Your enemies must exert effort striking further up in order to hit your vitals, which also narrows their window of attack against you, while nearly all of your blows are going to be against vital areas.

>>43411095
Gravity slashes.

>>43411095

That scene didn't even make sense because at numerous other points in the same fight, either one had the high ground.

And it doesn't keep internal consistency with the movie because in The Phantom Menace, Obi-Wan is hanging off that thing, obviously not having the high ground, and still chops Darth Maul in half.

>>43411119
This.
Also, since you are above, it is easier to see how your opponent's shoulders and arms are moving, which allows you to more easily predict how they will try to strike or block.

>>43411095

They tested this on Mythbusters, last episode of the latest season. Result: not really any benefit at all.

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>>43411233

Nigga do you even "Certain point of view"?

>>43412117
To be fair, The Force lets you do this and basically change who has the higher ground all the time.

>>43411233
Maul was being an idiot and toying with Obi-Wan because he was sure to eventually get the kill. That's the mistake Obi-Wan exploited.

As for the duel on Mustafar, my take on it is that Anakin standing on a floating platform over lava meant he had no choice but to attack or surrender. Anakin being himself, he of course wouldn't surrender, so Obi-Wan felt Anakin's anger peak and knew he would try to attack at that point. And as others have said before, his position gave him an advantage.

>>43411095
>in a swordfight?
not that OP didn't say lightsaber fight, he said sword fight.

>>43412117
From my point of view the jedi are evil

>>43414634

From a certain point of view, the prequels never happened. And Wookies live on Endor, dammit.

>>43414634
Both Sides a shit
Gray4lyfe senpai

>>43414844
>senpai
Fucking japanese moot

>>43414871
What did you type in? I have yet to trigger any of the filters

>>43416655
f/a/m becomes senpai

>>43416693
that's fucking fantastic

>>43414298
A lightsaber is a type of sword.

>>43414835
Man it sure was cool when those wookies rebelled and took down the generator

Wookiees on Endor? What's this from?

>>43416813
>A lightsaber is a type of sword.
not really, no.

>>43412117
Some deep lore here. Essentially what the movies don't explain and you have to work out for yourself is 1) the high ground is a position of unparalleled power in the Force and 2) that each Jedi seen in the films has a unique force ability (sort of like Stands in Jojo in some ways).

Obi Wan's ability is 'A Certain Point of View'. This allows him to interpret the high ground according to his own view of the situation: for example in the picture although he is below Darth Maul he can use 'A Certain Point of View' to actually be on the high ground in comparison to him. He uses this ability at multiple points in the series, including when Darth Vader strikes him down and he ascends to a higher plane of existence (Vader had thought to counter him by fighting on a flat, featureless floor but this backfired) granting him unimaginable power through 'A Certain Point of View'. This ability could be considered similar to Jojo's King Crimson or Medaka Box's All-Fiction.

Vader's power is 'Spinning'. This is an extremely powerful ability as well and in some ways the perfect counter to 'A Certain Point of View'. By using 'Spinning', Vader changes the environment so that it's almost impossible for his opponent to determine the high ground, which is shifting constantly. Vader has experience with his own power and can choose to strike only when 'Spinning' gives him the high ground. Vader's use of this ability as a young boy is what marked him out as the Chosen One of the Force. In the fight where Obi Wan defeats Anakin, you can actually see Anakin beginning to spin as he makes the leap - it's just unfortunate that Obi Wan had experience fighting 'Spinning' through training with Anakin and, for instance, fighting General Grievous.This power could be considered similar to Jojo's Gold Experience Requiem.

Here: in this video you can see Vader use 'Spinning' to defeat Luke Skywalker's position on the high ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguISScl4jY

>>43411395

Yet every fight with one side having the high ground consistently resulted in that side having a huge advantage.

As an actual fencer I would say very little.

In fact, it actually becomes a disadvantage the higher you stand from the opponent, because it decreases your effective reach.

This is the same reason why it's usually a bad idea to attack the legs.

>>43411095
I always thought this to mean "I have the moral high ground."

>>43417106
Do fencers ever actually fence on terrain, though? I always kinda figured they did it on absolutely flat mats. Might be cool to see a fencing match with some geography, although most likely they'd never actually use it.

>>43416961
That... Is crazy stupid. Even for George Lucas.

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Realistically, what advantage would the Sheev Spin actually give you in a AUURAAUAAAAAAAAGHHH

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>>43416961
wat

On the high ground you have more ability to strike at the head while the opponent has more ability to hit legs which can easily be moved.

>>43411095
OP, here's an exercise to explain why elevation matters in a sword fight. Take two buckets, fill them with sand. Lift one so that your arm is pointed downward and outward at a say 45 degree angle, note the difficulty.
Now take the other bucket, lift it so that you are pointing upwards at a 45 degree angle
Hold it there.
Note the difference? You're having to work harder to keep that heavy bucket of sand elevated. It's about how your muscles are laid out, how you can or cannot apply leverage.
Lifting the sand bucket upward like that is really awkward isn't it?
Now, imagine swinging a sword around with that sort of awkward angle hampering you. Also the guy with the elevation has a better view of what's going on around him as well.

All in all for the last 2000+ years people have expressed the importance of holding the high ground for a reason. Seriously, there are distinct advantages of view and kinematics.

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>>43417178
Sheev has many powers. I believe he genetically modified himself with his own Force research to give himself multiple Force abilities.

This would explain why he had to conceal his fucked up arms, a side-effect of the mutations.

>>43416833
>>43416854

Return of the Jedi was originally supposed to be on Endor, home of the Wookiee race. We knew this back in the day because Lucas had been telling people about his nine movie plans since the 70s.

When it came time to start doing the film, however, Lucas decided to rewrite things and take the Wookiees out. His reasons were multiple, for one he wanted a thematic "savages versus civilization" thing, and Chewie had already been seen using all sorts of tech, so he felt that Wookiees weren't right anymore. He also saw the marketing opportunities of making them adorable teddy bear midgets, and went with that.
And so we got goofy-ass Ewoks instead of bad-ass Wookiees.

>>43416961
I teach retarded children and this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard about star wars.

>>43414128
>he had no choice but to attack or surrender.
Or hang out for like 4 seconds and jump somewhere else, and continue the fight.

>>43417342
>>43417167
Yeah, some of Lucas' decisions on SW lore are pretty questionable.

>>43417019

>After a training session with Colby, they built a set to re-create the conditions of the duel, including a ramp with an uneven surface to match the incline on which Obi-Wan and Anakin fought. They fought 50 duels, with each man taking the high ground for 25; overall, the high man won 24 times, the low man 26. Since the results for the two positions were so evenly matched, Adam and Jamie judged the myth as busted.

The difference is totally negligible.

given the group I train with does outdoors sparring in an area that includes an area that's sloped, I can say with some certainty that high ground can and will give you an advantage

(this is mostly longsword, some pollaxe, and a little rapier)

the opponent's range is reduced, while your own is increased, because of the way that you stand. Your own blows are higher - meaning that you're positioned better to strike the head and the shoulders. that can be a disadvantage, a low strike can be harder to cover, but on average, its an advantage.

lastly, your movement can work with gravity to your advantage, while they are slightly slower to step in. that gives you the edge in actions and time.

>>43416855
It cuts
Therefore it is sword
>inb4 but Knives aren't swords
Knife is baby sword

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>>43411233
The whole point of those scenes was to illustrate exactly how good Obi-Wan is at chopping the legs off of people who try to jump over him.

>>43417406

I meant, in reality.

>>43417106
Actual fencer here too and I completely disagree.
In foil, epee, and saber holding elevation is a huge advantage. Both in terms of reach and target area.
A fencer fighting foil with a significant elevation basically removes 1/2 of his target area (the upper torso) from your reach, he can therefore concentrate his defense to cover his lower half since the legs aren't a valid target. Meanwhile he gains massive advantage over you by virtue of him being able to use attacks like whip overs and actually be able to hit you with them given the high angle of attack he can use with just a slight hop forward.

There's a reason why you do not have elevations on a Piste

>>43417434
So emo girls and axes are swords?

>>43417459

If it gave you this overwhelming advantage where there was every reason to give up as soon as you lost the high ground, like the movie implies, two modestly trained guys fighting 50 matches should have seen some evidence for it.
The numbers don't lie; the guy up top was no more likely to succeed than the guy below. If you've got some numbers that disagree, I'd be interested to see 'em, though.

>>43417406
Yeah maybe that is the result between a couple neophytes ... but between two people who have some significant training elevation in fencing makes a big difference.

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>>43417510
>So emo girls and axes are swords?
so are shaving blades, food processors, and nippon airplanes

>>43417510
Axes are the retarded cousins of sword

>>43417536
>Yeah maybe that is the result between a couple neophytes ... but between two people who have some significant training elevation in fencing makes a big difference.
Yea, the one at the bottom has a clear advantage. they have a lot of natural defense and it is harder to reach them ( the top guy has to bend down).

>>43417525
I don't think that a couple people like the guys from mythbusters qualify as "modestly trained" they're neophytes at best... most likely utter novices in reality. It's no wonder they wouldn't see much differences.

>>43417536

Can you give me some citations for that difference? Because one thing I've learned is that often the things that "everybody knows" aren't actually true if you bother to test 'em.

Mainly it allows your non melee troops to fire over your lines. This is the major advantage.

>>43411095
>>43412117
Why cant they use the force to give them artificial gravity?

Luke used a force jump in Strikes Back...

How often can you use force for that matter? Does it cost mana?

>>43417434
>Knife is baby sword
Thank you for the mental image of a pair of swords cooing over their knife child.

>>43416855
Lightsabers are totally swords. The only ways I can see to get around that are technicalities relating to the fact that some definitions of "sword" specify a metal blade or the fact that the blade only exists when the lightsaber is turned on.

>>43417707
lightsabers don't have a blade, they have a plasma baton, its a circle. also, they don't actually fight in any way like a sword because of the whole "cut through anything except other lightsabers" and "can't touch them".
With a sword you might brace the flat of the blade against your hand to block, you might half sword, you have to worry about enemy armor, and smashing two swords against each other ruins both swords.
With light saber you constantly smash yours vs the enemies saber and it goes right through their armor and body if you get through

.... why don't they all wear full body armor made from vibranium?

>>43417669
It strains your body much like physical work is how i've thought it works based on everything.

>>43417612
Sure, let's cite sun tzu

Camp in high places, facing the sun. Do not climb heights in order to fight. So much for mountain warfare.

. It is a military axiom not to advance uphill against the enemy, nor to oppose him when he comes downhill.

When you come to a hill or a bank, occupy the sunny side, with the slope on your right rear. Thus you will at once act for the benefit of your soldiers and utilize the natural advantages of the ground. (in other words keep the high ground away from the enemy)

Better yet, pick up just about any book on warfare... or a manual of arms in fighting... lazy fuck.

citation needed, motherfucker?

>>43417782
Vibranium is not a thing in star wars and the cortis(?) weave is stupid expensive to mine and make.

One suit of it cost as much as a new hyperdrive.

>>43417811

Yeah, that's all to do with armies, not duellists. See >>43417625

>>43416961
>yfw some anons satirical bullshit is more interesting

I would watch Star Wars jojo

>>43417782
>lightsabers don't have a blade, they have a plasma baton, its a circle.
The blade is made of a nonmetallic material that doesn't have to have a sharp edge to cut things.

>they don't actually fight in any way like a sword because of the whole "cut through anything except other lightsabers" and "can't touch them".
There are swordfighting styles that involve not touching the blade anyway, and I don't see how being really good at cutting things has any impact on whether or not they count as swords.

>you have to worry about enemy armor
Depends on what the armor is made out of, though again it just comes down to the blade being really good at cutting.

>smashing two swords against each other ruins both swords.
That's a problem with the material, not swords inherently.

>With light saber you constantly smash yours vs the enemies saber and it goes right through their armor and body if you get through
George Lucas can't into choreography, and again lightsabers are really good at cutting.

>.... why don't they all wear full body armor made from vibranium?
That would be cortosis, if you want to stick to the Star Wars setting, and some people do (but most people don't know it exists as of the movies).

>>43416961
Where's the original thread with this shit?
I can't seem to find it.

>>43417106

As an actual fencer I would say you're full of shit.
You're also contradicting yourself.

>>43417940
>That would be cortosis, if you want to stick to the Star Wars setting, and some people do
Don't forget Cortosis is pretty damn shit as armor against anything that's not lightsabers.

>>43417296
Nah, Sheev's power is 'It's Treason Then', which allows him to shift the perception of situations towards the conclusion that the other party has betrayed him, which briefly gives him the moral High Ground. That's how Sheev was able to quickly dispose of three highly-skilled Jedi Masters and yet slowly lose the fight to Mace, because his High Ground bonus was only temporary.
Compare that to his fight with Yoda, which was held within the Galactic Senate room, the spotlight of galactic politics, which made Yoda's treason clear and gave Sheev a High Ground advantage with essentially infinite duration.

>>43418085
On top of being what, 10,000 credits to make for bog standard humanoid races?

>>43417838
No, it's not just about armies. It's about individual combat too

Most long blade fighting styles use more cuts down than up, for a reason. such cuts have more power with less muscular effort. And conversely upward cuts or jabs are harder for the human body just due to the layout of our musculature. (Further , downward cust are also easier to execute compared to upward cuts and to do feints with as well which is a key part of combat.)

Beyond that we have the issue of speed. fighting uphill is slower, and downhill you can attack faster because gravity aids you.
Even a little speed matters a lot.

>>43417707

You might as well add the shitposting namefag to your filter list and forget he exists, you'll never get an intelligent thought out of him.
Lightsabers are swords. No doubt about it.

>>43416855
They're also known as laser swords.

Inb4 anyone points out that they're clearly not lasers, neither are turbolasers. Laser is apparently just their word for plasma energy or something.

>>43418093
And Mace Windu's own ability is 'I Don't Think So', is that right?

>>43417106
naw m8, your lunges would be longer.

all about distance, and if you have the high ground you have distance.

>>43418070
Totally agree! I really doubt this guy knows fencing at all. Especially given that the legs aren't usually a target except in epee.

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>>43417315
>Lucas had been telling people about his nine movie plans since the 70s.
Really? Source?

>>43418173

I don't know, there's a lot of myths and bullshit surrounding this kind of stuff. I'd like to see someone replicate the Mythbusters experiment with a load of highly trained fencers.

I understand this is stuff "everybody knows" but too many times I've run into stuff that "everybody knows" which turns out to be wrong. Hell, Mythbusters has done it many times.

>>43418303
Nah, Mace has 'This Party's Over', which allows him to temporarily reverse the possession of the High Ground, snatching a probable victory from the jaws of almost certain defeat.

>>43418353
The fucking hothead comment thrown into this one kills me every time.

Cancerous as we are, I love my /tv/ bros.

>>43418360

If I still had my big stack of Starlog magazines, I'd scan the Star Wars issues for you. He had this elaborate plan for everything, and it was in many ways much cooler than what we got.

>>43418330

Yeah I don't know why he mentioned legs at all. There's a reason legs aren't usually considered a valid target in sport fencing: because they're not very effective targets in real fencing.
A fencer on the low ground is gonna have a face full of leg with greatly reduced access to valid target area, whereas the one on the high ground has nothing but target area in his reach.

>>43411095
>>captcha thinks froot loops are candy
It isn't?

>>43418370
Dude, repeating the same thing over and over does not make it true.

Sayng "but too many times I've run into stuff that everybody knows which turns out to be wrong" does not hold up.

When there is a continual consensus that has gone on for around 4000+ years of warfare it's called an axiom for a reason. You don't have to keep proving the sky is blue over and over. Concensus has been reached, experts agree, and history has settled on this fact. Myth busters are simply wrong on this, it's by virtue of the fact that they only have a short video bite to get their test done in... and it needs to be dumbed down for edutainment.

>>43418394
So Mace's "This Party's Over" removed Jango's advantage of being able to jetpack away, thus depriving any Jedi he fights of the high ground.

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>>43417474
height would be an advantage in foil but there's no right of way in a swordfight

How am I full of shit? it is mathematically provable that standing higher decreases your reach.

Here's a shitty illustration which I hope explains this more intuitively

>>43418479
Exactly, it also took the High Ground from the spectators of the Collosseum and gave it to the Jedi.
However, as Dooku then called for backup, the high ground advantage was swiftly lost, resulting in what would have been a crushing defeat had the Clones not arrived.

>>43418370

>I watch a lot of Mythbusters and read a lot of Cracked

tl;dr version for you guys

>>43418468
>Hurr consensus
Citation needed fucker.

The high ground advantage you hear about so often refers to the fact that an ARMY holding high ground (a hill) is at an advantage because the enemies get severely winded from RUNNING UP HILL to engage, and their arrows reach further.

This has nothing to do, at all, with swordfighting someone when you are both fresh

And in fact you happens to be a disadvantage as per >>43418514

>>43418514

>Knee sticking out

Funny thing is, in that picture once you remove the silly knee, the higher ground person has a clean cut on the wrist while the lower ground person touches no part of the body.

>>43418468

Again I am NOT talking about armies. I know there's a consensus about armies -- I'm talking about individual duellists, and I'm wondering if people aren't incorrectly applying the truism about high ground and armies to individuals where it may not apply.

And I'm saying the same thing, because people keep replying with the same thing. Which is just variations on "everyone knows it's true, shut up"

And you can talk shit about Mythbusters if you like, but it's probably the best damn science show on television. Yeah, sometimes the experiments are janky, the data is incomplete, the conclusions are suspect; guess what? That's the most accurate representation of real-world science around, and miles better than the "scientists make sure everything's perfect and they're always right" style of air that a lot of other science shows give off.

>>43418582
>style of air

* they're always right" air that a lot of other shows give off

>>43418330
Well yeah I'm an epeeist

I'm sorry you guys have shit taste in weapons but you don't have to be assholes about it

>>43418580
>Knee sticking out
that is called fencing pose you retard
>Funny thing is, in that picture once you remove the silly knee, the higher ground person has a clean cut on the wrist while the lower ground person touches no part of the body.
No, you have to adjust the angle of the top fencer, and if you adjust its angle then the bottom one gets to adjust as well. and thus the advantage still goes to the bottom fencer.

>>43418580
Or he just crouches and sticks him in the foot

>>43414634
Only a sith deals in absolutes!

>>43418582

>And you can talk shit about Mythbusters if you like, but it's probably the best damn science show on television.

As a scientist I find this so sentence hard to fathom it's almost bait. Mythbusters do a great deal of popular engineering but they are most certainly NOT scientific in their approach. That glorious N of 1, but also their extreme simplification, is no reflection on 'real-world' science which is about repetition and can be unreliable *because* they don't try to hand-wave unaccounted variables, not the other way round..

Mythbusters is the kind of hack 'science' that you learn in high school that has very little to do with how scientific research actually functions and innovation actually occurs.

>>43417806
>using the force strains the body
Only if you're dark side trash

>>43418634

We're not talking about your shitty "MUH HONOR DOOL" weapon, we're talking about real weapons used in life and death struggles.

>>43411095
If two clashing armies, the guy on top can easily see what composes the low army, whereas the army below cannot see the composition or position of the guys on top.

Not quite limited to sword fights obvi but just something to consider

>>43416961
>[Spinning]
That's a good trick.

>>43417782
>they don't actually fight in any way like a sword

Since sabers can cut straight through anything, a more realistic jedi fight would be like modern fencing.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqinvvppLk8

>>43418783
>We're not talking about your shitty "MUH HONOR DOOL" weapon, we're talking about real weapons used in life and death struggles.

which one is that, the foil or the lightsaber

>>43418690

I mean that in the real world, sometimes your testing equipment sucks, your budget is short, you don't have the time or resources to set things up "the right way", you can't control for all the variables you'd like, and you end up having to do the best you can with what you've got.
And when you're looking at somebody else's paper, you'd better assume that that was the case for them, because it very well may be.

Too often TV portrays science as if it was done with infinite budgets by lab-coat wearing priests who would never half-ass anything out of sheer scientific fervor, and that isn't the case. In real science, there's a lot to argue about.

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Anybody who says having high ground doesn't give you an advantage is wrong. It's that simple.

>>43418542
What's Yoda's ability then?
Also, I posit that Obiwan's "A certain point of view" helped the Jedi hold off the droids as they were still lower than the crowds.

the high ground allows for your retreat to equal in effort to your opponent's advance, just like on flat ground.
But a fight is won in the offense, and being aided by gravity, your advance requires less effort than their retreat.

You use this advantage to keep your opponent on the defensive or to outright overpower them from the start. The fool arguing against the high ground advantage for foil is forgetting that the high ground will offer a farther, faster, and easier lunge. He is also making the mistake of applying technique of a sport weapon and its rules to a different weapon. An arming sword had an edge and could slash. foil and epee wouldn't adequately model a fight or the total use of the weapon. you would have to allow for a full body target AND slashing like a saber.

i don't know about you, but i wouldn't want to expose my head and neck to a high ground opponent just so i could try a swipe at his legs.

Medieval long sword duels were performed at a run, like repeated jousting, but on foot. Having that extra umph to knock your armored foe on his ass would be valuable there, too.

>>43418690
>As a scientist
No you are not. You are a clerk in a "shop of science" doing hack research so big companies can claim that in 80% of women who ate narwhal semen don't get cancer.

>>43417510
No, Swords are a distinct form of Axe descended from old man Crescent Axe.

Thus all swords are axes, but not all axes are swords.

>>43418859
>What's Yoda's ability then?
I have no idea, same with Dooku or Maul.
I am pretty sure that Grievous had an ability named 'You Must Realise You Are Doomed' that he powered by using the residual force echoes contained in his trophy sabers as batteries, and allowed him to force his opponent to see themselves as having the low ground.
This is why Obi-Wan was chosen to fight him, as 'From a Certain Point of View' would just allow him to switch his perception of the high ground again, thus nullifying Grievous' powers.

Also, Qui-Gon had 'Always a Bigger Fish, an esoteric power which held that even if his opponent had the high ground relative to him, there would still be something else that held the high ground relative to them, typically resulting in 'accidents' involving scenery or wildlife.

So what are Maul, Dooku/Tyranus, Yoda and Luke's High Ground powers?

high ground seems bad to fight from for various reasons, to the point where it's actually a good idea to adopt a lower stance to adequately defend the legs against an assault from below. it's ideal to defend, however, because of the difficulty of your opponent reaching the same ground from below without exposing themselves to attack whilst doing so. so, it's not good to try and fight actively when you are higher than your opponent generally, but if you hang back and let them come to you they are at a disadvantage.

a gradual slope won't help you much though - you'd need a decent incline or a step of some sort so there's an obstacle that further prevents movement.

If you have a shield, wouldn't taking lower ground be better? You can block most possible attacks and quite easily and stab motherfucker on the table right in the dick.

>>43418980
Yoda had 'Size Matters Not', which nullified the difference in physical heights completely, making it impossible for anyone to attain a high-ground advantage requiring a physical component. Only Metaphorical high grounds can be used against Yoda.

>>43418974
>Also, Qui-Gon had 'Always a Bigger Fish, an esoteric power which held that even if his opponent had the high ground relative to him, there would still be something else that held the high ground relative to them, typically resulting in 'accidents' involving scenery or wildlife.
So when he get killed by Maul, the bigger fish was Obi-Wan?

>>43419066
Seems like a reasonable assumption.

>>43419030
Not really, it's too easy for the person with the high ground to move in and out of your range

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>>43419060
Yoda was also a master of Reverse Technique, an obscure Jedi discipline.

>>43418980
>Luke's High Ground powers
"It's impossible!"? Allowing him to deny reality.
So when he said "I am a Jedi, like my father before me.", he's actually denying the fact that Anakin ever turn to the dark side, forcing him to the light side again.

>>43418875
Hold your sword out straight, arm fully extended at some angle theta above or below the horizon. Your maximum lateral reach is the length of your arm plus the length of your sword, times the cosine of theta. Your reach is maximized when theta is zero, that is, when the sword is held straight out at the horizon.

The higher you stand, the lower you have to point your sword to hit the other guy, decreasing your reach, while, as long as you aren't standing on an obstacle higher than his shoulders, he can stick his sword straight out and hit you. If you have to point your sword downward at a 45 degree angle to attack, you suffer a 71% disadvantage in reach.

QED

>>43418980
Maul had 'Die, Jedi, Die!' which gave him the high ground by default in a fight against Jedi, meaning he would always be at an advantage unless the high ground was seized by other means.

I don't know about Dooku. There are a number of theories - 'War Has Begun', 'Brave But Foolish', 'Twice The Pride Double The Fall'.

>>43419165
Close.
Luke had the ability [Still Good In Him], which allows him to inspire righteous acts in others, thus gaining allies by bringing them up to his own metaphorical high ground and gaining a numbers advantage over the lower-ground enemy.
Luke is the one who ultimately convinces Han to help the Rebellion (by appealing to his conscience and sense of common decency: "Take care of yourself, Han - that's what you're best at!"). Luke is the one who convinces Yoda to let him go to Bespin against his best judgment. Luke is the one who convinces Anakin Skywalker to turn from the dark side back to the light.

The point of this scene is more about how jedi fight. When they're dueling they enter a trance where they're constantly seeing the immediate future. When obi Wan jumped on the ledge and declared victory it was because he saw that there was no way anakin could beat him. Anak in also saw this but his arrogance made him think he was better than his own predictions of his skill.

>>43418859
Do or Do Not.

It negates the high/low ground effect forcing the combatants to fight using only their base skills.

>>43419319
lol, what is this fanon bullshit?

There isn't a clearer scene in any of the movies of [Spinning] vs. [High Ground].

>>43419210
Dooku had [You Have Fought Gallantly]. His powers are negation-based - any and all higher-ground-based abilities are cancelled out, and more mundane Force powers like telekinesis and lightning and swordplay become the only paths of victory.
He died because Sheev's [It's Treason Then] combined with the Rule of Two meant that Dooku was always going to betray him one day, which means that Sheev would always have the high ground. And since Sheev was planning to betray Dooku and was pretending to be on Anakin's side, [Spinning] won the day.
>>43419342
Yoda has this >>43419060
Yoda's all about metaphysics. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."

>>43411254
On the downside, your feet are an easy target and it is difficult to protect them. You have an easier time killing the man on the low ground but you may not come away unscathed.

>>43419176
You wouldn't be fighting on stairs though, you'd be fighting on a slope.

>>43418974
Dooku apparently has an ability that gives him the higher ground if he's fighting more than one opponent or if his opponent is wielding more than one lightsaber.
This is how he fights Grievous, Asajj Ventress, and both Anakin+Obi Wan and Anakin dual wielding against him.
He only lost once he was fighting against Anakin with a single sword one on one.
Maul I suspect had the ability to gain the high ground when he appeared out of fucking nowhere.
He gave Qui-Gon a run for his money on Tattoine and held the high ground long enough even when he was fighting two Jedi in an area with multiple floors. He had probably lost the benefit of his ability by the time he was fighting Qui-Gon on his own, but he was in a room with little opportunity to use his "Always a bigger fish".

>>43411095
Depends on what said high ground actually is. How high is it? How wide? The term is basically meaningless. A fucking chair is technically a high ground, good luck fighting on that.

>>43419403
>Qui-Gon makes a huge gamble on Obi-Wan being able to win
>allows himself to die so that Always a Bigger Fish can be maximally effective
Congratulations, you made this scene actually dramatic

>>43419375
That's a good point, but >>43419403 is why I think personally Dooku has the power [Twice The Pride Double the Fall]. I don't understand quite how it works but it seems to involve halving or doubling specific quantities in the fight.

This explains why he never loses against two opponents facing him 2v1 or against a single opponent 1v1 dual wielding, but is vulnerable to a single opponent with a single saber. It also explains his comment to Mace Windu that Mace is "impossibly outnumbered" - Dooku's Force abilities affecting the quantities of the fight meant the situation was even more extreme than it seemed.

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High Ground Wars is my new favorite thing.

Any predictions on the techniques we'll see in the new movies?

>>43419403
>Asajj Ventress
Speaking of, what's her force power?

>>43419458
Super deep throat and not being canon anymore.

>>43419468
Asajj appeared in the CG clone wars, right? Which would mean she's still canon, for whatever it's worth.

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>>43417144
I don't know the answer to this, but a combination of everything in this thread makes pic related.

>>43419478
>>43419478
I don't know what it is, but I found this list of her quotes
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Quote_of_the_Day/Archive/Asajj_Ventress
Kenobi and Ventress have the best hero/villain sexual tension banter I've seen in a while.
>>43419468
there's a SDT ventress mod?

>>43419458
[Take Me To Dathomir] allows her to discard all standing physical and metaphysical high grounds in the fight and reorientate things based on which fighter is higher than Dathomir on the galactic plane.

>>43419502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZM4Hkw5CPk
Remember when lightsaber duels were all the rage? Remember Ryan vs Dorkman?

>>43419504
>"I have a power greater than the dark side, my pet. I am old. Your fresh furies are my ancient mistakes."
I think I may have found the secret of Dooku's Force!

>>43419504
>Kenobi and Ventress have the best hero/villain sexual tension banter I've seen in a while.
They really do. I'm hoping for Rebels to show them both in a less antagonistic setting, but Ventress is probably already dead so whatever.

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I always wondered why he just didn't do a small jump

>>43419607
or a jump that is parallel to obi

>>43419578
>beats anakin and obi-wan, older than either
>much younger than yoda, cheats to win
>sheev is older than dooku, helps anakin win
We've got a winner

>>43419607
>jump onto the low ground without spinning
He wasn't suicidal.

>>43419675
I think that's just a technique rather than his actual power, it's pretty easy to see an age advantage as having the high ground, after all, and it seems underwhelming for Dooku.

>>43419403
>Maul I suspect had the ability to gain the high ground when he appeared out of fucking nowhere.
>He gave Qui-Gon a run for his money on Tattoine and held the high ground long enough even when he was fighting two Jedi in an area with multiple floors. He had probably lost the benefit of his ability by the time he was fighting Qui-Gon on his own, but he was in a room with little opportunity to use his "Always a bigger fish".
Maul's ability is centered around not allowing the opponent to focus enough upon the higher ground to take it, thus allowing him to seize it for himself. Consider how the following might unbalance an opponent
>wields a dual-bladed lightsaber, a rarely-seen weapon
>paints his red skin with black Dathomirian Nightbrother markings
>appears out of fucking nowhere

What if Yoda's ability only triggers when he isn't using his lightsaber? Most High Grounds are used for combat with lightsabers, but Yoda's come in social combat and arriving right when he's needed.

>>43419818
It also explains the difference in Maul and Qui-Gon's reactions to being separated by a force field.
Maul was impatient to resume pressing his advantage whereas Qui-Gon meditated to try and find the High Ground.

>>43419818
You forgot punches and kicks people in a laser sword fight.

>>43419125
>Awaken, my Force!

You know what I want?
A Quinlan Vos game.

>>43419504
>there's a SDT ventress mod?
Modding community died when Konashion did.

>>43419891
>Quinlan Vos
What's his power?

>>43419897
Wait, Konashion's dead?

>>43419904
Dreadlocks.

>>43419528
I remember Ryan vs Dorkman but I missed the Princess Bride stuff. 2007 internet is really weird now.

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>>43411095
>he still thinks that the high ground was physical and not moral

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Why did Sheev even need a lightsaber when he could've just used the Force to snap every opponents neck or rip their heart out or something?

>>43419944
Haven't you been paying attention to this thread?
The High Ground was physical, but it was maximized due to Obi-Wan seeing it from a different point of view.

>>43419961
Because using the force like that is actually pretty hard, even for masters.

>>43419905
hasn't checked in since 2013, soo yea he probably dead

>>43417357
Did you see another platform? I didn't.

>>43419904
>I am not part of the dark—simply deeper in the shadows

In preparation for his undercover mission, Yoda helped him discard his original power in exchange for a new one.
[Deeper in the Shadows] disregards the normal "higher ground" metagame and focuses on the lower ground. As long as Vos is perceived as being of a relatively lower ground, he has the advantage.
Vos is barely able to keep the Dark Jedi and Dooku himself at bay, because they all believe that he is either as bad as they are (thus giving no advantage) or that he was a Jedi spy (and was thus acting from a higher-ground position).
In contrast, he had to fight the Whipid Jedi K'Khruk, who thought he was a traitor (deep cover is a hell of a drug), and thus of a lower ground, thus Vos had the advantage and won.

>>43419986
but he had unlimited power

>>43419961
>Saw thumbnail
>Assumed joke was something along the lines of Woke up in the morning and was Master Roshi

>>43420030
It's not about power, it's about concentration.

>>43419986
>Because using the force like that is actually pretty hard, even for masters.
in the old shows. back then a little lightening aged you into a prune in a few minutes and you had to be a pridigy to pull a lightsaber back to you with TK once per battle only by grunting at it for a minute

Nowadays every tom dick and harry can pull down battleships from orbit and smash them into the ground

>>43420035
I saw Master Roshi too.

>>43420082
>Nowadays every tom dick and harry can pull down battleships from orbit and smash them into the ground
I didn't really see any of that in the prequels or CG clone wars, are you sure you're not talking about non-canon material?

>>43420149
He's talking about probably the most infamous scene in The Force Unleashed - the player character pulls a Star Destroyer down from orbit into a planet's atmosphere so it crashes into the surface.
Even though that's not how most people talk about it, it is still patently ridiculous that one person would have that much Force power.

>>43411233
Friendly reminder that maul got killed like 4 times between the movie and the comics
>Chopped in half by Obi-wan
>Upper half grafted to robo lower torso, found and nearly killed Obi-wan on Tattooine, only to be shot in the head with a damaged rifle by an injured Owen Lars
>Revived in a clone body by a cult that thought only Maul was fit to be Sidious' apprentice. lured Vader into a trap and beat the shit out of him, then died like a bitch when Vader did a seppuku-attack with Maul standing behind him
>Mad scientist put his brain in a jar and hooked it up to a machine that projected solid holograms. Fought Luke Skywalker for a bit until Luke found said brain-in-jar and destroyed it.

In short: Darth Maul a punk-ass bitch.

>>43420268
>only to be shot in the head with a damaged rifle by an injured Owen Lars
Honestly, I loved that.

>>43420149
https://youtu.be/3nJ-B7xTAyo

>>43420244
Kyle Katarn at the center of the Valley of the Jedi might have been able to do it.

>>43420244
Wasn't it already falling? Also, size matters not, remember?

>>43420244
>>43420281
Well, at least it's not canon.

>>43420286
Kyle Non-Kanon at the center of the Valley of the Retconned, you mean?

>>43420309
Daily reminder that in the famous 'size matters not' scene, Yoda is seen visibly straining to lift the X-wing out of the swamp.

>>43420315
He's just as canon as Starkiller, so it works.

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>>43420082
>Nowadays every tom dick and harry can pull down battleships from orbit and smash them into the ground

Size Matters Not.

>>43420340
Fair enough. Kyle's a lot better as a character than Starkiller, too.

>>43420336
That's funny, because I literally just watched it, and no, he doesn't. He closes his eyes and is the picture of peace as he lifts the X-Wing out of the swamp.

>>43420352
yoda only says it because he is so small

>>43418551
>>43418514
>a shitty drawing is a citation

>>43420392
>a shitty drawing is a citation
No, a shitty drawing is an explanation of the mechanics of how it works according to me, not a citation

However, anon's claim of there being a "consensus" requires a citation.

>>43420360
Don't suppose you have a video link? All youtube is getting me is a modified video of luke lifting it, yoda's theme song and a bunch of other crap.

>>43420286
Moving a Star Destroyer with the power of the Valley of the Jedi wouldn't even be the slightest challenge.

>"...and he seeks a place called the Valley of the Jedi, a place where thousands of Jedi spirits are trapped, a place of almost unbelievable power, a place he must never reach. Because if he does - the results could be catastrophic. Imagine someone who could destroy a star with a whisper, eradicate a solar system with a snap of his fingers, or 'think' a planet from its orbit."

>>43419176
And the guy on the lower ground can only hit your legs, while the other guy can hit the much more lethal targets of the head, neck, and hte upper torso.

>>43417019
High ground is not really something that gets used in duels. Its more of a position used in warfare. Running up hill sucks balls. Running up hill to kill guys that are waiting for you at the highest point with spikey implements of death is even worse.
Not only does it tire the charging force. But you can put archers/slingers/javelinmen/gunners onna slightly higher point then the infantry and fire overhead with significantly less chance of hitting your own troops while the poor sods are attempting to close the distance.
Other then thay I see little point in dueling on anything other then an even surface.

>>43420435
>thousands
Based on what Jedi have been shown to be capable of, you'd need millions at the minimum to do that kind of shit.
In fact, fuck that, you'd need trillions.

>>43420434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUKGTkiWik

About 1:45 is when he starts.

>>43420471
Thanks, anon. I guess I was conflating that with the Dooku fight, where he does strain himself while lifting.

>>43420492
Well, Anon, taking a skill check during a fight is way different. Obviously he got to take 10 on Dagobah.

>>43417574
>Yea, the one at the bottom has a clear advantage. they have a lot of natural defense and it is harder to reach them ( the top guy has to bend down).
Is this a sex thing

>>43420466
There were also a bunch of Sith mixed in there.

>>43420558
That doesn't really change things.
When have Sheev, Vader, Dooku or Maul ever shown the kind of feat that can be upscaled into a few thousand of them destroying a solar system with a snap of their fingers?
This is just the EU getting ahead of itself and being reatrded, again.

>>43420581
>The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

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>>43411095

To answer your question, OP, having a height advantage in a swordfight shifts the focus of your opponent's attacks towards your feet, while at the same time shifting your attacks towards his head and chest.

The advantage comes from the fact that the feet are actually damn hard to hit if you know how to defend them and move them, while the chest, precariously balanced on the feet and requiring substantially more energy and time to move about, is not. This hands the defense to the fighter on-high, who can control the initiative of the fight. It also gives him easier access to his opponent's head, which is a much more critical weak point than the feet.

Now, for the scene itself: The important thing to note is that Obi-Wan points out that the fight is over. Not that he has an advantage (he DOES, he's on stable, elevated ground, while Anakin's on a depressed, moving platform), but that the fight is OVER. From this, I infer that Obi-Wan isn't talking about his altitude.

In fact, he's talking smack. He's long since given up on talking Anakin DOWN, so now he's talking him UP-goading him into making a mistake. Which Anakin does-he's so drunk on rage that he takes the 'elevation' talk literally and tries to leap straight over Obi-Wan to reverse the advantage his former master was just bragging about. Would be quite the smug switch-around, if this wasn't EXACTLY what Obi-Wan wanted him to do (in fact, he did exactly the same thing to Darth Maul, as others in this thread have pointed out) and knew exactly how to counter it.

It's a wonder he didn't cleave the emo fuck in half.

>>43420588
Yeah, which is why Vader could just wave his hand and collapse the shield generator on Hoth.
Oh wait no.

Statements like 'Size matters not.' and 'The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.' are nice and all, but if you're referring to someone actually using the force, rather than the force itself as and all-encompassing energy field, then they're just wrong, and are so clearly wrong that quoting them just makes you look dumb.

>>43411095
>candy? for breakfst?!?!

>>43420492
Because he had used his lightsaber so his high ground ability wasn't being used.
In the fight with Palpatine , he could have won if he just focused on forcing and they weren't in the senate but using his saber combined with being in Palpatine's seat of power.

>>43420588
>>The power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
Because the power of the Force can move... your heart.

That was wasted potential for the Jedi religion tbdesu. The light side isn't shown making people good or making good people better, that's all from the heart, but corruption isn't from the heart, it's the dark side.

>>43420606
It's also not JUST a collection of a bunch of Jedi and Sith--the very act that killed them all turned the Valley into the biggest nexus of Force power in the entire galaxy. So, yeah, a few thousand or whatever Jedi might not be able to do this shit but a Master at the very center of an entire galaxy's force whirlpool could.

>>43420647
Oh, my mistake, that's actually pretty cool.
Still, there should be serious risks involved in trying to control that power, and it shouldn't be anywhere near easy.

>>43420628
I thought Yoda's power was to restrict High Ground usage to non-physical forms?

>>43420849
Palpatine, being Emperor, had the metaphorical high ground in the Senate chamber.

>>43420901
Yeah, but I didn't think Yoda's power was restricted to when he wasn't using his lightsaber.

I am really loving all the High Ground Wars, honestly.

>>43421007
It really is the best damn thing.
I'm just imagining what the Stands look like, I'm picturing [This Party's Over] as having a crushed disco ball in one hand.

>>43420940
He never wins when he is using his lightsaber.
Hell, even against Dooku he only managed to salvage Obi-wan and Anakin being murdered by Dooku

>>43420940
I don't know. He's been in metaphorical low ground every time he's used it, so there's no way to tell. Oh, except for killing his clone bodyguards during Order 66. Flawless victory, and he had the high ground.

>>43421037
Hmm, could it be that Yoda's force Stand has two abilities?

>>43421050
I think possibly everyone that comes back as a force ghost has more than one ability.

>>43421007
>>43421032
JJBA Part X: Higher Ground (after the Stevie Wonder song)

>>43421068
That would make sense.
So what are Obi-Wan and Anakin's other abilities?
Did Anakin only get his second one after becoming Vader?

>>43420459
>High ground is not really something that gets used in duels. Its more of a position used in warfare. Running up hill sucks balls. Running up hill to kill guys that are waiting for you at the highest point with spikey implements of death is even worse.
>Not only does it tire the charging force. But you can put archers/slingers/javelinmen/gunners onna slightly higher point then the infantry and fire overhead with significantly less chance of hitting your own troops while the poor sods are attempting to close the distance.
>Other then thay I see little point in dueling on anything other then an even surface.

>Now imagine you charge up that hill to fight a relatively small number of troops, and the guys you couldn't see just over the crest of the hill shoot you.

Wellington a boss.

>>43420286
didn't Luke throw a fleet out of a system before with some padawans acting as a battery and Luke as the focus

>>43421120
It's probably best to ignore most of what the EU had Luke get up to.

>>43421105
Vader's second ability is [I Have You Now]. It turns any position of surprise into high ground, watch how he uses it over and over on Cloud City. It would have worked on Luke if Han Solo hadn't shown up, and it worked beautifully on the Emperor.

>tfw you realise the Death Star was so powerful because it floated ABOVE the planet it was going to destroy

>>43421136
Speaking of the Emperor, would it be fair to assume that Sheev also had a second ability?

>>43417019
>Yet every fight with one side having the high ground consistently resulted in that side having a huge advantage.
Because an army running uphill gets winded, has a disadvantage in terms of arrow range, and is vulnerable to many kinds of traps.
This is not because in a furious melee the guy standing higher has an advantage.
Furious melee is a holliwood staple but was very rare in actual warfare.

>>43420459
exactly, anon gets it

>>43421159
He did have a second identity, but he has not appeared as a force ghost.

>>43420244
>Doubting the powers of the Force
Star Destroyers are meant for space & not entering atmospheres like that

>>43421136
Does Leia have a High Ground by being force sensitive?

>>43411095
you hand is at the opponents head height.

nuff said

>>43411095
low ground has reach advantage, high ground has mobility advantage

mobility can circumvent reach if used properly because you can level the field in either direction

>>43421159
Sheev and Emperor Palpatine had completely different force abilities. It's one of the more subtle ways Lucas conveyed that the Emperor was truly a different person, far more monstrous and evil than the young man Sheev had once been.

>>43421186
You mean [Aren't You a Little Short for a Stormtrooper], which allows her to attain the high ground over any number of enemies that appear identical?

Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to slowly burn to death wasn't actually an act of cruelty. If Obi-Wan had tried to put Anakin out of his misery, that was an action that could have been seen as good or evil - an unstable moral high ground that was impossible to predict.

If Obi-Wan had tried to end Anakin's suffering Anakin may have been able to exploit that moral high ground to finish him off.

>>43421211
But she didn't have the high ground on Endor or on the ship.

>>43421276
That was due to Vader using [I have you now] to affect the battle on Tantive, and the Emperor using [It's Treason Then] during the battle of Endor. As the entirety of the Rebellion have technically committed treason, it was super-effective.

>>43421267
What if Obi Wan force punted him back into the lava?

>>43421267
What the fuck are you on about
>mercy killing could be good or evil
>but leaving someone to a slow and painful death is entirely amoral

Man, Han Solo is the best Speedwagon ever

>>43420604
brilliant interpretation

>>43421315
Obi-Wan could use [A Certain Point of View] as long as he was unengaged, but if he tried to get close to Anakin and finish it he had no idea how Anakin would see the mercy killing and so wouldn't be able to counter the potential high ground.

>>43421312
Obi-Wan would be pushing from a higher position into a lower one, so it seems safe. At the same time you have to consider that as Anakin's body began to burn it increased in temperature, granting him a higher potential energy and therefore a form of high ground. If Anakin had managed to revolve his crippled body as a form of [Spinning] he might have been able to reverse Obi-Wan's force push and strike back.

>>43421325
>Later, Han set up the Solo Foundation for Force-Sensitives
>Their connections would prove essential in the defeat of the ancient Pillar Sith Sion, Traya and Nihilus.

>>43421378
...How old is Han in this timeline?

>>43421393
Fuck if I know.
Canon age, I guess, the Triumvirate just aren't quite dead.
Revan can appear as a significantly more competent and relevant Santana.

>>43421413
>>43421378
>ancient Sith
>not Nadd, Sadow and Kun

>>43421413
What about the Exile?

>>43421419
>restricting yourself to three
Bring them all out, each the equal of Sheev.

>>43421427
Not a Sith.

>>43421439
Neither is Revan, he gave that up.

>>43421457
Yeah, but he was once, and we can work with that.
He also has a name, which is a plus.

>>43421472
So does the Exile: Meetra Surik.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Meetra_Surik

>>43411233
>That scene didn't even make sense because at numerous other points in the same fight, either one had the high ground.

I think the explanation generally accepted there is something about Obi-Wan being the ULTIMATE MASTER! of lightsaber dueling style #4, which is defensive as Hell.

>>43421344
He already took Anakin's lightsaber by that point.
The most that would happen is him getting head butted by an exceptionally angry cripple.

>>43421651
You underestimate the high ground.
Anakin could totally have telekinetically flung lava at him.

>>43421667
What about using spinning on Lava so not only does he get within reach of his weapon, but it wreathed in lava as he's doing it.
please someone save the High Grounds, I need to go to bed.

>>43416693
Testing, senpai

>>43421877
desu, senpai, baka

>>43421899
desu kek, baka

>>43418850
>Degrees Kelvin
REEEEEEEEEE

>>43421928
Yeah, it's be much better in degrees Rankine, Romer, or Réaumur. Just like angles should be measured in gradians.

What if Anakin could mimic high grounds?

>>43421955
That should be the Scandinavian O-with-line in Romer.

>>43421914
SJW

>>43421964
Then we''ve all been underestimating his power.

>>43421276
>>43421308
More importantly she was untrained in the Force, it was much like Jotaro in the cell.

>>43421325
>Even Han is afraid.

>>43421928
That's 15,000 not 15 Kelvin.

>>43417178
Spinning's a good trick

This thread rekindled my love for /tg/, taking a subject and "spinning" it entirely out of control.

Thanks, guys. I really needed the laugh!

>>43419227
"It's over, Sheev! I have the moral high ground!"

Poetry in motion

>>43417707

No... light sabers are not sword.
A sword is 4 weapons in one, the tip of the sword for stabbing, which a light saber has, a blade for cutting, which a light saber has.
But a sword also has qullions for striking and a pommel for bashing.
Also light saber fighting only involves bashing the other guys saber out of the way to try and get a slash in while sword fighting involves a lot more

>>43417434
>a slice of paper is a sword
DON'T TALK RUBBISH. Play a record

>>43417940

Fuck this bloody smashing two swords together ruins them bullshit swords are not that fucking weak, has anyone who parrots that myth ever watched a hema fight or held an actual sword.
Swords can break but its pretty fucking hard and doesn't happen because you parry a fucking blow in the same way people have been parrying blows for centuries.

Source? Mutha fucking Fiore for starters

>>43411095
Look up why towers had spiral staircases.

>>43411095
extreme, especially if there's lava at the bottom

it's simply footwork. going downhill is easy and going uphill is hard. every couple of swings he'd lose ground no matter what he does.

>>43416693
senpai

>>43416961
But Sheev also spins, to great effect. Though, in his fight with Dindu and the other Jedi, Sheev "The Senate" Palpatine's focus was to use a mix of ancient and powerful Force techniques (spinning, the high ground) to confuse "Dindu" into revealing himself as the the notorious shapeshifter "Traitor". This is also the purpose of Sheev and "Dindu"'s exchange, where each is trying to prove to Anakin "Good Trick" Skywalker that the other is "the Traitor". Dindu/Traitor's line before the fight began (The Senate will decide your fate) was meant to fool the security footage into thinking that Sheev was not the real Sheev, and that the real Sheev (The Senate) would deal with this later. This is reinforced by the following exchange ("I AM THE SENATE" "NOT YET"), implying that he would die the Traitor unless he survived the battle.

Very subtle and captivating lore/dialgoue. Truly Lucas is a genius poet.

>>43420268
>>Revived in a clone body by a cult that thought only Maul was fit to be Sidious' apprentice. lured Vader into a trap and beat the shit out of him, then died like a bitch when Vader did a seppuku-attack with Maul standing behind him
Fuark, I remember that comic. That shit was so dope.

>>43417386
I'm kind of annoyed they retconned Jar Jar into some bumbling oaf instead of Palpatine's original master

>>43411095
>all of this subjective high ground bulls hit
>not a single mention if Ender's Game

What kind of man children are you guys? The Enemy's Gate is Down, fuckers! There's no need for Jojomemes when there are perfectly serviceable Bigotmemes available to use.

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>>43424539
>wanting to reference some pollack punk-ass who couldn't even handle the thought of shoahing a bunch of ant-looking xenos for fucking with our planet
fuck that shite. A much better example is pic related. When he ingested spice, Paul's mind accessed a HIGHER state of consciousness, which allowed him to whoop some Shadam ass.

>>43418758
No, it very clearly strained Luke when he tried to lift his X-wing.

>>43424487
Wow, the other Jedi should have realized Anakin would try to master Spinning from a Spinning expert.

>>43420604
Oh god this actually makes sense.

Something in the Prequels Made Sense.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME!?

>>43411095
>captcha thinks froot loops are candy

They're more candy than grain now

>>43424604
The memes must flow

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>>43418335
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>>43418356
>He even allowed himself to die so he could train Luke from a higher plain of existence

>>43421603
>style 4
I thought he used #3

>>43418974
Grievious can't even use the force though. He was just trained to use lightsabers despite not being force sensitive

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>>43411095
I once wrote an alternate episode 3 in which Anakin accumulates a number of different injuries from the war and Palpatine more slowly pushes him towards the dark side.
When the fight happens on the lava planet anakin is wearing a mask because his lungs had been injured. When the big "I Have the High Ground" moment happens Anakin just does a force assisted jump, blocks Obi-Wan's lightsaber slashes in mid air, and does a perfect landing.

Then Obi-Wan's lightsaber cuts the hose on his mask and things rapidly begin to go downhill.

>>43425924
So what you're saying is that if Obi-Wan took the mask off, it would be extremely painful?

>>43426039
but not for him

>>43419528
>Remember Ryan vs Dorkman
Fuck it, I'm rewatching that shit now.

>>43419528
With the new movies coming out, and better hardware and editing tools we might see a lot new ones in the coming years.

At least if the new movies are any good

>>43411095
None.

Higher ground is a DISADVANTAGE in a swordfight because your enemies has easier time getting to your legs and feet, and an ankle, knee, or calf injury is fatal in a swordfight because no mobility=death.

The reason Obi Wan had the advantage is because he knew, without a doubt, that Anakin, prideful, self-important, delusional idiot he was would LEAP at him to take advantage of the 'high ground' and never realize it was a fucking trap - giving Obi Wan the low ground advantage.

High ground is only an advantage with long weapons such as pikes, polearms, and spears, and countered by those tools as well. Armies can take advantage of high ground for ranged weapons, long weapons, and towers to protect themselves. One on one with swords? Low ground has every advantage. you want proof? get attacked by a dog, see who has the advantage: you, standing tall, or the low to the ground animal.

>>43425531
Hence the reliance on stolen lightsabers, he uses them as proxies to use the force.

>>43426371
>anon reveals he has never been attacked by a dog.

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>>43414634

WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST, THE NEW SHOW FROM JJ ABRAHMS AIRING ON ABC

ALSO ABRAHMS IS NOW MAKING STAR WARS

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>>43426567
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

>>43426796
But Alderaan is peaceful, they have no weapons.

Dindu nuffin. Bail Organa didn't have rebel bases. Proton torpedoes can't detonate power cores.

>>43426371
>feet
>implying your feet are so badly protected, immobile & unable to kick the other man's head

>>43419607
That's about where he caught fire afterwards. Lava tends to be a tad warm

>>43416693
This, desu senpai

>>43429347
I'm assuming to be honest becomes desu?

>>43417386
wait, is that wall of text actually serious?

>>43418514
>First pairing on even ground
>Guy on right is sticking his shoulder, guy on left is still about half a foot away with his tip
>Second pairing
>Guy of right is still just poking, but is now poking the part of the body that will move around the most
>Meanwhile, the guy on the left's tip is now even closer to his arm

Even your own crappy drawing proves you wrong.

>>43419579
She died in the Golden book Dark Disciple.

>>43419478
The CGI show retconned most of her backstory including her tattoos and stopped using her double bladed lightsaber early on. She is now a NIghtsister from Dathomir (there are also Nightbrothers that are all Darth Maul clones) who had been taken to Rattatak as a child.

Oh and she is no longer human. but rather a human-Zabrak hybrid which explains why she is bald.

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>>43416961
Oh god man this has not gone unappreciated.

>>43429800
Why?
Why would they kill a series character in a book?

>>43429867
Yeah, I know.

>>43429887
I hope when this thread has run it's course, the High Ground Wars are chronicles for future generations.

>>43429800
Is that book even still canon?

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>>43429387
Yeah. I'll be honest, it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater because sometimes it isn't used when shitposting, but I'm not gonna complain when it turns potential shitposters into Suiseiseki.

>>43429867
Someone really had a bad dose of the stupids during that arc.

>>43411095
>OP does not assassinate people below him
Guess that makes you a Templar.

>>43418070
As an actual fencer, I think it depends on how much of a high ground we are talking. Too much becomes too bad. A little is worth a lot.

>>43411233
>don't try it
he knew the move anakin was about to use cause he used it on maul

http://jornaloide.com/big-bus/

>>43430021
Lucas and his daughter apparently.

>>43429963
It's considered canon regardless since all unproduced episodes of TCW are considered canon because of the amount of influence Filoni has.