Me and a friend were having a discussing of the Blood Ravens. Does anyone have a list of everything the Blood Ravens have from other factions that is not explicitly stated to be a gift?This includes other Chapter relics acquired under dubious circumstances or not told how they acquired them at all, as well as Chaos wargear.
>>41256120Those fuckers are such kleptomaniacs that the amount of worthwhile stuff is outnumbered by the randumb shit they re-appropriate (read: steal) Probable artefacts include:>Tourist pamphlets from Commoragh>Fulgrim's Codpiece>Right-sided Ultrasmurf Pauldrons (for sledding obviously)>13 crates of Brother Captain Crunchies from the Dark Age of Technology>Leftover green glowsticks from a Necron rave
>>41256120They probably have the Squats and Kaldor Draigo
>>41256659I thought the Squats were being hidden by a certain tactical genius.
>>41256669Well I heard they were part of Trayzens collection
Even the ones stated to be a gift are questionable when it's the Blood Ravens saying so.On a semi-related note, one campaign idea I've had that I'll probably never run is to have the players being serfs of the Blood Ravens. Specifically, they are responsible for acquiring stuff for the chapter.Sometimes they will do this through negotiations. Sometimes through theft. And sometimes they will be sent onto a space hulk to grab stuff while the Blood Ravens are purging hostiles.
>>41256659didn't Kaldor get rescued by wood elves during the end times......Emperors Mercy... the Stormcast are an army of Kaldors...
>>41256903>>41256903would that be Only War or Rouge Trader?
OP here. I was not talking about items "acquired" in fanworks. I mean in their official canon armory. I know a few of the items like the Holy Armour of Purgation (Grey Knight Power Armor), some Golden Armour of the Custodes (Custodes Power Armor), the Banner of Ithaka (Iron Snakes banner, re-purposed by the Blood Ravens), and some Chaos wargear. Im just trying to find a complete list.
>>41257009>didn't Kaldor get rescued by wood elves during the end times...Other way round>>41259248>>41256819Several of them are listed there with ingame screenshots
>>41257053Might be Dark Heresy.
>>41256819>http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens#Bloody_Magpies>Custodes>Power>ArmorHOW THE FUCK>ForgebreakerI don't even
>>41260206Lol they literally admit to just fucking taking a Grey Knights Aegis suit. You know that highly modified power armour they need to fight daemons and shit.
>>41260399Well he was dead. Not like he was using it <.< >.>
>>41260438>Well he was dead. Not like he was using itI think it's time for another 'inspection'.
>>41260584That's a mighty fine coat you have there...I think it would make a lovely gift.
What would be the traitor version of the Blood Ravens?
>>41260206The best bit about the custodes armour is that it's stated to be AMONG their most treasured relics.Armour from a personal guard of The Emperor, some of the finest craftsmanship in the galaxy that is untold millennia old, and has an incalculable history to it in during the great crusade/HH doesn't rank as their top relic.Can you even imagine what classes as their real top relic?They probably swapped out Guilliman in the stasis pod and have Magnus hidden away somewhere
>>41260638Small potatoes.They actually have the Emperor as their top relic. The one on the Golden Throne is actually a well constructed prop.
>>41260638>have Magnus hidden away somewhereI just imagine Magnus watching them from his daemon world and being filled with fatherly pride as he watches them steal.
>>41260624Thousand Sons. Blood Ravens are canonically, HEAVILY implied to be the successors of the Thousand Sons.
Would every Blood Raven collectively orgasm if they found Trollzyn's museum of stuff?
>>41260638> Magnus hidden away somewhereFunny you should say this. If you play DOW2 on Primarch Difficulty, the Battle Dialogue changes for your marines, and every now and then the Force Commander will shout the following."FIGHT ON BROTHERS, THE PRIMARCH WATCHES OVER US STILL!"Now this line makes perfect sense.
>>41260675Now, when you say 'canonically' is this a widely acknowledged thing or something off-hand, and possibly out-of-context, thing made-up by a hack author?Also, I'd hardly call the Thousand Sons an analogue for the Ravens, except for all the psykers.
>>41260722They have high rates of mutation and psychic ability.Which of the original legions had a similar MO?
>>41260624blue marines with no psykers that give away presents. sometimes the presents are actually good things like apples, sometimes they're bombs.
>>41260704What if Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole Trazyn stole the Blood Ravens stole.......
>>41260722Widely acknowledged in canon. The actual fluff constantly points this out, and every game that has them shows some references to it. The biggest references themselves come from the books and the games.Dark Crusade, Chaos Space Marines assault on the Marines Stronghold. Eliphas points out that the artifacts the blood ravens were protecting are very heretical and damning.(Can't remember the name of this book): Magnus the Red sends away the Cult of Ravens Corvidae to a far corner of the Milky Way with sealed orders. The Ravens Corvidae Cult never turned traitor, nor were they subjected to the Rubric of Ahriman.
>>41260733>>41260722>"-except for all the psykers."
>>41260757Somehow that makes some sense. After all, wasn't Magnus a reluctant traitor? Possibly the most tragic of all the Primarchs.
>>41260791Yeesh that Magnus looks too boyish for me. >wasn't Magnus a reluctant traitor?Yeah. That's sort of the thing with Tzeentch. He backs you into a corner and forces you to turn to him. That's a thing he shares with Nurgle.
>>41260757>MFW Tzeentch is often referred to as 'The Raven-God'."Bothers,-....-are we the baddies?"
>>41260791Yea, he pretty much was. Also, more to support the idea.The Ravens Corvidae Cult specialized in seeing the future, as their sorcery cult had many known powers that allowed them to predict enemy movements and tragedies. Later when the blood ravens were lead by Azariah Vidya, Azariah utilized the very same powers discovered by the Ravens Corvidae in order to lead his chapter to victory against traitors. He had the uncanny ability to predict everything the traitors were doing in advance.
>>41260806No. We can't be. We steal for good.
>>41260821stealing by the definition of the word is wrong or bad
>>41260791>After all, wasn't Magnus a reluctant traitor?Only in the current shit tier fluff from BL where they try to make the primarchs look sympathetic. orginally that faggot knew exactly what he was doing when he carried on with his sorcery.
>>41260869But stealing is just how we say "receiving gifts".
But what about Samus?
>>41260804>Yeesh that Magnus looks too boyish for me.No argument, but the style and detail is what I really like about the piece. Personally, I always liked to imagine him with copper-toned skin, but still with wild red hair, instead of literally red skin. Also, his one eye being on the ajna (third-eye) with his 'normal' eyes being sealed.
>>41260919>Personally, I always liked to imagine him with copper-toned skin, but still with wild red hair, instead of literally red skinI think that he was described as copper toned in one book.
>>41260722Fuck off, ADB, you got BTfO about a day after you smugly went to the forums to say how the 1ksons connection was never going to happen.Bow out with a bit of fucking dignity.
How do the Thousand Sons themselves feel about the BRs? Do they know about BRs using their geneseed?
>>41261089Its all just as planned.Wouldn't be surprised if a few of the BRs pass certain acquired relics to the Sons.
>>41261110>Its all just as planned.>Wouldn't be surprised if a few of the BRs pass certain acquired relics to the Sons.Goto had Ahzek encounter the Ravens if I am not mistaken.
>>41261089I imagine the BR probably have worse daddy issues than their father, and they try to steal shit for him so they can get his attention. At least Magnus has great fathers day gifts unlike a certain corpse.
>>41261199>I imagine the BR probably have worse daddy issues than their father, and they try to steal shit for him so they can get his attention. At least Magnus has great fathers day gifts unlike a certain corpse.But he got a bike recently.
>>41261089Their sorcerors probably sneak in as a kind of HolidayThey'd pass genetic screening, and we know Ahriman at least is surprisingly corruption free.If they're in Imperial capacity, they can get even with some of their enemies and piss off the Space Yiffs without actually coming to blows.
>>41261270This could explain some of their Chaotic gifts.
>>41261089What I think is a more-prudent question is: How do the Blood Ravens get away with using a gene-seed of a traitor or unknown Primarch? Maybe they're mislabeled? Maybe gene-seed are so precious that no one really looks a gift-organ in the mouth?
>>41261484I seriously doubt that there's anyone alive who knows the difference between a mutated gene seed and traitor legion gene seed.I imagine that Azariah Vidya did something to hide it or smooth it over, probably something involving the historical black hole in the BR records.
>>41261484>How do the Blood Ravens get away with using a gene-seed of a traitor or unknown Primarch? Maybe they're mislabeled? Maybe gene-seed are so precious that no one really looks a gift-organ in the mouth?Many chapters don't know who their father is. The Deathwatch has tried screening Carcharodons but they didn't find them to be RG. They have to do testing certainly but comparing modern day RG geneseed to Crusade era geneseed will get tons of differences. Many chapters just assume they're smurfs but sometimes they get an inkling on who is their papa.
>>41261544>The Deathwatch has tried screening Carcharodons but they didn't find them to be RGThey are. It's been confirmed, saddly. The reason they didn't come up as RG is because the 7th (or 8th Company) can't remember which didn't get the degraded geneseed that resulted from Corax's attempt to rebuild his legion's numbers.But the Carcharodons are actually RG. The Red Wake is the dude who led the Legion before Corax was found.>>41261484Record keeping sucks in the Imperium. Or the incriminating evidence has been suppressed by one of the powers that be.
>>41261484They're literally using the gene seed of the Thousand Sons. And if you look at the fluff you'll notice that the inquisition itself is protecting them by censoring all of their history.
>>41261665>They are. It's been confirmed, saddly.I was aware of that.>But the Carcharodons are actually RG. The Red Wake is the dude who led the Legion before Corax was found.You sure that Tyberos is that same man?
>>41261701Why is that terminator so big compared to the space marines?
>>41261727No clue. How big are termies anyway?
>>41261701I seem to remember reading that somewhere. In any case, I hope its true.It might be a case of: Every chapter master takes the name. How else would someone have Lighting Claw Chain Fists?>>41261727Crusade era terminator armor might be bigger than current Terminator Armor?
>>41261750Not that much bigger than a space marine normally is. About 8 feet I think.
>>41261758>I seem to remember reading that somewhere. In any case, I hope its true.>It might be a case of: Every chapter master takes the name. How else would someone have Lighting Claw Chain Fists?Some chapter master might be psychotic enough to want a pair?>>41261760I thought eight feet was the height of marines anyway.
>>41261778>I thought eight feet was the height of marines anyway.It's usually 7' ish...
>>41261778You think the Admech could make a pair of weapons like Hunger and Slake again? Doubtful.
>>41261795What's the drawing next to the marine?>>41261796Yeah, I'm going to doubt the AdMech's ability again.
>>41261727take note of the mask he's wearing, that should answer the question.
>>41261815>What's the drawing next to the marine?Ideal measurements of his waifu
>>41261841Huh. I knew I was going to regret asking.
>>41261815>What's the drawing next to the marine?...My horrid attempt at outlining a Female Space Marine......I fucked up everything past the hips...
>>41261878Why is it 150% the height of a normal Space Marine.
>>41261878What >>41261895 said.
>>41260657>Emps stuffed in a trunk, hidden in a dusty corner of their attic, silently emitting a psychic "REEEEEEEEEEEEEE">that's the actual Astronomican
>>41261841>Ideal measurements of his waifuWell the measurements are correct, a 3-2-3 ratio for the Breast-Waist-Hips using a regular Spess Muhreen's waist-line......I just fucked up the lines for the legs.>>41261895So they can have a large enough thoracic cavity to support all the extra Spess Muhreen Organs while still having proportional limbs...
>>41261957>proportional>40kCome on ND. Come on. You don't even believe that.
>>41261984Well that's still IDEAL "Heroic" proportion......Would you rather they had stumpy, thick ham limbs instead?
>>41260760>Also, I'd hardly call the Thousand Sons an analogue for the Ravens, except for all the psykers.>Except for that things that pretty much makes them identical
>>41261795Being under 7' outside of their armor isn't very 'superhuman'.
>>41261758>>41261830Why hasn't FW made models for Heresy-era Indomitus-pattern armor?
>>41262018Actually... Look, I have no problems with you drawing female Space Marines but at least keep them in line with the normal ones.Ya know; 7' to 8' tall, small head syndrome, the classics.
>>41262036there's no point in arguing past a single "you're a fucking retard" with this guy.have you ever been in a 40k thread, seen a theory/assertion so mindnumbingly retarded that you could scarcely believe the person who wrote it was mentally capable of typing, and then done a double take because you also realise you've also seen it posted before?Well, they're all this guy.I can't remember all the stupid shit he posts, but it's not limited to insisting that the Blood Ravens are actually Lunar Wolf descendants, and that Ghazghkul is the biggest Ork who ever livedFor You.
>>41262086>Why hasn't GW done something cool?
>>41260883>>After all, wasn't Magnus a reluctant traitor?>Only in the current shit tier fluff from BL where they try to make the primarchs look sympathetic. orginally that faggot knew exactly what he was doing when he carried on with his sorcery.Trying to master the warp while remain(d)ing loyal to the Emperor?
>>41262036Similar? Yes. Identical? Hardly.A single shared facet doesn't make them the same. Black Templars aren't Space Wolves, just because they both have a great deal of melee specialists. The Thousand Sons are hardly what would be considered Codex-adherent, like the Blood Ravens.
>>41261039>Fuck off, ADB, you got BTfO about a day after you smugly went to the forums to say how the 1ksons connection was never going to happen.>Bow out with a bit of fucking dignity....Backstory?
>>41261665>The Red Wake is the dude who led the Legion before Corax was foundsauce ?
>>41262223>The Thousand Sons are hardly what would be considered Codex-adherent, like the Blood Ravens.You're comparing a Chapter to a Chaos Legion? You're manufacturing grounds of difference to be right.Its an unfair point of comparison as well. The points of comparison across Heresy Lines are the genetic ones, not the institutional ones. The Blood Ravens and the Thousand Sons both have heightened rates of mutations and psychic ability.
>>41262249TL:DR - he doesn't like the connection and tried his damnedest to get it retconned.Then shortly after he started saying it was never going to happen, a new book came out which practically confirmed it.
>>41261665>They are. It's been confirmed, saddly. The reason they didn't come up as RG is because the 7th (or 8th Company) can't remember which didn't get the degraded geneseed that resulted from Corax's attempt to rebuild his legion's numbers.>But the Carcharodons are actually RG. The Red Wake is the dude who led the Legion before Corax was found.That's too bad. I always prefer organizations in 40k having some mystery to them, or a dark secret. Considering their bloody and merciless MO, you'd almost think they were Konrad's kids.
>>41262289Well that's a dick move, I like his fluff but he does have a tendency to shit on other peoples stuff IE Zso Sahaal which he does seem to be butthurt over to the point he has to make a super special character to overshadow him.
>>41262223Fluffwise, both the Thousand Sons and Blood Ravens use Divination based battle doctrine.Where possible, they psychically scout out the area, then use their foreknowledge to royally fuck up the target with minimal prolonged fighting (though naturally, this isn't reflected in the games, since that would make it easy mode).This is one of the main reasons that the Black Templars and Space Wolves don't like them.As to why they don't use massed psychic attacks like the Sons do/did, that should be pretty obvious; nobody wants the collateral damage that shit causes.the fact that they use Codex approved organisation is irrelevant, since it doesn't interfere with their preferred method of attack.
>>41262337>Considering their bloody and merciless MO, you'd almost think they were Konrad's kids.Nah, the nightlords are pussies on the whole, they'd go the whole ''play with them'' route, space sharks straight up do not give a fuck.Just look at ADB's on fluff, he wanks over them but still shows that in a straight up fight they often get their shit pushed in, especially by other space marines.
>>41262337Exactly my point. But, since the Carcharodons were split from the Raven Guard at the Company Level and it so happens that company used terror tactics.And Corax didn't like that so he made them a separate thing post Fag-dex.
>>41260704>>41260704dont they already work for him?
They went tot GW HQ and "acquired" Slaanesh as a gift from the CEO himself during the AoS creation process.
>>41262359Don't forget that when shirt hits the fan that the Sons would burn, smash,electrocute, and do other magic shit that made them one of the most deadly legions out there
>>41262494They're clearly in a partnership or friendly competition.gabe and trazyn probably meet up every decade to compare and admire loot, then playfully attempt to steal it off each other.
Reminder that the Blood Ravens literally stole Abaddon's Dread Maul of Skarbrand and Fulgrim's Forgebreaker, as well as a suit of Custodes armor that participated in the assault on Horus' battle barge alongside the Emperor.They also recover and modified Grey Knight Aegis armor, and the weaponry of multiple inquisitors
>>41262494>mfw the Blood Ravens are collecting artifacts for Trazyn by proxy, to be retrieved upon a later date.
>>41262494They don't, and chances are they don't even know about the existence of each other. Because if they ever did encounter each other, it would start a war to steal shit the likes of which the galaxy has never seen before.Just imagine blood ravens exploding into more blood ravens with sheer excitement at even the slightest mention of Trazzyn's Museum. Just imagine what it would be like being EVERY SECTOR between Aurelia and Trazzyn's museum. They would all be an infinite battleground as both factions constantly vie to out-steal the entire milky way and shove it in their vaults.
>>41262547>stole Abaddon's Dread Maul of SkarbrandWait, Abby owned that? >>41262547>Fulgrim's ForgebreakerI think you meant Perturabo's Forgebreaker.
>>41262552>Fellow Custodes, the time has come again!>We have heard reports of interlopers slowly making headway towards the Emperor, now we must undertake our sacred charge.>We will ensure no scum even gets within artillery range of him! we will...>will...>Ok, where the fuck has he gone, and why is there gift wrapping scattered around the floor?
>>41262572Fulgrim was the original creator of Forgebreaker. It was first made when Fulgrim met Ferrus Manus, and the two challenged each other to a blacksmithing competition.Fulgrim made a beautiful, primarch sized hammer for his brother Ferrus. While Ferrus made a nimble and elegant dueling blade. Eventually Forgebreaker was given to Perturabo, though I can't quite remember how that happened..
>>41262572Oh my bad, yeah Forgebreaker was Perturabos, Fulgrim's just the guy who made it.
>>41262572It was forged by Fulgrim, given to Horus who in turn gave it to Perturabo.
>>41262610>>41262605>>41262604>>41262572the Blood Ravens sure are good at getting "gifts", aren't they?
>>41262604>Eventually Forgebreaker was given to Perturabo, though I can't quite remember how that h>>41262605>Oh my bad, yeah Forgebreaker was Perturabos, Fulgrim's just the guy who made it.>>41262610>It was forged by Fulgrim, given to Horus who in turn gave it to Perturabo.Pert was the current, well, former owner of it until the Blood Ravens got their hands on it.
>>41262552>out-steal the entire milky way and shove it in their vaults.Eventually one side decides to steal the Milky Way to put an end to this.The other steals the Eye of Terror in response.
>>41262604>>41262605>>41262610>>41262638given all the changing of hands, chances are the Ravens just swapped in a proxy
>>41262657But the proxy would have to be as good as the original so no one would go looking for the original.
>>41262635Nothing is sacred to them. Not even the abilties of other races. This might hint that Thule was a little butthurt about the Crons during the Dark Crusade and took a "gift" from them.>>41262657What >>41262672 said.
>>41262652Fucking hell, just imagine that.> Abbadon the Despoiler is gearing up to launch his 20th Black Crusade. He's really desperate to get shit done, so he's gone out of his way to get TEN SQUADS OF KHORNE BERSERKERS together to fight for him! > He's hopeful that he'll kill a cadian this time, because surely 100 khorne berserkers would make for a lovely 20th crusade.> Abbadon gets his boys together and leaves the Eye of Terror, only to find that his armor has been painted red and has a raven symbol on the shoulderpad.> A Blood Ravens librarian is present to personally welcome his newest brother to the chapter, and informs Abbadon of their plans to steal the Milky Way back from Trazzyn
They stole Marneus Calgar's personal bolterWHERE DOES IT END
>>41262672>Nope. I pulled the old switcheroo, so they won't even know the difference. Wait a minute, I think the copy I made cost more than this.
>>41262774>legends speak that>mfw those "legends" were actually accusations of theft that eventually got suppressed and reworked by a BR spin doctor
>>41262289For those who might care, a link to the original thread, not that it's hard to find:http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?296550-Latest-Blood-Ravens-historyhttp://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?296550-Latest-Blood-Ravens-history&p=5379557&viewfull=1#post5379557>It's all good. I find it almost inhumanly unlikely given the information on offer, and from what we know of the Imperium, (and it grates on my very bones as one of those "But he's a good Bad Guy" tropes, like Drizzt or Blade, so it's not a fave idea of mine) but it's not like the canon police will be kicking anyone's doors down. Besides, unlikelier things have happened. It's 40K, after all.>There's room for everyone, etc.http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?296550-Latest-Blood-Ravens-history&p=5382938&viewfull=1#post5382938>EDIT: I should add, my guess is that if they are Thousand Son geneseed, it's a 13th Founding kinda deal. I also find that much more cool and palatable (as long as it's not public, as it would breathe a wave of silly "WE'RE FROM WORLD EATER GENESEED" armies and trash the coolness of the Dark Founding) than loyalist Thousand Son descendants, or a special deal made for the Chapter by X mysterious faction. http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?296550-Latest-Blood-Ravens-history&p=5383005&viewfull=1#post5383005>But anything's possible. It's not the idea of the Dark Founding producing the Blood Ravens that bugs me. I think that's killer. And the fan speculation? Double rad. I'm not an enemy of the entire concept itself.>It's the careless, heavy-handed "LOL THOUSAND SONS GENESEED" atmosphere coming from dubious half-official sources that I find unintentionally silly and hilarious. (From the sources themselves, not the people referencing them.)>I'm a fan of keeping a little more mystery. Preserving the freaking Dark Founding. Not blowing one of the greatest 40K mysteries open with a video game series that gets so much else "wrong".
>>41262799http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?296550-Latest-Blood-Ravens-history&p=5403349&viewfull=1#post5403349>That's actually a good point. Because, joking aside, even GW's official answer doesn't mean anything (since it's likely never to be said out loud), nor do the viewpoints of those who can directly ask and get an answer (for the same reason).>And I'm not being facetious or leading up to a double bluff. Israfael has a point. DoW is pushing X. Even if Y or Z is true, and X is regarded as a bit of a joke, unless official confirmation for Y or Z comes forward, then X is what's out there and its evidence is what matters to the topic at hand. I'm 100% certain that in the DoW series' imaginings, the Blood Ravens really are the descendants of the Thousand Sons. Are they that according to official lore and the company at large? Well, as someone who's asked around here, there and everywhere behind the scenes... Let's just say that in all seriousness, in this situation, it doesn't actually matter.>It's all loose canon, anyway. Someone who chooses the DoW games as a source isn't suddenly plague-ridden, or a worse human being than someone who prefers old WD articles, novels, comic books or current codices. They get jazzed by a different source, that's all. Without confirmation either way, I reckon it should be fun speculation, rather than falsely objective accusations. Then we can all get on.
>>41262049>Being under 7' outside of their armor isn't very 'superhuman'.Well considering they're DOUBLE WIDE, it's acceptable.>>41262092>Look, I have no problems with you drawing female Space Marines but at least keep them in line with the normal ones.>Ya know; 7' to 8' tall, small head syndrome, the classics.Where is the fun in that?
>>41262799>>41262832I wonder if he can see the Pyramids from where he's wading.
>>41262854The fun is that there would be Space Marines that have tits. Both of them!40k is such a loosely defined setting that there isn't a good reason to break the rules. Almost anything is allowed. Even female Space Marines. But, those can't be two feet taller than Primarchs.
>>41262912>Even female Space MarinesI hate to be that guy, but if you want normal sized women in boob plate armor with bolters with still-feminine appearance that's LITERALLY EXACTLY what the Sororitas are for.
>>41262948Female Space Marines need to be like 7' tall, double wide, shit like that. Otherwise, you're right. They're Sororitas. If you're going to call someone a Space Marine, they better be able to punch through a brick wall bare handed.
>>41262948>I hate to be that guy, but if you want normal sized women in boob plate armor with bolters with still-feminine appearance that's LITERALLY EXACTLY what the Sororitas are for.Indeed...>>41262990>If you're going to call someone a Space Marine, they better be able to punch through a brick wall bare handed.Who says my 12 foot Femarines can't?They just wouldn't be as durable doing it is all.
>>41263126Again, bruh, you can't have Space Marines running around that are taller than fucking Primarchs. Twelve feet tall Marines are like Dreadnaught sized or some shit. No way.Make 'em 7' like normal marines.
>>41260638They probably stole Vulkan from Trazyn.Or hell, maybe they've got Malal locked up somewhere.Or the whole galaxy is their greatest relic
>>41263765They crossed over into Fantasy and stole Slaanesh
>>41263861Now that's just silly.That's kidnapping, not theft.
>>41256120>acquired under dubious circumstancesthe fuck are you on.
>>41262769Might as well start an extended list of shit that they've got....>Fulgrim's busted painting (art sales can be fun)>Twenty suits of Terminator Armor from the Deathwatch with the pauldrons switched out (they make it too easy...)>Cegoratch's personal joke book...er, diary>Several Sororitas' Flamers>Several suits of Sororitas Power Armor (drag queens still exist sadly)>Several Sororitas>Roboute Gilliman's secret stuffed animal (everyone has their vices)>and his 45 previous drafts of the Codex Astartes before he got it 'right'>a package of gag Tau Clown noses>5 Tau Crisis suits (BR were under the impression they were 'Christmas' suits due to Tau dialect of Gothic)>A Norn Queen (why the fuck not said the Captain...)>Prototype ROOMBA brand Rippers (eats the dirt in your house, then eats your house, and then you)>Gork's personal Kroozer>unreleased pilot for a show called Mork & Magnus>Slaanesh's right breast (quite shriveled now)
>>41262049But it is what's canon, based on the prop marines they've made.They're 7'-7'6" or so in armor. They're not impossibly tall, just at the upper edge of human height, and thick as hell.
>>41264226Adding more.>Bjorn, we know that but hey, fuck the Space Dogs>Magnus's left eye, got it back from the warp>An Eldar Craftworld with Eldrad Plushie, painted red and put an Aquila on it, looks legit.>100 Mars Techpriest, they were brought along with the last techmarine from mars. >The Sisters of battle 7th ed Codex, gifted by Ward itself.
>>41260206The best part about this is that neither the Grey Knights OR the Blood Ravens were on Lorn V.
>>41265383The blood ravens were on Lorn V, but only if you listen to C.S. Goto. And who does?
>>41265789>And who does?Relic, evidently - even if you don't count the Lorn V thing, there's at least one solid reference to the Gotoverse in DoW2:>Sword of Purity>During the Tartarus Campaign, Blood Ravens Sgt. Tanthius witnessed Imperial Guardsman Ckrius display uncommon valor in the face of heresy and death. Tanthius commissioned the creation of this power sword in honor of those who fight with pure hearts to defend their home worlds.
>>41266061I'd imagine they were just pouring through the books looking for details, were noting down things they could reference, started vomiting violently at the quality, gave up and said "fuck it, just add in this one and call it a day"
>Blood Ravens chapter tactics>any model that can take relics of the armory can also take relics from the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Astra Militarum codexes.
>>41268868Its actually infiltrate and acute senses.
>>41268868No, they just steal the tactics of any other Vanilla Marines. The 7e codex specifically said so.
>>41267791They also mentioned Rahe's Paradise in Dark Crusade.