Here is the summary of what we rolled, and one thing we decided

Founded in the 34th millenium, our chapter were created to crusade against the Imperiums enemies(allegedly), however it is unknown to the Imperium and indeed the chapter itself as to who our progenitor is, though they vehemently believe they are succesors of the Imperial fists. In truth, they were created with the Gene seed of the Alpha Legion who paraded themselves as elements of the Imperial fists third company whilst forming the chapter, a belief the chapter holds dear aand true from the hypno therapy and harsh indoctrination they use in recruitment. For unknown reasons, the Alpha legion made them in the guise of the fists.

They believe in purity above all, and yet their own gene seed is flawed hyper-stimulating the Omophagea of many brothers and leading to the creation of their strnge and esoteric and mysterious Chapter culture. In legend, the former Captain of the fists third company slew a Daemon prince and led the chapter through many harrowing battles, in truth he was one of the Alpha Legion masquerading as an Imperail fist, as all the founding members were.

Their homeworld is a feral ice world, which they only distantly 'rule'. Perhaps their mysterious creation is to blame for thei somewhat divergent chapter organization, their focus on ranged combat lends them specially modified bolters unique to their chapter. Their chapter badge involves a creature who features heavily in all their iconography.

Currently, they are an endangered chapter, only a handful remain after(TBD). They are allied with a Navigator house and have a fierce hatred for the Chaos marines of (TBD)

Bump for those from the last imploded thread who may be looking for this

>>46013278
>suggestion of a name

Biomarines

>>46013344
So are they secret heretics or secret loyalist alpha? If the latter a past with Alpha Legion would be neat.

>>46015800
Neither per say

My idea was that the alpha legion took the opportunity presented by the Administratum ordering the creation of a new chapter to interced. They made a chapter from their general seed and the founding members were all Alpha legion, but masquerading as Imperial Fists to trick the Imperium as well as their recruits. New initiates were subjected to extreme hypno therapy, indoctrination and subliminally convinced that they were/are succesors of the Imperial fists.

In addition, I thought alot of their iconography, legends, myths, traditions etc. Involve many heads. Suggesting that the Alpha legion did more with all their hypnosis and stuff (which is still used by the Chapter and accepted as tradition) planting subliminal messages and triggers involving many headed beings Dorn, the Emperor and even chaos.

Are they closet traitors who will change sides once a particular phrase is spoken? Perhaps, or perhaps not. I kinda want their end goals/true purpose to be shrouded in mystery even for them.

That make sense?

>>46016024
Sounds cool!

>>46016223
Thanks anon!

I was thinking for their chapter badge the three gears of a chimera, goat snake and lion, at a side profile each one with a halo a Bovey it's head or something

Still need colors and and amenities though, any suggestions?

>>46016371
The three heads of a chimera I meant

>>46016371
And name not amenities.... fucking autocorrect

Bump, maybe we should combine Alpha legion and fist colors? Or go for something original, trying to get ball rolling here on color scheme

bump

bump

I dunno, something like "The Dragon's Fist" or something. Use a pale yellow for primary color, but with metallic teal effects and gauntlets. One of their special weapon could be a power fist with a one-shot concealed weapon inside. Some sort of dragon/chimera head featured prominently on the armor and actively worked into the gauntlets.

>>46016371
www.coolors.co/app

>>46022750
The Dragon fists? I like it for a name, though we may yet change the chapter badge animal to a multi headed dragon of sorts, Or just keep it a chimera and prominently feature the dragon head, yea that sounds good.

I like the coloration idea... I'm gonna see what I can do with Bolter and Chainsword, though 'metallic teal' effects is probably not possible on that I can certianly painte it on my minis.

I also really like the power fist with a concealed weapon, feels ver Alpha Legion sneaky mixed with Imperial Fist brutality, I could see a particularly powerful one being a chapter relic

>>46022757
Thanks, useful for colors

So, the Chapter is the the Dragon Fists, their color scheme is a plae icy yellow with metallic teal eefects and gauntlets. Objections?

If none, next topic for fluff! Lets talk homeworld, seperate our feral ice world from everyone elses.

Since the Alpha Legion are some serious 'Just as planned' fucks, why don't we say the planet is seaded by them as well? Tribal legends often involve many headed creatures, terrifyng gods who walk the earth in service to unknown forces? No direct Hydra Iconography, as Hydras would be unkown on the world, but other many headed beasts, dragons, Chimeras, bears all such things are found on the world.

Additional ideas? Thoughts on this?

>>46022968
Cerberus was a three-headed dog. Could we use that as a fall-back option?

>>46022750
First try at the color scheme, I suck at coming up with good looking stuff though and I'm not sure about the yellow

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>>46023421
Fuck me I forgot the picture also

>>46023276
I forgot about the Dog of hell, I like the idea, though if we do switch to Cerberus I think we would need a different name unless we covered him in scales

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>>46022968
something like this?

>>46023464
Eh, I'd rather not have them use a reptile for several reasons
1. Ice planet, not many around(though I did mention dragons in folklore so whatever)

2. I don't want it THAT overtly obvious the Alpha legion had stuff with them(as in made them) so I wanted a mammal or something, like cerberus or a chimera

Dragon fists is also not a great name now that I think about it, so lets change it

I'd like their totem animal to be either Cerberus or a Chimera, any ideas for new name?

>>46023577
Greek stuff is a little overdone in 40k. It can be any animal as long as you give it multiple heads, we can get super creative like a three headed hawk or three headed Panther

>>46024268
That is a good point, I honestly like chimera cause Chimera's are awesome, but yea I suppose any three headed creature will work

HOWEVER, OP has to sleep now, so I can't way in on that. Feel free to deliberate while I sleep, I can chime in when I wake up

Till then, don't let the thread die pls

OP is now sleep

>>46024333
I'll try, but I have to sleep too

>>46023577
Well, there name should reflect their personality. What're they like?

>>46015800
Secret loyalists it seems

>>46025812
Combine the sneaky alpha legion with the stubborn fists and you've about got it

OPENS is back

>>46029954
OK, as OP and as the man who is making this chapter for his actual models, decisions have been made

Name-Dorn's Beasts
Chapter badge-The three heads of a chimera. The dragon head is faced forward profile, the goat nd lion have side profiles. Each head has a halo above it, and the lion and Goat are sbarling whilst the Dragon is not.
Colors-A pale yellow base, effects and gauntlets a metallic teal

MOVING ON

Their homeworld, I have suggested it, like the chapter, be seaded by the Alpha legion for unkown reasons, with many of the tribes worshippung many headed beings as 'gods' of fear, death, and secrecy. Not unlike the chapter on their world

Thoughts? Anyone have things to add such as how recruits are chosen or traditions amongst the people? Anyone have writefag ideas?

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Here is an improved version of the color scheme from B&C

Let's keep the power fists with concealed weapons, that bit works just fine.

I've got the feeling a chapter like this should be disproportionately heavy on serfs, many of which are specalista operatives or reserve troops.

>>46031405
Hmmm... yea that could be interesting, similar to the Alpha Legion use of cultists or, for a more loyalist viewpoint, Space Wolf thralls.

Though different, no an army so much as specialist operatives like you say for gathering(or obscuring) information, and then probably a larger reserve of troops than most chapters could muster. I like it, makes interactions between them and other chapters more interesting.

Do I've been thinking about the 'Chapter Cult' and I had an idea. What if they worship Dorn as a sort of god? Like, they have their own legends and holy texts about how Dorn was a living god, and that he guides his sons even now.

Thoughts? Maybe they depict hm with many heads cause thats been a theme throughout this

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>>46023446
That yellow is hideous.

Almost all yellows are hideous.

Try something like a main color of icy green, very muted tones, almost white with the backup color being the green you have now.

Icy yellow is just piss snow man.

>>46031809
Well, the color is mutable, let me see what I can do

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>>46031809
oK, first try with suggested color scheme

Is the green icy enough?

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>>46032033
With bolter for reasons

>>46031352
He's like a piña colada marine

>>46031405
Heavy on Aspirants and Scouts too, yes?

>>46033679
I'd say yea, but that their actual scout company is no bigger than any other... officially at least.

Alot of aspirants and scouts are most likely cloistered in the fortress monastery for an abnormally long time for the intense hypno therapy and indoctrination they go through, thought manipulation is tough you know?

Well, seeing as no one has weighed in on the homeworld or tribes yet, we will go what I have for now and improve on it later.

Lets finish there summary by filling in the TBD parts, starting with their riivals. What chaos legion/warband are they intense enemies with(ironically considering their origins)?

>>46033253
Honestly I still prefer the pina colada look so I'm probably gonna paint them like that, and its remaining their colors.. cause I like it

>>46034394
I also like it, my man

Ok, I'm gonna make this go a bit quicker, we got other stuff to work on

roll a d100, I'll use the chaos marine creation table and we are just rolling to see what legion or warband we are rivals with. If we roll a legion, they are the ones, if we roll renegade chapter then we need to either find or make a warband for them to fight. I'd rather just find one as I want to get my chapter done for my army

so, roll 1d100

Rolled 39 (1d100)

>>46034688

>>46034763
The iron warriors, huh, oddly fitting for self proclaimed sons of Dorn, good, very good

Now for something very important, why are they cuurently endangered in strength(ie. only a handful of marines, so like 2 or 3 companies)? What fate has befallen them?

>>46034845
Could be trouble with the inquisition? Or maybe a bunch of their boys turned chaos?

>>46034891
Hmmmmm... maybe... problem is 'trouble with the inquisiton' means that either they are actively hunting them or, like the space wolves, they recently won a war with them.

I kinda don't like this cause now I have this plot forming in my head for why the Alpha legion have done this soooo... one moment and I'll explain my idea for critique

>>46034985
I thought maybe the reason the Alpha legion went all 'your imperial fists succesors' with them was to get them into the Feast of Blades, where all the fists and their successors woul be all at one, and once there the long millenia of psychological triggers and hypno indoctrination take effect, the chapter suddenly attacking the true sons of dorn all at once with all thier might when they are at their most vulnerable.

Even if the fists themselves were not destroyed, surely they would take massive casualties to such an unexpected attack ,the same for their succesors, some of which may be destroyed.

The Chapter was created to be so zealous in their belief that they are Fists succesors to hopefully eventually convince the fists that they were indeed succesors, and allow them into the great feast of blades

I apologise if that is not the name of the big celebration competition the fists have with their succesors

This sound good or interesting or should I scrap it?

>>46035057
Maybe, but fucking arounbd with established chapters never sits well with me

>>46035780
It's a good point, it starts to screw with the cannon of GW itself... not that their more than occasionally retarded stuff SHOULD be messed with the Fists are largely free of such dross... with a few snags.

I mainly have that as an endgame even they don't know about, and that it hasn't happened yet. I like to give chapters I make an End times like hook like that like alot of cannon chapters have ie. Guiliman Healing, The Salamander artifacts being found, and other ominous stuff.

I don't know, I like it but in the end its just fluff anyways

So about dat reason we are endangered... it is possible maybe some of the triggers went off early somehow? Causing a strange, sudden and quick inter-chapter war as a large amount of the marines suddenly opened fire on their bothers?

It could lead to some interesting plotlines, involving members of the chapter looking inward, wondering why their brothers so suddenly turned against them.

>>46036125
Yeah, but unless they kept it super under raps, the inquisition would investigate thier asses real quick. It'd work a lot better if they were blood angel successors, too, black rage and all, but oh well.

Could be a battle that they were sent to assist the Imperial fists, but upon arrival, started opening fire on everyone, brothers and enemies alike (Imperial fists bailed at this point, so as to not truly fuck themselves over)

>>46035057
Scrap it, last I thought they were secret loyalists.

>>46037438
I think the original point was that we weren't sure cause the Alpha legion are such sneaky fucks

Regardless
i'll scrap it

Alright, lets talk chapter cult/culture

I suggested they worship Dorn as a god, possibly often depicting him with several heads.

Anyone care to expand? What aspect of Dorn do we worship? As a war god? A builder of fortesses? Keeper of secrets? Any ideas?

>>46038886
As a god might be a stretch, but venerate him to the extreme could work. I'd say they'd see him as the eternal protector, what with his fortress autism and Imperial Fists being the defenders of terra

>>46039455
YEa good point, as a god MAY be a bit much. Weird obsession though? Most definitely. I imagine the Imperil fists are a mixed bag about the chapter? What are their opinion on the chapter nor recognized as one of their succesors with their contradicting history to the fists own?

>>46039639
Probably extreme dismissal

"Lord, marines came to our aid! They claim to be our successors!"

"The who? Silly thought. Station them in the rear guard so they don't get in the way"

>>46040424
Lel, I can just imagine the Imperial fists frustrating them!

Especially when they attempt to come to the feast of blades and get turned away

They have tried to get into each one every single time since the 34th millenium, must get pretty annoying for both parties

"Our champion is ready to compete in the ring our sacred father's first sons Hold! We wish to bring honour to our chapter!"

>>46040739
Should their battle strategy reflect Imperial fists? Never surrender? Stealth defense?

>>46040797
Absolutely, they seek to be as like their patron as possible(while retaining thir own culture of course)

>>46040972
How about they go the Viet Kong route of defense, with traps and tunnel systems and guerrilla warfare

>>46041160
I really like this, they set sneaky traps and dig tunnels, use tactics most marines would never think of, Alpha legion founding and all that, pluss it gives REAL fists and their succesors another reason to possibly mistrust or dismiss them

Ok, so have we decided that the reason they are currently an endangered chappter is because a substantial number of them seem to have rendomly started cutting down allies in the midst of a campaign involving the imperial fists?

>>46043971
I guess, sure

Any thoughts on specialized war gear and/or relics, apart from the surprise powerfists? Localized ECM, comms dickery, deployable mines/traps/whatever?

>>46045274
I'd say they should have some unique traps. Maybe... like instead of frag grenades marines are commonly equipped with frag and krak mines. I also think they're bolters should be a bit unique in look. Like, unlike other bolters have an actual Stock made of wood from their homeworld, and since they are focused on ranged/stealth combat defense their bolter are made to be more accurate with the Stock plus scopes and other stuff

Should they also use camo like the mantis warriors did? Or are they starting to get to close to reasonable marines at that point?

>>46045439
I'm thinking ghillie suits, man. That way they can retain their livery without fucking it up, although, now that I think about it, I do kinda want camo marines. They should also be good at trap making without supplies, like pungie pits and fire bomb traps, that way they can rambo it out for as long as they need, sometimes being in combat that takes months of stalking and slowly widdling down forces

As for reasonable marines, we can always make them more extreme, especially in personality

>>46046542
They could always be hardcore surivalists, or autistic about making traps, or never surrender like Japanese hold-outs camping out in holes in the woods, or really play into the fear of stalking enemies and indirectly fucking with them, or they could be like the space marine versions of predators, or never surrender or feel fear like the fists, or play up the loner nature

There's tons of ways to take these niggas, its all up to our imaginations

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>>46046542
I'm down for camo

>>46022750
Marines locorum?

Bedtime bump

>>46046542
>>46046673
>>46046838
All of these things YES!

Obviously not all, some of these are obviously conflicting but these are all interesting topics

Maybe they interchangeably use gilly and camo? or it is up to the individual marine?

I definitely like the idea of them being like the viet cong/japanese no surrender, no retreat and the whole improvised trapmaking.

Well, OP must now sleep, but keep talking tactics and mannerisms if you please, its an interesting part of the army that I hope to include in my units after we do all this.

Ok, don't let thread die, OP is now sleep

Bump

>>46047363
I guess camo could go a few ways. Positions like Chaplain or Librarian could keep their standard colors but use ghillie suits, while tactical marines use whatever camo is standard, or we can just have them all camo, and have different patterns or colors integrated depending on rank, and paldrons colored accordingly. Or other ideas I can't think of at 5:12 in the morning

>>46047363
If we haven't figured out chapter organization, we can do that too

So what name have we settled on?
I've seen both Dragon Fists and Dorn's Beasts, but I'm not particularly fond of either.

Don't think camo is that great either. It's been done before. Raptors, Mantis Warriors, Reasonable Marines.

It might be a good idea to settle on a theme for the chapter, like how the Ultramarines are Romans. That will allow us to decide on names and imagery for the chapter and the marines.

>>46050509
How about we have themed as medival Spain?

>>46050509
Well, I said Dorns Beasts but I'm not married to the name(OP is back btw), and Dragon Fists was basically thrown out.

I suppose camo has been done before yes, but so have most things

A theme would not be remiss I suppose.

>>46050558
The Crimson Fists are already kinda Spanish, plus that takes us in a super different direction


We could keep following the Viet Cong theme, use Vietnamese names and such... I don't know, just a suggestion

>>46050900
I'm not stoked about going full vietnamese, just modeling their tactics

>>46050509
Camo's fine, it's just a means to an end. It's kinda like saying armored assault has been done before

Theme, depends on how we want these guys to behave, all tacticool, savage, religiously fervent, ect

>>46050900
>>46051359
Using their tactics for an Alpha Legion/Imperial Fists hybrid is pretty genius, seeing as the Viet Cong build massive tunnel complexes underground.

I wouldn't have a problem with Vietnamese (inspired) names.

>>46051379
Whilst camo Power Armor makes sense from a tactical point of view, it's just not very striking or cool.

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>>46051391
What about disruptive camo?

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>>46051425
Having patterns on the armor just end up looking really silly.

Just look at Rogue Trader Salamanders.

>>46050509
My vote is for something ancient like the celt-Iberians or Scythians or Assyrians or Illyrians

>>46051485
desu baka senpai, I always thought they looked alright

>>46051379
>>46051391
Personally I like the camo idea to an extent. they have chapter colors, and are undoubtedly proud of them, but I could see soetimes camo

>>46051425
>>46051485
I don't know, yea it can look a bit silly, but its so... fucking upsetting to opponents

I like the idea of Disruptive camoflage, mixed with Viet cong-esque tactics, by religous zealots

Besides the camo would be used or not dependent on the campaign they are taking part in

>>46051507
Other than Assyrians I know little about these, please explain what they would entail?

btw, off topic a bit, but it seems another chapter is currently being rolled, and they happen to be ACTUAL sons of Dorn... shall we have talks with this other chpter and its creators? Obviously we should continue to fluff us up first, and they are behind us fluff wise atm

>>46052169
It seems like the other one is basically dead right now. If they both get traction, sure

>>46052341
Alright, back on topic

So we still don't really have a name

Dragon fists and Dorns beasts, but we aren't really fans of either

They are pretty obsessed with Dorn, and their symbol is a chimera, let's brainstorm some names guys

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>>46052596
I say we roll up a name, if we roll up a bad one then atleast we can get some ideas

>>46052596
The silent protectors?
The hidden defenders?
Legacy of Dorn?

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>>46052619

Rolled 74, 22 = 96 (2d100)

>>46052628
>>46052619
Fuck it

Rolled 57, 35 = 92 (2d100)

>>46052619
>>46052628
rollan!

>>46052619
>>46052628
ALright, we will roll

give me... 5 rolls of 2d100

>>46052621
I like Legacy of Dorn, so its on list nnow
>>46052649
Silver Dvourers is first roll, 4 more

Rolled 83, 59 = 142 (2d100)

>>46052619
>>46052628
>>46052664
2 d100 comming right up!

Rolled 30, 94 = 124 (2d100)

>>46052628
>>46052619
While not a fan, I can't pass up some good rollan

>>46052664
The other two aren't that bad, might as well include them

>>46052680
ooooh! I like star sad an adjective

>>46052661
Night Griffons

>>46052680
Star Rampagers

>>46052724
>>46052681
>>46052680
>>46052661
>>46052621
SO OUR CURRENT ROSTER OF CHOICES
Silent protectors
Hidden Defenders
Legacy of Dorn
Steel Devourers
Night Griffons
Star Rampagers

Any of these catch the eye, or should we keep rollan?

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dice+2d100

Not a fan of having the Primarch in the name, so I'm rollan

Rolled 67, 98 = 165 (2d100)

>>46052619
>>46052628
Rollan one last time for fun

Rolled 36, 71 = 107 (2d100)

>>46052751
and I'm a retard

>>46052754
Sable(Name of homeworld)
>>46052765
Golden Spectres

>>46052750
I like the name Star Rampagers

>>46052765
>golden spectres
Damn

My personal favrites(in no particular order)

Star Rampagers
Legacy of Dorn
Golden Spectres

>>46052836
Damn good or damn bad?

>>46052851
Also do we keep Rollan? Or is one of these popular with us for use?

>>46052851
Good damn

I'm saying we make a list of 10 or 15 and vote or roll on that list

Rolled 4, 25 = 29 (2d100)

>>46052619
>>46052628

>>46052851
>>46052911
Golden Spectres works well for Alpha Legion Imperial Fists.

>>46052930
Star rampagers sounds badass though

>>46052919
Black Dragons

>>46052911
Yea lets get a full list so... 6 more rolls for 15

Rolled 80, 50 = 130 (2d100)

>>46052969

>>46052985
... just no... re roll that one... we got fucking star lords with that and its a no, re-roll

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>>46052985
Star lords

>kek

Rolled 84, 6 = 90 (2d100)

>>46052969

Rolled 96, 29 = 125 (2d100)

>>46052998
re-rolling

>>46053008
Steel Blood
>>46053035
Kek, war fists

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>>46053035
WAR FISTS!

>>46053047
Still need 4 more rolls

Rolled 4, 40 = 44 (2d100)

>>46053065
double numbers get!

Rolled 25, 80 = 105 (2d100)

>>46053065
desu baka senpai

>>46053081
... Black Hawks kek, keep rolling boys

>>46053094
Doom tigers

Rolled 62, 47 = 109 (2d100)

Rolled 70, 37 = 107 (2d100)

>>46053065
You're killing me, Smalls.

Rolled 11, 53 = 64 (2d100)

>>46053065

>>46053140
Obsidian Knights
>>46053176
Silver Guard
>>46053202
And Brothers Nightmare

Full list incoming

>>46053290
FULL list of all 15 name choices(No particular order)

Obsidian Knights
Silver Guard
Brothers Nightmare
Doom Tigers
Black Hawks(kek)
War Fists(duble kek)
Steel blood
Black Dragons
Golden Spectres
Star Rampagers
Legacy of Dorn
Night Griffons
Steel Devourers
Hidden Defenders
Silent Protectors

We are Alpha Legion created(secret even to us) in the guise of Imperiall fists. We are sneaky, Viet cong esque tunnels and trapping conventions. Our symbol is a Chimera or other multi-headed creature(preferably mythological), and we like ranged combat. We are zealous over that we ar Dorn Succesors

Which do we like most boys?

>>46053383
I actually like Golden Spectres as a call-back to the Imperial Fists colors, ignoring that our guys don't much like gold because of the standing-out thing. Maybe give 'em alternate parade colors with gold trim?

Rolled 12 (1d15)

>>46053383
I'll let the die have my vote.

>>46053452
>>46053383
I say Golden Spectres.

It fits both the Fists and the Legion.

Didn't we have Gold and Teal as our colors?

>>46053383
Star Rampagers or Golden spectres for me

>>46053452
>>46053504
>>46053554
I think Star Rampagers or Golden Spectres we gonna need a new more gaudy color scheme regardless

And as I believe we were going with disruptive camo it'll be fine.

So far Golden boys are winning... anyone agaisnt our being the Golden Spectres?

>>46053594
How's this?
https://coolors.co/app/577590-f3ca40-f2a541-f08a4b-d78a76

>>46053660
hmmmm... I like them! Some one more competent than me, quickly! Use bolter and chainsword! SHOW US OUR COLORS!

>>46053690
not it

I'm mobile

>>46053750
I'm gonna try it... will probably be terrible but here goes...

Do we want it a solid base, a quartered pattern or a halved pattern?

>>46053794
Solid probably, quartered if you want to spice things up

>>46053869
I'm gonna try a quartered scheme and see how it loooks

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First try on new color scheme, we may end up keeping the old one though

>>46054796
I like the quartered look and the gold. Not huge on the blue.

>>46054822
We could use the old pale yellow from the Pina colada colors?

>>46054924
I say, try the gold with the green from the Pina colada scheme.

>>46055277
In the quarter color scheme or just keep what we had?

>>46055359
quartered, giving it a shot now

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>>46055371
Basic color scheme

>>46055466
hmmmmm... I don't know I still kinda like the original one... opinions of the thread?

Plus quartered is a bitch to paint

>>46054796
I'll try my hand at this in a moment

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>>46055466
>>46054796
I tried to make them not just Celestial Lions

>>46058619
I like it! Thread? Opinion?

>>46058830
Any thoughts outside of that? I could try doing another

>>46058894
https://coolors.co/app/660000-990033-5f021f-8c001a-ff9000

https://coolors.co/app/363636-242f40-cca43b-e5e5e5-ffffff

I came up with two other color schemes that could work, if you want to try them

>>46059147
I like the one with all the reds

>>46058619
I like it.

>>46059317
Red just kinda screams Blood Angels.
I know there are non-BA with red, but I just can't lose that feeling.

>>46059565
>>46059317
>>46059147
For both I was going to have yellow be the primary color

>>46059565
>>46059666
Well, someone make the schemes, se what they look like. We aint doing anything else right now

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>>46059884
On it chief!

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>>46059884
>>46059565
>>46059317
Here's something

>>46061312
Want me do blue and grey one?

>>46061745
Or any other schemes for that matter

>>46062088
Also, I'm somewhat of a drawfag if you ever decide on what these guys are like

>>46062132
>>46061312
I REALLY like this one personally, and I'm glad we have draawn the attention of a Draw fag! Yea, as soon as we figure shit out It'd be awesome for people to start frawing them

>>46062413
We're sticking with red and yellow then?

>>46062719
I vote yes.

>>46062719
OP also votes yes

>>46062719
I liked not!Celestial Lions, but I'm okay with Iron Man marines

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>>46063316
... Hm, it is kind of iron man isn't it?

I don't know, I like it but now thats... bothering me...

Now that I look at it, I still kinda like the old color and pattern... though I guess it could be improved upon in some way

I also like that its a bit paler... I feel like some other colors could be adeded to it, or the pattern changed up somehow, but
i don't have the skill to do it... anyone wanna try or am I alone in liking the original original colors?

>>46063558
If you tell me the colors I'll try and see what I can't do

>>46063649
In the bars on B&C they are

#F7F788 for the pale yellow
and
#039C96 for the metallic teal bit

>>46063649
The black is just all zeros and the goold on the skull is any gold color. The eys are just any deep red

>>46063787
Aight, I'll give it a shot

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>>46063868
>>46063812
>>46063787
>>46063558
I don't know how I feel about this color scheme compared to the others, but here's what I got

>>46064516
I don't know, I like it... but I suppose its really up to the thread which colors we use

>>46065372
This is me... I forgot to change my name or even go anon

>>46065372
yes, the thread. All you and me

>>46065913
... well fuck, it always slows down at some time. It's not done yet, it seems topick up around the day. But, lets move on from color anyways, for now its toss up between the last two choices.

We need a name for our hoeworld and such. Of course, OP is asleep in about an hour so I'm trying to spark up a new topic for the Golden Spectres

>>46066040
What was their homeworld again? It can be named after their chapter hero

>>46066121
The planet was a feral Iceworld that I posited, like the chapter, had been seeded by the Alpha Legion. We haven't got a name for their hero yet, but naming the planet after him could be interesting

We just need HIS name first

>>46066161
Was it direct rule?

>>46066167
No distant like most Spehss mehreens, we could change it though. It could be interesting for the Marines to somehow directly rule all of the disparate tribes

>>46066242
Alright, feral iceworld. Maybe everyone lives underground in great carved out fortresses compliments of their never-home overlords? Maybe a jungle biome exists in a microcosm underneath like two miles of solid frozen ice?

>>46066281
That could be interesting, gives a reason for the marines Viet cong-esque tactics.

Great underground tunnels and forts, now abandoned or simply not in use are inhabited by the constantly fiighting warlords. Every few decades or centuries, the Silent gods return, and begin a sort of culling. Going on a stealthy murder escapade both to train new troops ad take new possible aspirants.

The jungle is full of their old traps and weapons, left so that the disparate warlords have something substantial to fight over, and keeping the balance of power in flux

>>46066347
what a fucking awful place to live, a dark jungle where you're constantly on the look out for traps

I love it

>>46066427
Its perfect! The people in fear of the vicious beasts, heavilt armed warlords, and most of all the silent killers in great armor, who steal their babies after murdering everyone so they are ALL orphans, orphaned BY the chapter

>>46066490
Do they live on the moon/asteroid/whatever primarily, or are they always off crusading and only pop back when they need a fill-up on marines?

>>46066529
Well if everyone lives underground in the old fortifications used for training by the Marines, I imagine their fortress monastery is on the bleak and unforgiving surface, which is essentially a huge featureless glacier wasteland

and the only way up or down are ANCIENT mine shafts and caves, one of which the monastery is built on bith for ease of descent, and a way to to escape under the surface and wage harsh gurreilla warfare should they need to

>>46066584
God damnit, I hate forgetting to switch naems

>>46066584
>>46066621
Good point. Can it be a hugh-ass fortress that has a shit ton carved out of the ice-sheets?

Also, ice-strider tribe that manages on the surface?

>>46066641
Absolutely, its like a big ass fort INSIDE a big ass fort, its like the a scaled down iron cage manned by ACTUAL defenders

As for an Ice strider tribe? Perhaps... but how do they live? What creatures live on the surface? could there possibly even be chimera's on the surface? Some other terrible beasts?

they have to eat something

>>46066775
They're not really important, what's important are the marines. I'm still partial to camo or ghillie suits over their shit

>>46066937
We can talk about that shit when we agree on what colors we're going with. Lets focus on other stuff right now

>>46066937
A good point, the marines are the focus.

>>46067039
is right, camo and such can be discussed once we know FOR SURE our colors

I say, we further discuss why the chapter is endangered. It was suggested the reason is because a siginificant number triggered somehow and turned on their allies. Lets expand on this, what was the campaign? Were only the Imperial fists there or were other Fist succesors involved? What were THEIR casualties?

How many marines do WE have left? One companies worth? Two or three?

Begin discussing this! Unfortunaetly, OP must now sleep so keep the thread alive and keep discussing! Ok, OP is now sleep, will be back in about 7 hours

>>46067100
There's probably not a lot of eligible recruits to pick from on our homeworld either. Seeing as how these guys seem to work best by themselves, I can see their triggered state could be officially written off as mental strain from carefully stalking and entrapping enemies for months probably all by oneself. Or some other reason, I dunno

Bump

>>46067176
Brings up a good point about how they handle the sudden betrayals. How would they respond to their brothers turning against them?

bump!

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>>46064516
I like the colors, but since we are the GOLDEN Spectres, I thought it needed a bit more of that.

>>46070446
Very true.

>>46070446
i like it

>>46070446
I'm back, and yes this is very nice, looks like we may be going with this color scheme then, the more gold is welcome(as much as Ilike pina colada color) these fir better

>>46068739
How did they respond? I imagine they were a bit surprised at first to react, but probably purged most if not all of them to restore their honour on that field

>>46070446
I'm still not feeling it, but it's not my choice

>>46072248
Well, I still prefer this >>46064516 myself, but really it should be up to a vote.


I guess we can throw the irn man scheme for the vote as well

Everyone, choose your favorite color scheme out of
>>46064516
>>46070446
>>46061312

>>46070446
I like this one

>>46070446
One vote for this one

Shall we create a 1d4chan page for these guys?

>>46072701
Sure, why not

>>46072701
YEa, a 1d4chan page will be nice

We do need to keep working and it looks like >>46070446 are our collors

Ok, MOVING on. It has been suggested we use disruptive camouflage, I like this idea, thoughts? Additions? Suggestions?

>>46073489
The use of camouflage is pretty cool, not a whole lot of chapters do that.
It should only be done for stealth operations though, during straight up war, they wear their colors with pride.

>>46073866
Agreed

>>46073896
>>46073866
Obviously! They use their camo patterns on battlefields where they are alone or when stealth is needed

But otherwise proudly display their colors

>>46073959
We going with disruptive though? That makes them hard to look at but not really to blend in

>>46074011
Well remember they also use Viet-cong hiding tactics. Think about it, out from the ground in a hidden bunker a Space marine pops oout, his colors making it difficult to fire, and he cuts you down. And maybe they use disruptive and regular, maybe its even up to marine choice. Which could make for some interesting models in an army

Isn't Disruptive camo better on vehicles though?
Marines use regular camo, landraiders and rhinos use disruptive camo.

>>46074132
That works for me

>>46074132
Power armor might as well be a vehicle

>>46074523
Terminator armor, maybe. It has been stated that with enough training a marine can be really sneaky.
I remember that in Vengeful Spirit a Raven Guard is described as making almost no sound while moving, which Garviel Loken considers impressive, but not impossible.

>>46074620
Most definitely Termies use Disruptive camo like vehicles. Regular marines are probably WAY more sneaky, maybe not Raven Guard level but the stealth is different. Raven guard are offensive stealth and the Spectres use defensive stealth

>>46074756
So anything larger than a terminator gets disruptive camo? I'm okay with it

Someone lay down a 3d50

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Rolled 11, 42, 37 = 90 (3d50)

>>46075134
coming up boss

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>>46075149
We got power hammer, heavy bolter, and combat shotgun, if that works

>>46075234
What were we rolling for exactly??

>>46075353
Weapons, my man. Main arsenal

>>46075383
Replace the hammer with our special power fists, other wise its fine... shotgun is a bit weird if we are not big on boarding actions

Actually yea, re-roll that shotgun

So 1d50

Rolled 3 (1d50)

>>46075483
Gotcha senpai

>>46075515
Ok... what is that? Where is this table???

>>46075550
We got a hellgun

>>46075573
... thats a guard weapon... dafuq? How we use that???

>>46075637
Probably another reroll. OR, we could just choose. We have heavy bolter and special power fist. What would go well with it?

>>46075668
UUUhhhhh... one more re-roll, and if it still don't work we can choose

>>46075850
Then roll away

Rolled 42 (1d50)

>>46075866

>>46075903
We already rolled that, so I'll go one up and say heavy flamer

>>46075962
Cool, yea I'm up foor heavy flamers

>>46075977
Alright, sounds like we have the staple weaponry

Ok, now! With camo and colors and such done, lets move on.

Lets flesh out our figure of legend! An Alpha Legionnaire in the guise of the Imperial Fists third company captain and one of our founding memers.

What was his name? What sort of Daemon prince did he banish?

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>>46078018
>founding memers

>>46078059
God damnit

one of the founding MEMBERS

>>46078059
A heroic SPESS MEHREEN, who.with his BATTLE BROTHERS made the ENEMY KNOW DEATH AND DESTRUCTION using a tactic THE CODEX ASTARTES calls STEEL REHN

>>46078018
Didn't we have to roll for a hero of the chapter?

>>46079444
Try reading next time.

My vote is for a malal aligned daemon, so as to stay in good graces with their secret benefactors

What's this and what does it have to do with my favorite "traitor" legion?

Can I get a summary, three paragraphs or less?

>>46080509
That certainly works for me, So a malal aligned Daemon prince... isn't their a table for making Daemon princes? We could roll him if we wish

>>46080749
Sure, let me try, one sec

Remember to support your fellow homebrew projects

>>46041252

>>46078463

>>46071473

>>46078365

>>46080812
Man, I don't remember so many 40k table threads before Hua Yuan showed up. Last one I can think of was the Conservators and the Cardinal Knights if those guys count

>>46080749
The Golden Spectres are a Space marine Chapter founded in the 34th millenium. If you asked the Administratum, they'd say their progenitor is unkown, if you asked the Spectres its the Imperial fists, and if you asled the fists they'd deny it. Truth told, all these are wrong, for their progenitors are for more sinister. The Gene seed of the chapter is actually from the stock of the secretive alpha Legion, for unknown reasons during a founding in the 34th millenium, the Alpha Legion iintercepted an order to the ultramarines, and instead reported as Imperial fists.

A full company was given to start this chapter, and from the start they Masqueraded as the Imperial fists third company. Upon being given a world and fortress monastery they began recruiting. Through intense hypno therapy, indoctrination and thought manipulation, the Chapter believes to this day they are sons of Dorn, regardless of what they are told.

Using a combination of the Fists stubbornness and Alpha Legion tactics, they are vicious and deadly defensive combatants. Their icy homeworld hides a dense jungle beneath its surface which they use to train and practice. Recently, they have become an endangered chapter, when fully half their number seemed to snap during a campaign and opened fire on their allys. They survived this ordeal, but it has caused many of the marines to look inwards, fearing some flaw may exist within their chapter... or worse.

That work for a short summary?

>>46080751
There is, but I'm not sure where it's at

>>46080873
I've got no issues with it

>>46080937
But how does the hypnosis work on new marines? Maybe that's why they are endangered, they just don't get new recruits

>>46082178
I'm certain the methods of hypnosis have been used since its inception by the Chaplains or some such recruiting staff, how could they not get new recruits?

>>46082505
Alright, that makes sense.

Do the chaplains know what they're doing to them, or do they simply do it out of tradition without knowing what their rites REALLY do?

>>46082550
Since we aren't sould drinkers, no they have no clue. They are as indoctrinated as anyone else, possibly even more so as they have to learn the rites. Chaplains may actually have some REALLY heavy re-programming in the form of unique and far more extreme indoctrination techniques.

Deep down thy may know whats going on, even why the Alpha Legion started all this, but its behind so many mental walls, triggers, hypnotic denial and safeguards THEY don't even know it.

I'd say Chaplains have such extreme levels of indoctrination that they were one of the few marine types who ALL remained loyal to the chapter and were not triggered in the campaign that endangered our chapter

Well with most of that fluff out of the way all thats really left to do is flesh out the chapter itself.

any ideas for special characters? the chapter master? Captains? Other special characters?

ok, we got good work done today! Lets keep it going into tomorrow! OP must sleep now, don;t let the thread die

>>46085721
Alrighty tightly! Edging closer to that bump limit

>>46084574
Before we do that, I think there are two things we should come up with first:

1. Naming. What kinds of names do our Marines have? I've seen it be suggested that we go for Vietnamese, not sure what I think of that myself.

2. Chapter badge. We need a symbol for our marines to rally behind. Iconography is very important.

>>46089839
OP wanted a multi headed animal for our emblem

>>46089839
Welll we got totem animal and I've been heavy handed in saying chimera, but thats mutable

It needs multiple heads, it just does. Mainly its a calling card of sorts for the A L:egion thats obscure enough to not be connected

Any suggestions? What creature goes with Golden Spectres..

>>46090301
Three headed Raven? They're usually associated with ghosts and shit

>>46090301
>>46090324
It could be an actualy ghost. With multiple heads.
Ravens are copyrighted by the Raven Guard, you know.

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>>46090621
Something like this shit?

Also, looking ghost heraldry turned up with the Alpha legion shit, so I guess it's a good idea

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>>46090822
That's pretty cool.

Another possibility is something inspired by Minecraft's Wither.
Some art of the thing is proper terrifying. Pic related.

>>46090822
2spooky4me

>>46090847
Could be a skeleton animal with three heads to try and keep it Alpha legiony

>>46090869
I like the idea of a three headed, skeletal tiger, or other big cat.

>>46091014
I guess it's multi headed ghost or skeleton

>>46090822
I'd say change the arms for ghostie heads and we're golden

About to get on a plane so I may not be able to make the new thread when it comes to it


A multi headed ghost or ghoul of some sort could easily work! I like it personally

It even let's some of their iconography involve a skeletal dorm which is cool

>>46093118
I'll try to throw up a new thread, if possible

>>46093157
Can you archive it?

>>46093293
Yeah, no problemo me amigo

>>46093157
>>46093347
Double thanks anon! I'm glad this chapter has remained so active! As soon as I can I'll drop in to the new thread if/when you put it up

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>>46092834
>golden
I see what you did there

The coolest part about these guys I think is the defensive stealth, I think we should flesh this out more. What tactics do they use?

>>46094605
>Google Che's handbook to geurilla warfare
>copy and paste

>>46096153
Such as?

>>46096153
Hold up, here's an idea for the chapter badge:

Three headed, skeletal gorilla

Wait, what about a three headed eagle?

Three heads for Alpha Legion, and Eagle for the Imperium?

>>46097585
I agree

>>46097585
That might actually be a good idea.
I still think it should be a skeleton, to go with the Spectre part of our name.

>>46098864
Maybe a ghost eagle? Not entirely sure how you'd do that, maybe have it be white and/or with a more swirly tail.

We need drawfags basically.

Link to actually archived first thread:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/46007045/

I can only archive one thread per hour though, so the second one will have to wait a bit.
Has someone made a wiki page yet?

Link 2:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/46009522/

Has anyone given thought to psychic powers? What totally-not-heretical warp gifts would the librarians have?

>>46103981
Being able to have incredible focus and sense near by warp presences? I dunno, senpai

I was bored.

Assault Sergeant Al-Rahan-- Acting Captain of the 8th Company. Severe losses to the assault companies as of late have forced Al-Rahan into a leadership position far above his nominal rank. So far he has not been found wanting, though his tactics are uncompromisingly brutal by the Chapter's standards. In addition to a hand flamer he is the current wielder of Dorn's Resolve, a highly-modified power fist of uncertain origin.

Dorn's Resolve-- essentially a rocket-assisted power fist. Hits at normal initiative on the charge. Pays homage to the many-faceted Dorn, in this case his aspect as decisive, pitiless engine of destruction.

Eh. Feel free to play around with this.

>>46098917
That's what I had in mind

>>46100686
>>46099432
I'm trying to make the page, but it's not letting me pass the captcha. I'll keep trying though

Dorn's Contempt-- ideal for close-combat against hordes. Power fist includes a single-use S6, AP6 Template flak cannon that ignores cover. Maybe ideal for Terminators.

>>46104410
>uncompromisingly brutal
I think these guys would have to be brutal, given their battle strategy. Otherwise, good shit. I'd like to see something stealthy

OP post of the day

Someone making that new thread yet?

I like the assault company captain

Thx fer dem archives

>>46107069
310 for bump limit guy

>>46107142
I know but we getting close, 15 posts away

>>46107195
I'll wait for this one to fully or just mostly die before the next one goes up. I'd like to get a solid of what these guys look like so i can take it to the drawthreads

>>46107195
Have fun flying btw

>>46070446
Not too bad

>>46058619
If you guys don't use this, I'm stealing it for myself

What should I use as the OP pic, guys?

>>46109126
Something Alpha Legion-y

>>46111957
I'll just use this OP pic

>>46113726
Okay

>>46105448
These guys use centurions often?

>>46116622

Not my decision alone but I don't see it happening. I built that fistcannon as a lolno contingency plan, for anyone who doesn't typically have options against hordes.

I can keep coming up with special weapons if ya'll want, or I can flesh out Al-Rahan some more.