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>>48603246
You can't light up down here, but that's actually kind of fine? It'd seem disrespectful, somehow. So instead you hobble next to the lip of the Shaft and take a seat next to Brigette, then look up at everyone else. "River, can you head back to Split and tell the others what happened?" you ask. "Razor Feathers, and Catherine, and all the rest that are heading back to the Roost. Tell Catherine that I need her thoughts on how to conduct this war."

"I will," River promises softly. She squeezes your shoulder, then Brigette's, and leaves with Tina and Lark.

"Who got them?" you ask Brigette, softly. "Where's Natalia?"

"Natalia's fine," Brigette murmurs. "Silence...called her, somehow. It was like words made of quiet, booming in that absent way like her bell does, and she...she said if Nattie wanted to make up for being a traitor, now was her moment. And Nattie, she just vanished there somehow. Maybe she's got teleport runes buried somewhere, maybe...maybe Silence just /called/ her."

"How do you know she's fine?" Nathan asks.

"She told Victoria. On Silence's communication bell," Brigette whispers.

You look up at Nathan and Amy. "Go on ahead. Help who you can. I'll be after shortly."

Nathan nods, solemnly. Amy stops to hug you both, folding her wings around you while her feathers play a jangling sound of mourning. It almost sounds like they're sobbing.

"We'll have our revenge," Amy murmurs.

"I won't," comes Brigette's miserable answer.

You take the bottle from Brigette as your lovers leave and take a slug from it yourself. It burns in a pleasant way. A numbing way.

"I tried to go with her," Brigette whispers. "I tried so many words. 'Leave'. 'Go'. 'Dispel'. 'Free'. Lora's will is like a damn vice. I had to sit here and...and listen to nothing but quiet until they told me. Natalia's all tore up. She had a thing for Jack..."

You hug Brigette around the shoulders, and she buries her face in your chest and screams in frustration, in grief, in sorrow.

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>>48603383
"I shouldn't have been drinking," the Poet mutters miserably. "Victoria's down there. What if she's next? What if the angel has her killed so she can have me? She's got forever to wait. She can be patient."

You run a hand through Brigette's hair. "Yeah, she can be patient. Why murder Victoria now when she can just wait out her life?"

"...I guess," your friend agrees.

> This wasn't your fault
> We still need you, Brige
> I will talk to Lora about lifting your sentence
> C'mon. You and me, we're gonna find all the booze on this damn level and smash it.
> Write-in?

>>48603434
>we still need you Brige. We'll talk to Lora later

>>48603434
>This wasn't your fault

>>48603434
>> We still need you, Brige. We'll talk to Lora later.

>>48603434
> This wasn't your fault
> We still need you, Brige
The Librarian made my shit list, as did Cobalt.

>>48603434
> This wasn't your fault
> We still need you, Brige

>>48603434
>> This wasn't your fault
>> We still need you, Brige
>> I will talk to Lora, maybe find a way for you to participate without breaking you sentence.

>>48603434
> We still need you, Brige
>There are other ways to help. The Atheneum is huge, right? There's bound to be /something/ in the books that can help.
This is assuming that she isn't already looking through the giant library for things like records of secret passages between the levels or the like.

>>48603986
this
best case scenario, bridge finds us a secret weapon. worst case scenario, she at least finds something to do that isn't drinking while we save the day.

Here shortly I'm gonna be giving a couple of copies of Mourners to my local library. After that, I'll be running until 7 PM or so, when I go to work; I'll be there until after midnight.

Back, called, tallying, writing.

>>48604089
Where can I pick up a copy?

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>>48604852
http://dreamscarred.com/product/mourners-scum-shatterdown/

This is the only time I'ma link it. Reviews are definitely welcome, as is feedback of any kind. I've got an awareness of a few places I went definitely wrong but, y'know.

You know what's bothering me?

Why did the information chain stop at the atheneum? was there no one else there besides Brigette to pass on the news that the rest of the dungeon was under attack by the chainholders? was it deemed not important enough? I don't know, send reinforcements or at least let Bri know what happened?
Maybe the other levels couldn't have been able to respond but they should at least have been informed in case the battle for the roost was lost and the atheneum and new hell would have fallen under attack

Even though Bri is all about bringing together the levels of the dungeon as a community no one really seems to be doing anything to work towards that

>>48604906
You said that this is your first book, right? Then a lot of those mistakes can be forgiven. Live and learn, right?

Serious critique? For me, the jumps between perspectives and events felt too brief. It was like I was reading an abridged version of a quest like DLQ, and not an actual novel.

And the characters, cool as they might have been, were too powerful on introduction. I didn't get to see the qt Paladin grow as a warrior. The wyrm? Again, cool but kinda boring. The final battle? It didn't feel like there was any risk involved, or any challenge to overcome. Just business as usual.

Still liked it, and still want to see more.

>>48603246
>silence killed off screen

aaaaaaaaand quest dropped, goodbye Vox you beautiful bastard

>>48606027
WAY too early for that, Anon. Still waiting for the rest of the details

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>>48603434
"You've been helpful," you murmur softly. "We need the Athenaeum. We've needed your research, and your experience. It's been good of you to keep an eye on Jewel and Cherry, and to help Natalia."

"I could do more," Brigette whispers. "I have all this /power/ and I can't use it! Why is she doing this to me? Why teach me all these words I can never speak? What did I do to be...nevermind," she shudders, and sucks in a deep breath. "I know what I did to deserve this."

"I'm not sure she's punishing you, Brige. I do think maybe we need to talk to her sometime soon. Together."

"...Alright," Brigette says quietly. "What...what can I do?"

"Sober up. Cry it out. Then find me everything you can on the Cornucopia and the Sunless Sea. The Pallbearer too, for that matter."

"Okay," the Poet agrees. "...Bri, did it go okay on the surface?"

"Phenomenally," you promise.

"That's good. I...I told them not to bother you with the news. That you were doing something important."

"You did good, Brige. You did good."

* * * *

Vik, Silence's second, is waiting for you in the Company Store. He's obviously seen better days; the man looks ragged from grief and exhaustion.

"Your lovers came through, went on to the Roost," the man says. "We need to talk."

"I heard about Silence. I'm sorry -"

"Don't you be sorry yet, corpsefucker," the Miner snaps. "She's not dead. Just...unwell."

"Define," you ask, flatly.

"They got her with iron. Barbed bolts, the fucks. She wouldn't fall back, kept defending the Roosters, kept fighting back. She drove them back, you know? She didn't deserve that. She left you some final message in the stones near the Roost entrance, made us drag her there, but I don't think she's as dead as she looks. She said...she said she's a body, right? She doesn't have a soul."

"Which would make reviving her complicated even if it wasn't already too late," you tell him.

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>>48606486
"I'm getting to that!" Vik interrupts, annoyed. "Look - if she is a body, and we /have/ her body, then all she needs is some life, right? We /have/ life. Half a snake's worth of wraithsteel. We can, we can get a smith, right, and use it to drive the iron out of her system, patch up the wounds, and she'll be better."

There's a /need/ on his face, a desperate plea in his eyes.

Gods, he's in love with her, isn't he?

> What do you say?

>>48605388
Yeah, I've had worries about that looking back at it. Ashes to Ashes will be better there, in part because Asheholm is kinda Adventure Town so the playing field is more generally even. My thanks, my friend, for the read and the critique.

>>48606027
Sorry to see ya go, my friend. Hopefully we meet again.

>>48606526
>"There is a line that should not be crossed, are you desperate enough take responsibility when she wakes up?"
>muttering about zombie armies

>>48606526
Not sure what we /can/ say. We lack the knowledge to know if that'll work.

>>48606526
>Do you really think she wants what you're proposing?
>We can remove the iron as best we can.

>>48606526
It would be interesting if she's well enough to communicate, what her opinion is.

But I'd be for trying to do it.

>>48606526
>"I've never done this shit before and frankly I'm not sure the Silence that comes out the other end of this will be herself or Gods know, she could wake up as that wraithsteel snake. I don't have to remind you what it did to your men do I?"

>>48606526
>"If she left me a message, I need to hear that before I make any sort of decision. That said, this is a faery we're talkign about, not one of the First or Secondborn, and that means if there's naything to be done about it, I'll need to know more than I do now. Finally, it's not just raising her - there's costs and responsibilities that go with that. I don't know if I can pay those costs and dues right now, in my current condition, or if she'd be willing to live with them either."

>>48606526
wait, did they leave to bolt heads in her when they removed the arrows? why else would there still be iron in her system?
>If we have the time, we should read her message before making any decisions.

>>48606925
She fought with the bolts still in her. By the time she was treated the iron poisoning was already killing her (you can see another example of that with Miles' manacles).

>>48606526
>...I don't know, to be honest.

>let's take a moment and just examine what we have on our hands here, alright? Silence's body is....itnact just filled with iron, yes? From what I know generally when the fae die, they tend not to leave bodies. They explode into glitter or turn to sea foam or fade away into dust. I am not an expert though. If her body still has vital signs, and she's not decaying maybe there's something we can do.

> The thing is though, even if she is still barely hanging on to life somehow, there might not be a way to pull her back. This is uncharted territory and I have no knowledge of the fae. We do have the atheneum's books, doctors, and several very talented smiths in new hell but we're all mortals. She's something else.

>So. Let me see the body. Let me make calls. If there's a way to keep her alive, you have my word I will work to bring her back like she was my own flesh and blood. But if there's no hope for her, if there's risk that we may bring back something that is not HER you need to promise me you'll let her go.

>>48606526
>Well shit, then. I guess we're gonna bring her back. Don't know how much help I'll be, since I can't well bring her nonexistent soul back from the sunless lands, but I /do/ know a master smith up in Glen.

>First, though, I recommend we check this message she's left me. Could be important for just this reason.

>>48606526
>We're going to read that message, and then we're going to fix Silence, because killing off best girl is unforgivable

Alright folks, I need to go be Gainfully Employed. Brakes in the car are shot so it's the two-step express for me; I'll be back at around 1 AM or so. Votes remain open.

Questions, comments, discussion, feedback, and criticisms remain welcome and appreciated.

Thank you all for reading and participating!

If folks are inclined to do stuff like the cards, writing/drawing, that kinda thing, these work absences and/or sleep absences are a good time for 'em.

>>48606526
>Do you know any other fae we can ask about this? Really don't want to mess with Silence like that without any idea of what I'm doing.

>>48606526
>>48607788
this

Hey guys... you know, we have someone in the single biggest repository of knowledge on this side of the world who would be aching to figure out a solution. That, coupled with the insanity this guys speaking and some life juice might just do it.

With a soul off the table the rules get a lot weirder.

>>48608456
Aye this has got to be something up grandpa Lich's alley, an insane experiment no one has attempted before

>>48608456
>Sic Brigette on the ressurection of faery research quest.

...I don't know why, but I have a feeling we'll end up accidentally giving Silence a soul somehow.

>>48609153
Well, we have the innocent soul on the Warehouse level, though that would come with it's own cost...

>>48609153
>>48609212
Nah, just cram Cherry in there, should work.

>>48609269
Sure. Cherry is undead, and that's basically the same as life, and Silence needs life to make her good again. This is a totally logical course of action I back because I want to watch the world burn.

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>>48609269
Yeah I mean, body without a soul, soul without a body, basic math really.

>>48609269
>>48609630
>>48609636
>>48609812
No, bad! That way lies zombie armies.

Two hours and change to call, possibly plus or minus the other thing I have to do tonight.

>>48606526
ooooh, ship of Theseus problem

At this point, it would be safer to cut off her head now, stick it in a jar that keeps it functioning and supplied with oxygen, and turn her body into a cyborg using cheaty wraithsteel.

>.....her brain IS intact, right? No head injuries? How long has it been?
>If we cock this up, it won't be Silence that wakes up. It'll just be the wraithsteel using her body like a puppet.

On my way home, see you in thirty or so.

Aight, so from the looks of things the general sentiment is 'don't get his hopes up, listen to Silence's message, approach this with an eye to the potential consequences'.

Called, writing.

>>48614918
The general sentiment is "don't just kill off golden waifu quietly offscreen as an unforeseeable consequence, at least give us a chance to save her"

>>48615280
>unforeseeable
I dunno, i was thinking about a lot of things during Jack's pov.

>>48615280
War is war, and I'm surprised that Necrofowl Inc. has managed to go through the meatgrinder and come out the other side intact (well, mostly). Hell, I should have started bets on who would be the first to get the axe.

>>48607221
Pretty much this.

>>48606526
Okay, I'm about to break the fourth wall a little; would it be possible to create a kind-of broad life-exchange with volunteer miners offering small pieces of their own lives to help revive Silence?

That damn triage network is a fucking cool idea, lich. I want one for the home team.

>>48616088
Sure, just tell them to clap their hands if they believe in faeries.

>>48616160
But faeries are real anon, didn't you know that?

>>48616204
Of course I knew that, asshole, that's why we're clapping our fucking hands!

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>>48616235
In that case. TAKE MY CLAPS!

>>48616235
Hey anon; what's the sound of one hand clapping?

>>48616646
Snapping fingers?

>>48616646
Cl. The other hand makes the ap.

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>>48606526
"You're making a lot of assumptions, Vik," you warn the man. "...She's my friend too. I don't want her dead, but you're overlooking a lot of really awful possibilities. What if the thing we bring back isn't Silence? What if she was happy being dead and she resents living again?"

Vik scoffs.

"Laugh it up, I've seen it happen," you snap. "You're asking me to do something that may have never been done before, to a being I know phenomenally little about - a /sapient being/, mind you, whose very existence you're thrusting into my hands like a child with a broken toy. You'll treat this request with the gravity it deserves."

Vik folds his arms, but you've got his attention. Good.

"I want to read this message she left me," you tell him flatly. "And I want more information. How is her body?"

"Intact," Vik confirms. "...And you can't /read/ the message. But you can hear it. Come with me."

You're a bit surprised to find that Silence's body has been nestled next to the entrance into the Roost, not even five feet from the transition. She's been rolled onto her back, her eyes have been closed, her hands laid across her breast, but other than that she hasn't been touched. Rust colors her veins, and blue blood stains her clothes, is splashed on the stones near her corpse. You kneel down next to her, but your suspicions are confirmed nearly immediately: she's dead, or whatever it is fairies get.

"Where's her message?" you ask. In answer, Silence's face sculpts itself out of the nearby stone, with polished onyx for eyes. You bite your lip as she starts to speak.

"Don't interrupt," she says in a weak voice. "This is just something I've left behind. I'm not actually here, Brianna. I'm pretty sure I'm about to die."

The voice pauses to cough; the sound is wet, and ragged. "It's been interesting times. You know, I always figured I'd be murdered in my sleep by some Mine Boss sick of my shit. It's nice...it's nice to die doing something good for others."

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>>48616916
"I bet you've guessed that I can be a real bitch," Silence continues, her voice pained with the effort it takes to speak. "I made my peace with that. This hurts a lot, Bri. Maybe it's justice for the folks I've wronged over the years, but, maybe not. There's a lotta years, and a lotta wronged. So I'm gonna be a bitch again, and try to do somethin' decent with my death. Vik gets all of my shit. All of it. He's the Boss now. You tell him, he's the Boss, and he better look after my boys. The gold on my body is his too, but he has to keep my word. He has to help you out. I promised, and I won't be forsworn. Never in life, and not now in death."

"Damn you," Vik whispers, his throat tight.

"You take my bones, corpsefucker. Give 'em to that smith of yours. Make something handy. They should forge like steel, if I'm hearing the Mine right. If I'm not just crazy with the iron and the pain and...and everything else."

"Nobody rules the Dungeon," Silence whispers. "But if someone did, you might not be too bad a choice. Throw me a drunken wake, necromancer, and kill that damn geargrinder in agony for me, and we're square. You have a nice life without me."

The face melts back into the stone, leaving you, and Vik, and Silence's corpse. The man weeps, quietly, and looks down at her remains.

> Talk to Flitter about Vik's plan
> It sounds like she made her peace with death, Vik. I don't want to do this.
> Did you know about this when you asked me?
> Write-in?

>>48616972
>> Did you know about this when you asked me?

And my hope was extinguished, alas.

I didn't need this at 4 in the morning.

I need to crawl into bed and die now. Votes remain open.

Questions, comments, discussion, feedback, and criticisms remain welcome and appreciated.

Thank you all for reading and participating!

>>48616972
>> Did you know about this when you asked me?

>>48616972
> "I know she was..important to you, Vik. And she was a good friend to me and mine. Would I like to have her back? Gods yes. But she found a certain..satisfaction, a contentment. That in giving her life she saved many others. There's not many out there who get to die at their best."
> "All we can do for her now is make sure that her sacrifice was worthwhile, to free the Dungeon from the bastards that did this. If you want, I would be glad to have you and your men with us when we hunt the fuckers down. But right now, I'm going to ask that you help me dig a proper resting place for our friend. Say our goodbye's, then we go to the Saloon and drown our tears."

Dammit Vox, this sucks. I still remember the deal Bri and Silence struck, and how the Mine was /happy/.

No mercy for the Librarian. That Skynet-wannabe and all his clockwork people burn. There will be nothing left of his works, his legacy, save for Silence.

>>48616972
Oh, fuck this, fuck you, god fucking DAMNIT

>>48616972
> Write-in?
>I wouldn't even dare, Vik. She's made her peace, but more importantly, she's given me her last will and tstament to enact, and I'm going to do as she asked....because she asked me to do it. We made a bargain....and the mine was involved in that bargain. I am NOT going to piss off the Mine by pretending I know better than she does.

>>48617188
Seconding.

Since it's now unavoidable that Silence is gone, maybe we can do one last thing for her and the Mine.

A single, unadorned church bell forged from Wraithsteel. A symbol to represent all that the Mine has lost, and all that it has gained. Named for the brave Fae who gave up her place in the Mistlands for some Roosters and a Dungeon.

>>48617929
....you want to make a bell that intones in sonorous silence rather than sound? You want to make Old Tom.

>>48617929
>>48617973
A bell that will never toll

arent you a fucking poet

>>48617975
>A bell that will never toll
you misunderstand. read up on Old Tom, it doesn't "just" never toll.

>>48617989
Link?

>>48617973
>>48617975
You misunderstand; the bell would be forged from Wraithsteel, which is basically magic metal.

I was trying to lead towards maybe giving the Mine something to 'speak' through, or something poignant in remembrance of the Fae.

>>48618019
This is the only Old Tom I can think of that fits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Tower

>>48618019
http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Old_Tom

It was weird, I was playing my music on random when this song came on. Felt appropriate for Silence. Or maybe I'm just dead on my feet and slightly drunk. Probably that last one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmKaomo5Y8Y

>>48618059
>not the Sound of Silence by Disturbed
Fail.

>>48618078
Eh, tastes vary. But it was the lyrics that struck me as fitting.

... Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
When I come home cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away, across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell...

>>48618123
Good point.

>>48616972
>Write-in?
>"Vik, I am truly sorry for your... /our/ loss I may have only known her a short while but in that time I came to regard her as someone I can trust, someone I would share my sorrows with, a good friend, and I cannot in good conscience do what you are asking of me."
>Offer the man a shoulder to mourn on.

I think we should ask the Mine if it would like to set up a spot for Silence, after we have taken the bones and gold, there will still be flesh that needs a proper burial.

>>48618323
Actually, right there, where she chose to expire, is probably the very best place.

Because who knows what might result from it.

>>48618669
Shut up, !Vaelys. It's a fucking war, there will be casualties, man the fuck up or get the fuck out. Shit happens off screen, regardless of how much time, effort and money you pump into it.

Bri has bigger balls than you do.

>>48618699
I believe anon may have been referring to the Librarian.

I really like the idea of a bell memorial, in a part of the Mine which never changes.

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>>48619323
>>48618669

Oh, in that case, my apologies, and have a rare XS sketch.

>>48618078
Vox already got that one in the thread title.

>>48619815
Also Disturbed's cover a shit. Gimme original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4

>>48619828
Disturbed's cover is way more appealing.

I need to AFK for awhile and then Prevent Homelessness. I'll call and write when I get back, whenever that is.

>>48616972
> Write-in?
"It seems she's made peace with her death, Vik. Do you really want me to bring her back?"

He's probably gonna say yes, which is good.
Fuck this, Vox. Don't kill important and interesting characters off screen and expect us not to do anything about it.

>>48616972
>> Did you know about this when you asked me?

>>48616972
> Did you know about this when you asked me?

I still don't want to reject out of hand that there's nothing to be done about Silence, until we're sure she's all the way dead, instead of only mostly dead

>>48616972
>> Did you know about this when you asked me?

>>48621754
She asked us to dissect her and give her parts away, and make things out of her bones, anon. She's pretty fucking dead.

Okay, I'm backish. Need to prevent homelessness and then I'm good.

>>48622407
yeah but she's fae, we don't really know how they work.

>>48616972
> It sounds like she made her peace with death, Vik. I don't want to do this.

Guess this is what we get for ditching the Roost.

Well, tough shit. I'm not dragging back someone who has made their peace and left their will. Zombie Armies, remember? We have to accept that death happens.

>>48620819
This is how narrative games work. Otherwise we could have rolled or something, but nope! Choices have to have consequences or else there's no point

>>48622500
Silence knows how she works well enough to believe that it's culturally acceptable to offer your body parts and pieces to other people for use as wealth and weapons. Even if we did manage to contact her beyond whatever serves as death, I doubt anything good would come of it.

>>48622767
she was delirious with iron poisoning by her own admittance

>>48622500
Yeah, but you're a necromancer - you know dead. What being dead /means/ to her is up in the air, but she's definitely dead.

Some things that need to change- we assumed that the other chain holders would be more focused on their own defense, but we also assumed that if attacks were made the levels would be able to protect themselves

Obviously these are now groundless assumptions.

This is a war, and that means we can't leave our forces spread out and directionless. Esach liberated level of the dungeon needs to prepare defenses at their entrances and exits. Allied fighters need to be collected and stationed in the most recently freed and therefore most vulnerable parts of the territory. We can't just have people dicking around. If there had been Rose cultists and goblins in the roost or warehouse this fight could have gone a whole lot differently.

As I see it, there's no harm in seeing if we can bring Silence back — either she's dead for good, and she's fae so it's not like we'd be disturbing her afterlife, or she's only mostly dead and we have a chance to revive her. I doubt she'd mind, and if she does, we can sort that out with her then.

>>48623748
Is there anything to even communicate with? Ghosts are souls. Fae have none. How can we contact her at all?

>>48623453
I wonder if any of the other floor s have books from the Atheneum. They may try teleporting attackers or spies.

>>48623748
Normally, I'd disagree. Life for the living, etc. But Silence is a fun character and died a senseless death. Let's give it a shot. Do we know any other fey besides Jack's pixie? I doubt she'll be coherent enough to be useful.

We need defense leaders for each floor, and a dedicated leader for dungeon defense.
along with this
>>48623453

>>48624237
Senseless? She just fucking told us what a great death she had.

>>48624262
I still say that we need to ask for support from the surface or at the very least, the labyrinth clan. There must be an experienced commander, a strategist or even a fucking tactician on the surface who'd go down to us for a few coins or a title.

>>48623923
We could try getting the iron out of her body and see if that helps. Wouldn't her body normally have disappeared by now or something if she was irrecoverably dead?

>>48624341
I think the other fairy that Jack owed a soul to didn't leave a body, so maybe?

>>48624341
I'm willing to try and purge the iron but not so keen on pumping her full of wraith steel.

>>48622755
Choices should have TELEGRAPHED consequences. My life has enough random depressing bullshit as is, I don't need it in my escapism

>>48624851
please don't bring your personal issues into this

ITT: Anon misses the entire point of the Main Characters ethos and the Quest.

Learn to let shit go when it's time, you faggots. We say this to others all the time, but now that it's someone you care about you suddenly want to throw that all out the window?

You're all terrible.

What, did you think abandoning the Roost would only have consequences for the people we didn't know and therefore care about? Thinking about all those who would have died without Silence sacrificing herself is just too hard?

You're terrible, terrible people.

Homelessness prevented at long fucking last. Called, tallying, writing.

>>48625694
You spend a lot of time preventing homelessness. If you just became homeless, you could spend that time writing quest, instead!

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>>48625694
god bless

>>48626087
AND RISK LOSING OUR SKELLYMAN TO A WILD DOG AND OR HOBO?! YOUR MAD!

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>>48625655
There's a difference though. Resurrecting the flesh and blood people would be wrong, but again since Silence is a fae she's occupying a nebulous sort of position on the scale of death

>>48625655
If she had a spirit in the afterlife that might be disturbed by trying to bring her back, I'd agree. Since she doesn't, the worst that could happen is she'll stay dead.

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>>48616972
That fucking feel when respecting her death won by /one/ vote. I'm genuinely surprised.

You put a hand on Vik's shoulder and squeeze gently. The Miner lets you draw him into a gentle hug and lets the grief come out. He's probably been holding onto this ever since Silence died, and you know from bitter experience how important it is to just have some time to hate the unfairness of it all.

"You heard the woman," you murmur to him. "You're the Boss now."

"I don't /want/ to be the Boss. I want Silence back," he whispers, his voice tight with grief.

"So do I," you tell him quietly. "But you heard what she said. And coupled with the risks, the potential for harm...I can't conscience trying to bring her back, Vik. And she might not forgive you for it."

"I didn't even get to say goodbye," the Mine Boss sobs. You hum, softly, and let him cry, because there's not much better you can do for him right now.

"Not a lot of people get the chance to die at their best," you tell the man, when he's quiet at last. "Not a lot of people get to choose the time and place of their death. I promise you, no one will forget Silence. Not in the Roost, and not in the Mine. You'll have your revenge for this, Vik."

"Good," he whispers. He pulls out of the hug and kneels next to Silence's body. His fingers trace the gold on her body. "...It seems disrespectful to just carve her up."

"She did literally tell us to," you point out. "And by making something of her bones, she can help avenge herself on her killers."

"...Alright. Do it. Do what you have to with her, when you're ready, and we'll bury the rest here in the Mine. It was her friend. And - la Croix?"

"Yeah?" you ask, adjusting your hat because the familiar motion is helping to keep you from breaking down when Vik needs you.

"We've got your spider parts. She was rather insistent that you get them the next time we saw you."

>>48626754
People are stupid and don't pay attention to their own rules, glad the right side won.

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>>48626754
"I'll come back and get it. When we have Silence's wake," you tell him. "We're going to have folks heading through to the Roost, led by my sister. Can you and your boys make sure they get there alright?"

"Consider it done."

You shake hands with Vik and give him one last brief hug. "I'll be back to attend to her rest," you tell him softly.

"I'll be waiting."

The Roost is relatively quiet when you descend into it. You take in the murders of harpies lining the walls, tired but vigilant, and the dwarves that work on shoring up and expanding stone defenses clearly erected by Silence's power to form cover between lower attackers and the higher harpies. The place reeks of fresh death and fury, and you develop a headache in short order trying to move through it. You can see Meadows, as well as Jewel, on the far side of the central shaft tending to the wounded.

Dozens of those harpies are there, cradling crippled wings. More than one sits curled-up on a cot or bed with her wings removed entirely, distant expressions of horror on their faces. They keep moving their shoulders and sobbing.

You hear the buzzing of wings before you Flitter appears in your view, zipping in from above. Behind her is the spectral form of Jack the Debtor, his clothes dripping phantasmal water. You can see the bloody rent in his chest where something pierced his lungs, catch the handle of the pick that sticks out of his back. He looks...protective.

"It was the Librarian," Flitter spits.

"I know," you murmur. "He'll get his when it's time. We need the Cornucopia secure first."

"What can I do?"

"...You got an opinion, Jack?" you ask the ghost.

"I want her to stay safe," the ghost insists fiercely, as though he expects you to throw her into the front lines immediately.

>>48627061
> I need someone to coordinate the defense of the Warehouse. That someone can be you, if you want it.
> I'm going to be sending a team to the Sunless Sea to find things out while I'm busy. There's a slot there if you want one.
> Brigette's going to need a research assistant. I believe you helped Jack with that kind of thing?
> Write-in?

>>48627093
>I need someone to coordinate the defense of the Warehouse. That someone can be you, if you want it.
I don't think pissing off the fresh dead would do Flitter any favors, he seems like a grundgy guardian spirit so if can help her keep things in order, all the better.
>>48627061
Also why no reaction to Jack being a ghost?

>>48627258
Because it's not particularly surprising to Bri and picking a fight over it with Flitter is at the bottom of the list of things she'd like to do today.

>>48627284
Fair enough.

>>48626754
>>48627061

I don't really see that. Most people are still for researching in whether or not this will be reversible as easily as pumping the iron out of her, just that we don't want to do that right now before knowing what the consequences are

>>48627436
Can we have a vote to clarify with this actually?

I need to know whether we're going to leave her to be dead dead, or whether this is just 'until more facts are gathered we have to assume the worst'

>>48627093
>>48627469
'm not going to vote on this until we settle the matter of silence

>>48627436
>>48627469
>>48627496
I tallied the following as various shades of, "Respect her death; follow through with her will."

>>48617188
>>48617346
>>48617746
>>48618143
>>48620819
>>48622728

Vs. five votes for "did you know about this when you asked me?". The sentiment seemed fairly clear to me, anons.

>>48627581
I thought

"Did you know this when you asked me?"

meant literally Ask if this guy knew this when he asked. That's it. Asking for more information

>>48627581
Yeah but all of those were different write ins. If I knew that each of them were being counted as a conglomerate vote towards a single distinct option I would have voiced an opinion towards "Did you know about this when you asked me?"

>>48627615
It did, but the votes broke in the direction of 'I'm not doing this."

>>48627659
I'd ask that you final destination this

>>48627659
>>48627581

I wasn't really aware that it would be so final, or that we'd abandon even just doing the courtesy of looking into whether or not it would be possible to heal/rejuvenate her

>>48627652
>>48627685
>>48627709
...It's not like this is the first time I've done such a thing with similar write-ins, anons. But. Okay, I'd been intending on doing some vidya while I let the votes come in. I'ma go do that vidya and consider this while the discussion continues, alright? It's been a helluva day thus far and I need a bit of mindless violence in my life here.

>>48627093
>> I need someone to coordinate the defense of the Warehouse. That someone can be you, if you want it. You two know the place and I'll get Brigette to find some leaflet in Atheneum for emergencies.

>>48627751
Alright. I feel that we should do more research on the nature of Fae souls and their death since this is something that Bri cannonically knows very little about.

It would make all the time and energy we put into healing her, an action during which we sustained wounds that are still cumulatively affecting us, inherently pointless if Silence could be true resurrected as simply as removing the iron from her body.

Maybe that's not possible, but the point is that don't know if it's not.

I'm fine with not getting anyone's hopes up, and if the resurrection process comes with a major risk of making the woman into something she's not I'd be against it. But we at least owe her the courtesy of trying to see if it's possible or not.


This isn't like using necromancy to bring back someone from their earned peace. This is like checking to see if a coma patient actually is dead before pulling the plug.

To destroy the fae's body for spare parts, even if it's her final wishes, would be ultimately going against Bri's character because, and this is the important part, she goes out of her way to save people, even when they don't believe they're worth saving.

>>48627845
plus we literally have Flicker to find out more about what happens to fae creatures when they die, along the entirety of the library's collected knowledge at our finger tips to see if this has ever been attempted before

It would literally only take maybe a twenty minute conversation with the fairy and asking Brigette and Natalie to do some fact checking for us to figure this situation out

>>48627845
This makes sense. Where do we start with the research? The Caretaker? Even if he doesn't know, he should at least know where to look.

>>48627889
Flicker is a good source, but she may not be receptive to probing questions about death right now, what with Jack and all. We'll need to tread carefully.

>>48627845
I'm not against this option as long as we all agree that if there is nothing to be done, we let this go.

Sometimes people die in circumstances beyond our control. It's not a good idea to drop everything just because one of them happened to be our friend

>>48627921
Not that many other fae in the dungeon and we need someone with actual details rather then second hand facts. Though there are a few things that could at least provide us with more information about fae death.

What happened to the body of the fairy lord killed in the warehouse anyway?

>>48628066
If you recall, Lora shattered him and left his ruin all over the place. He was swept up and claimed by the people that dwell there.

>>48628101
Finding a couple of pieces of his body wouldn't be too hard then if we want to conduct research into this area

>>48627845
I just don't want to get this guy's hopes up. It feels kind of shitty to suddenly change tracks on this after we got him to start the process of letting go of her. Maybe it's better to not get his hopes up and keep this to ourselves until we have a more definitive answer?

>>48628012
This right here is the crux. We honestly don't know what the options are here. So, we do our research and discover what is viable. And if she's gone, she's gone. But at least we'll /know/. We could even consider this a learning experience of sorts.

>>48628208
Given the assault that just happened, I'd say we can't afford the time to research it ourselves. If we're really going to push this route, leave Jack, Flitter, and Brigette to research the issue while we take the Cornucopia.

On that note, >>48627093
>> Brigette's going to need a research assistant. I believe you helped Jack with that kind of thing?
Not because I'm trying to bring Silence back back with all my might, but because it'll cause the least amount of trouble with Jack. Besides, there's a non-zero chance the Athenaeum could be attacked.

Okay, that's not what I'd been thinking folks had wanted. I can work in discussion and research pretty easily, aye. I'll take that as part of the next update and give y'all another twenty to vote in for this vote.

>>48628370
>Voting for research assistant too

>>48627093
>Warehouse defenses or Research assistant, whichever she has a preference for

While we're looking into Silence's resurrection we should make sure her body is guarded against decomposition. Preserved

>>48629365
Personally I remember Roberts warning about resurrecting angels.

If we are going to look further into it we should probably ask our dead family members about it.

Although personally I find throwing away our morals and Silence's wishes for sentimentality to be pretty grody for our character.

Death comes to everyone eventually.

>>48629485
The fae are an exception to this rule. as they are to many.

>>48629485
We've rezed people before; Remember how we came to the dungeon in the first place? It was different, yes, but still noteworthy. Also, apparently, the Fey have an unusual arrangement with death. We're trying to figure out /if/ she's actually gone or not.

Aight, research assistant won out. I'ma go acquire some moonshine and write.

>>48629485
Angels aren't all that similar to fey here, are they? They're from different mythologies and all that...

>>48629899
Just so you know, this is what killed HQR. Anon being unable to accept the consequence of their actions, and complaining until they got their special hand outs.

God I hope this doesn't go the way of HQR.

>>48630104
I have no idea what HQR is.

I /do/ have Kraken instead of moonshine.

Writing.

>>48630272
Hollow Quest Redux. QM caved and gave the players a retcon, then two, then three, and so on. I'm like 80% sure somebody already told you about it.

>>48622755
Excuse me, what choice was it that we did that made silence die?

>>48631085
I think staying to guard the warehouse and failing to stop the Librarian'a attack.

>>48631119
sounds about right. I wouldn't want to think about what would happen if they got the food supply, or any artefacts laying around.

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>>48630272
So, Vox, quick question.You kill silence in a way that would make it almost impossible for us to bring her back and stay in character: did you do this because you didn't like Silence's character, or because you though there need to be more arguments that you railroad?

>>48631212
I can't answer this until you can tell me why that man's scythe is upside-down.

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>>48631229
I do not know why Ankou's scythe is upside down.

I have taken your question seriously. Now, will you do the same for MY question!?

>>48631313
>>48631212
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankou alot of art seems to protray them with upside down scythes

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Vox, if we had brought Silence back, she would have ended up like Nail, wouldn't she?

>>48631229
Scythe were made for harvesting grain, right? Maybe that one is meant to cut by pushing instead of pulling. Like, you would grab a handful of wheat or something and push the blade into the stem near the ground.

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>>48627093
You sigh. "Before I decide anything, we need to talk. About the Roost, and the Warehouse, and what happened. And...I need to know more about how fey die. And what happens to them when you do."

Jack bristles, but Flitter holds up a hand. "It's okay," she murmurs, gently. "Silence died, remember? That's what you're asking about."

"It is," you agree. You lean back against the wall, and Flitter alights on your shoulder. Jack folds his arms, watchful and wary.

That man did not have a good death. He's gonna be your problem sooner rather than later, you think.

"Here, lemme show you something," Flitter says. You turn your head and see her snap a tiny witchlight into being before pressing her hand against the wall. She traces it with a razor-thin beam of light, leaving a perfect impression of her splayed fingers, her tiny palm.

"That's my hand," she says, gesturing.

"No it's not," you tell her. "That's an outline of your hand."

"So it is," she agrees pleasantly. The thin lance of light dances inside of it, filling in the lines of her hand, the whorls of her fingerprints, the creases and little scars. "Now it's my hand."

"...No, it's a carving of your hand. An echo."

"Huh," Flitter says. She looks back at you, with shadows in her little eyes. "So it is. But it'll outlast my hand, won't it? This echo will be here after I'm gone, lingering. It'll tell people something about me." The pixie points to her intricate carving. "We die like that. We don't have souls, like you do. We're not eternal, like you are, or...well, or might be. Who knows, maybe a second death awaits you in the Sunless Lands, but the point is, the point is, that's not us. But something /of/ us stays behind. Echoes. Imprints. Carvings. We have minds, wills, and they affect our environment. Our oaths, too. Silence, she was Courtless. She served the Mine. And she died fulfilling her oath, so something of her will always be there. Her troth, her influence, her love of it."

>>48631581
I swear to god Vox, if this ends up being "she'll always be alive in our hearts"...

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>>48631581
"...A little bit of wine, floating in the water of our world?" you ask.

"I always did love that metaphor," Flitter says wistfully. "...Yeah. If she were without a liege, without an oath, she probably would have dissolved away into nothing. As it is, she has something of the Mine in her, making her like it, and it like her. You could probably forge her bones, actually."

"She said," you murmur. "...Has a fairy ever been brought back from the dead?"

"I told you, we're not eternal," Flitter says. "...But...sort of."

"Tell me everything you know," you demand.

"I don't! The rules are different here! In the Mistlands if your home ground swears in its name that it won't let you die, you just /don't/, no matter how often or fatally you're killed! But that world is different, those /rules/ are different. Silence wasn't bean sidhe, she's not a friend of death. But she /was/ a friend of the Mine, and the Mine serves death. I don't...I don't /know. Maybe ask the angel?"

"The angel doesn't know," you say with a sigh. "Silence isn't hers."

"...If I mine gold ore, and I smelt it, is it still gold?" Flitter asks.

"Sure," you answer.

"Did I still change it?" the pixie presses.

You pause, and think about it. "...You did," you decide. "The impurities were a part of it. When you removed them, you destroyed part of what made the gold who it is."

Flitter points, up towards the direction of the Mine. "So if you smelt her down and try to make her into herself, what does she lose?"

"How do you know so much about life and death?" you ask.

Flitter laughs, and then she sighs. "I was bean sidhe," she says. "Gave up the job ages ago. Ages and ages ago. It's a hard thing, being a friend of death."

"Don't I know it. Would you want to be brought back, if you were her?"

>>48631731
No its gonna be "She'll always be alive in the mine. Like shit dude her face came out of the wall."

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>>48631736
"I wouldn't be able to tell you," Flitter admits. "I'm not sure it's ever been done. I'm not sure it /can/ be done. You might just get someone new, wearing her face. A fairy daughter, made after a carving of a hand. I don't think the idea that she could come back ever crossed her mind."

"So you wouldn't do it."

"Didn't say that," Flitter says quietly. Her wings buzz, uncertainly. "Who dares, wins, right? But...I dunno. Maybe the question you should be asking is what you'd do to everyone who knew and loved her."

You slump against the wall and slowly slide down to take a seat. Flitter pats your ear, sympathetically.

"I just got done telling Vik to make peace with her death," you tell Flitter at last. "Maybe I ought to leave it at that."

"If I take that gold and make it into a knife, is it still gold?" the pixie asks, gently.

"...What are you implying?"

"Where do you think the talking mirrors and sapient swords come from, necromancer?" the pixie asks pointedly.

"That's /sick/."

"To you."

You let out a long breath. "Brigette's going to need a research assistant. And someone to help her protect the Athenaeum. I'd like that to be you."

Flitter frowns, but then she nods. "Alright. Once we're done here in the Roost. A lot of harpies got crippled, Brianna. Those damn geargrinders were aiming for their wings. It would have been a lot worse without Silence and Natalia."

"I'll deal with that in a minute," you tell her, with a heavy feeling in your breast.

> Try to bring Silence back
> Leave her to her death

>>48631212
>>48631313
The chance for her to get taken out in the attack was always there. She was one of the priority targets; the remaining Chain-Bearers don't want her on Bri's side. When you prioritized the Warehouse's supplies, she was left to hold the Roost mainly on her own.

As for bringing her back and staying in-character, let us say that I had a question on that score, which is in the process of being answered.

>>48631852
Why didn't Bri ask her about the idea to replace the iron with wraithsteel?

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back
Best case scenario, and this works correctly, we bring her back.
Worst case scenario, and we bring something back that isn't Silence, well, at least we made something useful from her bones.

>>48631902
Mainly because that idea is sound in itself. It doesn't need questioning; it /will/ infuse the body with what remains of the wraithsteel's life. The trouble there, mind, is that the wraithsteel remembers being a giant sound-blasting snake.

>>48631918
What about supplementing it with or using the innocent soul from the warehouse instead?

>>48631954
That's probably an even worse idea.

>>48631852
well now I don't feel comfortable with using her body for parts, even if we don't end up bringing her back.

>>48631968
How so? The problem with the wraithsteel is that it remembers being a snake

The innocent soul remembers nothing. It's just a blank template.

>>48631954
That is very definitely going to get you something that isn't Silence. Remember, the Lord of Painted Glass was so sure he'd be destroyed beyond recognition that he would rather see Jack die with him than accept the loophole - /and Jack agreed on the facts of the matter/. Even if whatever resulted came back to true life, it wouldn't be Silence. It likely wouldn't even be fey.

>>48631992
because giving silence a soul would make her a completely different person. There's a reason the Lord of Painted Glass didn't want a soul.

>>48631852
>> Leave her to her death

>>48632017
>>48631999
No no, what we do is we use the innocent soul to draw out the wraithsteel's snake..snakeness, like using flux to draw the impurities from iron

what should be left is just raw wraithsteel

>>48631852
> Leave her to her death

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back

>>48631852
>> Try to bring Silence back

>>48631852
> Leave her to her death

>>48631852
>Leave her to her death

>>48632059
An intriguing proposition, but considering who are the people important to Silence and vice versa, I wouldn't do it.

I would back it only to see if it could be done, and that's not fair to Silence.

>>48631852
>Try to bring Silence back

>>48631852
alright. SIlence gave us her body do with to make something new, didn't she?

Well. I feel much more comfortable using her to make her a daughter rather then turnging her into a weapon.

SIlence shouldn't be rendered down into things, she should be made into new life. Something for the people she loved to remember her by.

Basically, if she's Rose Quartz and we end up with Steven by the end of this I would consider it to be a much more preferable outcome then getting new armor or a sword

>>48632134
>that's not fair to Silence.
She told us to make something useful from her corpse. She's pretty useful, imo

>>48632167
There's a reference here that I'm not getting. If there's meant to be a vote here, you also need to greentext it.

Who would raise Silence's daughter? Is Bri really in a position to do that?

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back

>>48632199
The reference is from Steven Universe, an otherwise terrible cartoon with a pretty interesting setting about holographic silica-based alien life forms.

anon seems to be implying using the innocent soul on Silence's body, creating new life, and using this as the "useful thing" Silence wanted.

>>48632199
>Try to bring her back or use her body to make a new person

It's a reference to Steven Universe. Basically, to make a long story short, the main character's mother is a magic woman who is basically immortal. She gives up her life to bring her son Steven into the world, so he can basically be half magic and half human.

It's not a one to one comparison by a long shot but... I thought the situation was comparable. Vik is the one who'd be affected by this most considering he was in love with her

>>48631852
> Leave her to her death

>>48631852
>Try to bring Silence back

A final destination vote might be useful here. Does Vox know how they work? I'm not sure that he read any other quests.

>>48632309
we do have a final destination vote going here

the choice is pretty binary.

>>48631852
>Leave silence to the death she specifically requested of us.

She left a will and a testament, she is very much aware of how much information and power we can get, and she is perfectly aware that there are people who would want her bbrought back.

She wants a wake, she wants her body distributed, she wants her bones forged.

She ASKED to be left dead.

>>48632324
The voting period's too long to prevent people from voting multiple times, and votes with additional comments are counted.

>>48632329
Well, she also left us her body and asked that it be made into something useful

Technically speaking it's not a violation of her wishes

>>48632366
Should we just do our own final destination vote?

>>48632329
When you're immortal, you realize that all deaths are the same. The only thing to do is pick a good ending that makes it worth it.

Everyone here wants to twist the echoes Silence left behind. To pervert them in a selfish act of "love".

>>48631852

> Leave her to her death

Show some respect.

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back
We have a golden opportunity to bring silence back into the story. Why are we not taking it?

>>48632380
If Vox doesn't start it, I'm not sure that the othersame will vote, and then the losers will argue about how the vote didn't count and if the winners lose Vox'so actual vote they will argue that since they won the final destination vote they should have their choice picked. I really don't want to create another shitstorm.

Vox, this is how a final destination vote works

1 for one option, 2 for the other. people vote only by posting the number. no other words.

people have 5 minutes to vote. votes are counted after EXACTLY 5 minutes.

please set this up

>>48631852
goddamnit flicker all you did was tell us what we already knew

"Probably not but maybe yes?"" is all I'm getting from this.

Well no, scratch that. Ship of theseus stuff and that Japanese thing where if you break a pot and glue it back together it's not the same pot is there too

What makes this heard is if we resurrect her and it fails it's not like we made a zombie. We'll have made a new, different person.

>>48632458
if it succeeds not fails, typo on my part

>>48632458
>We'll have made a new, different person
WHICH IS A GOOD THING!
a new, different person is a useful thing, just like what Silence wanted.

>>48632374
If you want to forge her bones into another clockwork, or use the gold and bones to make somethign like it, and imbue it with the innocent soul, with the permission of those who those things belong to, that's one thing.

But trying to 'reincarnate Silence' as a 'daughter' is pretty much cheating Silence of the intent of her requests.

And perhaps, just perhaps, she might know somethign more than we do. She gave Brianna her bones to work with. Specifically, she told Bri to make something handy with them. And most important of all, she said "you have a nice life without me".

If we bring anything back, it's not going to be Silence, and chances are really good that it won't be happy.

>>48631852
>> Leave her to her death

>>48631852
>Try to bring Silence back

>>48632187
That is just selfishness, pure ego.

You're not arguing that it's MORE useful than the alternatives, you're trying to justify an action you already believe is "right".

>>48632443
Also Vox, this works by making 4chan block identical posts from the same user, making cheating by voting multiple times more difficult.

>>48631852
>> Leave her to her death
doing otherwise goes against most everything Bri preaches to everybody else.

>>48632443
Do I really have to? I don't /like/ feeling like I can't trust you guys or treating you like I can't trust you. Folks have played fair thus far, with the one exception.

Oi. Gimmie a few to think about it.

I don't think Vik would view using her body and bones to make a faery daughter as a good thing.

We're drowning in responsibility already, and if we make a new life, we're responsible for that life. We're barely able to be responsible for the lives we love and have now - River, Bridgette, Cherry, et. al. We can't raise a faery daughter in the current environment! And creating that new life and then handing her over to someone else is fucking disgusting - it's an obscenity.

>>48632526
Vox, this feels like it'll be another exception. Sorry.

>>48631852
>> Leave her to her death
And there's our answer. /If/ we 'succeeded' (by whatever method) of 'resurrecting' her, it would be a different person entirely.

>>48632512
>>48632521
Silence was killed offscreen, and Vox does the best possible thing: he gives us a chance to bring her back into the story. Ignoring this chance makes no sense.

>>48632526
JESUS FUCK, PLEASE DO IT! YES YOU HAVE TO!
The samefaggotry is through the roof already. please set up the vote. please

>>48632529

Why don't we ask Vik? Give him the option?

Sit him down and tell him taht we don't think we can resurrect the woman he loves. She's gone and nothing and no one can bring her back as she was. But what we can do is use her essence to make something new, and give it a chance to live life.

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back
Don't want Mai Waifu to die

>>48632526
I don't feel like it's necessary. It's not like we're sprouting dozens of more replies then there are posters. The discussion is civil, we're actually in a really interesting moral dilemma and I'm glad we got more information because of it

Whatever we do or don't do I'm glad that you were willing to entertain the request to ask Flicker for input.

>>48632553
And what happens when other friends die offscreen? Will we be bringing them back too? Will we bring back the hundreds of casualties? Will we reforge all the harpies wings?

Silence died because she was one person fighting an army of clockworks geared up to kill her. One person against an army of teleporting clockworks was a death sentence and it makes perfect sense that she Librarian knew her weaknesses and how to deal with her.

There will be more senseless, pointless, cruel, off screen deaths.

It's a war, that's what happens.

>>48632553
>>48632568
She was great, but she's gone. What/whoever we created with her remains would be a different person, forged from her. Not her.

>>48632553
>best possible thing
Mind explaining why? You seem to heavily disagree with Silence's death in itself, and not about whether she should be brought back.

>>48632563
I support this as a third option. The man is in love with Silence right? If anyone has the right to have input on this he does

>Ask Vik. Inform him of all the facts.

So, who do we foist this new life were creating off onto? Has anyone thought of that yet?


How is the MINE going to react when we try to resurrect it's best friend?

>>48632563
That seems like a good idea. We should probably ask others who were close to her as well; Vik isn't the only one who should decide this.

>>48632579
>And what happens when other friends die offscreen? Will we be bringing them back too?
Yes, because they were story-relevent characters who we got emotionally attached too

>Will we bring back the hundreds of casualties? Will we reforge all the harpies wings?
No, because they were random characters who we're not emotionally invested in as readers

>There will be more senseless, pointless, cruel, off screen deaths.
>It's a war, that's what happens.
No, this is a story. A story where Vox shat the bed, but is kind enough to give us an option to undo it without a shitty retcon.

>>48632526
Maybe not when half the player base is asleep though? Or set a time for people to be here for the vote. Otherwise it's kind of shitting on everyone who voted before and went to bed.

>Leave Silence to her death

>>48632553
>he gives us a chance to bring her back into the story. Ignoring this chance makes no sense.
>>48631852
>. I'm not sure it /can/ be done. You might just get someone new, wearing her face. A fairy daughter, made after a carving of a hand. I don't think the idea that she could come back ever crossed her mind.

>what you'd do to everyone who knew and loved her."
>>48631736
>"The impurities were a part of it. When you removed them, you destroyed part of what made the gold who it is."

Silence is dead. resurrection will bring something completely different. She will in essence be a zombie and if we were to do this to other 'unfair' deaths, we would have a zombie army and be labeled the biggest hypocrite there ever was.

This is not a chance to bring back Silence, its a test on if we are faithful to what we are preaching.

>>48632563
Vik is a miner boss, not a necromancer, nor a fae.

I don't think he is in any position to make an informed decision, let alone one untainted by bias. I wonder just how responsible it is to dump that choice on him.

>>48632609
>No, this is a story. A story where Vox shat the bed, but is kind enough to give us an option to undo it without a shitty retcon.
Vaelys tier logic.

Bad things happen to good people because bad things happen to good people.

>>48632609
This isn't a Saturday morning cartoon. We knew that we would be sacrificing people by abandoning the Roost, and that sacrifice happened to include Silence. She had a long life and found a good death, why do you want to warp that? Look at how Jack is already becoming a problem.

>>48632595
>You seem to heavily disagree with Silence's death in itself
It was a stupid death. It happened offscreen, and we weren't able to prevent it with out actions (at least, we didn't know that out action would lead to her death)

>>48632637
The logical jump of protecting the warehouse = silence dies is illogical. We did not know what we were sacrificing by making that choice.

>>48632563
Great. Now who takes care of that new life we're responsible for creating? Brianna? Thats a fucking laugh, she's swamped with responsibility already. What will Nate and Amy think about having a new child they didn't get a say in having created?

Does no one understand that this will be a CHILD WE'RE MAKING?

>>48631852
>>48632563
> Ask Vik. Inform him of all the facts.
If this option doesn't get enough support, my second choice is:
> Try to bring Silence back

>>48632609
>shat the bed
Jesus, if you disagreed so strongly about it, you should have brought it up earlier. Too late to use that perspective now.

>>48632609
.... Have you read ANY of this quest? How often is the word "sacrifice" mentioned? How many times have we told everybody that we need to let the dead stay dead? Why does this being a story mean we get to ignore death?

>>48632631
He's a miner boss yeah but I'm pretty sure he'd understand the facts especially fi they're laid out how the linked posts describe it.

>>48632637
>>48632634
I feel like this isn't a chance to correct a mistake either- Silence dieing, for good or for ill, can't be walked back or retconned. I do feel though that leaving her to death is the 'moral' option though, or that this is an attempt to impress upon us the bleakness of war

This so far has been a very hopeful setting. Just look at what happened with Jewel and Cherry for proof.

I feel like that if we resurrect silence or use her to make new life there's a chance for something bad to happen yes, but there's also a chance for great good to come from it too.

>>48632652
Dude, did you seriously not think that Jack's choices couldn't have resulted in people dying? This was entirely unsurprising.

>>48632656
Vik would raise her in this scenario, as his and Silence's daughter.

>>48632652
>We did not know what we were sacrificing by making that choice.
So? Would you have given up the warehouse if you knew this is what would happen?

>>48631852
>> Leave her to her death
Life is for the living, death is for the dead. As Bri mentioned we'll already get a problem with Jack not staying dead.

>>48632656
>>48632625
We don't *know* it'll be a fairy daughter or someone else that'd come back. Flitter came across as saying she didn't know what would happen, and that creating new life was one possibility. She could come back as herself, or enough of herself to be happy we brought her back.

>>48632625
>his is not a chance to bring back Silence, its a test on if we are faithful to what we are preaching
Excelent. Lets bring her back.
If it turns out that you're right, and Vox puts a 'gotcha' moment right after an unsatisfying death, that would just be another argument to drop the quest.

>>48632661
I've been arguing that ever since >>48631212

>>48632684
It would have resulted in people dying. I did not think it would result in important characters having unsatisfying deaths off screen.
I'm no fan of plot armor, but I at least want a heads up before the chance of important characters dying is a thing.

>>48632688
In a heartbeat.

>>48632637
Silence is gone, I accept that.
Here's the thing though: Anons get attached to named characters. The choice was not telegraphed as risking named characters. If there'd been a proper understanding of the risk, or if Vox had a history of ruthless consequences for single actions, anons would have been more wary in the voting. And if named characters had died anyway, it would have stung, yes but we would have accepted it..

>>48632699
FUCKING THIS

>>48632685
Single father.

In an industrial workplace with hardly any teachers nor other children.

Nobody there knows jack shit about fae, and how to raise them.

>>48632710
He's now boss, and has all of Silence's worldy possesions

>>48632699
Pretty much this to be honest.

I still say she should stay dead though.

>>48632690
eh, while I agree with that sentiment I feel like it doesn't apply to this case.

Silence isn't dead because she was never alive in the same sense the rest of the characters are. She doesn't have a soul.

To make a comparison, mortals are like lightbulbs. Once they break, they break, and taking apart the light bulb and putting it back together is dangerous and irresponsible.

Fae are more like lanterns. Silence's light is gone but the wick is still there. If we light the wick again will it bring the same light something different? We don't know

We DO know that the wick will burn though

>>48632699
Maybe next time, if a named character is about to die, there could be a short perspective change? That way, we would get a (most likely tiny) to think up a way to have them live or at least sort of come to terms with their death.

>>48632697
>In a heartbeat.
.... You would sacrifice an entire floor of the dungeon that we just freed to save 1 person.

You honestly don't belong here reading this quest.

Also, This statement is plot armor.
>but I at least want a heads up before the chance of important characters dying is a thing.

>>48632710
furthermore, the daughter would be living in Silence's shadow, long as she stayed around folks that knew Silence. And how would the Mine react to her?

>>48632697
>im no fan of plot armor, but we need plot armor
From the start, Bri's immortality meant that the thing we were most likely to lose is the lives of our allies.

It's fine. People die. It happens.

>>48632747
These are all pertinent questions, which is why the proposal is 'go ask the people who would know the answers'

>>48632730
I would argue that it's the other way around, where the "wick" is the soul and a fae death leaves bits of glass everywhere.

>>48632739
Eh, considering that warning the warehouse resulted in Jack AND silence's death, I can understand the sentiment.

It seems like the option of warning the roost would have saved more lives

>>48632721
Would he know how to use them? Would he be in a position to LEARN how to use them? Is such a man, who lived a relatively simple life, be capable pf picking up entirely new skills and knowledge bases?

>>48632739
Who would you sacrifice undo the tragedy of Broken Jaw? Would you sacrifice Amy? Nate? Bridgette? Would you remove them from the story with the snap of your fingers?

If not, you're a hypocrite. You value the lives of one important character over the lives of untold nameless ones.
Thing is, that's OK. People don't read stories because they care about a bunch of nameless, unimportant characters who they're not emotionally invested in.

>>48632755
An on-screen death is not plot armor

>>48632781
Lots of people with no prior experience somehow manage to become parents.

I'm not saying that he is one of them, but the reason why the ask option is up is because we want to get the input of the people who would be impacted by a faery daughter BEFORE doing it

If vik says "I don't think I could raise Silence's daughter. I feel like her memory is better served otherwise." then we accept his wishes and return her body to the mine or melt her down for scrap or whatever

the point is that we don't go ahead with "Attempted resurrection"

>>48632739
a multitude strangers, or a couple of your friends. Sounds easy when looked at impassively, through the distance of a story. A fair bit more difficult when you've spent time with those friends, know their preferences, their fears.
>plot armor
wanting to know something is a high risk option, (even without the total details) is not plot armor

>>48631852
> Try to bring Silence back
Damn, this is a shitstorm.

>>48632814
I guess.

>>48632842
....but we DID know they were high risk.

>>48632796
>Who would you sacrifice undo the tragedy of Broken Jaw?
I wouldn't undo it in the first place. I truly and honestly would leave it as it happened. Just like I would leave Silence to stay dead, as it happened.

This is the bed we were given and this is how we made it. Nobody said any of this had to be fair.

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>>48632526
Vox, here's a bit of (hopefully) constructive criticism: I think a big part of why so many people are upset about Silence's death is that it was offscreen, which makes it feel like we're just being told "oh by the way your friend is dead". It seemed to come out of nowhere (as realistic as that is) and also feels like "telling instead of showing".

I would have much preferred it if — without changing any of the actual events — we found out about her death by changing to her perspective before Bri returned, so we could have actually seen her (presumably awesome) last stand. It could have been a touching scene in itself, and there'd also be the emotional buildup from the audience knowing that Bri is going to find out, which would have at least as much impact in itself as the actual way we found out.

I feel I should say, by the way, that I've really been enjoying your storytelling in this quest so far. One thing that stands out about your writing is that you're really good at conveying your characters' genuine compassion and empathy for each other — Bri especially comes across as a kind and caring person, not just someone who does good deeds and solves problems. That's not an easy thing to portray, and it makes it a lot easier to care about characters when they so clearly care about each other.

>>48632905
We know. You kid around more often.

>>48632868
>>48632905

I actually feel like we're having a really insightful conversation. At the very least we've managed to avoid name calling and accusations of faggotry

I know that we're all emotionally invested in the story, but does anyone feel hurt about the suggestions or the discourse in the thread?

>>48632875
but did we know what "high risk" really meant?

>>48632894
fine then: if the pallbearer was bombarding the sunless sea, and you had to sacrifice nate/amy as the ONLY way to end it, what choice would you make?

>>48632909
>so we could have actually seen her (presumably awesome) last stand.
Might make a good pastebin, if Vox would be up for it.

Also, the thread's not dead yet, but all this discussion is driving it to an early grave.

>>48632905
Railway anon, I'm starting to regret arguing against you. I /kinda/ see where you're coming from, actually.
So, yeah, sorry.

>>48632917
>does anyone feel hurt about the suggestions or the discourse in the thread
depends on what you consider 'hurt' to mean.
I certainly feel frustrated; haven't been this frustrated in a quest ever since that failed attempt at making a Bloodmage Quest.

>>48632966
That's fine, honestly. I'm thinking I'm gonna let this run its course and open up the new thread with the Final Destination vote. Keep things...cleaner.

>>48632939
>Jack was in charge of the first response to the attack, and his choices wouls determine who would be caught in the line of fire unprepared or out of position
Yes? I actually took time to think on those choices?

>>48632939
Honestly I'd try to sacrifice Bri first but seeing as that isn't an option, I'd probably flip a coin or ask them which one would willingly go (likely Nate).

I would have trouble picking which one but if it was the only course of action we have I would stick with whatever I get.

>>48632969
Alright, well where's the frustration coming from?

I don't think that whatever choice is ultimately made here will negatively impact the story. Just one is more interesting to me then the other.

>>48633003
aw come on, we don't need a final destination. Besides you can only do that with 2 options, there's a very interesting third one that's been floated and is getting support.

>>48633003
>>48633017
I'd only support a final destination if we could do ranked choices

Like, I support 1, but if one does not get enough votes then I support 3

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>>48632969
>>48632910
>I /kinda/ see where you're coming from, actually.

Holy shit this is worse than I thought. Fuck did you do Vox?

>>48632699
>>48632708
>>48632726

>The choice was not telegraphed as risking named characters

I'm sorry, what part of "TOTAL WAR" implies "plot armor for everyone we like"? The idea of plot armor for anyone in this quest is stupid beyond all recognition. Even Bri, who LITERALLY HAD PLOT ARMOR, has potentially lost her plot armor!

>>48633003
can you do that soon? I don't want to fall asleep and miss one of hte most important votes of the quest so far.

>>48633012
you don't get to ask them. they don't get to choose. you, the player, make the decision, and Bri is told about it after the fact.
what do you choose?

>>48633017
>where's the frustration coming from
I like Silence as a character. I want to /keep/ liking silence as a character. I don't want her to disapear from the story with the snap of Vox's fingers. For fucks sake, this is DLQ, not Worm.
If a character could die, I want to have a choice. A real choice. Not a "make a choice, or there might be 'unforseen consequences'" kind of choice. I want to be there, either playing as the character, or playing as Bri in the same scene as the character.

>>48633058
killed a character off screen based on a vote that he didn't akgnowledge was important enough to kill a character off screen.

>>48633017
Haven't seen much of anything resembling a third option. Can you point it out?

Also, final destination isn't limited to any amount of options. Each oficial option is represented by a number.

>>48633046
That sounds like a good idea in theory, horrible mess in practice.

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>>48633075
Well I have a very important question.

Did that character fire ranged into melee?

>>48633003
If you do, can you tell us the time? If there's a five-minute voting period, a lot of people could miss the thread. We're not constantly watching /tg/.

>>48632939
>but did we know what "high risk" really meant?
Yes. In the very first thread, death was a risk for everyone, especially the MC.

It's a war, it kind of means "high risk".

>>48633079
>Go to Vik and the people of the mine, explain that Silence is pretty much gone for good but rather then using her body to create weapons we could use it to give something new a chance at life, would you feel like you would want that?

"Daughter option"

>>48633079
Arrow's impossibility theorem is going to screw us over no matter what voting method we come up with.

>>48633075
>can you do that soon?
well, we need to get cracking on killing the thread then.

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>>48633059
You're missing the point! It's not that silence died, it's that we didn't see her die, or get to do anything to prevent it.

Did our choice send geargriders to Silence's location, possibly risking her life? OK. Give us a "you are Silence" scene, and let us actually react to these geargrinders surronding us. Let us make the /choice/ of dying heroicly and actually see it rather than just tell us it happens!

>>48633075
I understand what you're saying man, I really liked Silence too and it sucks that the warn the warehouse option ended up killing her

But is it a big enough thing that if Silence doesn't come back you won't enjoy the story?

Because, even if we do pursue it fully there's a good chance that it may not work, and Vox isn't going to retcon this I think

Anyway, do you want to talk about it a little bit more?

>>48633075
>what do you choose?
>>48633012
>I'd probably flip a coin


>If a character could die, I want to have a choice.
Plot. Armor.
As in you decide the fate of every living soul in this world.

>>48633113
Congrats, you made a life you are now responsible for creating.

Now foist that newborn ont someone else for raising, someone who is involved in a war, just lost the love of his life, and whom you just told to go on with this life without the person whose dead body you made her from.

That's go over real well, and there won't he any consequences at all.

This whole quest is about consequences for actions taken. Every enemy we have fought is suffering the consequences for their actions. An incidental - yes, incidental - death of someone we liked is a consequence of her choosing to fight for us in a war we started. You think there won't be consequences for fucking with the status quo of life and death?

Can Brianna even survive doing what people are proposing we do? The cost of necromancy is life, and we've got only our personal life force to put into this casting.

Which people conveniently forget.

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Y'know, it's probably going to seem a bit funny to y'all.

But I honestly don't think this was railroading.

I think y'all fucked up and made bad choices/choices that got Silence killed.

I think Vox made the right call.

Silence and Jack are dead.

Get over it.

>>48633135
Let me ask this,
Do you believe we should be able to control every aspect of this story to suit our whims?

>>48633135
She was her own creature right from the start, and she literally stopped an army by herself. We actually had the option of going with her instead of Jack, we chose Jack. JACK DIED TOO.

>>48633203
It's Vaelys logic. Of course he does. There should never be anything bad happening to anyone ever.

>>48633151
>But is it a big enough thing that if Silence doesn't come back you won't enjoy the story?
It would certainly change my opinions on Vox. /That/ might make me drop the story if more shit like this happens.

>Because, even if we do pursue it fully there's a good chance that it may not work, and Vox isn't going to retcon this I think
I would prefer that to the alternative. That way, "Silence's" arc could continue, which would be interestign and satisfying.

Mostly, I'm just upset at the jump from Jack's choice to Silence's death. If Jack's choice endanger's Silence, let us play it out. Let us perspective swap to Silence, and react accordingly. We'd probably choose to let her die to save the workers, and we'd be in the exact same situation, only it wouldn't be such a shitty, sudden death.

>>48633203
No. This is a quest, though, and I do believe we should be able to control how major characters react to challenges. If soldiers are coming to Silence, let us perspective swap.

>>48633181
that's not the point of the option though. We're not going to make a decision for them

We're going to ask the people who loved Silence most what they think of the option and if they're against we don't do it.

That's all it comes down to. Offering the people who loved this woman a choice

>>48633210
>We actually had the option of going with her instead of Jack
We should have had the option to go with both.
Also, we also had the option to go with Natalia, and she survived? Why wouldn't Silence.

>>48633223
We should be able to react to obstacles and misfortune instead of just saying X happens. That's what being in a Quest means.
Also, who the fuck is Vaelys?

>>48633229
Good, we need less Vaelys crap. Bad shit happens to characters we like in this story all the fucking time. Get over it.

>Mostly, I'm just upset at the jump from Jack's choice to Silence's death.
Jack died too, you moron. It was literally total war - they weren't getting out alive, period. We're fucking lucky Flitter didn't die too.

New thread is going up at 3 AM EST. The Final Destination will run until 3:06, in light of the time it'll take to be able to post the link. Be ready.

>>48633210
>>48633266
>Jack died
For all intents and purposes, he didn't. He's still in the story. His character arc is still progressing.
Most importantly, he's in the situation he's in /entirley/ due to choices we made while playing as him.

>>48633257
You are at the moment.

"Bad things happened! Bad QM! Retcon or thie quest will die! You didn't warn us that bad things might happen! All consequences should be labled on every vote ever! Nothing can be potentially bad without us knowing! You must give us the direct route to good end n every vote!"

That is literally what Vaelys believes and you want.

>>48633229
>No.
>we should be able to control how major characters react

These 2 statements don't quite go together with the question I asked.

>>48633281
Damn, i gotta run. Oh well, I've made my points clear.

What are you going to do about the third option?