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“What the hell are they even attacking?” you growl, staring at the CIC screen as Mustin and Fitzgerald's powerful AN/SPY-1s begin focusing on the area over Chichi-Jima. A few yellow bogey markers appear on the screen and promptly vanish and re-appear again; a combination of low-flying planes over craggy island hilltops and the abyssal's own refusal to play nice with radar.

“The civilians,” Goto says hoarsely. “They're abyssals. They kill people just to *kill,* Settle.” He stares at you, his dark eyes like pools of ink in the shadowed CIC. “Settle, you've got to engage those fuckers.”

“With what!?” you retort. “Am I engaging fighters, or surface ships? What do I launch? Hornet doesn't even have her SBDs spotted yet -”

“Send your goddamned fighters!” Goto says, his lithe body coiled tense as he resists leaping to his feet. “You've got them on deck-”

“If those are just floatplane scouts and they've got a surface fleet-”

“Then we'll know in 18 minutes rather than 30!” Goto snaps, thrusting his finger at the CIC's map – your first-phase planes are already 60 miles past Chichi-Jima, and your second-phase is still 60 miles (and thirty minutes at the 120 knot cruise speed of TBFs) distant. “Hornet can spot her SBDs while they're en-route in case they find ships.”

“Goto, if they've got subs out here, they'll see the planes and reverse their bearings to find us-”

“People are DYING, Settle!” Goto snaps. “Kaga and Akagi's decks are loaded, I can't launch fighters – I just CAN'T!”

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You look at one of the PIP images; the one from Willie's go-pro. She's looking at Kaga and Akagi. Their quivers are full; the white-fletched arrows of their Zeroes; the green of torpedo bombers and dive-bombers jostling behind. Once the fighters are launched off the front they'll have to spot replacements; which will take precious minutes – and recovering them after will require breaking the spot. As long as their decks are loaded to the gills for immediate launch against the abyssal carriers, you really can't use them for anything else.

But if you weaken your fleet's air-defense, the consequences could be devastating. Kaga and Akagi's CAP is nowhere near Hornet's equal, and you have *no* idea what the Abyssal's strength is – one deck? Two? Ten? And if the subs you suspect are lurking out there see the planes arrowing in from due north -

- but as Goto said, people are dying.

>It can't be helped. Launch some fighters towards Chichi-Jima now.
>Refuse. Mass is key, and you'll be damned if you'll fritter away mass for secondary objectives. There's actual human beings and precious fleet assets counting on that air cover, too.
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
>write-in?

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Doughnut time, teitoku~

Straight from orbit above Bruxelles, we arrive!

>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Sacrifices must be made, unfortunately.

>>41162290

Later we will look back on this cute image and be amazed the night started with such innocence.

Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>41162267
>>write-in?
Kill the president.

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>>41162290

>>41162320
Omg yes

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>>41162312

In KCQ, President kill YOU.

>>41162290
stop

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>>41162320
WITNEEEEESSSSS

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

>>41162308

Fuck you. shit's cute. don't fucking ruin it.

who the fuck am I kidding. You're going to fucking ruin it.

And what the fuck did you say about Iwo? You better be fucking joking.

>>41162267
>>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
War is hell.

>>41162267
>>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
Fuck...

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O'Bannon literally when

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>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Time for some more Shipsloots!

>>41162364
>no red hair
> no freckles
>not Irish
0/10

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>>41162353
>And what the fuck did you say about Iwo? You better be fucking joking.

ONCE UPON A TIME A BUNCH OF MARINES CRAWLED AROUND ON A BEACH AND CALLED DOWN 16 INCH SHELLFIRE ON ANYTHING THAT FUCKING MOVED

MARINES: BEST FORWARD OBSERVERS THE NAVY EVER HAD

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

>>41162308
To be fair, your posts do not start the thread with innocence in mind.

I may not participate in the entirety of the two threads tonight. I have a flight to catch in the morrow for Montreal.

If I vanish, let it be known I probably went down sighing, disappointed in the quality of Air Canada maintenance.

>>41162386

t h i s

>>41162267
"Goto, why would the Abyssals attack a sparsely populated island that has already been stripped of defenses and manpower, almost all of its population except those who were too stubborn to leave, and is smack dab in the middle of Abyssal country? Goto, its bait. They WANT us to divert and investigate to weaken and stretch our resources thin. Look at the current Pacific theater. We're already stretched too thin as it is."

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
You see, there was this old battle called Midway where shit happened because an admiral decided to neutralize a minor enemy airfield when he had not ruled out the presence of enemy carriers.

That tiny little airstrip is of little strategic importance, and at least the people are in shelters. Our fleet is of strategic importance; if we fuck up, Tokyo gets bombarded, not a tiny little island with maybe a few hundred people on it.

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>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
Goto is getting understandably emotional. We need to get him to chill out and think.

>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Fact of the matter is, we really, really, really can't afford those subs finding us. Subs are what killed too damn many of our ships back in WWII.

>>41162388

Can't rely on navy boys to provide good intel.

Need a Marine to do that.

>>41162404
At least it's not Malaysia Air Lines!

>>41162388

and how the fuck would YOU have dealt with it oh mister superlative fucking tactical fucking genius? No, fucking really, inquiring minds want to fucking know.

>>41162267
>Refuse. Mass is key, and you'll be damned if you'll fritter away mass for secondary objectives. There's actual human beings and precious fleet assets counting on that air cover, too.

Hey, let's throw shit at a situation we know nothing about that could have potentially disastrous effect on our current operation!

Yeah, let's not.

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

God I hope this doesn't bite us in the ass like MacArthur and his Philippines crusade back in the day...

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Cute

>>41162267
>>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Second hand reports of gunfire and planes do not a reliable source of intel make.

>>41162364
I have no idea who O'Bannon is,but that is so adorable I don't care.
O'Bannon when?

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

I smell a trap. We don't know the motives of the abyssals, but they seem to have a modicum of tactical understanding. If they know we're hunting them, this is an excellent chance to force us to drop our air defence.

Chichi-Jima has a population of 2000 according to Wikipedia, and possibly less in this timeline with the defenses having been stripped. That makes the civvies on the island a really minor consideration compared to the casualties the fleet can inflict if it gets away... IOW, refuse the order.

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>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
You need to calm down and think, dang it!

>>41162417
Getting torpedoed by those submarines is not much danger; we're going pretty fast, and it'd be hard for one to line up a shot.

Having our position radioed in by submarines to the enemy carrier task force, however, could be disastrous.

>>41162419
True. Air Canada does have a reliable record of getting people out alive, even when they crash.

I'm glad that people see this as it is, a trap by the Abyssals.

>>41162411
But she was throwing spuds grown in Maine you nerds.

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>>41162440
Such a pale girl, she needs some color.

Hope you're doing ok planefag.

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>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

>>41162444
>doesn't know about O'bannon

17 battle star Fletcher.

I'll leave it at that.

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>>41162420

... the exact same way. But man, most Marines get super anal buttblasted pooper-peeved if you point out that they fought like intelligent Americans. Army troops on Iwo used to joke that the most dangerous place on the island was between a Marine and a camera. They were probably *twice* as buttblasted, though. Because Army.

I'll find a bait to match Metal Hate sooner or later, though. Mark my words.

>>41162492

I fucking doubt it.

Who's she. She's cute. Got her number?

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Reminder that STACKED is a thing now.

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
This is painful to say, but I've got a bad, bad feeling about this as a trap. The majority of our carrier force is out there, and it's too valuable of a target to let get baited.
I'm also worried that this whole thing is a Sho-style diversion to draw our carriers away while a group of abyssal battleships steam down our throat at base.

>>41162512

It's some random anime girl off pixiv you freak. You've been spending too much time ogling shipgirl ass, it's making you weird.

Er.

>>41162514
I hope Lady Lex comes to save us...
I think we're gonna need saving tonight.

Goto needs to calm his tits, overeacting to a few civies getting gibed when it was dangerous to be there in the first place with the abyss. That will lead to unnecessary loss of life on our part, not to mention probably crippling our force projection until we get replacement shipsloops.

>>41162444
You might read up a bit on the Maine Potato Incident, one of the more interesting battles the O'Bannon ever had.

http://www.historybyzim.com/2012/03/the-maine-potato-episode/

>>41162267
>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Dual fistting SWQ and KCQ assuming both will end without a silly french FIN....

Damn you planefag damn you to heck.
Also twitter took a shat.

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>>41162341
WITNESS!!!

>>41162532
If we get replacements. Unlike American ship production during WW2, ship girls do not leave the yards every three months.

Is there any way to contact the JAXA station on the island? Some kinda secondary comms? Because if we could they would probably be able to provide at least some information about what is in the air with those fancy radars they use to track aerospace launches. Assuming it wasn't looted of course.

>>41162267
>>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.

Can't we unlesh the SUb's float planes too?

>>41162573

Good idea, I'll add that.

>>41162564

Can't we just start summoning them of our own volition? its not like there is anyone to really stop us given how much slack we seem to have with our command.

>>41162576
!!!
INQUIRE AS TO USING THE SUB PLANES FOR THIS

>>41162576
too late would give the sub positions away

>>41162576

Think we voted last thread not to send them up. Also, assuming it's light, having them launch now would paint a target on the subs' back.

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>>41162305
>Gets banned for avatarfagging
>returns to name fagging

look nigger, start making OC for the quest, and you'll be tolerated, maybe even liked. That's how it works here, that's all we ask. That's why we don't rag on Hornet, or Ghost,, or anyone like that.

We rag on them because they're massive trolling faggots, and fucking crazy respectively.

Until then, >>>/spacebattles/

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L-lewd!

>>41162267
>other
Use the fiber-optic or copper cables that run to the island for internet to get through to someone. Shirley there's a weather RADAR station that someone might still be manning.

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>>41162602
Shut the hell up and leave Bentus alone, faggot.
We like him plenty.

>>41162588
I assume such a thing has to be authorized by the Navy's Chief of Staff.

>>41162602
Considering that Planefag doesn't mind me, nor most people, I'd ask you to stop bring it up and spoiling people's fun with your complains.

More so, I am not in any conflict with the global rules.

>>41162639
Thank you for the support, my friend.

>>41162602
Cept PF said that Bentus was alright to namefag.

>>41162623

She is covered in skywhales, at least its not sperm whales.

>Refuse mass is key
if that is too cold for settle, or we need that base
>Wait
Other than that, its some greater good shit.

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VOTES CALLED, WRITING

>>41162649
>>41162639
>>41162602
Anonymous doesn't speak for Anonymous. Anonymous is wrong, and Anonymous is completely correct. Anonymous said so.

>>41162686
anonymous is dumb

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>>41162623

What are the large aircraft on the deck? Looks like a Catalina, but I thought those were float planes?

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>>41162649
I think you're a fucking retard and need to stop ASAP

>>41162529
hell be staring at more shipgirl ass as soon as I can get SAI to not crash

>>41162708
There was a land based variant, PBY-5a had wheels and floats.

Ohboyherewego

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>>41162714
>Crix
>Calling anybody a retard
>Calling Bentus a retard

>>41162623
I know the feeling.

... Well, mostly the feeling of carrying an entire fleet along in Hyperspace, but I gather it should be similar. Heavy and cumbersome.

>>41162686
Indeed. It reminds me of conflicts in the Exchange.

>>41162714
Oh, like I'd listen to you, Crix.

>>41162531
Who can come to save us in this situation?

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>>41162602
>/spacebattles/
In related news, copyfag confirmed for lazy git. Both sb and sv are fine with Planefag's name, but copyfag won't change it back.

Also sb has stupid rules about danbooru, sv does not. (pic related)

>>41162714
You don't get to say that.

PF, the P-8 Orion's we didn't use, can we use those?

If so

>Send out the P-8 Orions. They can scout out the area using their radars and can hit surface vessels

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>>41162584

>>41162727
One wonders if it was deliberately ironic.

>>41162679
It looks like the keychain rope thing is giving Arizona a wedgie.

>>Insist on waiting for the scouts to reach the target – launching without intel is only an invitation to disaster.
Bad idea to get stuck in before we know what we are up against.

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You know, generally I like the Chink ripoff ship girls

but this is disgusting

absolutely disgusting

>>41162744

They're still at Yokota, 400+ NM away. You should get them in the air soon, though.

>>41162759

NO BULLY

>>41162744

Nitpick: Orion is the P-3, the P-8 is called the Poseidon. :)

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>>41162727
>>41162737

>anonymous

rofl

>>41162770
This is supposed to be Alaska, by the way.

>>41162771

Do it planefag, DO IT!

>>41162679
...OK what does this say?

>>41162744
P-8 = Poseidon
P-3 = Orion

From which battle are we drawing on the experience of wait for scout intel first?

Midway?

>>41162744

Assuming we're under attack by subs/ships, yeah the P-8's would be amazing.
If it's Abyssal aircraft, don't think the P-8's would do too well.

Huh, so planefag made another quest?
*looks at archive...*
Holy fuck, I'm late.

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>>41162790
I angry.

This whole thing feels like an Abyssal trap to draw out part of 7th fleet and the ship girls.

>>41162770
... I'm not sure who it is, but I find it displeasing in the extreme.

Like a grand old dame got disfigured.

>>41162790
Ah, so it was a grand old dame. Damn them.

>>41162790
oh god what. how...I don't even.

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>>41162679
>Morse code

I don't speak Morse.
TRANSLATE IT WEEABS.

>>41162801
Midway, and probably one or two I'm forgetting, but it's a bit of an ironclad rule: never ever launch your main strike package until you're 100% sure where the enemy is, and if there's enemy carriers hanging around, don't risk your carriers trying to switch stuff up unless you have a *lot* of spare carriers.

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>>41162770

Yeaaa they really screwed the pooch on the Alaska Class.

The britbong ships do usually look ballin though. Case and point.

>>41162839
Of as I said earlier, the entire fuckery that led to the battle off Samar

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Harder still needs a friend to make torpedo jokes with.

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We need to find a way to sink one of our own Boomers, ASAP.

>>41162561
>too much water instead of too little
George Miller remake of Waterworld when?

Honestly, as painful as it we should have sent the SBD to help out. They can hit ships and can at least give us an idea if there are fighter planes in the area. No matter what, we need to preserve the shipgirl force and drawing away Hornet's CAP would leave them too vulnerable. They're too irreplacable right now.

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EVERYTHING IS ABOUT TO GO WRONG IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE

>>41162877
16" guns are dangerous enough in the hands of individuals who are not necessarily mentally stable.

The thought of a shipgirl possessing thermonuclear weapons is not one I wish to contemplate long.

>>41162898
we launched them without bombs.

>>41162855
Oh my!

Almost makes me wish I was still Bound... Almost.

>>41162877
Now, why would you do that? The Russians have already lost a few at sea. Wait for them to come up.

>>41162839
I can't imagine the JMSDF puts much weight on carrier tactics when they're educating their officers, at least to the extent that they'd know how to employ them effectively... which might be why Goto is being overwhelmed by the need to do *something* about the islanders.

Admiral Thomas(?) should at least have some training to fall back on though.

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>>41162877
>USS Alabama
>Rustle watched Crimson Tide

This sickens me more than his work, somehow.

Don't ever use submarine base planes.
Fuckers shouln't even have them on board.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine#Panama_Canal_strike

Uselesss REEEEEE

>>41162898

What's the armament of the SBD right now? We launched them empty for recon right?

>>41162877
Somehow, it's the cigar that makes it all work.

>>41162920
pair of .50s in the nose, twin .30s in a rear seat.

>41162917

Wish I could read.

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We still don't have a single USN Cruiser.

>>41162902
Hornet is our carrier, Willie is on AA duty and best girl is back at base

We've got this.

>>41162877
Why are her missile tubes staggered? The real thing has them mounted symmetrically...

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>>41162831
>>41162795
>>41162679

>SETTLE. PUT ME DOWN THIS INSTANT!
>I AM NOT CUTE AND FLUFFY!
>I AM A WARMACHINE!
>I AM FIRE AND DEATH!

That about right?

Cute. Very cute. Need more Arizona being cute. That is critical for the operation.

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Yorktown?

>>41162904
No.
Nope.
Because if they were intentionally sunk, they probably wouldn't come back as girls.

>>41162948
And real ships aren't little girls powered by fairies

>>41162942
I'm thinking Atlanta class or Baltimore.

Ideally, an Alaska.

>>41162947
Both best girls are back in the base.

Willie will actually fuck Abyss over this time.

>>41162979

Maximum kek. I think you mean ideally a Des Moines

>>41162977
>Atlanta

Why would you want that overloaded topheavy piece of shit? There's a reason they redesigned them into the Juneaus.

>>41162994
Willie got a radar.

Planes haet radar.

Gee, I can't fucking wait for SB to sperg out over shipgirl magic yet a-fucking-gain

>>41162977
The Japs have surface warfare fairly well-covered, though; I'm thinking an Atlanta or Cleveland, both of which had a nigh-absurd number of AA guns.

>>41162950
I love Arizona....

>>41162977
There were a pair of Atlantas sunk at Guadalcanal, all the Baltimores and both Alaskas were scrapped though.

Also, the Alaskas were crap. They were fast, and they had big guns, but...there was nothing they could sink that you couldn't already sink with 8-inch guns, and they had the absolute worst turning circle of any US-built warships of the era - the only warship in the fleet that couldn't out turn the Alaska was the Saratoga...

>>41163008
you mean the Oakland sub class

>>41163008
Because San Diego is best carrier escort?

>>41162994
Planefag would never let us have her

>>41163008
Some men know not what they write. Forgive them their ignorance and teach them instead.

>>41163020
Be fair, the thread does not sperg over it.

>>41163023
There is a reason no Cleveland was lost during the War.

>>41163020
Gee, I can't wait for you to sperg out over SB again. I just looove hearing about other forums and how they apparently suck when reading PF quests.

>>41163035
Atlanta sunk in the canal because the battleship likes to play peekabo and snipe anyone who got their light turned on.

>>41163008
We're a tad weak on AA.
Of course, if we had BB-55 then that would kill two zeros with one stone.

Also, a clumsy cruiser girl would be cute.

>>41163020
go to bed ridire

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>>41162233
I was wondering my Goto panicking felt so weirdly out-of-character to me, then I realised that all this time I've been thinking of Admiral Goto as admiral Goto.

What about Baltimore class?

>>41163064
Whom?

>>41163035
You caught me.

The only reason I want Alaska is because I think they're nice looking ships.

>>41163008
BUUUUUZZ SAAAAAAAAAAAAAW EAT'N THEM PLANES BUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUH

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>>41163036
I do not. Even the Oaklands were too topheavy and unstable for what they were. They didn't solve the AA cruiser problem until they stopped trying to build the things on a destroyer leader's hull.

>>41163064
Fucking Goto is literally the best guy from anything ever.

>>41163071
Captian Goto (Patlabor)

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You open your mouth to reply with the obvious – that 18 minutes there, 18 minutes back and god-knows how much combat over Chichi-Jima will tie up Hornet's flight deck in a few hours when she's recovering planes; right about when a max-range strike could be reaching your force with its air cover badly weakened. But the tortured intensity in Goto's eyes strikes a chord that thrums deep inside you; a dissonant minor key that sets your nerves on edge. He *knows* that launching his fighters will probably prove a mistake, but standing by while civilians are butchered - *his* civilians; Japanese citizens – is an agony which can hardly be borne.

But you can bear it fine, can't you? Hell, you already have. That's *your* problem, not his.

“Goto,” you say, your voice tense and controlled. “Any aircraft have already shot their wad – they're RTB, unless they're a CAP for bombardment vessels. And anything that can bombard will be in range of those 155s, or damn near – the JSDF uses rocket-boosted projectiles, don't they?”

He doesn't react; his dark, intense eyes boring into you, drinking in your arguments.

“Tsunami shelters are basically bomb-shelters. By now-” you check your watch “-everyone's in a shelter or underground. I read the study on Nork artillery bombardment of Seoul – Japanese islanders are probably faster than Koreans at running for shelter when a horn sounds. Thirty minutes, Goto. I'll get Hornet's planes spotted and I'll be ready to *clobber* the sons-of-bitches when we know what we're up against and where they are. Hell, with eyes-on we can do bearing-only launches from Mustin and Fitzgerald, too – they're carrying the multi-mode Tomahawks, remember?

>>41163064
Haha, freakin goto.

>>41163089
Oh, thanks anon.

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Goto seems to deflate a little as he releases a breath you weren't aware he was holding. One second he's hovering stock-still, a dark, graven statue in the shadows, and the next he's animated again; human. “You're right,” he says.

“Doesn't mean I fucking like it,” you tell him seriously, then turn back to the screen, keying your headset mic. “Hornet, I need your second-phase scouts to step on the gas – something's happening at Chichi-Jima.”

“Roger,” she replies crisply. “My SBDs are armed – should I spot them? How much CAP am I putting up?”

You flick your eyes down to the clipboard listing your Order of Battle. Hornet's carrying 28 Hellcats, 36 SBD Dauntlesses and 24 TBFs... eight of which are in the air as scouts, in addition to the ten floatplanes from the cruisers.
>Spot a strike force; a balanced package.(12 escort fighters, 12 CAP fighters, 18 SBDs.)
>Spot CAP with unescorted SBDs: You really, really doubt the enemy is maintaining a CAP over any surface ships, and they wouldn’t be insane enough to have their fleet carriers that close to ChiChi-Jima. Defense first. (16 CAP fighters, 24SBDs with 12 in reserve, ready for a quick spot-and-launch if needed.)
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163034
We all do, anon. We all do.

>>41163067
Baltimores are less of an AA escort than they are something to be escorted by AA escorts. Not because they're necessarily lacking in AA, but because 15,000-ton CAs are going to be targeted by the bombers.

>>41163116
>>Spot a strike force; a balanced package.(12 escort fighters, 12 CAP fighters, 18 SBDs.)

eating dinner real quick, I'll check votes when I get back!

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

Her job is CAP. Nothing else.

CAP keeps Midway going.

>>41162491
I have no idea what those mean.

>>41163116
>>Spot CAP with unescorted SBDs: You really, really doubt the enemy is maintaining a CAP over any surface ships, and they wouldn’t be insane enough to have their fleet carriers that close to ChiChi-Jima. Defense first. (16 CAP fighters, 24SBDs with 12 in reserve, ready for a quick spot-and-launch if needed.)

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.
Shes here for Cap lets not forget that

>>41163116

How long can a CAP stay up before it needs to be recovered? I'm assuming that we can't recover and launch at the same time, correct?

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

Division of labour.

Get the jap bombers through and we'll get through this.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.
CAP keeps ships afloat.

>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163116
>Spot a strike force; a balanced package.(12 escort fighters, 12 CAP fighters, 18 SBDs.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163164
It's a destroyer that managed to survive 17 different encounters with the enemy.

Most of them did not have that kind of battle record.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163067
Basically any ship bigger than a destroyer that was actually built during the war and had at least one wartime refit is an absolute monster when it comes to AA. Even the surviving first flight Atlantas had eighteen 40 mm guns to back up their sixteen 5-inchers; the Oaklands ended the war with twenty-eight 40 mm guns and twelve 5-inch guns, and the Juneau class were built that way. Every Cleveland-class built was armed to the same extent as an Oakland or Juneau, plus their 6-inch guns could elevate to 60 degrees. And the Baltimores had twelve 5-inch guns and forty-eight 40 mm guns as built...

Someone quipped on that other forum the other day that Hornet has more AA than Akagi and Kaga together, and that's in her as-sunk fit with four Chicago Pianos and a couple of dozen .50 caliber machine guns...

>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163116
>>Spot CAP with unescorted SBDs: You really, really doubt the enemy is maintaining a CAP over any surface ships, and they wouldn’t be insane enough to have their fleet carriers that close to ChiChi-Jima. Defense first. (16 CAP fighters, 24SBDs with 12 in reserve, ready for a quick spot-and-launch if needed.)

Remind me again:

SBD vs TBF

SBD = dive bomber?

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>>41162831
okay

SETTERU. KISAMA! PUTTERU ME DOWN THIS INSTANT!
WATASHI WA CUTE AND FRUFFY JA ARIMASEN
WATASHI WA WARRUMACHINU
WATASHI WA FIRU AND FOUR

>>41163116
>>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

I believe that most are right. While in a standard engagement a more balanced load out might be better, here Hornet has to provide a very specific and crucial role.

>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163116
Hellcats CAP, everyone else does spotting.
Dauntless can go looking at the mystery abyssals on the island alone.
Devastators will probably die horribly no matter what we do.

>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.
Hornet is there for CAP anyway.

Nip doctrine - is it to launch escort fighters at the same time as dive bombers/torpedo bombers or is it to launch them after?

>>41163218
SBD = Scout Bomber Douglas. The Douglas Dauntless dive bomber

TBF= Torpedo Bomber Grumman. The Grumman Avenger torpedo/level bomber.

>>41163116
Not too familiar with WWII air operations, so:
If Hornet puts out a pure strike force (gets all the SBDs on their way), does they restrict her from keeping the CAP going while the SBDs fly out, strike, and return? That would give us an extra 'free' strike force with only a small window in the CAP while the SBDs are recovered. Or are recovery operations much slower in WWII than modern carriers?

Or maybe we could send out the SBDs, start CAP going, and have the SBDs recover to the Jap carriers?

>>41163218
Correct. TBF are Avenger Torpedo-Bombers. MUCH better than the TBDs they replaced as well.

>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.
Is there any possibility of, later on, bringing up some SBDs and TBFs to add to Kaga/Akagi's strike? I cannot into carrier ops.

>>41163218
The SBD is the Dauntless dive bomber, the TBF Avenger the second-generation torpedo bomber (after the atrocious failure that was the TBD Devastator).

>>41163218
SBD Douglas dive bombers
TBF Devastator torpedo bombers

>>41163218
SBDs are dive bombers, TBFs are Torp bombers

WoWS effectiveness is the exact opposite of real life.

Is spotting scouting?

Or watching for incoming enemy planes?

>>41163258
>>41163247
Thanks anons!

>>41163262
>Devastator
disregard that, it's Avengers

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

Need to do this right.

>>41163116
Is that abyssal poi?

>>41163274
Spotting means to have the planes ready to launch on the flight deck.
You're welcome as well for earlier.

>>41163246
The methods I've seen are either "launch slowest to fastest, or launch highest-endurance to lowest-endurance", both because it takes some time to launch the entire strike.

>>41163116
>Hellcats

I'm still confused as hell why is Hornet equipped with Hellcats since she never had them during her service from what I tried to research.

Also I know she 'can' equipped them but they never did since she sank in 1942 and the Hellcat was introduced to aircraft carriers in 1943.

Not too familiar with naval tactics, I assume spotting an aircraft is getting it prepped on deck (or in this case quiver)?

>>41163271
>>41163262
>>41163259
And my thanks to these anons as well.

So basically the second choice is launching dive bombers against an enemy with no escort? We know how well that went for the first few flights at Midway.

>>41163274
>>41163291
>>41163315

Woops, didn't see the above post before I posted. Thanks anon.

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>>41163303
>why is Hornet equipped with Hellcats
The magic of shipsluttery

>Defense time is something we have
Fleet carriers are not
also fuck those people

This is why we need a gaggle of CVEs or CVLs to guard against abyssal coastal bombardment/subs.

Casablanca's would be useful about now...

>>41163343
Hellcats are the better of the escort fighters I take it? Gen II that was many folds better than gen I?

>>41163317
At the very least, it is getting them ready for an unescorted strike... which is rather foolish, as such tend to be chopped up, especially against CTFs.

It can work, sometimes, but your bomber group will get chopped up. I'm firmly of the opinion that, if we launch bombers, we send them with the Japanese strike, because we need all the US fighters available for CAP.

>>41163116
>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.
ALL THE CAP - EVEN THE BOMBERS CAP

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>>41163116
>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

>>41163303
Same reason the Somtaaw Exiles could build our Acolytes with full capacities seconds after receiving the schematics.

>>41163358
You can go full Canadian again, and just make barges escort carriers.

>>41163290
Nope. Abyssal Soaring Crane.

>>41163359
>Hellcats are the better of the escort fighters I take it?
They're better that Wildcats which Hornet had historically before she sank.

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>>41163290
seriously nigger?

>>41163359
Hellcats are basically Wildcats with much bigger engines. The F6F Hellcat had a hell of a reputation for shooting down Zeros, although part of that may be because Japan was A, still using the fucking Zero, and B, almost completely out of good pilots.

>>41163367
Bombers CAP - somehow I feel that there is a precedent for this.

>>41163213

Looking like all the American ships had monster AA fits.

Too bad can't get a division of Fletcher's lead by something like a Cleveland class.

Most Japanese ships are pretty, anemic when it comes to AA, compared to the US ships.

They need refits far far more then most American ship girls, except for the older BB's.

Too bad there are two sets of BB's built for the US. The pre treaty ones which were slow and had weak AA, and the WW2 era ones which were a bit faster and had solid AA.

Refitting to increase speed is almost impossible on those older ships like Arizona.

>>41163343
If that's the case then Arizona should be as armed as the Pennsylvania then, instead of her loadout at Pearl harbor.

How did the fairies get Hellcats, this shit has been bothering me since I started researching these ships.

>>41163407
There is. I forget which freaking battle it was (Santa Cruz maybe?), but in the early days, when carrier air groups still had too few fighters, some SBDs were sent to try to intercept a Japanese air strike.

Not a good idea, usually; the better idea is to have enough fighters in the first place, because SBDs are crappy interceptors.

>>41163399
>>41163391
My thanks anons.

Keep on seeing them at airshows.

>>Spot every fighter on your decks – Goto's girls have a deckload strike ready, and another belowdecks waiting to be spotted. Hornet's job is CAP – don't forget that.

It's been constantly said that strike missions are where Kaga and Akagi shine.

>>41163436
SBDs are not even the castles in the sky that torpedo bombers are.

>>41163178
>How long can a CAP stay up before it needs to be recovered? I'm assuming that we can't recover and launch at the same time, correct?

It's typical to rotate CAP fighters every two hours or so. You can launch and recover fairly quickly - launch two replacements and recover two planes being relieved/rotated right after; since launch and recovery wants you to be aiming into the wind. However, to do that you can't have strike craft spotted on your decks.

I should note that Hornet has two steam catapults; this lets her spot fighters forward and launch them pretty quickly (one every 45 seconds) even with a deckload of strike craft behind them. But you simply cannot recover planes like that.

>>41163379
I don't understand the reference.

>>41163399
this.

>>41163391
Also this, I checked some sources and mentioned she was still only equiped with Wildcats.

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>>41163303

The same reason she's equipped with TBFs and not TBDs.

>>41163427
So what you're saying is, we need the Showboat or her sister?

>>41163465
I know a big part of the move to angled flight decks was to avoid exactly this silliness; launch from the forward catapults while recovering at the rear. Would it have been practical for WWII carriers, or were they simply too small for practical angled flight decks?

>>41163488
Homeworld: Cata.

Great game.

>>41163488
MAGIC... or PDAs.

Also, educate yourself and play Homeworld Cataclysm.

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>>41163494
So... the magic of shipsluttery?

>>41163488
It means that if Hornet can equip planes better than the shitty Wildcats she had historically then why wouldn't she.

>>41163507
Most of the Essex got angled flight decks after the war, so any ship of similar size should work as well. (Read: none of the japanese ships)

>>41163494
So lewd. Who is this lewd yacht?

>>41163497
Showboat?

>>41163507

Too small and catapults weren't reliable enough. That, and war experience is what taught them how and why they needed angled decks in the first place.

>>41163379
Nobody get that. Get bent

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>>41163497
Would certainly help in bitchslapping Abyssal Airpower

>>41163507

Essex Claaasss

>>41163494
Because equipping anything with Devastators is a sign of hatred.

>>41163494
Which is....?

And at least the TBFs were available and around when she was still in service compared to the Hellcat.

How does that even work? Doesn't this go against "They launch ships that they serviced" thing you mentioned before thus Hornet is capable of launching B-25 Medium bombers from her deck?

>>41163494
Something something Leveling Effect?

>>41163561
Yorktown carried helis?

How?

Helis did not exist by the time Yorktown went under.

VOTES CALLED BTW, WRITING

>>41163555

NO BULLY

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>>41163546
>Showboat?
BB-55, USS North Carolina.

Prettiest battleships to ply the seven seas

>>41163555
Well aren't you witty?

>>41163575
I can handle a little joke like that, friend.

>>41163555
you're being far more disruptive, hth

>>41163573
That's the Essex-class CV-10, Yorktown, not the Yorktown-class CV-5.

CV-10 most certainly did survive until helicopters came into existence.

>>41163570
Just thinking out loud, but what happened to her Air Group after she sunk? We the squadrons later get new planes?

>>41163573
its after the war but there were helis in WW2 just not naval ones

>>41163575
Yes bully. He needs to take his bentuchus out of here

>>41163541
Because we were just introduced to the whole upgrade thing recently with Kongou and Arizona

At least Hornet seen the TBFs in service but she shouldn't even know what a Hellcat is..

>>41163573
>Helis did not exist by the time Yorktown went under.
CV-10, the second carrier named Yorktown after CV-5 sank, has yet to sink since it is a museum ship.

>>41163604
>>41163606
Oh my bad.

>>41163618
CV 10 is the one in the San Fran area right?

>>41163606
As far as my databanks recall, helicopters came about during the Korean War. At least in a military/med evac role.

>>41163573
Wrong Yorktown

>>41163465
For the militarily ignorant, why can't you have strike craft to do that?

>>41163618

Yorktown served until 1970.

What sort of fighters would she send out? Or could she mix and match the era's?

>>41163651
Nope. CV-10 is in South Carolina nowadays.

>>41163655
Actually The Germans used them in limited numbers in World War II and the Japanese as well but they were called Gyrocopters.

>>41163655
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotorcraft_used_in_World_War_II
here are the helis im talking about

Planefag, can you actually explain the leveling effect?

>>41163651
>San Fran
Wikipedia says Charleston South Carolina

>>41163686
>>41163691
How effective were they?

>>41163465

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. I'm assuming we need the entire deck for recovery right? So if we spot all of our CAP fighters, do we need all of them to be launched before we begin rotating fighters?

>>41163686
Gyrocopters =/= helicopters

>>41163678
It's not specifically strike craft.

It's just that you need a clear deck to land, and if you've got a mess of other aircraft spotted for a strike, you can't land anything. It's possible to unspot a strike, but that takes time, and more time to respot the strike.

>>41163686
>>41163691
New data! Excellent, I will add it to my databanks at once.

My thanks, friends. I will add a significant credit to your accounts in the Bentusi Exchange.

>>41163701
Level does nothing.

>>41163726
And the nips learned quickly a flight deck spotted for strike can mean a flight deck full of bombs waiting to go off as soon as the dive bombers get to you.

>>41163497

The best AA platforms of the war are actually still floating - the USS Massachusetts was the only member of the South Dakota class to get the "ultimate" AA fit, and has almost as many 40 mm guns as the Iowa did; and Iowa's sisters had even more of them. Below them are the Essex class carriers in their final war fit, and then the rest of the battleships (Showboat and Washington, and the rest of the SoDak class)

Showboat herself actually had a pretty anemic AA battery herself as built, since she started the war with 28 mm Chicago Pianos (IIRC, if one gun in the quad battery jammed, the whole thing would cease fire. And the guns were American-designed automatic weapons, which means they sucked when it came to mechanical reliability...)

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Aaaand I'm late as always. Good.

So Goto went full eleven and Settle's particular legion actually made all the right choices. Color me impressed.

>>41163712

THe nips would. Their doctrine fucking sucked. Still sucks. We were a hair fucking smarter, used a crash barrier to separate the recovering aircraft from the shit ready to go. but you can't get that much shit ready to go on an active fucking deck regardless. Maybe some CAP fighters, that's fucking it. And that's a maybe.

>>41163708
they were uses for pilot rescue and had low carry weight so beside rescuing people they had no combat application.

>>41163757
Nice try, Wo.

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>>41163757
>Level 60 is enough
>60k resources are enough

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Eh, she isn't canon (yet).

But something about STACKED makes me want to do more of her.

>>41163747
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rotorcraft_used_in_World_War_II


Here is something you can use.

>>41163827
>Ammo is still severely under necessary numbers
>Been too lazy to grind buckets 24/7

This isn't security. It's fear.

>>41163494
So is Hornet the only one with better gear or is the CarDiv1 launching Tenzans (Jill) and Suiseis (Judy) and we just didn't notice?

>>41163848

Looks like Hate's type of women.

>>41163848
Daym.

>>41163726
Ah that makes sense. Thanks.

>>41163848
Apollo, is that you?

>>41163848
>that stern

the benefits of being a re-purposed battlecruiser

>>41163851
Unfortunately, this information was already provided to the Exchange. However, your goodwill is heartening and will be rewarded.

>>41163848
Who is this good madam?

>>41163848
Swiggity swooty

>>41163848
This needs as many torpedoes drawn as milimeters of stern armor.

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>>41163848

>dem hips

Christ alive.

Dear diary, the STACK was FAT

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>>41163848
you are the savior we need anon maybe not the one we want but the one we need

So while we're waiting, I've got a question.

We know how Settle got his star and command. But how did Goto get stuck with Kongou and friends? We know he wasn't the captain of a warship before the war. What did he do (or who did he piss off enough) to get put in command of shipsluts?

>>41163908
>all that dakka
>all that armor
>all that stack
So why didn't we build 50 of those?

>>41163848
>beam; 107 feet

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>>41163848
The first picture made her hair seem shorter than that.
Still, you have a real talent for STACKED, anon.

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>>41163943
They were built on the hulls of the two under construction Lexington class battlecruisers.

Two of a kind.

>>41163943
They we inefficient as hell for their mass. Yorktowns were much better in terms of operation capacitiy. The Essex were improved Yorktowns.

>>41163954
I forgot to shade the hair in the first

maybe she pins it when the guns are out

>>41163943
Because they were expensive, unstable, and didn't have much of a hangar deck.

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>Everyone here remembers General Billy Mitchell, right? You know, the one famous for demonstrating how vulnerable ships were to aircraft?
>Well you see, he demonstrated the lethality of aircraft dropped ordinance on some old battleships
>Can you all guess where these ships were sunk?
>No?
>Well I'll give you a hint, Chesapeake Bay

>That's right folks, and entire squadron of angry pre-dreadnought battleships is currently sitting parked on the East Coast, just about as far from where all of our shipsluts are stationed at the moment as possible.

>If these girls wake up and decide to hit oh lets say, New York, we are going to be up shit creek without a paddle. Its going to take at the very least a day and a half to reach the East Coast, in that time you have 5 angry Abyssal battleships steaming up and down the East Coast bombarding everything they see.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Battle of New York. Is your anus ready? It's up to Shiggy and Beaver to clutch kill the fuck out of them.

One BB Water Demon and 3 BB Princesses + 1 flag Ru kai is putting it mildly.

So in Darkest Hour/HOI2/3 terms, which year CVs are Yorktowns and which ones are the FAT STACK?

>>41163942
Easily replaced. Just like Settle.

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>>41163990
Neither had the soul of Lady Lex or Sister Sara though.

Langely and those two taught the US how to carrier.

>>41163998
Kindly shut the fuck up about this already. Sure, they're there, but unless and until Planefag decides to make use of them, there is literally nothing to be done.

>>41164015
Miss Arizona and Miss Shoukaku would not agree.

>>41164027
Why didn't they just build a bigger hull and stick the flight tower into there? Instead of having something for others to target?

>>41164010
In Darkest Hour terms? The 1921 model I think, since they were battlecruiser conversions rather than purpose-built carriers. It's been awhile since I've played DH though.

>>41163998
>Ladies and Gentlemen, the Battle of New York. Is your anus ready?

>Pissed off pre-dreads wake up and start wrecking shit.

>wake up a pissed off CV-11 Intrepid.

>Intrepid then reminds them why they suck and are obsolete.

>>41163827
Onigiri pls go and waifu the penis monster.

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>>41163943

Because Lady Lex and Sister Sara were supposed to originally be battlecruisers, but politics are a bitch and people thought battleships were scary. All that in mind, they were repurposed into the FAT-STACKED girls we know and are growing to love.

>>41164045
It is the closest thing I got to try to simulate WW II naval battles.

And trying to get Canada to into carrier task forces.

HOI3's system where you can't share blueprints with allies is bad for lower tech countries.

>>41164044
because STACKS anon

>>41164037
Hornet, Willie, and Naka might Disagree as well

Hate as well.

>>41164045
Thanks anon!

>>41164068
yeah but you can buy runs for your productions. But I think Sara and Lex are 2s. maybe, I play the black ice mod so it change shit.

>>41164068
CMANO is a thing, anon.

>>41164066
>people thought battleships were scary
read expensive.

people thought they were expensive.

And they are

>>41164027
Yes they did, Langely showed the US how obsolete BBs were even before Pearl Harbor.

>>41164089
Any historical accuracy mods to add events you would recommend good anon?

>>41164068
HoI3's changes were ludicrous. I spent like four hours trying to reorganize my chain of command, realized I hadn't even unpaused the game yet, and went "fuck it". DH is the game I'm most familiar with.

But yeah, Lexington was a very early carrier design. Maybe as early as tech model one, but I think model two is more accurate.

>>41164050
>Big Mamie and JFK jr steam in from Fall River, push their shit in even harder.

>>41163848
>Hate disperses at the exact moment this is posted

I wonder what he went off to do...

>>41164066
To be entirely fair, while it did do a lot of damage to our capacity to build new battleships, those naval treaties did help keep spending down during economic depression.

>>41164110
I really doubt that was the case for Langley. Early carrier aircraft did not have long range or heavy weaponry. It was probably the mid-late 1930s by the time the BB was truly obsolete.

>>41164091
>>41164089
Will look into it.

Cash was one thing I never had in HOI though. Production power? Yes. Money? Always in debt.

>>41164030
He's never gonna shut the fuck up about it.
You know it.
I know it.
Everyone knows it.

>>41164050
Not to mention they wouldn't really have anywhere to run even if they could escape.
There ain't Jack shit up north and down south is Norfolk. Which means a good portion of the USN, plus Wisconsin.