Remember, we are the exception, not the rule. That's why we are here.

>>41285465
Not OP, but it's still strange that it's ALWAYS charisma or something related to charisma. Why can't there be a setting where humans are the strongest, the most durable or the most intelligent?

The problem is that humans are depicted as completely generic, and thus they get a bonus to the most meaningless and inconsequential stat of all.

>>41285660
Really? I always see humans being shitted out as the "adaptive" race/species.

>>41285660
>Charisma
>Meaningless and inconsequential
Not in my games.

>>41285706
It has that reputation because of murderhobo groups which never do anything but fight, and 'heavy RP' groups who judge diplomacy checks based on how well the player phrased an argument, ignoring the roles.

Charisma is only useful if your DM will let you get away with just rolling it without having to make a full-on speech.

>>41285660
There are, but those are usually found in HFY threads, and we've all seen what happens there. I'll take generic over that.

>>41285660
>>41285431

I always thought humans got bonuses to stuff like Charisma because they couldn't survive without being good at diplomacy. I mean generic elves can blow you out with magic or archers or nature shit. Dwarves tend to have good warriors or tech. Similar stories for other races. The only reasons Humans could survive in a world where they aren't the apex predator would be through allies. Just my 2 cents though.

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>>41285660

My setting has humans being the strongest.

Because all the other races are like 3 to 4 feet tall, so humans are certainly the strongest.

The most diplomatic are the kobolds, because they are so nonthreatening and unoffensive, and their big families mean they have contacts everywhere.

>>41285793
>Charisma is only useful if your DM will let you get away with just rolling it without having to make a full-on speech.

I always figured the standard was the check was supposed to represent how well it goes over, as well as some potential for the character's capabilities to smooth out the rough points such as stuttering or poor choice of words, or perhaps cock it up entirely.

>>41285431
Because of game balance.

If other races are given stat bonuses to reflect their traditional fantasy archetypes (elves having a bonus to archery, dwarves having a bonus to crafting, etc.) then humans need a bonus as well.

The alternative, of course, would be to have humans as the base-line race with no bonuses and balance the bonuses of other races with penalties (elves might suffer a toughness/con penalty, dwarves might suffer a charisma penalty). But that forces an even higher level of specialization for non-human characters, which in turn limits player choice in a way that may be unappealing to some.

>>41286045
This.

Then again, humans could always be the wisest.

The "niche" of humanity in multi-fantasy-race settings is agriculture, irrigation, shepherding, and trading. I also treat humans as being good at tanning and leatherworking, engineering such as dams, and mass manufacturing if it exists.

Mass manufacturing of lots of things to a certain acceptable quality, rather than one or ten legendary mythic bespoke brilliant things.

Industrial-revolution manufacturing processes, big furnaces, factories.

>>41285431
Ever played king of dragon pass?

>>41285873
You mean in a world where elves routinely prey on humans for sustenance?

>>41285431
always thought it was because they were the most common, hence people are most comfortable around them

>>41285660
>Why can't there be a setting where humans are the strongest, the most durable or the most intelligent
Because humans aren't that strong or durable. It takes quite a bit of work to be able to lift a decent amount of weight in proportion to our mass. We have to use materials to make ourselves more durable and resistant to the elements. That shit doesn't come naturally to us. If we are the strongest or most durable, the other choices are not worth looking at.

Intelligence is another matter, though. Plenty of settings have smart(er) people compared to other species.

>>41285913
>the standard was the check was supposed to represent how well it goes over

Have fun trying to pull that one in a game. The GM will always dictate results based on your OOC charisma, unless he pities you.

I just make all my characters dump charisma, because I can never portray a character who is good with people.

Humans adapt socially, that's why there are so many cultures of humans but other races tend towards a single niche. Other races just can't adapt socially. Humans are the dogs of the humanoid races. They aim to please as a survival trait. They adapt to their surroundings socially. They're more innately able to pick up on nuances that other races can't see because other races don't have that trait.

>>41285899
>Kobolds are now fantasy-Italians/Mexicans.
So gonna steal this...

>>41289339
That actually sounds kind of cool. I might use that in a future setting. All the typical fantasy races are twisted versions of themselves with humans at the bottom of the food chain, literally.

>>41290380
Humans do have the best stamina out of all land animals. We can run for longer distances before passing out thanks to sweat glands.

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I feel like humans should be the most short lived out of the normal sized species, mainly cause that's normal. Also, humans should seemingly be at war constantly, be it tribe war, holy war, land war, or resource war. Other races should know war of course, it's just that the humans never fucking stop. Because of this, humans are by far the best warriors/bowmen, weapon crafters, and field medics, but the worst with magic and non-war technology.
Basically every man is raised a warrior and every woman is raised to be a medic, and there's little to no education aside from teaching how to fight and how to plough a field. The nobles are basically just the ones with the full plate and the horses, and are basically legendary to all humans until another noble kills them.
Human alignments are mainly just Chaotic, good or evil usually depends on what nation they're in.
Oh and they just get flat out attack and constitution bonuses.

Hope this doesn't sound autistic

Lets say you give humans hellacious con because we're so hard to kill compared to a lot of the other shit out there.

What would you give the diplomacy bonuses to instead?

>>41285660

> Why can't there be a setting where humans are the strongest,

You mean like Tolkien?

>>41292113
Its pretty minor in the grand scheme of things, only a few civs actually used the tactic of exhausting prey to hunt

>>41292619
Can't say I'm a fan of the whole 'humans are super warlike' as it seems natural for any sort of competitive species to reach the same level

>>41292113
I thought wolves still had us beat (more long-distance muscle, less 'explosive' muscle or something)

>>41294713
Other way around also wolves are the only other thing (that I can think of) that can do exhaustion hunting also why they where one of the first things domesticated.

>>41292113
>thanks to sweat glands.
You mean the things that every other humanoid race in fantasy has?

Unless you play in a setting where elves pant cutely instead of sweating.

>>41285431
Humans in my setting get a "bonus" to creativity and ingenuity.
>The Dwarves are stubborn and refuse change.
>The elves are steeped in tradition and ritual
>The Orcs are brash and hotheaded
>The Halflings are complacent
>The Gnomes are overcomplicated
>The Dragonborn are honorific, and refuse to question their superiors
>The Minotauren prefer to either charge the problem head on, or avoid it alltogether.
But the Humans do none of these things.
Humans will see a problem, and devise a strategy to solve it, even if it takes great time or effort.
They are thinkers and engineers, not the most intelligent to ever exist, but they do not let laws, tradition, honor, and past rivalries define them.
It was humanity that created vast empires under one banner without bloodshed.
It was humanity that pushed architecture and construction past their previously concieved limits.
It was humanity that devised new weapons and armor to combat their foes while maximizing their effeciency, and minimizing their losses.
It was humanity that created artworks never before seen, and writings never even dreamed about.

Humans should serve as a base because we're humans and we understand everything relative to us. Orcs are strong because, compared to humans, they're slightly stronger on average. Still, humans need to have some kind of extra thing to give you a reason to play them.

I prefer the system where, as playing a human, you get to pick one of your bonuses while the other races get two preset bonuses and one preset penalty. I don't use the phrase "adaptive" to describe it but rather that humanity is more diverse than the other races.

In most settings, this tends to be true. Humans are spread out and have tons of different kingdoms and cultures, so your Sparta Humans tend to be a bit stronger than your average human. Meanwhile, other races tend to be more concentrated and monoculture. True, elves can also be diverse, but generally they make new elf races when they're really very different (like dark elves).

I understand people going alternative routes. Charisma/diplomacy isn't bad. It's safe because there aren't a ton of other races where diplomacy is their thing, usually it's more like altering their minds magically (like a siren's song) to control them.

If you want to give your humans something extra, you could also give them the human spirit: humans are more determined than other races, so they can apply a bonus to one roll every day. Or maybe the gods really like humans, allowing you to reroll a single roll every day, taking the best results. Because I like active racial abilities, those are two things I've given humans (although not together) to give them a little extra and make people want to play them.

>>41295139
>a setting where elves pant cutely instead of sweating
Good heavens, I didn't know how much I want this until you mentioned it.

>>41290744
I'm pretty sure most games that include such mechanics include guidelines for how it's supposed to go over.

>>41295144
>It was humanity that created vast empires under one banner without bloodshed.
I'm curious, has that ever happened in reality?

>>41295386
As a DM I use charisma in order to feed the PC's info about what the NPC would be receptive to.

>>41285660
I once saw a system where humans got a bonus to lying

>>41285431
Because we spent years complaining about being the baseline

You see this in sci di games all the time. It's because we always portray fantastic races as monocultural while humanity is made of diverse cultures so tolerance and negotiation comes more natural to us and it easily makes humans the center of the political world.

I think it's a good trope.

>>41295139
Well, to be fair, I actually do have a race in my setting that active radiates heat rather than sweating.

>>41296017
I feel there's a good basis for this, too. If humanity hadn't evolved during an ice age (which made crossing to every corner of the globe possible) we might have had a much more singular culture.

Common answer to every one of these threads and a reminder to anyone who asks it

we are the baseline from our own perspective
the reason we are never an outlier or an oddity is because it is very difficult for us to think of ourselves that way since we are all we deal with

humans taking general bonuses to cha is simple and broad and means that we make versatile creatures that we can base all the other crazy odd creations we come up with off of

>>41295585
If you accept that humanity at various periods has always had a little bloodshed (border skirmishes, banditry etc), then yes, the unification of Germany was fairly bloodless?

>>41298193
I'm pretty sure that the war of 1870 (that united Germany around Prussia against France) actually was a war, you know. With dead people and terrible conditions and sub-par food and all.

>>41295139
Holy shit yes that would be great

Is it still not rape or does the lack of sweat glands make them to different from normal elves to count

not that it's not rape if it's an elf is anything but worst meme

>>41298261
But that was a defensive war!
SmugBismarck.jpg

But yeah, I see your point.

>>41298193
>Centuries of in fighting
>Bloodless

>>41285431

I mean, at the end of the day it depends completely on the setting and how the other races behave in order to fit them all in nice thematic way.

Does it make sense for diplomatic humans in a setting where the elves are peace makers and rule the world? Or a setting where the undead stalks a ruined land, charisma probably makes less sense.

>>41298292
>>41295585

>Heinlein was right.

i forget what did heinlein do

he made books where the enemy wasn't bad right?

>>41298358
It depends on your interpretation but in some of his books he advocates that not only is violence and naked force right but also in many situations their use is preferable to other methods such as diplomacy.

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>>41298395


That is not a wrong way of looking at things in some situations, though.

>>41298457
It's not, I was trying to speak impartially save for that the common view today is that violence is commonly see as wrong and only right under certain circumstances and that diplomacy is typically seen as the foremost option if feasible.

>>41298358

only thing I know about heinlein is he created starship troopers and influenced David Gerrold a lot

Well, notable aspects of humans compared to animals is intelligence, sociality and endurance.
Still, I like humans have their quirks in fantasy/scifi settings. Current (modern) fantasy essentially depicts them as a minor race that lost their magic in cataclysm that destroyed their magnificent magic empire. Relatively cunning and intelligent bastards who try to stay low on radar.
In scifi I want to portray them as vagrants from milky way ( setting being in Andromeda ) who are really, really into genetic engineering and biological/mechanical augmentation, flying on living ships.

wanna know one thing that humans are supposed to be better than other races at?

running. especially stamina running. and other stamina-based activities. Only horses can run more than an human.
some niggers that were not smart enough to invent sticks used to hunt by chasing the prey for more hours than the animal could bear.
it's mostly due to our sweat system.

>>41285660
Because, as humans ourselves, we're the baseline from which everything else deviates. It makes it easier to visualise everything else

>>41290744
>The GM will always dictate results based on your OOC charisma, unless he pities you
I see someone's been taking autistic people on /tg/ a bit too seriously again.

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In the real world humans are best at many things compared to various animals.

STR: Low on the scale. Many animals of similar scale are stronger.
CON: Humans are excellent endurance runners. We're also excellent at things like construction and labor, being able to work far longer than many other animals can.
DEX: We're fairly low, here.
INT: We're top-tier for our world.
WIS: We're dumbasses but still top tier in our world.
CHA: We have a lot of members and very complex social structures. We're top tier again.

Now fantasy introduces other species that are specialized at things. When you come right down to it humans are going to lose out to them by definition.

In reality humans are still going to have our standout features. We're still excellent in terms of endurance. We're still extremely smart. We're still extremely socially adaptable and flexible.

Dwarves have to be better than us at endurance by default. I remember reading a book once where the stubby legged dwarves ran all day and night in armor as fast as a human could, in spite of that being the dumbest goddamn thing ever. Yet that is what it takes to outdo a society of humans where people are in shape and running is common. Historical examples have us well outdoing horses over longer distances.

Humans don't really have good competition in terms of intelligence. We really should get points to it, save that we all know a few massive dumbasses in real life. Still, that mostly comes down to education, not capacity.

Wisdom is pretty hard to measure. It's easy to place us higher or lower than we deserve depending on how optimistic or cynical you are. We're wiser than base animals. Older races SHOULD be wiser.

But no one should really top us in Charisma. We have a big population density but we manage it. We're utterly social animals that actually go mad when cut off from human contact. Just look at how crazy we are in democracies. Humans that are good at being charismatic are REALLY good.

>>41299199
Also in reality dwarves should be a lot better at taking hits than humans but humans should be able to run goddamn circles around dwarves.

Neanderthals were basically Dwarves and that's how it turned out. They could take looney levels of damage but they were much slower. They were also much worse at ranged combat.

Still, most games don't really clarify the difference. Being tough =/= having good endurance for whatever reason.

>>41299199
>We have a big population density but we manage it.

We're about reaching the point of collapse.
Look at Japan.

>>41299282
Yeah, WE are. Looking at fantasy world population densities we're actually extremely comfortable.

We're also managing well enough. Japan isn't experiencing population growth because they're overpopulated and the people get it. So is much of the world.

The issues of collapse aren't social in any case, but material. Having enough food and the like.

Humans seem to be able to manage no matter how many of us there are.

>>41299282
Hardly. Japan's issue isn't population density, it's a sociocultural system that devalues the individual and personal achievement coupled with long-term economic decline.

>>41295585
Possibly some of the more powerful nations of pre modern south east asia.

>>41295828
That's pretty good actually.

Why doesn't detect alignment use charisma?

>>41299199
>DEX: We're fairly low, here.
No we are not.
Dexterity also includes using their finders and construct things. Also standing on two feet makes us in different things more agile than any animal.

>>41299529
Dex is an aggregate so we average out.

>>41292966
>humans
>hard to kill compared to the vast majority of animals

Say what?

>>41299282
Japan isn't overpopulated by any means, what the hell? Their looming crisis is actually in not having -enough- people to reproduce their labor force, and having a welfare-economy structured entirely around subsidizing inefficient industries instead of accepting a sustainable level of immigration.

>>41299595
We generally heal quicker and more completely than any other mammals.

>>41299595
When you're living day-to-day any major injury becomes a death sentence. Living in communities like humans means that we help each other out in cases like that

>>41299607
>immigration

Sure it helps in the short term but this is the worst possible response to insufficient birth rates in the long term. Unless you do something like some countries where they only get extended work permits and not citizenship.

They should try to encourage their own native population to have more kids.

>>41299607
>low birth rates indicate a lack of overpopulation
That's not how that works, Anon. You can simultaneously be overpopulated, and have a birth rate crisis. The reason for that is age demographics. If the average age of your population is astronomically high compared to the average, you have a birth crisis regardless of how many people you've jammed into livable territory you control, because the true concern is in the state of the country after those people die.

I'm not necessarily referring to Japan here, by the way. I'm just highlighting the error.

>>41299638
>Unless you do something like some countries where they only get extended work permits and not citizenship.

Terrible plan. If you have birthright citizenship then you're stuck with a population that is never more than one generation removed from immigrants and have integration issues. If you lack birthright citizenship you create a perpetual underclass.

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>>41285660
In my setting humans are the fastest learners with the highest potential outside of combat. I'm making a tabletop based off of it and they receive vastly more skill point equivalents than everyone else, plus their skill cap is higher. I mean fuck, we went from wooden sailing ships to watching other humans walk on our moon from our scrying screens atop our skyscraper metal towers, all in a century and a half.

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>>41299236
Neanderthals were just all around stronger and more physically capable than humans in every way. They were the same height or taller than humans and there's no evidence at all that they were slow. Considering their muscular builds they were almost certainly much faster and nothing suggests they had poor hand-eye coordination considering how many throwing spears they created.

The most likely reason they aren't around instead of us is because their larger bodies consume far more calories and thus in times of famine they would not be as able to get by on limited food, that or we literally fucked them out of existence and they live on in us.

>>41299668
And deliberately allowing yourself to be replaced in your own country is better?

>>41299749
>we literally fucked them out of existence and they live on in us.

That's exactly it, by the way. Down syndrome is from neanderthal throwbacks, and no I'm not kidding in anyway, go look it up.

>>41299749
big = slow is such a silly meme

Probably not helped by all the big guys these days being big hefty beefcakes slowed down by showy muscles rather than useful ones

>>41299803
Never skip legs day.

>>41299783
Down Syndrome is a genetic defect caused by your cells erroneously having a third copy of chromosome 21. It's a birth defect, not a genetic trait passed down from Neanderthals.

Neatherthals more likely just gave us red hair.

What are you, retarded?

>>41299773
It's called integration. Fluency in a native language rapidly drops off in descendants of immigrants with complete linguistic shifts in the grandchildren of immigrants incredibly common as long as immigrants aren't forced into incredibly insular communities. If you have immigration, you need to either allow immigrants to become full citizens otherwise you're not actually solving your demographic issues.

>>41299829
You caught me, my ancestors were Neanderthals.

>>41299838
This. Half-white half-asians with fluent american or english accents come off as fully functional bros & hoes, it's the one instance where I can actually ignore race.

>>41285660
>charisma useless, meaningless and inconsequential

look at this fucking nerd

>>41285660
Because humans have the most interracial sex.

>>41299829
This. It's called trisomy 21 for a reason, not Neanderthalis Detrimentus or some shit. It's a genetic mistake where the mixing of the 21 first female and male chromosomes goes wrong and the combined genetics in the 21st section contain three copies of the chromosome rather than the two it's supposed to. Rather than the zygote dying off like in most cases of such genetic malfunctions, it alters the genetic instructions in a way that causes the body to develop in the way we observe in Downs victims.

It's not a gene, phenotypical or genotypical, it's an error in the spindle attachment when the chromosomes mix during conception.

>>41294257
>Doesn't know anything about Tolkein

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>>41294830
Even walking around a town with a dog, he'll get tired long before you do.

>>41292113
We can...trot. Kind of, at long distances. "Humans are expert joggers" is a poor selling point.

>>41299904
Well, to be fair, Tolkien pussyfies alot of the races compared to where he got his inspiration for them. I mean, the elves. Come on. Compared to the Norse elves he drew his inspiration from, they're wimps of the highest degree.

>>41285431
Because mistakes were made.

>>41299838
That only works with people than has a cultural and let's call it racial equivalent, even now in Latin America you can see the racial divide and they have lived with each other for hundreds of years even when culturally they share lot's of things.

>>41299929
>Doesn't know anything about Tolkien

>>41299993
What you're observing is nationalism, boss. A concious effort on the part of the ruling class to maintain hegemony by forcing their proles to great and hate one another. Like racism and sexism.

>>41300028
Fear* and hate

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>>41300028
>Nationalism is the government/ruling class' fault
>Implying the ruling class isn't trying to destroy nationalism so that they can safely import brownskins that work for less and demand less
>Implying nationalism is good for business

>>41300028
>What you're observing is nationalism, boss. A concious effort on the part of the ruling class to maintain hegemony

You can't be this retarded. Globalism is perfect for government and corporations. Why do you think european governments encourage Erasmus?

>>41285431
Because jack of all trades is too boring, and anything other than diplomat/trader causes autists to sperg out and cry "HFY mary sueism! Fucking racists!"

>>41286105
I kind of like that idea. In a world where every race has it's own definite, objective strengths, the question "why are we here?" would seem at first glance to be obvious and not worth thinking about. An orc would see that he and his people are stronger than other races and conclude that their purpose is to employ their strength. An elf thinking of his race's dexterity would conclude that their clear purpose is to create and craft. A dwarf would consider their fortitude to be an obvious sign that their purpose is simply to endure.
The long life of elves and dwarves would compound this. Their lives as a whole lack the urgency that drives so much of philosophy. An immortal being will never go through a midlife crisis. A dwarf expecting to see a millennium go by won't be concerned if they aren't married by 40. The idea of a life's work would be foreign to them, because no work could possibly last their lives. Old age and infirmity, the feeling that the useful time of their lifespan is over, are things they may never experience.

Only the humans, who lack a clear strength or weakness, would be directionless. A human who wants a family has a scant decade or two of adulthood to work with before they grow too old to bear children or too weak to support them. A craftsman knows that the hands which which he spent years mastering his trade have only so many years more before age cripples them. If the orcs are strong and elves are quick and dwarves are hardy and so on and so forth, what does that leave for Man? What are we to do, when we have so little time to do it?
Perhaps man is meant to ask these questions.

>>41300073
Because European governments are socialist, and serve their proletariat. We were talking about the Americas

>>41300028
Nigger kike

>>41300143
>literally being this retarded

>>41300050
Its like you think the ruling class only has one opinion between them.

>>41300143
America is doing the exact same thing: Less nationalism equals to more votes from mexicans and nig nogs and more low wage workers from mexicans.

>>41299642
Nah. A state can be overpopulated and have a low birth rate, but it would by definition cease to be a labor crisis in that context. The economy shifts towards meeting the needs of old and retired people, and healthcare becomes a large portion of GDP spent as we suck out their pensions with the fangs of their ballooned demand-- in other words, the status quo of the developed world (birthrates have declined below replacement in pretty much every post-industrial country except France and the United States.)

>>41299638
This would mean a massive expansion of direct welfare benefits that would be extremely political untenable. That's why it hasn't happened in Japan. And even with that, you won't fix the problem entirely. Wealthy people have fewer kids, no matter what kind of support is offered them. It works really fucking great in France in combination with their immigration policy.

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>>41300153
It's like you think they don't. Especially in america.

What, do you think republicans and democrats ACTUALLY oppose eachother? They're both in the companies' pockets, otherwise they wouldn't unanimously try to pass TTP and TTIP.

>>41300145
>>41300152
37:12
38:13

I'm onto you, virgin. Nobody is impressed by your white nationalism.

>>41300178
>>>tumblr
>implying Asians and most latinos aren't honorary aryans

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>>41300178
>Spout retarded opinions
>Whine about white nationalism after you get slapped

I didn't want to believe that this place became /co/-lite, but here we are.

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>>41300199
Better than nyukkas thats for sure.

>>41300199
Except the chinese. The chinese are straight up subhuman. Every non-chinese asian agrees. All west asians I met sperged the fuck out about them.

>>41300199
>Latinos.
I hate that term, Latinos were the tribes allied with Rome, and if you want to stretch it anyone than speak a latin descendent language, it's not a race and it's very bad for agglutinating alld those cultures, even if only in the Americas, becasue you have people like the Haitians and Uruguayans as the same ethnicity, when they don't have anything to do with each other.

>>41300213
EVERYTHING is better than niggers. Well, except gypsies. Gypsies could be ALL wiped out and nothing would change. No, wait, actually EVERYTHING WOULD GET BETTER.

God, it baffles my fucking mind how these people can even exist. They even managed to out-nig niggers. A while ago, there was a news reportage about gypsies stealing bikes from an all black neighborhood.

>>41285431
Make humans the best race at teaching concepts to each other/learning from each other.
Elves might be more intelligent as individuals but just cant teach each other for shit.
Orcs might be almost as good at teaching each other but have a normal intelligence much lower than humans.

So humans always have more skills, and tech propogates faster among them?

>>41300237
They are the scum of India.
Let it sink.

>>41300177
This is gross oversimplification, to the point of being propoganda from those very groups. Nobody is "in someone's pocket." That's a proletarian myth, because /we/ can be owned, so we figure they are owned, too. They aren't. Whatever their deal is, it is a deal. They are getting what they want, as human (or demi-human) individuals. They do not want all of the same things. Plenty of Republicans really don't want immigration. Plenty of Democrats really want equal treatment. They will seek to achieve these ends, because they are the ruling class. Their politics may be for sale...but the persons cannot be bought.

>>41300232
>Latinos

You mean latins. Language is funny like that. They should just be called romance if they are identified after the language they speak, cause they sure as hell are not spanish colonists.

>>41300244
>Even fucking india didn't want them

Romanians should've just kept them as slaves. NOBODY demanded from them to release them. There was no political movement or great power demand. They literally did it out of the kindness of their hearts and the gypsies repaid them by destroying their international image.

>>41285899
>The most diplomatic are the kobolds, because they are so nonthreatening and unoffensive, and their big families mean they have contacts everywhere.

So they're Filipinos in the US Navy?

>>41300213
I don't know, some can be decent people. They're an overwhelming minority, though.

>>41300219
Agreed, chinks are dogs

>>41300232
Hispanics* then, you autistic fuck.

>>41300205
Sorry, did you have any kind of argument or evidence? I must have missed it in your outraged braying. Please. Elaborate.

>>41300153
Frankly they do. When it comes to economic and foreign policy both parties are largely in alignment. The differences are 70% factionalism and 30% hot-button corner-case morality issues that are easy to have an argument about because they appeal to emotion well enough that people form opinions quickly, but occur infrequently enough that those opinions are not immediately confronted with reality.

Democrats and Republicans don't hate each other because of what the other party believes. They hate them because they're the Other Party.

>>41300247
Put the vodka down, Ivan.

>>41300219
This is like saying all Inuit think white people are barbarians

>>41300268
That's the same but for people than speaks Castilian, a Mexican and an Argentinian only share tehy hate for each other about Football.

>>41300293
BROWNIES

FUCK

>>41300282
You're talking about minimum 534 different humans, and you're telling me they all want the same things? Two humans who spend all their time fucking each other can't even manage to want the same things, anon.

>>41300309
There's bigger bodies of humans who all want the same thing.

>>41300292
That really isn't remotely similar at all. That's a subset scorning a superset, while his claim was a superset scorning a subset.

>>41300289
Does it hurt to be reminded you belong to a bank? Sorry, my bad.

>>41299749
They were shorter and didn't have shoulders well suited to throwing.

>>41300321
Thing/s/ anon. And, I mean, if you think there are any two people on the planet who want the same things, you either don't know a lot of people, or only hang out with drug addicts.

>>41285431

Because some developers are retarded and don't understand the importance of a baseline to use as a reference frame for literally everything else.

>>41300301
But argentina es white.

>>41300322
... No? West Asians are not the superset of East Asians, bro. That's...fucking ridiculous. They are both subsets of Asian, if you like. My point was, you are describing the opinions that the conquered exile holds of their conquerors/exilers. It's not an impressive statement.

>>41300282
>Democrats and Republicans don't hate each other because of what the other party believes. They hate them because they're the Other Party.

I hate liberals because of their agenda to destroy the White race, not just because they tag themselves as liberals.

>>41300309
>You're talking about minimum 534 different humans, and you're telling me they all want the same things?
Is remotely difficult to believe? There's a difference between "everybody wants these things" and "everybody wants the same things." There's a lot of common ground, especially on the less subjective and emotional aspects of running a country, and more to the point, one completely unanimous desire in Congress is to remain in office. Take a look at what happens after the presidency changes parties; you'll note that one thing that DOESN'T happen is attempts to repeal the trade agreements, fiscal policy, and so forth passed by the previous administration, even if it was a point of debate at the time. That's because the topic of a political debate is far less important than the act of debating. What they want is a steady stream of issues that they can use to motivate voters. Once a topic is old news, all their bitter objections fade away in favor of bitter objections to newer, more visible things.

>>41300381
How does it feel to be on the losing side of that one? You know Conservative leadership lives the destruction of the white race, right? Galls you fellas into voting, grows their working class.

>>41300380
>West Asians are not the superset of East Asians, bro. That's...fucking ridiculous
And the primary claim was about"all non-chinese Asians", not just west Asians, which was a supplementary claim.

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>>41300423
Whites have been on the losing side until late 1500, so we're accustomed to hardship. We'll bounce back.

>>41300406
Is absolutely impossible to believe e. I agree with everything you said here, but none of it supports your conclusion. Yes, of course, they all desire the retention of their power. They also all desire the GROWTH of their power, anon, and that comes at one another's expense. And ours, of course. Mostly ours. But also one another's. They are having a very real fight up there. It's all a scam to control and own us, but they are fighting viciously about the manner of its execution.

>>41300423
>How does it feel to be on the losing side of that one?

Bad.
I can only hope after the white man has finally been driven to extinction that they all choke on the spoiled earth.

>>41300430
The only non-chinese asians who don't hate the chinese are north koreans.

Who the fuck let /pol/ in?

>>41300463
Mugabe is now literally asking white farmers to come back.

So they will, anon. They will.

>>41300455
Yeah? You don't seem like much of a breeder, to me. All the people I see reproducing seem to be overwhelmingly not racists.

>>41300478
/pol/ lives in each of us.
You just have to look.

>>41300499
Blacks and hispanics are very racist. Racism has literally nothing to do with it. It has to do, however, with smart people realizing that if you marry you get gypped and that having more than 1 kid is a waste of time. The more successful someone is, the less kids they have.

>>41300478
Who the fuck let /tumblr/ in?

>>41300481
This warms my heart a little bit, especially when only a few months ago he was trying to force more of them out, thank you.

>>41300531
The chinese are also unrepentantly racist, bigoted and nationalistic. They also breed like rats, despite the fucking law.

>>41300531
Genghis khan would differ.

>>41299904
>>41299915


>Hasn't read Children of Hurin
>Hasn't read the passages about portaging the boats from Lorien.


Dude, this is oepn and shut. When it comes to physical, muscular strength, Humans are considerably stronger than elves, let alone any of the other "PC races".

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>>41300571
I think Mugabe either has Alzheimer's or lost his fucking mind.

>Well, the country's going to shit. Those reforms I proposed 5 years ago were a mistake.
>Sir, that was 15 years ago. And you kicked out all the white farmers.
>Oh, why did I do that? Let them back in.

>>41300531
Rrrrright...successful in terms of capitalist economic structures. You're trying to win a race war, boss. That takes at least two children per adult coupling.

>>41300578
Genghis Khan, notably, came from a nomad culture where you kind of sort of needed to make a shitload of kids because of massive birth death rates and because you needed all the loyal soldiers you could get. Plus his alcoholic fucking sons were the ones who literally raped every woman in their path, not him.

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>>41300593
I'm not fighting in the war. I live in an ethnically homogeneous white country and our diaspora women are extremely fertile. We are literally whitening other countries.

>>41285660
I like what they did with From the Violent Planet. Humans are the only non-psychic sentients in the galaxy. They're so not psychic in fact they are immune to mind control (the go-to weapon of war). Therefore humans are the only species to have made guns, they're the only ones who couldn't fire mind bullets into eachother's egos naturally.
Humans are the perfect interstellar mercenaries.

>>41300581
You're sourcing it with Christopher? What about in the Hobbit, where he describes dwarves as "shorter and stouter than Men, but stronger, and hardier too."

What about Feanor killing ten Balrogs? Glorfindel killing three? No man has /ever/ killed a Balrog of Moegoth, though I am quite sure Hurin or Turin could have, they certainly couldn't have taken ten.

What about Fingolfin breaking his and Berens chains on Tol en Guarath? Seems kinda notable that Beren was, you know, STILL IN THE CHAINS when it came time for chain - breaking.

>>41300628
Oh. So you're literally just a tumblr. You're an Internet tough guy.

>>41300461
Yes, they're all fighting like shit for power. My point is that when it comes to many of the topics they supposedly disagree on, they actually don't; they just put on a show about objecting without substance.

Both parties want to be in power, but when in power they mostly do the same things with a different coat of paint. They don't hate the other party because they believe different things, the claim to believe different things because they hate the other party. Their concern is not what course of action is best to take in a situation, but who gets to sit behind the wheel; the actual course is fluff.

To use an analogy: the country is a group of people headed on a road trip. The political parties are two guys who both want to drive. They both come up with their own route and pitch it to the passengers as a reason why they ought to take the wheel, while the other guy will get them stuck in traffic. The passengers mostly just want to get going already so that can pick up some food.
Both of them are driving to the same place on mostly the same roads. The only difference between them is which fast food place they stop at.

>>41300684
Huh?

>>41290744
>a shit GM will always dictate results based on your OOC charisma


Anything you say besides the roll should give a bonus/negative to the roll, not be the deciding factor.

>>41299199
>DEX: We're fairly low, here.
DEX also includes shit like manipulating things with fingers and ranged combat, two things that humans are pretty good at relative to the animal kingdom.

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>>41300756
Our DM just discounted charisma rolls like diplo or intimidate for roleplaying and had us rely on actual arguments and stuff to get people to do what we wanted just because one guy would roll diplomacy then throw a shitfit when the bandit leader didn't let us leave when he literally just said "Let us go." if he "passed" the roll.

Pic related every time he did that.

>>41300430
I have exactly the same response, though. You are telling me what the conquered think of the conqueror (India excepted) . It's relevant, but it's nothing like a demonstration of your conclusion. Not to mention, think of your own opinion of Canada and Mexico. Do you think those are entirely rational unbiased opinions?

>>41300478
/tg/ has always had a kernel of /pol/ situated in its belly, even before /pol/ was more than a fevered wet dream in moot's mind.

>>41300938
They are when said conquerors eat dogs and kill rhinos just because they think their horns give them boners.

>>41300712
You have strong opinions, deeply held, about the way things ought to be, and absolutely no interest (ability?) in doing anything but complaining about it on the Internet. On 4chan we call that 'tumblr'

>>41300959
...like white people?
Of course not. That would be silly. White people kill rhinos to /sell/ those horns. And we haven't eaten dogs in, like...ONE century. On purpose.

>>41300959
>>41301059
Of course...we (white people) do still mass-murder dogs on the scale of hundreds of millions, just the same. Sure we burn their corpses instead of eating them, but, like, that's all pretty semantic once they're dead.

>>41301059
Yeah it's whiteys who kill the rhinos and elephants, not the natives who are doing it for the chinese that are now investing and constructing and colonizing heavily in africa.

>>41301165
Do you even hear yourself? That just makes China way, way late to the "evil" party, which comprises all Europa and America.

>>41301224
China, notably, is not bringing stable governments, anti-biotics and farming techniques with them. Also the natives sold all they did, including slaves, to whites as well.

>>41300586
He doesn't have the benefit of having an opposing side in power when the chickens come home to roost, like American progressives (of either party).

>>41301314
>Europeans brought stable government to Africa

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What do you think stable means, exactly?

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>>41301401
Being stopped from dying, shitting in the woods and killing eachother so you can be exploited (british), trained and civilized (german), frolic around and sing (french) and have your hands cut off (dutch).

>>41301438
Then why is it they do more dying, shitting in the woods, and killing each other than they did before the Europeans showed up?

There are settings where sci fi setting technology of the future combined with fantasy races like Shadowrun and recently I was curious if there are any fantasy setting with fantasy races where they have some equivalent of modern fire arms and technology.
Like this crossbow which can fire multiple shots in a short amount of time.
Steampunk settings are not exactly what I am looking for.

>>41301467
Because their population exploded after europeans brought them stability and food, and they reverted to their normal ways.

>>41301512
Forgot the link
https://youtu.be/SodhzoAE6XE

>>41285431
Well I'm doing it in mine. And its real obvious:

80% of humans live by the coast
90% of trade is conducted over the seas
If one accepts elves live in forests mostly, derfs in mountains/underground, orcs in badlands etc, then humans are likely the trader race.

>>41285660
Because we don't know how humans vs elves and orcs would be physically, but we DO know where the vast majority of each live.

>meaningless and inconsequential stat

Depends on the RPG

>>41301467

>Then why is it they do more dying, shitting in the woods, and killing each other than they did before the Europeans showed up?

They don't. You think that because of a lack of records and golden age syndrome.

>>41300499
Statistically it seems the other way around, conservative Christian whites breed the most and lefty loos seem to do so the least.

>>41299595
Humans are actually very near the top of the animal kingdom in soaking up punishment. We many not have redundant organs, but those organs are surprisingly durable. Also, we have the capacity to override our pain responses and force ourselves to keep moving though everything from arterial bleeding (if we're fast enough to stop it) to broken bones.

Also, our endocrine/adrenal systems are possibly the most powerful and efficient on earth, and is a huge ace in the hole.

>>41300666
Satan, I really, REALLY don't believe they killed the balrogs by out muscling them. RPGs very often have str be only so so when you can be a finesse fighter instead.

>>41300666

>shorter and stouter than Men, but stronger, and hardier too

Is not in the book. It says that Dain's warriors are "extremely strong", but given you're narrating this out of a hobbit's perspective, it's not clear how strong that means.

It nowhere says they're stronger than men.

>What about Feanor killing ten Balrogs?

Never happened. It's not even clear there ARE ten Balrogs.

>Glorfindel killing three?

Never happened. He fought one to a tie.

> No man has /ever/ killed a Balrog of Moegoth, though I am quite sure Hurin or Turin could have, they certainly couldn't have taken ten.

Interestingly enough, you should re-read the confrontation on the Bridge at Moria. You'll notice who are the two members of the fellowship who are ready and able to fight the thing, and aren't falling all to pieces? How they're the two men?

>What about Fingolfin breaking his and Berens chains on Tol en Guarath

Fingolfin never met Beren you nitwit. Nor did he ever break anyone's chains.


Have you even read the fucking books you imbecile?

>>41285431
I like how Dungeons the Dragoning did it. Each race gets a choice between two characteristics their race is renown for as well as some skill dots at the start. Humans can choose one characteristic to boost up and one/two skills at char gen

>>41290380
Human are MEGAFAUNA. We're fucking colossal compared to vast majority of life on this planet and not only do we live a stupidly long time [about 10 millions times longer than a protozoa] but were are tougher and stronger than most life by ORDERS OF FUKING MAGNATUDE. We're bipedal, which is the best way to get around that isn't teleporting and no life in the known universe can fucking teleport. Think about that THE ONLY HING BETTER THAN US DOESN'T EXIST. The only thing more energy efficient than a human is a fucking bird and even then only when they're gliding.

And that's before even considering generative grammar, numericy, symbolism, vicarious learning and hypotheticals. We can learn from OTHER PEOPLE'S MISTAKES and from IMAGINARY SCENARIOS like holy shit I don't need to stick my dick in a fire to know it's hot. Jesus Fucking Christ humans are capable of DIALETIC THOUGHT we can have discussions in our own head and figure out things simply by considering to opposing ideas

LETS NOT FORGET WE CAN BUILD SHIT THAT IS LITERALLY BEYOND THE COMPREHENSION OF ALL OTHER LIFE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE like could you niggas imagine an earwig building a car? Those fuckers don't even know how to build a steam engine let alone internal fucking combustion. And slugs, what fuckign use are slugs? They can think. They can't speak. They can't operate machinary. A slug could never build a microchip or a laser pointer.

HUMANS HAVE HANDS like HOLY SHIT OPPOSABLE THUMBS and we are much better at using them than those retarded chimps that just sit around looking dopey BUILD A FUCKING AQUADUCT AND GET A BATH YOU FILHY APES

Holy shit, humans are so overpowered and broken it's no fucking wonder we need to make imaginary elfs and shit to challenge us god damn

>>41285431
It got started in the 1950 & 60s, projecting the writers hopes and dreams that mankind will have peaceful resolution to the issues that were facing the world back then. The cold war was young and rather ugly back then. Nukes were new, unknown in is long term effects, and getting smaller yet deadlier very quickly.Oh and just about everyone was working on getting them. Even the Sweden from 1957 to 1967.

Anyways Star Trek is what made the trope of human diplomacy into the mainstream. American & British Sci-Fi novels had being doing that since about 1954, 12 years earlier.

Source: one of my older players was very into Sci-Fi novels since he was young and had knew a lot about them. Many a good talks with about the subject.

>>41285800
Literally the only problem you can have with HFY is that humans aren't generic and boring.

>Humans: +2 con, +1 cha, -1 wis
Hardy, willful survivors with great endurance. The human's greatest asset is their determination. They're not so good at foresight and judgment.

>High Elves: +2 dex, +1 int, -1 cha
Extremely agile and quite intelligent, Elves are swift of both body and mind. Their aloofness and arrogance is a bit of a turn-off for others, though.

>Dwarves: +2 str, +1 con, -1 dex
The Dwarves are brawny and stout, and are capable of great feats of strength. They are physically resilient, but generally tire more quickly than humans. They are not particularly graceful.

>Halflings: +2 cha, +1 dex, -1 str
The life of the party. Halflings are affable, nimble, and extremely outgoing. They lack sufficient stature for physical power, however.

>Gnomes: +2 int, +1 wis, -1 con
Gnomes approach the world with curiosity and wonder. They are masters of living in the moment. They are highly intelligent with the patience to apply it, but are quite frail and can't take much punishment.

>Orcs: +2 wis, +1 str, -1 int
A naturalistic and shamanic people, in tune with nature and the spirits of the wild. While they are perceptive and strong, they tend to dismiss book-knowledge and facts as being for those who lack a true understanding of the world.

And those are the races in my campaign.

>>41299199
>INT: We're top-tier for our world.
>WIS: We're dumbasses but still top tier in our world.

Are we?

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/human-intelligence-versus-whales-and-dolphins/

>>41302229
Nice WoW Orcs, dickless.

>>41302280

No need to be rude, friend. :^)

>>41302304
Well I said they were nice.

>>41302261
>http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/human-intelligence-versus-whales-and-dolphins/
All it's saying is that humans are not the smartest IN SOME WAYS. Which is true.

It is NOT saying they are smarter than us as a rule.

>>41299199
>But no one should really top us in Charisma.
There are tons of social creatures on this planet. I'd say ants easily have a better Charisma than humans.

>>41302364
If humans were the undisputed champs, they'd be the smartest in all ways, wouldn't they?

>>41302364
Humans sure are smart at destroying this planet.

Meanwhile whales and dolphins are smart in ways that ensure the survival of their genetics for generations.

If you're looking at it from a completely alien perspective, where "building a tall building that creates tons of pollution and kills the planet" is far from an accomplishment, you'd probably think whales and dolphins are the Earth's dominant thinkers.

>>41302261
>>41302575
I think the issue is mostly solved by asking a simple question.

"Who built devices that allowed them to journey to the alien realm of the other species and then hunt and eat them?"

If orcas start coming out of the ocean in giant fishtanks to hunt us down for our sweet, sweet manflesh we've got cause to think of them as competitive intelligence wise.

And don't use being herbivores as an excuse. Humans started as herbivores. We got fed up with it and decided, "to hell with being eaten, we're doing the eating".

>>41301467
Your premise is false, but it's more brutal today.
Because they went from killing each other with sharp sticks to selling each other in exchange for guns in less than a generation and still haven't adjusted. The biggest dogs in the yard have tight grips on every piece of equipment that would enable common people to even try to oppose them.
And it's more public today because cameras and better worldwide information dissemination. When they mention the massive genocidal tribal conflicts of their past in their verbal history you don't see the gory details on your TV.

>>41290822
Like that HFY story where humanity is super cute in the eyes of every other alien race and decides to play it up to 11.

>>41302626
Humans haven't yet built a device that allows them to travel to alien life forms.

If aliens were writing a D&D game using Earth creatures, humans would probably get an Intelligence penalty and an even lower Wisdom penalty because they're the only creatures stupid enough to make their environment completely uninhabitable by them for no real good reason. They'd also be a bad guy race, like Orcs.

I don't even think an alien species would see us as the owners of the planet Earth considering we can't live on most of it.

>>41301520
Of they reverted, nobody brought them stability. All they did was drag them all into urban centers and throw every dozen or so tribes into a "country" that had nothing resembling stability, except the regular cargo ships of natural resources headed for Europe.

>>41301690
Only Aragorn stands, and using the Edain to demonstrate human superiority is like using a labrodoodle to demonstrate poodle superiority.

And I meant Finrod. Son of Fingolfin. Sue me.

>>41302737
>because they're the only creatures stupid enough to make their environment completely uninhabitable by them for no real good reason.
Animals constantly over-consume their local food sources and die off. This is a very basic idea in ecology. Learn more before you just start waving your ignorance around.

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>>41302737
>If aliens were writing a D&D game using Earth creatures, humans would probably get an Intelligence penalty and an even lower Wisdom penalty because they're the only creatures stupid enough to make their environment completely uninhabitable by them for no real good reason. They'd also be a bad guy race, like Orcs.

Horseshit. I hear this crap all the goddamn time. That's the NATURAL STATE of all animals.

There's the old example of the wolves and the rabbits. When there are too many wolves and too few rabbits there are too few rabbits, and the wolves starve to death. When there are too many rabbits and too few wolves they eat all the available foliage and reproduce like mad. Then they starve to death.

That is the natural state of all animals. ALL animals. Including humans. Reproduce until you have too many, then be eaten to be reduced to managable numbers or starve.

Humans are just unusual in that we have far, far more power to fuck things up than animals do because we make things. The poison coming from an abandoned copper mine that kills a river already existed in the mine - it just wasn't going to be pried up by animals.

What makes us unique beyond that is that we REALIZE it. We know that's the natural state of all animals - including us - and we actively work to prevent it. There are people who preserve and build and restore.

Us fucking up the world is just us being true to our animal nature. ANY animal would do it it if they could. Ask a beaver when it floods everything to build a house. What makes us human is the fact that we don't do it all the time.

>>41302809
Or their numbers thin off until it's no longer a problem.

Usually that sort of thing happens because human beings have fucked up their natural environment (such as killing off all their natural predators because wolves sure are spooky or just straight up destroying huge chunks of their food supply because gotta have space for another McDonalds).

Like, straight up, we're typing about stupid bullshit on a machine that is guaranteeing our children's children won't have a future. Tell me that's not the dumbest fucking thing.

>>41302833
The old example of the wolves and the rabbits: when there are too many rabbits, it's because humans killed off all the wolves. Good job, humans. Way to go.

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>>41302575

On the contrary, Captain. While we don't know much about sapient alien races because we totally haven't had first contact, we do know a few things about them -- that they'd be predatory tool users who didn't bloodily climb to dominance by being pacifists that went, "No, lets let the *other* tribe have our resources." Killing for resources is eminently logical. Not preserving life that serves no utilitarian purpose is eminently logical. Humans -- ever the sentimental sort -- do try to spare many forms of life that have outlived their usefulness, for all the good it does anyone.

And "kills the planet?" I like how you oscillate between self-deprecating false modesty, with humans being mentally inferior and so forth, and this inanely vain, anthropocentric world view. Humans cannot "kill the planet," at least not at the current level of technological sophistication on Earth. They can certainly cause extinction events, as have always happened in the past, and they could probably send themselves back into the stone age or even wipe themselves out, but life would certainly still go on without humanity.

Aliens -- presumably of course -- would likely be not unlike humans in all the ways you find so offensive. Predatory, competitive tool users who never got anywhere by turning the other cheek. Of course, humans might find intelligent aliens of the sort you idolize too -- like dolphins; naked, tool-less nomads with their favorite sport being a hundred and one ways to rape other life forms to death that can't fight back. What a great species to idolize and aspire to!

>>41285431
How would you explain why when people talk about an half-something the first half is human most of the time otherwise?

>>41302833
>actively work to prevent it

Pfffft.

Humans have pretty much doomed this planet for life as we know it like no other creature, but that's okay because I recycle and a beaver flooded an area (except not really, they actually do the opposite by preventing floods). Let me see how hard I can roll my eyes.

>>41302838
Stop typing on it then and move to a cave in the middle of nowhere, you luddite.

Technology isn't bad, we can use it to our advantage without harming the world, but greed and money make those in power turn a blind eye to what is right.

>>41302889
Thank you. I hate the people who think Dolphins are so fucking great. They rape more than humans! Which is saying something. I'd wipe out every single dolphin, the ugly perverse aquatic gang bangers.

>>41301879
Have you tried decaf coffee?

>>41302903
>(except not really, they actually do the opposite by preventing floods)
Do DO know what a dam does, right?

>>41302838
>Or their numbers thin off until it's no longer a problem.
Correct. They literally die until they reach a new equilibrium with their prey.
>Usually that sort of thing happens because human beings have fucked up their natural environment (such as killing off all their natural predators because wolves sure are spooky or just straight up destroying huge chunks of their food supply because gotta have space for another McDonalds).
No, it happens constantly, even without human involvement.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about but feel very strongly about it. That's just as big an issue as the environment.

>>41302838
You mean the same kind of powerful calculation machine used to design new genetically engineered crops that ensure everyone will get to eat? The same kind of machine that took us to the moon but thousands of times better? The kind of machine that gives us access to the limitless resources of -SPACE-?

Computers are what ensure we have a future. Go back and look at the daily life of someone living in a city in Rome or the Middle Ages or the 1800's. It was fucking miserable, short, and brutal. Hunter/gatherers had it better in some ways - save that if the weather changed everyone starves. Or if someone comes down with an illness you just die because medicine is based on someone's best fucking guess.

>>41302868
Or the wolves die out due to a virus introduced into their environment through entirely nonhuman means. Or the rabbits move to a new landmass with no natural predators because of the formation of a temporary landbridge.

A lot of species went extinct well before mankind came on the scene. Over 90% of all the species that have ever existed are gone. Gone for good. Why? Mass extinctions, 'nature' taking its course, and the world changing.

Ask the trilobite what he thinks of the fairness of nature. Oh wait, it's fucking DEAD.

Nature is made of suffering shared among all the creatures of the world trapped in an endless cycle of overconsumption and starvation. Those that master a niche and live in even harmony with their environment die when the world changes and that niche doesn't exist any longer.

Humans aren't perfect. What we are is an animal. Just like all the other goddamn animals out there. We're just smarter and don't fuck up ALL the time.

>>41302889
>Aliens -- presumably of course -- would likely be not unlike humans in all the ways you find so offensive.

For the aliens to have survived long enough to actually evolve their technology to the point that they're capable of reaching us from where ever they are, they'd have to be unlike us. Otherwise, they'd have destroyed their planet before reaching that technological breakthrough, sort of like what we're going to do. There's really no reason to assume they'd be remotely human beyond vanity.

And by "destroying planet" I mean making life unlivable for humanity. Yes, this planet will continue, and even life will continue, but it won't be human.

Sorry, but humans just aren't that smart.

>>41302903
Any life form that gets too good at what it does causes imbalances in the ecosystem. There certainly aren't any that are capable of grasping such things or exercising collective restraint besides humanity.

>Humans have pretty much doomed this planet for life as we know it like no other creature,

Yes, because another highly successful tool using species wouldn't tolerate another on their turf. What's your point?

>>41285431
Unlike you, most humans don't have autism.

>>41302868
When there are too many rabbits, there could be a variety of reasons. A mutation that reduces the number of rabbits killed, a sudden increase or decrease in food supply, a sudden decrease in predator populations, etc. This shit happens with or without human involvement.

>>41302942
http://www.scottishbeavers.org.uk/beaver-facts/beaver-trial-faqs/do-beavers-pose-a-flooding-threat/

>>41302954
>Sorry, but humans just aren't that smart.
All you've shown us is that one particular human isn't that smart. Every statement you've made that isn't just baseless, inarguable conjecture has been wrong.

>>41302954
It's equally plausible that they fucked up their home planet worse than we ever have and just fucked off into space. WE can go to space. We can also manage enclosed food production systems. It's more a matter of will than possibility at this point - humans COULD live in space, but that shit is expensive and living in space is hard.

The damage humans have done to the Earth is primarily causing disruptions in the food chain. That could cause an ecological collapse - but it sure as shit won't end life on earth. Not even close. Even a nuclear war wouldn't end all life on Earth. Humans, most likely. Not the rest of it.

The Earth itself is just fine and barely gives a fuck about us. It'll go on no matter what we do. Hell, life survived the early history of Earth and that as a period where dinosaur-killing asteroids hit the surface of Earth DAILY. We couldn't stop that shit if we tried. No, seriously - if we made a sincere effort to sterilize Earth it could-not-be-done. We lack that capability completely.

>>41303043
When you start insulting the person you're arguing with, it pretty much shows you've not only lost, but you're also a sore sport about it.

>>41303073
Or you're just an idiot.
No, really. You are incredibly stupid.

>>41303059
>WE can go to space
Humans really can't, though.

Right now, Earth is capable of using a ton of resources to put a handful of humans into space where they use more resources to get support from people on the Earth. That's like saying you've moved out of your mom's home when really you're living in a tent in your mom's backyard.

>>41303059
And actually if we lived on a Mars-sized planet in the habitable zone we'd be all over space already. The only thing preventing us from building a space elevator on Earth is the lack of strong enough materials. Mars has a low enough gravity that we could do it with existing materials.

So if an alien species evolved on a Mars sized planet they'd be spilling into space in massive numbers the second that they got good old fashioned steel and rockets.

>>41303088
I'm sorry I've so deeply hurt your feelings. I meant absolutely nothing personal, friend.

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>>41303116
The main reason for that is the cost to lift resources. We know how to build enclosed food production facilities and the like. We could mine asteroids for raw materials. The thing is that the cost is ASTRONOMICAL. Once we have space elevators though it's prettymuch a given that we'll be able to put a man in space for next to nothing. Building self-sustaining facilities in space will be pretty cheap then.

>>41303163
Which would be great if humanity lived forever or even just had the time to achieve that but really humans have a few more generations at best and so it's not going to happen.

And then aliens show up and they're excited because they found some microbes on Earth.

>>41303207
What precisely is supposed to kill us, again? I want something specific.

>>41285431

>Settings where elves have natural start bonuses to Wisdom and Dexterity.

>Implying there aren't dull or clumsy elves.

>Implying there aren't weak or wimpy dwarves.

>Implying there aren't ignorant stupid gnomes

>Implying

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>>41302954

Why are your theoretical perfect rapis- I mean, dolphins bothering to go to other planets again? Other than, presumably to bring prehensile phallic enrichment to all corners of the galaxy, of course...

>Sorry, but humans just aren't that smart.

Compared to... what, exactly? Your doe eyed pacifists which not only have no earthly analog, but apparently have the magical desire to advance without any of the usual biological imperatives that drive them to do so?

>unlivable for humanity

Improbable. Apocalyptics are all alike. You see the threat of change on the wind, and you assume that because it *might* require adaptation beyond a level that you're comfortable with, that it means the doom of everything. How do predatory tool users get -anywhere- in life? By killing, acquiring resources -- competition!. Even if its just to not be the tribe getting wiped out. For the vast majority of humanity's history, they've lived with nature, red in tooth and claw, up in their collective face. Just because some might die off, doesn't mean you have the power to kill all of yourselves off -- perhaps barring an untimely nuclear holocaust or two.

Wherever there is hardship, and tribes having to compete for survival, there is opportunity, and advancement. I'm sorry, but advancement, whether technological or biological, doesn't come by holding hands and singing Kum ba yah. You look at the fact that not everyone's going to make it into your hypothetical little technological utopia of the future with dread -- as if anyone gets out of life alive -- ignoring that from the objective perspective, the human race will weather every challenge as it always has, stronger for it. The strong survive and the weak perish. That's how its always been. Aren't humans long past overdue for a population bottleneck?

But don't worry -- of all the species you've encountered, humans are the only ones who can and do rail against that fact, so perhaps you'll find a way to turn it around.

>>41290822
>Humans adapt socially, that's why there are so many cultures of humans but other races tend towards a single niche.

That implies the OPPOSITE of what you think it does. If we adapted, our cultures would have blanded together. Our cultures are constantly at war and opposition, which means we are BAD at social adaptation. Your arguement makes me feel like humans should be the LEAST charismatic race.

>New setting with spaghetti humans.

>>41302838
>Like, straight up, we're typing about stupid bullshit on a machine that is guaranteeing our children's children won't have a future.

Really, please tell us more about how computers are killing us off? I seem to recall mankind was a LOT more violent before the personal computer was a thing.

>>41303207
Also we're looking at them in the near future.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176625-60000-miles-up-geostationary-space-elevator-could-be-built-by-2035-says-new-study

Remember: 1995 was 20 years ago. If you told people then we'd be mining asteroids now they'd think you were nuts.

Technology is fast. Even if it happens in 50 or 100 years that's still well before we're supposedly all going to die out.

>>41303227
All the rabbits that have been breeding unchecked since we killed all the wolves.

>>41303294
Oh, so you're Australian then. I'm sorry. At least you have a lot of delicious rabbit to eat.

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>>41303315
>implying we have enough wolves left here in ohio to save us from the coming long-eared hordes

>>41285431

Humans need something to set them apart from the average special snowflake races.

The problem is that, as humans, we see ourselves as the standard for any given trait, as such, other races are measured on a scale of "how better or worse at a thing than humans are."

I would say that giving humans meaningful traits like bonus to diplomacy is actually a step in the right direction.

>>41303265
But aren't our multiple cultures a result of adaptation to different environmental pressures?

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>>41303334
I suppose we're all just going to have to endure the reign of our bunny overlords with humans relegated to their awful breeding duties.

Human species power is always sex and seduction based. ALWAYS.

>>41303364
>pic

Good taste.

>>41303253
Humans are the only species I've ever encountered destroying life as we all know it on Earth. Am I supposed to be impressed by them ineffectually failing to reverse the damage they themselves cause?

An intelligent species wouldn't be destroying the planet and, guess what, plenty of those are on Earth but ain't none of them humans.

Humanity gets the harshest Intelligence and Wisdom penalty in Blue & Green.

>>41303283
Humans also predicted they'd be flying around in hover cars in the year 1990. Didn't happen. So much for intelligence, huh?

>>41303362
Which is completely unrelated to charisma and social adaptation. It is a good, point, though. Humans should have decent environment resistance.

>>41303494
Someone clearly hasn't heard about the early era where oxygen producing bacteria converted the atmosphere of earth and led to a mass extinction killing almost all life on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event


>>41303524
Oh, those exist. They're just stupidly expensive because of fuel costs. Both of the hover and half plane varieties.

They do exist, they're just not practical.

It's also important to note that there's a difference between science fiction writers guessing we'd figure out anti-gravity someday (which we didn't) and real scientists saying the stuff we can already make (carbon nanotubes) will just be made well enough in the future that we can make a space elevator out of it.

>>41303572
>humans are as smart as an oxygen-producing bacteria
Okay then.

>>41303604
We're subject to the exact same restrictions they are. The difference is that we have the potential not to kill everything.

The Bacteria are the way of an Earth without Man. Mankind is the only hope of a world that ends the awful cycle of life annihilating itself. We are the ONLY species in history with that potential in billions upon billions of years.

To me that makes mankind beautiful.

>>41303675
>The difference is that we have the potential not to kill everything.

And you're doing a fantastic job of letting everyone down and failing to reach that potential.

Hey, here's what's actually beautiful: creatures that don't need the potential to not kill everything because they aren't killing everything with their fucking ignorance.

>>41302838
You're a Luddite. You're a Luddite on a fucking computer. You're a massive fucking hypocrite and it's hilarious to think about how retarded you must be.

It's people like you who would die first the moment humanity becomes "enlightened" and stops building shit and returns to the forests.

Humans are more often the "versatile" or "standard" race than the charismatic one. Though, I have to say, I agree with the charismatic one for most fantasy settings I've seen.

>Humans are the youngest race.
>Humans are the most common race.
>Humans have half-breeds with everything.
>The Human language is referred to as "common" and literally everyone speaks it.

Yeah, sounds like the charisma race to me.

The adaptive race is better from a design point of view, though. Because designers need to think of what the players will think.

Humans are the smartest?
>Why are the other species so dumb?
Some other species is the smartest?
>Wow, they sure are smart.

If the humans are best at something, people are just going to think the other species are bad at it. If some other species is the best at it, we will just say they are REALLY GOOD at it, because we would never think our species is bad it, despite the fact that that other species is way better.

And this is coming from someone with a homebrew setting that has only one other advanced species, which is more agile and charismatic, while humans are stronger and more intelligent.

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>>41303494
>Humans are the only species I've ever encountered destroying life as we all know it on Earth

>as we all know it

That's what you call an unfalsifiable hypothesis, isn't it? Every life form that is too successful (overconsumption, etc.) is, by definition, eventually going to "destroy life as it knows it" when suddenly it has to adapt to going downhill. Any tribe that can do better for itself, will. Your dolphin friends surely would rape all life to death if they could too -- but they can't. In typical pacifist foolishness, you mistake failure for wisdom.

Humanity's going to have its share of ups and downs. The reason you're afraid for your species is quite simple -- you're in one of those ups right now. I recommend you savor it. When your population is the highest its ever been, generation after generation, the only possible outcome is that -- eventually -- it will no longer be the case. Its no surprise to anyone that that sort of growth is unsustainable. This isn't a sign of the end of the world, its just going to be mankind trimming off the fat.

But don't worry! Perhaps the next time humanity's population starts heading up again, they'll be more like your dolphin friends, at least in terms of entertainment!

>>41303722
>You're a Luddite.
No, I'm not. I'm taking a completely non-human perspective when looking at humanity.

>>41303751
No you're taking a ludditic perspective on humanity.

It's retarded.

>>41303751
How do you know what a non-human perspective is? That requires you to understand their psychology and thought process.

>>41303783
No, I'm taking a completely alien approach at looking at humanity. You don't seem to be able to understand that and, in anger, hurl verbal abuse at me. At the end of the day, though, this is just one way an alien might view the human race.

>>41303812
I wasn't aware aliens were nihilistic edgelords.

Do they listen to Crawling, or the alien equivalent of?

>>41303751
Quite the opposite really, you are holding humanity to moral standard that only humans ever have espoused.

>>41303710
They wouldn't be life, then. That's the nature of every living thing in existence, down to the smallest bacteria and even pseudo-life like viruses.

Live. Eat. Reproduce. Even the trees we have today simply replaced the great fungal tree-like things that existed before. They outcompeted them and choked them out. They lived for eons, dead trees not getting digested by bacteria. One supervolcanic eruption later and you had a massive worldwide dieoff called "The Great dying".

NOTHING is exempt from that process. That we struggle just shows how monumental the task is.

Bateria is not exempt. The plants are not exempt. Animals are not exempt. We live, survive, thrive, and by thriving we kill ourselves and everything else. That is the nature of life. To live until we kill ourselves.

Humanity overcoming the fate of all living things since the beginning of life itself is almost hilarious. Yet we try. Even if we fail we're still fighting the enemy of all life in the end. Nothing else can.

And if we fail, what is lost? Another mass extinction? Life will continue. That we try is amazing, and unique. We may or may not make it but it is the fact that we even put in the effort that amazes me.

Not you, though. I don't know what you imagine but it isn't life. An immortal machine, maybe. But not life.

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>>41302737
>If aliens were writing a D&D game using Earth creatures, humans would probably get an Intelligence penalty and an even lower Wisdom penalty because they're the only creatures stupid enough to make their environment completely uninhabitable by them for no real good reason. They'd also be a bad guy race, like Orcs.
You're assuming aliens to be angelic and peace-loving just because they're more technologically advanced.

>>41303838
I'm really sorry I've hurt you in this For Fun Only discussion.

>>41303565
Depends if you consider other sentient species as an environmental pressure, no?

>>41303785

We know all about nonhuman perspectives. From what we know on nonhumans, its something like, "find mates, find safety, humble rivals, avoid predators," etcetera.

When humans get cushy they start coming up with self deprecating decadent philosophies about how we all suck.

>>41292113
Like every other fantasy humanoid?

If you want to go the endurance route then think along the lines of humans getting a Con bonuses and be done with it.
Like Christ i've seen people survive some nasty shit and survived some nasty shit.
We can take a hit, although not as much as a homo neanderthalensis, we aren't far behind.

>>41303886
We wouldn't know alien perspective, is what I mean.

We've never met another 'civilized' species.

>>41303864
Not at all.

I'm assuming aliens would be fearful of/hateful of/look down upon a race of beings that is destroying everything around it, including themselves, because all life living wants to live and stay alive.

>>41303922
So instead of basing them off -every nonhuman life form on the planet-, you base them off your own personal philosophy of self deprecation. Great, you got a superiority complex about your inferiority complex.

>ITT neckbeards aren't aware of what constitutes intelligence
>ITT neckbeards claim humans are stupid and evil because they're butthurt perma-virgins

>>41303839
No, I'm holding the idea that all living beings, even an alien one, would like to be alive and stay alive.

From this, an alien species would look at humanity with sheer disdain.

>>41303947
Read that chain again.

Actually read what I was responding to.

>>41303925
>including themselves

But we aren't. Our population is the highest its ever been. The problem is you are viewing the situation emotionally instead of logically. That is why you can't see outside your own perspective.

>>41303966
>No, I'm holding the idea that all living beings, even an alien one, would like to be alive and stay alive.

Now you understand why we're using up a bunch of resources.

>>41303947
For every known living being, life is considered a good thing. Humans are the antithesis to life on this planet. An alien would view them as a bad thing.

Also, doing something that kills off your species and every other species is incredibly foolish. Humanity will go down as the greatest fools in this universe if any alien bothers to keep records.

>>41285660
I guess you never tried to play social manipulator.

>>41303976
Tell me how global warming doesn't exist because it got cold this last winter.

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>>41304020
So humanity's position as apex species is evil, because we're the most successful at life?

Amazing!

>>41303998
Except using up a bunch of resources the way humans do is actually dooming the species. That's why humanity is stupid, because it's acting against its own self-interest.

>>41304038
>most successful at life
>won't have future generations

This is least successful at life.

>>41302838
>such as killing off all their natural predators
I'm sorry, what?
Man has few, if any, natural predators. Our capacity for creating tools to counter dangerous animals has rendered them mostly harmless, and that's before we even started making guns. Guns just make any would-be "predators" laughable.

>>41303873
Next time you have a For Fun conversation, get a trip.

>>41303880
Except that our reaction to other cultures is conflict. Humans are barely accepting internally, let alone externally for other humans. We make advancements for acceptence based on the fact that, even though they are different, they are still human. Throw in a non-human, advanced species? We'll consider them lesser, consider them wrong, and try to kill them for their stuff, or enslave them, because, hey, they are less than human.

>>41304020
>Humans are the antithesis to life on this planet.

In your weirdly dogmatic opinion I guess? Not objectively, though.

Oxygen based life used to be the antithesis of life on Earth.

>Also, doing something that kills off your species and every other species is incredibly foolish.

Categorically impossible, try again.

>Humanity will go down as the greatest fools in this universe if any alien bothers to keep records.

The apocalyptic propaganda has done a number on your brain.

>>41300127
Man is faaaast learning.
So it seems that the humans should be the high Int race.

>>41304086
You're retarded. Get a trip.

>>41304037
Not going to kill all humanity or all life on Earth, try again.

>>41304020
>For every known living being, life is considered a good thing
Can I get the source of a study where lions feel bad for killing their prey?
Or one where fruit bats feel bad for eating fruit?
Nature doesn't have morals built into it, morals are a human invention.

>>41304087
Your reading that wrong. The "their natural predators" refers to other animals the wolves were eating. I can understand the confusion.

>>41300219
You mean those Turks who shout: ''Muh oppression, muh ban on sharia law''?

>>41304172

>>41304057
>Except using up a bunch of resources the way humans do is actually dooming the species.

In your subjective yet irrelevant opinion, I guess? Even the rather self destructive countries are still trying to burn resources to climb to the top of the pile, because otherwise they're not going to have any chance to provide for them and theirs.

> That's why humanity is stupid, because it's acting against its own self-interest.

Humans are definitely acting in their self interest. Giving up to benefit rival and hostile tribes will not get anyone anywhere and makes no sense.

All life follows the same pattern, not sure why you think its "bad."

Not everyone makes it into Heaven.

>>41304146
No animal wants to die and is willing to kill other animals to survive. Plants also avoid death.

Only humans gleefully perform activities that ensure their species has no future.

>Nature doesn't have morals built into it
The moral of "I don't want to die" is built into every living being. Otherwise, that living being is not a living being and doesn't pass its "I want to die" or "I don't really care" genes on.

Human beings don't want to die, either. They're just stupidly suiciding while pretending everything is a-okay.

>>41304101
We hardly know what our response would be. Actually, we do know what our response would be: it depends on how starvy we are at the time and the other race would be the same way.

>>41304205
Separate yourself from humanity.

>>41304251
That would be the smartest thing to do given how humanity is killing itself and anything within reach.

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>>41285660
Grey Goo was the first game i've ever played where humans are the super-advanced, technological isolationists who would rather build their own little utopia with their AI buddies than be an generic underdog with spirit.

None of the typical Space-Elf arrogance either. pragmatic as Hell too.

>>41304205
>They're just stupidly suiciding while pretending everything is a-okay.

Actually, we're trying to outpace our rivals so as to avoid extinction at their hand, which is actually the smartest course of action.

Eventually, one would assume the climate and resource levels will change to the point that our current high standard of living will no longer be viable.

As a result, whichever collective of human restrained itself in the course of protecting mother Earf will be wiped out without having made a difference, some other collectives of humans will die out, others will have to tighten their belt, and we'll keep on trucking.

Leave it to an apocalyptic to equate a population crunch and lowered standard of living with "the end of all life" and similar hyperbolic crap.

>>41304290
>killing everything and ourselves to prevent them from us is smart

Sadly no, it isn't.

>>41301879
you talk the way tumblr does
for the most part I agree with you, but, you need to be less tumblr

>>41304308
>everything
[citation needed]

>ourselves

Viewing rivals as "ourselves" isn't smart.

>>41304329
>I'm my own rival, gotta kill myself before I kill myself

Humanity, ladies and gentlemen.

>The research suggests that from a standpoint of Earth's climate, it would likely take another 1.5 billion years, even accounting for the pace at which human activities are pumping greenhouse gases into the air, for a runaway greenhouse effect to take over, says Colin Goldblatt, an assistant professor at the University of Victoria in British Columbia who studies the evolution of Earth's climate.

Oh shit, if we don't drop our C02 levels, we might only have 1.5 billion years left!

Anyone have a nearer prediction than that? Or just emotional hysteria? Bueller?

>>41304381

That's the nature of intelligent life.

>>41304381
Get a trip.

>>41304226
Our response to another human culture is that we are better, and we are not morally wrong in treating them as inferior. A culture that is literally not human? We don't know what it would be. Maybe we would enslave them, maybe we would hunt them for sport, maybe we would think of them as demon tainted beasts and hunt them to extinction, maybe we would EAT them, anyway, it would not be good.

Humans, as of now, have a hard time accepting other humans race, religion, culture, sexuality, or anything that makes them different, and it used to be way worse, but we are improving on that purely because, hey, we're all human. Take away the human part and the reaction will be bad.

>>41304431
"Intelligent" life, yes, according to humanity, which is stupid as has been thoroughly demonstrated through their penchant for such grand self-destruction that it takes out innocent bystanders, too.

>>41304398
Global warming is a danger because it'll drown places like Florida. Which, although appealing on the surface of it, will result in economic collapse. It also leads to more energetic storms and worse natural disasters. Outside Hollywood disaster flicks no one is saying it'll kill us all.

Well, there HAS been some speculation over what would happen if methane frozen on the ocean floor melted. But that still probably wouldn't kill us.

>>41304487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn1MyLA4GqQ

>>41304513
Bill Hicks wants his jokes back.

>>41304513
I have no head for figures,
My hands cannot explain
Endangered animals and acid rain.

I see dead rivers running dry,
I see the activists who march and cry,
Now they cry - singin'

'Why must we desecrate this land?'
I'll tell you why:
Because we can, that's why.

Save the whales, save the seals,
Save the eagle, save the bison and the beach.
Why not save your breath?

Save the porpoise, save the dolphin,
Save the gerbil, save the raccoon and the rat.
Why not save some stamps?

I am a human, I'm a goddamn human being.
I walk erect!
See the cheetah, oh so supple, lean and quick,
As he chases a gazelle.
But he can't drive a car,
At least not very far.

I am a human, I'm a goddamn human being.
I can pay for sex!

"Hey, there's a great show on the Discovery Channel tonight,
The History of the Badger."
"Hmm, I wonder what badger tastes like?"
"I don't know, probably tastes like ferret."
"Wow, you've had ferret?"
"Yeah."
"What's it taste like?"
"Chicken."

I am a human, I'm a goddamn human being.
I can wipe my ass!

"What gives mankind the right to kill at will?
I'll tell you what -- guns,
Big fuckin' guns with giant fuckin' bullets, pal!"

I am a human, I'm a goddamn human being.
I can shave my balls!

>>41303710
>creatures that don't need the potential to not kill everything because they aren't killing everything with their fucking ignorance.
There's a word for such a creature you're describing. That word is "prey".

>>41304559
Killing yourself is the height of stupidity, and it's what humans do every single day. Congratulations, dummies. You're the apex suiciders.

>>41304441
Human collective behavior strikes me as largely deterministic in these scenarios: are people starving? Are their livelihoods in danger? Are the outsiders competing for mates? All good reasons to get your club and start smashing skulls.

"Acceptance" isn't really the issue. Its also a mistake to view small difference as less serious than large ones. Rival versions of a given religion tend to despise each other much more than they despise outsiders. The fundamental issue is competition.

I'm reminded of the Knights of Genetic Purity in Gamma World. Blacks? No problem. Whites? No problem. Gays? No problem. Straights? No problem. Christians? No problem. Atheists? No problem. Hell, giant shambling plant beasts? No problem. Talking animals? No problem. Mutant animals? No problem. Bipedal mutant talking animals? No problem.

Mutant humanoids? BIG PROBLEM.

You assume people hate "differences" when its really the similarities that are the most repulsive. Becoming obsoleted by a newer model is scary. People don't hate total differences.

Of course, if people are starving then people are going to freak out and go berserk, probably any life form would do that.

>>4130449

Yes, exactly. For us, the loss of life and value will be tragic indeed. But comparing such to the possible destruction of humanity 1.5 billion years from now makes being eaten by cannibals or whatever sound positively *funny*.

>>41304611
No, killing rivals is intelligent, and what intelligence is for.

>>41304705
>viewing your very self, and the genetics you pass on, ensuring your immortality, as a "rival" that must be killed

Apex stupidity.

>>41285660
My setting has humans being the toughest, able to live in cold enviroments like mountain ranges, and able to craft bigger and better things in a world technologically stagnating. Humans = Dwarves for all intensive purposes.

>>41304756
>my very self

Nope, killing threats to my very self, idiot.

>and the genetics you pass on

Again, no, killing threats to the genetics I pass on. That is also how you ensure your 'immortality.'

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>>41299922
It can be for rangers and druids. You can't sneak up on a elf ranger, you can't match a dwarven ranger's firepower, and you can't outrun a human ranger tracking you.

It would also make sense for human soldiers to go on longer patrols than other races. Patroling Afghanistan during the summer is a very sweaty affair.