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>>45802497
Alright, I made the symmetrical shoulders now, as requested.

Added Mk.8 collar because I like it.

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>>45803041
Wait, wrong picture.

THIS is the original color scheme!

>>45802995
Lookin' good OOP!

Could you drop the collar and add the mk7 abdomen pipes?

And could you post and officer with purple tabard and Arm, with silver trim?

>>45802497
How Warboyish are we talking about? Is it right down to being a savage chapter that literally makes it's own gear from scrap or just warfare wise?
Or is it fully Macedonian?

>>45803588
The Warboyism lies in the Sanguinary rituals and Chapter cult.

The Neophytes, of which there can be hundreds, even thousands, cover themselves in ash and blood and act as auxiliary infantry. These neophytes act recklessly and with extreme zeal, eager to prove themselves as becoming Peltast and being formally inducted into the chapter. Death is viewed as something to be performed in a blaze of glory, and if a Marine witnesses a glorious death of a Neophyte they are inducted into the chapter posthumously and their skull is taken and silvered.

The Sanguine Shields believe that their Primarch and Emperor will return and reform the Legions of Old. Those slain in Battle will likewise rise from the dead, clad in silver and adamant, and March with the Legion.

>>45803588
Visually their equipment is always always battered and worn down, but serviceable, due to their near constant crusade and the remoteness of their homeworld.

>>45804127
Sounds like some really interesting and cool stuff. I like how you guys have incorporated this Warboy stuff.
One last question though, where exactly does the Shields in the name come from?

>>45804301
Uhh...

The Infantry has Shields? Sorry I don't have a good answer for that one. They are a little more like the Lamentors than the Flesh Tearers in how they treat non-Astartes, so that might have something to do with it.

>>45802497
That's a gorgeous color scheme.

>>45804464
Right?

What do you think of this?
>>45802995
I think the collar should be red or gone altogether, but the trim is made to be symmetrical.

Thoughts?

>>45804560
I say drop the collar.
The presentation in the OP pic is perfect, if you ask me.

>>45802995
>>45804428
In that case, shouldn't they be called something along the lines of how they fight? Since the Chapter is based off the Warboys way of fighting, then perhaps they could include something like that, perhaps "lancers"? Only a suggestion, I'm sure someone can come up with something better.

>>45804611
So asymmetric trim?

If it changes your answer at all the Marine pictured is an officer (Codex Divergent) and thus has a purple Pauldron and arm, just as >>45802995 has a bone/tan Pauldron and arm.

>>45804664
Yeah, asymmetric trim seems nice here.
My word isn't law, though. I just popped in here after seeing the OP pic.
This is a nice sounding chapter. Much more interesting than the Cardinal Knights.

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>>45803435
Here's a version without the collar. I forgot to add the Mk. 7 armor, sorry I was gone, had to take my puppy to the vet for her checkup! I'm back though, and I'll get to doing the Officer. Question, how do you want the silver trim?

>>45804716
Question 2) Anyone know a hex code for a good silver color? The one's I've tried didn't look too good to me.

>>45802497
>Warcry: WITNESS ME.
Kill yourself.

>>45804760
Also, can someone update the wiki page with the stuff from the last thread? Just add all the fluff we agreed on and at least the OP pic. Would be nice.

Almost finished with the new Officer scheme, hope you guys like it.

>>45804661
The Macedonian thing begins to creep in with their tactics and mixed warfare. Mechanized phalanxes (their most effective stratagem) made of rhino variants and land raiders with assault bikes flanking arms, supporting long range fire, and rapidly deployed formations of infantry. Pretty in your face warfare, but that's how the Macedonians rolled. The Neophytes basically are just hangers on and contrast sharply with the disciplined ranks of the Marines. Sanguine Shields just rolls off the tongue though, you know?

>>45804708
Indeed. I recommend reading the previous thread. The relationship with the Oficio Assasinorum is really interesting.

>>45804716
Yo, OOP. I just wanted to see how symmetrical trim would look.

Things that need changing.

>Bring pack asymmetrical trim, it looks cool and keeps the scheme interesting and unique.
>Let's just see what the power pack would look like if you made the red top tan

That's it. Then I think we'll be done

For the silver trim just replace the red trim around the purple Pauldron with silver.

Bam, done. Let's see how that looks. Don't forget to include the purple tabard, but leave the cape out.

>>45804782
It's a joke, faggot. These guys are more Macedonian Legion than meme bucket Australians anyway.

>>45804837
Got it, I liked the old Asymmetrical trim too. Looked easy on the eyes.

>>45804855
Is it bad that the only things I know about Mad Max, is that it's some sort of Post-Apocalyptic Australia with lots of cars?

>>45804922
That's really all there is to it. Really good action movies.

One of the themes is how okay some people will be with the world going to shit and the depths of depravity and violence they'll sink to because noone is there to stop them.

Mad Max is basically the antithesis of that, a man who does the right thing not because it's easy, or even because he wants to, but because he knows he's the only one that will.

>>45804922
Yo, OOP. Make the collar red, and add the mk. 7 pipes and the Roman numerals to his knee.

I think we'll be aces then.

>>45805013
Sounds pretty cool.

Currently making multiple versions of the Officer color scheme. They'll have the same basic stuff on them, just experimenting with a silver color that I found, and like.

>>45804837
I see now, very cool sounding as well. I would love to see battle plans that depict these tactics.
Still iffy about the name, but really its a minor thing in the end. Hope this chapter can get fully fleshed out.

>>45805121
Same. They're basically bargin bin Black Templars combined with Minotaurs.

But with fewer numbers, little in the way of toys, and aren't dicks.

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>>45805069
I've made a couple color schemes already, haven't added anything onto them, I'll do that once we agree on a finalized Officer scheme.

>>45805121
The name came about in the very first thread, when we were beginning to fluff them. I came up with it to represent both their Combat Doctrine of Armored Assault (Armor=Shields) and their Progenitor Chapter being the Blood Angels. After much arguing, name changing, and other stuff, Blood Shields stuck.

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>>45805172
Made the backpack crown the same color as the rest of it in the rest of these.

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>>45805172
>>45805201

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>>45805172
>>45805201
>>45805217

>>45805217
>>45805201
>>45805172
Make the collar red instead of tan.

Personally I prefer the one that looks like he has a bracelet. No idea why. Do you have one with just the silver trim?

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>>45805172
>>45805201
>>45805217
>>45805235

>>45805252
Was just about to post that one, and one more. Too late to change the color right now. We should agree on a scheme, stick with it, and then I'll change the color and add gear onto him.

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>>45805172
>>45805201
>>45805217
>>45805235
>>45805296
This is the last one I made, which one do you guys like the most?

>>45805296
Make the collar red, and I think the one with the plain purple arm is best. Simplicity is key.

>>45805332
I think I'll wait a bit before doing anything, want some more input and see which one everyone likes best.

Also, here's the earlier thread for anyone who wants to read it.
>>45766920

>>45805385
Dude. Look at the OP pick, which is universally adored.

Now look at the collar of the marine.

Now look at OP marine.

It needs to be red.

>>45805419
Not auing you're wrong, and I will change it. Just wanted to wait and see which officer color scheme everyone liked before doing so, so I would get the least amount of complaints. I had finished all of those before I remembered that I should've changed the neck to red.

>>45805201
>>45805296
>>45805331
These three are my favorite ones, to be honest. I'll edit them with the red collar now, and then we can see which one should be official.

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>>45805575
Alright, made red neck color edits to four of them. Finally remembered to change the neck to red!

Now I hope the Anons won't kill me for my forgetfullness!

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>>45805686
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>>45805740
I like this one the best desu.

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>>45805686
>>45805740
>>45805772

>>45805740
Let's see this one with red trim...just to be triple sure

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>>45805845
Here you go.

>>45805866
Hot damn that looks good too.

>>45804127
Do the Marines perform a "Witness Me!" moment as well? Like in one of those moments where a marine knows he's about to die so he suicides himself in one last blaze of glory.

>>45806073
I'd say that maybe they go into a Black Rage if they know that they are to die, and try to go down taking as many foes down as possible, shouting out their warcry as they die in the Emperor's name.

>>45806073
Actually yes. The Shields always act in a way that is tactically advantageous. However should ones fate be assured they go out in a blaze of glory in an attempt to take as many enemies with them as possible.

The greater ones death the greater their legend, however this requires testimonials by the battle brothers that survive them so the Marines deeds can be etched onto their silvered skulls and granted to a battle brother close to the deceased as a charm. Often Hypastistai (Tactical Marines) will draft wills and submit them to the Chaplians so that their Charms and Totem can be dispersed amongst the brothers in their Tagma (company equivalent).

>>45806248
Remember OOP, Tindanotai get snatched up ASAP and shoved into the death company, where they slowly getting made into Astartes Eversors.

>>45804127
This is a pretty sweet post, how'd I miss this?

>>45806261
I like this post.

Going to add stuff to this one.
>>45805866


>>45806324
I know, I was more along the lines of one or a few marines flying into a Black Rage when they know for absolitely sure that they would die, and the survivors get then commended post-humously, like how >>45806261 said. I quite like this post, by the way.

>>45806248
>>45806261
Hell, using the Black Rage for this is a great Idea. Perhaps it usually hits them once their about to die, but either way this is a great idea along with how they venerate them after death.
Also, if the skull of the battle brother is destroyed then what do they use instead? Do they just create a silver metal skull?

>>45806407
It's all the same anon OOP.

>>45806424
Yep, out of the ceramite of his ruined power armour preferably.

>>45806447
The lack of Anons is saddening. We had like 38 anons on the last thread. :(

Finishing up the edited Officer.

>>45806473
Badass, you guys are making something great here.
10/10 Would ride shiny and chrome through the gates of Valhalla straight to the Emperors side.

>>45806489
Yeah, the Exterminators thread is just as saddening as well. It's whatever, I'm having fun.

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>>45806489
Alright, finished the edited officer.

I like it.

>>45806686
Me too, I hope it's just having a slow start. I love what we've done with these guys, and I hope more people join/rejoin both threads. Would be cool to really have these guys fluffed out, the Hua Yuan exterminators are awesome, and apparently there's an anon making stats for them? That's just awesome, and I hope something like that could be done for these guys.

>>45806696
Sexy. I'd drop the gothic numbers and make the chainsword silver.

Melee weapons should be silver with red handles

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>>45806839
Done. Made the Roman numeral a two simply because it looks better to me.

I wonder what's with the micromanaging of certain parts colours. It's not like all grips/handles or facemasks in a chapter are identical.
The real important parts are the main armor plates I would say.

>>45806941
It's fun? I don't fucking know. It's just nice to have a set colour scheme

>>45806930
Should their weapons be silver point blank?

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>>45806930
Remembered to add the Mk.7 armor finally, and changed the Roman Numeral back to a 1.

>>45807005
Maybe use the grime module to make them look beat up?

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>>45807027
Done. It's a bit hard for me to tell the diferences between the three levels of the dirt modules, so I just used level 3.

>>45806984
Just keep some room for variation is all I'm saying. Unless you guys want to make it part of the fluff that they strictly follow a set dress code, that is.

>>45807133
Variation is fine with me. We could have a different color scheme for the Tindanotai.

I'll get to work making one, if everyone's fine with this.

>>45807057
Eh I guess it doesn't really matter

did you see this? >>45806984 might be cool?

>>45807133
Considering the Legendary Macedonian discipline I would say that they do, perhaps even some Pride in the Colours as well

>>45807179
Death Companies are Black with Red Crosses. Considering how buddy buddy they are with the Blood Angels they would be compliant.

The only thing they might do is make the helmet silver.

>>45807316
I'll get to work on it, try and make something nice.

>>45807347
Dude, the job is done for you.

Why not fluff?

>>45807197
I'm not that versed in ancient macedonian warfare, but unless they were all geared by a single supplier they'd have had some differing gear too, no?

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>>45807362
Meh, I have fun with the painter. Helps relax me.

>>45807422
GLORIOUS!

>>45807422
fuuug

>>45807405
>Supplier
Uhh...how versed in 40k are you?

>>45807429
I feel u. Make a terminator and post the final paint scheme for Hypastistai and for Officers

>>45807436
I think he meant the Macedonians.

>>45807463
Ah.

Actually Philip the II did a lot of work to standardize the army and actually made being a soldier a profession. Things were very rank and file

>>45807422
WITNESS!!!
Great stuff anon.

>>45807436
I'm not sure what you mean by that.

So all the Tagma are listed as mounted or mechanized

This is retarded. How do we fix it?

So it's been a long time since a /tg/ chapter has caught my eye, but this one seems like a pretty interesting take on the Blood Angel's lineage. However the wiki and the OP seems to be pretty lacking. You're missing the founding Millennium for instance. I haven't gotten a chance to read through all of the past threads yet, but I plan to.

>>45807729
To be fair, in a normal chapter, all of the battle companies are technically in Rhinos. However having all companies mounted, in the same distribution is an issue.

>>45807818
Here's the old thread where we got into the meat of the fluff.
>>45766920

My gripe with everything being bikes is that it essentially ignore the mixed unit tactics that made the Macedonians successful in the first place and redefined warfare.

But yes, we're severely lacking in important details.

>>45807818
Great to have you. Coincedentally, my name is Jared as well.

>>45807729
>>45808023
Yeah, this is a problem.
Perhaps we could have a few infantry focused tagma, using their shields, bolt pistols, and Sarissa, to form phalanx formations?

Also, almost finished with a tindanotai color scheme. Hope you guys like it.

>>45808023
So right off the bat, my question is, do you want this chapter to be Macedonian inspired, or do you want it to literally be Macedonian? Because one of the biggest issues I've seen with other /tg/ chapters is rather than sprinkling source material around as inspiration, it gets forced into the chapter whole cloth.

For example, the alternate names for ranks and and companies, very cool and unique, but still in fitting with 40k.

>>45808192
Inspired. Good god inspired. Last thread this was becoming a problem as uniqueness was being challenged for macedonian authenticity. If you want to catch up just ctrl+f Hegemon. Those posts and those surrounding them are the important stuff.

Personally I want to strike a neat balance between manipulated political tool, loyal Bangel successors, battle worn zealots and tactically clever conquerors.

>>45808192
It should always just be inspiration. Sure, they have elements from a few sources, every 40k thing does, but these guys should ultimately be their own beast

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>>45808192
I say Macedonian inspired, not Macedonia 100%.
There were some problems in the last thread about that as well.

It's cool that you're here bro.

Also, I've decided to make a couple Tindanotai color schemes. Have the first one done. It's a somewhat inverted version of the chapter's Hypastisai color scheme.

>>45807818
Basically the Officio Assassinorum owns these guys, and subtly guides them on a crusade.
They have warboy neophytes that prove that they have the balls to become a marine. Their equipment is kinda beat up. They like armoured assaults.

These threads being archived?

>>45808404
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Company
Read up

>>45808424
Shit...no

>>45808404
>>45808362
>>45808335
Yeah, it became readily apparent from the last thread.

So just throwing a few ideas out based on what little I've read, correct me if anything's been decided already.

So M37 founding I believe? That puts them at the 22nd founding, just in time to take part in the Great Cull and fits perfectly with their reason for being founded. Now nothing is known about the Great Cull, but perhaps it was a culling, both internal and external, and the chapter was involved in both fronts. Externally, they destroyed that chaos xenos species that was mentioned, but internally is how their connection to the Assassinorum could've formed.

As for the hegemon and polemarch idea, while I love the concept of it, I can't help thinking, "Why this chapter?" Why are they the ones with the successor representatives? Why not the Blood Angels? And if they're all from other chapters, does that mean marines from within the chapter never attain rank? Because I saw the "rank structure" listed on the wiki and that really doesn't work with space marines.

>>45808451
I know, I just thought it would be cool to have a unique color scheme for them is all.

Besides, the wiki states that the Angels Encarmine don't use the standard black/red color scheme either.

Plz no hurt me, anon.

>>45808712
The Angels Encarmine are faggots. Who the fuck makes Sanguinary Guard white?

I think for simplicities sake they should be standard black and red.

If you want to get fancy we can do Silver helmets.

>>45808706
So the thought behind the whole leadership from other chapters is that it kind reinforces the idea that these guys are a new/newish chapter, and the Officio let the Hegemon pick and choose his leadership. I'm willing to work out the kinks, I just want to see if we can Get the command structure worked out.

As for the enlisted thing, that just had me shaking my head. As an enlisted man myself I can only image Astartes sitting back and bitching about reg changes and counting the days off deployments/their contract before they can go back to Hive Primes and get drunk, or retire in Hua Yuan and waste their retirement on drugs and hookers.

That needs to go.

>>45808706
M37 founding is correct, and your post is quite nice, I must say. The Great Cull idea is awesome.

The problem with the wiki page is that no one has been updating it. I thought that there was an anon who volunteered to keep track and update some time ago, but perhaps I'm just misremembering, and that is a problem. I've never actually touched the wiki, other than looking at the pages/articles.

>>45808893
I agree with this anon.

I kind of thought their color scheme for their Sanguinary guard was cool though. But for a Sanguinary guard, it did seem odd.

Great post by the way.

>>45808712
>>45808893
Eh, I got no problem with changing up how the death company looks. I might just add to the uniqueness of it.

>>45809042
Yeah but we become too unique and BAM suddenly we have snow flakes. I've been fighting like hell to keep the guys cool but not copy past Macedonians and not flat out Sues.

The Sanguinary Guard has to remain the same, but the Death Company can have a silver armour part. Shiney and Chrome and all that

>>45809042
>"It" might just add to the uniqueness of it.
Sorry about that.
>>45809113
>but the Death Company can have a silver armor part. Shiny and Chrome and all that.
Well I'm sure as hell down for that. Considering the Warboy's spray painted their mouths then shouldn't the silver part be the face-plate?

>>45809151
The Grills of the Sanguine Shields are silver in general, as is their weaponry. Vehicles shoudl be red and silver

The Death Company should have silver helmets, in my opinion. But we can fuck around with colours later, we need to fluff these fuckers

>>45809289
>>45809151
Shoot, you're right, the grills on the face plates should've been silver. I forgot about that.

But yeah, they need to be fluffed up.

Perhaps they have silver helmets that may or may not be skull themed/decorated? Would go with how we use silver skulls to commemorate the fallen.

It could symbolize them going out in glory for the Emperor, and their Brothers?

>>45809374
Yeah, but I meant the chapter in general

>>45809406
Oh, I thought you meant the Tindanotai. But yeah, the chapter still needs much in the way of fluff.

>>45809289
>we need to fluff these fuckers
What do we have for the Homeworld? That's usually what ties in all the reasons why a Chapter is what it is despite a general idea. I think I saw that it's a post-apocalyptic wasteland with city-states centered around oasis?
>>45809374
That sounds good, it allows it to be it's own thing for the chapter.

>>45809458
I like to think the return to the Planet rarely, constantly on the move, plowing through systems and taking/retaking planets

>>45808893
The thing is, they're actually not that newish. They've got 4,000 years of history to work with.

Now I've got a fairly wild idea based on the Hegemon and co. It may be pushing the chapter too far into special snowflake, but I like it as one of the chapter's big secrets.

The chapter is fake. A facade. The upper levels aren't made up of Sanguine Shields because they have NEVER been made up of Sanguine Shields! Instead, it exists to fulfill an ancient covenant between the Officio Assassinorum and the entire Sanguinary lineage that dates to just after the Horus Heresy. Furthermore, they are the second chapter to be created to fulfill this role. The previous was destroyed long before, and the Great Cull was felt as the appropriate time to reinstate that covenant. I'm still working on the details and this would certainly be something that would be kept away from anyone outside of the highest levels of command, but the idea is the whole Blood Angels-lineage is in on this.

>>45809641
This certainly is bordering on Snow flake.

fortunately I just remembered that due to Bangel suery Astartes can live up to a millenia, so the Hegemon and the loaned marines can certainly be the originals and very little has to be changed.

>>45809641
Tbh, that does feel a bit snowflake-ish, but I'd like to see what you've written up anyways, because it sounds interesting. I'd like to know what exactly you've come up with and how cool it is, because I am interested in it.


Something I wanted to say in the last thread regarding an Anon's description of their "Friendship" (Read: Ownership) with the Oficio Assasinorum, is that the Chapter Master (Can't remember the name we came up with, Polemarch, right?) is the only one who really knows what's going on, and hates it, but refuses to tell anyone, either because he does not want to, or legitimately can't.

>>45809790
Oh I didn't mean that they were the original. I only meant that the chapter is, in a highly clandestine and wholly technical sense, under the control of the other blood angel chapters.

>>45809831
The thought is that they are in a highly clandistine and wholly literal sense, under the control of the Officio. Always subtle, never obvious, and only the Hegemon is aware.

However the Chaplains (or should it be the apothecaries) are also aware and are constantly scouting the ranks for signs of them becoming aware that their crusade is a ruse cruise. Those that do, or Mystikos that aren't too hush hush about playing Assassin or declared corrupt, mind fucked with chems, and sent to the death company to be turned into Astartes Eversors.

>>45809908
See, this is something that I like a lot. Adds a darker tone to them, "A silencing those that know too much", sort of thing sounds awesome.

One of the fluff facts that we made up is that they were owned/controlled by the Oficio Assasinorum, and used to hunt down "Pirates, Heretics, and other Unsavory Sorts." in the name of Justice, while more often than not, they're usually semi-innocent people that the Oficio wants out of the way. Permanently. And what better way to do that, then send Space Marines after them?

This is a piece of the fluff that we need to stick to.

>>45809908
>>45810010
While I agree with this, I still come back to why the other chapter's marines are present. Why would the other chapters agree to allow them to leave unless the other chapters understood the Sanguine Shield's position?

>>45810010
Most of the time it works out like this.
>Officio: Hey, Astartes shit-stick, take this planet. Say a chaos cult popped up on it.
>Hegemon doesn't ask why, doesn't ask how, doesn't ask who, he already knows how to work this. He'll try and take it bloodlessly, but his crusade will fall upon the planet one way or the other

Sometimes it doesn't even make sense, and it might have nothing to do with what the Officio is doing at this very moment. The Officio could just be riding on ripples of the butterfly effect, or using the Chapter and their crusade as a distraction if not using them to eliminate a target or neutralize a world completely.

A year later there's another planet named after Hegemon Aleksander the Magnificent and another hundred neophytes eager to prove their worth.

>>45810080
I just thought the council specifically built by the Officio and the Hegemon to get a crusade worthy chapter up and running as quickly as possible made sense.

>>45810080
Heck if I know. I don't remember that bit of fluff desu, or if it was agreed on.

>>45810080
I highly recommend reading the past two threads. control f for "Officio", "Oficio" (I can't spell), "Minotaurs", and "tool"

that should get you caught up

>>45810189
What the? How'd that
>desu
Crap get in that post?

>>45810179
Sweet post, Anon.

>>45810189
Control f Hegemon for the last thread

It was only opposed by the guy that wanted these guys to be Macedonians copy and pasted

>>45810212
It's okay OOP, you can stop acknowledging my posts

>>45810214
Nevermind, I sort of remember now.

>>45810231
No.

>>45810214
>>45810205
I did. That's where I found this post: >>45792777
which I thought was what was being used. It certainly had Hegemon in it a lot.

>>45810282
So do approve a council of Polemarchs and Hegemon? The idea needs work, obviously, but I think it's neat

>>45810299
Honestly, I'm a bit iffy on it. I say that the Chapter Master (Wait, the name is Hegemon? I thought we agreed on Polemarch?) has a council, but said members are from the Sanguine Shields. It sounds better to me this way, imo.

Also, >>45810231 you are now in charge of the wiki page. Get to work, Brother!

>>45810374
I mean that's fine, every chapter master has a council. That's common . My idea hinged on the strangeness that the council was made up on non-Sanguine Shield marines. I'm cool either way.

>>45810374
Someone recommended Hegemon as a position above Polemarch, so we can have our Alexander.

Any reasons why NOT to have the Polemarchs from other chapters?

>>45802497
How strong are these guys sense of brotherhood? I'm guessing that's it's really strong if they're willing to immortalize their fallen martyred brothers in such ways.

>>45810426
It's quite unprecedented and would need a fairly unique explanation. Hence my proposal.

>>45810423
>>45810426
Meh, It just doesn't feel right to me. Y'know what I'm saying?

Also, the Hegemon thing makes sense now, needed to catch up a bit.

>>45810423
It started as a recommendation from the Officio, but it helps to legitimise them but further more gives this impromptu legi-I mean chapter some pull with the other chapters, which gives them some allies automatically and sets them up with a shining image already. Notice how they were all pulled from reputable successors? That was deliberate. They would have pulled from the Lamenters for their reputation amongst the populace, but they didn't want to fuck the chapter.

It's all politics.

>>45810434
SSSSTROOOOONG. With each other and with the chapters their higher ups are from if this >>45810471 is approved.

>>45810471
Okay, now it makes a ton more sense. I kind of like it a bit more now, I probably missed a bunch of stuff while I was working on the painter and trying to please everyone with the color schemes.

>>45810471
Again, is this when the chapter was founded or currently? Because if it's currently, that means that no Sanguine Shield currently is in their own High Command and you'd still need an explanation for why the other chapters agreed to let their marines go to fill these positions. It requires the other Blood Angel chapters being in on the secret.

>>45810471
It also gives them some free street cred having badasses from certified chapters in the inner council. This of course lets them get away with absolutely ludicrous shit like taking entire planets and executing planetary governors and blowing up space hulks because they harboured Chaos/Xenos/CHAOS XENOS

>>45810535
At its founding. The Polemarchs are old and veteran, but the Blood Angel Geneseed allows for much older marines.

There will come a time where the Triumvirate will be composed of Shields.

>>45810535
I'd say it happened at the beginning, and either they groomed their own successors, or worthy brothers were chosen to replace them.

Something else that I also love with or fluff, is that we secretly are waiting for the return of our Primarch and the reformation of the Legions. I think that's pretty cool, to be honest.

>>45810491
Sounds good, thanks.

Man, you guys are truly making something unique here, I just love the idea of Macedonian Warboy Astartes. Are the vehicles inspired by the Mad Max mythos as well? As in are they suped up rides that look unconventional and badass, the kind that pisses off the Machine Cult for not sticking to the basic form and the Orks for making more awesomely orky ramshackle vehicles.
That's another question as well. How good are these guys with the Machanicus? Do they have the aid of the techpriest or do they rely on their own skills when it comes to their hot rods?

>>45810583
So are you saying that those named marines are the same ones? Because there's older, and then there's 4,000 years old. Not even Blood Angel geneseed goes for that long. And if you're saying that they were replaced by other non-Sanguine Shield marines, then that still requires the other chapters to be in on it.

>>45810596
>waiting for the return of our Primarch and the reformation of the Legions
And that's what I was originally saying. The chapter is Dark Angels-lite in that they are the kernel of what the legion would be. Secretly influenced by half a dozen other Blood Angel chapters, but it was the Assassinorum that was the catalyst that led to its creation. A chapter that secretly does not govern itself.

>>45810617
Not ramshackle, but definitely beat to shit. They are constantly Crusading and receive minimal support from the outside. Personally I would say the techmarines are always stretched thin and keeping out for xenotech/STCs/heretek that they can report to Mars.

>>45810626
Shit, you're right, The named ones could be the progenitors, but the Triumvirate is now Shields.

Perhaps the names are inherited as well as the position, and the personalities are similar do to grooming and a mentor culture within the Chapter elite.

>>45810722
I know I've kinda been talking in circles, so I'll try to make this a simple vote.

The Triumvirate in M41,.
All Shields?
Or all other Chapters?
Either one can work, but I feel this needs to be solidified, and a think a mix would raise more questions.

>>45810596
Secretly? No they are pretty open open them waiting for the Emprah to get off his ass and resurrect Papa Sang and all the Shield bros. They are pretty jazzed about the whole thing.

>>45810721
The kernel of the legion would be the Blood Angels themselves. And the Officio having their hands up the ass of this space marine muppet has been agreed upon by an overwhelming majority. No sense in changing it now

>>45810759
Dude. Re-read this >>45810722

Read it hard

>>45810796
Got it, makes sense. I like it even more.

>>45810796
Nobody's changing anything. The question wasn't whether the Officio is in control, it's whether the other Blood Angels chapters are aware of that control.

>>45810803
I did. And that's one vote for All Shields. Now how about everyone else?

>>45810826
Shoot, I'm just going to agree with >>45810722 post. It's a good one, imo.

>>45810826
Oh no, absolutely not.

There was much dick waving and bureaucratic bullshit but the Officio through a mountain of proxies managed to peel away a Sanguinary Guard, then built the council around him.

Personally, I feel the exact origin of the Chapter, why the Hegemon is indebted to the Officio, and what words were said and promises made to get the cast they did, should be shrouded in mystery.

However, I also feel, that by some measure of fuckery, that the Hegemon is still the Original.

>>45804922
That's all you really have to know to understand the setting.

>>45810882
And this is where things go wrong. What you're asking for is a chapter being led by a collection of marines from other chapters, whose own chapters don't know they're here, who are over 4,000 years old, and without any explanation beyond, "The Officio did it."

So I'm gonna side with the others on all of them already being Shields.

>>45810969
Oh cool, that means we're on the same team, good to see you freindo!

When did I imply that they didn't know that they where there? I didn't. They don't know that it's all Officio fun and games, but they know they are lending battle brothers to create a righteous new chapter to whipe out double heresy. At the behest of Terra, no less.

When did I imply that the others had to be 4000 years old? Besides the Hegemon, they aren't.

Wait...them Already being shields? See you've created your own side. Lonely over there?

This >>45810722 is what we have going on now.

Just some clarification on whether the Hegemon- ah fuck it. I'm going to assume that you're literate. So yay nay? Perhaps interred within a dread?

>>45811028
Congratulations, you killed the dialogue.

Here's a compromise, so we can get back to business.

The Hegemon is interred in a Dreadnought. Without the ties to the Officio the Shields become less interesting, and no one else owes the Officio anything. He goes and the Assasinorum loses its tool. He's the original Aleksander the Magnificent, of the Blood Angels.

The original Polemarchs where from different chapters for already stated resons. When they died Shields took their place. It's now been Shields only for a while, but the chapter still has ties to the those chapters that they borrowed guys from.

The Blood Angels suspect that the Sanguine Shields are not all they seem to be and The Hegemon isn't totally clean, but they aren't totally sure to whom he is indebted to. They let him go head the Chapter "by order from Holy Terra" because he was in many ways and exemplary Marine (Sanguinary Guard. Duh) and supposedly pure of heart. He would create worthy Successors, and whatever shadiness they suspected went completely unsubstantiated. They pressured other Successors to lend experience and gifted warriors to help jump start the chapter, so they did so.

Whatever the Hegemon did to land himself firmly in the pocket of the Officio is unknown to all but the Hegemon and the Officio, but whatever happened it happened in the Cull.

How does that satisfy?

>>45811631

So question, did all the characters made up from the last thread not get added to the wiki yet becuase no one has got around to it or was the thread not archived...?

>>45808893

I added enlisted to the ranks because I didn't know what else to put.

>>45810214

Uh, they aren't Macedonians copy and pasted. I objected because the ranks were being used in the wrong context. The hegemon (One of Alexander's bargin-bin titles, because he crowned himself emperor), is the head of the league of city states that rules Alexandria, their home planet. The chapter master holds the title but generally does not interfere in the affairs of the city states. The chapter master's actual title as head of the chapter is polemarch, which means supreme commander. The company commanders are titled archon, which simply means leader, and they are in command of one tagma, regiment, each. Finally, each tagma is divided into several lochos, warbands, which are commanded by a lochagos, warband leader.

Ancient Macedonia had a complex command structure that is wholly different from this. Alexander held a fuck-load of titles and gave his generals a shit load too, like satrap (Governor) and strategos (Commander). I'm not going for historical accuracy, I'm going for uniqueness.

Also, I'm still watching the wiki, but I'll update it only when we have agreed on characters. I'll rewrite the whole thing to match a proper article, but you guys need to get the colour scheme and characters sorted out. I think we're agreed that the chapter is Officio puppets and is used for shady shit.

>>45813446
We had 3-4 characters written up in the last thread

>>45813492

Post them here and I'll put them in later.

>>45813508
I didn't save them and I'm not sure if the thread was archived>>45813508

>>45804127
Baller.

>>45806073
>>45806248

If in their case the Black Rage is indeed sometimes brought about by imminent death, or somehow wilfully accelerated in anticipaion of it, an appropriate name for the Black Company be 'The Witnessed'.

This implies that these brothers are already assured of their place in the Silvered Halls. Considered already dead by their fellows, they are seen as walking evidence of the prophetic March of the Legion when the Emperor rises once more.

>>45814023
>an appropriate name for the Black Company be 'The Witnessed'.
That already sounds badass.
So if it hits them mostly when they sense an imminent death or are about to die, thus causing them to sucide in one last blaze of glory, would they lack the numbers to make up a death company? And if there even was a company, what weapons would they use primarily? I'd imagine they would use a lot of explosives.

>>45812596
The thread stays up for a while on tg, then on that other tg archive, but will eventually disappear until someone throws it up on suptg

>>45814081
Could be sort of a punishment, where marines who fail to do their duty in battle must become witnessed. I don't think that fits all that well, but hey, its a start

>>45814892
>Could be sort of a punishment, where marines who fail to do their duty in battle must become witnessed.
That can work, it makes for their death company to be unique.
Not every Marine is gonna have a successful suicide bombing as well.
Those Marines who disgrace themselves or have committed a serious crime must feel the need to take on the colors of the death company so that they can die a glorious death. Not just a simple glory death too, it has to be something of considerable scale that equals the weight of the crime exactly or more. Should they be successful, then their death becomes legendary amoungst their witnessed brothers and becomes an epic tale to the chapter. Should they fail to met the standerds of their crime, then they are forgotten to the chapter, their name and legacy striped clean from the records with their skull and hearts destroyed.
A fate the Astartes of this chapter could fear greatly.

>>45815035
They could have a "Hall of the Witnessed" in their fortress with all the names of those who died in battle, and maybe there's a dedicated scribe to recounting all of the glorious last acts committed

I think we should involve the Mechanicus in some form. The local forge world could produce our shields and spears, plus tanks and powered armour (Since we're four times as large as a normal chapter, we'll need a lot of extra equipment), and in return, we assist them in rooting out tech heresy and their search for an STC.

>>45815072
I'm sure the Assasinorum also plays a part in making sure our chapter is always adiquately equiped. A combination of the two would be nice


we could always take it the Conservators route though

>>45815035
I want to add that this could be a way for the Assasinorum to get rid of any Marines they consider a threat to their control over the chapter.
>>45815069
That's a great idea, it can also serve as a place to display the silver coated skulls of the witnessed with the moment of thier glorious death inscribed onto the skull itself.
>>45815072
I was thinking it would fit more the Warboyish and apocalyptic tones if the Marines had to rely on their own skills when it came to maintaining their vehicles. This way they can become skilled in the art of building vehicles in these unconventional but awesome ways.
They can have the aid of the Mechanicus, but it's like a love hate relationship because while the techpriest's love the fact that the chapter is skilled in preserving their battle worn tanks, speeders, buggies, and jet bikes. They can't stand the fact that the marines insist upon adding larger wheels, fuel that makes it go faster, grips for Marines to hold onto when they hang onto the vehicle from the outside, an extra gun or four, and longer and larger exhaust pipes that spew out flames.

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Do the neophytes wear more tirbal looking scout gear? What's their gear like?

>>45813413
No one cares.

Uniqueness>Macedonian Authenticiy

>>45813446
The colour scheme is set mate. But much obliged for the help

>>45814081
The Death Company is largely made up by normal Marines, see here >>45809908

Go to the last thread and ctrl F "Eversor"

That's what they become

>>45815285
I'm not super into the whole Warboy thing translating into their armed forces. It's mostly the Neophytes who want to prove that they are worthy of being made Peltast and they take that wildness and strip it down, turning them into a well disciplined soldier.

That being said we need a land Raider converted so we can have a Chaplain doof warrior

>>45815103
Talk to me about the conservators route? Some one alikened their gear to them last thread

>>45815489
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Conservators

They were cut off largely from the rest of the Imperium, so they had to make due with whatever they could scrape together. A decent amount even didn't have and power armor. They're all about conserving what little resources they had to work with, thus the name

>>45815439
>"Eversor Marines"
As if a normal one wasn't bad enough, now it's a superhuman being with a literal death wish that also explodes. Awesome.
>>45815477
>a land Raider converted so we can have a Chaplain doof warrior
Exactly the kind of Warboyish stuff I'm talking about. How can you say your not that into the idea and yet still suggest a crazily great idea? All in all though, I meant it as in that the Marines generally have to rely upon themselves for maintaining the chapters vehicles since their battle doctrine relies heavily on it. This can add to that sense of discipline, self-reliance, and a brotherhood that depends on each other to help out. After all, they'll have to depend on the Battle Brother that rides next to them to record their glorious death after being 'Witnessed."
>>45815489
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Conservators

>>45815357

I'd say a type of flak armour and a las gun.

"You will fight as our ancestors and the men in the Imperial Guard fight. Remember, pride cometh before the fall. Only when you have learned to respect the men you will command, only when you have learned to value their sacrifice, will you, in the name of the Emperor, become a Space Marine."

>>45815402

Are you honestly retarded? I just said I was prioritizing uniqueness over authenticity. I don't care what titles you use so long as you use them correctly. For example, you can't have the hegemon and the polemarch as different people because both titles imply their holder is in command. Likewise, you can't have more than one polemarch because it means supreme commander. 90% of Greek titles are the same concept but put to a different name. Archon and strategos, for example, both mean general.

>>45815876
>Remember, pride cometh before the fall
But they're super proud, I thought

>>45815981

Yes, but not to the point of retardation. What they are being told is that they will not become a true Space Marine until they have learned what it is to be human. They should value the lives of their comrades in both the chapter and the Imperial Guard. They should value the lives of the people they serve.

They are proud of their achievements and service to humanity, not their status. They value skill, but do not boost. They send lesser men to their deaths, but value their service and appreciate their sacrifice.

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If someone with shopping abilities could put the Imperial skull in here and make it silver, I'll throw up a infobox on the wiki

>>45815627
>>45815581
Okay so maybe not all the way conservators, but definitely strapped for resources, what with constant crusading and the like.

>>45815925
Ooorrr we can not be autistic and use names we like and use them how we damn well please.

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>>45816431
I'd drop the red circle and just solidify the circle in the middle.

If you put a skull in the middle they just look like Novamrines

>>45816431
Is that the seal of argead?

Sweet.

>>45816511
I was just thinking of how to make it more 40k-y. Any other ideas?

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This is with the OP picture colours.

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>>45816543
Perhaps more like the original on the left? The circle in the middle can be replaced with the skull. Perhaps the Sun burst can be made silver instead as to better fit the trim.

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>>45816566
You missed the bus lad. >>45807057

We do need one with a tan Pauldron and Arm replacing the purple though. The purple indicates a captian or Sergeant.

>>45816669
>>45816543
Simplify the center circle so it's just a solid dot. Knock off the smaller rays. Make the fucker silver.

>>45816740
>>45816669
>>45816543
A BLOOD DROP IN THE CIRCLE!

>>45816740

The colours the OP picked are shit and don't match the picture we have.

>>45816789
Get your eyes checked. Your colours are far too light.

We all like this. Go away

>>45816835

No, fuck you. OP's colours are fucking terrible.

>>45816859
No fuck you, your shade of purple makes my eye hurt

>>45816878

It's the same as the picture in the OP. I copied the colours directly from it.

>>45816908
>>45816878
>>45816859
>>45816835
>>45816789
>>45816789
>>45816835
Drawfag here, colours in OP pic are:
d5c19b for Tan
780e0c for Red
49386f for Purple
4d4d4d for Grey
12fff1 for Blue

>>45816936
Thanks for the drawfaggotry mang

>>45816859
Aw, so sad. There's the door

>>45816936

And they are what I used, as closely as I could.

>>45816954

Go out it then, you haven't contributed anything but grief in an attempt to make this chapter your own creation. Take your magical realm somewhere else, faggot.

>>45816971
As the only one who's even attempted to fluff these guys to any meaningful degree, you can go fuck yourself, you tumor.

YOU want Macedonian Marines with a eyesore paint scheme.

Anyway this is a good compromise.
>>45811631

Who agrees so we can move on?

>>45817118

We already agreed we aren't going with your retarded command structure, and the OP only started coming up with new colour schemes after we moved onto the second thread. The drawfag that made the OP image used the colour scheme we agreed upon in the original thread. We also agreed in the first thread that we would use a Macedonian theme for the chapter, and that is what we have done.

As I said before, take your magical realm somewhere else. Make your own chapter if you like, but do it somewhere else.

>>45817187
Hahaha Jesus you have really bad autism friend.

No, OOP said he liked the command structure, then flip flopped. You where the only one who didn't like it because of your potent autism and Arm Chair historianism. We refined the idea and it works now. You're just eating up the post limit because you don't like where this is going.

They are not Macedonian. But we will cherry pick the shit out of Macedonian culture and nomenclature to create the chapter.

So with their origins set and the command structure developed what's the break down of the Tagmata? Because they can't all be bikes without us hedging into White Scars territory.

>>45815357
Yeah Neophytes don't get legit gear until they become Peltast. They run around half naked and with hunting Lances, hopping off land raiders in an attempt to prove their worth.

They are equipped with whatever they can loot, scrounge up, or scrap together.

This whole thread needs more Illiad

>>45817387
Proabably should all be issued some shitty bolter at the very least. Maybe flak whenever they can get it

>>45817334

How retarded are you, honestly? The OP agreed that the command structure you picked was retarded, after I said why it was retarded. They are not Macedonian, but they are inspired by Macedonia, why this so hard to grasp? If you want to create your own generic Greek chapter, go somewhere else.

If you had even read the wiki, you'd know the first four tagmata don't even use bikes. Jesus Christ, you're giving orders and re-writing accepted fluff without even knowing the actual chapter itself. You're the one that is eating up the post limit because the chapter doesn't fit into your magical realm. We don't care about your autism, take it and your chapter somewhere else, retard.

>>45816566

The OP needs to say if we're going with this or not. If fits the picture at the top, because it's the scheme the drawfag used.

>>45816055
They thing with Neophytes is they are there to show that they have what it takes to survive in an a extremely high attrition environment. The Shields often operate outside of Imperial Supply lines, so a Shield deployment is often rough as hell and without much in the way of support.

If a Neophyte can make it is a human, fighting like a wild man, then he can mist certainly make it as a marine, fighting tightly with discipline.

>>45817413
I feel an Autogun would be better.

>>45817392
I feel like this is putting too many ingredients in the stew.

>>45817424
Ah, it's okay buddy. You'll learn to live with autism someday.

Catch up on the thread pal, they like my idea. The Triumvirate is here to stay.

>>45817447
OP said this was the official look
>>45807057

Autismbro is just bringing it back up because it hurts him inside.

>>45817572

The Triumvirate wasn't agreed upon, neither were the chapter colours, so you can take your shit and fuck off.

>>45817572

We already have a ruling council in the archtones, the Council of Ancients. You'd know this if you actually read any of the threads. The colour scheme in the OP picture was universally liked, and that's the one I posted. The OP started editing it later on by changing the colour of the arm.

>>45817624
Check the thread again buddy.

I have a cousin with autism, going outside and sitting in the grass usually helps him out when he has panic attacks. Might help you, who knows.
So back on track, we need an actual battle cry. "Witness me" is just memes.

Witness me in greek perhaps?

>>45817687
How about "In the Emperor's Eyes" or something

>>45817687
>Witness me in greek perhaps?
Google translate has it at "mártyras Me". And mártyras sounds like Martyrs, so I think it fits.

>>45817687

It was agreed upon in the last thread that the command structure was not being changed, and it was agreed upon in the original thread that we would go with a Macedonian theme. And then you suddenly come in and start enforcing your own ideas and insulting anyone who disagrees. Take the hint and shut the fuck up.

>>45817673
I've been in all the threads since the very first roll.

Kek, samefagging your idea in the creation thread does not count my friend, I am truly sorry.

No one saw your idea, and if you read this very thread in which you are currently posting you will find OOP agreeing with the Triumvirate. Now perhaps we can veer out of Macedonia and make some making unique. Just maybe?

>>45817705
This is pretty cool actually, but so is
>>45817758

I'm torn

>>45817768

The Triumvirate makes no sense because the chapter already has a council of ten veteran marines and having three "supreme commanders" is illogical. I've never samefagged, the OP agreed with the Macedonian theme in the original thread. I never pushed anything.

>>45817762
Nope. You can go away though, if that's cool with you.

Honestly, if you stopped flipping shit because you want more Macedonia we would be halfway done. Instead you bitch and through up disgusting jolly rancher paint schemes.

>>45817758
That sounds pretty badass actually.

I think that's something that needs to be discussed through. How selfless are these guys really? It's been hinted at in the previous threads that they will stick their necks out, but that ultimately they act in the tactical interest of the chapter.

>>45817812
No one approved your Council of the Ancients dude.

>>45817835

You started this shit yesterday when I pointed out that officers have a purple shoulder plate, not a purple arm. What did you reply with?

"Purple arm looks better.

Dingus.

Also who gives a shit? Do you have autism?"

Your first reply, and you'd already started throwing autism around. Maybe it's you that has it?

>>45817876

The OP did in the original thread, as a nod to the Macedonian senate. All of this has been signed and sealed, we're just meant to be coming up with extra fluff, not radically changing the chapter. At least, we were until the "much special Greek marines" guy stormed in and started enforcing his ideas on everyone.

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How about we look at the colour scheme the OP and the drawfag originally posted, and which was agreed upon? Oh look, here it is, the same as what I and the drawfag posted.

>>45817903
I actually know nothing about Greece, but that's cool. I thought autists took thing very literally, but you seem to be reading way too far into my words. In fact, I think you're the only one who's brought up Greece...wierd, huh?

Purple arm really does loon better though famalam.

That being said how do we fix the whole "officer" thing. It's dumb as fuck.

>>45817947
That other arm needs to be purple and it would be fantastic.

Of make the pauldron and the arm tan.

>>45817768
>Now perhaps we can veer out of Macedonia and make some making unique.
I agree that we shouldn't make them too much like the Greeks. Adding the Warboy stuff and the self reliance with their equipment helps us to truly make something cool as hell.
>>45817776
The "mártyras me" really fits well with the theme of the Martyr worship these guys have. The only problem is that the word "me" doesn't translate well so it stays the same.
>>45817835
>How selfless are these guys really?
Likely that the actual Marines themselves know that it's better to live and fight another day rather then to give your life for the moment. Some can think otherwise and it can be a lesson that trainees need to figure out and learn. The complete fixation on sacrificing themselves can be left up to the Death Company and the other can focus on awaiting and training for the moment when they themselves will after give up their lives in one last desperate attempt for glory.
>>45817947
I actually do like the purple arm, but it seems like this thing is still up for debate.

>>45817986

Therefore, you shouldn't be fluffing marines based on Greek culture. You know fucking nothing about what we're talking about. You're just throwing your toys out of your pram because I disagreed with your ideas. If you want your own special chapter based upon your own ideas, make it, but do it somewhere else.

>>45818002
>>45818025

One tan arm and one red arm was the original colour. OP can't seem to decide what he likes, we've gone through at least ten schemes so far. I think purple is too striking/out of place for the entire arm, and that the arms should be the same colour, but whatever.

>>45818050
Nope, in going to be here until you an hero you autistic britbong

>>45818025
>I agree that we shouldn't make them too much like the Greeks. Adding the Warboy stuff and the self reliance with their equipment helps us to truly make something cool as hell.

This is exactly what we had agreed upon until autism guy suddenly started changing everything. OP said we were ready to start adding characters and writing the history/fluff.

>>45818076

That's nice.

>>45818050
Well lets compromise, we can have the colors in the OP Pic be the standard scheme and have the purple arm for elites, veterans, or captains as a form of honors. We can do the same with the silver trim.
Any other ideas?
>>45818111
We should try to meet half way, i mean, I thought the idea was to make these guys a blend of infantry and armored vehicle? The Macedonian tactics combined with the Warboy reliance on vehicles is a good blend, just have cavalry replaced with the fast light vehicles and artillery with the more armored tanks.

>>45818025
The Death Company are borderline Khornate bezerkers, more Frenzon then they are Astartes.

I think the chapter should refuse to perform Exterminatus, just as a cultural quirk.

Things we need revised.
>Named characters
>Fluff on the "Council of Ancients", because an autistic brit who has never been told no is upset that were not greek enough
>This whole rank thing. An enlisted Astartes is as logical as a pacifist Bloodletter.
>Chapter enemies
>Makeup of the Tagmata. They have 4000 marines, not counting a regiment's worth of Neophytes. That's a lot of fucking bikes
>Combat doctrine
>Chapter culture


>>45818111
It's funny isn't it, Autistbrit, because I'm the very same anon that came up Warboy neophytes and the shady Officio stuff in the first place.

What's it like being prevented from owning anything more deadly than a spork?

>>45818212
The thought behind the Triumvirate is it leads three different styles of warfare; Ranged support, infantry formations, and Armoured assault.

Considering that the Macedonians where famed for mixed unit tactics, I think this should be a big thing for the Shields.

>>45818251
>The Death Company are borderline Khornate bezerkers, more Frenzon then they are Astartes.
That makes sense, and combined with the black rage, would make for some crazy stuff.
Question, what exactly do the Shields hallucinate when they enter the black rage? The Primarch or their fallen/disgraced brothers?
>Things we need revised.
>Chapter culture
I suggest we build up the homeworld first because that usually acts as a bases for culture.
>>45818338
>The thought behind the Triumvirate is it leads three different styles of warfare; Ranged support, infantry formations, and Armored assault.
This could work even with the other command idea, You can have these guys be the captains of the last three companies or Tagmata, each focusing on one of the warfare style. Though, it might be better to have a blend of all three for each Tagmata, so perhaps it can be the first few companies that focus on these individually and have new Marines go through each until they've mastered fighting in all.

>>45818251

Guys, read the wiki. I revised a lot of stuff.

>>45818251

Neophytes were always Mad Max-style guys, they're recruited from PDF guys who love duelling with vehicles in deserts.

I'm not even British.

>>45818338

We never agreed on tactics past armoured assault. I specifically asked the OP what he wanted and he said "pro-heavy armour." This was after I suggested they should specialise in anti-armour by using a melta/power spear combo weapon.

The line marines hold the enemy in place so that the buggy marines and heavy armour can flank them. Peltast scouts harry the enemy during the advance, and when they retreat. This was Alexander's strategy, hammer and anvil. He wasn't actually that big of an infantry commander, he just had a lot of infantry.

>This could work even with the other command idea, You can have these guys be the captains of the last three companies or Tagmata, each focusing on one of the warfare style.

There are nine line tagmata (The 10th is the Death Company, Tagma Thanatos), so you could assign three to each style of warfare. The way I did it when doing up the command structure was assign the scouts to the 9th company, outfit four with buggies and bikes (Representing light cavalry), and another four with heavy armour (Representing heavy cavalry). Alexander used combined arms tactics, so splitting them up based on their style of warfare doesn't make much sense.

>>45818606
I don't even know where to start with this fucking wiki.

Jesus christ

Well, 4,000 marines divided by ten gives you 400 marines per tagmata. A lochos is ten marines, so we'll need an intermediary unit. I suggest tourmai (Wings) of 100 marines, each commanded by a kentarchos.

>>45818742

What is your issue?

>>45818742
By the looks of it, anywheres an improvement

>>45818758
Next time, just try modelling it off of other tg homebrew chapters

>>45818770

I used the Black Templars page as the template.

>>45818606
Going over the wiki, I gotta say that I really like what I'm seeing. I hope we can find a way to make this stuff work out in the end.
>>45818770
>just try modelling it off of other tg homebrew chapters
I thought we were trying to do our own thing? Well I guess we can still use the tables to acquire ideas.

>>45818811

It's meant to be a barebones wiki. OP knows it's there and said it's fine for now.

>>45818811
I mean just the format. The wiki right now is kind of a mess of cluttered ideas with no fluff.

>>45818758
Spelling mistakes, misnamed things, random presumptions, Grese, the Mechanicus shoe horned into there.

It's a start, but let's take everything in the wiki faith a grain of salt.

So. Of were all done being autistic, we need to agree on some very base things.

Hegemon Aleksander the Magnificent, Polemarch of the Sanguine Shields.
>Former Sanguinary Guard of the Blood Angels?
>In a Dreadnought so he can still rule the chapter?
>The Officio has him by the balls for unknown reasons?

We need to solidify the inception of the chapter and the major characters, then we can work on the homeworld. How does that sound?

>>45818821
>>45818844
Perhaps, but from what I've read, such as Chapter Organisation, Marine Designations, and Rank Structure. I like the overall idea alot, this is how we make it near Macedonian.
>>45818879
My vote is on-
>Former Sanguinary Guard of the Blood Angels?
This sets him up as a badass with a legacy, hell we can make him the first martyr. A start to all the fanaticism.

>>45818879

>spelling

Spell check says there aren't any issues with spelling.

>misnamed things

Like?

>presumptions

Only until we have a solid base from which to work from.

>Grese

I couldn't find any names for that area on the major 40k wikis. Look, if America can be corrupted to Merica, Greece can be corrupted to Grese.

>Mechanicus

Read the thread, we are involved with them in some form.

>Former Sanguinary Guard of the Blood Angels?

Yes.

>>In a Dreadnought so he can still rule the chapter?

Yes.

>>The Officio has him by the balls for unknown reasons?

Something heretical might fit in here. Maybe he did something unspeakable in his past?

>>45818959

The first martyr was Maximus the Furious. I need you guys to write some fluff up on him so I can put it in.

>>45818959
I mean, the Officio DOES have him by the balls.

My thing is that the Sanguinary Shields needs Aleksander to work. He's their link to the chapter and the conduit through which they control them.

I feel even if he did die they would do anything in their fucking power to see him in a Dreadnought. Or put something in his place that's "Aleksander".

>>45818978
Aleksander, Aleksandria, stuff like that.

You can leave Grese out of this. No one goes right and say "THE ULTRAMARINES ARE BASED OFF OF AN ANCIENT TERRAN KINGDOM OF WOME". It's unnecessary.

Of course we are invovled with the Mechanicus. Techmarines ARE a thing. I think the relation might be that they fucking hate the chapter.

Alright, I'm back, was in the hospital. I need to know what's going on, I was there about ten or so minites after my last post.

>>45819076
Shit flinging.

Unnecessary amounts of shitflinging.

What was the original name of Aleksandria? It stands to reason that is wasn't always named after Aleksander.

I think the chapter history should begin with the dispatch of Aleksander and Maximus the Furious to Aleksandria. They defeat the horde of self-replication robotic watch-dogs based there who had previously kept the planet's population in a state of fear. Maximus is killed in the assault, and Aleksander is ordered to found a new chapter to watch over the sector.

>>45819122
Makes sense. This is /tg/.

Looks like there was argument over the colors. I'll post the exact ones we agreed on the and the hex codes.

>>45818978
>The first martyr was Maximus the Furious. I need you guys to write some fluff up on him so I can put it in.
Thanks for the correction, now does anyone have a general idea? Some suggestion that was posted before?
>>45819014
Alright, I see what you mean now. Though I'm wondering if becoming a dreadnought wouldnt be considered a bad thing since they respect those that die more, with the whole martyr thing.

>>45819151

One guy kept trying to change the chapter command structure and enforce his own ideas. Did you agree to that, or are we going by the wiki?

>>45819150
>What was the original name of Aleksandria?
It should probably be something Egyptian like, since Alexander founded the city around a small ancient Egyptian town.
>I think the chapter history should begin with the dispatch of Aleksander and Maximus the Furious to Aleksandria. They defeat the horde of self-replication robotic watch-dogs based there who had previously kept the planet's population in a state of fear. Maximus is killed in the assault, and Aleksander is ordered to found a new chapter to watch over the sector.
Are these enimes chaos related? I thought that was one of the rolled up ideas. Either way it sounds good.

>>45819288

I suggested they be a type of Necron, but we can go with corrupted AIs if you like.

>>45819150
The chapter was founded to "counter a rising xenos threat" on orders from "Holy Terra".
>>45811631

Veterans where pulled from other chapters to be the first Archontes or whatever and lay the foundations for the Council of Ancients.

>>45819161
It's probably a matter of contention within the chapter but considered to be a wise choice considering that he's a gifted commander and excellent orator, even within his sarcophagus.

>>45818978
Whoa, when the hell did we say that they where in Ultras space?!

>>45819174
First off, this is a group project. Just because I'm the OOP doesn't mean I have complete authority. I don't care to be honest because my meds are making me tired so I don't want to do much thinking.

Secondly, I'm happy someone at least updated the wiki page.

Thirdly, I like that you guys kept fluffing them. Good job!

Third, here are the hex codes that I've used.

>#241E4E is the Officer's Purple color.
>#EADAA2 is the Tan color.
>#960200 is the Red color.
>#00FFFF is the Cyan color.
>#E3DAC9 is the Bone color.
>#36454F is the Charcoal color.
>#BCC6CC is the Metallic Silver color.

These are the ONLY ones I've used.
Also, please note that I've been forgetting to use the silver color on the mouth grills.

Right, so what are these xenos?

I put the following for the chapter origins.

"The day-to-day running of the chapter is mainly done by the individual tagmata commanders, the archontes, due to injuries Polemarch Alexander received during the [INSERT CONFLICT HERE] against the [INSERT ENEMY HERE], which necessitated his internment inside the chassis of a dreadnought."

>>45819354

A bunch of people suggested it in the last thread. I'm just going by what I remember. I think someone said we're based around the Maelstorm.

>>45819361

I meant what are we doing regarding the arm. The picture in the OP used this scheme: >>45816566

>>45819388
AHAHAUDUD

Your colours are hideous autistbro, stop linking them. This is like Red eyes all over again but much greater.

We also need a picture for the infobox, as in a chapter symbol.

>>45819388
Mate. We've this stuff already agreed upon. Go back and read the thread. The normal non-officer marines right arm is tan fully, and the left arm is red fully.

That reminds me in that I'll need to post an updated version of the Non-Officer color scheme, and the officer color scheme. Need to make thei mouth grills silver and the Non-Officer's necks red.

>>45819430
He's right, you know.

>>45819388
Polemarch Alexander who's that?

We have a Polemarch Aleksander but I doubt it's the same guy. Day to day stuff can be run by the captians sure, but the Hegemon is has the first and final say in any matter.

>>45819315
Whatever the majority decides, though Egyptian or Persian Necrons would be cool. We can have Aleksander and Maximus conquer the planet from them.
>>45819338
>even within his sarcophagus.
This gave me an idea, in real life Alexander's body was lost so perhaps overtime, Aleksander's Dreadnought could become lost, making the Assassinorum lose their shit because now they lost they're supposed puppet.
>>45819388
>Right, so what are these xenos?
Persian or Egyptian Necrons or chaos cultist?

>>45819472
Yes please. And that's the last we'll ever speak of colours again.

Also read the wiki, no not the dubious stuff the ranks. Getting rid of the word enlisted is all that was required.

>>45819503
That is a cool idea for a Black Library book, but let's not introduce the thought now, okay?

>>45819503
Just have the Xenos be an unknown. Cybernetic beasts that weakened the veil around them like a reverse Gellar field. How does that sound?

>>45819472

Well, you posted that exact scheme in the original thread, and I got those colours directly from the OP picture.

>>45819474

>Polemarch Alexander who's that?

It is, I used the wrong spelling.

>Day to day stuff can be run by the captians sure, but the Hegemon is has the first and final say in any matter.

I assume he still attends their meetings. If he's meant to be Thule-tier injured, then they would at least wake him up for the important stuff.

By day-to-day running, I mean mundane shit, not what's the next crusade target.

>>45819549
>That is a cool idea for a Black Library book, but let's not introduce the thought now, okay?
Alright then, just an idea for lore.
>Just have the Xenos be an unknown. Cybernetic beasts that weakened the veil around them like a reverse Gellar field. How does that sound?
That can work, though depending how legendary we want to make their defeat, we might want to decorate them more a bit. Just a bit.

How about we say Aleksander and Maximus came to the area during the "Thebian Crusade" to bring the area under Imperial control?

>>45819554
I think he's not so much wounded to shit, as he was getting old. Like really fucking old.

Which was a good thing, because the Officio got to keep its pet. But they knew the clock was fucking ticking. So he got hit by an Ork Sniper and into a Sarcophagus he went. He's actually fine and would have walked it off after some medical attention, but the Officio isn't taking risks losing an entire chapter. And without their minimal support they would probably fall to ruin anyway

>>45819743
Remember what we rolled? The chapter was formed BECAUSE of the threat.

Ill be posting some of the fluff we had up from the last thread soon keep in mind that some of us didnt really have a grasp on the command structure so we might have to change somethings

The Sanguine shields harshest campaign was their second. Two companies were sent out to investigate a rediscovered planet and reclaim it for the imperium. However when the 3rd and 5th company (sorry I forgot the names we were using for companies) they were caught in a circle of chaos cultists and a large group of the Angels apostate. The 3rd and 5th company conducted their powerful shield wall tactic and fended off the foes. The angels apostate, frustrated with SSs stubbornness decided to continually ram vehicles and jet bikes into the formation, ultimately breaking it and routing the Shields Sanguine. When reinforcments arrived it was all but too late and the angels apostate had stripped the corpses of SS of weapons and useful parts for power armor. Enraged the chapter Master decpared a Crusade in order to avenge their fallen brothers. Most of the marines had never fought an agent of chaos before and we're befuddled by the tactics they used, being vastly different than the mechanical xenos they were used to fighting. The battles went back and forth, 1 win for the imperium followed by one win for chaos. It ultimately came down to when the Sanguine shields luckily found the angels apostate's main ship they were using as their base of operations. The polemarch personally led a strike team of 10 terminators to destroy the ship from the inside, they would not lose another life due to inexperience. The finest terminators battled aboard the ship fighting through swathes of enemies to the engine. When they arrived the polemarch looked at his remaining men and his thundering voice echoed "leave me! I shall detonate the ship my self, our chapter needs astartes like you to lead it. You're the most experienced of the chapter. You will not die to these dogs! One of the terminators stepped up and slapped his polemarch across the face and told him"we would not be astartes if we abandoned out leader for a cause as foolish as that!" The chapter Master smirked,

Cont'd

>>45819897
The terminators looked at each other briefly and fired at the ships engines. Just as the engines were about to explode and officio assassin showed them a way out of the ship after he assassinated the leader of the small fleet. The explosion of ships blast killed the lightly armoured assassin and 2 of the 6 terminators and severly wounded the others. The chapter Master swore upon his chapters dignity that will annihilate the angels apostate in the name of the emperor, the imperium and their fallen brothers

sorry for the massive wall of text and shitty grammar

>>45819743
>"Thebian Crusade"
Now that sounds cool, good thinking anon.
>>45819801
What if Aleksander got tired of being the Officio's pet and actually tried to kill himself, via one last "witness' moment. Only he f-up'd and was still alive afterwards so the Officio forcibly made him a Dreadnought.

Icarius, genestealer's bane
Icarius, was a powerful Librarian of the Sanguine shields and was among the first of his chapter to investigate an unnamed space hulk. While investigating the space hulk it appeared all but empty, several of the neophytes brought along were complaining about there being nothing to test their mettle. Icarius pointed out to the neophytes that this space hulk may be the domain of the genestealers that officio warned them about. After 12 hours into the massive abandoned space hulk, Icarius noticed something gruesome. A dead body of an officio assassin, slashed and mangled Beyond recognition. Before he could give the word to retreat and let the terminators handle this they were upon his squad and neophytes. Some 15 genestealers appeared and ripped the astartes to shreds, the 9 neophytes and their sergeant managed to slay 8 of them before the sergeant was gone. Icarius focused on his psyker powers and managed to slay 2 of the genestealers. After the neophytes were gone it was just icarius and his bolter and 2 Melta bombs. The enraged Librarian slayed the GS with ease. He retreated back to base but his comrades noticed something, the black rage consumed him, but not fully. Icarius demanded for his Terminator armor and then he set off telling his allies to retreat but give him several wild men to with him. Not much is known of what happened on the space hulk but his allies investigated after 2 days of silence. Icarius and his wild men lie dead with heaps of genestealers around them. The broodLord (sorry forgot genestealers rankings) lay dead on the ground. Icarius and the rest of the wildmen's hearts were taken and are now considered holy Relics among the chapter, said to bring luck and skill of untold reaches. He is forever immortalized as the "Genestealer's bane"

I'll only be able to post one or two more so if someone can take over for me when i'm done that'd be great

Brother Hephaestion was a sanguiniary priest of the Sanguinary Sheilds chapter of adeptus astartes charged with treason and heresy of the highest order for sequestering an indeterminate amount of the chapter's gene seed for an unknown purpose some time in the latter half of M37. He was apprehended and returned to his brothers for trial at the courtesy of representatives serving at the behest of Eversor temple of the Officio Assassinatorum. At the time of the hand over, it was reported that brother Hephaestion was in an unresponsive, catatonic state, reportedly from interrorgation at the hands of the Eversor clade. The missing gene seed disappeared without a trace.

Javarian, wall Eternal is a current champion in the Sanguine shields. During his first mission as a full fledged battle brother his squad was ambushed by a company of angels apostate. Javarian, following his leaders orders retreated into a village thought to be abandoned. When the marines discovered that the civilians were Hiding in fear of the Angels apostate Javarian set his mind to defending them. He asked his sergeant to re-group with the rest of the chapter and get the civilians out of here, and he proclaimed the emperor easy watching him and he will not let him fall. The sergeant gave javarian his scutum power shield and left under his trust. Javarian spent the next two days fending of angels apostate squads with his heavy bolter and two scutum shields (wielded at the same time). The chapter was delayed by the CSM in coming to relieve Javarian of his duty. When Javarian's sergeant returned he see a single space marine dodging back and forth striking and blocking 5 angels apostate, yelling "witness me! For I am the emperors shield against chaos!). The reinforcments swiftly finished off the tired CSM. Javarian tired from his duty fell to one knee and mumbled in deep breaths, "all safe, the civilians are all safe. There is nothing more I can do". Upon further inspection Javarian was fighting with 38 different broken bones. The chapter dubbed him the eternal wall and he forever became a champion embedded in the history of the Sanguine shields

all right i'm out ill check on the thread when I get back someone add these to the wiki please

"Some say the injuries Aleksander received were only minor, and that he would have recovered in time, if not for the intervention of the Officio Assassinorum, which delayed Aleksander's evacuation to the chapter fleet in order to use his strike force to assist one of their operatives."

Good or bad?

>>45819934
>"I am not a dog. I am a Son of Sanguinius. Some of the Emperor. Son of man."
>Hegemon Aleksander the Magnificent, Polemarch of the Sanguine Shields looked upon the battle field, and upon golden wings dove into the heart of the enemy
>"Mártyras mou!"
>In a ball of flame the heretic command was consumed. The Hegemon had gained his Chapter's freedom, even if they had not known it.

>His reverie was broken by the static crackle of awakening sensor arrays.
>He could not feel, nor breath, but he knew he was alive. He had failed.
>A nasal voice, harsh and high, whispered into his sensor, it's master unseen.
>"Good evening, Lord Aleksander. We did everything in our power to see that you remained with us."
>The tomb shook with the Hegemon's fury, his guttural rage distorted by the speakers of the sarcophagus
>"Rest now, Astartes. We shall speak at length later."
>"Remember. You are ours. Now and forever."

>>45820032
>>45819999
Stop this.

It's been said time and time again that only the Polemarch, the Chaplains/Apothecaries, and the Mystikos know what's going on.

The chapter hardly, if ever, is in the same sector as the Officio. Mostly. I really like this though,
>>45819934

A true Son of Sanguinius.

>>45820190
Mind you these were posted part way through the thread yesterday and not everything was concrete at that time

>>45819897
>>45819967
>>45819999
>>45820024
Thanks for posting anon. This definitely helps us out.
>>45820133
Badass, great stuff anon. Perhaps it van even be worse if Aleksander's body wasn't even that badly maimed and still the Officio forced his bodies Transfer into the dreadnought.
I wonder what pattern of dread though? Likely a Contemptor Pattern.
>>45820190
>A true Son of Sanguinius.
Glad people seem to like the idea.

>>45820273

Added first character, Icarius. Moving on to the rest, keep these coming.

>>45820273
Absolutely a Contemptor. Which is another reason I wrote the Triumvirate the way I did.

Working with the new Autismal fluff the first Artonches where from successful Successors where for these reasons
>>45810471
>>45811631

But they also got a bunch of left over gear. Old stuff. Cataphracii armor, Contemptor and Mortis Dreadnoughts, crusade and Maximus pattern armor. Old shit all around. Yet another reason they look so beat up.

Added the other characters.

We need a name for the xenos.

>>45820341
I'll try myself to write something up. Though I can't promise that'll be high quality.
>>45820415
>But they also got a bunch of left over gear. Old stuff. Cataphracii armor, Contemptor and Mortis Dreadnoughts, crusade and Maximus pattern armor. Old shit all around. Yet another reason they look so beat up.
Yes, a lot of old technology to give them that old school feel and to add to the fact that they have to preserve their battle gear.

>>45820648

Perhaps we can merge the archontes and triumvirate together. Have the three senior archontes advise Aleksander independently of the other archontes. Let's say the commanders of the 1st and 2nd tagmata, and the commander of the death company.

>>45820702
As the guy that's written a lot of the fluff, Triumvirate included, it would just be better to have a council of the Artonches and whatever we call the Chief Librarian, Master Chaplain, Head Apothecary, and Master of the Forge.

>>45820847

Chief Librarian I think was Archereus (High Priest).

Normal Librarian was Hierophant (Revealer of holy mysteries).

Apothecary is fine. Medicus might be better here, but I don't mind.

Master of the Forge is fine as it is.

We need names for the xenos. Since they are robotic watch dogs, then Death Hounds?

>>45820847

No, we should use the Triumvirate in some form. It fits with the Officio's influence.

>>45820889
There was this creature that attacked Alexander the Great's army this one time...Odontotyrannos or something like that.

Might be a good name.

>>45820889
Kyne Thanato for the xenos?

>>45820971
I'm pretty sure that's the name we agreed upon in the previous thread

>>45820961
And incur the wrath of MacedoniAutist?

I'd rather not, he just eats up the post limit. How's about this, a Triumvirate for three Tagmata. Then the Archereus is the head of the Tindanotai.

>>45820889
Archereus was the term for head chaplain...was the Chief Librarian a Demiurge?

Also Medicus does sound better

Perhaps it took so long for the world to receive help because it was forced to send out a distress signal via radio technology. We agreed their technology is roughly 20th century level IIRC.

>>45821032

Your Triumvirate idea went in anyway. Tell me what you think.

>>45820341
>>45820648
Brother Exion, remembered to the chapter for a single deed, was a newly made battle brother just recently earning his shield, who found himself participating in the Zandalos Campaign. A conflict between the planets local PDF and a vile greenskin hoard. The greenskins possessed many an armored vehicle that was matched time and again against those of the Sanguine Shield's. Brother Exion participated in one such battle against an armored caravan of the greenskins where the Shields themselves rode high atop of their rhinos, predators, and jet bikes. True Imperial metal met against green flesh in a clash of blood and burning fuel.
Exion and his squad rode atop their rhino through the battle, striking deep into the heart of the hoard. Eventually Exion's squad came face to face with the hoards Warboss atop his personal looted tank. Though Exion and his brothers fought valiantly, it was all to apparent that they were quickly becoming overwhelmed. Exion knew that he and his brothers would not survive this one-sided battle and in one last desperate bid, tried to engage the Warboss, hoping to cut the head of the beast. Exion took from his brothers every explosive he could find and leaped onto the looted tank with one last warcry.
"Mártyras Mou!"
In a great fiery burst, Exion took the tank in an explosion that slew the Warboss and detonated the explosives around the surrounding vehicles. Exion's squad cheered as they witnessed their brother's sacrifice to slay the breasts head.
Though the battle was considered to be a rather minor one in the Campaign, Exion was credited with removing a powerful foe that day and is remembered, along with many others, in the chapters great memorial chamber, where his silver coated skull lies below a parchment that depicts his single and greatest deed.

There you have it guys. Simple but hopefully a far better writer can go over it and do a few improvements.

>>45821284

Added.

>>45821284
The deeds are etched into their skull, and the skull is often gifted to a squad member.

Are we going to add any humour to the chapter? Something similar to the Blood Raven's stealing relics?

>>45821558
The thinly veiled Warboys is humour enough, I think. Their antics can be the humour but I would err on the side of caution.

>>45821464
Oh wow, never thought my simple writing would ever be included with a chapters creation. Thanks anon.
>>45821541
Should we create a ritual for this? With oaths and prayers and such?

Alright, I'm back, took a nap.

Glad to see the wiki page has been updated more. We're on 300+ posts so we should start a new thread. I'll get to working on the final color schemes for the Officer and Non-Officer models in the painter.

>>45821946
Possibly. I feel the silvering and presentation to the battle brother would be the most important aspect of creating the charm.

A sun Totem could be forged from the broken ceramite of the power armour.

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Alright, I've made three color schemes. One for the Non-Officers, and Two for the Officers, only difference is the trim on the purple arm, not sure which color is better.

Non-Officer.

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>>45822412
Officer 1

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>>45822449
Officer 2

I prefer this one, over the first one.

>>45822480

The stripe on the head is meh.

>>45822412
Let's just use the silver trim for anything above a Sergeant. And drop the purple stripe, those things are a fucking bastard to paint

>>45822480
>>45822412
>>45822449
I wouldn’t have the stripe as well.

But we are acknowledging that the entire face of the helmet is red, yes?

>>45822500
>>45822506
Got it, made a third version without the stripe, editing the others to lose them as well.

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>>45822553
Forgot the pic.
Officer 3

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>>45822582
Officer 2 edited.

>>45822412
Looks good OOP, I agree with you on >>45822480 this one defiantly looks better.
>>45822500
>>45822506
It can represent a plume for one of those Greek-styled helmets.
>>45822582
The silver can represent another level of rank.

>>45822582

One silver arm in recognition of Maximus the Furious, whose right arm was all that remained.

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>>45822607
Officer 1 edited.