If caped and masked superheroes existed, what kind of laws would be passed in regards to them? Beneficial or detrimental.
They would need a license to use their powers, they would need to declare their powers whenever they enter another country. Shit like that. Aside from that the same laws would apply.
Pay taxes on secret headquarters. Underage sidekicks are illegal, as it counts as child endangerment.
>>42349571>Need a license to use their powers>You don't NEED to be able to throw cars or fire energy blasts from your hands>Just let the super villain take what he wants
>>42349533Love your picture, OP.Anyway, I think they'd be banned from partecipating in wars, branded as weapons of mass destructions in certain cases.
Superheroes secret identities count as a full ID for legal purposes. This way they can witness in court cases without revealing who they are.
>>42349633You throw my car and I'll sue the balls off of you.
>>42349664I only throw cars if they are already destroyed. Usually.
>>42349533Law passed that says they're free to use their powers as long as they operate within the law. I mean, even real life has some laws in place to give people leeway if they're saving people's lives. If they want to be able to do things police do, they'll want to go through the tests to get a license. This acts as a way to screen people and watch for potential problems, while also giving heroes actual government backing and legal accountability.
>>42349657Wouldn't jury duty take a ton of time out of being able to superhero around??
>>42349533Registered Heroes with Superhero Licences would have a program set up to receive funding for their activities via sponsorship from companies.
>>42349678I don't think he meant jury duty. More like, "You brought in this criminal. We need you to show up in court and tell us what you saw them do."
>>42349674I wonder how that would work for special cases, such as hostage situations. Would they be allowed to get into that or will they have to wait for SWAT like every other cop? How are they supposed to know when they can or cannot go in?
>>42349697Wouldn't it get kinda suspicious if this one dude keeps showing up as a witness in supervillian cases? I'm sure supervillians would watch this stuff for any info they can get.
>>42349673Good luck proving in court that my car was already scrap, motherfucker.
>>42349703Honestly, some Superheroes would basically BE the SWAT response.>>42349710You miss the point, that dude is testifying AS their superhero persona, they don't have to reveal who they are.
>>42349533Go watch The Incredibles
>>42349713Not the guy you replied to, but all I can think of is a body cam catching the hero dodging a car thrown at them, then throwing it back.
>>42349710I think they go there fully costumed, to avoid that.>>42349713Oh and by the way, I kind of tripped the giant rogue criminal into your house. Sorry about that.
>>42349674As an aside, I love the idea of new heroes getting assigned to teams with veteran supervisors before they're able to go off on their own. Makes for good RPG fodder and a good place to start unlikely superteams.>>42349703Yeah, obviously some things would need to be ironed out. Real legal documents are a minefield of exceptions and sub-clauses that is difficult to model in fiction if you're not deep into Law.That said, I think of it more as government-funded superteams with supervisors and a duty to report what they do on a regular basis. Just like ordinary superheroes but with more paperwork and occasional legal hangups. Keep the fun while also being able to handwave some realism.
>>42349719Why? All that did was completely ban superheroes in a complete copy of Watchmen.
>>42349731>Oh and by the way, I kind of tripped the giant rogue criminal into your house. Sorry about that.WITNESS THE BIRTH OF YOUR NEW NEMESIS!
>>42349718>>42349731Yeah, read it a second time, realized it was talking about the super side of the person, not the normal side.How would it work with people who go public with who they are?
>>42349718>Honestly, some Superheroes would basically BE the SWAT response.I can dig that, but how would the cops know what the fuck is going inside. There should be some line of communication between the supers and regular run-of-the-mill cops. Cooperation on such delicate matters is really important.
>>42349739I like how banning superheroes meant nearly all high-profile metahuman activity stopped completely until Syndrome started acting up, when prior to those cases we had villains everywhere. I love the movie, but I don't really think it's a good model for realism. I mean, did you SEE Syndrome's hair?
>>42349743Those people would have a tough time having anything remotely resembling a personal life, for one thing.>>42349748Telepathy/Radios would be used for all on-duty superheros.
>>42349742Oh boy, here we go!This will be fun: let's have delightful fights, anon.
This thread kinda reminds me that I'd like to play a game based on Alan Moore's Top 10 sometime, where everyone in the entire setting have superpowers and wear tights. Even the vermin. It's Cops with superpowers.
>>42349757Yeah, it's like the villains were just there to give the heroes something to do.Unless Syndrome's robot was initially tested out on all the villains before he started on the heroes...
>Power registration and licensing >Mask and hood ban in public>Mandatory minimum sentencing for vigilante related crime>Definitions of assault and the line between it and self-defence are blurred to allow for more diverse sentencing>Community service for aiding vigilantes >Investigation by police for publicly supporting vigilantes
>>42349758Well, people like that are usually attention/cam whores or people who didn't think it through.
>>42349533>If caped and masked superheroes existed, what kind of laws would be passed in regards to them? Beneficial or detrimental.They would be illegal in France.http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/01/world/europe/france-burqa-ban/
Would superheroes themselves be capable of getting insurance?
>>42349808No one would want to insure them.
>>42349758I love the thought of a superhero duking it out with a supervillain and just casually talking.>What I saw? Oh yeah, I saw Johnny wander inside the bank with a *BAM* SON OF A BITCH!>*CRASH!*>where were we? Oh yes, with a revolver in his right hand, therefore I changed in the bathroom and punched him in the face once I got back. >*BOOM*>WHERE THE HELL DID HE GET ALL OF THAT C4?!And so on.
>>42349773This is adorable. It assumes that literal gods would have no bargaining power in this negotiation, and the government could simply mandate to the Justice League what it wants and they'd do it.The reality of course is that unless these guys are street level supers, the government is quickly going to develop into a symbiotic relationship with the supers, or they're going to get BTFO by the government that did."Mr President, we've banned superheroes from practicing their powers in public.">"And?""Half the superheroes didn't listen, there's riots in the streets, and Super Sultan just blew up all our bases in Iraq and Iran with heat beams.">"Well...fuck."
>>42349817>>42349808>implying that's now how money-powered heroes like Not!Batman or Not!Ironman would get their powers from
>>42349829What, Insuring Superheroes?That'd lose you money.
Does flying supers have to check with air control, so that they don't interfere with air traffic?And who pays for all the collateral damage? Not just from fights, but also from powers like tunneling and stuff.Also, why have nobody mentioned The Tick and Mystery Men yet?
>>42349835Especially life insurance, with the way they refuse to stay dead.
>>42349848Well, Imagine a superhero setting where Resurrection is impossible.
If you pulled off a super's mask, would they die?
There would be a tax payer funded "hero insurance" where if a superpowered person destroys your shit governments would pay to replace it. At least in civilized countries.Superheroes would have sponsors, and like NASCAR drivers their clothing would be plastered with advertisement and sponsors, well at least the superheros known for not causing mass destruction while still being effective.Obligatory superpower register, have to pay additional liability taxes for using them.Would have to pay into a different kind of 'hero insurance' to pay for when they destroy propertyLawyers are even more in demand and better paid than they already are.
Would the children, adopted or otherwise, of supers be automatically put on a super registry?
>>42349822>This is adorable. It assumes that literal gods would have no bargaining power in this negotiation, and the government could simply mandate to the Justice League what it wants and they'd do it.>>The reality of course is that unless these guys are street level supers, the government is quickly going to develop into a symbiotic relationship with the supers, or they're going to get BTFO by the government that did.>>"Mr President, we've banned superheroes from practicing their powers in public.">>"And?">>"Half the superheroes didn't listen, there's riots in the streets, and Super Sultan just blew up all our bases in Iraq and Iran with heat beams.">>"Well...fuck.">Right, fine. Let's fix that>cue El Presidente enforcing some constitution with his billion-ton right hook to the faceDon't tell me people wouldn't elect Not!Superman.
>>42349822It depends a lot on what kind of power level this world is on. In a world like Watchmen, where the vast majority of all vigilantes are just mortal, powerless humans in suits, you can regulate. If it's like Marvel, where a certain percent of people are born with amazing powers and there are literal gods walking among us, it's trickier.
>>42349859Depends on whether the superpowers of their parents is genetic.
>>42349859Depends on if this is a setting where superpowers are genetically inheritable and/or is something people are just born with or not.
>>42349765>Wretched Egg is the heroI'm a go skip town. Good fucking luck with that shit.
>>42349713Easy as hell, home skillet. Got the adjuster's report about your car being totaled out by your insurance provider and everything.Checkmate, flatscan.
How would a setting where superheroism is a legit full time job even if you're not a billionaire work, anyway? Are there any where superheroes actually charge for their services, or are funded by a kind of "superhero tax"?
>>42349867>The President of the United States is a super hero.That's hilarious and horrifying. Even better concept, what if the sheer office of being President conferred superpowers? Wouldn't that be a riot?The Trump builds a wall with his bare hands like Gilgamesh or something.The Sanderman gives free education by beaming knowledge into people's heads.Obamadon actually killed Bin Laden himself.
>>42349611>pay taxes>on a secret baseNot very secret if the IRS knows about it, m8.
>>42349901Tbh they'd probably make money for appearances, like a lot of old politicians and celebrities work.That and Kickstarter.
>>42349748Pretty much every version of DC's Legion of Superheroes had at least one Liaison with the Science Police.
>>42349713Idea: superpowered lawyer with psychometric powers, who specializes in reading objects to see if they were really destroyed by accidents, and who's to blame.
>he thinks laws can regulate space demigodsNice try, pleb
>>42349907Look mate, even secret cosmic headquarters on the dark side of the moon can't escape the IRS.>>42349911More like Patreon.
>>42349901My superhero is renowned for collateral damage. He's getting better though: he just started his career, give him some slack!So as a little thing on the side, if he accidentally breaks cars or houses, he'll help with the reconstruction of said buildings by taking away the debris and just working as a construction worker. He's pretty good at it, since he's a construction worker, when he's not in his costume.I just hope they don't start calling him Mr Collateral.
>>42349907It's bureaucracy, it doesn't have to make sense.
>>42349822>Super Sultan just blew up all our bases in Iraq and Iran with heat beams.>Super Sultan>Kryptonian child raised by humble Syrian farmers or some shitDelicious
The first thing that comes to mind is Worm (a delicious online read exactly on said topic). The laws would depend from country to country and they'd not be too restrictive as each country'd need the heroes to fight any villans. And for insurances and such, the heroes would have their own marketing department and sponsors (imagine Superman flying with a Pepsi logo on). And this gets trickier when you have suppers with powers that affect laws them-selfs. I think any laws that would be there, would be just a smoke screen to make the civilians think that the parahumans are not running out of control.
>>42349911In Mystery Men, at least one professional superhero is sponsored by companies, so he has their logos all over his suit. I kinda get the feel that's pretty standard in that world.
>>42349923>>42349932>Be supervillain on the dark side of the moon>Just another hour till your doom-laser eliminates the world puppy supply.>Suddenly you hear KNOCKING on the space door.>Couple of guys in suits telling you you're under arrest for tax evasion.>A truck pulls up out of nowhere and starts hauling away your moon base.
>>42349929Thor was a construction worker once, during Simonson's run, when Nick Fury convinced him that adopting a civilian persona would be hella sweet.
>>42349956I'd totally read a story about the Super IRS and Super Lawyers. Not even joking.
>>42349956>Fear the Unstoppable Justice of...THE TAX MAN>Taste the Fury of his mighty AUDIT FORCE>Tremble Before The Sheer Power of his TAX LIENS
>>42349963I didn't know that, actually. I should read up on some comics!
>>42349757Well, I always thought it was the case that, without superheroes, the mundane military/police had to step in. If your only superpower is throwing around bombs, then you're not gonna be doing that anymore, when instead of Mr. Incredible socking you in the jaw and sending you to Jail, a SWAT team breaches in and blows your head off.
>>42349919Psychometry isn't legally admissible.
>>42349932i'm gonna reuse that
Telepathic IRS agent who knows if you're cheating on your income taxes.Psychometric insurance agent, who knows if you wrecked your car on purpose.Banker who can see the future, and tell if you'll actually be able to repay that loan or not.
>>42349974>>42349965Can you imagine it? They'd be superheroes who dress business formal [except on fridays], and act overly professional and slightly quirky to the villains. Just knock on their door, Doctor Destructer opens it."Hello sir my name is Mir Goldstein, this is my associate Mr Fibs.">They all shake hands"Sir are you aware you open the government millions in backtaxes on doomsday devices and unnecessarily slow dipping mechanisms?">"Uh, well.""Yeah thats what I thought, take it away!"And then the third guy in the group, the Repo Man, pulls up in a truck and just attaches a chain to the entire villain plot/doomsday device/giant robot of the week and hauls it off.That'll be how every episode ends, Mr Goldstein yells "Take it away!" and the Repo Man confiscates the plot to pay for damages.
>>42349929Shit bro, you gotta be careful with that secret ID stuff.Like, if it gets out you're a construction working fixing the stuff he wrecks as a superhero, there might be some conflict of interest bullshit accusations.
>>42349994Even in a world where everyone knows that superpowers are real? See, this is why we need laws to regulate superpowers.
>>42350018No, no don't worry: if he wrecks something as a superhero, he fixes it as a superhero. It's part of his PR shtick. When he works incognito, he usually doesn't need to work where his superhuman-identity worked.
>>42349963Wasn't Colossus originally a farm worker as well?I think he used his powers to demolish buildings in the Xmen cartoon.
>>42349994Doesn't have to be, but it can be used to locate evidence that IS legally admissable.>>42350022Nah, it makes sense for psychometry to not be legally admissible, since it's basically hearsay and probably easy to fake. Same goes for telepathy.
>>42350049Of course they wouldn't just say "I saw that you wrecked your car yourself in a vision", they'd actually try to find physical evidence of it. But it would tip them off that something was fishy.
>>42349907>Not very secret if the IRS knows about it, m8.Anon please. The IRS has caught more large-scale drug traffickers than the FBI simply because they're the vengeful arm of The Jew incarnate.
>>42349994Well, you'd have a psychometry specialist, as well as a triumvirate of people who detect lies/falsehoods to prevent him from lying.
How do you force an alien champion of justice and good to pay taxes on his underground base, anyway?
>>42349978Simonson's Thor was the raddest shit, Anon.
>>42350014>That'll be how every episode ends, Mr Goldstein yells "Take it away!" and the Repo Man confiscates the plot to pay for damages.Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand this is where anon for the 100th time vowed to learn animation.
>>42350107You ask nicely. Or you send another alien champion of justice or two to go ask nicely.
>>42350094See, the superpowered bureaucracy is growing on its own now. It's beautiful.
>>42350049>he thinks hearsay is never admissibleYou poor bastard
>>42350014Fuck, I NEED to read this comic now.
>>42350114The first major arc culminates with the revelation that a dastardly villain has been buying up all this repossessed hardware and villain real estate on the cheap at public sales, and has repurposed it into a huge network of mayhem somehow.
>>42350139There's a side-plot where an alien superhero claims that his base is an embassy, so primitive earth laws and taxes don't apply to him.
>>42350158Do embassies need to pay taxes? I've never really thought about that. Gotta look that up.
>>42350158Don't forget the evil Libertarian League, hellbent on destroying the Tax Men and all that they stand for.
>>42350122Hell, Psychometry can help a lot of detective work.
>>42350022>>42350049Yea I think it would be like illegally obtained recordings being used as sole evidence. Can happen, can also easily get thrown out of court.
>>42350174Monaco and other tax paradises are practically covered with secret lairs and fortresses of justice.
Justice League style? Not a damn thing. When people with the powers of Supes, Manhunter, Green Lantern and Wonder Woman are rolling around, fucking up your super criminals, all you can do is not complain and hire a Luthor-type to build countermeasures.More mundane? Crack the fuck down on vigilante activity, demonize them in the media, then reach out a hand to recruit them into various groups and study them. Mutant Registration Act and Fifty State Initiative are a go.
>>42349533One of the biggest things would be the secret ID would not exist. I don't think it would be possible to be an active super hero and retain a secret ID considering the level of monitoring that goes on. You would get busted pretty fast.There would be super types as part of every police force (likely special bonus/qualification pay). Most of those super hero guys would follow that instinct to protect and join the police. Very few are going to try and hold down two jobs - mundane and superering.Vigilantes, other than those acting on impulse of the moment to help, would likely be rare. They would also likely be covered by good Samaritan style laws, rather than prohibitions. Consider, that in most universes it takes a super to stop a super. All it would take is a few reports of 'good' supers not acting for fear of legal action and the resulting destruction to turn public opinion.
>>42349533Like so many other anons have said; the devil is in the details.I imagine that most attempts at forcibly registering and/or conscripting any kind of supers would backfire horribly. Carrot-approaches though - turning super-heroes into professionals, trained and licensed by the state, paid either by the government or by corporate sponsors - would work very well.The Aberrant RPG, for all its flaws, makes an interesting point; most people, when given superpowers, would probably happily settle for a fat wage from a corporate sponsor to use their power for mundane purposes, while serving as a mascot.Who would bother robbing a bank for a few dozen grand when you can make a million a night fighting in the XWF pay-per-view cage fights? Many times the pay, a fraction of the risk, completely legal, and all the fame you could ever want.If you want to be a superhero, why roam around stopping small-time crooks, mobsters and drug dealers, saving a few dozen lives, when you could save thousands of lives fighting warlords or working disaster relief or just building up infrastructure?
>>42349719And like every other stupid example of that trope, the super villains and 'I need rescue' situations suddenly went away as well.In reality the government bans, or even just deters, supers and the villains are going to run the show. In short order the politicians that suggested a super hero ban are going to be out of jobs.
It would end like the comic books. With the registration act there's a huge divide between those who believe that they should all be registered and there secret identities give to the public along with all the people being able to kill their family members now and the ones who want to keep their families and friends safe and don't want to register. Many die and nothing really resolved except five dozen less super heroes being able to save people because the government was being a dumb fuck.
>>42350804>it would end like the comic books>cites shitty modern cape story arcFor shame, Anon. For shame. Civil War was awful.
>>42350804Or more likely the (or just one of) the super bad guys not being opposed and taking over the country/world.The stupid thing about the registration line was that it was functionally a demand for supers to stop protecting normals from things that only supers can stop. This in a world where it is routinely demonstrated that these bad guys can and would take over the world (destroy it, whatever) if they had not been opposed by the good guys.Before we had super registration we would have mandatory death penalties for super villains. Before we had registration we would have a public mandate for the government to develop more power than the supers.
>>42350845Yeah. Never read the book but if the government tried a registration like that, lots of people would stop being heroes because they'd have to register and the criminals they imprisoned would now have access to their identities a DM eventually the names and locations of their family and friends with some research. Not a very good idea, also iron man is worst super hero.
>>42350867>Before we had registration we would have a public mandate for the government to develop more power than the supers.SENTINELS, SON
>>42350923Yeah, but those sentinels did fuck all for good and just murdered mutants.
>>42350804>secret identities given to the publicWhere did anyone mention that?>all the people being able to kill their family membersIf you look at criminal cases, that rarely happens at all. Very few people are willing to risk a fast death sentence for killing unarmed, often underage civilians without actually killing their enemy. It also escalates the conflict - if you try to go toe-to-toe with Joe Superhero right away, you might win because the odds aren't as high. He might let you go if he wins, or he might leave himself open because he hasn't got insight into how serious you're being about it. If you kill his family first, he likely won't stop before he's found you and taken every possible measure to make sure your death is at least twice as painful.>keep their families and friends safe by not registeringAgain, you're instantly assuming that the government will leak data to the public that can be indispensable in national security as well as being a database of potential hires. That's not a sound assumption.>because the government was a dumb fuckOkay, now I see. You're a libertarian, and your grammar is elementary-school level. Because the only alternative to letting people with massive destructive potential run around freely with no information or countermeasure against their powers instantly means that the government will publicize potentially vital information just to make it available to criminals - who're completely made out of evil and will put themselves at risk of a death sentence or a horrible death at the hands of a bereaved super just to be gratuitously vicious to someone.There's a middle ground, you know. Require licenses, don't publicize identities, criminalize use of superpowers for crimes but don't criminalize the use in itself. There, you've just massively improved public security, cut down on overeager vigilantes and almost completely invalidated supervillains right there.
Every single one of you fuckers need to read the Worm Parahumans web serial. It will make you all erect.
>>42350939Hey now, they also killed and maimed a number of civilians.
>>42350980Except it's self-absorbed, overhyped and goes off the rails before it does anything worthwhile with the super concept.
>>42350975Super villains are much more dangerous and vengeful than regular villains. The numbers would definitely be skewed in the way of killing witnesses and the people who put you in jail in a universe where a criminal could lift 200 ton trains with their minds.
>>42350939There are entire universes where Sentinels pacified the shit out of the USA, m8. Like it or not, they were definitely more powerful than the supers (which is stupid shit, because people like Thor and his homies would just wreck some faggy robot nerds.)
>>42350975Why would supervillians ever even still be alive after being captured? Shouldn't they all get the death penalty?
>>42350923Governments demand having a monopoly, or near so, on power within their territory. Even if the government does not stop violence, it demands the ability to stop it or at least bring more (and controlling) violence.That is not the case in most comics. But I feel it would be the case in a 'real world'.Maybe this would be super tech if that were a thing. Maybe this would be a super soldier whatever program if that were a thing. Or failing being able to create them, it would at the least seek to enlist them.That last, enlisting them, is something that disappoints me about most comics. The most common supers would be part of the police and military. Likely the military would run what would functionally be a new branch - Air Force, Navy, Marine, Army, and Super. The super would, if there was a common villain threat, be exempted from posse comitatus. Government teams would be common and well paid.
>>42351042Some countries are more civilized than that, thank you very much.
>>42350975>Again, you're instantly assuming that the government will leak data to the public that can be indispensable in national security as well as being a database of potential hires. That's not a sound assumption.It is if you allow for a milieu that involves shapeshifters, mind readers and sentient computer programs.
>>42351042They wouldn't. Anyone who had the ability beyond that of a normal human would be subject to extreme punishment. Removal of powers if possible, death if not. Suicide Squad would be a thing - just they never leave it.
>>42351078>Guy is capable of lighting people on fire with his mind if he can sense them and has shown he is willing to do so on the slightest provocation>Lets let him go after two dozen years in prison. Let's hope his time here hasn't made him more violent!
>>42351108There's this thing called a Life Sentence, Anon.Look it up.
>>42351108One of the assumptions of a comic universe is that the villains routinly escape from prison. Factor that in.If you could instead imprison them without escape then life sentences would be the rule.Death would be the rule if they could escape and demonstrated that was a thing.
>>42349907Nobody escapes the IRS. Not even the IRS.
>>42351128Or therapy, for that matter. Then again, why pretend "super-villains" have any kind of connection to what would happen IRL. The real world is notorious for not being like shitty cape comics.
>>42351023What does it help when the government has your personal information on file? Assuming that we're not in some kind of hipster universe where supers can learn a shitload of powers, all the government has to do is match the powers and general build of a supervillain to their registered identity, and there's an APB on them, their credit cards are frozen, their home is being staked out, their friends are being interrogated, their Web history is being traced, businesses are being given pictures and descriptions of them, and I could keep on going. Your conclusion is fucky in the first place too - your life is still worth the same amount to you whether or not you have powers. Being a supervillain doesn't make you more evil or ruthless than you'd normally be, either.>>42351042I didn't really mention that, but superpowered criminals would definitely increase the public's demand for the death penalty. When it's not very viable to imprison someone without having a prison full of supers as wardens and a superpower-proof architecture, there'll be more initiative to just execute supervillains to make sure prison doesn't become a joke.>>42351098There it comes again. Supernatural elements are not the same as a world where common logic is nonexistent. A proper supernatural or soft sci-fi universe has codified rules to make sure it follows sane dramatic conventions, not just a "well, superheroes exist, so I guess logic doesn't" handwave.
>>42350980It was okay and then all the giant lovecraft kaiju shit showed up and I just stopped caring.I liked it when it was still street level and each time the power level/scale/etc. got ramped up i lost interest because it was never handled as well.
Vigilantes are illegal for a reason. Society does not need poorly-informed, self-righteous thugs running around assaulting people based on the suspicion of criminal activity.If supers want to use their powers to fight crime and/or save lives, they should join their local emergency services. There, they will get the training, resources, and access to the information networks necessary to apply their powers in an effective and efficient manner. Plus, they'll have the full backing of their countries' legal system, and all the protections that entails. As for new legislation, you'd probably see laws expanding the roles that supers in government roles could legally perform, outside their everyday responsibilities. That way, you wouldn't end up in a situation where Darkseid has landed in Washington DC, but Officer Kent of the Metropolis Police Department can't go and wreck his shit because DC is outside his jurisdiction. With the new laws, he'd just get a call from Homeland Security (or whoever) giving him the green light, and then he'd launch into action.
On a slightly related note, anyone know any super heroes/villains with density controlling powers? Triple points if you include a comic strip including said super in action.
>>42351057Except for the fact that suddenly, a pack of overwhelmingly powerful dudes appeared and started doing their own thing, Anon. The government was in no position to make demands of Superman at his inception, and that hasn't changed, really. You don't get to boss around people like that.What do you even offer someone that powerful who is already totally willing to put his Superlife on the line to help everyone, anyway?Your theory could only apply to namby-pamby street level dorks in a low power setting. No one is going to conscript Thor.
>>42351229Vision, Martian Manhunter, and Shadowcat all do that, don't they?
>>42349901In Justice League International, the heroes are actually paid a salary.
>>42351310Not that anon, but enlisting isn't conscripting. If superman wants to help people, and he was just one of many superheros the government was already used to dealing with, he would join the 'super squad' of the police, or firefighters, or the military, or whatever. He would join for the same reason people now do. The only reason superheroes become vigilantes in comics is that there is no integration of people of their abilities into the social fabric.There could be some interesting tension between super-supremacists and the mainstream, but by and large it would function somewhat similarly to modern society, because any super born into this world would be integrated into the social contract of the state from birth.
There would be a huge shift in the entire way we structure our society if superhumans began to pop up. I mean, policing them would be nigh impossible, and often they'd be so different from us in terms of experience that they can hardly be expected to bother recognizing things like national borders. When you can hear everything for hundreds of miles and casually fly from one continent to another, the concept of nations breaks down for you.
>>42351310Motivations differ. IRL, given the choice between wasting their spare time saving ungrateful thugs from each other and being paid megabucks to relax, train, and occasionally go on a serious mission for a corporation or government; most people would probably choose the latter. More free time, stacks and stacks more money, social approval, legal backup, and no nagging fear of the NSA leaking your porn habits or catching an anti-tank missile to the face at 3 am.
>>42351476>If superman wants to help people, and he was just one of many superheros the government was already used to dealing with, he would join the 'super squad' of the police, or firefighters, or the military, or whatever. He would join for the same reason people now do.Or he would decide that the government isn't generally responsible enough to direct a power of his magnitude and do things on his own.I would not at all be comfortable with the idea of the US government possessing military superhumans, considering the megalomaniacal types that tend towards positions of power within it and, in particular, the sort of bloody-minded incompetence encouraged by the MIC. Can you imagine the debacles that would come about if the same people in charge of the M2 Bradley got their hands on superhuman assets?
>>42351578> M2 BradleyLet me guess, you thought that movie was a factual representation of history instead of a bastardized comedy misrepresenting what turned out to be a perfectly good vehicle?The government might have a lot of incompetents, but it already manages things much more powerful than most superheros - from hypersonic nuclear missiles to mass internet surveillance to old-fashioned charity and research funding.
>>42351229Well there's a 2hu called Suika you might like.
>>42351673The fuck are you even talking about? The Bradley Fighting Vehicle was subject to a disagreement in its testing phase regarding the strength of its hull. Attempts were made to push it through with insufficient protection in order to keep it cheap and easily resalable. Luckily this was averted, but a lot of people fought very hard to keep it as rickety and cheap as possible. And to be honest, nukes are generally rather low tier in the superhero game, but it depends upon the universe.
>>42351225>Society does not need poorly-informed, self-righteous thugs running around assaulting people based on the suspicion of criminal activity.Yeah, that's what we got the cops for.
>>42351766>And to be honest, nukes are generally rather low tier in the superhero game, but it depends upon the universe.I don't think that's a fair statement. For instance, Kingdom Come (Earth-23?) was a pretty high-power setting by Post-Crisis DC standards, but the majority of the supers present when the nukes were deployed died hard.
>>42351861Fuck, no, Earth-23 is the President Calvin Ellis Superman universe.Earth-22 is KC.
>>42351225>If supers want to use their powers to fight crime and/or save lives, they should join their local emergency services. There, they will get the training, resources, and access to the information networks necessary to apply their powers in an effective and efficient manner.#villainlivesmatter>>42351310>What do you even offer someone that powerful who is already totally willing to put his Superlife on the line to help everyone, anyway?Immunity from civil liability. Superman breaks a lot of shit.
>>42351924>Hands Up Don't Shoot
>>42349533Register or elseSeriously though, fuck Civil War. There was no coordination on that shit>>42351766>And to be honest, nukes are generally rather low tier in the superhero game, but it depends upon the universe.Nah, unless they have Superman tier durability or they're like the Hulk, a nuke is a pretty solid way of killing capes.
>>42351578>Or he would decide that the government isn't generally responsible enough to direct a power of his magnitude and do things on his own.Just like all the assault rifle wielding Americans do now, right? "Sir, please pay your taxes." "YOU CAN'T CONTROL A POWER OF MY MAGNITUDE!"
>>42349801The burkha-wearing super-heroine who can wield a basketball and even perform the legendary Chaos Dunk: I Slam
>>42349944>And for insurances and such, the heroes would have their own marketing department and sponsors (imagine Superman flying with a Pepsi logo on)There's an anime based around this concept called Tiger & Bunny.
>>42351861>>42351945Depends who's writing. Kingdom Come, for example, has most superheroes murdered by nukes. But Green Lanterns have shrugged off such attacks before, and characters like WW are in the Superman durability range. Most superteams will have one member capable of making nukes irrelevant - for example, in your image there, Iron Man. Dude can easily snag nukes out of flight and redirect them. He may not be able to nake a nuclear blast (though, considering how hi-tech his suits have gotten, maybe he can now), but he's essentially impossible to target with one.Then you have speedsters like Flash and Quicksilver, who can't be reliably targeted either, guys who manipulate magnetism, people capable of dispersing/reforming/phasing/teleporting... the X-Men, for example, have survived nuclear tier blasts by way of Kitty phasing everyone.Again though, it's all up to the writer. Colossus at one point gets heated up to the point where he starts to deform by Pyro... and then in another arc he walks through an artificial sun without any real consequence.
>>42352005Except Superman would be right.No government could control him. And why would you serve one when you're that powerful? You're no longer really limited in terms of experience to a particular country. You can fly anywhere you want almost instantly, are invulnerable, and can survive in any environment. Food, water, and even air are of no consequence to you, and you have all the time in the world so long as the sun is still around. Society has nothing you need save companionship, and plenty of people would like a guy like Superman who is always running around saving peeps from natural disasters and deposing dictators and such.
>>42350094>as a triumvirate of people who detect lies/falsehoods to prevent him from lying.and others to tell the lying detectors arent lying, and one for the dectecotrs of lying detectors arent lying at infinitum
>>42352055That is true, there are many who could avoid or redirect a nuke. I should have clarified that there aren't many who could survive the actual impact of a nuke>the X-Men, for example, have survived nuclear tier blasts by way of Kitty phasing everyone.I feel like the radiation still should have affected them, but that's how superhero comics roll
>>42350804>Many die and nothing really resolved except five dozen less super heroes being able to save people because the government was being a dumb fuck.>implying many died because of NSA and anti nsa people dont something worthwhile to be closer stop it other than to expose it exist
>>42352038You mean Rock Bison and Origami Cyclone, right?
>>42350999Pretty much. The best parts are in the beginning and don't last nearly as long as they should.
>>42349907The federal government contracts that work out to The Auditor, a cosmic being entrusted with the location of every registered base, invisible jet, and doomsday weapon.
>>42352175Wasn't actually a nuke, just a blast of the same force/intensity. Though, IIRC, MU mutants are resistant to radiation. Children of the atom an' all.
>>42350764Finally Aberrant gets mentioned.There's also Paragons - a book for 2nd ed Mutants and Masterminds that has a nice section on supers and the law. Another book called Hero High covers a little legality, and has some nice chapters dedicated to super life and interaction with normals in general.
Special duties imply special rights. What if instead of making a deal with the super community for registration in exchange for legalized vigilantism for registered supers, G7 nations decided to treat people with superpowers as ordinary citizens?Whether or not you can shoot laser beams from your eyes is your private medical information, but if you attack a mugger or fly without a pilot's license and a registered flight plan expect to be arrested.Maybe the prominent metahuman/mutant civil rights organization joined in the national anti-vigilantism campaign in order to separate their quest for equal rights and civil liberty/privacy from the professional interests of vigilantes/superheroes.The Metahuman Rights Coalition and the Supers Union could hate each others guts. It could date back to the sixties with two rival metahuman leaders, one who thought metas should focus on building wealth and political power to secure the future of their community and the other who believed they had a special duty to the world to be superheroes.
>>42350764Yup. That makes the most sense.
>>42352055>for example, in your image there, Iron Man. Dude can easily snag nukes out of flight and redirect them. He may not be able to nake a nuclear blast (though, considering how hi-tech his suits have gotten, maybe he can now), but he's essentially impossible to target with one.Iron Man is a murderer who deserves death
>>42353753There is no reason why the majority of these supers would not end up employed in some fashion because of their powers. Certainly those who want to be vigilantes would tend towards joining the police or military. Organizations that could support them logistically and with intelligence assets.Not to mention liability protection and likely a very good wage.If we decided to look at this realistically then a vigilante would end up not being a factor. Because only in the comics would the super hero just happen to be wondering by a bank just when it happened to be being robbed. Most super work would rely on detective teams figuring out who did the crime and where they can be found - so that the super SWAT can go in. Other intel assets would be focused on detecting when Dr Bummer would try to destroy the moon (again) and where his base is. Again, so that the Super SWAT can go in.It would take someone like Superman to be an effective vigilante as he is one of the few with super detection/observation abilities.
>>42354232I reckon most high tier psychics could do it too. Someone like Jean Grey or Toyo Harada (perhaps the most based psychic, look him up) could easily gather all the intel they need by themseles.
>>42354336>HaradaValiant psychics are best psychics.
>>42354336There would be an entire branch of such people in operation. A Supers version of the NSA.
>>42355242Well, possibly. A single psychic could conceivably do this shit by themselves, though. >stroll through intelligence agencies/police departments>know everything they know>use this to track down criminals in high places>now know everything they know
>>42355426I think it would take more than one, and really the true problem is information gathering. The world is a big place. It might be possible for one person to scan and observe the entire world. But I think we just went well beyond Superman there.Totally depends on the setting of course. But I would think that there would be a lot of varying abilities and levels out there. I would prefer though that nobody be that powerful.
>>42355426But what about counter-psychics? And counter-counter psychics? And proxy psychics?
>>42355663That kinda assumes that powers aren't random and psychics - not only psychics, but really powerful psychics - are super common.That guy used Harada as an example of a powerful psychic. I don't think your average superhuman should be Harada-tier.
>>42355810How rare should they be? What per thousand?
>>42349571and how would they enforce that? With other superheroes? If you had a bunch of superheroes to enforce law on other superheroes you'd be wasting potential on both crimefighters and power (because the enforcers would have to be more powerful than the enforcees)
>>42354807He gets my vote simply by putting his girls in skintight suits.
>>42357279With the IRS, police, courts, military, and yes, other supers who had the common sense to get a license and then decided not to endorse retarded super-vigilantism.
I'm assuming that it's our normal universe except people started getting powers randomly, and that superpowers are somewhat random as well.The most obvious thing is many if not most supers will have actual jobs. Supers with combat use will be in SWAT teams, the military, act as mafia enforcers and hitmen, or security for megacorps. Supers with noncombat powers will have WAY more use than in the comics. Guess what the world nees more - the guy who can punch very hard or the guy who can grow potatoes instantly? Teleporters will make more money as elite couriers than bank robbers. Speaking of which, no petty superivllains with flashy names in general. Enforcers? Sure. Bank robbers in a universe where the bank's security guard can turn your skeleton into styrofoam? Why would you ever. Secret identities will go away. People don't really have their families targeted in general, and if they do, thatis covered by witness protection program. Do you see cops announcing "my nickname is so and so and i have these exact weapons"? Nope. Super law enforcement will consist of teams of people in uniforms, working together, and you will have no idea what you're dealing with or who of them has any superpowers. Methinks that after the initial craze (omg like in the comics) the supers setting will turn into something more akin to Shadowrun than M&M.
>>42349533>IfThey've existed for a long time, OP. You just have to believe.
I'm imagining after whatever Big Event happens that causes people to gain superpowers, a government -- probably China or Russia first, but probably the US -- decides that one particular superhero absolutely positively -needs- to die for whatever reason.Imagine the assassination attempts are unsuccessful -- traps, poison, disease, radiation, whatever, all fail, and then they resort to a special ops squad packed to the gills with high-tech powerful weaponry. Imagine that all fails, and that night a video is uploaded to Youtube showing the superhero, bloody but mostly unharmed, walking around his now-trashed house and getting close-ups of the faces of the spec ops team sent to kill him. "Yeah, these guys busted into my house and tried to kill me, uhhh, not sure what I did, but I guess this is my life now? Thanks, Obama. Oh, yeah, make sure you download this video and upload it to as many sites as you can, I just know the government's gonna take it down as fast as they can. You know how this shit goes."
>>42349533Evidence acquired via superpowers is not admissible in court. No speaking to the spirit of the victim, reading the suspect's mind, rewinding time to show the suspect actually committing crime, scanning his aura to prove he has the exact superpower to commit such a crime, etc. Vigilantism is unlikely to be a big thing in a realistic setting, so it's unlikely to be banned completely, but expect strict regulations on what constitutes excessive power use in justice (like there exists excessive use of force in self defense and law enforcement). Some powers will be flat out illegal to use, such as mind control. If depowering others is a superpower (or a procedure), it will be more or less a go to punishment for super crime, or if it s reversible a means of control for more dangerous supers. If it's not, then execution of supers will be fairly common compared to comics, provided they are impossible or extremely difficult to contain in prison.
>>42358369>Evidence acquired via superpowers is not admissible in court.>No speaking to the spirit of the victim, reading the suspect's mind, rewinding time to show the suspect actually committing crime, scanning his aura to prove he has the exact superpower to commit such a crime, etc. >Literally giving someone the power to prove a crime happenned, like, objectivelyI am not entirely sure what planet earth you're thinking of, but if someone gets off with a crime because "Evidence acquired by superpowers is not admissible in court", there's gonan be a damn well lot of vigalante justice going on, if the guy was guilty or not.
>>42350036>I think he used his powers to demolish buildings in the Xmen cartoon.Yeah, definitely. By just walking in and punching out supports. Which is not how it really works (you need to blow them specifically timed to collapse without collateral) but in cartoon world where the best demolition device is a giant ball on a chain, he was putting actual workers out of their jobs.IIRC they tried to beat him up.
>>42357908I think I agree with this. It is basically what I have said above.The pull for being a super villain is pretty low really. Motive is money?Almost every super can get a pretty decent job using their powers unless they are far more common than we are tending to suggest.Why be a bad guy and risk getting shot? Be a good guy with huge backup, lots of fame, good money, and all kinds of other good stuff. My thought here would be that if you wanted 'real' you would have to suggest another effect to the Super thing. Maybe that a certain percentage of people who get powers just go crazy. The more power they have, the more likely it is too happen. 'People are not meant to have such power' sort of thing.But think about DC or Marvel universes. How many of those bad guys in those universes wouldn't end up super rich and famous just by going the legit route?Only the crazy ones would not be doing the legit route. And we would put those guys down right away if we couldn't lock them up dependably.
>>42358592>>42357908I actually think I disagree, but only partially.I just can't see the appeal of organized crime, as there is no such thing in real life as highly paid underworld freelancers. You are either one of the guys in charge or you are a peon who desperately wants to be one of the guys in charge.So I can see small fish criminals with powers using them to take over an organized crime group, but I can't see the idea of a slick organized-crime run operation intelligently employing powered individuals for a high profit to risk ratio. The closest thing might be associate members, like the protagonists in Goodfellas, but even while that gives you the freedom to set up jobs and even get away with killing full-blooded members as long as they aren't made men and you are more liked/valuable to the local bosses, it is still a relatively high visibility/high-risk career choice. At that point you might as well just be the Shocker or any other costumed bank robber, that might actually be less of a headache than being the unmasked local crook that everybody including the cops knows has superpowers. It might be harder to bribe cops if they know you can set people on fire, they might just turn you over to the Feds and get promoted for such a big bust.There are two possibilities for supercriminals/supervillains that I can think of- People who have powers enough to commit crimes and who wear costumes, take crazy names, and generally act like comicbook villains in order to be treated as criminally insane and not terrorists...- and then terrorists. Your mad scientists, Dr.'s Doom, Poison Ivy's. Dedicated, obsessed people with motivations other than profit who don't work well with other superbeings and instead build up their own minions/creations/support organization.
>>42349904If there'd be super smart guys, they'd be state employed, and I'd think every president would get the Armstrong treatment (or possibly metal wolf).
>>42358526If someone's being accused of a crime and the only evidence you have is that the telepath says so then maybe he deserves to go. Superpowers can be used to get leads, but you need cold hard human evidence to convict someone.
>>42358526The problem tends to be that it is open to manipulation - hearsay - by the person with the power.It would however be used by the prosecutor to develop evidence or to decide on if to prosecute or not. While you wouldn't be able to show the crime happening with your time power in court. You would still go to the scene of the crime, use that power, see who did the crime, where the evidence is, how the crime was committed, etc etc etc.Some of those powers would be prohibited from being used. But it would probably be the most common bending of the rules around.
>>42358933Real life is not DC comics but it's not the Sims either. Organized crime is not a career choice where you just come and ask for a job. Street kid who can turn his body into steel gets picked off the street and roped in. Girl who cries custom pheromones makes mad dosh selling them as designer drugs. Projecting teleporter gets an offer he cannot refuse. Kid with super intuition knows how to launder money. Nice lady who blends into the background took her sniper rifle with herself today. Old man with dead grey eyes can hear your thoughts and runs the whole show.
>>42358354>'m imagining after whatever Big Event happens that causes people to gain superpowers>implying Superman isn't from spaceWhat are you, gay?
>>42358354The real kick would be the hero saying 'remember when I saved that bus full of people? I cannot do that any more.' Followed like a week later a video of him standing by, sadly shaking his head, as a building collapses and hundreds die.
>>42349980Here's my question: What about the villains that weren't 'street' levels, the ones that tend to be more invulnerable and/or have bullshit counters to the average SWAT unit? Did all the supervillains just vanish on the honor system? Did they all get arrested? Die out? Or did they do the same kind of thing as Syndrome did and become secret kings of their own hidden little fiefs?
>>42350980Worm is the most garbage self-indulgent shite I've ever seen on the internet, including shit from assholes who write themselves into the story only to go on power fantasy trips.
>>42363192I wonder if superhero vlogging would be common, but this theoretical superhero who was targeted by failed government assassination attempts is still on my mind.>"Do they not like the things I do? Did I save someone I shouldn't have? Who in the government even ordered this to happen?">"Did I see something I shouldn't have seen? If I did, I don't even remember it. Was it the location of an army base? The identity of a spy? If they had just asked me nicely, I wouldn't have said anything, but nope! It's a death squad at 4 am for me! They even killed my dog."Imagine what the government itself, especially the US government, would say about it. A media blackout would be impossible thanks to social media and citizen reporting -- no matter how hard they try to shut it down and even if mainstream media won't report on it, word would still spread and you bet your ass that activist groups would be spreading the videos this tragic superhero posts.The government would no doubt use the mainstream media to spread all sorts of horrible lies about him, too.
>>42358354That would be a good way to start a revolution overnight.
>>42364132And then it is revealed that it was a false flag op by HYDRA.
>>42364132>Hey why don't we ask the guy capable of blowing up a city to not talk about the secret X thing he saw instead of trying to kill him?>Hurr durr he's less useful alive he just die blah blah.
>>42349907Hey, as long as you declare how much you made selling cocaine and pay the proper income taxes, the IRS doesn't give a fuck. They'd probably be the same way about secret bases.
>>42364132>>42364146What if, the President is actually trying to bait the super into blowing up that pesky Cognress, getting rid of two birds with one stone?
>>42364288Yeah I still haven't thought up the actual reason why they'd want to kill him, kind of a bit plot hole there. And using all those other methods before sending in a hit squad implies they thought those would all succeed, meaning they don't know the true extent of his powers.
>>42364344>>42364264Could also be other countries tying to smear another.
>>42364308Balanced books. Proper forms. Receipts filed in triplicate.He's just a man with a job to do.
>>42357279With the threat of lethal force
>>42349571So it'd be like one punch man?
>>42364664One punch man is probably the most OP manga character out there that isn't a straight up deity or magical bullshit Mary Sue.
>>42356286Significantly less than one.
>>42352013severely underrated post
>letting people capable of causing fusion blasts at will to walk around willy-nilly >everPeople are largely idiots who can be trusted with a combustion-engine vehicle only throughout brain-composting and only for use within very specific guidelines. And here we are talking about not cars, but monster trucks that walk like people. And are outfitted with high-caliber artillery. Careless, uneducated use of superpowers - people around are fucked. An emotional breakdown - people around are fucked. Just a bit of ill will, on the level familiar to any of us - people around are fucked. And people don't like being fucked badly again and again just because someone was "born this way" and "muh freedoms". Society will quickly realize that overseeing, controlling and if necessary - isolating and or/taking down such individuals rather than just hoping for their better judgement is an infinitely better option for everyone, including supes themselves. >but government is incompetent!Yes it is. But the absolute most of the supes would be even less competent. >B-but fighting crime!Between a threat of a robbed bank and a threat of a blown-up city bloc we take the robbed bank every day. >but supes are PEOPLE, if they are treated differently it indicates the decay of our freedoms and eventual crumbling of our society If a guy can bench-press 5 tons and doesn't care about bullets - he is most certainly DIFFERENT from an everyday Joe. He is an entirely different kind of being with an entirely different set of capabilities, strengths, burdens and drives. Denying the reality and just proclaiming that they are absolutely the same humans as everyone else is plain retardation. Of course, maybe some shapeshifters or psychics will be weaponized in one way or another, but that would be just a minor element of some special ops stuff, not really tipping the balance anywhere. 99% of the comic book supers are shit tier in the military department. (cont)
>>42365994That all, of course, is without accounting for the cosmic-level shit like Superman. On that level, social ethics are useless. We would need theology to deal with that kind of shit.
>>42366058>On that level, social ethics are useless. We would need theology to deal with that kind of shit.All they need is some good parenting
>>42349690And the media would follow their heroics and grade them on their performance, turning it into a reality show?
>>42349664Doctrine of necessity, shithead. I needed to throw that car into the supervillain to stop him from destroying the planet. You want to see me in court, that's fine - but you better fucking believe I'll be getting attorney's fees and costs when you're laughed out of court.
>>42366341Any sort of conventional parenting goes to fucking hell when little Jimmy can hardly learn the concepts of pain, property, rules, mortality and empathy, Nothing on this world can hurt Jimmy, he can take what ever he wants and nobody is capable of stopping him, no sort of punishment can anyone apply to him. He will not die, and cannot understand the troubles of frail, slow and weak creatures surrounding him because he barely ever experienced anything like their existence. He can throw the school bully out of the Solar system with no drawbacks to this decision, and when his mommy will come to give him a stern talk - he can burn her with his heat vision, and nothing of value will be lost. Superman media tries to wash this issue away with the whole "oh he was raised by a loving family" handwaving, without ever properly explaining fucking HOW did old Pa Kent every brought up a kid who never got a bruise and can answer to a whipping with a megaton punch, and if Jimmy doesn't bother- he still isn't learning anything.And for the record - no, I'm not a MoS fanboy. That movie was shit.
>>42364344Someone from the Marvel Universe got into the upper echelons of this universes government.
>>42366644It says a lot that you think pain is the only way someone can learn basic human empathy.
>>42364132> A media blackout would be impossible thanks to social media and citizen reporting -- no matter how hard they try to shut it down and even if mainstream media won't report on it, word would still spread and you bet your ass that activist groups would be spreading the videos this tragic superhero posts.Unfortunately, this is bullshit. Our modern technology does not allow us to get any closer to objective highlighting of controversial events. Before, it was lack of information that kept us in dark. Now - it's drowning in disinformation that keeps us just as ignorant. Case in point - go on and try to explain whats going on in Ukraine, who's winning what battles, who gets help from who and how and who's slaughtering who. >Ukrainian media:>"We're fulfilling the demands of Minsk treaties, by not firing a single shot at THE TERRORISTS, among other news - our glorious army continues to liberate Donbass from Russian invasion army and terrorist forces. 3 towns were taken from the invasion forces and 2 regiments of hostiles were taken out with no casualties. Unfortunately, our forces then had to retreat because reasons">Separatist media:>See above, only replace "THE TERRORISTS" with "THE JUNTA", and Russians with Americans.>American media:> "We have zero idea WTF is going on, but Russia is to blame for it">Russian media: > "We have zero idea WTF is going on, but America is to blame for it">VSU/VSN soldiers from youtube:>"I'm a simple guy. I see a dude dressed not like me - I shoot him ded. I see many dudes - I call in arty. Whatever. ">Civilians:>"Fuck my life!"
>>42366960Alright then. How do you teach a demigod to have human empathy when you're utterly incapable of inflicting any negative consequence on him, or providing him with any reward that he can't take himself when he wants it?
>>42367238Alright, good points. How do you think it would work out, then? A dozen assassination attempts on a superhero failed, and the latest attempt results in that superhero posting a video on Youtube like the one I described. Pulling up masks, posting high-definition closeups of faces and gear and uniforms, showing the damage done, etcAssuming he's already got some followers on social media and he says what I described, to spread the video, how do you think it would turn out?
>>42366960Empathy is a product of rationalization that other creatures experience the same hardships and triumphs as you do, that your experience can be projected on them and vice versa, that you can trust these others as your understanding of yourself gives you an insight into them. How any of this can work when one has nothing in common with the hardships that these others face, that their dreams and triumphs are trivial and pointless to him, that whatever troubles us greatly is as soft gust of wind to him. There can be no such rationalization when the subjects in question are indeed very different. There is a bigger power gap between Superman and a human than between a human and a bacteria. No matter what - Superman can only understand human existence and empathize with us as much as we empathize with germs.
>>42367411And yeah, this guy got it perfectly.
>>42357908> can grow potatoes instantly?
>>42367261Maybe the demigod doesn't need pain to be inflicted on him in order to have empathy?
>>42367411>No matter what - Superman can only understand human existence and empathize with us as much as we empathize with germs.Go away Luthor, you have no power here
>>42367411Superman makes a bit more sense in continuities where he didn't get his powers till his teens.
>>42357908>Secret identities will go awayBut anon, high profile federal agents do this all the time. It makes even more sense for supers to protect their identities.
>>42354170>Somewhat ironically there are no African nations with SpeedstersKEK
>>42367562You still haven't answered my question.
>>42368242There is no way for a super to protect his identity over time. There is too much surveillance.
>>42368449Same goes for DEA, but they still try and usually succeed for many, many years, even without elaborate disguises and powers to help them avoid surveillance.
>ctrl-F "Citizen's Arrest">0 of 0
>>42368845Yeah, I tried that shit and was very nearly brought up on assault charges. In theory it works, but in practice you'd just end up with capes being gangfucked in a court room over a few bruises and cuts. You work within the system, making citizens arrests and risking damages payments, work with the system and deal with all the red tape normal cops have, or work without the system and become an outlaw.
>>42367562if he's never felt pain, how will he know what "pain" is?
>>42368950Well, while afflicted with kryptonite he feels quite a lot of pain.
>>42368501There is a difference in how the two organizations behave.For the Super, batgirl is out shopping and sees clayface causing trouble. She jumps in a closet and puts on her mask and goes to do the hero thing.In the real world a few days later video is put together that reveals who she is.If not that time, then any of another dozen times.Missed work, behavior issues, etc. It adds up to a pattern. No active Super is going to be able to maintain a secret ID in the real world.
>>42369039That's if they decide that risking their identity is worth stopping every criminal they come across.
>>42366560Welcome to America, where I can sue you for literally anything.Christ, the implications of something like a "Herogate" that happened to Gamergate makes me feel ill.
>>42354170What was the name of this comic again?I used to read it but my bookmarks were annihilated in HD crash.
>>42366644Superman's parents had superpowers.Super-parenting
>>42370589Superman's adoptive parents, who raised him, were normal-ass humans, right? Or is this one of those weird secrets that crop up in comics because of reasons?
Did ya'll forget Gods and Monsters?it's just this but http://www.watchcartoononline.com/justice-league-gods-and-monstersI can't explain just watch for yourselves
>>42369158Being a masked vigilante and walking around the city looking for muggers is like the worst possible way to fight crime, unless you live in Gotham where the police does nothing and you can't walk ten meters without seeing a crime in progress. You want to fight crime, you dispatch in SWAT-like teams. Or you tap into cops' radio or something, but going legit is definitely better. >>42368242Federal agents and undercover cops conceal their identities. There is a lot of planning and effort that goes into these things, you work with a team, etc. You can't just show up on the scene of crime time after time in an attention-getting flashy costume saying "I AM THUNDERSPARK" and expect people won't figure it out in two weeks tops.
>>42363968While Worm does have shitty writing due to being web novel graphomania, and the power scale is upped too much for its own good, it has a loot of good ideas as far as the details are concerned. For example, superhero wikis, complete with edit wars, are a pretty important thing for people without dossier access, and one third rate villain actually maintains his own wiki page so that people don't know the exact extent of his powers. Superhero vlogs are a thing, livestreaming your shenanigans gets people's dicks hard as well. Supervillains are lone dumbasses who don't know any better, terrorist groups who don't give a fuck (white supremacist supervillains are especially a great idea), or employed by corps.
>>42349533IIRC City of Heroes kinda went into that.
>>42349901I once considered running a cyberpunk+superheroes cross-genre game, where heroes are employed by powerful insurance companies. They prevent insured losses, and act as incentive to get life/accident/injury insurance, because they come with protection from superpowered corporate junior executives.>>42349911>Kickstarter.I like this idea. Crowdfunded superheroes.
>>42371883>You can't just show up on the scene of crimeI wasn't suggesting that at all. Show up, foil crime, leave. Unless you're a complete moron and drive home, there aren't enough cameras and eye witnesses in any city to track a super powered vigilante. Shit, my city had a vigilante for well over 7 months. 6 foot-something Caucasian male in a hoodie and jeans. He was so utterly plain and got out of there so quickly that eye witnesses who he had been within a metre of him and talked directly to, couldn't give any more than rough description.
>>42369714What is The Incredibles?
>>42349901Currently playing a campaign where heroes get paid. Some expose their identity to the government, get a badge and $50K/year salary, then go out and perform police/FBI/DEA ect. duties. Others take group payments from neighbourhoods suffering crime waves. They pay the hero a sum of donated cash to fight crime full time for a period of time, with the cost based on expenses and a flat rate per hour. Usually it works out to minimum wage, but some cater exclusively to the rich as private security/avengers
>>42363907The villains were the ones who made the law, son. They won, at least for a brief period.
>>42366644Nice try, dork
>>42368160You mean most of them? Niggas can't even read
>>42369039Maybe not faggy, normie, street level dorks.You'll never fucking find the shape-shifting invisible psychic spaceman, Anon.
>>42370659>>42370589>>42371011Superhombre a Best
>>42365994>criminalizing a group of people with incredible powersThat will not end well. These guys aren't some random ethnic minority that can be herded into concentration camps or easily imprisoned in regular prisons. Make being superpowered an excuse for society to hijack people's lives and those people are likely to disengage from society. Explosively, in many cases. The likelihood of events you've mentioned such as a super having an emotional breakdown or lashing out in ill will be way, way more common if you make being superhuman a cause for discriminatory action or immediate imprisonment.You don't want Jimmy Nukes For Eyes to wake up with powers and have an existential crisis because his life as he knows it is over.
>>42374210Even worse would be demonising those with powers that are already marginalised or discriminated against, be it real or imagined. Abdul, the poor, black, homosexual, transgender Muslim suddenly gains the ability to melt bones and explode eyes in a 10 mile radius. You start piling on that hatred because of another thing they can't control? Don't be surprised when government, hate groups and LEO start turning up with exploded eyes and liquid bones.
>>42373729Most people are not invisible shapeshifters. Why would a person who is an invisible shapeshifter be a vigilante full time? Shapeshifting isn't that good for fighting super crime unless you break conservation of and can get battle forms, in which case people will assume that you're the monster, and more importantly how about becoming an actor instead? You pass every casting by default, every casting. You can star in any biopic. Or your country's intelligence agency recruits you when you're like twelve and you become thr the perfect spy. It's the "I can punch hard" guys who will be street vigilantes.
This being said, what powers are going to be flat out illegal to use? >Mind control There's so much about our laws that focuses on people's intents that there's no question here. Banned flat out. >shapeshiftingBanned if it constitures identity theft. >highly destructive powersNo different from weapons. You shot the mugger with a bazooka? You are responsible for all the collateral and putting everyone at risk, even if that bazooka was magic. >time travel/time controlPeople are just going to be wary of paradoxes and stuff. Depends on how time powers work though. >clairvoyance, probability manipulation, etc Banned if constitutes fraud, so no lottery or casinos and such. >mind reading and suchHuge invasion of privacy. Won't be illegal to use, but illegal to abuse. Not admissible in court, but LEOs and corps will of course hire every telepath they can. >not allowed on sports teams with nonsupersSupers will have their own olympics and play their own sports, soon after leaving the superbowl about as popular as college football is now. >powers in crime in generalAny power use for crime makes punishment harder, like armed robberies are punished harder than simple robberies. >depoweringIf depowering is a thing you can do, the government will use it as a punishment, and they will want a monopoly on it, so depowering constitutes unlawful inprisonment and, if irreversible, grievous injury.