>>49187660
For dosh and salvage!

FOR HOUSE AND DOMINION

For house and highly fragmented super state.

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At present it looks like two of the faster enemy heavy cruisers, the experimental designs, have formed up and are beginning a run around Avoubic. They may be planning a strike at the array or gravity well.

Your Siege Array has 2 Heavy Cruisers acting as escort as well as providing shield protection with additional platforms. The Gravity well is defended by a small force currently lacking much in the way of firepower.

The Mobile Fortress is dropping into an increasingly low orbit of Avoubic after several asteroid missile impacts. Despite this it's still trading fire with your Supers.

A Heavy Carrier and escort somewhat near to you are forming up and appear to be conducting a fighting retreat.

Heavy cruiser that was badly damaged is still limping away but increasing speed. Earl Tarse-enic has ordered everyone to ignore it since it will be a strain on enemy logistics but you could still have Kim attack it.

Count Nirium is already in favour of deactivating the gravity well generator and will do so unless you make your intentions for it clear.
A and B were tied at the end of last thread. If vote is not clearly in favour of a particular option Nirium will veto it.
While the Count may have veto power over certain elements of the operation using them will probably annoy you/your allies so they've tried to avoid it. Ruling House has to play politics because of weak position.

Do you want the Gravity well to cut and run, or will you rely on the Array to scare off the Heavy Cruisers? Or a little of both?
A) Gravity well turns off. Array continues orbit
B) Gravity well stayed on. Array shoots at pair of Heavies
C) Gravity well turns off. Array shoots at pair of Heavies

>>49188124
>B) [x] Gravity well stayed on. Array shoots at pair of Heavies

Can we get the cloaked ships to do an SP bombing run on the engines of the two heavies?

>>49188124
>A
Let's not throw the grav well or array away.

>>49188178
They can but Arron informs you that they won't have a good chance of succeeding until the formation breaks free of the main Melee.
"We probably only have enough warheads to damage one of them. They do have older anti-torpedo armour."

>>49188124
C) Gravity well turns off. Array shoots at pair of Heavies

What I think is happening is the two Heavies will be trying to distract us while the Fortress tries to get slip away, but if we can take them out quick enough the Array might still be able to fire before the Fortress can begin its accent again. All we need is a good shot at the Fortress.

>>49188124
As long as the Mobile Fortress is taken out I think we can cut our casualties short here without jeopardizing the defence.
So, I'll vote A. unless somebody can tell me I'm being retarded.
>A) Gravity well turns off. Array continues orbit

>>49188124
B) Gravity well stayed on. Array shoots at pair of Heavies

>A) Gravity well turns off. Array continues orbit

You suggest that the gravity well be deactivated while the array continues it's orbit. The extra firepower should help down additional enemy ships or force their surrender.

There should be enough time to bleed off the singularity and jump before the heavy cruisers can reach the generator.

"Arron get your friends and set up to hit the engines on one of those heavy cruisers. Signal me when you're in position. If it's too dangerous let me know."

"Copy that."

You and Avun's fleet are still a third of the way across the battlefield from those Heavy Cruisers but this new model of Heavy Carrier might be faster than the older types like the Senate Class.
"Do you think we could catch them if we moved now?"

The Knight Commander considers it.
"My ships and yours are fast. It might be possible as long as nothing in the way slowed us down."

The Mobile Fortress is also in that direction but it looks like the two Super Heavies and Avoubic's surface defenses are holding.

In nearly the opposite direction is another Talos Heavy Carrier you've had your eye on. Their fighting retreat may hold back enough of your allies near them to allow nearby enemies to rally.

Vanderwal and Tama seem to be arguing about something until the Admiral tells the paroled spy to talk to you about it.

"However this turns out we'll have lot a lot of ships today."
"Get to the point." you tell him.
"Our current group would probably be able to force the surrender of some routed enemies netting us lots of salvage in better condition."

You note that it would also neglect the more dangerous heavy ships leaving them for your allies to tackle.
Vanderwal shrugs. "So it's a little selfish."

A) After the Fortress
B) After the two faster Heavy Cruisers
C) The fleeing Heavy Carrier
D) Target Routed enemies. Try to force their surrender

>>49189286
>B) After the two faster Heavy Cruisers
I think the Fortress is handled, so we should target any lingering pockets of resistance, like the Heavy Cruisers could be.

>>49189286
>B) After the two faster Heavy Cruisers

>>49189286
B) After the two faster Heavy Cruisers
The fortress won't get far, its fat ass, damage, and losing most of its escort mean it will be easy to pursue in the long run. The carrier's tempting but the two heavy cruisers seem both more valuable strategically and in $$ at this point.

>>49189286
>A

I think we should make sure the fortress is taken out. However, that doesn't mean Avun can't take the carrier and ships that won't do well close to the fortress to bully weak enemy groups into surrendering.

>>49189286
D) Target Routed enemies. Try to force their surrender

Man let's look out for us for once.

Except that I do want the OH to perform a ramming run on the fast Heavy Cruiser that is weak to that.

But yeah. As badly as I want that fortress . . . I don't want to make the mistake of going for the Distraction Carnifex l.

>>49189586
why not just ram the shit out of the big ship AND claim salvage on it? OH TSTG I was meaning to ask but is it possible to energize the ramming prow like a SP torpedo thus allowing for shield piercing ram attacks and more importantly shield piercing boarding pods?

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>>49189586
>Except that I do want the OH to perform a ramming run on the fast Heavy Cruiser that is weak to that.
There are no fast heavy cruisers that are specifically weak against ramming. Or at least not from a Medium Cruiser.

I believe it highly likely you are confusing the reports about the Republic Pilum class attack cruisers that were decommissioned.
http://houseanddominion.wikia.com/wiki/Pilum_Class

If not please tell me which one you're talking about.
The Ceres/Bonrah Carrier?

In any case, the the Outer Heaven's bow has suffered some damage as a result of ramming since parts of the prow were modified to add torpedo launchers. Two launchers are damaged and while the OH is still ready for battle additional ramming would not be advised until repairs are completed.

>>49189833
Just to clarify, is that what they have left, or does that not include the losses we've inflicted on them

>>49189286
>D) Target Routed enemies. Try to force their surrender

I wouldn't mind trying to secure some salvage if possible.

>>49189833
I AM confusing them with the Pilum.

That's on me.

Nevermind. Salvage for us then and let our allies take some hits.

>>49189833
I'll be honest, while it damaged the launchers the ramming was the highlight of this whole battle, at least from an action/writeup perspective. On the strategic/tactical scale crushing our foes as they gaze with despair upon our naval savagery and ruining their aspirations for victory is wonderful. On a completely unrelated note can Sonia do a good crazed axemurder laugh or is her laugh just regular?

>>49189667
>is it possible to energize the ramming prow like a SP torpedo thus allowing for shield piercing ram attacks and more importantly shield piercing boarding pods?
If the ramming prow were made of the same casings that SP Torpedoes are, then yes it would be possible.

Unfortunately the parts of your ship not encased in the material would take collision damage from the shield and probably be ripped off.

The Kavarian Imperium makes use of a special torpedo design you've encountered that takes advantage of this. A spar with metal flaps is attached to the back of the warhead. After it pierces the shield the flaps deploy catching on the shield to halt the device. It stays in contact with the shield long enough to determine its frequency so that other ships can tune phase cannons to pass through them.

This trick doesn't work well against modern shields, but was great against the SRL Warlords.

>>49190009
Those were all of the Heavy Warships they started with not counting the Fort and 3 Megas.

>>49190170
>can Sonia do a good crazed axemurder laugh or is her laugh just regular?
She can probably belt one out.

"Set course for the two Heavy Cruisers. I want us to be nearby if anything happens with the gravity well generator."

Most of the group changes course while repair scarabs finish detaching the smashed Razor battlecruiser from the bow of your command ship. Once it is drifting free the helmsman brings the Outer Heaven about and increases engine power, quickly catching up.

Armored shutters on the outboard sections of the Heavy Carrier retract revealing what look to be powerful maneuvering thrusters.
"I love the Talos Heavy Carrier but it almost has too many upgrade options." Avun tells you as the drives power up.

"My advisors wanted me to add more sensor arrays or light siege weapons to the outboard pods since the extra engines reduce our endurance. Those wouldn't keep my ship alive if one of your guys jumped me with a Heavy Cruiser."

It's clear even to you that the carrier must be close to redlining its engines as your group begins to fight your way towards the Heavy Cruisers. Soon you're building up enough momentum that most enemies are reluctant to get in your way.

"Incoming assault corvette formation." reports sensors

"Watch it, they'll either try to get in close to our bigger ships or force us to slow down." warns Avun.

[ ] Engage on the move
[ ] Have faster elements slow to engage them then catch up
[ ] Order nearby allied units to intercept them

>>49190483
>[ ] Have faster elements slow to engage them then catch up

>>49190483
>[ ] Order nearby allied units to intercept them
It's the job of the smaller ships to allow the big ones to do their magic.

Had an idea for using the nanotech we picked up from those Terrorists

>take nanoporous/spaced plate
>intercalate sheets of magnetically active alloy
>run power through the plate

You get a super-tough armor plate that also acts as Reactive armor that vaporises anything that penetrates the plate thanks to the massive current running through it.

>>49190483
>[ ] Order nearby allied units to intercept them

"Keep pushing through, we need to reach those cruisers." you tell your group. "Coms see if you can raise some of the nearby allied units in the area to intercept the assault corvettes."

Two regular line units and two elite assault corvette teams respond to the hail and change course to intercept the ships targeting you. This is enough to cause most of the enemy to break off but a few squadrons continue to follow. They skirt the edges of the fighting and follow in your wake.

Roll 6d20 to shrug off damage from the remaining ships.

Rolled 17, 6, 6, 9, 20, 18 = 76 (6d20)

>>49191000
Not even trips will stop the Sonia train.

Rolled 6, 7, 11, 4, 1, 16 = 45 (6d20)

>>49191000
ROLLING BONES

Rolled 2, 11, 18, 15, 1, 16 = 63 (6d20)

>>49191000
>>49191000
Dice

17, 11, 18, 15, 20, 18

HIT THE BOOST KID

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"Helm, put us between the incoming ships and the carrier."
"Aye sir!"

The Outer Heaven shifts course, swinging behind the Heavy Carrier close enough that you worry about hitting their engine wash. Gunners on your ship and the escorts open fire on the incoming assault corvettes.

Most of them are nimble enough to evade the heavier phase cannon and plasma fire but the occasional one gets through. Even then they're able to shrug off anything less than a direct hit. Your Neeran plasma weapons take down one corvette while a lightning gun shot kills one and damages two more. That certainly shakes up their formation.

"Now they know who they're dealing with."

It's not long before you become a target for pretty much all of them. Any stray fire is directed your way in an attempt to batter down your shields. Your battlecruisers and other escorts take full advantage, setting up additional fire lanes in an attempt to get enemy corvettes to fly into kill zones. While it does knock out a few ships it's not as effective as you would have hoped.

Even when they manage to batter down your mains the secondary shields hold fast.

An attempt to flank around your heavier assets forces Avun's crew to once again close the protective bay shutters. Several of her corvettes are knocked out trying to help provide cover but the remainder are able to drive the enemy off. That or push them back for your ships to take care of.

After losing a full squadron and part of a second the enemy ships break off after a few parting shots. Two of of the Sulos corvette Squadrons need to dock for repairs.

You're closing in on Avoubic. The Heavy Cruisers you're after are still well ahead but you've built up enough speed that you'll be able to catch them just before they reach the Grav well generator.

The artificial well is starting to get smaller now but it's still too soon for enemy ships near the edge to jump just yet.

>Cont.

>>49190204
sooo would it say be feasable to make a small boarding pod covered in SP casing and then fire ti at the enemy via specialized launch tubes?

Sorry this is taking a bit.

>>49192922
The Terrans have 1 man SP boarding torpedoes for use by their special forces. Players turned down the opportunity to use them once as it was deemed too suicidal.

>>49192972
OF FUCKING COURSE they would!! Was that back when we first found versa and would it be too much to attempt to bring up that project again now that technology has clearly advanced a bit?

>>49193080
Calm down and think, Anon. It's still suicide since ships have PD to shoot down Torpedoes.

>>49193080
We have a habit of not asking people to do things we wouldn't do.

Given what we ARE willing to do, I feel that's reasonable

Maybourne flips through a few status reports then quickly checks sensor readouts.
"What the hell is the Fortress doing?"

You check as well and see that the bulky ship has started a hard turn. One that's happening much faster than you would have expected.

"Sensors what's happening with the fortress?"

"They've locked tractor beams on Avoubic and are using them to come about more quickly. They're basically pulling a handbrake turn."

The bow of the Fortress swings around bring its main guns to bear on the trailing side of Avoubic, unloading into the planetoids shields at point blank. Their orbit is so low now that the defenders have had to lower shields in some places. Some of the weapons fire is getting through to damaged the surface weapons.

"They're damaging the shields but not destroying them." reports sensors.

Tama looks up from his console. "Additional enemy ground troops have been detected on the surface. They're trying to capture the trailing side shield generators."

You catch part of a broadcast from Count Nirium ordering the surface defenders to detonate landmines surrounding the trailing side entrance.
"Us as many as you need but protect those shield generators."

Even through the shields you can see the nukes go off. Roughly ten square kilometers of the surface outside the defenses lights up.

The Fortress continues its turn, bringing the main guns to bear on the Forbearance and Bellamy. Some of the weapons are still aiming poorly or not at all as a result of sabotage, but they're still able to inflict damage on escorts.

>Cont.

Then there are two bright flashes of shields overloading and the Fort's orbit all but slams to a halt.

You look to your crew. "What just happened?"

"They're hit the planetary shields." answers Adel.
"Twice." adds Maybourne. "The main shield grid on this side of Avoubic just blew itself out but they still have the backups, the original shields."

Sensor data starts to come in which shows that the forward shields on the Fortress are still up, as are those from the remaining escorts and platforms. Half of the Forts sublight engines and a good chunk of its aft sections have been completely smashed.

It seems the impact killed most of their velocity and their orbit is rapidly deteriorating.

"Can they raise their aft shields?"

"Not completely. There's going to be a gap, and if they pull any shield platforms away from the front our Supers will start getting shots through."

The gravity well generator should still be able to jump before those Heavy Cruiser can reach them.

[ ] Stay on target, get those Heavy Cruisers
[ ] Change course for the Fortress (attempt to board / disable it)
[ ] Other

>>49193554
Are all three Dukes aboard the Fortress?

If yes, I vote to board it. If no, stay on target for the Heavies.

>>49193554
>[ ] Stay on target, get those Heavy Cruisers

>>49193554
>[ ] Stay on target, get those Heavy Cruisers
While interesting we shouldn't allow two heavy cruisers to escape from the battle.

>>49193603
>Are all three Dukes aboard the Fortress?
They should have been. That may have changed. If it hasn't they're probably in the middle of rapidly reevaluating their position.

>>49193554

Has the impact imparted any spin to the fortress?

Or are there any enemy wrecks we could collectively toss at the station with tractors as a distraction/bomb as we pass?

I'm still horribly behind, so I don't even know what the fortress looks like, other than an asteroid with engines?

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>>49193994
>Has the impact imparted any spin to the fortress?
As it was already in the middle of a spin the collision has lessened it slightly.

>Or are there any enemy wrecks we could collectively toss at the station with tractors as a distraction/bomb as we pass?
You'll be too far away to mange it with the right angle to hit the hole in its shields.

>I don't even know what the fortress looks like
Here's an old cross section diagram of the Alliance upgraded version.

>>49193554
[X] Change course for the Fortress Boarding

"Stay on target, we have to get those Heavy Cruisers. The Fortress is falling into the gravity well, we can deal with them later."

Avun reports that you've entered maximum effective range for her ship's light siege cannons.

"We can plink away at them from the rear while you move up with my assault corvettes. I'm only leaving a token force to guard my ship. We'll be able to hold without you for a bit."

"Acknowledged. Don't fire until my cloaked ships have finished their run."

"Copy, holding fire."

Arron reports in that they're in position, though the enemy may have detected their approach due to the need to push the engines.

>>49189833
Which of the two heavy cruisers at the bottom of the image did you want to target?

Roll 2d20 for SP Torpedo strike!

>>49194750
The one that doesn't look like a horseshoe

Rolled 13, 3 = 16 (2d20)

>>49194823
>>49194750

Rolled 1, 2 = 3 (2d20)

>>49193168
unless the PD is overwhelmed or unable to target it because of attempting to jump and such, I was mainly more thinking a long hte lines of machines being used with it or a krath or something along the lines of that crazy nanomachine guy but I cant think of anything (atm) that isnt a warcrime and or TOO suicidal to reasonably command some one to do.
>>49194750

Rolled 11, 10 = 21 (2d20)

>>49194750
Seconding >>49194823

Don't stop us now, dice!

>>49194873
ok im done im sorry I wont roll anymore for torpedos

Rolled 9, 3 = 12 (2d20)

>>49194750
Cloaked ships deserve better than this!

>>49194873
Please put more efforts into your posts.

"Arron target the Chining with your torpedoes."

Neither of the cloaked ships responds over coms, not wanting to further give away their position.

Arron fires off more than a dozen torpedoes, while his wingman only manages to get off ten before both are forced to break off due to weapons fire. The Heavy Cruisers and their escorts fill space behind them with phase cannon fire walking the shots outwards from were the torpedoes came from.

A few of the enemy escorts launch interceptor missiles but they have trouble targeting the warheads equipped with stealth coatings. You idly wonder if Aries had done that intentionally.

Several of the SP's detonate on the ships heavy armor, others slightly deeper inside their aft sections. Six of them penetrate parts of the sublight drives causing serious damage and at least one secondary explosion.

"Damage to starboard drive sections of Chining class. No signs that either of our Nocturn class ships were hit."

You give it a few seconds more before ordering your side to open up on the Heavies. Avun's assault corvettes and any of your own fast ships streak out ahead trying to close the distance more quickly.

Neither of the heavy cruisers medium plasma cannons are of Republic manufacture. Their range is the same as yours on the Outer Heaven. The rear light cannons on the Boli are however and their gunners prove to be good shots.

"Gravity well is down. Generator ship is preparing to jump to FTL."

It looks like the damaged Heavy Cruiser is falling behind though a trio of battleships have dropped back in an attempt to give enough of a speed boost to let it jump. The twin LD plasma cannon turrets on the Chining are still extremely dangerous to any of your ships that get near it. That may be necessary to inflict damage on the rest of the enemy group targeting the gravity well.

The well's escorts still claim they can protect it long enough to jump.

[ ] Focus everything on the damaged heavy
[ ] Split forces. Fastest ships go around to hit forward most enemies
[ ] Focus on trying to get everyone past the damaged Heavy


If you want you can also use more of your SP reserves to help along any of the options but this will include part of your emergency reserve.

>>49196071
>[ ] Focus everything on the damaged heavy

>>49196071
>[ ] Split forces. Fastest ships go around to hit forward most enemies
SP's are free on the Heavies

>>49196071
Split forces, dip into reserve

>>49196256
I'll support this sure.

>>49196256
I can get behind this.

>>49196071
>[ ] Split forces. Fastest ships go around to hit forward most enemies
SPs please.

You open a channel to the attack force.
"Split up. Assault corvettes try to get around the Chining, the rest of us will cover you by taking it down. SP torpedo restrictions recinded. Use as many as you need to down those Heavy cruisers."

"Copy that."
"You heard the lady, smoke em if you got em."

Assault corvettes split by squadrons and pour on the speed. The few afterburner equipped ships you have nearby do the same.

"Sir, that Chining is a problem for us." Maybourne points out, highlighting the turrets on the aft sections of the Heavy. "We're entering into effective range and they have eight medium plasma cannons to our two."

For now your helmsman will just have to evade as well as he can until you cripple it.

Roll 6d20

Rolled 7, 16, 19, 18, 20, 16 = 96 (6d20)

>>49197002
Well? What is it?

Rolled 2, 6, 13, 8, 2, 9 = 40 (6d20)

>>49197002
I really hope we don't lose yet another command ship.

Rolled 9, 11, 14, 11, 9, 13 = 67 (6d20)

>>49197002
We can do it!

Rolled 1, 5, 1, 17, 1, 12 = 37 (6d20)

>>49197002
Killer Queen Reynard someday?

>>49197107
>>49197083
>>49197069
9, 16, 19, 18, 20, 16

That's not so bad.

>>49197069
>Well? What is it?
Sorry, not all there at the moment. What is what?

>>49197116
>Killer Queen Reynard someday?
How do other players feel about playing up the "Psycho Sonia" moniker or others in battle?

Mad Baron was one I was thinking of as possible before but we've sort of left that behind with the promotion.

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>>49197438
Sorry I was making a Dark Souls reference. Don't mind it.

>>49197438
I still want to play up more of a "Grand Admiral Thrawn" style eccentric genius persona rather that simply being crazy. I mean, most of the ideas that we've used in this campaign to screw over the enemy have been the players (and hence Sonia's) ideas.

>>49197438
Sonia a sensible middle aged woman now.

>>49197438
Honestly I never saw the Psycho Sonia bit since we never enjoyed the combat itself just the end result.

>>49197600
Well sure if you consider 29 to be middle aged.

>>49197720
it's five years older than our actions should have allowed us to be.

>>49197720
Holy crap, we're almost 30. We're gonna end up being a lonely virgin or spacedust at this rate.

>>49197852
>We're gonna end up being a lonely virgin
Clone self, download memory upon death, say we're Sonia's illicit daughter, regain empire, begin again.

30 is not old!! Fuck you guys!!

>>49197852
Any hint of romance gets shot down hard. However amusing it would likely be

Can we romance a ship?

>>49198040
Vista is to pure for us

>>49198040
I'd ship it.

>>49198040
As soon as we steal Vista

Okay, fling list. Rank your potential husbandos.

Avun
Mike
Foss
Winifred
Vesta
Drake
Alex
That one krath guy that liked fruit
Winsbury

>>49197438
I like the idea of it coming out when thematically appropriate.

Using holographics to taunt our enemies and such.

>>49198297
Ew. You put Mike and Alex up there? The hell dude.

And no Linda?

But the answer is always Salvage and Glory.

Followed by the nephew of the Baron whose fighter we "borrowed".

>>49198297
Versa
Darrow
Foss
Eldal

>>49197438
>>49197654
I think it's something that we've done more after the battle with all the movies and such we've made for propaganda.

That plus usually our plans are crazy enough.

I'd like to continue our history of pushing it as PR though.

>>49198348
Hey now, both of them are long time friends with sizable wealth and holdings. If it weren't for marriage benefits the list would start at Winifred. Also I can't even remember the last time we saw Linda.

>>49198309
>Using holographics to taunt our enemies and such.
Don't forget we can try to use our Convertor to make spooky things happen, like lights turning off.

>>49198387
See, things like a lack of faithfulness is why you're bad at this.

Either go for full love, or pick someone who's politically on our level.

Realistically we should be looking at major nobility withing the Run to solidify our holdings there, or marrying into a major house, or another baron AT LEAST and preferably higher within JD.

>>49198429
Okay, but shopping around sounds like work. I'm just joking around.
Who in your mind would Sonia feel the best with?

>>49198429
Imagine the benefits of marrying Dante. The mechs we'd make, oh lord.

>>49197438
I mean. Haven't our actions been the Psycho part really? But it would be nice to get more name recognition for that. Like we're both what >>49197522 says tactically, but that we're also personally badass to throw down against.

Really wish I had voted to go outside the hull to catch up the bombers. Still say we should put that in our post-war propaganda movie.

>>49198466
I feel the nephew of Starfighter collecting Baron could have been a good match, maybe still is if he's the Heir, otherwise we've kind of outpaced any potential matches for now.

>>49198521
Say we've gone crazy and decided that we have become satisfied with our wealth. Who has Sonia been closest to emotionally? Is there anyone you would think she'd like to spend the rest of the century with together?

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>>49198379
>with all the movies and such we've made for propaganda.
On that note there are opportunities for additional moves based on some of your missions in the old days to increase your visibility within the Dominion, not just the House.

>>49198429
Not to mention post-civil war efforts that will probably take place to stabilize the Dominion through political marriages.

>>49198471
>The mechs we'd make, oh lord.
A couple weeks ago I realised it would only take some minor modifications and a general size increase to make this.

Despite being a newer ship Avun's light siege cannons prove to be about as useful in this situation as the ones your Deci class ships. With their low rate of fire they're unable to contribute significantly to damage dealt to the nearest Heavy cruiser, though you suppose every little bit helps.

The assault corvettes and your other fast ships are able to get past without too much difficulty, evading LD plasma and heavy phase cannon fire.

They've barely made it past before they're engaged by enemy escorts. Your people respond with SP weapons, blasting through several of them to continue on. Some of Avun's people do the same, but not all of them have many SP's left.

The Outer Heaven and your remaining Battleships and Battlecruisers launch their SP's at the trailing Heavy. With the gravity well down they quickly change priority to trying to make a micro jump out for repairs.

"Torpedo volley away. Enemy is launching interceptor missiles and starfighters."

The helm puts the OH through a barrel roll and several other wild maneuvers to evade incoming plasma cannon fire. Whever shots do hit you impact on the reinforced forward shield. The gunnery crews are not at all appreciative but you tell Kaz to either stow it or find a way to knock out the enemy weapons.

Twenty or more of your SP's are taken out but enough get through to disable the aft plasma weapons and enough of the remaining sublight drives to prevent it from jumping. Two of the battleships abandon their towing attempts and flee, while the third one is largely disabled after being hit by a newer model torpedo.

"It's still not completely crippled sir."

"It doesn't need to be. Get in close and stick to the aft sections where they can't hit us!"

Your escort closes in, a few looking in rough shape, but still well enough to finish things. Shuttles, HLV's and FTL capable LSTs are detaching and using the hull for cover as they make their own escape.

Once close enough your crew lock tractor beams while continuing to batter down the remaining shields. Eko even rolls the ship enough for the ventral PPCDG to open up while you plasma cannons are recharging.

"Reynard to Marine forces, stand by for boarding assault."

It isn't long until their shields fail then the LSTs are away.

"Watch for signs of sabotage. We don't want them to destroy the ship."

For now it looks like the worst the crew are doing are jettisoning the fuel and weapons stores to prevent the ship from immediately going back into combat.
Maybourne has crews lock repulsors on the ejected heavy torpedo stores pushing them out of range. A good thing too as some had been set to detonate.

The other heavy cruiser you see has jumped out after taking some damage from the assault corvettes. They were unable to do serious damage to the gravity well before it escaped so that's one mission accomplished.

Your marines storm through the crippled ship, meeting minimal resistance. It looks like most of the power cell equipped troops that might have otherwise resisted you abandoned ship in the first wave.
Maybe they think they'll be needed elsewhere?

Should have stopped before midnight. Got to be up early.

Hoping to resume before noon tomorrow and we'll see what's happening with the rest of the battle now that the gravity well is down.

My ISP is supposed to be doing work on my internet tomorrow to change the speed of my lines. There is high probability of interruption to my internet as a result but I have no idea what time of the day they'll be here.

I had to book an entire day off work because they can't narrow it down to fucking morning or afternoon, just be here the WHOLE DAY to wait for the technician. And hope they don't turn off my current internet in the meantime.

This is why I was considering cancelling this week. Hopefully it won't fuck up and result in my internet being down the entire day.

You know, like the last time where it was down for two fucking weeks while in the middle of job searching.

See you tomorrow I hope!

>>49198596
So what you're saying tstg, is that we should bring the big Reynard to reality.

Also where the hell is the Kharbos fleet right now?

>>49198297
>No Chen
>No Mezan
>No Bevari

Gee, anon. That pleb taste.

>>49198586
Linda if anyone.

>>49199306
Yaaaay. Crashing the Fortress on Avoubic now probably means that they're linking back up with the elite troops we tried so hard to separate them from. Not to mention the Heavy Power cell Troops.

Guess we'll have to get help from our allies and that means sharing the fortress and less glory.

I'm sure our house is super thrilled with the consideration we show other houses even at cost to our own house.

>>49201054
>Crashing the Fortress on Avoubic

It hasn't crashed on the asteroid yet, and we don't know if Avoubic still has enough repulsors to keep it from doing so.

>Guess we'll have to get help from our allies and that means sharing the fortress and less glory.

I doubt J-D alone has enough troops to actually secure a ship of that size with most of our ground forces currently busy defending our planets.

>>49194823
>Choosing the copyright infringement heavy over the neeran horseshoe heavy

Just

I'd like to know just how many marines Sonia actually has under her direct control (only JD or others without capability to claim salvage). My guess is somewhere in the 5-20 thousand with infantry multiplying that by 5

TSTG, the colony the RH took over from Posat, close to Rioja. It was an alternative offered to Sonia when we got to pick one of the minor Posat colonies.

Has it been invaded? Did the RH ever do anything with it?

>>49201054
The fortress is doomed if it crashes on the planetoid. The crash will likely leave it a static fixture, meaning an easy target for the siege array, massed time-on-target torpedo attacks, and anything else we can throw at the thing. We'll effectively have them unable to retaliate to most forms of attack, and the curvature of the planetoid will basically give us easy containment of their forces as well. (try advancing when we have even a handful of warships that can come bombard your forces)

Not to mention that the sheer mass of that fortress is going to break all sorts of systems and crew, even a fender-bender type impact with the planetoid.

>>49201054
>Yaaaay. Crashing the Fortress on Avoubic now probably means that they're linking back up with the elite troops we tried so hard to separate them from. Not to mention the Heavy Power cell Troops.


That's a good thing. Having them grounded on the planetoid leaves them vulnerable to a siege situation where we have all the time in the world to hammer at them. Its better then these costly battles where we have no real answer to the fortress since our array is a glass cannon and slower(?) Then it.

I'm willing to trade Avoubic to finally get rid of this fortress. Any ships still in dock at Avoubic should vacate at best opportunity.

>>49202569
I was worried about that too but last thread TSTG pointed this out
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/49062423/#p49106592
So the station itself is probably going to be fine aside from the shield generators and weapons adjacent to the impact area.

>>49199384
>So what you're saying tstg, is that we should bring the big Reynard to reality.
Was trying to come up with 3 letter names to replace Zam but they just aren't working.

>Also where the hell is the Kharbos fleet right now?
Mostly split up. Some are helping to cover the Helios fleet, others are in 3 ship formations in the main melee.
The Pocket carriers are either back near the Array or helping with surface defense of Avoubic.

>>49201494
Will have to figure that out after the battle.

>>49201886
>TSTG, the colony the RH took over from Posat
>Has it been invaded?
Yes, if only to take stuff away from the Ruling House. There is some manufacturing there and intel believes they hope to take advantage of parts of the populace that hate the Ruling House or the Run Alliance.

>Did the RH ever do anything with it?
They had a few companies working to exploit the local population yes.

>>49203994
Big Ray?

>>49203994
>They had a few companies working to exploit the local population yes.

That's unfortunate. Would it be possible to get a post about how free ports work once this battle is over?

>>49202569
The Array has been stated to be faster than the fortress.

Just not the other elements of the fleet which outnumbered us.

>>49204081
You mean the Death Rey.

>>49204415
Anti-Bully Rey

Can we recover our troops from the first asteroid fortress? Maybr the enemy there has alredy surrendered, now that their fleet has run off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ9NOV3KNpY

Routed enemy forces are jumping out of the system left and right allowing the rest of your allied fleets to concentrate their firepower on the remainder.

The crippled heavy cruiser along with some of the elite units conduct a more orderly retreat to Avao Fortress. It looks like more damaged enemy ships unable to make longer jumps are rallying there. Others are setting out for it at sublight which might take them a few hours.

Arron sends you a message that he'd going to keep an eye on things there.

The Gravity well generator jumps back in system near to the Array not long after their escape. There are no immediate plans from the Barons for them to power it back up.

Remaining elements are trying their best to move to protect the Mobile Fortress but they're being picked off before they can reach it in numbers. Wide beam shots from the Array are causing enemy morale among the outer units to crumble. More are surrendering or breaking away from their formations.

You turn to Maybourne.
"Is the Fortress going to fall out orbit or not? Because if it is they're certainly taking all day."

"They're tying to stay up with their remaining sublight engines and repulsors but it looks like most of their power is being diverted to weapons and shields."

They're being pushed out of orbit by the fighting now. Their engines might be able to make the fall survivable enough to either salvage the Fortress or let their remaining ground troops on the surface retreat to it. Those that weren't nuked that is, and they would have been the closest.

A unit of assault corvettes from various Houses in the Run Alliance manage to reach the hole in the Forts shields. A strafing and torpedo run takes out several of the sublight engines while power failures momentarily drop the repulsors offline.

>cont.

Corvettes scatter and get out of the way as the Fortress drops to the surface of the planetoid. Aft sections hit first, the damaged areas crumpling further. The aft mounted siege cannons, made of tougher stuff than the fortress, rip free of their weapon mounts, punching through the inner hull sections and deep into the interior causing heavy damage.

Eventually it grinds to a halt leaving behind a deep furrow in Avoubic's surface.

While the forward shields are still up the Forbearance and Sam Bellamy are able to change course, keeping them out of the line of fire of the forts remaining siege weapons while continuing to bombard it.
"Several Medium cruisers are docking with the grounded Fortress. It looks like they're conducting evacuation efforts."

Count Nirium contacts you. "They're finished. Our ships can sit back and pummel them into oblivion. I'm inclined to offer them generous terms in the hopes that they'll surrender the remainder of the Fort intact. Their main armament alone is incredibly valuable."

You don't like where he's going with "generous terms" and ask for clarification.
"What terms did you have in mind exactly?"

"Allowing them to evacuate most personnel in return for leaving the fort intact. I'm confident at least two of the three would hold to their word if they gave it."

[ ] Tell them to surrender outright
[ ] Offer generous terms
[ ] Bring in troops and assault it ASAP
[ ] Other

>>49205842
They may be more inclined to surrender if we can bring the gravity well back online, preventing an easy escape?

>>49205842
Surrender outright.

They tried to Vekron us, I'm not indisposed to AM bombs being tunneled into the fort and set off if they refuse.

JD can't man this fortress and the Forbearance at the same time without having to mothball a large portion of her fleet, unless the manpower shortage has been completely erased by the merger with Erid(?). But that would mean taking experienced crew out of valuable ships to man the fort.

>>49206006
Possibly. The ships conducting the evacuation are fast and tough enough that some would still get away but it would mean they have less time to carry it out.

>>49206040
>unless the manpower shortage has been completely erased by the merger with Erid(?)
It has not. Things have gotten better but the recent battles will probably mean shortages in your area for some time.

>>49205842
Last time on H&D:
>The Duke seems to consider your words.
>"I was half prepared to dismiss your call as the last gasps of a defeated enemy, but some of those points have merit.
>Surrender all resources and personnel on Avoubic and we will allow your fleet to withdraw.
>Otherwise I shall give you and your House twenty seconds to strike your colours and jettison escape pods. In return I shall spare Forbearance. Mark."

I figure we're now in the position to offer a substantially similar deal. They surrender the fortress intact along with the ground troops on Avoubic and in return their ships get to leave. Time limited offer so if any Dukes don't want to be POWs they'd better start running to the shuttles.

>>49205842
[ ] Tell them to surrender outright
We are not offer invaders good terms and letting thousands of soldiers leave after wreaking so much of our infrastructure and killing so many of our own. Surround them so there is no escape and prepare to to lay it on them should they refuse to surrender. Those Dukes are not getting away.

Also I don't feel like trusting a word that comes out of their mouth considering their blatant disregard for the usage of Veckron weapons nor their alliance with an outsider terrorist organization bent of disrupting the Dominion as a whole.

No peace unless they give up. And if Nirium does not like it then to bad.

>>49206342
>generous terms
I'll consider this a vote for generous terms.

>>49206006
>>49206040
So bring up the grav well generator and tell them to surrender outright?

>>49206006
same poster

>>49206429
[x] Unconditional Surrender
[x] Or the head of the Duke that ordered the V-torp strike. Then we'll talk terms.

Their choice.

>>49206421
Me

>>49206429
>So bring up the grav well generator and tell them to surrender outright?
Supporting. They are not escaping this one.

>>49206040
Me
>>49206429
Might as well, it would force those ships still fighting to choose between the fortress or escape if the well came back on.

Send out ships to likely locations for enemy receiver ships that are out system or at the edge of the system. Tighten the noose on those that are committed to staying.

This is the defeat in detail scenario we excel at now that we've isolated the fortress and they have (to our knowledge) no sizeable reserve.

I'm not to keen on launching a boarding operation in case they decide to use the fort as bait and blow it when our ships are near or a significant amount of assets are on board.


Update on the marines we left on the other fort? How is their delaying action going. Do they have a foothold secured so we can land additional reinforcements?

In the event we do board we should bring the army in to supplement our Marines and to flood the fortress and the other planetoid

>>49205842
I'm okay with these terms. We can trade our piece of the fort for other salvage.

internet being worked on atm

>>49207020
Sorry I actually lost internet for a bit before I was able to post that.


>>49206509
>Or the head of the Duke that ordered the V-torp strike. Then we'll talk terms.
Unfortunately for them the three agreed before the invasion that they would share responsibility for any controversial actions.

>>49206648
>Update on the marines we left on the other fort? How is their delaying action going.
Using locally manufactured vehicles and heavy weapopns they've been able to halt the enemy advance into the rest of Avao. Incursions into the habitation blocks were isolated and cut off. They're unable to counterattack due to damage to the interior sections connecting to the main docks. In time they'll be able to clear them.
Special forces have been able to conduct minor raids through ducting connecting parts of the interior but this isn't sufficient to let them retake the main docks. There are signs that the enemy are preparing to pull out.

>Do they have a foothold secured so we can land additional reinforcements?
The port where their HLV's are docked has been bombarded and blocked with rubble. The ships are still intact. It would take time to clear to allow troops to come or go but it's certainly possible.

Engineers are widening routes to the reserve dock to allow any additional reinforcements to quickly move into the station.

>>49207599
>Unfortunately for them the three agreed before the invasion that they would share responsibility for any controversial actions.

I'm not really in favor of that either.

>Other
Can we open negotiations with them at least? Do they have anybody sensible we can talk to? Can our talented diplomat talk to their talented diplomat.

>>49205842
>[x] Tell them to surrender outright

>>49205842
>[X] Offer generous terms
"Generous"

Powering up the gravity well once more quickly causes a second rout. Forces that had hoped to buy time for the evacuation of the Mobile Fortress break from combat and begin to micro jump out.

The House Karbos battleship forces converge on the remaining Heavy Carriers still in system. They're able to cripple one of the converted Ceres Tugs in short order. The Helios fleet meanwhile tries to take down one of the remaining Talos Carriers and elements continue to pursue after they jump.

Earl Tarse-enic attempts to convince the rest of the fleet not to pursue enemy units leaving the system until after there has been time to take stock of damage and losses.

"We can't split up now only to let them try to defeat us group by group. Stay in system until the battle is concluded."

Once the gravity well has returned to full strength you begin broadcasting demands that all enemy forces surrender.

Siege weapon fire from the remaining guns on the crashed Fortress are able to clear enough of an opening for last minute stragglers to make a run for it. A half dozen new model Shukhant class ships tow the remaining shield platforms with them for added protection.

Assault transports and LSTs from your side begin making runs to put marines aboard before the enemy can attempt to self destruct.

Surrender doesn't take as long as you might have expected. The Forts captain informs you that the fleet's senior officers have fled, though it probably won't do them much good. A demotion would probably be the least of their worries should they return to their Houses and they can't expect a prisoner exchange if captured.

"We're surrendering in the interests of seeing assistance and medical aid for our wounded and those trapped in the damaged sections."

"Where are the so called three Dukes now?" you demand to know.

"Two left aboard ships with their best troops, the last used an emergency teleporter."

>Cont.

There's a short conference held over coms with the other allied fleet commanders. While some want to get a few salvage teams into the fortress just after the first wave of marines to help with recovery efforts others want to wait.

Garn Erid reluctantly takes the lead in this.
"It's an unpleasant thing to contemplate but I think we should focus all of our emergency recovery efforts on rescuing our own people rather than trying to get trapped crews out of that fortress."

[ ] Save them for our own people
[ ] Get some recovery teams into the Fortress ASAP
[ ] Explore other alternatives

>>49208308
>[ ] Explore other alternatives
What about the enemy ships who have already surrendered? They should have damage control teams available. Even the boarding teams who have surrendered should be trained for basic S&R. The forces on the smaller asteroid fortress might be another option, it could even add some incentive to surrender quickly if they want to help save their comrades.

Even if we have to provide some of our people to coordinate and help with the more complicated rescue operations, it should cut down the numbers we'd have to tie up for this considerably.

>>49208308
[x] Explore other alternatives

Can we use recovered enemy engineers/mechanics from the battle, and minimize our teams deployed? Marines will need to be aboard anyway, but we can always increase our marine numbers to compensate.


More important than more hands is likely more shifts, anyway. Make them sign contracts that they won't sabotage the fort and give them a (low) bit of pay, provided they stick to the contract.

Rescue their buddies, Get some pay to keep/use during captivity, and generally secure a better standing with their captors.

In the end, we're all Dominion, and we're all going to have to fight the Neeran or other Factions soon enough...

>>49208308
>[x] Explore other alternatives
Maybe RSS has an idea/experience that can be put to use here?

>>49208437
>What about the enemy ships who have already surrendered? They should have damage control teams available.
>>49208537
>Can we use recovered enemy engineers/mechanics from the battle, and minimize our teams deployed?

"Do you think we can really trust them? Most damage control teams are trained to help resist boarding actions. They'll be almost as good as our regular infantry in a firefight if they get loose."

"Make them wear explosive collars." suggests Baron Kadnil.

You put forward the idea of simply putting them on contract.

Baron Kelly can hardly believe what you're saying.
"You want to pay enemy troops? Are you serious? I never thought I'd hear anything like that from you Reynard."

"We don't have to." says Usela. "We can charge the enemy for it after the civil war under emergency services billing. If they try to refuse to the information can be leaked to the media. It would cause serious disruption to their public works and wouldn't even matter which side won the civil war."

Fadila confirms that while obscure it's legally solid within Dominion law. It seems all those years penny pinching for House Possat have paid off somewhat for the Baron.

[ ] Contract. Charge the enemy for rescue work
[ ] Explosive collars
[ ] Both
[ ] None of the above / only use people you trust

>>49208308
It's going to tak days to search through the fortress, so perhaps we can find volunteers among the abandoned enemy ground troops as well. I'm sure there are some people with suitable training. among them.

>>49208956
>[ ] Contract. Charge the enemy for rescue work

>>49208956
[X] Contract. Charge the enemy for rescue work

Be sure to add a clause that doesn't nullify, but transfers any earnings if any of them take up arms in violation of the contract. Wouldn't want to lose the ability to bill them later...

>>49208956
Go with the contract. If they start shit, it'll mostly hurt the crew stuck on the fortress. If we remind them of that, I doubt they'll try anything too stupid.

[Spoiler]usela a best[/spoiler]

>>49208956
>[x] Offer them the choice.

Some of the Generals set aside troops to establishing and guarding SAR teams using captured enemy personnel. These damage control teams will of course be made up of volunteers from those captured. You're not forcing them to do anything, but you're making it clear that the less of them help out, the more of their comrades will probably die trapped in the wreckage.

Any available RSS personnel will help to try and oversee efforts to make sure they don't intentionally damage vital systems while cutting through to rescue people.

The last enemy ships in close proximity to Avoubic have been chased off or have surrendered. Units have begun to form up and establish a perimeter while towing damaged vessels in to dock.

To your surprise a Krath Battlecruiser decloaks just inside the edge of the gravity well.

"We're being hailed. It's Eldal."
You haven't seen him since before the start of the invasion. He just sort of disappeared and you'd been too overworked to really go looking for people you hadn't run into in awhile.

The Krath agent appears on screen. "I'm relieved you've survived the battle. I'm sorry I've been absent lately but I was needed elsewhere."

You're just glad nothing bad happened to him with the invasion or the Nav station going down.

"My government wishes to send teams to inspect the Nasidum Super Capital for certain equipment or personnel that would be best kept out of the Dominion's Civil War. We're prepared to compensate you and your allies to let us remove what we find without additional inquiry."

You frown. "That's vague even for you."

"We're willing to pay in Veckron weaponry to keep questions to a minimum."

[ ] "Well okay then."
[ ] Recommend this deal to your allies
[ ] Allied Houses try to negotiate for a better deal
[ ] "I'm sorry, we can't let anything like that go without knowing about it."
[ ] Other

>>49209425
>certain equipment or personnel that would be best kept out of the Dominion's Civil War.
I'm inclined to let Eldal do what he needs to, since I doubt he'd willingly act maliciously against us, but I would definitely like to know exactly what they're looking for and what they want.

It's going to be a stretch and not look good for the House, since we've already just let the Alliance waltz in and take the Nanotech, AND they weren't being on the level with us about it by concealing their discoveries.

>>49209425
>[ ] "I'm sorry, we can't let anything like that go without knowing about it."

Nasidium had it in civil war, so can we.

>>49209425
>other

Their crew helps out with the rescue effort.
He gets to secure the people and equipment but they are returned in pristine condition once the civil war is over. (Can we trust them to keep that deal?)

>>49209425

is he talking about the mobile fortress by "Super Capital"?

Can he give any information on what level personnel he is looking for? Nobility? Tech Specialists?


... how many Veckron weapons, what model/launcher, and what in the Factions could possibly call for someone to give the DOMINION of all Factions Veckron torpedoes?

Aren't those things needed on the front?

>>49209425
>[ ] Allied Houses try to negotiate for a better deal

>>49209425
>"We're willing to pay in Veckron weaponry to keep questions to a minimum."
Offering this right from the first moment tells me one thing. This thing is extremely valuable to them. My best guess is that it's something related to the Krath themselves as a life form. Alternatively some form of Neeran Tech. Whatever it is Veckron weapons aren't all that valuable considering they sort of ruin everything. I'd much rather have something else. Like the secret support of the Krath as they help us against our enemies.

[ ] Allied Houses try to negotiate for a better deal

>>49209425
>[ ] "Well okay then, give me a few minutes to convince my allies"
>[ ] Recommend this deal to your allies
We have our own doom projects and their costs/time, lets cut our krath friends a break and keep them happy. While also trying to avoid stepping on the toes of our allies.

>>49209841
>>49209809
Oh and maybe push for something of equal value to Veckron weaponry, after all while potent something tells me they'll be sitting in their silos, and against the Neeran (the only people we'd really consider using them against at this point) the FA has always provided. If they're willing to give us V weapons they must be willing to get us alot of other stuff, and our forces and planets were just put through the tumbler.

>>49209884
Sorry that probably wasn't clear, see if we can get mundane resources, weapons, and building/station components.

>>49209425
After whatever we decide on ask him his critiques of this battle/campaign. "So watcha' think?"

>>49209425
I'm not really sure how to feel about this. Will we get the stuff they take back later? Wouldn't several shipments of sp torps be more useful?

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>>49209516
>AND they weren't being on the level with us about it by concealing their discoveries.
At least the Krath are being up front about not wanting you to know shit.

>>49209537
>but they are returned in pristine condition once the civil war is over.
That's probably not going to be possible.

>>49209634
>is he talking about the mobile fortress by "Super Capital"?
Yes.

>Can he give any information on what level personnel he is looking for? Nobility? Tech Specialists?
Not at this time.

>how many Veckron weapons,
Each of the Houses that could conceivably have a claim on the Fortress would get at minimum one warhead. Almost certainly more. The number is far more negotiable than the information on what they're looking for.

>what model/launcher, and what in the Factions could possibly call for someone to give the DOMINION of all Factions Veckron torpedoes?
Krath produced model roughly analogous in yield to the Terran Mark 6 or the Republic/Rovinar disposable launcher version. They're compatible with any Alliance Veckron Launcher type including those used by the Dominion.

>Aren't those things needed on the front?
They are, but not as much as you might think what with the resulting damage to subspace they cause.

>>49209809
>>49209661
>>49209532
"You have an office secured against listening devices don't you?" asks Eldal.

You do aboard the Devourer. The Outer Heaven was scheduled to get one but you were a little tight on funds after helping pay for the fleet.

"If its necessary to negotiate or discuss further it should be done there."

Who do you intend to include in the negotiations? You can't take everyone since some are needed to look after the fleet. The less the better.

Fadila Saqqaf (J-D Negotiator / Ambassador)

Count Nirium (Ruling House)
Baron Usela (RH)

Earl Tarse-enic (Ber'helum)
Ambassador Fauh'teth (Helios)
Baron Kadnil (House Kadnil)
Baron Kári Darrow (House Phobos)
Baron Mevc Laudium (House Laudium)


Bernard Foss (SRL Mercenary)

>Nobody wants to even find out what it is

This is why Svidur died, and why we're not on the Dyson Sphere, and why we don't have Freezeray cooled Super Dominion Plasma Cannons

>>49209993
I'd say one each from the Helios Smuggler's run, Ber'helum and RH camp so nobody can claim that they're getting screwed.

>>49209993
Can Eldal offer a minor bribe to those not included in the talks?

I'd. Suggest we bring one official from the RH, ber'helum, Helios, and 1 other from the unaligned minor houses. Maybe Fadila because Sonia is Sonia.

>>49209993
Fadila Saqqaf (J-D Negotiator / Ambassador)
Count Nirium (Ruling House)
Earl Tarse-enic (Ber'helum)
Ambassador Fauh'teth (Helios)

One each from the big 3 along with Sonia and our trusty Fadila. That should ensure no one feels left out and get sulky about this whole thing. While Foss did help out a lot he technically goes under JD due to him being hired by us so. Which is why I did not choose to involve him.

>>49209993
>negotiations
Didn't one of our knights want a cloaked medium cruiser? These guys should be one of the few parties capable of providing one.

>>49210035
>>49210119
With the big 3 you could ask the top people themselves or trusted a trusted aide if you want so that the fleet isn't as leaderless.

>>49210249
So Sonia/ Fadila would represent the interests of the Run Alliance in this case?

>>49210376
Essentially. A trusted representative of each of the Big Four seems the best way to handle this.

>>49210376
Does the Run Alliance even have a claim on the Fortress?

>>49210376
If we act as representatives for the run alliance, we should ask what our allies need or want. A v torp isn't that useful for any of us.

And don't forget to ask Foss as well.

>>49210439
J-D does and it's part of the Run Alliance. That and you have to live with these people and they'll be pissed if you just exclude them. Which has been a concern of some since you took up residence on Rioja.

They contributed everything they had to this battle so snubbing them needlessly would be a bad idea.
Unless you want to pull a King Richard and throw their flags from the metaphorical ramparts of Acre.

>A v torp isn't that useful for any of us.
True, but it can be traded to the Major Houses for equipment or concessions.
You still ask your allies to send Fadila a list.

>Cont.

Trusted representatives will be sent except in the case of Earl Tarse-enic. Seeing an opportunity to get ahead of the Ruling House he's attending in person.

"I hope this is worth the bother Reynard."
You do also.

Your little group sits down with Eldal and you activate the electronic countermeasures.

"So what is it you want from us exactly?" the Earl immediately asks.

Eldal isn't used to negotiation you think but he must have been briefed heavily before this.

"While the other Faction governments have publicly declared their position about the Dominion's Civil War one way or another The Krath Union has not. We have merely increased security in some areas as we have minimal direct trade with the other Factions. A fact the Rovinar are all too happy about at times.
It is the position of our government that while we do not wish to take sides in your Factions affairs we can not always sit idly by when the Dominion is threatened with destruction. The assets we would like to secure from the Mobile Fortress, if present, pose a threat to the survival of your entire Faction. Information will be released to you at a later time though I do not know when."

"And when do we get them back?" asks the Ruling House representative.

"We would not be returning any of the assets or personnel we take, but rest assured we're not interested in anyone from your Houses. Hence why our offer of payment is so high.
We're offering twelve Veckron Warheads in return. If you desire more, how many or their equivalent value in other goods would it take to keep questions to a minimum?"

>>49211184
>twelve Veckron Warheads
I don't know about you guys but I'd actually like a whole load of rebuilding funds, equipment, and assistance that we can spread out, or else I feel like the Run Alliance will be a lot less stable and incredibly more prone to infighting.

Would asking for Krath cloaks be too cheeky?

I guess as a personal request we could ask for any information on the non-factions, non-Neeran groups, since they were mentioned to be implicit in the Nanite attack. Or just help in tracking down those responsible.

We could also ask them to build the Super Spacefucker Veckron we have the plans for.

>>49211430
I'd rather follow our Earl's lead on this negotiation, since we've decided to call upon reps for the Dominion here. I think Eldal was hoping we'd just jump with him into another adventure, which makes me blush a bit.

>>49211184
"Lets say 18 Veckron Weapons will make our houses remarkably forgetful."

>>49211184
20 000 Shield Piercing Torpedoes.

Krath Union public vocal support of our side in the conflict.

Subtle assistance by Krath forces in the coming invasion of DRH2

Pressure from the Krath on the FA to stop interfering in inter Factions politics and return what they have stolen

X amount of Kraths operators attached to each House.

Tech? What kind of nice tech do the Krath have that the Dominion could use?

>>49211515
>>49211184
This. Lets not get insane with our offers

>>49211639
Let's high-ball it and then have them argue down, Anon. That's basic negotiation tactics. We have to know how big they're willing to go.

>>49211184
I think we probably lost a decent portion of Recon troops, yes? Is there any chance the Krath make a more advanced set or Recon armor they'd be willing to divulge?

>>49211430
>a whole load of rebuilding funds, equipment, and assistance that we can spread out
Possible.
>Would asking for Krath cloaks be too cheeky?
Their starship grade FTL scattering cloak systems are not for sale at any price.
Personal holographics certainly are.

>ask for any information on the non-factions, non-Neeran groups, since they were mentioned to be implicit in the Nanite attack.
"Sorry. I knew you'd ask about that but my superiors don't want me commenting on Alliance investigations."

>>49211597
>20 000 Shield Piercing Torpedoes.
The Krath do not produce their own SP Torpedoes and it would be much more difficult for them to get the Terran Warheads than it would be for the Rovinar or the Alliance.

>Krath Union public vocal support of our side in the conflict.
Which would draw more attention.

>Subtle assistance by Krath forces in the coming invasion of DRH2
Possible. You may have a different definition of subtle than I do though based on your other suggestions.

>Tech?
They could provide better quality e-beams than you can buy from the Rovinar. While it would technically be harder to detect these when firing from your cloaked ships the extra damage means that groups of enemy ships would have a clear indication of what general direction it came from.

>>49211706
>Is there any chance the Krath make a more advanced set or Recon armor they'd be willing to divulge?
They don't have armor that would fit any of you... yet.
They can provide more advanced camo systems for recon armor.

>>49211945
>Possible. You may have a different definition of subtle than I do though based on your other suggestions.

Assassination. Sabotage. Demoralization actions. Piracy with stealth ships. Theft. Etc. Anything to soften the Relay before we invade it from our end.

>The Krath do not produce their own SP Torpedoes and it would be much more difficult for them to get the Terran Warheads than it would be for the Rovinar or the Alliance.
Well that's their problem if anything. I just would really like a big fat batch of SP's over Veckron Torpedoes.

I don't suppose they would be willing to help us by supporting funds and scientist in order to complete certain research projects we have in the backlog?

>>49211515
>18 Veckron Weapons
2 votes for that.

>>49211706
>We have to know how big they're willing to go.
Fadila passes you a written note after a few suggestions.

It reads:
>Eldal looks really anxious about these negotiations
>He might be willing to go above 30 but he'll probably get in trouble with his government.

>>49212107
>Well that's their problem if anything.
It's also yours. If you insist on SP's you'll only be able to get half the amount you would be able to for the same value from other sources.

>supporting funds and scientist in order to complete certain research projects we have in the backlog?
It depends on the project really. Their tech tree is actually surprisingly limited. They're insanely ahead in some aspects but far behind in others.


Value wise how much are you guys interested in asking for? What you actually get can be decided after, we're just going for value right now.

[ ] 12x Veckron Weapons
[ ] 16x
[ ] 18x
[ ] 22x
[ ] 24x
[ ] 30 or greater

>>49211945
>They don't have armor that would fit any of you... yet.
>They can provide more advanced camo systems for recon armor.
Sounds nice, I'm sure the Recon guys would appreciate it after we asked them to literally sabotage an entire small moon fortress.

To be honest, I'm happy with whatever we get. Victory Torpedos, Rebuild aid, Cloak/Holocamo upgrades, Intel support, it's all good.

>>49212226
>[ ] 24x
Much as we like our favorite Krath I am not going to let that interfere with the House and our Allies benefiting from this as much as they can.

>>49212226
>[ ] 24x

>>49212226
>[X] 22x

>>49212226
>[x] 22x

>>49212272
>>49212285
>>49212410
>>49212477
Tiebreaker anyone?

>>49212827
24

You're split on asking for 22 or 24 V-torps so Tarse-enic decides to go for broke and ask for 24.

Eldal reluctantly agrees but wants to be absolutely certain there will be no other questions.

"I believe we can safely tell our troops that it is above their pay grade." Fadila answers.

Not everyone will be happy with this of course, there's always someone, but that can be kept under control with the hefty payment/bribe you've been offered.

How do you want to divide up the loot?

Veckron Weapons (max 2)

Funding
Industry / Station modules
Krath special assistance (Spec ops missions, Covert Fleet relocation)
Krath E-beams
IOU for future Krath armor
New Holographic Camo systems
R&D Support (Limited)

>>49213024
>Funding
>Industry / Station modules
>Krath special assistance (Spec ops missions, Covert Fleet Relocation)
>New Holographic Camo systems

>>49213024
Veckron - 2
Funding
R&D Support
Krath Special Assistance

>>49213078
I should note on this that the Veckron can be sold to one of the Major Houses for more funding / etc etc to split with the run alliance.

>>49213024
I V-torp, Funding, and Industry / Station modules

>>49213024
Funding
Industry / Station modules
IOU for future Krath armor
New Holographic Camo systems

>>49213024
actually which is financially better, taking the Veckron torps and selling them to one of the big seven/black market or the value they're willing to pay? I remember a single vecron being worth a billion in the black market.

>>49213540
>I remember a single vecron being worth a billion in the black market.
The price of them on the black market has gone up between use in the war and operations to catch those selling them. They're nearly impossible to get hold of now but people are only willing to pay so much more since there's always a slight chance of salvaged warheads being a dud.

You could probably wait and sell one to one of the majors at a higher than black market amount since they'll know you have a good one.

It's worth more in some ways and less in others.

>>49213024
> Krath special assistance (Spec ops missions, Covert Fleet relocation)
>IOU for future Krath armor
>R&D Support (Limited)
> 1 Vecky-wecky

Funding and Industry/Station Modules can be recouped when we win the civil war.

E-beams are < AM torpedoes for our stealth ships. Holographic sensors are pretty meh as well. Unless we're being given the ability to manufacture them on our own, in which case I would be tempted to sacrifice the Veckron torpedo for them.

Krath special assistance would be massively useful for the current situation though, especially covert fleet relocation so that we can raid our little hearts out and recoup losses immediately.

Future Krath Armor will go a long way to shoring up our simple lack of troops, and increasing the effectiveness of our SF who we use all the damn time.

R&D Support is the most important one though. The limited nature is less important than the fact that it will mean regular and consistent contact with the Krath, who are isolated and stigmatized by most factions. This is an opportunity to build close relations with them, especially since they seem to be chafing under their relationship with the Rovinar.

>>49213024
> 2 Veckrons

> R&D Support (Limited)

> IOU for future Krath armor

I just want to see Ferigold the Fat's Fucking Face when we tell him we have two V-torps for him to shift.

I was probably unclear again. The total max payment to your House is 2 V-torps.
Other stuff would be taken in place of one or more of those torpedoes.

We're clearly getting some funding and Industry / Station modules for starters. I'll be adding those to a survey which will be posted at the end of the game to see what else people might like.

The main shields around Avoubic have been lowered to allow more ships to dock in the underground yards for repairs. Your Heavy Cruisers and Carriers have been rotating through the more lightly damaged ships they can quickly patch up and get back into the field.

Enemy ships are still massing around Avao Fortress but it looks like they're just doing quick repairs to FTL systems there.

Of the groups of ships that fled the system in a disorganized panic most have fled to colony worlds in the Run that they have nominal control over.

Two of the more organized fleet groups have fled to the Forbearance yard and towards Csontos. You're not sure what they're up to but it cant be good. Also worrying is that the many of the Aries forces you expected to reinforce the enemy failed to materialise.

Defending the salvage field around Avoubic is too important at this point to split up the fleet right now. You could safely send a strong force against one other location without worrying about either being overwhelmed.

[ ] Avao Fortress
[ ] Forbearance Station
[ ] Csontos
[ ] Aries nav station
[ ] Split off small hit and run units instead. Harass several

>>49214267
>[ ] Forbearance Station
Send a cloaked unit to Csontos and the Nav station

>>49214356
Seconded. We have the stealth advantage and therefore the intel advantage.

>>49214267
>[ ] Split off small hit and run units instead. Harass several

Ideally this will let us keep them from linking back up easily as well as providing more warning of what's going on.

They shouldn't have many heavy asset left, right?

>>49214402
I believe they have two or three Talos Carriers and a pair of heavy cruisers left.

>>49214267
[x] Avao Fortress

If we can secure this system, it will aid in our salvage efforts and we won't have an enemy stronghold threatening our salvage and repair efforts.

>>49214356
This

>>49214267
> [ ] Avao Fortress

Finish up here first, then like >>49214571 said we can move more of our fleet.

>>49214402
>They shouldn't have many heavy asset left, right?

They actually have five Heavies left that are operational.

Boli class Heavy Cruiser - Contact lost. Last seen headed out of Run

Ascendancy “cigarillo” - crippled. Currently at Avao
Ascendancy - Fleeing with routed forces

Talos - Forbearance station (Organised force)
Talos - Csontos (Organised force)

Intel now believes that the least damaged Ascendancy and the Boli are near or headed for the Nav station to the DRH 2 Relay.

>Out of action:
Ceres/Bonrah Carrier - Crippled (Surrendered)
Ascendancy - Gutted by Array, SP strikes and friendly fire during IFF confusion.
Talos - Gutted by pursuing Helios fleet after fleeing system.

>>49214690
>Boli class Heavy Cruiser - Contact lost. Last seen headed out of Run
Didn't we beat the crap out of this one with a superheavy drive by?

>>49214690
So yeah, nothing that we can't really overwhelm with a concerted force.

I say we hit Avao with everything we have right away since it's so close to where our Salvage is, and since the Heavy Carriers are going to be a bitch go on to Forbearance I guess.

Cancel the vote for small hit and runs.

>>49214727
No? You did damaged it earlier in the invasion.

Any chance you're thinking of the Ceres/Bonrah Carrier that your super heavies blew the shit out of near the old FOB?

Alright, Avao Fortress it is.

Do you want to Jump the Array with its shield platforms and Heavy Cruiser escorts into position to bombard the forces gathered there?
Or would you rather Forbearance and the Sam Bellamy get some more mass fire gunnery practice?

[ ] Array with strong escort
[ ] Forbearance / Sam Bellamy with their escorts
[ ] Helios fleet backed up by Avun & Sonia

>>49214856
>[ ] Forbearance / Sam Bellamy with their escorts
Maybe bring our Inderdictor Cruiser along for the ride

>>49214856
>[ ] Forbearance / Sam Bellamy with their escorts
I think the Array needs a break but I could be wrong.

>>49214856
>Alright, Avao Fortress it is.
Uh, currently tied for Forberance and Avo.

>>49214856
[x] Forbearance / Sam Bellamy with their escorts

Our allies probably need some time to get their siege weapons inspected and minor repairs done to the power systems.

Plus, we do need to snag a bit more salvage...

>>49214965
Oh. Didn't see that second post linking another anons post ...shit! there was actually 3 for Forbearance!
Thank you anon.

Okay, we're headed to Forbearance station instead it looks like. You may want the Supers or the Helios group since they'll be able to get there a little quicker than the array in this case.

>>49214974
>>49214919
>>49214893
And it looks like you're taking the Supers in.

Roll 10d20 for gunnery!

Rolled 10, 14, 3, 11, 9, 9, 16, 12, 12, 9 = 105 (10d20)

>>49215128

Rolled 4, 12, 16, 13, 12, 1, 16, 11, 9, 20 = 114 (10d20)

>>49215128

Rolled 7, 11, 4, 5, 14, 13, 20, 6, 11, 18 = 109 (10d20)

>>49215128

Target practice, ho!

Rolled 13, 1, 4, 12, 2, 16, 9, 2, 20, 19 = 98 (10d20)

>>49215128
Rollin Thunder

how decidedly average

The fleet is able to maintain long range coms with a few relay ships and you get a good view of the battle. Both Super Heavies drop out in the usual spot and immediately open fire with point defense to shoot down an incoming wave of torpedoes. It seems the enemy anticipated their arrival.

Weapons on hastily assembled platforms try to provide covering fire to the Heavy Carrier. It looks like they were trying to load up manufacturing blocks used for defense platform construction. The others aren't looking in great shape.

The siege weapons don't take long to weigh in, every one of the big guns managing to land a hit. Beams from two of them punch through the now overwhelmed shields scoring critical hits to the sublight drives.

They still try to get clear, abandoning the manufacturing blocks in the process and using them as shields.

Escorts from both fleets tear into each other and Foss orders both Supers to power up their afterburners to stay with the Carrier. The crew of the Talos class pushes their remaining engines while trying to avoid more fire. If they'd been slightly farther away, or equipped with additional drives like Avun's ship it might have been enough to slip away, even if only temporarily.

Another barrage, this time carefully aimed to avoid damage to the shipyards slams into the aft shields of the heavy. A few more shots get through impacting the dorsal hull then finally one of the starboard engines. After that Forbearance begins to get close enough to lock tractor beams.

A futile attempt is made to come about and bring heavier weapons to bear but that's it. The Admiral in command soon signals their surrender.

In the fierce fighting many of the escort ships on both sides were lost or badly damaged. While your Supers are nearly unscathed it will be a few hours before you can safely deploy another force to chase down the remaining enemy fleets.

Or at least the Admirals all feel that way.

>>49215554
Nice. Time to salvage , SAR, gather our intel and prep the next plan. Teach these nerds to mess with people that like mega weapons.

>>49215554
Alright so all mediums and smaller that do not require extensive repair or that can be repaired within 24 hours reorganize into raiding groups of two wings each and spread out over possible escape vectors. Anything that resembles enemy supplies or repair facilities should be taken.

>>49215554
Can we pull in the RSS heavy to speed up field repairs?

Some of the attack units have been rested and repaired enough to deploy as skirmishers, though their numbers will remain low for now. The Helios and Kharbos fleets are now acting in the role of a mobile reserve that can rush to aid any of your allies that get into a bad situation.

A Baron commanding the enemy forces at Avao Fortress hails the fleet.

They wish to discuss terms for the withdrawl of their forces from the system.

"If you do not hinder our evacuation efforts from the asteroid we will not seek to cause any additional damage to Avao. I would rather not further endanger the Civilians there."

Do you think your side should agree to these terms? Or would you rather risk launching an attack with your remaining reserves?

>>49215672
Ask Avun if we can form any additional distension in the ranks

>>49215672
Push the troops a bit and get the top 10% of the ships that weren't yet included in our raiding forces to join up.
Maintain siege while very publicly asking the enemy forces to not cause undue civilian casualties.

>>49215672
"Terms can be negotiated, but your commanders chose to deploy a Veckron weapon in this system. You will pay a toll in equipment or blood to evacuate, which do you choose?"

>>49215672
Give them a tight timeline

>>49215734
>>49215798
I can get behind these. Public shaming of Veckron attempt is required.

>>49215714
"I don't know, they are already broken. It might actually be a good idea to let these ones go. It might be enough to hurt morale through the rest of their fleet."

"Or it might net them a few hot blooded young men and women who want revenge on us." says Vanderwal who shrugs when you look at him.
"Just pointing out the possibility."

>>49215734
Add more of the lesser damaged ships to the skirmishing forces harassing Avao.

>>49215798
>>49215814
A tight timeline could force them to "pay that toll" as it were.
Make the Veckron attack the reason for it.

Sound good?

>>49215912
yup

>>49215912
Works for me

>>49215912
If we do a tight timeline, we should pull a Winifred.

Guarantee them an evac from the asteroid, then have Kharbos/Helios forces attack them out-of-system.

So long as we give them safe passage from the asteroid to the system edge and don't promise a full transit where ever they go, we're not breaking our word, and Kharbos doesn't have to be a party to the agreement.


Everything we let go does end up fighting us or our allies later...

Stopping here for the night. Will resume in the morning then run until I need to leave for work after 3PM.

>>49215912
Grant them safe passage to Terrain space. That will get those ships out of our hair for the duration of the civil war.

>>49213024
I really think 24 ie too much. I'd prefer to maintain good relations with these guys instead of short term equipment gains.

>>49211945
No medium stealth cruiser for kim?

>>49215912
Supporting granting them passage to Terran Space and service in the FA, otherwise doing >>49216002

>>49215912
Oooooooh, let's offer them surety if they can give up the location of one of the Barons.

>>49216218
>>49216509

guy wanting to have Kharbos jump them here.

How would we ensure they don't just raid the shit out of the rear areas? We'd have to send an escort with them and then monitor their group's jump until they're at least too far to turn back?


Plus I have no idea what the current sector map looks like. Still a ton of threads behind. Isn't Bonrah still by the Nav Station to Terran Space?

>>49216773
Well, we could force them to agree to letting us disable all their weapon systems.

Personally, I would like to act as if their declaration was a threat to the civilians of Avao. I mean, we have no intention of attacking civilians. So are they saying that they plan on executing them if we don't let them go?

Because we should really remind them of how we reacted when their commanders tried that shit by firing a Veckron Torpedo in the run.

Where do they stand now? Their fortress crashed and lost while the Barons fled in disgrace, and their fleet scattered. The V-torp ship destroyed. Their heavy fleet elements reduced and damaged. The more moral members of their fleet forced to take a stand against them.

He better think really, really fucking hard about threatening the people we've promised to protect. Because we don't leave threats behind to come back and harm then later.

Then use that as either the reason for forcing him to go to Terran space to sit out the war, or for us to focus our entire force on Avao and wreck them as thoroughly as we have the greater fleet. We can always Grav Well + Array to hit their Heavy Cruiser.

>>49216773
The deal they're offering is to just leave Avao, so it's pretty much guaranteed that they would link up with other forces from their fleet or yes, exactly what you said start raiding the shit out of us.

Honestly these guys suck at negotiations.

Which is why we would agree to let them leave, then jump them the second they're out the door.

>>49211184
>Information will be released to you at a later time though I do not know when.

Can we put a limit on this? Like 10-25 years?

>We would not be returning any of the assets or personnel we take

Is it possible to get the personnel back with a limited mind wipe? The Krath are supposed to be pretty good at that.

Mainly because even if the people the Krath want were with the enemy, I still don't want to sell citizens of the Dominion to foreign powers.

>>49213024
>Industry / Station modules
>Krath special assistance (Spec ops missions, Covert Fleet relocation)
>Krath E-beams
>IOU for future Krath armor
>New Holographic Camo systems

Maybe 1 Veckron torpedo if the House really wants it. We should simply wait with half of our stuff until we can safely contact the rest of our House.

>ask for 24
>Eldal reluctantly agrees

Stop bullying Eldal. Is this going to cause problems for him?

>>49216218
>>49216509

I'm okay with the Terran space thing.

>>49216218
>How would we ensure they don't just raid the shit out of the rear areas?

We could come up with an agreement that has them jump in smaller groups. Or have them stay around Avao until we can spare the ships to escort them properly.

>Still a ton of threads behind. Isn't Bonrah still by the Nav Station to Terran Space?

No, Bonrah had no territory left before this invasion except for 2 planets under blockade. They had no other assets left in the area as far as we know.

>>49216894

He's probably just saying that combat in space in close proximity to and on an inhabited asteroid is probably not good for the civilians living there. Which is unsurprisingly true.

>>49216976
Buddy should have been more precise with his words. Even if we know what he means, faking taking offense sends a message that we don't trust his side given the actions of his commanders and gives us cause to push for more stringent terms, or might prick whatever sense of honour he has.

As for our deal with Eldal, business is business. We're making deals that affect not just our houses, but the entire Dominion here, we have to get fucking PAID for that shit.

He didn't even try to negotiate us down, which is always a sign that you didn't ask for enough.

>>49217092
>faking taking offense sends a message

It's simply getting annoying at this point. Being upset about everything and then attacking will just result in nobody talking to us any more.

>As for our deal with Eldal, business is business.

It's not worth costing our only personal connection to the Krath his job, or his willingness to deal with us on friendly terms. We basically have to take more into consideration than the stock value and the end of the quarter.

>He didn't even try to negotiate us down, which is always a sign that you didn't ask for enough.

Krath seem to be really, really bad at dealing directly with other people. At least that's my interpretation.

Anyway, I have to get at least some sleep tonight.

>relaxing holiday with your best human friend
>shapeshifter command pulls you back in
>new mission is to just secure some junk
>don't offer them more than 12 veckrons
>they want 24 veckrons
"y-you too."

Eldal is suffering.

>>49217209
Eldal a cute.
cuuuuuuuuuuute!

>>49217183
You make the case for why I want R&D help to be one of the rewards.

A close Krath relationship > All other gains.

>>49217209
Pretty sure they would just say no if they were unable to bargain. They've dealt with Rovinar extensively remember.

>>49217183
> Shapeshifting infiltrators and super spies

> bad at dealing with people

Yeah, infiltration specialized Face characters are known for their social awkwardness.

>>49217927
Rovinar society is supposed to be close to star trek humans, iirc.

>>49217948
I think he started ad a combat focused variant.

>>49216976
>He's probably just saying that combat in space in close proximity to and on an inhabited asteroid is probably not good for the civilians living there. Which is unsurprisingly true.
If this is anything close to Avoubic they'd have to purposefully stay in the civilian areas and us to blow up the station to actually get more than a few hundred dead civilians.

>>49217183
>Being upset about everything and then attacking will just result in nobody talking to us any more.

Yeah, sure nigga. It's cool, come on into my house and take a Veckron shit right on my white couch.

Dude wants to play the "Concern for civilians" card it's a little bit too late.

>>49217183
>It's simply getting annoying at this point. Being upset about everything and then attacking will just result in nobody talking to us any more.
That's politics. We have to establish a moral high ground because doing otherwise ends up with us in jail because of war crimes.
It's not worth costing our only personal connection to the Krath his job, or his willingness to deal with us on friendly terms.
If our lead diplomats opinion is that 30+ Veckrons is the point where he'd get in trouble I'm inclined to trust him and we do need to place finances first if we want to ensure the existence of Rioja and the Run in general.

>>49218441
And let's not forget, we don't actually know the value of whatever it is that they're removing from that fortress.

Hopefully we'll get the chance to either infiltrate another one and, by virtue of seeing where they removed things from this one, know at least where to look for things on the other one and infiltrate tell steal it.

Or get Krath assistance on taking out the other fortresses.

But it could be some seriously game changing shit.

>>49218892
Bet it's Krath operatives that are helping the Nasidum and Xygen in an effort to get some serious pull inside the Dominion by backing a future Ruling House.

>>49218441
It's nothing more than being permanently upset at this point. The only thing Sonia is currently establishing is she's not worth talking to.

>>49213024
Industry / Station modules
R&D Support (Limited)
Krath special assistance (Spec ops missions, Covert Fleet relocation)

>>49209993
>>49212226
>Every major faction except the dominion can produce veckron torpedoes
>Every major faction except the dominion can produce SP torpedoes
>Even a minor faction like the Krath can build veckron torpedoes
>The Norune probably can build sp torpedoes as well by now because why not
>The Republic shits all over the Dominion in every way when it comes to production capacity, fleet size, and technology.

Fuck, we're worst faction.

>>49219289
>Permanently upset
>Not worth talking to

If I recall they've set the bar at unconditional and forthwith surrender in the multiple times theyve opened dialogue with us.

On the otherhand we've been reasonable with Aries and while heavy handed with the fortress did allow them to use their surrendered damage control crews for SAR. We are worth talking to still in that we've been reasonably fair in our terms.

However the enemy commander at Avao is basically saying to let him and the remainder of his fleet, that is battered, isolated and based at a location they don't even fully control, to just waltz out unmolested to rejoin what's left of his allies and presumably resume hostilities either here or at DRH2

Besides we have the right to be upset. They've demonstrated that their willing to recklessly use Veckron weapons on already damaged sections of space, which at worse could have cut the run in two or create a narrower corridor around the Avoubic corridor. As well as forcing the relocation of everyone in the Avoubic system who doesn't wish to live in isolation for the next 400 years.

>>49215672
We have ground forces at Avao, commit the rest of the marines and the army to reinforce them, attempt to capture what's in port.
Recall the Supers and along with the Array begin to bombard what isn't hiding in the fortress and activate the gravity generator. What doesnt run or surrender by that point has basically consigned themselves to an eventual death either through bombardment or when our infantry assets board their ships

>>49220074
>which at worse could have cut the run in two or create a narrower corridor around the Avoubic corridor
At best it might have opened a transdimensional corridor to the original dominion homeworld where incredible salvage is waiting for us.

>>49220191
Pretty sure that universe collapsed on itself

>>49220071
>they're not gonna give us our Nanotech back
>they're not gonna share anything developed from the Neeran items we gave them
>they're using Krath to manipulate us
>they're just going to dripfeed us Veckron and SP weapons to keep us placated

SONIA UPRISING WHEN
DEATH TO THE ALLIANCE

>>49220441
Welcome to being a small fish in an endless ocean (of stars). The only reason we can complain about it now is that we're high enough to see one of the many plateaus and it's filled with blackjack and hookers they got thanks to us.

>>49220074
This. We've been surprisingly reasonable given our near piratical past. Greater obligations as it were.

We told them they didn't want to play hardball with us once already, and they doubled down. Now this other chump wants us to roll over?

Fuck that. They can either surrender and be escorted to Terran space to help with the Neeran front, or they can be destroyed with no quarter given.

If they have any doubt, they can look at all the salvage we've sacrificed already. A cursory look at our history should tell them how serious that means we are.

I'm already kind of pissy we didn't force more high quality salvage early just so our allies would have a soft fucking ride.

>>49220872
Have another (you)

>>49220911
Great rebuttal.

Really hit the salient points of your argument there.

Keep in mind that we have to justify to our house the losses we took and why we failed to take the opportunity to recoup them.

In the words of Austria when Russia intervened to help them in Hungary "We shall shock the world with our ingratitude" which they did later when Russia was involved in the Crimean war.

Get paid now, don't expect favors unasked for to get paid later.

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>>49216218
>No medium stealth cruiser for kim?
Only the Rovinar have those.
I don't think the Krath have any larger ship designs.

>>49216773
>Plus I have no idea what the current sector map looks like. Still a ton of threads behind. Isn't Bonrah still by the Nav Station to Terran Space?
Pic related.

>>49216918
>Honestly these guys suck at negotiations.
Obviously they're being lead by Baron Bloom.

>Will Turner: Barbossa, you lying bastard! You swore she'd go free!
>Barbossa: Don't dare impugn me honor, boy! I agreed she go free, but it was you who failed to specify when or where.

>>49220872
You seem to be under the impression that we're supposed to increase our fleet in value after every battle. This is not possible without paying for them with our troops in large scale battles where we don't have massive superiority.

>>49221115
so this map is up to date post battle?

>>49221061
I'm not really going to bother with actual replies any more as you simply repeat the same points over and over again no matter what anybody says. There's no sense posting any replies to your posts because you'll only repeat your previous reply more rudely.

>>49221211
You haven't given an actual reply, so there's no loss there.

Good attempt at pretending that my supposed tone outweighs them though.

I still vote we play hardball with Avao and not let these guys escape. Terra or bust, those are their choices.

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>>49221179
More or less. The Nasidum controlled areas may have planets and bases under their control but little in the way of ships to hold them now.

>>49220074
>the enemy commander at Avao is basically saying to let him and the remainder of his fleet, that is battered, isolated and based at a location they don't even fully control, to just waltz out unmolested to rejoin what's left of his allies and presumably resume hostilities either here or at DRH2
Pretty much, though its doubtful they'd stop inside this relay once they start running.

To get ahead of the bickering taking place:

Do you feel its worthwhile to have a broken and defeated force return home to spread word of the level of their defeat? This MAY impact morale of their respective Houses and hasten their defeat, but they'll also get a few hundred ships that can be repaired.
Or do you want to try and permanently remove their assets from the field?

[ ] Capture as many as you can
[ ] Allow them passage to Terran space
[ ] Tight timeline for evacuation
[ ] Negotiate in good faith to get them out of here with minimal attacks (probably not going to happen)

>>49221277
Fuck that just make them all PoW's and sell them back to their houses later.
>>49221305
[ ] Capture as many as you can
oh nice there's even an option for it.

>>49221305
>[x] Capture as many as you can

>>49221145
I'm sorry, do you mean with Avao? Because my goal there is to not let a pinned down enemy free to raid or link up and repair with one of the remainder forces.

If you mean the previous vote, it's over and done but we didn't get any political capital out of it, and the strategic value is questionable since higher quality salvage can be salvaged faster and would have freed up more forces to chase down the remainder of Bonrahs fleet instead of staying here guarding more damaged salvage. At the cost of our allies taking the brunt of damage from fighting Heavies.

Which is Dominion tactics 101.

But that opportunity has passed so we should think of how to justify it. Did we think our allies unable to get the job done? Possibly offensive to our allies and gives us a personal reputation hit. I feel arguing it from a tactical point might not be best.

Or we can go that we wanted to show ourselves as being the big dick dawg of the run.

>>49221305

> [ ] Capture as many as you can

>>49221305
>[x] Allow them passage to Terran space

>>49221305
>[X] Capture as many as you can

>>49221305
Seem worth a try to me.

>[ ] Allow them passage to Terran space

>>49221400
I meant in the main battle that concluded.
Sorry I seem to be misuderstanding your position on this so point out when I'm wrong.
>If you mean the previous vote, it's over and done but we didn't get any political capital out of it, and the strategic value is questionable since higher quality salvage can be salvaged faster and would have freed up more forces to chase down the remainder of Bonrahs fleet instead of staying here guarding more damaged salvage. At the cost of our allies taking the brunt of damage from fighting Heavies.
Which vote are you talking about?

>Which is Dominion tactics 101.
What is it? Let our allies take the brunt of the damage?

>But that opportunity has passed so we should think of how to justify it. Did we think our allies unable to get the job done? Possibly offensive to our allies and gives us a personal reputation hit. I feel arguing it from a tactical point might not be best.
Wait how did we fail in any way?

>>49221556
have you tried Hexographer for your maps TSTG?
Wait that's what he's disagreeing with? The incredibly valuable installation everyone in the Run alliance has a vested interest in?

>>49215666
>Can we pull in the RSS heavy to speed up field repairs?
They're sitting back in a safe location far from enemy movement. It'll take the better part of a day for them to get here safely. A few extra escorts will meet up with them and escort them back.

>>49221400
>but we didn't get any political capital out of it,
If you mean the Veckron warheads your allies in the Run should be happy with the share of the spoils they're getting. They're each getting at least 1 warhead or its value which they can use to good effect repairing damage to the Run later.

If you mean going after Forbearance station that's probably had better long term results since RSS would have lost the local ability to construct station modules. Something you'll desperately need for reconstruction efforts.
Also the other Barons in the Run will be happy some of the money they invested in its startup won't have been lost.

>>49220071
Only the Terrans and Rovinar have the tech to produce everything and the Rovinar only barely.
Krath can only build some variation of Veckron Torp that they rarely ever use, no SPs.
Republic can't produce SP's without huge amounts of technical assistance from the Terrans or Rovinar.

Dominion
Kavarian
Shallans
PCCG
SRL
Norune
Neeran Isolationists
^ None of these guys can make their own.

>>49221584
Neeran? What the hell guys you're supposed to be the space wizards

>>49221305
>[X] Allow them passage to Terran space

>>49221305
[x] Capture as many as you can.

There will always be those that escape back to friendly lines. However having an entire battlegroup just disappear is more ominous. Sure Bonrah High Command could say nothing, but the silence and the missing family members speak volumes.

Plus i'd rather not let them have people who hold a grudge against us back in fresh ships leading or part of fresh formations. Considering quite a bit of their elite units staged a fighting withdrawal into Avao.

I am worried though of how were gonna house and feed all theese PoW's. What with all the infrastructure damage done to the orbitals on various planets and with transports in high demand. Having to feed possibly somewhere close to a hundred thousand prisoners could become a nightmare unless we just feed them all nutrient paste/cubes.

>>49221305
>Capture as many as you can

>>49221680
Pretty sure most people under upper middleclass is already on nutrient paste

>>49221557
>Which is Dominion tactics 101.
What is it? Let our allies take the brunt of the damage?

Has been since the start.

> Wait how did we fail in any way?

To get more high quality salvage at the expense of our allies?

>>49221305
>[x ] Allow them passage to Terran space
At worst this will end up as a problem for future sonia.

>>49221722
So you're saying our allies will be mad at us for not being thrown into the meatgrinder as a distraction?

>>49221305
>[x] Capture as many as you can
need more bargaining chips

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>>49221794
For some reason I doubt these participation numbers.

>>49221576
>have you tried Hexographer for your maps TSTG?
I've looked at it a few times. I needed some kind of pay version to load custom icons I think the last time? I'm sure there's a way around it, I just really haven't spent enough time looking into it.

>>49221680
>Having to feed possibly somewhere close to a hundred thousand prisoners could become a nightmare
Given the number of larger ships that took part the number of prisoners will probably be closer to a million than 100k.
And you still have enemy ground troops to worry about!

>unless we just feed them all nutrient paste/cubes.
Fortunately you do have that option and its probably the easiest.