Although one of the giant crabs was lost in a fiery spectacle that even the Tribeburner tribe would have been proud of, the relocation to the vast crab lake was successful. You had to send a group to take a few extra trips back and forth to the tomb to move the goblin’s salvage; they seem a bit happier now with all their stuff gathered. The goblins seem a bit restless here by the lake where there is almost no trash to dig around in but the smooth black stone and ample if somewhat questionable supply of water makes this a good place to build permanent structures. Once big concern is how to defend against the threat of the cleaners – from time to time you see distant pinpricks of light reminding you of their presence. The only substance they don’t seems to suck up is the hard black stone that makes up the ground and so far the goblins have only quarried bricks which are not large enough to withstand an impact from a cleaner. > Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> OtherWelcome back to Afterlife Quest!Twitter: https://twitter.com/ApophisquestsTGAskfm: http://ask.fm/ApophisTGPastebins: http://pastebin.com/u/ApophisTG
>>41789107ask the shamans "which tribe seems to have the best constructions?"Meanwhile, begin constructing the water purification facility mentioned in last thread. It's easy enough to do.
>>41789107>> Train goblinsMake them more useful.Combate goblins drill them. Labor goblins explain and show them how to do their jobs better. And start increasing the size of the black stone bricks to a few times their size. To make a wall, to withstand the cleaner.
>>41789237>>41789448Lets get 2d10+8 to build some stuff and teach the goblins.How big of a wall do you want to build?Big enough to protect a village, a city or the whole lake?
Rolled 6, 7 + 8 = 21 (2d10 + 8)>>41789583
Rolled 10, 1 + 8 = 19 (2d10 + 8)>>41789583Village big enough for everyone to settle in is probably best. Unless everyone would bump us up to city. We can always expand walls later.Second roll
Rolled 2, 6 + 8 = 16 (2d10 + 8)LAst
“Bonetooth tribe after fall build not now.” Your shaman tells you.“Tribes not build, crabs safe from cleaners.” The other shaman continues.You set up an array of fire pits to boil the brackish water of the lake, it will be a lot of mind numbing labor to purify water like this but thankfully you now have skeletons to tirelessly do just this sort of thing for the tribe. Until you construct actual buildings you will not be able to improve or secure the water purifiers.You then take the mining squads away from the lake and have them cut much larger blocks of the black stone to get usable material to build a wall. Rather than digging into the stone and making a quarry you just have the goblins make a trench in front of where the wall will be build. The blocks of stone will not need to be moved as far and it will be able to double as an extra protective measure and as a canal to move water.>21The level of craftsmanship the goblins display while cutting the blocks for the wall surprises you. The blocks of black stone slide together perfectly locking into place with need for mortar.> The wall is halfway constructedMeanwhile the combat squads have been practicing – training with weapons and running drills will help improve their condition over time. In particular one of the melee focused squads have begun to take care of the captive tigers and after more than a few goblins being sent off for medical treatment, the adult tigers have been saddled. Without much success the goblin squad is trying to train the saber tooth beasts to work as combat mounts.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> OtherAnd a 1d100
Rolled 99 (1d100)>>41789952Do remember to tell us when more skellingtons can be raisedHave labor finish wall, have medical squads work with poison squads to try producing antitoxins and possibly other medicines
Rolled 100 (1d100)>>41790094
>99While you are helping the goblins do their work you hear screams coming from the other side of the makeshift village. When you arrive you find that the walking plants have broken out of their cages and started eating goblins. The plants have also tripled in number growing at a far faster pace than they should have been able to.> Recapture> Kill them> OtherFor now the wall has been finished complete with a makeshift gate and bridge, the giant crabs cannot climb over the walls that easily but are able to just go around them by walking into the lake.The wall itself is currently about twice your height and two blocks thick, overall the wall is rather sturdy and should prevent attacks from anything other than flying creatures.The inside of the wall is beginning to fill with piles of garbage as the goblins just scatter their salvage all over the place.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> The crystal glows with inner light> Other
>>41790349>Recapture>Attempt to train(plant creatures)If we can get a plant creature tamed, send a spider rider and a plant creature rider to FoulRaider territory, and ask for their assistance training.
>>41790411The Foulraiders are unhappy with you right now for talking about training spiders and without a shaman helping to guide them a single rider is unlikely to meet up with another tribe. You can still try if you want to though.
>>41790466Then maybe if others agree, we go visit them and bring our spider rider squad.
>>41790553Doing this could make your tribe unhappy, as going to the Foulraiders would either mean leaving the ‘good’ territory altogether or splitting the tribe up.
Use crystalCaptureBuild forgehouseHave medics and poison try to produce medicine
>>41790632Forget it then. We're in it for the goblin smiles, if I remember one of the pastebins right.
Do undead minions wear down over time pr does the magic prevent that
>>41790733They are magic skeletons so they stay in tip top shape unless there is an accident and they broken or something rekills them.
You have the mining squads dig out a series of pits to contain the monstrous plants with, after which recapturing them and placing a weighted down lid over the pits is easy enough. You then try to train or at least tame the plants.The plants respond only to meat - you try to starve one plant to see what happens and the hungrier the plant gets the more violent it acts trying to tear into the stone walls of the pit. Denying the plants water doesn’t seem to bother them so you stop giving one water to see what happens. The plant slowly shrivels up and dies, it seems while they don’t seek it out the plants do require water. Checking the plant’s corpse you find three seeds hidden inside of it just waiting to grow in more favorable conditions.> Acquired three magic seeds.With the plants taken care of you help the forge squad set up some forges so they can once again make equipment for the tribe. While the forges are now contained within a nice black brick building there is no real improvement in the quality of the metals that they can produce.You try to get the medical and poison squads to create some medicines even just antidotes to their poison but they don’t understand what that is. The goblins of the tribe are immune to the poisons that they craft so there has never been a need for antidotes. They do however manage to use the spider venom to improve their poisons.You also release the crystals magic once again.> 9 skeletons gained.The inside of the wall is now filled with garbage that the goblins scavenge hindering the progress of more building.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> OtherAnd a 1d100
>>41790955Have goblins clean uptrain all squads in tactics - flanking, shield formations protecting archers, etcHave them do this in training simulations against other squadsHave a prize for the best squad - a fine meal and a reasonable request from the chief
Rolled 50 (1d100)>>41790955
>>41791121I forgot to mention but use blunted weapons and arrows with cloth balls on the end, ink on cloth and weapon edges to show hits
Alright writing for more goblin training.
You have the combat squads run mock combat simulations but even with shields the melee squads are devastated by the crossbow squads. With the spider mounted crossbow troops giving them superior mobility they are able to overcome the crossbow squads without mounts as well. Mixing the squads together to give the goblins with crossbows support from the melee squads ends the same way – total domination by the spider riders. The only progress the saber tooth tiger beast rider squad has made is to be able to ride the creatures without being bitten.Unfortunately any reward for good performance during training falls to the wayside as the goblins prove to be unable to clean up the mess they are making. Cleaning out one area seems to create a larger mess than existed in the first place. The end result is that without anywhere to put it all the trash is just building up faster than ever.The inside of the wall is now overfilled with garbage that the goblins scavenge severely hindering the progress of anything you do.>50A lone cleaner is headed directly towards the lake - there is enough for you to intercept it if you wanted to.> Intercept it> Watch what happens> Other
>>41791519>> Watch what happensBut still place as much garbage in its way.
>>41791519> Watch what happensI'm very curious! If it get stuck or something, I'm thinking about attacking it and taking it apart.
>>41791519Ask goblin shamans if magic does anything to cleanersIf they dont know or never tried, cast magic arrows at it with them
Alright writing for watching what happens.
You ask the shamans what they know about the cleaners, does magic even do anything to the strange things?“Better to hide and runs,” One shaman starts.“Eats even magic.” The other finishes.The upside to the cleaner coming by your makeshift village is that you can finally do something about all the garbage that the goblins have been piling up inside the wall. You have the goblins carry the trash out of the walls directly into the path of the cleaner and then bring the crabs around the wall to stay safe while the cleaner passes.You watch as the cleaner absorbs all the garbage as it plows its way to the lake. As the cleaner comes closer and closer to the lake the ground begins to rumble. Ripples form on the surface of the lake as the rumbling becomes an earthquake.And then as the cleaner reaches the lake a titanic crab lifts from the water as smaller giant crabs tumble off of it into the water. The massive crab is covered with cuts and gouges from doing battle with other gigantic beasts. With a quick snap the titanic crab uses its claws to effortlessly snap up the cleaner and it begins to tear the cleaner apart. Even as the cleaner tries to absorb the crab it begins to eat the cleaner, the smaller crabs fighting over tattered scraps of the cleaner that are scattered about as the big consumes the cleaner.With its feast done the titanic crab slowly sinks back into the middle of the lake as though nothing even happened. The other crabs begin to scatter away from the lake seeking a new place to live and the goblins give chase capturing as many of them as they can.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> Meet another tribe (which)> Try to wake the giant lake crab> Other
>>41792105>> Train captured animalsTrain the goblins in better battle formations and discipline. See about training your with both shamans.trying to get more out of the meditation and see what they have to offer that's rank two. or increasing our current magical abilities further.
>>41792105Contact the foulraiders to get information on the giant crab. Also inform them that poisons can be acquired here, free as an apology for earlier bothering. Have builders make a training room for both combat training and stuff like weightlifting and track running
>>41792292Wtf happend with the foulraiders?And nothing is free. Fuck that.A barracks does sound good though.Dedicated training area.
>>41792446We want on their good side and produce plenty of renewable poisonIn fact we should put potent poison in our flask of refilling
>>41792446They are currently mad at you for suggesting that spiders are able to be tamed.Their whole tribal identity is based on taming things so they think you are gravely insulting them.
>>41792490Could we train stuff for the foul curse to train us and give us more of the liquid. Better than the liquid first then train, cause I assume the liquid gets less and less effective the more magic you have in you. Or if it doesn't that great too.
>>41792660Trade*Having thier best teacher give us a few lessons or so.I want more ki and better ranks in magic/ maxed out meditation and possibky something better than our current meditation.
“Not teach yous more.” One shaman tells you.“Yous magic too small.” The other shaman explains to you.The shamans currently refuse to teach you more magic so you have to practice on your own, unfortunately the spell books you have only have spells you already know or spells that are still too advanced for you to learn. You try to sit and meditate and focus your magic – after some time you think that you can feel something.>??? Progress 1/5You then oversee the construction of a barracks for the combat squads, a simple brick building with living quarters and some extra rooms for storing weapons, armor, and other supplies. Next to the barracks you have the goblins build a small stone wall separate off a training area for the goblins to have a clean space to run combat drills in.The skeletons have also streamlined the water purification process to a point that only a few of them are needed to run it and have begun to take over the work of the farming squad tending to the vines and flowers. The goblins are beginning to fill the inside of the wall with salvage again.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> Meet another tribe (which)> Other
>>41792723>> Train yourself (in what) Countinue meditatingHave all the trash, piled up outside of the walls. Far from the walls, and see about finishing the wall. And improvements to building where they can be made.If we have the man power, build a dedicated area for mount training.Spider training areas, and tiger alike.
>>41792915An agility course with obstacles!>>41792723Put hypospray contents into refilling flaskTrain goblins in Problem solving skills and puzzle solving
>>41793034The hypospray can only be emptied by being used on a living thing, it is one use only. The label reads VRP and has a warning symbol or something on it.
Rolled 5, 5 = 10 (2d10)>>41793095Rolling to decipher the label.
>>41793248Despite your best efforts to get the goblins to clean up after themselves or at least pile the garbage outside the walls without a dedicated place to store stuff the goblins continue to fill the inside of the wall with salvage.You try to keep meditating but it doesn’t work very well as you are also directing the goblins to build a more advanced training area for both themselves and their mounts. Many goblins are injured when they try to ride giant spiders through the newly constructed obstacle course – at least they medical squad is getting more practice. A few of the smarter goblins have made straps to hold them to the saddles so they don’t fall off from now on.The tigers fare much better on the course and the squad begins to push the saber tooth beasts to run the course faster and faster.> 18You try to decipher the label but honestly without any context at all the three letters V, R and P could stand for anything. The warning is also an unknown to you but at least it is not some kind of biohazard. A small opening lets you see what is inside the hypospray – a swirling silver substance. You cannot see any way to open the device without destroying it.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Train captured animals (which ones)> Build something (what)> Meet another tribe (which)> use hypospray?> Other
>>41793359Let us ride out to meet the foulcurse, see what can be done about magic training.And see about killing the fishmen boss once and for all.Have the shamans who ever stay, try and figure out how to organize and better the quality of life for the goblins. while we're gone.
>>41793359> Train captured animals (which ones)The plants.See how intelligent they are, and if they can recognize patterns.If they're not intelligent to associate doing what we want with something positive, then let's find out if we can harvest parts of dead ones for any purpose.
>>41793524Yes, if we can't use them for anything harvest the seeds and use them as shock troops against future enemies, they grow pretty fast right?
>>41793628Shit, that'd be awesome.Just send one goblin in to play Johnny Appleseed.And we wouldn't have to deal with cleaning up, because as long as they don't get water they die pretty quick.
>>41793628The seeds are magic and grow nearly instantly to full size at which point they pull their roots out and start hunting for food.
>>41793359Build advanced water purifier facility
You spend some time with the plants trying to see if they are intelligent at all and what you discover is that they grow and split off more bodies if fed enough but they only respond to meat. Other plants or skeletons don’t trigger a response at all but the plants try to chase after and eat other living things. So you let the plants go without water to shrivel up and die so you can harvest seeds from them to plant later to help in combat or something.> Gained 30 magic seeds.You also ask the shamans to contact the Foulcurse tribe, they advise against leaving the area to go meet with the other tribe and work to convince the Foulcurse to come to you. Thankfully they are impressed with your defeat of the lich and agree to come meet with you at the crab lake.>Foul curse tribe is now enroute to meet you.You then have the forge squad make some larger kettles to boil and purify more water faster. Then you get the goblins to help construct a new building well insulated with bricks to form a new water purification facility. Once completed the new building gets swelteringly hot inside only you and the skeletons can go inside but it provides much more clean water than the more simple stills you had constructed before. There is so much clean water now that the medical squad can wash and sterilize their equipment rather than reusing it dirty.The goblins continue to fill the inside of the wall with salvage and have also filled two of the pits that the mining squads were cutting stone from outside the walls.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Build something (what)> Other
>>41794102> Train yourself (in what)Magic.Do some more meditation.Gotta get them gains before the Foulcurse show up.
Have goblins only scavenge outside and only bring back useful things in good conditionBegin construction of housing areas, beginning with a room large enough to house all shamans and outfitted with all the things a shaman may need for magic or want
Alright writing for magic gains and housing.
You direct the goblins to clean the garbage out of the walls once again and to start building some buildings to live in; you then sit and try to meditate more trying to catch the same feeling you had before. Eventually you feel the magic of the Lich’s crystal return but don’t make much progress yourself.> 3 ki, 10 skeletons gained.While you were mediating the goblins have constructed a large circular building with a big central room with ten smaller connected rooms for the shamans to house their things and to do magic in. The goblins then dug a tunnel into the stone ground the beginning of an underground warren to house goblins and salvage. The heaps of garbage that have begun to pile up inside the wall are no longer growing now that the goblins are storing their stuff underground.>The Foulcurse tribe has been delayed by a cleaner.With their skill at purifying water and tending plants unchallenged the skeletons continue their takeover of basic labor and now have begun to cook as well. You are not really sure how something unable to taste is able to cook but it turns out to be better than the goblins have been doing so far.> Train yourself (in what)> Train goblins (in what)> Direct goblins (which squad(s))> Build something (what)> Other
>>41794687Upgrade forgeMeditate furtherHave medical squad teach all other goblins the importance of hygeneHave poison squads attemp to make weak poison that only kills in large doses but kills germs easily
>>41794687> Train goblins (in what)Let's work on our crossbow squad's maneuverability.Now that they have the straps, they should be able to start climbing walls and firing from a vantage point.
>>41794687>> Train yourself (in what)More magic.Make a few squads dedicated to cleaning up the city.Ask shamans about other ways to meditate. And what skills hey have, that we can't yet learn. And how to increase the rank of spells.
>>41794851Do we have the means to make bread?Because if so we could get penicillin.
>>41794858If we want to clean up the city, we need to designate a landfill or a dump.
>>41794942I agree. I say we look into making a huge pit to dump the garbage in. Using the stone we take out of the pit to build/increase our defenses. The pit should be out of the city, to reduce pollution and what not.
>>41794972Makes sense. Make a quarry, turn it into a landfill, then move to another area to continue quarrying. Rinse and repeat.The cleaners'll even come by from time to time to clean our dump out, and then we can make a new one.
Writing for landfill and training
>>41795117I am still curious as to wether we have anything that can be used for bread making. Or even any citrus type fruits.
>>41795162Most of your food is scavenged mystery goblin soup and now purple fruits. Any sickness or diseases either gets goblins turned into soup or magically cured by the shaman if it is really bad. The goblins don’t really need medicine - they repopulate faster with more food though.
You try to talk to the shamans about how you can better meditate to improve your magic or even if they will tell you what magic they know. The shamans however are set in their ways and just shoo you away after saying you are not ready. So instead you decide to try and continue to train the various goblin squads.After showing the blacksmithing squads how to use billows to improve their forges they are able to increase the heat to the point of melting iron.You try to have the medical squad explain basic hygiene to the other goblins but the best they can do is convincing the tribe to stop piling trash around inside the walls. With that momentous achievement you then have the mining squads begin to carve out a large landfill for the goblins to store extra salvage in outside the walls. You make sure to have them design the pit so that if a cleaner happens to come by again that it can get in and out easily – wouldn’t want to deprive the titanic crab of its meals.And that is when two things happen rather suddenly – First the Foulcurse tribe’s caravan appears in the distance and then those strange GPS devices register a half dozen of active zones appearing all around your village.> [ End ]Unfortunately I need to run to the store and end things here for today.I’ll stick around for questions/comments/criticism/spending exp.>You finished a thread, thanks for playing +10exp> Giant friendly crab? +10exp> Oh no plot things +10exp> Diligent training bonus +5 stat points>Current total exp: 34 >Current total stat points : 5
Ki +5We probably want to have an easier time convincing the foulcurse here, who would approve of increasing diplomacy a lot this time around?
>>41795655Fuckhueg diplomacy bonus?I'm down.
>>41795674Alright so34Diplomacy to Five leaving tree leftIs it possible to start a new skill regarding musical talent by putting a few exp towards it?
>>41795655Ki strike 4 ->5 = 20 points left over.Diplomacy 2->4 = 4 point left over.Also how about 5 points into intelligence.
>>41795750Five into ki puts us at the next ki bracketPure diplo has higher gains right now
>>41795779Charisma: Rank 5Charisma is the ability to get people to like you gives you +1 per rank to social rolls.andDiplomacy: Rank 2Diplomacy is the ability to get people to do what you want gives you +2 per rank to rolls involving talking. Reginald's abusive past leaves this ability overlooked, he prefers to kill his way out.I do not see us failing any diplomacy checks any time soon.at diplomacy 4 that is 8+5 = 13. added onto our rolls.Fairly certain we should be able to past most rolls.
>>41795744Sure, I can get behind this. Foulcurse could be pretty hard to convince due to our skellingtons, and I doubt hiding them would fool a magically inclined tribe. Getting them would be an immense step towards making everything hugely better.There is a chance that they might not care, or even possibly approve, of the smart use of labor skeletons. But I wouldn't count on that possibility.
Rolled 2, 1, 3, 10, 10, 8, 7, 4, 1, 5, 3, 2 = 56 (12d10)Magic rolls!I kind of hope that the qm continues after he comes back from the store, this is my favorite questI understand if he cant tho
Rolled 10, 8 = 18 (2d12)
Rolled 9, 4, 3, 9, 5, 9, 4, 6, 10, 1, 4, 4 = 68 (12d10)>>41796105Whoops i mixed up something
I sort of want to have the skeletons start farming the eating plants, gaining lots of seeds. Well, when we get a surplus of skeletons.
>>41795744The ??? ability is a plot thing, no exp can help you unlock it right now sorry.
>>41796466Ah, so the ??? skill is music?
>>41796485It is a magic thing not music.
Dont forget to update the tribe info to include new forging capabilities, landfill, and the housing that was put inAre the gobs still fairly ineffective despite the training and the training areas?Can we have a tracker for quality of life and or health of the tribe? All the efforts towards cleanliness and healthy sources of food n water make me wanna measure that shit.
>>41795589What are active zones?
>>41796608In the past you came across strange lighted areas that everyone ignored. Later the shaman told you that the humans in white coats come and go from those areas by using the strange GPS devices. Goblins that try to follow never come back.
>>41796093>>41796118> 2, 1 phone – N/A> 3, 10 grey dragonscale – N/A> 10, 8 lamp – N/A> 7, 4 iron shield – This enchanted iron shield has a fancy inscription of a smaller shield on its face. The bearer of the shield takes half damage from non-magical ranged attacks.> 1, 5 Book of spells – N/A> 3, 2 Book of witchcraft – N/A> 9, 4 Grimoire – N/A> 3, 9 Lich spellbook – N/AN/A As usual means you have failed to meet the DC required to learn more about the things.You are unable to meet the DCs for five of the eight unknown items right now, but you could always try to mess with your items to try and get a reaction.For the spell books it looks like you are raising ki to 20? Then I’ll hold off on things the other shaman may know about them until the Foulcurse arrive.
>>41796710Will the iron shield work when strapped to one's back?
>>41796763I don't see why not, Reginald is a big guy so I guess you'll want to be doing this instead of carrying around your magic backpack in combat.And because I forgot this have a free item ID:iron greatsword - This enchanted sword has an extremely sharp edge and it cackles with electricity. (+1 mundane and electric damage) The blade of the sword is transparent and wispy; the semi-corporal blade allows it to fully interact with incorporeal beings. (Ghost touch)
>>41796810Yeah, put hypo in pouch, strap shield to back, equip that Greatsword for the coming battle, manIs the old sickeater chief the most skilled combat goblin we have? If he is, maybe lend him the bonetooth sword for the fight.I thought of an awesome idea. Position a repeating ballista at one iron rimmed mirror in the camp. Strap the mirror to us, or to the side of a fast mount. Ballista fires huge as fuck bolts while the mount runs around an enemy mirror side towards it.Of course, we only have arrows and crossbows right now. We could still perform a lesser version of the strategy.
Updated character sheet with what I think was the most popular thing. Also gave a free rank in Charisma for ‘musical talant’. Items like the lamp, the phone, the flask or Hypospray are the sort of things you currently have to play around with that you have no idea what they do. Also enjoy another 10 skeletons raised from your favorite stolen necromantic artifact gem.
>>41796520I'd like to know/ for this too.
Either the scientists are trying to investigate the lost cleaner, or...perhaps worse for us...they detected what we're doing with the goblins and desperately want to put a stop to it.Too bad for them that even with guns and armor, they won't stand a chance. We've trained and outfitted ourselves and the goblins too well, and the foulcurse will flank at least some when coming to us. And you don't fuck with an army of mages.
>>41796520>>41797220Updated goblin information, I think I got everything of note.
>>41797429How happy are the shamans currently? I bet they love the shaman temple. Extremely nice, btw!I bet we have the highest sanitation and quality of life out of all the tribes.i wonder if we could upgrade to a magic forge where goblins of different types can be sacrificed for incredible upgrades, when foulcurse join us. That'd be a kekworthy overlord ref.
Freakin love this quest, man. Is this your first one? Because if so, fan fuckin tastic start, man. Been with it from the start, and have never been disappointed. Jousting tigers, killing manticores, becoming an honorary goblin and a chief. Killin liches and givin spiders stitches. It's really awesome, man. I always eagerly await the next thread.
>>41798236Yes this is my first time writing a quest, I’m working on writing better and longer entries.Thanks for the vote of confidence and thanks for playing.
I just realized the poison squads are magical. Do they know any spells, or do they just have potential?Either way, in their spare time they should train under the shamans for a little extra efficiency and or broader knowledge.