, he is dramatically overpriced.

>>49615196
Tiran Osorous would wait.

And speaking of tyranosaurus the primarch, could y'all explain to me again how important it is to take name a seriously?

>>49615235
It's pretty obvious who you're talking to when you link to a post. Unless you're just clicking posts to reply to at random.

Do you just not know how to use 4chan?

>>49615271
You remember that recording I made for you?

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>>49615271
Close enough.

>>49615230
>thinks Josman should shit the Stars and Stripes all over everything
Hardly. My point was more that cultural appropriation and planet of hats is a hallmark of 40k. Criticising someone for engaging in that is kind of oblivious to the setting. Many of the best 40k stories are about the space wolves and black Templars and blood angels, nevermind the fact that the have a one note aesthetic. The authors themes and skill matter, not the basic window dressing aesthetics.

>>49615299
No, I was mostly just being petty with you.

>>49615287
>Importance of serious names
Depends on the name. If it's incredibly campy and fun, then go for it. You are kind of coming into this after we've lost a lot of our camp and fun of the olden times. Tiran and Onyx are no longer in the chat. Aubrey is still here, and the three of them went just about full Rogue Trader. Myself and a couple others liked having a bit of tongue-in-cheek jokes spread about the continuum, but most of the people still here are rather serious about their creations.

>>49615332
Yeah. Do you remember this awesome tidbit:

http://pastebin.com/r3fPr0XC

>>49615140
Yeah, there doesn't seem to have been a lot of movement on the 1d4chan site regarding the HH since the /tg/ threads dropped off a while back.

>>49615108
>an inspired, if rigid and unyielding creator
>crazy good with numbers and mathematical systems
>doesn't play well with others

Do you play Iron Warriors by chance?

>>49615447
Considering he willingly walked into this shit-show, he's more likely to play Imperial Fists.

>>49615447
Imperial Fists, Cult Mechanicus + Skitarii, and Ultramarines, actually. Though the perterabo parallels thus far weren't lost on me.

>>49615498
>>49615501
That was beautiful.

>>49615498
>>49615501
Ha! Called it!

>>49604781
Is this what most Hektor Heresy threads are like?

>>49609298
>>49609308
>>49609320
>>49609430
>>49612429
>>49612445
>>49612466
God I hope you get your shit figured out, because this stuff is awesome. Might want tome tone back the MURICA a bit tho.

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>>49615603
Obviously i'm biased but the IA threads are a lot more on-topic and amicable, though the craziness here is fun if you ask me.

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Alright.
I'm sick.
I'm tired.
It's late.
I'll be back later. In the meantime, some snek.

>>49615603
Sometimes we get things done. Usually there's a shitposter or two, and usually we've been good about identifying their issues and then confronting their problems or ignoring them. But most of the project greybeards have only popped on once or twice since we started this back up Friday.

>>49615633
Might have to check you guys out. Balance and stat all your primarchs. Compulsively create rules that probably don't need to exist. That kind of thing.

>>49615623
That's what everybody keeps telling me.

>>49615541
>>49615539
>>49615501
>>49615498
>>49615447
Funny how space marine legions attract like minded players. You'd think that would apply to all armies, but ive yet to meet a dark eldar player who likes to torture and rape innocent victims.

>>49615679
Ditto for me, I'm out.

>>49615603
Very rarely. The last thread was actually quite nice.

>>49615764
One last note for you Josman. You saw the flaws and even if you didn't really understand, agreed to see what the rest of the group was saying. And now you might write something stronger for it. I'm looking forward to your continued work here.

>Werewolves in space: okay
>Teutonic knights in space: okay
>Vampires in space: okay
>Elves and Drow in space: okay
>Emos in space: okay
>Serial killers in space: okay
>Communists in space: okay
>Locusts in space: okay
>Orcs and Ogres in space: okay
>Catholic nuns in space: okay
>Ancient Greeks in space: okay
>Americans in space: TOO FUCKING UNREALISTIC, AMERICANS NEVER GO TO SPACE!!!

Ah, /tg/, never change, you beautiful lunatics.

>>49616515
It's more it'd come off as very blatant and thus not be fun unlike your other examples.

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>America Marines
perfectly cromulant imo

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Oh hey we're back. Ahem.

WE ARE THE SPACE VAMPIRES.
WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT YOU.

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>>49618102
>Space Vampires.

As lord of the space skellingtons I want to know more.

>>49618155
WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT YOU FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE.


Though from where we're sitting it looks like the terrible secret of space already got to you.

>>49618214

I look forward to writing out the First Vetrovnak Incursion when that comes around, once the Heresy is finished.

bump

So what's the difference between this and this >>49619167 ?

>>49619200
We've been around longer, have more material, and developed our storyline to be more parallel to the plot.

>>49619246
more parallel to the original plot. sorry

>>49619246
>>49619269
Well this seems to have devolved into namefagging and masturbatory memetic humor, but what more has to be done? Is there room for fresh blood and new ideas?

>>49619650
As for the namefagging, that was from when we had 20+ people, and it just made it easier to keep track of who was doing what.

As for memetic humor, well, it's 4chan.

What has to be done? We have plenty of room to develop new Imperial Army Regiments, Xenos, political players, Mechanicus Forges, Titan Legions, Knight Houses, etc. And there's always room for fresh blood and new ideas.

If you're unfamiliar, I suggest looking up what has been done so far here:
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_/tg/_Heresy

>>49619811
Helpful bump

>>49619650
>namefagging and masturbatory memetic humor,
Yeah, there's lots of that.

>Is there room for fresh blood and new ideas?
Yes and no. Technically not for space marine legions, which is what people actually care about. We have a couple garbage legions that you might be able to convince their writefags to trash them to make space. A lot of the authors are handling 3 or 4 legions, so I doubt you'd have much difficulty taking over for one of them if you proved yourself worthy.

If you do decide to pitch a legion, don't do the planet of hats thing all the canon legions do. These guys don't like that.

This entire thing is cringe and I hope that all of you who actively participate in it get cancer.

>>49621049
How's the ruptured anus going Anon? cause this level of butt hurt could have been produced by nought else

>>49621049
This is /tg/ you moron, literally everything we do is cringe to most people.

>Grown men playing cards/RPGs/models/games/toys? What are you, children?

>>49616998
You're kind of missing the point here. Literally everything in 40k is blatant. No one is looking at the space wolves and carefully analyzing them to come to the eventual comclusion that, "Hmm... They just MIGHT have some scandanavian inspirations." No one is buying an army of Adeptus Sororitas, assembling them, looking over his army and saying, "You know, I think these ladies might be based on catholic nuns!"

very blatant = warhammer 40k

It being blatant was never the issue, it was more that people were worried about me backing myself into a corner by sticking too closely to American history and culture.

>>49621102
>>49621130
Get cancer faggots

>>49621155
(you)

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>>49621049
>>49621102
>>49621130
>>49621155
>>49621161

>>49621200
But we've just GOT to respond. He's asking us to change our star-sign

>>49621226
Just ignore the trolls and they'll eventually get bored and leave.

>>49621279
Yes, but do we want them to leave? During the day when we're all busy, a committed troll could keep bumping the thread for us, and later, when we're working again, THEN we ignore him.

>>49621369
touche.

In that case:
>>49621049
>>49621155
I implore thee, oh wise one, exactly how is this cringe?
If you make such a bold statement, one should be able to back it up.

>>49621020
>>49619811
Well since everyone else is Namefagging might as well, since I love Homebrewing

Now here's an idea, I don't onow how well this work, since I'm not done reading the Wiki, but what if we can fit Hua Yuan or altHua Yuan in.

For the uninitiated https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan#Hive_Society

Now I know whay you're thinking

>But AA, you fag, you just want to squeeze in your special snowflake Donut Steel into our precious, hard worked upon universe!

Which is true. I'm proud of these guys, ajd I think they're a good resume builder. But consider their origins, a DAoT colony and mining expedition lost to the Far Eastern Fringe, then battered with Warp storms, Genestealers, Tau, and anything else out there.

Now since this is alt, what if the moon had never been reclaimed in 41m? What if they fell to Chaos or Genestealers much earlier and their is a stealer kingdom just waiting for the Tyranids arrival?

Of course this will have greater implications in 40k, but I'm assuming we'll get there in time

Wtf people.

Nm, anyway, work calls, Won't be on often from Monday to Wednesday.

>>49621689
Man, we ain't even got 30k figured out yet, much less 40k.

>>49621689
First, this:>>49621985

Secondly, if you want to create something similar to, but not Hua Yuan, that's fairly okay. But we've got a general rule against using /tg/ homebrew material basically to avoid more drama or complications. I'll look it over, make sure others see it and the idea, and we'll go from there.

>Luna isn't reconquered by M.41
This I'm going to have to say is a no go at this station. At the base level it conflicts with a lot of pre-established canon located at https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Pallas_Eugenesis
Further than that, recapturing Luna from Chaos would be a top priority. From a strategery sense, you've got numerous genetic labs, fortifications, various important department facilities, the Sisters of Silence HQ (though what have they done since the Heresy), etc. To boot, that's not just giving Chaos a way into Sol, that's renting out the upstairs apartment to them. If they couldn't dislodge Chaos from Luna, it would be Extermanatus'd, because it's better to lose Luna permanently than let it remain under enemy control.

>>49622171
Oh shit, I meant Moon as in Hua Yuan, not Luna.

But the general idea was a Genestealer/Chaos Empire. But the restrictions on homebrew is good to know

>>49622284
To clarify, homebrew is 100% okay, as long as its your own homebrew. Just don't go converting someone else's work into our setting.

>>49622343
Problem arises with a few other things here. If it's your own homebrew, that's fine. But when it's got it's own page on the internets, we get into the issue of proving that this is yours. Now, yes, there are ways to verify what you've got. But then it becomes an issue of figuring out how to prove that statement, then it turns into other fans from /tg/ accusing the group as a whole of creative theft. Plus, most creations evolve and change within the heresy. Directly linking to another homebrew could/would force changes there, which could/would cause problems with fans of the original idea.

tl;dr it's just easier this way

>>49622343
I OP'd every thread after the first and wrote a large majorty of the stuff on the page. Pretty much all anonymous edits on the pages within the past year have been me.

I'm not trying to toot my own horn, I'm just saying I have a tight understanding of Hua Yuan

But I can see what you guys mean, I just wanted to test the waters, through out new ideas. I'm going to finish reading the wiki before really posting again

>>49622436
Ah, but you didn't read the terms and conditions! I did, because I'm compulsive like that. You post anything on 4chan or 1d4chan, you're agreeing that information is now in the public domain. The second you hit "post" that shit is no longer yours. Not saying that no ethical issues arise, but from a legal standpoint we're insulated.

Bump

Bump mk2

So there are currently 5 namefags: Golgothos, The Sneaky Git, Sky Marshal Zorg, Alexandri, and Snek Lord spread out over 17 Legions (the Crimson Teeth uncounted)? And now a new Legion is going to be written up to take the Teeth's place? On top of everything else?

How do you guys intend to get anything done? Everything seems to get built up to about a quarter-of-the-way done before getting dropped for the next project someone's cooked up.

>>49621689
Don't steal other people's homebrew to insert into your own homebrew is a pretty basic rule. If you do something their original owners don't like they'll get pretty mad.

t'aint polite, ya know? Jus' causes the dramas.

>>49624640
That's just how the internet works, you know? Things move forward in fits and starts, inspired by sleepless insomnia, excessive daydreaming, and the occasional chemical stimulant.

Throw in the occasional boredom-induced dramafight and the wandering trolls that blow in with the eastern winds, and there you have it.

Hardly an uncommon concoction. "Done" is such a hard to define term. You work till you don't, and then you come back if you can, and it's not worth worrying about. Everyone has real life issues that will take precedence over any virtual Internet schedule for working on an unpaid fan project.

Tis all fine, fellow anon. Worry not.

>>49624640
Plus a few that haven't made any big presence on the boards since this all started Friday. Some of the Legions are in a better state than others, and we're working on fixing that at the moment while putting together a plan for the Great Crusade and hammer out how the Heresy happens once and for all.

So far our biggest problem has been turning around and realizing we could do something better or "What if X went Y way instead?" On one hand, it has led to better characterization. On the other, it has caused us to write and rewrite all sorts of stuff. Not to mention "Hey, now that X,Y, and Z are changed, we need to fix things on these horribly outdated pages."
It's herding cats. There are times where you gotta put your head down and muscle through things, and there are times when you need to just let things follow the course they're taking.

>>49625987
So I've read some stuff but its terribly a lot.

Is there any specific area that can be focused on so I don't have to read every single gosh darned thing and just re adjust whenever corrected?

>>49615406
Both of them, so ready to send the other to their death.
Beautiful in a sense.

>>49626405
I'd suggest starting at the /tg/ heresy Great Crusade page, and from there clicking any primarch or legion that interests you.

>>49626901
Which ones have been abandoned or generally untouched?

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>>49627063
Black Augurs and Crimson Teeth have been abandoned and people are lobbying complaints about where they are. Takeover or full revision may be necessary.

Steel Marshals could also use a person to herald their mantle, but be advised creative control on that one will be tight.

The Stone Men could use some editing, but are generally okay.

>>49615698
>stat and rule primarchs and legions
Please do. Be ready for the results to be shat on though

>>49627116
>The Stone Men could use some editing, but are generally okay.

What exactly do they do? They've always felt like the odd Legion out, given they were basically a Rogue Trader Throwback at first. They don't seem to really have a presence or a unique gimmick that makes them interesting.

>>49627190
They have a genetic disorder that makes them large, but takes twice as long to make marines. They use moldable rock as armor for their elite units that's warp resistant. They're fortification specialists. A lot of drafts of the Heresy(Though not one is concrete at the moment) place them on Terra being the ones to shore up the defenses, and fought down to below Chapter strength with their Primarch dying in combat with Hektor.

>>49627142
People can shit on me all they want, I do the math for every single change I make from the primarch baseline. Even if they don't like it, I know my work is good.

>>49627116
>Steel Marshals could also use a person to herald their mantle, but be advised creative control on that one will be tight.
What needs to be done? And perhaps more importantly, who is controlling them and wht exactly aren't they doing the writefagging if they care so much?

>>49627116

>They have a genetic disorder that makes them large, but takes twice as long to make marines.

So they're Thunder Warriors?

>They're fortification specialists.

I thought the Steel Marshals were the Fortification Specialists?

>>49627236
The stone men always stuck me as Rogue Trader era Imperial Fists turned up to 11.

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>>49627340

Yeah, but without any of the interesting stuff that the Imperial Fists have.

>>49627329
>I thought the Steel Marshals were the Fortification Specialists?

The Steel Marshals are our resident Iron Warriors, specializing in bunker busting.

>>49627445

Except without the attrition warfare, the decimation, the bitterness, the hate for everyone else around them and the need to blame their shortcomings on everything except themselves.

Also their Primarch isn't an Autistic Sociopath.

>>49627245
I meant more. Over there they have varying degrees of acceptance to hardline results and balancing vs concepts. So not everyone will potentially appreciate the work. Being serious though, some of us very much will.

>>49627588
Might just hit up your primarchs with rules and drop this Liberators concept. Stick to what I'm good at, math, numbers, and statistics. It's easier to prove what is and is not right that way.

Not sure yet.

>>49627661

Take a look at all the cut Primarchs and Legions and see what you think. There's even provisional rules for one of them that I did, which I could guarantee you could improve on.

>>49627661
Sweet. Thanks.
A few of them have rules done up which might be the best place to start for their special rules and character concepts.

>>49627681
>>49627694
Do you guys primarily work out of 1d4chan, or just stick to your threads?

>>49627908
Threads

>>49627908

A mix of those two and a Skype Chat where a lot of the serious stuff goes down.

>>49627933
God damn it, why you people always gotta be skyping this stuff. Skyping means I have to speak to another human being in a non professional setting.

>>49628040

Speak? I've never spoken with any of them. It's all text chat.

>>49628049
How to get in on that?

>>49628103

Someone on 1d4chan will drop you a line if you have an account on there.

>>49627933
What, if youre talking about IA there is no skype.

>>49628239

No, but HH has a group Skype chat that is used whenever there isn't a thread on 4chan. That way the project is always moving forwards.

>>49628239
>>49628267
Okay, if you're going to reply to someone, make sure you look to see what they're actually asking about.

>>49628287
The comment in question was directed at me. And that's what we were talking about.

>>49628040
>>49628049
We've only done voice chat a couple of times. One of them was at one of our anons insistence (he was the guy who wrote Camaxtli, so there's no worries there). The other times were basically myself, Aubrey, and Alexandri bsing in a way that wouldn't clog the chat while IMPORTANT THINGS were happening. IE, neither required nor important to the group.

Alright, one last bump from me, and this one will have details. Did a little bit of updating on the Scale Bearers Task and Organization, but wasn't able to do as much as I'd like. Hopefully it'll be done by the end of the week, and here's what I've got so far.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scale_Bearers#Task_and_Organization

Well, shit, I was just hoping to ask Josman to do up stats for Brennus...there is a lot to take in in this thread.

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I'd like to take a moment to talk about names. Hey, I'm Alexandri here. I think in the threads we shouldn't be using names. It makes us look wankery, and it's largely unnecessary. Now, if you're speaking for a specific thing you can throw up a name. But generally you can post something, people to read it, and be fine. One can assume you are the main writer. If they're unsure, they can check the history to see if you're the same IP as all the other updates on the page. For example,

I just got finished revising this page, and added a bunch to the bottom, can you give it a look over?

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Rosskan_Strelky

Hey Golgothos, if you're around read this, scroll to the bottom especially.

>>49630135
>>49630135
Always been a fan of the Strelky. I love those tattoos, "Made in Rosskar" particularly amused me. Though, I'd say "On" might be better. I notice on Konstantyn's page there's still a reference to the Mastodontii, you might wanna make that the next target for edits.

c-can we get some more Orks?

I want Orks to be good again. :<

>>49630325

The two Legions were very, very closely tied in older material, it makes sense a few dregs would remain.

>>49630338
'ere ya go mate.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Orks_(Hektor_Heresy)

>>49630338
>>49630135
Personally I think trips make it easier to follow conversations in the threads. They're not always necessary though.

The Strelky are cool, man. I like the notion of hidden ornamentation their leader may not know about. If they keep something like that secret, I wonder what other secrets they might have...

In other news I'm going to start thinking about the Entombed with a critical mind. I want to expand on their relation to the Cult Mechanicus and the auxiliary forces they wield, specifically Skitarii and Legio Mortis.

>>49630403

>Legio Mortis

No-one wields the Legio Mortis but the Fabricator General. They are his watchmen and his sanction. None but he can decide where they fight and who they fight for. Sake for the Skitarii, they are the personal army of each Forgeworld and only the master of that Forgeworld can choose where they go and who they fight.

>>49630482
I'm just saying they fight *alongside* each other, relax sempai.

>>49630403
I think I will switch between named and otherwise. Glad to see you back Golgo.

And, while I am at it, a welcome back to DEG, Zorg, and Drawfag. And welcome to Josman too. I've seen some of your Primarch stats, they're good.

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>>49630522
>Implying drawfag didn't book it in the drama

>>49630539
I sure hope he didn't, I was hoping to ask him to add a mustache to my Brennus portrait.

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>>49630515

For that to happen, Golgothos would really need to please the Fabricator General.

I've done a fair bit on the Legio Mortis in the Hektor Heresy. They absolutely HATE the living shit out of Hektor, because during Burija's Folly the Legion lost one of the first three Imperator Titans built for the Legion, a massive stain of dishonour for the Legion as a whole. So they point blank refused to ever operate under his command. This along with the Fabricator General staying loyal meant they remained faithful to the Emperor.

>>49630554

He got through the Nathanog Drama unscathed. Next to that, this was nothing.

>>49630578
Golgothos was definitely an Emperor-worshiper. Tygian was pretty into Emps as Omnissiah, so I think they would get along theologically. That, in Terra's past, has been more than enough to secure promises of war materiel.

>>49630616
Stop using that name so much. He's like Pazuzu, or Hastur.

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>>49630658
HASTURHASTURHASTUR

>>49629968
Brennus already has stats you silly duck. Check his 1d4chan page.

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>>49630135
HOLY SHIT THAT ORGANIZATIONAL BREAKDOWN

DO YOU KNOW WHAT A SQUAD IS

A PLATOON

WHAT SORT OF RED ARMY DID YOU BASE THIS SHIT ON

WAS IMPERIAL RUSSIA JUST THAT FUCKED UP

>>49630872
Actually the squad part is within the realm of feasibility but other than that HOLY SHIT.

>>49630793
>if the bird doesn't sing, shoot it with my stupidly complicated gun that has way too many fucking settings and takes forever to calculate and balance, but will never BE truly balanced because of his INSANELY VARIABLE value as a potential infatry/jump infantry/FMC...

I like your primarch design, BTW.

>>49627908
>>49627694
I've been thinking about it, and I think this is the best way to do it: I'm still going to work on my liberators thing, so I can't just drop it and give you people twenty hours to write up and test out rules for all of your primarchs like I did for the /tg/ heresy guys. Instead, if you Imperium Asunder writefags want me to write up something specific, just ask, and I'll put it on the list and get to it when I have time.

>>49630869
>Brennus already has stats

I am loving every line of this. That is EXACTLY what I wanted from a Brennus statline. I don't even play the tabletop game, and I love it.

>>49630872
>>49630882
On average the squads are undermanned or being sent in as bulk units. The units are designed for urban warfare, so sections can take on buildings, platoons can take on hab-blocks, so on. In open warfare or siege warfare, the unwieldy nature of their organization does show. They also come with redundant officers who can assist managing things.

>>49630872
Imperial Russia was FUBAR. I almost have a bachelor's in Eastern European history, focusing on Russia and the USSR, so trust me.

>>49630950
Oh, excellent! The writer here. Can you please tell me how it measures up?

>>49630908
Oh, two things. First, excalibur already exists in Hektor Heresy, so I'll have to change that weapon option. I'll make it Durandal or something.

Also, why is Fragarach a hammer? That annoys me OCD to no end.

>>49630872
On the squad, I think the writer is taking inspiration from Soviet Assault Squads, which were a thing formed in Stalingrad. It was twenty men, five with submachine guns, designed to attack and take buildings from the Germans. Usually supported by a tank and had Sappers in the squad.

>>49630135
>It makes us look wankery
Why do we care?

>>49630971
I am not that guy. Sorry bro. I am just a college dropout member. You're looking for Alexandri if you want the writer.

>>49630980
Fragarach is a hammer in this OU because Brennus is supposed to be something of a judge, and the Skype conversations we've had led me to a hammer. I really like having a hammer in the arsenal, but if you have other ideas please do suggest.

As far as Excander goes, how about making it an axe? I have it in my headcanon that brennus has an axe named Krakentooth. I can also easily supply other ideas.

>>49631008
Perhaps we want new people I mean that's just a thought

>>49631014
The mythological Fragarach was a sword. It's your idea, and your character, it just seems weird to me. It's like giving your character Excalibur but having it be a hammer, or giving them the Lance of Longinus but having it be a knife. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, it's just really strange.

>getting rid of excalibur
I'll get it done. Krakentooth it is.

>>49631049
A completely valid reason.

>>49631049
We're on 4chan. People will come regardless of wankery.

>>49631014
>>49630971
Apparently I AM that guy. Well, Alexandri reminds me a lot of Russia's Alexander II. I mean, Alexander didn't really do a whole lot of invading, but he DID improve Russia's standard of living. Alexandri has no real choice but to bow to Terra and The Emperor. He still generally improves the standard of living on Rosskar, and other worlds. But there's some Stalin in there too, sort of an unbending nature. Appropriate for the Man of Steel, and it fits for the Man of Ceramite. Can we call Alexandri that?

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>>49630920
In Urban warfare a smaller breakdown would be more advantageous. Squads of 4 to 6 to clear single rooms, platoon of 10 squads to clear buildings floor by floor, companies of a dozen or so platoons for a hab block with specialists and mechanized elements embedded to complement the infantry, and depending on how many blocks you want to handle at once, so many companies in a regiment.

>>49630983
That would make sense.

>>49631156
One man with a shield, one man with a ram, one man with EXPLOSIONS, every man gets a gun.

>>49631156
>>49631205
Also, your current rank system has insufficient NCOs.

>>49631131
The idea's a bit strange, I'll grant you that. But Fragarach is "The Answerer", it makes sense as a sort of judge's gavel. Especially when upjumped into a Thunder Hammer.

>Krakentooth
I though of Krakentooth more of a weapon forged on Alessia, which Brennus enhanced with Imperial tech on his ascension. If the Holy ability simulates being well suited to killing warp creatures, that is a perfect fit. Especially if it is a two-handed axe.

>>49631232
AND you have specialist above corporal.

AND you have Brigadier twice.

Like Jesus Christ, is this Russia's fault?

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>>49631156
>>49631205
>>49631232
Keep in mind all Commissioned Officers are mainly those who've risen up from the ranks, and can sub in for other forces.

However I'm open to critique. The Strelky are a nightmarish amalgation of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army(And their style is inspired by East Germany).

So really, any comments are welcome.

>>49631360
>two-handed
Are you saying that in the general sense or the rules sense?

>>49631429
Either and/or both. If it is a weapon powerful enough that in lore he would forego a shield, he'd forego it on the table.

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>>49631424
Alright. Firstly you must know: Officers can't do shit by themselves. They need at least one NCO. A company commander will have their senior NCO, and everything from battalion to Grand Army of the Republic there will be a sergeant major. This NCO serves as the foil, mouth, and hand of the CO, more able to communicate with the enlisted than officers.

Pictured, an officer trying to manage troops without an adu- I mean, NCO.

A specialist is a soldier who has been in service long enough to be trusted with more than basic tasks such as paperwork and the squad's high explosives. A corporal is a junior NCO who can be trusted with the Emperor's currency.

>>49631566
All of the Officers are former NCOs though

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>>49631566
Also, pre-WWII Red Army ranks sound badass and Orwellian.

>Kombrig
>Komdiv
>Komkor

>>49631597
Which means they're no longer NCOs, because now they're officers. So now, they'll need an NCO.

Pictured, an officer without an NCO.

The NCO is the caring, stern, abusive, alcoholic mother to the officer's aloof, distant, abusive, alcoholic father.

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>>49631597
>>49631674
Think back to highschool. Imagine how hard a time a teacher had controlling thirty students. Now add in about four to eight times that number, the necessity of accountability, legal responsibility, several tons of equipment and ordnance, a budget, and paperwork.


Pictured, an officer without an NCO.

>>49631564
Alright, I'll make the edit once I finish with my current project.

Signing off for the night, people.

>>49631156
Is this meant to be based of real life? Cause it's wrong if so.

Its.
2-4 pers per room.
1 section/squad per floor (assuming its normal size building)
1+ platoon for a multi story building
1 company for large buildings / a handful of buildings.

>>49631424
>commissioned officers having worked...
Bwhahaha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15gihWu1SM

>>49631566
>>49631744
>>49631783
Alright, taking this all with a grain of salt.

Should I go overboard with NCOs then?

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>>49627116
OG Bloodseer here, to be honest I completly fell out of the project, but yeah some of the Black Augurs things could change.

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>>49631763
A little from column A, a little from column B. Platoons won't have 10+ squads usually.

>>49631783
Armemes aside, COs can't do it all.

>>49631805
Actually, you don't. Considering the lower enlisted from private to sergeant don't have officer equivalents there's a stagger between the officer ranks and enlisted ranks associated with their organization level. Everything from battalion up just need a sergeant major (or more).

Pictured, the chain of command.

>>49631815
Oh Bloodseer, it could be great to see you helm them!

>>49631885
Yeah, I can give it a look and shoot ideas around. It would be a slow pace though.

>>49631915
That's no big deal here. We're going for the glacial, eventually get it done pace here.

So long as you posit some good ideas in an outline, then start filling out the page based on that outline, you're golden.

>>49631864
Alright, what would you suggest for the unwieldy and nightmarish landscape of the Professional Prison Soldiery of the Strelky?

>>49631795
Lloyd is great, but he is NOT a credible source about history. ALWAYS look into his sources for yourself.

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>>49631815
I'm kicking as well.

>>49631815
Oh, hey, cool. Check this out https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_Voidwatcher#A_fan.27s_Attempt_at_Rules and tell me how you think it stands, lore wise. I notice the glaive thing after I finished, but that'll be easy to edit.

>>49630872

You've never played Flames of War have you?

>>49631815

Make them less Skaven and more credible and I will kiss you. No Homo.

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>>49632032
Sergeant majors for everybody! And first sergeants for company commanders, because companies aren't important enough.

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>>49632064
Yo!

>>49632070
Looks like he has a Trident now or something. The Force Glaive would be more like the Chain Glave or Scythe of the Death Guard. But stuff looks good so far.

>>49631424

I remember when that picture was a Jäakäri Ajattaro Sniper.

>>49632110
Well with Void Watcher around we'd need to work on it. Personally I was never big on the Apprentices and Acolytes as they are presently I think that needs some rework.

What do we have so far that people like and dont like about them and we can take that into consideration.