>>48528217
>QUICKLY SERVERS, WHAT ARE THE CHEEKIENESS OF THE HIVE?
>OVER 9000 DRONESSSS!

>>48528217
>“Humans have involved themselves in the Hive's affairs. You are fortunate we choose to allow it.”
That sounded vaguely threatening.

>>48528217
“Hello.” Lee says quickly as he gives a short wave. “It looks like you're in the middle of something. Don't mind me.” He adds as your speaker leans in closer to Morgan.
“Humans have involved themselves in the Hive's affairs. You are fortunate we choose to allow it.”
Spoopy

>>48528257
That's the point.

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>>48528217
>“Hello.” Lee says quickly as he gives a short wave.

>>48528217
>“It looks like you're in the middle of something. Don't mind me.” He adds as your speaker leans in closer to Morgan.
Lee's bashful aw-shucks-itude works in our cheeky favor. The level of 'well don't worry the speaker's just got a few extra arms but the Hive's alright once you stop being a dick' adds a huge amount of spoopy to the table.

>>48528296
Good cop bad cop, and the good cop isn't a bug. I like it.

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>>48528217
>your speaker leans in closer to Morgan.
>ofw

>>48528217
Well I guess we can now get to the business of releasing the captives

>>48528328
>Bitch I will fucking cut you

>>48528464
Should that be now, or after major concessions?

>>48528480
we should get the shit first, so we know they won't dick us over.

>>48528480
Definitely after. Did we remember to remove their parasites?

>>48528464
Probably after they mention Lyle or the lab.

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>>48528468
She'll do much worse than that.

>>48528464
>>48528480
Probably wait a bit until we get to the diplomacy part of negotiations. It seems that they've more or less caved to our demands. Since they have no other option, really.

Once we're done demanding, we can get the nice friendly stuff done.

>>48528217
Morgan keeps his gaze on your drone, and your drone matches it with its unblinking eyes as the other humans stare at Lee as he looks uneasily between Morgan and your drone.

"I mean, they have a point. You... we, the Union just sorta started stomping around their ancestral territory digging up the graves of their old friends and started systematically doing every single thing wrong that could be done wrong. When I was found injured and bleeding, they helped me, gave me water, and carried me back to camp. When it was flipped, and we thought we were the technological superiors, we, well you, I was tricked into participating, but you sent an agent to attack them and kidnap their drones!" Lee says as he leans over from behind your drone.

"And placed human nukes in orbit." Your speaker chirps.

"Yea, and-" Lee catches himself. "They put nukes in orbit?" He says to your drone, then turns quickly back to Morgan. "What the hell?"

cont.

>>48528520
>"Yea, and-" Lee catches himself. "They put nukes in orbit?" He says to your drone, then turns quickly back to Morgan. "What the hell?"

THIS SASS, HOW DO WE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT?

>>48528520
Lee takes a quick breath as he continues to speak. "Look, what I'm saying is, they went out of their way to help me any the Clark crew when they had no need to. We then turned around and were just terrible to them because you guys thought they couldn't do anything about it. Well they can do things about it, but so far have managed to restrain themselves while they watched you bang the giant evil alien bomb against a wall in their own back yard." Lee almost looses his footing as he leans around your drone, his foot squeaking loudly against the floor. He quickly looks around and pulls out a seat before looking back to your drone and the humans.

"You guys want to take a seat? I'm gonna just take a seat." He says and slides into a chitinous chair. Your drone and Morgan continue to hold their locked gaze for a moment longer before he gives your drone a courteous smile.

"I don't mind if I do." He says.

>Demand all of the expanse be abandoned by the Union
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
>Demand specific systems in the Expanse (write in)
>Only demand the artifacts
>Other

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>>48528520
>"Yea, and-" Lee catches himself. "They put nukes in orbit?" He says to your drone, then turns quickly back to Morgan. "What the hell?"
Can our speakers make this kind of face? Because I want them to make this face right now.

>>48528520
"oh yea, i wonder what would happen if i released black box protocol to the public."

>>48528538
We're a Mother of course.

>>48528520
>"Yea, and-" Lee catches himself. "They put nukes in orbit?" He says to your drone, then turns quickly back to Morgan. "What the hell?"

wait, did Lee legitimately NOT know about the nukes in orbit?

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>>48528520
I'm just giggling like a retard at everything in this post, this is even better than I was expecting.

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
Under joint governance, of course.

>>48528542
>>Demand all of the expanse be abandoned by the Union

>>48528558
Guess not. We never told him, AFAIK.

It's cool, he's rolling with it.

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
If this is too unfavorable to the Union, maybe just a few buffer systems between our own developed colonies and theirs.

>>48528547
That doesn't seem very meaningful

>>48528562
You mean under hive governance. That's what releasing it to us means.

See, this will let the Union keep people there that they THINK will be spying on us, but they basically can't spy on anything important, because all our walls are living flesh cameras so we know where they are at all times.

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
We could do with a human population. If we can make a few scientists or inventors out of them they could help compensate with the Hive's difficulties with inventing new technologies.

>>48528558
Of course not. We never told him.

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

They won't agree, but we can bully down from a high haggle

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
>Demand the return of ALL artifacts.

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

Propose it as a mutual defense treaty. Say that, due to human actions, they will be attacked and the only way they will be able to survive is if the hive mobilizes extremely rapidly. Explain that we may have been hiding before, but that human actions destroyed all subtlety that could be had. Imply the alternate to allowing our full occupation of the expanse region is a full scale invasion.

>>48528542
kek
how awkward
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose under protection and control of the Hive
>Demand that the Union recognizes the sovereignty of the entity known as Theseus/Union

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

>>48528562
No, joint governance implies the Union will have a say. If the Union decided to do something retarded, we would be forced by the agreement to at least work with them on it.

No, it should be our sovereign territory. We answer or make deals with nobody on it. Split ownership is how you get shit like the Gaza Strip or West Bank.

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>>48528217
Uh.... are we not getting a sense of Morgan's emotional state through the moderate relays out the ass that we have?

We should be able to passively sense his emotions and general intentions behind his completely and utterly stoic poker face, shouldn't we?

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

>>48528542
>>48528520
Are we still going to give them the report card?

>>48528542
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
We can also allow an open border policy and a trade arrangements with the human settlements for at least a few years to help lessen the sting

Looks like we're going to have to look at either letting those planets govern themselves, or we'll need to work on setting up a government ourselves.

What planets are meant by the Expanse? I thought most of them were not settled.

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose

Also, right, we have to quickly surprise attack the Valen right after this meeting so we can keep their half finished hypergate as a research subject!

If we give them time to abandon the planet that shit will be dismantled or destroyed.

We will become best frenemies.

>>48528542
>>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
Humans themselves are not the threat, and some continued integration will be good for our relations. After all, we've got no problem with the Commonwealth so far.

If they hesitate at all, suggest that we could offer our services in communicating a desire for a peace treaty to Theseus and acting as mediators if desired. If they're gonna give up the Expanse, they could at least be assured that they could negotiate a scenario where Theseus wouldn't railgunning them while based beyond our borders.

If they still hesitate, make an offhand complaint that the Commonwealth has been far more cooperative. They'd get that message.

By the way, every human remaining in the expanse will be under our rule. They can stay, but we are the authority, period. Our house, our territory, our rules.

>>48528542
>Demand all of the expanse be abandoned by the Union
We need those resources

>>48528626
>everybody gets a parasite.

>>48528615
We should actually, yeah. Maybe it hasn't been relevant yet.

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>>48528617
Yes. Remember Kissinger's grade

>>48528615
Good point, we're using the ambassador drone here right?

>>48528599
I wouldn't be down with forming a mutual defense treaty with them. The commonwealth would be a much more reliable partner for defense and we're already running joint military ventures with them.

>>48528615
Of course, but so far it's mostly been you chewing him out for almost killing everything ever, so his emotional state has been at a baseline of "oh boy we really fucked up this time."

>>48528542
>Demand all of the expanse be abandoned by the Union
And negotiate down to.
>Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose
Or
>Demand specific systems in the Expanse (write in)
Djin, darwin, desmond and any planets that we know belonged to the hive queens of old.
Can we ask the scarred queen what planets she knew belonged to other queens?

>>48528632
Each major quest number has an updated territory map.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/48440181/images/1469401251554.png

>>48528665
GOOD.

>>48528665
Good, nice to see we're getting through to him alright.

>>48528665
hahahah nice.

>>48528635
Don't make it sound like we're totalitarian psychos just waiting to commit genocide because of a filing error now.

>>48528665
Excellent.

>>48528715
You are right we ARE willing to commit genocide over IDIOTS almost letting Cthullu and hastur rape the universe

>>48528715
What, you're not looking for the Union to fuck up hard enough to justify starting a space war?

>>48528749
Look, there's going to be a space war even if we don't start it, because the Black Queen is going to show up.

>>48528744
I'm not that upset honestly, we let it happen after all. I'm all for acting upset so we can grab the expanse without contest though. If we have to fight them off every planet it would be annoying.

>>48528744
No we aren't. We aren't going to kill innocent people because some dude they never met was an idiot.

>>48528749
No? We have actual problems to deal with, remember?

>>48528542
Why not both?
Half the expanse and the artifacts.

>>48528715
We aren't going to genocide them, and we can make that clear.

Leaving shit like "Who is the ultimate ruler of this territory?" as a grey area is just asking for things like the Hundred Years War to happen.

Also, we shouldn't link all these humans to the hive mind. We should appoint leaders favorable to us and acceptable to them and let them govern themselves... provided they fulfill any objectives and obey any rules we make. We will just issue the orders, the governors of each planet/settlement will get it done in ways acceptable to humans.

Make no mistake, though. They will be our humans.

After this diplomatic meeting should be keep our Citadel in orbit until their leaders come to a decision? Keep it there as an ominous looming threat that promises destruction if they try anything.

>>48528765
Yeah, so let's not waste our resources blowing up the apes when we could have them help blow up the Obsidian Queen too.

Our mother didn't die so that we could throw it all away to spite some monkeys.

>>48528769
Actually, I take that back. I want an excuse for a space-war. People are whining too much about innocents and that kind of nonsense.

>>48528678
I hope Morgan overreacts when we demand the entire expanse just so we can say "Don't worry, this is a small payment. Besides, if we added all the rest ancestral systems we'd have to include earth."

>>48528778
Not advocating making it a grey area at all anon, I'm just saying you're coming on super strong. It was already obvious we'd be the only authority there once they'd leave.

>>48528786
Sorry if it was unclear but I don't want a space war versus humans.

>>48528778
Oh boy, I'm so excited. Mother is finally going to be adopting a big mass of humans. They'll be OUR planets, too, which means we could roll out unfathomable bio-medical tech to massively improve quality of life as a show of good will.

>>48528786
The commonwealth is still there, and we can clone the humans even if they aren't.

>>48528788
We've got a damn space war, we're already actively at war with the Obsidian Queen and the Scavengers, and it's going to get worse before it gets better now that the void gods have their eye on us.

>>48528542
If we "Demand the Union release the Expanse to the Hive, but allow those living there to stay if they choose" (which I already voted for) can we please leave this open to negotiation so that even if the Union feels like they're being strongarmed (which they are) we allow Morgan to save some face and not just give us everything we're asking for (which would weaken his administration).

>>48528786
>let's not waste our resources blowing up the apes when we could have them help blow up the Obsidian Queen too.
>Implying having the union fight OQ won't lead to her having shields and everything else.
The humans cannot interfere in our war.

>>48528808
If we live to do it!

We've got enough of a power jump on the Union that I think we're forgetting that *our entire species aside from us* is either dead or driven mad by the void gods, and the final battle is still coming.

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>>48528786
>help blow up the Obsidian Queen

>putting reverse-engineerable human tech anywhere fucking near an enemy hive

We can't convince the humans to self-destruct their own ships as easily as we can our own drones you realize, to deny salvage.

Fuck having humans help, hive space is too distant from their own, they probably won't dare to spread themselves that thin, and we ain't giving them a faster FTL drive just for that.

>>48528818
These aren't public negotiations.

He can go back and say that he saved the world from a huge galactic misunderstanding and is the hero of everything if he wants. Not like anyone will know.

>>48528818
We can return prisoners from the Hope!

>>48528830
They're going to need to defend themselves. We can't let OQ win any engagements with the humans, however.

>>48528830
We can't guarantee that.

>>48528830
>>48528836
She's undoubtedly already working on it.

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>>48528796
>Don't want space war versus humans
Do even know about half the terror weapons we've saved up that we've never had a chance to use? I'm not even talking about just the bioweapons either, there's also the psionic warfare we've never tried, like the nausea field. Don't you want the chance to see what they're capable of just once?

>>48528836
>>48528830
Then at least let's not weaken ourselves by losing anything to the humans. We'd probably win, but we'd be weaker for the near future, not stronger.

And if the Union actually aligned with any of the void god servants, they could cause us a serious problem at the wrong time.

>>48528858
We'll be able to use them against the Ceph and auntie.

We actually should mention Auntie to the Union. She's kind of a big deal?

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>>48528855
>undoubtedly

>>48528855
She needs samples to work on it. We couldn't invent shields ex nihilo, we needed data. She has about as much data and samples as the ancient Earth PS3 had games.

>>48528852
We can minimize it and not give her MORE opportunities than she already will take.

>>48528842
They are already gonna put a lot of money into building anti hive defenses since we just jumped on their capital planet and gave a lot of people heart attacks.

>>48528879
Good, I hope it pays off for them, because all it takes for a hive to wipe out the humans is one single super-AIDS strain.

It's useful for the Union needs to think we're willing to go to war over this, and we'd do it if we had to, but we don't actually want to fight a war against them right now. It'd be a perfect time for the OQ to attack. Hell, right now would be a perfect time for the OQ to attack.

>>48528818
Nigga u wut? This is gunboat diplomacy, the entire point is they will give us what we want, or we will take it. And we have casus belli to do so.

>>48528858
We still have the scavs.

>>48528869
The Ceph live in water on a planet that doesn't exist in space, and the OQ will counter any bio tech we throw at her. The humans are the only faction upon which our techniques will have any effect.

Basically, we do not want a war with the Union, so stop asking for it. Sure we can posture at them right now, but that's only posturing.

We don't want humans to go full Ceph. We don't want Theseus to turn on us. We don't want to waste resources on fighting a faction that could be a valuable ally.

>>48528891
>OQ attacking

That reminds me. The forest moon at Refuge is the perfect place for the new psionic towers.

Because the debris field around the Refuge system blocks the G-sensors, as well as impedes blinking into the system itself. So psionic towers are the only way to get forewarning about OQ blinking into that system at its edge.

And she does so very want that forest moon.

Really, we need one psi tower in every star system, as the first infrastructure we create when we land. Maybe we can convince the humans to let us build one such tower in each system, for 'space observation'.

>>48528895
Who live in space. Infectious agents can't really cross the void between ships.

>>48528869
Agreed.
We need to mention that in their ignorance they have made themselves vulnerable to attack and that they may face hostile forces soon (a prelude to brokering peace between them and the commonwealth). While they may have been attacked anyway due to the OQ scouts we noticed, the humans don't need to know that. We need to separate ourselves from the "evil" hive now and clearly.

>>48528895
They are in space. They're intrinsically all military and all spacefaring. Bioweapons are useless against people wearing vacuum sealed suits.

>>48528894

>B-But anon! We need to be nice! I like humans! W-We must protect the innocent!
- Dove anons

>>48528891
All we need to take their planets over is to touchdown on them. After that it would be pretty much over.

>>48528921
Fuck that, the Union is the ideal target for a war, and they've definitely earned it after all the shit they pulled. Technically we wouldn't even have initiated the conflict, we'd just be backing up the only group of humans we actually like, the Commonwealth.

>>48528858
Yes ohh yes I want to see the horrors our arsenal will cause on them, but we should wait. Not just yet anon its not yet time, as another anon pointed out there is the scavs to deal with, and OQ. I do support taking most of the expanse and the artifacts via diplomacy or otherwise.

>>48528946
I hear the innocent are what spores love to grow on most.

>>48528921
>We don't want Theseus to turn on us.
We won't be exterminating the humans, we take as much territory as possible and make bio weapons for wolds we can't, and if those worlds fall we can give the antidote to anyone alive and give the surviving humans to Theseus.

>>48528946
The doves wouldn't be so annoying if we weren't so hostile to the Union just a little earlier in the quest.

>>48528921
>We don't want a war
I do. Sorry to break it to you.

>>48528946
We're likely about to adopt entire planets worth of humans, those ones can be the ones we protect and turn their worlds into beautiful garden worlds for.

>>48528921
There's war and then there's war. It's not like genocide is productive or anything. Just a little conquest for their own protection, from themselves and from outside threats.

>>48528952
>the Union is the ideal target for a war
No they're not. There's nothing to gain there.

>and they've definitely earned it after all the shit they pulled.
Irrelevant. Wars aren't fought over personal grudges. Especially not when we're already in a bigger war.

>>48528952
>Fuck that, the Union is the ideal target for a war
Compared to the Obsidian Queen?

I think you're missing the big picture here.

>>48528929
thats a good idea, maybe build a small set of drone hives too for scouting

>>48528957
>>48528975
There we go, here is a middle-ground I'll like.

>>48528976
Or We could support the Commonwealth and let them do the conquering. Open warfare with the Union is dumb as hell.

>>48528979
Besides tech and resources.

>>48528982
The thing is they're so small compared to her fleets and armies. And keep in mind I'm not talking about a war of total annihilation here, I'm talking about a quick and violent border war fought on the very edges of the Union's territory, the expanse.

>>48528979
>There's nothing to gain

>implying spreading metal trees' roots through their planets' crusts won't boost productivity by an order of magnitude
>implying mantle mining won't boost even beyond that
>implying we don't need huge gainz to prep to protect the humans from Auntie and worse threats
>implying whole cities crop-dusted with hive spores and transformed into horrifying death fields as the newly living landscape itself turns on the inhabitants isn't fun as fuck

>>48528979
Not that anon but
>No they're not. There's nothing to gain there.
Except a lot of worlds we can use and a lot of humans we can give to Theseus for favors.
>Wars aren't fought over personal grudges.
>What is the history of humanity.

>>48528975
What a waste of resources

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>>48529016
>>implying whole cities crop-dusted with hive spores and transformed into horrifying death fields as the newly living landscape itself turns on the inhabitants isn't fun as fuck
Oh god would it ever be.

>>48529026
Plus I mean. This can be both a grudge AND pragmatically productive. For their own good and the good of all inhabitants of this sector of space not named OQ.

>warfags get us to actually declare war on the Union
>OQ and Scavs immediately attack us in two different places back home
>three-front war
>then the Ceph show up on the void god's orders

nooooope

>>48529016
This guy gets it.

I'm not saying myself we should take down their civilization, but I'll be looking for excuses to kill them or run them off of worlds.

>>48529009
We can get all that tech without war, and have already gotten most of it.

We have plenty of unexploited space, we don't need a hyperspecific part of space just because there's a bunch of humans there.

>>48529026
The wars of history were basically always about resources. Emotional outbursts are very rarely their cause, and never the sole one.

>>48529036
We're benevolent bugs, anon, and we have no shortage of resources.
Not to mention doing so would really boost our image to the humans on the planets we'll be taking control of, not to mention our image to outside races and empires.

>>48529002
I do like this plan, but we should take atleast half of the expanse for now, leave the union for after we kill oq and or void dicks.
>>48529016
See anon I also like this idea combinded with this >>48529042
but I dont think its quiet time for it...wait for the enemy count to go from drop a bit before we open up another war.

Guys, can we at least agree to take all we can from them diplomatically before deciding on wiping them from the face of the universe or not?

I mean, I'm not AGAINST it, but one thing at a time, please.

>>48529016
Save it until after we've eaten the Expanse at least. Why fight humans when there's still empty worlds. After we've filled the Expanse if we still want to dine on monkey we can.

>>48529057
That guy doesn't get shit. He's basically in a store with 200 identical sandwiches and saying he wants exactly that sandwich which was already taken instead of the other 199, and is willing to pay ten times the price for it.

>>48529060
Were at war with eldritch gods who killed off the rest of our species

And you want to waste resources on a bunch of chaotic monkeys?

>>48529056
Fronts don't actually matter as much in space also we have the Commonwealth to help us.

>>48529092
>deliberately ignoring the benefits of being seen as benevolent galactic protectors

>>48529092
Fighting a war against them right now would also be wasting resources.

>>48529072
>leave the union for after we kill oq and or void dicks.
The quest will be pretty much over then. Besides, if we go to war with the Union, we can form an alliance with Commonwealth where we're both mutually obligated to aid each other in wars, and thus secure their aid in our war with the OQ.

>>48529081
>exactly that sandwich which was already taken instead of the other 199

No, it's basically saying, I want all 200 sandwiches.

Which is the most effective method, as every sandwich is magically transformed into a ship fleet, and you have a relative who has 201 ship fleets nearby.

>>48529095
...That's totally out of character and will probably piss off all of our allies.

>>48529074
The Expanse is a must, and if they refuse to give it, the practical answer is to take it.

>>48529081
We don't have as many planets open to us as you think. Actually I need to check to see if the new systems have been scouted yet, that's what we have been waiting on.

>>48529104
Logistics isn't as bad, but even with our fancy FTL tech we still can't be in two places at once.

>>48529111
It would be an investment of resources, technically, with a payoff in more resources.

The payoff of good PR is just slightly less tangible.

>>48529121
Take the 199 first and then use the combined might of your sandwich arsenal to take the last one. Gotta do it in order, or you choke on your sandwiches.

>>48529110
That's never gonna happen until we actually genetically brainwash them.

>>48529114
We already have more or less that alliance for one case, no need to go to war with the Union to expand it to OQ.

>>48529121
>I want all 200 sandwiches.
Well you can't get them, you can't fit them all in your pocket.

>>48528217
Kill jester

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>>48529095
>Do not worry human, you will be improved by some time in the tank! Fix lacking things like non-redundant organs!
>WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE A MOUTH LEADING INTO THE VOID
>The Lee suggested this, is that wrong?

>>48529110
>>48529111
Not saying fight them

Saying not do this stupid paradise world thing that anon wanted to do for the humies

Who the fuck going to think were protectors after we showed up with enough ships to glass this whole system? they are probably screaming blood murder

>>48529125
He didn't say IMMEDIATELY before!

Give it time.

>>48529125
I wouldn't take his post seriously.

>>48529111
We can steal resources from their planets with ease to fuel our war efforts.

>>48529143
We've gotten several humans in person strongly on our side, and one major human faction is on early but good terms with us as a competent enemy-of-my-enemy. They also still have tech we don't. It's a good thing.

>>48528542
Morgan takes a seat across from Lee, staring intently at him with obvious suspicion. Lee casts his eyes to his hands, fiddling his fingers as he tries to scoot his seat along the floor until the chair quickly walks itself forward.

"Oh, thanks." Lee says, briefly meeting Morgan's harsh gaze before averting his eyes again.

"So, what was your name again?" Morgan asks. You can tell he recognizes him perfectly fine.

"Ryan Lee." Lee quickly says. "I was on the Clarke, and was the first to make contact with the Hive. We met when I received that promotion when you and the rest of the council decided to hang me out like laundry so your could have your crazy cyborg quite literally kick the anthill for no apparent reason other than you're all jackasses." He says. Morgan looks ever so slightly shocked.

"I thought you were supposed to be playing the good cop here." He says.

"Well that part is a bit personal for me, and I'm still a bit raw over it." Lee replies. You detect the faintest hint of a talgoan accent in one of the words, slipping from his otherwise calm, neutral inflection for less than a second. He seems to notice it after the fact and looks down to his hands again.

Your drone steps over the table, dropping to a squat stance beside Lee as your drone leans over the table.

"The Hive has seen enough to know the humans cannot be trusted so close to the artifacts. The region you call the Expanse, it must not be allowed to remain under human control."

"What?" Morgan says. "You can't be serious."

cont.

>>48529128
I mean all but two of those systems are known-claimed anyway.

And if those two have any valuable planets at all, they WILL be Scav-claimed.

One way or another, to gain planets, you must take them from someone else.

>>48529136
Not really we can just trade resources for stuff like labor the only reason people want a war is to satisfy thier murder boners

>>48529166
Anon...
Those humans strongly on our side are allbrainwashed...

>>48529153
The fact that we didn't glass the whole system.

>>48529143
Tell that to Vaughn.

>>48529166
We aren't on good terms with the Commonwealth. We are allies in a war where they need us, but there hasn't been enough contact to have meaningful relations past that military alliance.

Guys, I'm worried that some of us are actually buying our own hype here. We're still the underdogs in the fight against the assholes that murdered our mother and basically our entire species. We don't have the biggest dick in the galaxy- just the biggest one in Gemini right now.

>>48529182
yeah were extorting them with force

That will really go down well with the public

>>48529143
>our pockets are actually bags of holding sewn into the pants

>>48529180
We didn't brainwash Elizabeth or Lee. Especially not Lee.

>>48529204
That's the point, I think. We know we don't have the biggest dick in the galaxy, but between everybody negotiating here it's the biggest.

>>48529173
"The Hive wishes to know if it's behavior seems at all analogous to the human habit of appearing nonsensical for the purposes of entertainment called 'joking'. Because the Hive can assure it is not."

>>48529173
NAME DROP EARTH AS ANCESTRAL LAND!
Then settle for most of the expanse.

>>48529205
Which is what the show of benevolence to those under our leadership is for.

>>48529234
I think He's talking about the playerbase getting a big head

>>48529234
>>48529204
Guys, please. We're a queen. We don't have a dick at all, don't be so crass.

>>48529204
We have more ships than either the Union or Commonwealth.

http://ask.fm/QuestDrone/answer/132284612645

>>48528678
>Demand all of the expanse be abandoned by the Union

>>48529242
very nice.

>>48529204
No, we know for certain that we are a seriously tiny moth in a room filled with bug zappers.

Unfortunately, to grow bigger we need to pick on the people we can outmuscle. It's sort of mean, and undoubtedly a dick move, but that's how every powerful nation formed.

>>48529229
You're right about Lee, but Elizabeth doesn't even consider herself human.

>>48529261
The biggest clit? I don't think she even has a clit though.

>>48529272
Jumps from current character too much

>>48529268
Yeah and that'd be great if they were actually the relevant threat.

>>48529173
>Lee casts his eyes to his hands, fiddling his fingers as he tries to scoot his seat along the floor until the chair quickly walks itself forward.
Now that is some convenient seating right there.

>>48529268
So what? They aren't who we are at war with.

>>48529261
Ovipositor then.

>>48529274
Orrrr, we could pick on the even-easier-to-outmuscle empty planets first. Then have more muscle for outmuscleing.

>>48529307
The Queen has the best thrones.
Nothing like those lying thieving parasitic scavs.

>>48529253
The fuck are you going on about?

You remember some of the factions inside the union remember?

Anti alien, pro alien, conquistadors, hippies etc?
We just scared the shit out of the public and displayed we can pretty much kill them all

Every war and military affiliated faction going to get a boost cause peons are shitting their pants right now

>>48529307
Hah, I'd totally missed that.

>>48529173
"Why should the Hive joke? You staged your war with the Commonwealth because you believed their preexisting conflict offered them no choice to surrender on the chance that they would face a two front war. You then proceeded to piss of three additional interstellar civilizations with your recklessness. The shoe certainly pinches on the other foot, doesn't it?"

>>48529331
Well, it's also a big blow to the establishment. Lee is alive, and the Union was experimenting on him, and the Union's secret experiments on both its own citizens and alien artifacts are fucking things up for humans. This isn't as one-sided as if we'd just shown up and glassed a planet.

>>48529320
Well, yeah.

I am not the one saying declare war on them right now or anything. That's some other dude. But bullying them out of as much as we can diplomatically right now is fine. Then we settle in, consolidate, go full tyranid and strip everything we can... and then when we have used up all the easily accessible resources we have then we can consider going to war for more. If we need to. If we haven't found better places to expand.

Really, this is all in the future. Right now we are trying to shove the humans away from all those doomsday button artifacts and get resources at the same time.

>>48529360
Works for me.

>>48529331
Who gives a shit about them? I'm talking Commonwealth, Valen, our own soon to be human population so we don't get fucking insurrectionist movements that cause havoc planetside.

>>48529179
Human mining is inefficient. They don't even have nanomachines, son.

Their markets won't have the sheer Metals quantities that we could extract ourselves, and have way more overhead. The humans would be using so much of what they mined themselves, selling to other buyers, rather than giving us a monopoly, as conquest gives us.

>>48529360
Yeah, it's difficult to separate the long term from the short term plans in this thread, but I want this encounter to go peacefully and go full space war on their settlements in the Expanse later.

>>48529352
You think these leaders operate like the hive?

There just going to be replaced since they have other people in their parties that take over and have similar agendas

We just gave the military and security factions a gift from gods

Some of the shadow council will take the fall but they can be replaced

>>48529393
Well if you're just counting metals, nanomachines pick up lesser quantities, they basically mop up the place, they don't produce the biggest amounts. And any inefficiency isn't actually spending the metals, it's spending nutrients if you want to term it that way.

>>48529338
This is good.

>>48529360
This also makes sense, although I think we probably won't want to betray them and go full Tyranid if only for no other reason than that it will cause our allies to doubt our intentions.

We can offer a carrot and stick approach. Say (possibly) that we can defend against Theseus and "other" non-human threats against severe consequences if they don't comply.

>>48529413
But the balance of power between the parties could shift between the parties, and I think you're only looking at the xenophobia angle.

What is going to happen in Union politics and the balance of power when it's known that Lee is alive, and that the Union was fucking experimenting on him?

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>>48529405
Yeah, we can space war later, when we dwarf their forces even more than we do now.

...Although we kinda HAVE to space war now with the Valen, if we want that hypergate intact within the next 24 hours. Valen fucking love surprise attacks nobody sees coming after all.

>>48529173
"The humans are not the first to enter this space. The Hive existed in the Expanse long before humans settled the region. They have always been the Hive's worlds. We have allowed their use, but that was a mistake." Morgan leans forward on his hands, propping himself up from his seat.

"There are millions of people already living there! The first wave of the expanse has already spent billions of credits establishing colonies on habitable worlds, you can't just tell entire families to leave!"

"They may stay, but the Union must go." Your speaker chirps.

"And abandon millions in the process? Because you claim, that after all this time of our habitation, that you somehow have claim to them?"

>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal
>Reduce your demand to "just" certain systems in the Expanse (write in)
>Other (write in)

>>48529413
We can continue our infestation of the leadership if things take a sour turn in the vote.

>>48529433
Are you really defending that guy who said "Other people only disagree with me because murderboners?" Really both of you should have ignored him.

>>48529173
Calm down human we obviously can't have a foreign power moving it's military as it pleases in hive space and our dominance of traditional will mean most of the resources your colonies gather will be going to the hive anyway since humans seem to have an adversion to war the hive believes this to be the most beneficial out come

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>>48529450
Very good point. Before a space war with the Union we must have our space war with the Valen. Looks like its time to nuke the whales everyone.

>>48529450
>Not giving the valen a deal they can't refuse.

>>48529433
>nanomachines pick up lesser quantities
Wut.

In the current abstracted crunch, smart mines double metals income vs lacking smart mines.
>Smart Mines active: Calculates development stat twice for metal income

>>48529468
mention >>48529338 We are willing to transfer some of the inhabited systems to the Custody of the Commonwealth if they so wish. We believe they can be trusted.

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal

>>48529471
Murderboners are very turgid in this thread, anon, you shouldn't underestimate them.

>>48529468

>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal

>>48529433
No, it's human society and economy that's inefficient, vs mindless hive communism.

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal

"The humans have no choice. Be thankful we continue to fix your problems."

>>48529468
>mention earth belonging to the hive

MAXIMUM CHEEKYDRIVE

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal
"The hive is very old"
>Reduce your demand to "just" certain systems in the Expanse (write in) same as the last, Djin, Darwin, Desmond and any planets we know belonged to the old queens.

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>>48529485

>>48529486
Prove it. Show me how many times the development stat was used before.

Oh, and that's just the crunch, anyway. We already saw that the humans make 100 times more nutrients on one of their worlds than we do if you go by pure crunch. You need to think about it in a more common sense way.

>>48529468
"They will be well taken care of. We do not wish to harm the humans. But you have shown bad faith time and again, and we have learned well from this. We will concede the ancient territory you call Earth to your dominion and not lay claim to it, but our territory in the Expanse will be reclaimed."

>>48529500
>>48529502
>>48529509
>>48529512
>>48529514

You guys know he's gonna get pissed at that and probably walk away, right? What are you hoping for from this course of action?

>>Reduce your demand to "just" certain systems in the Expanse (The planets we know belong to the old queens.

Also mention that we'll mostly leave them alone and support them well. It's just we don't want the military.

>>48529439
Yeah and he shows up with an army of scary space bugs that came with enough ships to burn half the union down?

a lot of people will think he is a traitor who sold out his species

What parties do you think will benefit from that thought going though the population after there leader say we are taking over the expanse by threatening them

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal

Negotiate hard then

>>48529468
"The hive had claims on these planets while the humans were still crawling from the Oceans,"

>>48529544
Your dubs can't stop me, and Its because we need to show him we KNOW everything. He is powerless here and he has to understand that.

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal
"Really, the human have been terrible tenants. You've damaged the fixtures and left an enormous mess. It's a bit much to expect your deposit back, yes?"

Show of hands: Should revealing that the Hive had a hand in human evolution even be on the table. Yea or nay.

>>48529544
>walk away
He can't afford to walk away. He still has a lot he wants to know and get.

>>48529552
Technically not billions of years, less than a million or so. Although if you want to lie go for it.

>>48529544
Walk away to where? He's in our capital ship.

>>48529544
If he walks away we take the systems it is that simple

>>48529550
Good point. We need to really spell it out for the monkeys just how much older and superior we are to them and how generous we really are being in response to their tremendous fuckup.

>>48529468
>>Reduce your demand to "just" certain systems in the Expanse (write in)
Dagmar, New Port, Juric, Desmond, Telarum Sentinel Wayward Hope

>>48529544
Nah, he can't. I mean, he can, but he can't actually accomplish anything with it.

>>48529468
>>Other (write in)
Draw some Skyl runes, then show the Esperanto translation of them: 'we own this shit'.

Yes, we had claim, geez.

>>48529562
Nay.
They either wouldn't believe it and find us untrustworthy, or flip their collective shit and cause endless chaos.
Or both.

>>48529468
>Other (we will allow union trade ships to interact with human settlements but the union will not be allowed to have a force in hive space anymore

>>48529544
You can't walk away from a fleet in position to wipe out most of your race.

>>48529562
>Show of hands: Should revealing that the Hive had a hand in human evolution even be on the table. Yea or nay.
The would likely not even believe us in these circumstances and think we were bluffing. That card will have to be used at another time, when we can get something from it.

>>48529605
Well, more like, wipe out most of your politicians, considering the planet we're over...

>>48529601
it will be both.
>>48529606
Has the right idea.
>>48529590
Are those all the systems we have hidden colonys on? I forgot which ones we had em all on

>>48529567
And our mother's genetic tinkering with the apes was around 50,000 years ago, IIRC.

>>48529567
Dude our mother Literally genetically evolved humans to not be able detect Tacheyons

>>48529575
Do we have an edge over humanity tech-wise here?

>>48529597
Smart, I like this.

>>48529468
>>48529496
this seems like maximum cheek.

>>48529630
Goddammit retardanon how are you so consistently bad at this quest.

>>48529630
Yeah, but not that long ago comparatively.

>>48529468
>"There are millions of people already living there! The first wave of the expanse has already spent billions of credits establishing colonies on habitable worlds, you can't just tell entire families to leave!"
Roughly 200k by the pastebin actually.

>>48529631
Yes.

>>48529468
Backing this>>48529597
Do not reveal the Hive's involvement with human evolution.

>>48529631
A very notable tech edge.

>>48529631
Dude, our tech is leagues above theirs now.

>>48529627
Its basically everything but the one system they actually have signifigant population on.

>>48529468
>Mention Earth as belonging to the Hive, and that only the Expanse is a good deal
>Other (write in)

Fine, the humans can keep their stupid human government if they so wish. However, we must have full use and monitoring of all planets in the expanse. At once.

>>48529496
Supporting this too.

I really don't think he's gonna bend, guys. So what do we do when he says no? Just as a thought exercise. Do we kill him outright? Let him leave then attempt to raze the planet? We need to at least know a worst-case scenario response.

>>48529678
No.

>>48529590
There is no way we're leaving Tannhauser in the hands of the Chosen People.

>>48529647
Really? This is pretty useful, actually.

QD, is this accurate? Can we call Morgan's "bluff" here?

>>48529631
Boy we have such an edge it'd make Gillette R&D fall to their knees at weep.

>>48529691
Let him leave and take the expanse by force.

Besides, he's a diplomat is he not? He doesn't get to make the big decisions, only relay our terms to those who do.

>>48529702
Please do.

>>48529691
He might not, but we can just take them.

That said, I agree, we are coming on REALLY strong here. Which I like. But we need some sort of carrot to go with the stick.

>>48529647
Neat. Call him on his lie.

>>48529691
We could threaten full disclosure of the full list of Killinger's sins, with proof. Killinger would rather lose the Expanse than lose both it and the Union.

>>48529647
>200k
That's a decent number. By space numbers though, it's not much to go to war over.

>>48529678
Why would you even tell them we would be monitoring if we let them have everything? And what, they allow us to? Come off it.

>>48529691
Leave him and blow up all human owned forces in the Expanse.

>>48529647
Alright, we have got to mention this.

>>48529691
Then we remind him that this is for human safety as well as ours. That while the blood of war will be on his hands, it is better than the dangers of the alternative of letting them keep access to such dangers.

>>48529702
>>48529468

Yeah

>>48529739
Ugh.

Because you get things like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the Hundred Years War when you do that.

>>48529739
Another anon here. They can self-govern within their settlements of course, but the outside Union government doesn't get to have any authority there.

>>48529729
>That's a decent number. By space numbers though, it's not much to go to war over.
That's a pretty good reason to tell him that then.

>Why would you even tell them we would be monitoring if we let them have everything? And what, they allow us to? Come off it.
As far as they know we could have just asked Theseus for census information, and everybody knows the Unity could access that information.

>Leave him and blow up all human owned forces in the Expanse.
Actually agree with this entirely. Display our position of strength and they'd be forced back to the table.

>>48529739
It won't actually sweeten the deal much on their end, it will remain as sour.

Also we would have to continue to deal with their bureaucratic nonsense, "oh no this area isn't zoned for giant pulsing alien flesh buildings," "your mantle mining is making the earth move," "stop flying into people's bedrooms at night," it would never end.

>>48529691
I think we should say that we are really protecting the expanse. Mention that the Union meddling is likely to get their ass invaded and that if they want allies against potentially overwhelming enemy forces that's what we'll give them. We can also imply we'll give them biotech (in limited amounts) if anons agree to that. How's that for a carrot?

>>48529726
Killinger hasn't won the King bill yet. Morgan is technically at least as powerful as Killinger if I understand Union politics correctly. He may not give a shit about Killinger compared with the importance of the entire Union or himself.

>>48528217
Drat, I keep missing the beginnings of these installments. Time to shotgun the last 3 threads. I need to check /tg/ more frequently.

>>48529772
Actually I just saw the anon who posted that we should threaten to spill Union government secrets and I agree with him. We should do that first. It would be more in character.

After further threats don't work, then we move on to take what we want by force.

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>>48529806
>not checking twitter

Also, I would like to mention how war has historically worked:

>You and your neighbor dispute a claim to land.
>You argue over it.
>Eventually you hit an impasse.
>Go to war.
>One side is clearly superior.
>Meet again and the losing side concedes the land.

If he walks we go blow shit up until we get a transmission that they want to talk again.

>>48529739
These settlers came with profit in mind

You think there gonna be happy when we take over the resources and leave them in small enclaves?

>>48529468
Mention that the Humans do not have the naval capacity to defend the Expanse from the Great Betrayer, whose fleets are already scouting this region. They do not negotiate, and you do NOT want to see the full capability of a Hive military fleet.

>>48529824
Perhaps I need to get into that.

>>48529806
TLDR is that the Cortez crew have been taken by the Valen and are under interrogation, our clones in New Tokyo are meeting with the underground, and we made a fun entrance over Union Space and are in the process of taking the Expanse without fighting a war.

>>48529597
Add this to>>48529527

>>48529825
Yeah i understand that

I just don't understand why so many anons are under the delusion that the union population will support us after we do this

I mean fuck the valen are going to be wary of us like hell and what the hell are the commonwealth going to think after this land grab

>>48529850
I just leave it open in a tab and look at it once in a while.

>>48529825
If he walks he can remain a hostage for his "safety" and we blow up all the picket fleet and anti-orbital defenses on the planet. Then we tell him we'll start glassing cities unless he agrees to the concessions.

>>48529468
I'm entirety willing to compromise. Anons are being fucking dumb

>>48529858
Yeah, going to war and taking shit always makes diplomacy harder.

But in the end, diplomacy is based on power and need. As long as we have power and others have needs, they will deal with us. As long as they deal with us, we can improve relations with them and smooth things over after the fact.

>>48529468
"The territory of the Hive expands far beyond the Expanse, including the system of your Earth. Limiting ourselves to the Expanse is a great act of generosity."

You sense anger seeth somewhere deep in Morgan's mind. A cold, violent hate, a sensation of spite without direction that is quickly muffled.

"The humans who choose to stay will be cared for and may continue to live as before, but we will protect the ancient relics that have brought this danger upon us all. It is clear you cannot be trusted with them." Your drone says. "The Hive has existed in this region of space long before humans left their Earth." Lee nods quickly.

"They've been around a long time." He says. "Besides, there's like, a few hundred thousand on the expanse total. It wouldn't be all that hard to relocate them, and it's not at all that bad living in the Hive. It's more or less the Green and Rhino policies mixed together, but they actually work and without the taxes.

"Yes." Your drone says in agreement. "The Hive will care for any who wish to stay." Morgan's mind flashes with anger again, an almost familiar anger, felt only from Lyle until now.

"And I assume the main reason you brought this fleet here is to display the alternative to your 'generous offer.'" He says. "You think mankind will roll over and just give up those systems. Even if we hand them over, the locals won't accept it."

"They may leave if they wish." Your drone says. The statement seems to wound him deeply.

"You clearly didn't study us long enough."

>Walk back your demand (write in)
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
>Threaten with an ultimatum (write in)
>Other

Oh god I'm having a hard time keeping up with the thread, sorry it's slowing me down.

Here is a reminder that since we have been seen by the void god we can look at that hidden memory one of our thinker has.

>>48529858
>what the hell are the commonwealth going to think after this land grab

>"Looks like we were right, we better stay on their good side. Wise! Get me a drink!"

>>48529876
No we let him leave and we take this fleet and burn down that union stronghold in the expanse

>Threaten with an ultimatum
All in, we cant pussy out now after this stunt we pulled

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government and due remember... somebody stopped the destruction of your whole race, and it sure wasn't the ones who decided to stick there iron organs into the unfertlized soil.

>>48529901
forgot to link
>>48529886
for this
>Threaten with an ultimatum
All in, we cant pussy out now after this stunt we pulled

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
If it's too much to ask, then
>Walk back your demand (write in)
We'll ask for specific systems instead of the entire expanse.
>Other
At the very least, they WILL give us their artifacts.

>>48529886
>>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
Now he needs to take this back to the people with the shared authority to make this decision.

>>48529886
>>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government

>>48529886
And you have not studied us at all.

>>Threaten with an ultimatum (write in)
Three days.

Oh, and leave the Canderon mining star drills behind, if you would.

>>48529886
>>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government

>>48529917
>and it sure wasn't the ones who decided to stick there iron organs into the unfertlized soil.
This sounds vaguely lewd.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to that anon writing the follow up to the last lewd pastebin? We're waiting on that man.

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
>Walk back your demand (write in)

The choice is not entirely his to make. Mention the pressing threat of the Obsidian Queen.

We shouldn't be pressing so hard if we want to later cooperate militarily with them, and we will HAVE to, unless you guys want auntie to pick apart their technology and have us completely lose our tech advantage.

>>48529886
It would be unfortunate if, while the Hive was here, the population were notified of the
>Experiments on the other aliens
>Experiments on Humans
>Smiths
>Inciting war against the Commonwealth
>Truth behind the Moon
>Truth about the condition of Earth

Please add.

>>48529886
>>Threaten with an ultimatum (write in)
The arid world will be first. It is ours tomorrow, one way or another.

...Cuz we kinda have to move on the Valen hypergate now, before this whole negotiation leaks to them. Since they are so indebted to the Valen, they may end up telling some of them.

>>48529955
We have tech the Union is still dreaming about, anon.

>>48529883
Agreed. We can compromise while still being scary as fuck and getting a whole bunch. But I digress, Anons will be Anons afterall.

>>48529886
>Walk back your demand (write in)
Perhaps not. We require those systems or at least access to them and their resources that are not restricted by your government. What would you propose that would make this a reality. We are willing to negotiate with reasonable, rational, adults, which you have so far not acted as.

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
He's totally not thinkign about all the OPPORTUNITY here! Cheer him up a bit! We can like, trade stuff and tech with each other! And broker peace with the Unity!

>>48529941
>Three days.
Jesus anon, three days is like 9 threads.

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
He might be intractable, but a government works to preserve itself over all else. He will be overruled and sent back with concessions.

We really should try to provide a carrot to go with this massive stick we are jamming up their asses. I am not sure what they would want that we would be willing to provide, though... so solicit suggestions from him.

Agree that we are still somewhat lacking in understanding humans, and ask what he things would be adequate to help balm the sting of what we must do here. Phrase it like that, something we MUST do, because of how they have been acting.

Hell, we can even say that we would be willing to restore these territories to humanity in time, if they can prove responsible with them. I mean, we won't. But we can SAY it.

>>48529960
Only problem is the government can spin it into 'an aggressive alien race is spreading vicious propaganda to divide and conquer us.'

>>48529969
Not bad a response.

>>48529970
I don't care about the union, and I don't care the humans in general.

But a bunch of our technological advantage against the Obsidian Queen comes from the Humans. If Auntie decides to go to war on us, she will find the humans (she has found them already) and she WILL do the same thing we have done with the humans' tech. If the Black Queen manages to do that, we will lose our technological advantage against her.

I'm not sure how much more clear I can be on this.

>>48529850
I just use it for quests. It's pretty handy.

>>48529886
>Threaten with an ultimatum (write in)
"You assume i don't want to go to war with the union."
Maybe give him a touch of nausea for emphasis.
>Walk back your demand (write in)
Just Djin, darwin and desmond.
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government.
>>48529941
I like the time limit, supporting.

>>48529886
>>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
Attention has been drawn to the region. If the hive does not acquire ownership, soon another will seek it.

>>48529960
These became void the moment we made official contact with a huge ass war fleet and demanded planet from them

We just replace theuses as the scariest alien race

>>48530000
The threats are worth something. It's better to try then issue an ultimatum.

>>48529886
>>48529960
>Other
We can send these messages to the other governments, like the commonwealth and Valen as well.


We have been sticking our mandibles into the Human business this long so we can come up with stuff like this, now is the time to use it!

>>48530014
Be as clear as you want, doesn't change the fact that a good majority of our research is of our own design. Offshoots of offshoots.

>>48529985
I agree. We really need to solicit suggestions on a carrot from him. We don't want to irrepairably piss them off at least at this early stage. We need to make Morgan think he has at least some small power here and we aren't just imposing terms. He strongly reacts against the impression of slavery or us forcing concessions from him. Let's show we can be reasonable even when we are in a position of absolute power.

>>48529985
Agreeing with this. We need SOMETHING to make them think we're not just greedy space bugs, even if we are.

>>48529886
I think we should walk back our demands this is fucking stupid. Ask for the less populated system

CRUMBLING DOWN CRUMBLING DOWN CRUMBLING DOWN

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING

>>48529960
Don't forget the attempted assassination of Alder, the Green party leader. Although that may be covered under:
">Inciting war against the Commonwealth"

>>48530020
You know, this might be a really good route to take.

Tell them that we are just the first ones to come running after what they have stuck their hands into. Get him out of "cold anger" mode and back into "oh shit we fucked up" mode. Let him understand that there are a lot of big fish out there that are about to rip off his head and shit down his throat, and we're the best deal the Union, and the human race in general, can get.

With all this talk about carrots and sticks maybe it is time to offer immortality? Or maybe cybernetics and food?

>>48529886
>Other not at all human we made you we now your every thought and motion you are the remains of an ancient curiosity that has grown in to a liability do you think your self mighty we could trade ship for ship solder for solder citizen for citizen and we would recuperate in a matter of days we have fought gods for millina and survived we fear no mortal

>>48529886

>>48529985
I agree with this, QD, we need to add some carrot. It's a good idea to ask him.

>>48529886
>Threaten with an ultimatum (write in)
"On the contrary, we have studied you more than enough. We outstrip your Union in production, in numbers, in technology. The fleet around you now is the product of three months efforts by a single world. We do not demand this of humanity for pleasure, nor profit. We demand it because you have forced our hand. Events have been set in motion that cannot be stopped, and the eyes of the enemy rest now not only on the humans whose reach exceeds their grasp, but on the Hive which caught your failure before destruction fell. We have no choice but to accelerate. Our failure will mean your death as well."

>>48529886
"Purchasing would also be acceptable. How does immortality sound?

>>48529886
Sounds like generic HFY response.
And then all bugs died the end :(

You know, we haven't heard much from auntie lately.

>>48530060
Maybe show him aunt's huge amount of ships, or maybe our mothers on her last stand?
Or maybe mention that the void god can move through space?

>>48530069
Or, we could just point out there is an even bigger stick out there. >>48530060

>>48529886
Not budging on the Expanse. Just because 10k humans plant a flag in some dirt doesn't mean we should walk away.

>>48530020
This as well. We aren't taking the planets because we hate freedom or something,

>>48529886
>Give him time to discuss the demands with the Government
"And you have no idea what you have awoken. What we do must be done, because you have and continue to threaten to destroy us all. Now we must prepare for an invasion. You are lucky they will likely have to go through us to get to you.

We can still be a great boon to you. We have gifts to give. But your foolishness has forced our first meeting to be an unpleasant one."

>>48529960
This, we've still got lots of leverage against the leaders that we're not using.

>>48530063
We do need to start offering carrots. The damn humans are starting to get proud and defiant again, and it's not even the end of our first meeting.

>>48530075
I like it.

Please, guys, let's do SOMETHING to show we're reasonable. Ask him what he wants. We can be scary space bugs while at the same time not being evil, nonsensical invaders. Don't play into the stereotype. We need some of the expanse, but if we aren't going to take all of it we need some guarentee the Union won't do stupid stuff with what they still have. How will they insure that (ask him).

>>48530088
I think she's preparing to attack the Union now that she's discovered them

>>48530095
How about we offer carrots to the rugged frontiersmen who will defy our claims, not to Morgan.

>>48530020
This is smart. Agreeing. (I have made other suggestions in this thread, so this is just an addendum to whatever we ultimately decide to do).

>>48530100
This. I don't want the entire expanse anyway

>>48530092
Nah. They are already 100% sticked. We can't threaten them more than we already have.

>>48530110
>she's discovered them
Anon. Those Thinkers never reported back. You are so bad at paying attention.

>>48530100
>Ask him what he wants.
This is good.

We've stated out demands, but this can go two-way.

We can return the prisoners from Hope. We can offer them biomedical technology. We can ensure that the Unity attacks stop. We can have them meet the Skyl, if the Skyl wish to meet the Humans. We can help negotiate peace with the Commonwealth on better terms. We can offer protection against the Obsidian Queen and the Ceph.

>>48530095
We don't want to offer anything they can replicate or use against us, but something like biological immortality should be very attractive and show us as at least willing to talk.

If a dog is backed into a corner it will bite. If you offer it a bit of food it will come to you, not even knowing about the poison pill you slipped into the meat.

>>48530110
Boy, wouldn't that be a kick in the dick if an Obsidian Queen invasion force blinked right in on the other side of the system with our fleet parked right next to the planet?