Ok, so I don't know all that much about the criteria for space marine chapters picking up initiates. I know harsh conditions are usually a good start, hence death worlds. Not so sure about the additional examinations or trials to weed out weaker candidates though.List some examples, if you can.Or, tell me how you would set the criteria/tests for these young recruits.
>>48746483>Not so sure about the additional examinations or trials to weed out weaker candidates though.Generally its something like a battle to the death with the other recruits or a deadly trial of some sort, basically anything that serves as a proof of your killyness and survival skills.
>>48746483Salamander neophytes have to be forge apprentices for a while, to teach patience and toughness or something.Also, a lot of Space Marines recruit from Hive World gangs as well.
Don't the space wolves make you go into the snow with only a knife and kill a wolf?
>>48746483Hive world slums, somewhere on the chapters home world, people born on a Demon World and somehow escaped are guaranteed for either Inquisition, or Marine if young enough.
I could be wrong, but it seems like there are those chapters that want bodies and those that truly appreciate the traditions and rituals.
>>48746746I thought there were no wolves on Fenris?
>>48746767Then there are lunatics like the Carcharodons who just have all the tweens on an entire planet fight to the death and take whoever is left at the end of the day.
>>48746591how would night lords train or test initiates?
>>48746895Hunger Games, with more bats and flaying
how's this for initiate trials?first part of the trial is teams of initiates stalking one another and hunting each other downSecond part happens in the middle, where Astartes go down to hunt all of them and see how well they adapt from being hunters to being hunted.
>>48746776of course there's wolves on Fenris. A fenrisian she wolf nursed and nurtured Leman Russ alongside her two pup.
>>48747506Are you sure it wasn't just a Fenrisian?
>>48747632what'chu talkin' 'bout, willis?
>>48747656It's implied that all the Wolves on Fenris are actually Fenrisian citizens that have devolved. Everyone on Fenris is part wolf, a piece of genetic engineering from back when humans were first colonizing the planet, and some of them eventually devolve. Hence why the Space Wolves also have sharp teeth and some eventually turn into Wulfen. I forget what books specifically hint at this stuff, but a couple different characters say "There are no wolves on Fenris" during the HH. Magnus is one of them iirc.
>>48747706>"There are no wolves on Fenris" during the HH>the HHNo one gives a shit.
>>48746591>Hunger Games>>48746934>Hunger GamesAre you twelve?
>>48746483Depends on the Chapter.
>>48746483As far as I know there have never been any completely general criteria displayed.In my own headcanon I imagine it varies extremely depending on the recruitment world.For example the Blood Angels recruit from a radiation blasted hellscape inhabited by near-mutant cavemen ferals, so they hold mass battles to the death to figure out which of them are the best.However I seriously doubt something like this would fly on a civilised world like Macragge. On civilised worlds they're probably recruited in much the same way as any modern elite organisation. They'll be monitored for genetics & placed into academies. The trials will be rigorous for sure, dangerous certainly, *maybe* even lethal on rare occasions, but nothing like the bloodsport you'd get from feral world recruitment.Feudal worlds. Probably similar to feral worlds but less savage. Knightly-esque tournaments, jousting, tests of stamina like marathons. More advanced language means the marines can give more instructions other than "fight to see who's best".Death Worlds. Low populations, scattered inhabitants and the fact that they're all tough-as-shit anyway means the marines probably just pick up whichever kids are designated by their tribe as the toughest of the tough.Hive Worlds. Find any 13 year old underhivers that have capped a dozen gang rivals already.Of course as I said before this is all just assumption based of general knowledge of related fluff, but it makes sense to me.
>>48746746Yes, but that's after they select you.Most recruits are drawn from the warbands of fenrisians, some young kid will kill 10 guys in a fit of berserker rage and then get healed back to health and taken to the far north to become a space marine.
it really depends on the chapter and there structure/beliefs. my homebrew chapter first must survive three days on a derelict space wreck. They then must duel until everyone has either died or been knocked out. Then they are dropped with nothing but the clothes on there backs into feral ork territory and have to make it to a LZ. Then survive for three days on a jungle planet followed by another week of various biome survival training. All of this culminates in a simulated boarding action on board a derelict vessel with real captive orks.
basically it must be the most extreme training mentally and physically they will ever ever endure. think navy seals level training times a thousand.
>>48749024>>48749005I honestly wonder how anyone would expect a prepubescent kid to be capable of all this.
>>48749571I think it's a bit overstated by these anons here. It is vague though and it heavily varies from chapter to chapter. I know the alpha legion used to test a groups strengths as opposed to the other legions that focused on the individual.
>>48746483Every Chapter is different in how they recruit OP, even though it's not everything, the way a Chapter recruits usually defines the Chapter itself even though you're probably supposed to forget your past life which also depends on the Chapter, so if you pick a Chapter that's recruitment appeals to you and you'll probably like that Chapter too, being a man from northern Canada, I have an affinity the environmental trials of Inwit where the recruits have to make it across the Splintered Lands because I know how terrible cold is, but I also love Necromunda because since I have lived in almost complete isolation my entire life I dread the idea of Hive City life surrounded inescapably by people and their filth, therefore the thought of living in an Under Hive where Chapters recruit from both amazes and scares the shit out of me. But I wanted more than just these two worlds, as much variety in my men as possible, manly and deep characters from every type of world since I also enjoy drawing and writing their adventures and diversity adds complexity, an example of one of my favourite characters would be I have a depressed dreadnought who is originally from an Agri-World who is essentially me personality and history wise, during his between battle slumbers he dreams about forgotten memories he had in life before becoming a marine where he was raised on a farm, and fell in love with a neighbourhood girl who ultimately broke his heart, as the stories progresses and the older he gets, the more he learns about himself and who he was. Finally, I wanted to paint my marines eye lenses blue because said girl who broke my heart terribly had the most beautiful blue eyes in the world. Essentially, I took everything that I hate, fear, and that makes me most depressed in my life and poured it into the thing I love the most in the world. For these reasons, I am an Imperial Fists fan.
>>48749949>I have an affinity for the environmenta trials of Inwit* Sorry about the spelling errors lads, I typed quick, hardly revised, Emperor forgive me...
>>48746895Night Lords do this weird ritual thing where the kids have to survive a night and get to this obelisk thingamajig.I don't really remember that well, it was in a short story. The kids didn't know they were being recruited IIRC.
>>48747059I think if the Astartes are going full tilt then there might not be any initiates left.But with some tweaking this might be a very cool idea indeed.
>>48748739blood angels recruitment is so fucking rad, crossing gorges and canyons with a shitty hang glider while fighting rad scorpions is bad fucking ass
>>48750017Well, the trial as a whole determines how well the candidates work as a team, as part of a whole. The first part merely examines their abilities to track down and kill an 'enemy'. It could be other teams or particularly nasty creatures, so long as it provides a great challenge. The second part tests how well they work under severe pressure and fear, testing their bonds with one another, as well as to see how quickly they can adapt to surprising new turns in events. Those who resist the fear or overcome it become worthy initiate, bonus points if they find a way to turn the tables on the Astartes hunting them.Probably using a few Space Marines to do the trials per a certain number of initiate, like say, 1 or 2 for 5 teams of 5. Some trainers feel more generous and merely attempt to kidnap and rough up the initiates. Some are more brutal, and will outright kill them for the slightest flaws.One path produces hardier students, the other at least opens up the number of potential serfs added to the chapter, as well as offering the candidates another chance at becoming space marines, and thus increasing their standing forces.
>>48750146I feel like pitching them against each other and/or marines in a lethal manner would just cause resentment and distrust to form, increasing the chances of treachery later in life (a big part of why so many marines (proportionally) turn to chaos is because they're recruited from the most savage dregs of humanity).Presenting them with a 3rd party enemy or challenge to overcome would help breed more camaraderie and trust.Having them hunt something like a dangerous natural predator, then setting an even more dangerous natural predator on them, would be a better way to go imho.
>>48746483It's important to remember that age of recruitment varies wildly. Some Chapters take baby boys offered to them as a tithe by the population and raise them in the Chapter without ever interacting in a human society. Others like the Black Templars recruit twenty-somethings from a mass mosh pit battle. A Space Marine recruit needn't be 12 or something, but even as old as 22. Which the Legions used to do too IIRC.
>>48750326Black Templars are more famous for the trial where they make you fast and pray for as long as you can.
>>48750326>Others like the Black Templars recruit twenty-somethings from a mass mosh pit battle.That happens only once and since the chapter keeps are so spread out I'd assume that the trial is determined by whoever is the master of that particular chapter keep, if the planet is a feudal one then it might have a different trial then a hive world or a feral world.
>>48750326I could've sworn that the oldest and initiate could be was 16 before they started adding in all the additional organs
>>48750451Nah, that's just old fluff that doesn't really reflect Damnation Crusade at all. This guy ain't fucking sixteen, not by a longshot.
>>48750474Yaaayyy more inconsistent loreBut then again that makes me think, what about all the Knights on Caliban that weren't able to become astartes? They were just heavily augmented to near astartes levels but weren't actual astartes.
>>48750138Don't they also do a test where they shove you into a coffin while the implants are being put in and if you scream or go insane they drag you away to get servitorized? Or am I thinking of another chapter.
>>48750666Satan pls, adults can become marines, it just makes more prone to failure. Russ mortal wolf guard became marines with most of them dying in the process.
>>48750451You can put gene-seeds into adults, but it's much more dangerous and the end result will physically be inferior to a child based Marines. They usually make up for it in experience and skill.I think during the Heresy they adopted such methods to bolster the ranks of the legions, since you didn't have a decade to wait for new recruits to become combat worthy.
>>48746895>testYou survived Nostramo. Apply, if you survive the gene seed you're in.>>48749989Would also make sense.
>>48746895Wasn't it literally just the worst and nastiest and killiest criminals of Nostromo? That's why Curze hated his own legion so much >>48747706This is hinted at and stuff but then theres also talk of native wolves and how fenrisian wolves have been around since before human colonisation, its all speculation
>>48746483>must pass rigorous trials and preform great feats to be selected for ascension into a Space Marine chapterWhy don't they just recruit from Cadia and Catachan then? Making it to double digit age is a fuckin accomplishment in those places.
>>48747821You're right.It's more of a Battle Royale.
>>48750138Now we know that really happened to Fallout's characters after the game ended.
>>48747802HH is canon. The highest rank of canon because the IP manager and GW's management edit and manage it themselves. So you better give a shit or fuck off out of the setting.
>>48753782>HH is canonStopped reading the baith ere.
>>48750245Yeah, but that's where the hypnoconditioning comes in to make them loyal to one another, to the chapter, and the imperium.I mean, iirc, Blood trials of the blood ravens was essentially a free for all gladiator match to see who was the toughest son of a bitch, and I'm pretty sure the Blood Angels had something similar for their recruits once they climbed to the top of a mountain or something.
anyone want to list the various chapter methods for testing their initiates?
>>48755653>Ultramarines>pick whoever can praise the loudest>Iron Hands>pick whoever can rebuild a bolter>Angry Marines>make all candidates play Battletoads, if one of them go apeshit and break the nintendium console with hsi bare hands, he's enrolled>Lamenters>pick the unluckiest bastard on the planet
>>48755653>death guard>pick whoever doesn't die when exposed to the sweaty stank aftermath of a space wolves hazing party
>>48755653>Blood Ravens>go to feodal world, engage the successful thiefs
>>48752792I read it this wayAliums on fenris - it gets hit by turban scout fleetMesses up orbit and so on but tyranids end up as part of the fauna - like Catachan Aliums use genetics to make themselves super adaptable to copeHowever this ends up turning them into a level just above chaos spawnHuman settlers arriveThey imprint the idea of wolves since it's a cold Viking type world and they named it fenris for a reasonAt some point humans incorporate allium dna to make it possible to survive without thermal suits etcThe canis helix is meant to interact with this special dna - as a result space wolves can turn into wulfen and become immune or resistant at least to chaos corruption since the 13th company have survived all that time with no chaos stuff
>>48753384Because they provide the best of the guard which needs its elitesAlso Cadia and Catachan are both likely genetically too impure
>>48753985Well 8th edition will bring the primarchs back so it will be cannon
>>48756349really? like, the daemon primarchs are actually gonna fight? or do you mean the loyalist non fucked up ones who aren't dead yet.
>>48746483Trials for weeding out weaker candidates are different for every single chapter.What matters as the end result, is that they get the absolute best of the best from their recruiting planet. You have to already be the pinnacle of human fitness and willpower BEFORE you get your geneseed. They don't want to waste their time and resources on weaklings who will die from taking geneseed(already a problem lots of times anyway), or who would be afraid to go rambo on aliens while outnumber them 100 to 1, or on someone who would crack and get possessed the first time he saw a daemon.
>>48756320Another theory is that the wolves on Fenris were created by mutant humans giving birth to animals, devolving because of a Canis Helix side effect before the population genetically adapted to having it.
The no wolves on Fenris thing, they were genetically engineered fauna when the planet was first settled. The whole no wolves is just poking fun at the fact they were engineered on Terra for the purposes of having things that can survive on the planet. Aside from the weird nid influence. I think that was in Thousand Sons.
>>48756530Yeah I think I saw this some where, I don't have any proof so take this as you will. It was something like the Lion (obviously), girlyman, khan and Russ for the loyal primarchs and then , mortarion, angron, strawberry and... last one is escaping me. Again don't take my word for it since I just recently saw it somewhere with no immediate reputable sources.
>>48748739This is pretty accurate. I recall reading from the BA books that they have a mass battle after wandering the radioactive wasteland of the moon.Ultras... eh, there's Agiselus for the standard training, or they also have that funky challenge to beat a marine in one thing. I think there was a piece of lore where an aspirant beat the Chapter Master in a game of chess and later became a librarian.
>>48757474well, that does sound cool, though i won't get my hopes up. obviously if they are released mortarion is absolutely going in my army.
>>48746483Would there be any problems in trying to make Astartes out of void-born children? (above and beyond the regular problems, that is). I occasionally scribble some fluff for a chapter I made up for that Chapter Master game that came out a couple years back, and I wanted to make sure I wasn't shooting any sacred cows by that factoid; they mostly recruit from their own fleet crews, because they try to be as self-sufficient as possible.
>>48757863That would fuck up their PR.
>>48757972What would? Recruiting from their crews as PR vis a vis the crews, or trying to be self-sufficient and thier PR vis a vis the rest of the imperium?
>>48757991All of them. All normal are disgusted by voids.
>>48749984You did well man, you did well.
>>48757728I really hope that they get good writers for some novels if this is true. I'd love to see the reaction of the Lion when he sees what his legion has become, let alone the entirety of the imperium. Or if there will be a civil war within the imperium between these returned primarchs and the inquisition. Perhaps a loose alliance
>>48759602>good writersThat would mean spending money, and there earn less. No way they'll do it.
>>48746746It's actually much worse, they trigger your mutations and you have to go out and hunt a gigantic wolf creature barehanded while suffering the effects of the active mutations (reshaping body masse and bones, etc). Then you have to come back alive and with the skin of the prey you've killed, and only then you're accepted into the chapter after being stabilized. Wolves are nuts.
>>48750474This comic.>Hey I've totally planned that they would be fighting here so I've manned a pitfall trap hidden on the ground and put a gigantic man-eating beast in it just in case we find a suitable candidate!
>>48759602oh god what if this is why ward is back. sweet fucking lord no, not mortarion, please no leave him alone.
>>48760894With Ward's blessing Draigo will write his name on all of the chaos primarchs!
>>48761123i hope he tries to atone for his mistakes. i hope Mortarion tattoos "Nurgle was here" on Draigo's forehead. and "Slaanesh was here" around his butthole
>>48760859>Hey I've totally planned that they would be fighting hereWell yeah, they're fighting in a Black Templar chapter keep.
I once posted a piece of my homebrew Knights Twilight. In short they are bunch of Dusk Raiders lost in warp during Great Crusade. When they popped out from warp they specialized in naval actions and boarding actions.They recruit from three sources. First is their base station in their home system. The problem with that is voidborn. They are physically more frail so initiate numbers are low.Second is people taken from planets they have campaigns. Basically they just ask the planetary governor permission to take several thousand potential candidates with them.Third is people captured from prices. Basically they shanghai the old crews, purge heretics and mutants and take potentials again.Trials are quite standard, but they last one year. Failed candidates are either made into guards, sailors or servitors. As the chapter doesn't follow codex astares to heart they have quite big need for non-astares armsmen.
>>48756206You know, someone should totally make a blood raven character based on Garrett.that one brother you call in to steal the most secured shit in the galaxy, the one who makes Raven Guard shed tears in shame at the shear hax of his stealth skills.
>>48749949You're such a fucking fag holy shit>Imperial Fists fan.Good taste though
>>48763535T-thanks, I may be a sad-moral-fag, but I'm not half the fag as those namefags Drunk Interrogator Chaplain, Nice Daemonette, and That Curzefag Who Fucks Shit Up.
read ian watsons space marineballs to the wall necromunda hive ganger kids becoming imperial fists
>>48763456>Dawn of War 3 is a better Thief game than the reboot.It would be hilarious, but kind of sad.
>>48767626Garr'Ret, Feudal worlder who proved his excellent stealth skills to Cyrus and became his star pupil.Tasked with the most impossible of missions, usually nicking stuff from xenos, traitors, and loyalists alike. Everything that's not nailed down and on fire is fair game. And everything that's on fire and nailed down is also fair game, because fuck you, that's why.
>>48767733An entire planet's yearly requisition? gone.ancient artefacts of great and terrible power? all in the vault on their fortress monastery. Including the Raven Guard's Primarch.Some ships go missing from the Navy's registry? Magpies have them now. Who stole them all? this >>48756206 asshole.
>>48752792Well, Nostromo is no-more-stro, so how are they gonna recruit for their scattered warbands now?
>>48757863NaH don't listen to him bruvie, he's just some land skum. Us void born are just if not more genetically pure than the humans on the ground.
>>48767626>>48767733>mfw I always wanted ot reinstall the Thief games and try all the fanmissions, but too afraid of having grow used to beauty and being unable to disregard that
>>48770684did you line of thinking turn to word salad near the end?
>>48772580You gotta be kidding me. If anyone has been as far even to go want to be more like, it's gotta be even do world pancake salad cranberry.
>>48772658clearly, you've been infected with the disease Verbis vegitata.A quick trip to the commissar's office should set you straight.
>>48772747I'm already too straight for the Commissar's tastes.I heard he only does the thing with an imperial effigy.
>>48772784You should check again. Garr'Ret has recently stolen his manhood.
>>48772806Because the jean stealers weren't enough?
>>48772836He stole those genes/jeans back.
>>48772876You'd have to be pretty badass to steal from tyranids.
>>48773860it's motherfucking Garr'Ret
>>48772580Also, what I meant is that I want to reinstall the old Thief games, but I'm afraid of spoiling myself because of how accustomed I am to Phantom Pain.I'm afraid of finding Thief ugly and too easy compared to MGS.
>>48773940give it shot, see how it goes. it'd be interesting to see some older games compare to newer ones.
>>48774014Can I really do that and stay objective? There's no doubt I'll be biased because of my really, really fond memories of Thief.
>>48774030maybe.then again, people do come back to old games they've played and found them not quite as appealing
huh, just remembered something from Thief.Garrett takes out a god with thieving and trickery.hehehe, have blood raven Garrett screw with a daemon/daemon prince in a similar fashion.Don't need big guns and explosions to kill the enemy, just a whole lot of faith in the Emperor and some well placed lethal pranks.
>>48774056Dunno, it really depends. As a kid, I hated Age of Empires 2 because it was confusing and I never knew what to do. I got it recently on Steam, and I'm having a blast.
>>48774089Is Constantine really a god? Viktoria says in the sequel that he was a "friend" rather than a god. And Viktoria isn't really a mythical being, given how quickly she dies to Karras' machines.He could've just ordered his minion to worship him.
>>48774191he was a nature god or a demigod of some sort, iirc.
>>48774243Probably closer to a demigod, but he really looks like some lowly satyr who just happened to find a magic book.I never quite understand why the Pagans didn't collapse after the Trickster's and then after Viktoria's deaths.
>>48774281they had a chain of command, apparently, with someone called Diane or Diana being second to Viktoria.
>>48774309Ha yeah, the druidess Diana from Thief 3. I forgot about her because she's not mentioned in Thief 2, and only appears once.I'm sure there was a lot of backstabbing going on before she emerged as the leading figure.
>>48746483Survive.Make sure the guy they're gonna implant is physically capable and tough enough to have a chance to survive organ transfusion.
>>48774363she was mentioned in 2, viktoria talked to her and mentioned her by name before going on the suicide mission.though, now that i think about it, this could make for an interesting dynamic.Garr'Ret the thieving magpie, made strange bedfellows with an Eldar witch who needs his services to fuck up a chaos lord. through stealth and trickery.
>>48746483>"space marines are taken from the best, given the best genetic upgrades and the finest armor EVER in history">minor stat upgrade compared to imperial guards, pretty much the same as scouts
>>48774380a tad simplistic, since that's the basic gist of all recruitment processes and implantation.
>>48774402>Garr'Ret the thieving magpie, made strange bedfellows with an Eldar witch who needs his services to fuck up a chaos lord. through stealth and trickery.I need to write this. Or get someone better than me to write it.
>>48774402>>48774416Not to mention he briefly allied with the Inquisition after accidentally releasing a demonic invasion and got an unique artefact as thanks.
>>48774464>unique artefactThat one bionic eye that sees thingsThings you wouldn't believe.
>>48774528Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I've watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.
>>48774557The Ghost Eye that can detect warp related signatures and has soul sight.Seen the horrors that spewed from the Tannhauser Warp Gate and the bloodshed preventing the world of Bellatrix Secundus from falling into the hands of disgusting aliens.
>>48774557>Bellatrixto explain, this is one of the stars that make up the arm/shoulder portions of the Orion Constellation.
>>48774557at least swap c-beams and Tannhauser with 40k terms.
>>48774642You know, the only stars I know are featured in movies and are americans.
ok, here's a question then,how are the methods of recruitment from the crusade/heresy era legions compared to the modern chapters?
>>48774666hey, I'm just trying to maintain the reference.
>>48774557>they announced Blade Runner 2>by Ridley Scott>the one who butchered the Alien movies with Prometheus[PANIC INTENSIFIES]
>>48774717honestly? they should have done a Blade Runner prequel.Maybe even a series that acts like a prequel>Younger version of Roy as a combat replicant>Known for pulling off insane stunts>Gains the moniker of Batty Roy or Roy Batty>naval engagements and boarding actions off one of the stars in the Orion Constellation>Laser beams and other shit going on at a planet that is one part of a whole passage called the Tannhauser Gate>occasionally bumps into another group of child soldiers led by Sgt. Todd, who he has a professional and perhaps friendly relationship with>Face discrimination all the while from fellow human combatants>discovers emotions and morality as he starts questioning why he kills.>wants to be more human>go search for answers on Earth
>>48774793The normies wouldn't watch the movie because "lol everyone know he dies".
>>48774880everyone watched the star wars prequels, even though they know how those characters all end.
>>48774416maybe we should make a 1d4chan page about him?
>>48775033We need more first. What's his legend?>started on a feudal world>potential aknowledged by the astartes recruited as he tried to steal from one of them>sent as a Blood Ravens scout on a jungle world to investigate on a cult>whole squad got wiped>he single handedly managed to rescue a jailed Lord Inquisitor that was kept as sacrifice, causing the cult to get splintered as all the factons accused each others of trying to sacrifice the Lord Inquisitor to their own god>replaced a chaotic artefact with a boobytrapped one, causing a Prince Demon's summoning to fail and causing the complete eradication of the cult, through he lost his eye in the process>was given a replacement by the Inquisition, came back to his chapter as a hero (with the Inquisitor's wallet)>quickly kicked out of the chapter and sent on another mission because he was stealing everything that wasn't nailed down and the chapter master Gabriel Angelos was pissed to find his thunder hammer in Garr'Ret's closet>send to investigate on a necron infestation or some shit>really just an excuse to have him out>had to join forces with an eldar prophet because phew, there really were necrons>did not fuck, but ended up in very good terms even through she planned to use the earlier demonic invasion as a distraction to recover a few soul gems from a chaotic world>an inquisitor (one of these that use possessed) arrives on the planet, and tries to fuck the eldar up despite the necrons being more of a threat than the eldars>find out Inquisitor worship the Deceiver and think he can control the necron>end up blowing the catacomb with the inquisitor and the eldar still inside>keep the eldar's soul gem as a reminder, with the promise to give her back to her people later>the gem talks to him and sometimes helps himIf you can already writefag this much, that'll do for starters.
>>48775316don't forget bionic eye. make it an artefact that does something crazy useful.
>>48775365>>48774635 already described it.
>>48775316Oh, and I forgot :>denied a promotion as a full-fledged space marine, and became a sergeant that trains scouts in the art of infiltration and stealing>always act cynical and pretends he doesn't care, but really deeply care about his scouts and will take it personally if they get killed>only see non-scouts space marines as diversion and baits
>>48775316his legend is that he defeated an ancient warp monstrosity that could steal the faces of its victims and can take their place without others knowing about it.He uses his clever skills to collect clues and information about the thing for an inquisitor. Unfortunately, confronting the creature kills off most of the Inquisitor's retinue, including said inquisitor.With the help of other characters, humans, aliens, he must lure it into an ancient set of traps, activating glyphs to depower it and lay the killing blow.and stole the heart of an Eldar maiden.
>>48775422>>only see non-scouts space marines as diversion and baitsfeels a bit contradictory here.He will have probably trained a lot of those non scout marines, alongside cyrus.
>>48775463Well, scouts aren't really space marines, since they're still in training.Except among the Black Templars, they have a different system.
>>48775486but the point is, he'll be training these scouts, who will either stay scouts or go on to become full on battle brothers.He's not likely to just think of them as disposable simply because they changed career choices.
>>48775505I dunno, he doesn't seem to hold the Hammerer in high regards, even through they're kinda allies.He does yearn for their help after the Trickster pull his eye out okay technically it's Viktoria but it's Constantine who uses it.
>>48775528he doesn't like the hammerites as a whole (we can fluff it as not liking the Ecclesiarchy with the whole religious dogma and stuff)from what I gathered from the games, garrett's willing to help out a friend in need, was not happy that his old mentor got killed, can be heartwarmingly kind to certain people, depending on certain player choices.So, since this version of him is a space marine, it would logically extend to the whole chapter of Brothers.
>>48774793>>48774717>another Blade Runnner>even tho there was only one bookNOO
>>48775657it's hollywood man, deal with it.
>>48775601We can explain it as him having a bad experience with a priest during his childhood, and not liking fanatics.But that's maybe a little too fedora-tipping, especially in the Imperium where anyone that isn't a religious fuckwit is a heretic.I dunno, really. Have him in decent terms with the Inquisition (or maybe just one inquisitor, have him join his retinue once in a while), but yeah, he doesn't like the ecclesiarchy. No clue how to justify it.He's a pretty good fellow to Lotus and Stuart if you decide to.
>>48775703>bad experience with a priestbad touch.anyways, his dislike of the ecclesiarchy as a whole, he's probably got a good relation with some members individually speaking.
>>48775756>>48775703or, if we want to avoid bad touch, just say that the local priest/ecclisiarchal establishment was notably corrupt and kept the masses in a state of poverty/indenturement
>>48775756>>48775768Or maybe that the local church turned him down when he became orphan.
>>48775903that could be construed as a fairly petty reason for his dislike.Like with Avitus's hatred for the guard was due to seeing their corrupt behavior as a child,it would make sense to see a corrupted behavior in an organized religion such as the Imperial Creed, which would have a similar impact on a young Garr'Ret.If, say, turning down the orphans was in part due to not wanting to expend all their treasury on feeding and caring for homeless people filth, while spending it on fine foods and luxuries for the priests/clergy, then i'd buy that.
what are the blood trials of the blood ravens like, anyways?
>>48775316He is a ghost in the chapter. A wraith. He is only seen when he wants to be seen.His existence is evidence of the chapter's relation to the primarch Corvus Coraxwhatever the chapter needs, he can get it for them.steals weapons, tech, battle plans. People of use.slick shot with that sniper rifle/bolter. Uses trick shots and specialty ammo to get past security forces.a boogie man that many vindicare snipers fear/admirestole the armor off of 9th company while they were still wearing them.is usually the person who hands out all that special gear you saw back in DoWII, because he was the one hording it all.
>>48775422you know, they used to have legion recon squads in full power armor.why not have him be a full battle brother, just with recon and stealthing and sniping in mind?
>>48777817>a boogie man that many vindicare snipers fear/admirehe probably had one of their Exitus rifles 'gifted' to him, too.
>>48777817We're talking about Garr'Ret, not that smuggler from Resident Evil>>48778230Wasn't that retconned as an error?
>>48778615>Wasn't that retconned as an error?did they? I thought that was still official and stuff.
>>48750245>Presenting them with a 3rd party enemy or challenge to overcome would help breed more camaraderie and trust.This is now the fluff for my chapter.Instead of Blood Games, teams work together to survive against an Astartes for 7 days. If they lose any members of their group, the Astartes trades his non-lethal rounds for lethal ones
>>48778230of course, then again, not being promoted to full battle brother probably works as it parallels Garret's divergence from the Keepers, abeit, in this case, it wasn't his choice.
>>48778645I remember reading a Q&A about beta testing and how scouts ended up being broken because they gave the scouts infiltration and forgot that the sergeants could equip a terminator armour.
>>48778876well, i guess one could remove them from play, but does that necessarily mean removing them from fluff? Because I thought they were pretty cool.
>>48778925I fail to see how you can sneak around in a power armour. Each step sounds like THUD THUD THUD.
>>48779125It's future power armor. maybe they've found a way to make it sound more silent. Didn't they do that with the mark 6 armor?
>>48779151Isn't this actually a unit in 30k?
>>48779696yeah, but I wouldn't put it past the particular legions to make modifications to their armor that make them more stealthy, even if they weren't suitable for mass production
>>48779730are those bolt sniper rifles?
I just realized how crap other than talking about recruitment has basically filled half of this thread.
>>48767733He proved his worthy by first:stealing all the shit from nobles that totally deserved it. Only found out when the blood ravens caught him stealing one of their shinies tossed him into their blood trials.turns out, he stole the weapons that were going to be used in the trials and no one other than he knows where.make them go fisticuffs and shitdeadly dodging ensues, knows who to hide behind to minimize his profile and have others get hurt instead of him. last few guys force him to enter combat personally, and he still prevails. Still has plenty of injuries and broken bones, because he really wasn't the fighting type, but oh well. Barely makes it.makes it as a final candidate. don on scout armor.Cyrus: "Impress me."
>>48781424Sure, could also be used to represent normal boltguns but yeah Legion Recon can have sniper rifles, power armor AND camo cloaks.
>>48782454how do those things compare to stalker bolters?
>>48782487More range less shots.
>>48782509i'm over exaggerating. he's just a really good magpie.
>>48782585Is he the one who stole a thousand baneblades?
>>48782936i thought it was a hundred? and weren't they redeployed to other areas?at any rate, i imagine him coming around after the aurelien conflict.
>>48746831Yeah that totally doesn't scream Khorne chapter in training.
>>48783372so long as it's for the emperor, they're fine
>>48783372besides, after the hypno indoctrination, i doubt that it would really matter.
>>48782972>weren't they redeployed to other areasTHIS IS WHAT THE IMPERIAL PROPAGANDA WANTS YOU TO BELIEVESpeaking about Inquisitor, I tried Eisenhorn on Steam. You feel it's made by fans, but you also feel the lack of money. The recording is meh tier, the animation are basic, and there are many bugs.And Eyclone doesn't look like I imagined at all.
>>48784438is it the demo version the full version?
>>48784468The full one.Combat is a bit lackluster too and doesn't feel very satisfying, they should replace the sounds.
>>48784524that's a shame. They had mark strong voice acting eisenhorn, to.
>>48784611Yeah, but, even with the best voice actor, if the game delivers poorly, it'll be shit.In that case, I identified three big problems :>Strong's lacks of emotions when reading certain lines where he should be a little more pissed off,>the poor sound quality, probably comes from the poor microphone, sometimes it's normal, sometimes too low AND SOMETIMES IT'S LOUDER THAN IT SHOULD,>too much delay between the lines, resulting in small delay when a character is supposed to get interrupted.And I'm not even mentioning the fact that he goes in a giant dome and his voice has no echo. Way to ruin the immersion.And I was so hyped. Good thing the environnements are superbs to compensate.But the lasers are awful. I prefer Dawn of War's lasers to the one they used in Eisenhorn.
>>48775316>>keep the eldar's soul gem as a reminder, with the promise to give her back to her people latershe's gonna be real lonely and sad when she finds out her craftworld's infinity circuit got dicked over by Eldrad.
>>48758981I'm glad somebody enjoyed the post, there are other grammar mistakes that I won't divulge but I got my points across somewhat properly lol: explaining recruitments significance to the chapter and how it usually reflects it in one way or another, the diversity of it, and why i like why I like, I enjoy manly sad marines, and I've found my own way of making them as manly and sad as possible, making my setting as grimdark as humanly possible muhaha.
>>48786512>why I like what I like* Jesus i need to stop playing dawn of war and writing at the same time at 1am, a mans brain cannot handle such things.
>>48786538>not playing dawn of war 2Hi grandpa.
>>48748804Has somebody been reading about Ragnar?...
>>48749989Didn't Night Lords have this test where you went into the wild to scare the fuck out of some poor animals?
>>48789832I was playing dawn of war 2, dawn of war 1 is terrible.
>>48791449you take that back, skub.
>>48791461>>48791485I've played dawn of war 1 since it was released, it has a great and fun storyline and characters but compared to dawn of war 2 in gameplay terms it falls vastly short, the only thing it really has better gameplay wise is larger armies and more variety in units, it is worse in cover, it has base building, tactics and unit upgradingare more primitive, I could go on but you get the point, I like both but I choose dawn of war 2 over dawn of war 1 for pvp hands down every time.
>>48791844I pity you for having shit tastes.
Depends on the chapter
>>48786219>>48785381They weren't that dicked.Those Ynnead bound souls are just on a vacation.If Slaanesh had them the book would say so.
>>48782936Anthromorphic Baneblade super space marine chapter.Oh my god.
>>48792146oh god, Transformers Baneblades!
>>48792047As do I you
>>48750711I think I read somewhere that BA aspirants have to stay awake for 72 hours while only staring at something, if they fall asleep then they get servitorized, not 100% sure tho
returning to the main topic, /tg/, what kind of trials would you use to select initiates?
>>48792742I would probably throw them in a jungle, and tell them that whoever comes back with a trophy is picked.I wouldn't tell them that they can cooperate, but pick the one who did so.
>>48792742Feats of arms, intellect/wits, and survival. No idea beyond that.
>>48792803well, the question really is how do you go about testing feat of arms/ wit and intellect/ and survival?
>>48792803You could test cooperation like >>48792787you could also pit them against nasty creatures with certain attributes to hone certain qualities.Heck, maybe the chapter captured some really hostile xeno species, like an ork or two, and the initiates have to find a way to face off and win?
>>48792824Pit them against something they have no chance to kill in a fair fight.See if they fight dirty, cooperate, and just smash it.
>>48792742Take the wildest pack of assholes or otherwise conflicting personalities, give them a knife, and tell them they all have to get to the temple at the other end of the killer forest by the end of the week. Not everyone has to be alive, but they have to get there.Squad tactics mother fucker, I want soldiers not warriors.
>>48792864So basically the same bullshit than in Naruto.?
>>48792742Made my very own OC donut steel chapter once just to explore trials for aspirants. The rough gist of it was something like the following, I trashed my notes a long time ago.In the first of four phases, they were gathered in a large throng and pitted in combat against five to six marines. The weakest and solitary ones would be killed off, if anyone managed to draw blood they were deemed acceptable to go on. In the second phase, they would be given a knife and thrown naked into a hostile enviroment in small groups and expected to survive for one and a half weeks. This could happen as much as five times.The third phase was a test of loyalty and willpower, where chaplains would interrogate individuals and pick apart loyalties in the small groups which had made it this far. Though I never developed this aspect of it much. Fourth would be a test in intellect, rigorous studies and exams in both fitness and scholarly texts to gauge if the aspirants were smart enough. Logic puzzles, improvisational skills, and teamwork projects.Not sure if any of this is applicable, though.
>>48792941so what happens to the aspirants if they fail at any point in the trials?
>>48746483You know, I find it kind of pathetic the Astartes pick fucking ravenous degenerate humans for initiates to become "The Emperor's finest".
>>48792996Never thought of that, the chapter worked closely with the PDF so I guess the failed aspirants could be some of the better units in there, or just be the bog standard chapter servants I guess. I don't really have a good idea of what happens to failed aspirants in general.
>>48793060if they fail the trials in the early stages, you could probably just shift them off as servitors. The later stages, as chapter serfs.
>>48792982In that shitty manga, one of the trials to become a full fledged ninja is to reach the center of a forest with two scrolls.Each team starts with only one.
>>48793087I can see that working, seems more appropriate than shipping them off to the PDF where they'd probably be wasted either way. Somehow on a level I don't understand though,it almost feels unsatisfying. But oh well.
>>48793217you could flip the trials around.With the intellect trials first to see if they're smart enough to join. And the trial where they prove their loyalty.If they fail that, then they're just dumb muscle, or not particularly trustworthy, and better off as servitors. then the physical trials begin, and then you can leave them off as chapter serfs.
>>48793343Yeah, makes more sense that way. Thanks bud.
any other ideas?
>>48795970Only your imagination is the limit
>>48746483I remember reading a fanfic about a homebrew chapter where the marines would just gather all the 13 somethings in one place and have them beat the snot ou of each other. Feral world obviously. Of the 200 they would take the 50 or so that were still concious back with them for training.
>>48796350seems pretty tame comparatively speaking.still, i could see that as one recruiting method, if their feral world happens to already be pretty damn tough to begin with.
hm, not sure if this is actually a good idea or not, but what about a planet that has a relatively thin boundary between it and the warp? This allows for some rather maddening hallucinations and whispers to pass through. initiates taken for a chapter are dumped on this world (because it is otherwise uninhabited) and told to survive for a period of time (a week? two? Three?)they'll have to watch out for signs of heresy and stuff, purging as necessary. Survivors from this trial are scanned for taint, and those who pass are taken in as space marines.
>>48758051deikun was rightspacenoid Independence now
>>48774717>>48774793 What they SHOULD have done is make a "Tears In Rain" movie.Show us the attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion, the C Beams glittering in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
>>48779696you used to be able to do it in 40k too, the old space wolf codex let the scout sergeant wear power armour or even terminator armour
>>48747706russ was infused with canine DNA, and the SM are based off his genes. hence the wolf-transformation
>>48797902Dear god, no.It's better to suggest than show.
>>48797918yeah, wolf scouts, iirc, were already full battle brothers, they were just chosen for the job of recon and such
>>48797918And it was fixed on White Dwarf's Q&A.
>>48779151IIRC I think Raven Guard characters from the FFG DW game splats can sneak around without any of the penalties of power armor. Then again, though, that's FFG.
>>48799956well, since they're stealth specialists, they probably have better experience using their suits for sneaking around and have figured out how to stealth while making minimal noise.
>>48799956what's wrong with FFG?
>>48800060Very possible.>>48800981I just don't know how canon their stuff is. Nothing wrong with it.
>>48747821No im District 5.:^)
>page 11This is the first time I see it.>>48800981It's not canon, right?