>>43342478
Inb4 Navy

FIRST POST

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“Speaking of your mastery of language,” you intone, “Willie here told me about how Sammy was threatening to grape her the other day.”

“Grape?” Hate frowns. “That's terrible. Shit never comes out of your uniform.”

You squint at Hate and shake your head.

“What? That didn't come from me. She must've heard it from those filthy fuckers on XBox live.”

You squint harder.

“Okay, okay, I'll teach her to swear properly. No more barely-cloaked euphemisms.”

“Wow,” you say flatly. “Euphemisms. That's-”

Hate flips you off as he tries to laugh without losing his mouthful of scrambled eggs. “So, how do you like your new toy, asshole?”

You pluck your cane off the table's edge and hold it up. “So... how do you open this thing up, exactly?”

Hate blinks. “You didn't know?”

“Kind of came apart while we were fighting.”

Hate chuckles. “Figures. You're a lucky son of a bitch. Twist it hard to the right and pull - also hard. The latch is pretty good.”

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>>43342491
Not this time.

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>>43342487

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

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>>43342491

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You twist and pull experimentally and the blade is unsheathed halfway with a suitably dramatic “SWHWING” of steel-on-steel, just like historical swords never did because their sheaths were leather. The blade's lower portion is still coated with blood. You sheath it again swiftly, feeling the latch “click” as it turns the hilt in your hands to re-engage.

“Oops,” you say quietly, then lurch sideways to catch Willie, who's fainted dead away. “Oop!

“Jesus. Christ. On a pogo stick,” Hate observes flatly, shaking his head at you over his carafe. “You really are a piece of goddamn work.” He takes another gulp, and you marvel at his iron esophagus as his mouth steams after the draught.

“That seems to be everyone else's opinion, too,” you mutter. “Willie said there's a video of the fight going around.”

“Already? The hell did that come from?”

“I don't kn-”

“Not talking to you,” Hate says, leaning over the table to pat Willie's face. “Willie. Hey, Willie Dee. Wake up. Wake up, dammit!” He sticks his fingers in his mouth and does a very, very loud whistle, even managing to make it sound like the bosun's whistle to general quarters with the rising and falling pitch. Willie merely murmurs and rolls her head onto your shoulder, clinging to your arm even tighter.

“You'll have plenty of time to watch it later,” you grouse. “For now, I wanted to say thank you.”

“For what?”

You nod at the cane. “For saving my life.”

“Would've bought you a rape whistle and one of those pink pepper spray things if I knew you'd be fucking dumb enough to fight anyone,” Hate returns levelly. “The whole thing's a goddamn joke, swords are archaic and useless in the modern era just like old bitchy men like you.”

In the corner of the room you see Hayashimo's one eye brighten, her intense, eager stare even hungrier.

Yeah. Time to blow this fucking joint.

[ ] Office. Paperwork time.
[ ] Visit the destroyer's training.

>>43342517
>Office. Paperwork time

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

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>THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE NOT READ THIS BOOK

>>43342517
>[x] Office. Pillow fort time.

>>43342517
[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
[X] Office. Paperwork time.

Also find like a sink and some oil or something to clean our sword before shit gets all fucked up by the blood.

>>43342517
>[X] Office. Paperwork time.

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>>43342495
>she's got shitty AA anyways who needs her
pls do not bully the dragon

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>>43342495
i voted against her because i was terrified of what you'd do to her accent

>>43342517
>[ ] Visit the destroyer's training.

>>43342491
So, Navyfag.

We know from KTKM's fans that there's a demand for shipgirl paraphernalia.

How bad would it be if, hypothetically speaking, we were to sell off things the girls used and put the proceeds into an account for dealing with 'discrete' affairs?

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>>43342517
[x]Office, tea time dess

>>43342517
>[X] Visit the destroyer's training.
Cute destroyers doing cute things

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

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>>43342580

>>43342517
>[x] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
>[ ] Visit the destroyer's training.
go see what DesDiv6 is up too

>Other
>Figure out what the hell is up with Shokaku and Zuikaku

>>43342569
God's work pixel.

>[X] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
WHICH OPTION LEADS TO MORE HAYASHIMO????

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517

>>43342517

[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

Time to be responsible again.

>>43342565
>[X] Office. Paperwork time.
The job ain't gonna do itself.

>Also find like a sink and some oil or something to clean our sword before shit gets all fucked up by the blood.
A splendid idea. Never know when we might need the thing again.

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
>In the corner of the room you see Hayashimo's one eye brighten, her intense, eager stare even hungrier.

Does she desire the admiral?

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.
Be a good, responsible admiral now who totally didn't get drunk off his ass last night and kill two yakuza thugs posing as JSDF servicemen.

>>43342517
>other
"Have you heard from Naka or am I the only one not going bugshit around here?"

>>43342517
>[x] Visit the destroyer's training.
EXPLOSION. it's what your hangover CRAVES

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>>43342517
>[X] Office. Paperwork time.

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>>43342555

You sure you wanna do this, buddy? You remember how it ended the last two times, right?

>>43342309
Something I've always been wondering as a guy who doesn't know all that much about WWII:

How is it that the Japanese Empire kept making and building poorly designed military hardware that reeked of flaws? Kaga couldn't vent its heat properly. The Nambu pistol was a pile of shit. Japanese carrier design ended up having the worst of both American and British designs (squishy carriers with less efficient damage control).

What gives? Were Japanese engineers and scientists just bad? Were they trained poorly?

>>43342646
Y A O I

>>43342517
... Well, I suppose we best be getting to the paperwork before it gains sentience.

>[x] Office. Paperwork time.

Hey guys, remember who handed in a resignation letter?

Got to deal with it?

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>Hayashimo's one eye brighten
I think we're going to have a stalker since she's probably on light duty.

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>>43342495
Can you not bully RJ

>>43342517
>[X] Visit the destroyer's training.
We caught up on enough paperwork. Time for some deckplate leadership.

>[X] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
>[X] Office. Paperwork time.
The thought of interacting with other sentient life in this quest is too horrific for words.

>>43342665
Japan could not into engineering. even with German assistance.

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>>43342634

There's no option that doesn't, actually.

>>43342660
>You remember how it ended the last two times, right?
Nope!

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.
Because if we don't check our emails and voicemails and end up ignoring the CNO, things will not be pleasant.

And if there's NOT anything from the CNO, then it's better that we tell him rather than him hearing it from someone else.

Hey Demetrious

Been reading your quests for years. Loved every one.

That mindflayer flashback in AWiY seriously turned me on.

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>>43342695

>>43342517
>Visit the destroyer's training.
The last time we got out of the office we nearly got murder by a bunch of mod wannabes. Let's go somewhere safer like the range. If some try to murder use there they are going to have a bunch of pissed of destroyers gunning for them.

>>43342660
>You remember how it ended the last two times, right?
I seem to recall AWESOME when that bomber nosed into one and then blew up in SWQ.

>>43342517
>>[X] Office. Paperwork time.

>The blade's lower portion is still coated with blood
Wipe your sword clean, Settle.

>In the corner of the room you see Hayashimo's one eye brighten, her intense, eager stare even hungrier.
Oh, great, Settle is going to get DEEP LOVED...

>>43342669
Oh. Ok. Defective DD.

>>43342517
>Office. Paperwork time.
Destroyers would be an amazing source of information though

>>43342665
>What gives? Were Japanese engineers and scientists just bad? Were they trained poorly?
Actually, I want to know this too. How in God's name were they so consistently godawful at War? You'd think they'd have at least one thing they were actually *good* at, but no.

>>43342665

the short answer is because they were incredibly smart dumb people. The long answer could eat up a book.

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Give her the Settle

>>43342517
>>43342695
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.
Thank ya kindly.

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342669
But why would she eye us hungrily when we start petting the Willie?

>>43342517
>[x] Office. Paperwork time.
And I mean shredding resignation letters.

>>43342695
>There's no option that doesn't, actually.
Called it on the stalking

>>43342665
Lack of resources. Seriously, they had poor quality iron, no oil and fuck all natural resources.

And a billion other factors.

>>43342694
And that, too.

>>43342660
I want to hear his cry of suffering when the inevitable happens.

>>43342695
I'd ask for what option leads to which encounter, but that'd be spoiling the fun.

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>>43342702

YOU NEED A REMINDER?

>>43342665
A thousand men could write a million books and maybe cut halfway to the heart of the answer

>>43342695

The Stalker mission was the best mission in MW2:Mercs. Fight me, faggot.

>>43342737
But what personality does she have other than DEEP LOVE?

>>43342734
Anyone want to help out an anon and type up the long answer? Or at least point him to the right book explaining as much?

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>>43342767
Yes.

>>43342665
Ironically they invented the modern destroyer.

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.
>>43342565
And if we can, clean off the sword.

>>43342665
Japan didn't come onto the world scene til after the US civil War. They were highly isolationist and insular. They didn't like new ideas.

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>>43342687
Why not? She's just so bulliable.

>>43342767
KENNEDY IS AN ASSHAT COME TO KILL US VIA MURDER HE CLAIMS IS SELF-DEFENSE AFTER HE PROVOKES A FIGHT!

>>43342783
What do you mean?

>>43342665
Let's put it this way. IIRC, when designing a particular machine-gun (I want to say it was the 'woodpecker' MMG), Nambu et. al. studied the action of a foreign make of MG, one well-known for its reliability and good rate-of-fire... then deliberately designed *OUT* the portion of the extraction cycle that made it so reliable and fast-firing.

So, yeah. Some of Imperial Japan's engineers were pretty much fail all the way down.

>>43342767
First one was chewed up by a prop on takeoff, and the second suffered a critical existence failure in the face of a B-17 packed to the brim with enough explosives to level a city.

>>43342665
Combine India's caste system with SHAMEFUR DISPRAY HONURUBU. Everyone had their role in the grand scheme. If the entire damage control bucket brigade was incinerated in a blast, the rest of the crew would keep doing their thing.

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>>43342778

SO BE IT RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHH

>>43342767
Oh?

>>43342778
Well, you heard him. Time for a reminder.

>>43342770
I like Stalkers. But then again, I like Assault Mechs in general.

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>>43342767
Serious question, how many Pillowforts can fit in a B-52?

>>43342730
>>43342730
While I don't quite know the answer, what I do know is that their steel wasn't as strong as American (American steel was THE best in WWII).
Though this doesn't explain why the avgas was in the flight deck.
>tfw Kaga was wrecked by more than one fuel air explosion because of her avgas at Midway

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342517
>[ ] Office. Paperwork time.

>>43342770
I've never played mercs
Mechwarrior 3 is god-tier though.

>>43342674
That's why we need to do paper work now.
And someone needs to put Naka on suicide watch.

Sendai>Hayashimo

I'm just waiting for Tenryuu to show up asking Settle to teach her.

>>43342805
None, just run that shit over

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>>43342805

That depends. Does the B-52's cockpit come with an ashtray?

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>>43342770
stalker look like penis
goddamn battletech so dorky
neeeerds

>>43342805
Enough to level a few cities

>>43342792
>The Fubuki class has been described as the world's first modern destroyer.[2] The Fubuki class set a new standard not only for Japanese vessels, but for destroyers around the world. At a time when British and American destroyers had changed little from their un-turreted, single-gun mounts and light weaponry, the Japanese destroyers were bigger, more powerfully armed, and faster than any similar class of vessel in the other fleets. They remained formidable opponents to the end of World War II, despite being much older than many of their adversaries.[3]

>>43342796
Japan had two LMGs - The old one that was fed by rifle clips in a hopper, and the new one that was a Bren with all the good bits ripped out and a bayonet fixed.

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votes called

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>>43342773
She's a alcoholic enabler.

>>43342517
>[ ] Visit the destroyer's training.
We need a cuteness dose.

Apart from Willie, that is.

>>43342806
Kaga took 4 (possibly 5) bombs that not only ruptured her avgas storage and spilled it into her hangar, there was like a 100,000 pounds of ordnance caught within the ensuing fires. That she was still in one piece when all that kicked off is actually kinda amazing to think about.

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>>43342800
IT WILL BE GLORIOUS

>>43342845
So basically they invented super-DDs that was half way between a DD and a cruiser.

>>43342799
>If the entire damage control bucket brigade was incinerated in a blast, the rest of the crew would keep doing their thing.
Contrast to the USN, where the entire crew was DamCon. They drilled Damage Control into sailors before they learned how to tie their goddamn shoes.

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>>43342847
>The old one that was fed by rifle clips in a hopper

why did you fucking remind me that this existed

>>43342856
How cute!

>>43342796
How...how did this happen? Did Nambu study the western MMG and then just completely fail to understand how it worked?

Maybe it's because we modern folks have the benefit of hindsight while the Imperial Japanese had to make decisions without the benefit of said hindsight, but I keep getting the impression that the people who designed most of Japan's equipment were pants on head retarded at times. I'm well aware that Japan had a huge disadvantage in resources and resource quality (see: pulling around Zeros with oxcarts), but how do you end up designing such a shit gun or shit carrier?

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>>43342792
Fubuki. After she was launched, EVERYONE stole design aspects from her when they drew up their next destroyer class.

She's like Dreadnought, but for destroyers.

>>43342775

Honestly? I don't think there is any one book that really gets into it, at least not helps paint a comprehensive theory, which is what I've been working at.

Basically, Personally, I think it's a combination of how their culture was shaped for a bazillion years, their relative lack of resources, cherry-picking, and a healthy dose of master race complex. If I could suggest any three books, they'd be Kaigun, which is incredibly dry but covers the IJN's rise and fall- that is, from around 1900 or so to 1945, Shattered sword, about Midway, and Samurai Revolution, which kinda digs into that whole Samurai mindset and mythology.

But there's a whole lot of reading you'd need to do to really get at it beyond an incredibly simple single answer.

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>>43342823
How about, we give Naka some space, and let her compose herself and sort her thoughts out and let some of that despair out of her system.

Then, we can talk to her, and refuse to let her resign as our secretary.

Overall, this sounds like a much better plan than panicking and running to her screaming "NAKA Y U RESIGN AS SECRETARY".

What she needs, is our support and Settle trusting in her, not our pity or Settle babying her.

Have faith in the Naka-chan.

>>43342861
>Kaga took 4 (possibly 5) bombs that not only ruptured her avgas storage and spilled it into her hangar, there was like a 100,000 pounds of ordnance caught within the ensuing fires. That she was still in one piece when all that kicked off is actually kinda amazing to think about.

She wasn't, actually. The only wreckage of her they've found is a piece of her hangar wall, complete with the support and base of one of the deck gun tubs that was literally blown off of the ship when she brewed up. The piece is about the size of an average-sized suburban home.

She was literally blown apart.

>>43342880
Because the nambu still haunts your dreams

Anons, stop making me want to play a WW II strategy game where I get to design the ships!

HOI 3 is such a disappointment in that aspect.

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>>43342847
>rifle clips in a hopper

>>43342806
Japan always had shit quality iron. Historically speaking.

Everything about their blacksmithing was "how to make a decent weapon with shit quality iron/steel".

Unfortunately, they didn't have a couple of centuries to figure out the same with modern engineering and industry in mind.

>>43342880
Because it's a fact of history. And we must remember it so it doesn't get repeated.

>>43342895
Their arrogance was pretty out there.

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>>43342847
>rifle clips in a hopper
...what
Are you being literal here

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>>43342880
Because fuck you that's why.

>>43342847
No, I'm moderately sure that this was the heavy-ish tripod-mounted one, not an LMG. (The Type-92, if Google and Wikipedia are to be believed.)

>>43342831
Answer the question fuccuboi.
Show me the measurements and calculations too.

>>43342899
Wasn't she scuttled on the surface though?

Though it is possible she blew up underwater, hell Kirishima was possibly blown in half after hitting the ocean floor, soooooo....

>>43342895
So it's like the reason Arabs, as a whole, are shit at war. A systemic, cultural-level failure to grasp underlying pre-requisites that cannot be easily summarized.

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>>43342922

Behold.

>>43342928

Those are stripper clips dammit, there is nothing odd about those

>>43342917
It was so that the Infantryman and the Machinegunner could share ammunition and logistics. So if the MG ran out they could get the infantry to toss them a clip so they could do some damage.

>>43342922
We are being literal. Japanese WW2 weaponry makes the Italians look competent and well-funded.

And the Italians mostly had very bad gear.

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>>43342840
dishonorabru

How the heck did Japan win against China?

>>43342937

A ship can be blown apart without compromising the water tightness of the hull, anon. Her entire hangar was blown asunder, and then what was left of her, almost all of it burned damn near to the waterline.

To the WATERLINE, anon.

>>43342928
>no hands filming
Gun Wizard spotted.

>>43342898
Huh, I actually kind of agree like this.

Let her pull herself halfway together, then treat it as if she never resigned. We'll talk to her rationally and impress upon her the fact that she's needed.

For GOD'S sake, we need to make our position as the fleet's combined father/brother/husband official. It's the only way to handle shipgirls.

>>43342966
China's even less competent. At everything.

>>43342966
Because china was made up of peasant armies high on opium in the middle of a civil war.

>>43342966
Mate if you think the Japanese hardware was bad...

>>43342980
I am for this.

>>43342966
China can't do warfare.

>>43342966
China had no real domestic production, and was in a civil war with no real stable command structure

>>43342944

Can someone post that in /k/ somewhere?

I want to see if they can burn through the internet with their autism.

>>43342966
The Chinese were even worse off and in the middle of a civil war that was anything but.

That and the Japanese being complete and utter monsters capable of doing anything for an advantage.

>>43342966
China historically at that time was run by warlords of extremely low quality. They pretty much didn't have a central government and were very back water.

>>43342944
The FUCK is this SHIT!?

Who thought THIS was the face of warfare!?
How does the Feed Mecha...
How the fuck do you even hold that!?
WHY PLANEFAG!?
WHY!?

>>43342966
Because as bad as Japan was at war, China was even worse. Literally fielding peasant levies, by the thousands, armed with very large meat cleavers.

>>43342966
If the IJA was a clusterfuck, the Chicoms and the ROC were nothing less than unmitigated disasters
They'd already spent several years beating each other, and continued to do so as the IJA fucked their shit up

>>43342966
Wasn't China in the middle of a civil war at the time? The whole Nationalists vs Communists bit?

Not to mention, Japan actually modernized at that point, whereas China...

>>43342922

Yep. There's video of it, somewhere. You drop stripper clips into a hopper. There's an oiler for the ammunition involved. It's painful to look at, much less watch.

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>>43342966
>China
>Any serious army post-colonial era

>>43343011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9VQGht8CU

>>43342847
What's the Difference between the original Czech design, the Bren and the Japanese version?

>>43343033
>In other words they invented a box magazine with fucking tank treads inside
they whot, mate
I'm gonna need a source for that

>>43343016
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>>43342992
I thought the nationalists had German trained armies?

Still lost them quickly in Shanghai over a single bridge.

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>>43342944
>Those are stripper clips dammit, there is nothing odd about those
I didn't even know which /k/ webm I picked.

>>43343011
That's not including their heavy machine guns that require oil to run the fucking weapons properly, in the jungle... yeah.

>>43342944
>that stock
Was it intended to be wielded as a club?

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We need to summon best girl ever soon.

>>43343059
It would probably be more useful as one, so maybe.

>>43343012
That's not even the best part. There were reports that when some of the Japanese Troops fucking charged at chinese positions with their Katanas, because of course they would, the ensuing clashes saw those pieces of shit sword break on the cleavers.

>>43343044
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9VQGht8CU

IT'S WORSE THAN I IMAGINED

>>43343044
More based Ian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9SJYJy1xuU
Planefag don't watch this please

>>43343051
>KMT
>German trained
They couldn't train themselves how to do formation tactics, let alone actual warfare
They received training from the Slavs

>>43343033
Japan in WW2 is literally a comedy of horrors.

>>43343051
Yeah, and Chiang Kai-chek hoarded all the gear and well-trained troops away from the front with the Japanese, so he could fight the Communists.

He still lost. Meanwhile the Communists were actually fighting the Japanese.

>>43343077
Like I said, SHIT STEEL.

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>>43343051
>>43343099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_until_1941

>>43343077
Because Japanese troops were using Shin Gunto, not Katanas. Unless they actually came from a Samurai family that had somehow retained their ancestral Katana, they were just issued a piece of bent sheet metal with an edge ground onto it. All, and I mean *all* the remotely-good steel was earmarked for more important things than the egos of junior officers.

>>43343051
The only smart(ish) people was that was head of state was the Nationalist leader and the communist leader. The communist barely did a thing during the war, mostly kept their head down. While the Nationalist got the retarded Warlords to fight, if they didn't defect or did something stupid in the meantime, and kept their main army in reserve, and still lost.

Was the Chauchat really that bad?

I know the 30.06 version was bad but I heard the French ammunition was decent.

>>43343051
After Shanghai Chiang deliberately kept the surviving German trained regiments back. Partly so that he could use them to beat the Communists after the war and partly because he didn't want to waste them by throwing them to their deaths against the IJA again.

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>>43343111
>>43343128

>Chiang Kai-chek hoarded all the gear and well-trained troops away from the front with the Japanese

>>43343126
Open magazine. OPEN magazine in the trenches. Gun itself was more of a battle rifle since if it overheated it wouldn't have fired.

>>43343128
>>43343122
So both Jiang and Mao were assholes.

>>43343112
>Abusing your Stalkers
This should be a crime

>>43343077
I've fired an Arasaka my grandfather brought home from Iwo. The fucking bolt snapped in my hand.

>>43343126
It wasn't completely unusable, just worse than everything else at the time or that followed.

>>43343126
Open-sided magazine in a trench war.

Do the math.

>>43343148
It is no coincidence that both Taiwan and the Mainland only got better after they died.

>>43343128
>>43343122

So pretty much all that is fighting the nips were incompetent warlords or barely trained peasant levies?

How did they keep the Nips back from taking over the entire region?

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>>43343112
MWO's ammo explosions at least look pretty.

>>43343086
Wait till we tell you about Japanese Tanks.

>>43343126
Even the French Army hated the Chauchat.

Which was why it was long phased out in 1939.

>>43343148
Everyone was an asshole.

But Jiang and Mao were certainly their own specific brand.

>>43343148
Better than the warlords for sure but generally speaking yes. Then again if everyone's retarded what can you do.

>>43343164
Yup

>>43343151

Eh, the Awesome is better anyway.

>>43343168
Numbers

>>43343168
Incompetence, stretched supply lines, getting into a brawl with the USA, The Nambu... I'd Imagine

>>43343147
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>>43343162
Didn't they fix that eventually. Again, I heard the American version was bad but what about the French version that used the French Ammunition.

>>43343168
China has a hell of a lot of people, always has

>>43343168
>How did they keep the Nips back from taking over the entire region?

By virtue of having so much land that Japanese logistics couldn't keep up

Land wars in Asia, etc. etc.

>>43343160
Wasn't it lighted then the Lewis Gun? That is the only other light machine gun of the era (Besides the BAR)

>>43343168
Japs didn't have a holding force, so guess what? Communists from behind you making plans with the peasants. Then Bam, USA & Russia come in and Japs leave. Then Civil war again.

But really Japan was still actually pushing deeper into china as the war ended.

>>43343168
China's a *big* place and after a while it shifted to guerrilla warfare.

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>>43343206
>that webm
It's about as bad as those anti-gunfag images that circulate /k/ and /pol/.

>>43343185
it was serviceable enough, but by the end of the war it just wasn't good enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCwP3Dm52Ls

>>43343168
The Nips ran out of troops.

They literally couldn't hold any more ground. If they'd stretch out more, the Chinese would have overwhelmed them easily.

It didn't help that not a single local wanted to help the occupiers... on account of the Nips having done things so horrifying that the Nazis were horrified.

You know, whereas the Germans actually had a LOT of auxiliaries and allies to hold territory while their forces fought the big fights.

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>>43343182
They do different things, really. One's a sniper that can't do shit when you're one hex away from your enemy, and the other one is a classic 3/5 "walk at them" assault.
I like the BNC-3S better than both of them for both roles, to be honest.
Steiner stronk.

>>43343227
So guerrilla or terrorism warfare was as effective back then as now?

>>43343241
That's kinda the whole problem of being known as perpetuating "The Rape of Nanking", kinda makes people that hear about it not want to help you after the fact.

>>43343168
Land wars in Asia, coupled with the Japs being bad at war on the tactical, operational and strategic levels. When your occupation involves going around the countryside forcing any decent-looking women into gang-rape for your army, literally raping entire cities for the lulz, and spreading bubonic plague around to see what happens, it tends to instill a *lot* of fighting spirit in the enemy.

>>43343226
Being lighter doesn't count for much in mostly stationary warfare.

Also the MG 08/15 was a thing.

>>43343241
There is a reason a guy named John Rabe was loved by the Chinese.

>>43343241
How did the German get the occupied people to trust them enough to fight for them?

>>43343168
Not exactly. Some of those Warlords were fucking hardcore and balls out crazy.

Like it was a common tactic that some of them would defect to the IJA, take all their training and supplies they could get for being loyal soldiers and then defect back to China.

One of the most effective faction in China at the time were the Ma Clique of Warlords.These were Hui Chinese Walords who drained the IJA dry, it got especially bad when the Japanese tried to win the Hui over by telling them they would create a Muslim nation for them. That pissed all the Hui off and the Imams in China called for a true Jihad against the invading army.

And that's only one example.

The Guomintang did manage to hold the IJA back, through the blood of hundreds of thousands, but it was enough to stall the enemy's advance in pitch battle after pitch battle.

On the flip side, the Communists ruled the countryside, their guerillas and rebels in occupied regions trained by them rained merry hell on the Japanese supply lines, slowing down their offensive by months.

Also, China is Fuck Huge and has a Fuck Huge population. Japan was never going to conquer the place.

>>43343269
People like to call it skirmishing in the day, hell even the USA used it during the earlier years of the Revolution.

>>43343271

If the Japanese acted like normal colonial occupiers, like the British, they might of been able to hold onto a good portion of manchuria.

And possibly not be drawn into a war with the US too.

Speaking of China, it is interesting that one of the most well known foreigners in China is actually a Canadian doctor who volunteered to serve in China.

>>43343269

Didnt help that their tanks could be taken out by suicide soldiers rolling under them with grenades strapped to them.

>>43343290
By not raping their cities and only going after jews

>>43343269
It's never not been effective. If there's a way to attack an enemy without them attacking you back, it's going to work a hell of a lot better than anything else.

>>43343290

Antisemitism wasn't an uncommon opinion back then.

Plus promises of fame, fortune, strong leadership, etc etc.

>>43343290
Exploited existing attitudes against certain ethnic groups presented as a common enemy. Lotta people all over Europe at the time disliked Jews and Gypsies

>>43343290
Because it was either be sent to a Siberian gulag to be worked to death or join the Fascists.

>>43343290
Hey Jews go over here and hid behind the curtain. Hey you wanna fight? Yes? THEN LETS GO!

Hey Deme,

If continuing to write SWQ (and AWiY) would be such a brother to you due to open plot points among other things you have, would you be willing to allow another writefag to take over and continue in your steed? At least until it ends or you decide to bless it with words?

>>43343300
>Like it was a common tactic that some of them would defect to the IJA, take all their training and supplies they could get for being loyal soldiers and then defect back to China.

I am beginning to love these guys.

>Hui warlords
Wait, why are they pissed off that the nip will make a Muslim nation for them? Why is the Imams calling a jihad?

>>43343282
>MG 08/15
Huh, I didn't know it was a thing.

>>43343290
Killing only Jews and promises of fame and fortune. Also a lot of people hated Soviet Russia and were willing to join entirely to fight Russians. i.e The Finnish People

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>>43343339
No. Just no.

>>43343269
Guerilla tactics are the one of the few effective means of fighting a defensive war against a superior enemy. Instead of attacking his forces, you attack his ability to supply forces and hold territory.
Mind you, this differs from terrorism, which is the creation and exploitation of terror for political or diplomatic gains.
Guerilla warfare means attacking supply dumps and convoys instead of troop concentrations and important points in order to inhibit the enemys ability to field a fighting force. Terrorism means attacking morale (esp. non-combatants) in order to achieve some clearly-communicated end - 'The attacks will stop when these conditions are met'.

>>43343310
>>43343323
The funny thing is that Japan did try to do exactly that with the Hui. It just backfired, horribly. There's a reason why the governments of China just love to dote on them.

>>43343290
In addition to all other previously posted, a good number of the territories seized in the buildup to WWII and sometime immediately preceeding were Pre WWI German holdings or otherwise aligned. They had willing agent Provocateurs and Sympathetic ears already in those nations.

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>>43343237
oh damn pf did you play robits? will you come back to /mwog/ when pgi unfucks the
ahaha
ha

>>43343320
So occupied area's forces can rise up in the chain of command just as German soldiers?

>>43343339
Who the hell would want to write SWQ in his place?

>>43343290
There was a lot of fascist sympathies before the War. People saw it as an acceptable opposition to Communism.

Most of the foreign brigades fighting with the Wehrmacht were people who staunchly opposed Communism.

>>43343353
Anti-semitism was also an issue. Before we saw what the Nazis did.

Then, we realized what insanity we had allowed to happen.

Which is why open Antisemitism isn't really a thing anymore.

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>>43343374

Not precisely, but the propaganda said YOU COULD!

>>43343290
Because the Nazis were *extremely* good at propaganda and getting the plebes on their side.

>>43343246

The 3S isn't fucking terrible like the base model at least. Not that there's a whole lot of fucking options in the 95 ton weight class anyway though.

>>43343374
Well only if you met the Heer's/Volk's standards, if not hey SS has some openings. Yes the did indeed field people of different races.

Fap's missing start posting Eye-talian shipslut smut.

>>43343290
In the west through heavy anti-soviet propaganda in the east with the proof that the Soviets would kill and rape them simply out of revenge for not resisting to the death when the Germans invaded.

Lot of people hated the Soviets back then so it wasn't hard to get recruits against them.

The other part was joining the occupation army meant food, clothing, and benefits.

Though reserve line units often surrendered to the Western allies

>>43343339
>Deme
>Surrendering SWQ annd AWiY
>Or letting someone else write it
He's the only one who can keep those damn monsters in check. Anyone else would butcher them to death, not euthanize them like they deserve

>>43343392
>Which is why open Antisemitism isn't really a thing anymore.

Except in Europe and the middle east again.

Wonder what imports brought it back to Europe.

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>>43343313
>a Canadian doctor who volunteered to serve in China
Yeah, who brought over revolutionary ideas like "Trying to save people's lives"

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>>43343373
Are you fucking joking? He doesn't have a computer that could even run it, all he fucking does is play memelands.

>>43343373
>Going into that cesspit of autism
>ever
Shut up Haruko/Greg/Pizzadog/Vass/whothefuckever

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>>43343414
I have something better...

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>>43343049
Sorry messed up the picture the first time.

This is the only photo I can find on the net of this particular gun. Unfortunately it doesn't have an inside view of the magazine. I have a book in my lap which does, but the picture is a technical line diagram from the Bureau of Ordnance. It's not hosted online and is probably buried in a microfilm archive somewhere. Anyway you'll have to take my word for it.

The way the magazine works is like this. The magazine is shaped like a wedge of cheese, the stripper clips are oriented vertically inside. Each stripper clip is actually a link on a belt which rolls along the wide edge of the magazine. The round end of the magazine contains a coiled up spring which drives a paddle shaped follower that pushes the stripper clips inwards towards the gun. At the feet lips there is this little comb shaped feeding arm that reciprocates up and down, dragging each set of 5 cartridges off of the clip one by one. As each clip empties the track rotates over one slot and the cycle repeats.

In essence, it's an unholy abomination of a box magazine with tank treads made out of stripper clips inside.

The picture I'm looking at comes from a book called "Flying Guns: World War II", page 184. It's a great book, highly recommend it. I bought it because of SWQ

>>43343413
>>43343402
Anyone got that "Embrace Diversity" image?

Thank you /tg/. I am always surprised we have so many knowledgeable about the Asian war theater.

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>>43343339
rejected

>>43343346
Because the Hui saw themselves as being Chinese First and Muslims seconds. Their loyalty to China was absolute.

Like just to give you a history, the Hui were the Praetorian Armies of the Ming Emperors who helped establish the Ming. When the Qing came, the Hui were the last ones to submit to the new dynasty and fought a bloody war for decades to reinstall Han Rule.

And now these fucking Invaders who came in slaughtering so many wanted to buy their loyalty and have them turn on their beloved country and countrymen? No Fuck Them.

>>43343468
Internet

>>43343460
>I have a book in my lap which does, but the picture is a technical line diagram from the Bureau of Ordnance.
Do you have the title? I know a guy who might want to learn about this.

>>43343413
Ithought SS was hardcore white power?

>>43343126
It was generally agreed that the best feature of the Chauchat was that, when disassembled, its parts could be used to make a still.

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>>43343413
The SS and Germans were rather... open towards recruits by the end of the war.

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>>43343468
It's a fap angel thread. What did you expect?

>>43343479
I mostly read books on that subject, actually.

>>43343478
Damn, that is loyalty alright.

Do they support the communist now? Or are they the one that is driving SUVs into people in BeiJing?

>>43343468
PF's audience is an unholy mashup of /a/, /k/ and /tg/.

>>43343507
>We don't live in a world where the US dropped the Bat Bomb on the japs
Why even live

>>43343478
So like if a Pope tried to declare a crusade uprising in America

>>43343487
1-2-3 Divisions were mainly WHITES. They had sub battalions? Brigades? Shit like that. Fuck they had Russians Whites recruits, but they didn't use them. Irish too and Muslims.

>>43343432
Yeah, we'll have to deal with that again.

>>43343424
I remember that Eisenhower, upon being informed of the first death camp found and liberated by American troops, immediately rushed to the scene and, having arrived, called all available journalists and cameramen there.

He told them : "Record everything. Everything. Because in 10 years time, some damn fool will try to tell us it never happened."

>>43343487
The SS were a death cult focused on their Aryan supremacy.

The Waffen SS were simply elite divisions, which technically were supposed to be composed solely of SS... but often recruited everyone available with the skills for them.

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You bid Hate farewell and make for the office. As much as you'd like to watch DesDiv 6 run from Sammy's mad, diabolical laughter like a school of fish fleeing a tiger shark, you know there will be hell to pay after last night - it's time to pay the piper. Willie is clinging to your arm so hard that you don't even try to send her off to practice - it sounds like Sammy gave her enough excitement for a while.

Besides, after the look Hayashimo gave you, you're in the mood for some... uh, escort.

Your office is still the same box-cluttered mess it was yesterday - soon you need to unpack and properly move in. You plop down in your chair and find your inbox full of inquiries from pretty much everyone, but the e-mail from Admiral Thomas catches your attention first. As far as you're concerned, Admiral Thomas is God, (and SecNav is the PR manager who hired him.) God gets top billing. You double-click on it to find a very simple message.

“Received report about last night's scuffle. AAR in my inbox by 0800.

Yesterday.”

He didn't bother signing it. You wince, and open up the word processor.

>>43343487
They were pragmatists first, at least at the highest levels. The Arabs had oil and the capacity to make life more difficult for the British, so they got to be honorary master race, same with the Japanese as well as any willing blacks, slavs, turks, whatever

>>43343460
And the Type 11 LMG was even worse. Same kind of setup, but an open fucking hopper.

>>43343494

Generally as long as you were not a Jew, Gypsie or communist Nazi Germany was kinda open.

Or a slav. But all of them are commies anyways.

>>43343487
Not as such? They were hardcore anti-jew, anti-bolshevik.

The SS incorporated all the foreign volunteers; French in SS-Charlemagne division, Belgian and Dutch and Scandies and Turkmen and Carpathians, a Bosnaik Muslim Legion, and all sorts

Hell, the Wehrmacht had an Indian expat unit.

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Thirty minutes later you're just going over the email one last time before hitting “send” when something rattles at the door. You find Willie entering, very, very gingerly pushing a small cart with an insulated coffee carafe on it. You give her credit for smart thinking; her luck doesn't seem to gell with anything less stable.

“H-here,” Willie says, pushing it close enough that you can serve yourself. She returns to her station sitting on a box near you, where she tries to turn invisible.

“Something wrong, Willie?”

She shakes her head.

“Any reason you're hanging out with me today? Not that I mind, of course.”

She shakes her head.

“Well, stick around then. Naka's... out sick today. You can be my secretary.”

Willie looks stricken. “I uh, I d-d-on't know how to type-”

“Ha!” you reply. “I just need someone to help me unpack, today.” You lever out of your chair with a groan - your legs are killing you all over again, but the edge is preferable to the dull ache that drags your mind away from the sterile emails on your monitor. “God knows I've got enough shelves, I just need to get the books up there.”

Willie helps you open up box after box of books, sliding them onto the shelves according to rough category - naval battles of the Civil War, a book or three on Salamis, and even a treatise on the CSS Hunley. You follow after her and adjust their positioning a bit, grouping by author or time period as your eclectic preferences dictate.

You're halfway through when someone raps at the door even as they open it. “Sup Skipper?”

“Harder? Don't just stand there, come on in.”

“I already am in.”

“That's my point, dinkwaffle.”

>>43343534
Basically if Japan invades US and the pope declared a crusade against the nips.

>>43343542
>The SS were a death cult focused on their Aryan supremacy.
Yeah, but a good chunk of SS line members were in it to fuck over Communists, Jews, Gypsies, Homogays and other undesirables. The ideologues would have happily died for Hitler, but the thugs were just in it for state-sanctioned mass violence.

>>43343485
it literally says in his post

>>43343460
>>43343485
Whoops, should have been more specific. THAT picture in my post is from wikipedia. The internal schematic I mentioned is from the book, I got my copy from Amazon.

It doesn't go into huge detail about the gun itself, it just has two pictures of that one machinegun on a page talking about IJA fighters and bomber aircraft.

>>43343515
The ones you are thinking off are the Uighurs who are a complete different set of people. They, and Tibetans too, fucking hate the Hui, because historically, the Hui and the Han would work together to kick their shit in whenever a conflict started.

And yeah, the Hui support the PRC and the PRC in return support them. Like not even kidding, the government gives them tens of millions every year to build Mosques, and they are basically the only ones who can do that. Plus, culturally speaking the Hui are one of the most beloved minorities on the Mainland, and tend to get the best jobs.

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Harder snorts. He takes a small stack of books from under his arm and hands them back to you. “Came to return these.”

“Man, you read fast,” you comment, sorting through the returned paperbacks.

“Not really, Skip. They're kids books.”

“Mmmhmm,” you say, taking 'Mouse and the Motorcycle' and setting it on top of a bookshelf for safekeeping - and well out of sight, too. “Still good, though.”

“True...” Harder pauses before handing you the last one back - a fantasy anthology. “Do you remember this one?”

You look at it blankly. “Can't say I do.”

“... Bear at the Ga-”

“Oh, with Henry!?” Harder nods, his face serious. “Yeah. The only reason I saved it at all.”

“Yeah. I can understand that,” Harder says quietly. “But... why did you save the rest of it?”

You shrug. “Loved those books more than life itself when I was a kid. Stories like that one about the teddy bear really shaped me, in some ways. Taught me things, you know? Things grown men can spend years trying to learn. Always thought I'd have kids of my own to hand them down to.”

Harder looks a bit embarrassed. “Oh.”

You smirk at him. “Guess I did, at that.”

“Eat shit and die in a fire made of salt-encrusted razor wire.”

“... a fire?”

“Don't gimme that shit, nobody bats a thousand!”

Your mild reparte is interrupted by the sound of squeaky wheels going weekiweeekiweekiweeki down the hall at an accelerating pace. You and Harder glance at each other, but you leap for the door as one man when the battle cry comes floating down the hall-

“TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATIME TEEEEEIIIIIITOOOOOKUUUUUUUU!”

>>43343542
>The Waffen SS were simply elite divisions,
No, The Waffen-SS was the name for the entire military arm of the SS. It wasn't any special "Elite" unit.

Stop blathering about shit you've only learned from hollywood and videogames.

>>43343555
>AAR

What is this?

>>43343561
You mean the Hui right?

>>43343620
After Action Report

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THAT'S IT FOR TODAY BECAUSE IT'S 12PM AND I'M TIRED AND SHIT! Standby for more writeups, including one from one of THP's primer writefags, returned to the /t/ouhou/g/ames board of his forefathers to shitpost in harmony with us!

>>43343620

"After Action Report."

>>43343620
After Action Report

>>43343620
After Action Report - Basically Settle is explaining in full
>Wat do, how do, why do

>>43343620
It means After Action Report.

>>43343601
>Always thought I'd have kids of my own to hand them down to.”
>Harder looks a bit embarrassed. “Oh.”
>You smirk at him. “Guess I did, at that.”

Aww~

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>>43343601
>our face when

>>43343634
>PM

>>43343634
Cheers boss

>>43343586
Pretty much, yeah.

>>43343612
Technically true, technically still answered to Werhmach High Command, except when they didn't because Hitler was throwing a fit...

The Waffen SS were special.

>>43343644
Yeah, it was pretty good.

>>43343634
Wait, who?

>>43343634
all we did was wake up and eat breakfast, goddamn it planefag

>>43343601
Do you have the wrong admiral Kongou?

>>43343555
>As far as you're concerned, Admiral Thomas is God, (and SecNav is the PR manager who hired him.)

Wait, Thomas or Greenert?

>>43343649
>Not naming it goto.jpg

>>43343596
Are the Uighurs the same as the Chechens?

>>43343620
After-Action Report. AKA "WTF happened? Who did what, when, how, and why? IN MAXIMUM POSSIBLE DETAIL for best understanding of how to make sure nothing goes this wrong EVER AGAIN."

>>43343634
And good night. Get some rest, man.

>>43343664
Yeah, and it's still a lot of progress for a Wednesday.

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>>43343634
>“TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATIME TEEEEEIIIIIITOOOOOKUUUUUUUU!”

>lol, end! watch this train wreck next time!

Well played.

Well played, you colossal faggot.

>>43343634
So what was the salient points of that email from Admiral Thomas then?

>>43343671

Only if Persians are the same as Arabs, anon.

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I fixed my previous piece for all the good it will do me.

You can find it here:
http://pastebin.com/WBjsGu9y
Full pastebin is here:
http://pastebin.com/u/_Central

>>43343671
They're treated the same by their respective government (i.e. Like shit), but no, they're a completely different ethnic group of Muslims.

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>>43343662
>The Waffen SS were special.

"Special" in the same way the Fallschirmjäger and Luftwaffe felddivisions and Marine-Grenadiers and fuck all else technically answered to OKB Berlin.

i.e Not special at all. The idea that they were some mythical independent elite force is postwar obfuscation.

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So we had to explain how drunk we were?

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>>43343664
>all we did was wake up and eat breakfast, goddamn it planefag

It is not my fault that anon is stupider than a sack of fucking hammers running in the Special Olympics after signing a recruiting contract without reading it first.

>“So you see someone closing to point-blank range deliberately, despite having a longer-ranged weapon, well, you know they're out to put blood on the walls. And that usually scares people.

OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH MORON HERE COMES THE MOTHERFUCKING AIRPLANE VROOOOOOOOOOOM

NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP SO I CAN POST THIS FUCKING WRITEUP JESUS CHRIST

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>>43343355
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>>43343451

>He wants Deme to turn to Child Services
>Much Hatred ensues

This is why I love this concept of followers and a community. You all are such great people.

>>43343473

>I'm on a mobile mini handheld computer

I do suppose I should go away... but there's updates to be had.

>>43343671
Chinese equivalent to Chechens. Muslim ethnic subgroup, perpetually oppressed, don't officially exist.

>>43343671
Naw, different ethnicities. The Uyghurs are a Turkish offshoot while the Chechens are Nakhs.

>>43343721
More or less. We have to explain everything that happened that may have lead up to the event and why we did those things.

>>43343725
Or in other words:
Yes. Yes, we were just like Sammy last night

>>43343721
I imagine Settle didn't mention exactly how much he'd imbibed, but his report probably would have included the words 'I was somewhat intoxicated' or 'I was less than completely sober'.

>>43343704
... I don't even

>>43343729
I don't read SWQ and KCQ because I want to hear about teenage girl parading around in their panties, I do it because planefag is a hell of a writer. Take him away, and I lose interest.

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>>43343704
Not this shit again

>>43343725
Have you considered not actually giving us retarded options?

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>>43343729
We're all here for Mr. Demetrious' wild ride
Forever

>>43343812
>m-muh player agency

>>43343704
Nope not this shit again

>>43343823
>Implying we have any of that.

>>43343812
Have you considered that you are probably more retarded than any of the options presented?

>>43343704
I'm well aware of that pseudoscientific report, written by a man utterly non-qualified in such matters who falsified his results and illegally obtained samples to reach his desired conclusion.

>>43343720
Pretty much. The other fellow didn't seem to agree.