>>45557612
To guide discussion.

>What are some noble houses in Hua Yuan?

>What is the Adeptus Arbites presence like in Hua Yuan?

>What is the Adeptus Sororitas presence like in Hua Yuan?

>How does the upper hive effect the local Regiments?

>What's the Guilder presence like in Hua Yuan?

>What is the economy like Hua Yuan?

>Who are the important figures and leadership of the Upper Hive?

>What are some notable noble actions in the hive?

>What is the history of the upper spires?

>How does the underworld and the upper crust interact?

>>45557612
Questions to get the shit kicking

>what are the conditions like on the upper levels?

>what are some notable families/houses/associations? What are their relations to the Imperium at large?

>what are their opinions of the other citizens? How do they interact?

>how much control and influence do they have? How affluent are they?

>What is their culture like? What customs and rituals? Their values and beliefs?

>>45557785
The praetorians have very little presence. The noble house's private security companies work like black water, where they work for the government

>>45557785
>>45557744
I thought this thread was supposed to be on crime?

Whatever I can wait.

So how many noble houses are there?

I would assume there would be a Navis Nobilis, considering that it was descended from a mining ship.

Link to the wiki and last thread?

>>45558041
In the first thread, it was said that the nobles were the descendants of the ships captain and crew, so there's probably a decent amount

>>45558087
>>45523520

>>45558087
Link to the wiki is in the OP.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_Exterminators
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan

Here's the old thread.
>>45523520

>>45557612
Just a general note, and something that should be added to the OP, please read the previous threads. We don't want to create more contradictory fluff.

>>45558181
Maybe just the wiki. The discussion is easy enough to catch up on by reading

>>45557785

Your general upper class house is a THREE room apartment with FOUR WINDOWS!!

Also synthetic leather upholstery and a personal servitor.

>>45558308

Not to mention wall to wall shag rug carpeting.

>>45558350
And a vacuum or two

>>45558377

The personal Servitor has a Vacuum mechandrite.

And this is just for the upper class families. Actual Noblilty get the All American Two story "House" a white picket fence and a "Lawn"

>>45558410
I dunno, even considering the planet, two stories isn't a whole lot. 3 maybe?

>>45557744
Does the noble houses have to be oriental?

>>45558492
Some probably super dig the common flavor, others probably want to be as imperial as possible

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>>45557744
>>Who are the important figures and leadership of the Upper Hive?

I can expand a bit on that one. Feel free to redo/edit/ignore my stuff if it doesn't suit the planet

One of the many important figures to have lived in the upper hive was the Administratium sage Lasa Hogt. He wasn't a native to the planet. He came to the planet to oversee and keep records in one of the many minor manufactorums that produced everything from sporks to lasgun parts.

But at the time Lasa arrived there where a great deal of problems in many of the factories. The workers where upset that the nobes running the place had "misplaced" the money ment for their saleries.

So in order to not get fired, or worse executed on his first day Lasa got to work. And some people said he spent up to 2 weeks inside his office trying to find things to cut in order to please the workers. Becuase he knew that if the couldn't begin producing goods soon then they would miss the tithe. But after a long time he finnaly solved the crisis and the hive returned to normal withing a few days. Lasa didn't recive a reward for his work, but his work did became known a century after his death when a young noble studing administrative work found his notes and records. Those recoreds have been set as a norm for many of the factires that the noble houses own in order to cut down cost and maximise efficency.

It's not much, and mostly imrovised but what do you all think?

>>45558462
Two and a half, Stylish balcony overlook to the rest of the hive. Its a ball park around that really.


This is in direct contrast to the middle hive which habitation blocks are just massive Pod Hotels.

Lower hive, well if you can find a safe place to sleep, its probably in a shared Pod for a family, or a series of hammocks strung said pods.

>>45558492
>>45558504
Personal preference, but they're generally in an upscale Imperial style.

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>>45558529

Pic of the housing of the lowly masses.

>>45558492
>>45558492
Absolutely not. In fact some would try and be as close to the Imperial ideal as possible, "LOOK HOW NORMAL WE ARE."

>>45558504
This is probably also very true, and could be a big point of contention between noble houses.

>>45558587
>>45558529
Guys I think we can give them castle sized digs. That being said that's not very impressive compared to the keeps of Lords on less crowded worlds, which would be the size of cities at the very least.

>>45558677

So we're thinking Celebrity mansions instead? That's do able. Technically that's a hell of a lot smaller than some other planetary nobles in the Imperium?

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>>45558587
I always figured the upper end of the middle class lived in something like this

What about pets? Are they common, rare, big, small, etc?

>>45558724
Single room apartments for a single family would be a fairly big step up from The Pods.

Probably the homes of people in "Management" positions.

>>45558725
There might be dog pits and rat breeders, and some animal husbandry, but pets are probably rare

>>45558815
and I guess they might be imported aswell?

>>45558587

A view from the inside out. I'd imagine that personal belongings would held in a communal locker room. Public resterooms and showers too.


>>45558725
Lower hive? there might be a kennel for pets/emergency food. Upper hive, nobility? Shit you have money you can keep what ever you can afford and fit in your house.

>>45558725
I'll say lower levels pretty common but they take care of themselves rather than the owner being able to feed them. Although that wouldn't be a pet per se. Mostly animal that tolerates/likes your presence and won't murder you unless starving.

Number of pets start dropping fast until you reach upper classes and nobility.

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>>45558832
God damn it forgot the pic.

>>45558836
I imagine the nobility would keep things like horses and eagles to show off that they can afford to keep such beasts. That being said, with the Skaven Under-Kingdom tier rat infestation the Eagles have become like pigeons.

The funny thing is that a lot of these rats have been bred by the Pale Lotus Sect to spread disease.

And the Eagles are meant to represent loyalty to the Emperor.

It's poetry.

>>45558587
>>45558724
>>45558832
>>45558849
Just an average life of a citizen of Hua Yuan.

>>45558947
Poor guys, we made them this way

>>45559005
dunno those pods look cozy in a claustrophobic kinda way.

>>45558947
Let's focus on the Above Average life. For now.

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++++DATALOG FROM INQUISITORIAL ACOLYTE PROMPTUS FRIX++++

+++LOCATION: HUA YUAN+++

++[/SUB-LOCATION: MIDDLE HIVE\]++

+[/THE LOTUS TREE\]+

This is acolyte Frix, I lost track of the target in the busy streets of an area in the middle hive known as the Lotus Tree. I will try my best to find him, but if he reaches the elevators then he is as good as gone. But my best guess would be that he goes down into the lower parts of this hive. If I do not make it back then procede with caution. Ave Imperiator, Frix out

-+- END OF DATALOG -+-

I felt like we needed some more areas to the hive, so feel free to flesh the "Lotus Tree"

>>45559070
Well, I think it needs a better name

>>45559064
Alrighty then.

>>45557785
We know that Hua Yuan is was/is a mining place. Planetary mining, Gas mining, The manufacture of those goods into products. So the Dynasties that control those industries Would naturally be among the movers and shakers of the upper class. In addition to that, we have descendants of the Navy who've got their hands in a lot of the pots.

So if we further break it down by industry and which family controls which, we can bang out the "High Society."

>>45559070
>>45559110
The rust lotus?

>>45559005
Ow come on.

These places are actually cozy and multi-purpose.

>>45559064
I'd say the people on the upper hive don't have small compartments.

I say that the average upper hiver that has enough dosh and a good enough position has a normal single-family house.

The nobles on the other hand have something akin to estates (as much as they are allowed for a cramped Hive World that is Hua Yuan) and shit.

>>45559146
Okay, the Olavis' own the means of food production for 76% of the Hive, and Marcus Olavis is their current patriarch. I'll fluff them in a bit once I do some shit

>>45559153
Maybe we can make it more asian-ish sounding?

>>45559229
If HKanon was here, we could translate it

>>45559229

Tower 108. This elevator tower (Runs multiple elevators at once.) goes from the middle of the upper hive to the exact bottom of the old mining vessel.

>>45559146
Necromunda's a good reference here again, if I recall correctly the gangs are the scum from the manufacturing houses. The only one I remember was Cawdor redemptionists being the poorest and involved in recycling and waste manegement, while the Van Saar had exclusive licence from the mechanicum to produce high tech weapons like plasmaguns.

>>45559070
That seems like way too much wasted space in the picture. Also, outside Imperials might use "official designations" like number patterns or whatever

>>45559185
It depends on how ott you want to make it. I like the idea of absolutely cutthroat noble politicing based around trying to take your neighbours land, when the land in question is basically the size of a nice apartment. You could also have rampant overpopulation at the top as well as the bottom, and use something like the House of Saud as a base - yeah, your part of the [Feudal Corp], but you're the 4th cousin of the 2nd brother of the ruling family's disliked uncle. You get the name, a small stipend and a couple of chambers in the nicer bit of the hive where it only vaguely smells like recycled armpit, but one day that two storey hab with its own washing facilities you don't have to share will be yours. ONE DAY!

>>45559290
I like the way you think anon.

I know this is a bit off topic, but i feel one of the things that could be manufactured here, either officially, or smashed together by amateurs would be a lasgun equivalent to the Autopistol. A sort of las-uzi

>>45559402
So something like a cheap knock-off of the Hot-Shot Laspistol?

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>>45559446
>>45559402
Looks something like this

>>45559446

Well as i understand it, all lasweapons are semi automatic and that automatic fire would destroy their barrels too fast. Even hotshot lasguns.

The only las weapon that's fully automatic is the multi-laser that has multiple barrels.

So This Las-uzi would have two/three barrels that alternate shots so it doesn't melt from the sheer rate of fire you put out.

(This is just looking at Darkhersy/only war statblocks. so i could be wrong.)

>>45559503

That said, that does look like an excellet representation of the standard issue Lascarbine the Exterminators get.

>>45559503
Hmmmm. Sexy. I want that gun...and the whole suit.

>>45559534
Actually that's a nice construction.

Sort of a pistol Multilaser.

>>45559534
>>45559564
How about we stat it for Dark heresy and go from there how it might work mechanicly?

>>45559594
Shit thats easy.

Las-Uzi Pistol 30m S/–/6 1d10+2 E Pen0 Mag30 Rld:Full — 1.5kg Average

>>45559594
Wish I had the rule book

>>45559637

Lasgun Variable setting rules:

All lasguns have a variable power setting.
Regular As per stat block
Overcharge +1 dmg, Double ammo consumed per shot.
Overload +2 damage +2 Penetration, Quadruple ammo consumed per shot.

>>45559692
Overcharge: Looses Reliable trait, gains Unreliable trait.

Wouldn't it be awesome of we made a preset for a dark heresy game set in Hua Yuan?

>>45559729

Working towards it anon. Working towards it. The goal is to make it viable for all of the systems.

>>45559748
Which minis would work best for me them, btw?

>>45559806
Best for them, not me

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>>45559806
pic related with a bit of converstions and green stuff

>>45559806

I have never played in meat space so i dunno.

>>45559402
Most basic tech stuff hiveworlds produce is made under license from the Adeptus Mechanicus, on the basis that when you need 3 million laspacks for the warfront yesterday you can offload the work order onto the laity while the ordained techpriests either bless the work and provide high level supervision/quality control or else are busy with high-tech mystery cult builds like grav plates or power armour. Techpriests don't need to make lightbulbs (or whatever), even on forgeworlds that civilian work.

>>45559677
https://mega.nz/#F!Pl0UgbJa!vDtTXMKnvZ26fUbuw4X9tg

There's a couple of weapons that are the result of tech guilds screwing up innovative ideas and then salvaging the result, like the "Clovis Mark IV Plasma Gun" in RT: Into The Storm (p. 114). They're known for making crap guns, but they got hold of "recently sanctified designs" for a plasma gun and had a go at replicating Dark Age science. They failed the main goal of producing a more powerful plasma gun, but did manage to create one that sprayed weaker plasma bursts that was still useful .

>>45559829
Shit, they have models

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>>45559829
They're perfect

>>45559637
Ehhh, now that i look at it, Its basically a straight upgrade from the Autopistol.

Should i bump the damage down to 1d10+1? Or drop the reliable that most las weapons have? or both even.

>>45559988
No wait... i'll just lift something from the Variant pattern rules. Even with all that blasting power, it gains the Overheats trait. All that firepower in a tiny little gun leads to nasty meltdowns. and burn scars.

This should work.
Las-Uzi Pistol 30m S/–/6 1d10+2 E Pen0 Mag30 Rld:Full (Reliable, Overheats, Variant lasgun settings) 1.5kg Average

>>45559834
>https://mega.nz/#F!Pl0UgbJa!vDtTXMKnvZ26fUbuw4X9tg
Based anon

>>45559290
This anon has it right

Right, I've derailed us enough with The Las-Uzi enough, lets get back on track.

One anon said he was going to tackle the Food production barons.

Who's got the rest of the Industry leaders? Gas Mining? Mineral Mining? Who Runs the manufacturing buisness?

>>45560374
What about Questius Familia and Navis Nobilis?

>>45560374
Can th you all be a family in charge of [spoiler/]music industry?

>>45560470
What about them?

>>45560374
I imagine managacturing comes in many different forms.
Small one roomed workshops, making items to be sold at a market.
Gang operations making cheap knock off products.
And noble houses looking for a new source of income.
Also becuase this is a hive world there is likely many imports, and maybe even some xeno tech.

One thing I do not think we have talked so much about is the plaentairy govenor(s).

My suggestion is that it is a council of key members of society (maybe even the unoffical leader of the underhive)

>>45560849
Child labor and massive (7 rooms) sweatshop compounds

>>45560931
I dont think there could be any sort of leader of the underhive, official or not, due to the instability of it, such as constant gang warfare, genestealers and chaos cults.
On the othet hand a council of the most prominent houses, headed by the most senior preatorian could work.

Do we have any fluff about the people living outside of the hive? Like in small complexes?

>>45561018
Maybe small mining hives, left to rot due to the lack of materials flowing out

>>45560483
The music would probably be synth pop hymns and new wave venerations to the Emperor.

That being said the underworld is full of every heretical sound imaginable.

>>45561062
In the first thread, someone said they minorly export music. They said that synth music was a very brief and very esoteric trend in the Imperium, and the isolation of Yuan meant it never went away

>>45561018
Probably bands of renegades and mutants living in small villages made out of whatever junk they can find.
They sneak into or raid the underhive for food and other essentials.

>>45561110
>>45561230

you know it must be true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1NAhlVRaZ4

>>45561230
How the hell would they survive the radiation? And the atmosphere?

There's probably Deathclaw like Nids out in droves.

BUT THE TOPIC IS CLASSY NIGGAS AND RICHFAGS

>>45561305
I was finkin summat along these lines
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fbCf6laP-zY
But i dont think its techno enough
>>45561327
Sorry anon

>>45561327
what abouth the classig niggas and richfags in the underhive Anon?

>>45561327
They're mutants with shitty voidsuits. Think the dredd guys in the desert, but with less air

>>45561370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY

>>45561327
We need to come up with families then. I'm saying the captain's family has fallen from grace, and have a bunch of prestigious items falling into disarray. Bitter about their standing, they turn to the sororitis in an attempt to get back on top

>>45561445
This encapsulates everything we are tyring to make here.
But just becuase:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tXBc0c4sj_I

>>45561327
No world building is bad world building. If DH GM's want to take there players outside the hive they can.

>>45561477
This is the best course action. I don't know about the captian thing, though.

>>45561579
Its probably a bit cliche.
But maybe whoever was in charge of certain parts of the ship, engineering, captain idk have their own noble houses and specialise in something related to what their ancestors did.
Eg. Cheif secuity officers family has the largest and best private army.

>>45561579
Well, it'd be multiple families. I just meant the decendents of the captain as one of the noble families

>>45561653
Cliche? Indeed.

But can be helpful for some DMs when they have to take into account the noble families in their games.

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How does this sound?

>The original families

Descendants of the original colonial leaders and prospector guildmasters, these nobles trace their lineage back to the foundation of Hua-Yuan and control the traditional heavy industries of the world. All claim to be the sole, rightful heirs to governorship of the world, but thanks to millennia of marital alliances, coups, creative forgery and a truly staggering amount of inbreeding such claims are largely speculative. Power-sharing between two or three of the largest and most powerful clans ensures a precarious peace.

> “Starborn”
Descendants of the captain and key crew of the crashed space ship that now forms part of the upper hive superstructure. Although none of the original crew of the vessel could boast of noble blood, their control of the space and resources present on the ship ensured their importance. Among the most important and closely guarded of these resources is the ship’s still functioning reactor. Thanks to strategic intermarriage with native Houses, they now control most of the hive’s power generating capacity.

It is believed that genetic traits common to Voidborn, such as pale skin, red hair and unusual eye colouration, entered into the hive cities genetic makeup via the crew. Hivers who manifest some or all of these traits are sometimes called Starborn. Depending on local superstition this could be seen as an omen of good or bad fortune.

Some among the nobility claim descent from the ship’s Navigation and Astropathic contingent. While this is at least faintly plausible, it seems far more likely that it is a face-saving lie to excuse the appearances of the more grotesquely inbred dynasty members.

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>>45561762
>Imperial Dynasties
With the arrival of the Imperium and the Sisters of the Orders Famulous, a number of new bloodlines have become rising power players on Hua Yuan, much to the chagrin of established households. Arranged marriages between native nobles and offworld guild families, distant planetary nobility and even the bastard children of a few Rogue Trader dynasties have brought with them wealth and resources from the larger Imperium to the planet. These social climbers are often the most willing to work with Imperial forces on Hua-Yuan and are far less likely to follow native religious beliefs. In exchange, these families tend to receive more profitable contracts, judicial decisions falling more often in their favour and their first-born receiving more advantageous placements in Guard regiments. This is the cause of some resentment among the more ancient noble families, particularly when their complaints are dismissed as "mere coincidence".

HKAnon here, sorry for not popping in sooner, I got distracted

>>45558587
This is actually truer to reality than you think.
The housing prices per square feet are actually about as expensive as the high-end housing estates

>>45559264
Rust lotus?
鐵鏽蓮, I think

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>>45561822
Case in point

hey it's temp. I got some hot fresh faggotry. about Nid dust and other regiments. as well going into how the first are looked at by the other exterminators. Should I wait for a new thread on the regiments, or just drop it now?

>>45561062
Try looking for cantopop at around the 80s

Shit's camp as fuck

>>45561926
New thread on regiments.

>>45561822
Glad to see you. Thoughts so far?

>>45561984
Well, if we're talking about stuff in this thread the only thing I pointed out is those pod rooms the other anon posted.

Those were hotels so they can't be too shabby so yes they do look cosy.

The coffin rooms we have?
>>45561900
Those.

I'd reckon the rooms in the lower hive won't be too far off than those. More high-tech perhaps because we're in the far future and because cyberpunk, but it's not going to be comfy in the slightest.

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>>45559929
As a guardsmen I have to warn you scions come in at a price of $35 per 5. that and they are just slightly different in construction from regular guards so any cross kit conversions require tedious filing. however they are very easy to magnetize due to their hollow chest cavity.

>>45561984
it's cool, I like the this>>45561762
idea about 3 families, gives us an excuse to call something "The Triad" and not sound super forced

>>45562105
Yeah, those sound good to me as well.
Old families with huge influence over society (whether citizens know they've been played like a damn fiddle is anybody's guess) maintaining a delicate balance of power between each other while making sure they're still on the Imperium's good side?
Pretty much what I would have expected.

>>45562073
I might just buy one 5er and paint just to have, you know

>>45562261
>>45562105
Plus it means there can be cadet branches (like the 21st tower Cloverus', or something) and smaller families that work for the larger ones

>>45561786
>>45561762
This works very well for categorizing families.

>>45562105
The categories imply more than three families.

I would say we need families for the following.

>Praetorian Planetary Governor
>Lord General
>Guidl
>PDF (Private Defense Force)
>Mining
>Gas farming
>Infrastructure
>Mechanicus Cult
>Navis Nobilis, descendants of the original navigators
>Manufactorums
>Food
>Imperial Knight house that accompanied the Praetorians perhaps.

There's going to be a few families, although having the three categories will help sort them.

>>45562403
>>45562073
Sounds like based chinaman will help make our based chinamen.

>>45562490
Could just be three fuckhuge families with different branches covering the different categories. Like, it started with a bunch of families, but marital ties and murders led to only three large families and some very very minor ones. Maybe

Or we could just make a bunch, it works for me either way

>>45562490
You don't necessarily need to go into that much detail about the families as a whole. I've found it better to invent interesting nobles with their own agendas that you can then use as NPCs in the rpgs or potentially as characters in an IG army. Leave room for people to customise for their own games. The players themselves don't usually care about a thousand year history and a rigerously researched family tree, because they're interacting with Prince Whatshisface, arrogant rake with a plan.

>>45562490
I would dare say there are several families than that.

>>45562650
I would say have five or six major ones, then a dozen or so minor houses. It let's players play minor royalty if they want, and gives GMs room to play around with political intrigue

>>45562490
3 Major alliances of families and corporations perhaps

1st the military families
>Praetorian Planetary Governor
>Lord General
>PDF (Private Defense Force)
>Imperial Knight house that accompanied the Praetorians perhaps.

2nd branch economics
>Mining
>Gas farming
>Infrastructure
>Manufactorums
>Food

3rd Astropaths and greater imperium stuff

>Guidl
>Mechanicus Cult
>Navis Nobilis, descendants of the original navigators
>Sisters /ecclesiarchy?

I'm think this division of power but maybe moving the governor from branch 1 to 3

>>45562490
At least one of those should be investing hard in real estate, or is that already covered in Infrastructure?

Given how space is basically a luxury good there, real estate can be one hell of a money-printing business.

>>45562843
I would say real estate is business everyone is in because it requires no special skill or expertise, maybe that is what the house squabble over

>>45562843
Thats probably why they're a big family. also, imagine how much cash you would rake in if you were the only repairman ona mega city? They're probably the richest

>>45562910
Depends on who gets to own/buy up the land first.
Land can easily end up in the hands on a few big tycoons while the poor lot struggle to pay their rent.

>>45562807
>Guidl
I meant Guilders.

As in the Megacorps.

>>45562987
oh it thought was 40k thing I didn't know about. I guess that would covered by the economic branch

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>>45562807
If its anything like real world royal family histories it won't be anywhere near that clear cut. Marriages traditionally mean pooling resources of two families as children inherit claims on both (or at the very least the TITLES to both), so you can quite easily get to the point where royal families have claims on all the other royal families stuff and lesser nobles that can claim lineage to the greater houses and marriage ties. Factor in what happens when people die without heirs, or attempts to keep land in one branches hands leads to massive inbreeding, or women getting married in their teens, inheriting their husbands lands early before they have children and then living into their 90s - its a nightmare. Constant, cold war conflict over titles, lands, rents, inherited rights to use such and such a resource, taxes and all that erupting into actual bloodshed when one or other side thinks they can take the others and get away with it.

I study the English War of the Roses a fair bit, so that's what I'm most familiar with, but for a more modern example the Saudi royal family has apparently got thousands of princes and princesses, and they all get stipends. Imagine if their children and their children's children all married into other powerful families and then put themselves forward as proper heirs to the throne.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-wiki-saudi-money-idUSTRE71R2SA20110228
http://graphics.wsj.com/saudi-arabia-family-tree/

>>45562843
>>45562910
Think of it less like real estate business and more as feudal land holding. You have rights on this land. The peons under your control give you resources, but in exchange expect protection from your neighbors, good lawkeeping, peace and security.

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Bonus: the everpopular family shrub of Charles II of Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

>>45563193
I'd reckon our families here would have a better grasp in their family tree and records

To this day I still don't know how my parents manage to keep track of all those distants aunts/uncles/cousins/other relatives we barely meet

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>>45563278
Oh no doubt, but grotesquely inbred decadent nobles are so fun to imagine and its a tried-and-true real world way to make sure your stuff stays in the family.

Its also a potential fracture point between Imperial backed nobles who are "diluting their bloodlines" marrying outsiders into their clans and the traditionalist who may or may not have some gibbering monsters in their attics.

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>>45563193

Then we only need to go into the major houses.

>>45562807
Maybe some of these.

I would say that we can organize Royal Houses, and give players and GMs a tool to make their own, by certain criteria.

>Speciality
>Alliance (Out of three or five existing noble pacts)
>Original/Starborn/Imperial
>Dogma (Imperial or Sect)

Maybe some other factors. Basically an outline for us to build the major players that you can't swing a dead ripper withouthitting something they own directly or indirectly, and a tool for folks to build their own houses for campaigns.

>>45563614
What I mean by alliance is that some houses and Guilds may be allied in this game of thrones.

Speciality is whatever they controll, or what makes them famous. It can be as simple as "The Progenitor of our line was the Captain of the vessel on which these spires sit." To "We control the Kaihonium farms." To "We have Imperial Knights. Fuck with us, we dare you."

>>45563495
Well about that...

If we go by Chinese traditions females marrying into a different family takes on the family name of their husbands. Therefore only male offspring are able to keep the family name alive.

It's part of the reason why males are traditionally favoured over females.

Likewise, feuds between females and the families they get married into are pretty classic soap opera scenarios.

>>45563614
alright, which one should we test flesh out

>>45564040
No idea.

Thread seems ded

>>45564509
yeah, kinda sucks. Maybe we're burned out?

>>45564040
>>45564509
>>45564533

desu senpai I just want to work the regiment, nobles are boring to me. It's alway the same shit in 40k

>>45564568
don't have to be. We can make them however we want

>>45564636

泰坦
(google translate for Titan)
Ok The imperial knight house is imperial in loyalty, Used to Praetorian but married in with local nobility over time, their fortunes are tied when the Knights are on planet at the moment and they favor greater Praetorian control of government and resources

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>>45564040
Sorry, I'm out for the night and may or may not be able to contribute much for the next few days at least.

Why not use the framework we've got to make a character in Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader or Only War? Or, I don't know, use something like these as prompts

The Queen of the Great Lost House
The Bilge Prince
The Oxygen Brokers
The Man With Forty Daughters
The Trader's Bastard
The Duellist Addict
The First Techpriest of Hua Yuan
The Volunteer Soldier
The Repairer of Reputations
The Owner of the Largest Gun in the World
The Family Paragon
The Psyker Smuggler
The One Who Was Never Meant To Inherit
The Dutiful Daughter
The Man Who Would Be King

>>45564908
Now that I've seen that,

Sean Connery in space is the Head of the Praetorian occupation force, and he doesn't give a fuck, except when he's with local prostitutes, then he gives many fucks

>>45564981
Considering what the man who would be king is about, I'm not sure that's a fitting message.

>>45565062
Exactly.

>>45565062
I know what sean connery is about though.

I'm still going to suggest Black Whirlwind as a nickname for -someone-

Preferably one of the exterminators

>>45565120
nah, aim higher. He's the lord commander of the exterminator stormtrooper division

>>45564981
>>45564981
I'd be down with that. He'd be a cool Lord General.
We could also use Xavier "Yuanese" Gordon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_George_Gordon
I'd imagine him taking the post on Hua Yuan as a retirement post. Surprisingly laid back and genteel, he's been involved in some of the Praetorians harshest deployments and is a veteran officer of Hua Yuans Shock regiments back when it was being established as an offshoot of the exterminators.

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>>45564981
There you go, instant noble character and even that little bit has knock on effects. Technically he's the Governor, so if he's slacking off then the natives and non-IG Imperial Guard have more say on planetary policy. Where is he getting his fix? Is it a house of ill-repute controlled by a particular family, or is he cruising for rough trade? Are they camp followers for the Praetorians, or do they stay in one place? Can he be blackmailed? Is he already being blackmailed and by whom? Remember, it doesn't have to be the natives, could equally be an Imperial faction. It could even a particularly pragmatic Sister Superior.

It also suggests ill discipline in his forces if their commanding officer can just go off from time to time. Do his officers have a problem with it? Are they looking for a solution, or do they turn a blind eye?

>>45565062
No, but its a start. They're just prompts, they don't necessarily have to be exactly about the thing. Its always in keeping for 40k to nod and wink to that stuff though (like Sly Marbo, for instance.)

>>45565201
That's a good one too. Remember, you don't have to fluff out the people at the very top of the hierarchy every time. Different levels of responsibility are useful and have different meanings for stories. Even Rogue Traders aren't going to be interacting with kings and lord generals every time they land, there's flunkies, intermediaries, adjutants and major domos too.

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>>45564981
>>45565201
How does this work for him

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheung_Po_Tsai
Pirates, could fluff an expy of him as a leader of one of the bigger gangs

>>45565391
I like it, the face is perfect. The uniform could be more british though, he needs look like a high rank Praetorian. I'd imagine their dress uniforms would be quite pompous, but he'd personally eschew much of the gaudier elements.

>>45565668
He was meant to a praetorian officer of the exterminator stormtroopers, but fuck it

>>45565354
A bit of fluff at the top sets the tone for how the place is run.

The Governor is sitting on a dense pile of chaos, some sectors of the underhive are constant warzones while others are under the constant threat of insurrection or totally lawless. Putting a retired genteel officer at the top gives the sense that the government isn't neglecting these areas or panicking about the situation, it's simply quite relaxed about how it controls the city. It's more inclined to let these issues resolve themselves, it culls the more troublesome groups and prunes back potentially larger threats, but Xavier "Yuanese" Gordon is accustomed to hellholes, he's seen far worse and is content with things as they are.

>>45565939
>Yuanese
Doesn't quite roll off the tongue, shame really.

>>45565939
I think this is good enough for the WIki page.

y/n?

>>45566010
>Doesn't quite roll off the tounge
Yuanic? Yuanish? Yuanan? Yuanian?

>>45566138
Yuanish clicks with me for some reason

Although I'm tempted to find something punny instead

>>45566259
If you can at least share

>>45566717
Not -quite- a pun but I've thought of 園工 (Yuangong)
Workers of the garden

Another pun would be 花王 (Huawang}
The characters mean Flower King, but it's slang for gardener

I'd imagine Hua Yuan would be mispronounced by the wider imperium. Given they spent a few (?)millenia out of touch with the imperium they'd probably have their own dialect of low gothic as well. Faster, louder and mixed with a lot of broken naval jargon. The people refer to themselves as Hua Yuanese, outsiders would butcher it as Hayongese or Ho yinese.

>>45566910
A mixture of gothic and their own native language, obviously.

>>45566969
They started out as an imperial mining ship that crashed, their base language is low gothic. Over time their text has changed to pseudo chinese, but it's roots are in low gothic so it wouldn't be completely foreign to other low gothic speakers.

What's the gang presence like in the upper levels? I like to imagine failures or insignificant members of families are sent down to run some gang operation

>>45567086
Yeah that makes sense

>>45566849
Xavier "Huawang" Gordon it is. An affectionate title and derogatory term all in one.

>>45567101
Maybe they've cleaned up their appearance to fit in, and with a bit of green-exchanging the upper hive people decided to collectively ignore the fact that they're gangs.

To put it simply, they're still thugs on the inside, just covering it up with suits and champange.

>>45567195
>To put it simply, they're still thugs on the inside, just covering it up with suits and champange.
This will always and forever be my favorite archetype

>>45567101
Noble houses might as well be gangs. Here's how I see it:
When the nobles need protection and muscle to tell people what to do, they take a veteran gang and "uplift" it into a pmc, slapping some fancy equipment on them and getting a nice army contract to uphold the law

>>45567144
Is he loved or hated by the populas at large?

>>45568470
It's a mixed bag.
The Praetorians are considered by many of upper noble houses to be an insult to their heritage, they see themselves as the rightful governors of Hua Yuan and abhor anyone meddling with their affairs. They consider him to be the source of much of this imperial interference, they deride him as an outsider and an upstart in a station above his birthright. A mere garden hand on the throne.
The lower houses approve of his work, they see the Praetorians as keeping the ambitions of the upper houses in check and appreciate his hands off approach to much of the hive. They consider the current state of things to be a small golden age, he's the king of the city while it's in bloom.
The middle hive will have a myriad of opinions depending on their affiliations. He has endeared himself to some of the commoners by adopting some of their customs, others see this as propoganda. Pro imperial citizens welcome his rule as a reforming influence on the city, while traditionalists are appalled at the way their culture is becoming a cheap marketing tool their way of life being prostituted to benefit the administration. The underhive either don't care, aren't aware of the happening of the upper hive or simply hate him as an authority figure.

>>45569157
I figured they would be miffed at the Imperium since they "abandoned" the first colonist, but the more I thought about it, its been a long ass time since then, and probably only some noble and military scribes even know that they were Imperium colonists at all, let alone the events with the tyranids

>>45569282
That sounds about right. It's probably a bit more known than that, those few that do get an education know it as a minor fact in their history. Given the time that's passed there's probably a disconnect between the imperium then and the imperium today, as well as the usual imperial propaganda justifying why it wasn't like that back then and why they're your best friends today who totally deserve your tax money and loyalty.

>>45565185
>>45565120
This works.

He's more Scottish than Stuffy English and has a claymore made from a warrior claw.

Remember, the Stormtrooper commanders are Praetorians that think that the Hua Yuanese do it better. The look like SAS operatives

>>45565391
Did you ever redraw Hong with all the stuff?

>>45569402
So, Lord Commander Dravot "Blackwind", Ex-Drookian Fenguard officer who transferred over to the Praetorians?

It'd be cool to throw Carnehan in as one of his preferred captains as well.

>>45569428
Nawh, I had a busy day. I'll work on it a bit now and hopefully I'll have him done (again) by tomorrow afternoon.

Sorry, but it usually takes a while for me to draw. Like, 2 hours, and it still looks worse than some other people's sketches in a couple of minutes

>>45569402
can he have a chain claymore, that would be dope as hell senpai

>>45569574
Ur a better draw fag than you are writefag desu

>>45569712
I haven't writefag'd anything

I've got some finished faggotry, on Exterminators and as well going into how the first are looked at by the other exterminators.

It's off topic for the current thread but if anyone wants to help critique/edit it. go ahead post a throwaway email and I'll send it to you.

>>45569837
Dude, just post it, its kinda ded righ now. Unless its fuckhuge

>>45569882
its 3-4 posts so semi big

>>45569935
eeeeeh, I dunno. I'd say go for it, but I don't know what the other niggas here would think. To be fair, we're pretty far away from the bump limit.

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>Ranks are a mix of standard military and home kong gang stuff I grabbed from Sleeping Dogs. i.e.Red Poles are Segreants.

>Lieutenants are Leftenants to show the Praetorian influence. I know you are supposed to spell it lieutenant and say Leftenant, but let's over 40,000 years the Praetorian spelling changed to match.


Journal of Recruit Pvt. Trang, 132rd Exterminators (confiscated and destroyed)

Foreign hives are a special hell, but they are our hell. We like killing wannabe gangers in our backyards. Try ambushing a xenos hive mind in unfamiliar terrain. Damn near impossible. Just avoiding ambush is hard enough. But we have an edge, “Guant Stalkers”. The medics are making some drug with something they brought from home and 'Nid bits. They give it to some quiet veterans in each squad who seem familiar with it. The guys left for a bit a rejoined their squads in an angry trance.

When Corporal Zhang returned to our squad, the Red Pole squad leader put him in point, and wordless he sprinted ahead calling out location “Six little gun bugs and a Psyker bug below us approaching.” We secured breaching charges to the ground and waited. Zhang called, “40 meters, 25, 10, now.”

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As our Red Pole blew the charges we threw in Blinkers, Zhang jumped in with the Blinkers, screaming with his mono knife in one hand and a las carbine in the other. We switched on our filters and jumped into the dust of the Blinkers and poured las fire into the 'thrope, we saw Zhang in our periphery swinging and screaming among the termagants. After it took a lot of fire the 'thrope regained its bearings and threw witch fyre at us and two of our squad went down bleeding from their eyes and nose. After more and more las fire finally boiled the beast alive the smaller bugs lost cohesion and as we turned to finish them as Zhang was grappling with one on the ground. We wasted them as they were still disoriented by the smoke and the loss of their leader. As the dust settled we saw Zhang, minus several of his fingers and pint of blood, holding a ripped off xeno's arm, and slamming it into his foes head as his knife was stuck in the xeno's gut.


Our Red Pole shouted to him, “anymore bugs nearby?” Zhang tore his gaze from the xeno, looked back at us with glazed eyes and murmured, “nothing left on this level, the bugs are pulling back to the under hive, we go there next.” Our medic then hit him with a sedative, and we brought him back to our impromptu fire base on a stretcher.

As we walked to firebase, our Red Pole looked at me and said, “A rookie survived, looks like our Leftenant will have some explaining to do,” the rest of the men found this hilarious.

Sure enough as soon as the rest of the platoon came back from 'Nid hunting, everyone with under the rank of Lance Corporal was called to a “special training session” with the Platoon Red Pole and our Leftenant.

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We were lead to a small room in the abandoned hive hotel we were using as a firebase, and our Platoon Red Pole locked the door. The Leftenant stood before us and began, “Congratulation on your promotions gentleman, you ten are now lance corporals and receive rights as Exterminators, including the right to take trophies from our enemies in your next battle.” We shivered with a nervous pride, Exterminators needed to fight bugs to considered real members “any fool can blast a ganger coughing smoke” we all heard a thousand times on Hua Yuan. We, despite the fact half of us rookies would die before this campaign was finished, flushed with invincible pride.

“But,” continued the Leftenant, “Those rights come with hefty responsibilities, you will now be privy to the secrets of the Exterminators, and how it is we manage to survive as we fight Tyranids. By being here you agree to keep those secrets” We would've agreed to arm wrestle with Orkz we were so intoxicated with pride. “We use a secret stimm made from termagant nervous tissue. The knowledge of it's existence is near enough to get a man killed for heresy. We mix diluted powdered 'guant brain with another compound found only on our home hive made from some mushrooms with very 'Nid very like DNA. If ingested the user can see 'Nids through walls but all color drains his vision and he has an overwhelming desire to kill bugs with his bare hands. It takes a disciplined user to communicate to his team while under its effects, and before you volunteer, the side effects are immense and debilitating.”

“You won't being doing it in combat unless you volunteer and train with it in a controlled enviroment. It's useless if you lose control and can't talk to your team.”
He elaborated, “Trying the diluted 'Nid juice alone can be done, but the user only experiences the rage against 'Nids and vision loss none of 'Nid sight. Only ever take that if you are dead anyway.”

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I felt bold, and asked, “If it is so risky and near heresy why do we do it Sir?”
“Well,” said the Leftenant, “You saw first today that it works and we have plenty of volunteers, but for a more historical approach I will let your Platoon Red Pole take over.”


Our eyes turned to the Platoon Red Pole, a very large imposing man for a hive fighting unit, he was a legend, he had been a member of the First before being transferred to us. He rarely spoke but carried a powerfist and wore what appeared to be carnifex fore claw carapace on his forearms and shins implying at least two major kills. He was sent to us after turning down a slot in the stormtroopers.

The Red Pole began in monotone as if it were prepared speech, “Almost one hundred years ago before the First were the famed regiment they were to today, they prepared for their first mission, a raid on a violent new gang, in the lower hive of Hua Yuan and mysterious offworlder man came to their barracks. Some say it was Ollianus Pius himself come to aid his new brothers in the Guard, other say it was a missionary prophet blessed with a vision of the future, and the less religious minded say it was an Inquisitor who simply wanted to use us for an experiment. Nevertheless that man gave the founder's of the First the first doses of 'Nid Dust, and told us about the Hive's mushrooms. While he did not reveal its effects. He admonished us to keep it a secret at all costs and that its use could save the Hua Yuan and the Imperium.”

The next day several of our men inhaled it before assaulting the Ganger headquarters, and revealed an insidious trap, the headquarters was full of children, every single one a late generation genestealer breed. Had we entered with intent to save the kids we would have been massacred, had the first 'Guant Stalkers not seen through their deception proceeded to rip through them in a rage. The Exterminators would have been destroyed to man on their first mission.

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After that we agreed to keep use using the Dust and keep it secret on pain of death. Anyone who reveals this is killed, along with their entire bloodline.”

>>45570130
>>45570116
>>45570092
>>45570045
>>45570027
readin', be a sec

>>45570252
take your time senpai

>>45570297
I'm giving my shitty attempt to edit this a little. We'll see if my changes are any good.

>>45569595
>chain claymore
Oh God yes

>>45570130
>>45570116
>>45570092
>>45570045
>>45570027
Alright my man, tell me what you think of this

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZVEJ8rPIOtGgcMqf1mcSkbFIL156aslTfPfEoBDK_gA/edit?usp=sharing

>>45569595
So an Eviscerator?

>>45569526
I like it!

>>45563614
>House Ranulph
>Imperial: Knight House
>Support for the Hua Yuanese military complex/Siege Warfare
>Alliance: Praetorian Governship
What I rolled for these guys
>Crusade
>Age of Redemption
>Other (Guard?)
>Elective
>Cognatic
>Rigid
>Brothers in Battle
>The Big Guns Never Tire
>A Baron, The hero led a glorious campaign against a rebel army, defeating the foe and bringing an entire sector back into the light of the Emperor
>Tiny
>Uninhabited
>Airless
>Distant
>Strict
>Siege
>Knight Crusader
>Knight Lancer
>Code of Chivalry
>Few But Proud
>Imperial Guard (Praetorians)
>The Tyranids

Sounds like these guys are a lot like the Hua Yuanese, but maybe they didn't win against the Devourer.

I might flesh these guys out later if no one else does.

>>45571517
It's good, could be better though. Grammar aside, it feels heavy handed in the explanation of nid dust, the bits before that feel fine though. Not a writefag so not sure how it'd be fixed.

>>45571954
We also need to decide what Nid Dust actually is.

But we can do that next thread. Go make a noble house, or the alliances

>>45572068
the last thread got the dust pretty much down like 85%

The political alliances in Hua Yuan

>Praetorian Governship
While not necessarily concerned with actually governing the moon, the Praetorians and their lackeys are focused on maintaining ownership and economic development in the Hive. Exploiting the Hive and it's moon to meet tithes, this group is willing to bend to corruption to meet their ends.

>Imperial Representatives
From Inquisitors fascinated with the particular brand of heresy found in the gargantuan hive, to the Sisters hellbent on maintaining the Faith, to the Arbites nominally enforcing the law the Imperium presence in Hua Yuan bows to none but Holy Terra. Sent by their various offices to keep an eye on the powder keg of corruption and heresy, these tightly knit nobles are largely seen as outsiders in their quest to enforce the Imperial standard.

>Heretics
This alliance is bound in secrecy and conspiracy. Be it worshiping the Ruinous Powers, plotting independence, joining the the Tau Empire, or even seeing the return of the Hive Fleet, these nobles seek to undermine the other houses or take the Hive completely. Bound in shadow by their drive to see the Imperium driven out of their moon, the are as divided against themselves as they are in secret against the loyalists. The are only bound together by a single charismatic figure that plans to see all their goals fulfilled, and their supremacy dawn on Hua Yuan.

>Guild Lords
Money. Notionally loyal to the Emperor, these Rouge Traders, Guilders, and Barons are singularly obsessed with amassing their fortunes through any means possible. While the Praetorians may have their name on the moon, it is this band of nobles that is focused on exportation and importation, and the economics therein. While not as heretical as some noble houses truly are, they are certainly not above dipping their hands into the black market.

>The Hua Yuanese

>>45572068
>The Hua Yuanese
These nobles do not care for their Praetorian masters, or the constant intrusion of the Imperium, or the mad calculations of the Guilders and Manufactorum Barons. The noble houses simply wish to be left alone. They see themselves as the true lords of the Hive and will do anything to see their rule comes first and foremost on the world. While they do make great lengths to provide for their people, they are by no means wholly altruistic, often making power plays to amase greater influence and power.

>>45572437
Noble House Dogma

>Imperial Faith
>Mechanicus Cult
>Hua Yuanese Sect
>Ancestor Worship
>Emperor Above All
>Purity of Man
>Death Cult

>>45572370

>The Hua Yuanese
connected to a loose confederation of underhive gangers for their muscle, rumored to be little more crime families with enough resources to "go legit"

>>45572476
>>45572437
>>45572370
>>45561762
>>45561786

Using these one can begin to make a noble house.

So from what one can see, there is a lot on the hive itself, but what of the guardsmen?

Are they sufficiently fleshed out or do they need more stuff?

>>45573420
This thread was started for the opposite reason.This is thread 7. 5 threads are on the guardsmen alone, previous was part arbites of Hua Yuan, half more guardsmen facts.

>>45572476
Given the time they've spent apart from the empire, the imperial faith would be relatively weak in Hua Yuan. It's the faith that everyone claims to have but few adhere to.

Many cling to the Hua Yuanese versions of imperial faith,some venerate the emperor as an ancestor, or a spirit on the original vessel who was guiding the original ship to land on the planet, but those of weak faith allowed it to crash instead.

Other sects take the emperor to be an ideal, a thing to embody in daily life. To worship the emperor is to worship oneself and live a life of self improvement, when talking of THE emperor they take him to be a being that self actualised and ascended to be the ideal emperor.

These two make up the rough majority, but there are numerous variations on these populating the minds of the Pro imperial population. It's rumoured some take the emperor to be a woman and others see him as a dual being who divided into the Emperor and Horus.

The Ecclesiarchy is pissed about this. While many attend their church, what the cult teaches and what the masses learn are two widely different things. They've inadvertently started as many heresies as they've snuffed out due to this misunderstanding.

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>>45573420
if you want to read up on the guardsmen
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Hua_Yuan_Exterminators

>>45574309
We should do sections for the Stormtroopers and the Orchid Iron Hands Female Regiments (I did not come up with the name for the latter, but I'd like to praise the anon who came up with it, also Ferrus Manus approves).

>>45574334

I liked the idea of the first female regiments being the product of a broken up major sex trade ring, that was drafted to avoid them taking vengeance and rioting in the hive. And maybe to cover up some nobles house involvement in said sex trade.

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>>45574384
Agreed here too. They are too cool to not write about.

>>45574334
>>45574384

Only war stat guy here, That was me. The name wasn't me though. Still holding out for Razorgirls to be a colloquial name for them.

Does this regiment have any tanks like chimeras, Russes, Hydras etc? I feel like they should have a storage facility somewhere for them if they own any

>>45574440
they have chimeras. nothing heavier than that

>>45574433
We could do it that officially they are called Orchid Iron Hands, but the Yuan Guardsmen (as well as some non-Yuan Guardsmen) call them Razorgirls.

How about that?

>>45574440
Well, their Scout Division has a lot of Centaurs, Sentinels and Salamanders.

How many times a year do you think the govenor goes on "business trips" off world in order to get away from this planet?

>>45574468
Current fluff,
He is a Sean Connery Expy, Who is a Praetorian war Vet, and thinks the current chaotic state in the hive is peaceful because he's only really been on planets at war for most of his career. He also has a penchant for the local "ladies of the evening"

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>>45574501

Should the Exterminators use motorcycles or bokes in order to speed through the narrow streets of Hua Yuan

>>45574529
>bikes*

>>45574440
They have Siege regiments, so yes.

>>45574423
>>45574384
I'm working on writefagging for them

>>45573674
This are simply options one can use to build a house.

>>45574529
I'd recommend bikes in their armoured regiment, there was a bit about that in the previous thread. Very limited use in Hua Yuan though, it's cramped by hive city standards, they'd stopping at every turn to walk it round and unusable in crowds.

>>45574640
I think they should a name that disguises that will be headed to the frontline so it doesn't sound like Hua Yuan is sending its women to fight for them.
The first all female unit could be called "the First Forward Impact Logistics Regiment" to disguise the fact they will be dying in droves

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>>45574440
There's bound to be some of that stuff given the sheer numbers of troops. There's going to be a number of enterprising officers with enterprising mindsets who "acquired" some as trophies when they liberated an Imperial world and then "forgot" to return them. An Administratum cockup might have led to a couple of hundred tanks intended for an armoured regiment on the other side of the Imperium being delivered to them instead of all the good, standard issue lasguns they actually needed, forcing a change to standard tactics. Heck, the Munitorum might have dumped the armour on them for a campaign as per standard guidelines for infantry/armour army dispositions and told them to learn how to use it or else. Hell, a particularly rich noble might be an Imperiaboo and has spent their entire inheritance buying nothing but heavy vehicles, volunteering themselves, their friends and their servants as an armoured company (experience be damned, if these offworld proles can do it it can't be that hard!)

Ultimately, there's going to be "classic" doctrines and equipment that reflect the expertise and interests of the bulk of the planet's armies, but if you actually painted up an army of the things in the real world nobody is going to throw a hissy fit if you can justify your tanks or rough riders or whatever sufficiently well.

>>45574826
If you are crazy enough to paint these beautiful fuckers. you can field all baneblades and I'll be impressed

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>>45574688
You say that like the Imperium gives much of a damn about hiver lives at the best of times. Hives aren't expected to make elite troops, they're factories for warm bodies and weapons for them to hold. Looked at galactically, Hivers dying like animals can even be quite helpful as a way to solve the permanent population crises on the homeworld. More frequent Guard tithes to high risk warzones ultimately means fewer food shipments from Agri worlds, which means their tithes can be redirected to other planets, which is projected to give a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000003% increase in efficiency in goal delivery across the subsector over a thousand year period! Somebody's getting a gold star in their permanent record for that!

The Imperium doesn't think like us. It is "It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable." If a penal brigade is all women, they're still getting the bomb collars regardless. Only in death does duty end!

>>45574826
>>45574848
>Colonel Hong, we received suddenly a supply of Leman Russes and other heavy vehicles. What should we do with them?
>Emperor's damnation, those bloody fools in the Administratum...find someone who can teach our men how to use them. Then form a regiment out of them. Better put them to good use instead...

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>>45575008
More or less, but with members of the Commisariat making very pointed remarks about what happes to those who question the wisdom and beneficence of Emperor's Munitorum as well.

Pic related, but Imperial commissars are more likely offworlders too. Might be a few local boys and girls here and there, I can't remember if children get moved to scholams from different planets.

>>45574826
>>45575008

By only war rules, you can add a Chimera to the Standard kit of the Orchid Iron Hands Female Regiment, for the price of a regimental drawback.

Though you're probably thinking that we'd need a Proper Armored unit with Russes...

Gimme a few moments i'll bang out some Only war stats for you.

>>45575075

We've got a few choices for vehicle regiments. I'm going to assume that Mechanized infantry is already a thing on Hua Yuan.

So your choices are
Armored regiment (every squad gets a Russ)
Hunter-Killer (every squad gets a Hellhound or a Sentinel walker)
Artillery regiment (Every squad gets a Basilisk)
Heavy reconassance Regiment (A Sentinel walker PER character.)
Mechanised Reconnaissance Regiment (One salamander per squad.)
Rapid Reconnaissance Regiment (One Taruos assault vehicle per character)
Assault Reconassance Regiment {homebrew} (One Combat bike per player character)
Salvage and Recovery Regiment (Atlas recovery tank)
Super-Heavy Armoured Regiment (BAAAAANEBHLADDEEEEE!!)

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>>45575178
hunter killer seems more their speed, but Russes are alway fun to have around for OW

>>45575178
>Assault Reconassance Regiment {homebrew} (One Combat bike per player character)
Fuck, man. Not the razorgirlfag, but there is no reason not to have an Akira regiment

>>45575008
>洪上校,事頭比咗我地一堆黎曼魯斯同埋其他大牛車喎,點處置好啊?
>仆佢個街,班高官係咪唔識用腦?唉算數,搵條識揸大牛車既黎教下班𡃁仔,整番隊新部隊好過…起馬唔使擺響度吸塵…

I got bored.
Took some liberties so it's not a direct translation, but the main idea is still there.

>>45575209
Do not worry stat guy IS razorgirl fag. I shall stat them both!

>>45575251
I'll try some fluff while I'm in class

>>45575313
>>45575251

And done
Hua Yuan 17th Hunter Killer regiment (Karma's Executioners)

Hive (3 points)
[Hive traits]

Hunter killer Regiment
Characteristics: +3 balistic Skill, -3 Strength
Starting Skills: Operate (Surface)
Starting Talents: Resistance (Fear)
Standard Kit: One Sentinel Scout Walker or One Hell Hound Support Tank(or variant) per squad.

Anti-Armor Training (4)
Starting Skills: Common Lore (tech)
Starting Talent: Tank Hunter
Special: Due to their specialized training, and Encycloedic knowlege of enemy armor; Anti -armor regiments ad an additional amount of penetration of their weapons equal to their Degrees of sucess on the attack roll when attacking vehicles.

Vanguard Equipment (5) (Modified)
Standard issue kit
One Lascarbine w/ 4 charge packs or 1 combat shotgun w/ 4 reloads (Main weapon)
1 combi-tool per player character
1 Data slate per player character
1 Entrenching tool per player character
6 demolitions charges per squad
1 Siege auspex per squad

Regimental drawback
Honor Bound
Pride over Life: members of this regiment must pass a Difficult (-10) willpower test to refuse any Formal challenge or ignore any other major slight to their honor. If they succeed they see the bigger picture and ignore the challenge or attempts to goad him into action. Failure means the character must engage the person (Either in a formal duel or in a old fashioned slobber knocker) or suffer a -10 penalty to willpower tests for the remainder of the session. This penalty is cumulative if the character refuses multiple challenges.

>>45575251
>>45575313
>>45575209
Ya'll need to chill and focus.

We're drifting away from the main idea again.

The Iron Orchids are a cool divergent Regiment, and they should specialize in clearing Space Hulks and Void Worlds, keeping in their Ellen Ripley and Samus Aran inspirations.

Weve agreed in the past that Hua Yuanese Regiments focus on their particular brand of urban operations, what I would call "Hive Cracking" basically Siege Warfare dedicated to getting their Exterminators in there in the first place assisted or lead by these guys apparently
>>45571758

And shitty, shitty, shitty line infantry. They might have a couple okay tier recon regiments but their speciality, and the only thing they're really good for, is getting into Hives, and fucking dudes inside them up.

>>45575313
I'm already working on fluffing them.

Someone said last thread that they where pit slaves owned by an eccentric Guilder. They staged a revolt and where shut down by the Exterminators. They where given an option to either be formed into a penal regiment or be put down.

Obviously being a penal guardsman is better than a cybergladiatrix.

>>45575561
>>45575527
>>45575519
I'm guessing next thread should be about the Successor Regiments.

>>45575639

Sounds like a plan

>>45575645
For now lets focus on the nobility. If we can flesh out the big players in the noble alliances we should be good.

>>45575721
House Kuàijì
Guilders
Golden Wheel Sect
Starborn

A divergent branch of the Commander's descendant house, House Kuàijì commands the Adamantine, Gold, and Electrum mining on Hua Yuan.

>>45575721
Alright, we should probably flesh out the really really important houses, the houses that have a significant impact on the Hive. Name and state what the lesser houses do, but leave the fluff up to the GM for them

>>45576429
Kuaiji?

>>45575561
I meant fluff up a concept for an akira-style fast response unit on motorcycles

>>45576491
Accountant, I think.

>>45576479
Do it like this >>45576429 or this >>45571758

Using these
>>45562807
>>45562490
>>45561786
>>45561762
>>45572476
>>45572370
>>45572437

Should be pretty easy.

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>>45576479
You don't even have to flesh them out much more than a sentence or two. I'm pretty sure the Nobles of Necromunda have collectively had all of a paragraph written about them in the last twenty odd years. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only named one of them I can think of off the top of my head was a girl from the Kal Jericho comics who abandoned their uphive family to join an Escher gang.

>>45576586
Exactly. We only need a few, too. And maybe a couple sentence preface describing the concept of nobility on Hua Yuan

>>45576543
會計?
Kind of odd to choose that as a name

>>45576630
The vast majority of the nobility is haughty and vain. Their most popular pastime is jockeying for the choice real estate divided up by the various branch families. Their actual work ethic is delagatory at best. Unless there is an issue with the industries they own, then its of little consequence.

>>45576762
This is of course the generalization and not the hard fast rule.

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Captcha, you cannot give me a picture of a flag and tell me to count the street signs.

>>45576586
Turns out there was a tiny bit more fluff about House Cattalus

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/House_Catallus

Still only the one named character that I can find though. Which is actually fine - you can use characters as a way to look at the larger families they belong to, either because they embody their most notable traits or deliberately play against them.

>>45576630
Exactly. There's potentially millions of people claiming to be nobility by the end of the 41st millennium, and each of them is going to think that they (or at least someone in their immediate family) deserves to be rich and important.

Think of the set up in these two posts >>45561762
>>45561786
as waves of immigration. If we were using the sketch timeline Riccianon suggested here >>45538388, the Original clans have been here the longest, followed a little later by ex-Spacers (who likely have something slightly closer to mainstream imperial religion, particularly if they keep themselves to themselves in order to stay in and around the ship) and then the recent immigrants from the last however long its been since contact was resumed. And they all have reasons to look down on each other - heritage, prestige, connections, wealth and religious philosophy.

>>45576865
I could see pride being a thing, none of the families want to be seen as weak/losing face.
Grudges can go a long way, as in taking revenge for their ancestors or something similar.

>>45576925
The big cognator of grudges!

>>45576925
>>45576937

Oh boy oh boy. That flows in really well into the Hunter-Killer Regiment here>>45575519

The armored/ vehicle regiments could derived from hive nobility.

>>45577129
Well that makes sense considering the doctrine on Armoured Siege Warfare.

It would make it easier for them to work with the Knight House, as others would probably just see them as haughty foreigners.

>>45577477
I'm not so sure a Knight House works here, given one of the key themes of the planet is long isolation from Imperial culture allowing it to fester. Unless there's been a recent change in the fluff Knight Houses are reasonably rare, aren't they? They're stationed on Knight Worlds, which have their own weird Feudal Mechanicus culture.

I mean, not to say that some regiments haven't marched alongside Knights, I'm just not convinced they have to be linked directly to the planet and its people.

>>45571758
Of their homeworld they do not speak, only that it has been lost to the gnashing teeth of the Devourer.

What few knights that remain in House Ranulph are precious assets to the Praetorians that fought with them to defend their homeland.

Now without a Baron and without a home the Knights of House Ranulph have pledged their fealty to the Praetorians, and now are garrisoned in the fortress orbiting Hua Yuan, assisting and coordinating hive sieges.

>>45577551
Would something like this work?
>>45577588

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>>45578350
Maybe? If it was up to me I'd have them be their own thing if anybody wants to expand on them, but appear in reports of battles involving Praetorians to give them some flavour. Something like

>678.M41 - The Calpamos Incursion
>The Praetorian 38th Dragoons and Hua-Yuan 3rd Exterminators are deployed to the Calpamos system alongside the Imperial Knights of House Ranulph after contact is lost with a colony world. Although the Guard forces fight bravely, they are soon overwhelmed as an unending tide of alien bodies erupts from the ground. Only atomic bombardment from orbit keyed to the survivors last known vox transmission is able to put a stop to the swarm. Although the Knights were given posthumous honours, surviving members of their House swear Vendetta upon the Exterminators for failing in their duties and allowing their allies and kinfolk to fall.

>751.M41 - A Duel at Sunset Ridge
A simmering rivalry between two visiting Freeblade Knights comes to a head at celebrations to mark the Regimental Muster of the 1098th Hua Yuan Infantry. Dignitaries can only watch in horror as the two men take to their warmachines to clash in a battle to the death on the cliff-top above the hive city.

Things like that.


The thing is that the knights are only tangentially related at best, and I fear its another blind alley of development that doesn't actually help much. We don't have to add absolutely everything Imperial, just as we don't have to turbo-charge the Chinese elements.

>>45576754
How about 地藏 (Dizang)?
Basically earth treasures, but apparently it's also relevant to Buddhism somehow (I don't know, I just came up with that randomly)

>>45578821
I think that having a Knight world (or the remains of one) is sufficent enough if we really want to include them.

>>45559223
Food production is started.

Gimme Gas Farming and mineral mining.

The Thaddeus and Yao Partnership effectively united all the Gas farming facilities under a single management. Seen as a proper marriage between Foreign interest and Domestic relations. The deal will be finalized upon the day of the two partner's children's Arranged marriage to each other while currently its in a transitory preparation stage.

The House of Duboui runs 85% of the legitimate mining operations in Hua Yuan with an iron fist. Literally. While none of them are Mechanicus by any stretch of the imagination, they consider themselves to be "Cybernetic Enthusiasts". They have deals with the mechanicus for top of the line implants and replacements for the family. The rumor mill states that they want to control that branch of the mechanicus financially as a "Nest Egg".

>>45579193
B-but
>>45576429

>>45579457
Ahh, sorry anon, didn't see that there.

We should probably Start linking the Noble Families we make to the OP for ease of archival anyways.

>>45579193
>>45579134
>>45578821
>>45577588

Good stuff.

Thinking about making a heretic house when I get off work.

Since things seems to be picking up thoughts on using the picture of the world for general Hua Yuan building and Flash and Clear for regiment building?

Also thinking about posting next thread tomorrow, giving /archive rat/ time to catch up.

>>45579193
Avoid giving definitive numbers about control. Its fine to say the house controls the vast majority of the legitimate mining operations. It lets you have wiggle room so that if people want to invent lesser mining house corps (a la >>45579457) there's room and there's less chance of weird number crunching going on.

Cybernetics could also link up to pit slave augmetics. They've got a cheap pattern for mining bionics, and it became custom for them to make nicer ones for the family to show off (or to show their devotion to the company family? Sacrifice the flesh for the cause?). Once the Imperium and the Mechanicus make a big comeback its suddenly revealed that the chunky "top of the line" cybernetics that were their pride and joy aren't anywhere near as advanced but might make up for it with sheer brute strength. Family members who seek integration with the Imperium might have nice bionics, traditionals have big bastard old fashioned ones.

Or something, I don't know.

>>45579563
Agreed, we're redoing stuff previously covered.

For the armour guys, from previuos thread:
>>45546606
>Now that's a thought, actually.

>Assaulting a regular Hive isn't going to be something the Exterminators are going to be particularly good at until they get inside the walls.

>Some heavy armor units backing them during the initial stages of an offense on a hive, as well as providing suppression of enemy defenses as they get inside would be very, very useful.

>I might put together a little section on Hua Yuan Heavy Armor Regiments, and perhaps make a template regiment to toss up on the wiki.
>Fair enough. Can you image their tanks? Flashy as hell. Especially since they would use them you really don't have to hide them at all.

>So it's not so much an Armoured Regiment as a siege team, right? And the Iron Orchids (Razorgirls) would be used for clearing Space Hulks and Void worlds?

>Siege crew. I think that's the perfect way to handle our armored units. Fits in perfectly with the assault style of the guardsmen

>That sounds right. The heavy armour clears a path for transport and makes a breach. They're at their most vulnerable outside the hive walls, their speciality is assault from within. Once there's a hole they use their famous shock and awe light shows to cover the chimeras bumrushing towards the wall. The assault teams priority is then removing whatever and whoever is firing on the transports.

>The funny thing is is that if you picture in your head it's so OG 40k it hurts
>Beams of light and smoke fucking everywhere
>Random rubble around the breach

>Then a fucking mountain of flashy dudes covered in skulls, albeit alien ones, rushing in, shooting everywhere, surfing in on bodies. After that it would become The Raid meets Spec Ops: The Line

>>45579892
>For vehicles:
>Bikes and Tauros. They perform recon, probing the hive for the best entry point. During attack they're on diversion, popping smoke and blinkers over a large area to hide the advance of the rest of the armour. They assist the assault in more spaciuos hives.

>Thunderers create the breach. They charge forth under cover of smoke then bust several holes in the wall at close range, levelling the internal hab block to create a staging area.
>Chimeras are then used to rush forth the first wave of infantry once there's a breach.

>>45579564

Good point,

Well throwing up a small blurb for the controlling family for the manufactorums. hell just a two/three sentence blurb is all we need on all the families. The GM can pad out what he needs if he needs it.

"Auntie" Lu, As she's "affectionately" called by her rivals; is currently top dog in the Distribution and control of the Manufacturing capabilities of Hua Yuan. She's got her hands in a lot of markets, White, Grey and black. If a Hive gang got a hold of some flash Las-Uzis, you can bet that it "Fell off the back" of one of Auntie's merchandise transports.

>>45580017
HKGolden's swear filter turns "Fuck your mother" into "Hi Auntie"

>>45580081

Glorious

If this place is so cramped even for the rich, why do so many people still live here? Sure, the people of the under hive might not even know there are worlds beyond their own, but what about everyone else?

>>45580666
Let's put it like this Satan, it's Hell but it's Their Hell.

>>45580666
It's not too cramped for the nobles. They have fortress sized Estates. They just don't have room for cities worth of estate.

Still sizable, just not impressive by Imperial standards

>>45580666
>666
Well Satan, they're somebodies on Hua Yuan. On any other planet they'd be wealthy nobodies. Lesser nobles may accept their home is a shithole and move off planet, but the higher nobles aren't as willing to give up that much power for a little comfort.

>>45580953
>>45580753
What about the middle class? It can't be too hard to grab a job as a deckhand on some ship or join the army

>>45581144
All first born go into the army. Volunteers might not even be accepted. But then again, that is sort of crazy talk.

>>45581144
A few would, it's not a naval recruiting world though, so it'd be less common.

Extreme poverty, debt and family obligations would hold back the innumerable masses from getting off planet. It might make joining the tith regiment more attractive as a wayout rather than a probable death sentence.

>>45581233
You made me think, is it just the exterminator regiments that are first born? Or are the other regiments, especially the line ones, almost adherent to this

>>45581489
*also adherent

>>45581144
>Joining the army
They don't really have a choice.

So the sister of battle lord already decided?

>>45581650

i haven't seen anything on it. Go nuts if you're up to it.

>>45581489
We've covered this I think.
There was something about the highborn going into the better units that serve in Hua Yuan and the lowerborn being assigned as crappy line infantry for tithe. The firstborn have to join, they wouldn't say no to volunteers though.

>>45581664
I'd leave that up to RicciAnon. He has Ecclesiarchal affairs on lock.

>>45581666
Yeah, but there's no real need for regular rank and file regiments to be firstborn exclusive. I guess it doesn't matter. They probably don't keep super good track anyways

>>45581489
>>45582740
>>45581666

I though only the founding First Exterminators were firstborn.
All the successors ups weren't necessarily first born

>>45582740
>>45583579
That'd make more sense, if they can't keep records up to date on every citizen then they've got no idea who's firstborn. It's more likely firstborn among high society and who ever's able bodied among the lower hives unless they can explicitly prove they're not the firstborn, preferably by leading the press gang to their older sibling.

>>45583579
>>45583697

Its probably just Tradition for the first born child to enlist in military service. Not a requirement, but encouraged.

>>45583855
>>45583697
>>45583579
Why NOT have every first born be conscripted once they hit 18?

You do realize that these people have tithes to fulfill, right?

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>45583908
This is also true. you know what? Lets let RNGesus decide

1-5= Mandatory conscription,
6-10= Tradition.

>>45583934
>Rolled 3 (1d10)

well that settles that.

>>45583934
And Mandatory it is.

>>45583908
>>45583934
it it would have to a lottery. Not a conscription because hive world are incomprehensibly fuckhuge but yeah ok mandatory service

>>45583934
Based Arenji.


Now let's stop arsing about and make noble houses. Next thread is regiment stuff, yeah?

>>45583975
if .01 percent of the population 85-100 billion was drafted we would have a billion guardsmen, which is more then we have created throughout the planet's history, and honestly, we would get more volunteers from a volunteer army

>>45583934
This adds some neat cultural fluff.

>"Everyone has someone that served. Everyone has a little blood in a far away land."

>>45584070
Chill bruh.

The roll has spoken. This is 40k, embrace the grimdark

>>45584095


a lottery draft is forced conscription and makes sense. Just because you decided to roll for something shouldn't invalidate 7 threads worth of working shit out. You can't break all this work on a coin flip.

>>45584222

I don't see anything that breaks here Really, If anything this just means that Draft dodging is more of a thing.

Also Volunteers are still a thing as well.

>>45584222

If you're really gonna be like that, its entirely possible that the first born child is just widely enforced in the mid to upper hives.

There's little to no law in the lower hives and thus, little to no reason to follow the conscription.

>>45584490
Sounds about right,I doubt the higher-ups even have a good idea of the population records in the lower hives anyways so they don't even know which ones are they supposed to recruit.

If you want to play things even further, have gangs disguised as officials to take people off for "conscription".

>>45584555
Anyone who volunteers is a first born doing their duty to the emperor. Anyone who flees the recruiting sergeant is a coward attempting to escape their duty. Anyone who claims that they are not firstborn but cannot provide papers to prove it is a liar. Anyone in possession of such papers is a forger.

These are just some of the ways that particularly vindictive recruiters make their quotas.

>>45584047

>Now let's stop arsing about and make noble houses.

What else do we need before post limit?
We've got the Mining industry (Both Gas and Mineral) >>45579193 >>45576429

We've got the food industry>>45559223

And a Manufacture Baron >>45580017

Things with the Ecclesiarchy are usually handled by riccianon >>45581825

And i belive that the Praetorians are the Defacto Planetary governors at the moment. >>45564908

>>45584666
Maybe major players?

The descendants of the Lord-Captain?

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>>45585001
Maybe they are house that hates the Praetorians because they took control of the planet from them, but they still own a lot of land so they have that power

>>45584666
Maintenance and construction.

House Mintichrius/ The Minty crew.
One of the most ancient houses in the Hive, The Minty crew was established soon after impact by the then chief mechanic Johann "Minty" Mintichrius, what was left of his division began immediate breach repairs on the ship and, due to much of the command chain and mechanicus cult being killed or maimed upon impact, was defacto authority over most of the engineering and maintenance crews. His leadership in the early days is responsible for much of the hives ramshackle construction and shoddy electrical work. His motto of "A job worth doing is worth doing badly" still stands among his dynasty and their crews of wirers, pipers and voidsuited construction workers.

>>45585001
He was probably the first one lynched. He crashed the ship remember?

>>45585204
Kek shit you're probably right.

Maybe they head the largest gang? Maybe they're total nobodies?

>>45584661
Also, if you have a grudge against someone, just tell the registry they're firstborn and they'll be pressed into duty on the next recruitment run. They'd just as likely take you as well, though

>Agriculture and Animal Husbandry
>House Olavis/5th tower farmers
>The original Olavis was the head chef during Hua Yuan's fateful voyage. Growing up on an agriworld, he was well familiar with running a farm as efficiently as possible. Realizing the value that good will quickly gain, Olavis enlisted as many farmhands that he could, and quickly occupied as much land as he could. Generations later, the Olavis family produces all of the rice, fruit supplement, "beef and chicken" (dogs and bats), and any other speciality foods required to be grown. Always vying for more territory on the lower middle hive, they run a sizable private security contractor and own much of the lower north east. They gained the nickname "5th tower farmers" after a natorious gang they employed as protection called the "5th tower orkz", who were known for painting themselves green. The descendants of this gang make up they're current security forces. The current patiarch is Corvo Olavis, a ruthless man who marks up his prices 200%. A known warmonger, we sponsors as many local gangs as he can, hoping for warfare to spread so he can take the territory damaged in its wake

>>45586430
Meant for
>>45584666

>>45584071
>"stories about elsewhere in the Imperium get exagerated over time, leading to things like people believing Catachan is a giant tree and space marines aretwo stories tall"

>>45586430
Bat tastes like shitty rabbit.

Alligator tastes like chicken.

I think you're over estimating the resources to run a chicken farm. I grew up on a organic one, but have seen industrial grimdark ones. It's fairly spartan.

>>45587156
>implying anyone in 40k knows what a chicken tastes like

I was just trying to think of shit that might live in the Hive.

ded thred?

>>45587653

Well it's hit the Post limit, and its not the weekend. So it's a bit slow. It'll probably crop up again tomorrow morning.

>>45587681
Its only 9:30 in the East Burger. There should be a bunch of patriots on in like an hour, right?