So /tg/, how do you like your demons and demon summoning to be like?Also, general demon image dump thread.
Objectively the worst demons are the red satyrs with pitchforks.
Lots of tentacles.
>>49404056When are tentacles going to be played out?
Something like this but with more fire and painhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k_NmB3_pMg
>>49404579Probably not for a while. Showing them with horns and hooves has gone on for millennia, the whole tentacly-corruption thing is remarkably new in comparison.
What kind of nightmares would a demon have?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSCKzZAGuRoI like going traditional.
>>49404734It's mostly made popular because of the Cthulhu myhots, though.
>>49405012It's lazy desu. People just use a mass of tentacles as a cop-out for being incomprehensible.
>>49404922they would probably just call it a dream. but a demons worst fear is to seize to exist so probably something death related
Anyone have medieval art of demons as little furry chimera imps? I always loved those.
>>49405107Most popculture demons are portrayed as some kind of chimera anyway. The important part is that they look good.
>>49403764Lesser deities wishing to become more powerful or, failing that, to have fun with mortals.Their definition of "fun" include mainly making mortals suffer for the demon's sadistic pleasure.
Demon summoning shouldn't just be saying the right incantations from your spellbook and getting a free demon servant. Instead it should be a combination of saying the right magic words and negotiating with, cajoling and intimidating the demon that comes through.
I like my demons being alien things defying natural order and concept of morality itself.I like their summoning spiced with countless sacrifices, right-in-your-face symbolism and the world bathed in nihilism as a consequence.
>>49405286Demon summoning should be just that. Actually CONTROLLING it or getting anything useful out of it should be the hard part.
>>49405286Summoning an uncontrolled demon for a few minutes is easy.Summoning the same demon in containment for an extended period of time is simply a matter of research and preparation, maybe a sacrifice or two.It is getting a demon to do your bidding that's the hard part. Contracts are reliable and take little arcane talent, but demons don't undersell themselves. Trapping them in an object isn't all that hard, but almost invariably leads to the demon coming back for vengeance when it finally breaks out.Actually binding it to your will reliably? Unless you've got a mcguffin, a village full of sacrifices, or a cabal of wizards at your disposal, good fucking luck.
>>49403764>How do you like your demons?Unique and the same as Devils/Fiends, the true distinctions only known to higher ranking diabolists. There are perhaps multiple imps, but only one succubi for a region or city-state. They control and enthrall people to do their bidding, and they bring curses and calamity by merely existing in the material world.The forces of the Underworld are finite but obscenely powerful, which is why people call them up.I like the classic Type I to Type IV outsider model because it feels more in-world. "We don't know much but we know it is bigger and tougher than a previously observed type, has similar powers, but not the same weaknesses." It feels more like people trying to figure things out in a terrible situation, while also putting out the importance of knowing names/classifications because all you're working with are Types and descriptions. >Demon Summoning?A dark room, with a circle in it, something to burn in the center, and maybe a book. The demon emerges from the smoke and the room seems to grow darker still. The demon speaks to those in the room but does not show itself until a compact is signed, and then only the pure of heart and the fully wicked can see the beast.But...If one is sinful or weak enough, and the veil is already tattered; someone might hear the whispers of a fiend. Or should the victim move into a place where a summoning was attempted once but not fully closed, then the fiend will try to break the mortal into hosting it.
>>49405526>I like the classic Type I to Type IV outsider model because it feels more in-worldwhat?
>>49405730In the original D&D, demons were sorted by type unless they were very specific: Type I was a Vrock, Type II was a Hezrou, Type III was Glabrezu, Type IV was Nalfeshnee, then you had a Succubus, Type V for Marilith and Type VI for Balor. Plus Demogorgon and Orcus who were just demon lords.And that makes sense, to me, from an in-world perspective. You as a player know Demogorgon and Orcus are essentially Satan, and you don't call him out because that's bad. A succubus is a known quantity due to what it is they do. But everything else is very....different. You've got vulture-men, four-clawed dog people, giant toads, pig-apes with wings, serpentine multi-armed ladies, and what is essentially the Balrog. Classifying them in types helps keep them all united to the idea that they serve the underworld especially given the lack of rhyme or reason to their form. It feels like something a church exorcist would have written down.
In my setting daemon summoning requires dick sacrifice, the cultist has to chop off his dick and get fucked in the hole by the demon in exchange for his service.
>>49405980Sounds like magical realm bullshit.
>>49403909>implying those aren't refreshing at this point
>>49403764>summoning mechanicslike a cooking recipe , mostly involving a dead human body as a base component that needs certain requirements such as "died in a fire" , a bunch of alchemist stuff and a seal that may take a lot of forms (often a mask or a sculpture embeded inside).then , prepare a shrine in order to channel enough energy to summon this thing.>summoning narrativelylots of foul smells , very annoying and unnatural sounds. instead of smoke and fire obscuring everything, i like to describe it like a reversing and simultanous progressing of a rotting process until the spirit has aligned with the materials and starts to manifest normaly.>the demons itselfwhile grunt-tier and chaotic demons basicly are all about chimeras, looking like twisted and weirdly shaped humans or just being covered in fire, thorns and everything that looks uncomfortable to touch, the actually clever and powerful ones take more elegant forms and appear like angels or majestetic animals such as dragons and pheonixes.i like both types that are either on the "set fire, eat babies" or "make contracts, eat babies, become a saint" side.
>>49406843Naw, they are pretty shit. I'm glad to see them fade away.
well, first you have to consider if you want to die. All of the (known) texts on summoning rituals have either been damaged by time (important parts missing) or their contents changed by a monotheistic religion of the past, who attempted to stamp out magic. roughly 60-80% of the time, the book is charred, missing pages, large bloodstains, et cetera. the rest of the time, the book is in good repair, but the spells misfire or do nothing. After that it's a toss-up between a successful summon of your intended target, or a successful summon of something/ someone else. >Your summon was off its mark. a vital component was missing, you forgot a gesture, whatever. Your summoning circle has not summoned Ulquait the demon merchant with a a thousand bargains (who has a fondness for games of chance and will pay handsomely for chess sets, dice, playing cards, et cetera) instead your circle has targeted a Hellwasp hive.
In my works there's effectively two types of demons.Type A is pretty easy to summon, as the church just uses "Demon" as a blanket term for anything supernatural they don't understand and view as dangerous. Most Type A demons are just tricksters wanting a laugh and maybe a quick buck, so if given the right incentive they'll agree to most things the summoner wants. Accidentally summoning Type A demons happen pretty often, but less than a lot of people would think.Type B demons, sometimes called Devils, are actual malevolent entities. Summoning them is pretty difficult, with a couple exceptions, and usually summoning them is the magical equivalent of a tactical nuke. You send in someone who doesn't mind dying, evacuate anything you don't want wrecked, and then let the thing loose. Then, if your lucky, whatever's binding it to the material plane will run out of juice before it can go anywhere. Never hurts to have a couple wizards and a demonologist on standby just in case it figures out how to extend it's time limit though.The only major exception to summoning Devils, both in difficulty and keeping them bound to the material plane, is Lesser Devils. These are effectively my work's Tieflings, who are normal people that either got corrupted by arcane bullshit, went full edgelord by "giving into the hate", or got possessed by something nasty. They have the powers of Devils, but are still mostly human. Or elf, dwarf, whatever the fuck they used to be. These guys are scary, but anyone with half decent magic sense can tell when one's in town so at worst they're usually bonus bosses for my players rather than a serious antagonist.
>>49403764>DemonsBasically a cross between Horror-movie ghosts, Shadowmen, and Nazgul. Being more spirit than flesh is a bonus.>SummoningMany ways, most including calling out a name, dropping some blood, and using circles. This doesn't actually work, but if a Demon hears its name and thinks you're interesting enough to make a deal with, he might show up.>inb4 Christopher Marlowe's "Faust"
>>49404769What the fuck am I listening too? Pretty good.
>>49403764I always did demon summonings as more sacrifice based.Like unless it was some sort of greater demon, it couldn't take form in the material plane and needed a host body.So your aspiring warlocks and summoners would go kidnap people and cycle through them to try and pull the demon into the body.If the body wasn't a perfect match, bad things would happen. Always resulting in the host death.If successful, the host body would usually become some sort of malformed entity of flesh and gnarly shit.The summoning itself usually involved random reagents, blood, altars and spells that were at one point instructed to mortals for the sole purpose of manifesting their demons friends.
>>49403764I like various interpretations. Ars Goetian I am rather fond of in particular. But generally, I don't like the categorizing and typecasting the demons.Giving them a hierarchy is cool, though.For summoning, nothing that you can just snap fingers and force to work.Rituals. Binding, and coercing them to do your bidding. Demons worth of shit are rather intelligent too, and seek to fuck over the summoner through contract. In current setting I am working though, they are psychic parasites of though who go Freddy Kruger on you. Mostly because I had demon-like inhabitants in the afterlife already, so I was figuring something funny.
>>49403764I rather like demons to be a predatory spirit that is not part of any hierarchy or system.As for the summoning; I rather prefer the idea that a demon is not that hard to summon, but containing it and controlling it is the hard part. Although, summoning the more powerful ones would take a lot more knowledge, skill and effort.
>>49403764I dont think demons have genders.
>>49404922"Fuck, I had that dream where I went christmas shopping with the Pope again."
>>49406214guildwars was great
>>49404922God, in the form of Mr Rogers, forgiving them for turning from him, but still being disappointed that they weren't living up to his expectations of them.He still loves them just the way they are.
>>49403764>So /tg/, how do you like your demons and demon summoning to be like?I like my demons ACTUALLY EVIL, because after seeing so much waifu this and husbando that and monstergirl this and Drizzt that and the Twilightification of most of the bestiary, it's nice to for once have a creature that is evil, evil, end of story evil.Do not try to make friends with a demon. It is an immortal malevolence with centuries of experience in manipulating people, and it will use you to hurt everything you love.And if you're so stupid as to try to make a deal with it, and at some point invoke "but our contract says", it will laugh as it kills you slowly and painfully, mocking you for thinking it was ever going to abide by anything short of a divine geas, savoring the memory of how you cut your finger to sign in blood to no effect. And then, despite the fact that it tore up and violated the contract where you sold your soul, you go to hell *anyway*. Because what damns you isn't the contract itself; what damns you is *being the sort of person who would sign*.And of course it's intelligent enough to cite the need for secrecy in demonology, and thus get you alone when it betrays you to minimize the number of people who learn that soul contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.And they're intelligent, planning malevolences. If you try to get clever and, say, summon up two of them and have them bid for your soul as xkcd suggests, they will both bid downwards. Your move, clever dick, you're damned anyway. Again, it's not the sale which damns you. The sale is void from the start; damnation comes from being the sort of person who summons demons to bid for your soul.
>>49403764>So /tg/, how do you like your demons..entities of a totally grey morality where any action may be sensible and within reasonlawyers of an exquisite degree. they take shapes that suit them, snatch bodies with permission, bodies can be made for them to inhabit.>and demon summoning to be like?variable to setting, with some recurrent things.prime numbers of things, such as repetitions, walked circuits of the summoning space, participants, symbolic objects, etc.summoning signs, such as pentacles, sigils, hexagrams, runes, symbols of power, etc.musicality, such as bells, summoning songs, chants, drums, etc.
I normally like going the warhammer route (at least that's where I know it from) where demons were formed from the thoughts and emotions of all sentient beings. Because of that, they tend to be somewhat based on the creatures of the mortal plane (i.e. Human/animal based)I think the way my DM ran summoning demons once was interesting. The mortal realm is like demon Disneyland. They're superpowered compared to their state back in hell, and they can go slaughter to their hearts content without much fear of their boss stopping them since the boss doesn't give a shit as long as you're not killing his slaves. But if a demon can't pay the soul tax to enter freely, they can barter their servitude to a denizen of the mortal plane for a period of time.Which makes summoning a demon a sort of bartering game As they write up a contract. The demon wants the most amount of freedom so they can enjoy their vacation and fuck about, and the mortal wants the most amount of control over the demon.
>>49404986>5spooke7meI'm going to have to look up more of his stuff
>>49404922Being chased by beings that are unimaginably monstrous, the sorts of creatures that devour archangels for fun and could permanently expunge Lovecraftian horrors with a wave of their (hand?)I never understood why Heaven/Hell/Limbo is the end. If there's life after death, shouldn't there also be a life after the afterlife? Imagine the things that live in those frightful worlds.
>>49405286Depending on how powerful/influential the demon is, the rites to summon it become more and more dangerous.For instance, if you wanted to call a demon prince or something like that, the stakes are raised.Imagine having to read a huge tome with a thousand pages, each word written in a dead language. Pronounce even a single word wrong, stutter even once, and you instantly die.
>>49403764When in the flesh I like them to have obvious symbolic physical aspects like an idol. Fuck subtility.
>>49410143The Vincent Price sample? The whole album is on youtube. It's great.
>>49411075subtlety isn't a hard word to spell
>>49406214Fuck you Kanaxai you giant asshole
>>49403909deer antlers are okay though right?
>>49404922The evilest of BBEGs. Things that have thoughts that like that of the first of the authors of the Book of Vile Darkness.
>>49405329If you can have a delayed trigger to summon it, you could use the summoning like a time bomb. Except instead of exploding the victims have to deal with a demon.
>>49403764>demonsnon-existent since forever and an age ago, now the role of the denizens of hell are taken up by devils, merely mischievous entities but not outright malevolent like their predecessors were.
>>49404769I imagine the people who made and buy this music are the same one's who have flying spaghetti monster bumper stickers.
It absolutely cannot end well for the summoner.Ever.Sometimes it doesn't even end well for the demon.
>>49405385is that done by the dude who did covers for a bunch of ligotti books
>>49411266Kanaxai was fun and made me rich.
>>49415068What if the summoner is another demon?
>>49403764I like them bestial and rapey.Summoning is very rapey.
>>49405980Kek>>49406640That's the point, occultism gotta be disturbing, otherwise it's just wizardry with edgy theme
>>49405286Gimme a lifestone.
>>49403764I like my demons purged
>>49416727Occultism doesn't have to be disturbing at all. Most of occultism is just stuff that's not accepted by the major world religions and their branches.
>>4941676140k meme, please go.
>>49404056I'd rather save the otherworldly tentacle thing for eldritch Lovecraft shit from outside of the known planes... the dark in between worlds or wherever those things come from?Imo even tho demons are kinda elemental forces of negative or malevolent force, they're still pretty based upon feelings or concepts of humanoids or consciousnesses in the material world, and thus have more "familiar" shapes. Ofc demons can be fucked up and look quite otherworldly, but I think much less so than world-eating horrors from beyond the void: Monstrous, but not mindwarpingly alien.
>>49417027I would say that there is room for octopus demons in a Japanese setting.
>>49417053Holy shit, is this legit? This is beautifully batshit, a marvellous medley of oddball octopuses. An untapped treasure trove of memery, for sure.
>>49404747I don't know what's going on in this picture but it's kinda erotic.I wonder what he's writing.
>>49417487he's a questmaster
>>49419481It'd be funny if in an MMO there was this monk or priest quest giver who saw sexy demons everywhere but actually just had an overactive imagination.
>>49419655I think there was something similar in dragon's crown.
>>49419775Dragon's Crown had surprisingly nice flavour text for the quests.
>>49405203This. Then again any demon can look great as long as their look doesn´t clash with the setting they inhabit. Will try to dump some demon pics, avoiding Cthulhu and 40k ones. As much as i like those it´s nice to see some other ones occasionally.
A representation of your anxieties perhaps?
I'd like to play in a Bartimaeus inspired setting at some point. You have daemons of different classifcations, the name giving one of the Quadrology is a Djinni. Other classes are Afrits and Marids. There are also demons that are outside (either too weak or too strong) to be classified.Summoning is pretty standard actually. You Research the demons name, draw a banishing circle or however you want to call it and carefully recite an incantation. Then you hope you haven't made a mistake and do your best to not make one from here on. And negotiate. And demons can do pretty much the same the other way round if they get a hold of your birth name.And besides summoning there is no magic in the setting. All magic of the setting revolves around summoning (with maybe one exception: I don't remember how Golems work in the setting).Damn, I need to reread the books.
>>49420569A personal favorite. Demons should be luring mortals with promises of friendship and sympathy as often as wealth and earthly pleasures.
>>49420680reminds me of my absolute favorite portrayal of demons/devils, from Nobilis;they are all-loving, but they love wicked and corrupt things the most because only they are there to give those things love, so they have a weird insanity where they will always be there to help you (especially at your worst) but they will also corrupt and twist you unless you explicitly tell them not to because they just can't understand evil or wrongness in -anything-
>>49420680I like the idea of demons preying on children by acting as imaginary friends.
>>49403909Wow! how wrong can you get?
>>49420680I'd actually like it if demons can't influence mortals directly (at least not positive feelings, i.e. make someone fall in love), only the material world in directions that have consequences, wealth, work results etc. Fucking up shit up and make the target seem responsible is no problem though...The demon itself can of course be friendly and caring (>>49422279), or just "cuddly" (pic related), but it's very difficult for it to make other mortals feel strong positive emotions for the target.
>>49420844>NobilisIs this a book?
>>49422624When I think of demons being caring, my mind goes to possessive loving and intense jealousy. Never any healthy compromise.
I run a homebrew campaign called Go To Hell! And one of the things i try to distinguish is that a demon's appearance, and summoning depends specifically on their circle. For instance, wrath as a whole is concerned with function over form, so demons tend to be generic and bland, with summoning usually being a flash of fire.conversely, demons of greed are about flashiness. Usually they appear in a swirl of paper currency that burns away as they materialize, with their appearance generally being based around precious metals and gems. Defining demons should not be a lumped together thing, rather each demon should have its own personal flair to it
>>49422340Goat demons are boring, man. Maybe your grandpa thought they were cool because people had shitty imagination back in the day. But now we are in the modern era with much cooler complexity.
>>49422685>possessive loving and intense jealousySince demons primarily deal with negative emotions that doesn't sound especially unreasonable?But it would be a fun with an exception to the trope and have the demon actually feel sympathy for and care about the mortal it's dealing with. The demon very possibly doesn't give a shit about anyone else though?
>>49422795I'm okay with that. I like the idea that demons don't react like mortals do and experience emotions in extremes. The sympathy and caring could become overbearing for a mortal. At the same time I see them as being extraordinary self serving and opportunistic due to their predatory nature.It should be a dramatic and taxing realtionship for any adult mortal involved.
>Over a hundred posts>Not one of barloweI'm disappointed tg.
>>49423243>not posting better resolution
>>49422644Nah, it's an RPG where you play as the god of a concept, like water or betrayal, and fight to stop outer horrors from ending existence.
>>49422279If I remember correctly the imaginary friend bit was used in Exorcist.Strictly evil demons obsessed with corrupting the innocent feels a tad overdone these days. I'd rather explore the story potential of hell/the abyss being a machine created specifically to process sins via punishment. Where people expect them to lie, cheat, and manipulate but they're actually incredibly fair and precise. Sure they look horrible but they fulfill a very necessary roll in the cosmological operation of the universe. That demon isn't preying on that girl, he's her personal horned advocate. Next time her dad beats her or her mom is drinking too much or her creepy uncle gets all grabby hands, just call him up and he'll shove a fistful of flaming nettles up their backsides. You know, like Krampus. He doesn't hit you because he loves child abuse, he just wants you to be a better person so next year you'll have earned presents instead.Honestly I never quite understood the Christian cosmology. Lucifer rebels because he's pissed off at God, is defeated, falls into hell, and then God immediately gives him a job? Why would he suddenly be inclined to listen to his dad? And wasn't it suspiciously convenient that he rebels just as God needs someone to run his sin prison? You'd think the Devil would be more inclined to say, "Hey, you pissed off God too? Good for you! Pull up a chair and grab a bear, Hitler is just about to read a few chapters from his revised edition of Mein Kampf!" A true /pol/ paradise.
>>49423683>grab a bear
>>49424908Bears are delicious,e specially when tenderly roasted int he fires of perdition.
>>49423769How is it stolen? Its up on 1d4chan.
>>49425350Maybe he liked the idea and he's saying he's stealing it?
>>49425479Ah, then enjoy it, we've been enjoying ourselves because its fairly rules light, and the potential for creative design is endless. For instance our first big bad guy was a holder (people who have contracts with demons) so corrupted by his demon he weighed a literal ton yet suffered no ill effects
>>49425519I'm just guessing. It's what I assumed reading it, anyway. It's a basic enough idea, and I think I've heard of something like it before. At least with the greed description, though I think it was a shower of gold coins instead of paper money. Can't recall if it was a video game or, hell, some anime or other. It's a nifty idea.
I always figured that glyphs ina summoning circle acts like an adress or phone number to certain demons.
>>49423683Satan being the tormentor in Hell is more of a modern conception. The original representation was just for him to be the ultimate bad example for humans, and that the worst punishment you could ever receive is to be turned away from God. This is why Satan/Lucifer is shown tempting people so often; he wants others to suffer and be cast away from God like he was because he's a spiteful twat. Even in the Divine Comedy (which shouldn't be taken as Biblical canon), Satan is shown as a prisoner in the lowest circle of Hell, NOT its ruler.
>>49428094He wasn't even the original tempter, the serpent, though many modern interpretations equate the two.
>>49424908>>49425124Finally I can use it!
>>49428839He didn't even roll the bear around in cheeto dust and mixed with mountain dew before eating it. Emersion totally broken.
>>49432412>Kill 6 Billion Demonshttp://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/kill-six-billion-demons-chapter-1/
>>49403764I like my demon summoners to be like contractors: there are good ones and bad ones. Friends tend to ask eachother for the names of good ones, but odds are everyone's had a half-summoned pit fiend sitting in their kitchen for over a week when you hired the guy to summon a toilet vrock over a month ago.
>>49432426>Fiends asking for the names of good demon summoners."Yo, you know Jack? Faerun dude? Totes bro to answer. Got to chill out eating cookies for a week before going full rip and tear on some bandits. Only got banished cause I took too many arrows to the face."
>>49403764The way it works in my setting, is that demons were once people. They're dark, twisted souls who lived an evil life and died violently. Over the years their spirit has stewed in its own hatred and negative emotions and becomes more powerful. Older demons are more powerful, but summoning them becomes harder as it's harder to remember or find records of who they were.Summoning these demons requires knowledge of the specific demon you're looking for. If you want to summon the spirit of an axe murderer for example, you'd need to go to the village of his birth, possibly to his old estate, and create a summoning circle with a bloodied axe in its center, reciting his name on the night or hour he was hanged by the authorities. Date and time has just as much significance as name and knowledge, and getting any of them wrong can summon the wrong demon or weaken the circle, allowing the intended demon more freedom once summoned.Appearance-wise, demons look human, but their features are warped. The axe murderer in this example would be incredibly tall and imposing, with a face permanently warped with rage into a twisted snarl. His arms would he long, with corded, wiry muscle. His neck would be broken as it was in his life, with the remnants of his noose hanging from his neck. His skin would be a sickly color, and his body may be covered in scales, horns or other features if he's old enough and had enough time to grow stronger.
>>49432552The monsters could very well be interpreted as demons, in >The Last Halloweenhttps://www.last-halloween.com/posts/1
>>49428178Though that bears the question, if "Satan" is Lucifer (i.e. first rebelling angel) what the fuck was the Serpent? And why hasn't there been any mentions of that entity since?
>>49432678Satan is not Lucifer. Satan is an angel loyal to God that test people's faith with excessive methods. Lucifer was an angel that started a rebellion and was cast down in Hell; which is a domain where the presence of God can't be found.
>>49419481I only ever see this pic, but is it part of a set?
Y'all got it backwards. Angels? Those are the fucked up terrifying things. Ophanim, chayots, shit like that. There's a reason they tend to introduce themselves with a big "FEAR NOT" while the mortals shit themselves in awed terrorDemons on the other hand are falsely beautiful. An attempt to improve upon creation. But without the divine touch, there's just something off about them. They try too hard to be perfected creation, and it turns into being disturbing and unsettling. Uncanny and wrong.
>>49420486that isn't a demon, that very obviously is just a thorn knight angel
>>49432678I think that the serpent was literally just a snake, that's why sneks got no leg.>>49433099angels appear human but the glory of god shines through them so they be scary, but they still look like people if they are planning to talk to people. unless that person is Ezekiel. then they go for the whole shebang.
>>49433099To be honest though, I think their form would freak me less than the fact that I have like a 1gb folder of anime dicks open up on the other screen.Even with them screaming 'FEAR NOT', I'm going to be panicked and trying to close out as many windows as possible.
>>49432678According to traditional Jewish beliefs, the snake was just an ordinary snake. In the Garden of Eden, before original sin, all life could communicate with each other.The snake's name was Nehesh, or Nekhesh depending on how you transliterate ח. He wasn't Satan, and wasn't supernatural in any way. He was just kind of an asshole.
>>49433471That's what I always figured. Christianity is the religion that has hyped up the idea of the Devil being a super villain the most.
>>49416663Demons can't do that that's illegal.
>>49420590>(with maybe one exception: I don't remember how Golems work in the setting)Luckily for you, I do.Golems, as you rightly remember, are not summoned. They are made, using bodies of clay (which MIGHT be imbued with certain human-castable magic; that I'm not clear on). They then need two things: an eye, which is an ancient artefact and thus both extremely powerful and extremely valuable; and a parchment, which has a charm written upon in ink blended with the blood of the writer. This charm actively drains the life-force of the writer while they're writing it, in order to power the golem.You then stuff the parchment into the head of the golem, stick the eye onto the forehead of the golem and start ordering your new demon-killing, darkness-generating, super-strong abomination against the natural order to do whatever you want it to do.
>>49434120Obviously he's a demon lawyer.
>>49434090D&D demons do it all the tiiiiiiime.>be a dretch>get onto the material plane through tricking a foolish summoner wizard to pull me through the ether>get subjected to obnoxious menial labour for untold years>eventually the summoner either a). dies, or b). forgets about me, so I gtfo>wander around, eat some small children, typical dretch shit>this is the abyssal dream>one day get shat on by a wandering group of PCs but it's okay, I'm low level so they must be low level.>Still, they rove in bands of 4-5. shit.>ring up some friends>"Hey Maurice, get your ass up here.">him: What, no. You're a demon dude, you know that's against the rules.>What are you a pussy? I don't see no Inevitables, do you?>him: fine>we drop appropriate treasure for an encounter of our level>fml
>>49434146I believe the term is "devil"
>>49427063"Hi, you've reached the answerglyph of ABRAXAS TORMENTOR OF SOULS. Please leave your message after the bloodcurdling scream of the eternally damned soul."
>>49434424What if the demon is using an old time modem that blocks incoming calls?
>>49435036...fuck if I know.
>>49437133This is the beginning of a cult, isn't it? They just have too much joy looking at it.
>>49403764I like my demons to place high value on laws and contracts, taking the "deal with the devil" idea and turning it up to 12. I always though it was kind of paradoxical that in Christian mythology demons (supposedly beings of chaos and evil) are bound by rules and laws and agreements, whereas angels (supposedly beings of order and good) are out destroying cities, cursing mankind with plagues, and every time they come in peace they have to tell people "be not afraid" or theyll start a riot. The idea of demons being creatures of chaos and violence who closely follow the letter (if not the spirit) of their contracts has always amused me.
go to a random thread on /x/ for inspiration >>>/x/18147016
>>49437405Furries are always lame. No exceptions.
I have always loved how the demon summoning worked in Hellraiser with the puzzlebox being a ritual artifact for opening a rift to a hellish dimension. I love that the promises of untold pleasure is a lure to trick the most depraved of mortals into searching for it and ultimately losing their soul. I also love that the Cenobites also adhere to a code of conduct like it's a business transaction.www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-468WgS9To
>>49405286Oh hey a human. Give me 5000 macca.
>>49411176not that anon but for any romance languages native speaker some words like subtlety look really unnatural
>>49420341Tell the "artist" that drew this to take an example and cut his veins. God it couldn't be more horrendous even if he did it on purpose, just having saved that to your computer makes you deserve to die.
>>49437212they are moddeling it, thats why so much joy, but sure, it will be a cult, why would two human beings model a chimeric demon?
Less Occult more OfficeHell is basically a big unholy Car Dealership where Devils sell off the use of the Demons under their rule, and sometimes (read: extremely rarely) offer their own abilities/services.Written contracts galore.
>>49440841This is an interesting idea. I'm used to Warhammer lore so my point of reference is Chaos, but I've recently started to dip my toes into the Pathfinder and D&D lore, and this looks like the lawful evil hell I've seen mentioned a few times.
>>49403764Got a great image I forgot to save once.I basically had an idea of fab squad goat demons. Aloof, well built Adonises with goat heads so high above humanity, only trading favors out of humor or a cheap alternative to getting it themselves.
>>49403764>What would demon summoning to be like?Like a phonecall.You need to know their name and number, either finding it in a demonic yellow pages of forbidden lore or from someone who knows the guy.Some don't like being called because they are busy doing demon thangs, some are lonely as fuck and just want some contact, even if its some lowly mortal. It's especially annoying for them since mortals are basically phone salesmen, always calling you for shit you don't want or need to deal with right now.
>>49403764I've recently run a game where I've finally been able to run demons in a manner I've wanted to for a while: Approachable, VERY easy to summon with costs that are never so high that you find yourself doing anything other than trying to talk yourself into taking the deal "just this once", It's freaked my players out to the extent they haven't so much as tipped a toe into the smallest bargain, while easy communicating how worryingly supported and flat out dangerous those that do can be to them.
>>49440841>>49441082The Hellraiser Hell is very lawful evil. It's an endless labyrinth ruled by a god of logic named Leviathan that is obsessed by order and to ultimately remove all living things from the cosmos because he find the randomness of life to be a great annoyance to his omnipotence. Reflecting their god the demon servants are very cold and calculating. They do everything by rules and methods.
>>49419481I'd succ her butt
>>49403764this looks edgy and lame.
>>49403764I like demons to be formless, and to corporate it requires possession or summoning/binding to a substance (meat sack turned body horror or evil goop turned comprehensible demon shaped).
>>49444333>That fucking look on that male devil's faceI can't stop laughing.
>>49432587epicurean tastes, friend
I like the idea that the longer a demon goes without being summoned the more bored it gets of hell, and the more likely it'll listen to you so that it can have some fun in the mortal realms, so a lower level demon that gets summoned all the time would be like "you better make this good or i'm going to twist the shit out of this deal." and a higher level one who hasn't been summoned in a millennia would probably be willing to do almost anything in exchange for you letting it go ham in a populated area for a couple hours.
>>49444350Great contribution to the thread.
>>49444447This throne/chair thing was built to please her. Just look at it.
>>49447367You just see what you want to see.
I really like the look of generic goat-headed Beelzebub looking fuckers, but at the same time I also like having beastmen in my setting which could have goat like heads, so it kind of creates a problem.I suppose making them a bit like xenomorphs or those fuckers with skull heads built in like this >>49408502 might be a good way to distinguish them.
>>49448406You could go with the Baphomet look and have them look like divine goatmen.
>>49448406Maybe the goatmen like to fool especially dumb wizards into thinking they're legitimate demons
>>49403764In my most recent setting I basically classified a demon as any spirit (ghost or non-ghost) which lacks the concept of altruism.So a low grade "demon" will just be your usual jackass trickster spirits, whereas more aggressive ones with be completely self obsessed, lack any sort of empathy, and only be concerned with fulfilling their desires and tormenting those they don't like (i.e: everyone).Because they're ethereal they can take any form they wish, they usually just look like spiky monstrosities because they love intimidating mortals.They also are terrified by their own deaths, despite loving destruction in general, because they can't comprehend the loss of their sense of self.On the flipside, angels and and the like are so completely altruistic they have no concept of themselves outside of the collective, and don't fear death as they only think in terms of the greater good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLSOkIajGMI'm a demon
This thread makes me happy.>Running WoD game>Players are combating a demonic invasion>Demons are all unnatural, grotesque abominations>mfw I'm secretly running a CoC game and the players all think the monsters are just demons.
>>49442137it all makes sense now
So is there demons in the Cthulhu mythos or are they all gods, aliens and interdimensional travelers?
>>49452511What's this from?
>>49453493Look at the file nam friendohttp://www.idwpublishing.com/product/hot-damn-1/
>>49453563Ah. Wasn't sure if that was the name of it or what. ThanksGuess I could've googled it, huh?
>>49441456Someone never read the book.
>>49403764Anybody have any personal demon ideas they've wanted to include in their games? Personally I've got an interest in making a Demon Lord out of this guy.
>>49412165Fans making altered lyrics of established songs is fedora now?
>>49456902I have read the book. The movie version was a revision of it and the setting has basically been developed in comic books ever since the second movie. I don't how much Clive Barker have altered the setting in the last decade, though.
Demons are the creatures made by the one who stole the power from the Goddess of Love. Always feeling heartwarming comfiness and sleepy delirium, they've many forms and purposes. Some smoky black demons serve to drag the faithful into the underworld that the Gods created and intended only sinners to go to, while some others are giant blood-coated motherly wisps that lull people of import to disregard reality and just sleep.But then you have otherworldly demons, who are such mean motherfuckers that the god of the reality they originally came from said "I am not having this shit," kicked their ass, and mailed them next door. One example is Moloch, the Graven Image, Golden Calf, Brazen Bull, and God of Fire. Having arrived against his will after his complete expulsion from one reality, he has no idea what's going on, so he forms a cult to scout and learn about the world as he plots what he desires to do and how.
Hell is full. Anyone who dies at the appointed time consigns an old tormented soul to oblivion.Summoning a demon requires a death that was not appointed - the sacrifice has to exercise their free will to choose to die (minor demons get summoned by suicides all the time), which overloads hell and sends a demon screaming into the world. With enough esoteric knowledge a demon can be contained and, maybe, controlled, but in most cases the best that can be hoped for is to /aim/ it and watch it go.Hell isn't a nice place, and demons tend to cause local damage to reality simply by being outside their natural realm.
>>49404734>Showing them with horns and hooves has gone on for millenniamost medival sources ive seen show demons/the devil as a combination of animal parts with sometimes multiple limbs or faces on asses
>>49423429did he ever make a sequel to gods demon because it kinda ended in a cliffhanger
>>49462357Wasn't a lot of pagan deities demonified by the Church to keep people from worshipping them?
>>49445188i dont know why, but i really like creatures with huge things on their heads
>>49462452They must really hate doorways and narrow hallways.
>>49462435that was done with all competing religions tho.nergal, baal, these were names of main gods from other religions
>>49462465It's funny. You'd think churches and cathedrals would be built with smaller entrances to keep the demons out, since illusions don't make towering horns less convenient....I'll put that in my setting.
>>49417053This iz amazing.
>>49462492It's the religious version of calling someones waifu a shit.
>>49462497>place full of superstitious fucks>all the doors are small>have PCs take a limbo stick test to get admittance to the town>all because a conjurer's horned demon didn't duck low enough when following him into the bar and ended up hinged into the wood
i like my demons who are former humans who by committing waste amounts of sin and horrendous acts turn into demons by a slow process
>>49420590>And besides summoning there is no magic in the settingMagicians still have some powers, like making seduction charms and firing small energy blasts. But yes, 90% of all magic is summoning because even the mid-level demons can do magic better than human magicians.
>>49456908I'd like to make a Demon Lord out of this guy.
>>49403764Demons> The source of the darkest and most twisted parts of humanity. If there is a deviance and perversion, a black mark upon the human soul, it has been done better by the demons.Summoning> Dangerous. If the summoner makes one small error, the Demon eats him, laughs and goes back to the pit to torture the soul it has at it's leisure.
>>49409470fucking kek>>49409691>I dreamed again god still loves meI love it
>>49440841Kind of the idea of Crowley's Hell in Supernatural. Most demons are simply tormented souls of humans unable to repent that turn into demons over time. The original rulers of hell were the magnitudes more powerful original demons that were actual fallen angels turned into demons through their fall. They constantly tried to get Lucifer out of his cage in hell. They were the embodiment of "chaotic evil" an enjoyed nothing more than torture and evil and chaos.But Crowley used some clever sceming and abused the chosen heroes as tools to off those demons and took over hell.Under him, Hell just became a lawfull evil used car salesman mega corp with him as the ceo. Everything was turned into a mix of evil overlord castle and grimdark office. Demon's jobs were now to simply sell as many contracts to humans as possible and make themselves a good name to get even more humans to sell their souls. Everything you could imagine in a lawfull evil hell, including quarterly "sales" reports with meetings and pie charts.The burning hell of torture was instead turned into the inconveniently temperated hell of boredom and burocracy. All souls of sinners just stand in one giant witing queue at the gates of hell, with only one person at the counter, but if they reach the front they just get a new number and have to go back to the back of the queue, passing all the oil paintings of nazi personalities and the eternally long queue of waiting people again in the other direction.Only the souls of those that are deemed to have good potential as a soul contractor get tormented into demons and send out again.You can say what you want about the Supernatural cosmology (such as demons/angels being visually boring, it getting super convoluted), but I allways liked the transformation of hell, Crowley, the scheeming angel pricks, Metatron and of course the god of creation that sacrificed his own little sister to create the world and then left it to its own devices.
>>49405298> that golden arc climax> my melanin blessed fraternal companion
>>49404635That was pretty cool!
Dunno why hellraiser stuff's posted here, but so I don't make an opinion without having the facts, let me see if I do have all the facts.If I understand correct, Leviathan isn't the devil/a demon but an order god, Leviathan's realm isn't actually Hell, cenobites do what they do because they believe it enlightening for all parties involved rather than just for fun, and the cenobites aren't much more than supernaturally empowered people that still die when they are killed. Should the franchise even be slotted in with hell-related stuff for any reason other than similar imagery and namesake? I only remember one actual demon at all in the Epic comic series, and only one in the first two movies. Haven't read the newer comic series for it Barker was involved with yet though, so my info could be dated, has anyone here read those?
>>49403764>that pic>the summoner is wearing a demon kigurumi to make the demon feel welcome
>>49403764As a DM, if a living thing didn't have to die for it to be summoned, it's a pissass demon.
>>49467344Good taste, I have a bunch of those as well. Terrible picture and shitty white-thumbtacks atm; just moved, don't judge.Got a whole wall of the fuckers though.
>>49423683You don't understand it because you don't know enough about it.
>>49472214Hey, whatever aids the ritual.
>>49447342>Great contribution to the thread.same 2 you
>>49472225Does it have to be a creature or will some grass be fine?
>>49475004That could be said about everything.
>>49466265*spanish guitar intensifies*
>>49473259Where can I get these?
Worst Devils being conniving and scheming, Worst Demons brutal assholes,lesser of both struggling and surviving, All of them after your souls.
>>49477535By the end of the scene, Is he literally drawing Megumin?
>>The Abyss i would think. Even evil wants to exist. Nothingness if not falling into insanity/lost of self never sounds fun good to any sentient being.
>>49482393I know that demon.
>>49404769Is that a JoJo panel?
>>49405526Oh man, I recognize that one from my Pathfinder game. Our DM built a pretty fucked up adventure based around them.
>>49405298Meh, not my thing, I like my demons a little less all-powerful.
As metal and occult as possible. It needs to be edgy.
>>49409732That's not narratively interesting at all.
Proper animu demon
I designed a world where the underworld was inhabited by demons. They generally held many forms and shapes but generally were comprehensible and acted like normal people, their culture sort of like a working class sort of community in a magic based victorian era.Then there were some that were tired of the underworld and looked at the mortal plain, enraged they couldn't conquer it, sealed in the underworld. They were generally more powerfuland had to be bound to weaker forms, or else they would bring destruction on all realities.All of this governed by the demon king, a god of near infinite power.
>>49419655>>49420680I'm going to merge these two ideas together.>Priest sees demons everywhere, all in his head though>ends up locking himself in the church just before players arrive in town>Visions caused by little girl who's made a Warlock pack with a devilHaven't decided what exactly the priest did to warrant this kind of revenge, but it will be more along the lines of murder then pedophilia. I just want to see my players faces when they realise they isn't actually anything inside to stab.
In fantasy, I like the Michael Moorcock/Warhammer/ TES interpretation of the demonic the best.Demons and Demonic gods aren't inherently evil, but incarnations of a mortals wishes, desires, and sometimes twisted emotions. As beings themselves they are either too powerful and love to fuck mortals over because of their love of chaos, or they will trade you power for your soul, fair and square.Personally I dislike Manichean settings where one pantheon of gods is all good and another is all bad like in Forgotten Realms. Or making a fantasy version of Christianity opposing the bad demons like Dragon Age does. Lovecraft is also very good but his entities are too impersonal to have them in anything other than a modern setting where it's modern technological understanding of the world against eldritch ancient knowledge.Chaos vs Order works best I think,
>>49487830Wouldn't a male succubus be an incubus?
>>49420341>"SOME-WHEEERE OUT THEEERE!"
>>49490146When did fuccbois gain such traction on 4chan? I know we always had the closeted gay obsession with dickgirls; did everyone finally realize they just wanted to fuck men?
>>49403764Call up demon, exchange currency for goods and services, vacate area.
>>49404922Lack of grog
>>49490394I blame it's current year.
>>49490394Traps have been a thing on 4chan for a long time, although to begin with I'm pretty sure it was mostly to "trick" people (hence the name). But you know, you get exposed to something long enough...
>>49492170/tg/ used to have blatant trap and futa threads a bunch of years ago. This place was always degenerate. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
>>49490394In my cause - yes actually. And fucking men turns out to be more fun.