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This thread is to expand on the loyalist successors of the Alpha legion, convinced they're Imperial Fists, with tactics involving stealth-defense and trap setting

>Founded in the 34th millennium, our chapter were created to crusade against the Imperiums enemies(allegedly), however it is unknown to the Imperium and indeed the chapter itself as to who our progenitor is, though they vehemently believe they are succesors of the Imperial fists. In truth, they were created with the Gene seed of the Alpha Legion who paraded themselves as elements of the Imperial fists third company whilst forming the chapter, a belief the chapter holds dear aand true from the hypno therapy and harsh indoctrination they use in recruitment. For unknown reasons, the Alpha legion made them in the guise of the fists.

>They believe in purity above all, and yet their own gene seed is flawed hyper-stimulating the Omophagea of many brothers and leading to the creation of their strnge and esoteric and mysterious Chapter culture. In legend, the former Captain of the fists third company slew a Daemon prince and led the chapter through many harrowing battles, in truth he was one of the Alpha Legion masquerading as an Imperail fist, as all the founding members were.

>Their homeworld is a feral ice world, which they only distantly 'rule'. Perhaps their mysterious creation is to blame for thei somewhat divergent chapter organization, their focus on ranged combat lends them specially modified bolters unique to their chapter. Their chapter badge involves a creature who features heavily in all their iconography.

>Currently, they are an endangered chapter, only a handful remain after(TBD). They are allied with a Navigator house and have a fierce hatred for the Chaos marines of (TBD)
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>>46122644
>>46013278

Last time, we discussed the homeworld, tactics, use of camo, history, and structure of the chapter

We're still early on, so every contribute towards everything
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Link to previous thread:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/46013278/

We should decide on the chapter badge once and for all.
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>>46123577
I'm for ghost Aquilla
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>>46123577
I went the drawthreads for the Aquilla idea
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>>46125103
Post what you get when you get anything, please. I can use it to make an infobox on the wiki
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Bump for exposure and comfort
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>>46127031
>Sanguine Shields.
Bruh.
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>>46127116
Cha bra?

I'm waiting for them to come back. The spectres and the shields both fill combat roles I think are pretty interesting
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>>46127142
You could always OP it, guy
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>>46123577
What do you want?
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>>46123577
Thanks for archiving that shit, a lot of good discussion in there
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>>46131751
It's the first thread, nigga. It's a must
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>>46127116
They're pretty dank
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We need to get back on topic. What are some important figures? What's their chapter structure like?
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>>46133376
I say we don't try to be special snowflakes and we largely stick to the Codex.
Maybe have one of two special positions, but stick to 10x100.
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>>46135454
Each one Could operate more autonomously almost like a cell
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>>46135728
So the captains would have a lot of power? That works.
We still need a badass Chapter Master though.
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>>46135864
Absolutely, it's required. He's probably the glue holding these niggas together, running as efficiently as they di
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>>46136175
Have we settled on a naming convention for our marines yet?
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>>46137980
Not really. How's it work for the alpha legion?
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>>46138948
They're all Alpharius… except for Omegon.
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>>46139104
Oh shit, I forgot they're the dudes with the same name. Don't they guck they're faces up, too?
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>>46139206
Yep, fucking Alpha Legion man.
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>>46139407
I guess that fits with Vietnamese, where they have like 7 last names between them all. We could bastardize Vietnamese to make it sound more Latin-y/cool
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>>46139571
Yeah, there's about 7-8 surnames that make up about 70% of all Vietnamese names
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>>46139771
The way they do it is, since there are such common last names, they'll refer to people by last name+middle name, like Smith-Hogarth or Smith-Zayne for example
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>>46139836
They could all share the name of Heros of the chapter, like some named after the master, some after the figure of legend, some after the chief librarian, ect
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>>46141194
would it be heresy to be named after Dorn? If so, no chance, but if its cool, maybe the important guys could be
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>>46123283
We've decided on those colors? What about the disruptive camo? Stuff looked cool
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>>46142549
I think we said anything larger than a space marine gets it
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Bump
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>>46142549
Terminators and vehicles get the disruptive camo.
When marines are sent on stealth missions, they wear camouflage.
That scheme is just the normal/parade colors.
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>>46141815
I don't think it'd be considered heresy, just a very strange thing to do.
Plus, the Chapter doesn't know about it's Alpha Legion origins.
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>>46145341
Yeah, but it's a naming scheme, and it can just be one of those hints of their origin. I'm not for using Dorn, it was just a suggestion
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>>46145309
Alright, that's fair.
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What do we discuss now?
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>>46147458
Tactics?
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Would the Hammers of Dorn like these guys?
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>>46148334
They'd like all the successors I think. I don't think they would like the Spectres back at all though
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>>46149234
Why do you say that?
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>>46150034
They're mysterious weirdos who claim they're from the same linage and use weird tactics. Most imperial fists successors are pretty proud too, so they might be insulted by the notion.
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OP here, signing off. I'd appreciate it if you guys kept this alive
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Number of things we could discuss:
1. Special characters, specifically the Chapter Master
2. Homeworld
3. Tactics
4 Chapter culture (might tie into point 2)
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Bump
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>>46153469
I guess we should just go down the list in order. We already have our figure of legend to work off of
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>>46154635
>>46153469
I have some ideas for the Chapter Master. I'll write something up.
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>>46154663
Go for it
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Chapter Master Bihn'Tu Nguyen-Guong, Slayer of the Last Suongia.

Bihn'Tu has been the Golden Spectres' Chapter Master for the past eight centuries.
As such he is given the daunting task of keeping track of the operations of chapter's ten Cell-Companies.

One of Bihn'Tu's most famous exploits is his hunt of the last of the Sunogia, great feral beasts that are feared by both the tundra travelling nomads on the surface,
as well as the tribes who live in their planet's underground jungles. The Sunongia were gigantic, horrid creatures, with multiple huge arms, massive tusks and sharp teeth, thick fur and spiked skin.
Stories of how the giants from the heavens brought down the first Sunogia are still told to children of [Chapter Homeworld],
but the story of how a single angel armed with only a knife and his clever tricks brought down the terrible beast is perhaps the most well known of all.

Bihn'Tu tracked the last Suongia, named Kinhso by local natives, for weeks. After figuring out the beast's routine, he started laying out traps in order to weaken the best.
He then lured the creature into a cavern, trapping himself inside with the Suongia. Even after suffering from massive wounds from all the traps placed by Bihn'Tu,
the last Suongia put up a great fight, but the chapter master was too much for the savage beast.

After ridding his world from the last of the Suongia, Bihn'Tu skinned it, creating a cloak from it's black fur and taking it's skull as a trophy.
He would later have the creature's sharpest fang made into a Combat Knife, to go with the one he was given upon his ascension to Chapter Master.

Suongia Rangnanh: This combat knife was made from the fang of the first Suongia ever slain by the chapter, Rangnanh. It has been passed down from Chapter Master to Chapter Master from millenia.

Suongia Kinhso: The youngest of the pair of knives, this one was forged from the teeth of the last of the feral beasts. Bihn'Tu wishes for the two knives to be kept together.
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>>46155909
I wasn't sold on the Vietnamese names, but fuck me if that didn't sound cool.

Good work anon, when I make the wiki page, I'll throw it up there
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>>46157099
We really need an emblem, guy
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Bump
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>>46157454
We need more drawfaggotry.
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>>46160781
We need more
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>>46160781
I'll take it to the draw thread. What should I do first, marine, or emblem?
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>>46160781
Well, its not like these threads are terribly active
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>>46155909
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Golden_Spectres
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Alright, the wiki brings up some good points

>Emblem
>Homeworld and Name
>Battlecry
>Strength (in exact numbers)
>Colors
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>>46163344
>Homeworld and Name

Rừngẩn, means hidden jungle
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>>46163344
We were endangered, right? How about maybe 400-470 marines left? It works, because of how autonomous they are
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>>46164399
sounds good to me
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>>46155909
>Suongia Rangnanh: This combat knife was made from the fang of the first Suongia ever slain by the chapter, Rangnanh. It has been passed down from Chapter Master to Chapter Master from millenia.
>Suongia Kinhso: The youngest of the pair of knives, this one was forged from the teeth of the last of the feral beasts. Bihn'Tu wishes for the two knives to be kept together.
Chapter artifacts are an interesting avenue to explore the chapter's personality. I'll make some in a bit
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Okay, so we've got a Chapter Master and an overworked, acting-Captain for the 8th company. Next?
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>>46165775
>>46163344
Also history

It's also nice to have someone else in here
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>>46165817
I'm really stumped on battlecry. In Dorn's memory? From the shadows? Never seen never heard? Death hidden all around?
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>>46167055
Keep trying guy
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Bump for laziness
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>>46167055

Without Remorse.

It fits for both the Fists side and the Legion side. Both will do their duty, whatever that may be, without flinching and without hesitation.
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>>46170471
I like it! This gets my vote, though I suspect we're the only ones in this thread
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>>46170591

Or for maximum memery, "We Loyal Few!" or some such.
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>>46170633
Without Remorse, because I'm no Memelord
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>>46170664
>>46170633
>>46170471
I put it on the wiki, progress!
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I'm off to bed, I hope this thread is still up in the morning!

If my computer is up and running tomorrow, then I'll work on the wiki and other stuff
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You're fucking welcome
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>>46172769
We already have colors though?
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>>46172769
Not bad
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>>46172769
That's just the celestial lions
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>>46174945
>>46172769
How's this? Keeps the green, but now it's not too much
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>>46177123
I honestly have no problems with the colors we already have.
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>>46177195
I kinda do. So I thought it'd be worth at least an attempt to redesign
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>>46177123
I'm game for it. I like the duller colors better than the ones from last thread
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>>46174945
And they're hideous.

>>46177123
Holloween marines?

>>46176964
It really isn't.

>>46177195
See your local Commissar for execution. Your taste is heretical
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>>46177847
>Halloween marines
Still better than knock off celestial lions
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We could go back to this? It was pretty popular last thread
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>>46178366
Yet the ones we have now got more votes.
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>>46178509
We could always come up with something new
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>>46178301
Darling, it isn't.

>>46178509
That's because /tg/ has no taste. Don't take majority vote as evidence of a not shit paint scheme
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>>46179843
Shit taste or no, it's a community project, so the majority should count the most
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>>46179922
This thread has the best critique >>46158415
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>>46180359
I like the color scheme
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>>46181122
That's well and good but your taste is awful.

The colour scheme is an offense to colour theory and spits in the face of their doctrine and lore.

It's both ugly and idiotic.
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>>46181305
You okay there pal? Awfully upset about fake people
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>>46183573
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>>46184946
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Looks like maybe I jumped the gun with the wiki
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Random question, but aren't the mentors hinted to be loyalist alphas.

> green color scheme
> highly trained and adaptive
> access to top of the line gear from mechanicum (alphas had this when they were loyal)
> embeds small groups of legionaries with indigenous/cultists
> a bunch of "sneaky" traits
> nobody knows exactly what the fuck they are doing, but they always seem to do well in the end
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>>46188152
These guys have nothing to hide and are very eager to prove themselves. They're all about hiding in the woods for months and setting traps, while picking off the enemy. They're not really reasonable, very brutal. Also, they don't know they're alpha scum
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>>46188152
Also, they have the opposite of top of the line gear
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>>46188300
With that description it almost seems better for them to the loyalist night lords.

The Heresy series don't have Alphas outright hiding as much as pretending to be someone else.

You could make the connection by having them do Vietname psy-ops level shit, ambushing a patrol then leaving totems behind to get on the enemy's nerves.
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>>46188636
>You could make the connection by having them do Vietname psy-ops level shit, ambushing a patrol then leaving totems behind to get on the enemy's nerves.
Oh please, yes.

We were mostly trying to combine imperial fists defense with alpha tactics
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>>46188300
Not with that paint scheme they're not
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>>46188747
So basically the Dune Talons?
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>>46189004
I'm down for changing it, guy
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>>46189028
Expect Vietnamese and existent. Among others
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>>46189115
>existent
It hurts.

Fallujah Marines where much cooler.

I don't know these guys seem pretty boring. At least the talons had the whole "Slightly crazy loathed glory Hounds that always get fucked up and and can't really sleep" thing going for them.

These guys seem to just rest their laurels on the fact they they are ALFA LEJUN THE HOLE TIEM! WHAT A TWEEST they have very little to distinguish them from Mentors and Raptors, the most opr8r chapters out there
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>>46189263
That's like, your opinion, man.

Here's the thing, we have the power to make these guys however we want. If you think they're boring, throw out some suggestions, man. I like their style of defense, I think its a nice niche not really covered by what's out there. I'd personally have these guys as stupidly unnecessarily survivalists, working almost entirely alone for months, having only their dedication to the mission and the emperor to keep them on their mission
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>>46189437
Kinda lame idea
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>>46190861
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You guys still want to keep going with them or no
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How's this?
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>>46194722
and a bog standard marine
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>>46194936
fugg
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>>46194954
Looks fine, maybe a duller gold
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>>46195003
some ideas for chapter insignia
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In the Spirit of the Alpha Legion, let's have them be a mysterious chapter that pops up from time to time. Their Home Sector is Tet, massively booby-trapped and largely out-of-range of the Astronomican.

The Sector Capital is known as Hue, a massive Jungle Death World, similar to Catachan. The PDF on that planet called themselves the Deathcong and see the Catachans as fierce rivals due to bad blood between the two. They are specialists in Jungle Warfare, much like the Catachans but are considerably more infantry-based due to lack of equipment and are amenable to Commissar authority.

Chapter: Golden Spectres
Homeworld: The Maw (An Icy deathworld)

Melee weapon-of-choice:
Powered Dagger-fists (Something like the katar or Keris)

Flagship: An Ancient Victory Class Battleship dating back to the Great Crusade, known as 'The last Doctrine'
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>>46195342
Work on subtlety, padawan, but this has promise
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Melee weapon:
Powered Dagger-fists (Highly Ornamental)

Preferred Ranged weapons:
Scoped 'Semi-auto' Bolters (Artificer modification with kraken rounds)

Preferred tactic: Infiltration, Guerrilla Warfare

The Golden Spectres are a highly unorthodox chapter in that they trained their scout companies almost exclusively in espionage, infiltration, psychological and asymmetrical warfare. Their scouts are indoctrinated in the ideals of the Emperor/parent Chapter given exposure to every type of Imperial weapon/vehicle in their arsenal (Much like the Alpha Legion) and are sent incognito to troubled locations in the Imperium. They also appear to have deep connections with many chapters. Their scouts have appeared in multiple chapters (Unbeknownst to the chapters) and then disappeared and assumed dead (Normally, when the battle was about to be won).
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>>46195342
Remember anon, they don't know that they are Alpharius.

Instead, let's let them be the corollary to the Dune Talons. They do their job in reverse. Instead of Opr8ing their way into an inevitable Iron Cage they set up the Iron Cage then Opr8 within it. Basically predator meets Rambo as opposed to the Dune Talons which is Zero Dark Thirty meets Black Hawk Down.

Am I making sense?

The two probably go great together.
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>>46195556
Brother chapters that are treated with mistrust and hate?

Army Special Forces and Marine Corps Force Recon?

The Trappers and the Hunters?

The Ghosts and the Hawks?

Arbites and Mechanicus?

Ice and jungle with Desert and Concrete?

The Dagger and the Sledge?

HOOAH an HOORAH?

Unwanted Adoptions and the Bastard Sons?

I can dig it
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Question:

The Alpha Legion disguised themselves as an Imperial Fists company to create the Golden Spectres: wouldn't the actual Imperial Fists find it suspicious that someone showed up dressed as one of their companies?
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So they are hunters first, I see (I was envisioning something along the lines of Vietcong).

Chapter: Golden Spectres

Battle-cry: 'We take life from the unworthy'

Speciality: Hit and Run, guerrilla warfare/ambushes

Ground Combat Doctrine:
Golden Spectres deployed in war zones across the Galaxy in detachments. In the opening salvos they would kill and isolate enemy patrols/lesser forces, while their fleet bombard the main Xenos/heretical forces from orbit. Space marines accompanied by heavy support would strike at the fronts, while at the same time jet bikes/assault marines would attempt to outflank them to establish local superiority.

When enemy resistance prove too strong/stubborn, the Golden Spectres would retreat and try to entice the enemy into predetermined kill zones.

Space Doctrine:
Ships under the command of the Golden Spectres would peel away from extended naval engagements, instead focusing on cutting away the supply lines of the opposing force and ambushing isolated enemy spacecraft. This had the effect of some chapters/fleet admirals calling the Spectres 'cowardly' and 'unreliable' allies, as they would ignore all vox communication in the heat of battle and follow their own tactical objectives/agenda.

The ships of the chapter normally operate in packs of 5 and in deep enemy territory for decades on end, with no contact with the greater Imperium.
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I was also thinking their Scout companies could be trained somewhat like Vietcong Sappers/Commandos. Assault marines could also be attached as well as a repository of experience and transhuman backup.

They would be outfitted with standard scout equipment, as well as various types of explosives (Depending on mission type).

In other words, they would infiltrate spearheads and seized key areas, sabotage/destroy defense installations, attack command and control nodes located deep inside enemy territory, plant explosives on enemy vehicles, and help the main force of space marines/IG to advance. The raiding force would be grouped into assault teams, each broken down into several assault cells.
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>>46196027
They take the faces of the dead and surgically graft them to the faces of their soldiers.
In Deliverance Lost they do it to the Raven Guard. They don't find out until after the intruders set their plan into motion. Afterwards they are forced to perform tests on the geneseed of every marine that remains, just to be sure they got all Alpha Legionaires.
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>>46195303
There was talk of having the symbol be a three-headed spectral aquilla. I kinda liked that.
Another idea might be three black skulls, or maybe with the rib cages still attached?

>>46194722
I like it, but it needs more gold. These colors will be the ones they wear during all-out war or ceremonies, during actual stealth missions they use camouflage.
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>>46196399
>>46196291
I'm digging it so far
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Let's give it a little of that Indochinese aesthetic
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>>46198579
Black teeth?
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How the Golden Spectres view the Emperor
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>>46195303
Sythe maybe no, considering how theres like three with it and it's pretty distinctive
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Initiation Ritual:

Aspiring space marine initiates are called to the Jungle Death World of Tet where they will face the ultimate challenge. For an entire month in the lethal jungles of Tet, they'll be hunted down by a dedicated battalion of space marines (Who will hunt, shoot and kill them on sight/auspex) , as well as the infinitely lethal wild-life. Any Aspirants who managed to save the month (Known as The Culling) will be accepted into the chapter.

However, there is also a way to bypass the brutal initiation ritual, which is to slay a marine of the Golden Spectres (Predator vibe) of the hunting pack.
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The vicious flora and fauna of Tet are every bit as fierce as the fame ones on Catachan.

For instance, the Death tree (Capable of killing humans with a single touch), the large 'roaches' (The Size of Land speeders) swarms that plagued the planet, poisonous spitting snakes (With transdermic venom), Acid vines, wild packs of gnox, the gigantic yet elusive 'Funnel' web' (The size of a land raider), enormous hordes of ants (Able to kill and eat an adult human within minutes), the 'buzzkill' hornet (Size of a bolter) and last but not least 'spore givers' have also been recorded (Basically superhuman zombies with enough strength to grapple with a space marine) deep in the forest. The Magos Biologis have launched countless expeditions into the 'primary' forest but none had made it back.

Picture: A Poor late-stage Tet victim of a 'spore-giver'
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Oops, tricked over the fluff. The Death World is 'Hue'. Sorry about that.

P.S Black Sharpened teeth might be a cool aesthetic, (Could add it in?)
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>>46199057
Don't sweat it, man.

I'm down for sharpened teeth
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>>46198579
Lets not?

>>46199057
Hue is a retarded name
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>>46199106
huehuehue gib tithe
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I'm going to tell why all this Indochina shit is retarded.

Do you see any Indochinese influence in the fists or any of their successors? No, it's anglo as fuck, innit?

Black Templars, White Templars, Crimson Fists (Spaniards are still Euro), even the Imperial Fists. All super anglo and shitbread, their defining trait being stupidly stubborn, siege breaking, and getting Iron Caged.

Now WHY THE FUCK would the Alpha Legion, ruselords seconded only by Trayzn then Tzeentch himself, make a chapter so blantaly outside of the Fist cultural and doctrinal norm as an infiltrating force? They wouldn't.

Doctrinal? Sure, it's like they went "Hey that Iron Cage business was a good trick, wunnit?" and have reverse engineered siege warfare to where they basically turn the battlefield into a castle covered in murder holes and booby traps. This is understandable.
>>46198612
>>46198579
>>46199057
>>46198851
Is not. The Spectres would try and stay as close as possible to Imperial Fist norms as to not out themselves, even if they don't consciously know what they are. Their ultimate goal as a loyalist chapter would be to be accepted into the Fists, maybe even be allowed to get a chance at the Dornsblade. Having them as Vietcong is only going to get them isolated and on everyone's radar.

We should have them be Special Forces meets Predator, not asian.
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>>46199261
>shitbread
Whitebread.

>>46199121
That makes it worse.
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And then out of nowhere.......

DREADNOUGHTS!!!!!!!
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Our even....

BREADNOUGHTS!!!!!!
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So basically they are bland generic Imperial Fist Copies/Wannabes, who just happened to be of Alpha legion gene stock.

That just sounds like Fodder material to me. Removing the Indo-Chinese influences and streamlining it is possible (Similar to that of the White Scars). But If you want a chapter full of Anglo hunters who live to suck Dorn's Primarch dick, fine, go play with your Imperial Fists then.

Just stop all that Dorn-wanking
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>>46199417
>bland generic Imperial Fist Copies/Wannabes
All the better to infiltrate. Besides their doctrine alone sets them apart.

>Fodder material
That's exactly what they avoid.

>Anglo hunters who live to suck Dorn's Primarch dick, fine, go play with your Imperial Fists then.
Why would I play Fists when I want hunters? Anon, that makes no sense. Besides, "Hunters". 'Merican SOF+Yautja doesn't stray too far from the Fists.

>Just stop all that Dorn-wanking
>Dorn-wanking
Excuse me, but can you point that out to me? I haven't seen any plot twists, just heavy handed attempts to make these guys interesting by slapping on obvious cultural influences.
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>>46199534
>any plot twists
*any of that, only plot twists
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>>46199534
There is nothing wrong with having some Vietnamese influences, like names for Marines and such.
I do agree that they should not be too outlandish, they are still trying to be like the Fists.
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>>46199917
If anything about them is Vietnamese it should be a few marines themselves based on tithes. Everything else should be based on American commandos and hunters
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>>46199981
The Vietnamese names are alright. The home world culture should have a Vietnamese vibe.
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>>46200221
But the Chapter and marines itself should go full Call of Duty/Apocalypse Now
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>>46199261
Valid point, and I agree.
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>>46200261
>>46200221
Their values could be Vietnamese
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>>46200660
In what way?
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>>46200862
>Vietnamese value system is based on four basic tenets: allegiance to the family, yearning for a good name, love of learning, and respect for other people

Obviously, we can change these to suit the grim darkness, but I think it's a good place to start
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>>46201106
Allegiance to your squad, yearning to climb the ranks of the chapter, desire to educate and respect for regular humans?
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>>46201466
Allegiance to the Chapter, working towards building a reputation both for the Chapter on yourself, training all day ereday, and respect your genebrothers, your battle brothers, and your little brothers.

With the added tennants
>If he runs he's a heretic, if he stays he's a well disciplined heretic

>Be polite, professional, and plan to kill everyone you meet

>What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So always be sure to kill your enemy the first time around

>What they don't know will hurt them. Let the enemy know nothing.

>The battlefield is your playbox. Have some fun with it.

>The battlefield it your home. Defend it all costs, make those who infiltrate suffer slowly and totally.
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>>46202064
>>What they don't know will hurt them. Let the enemy know nothing.
>>The battlefield is your playbox. Have some fun with it.
>>The battlefield it your home. Defend it all costs, make those who infiltrate suffer slowly and totally.
These three are goat. Maybe change "fun" with "creative" though
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>>46199417
>>46199534

Not all Fists successors are cardboard cutout Prussian Siege Masters.

>Black Templars
(non-codex crusaders who fully adopted the Ecclesiarchy as their Chapter Cult)

>Executioners
(borderline Khornate space barbarians, currently on a penitent crusade for dicking over the Howling Griffons)

>Fire Lords
(pyromaniacs)

These Chapters still participate in the Feast of Blades centennial tournaments and are accepted as true sons of Dorn, despite not being codex compliant. They are some of the grittiest, gutsiest Space Marines in the galaxy, even if they prefer different tactics to the Fists.

Golden Spectres could get away with some Viet Cong style stuff as long as they also took some inspiration from historical European guerillas and had some cultural links to the Imperial Fists. But they don't have to be exact copies of the Fists to be seen as successors.
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>>46203247
>historical European guerillas
It was kinda invented (or at least coined) by the Spaniards
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>>46203298
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>>46203247
This. We just have to make it feasible that these guys could pass as fists successors, the way they fight can be as brutal as we allow it (as long as we don't go full chaos)
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>>46208914
Last thread we rolled a bunch of heavy weapons, the heavy flamer, heavy bolter, and unique power fists. While fine for ambushes and pillboxes, these guys need something light they can carry with them in when they're doing their more maneuverable shit
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>>46208972
>>46208914
>>46208859
>>46208830
>>46208784
I have a bunch of tutorials on traps and encampments if you guys are interested
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>>46209054
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>>46209054
Anyone?
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Golden Spectre's Underground Fortress Monastery
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>>46213735
Was that shit from the movie?

But yeah, basically, but with more tunnels and gothic architecture
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>>46209054
>>46212344
Dude fucking chill with the Vietcong stuff.

Think more SAS
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I say we keep the Initiation Ritual then and ground combat doctrine then. In which case, the Golden Spectre would fortify locations in advance and try to either crush their opponent with overwhelming force or bait them (with their mobile detachments) to pre-determined and fortified kill zones

The Vietcong Sapper scouts (Which are in reality, no different from how many chapters train their scouts as Special ops/stormtroopers)+Assault marines could be an interesting variation (Not enough to differentiate themselves from the Imperial Fists but as a hint to their heritage).

We could lose the Indo-Chinese aesthetic. The Black Sharpened teeth might be a good touch.

Alas, there is no racial/cultural diversity in the 41st Millenium, only Anglos, some blacks, some Latinos and Mongols.

The ice World of Skaldi is a frozen deathworld, with no fucking atmosphere. In fact, anything short of a fucking power armored space marine is not going to survive in Borea's Ultra-cold, frigid and lifeless landscape. Not to mention, Borea experiences extreme snowstorms every decade or so that actually prevents spacecraft from landing en mass on the planet.

The only landmark of note on Borea is the Golden Spectre's Underground GOLDEN Fortress Monastery that is buried beneath the ultra-hard ice.

Instead of burying their dead, the Golden Spectres strip them off their power armor and freeze them like ice statues in the Hall of Dawn, greeting any visitors to the chapter. For less-intact/unrecoverable space marine corpses, they are frozen and buried en mass in the Chapel Of Twilight
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>>46214739

Indo-Chinese aesthetic on an ice world would be an interesting variation.
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>>46216565
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>>46216565
But we're dropping it.

Don't mention it again
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>>46217632
God, you're a nigger
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>>46217632
I dunno man. Having asian influences is actually pretty sweet.
Also, lose the attitude.
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>>46217470
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>>46219215
Yeah but >>46203247
>>46202064
>>46199261
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>>46220640
The asian influence should go as far as names and homeworld culture.
I agree that the chapter itself should just focus on general guerilla tactics and, like >>46199261 says, Special Forces meets Predator.
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What should I start adding to the wiki?
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>>46222425
Wiki?

>>46221999
That's what I've been trying to say.
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>>46222453
1d4chan page
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>>46222425
Just take a look at other pages for homebrew chapters and copy their layout:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Cardinal_Knights
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Abyssal_Jaws
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>>46222555
>Cardinal Knights
Man, that takes me back to the early days of Hua Yuan
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>>46222555
>>46163138
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>>46223276
I'll take care of that shit when I get some free time
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>>46220375
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>>46222555
>cardinal knights
what a shitshow
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>>46227146
I still drawfagged for it though



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