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>>40936127
I don't think Japan had any Vaults to begin with, and they got annihilated by nukes because they were under Chinese control (I think).

Honestly, I don't even think Japan exists anymore.

>mfw that idiot has a steering wheel on his forehead

>>40936127
Pretty cool idea, actually. While there might very well be an Enclave presence, you should get your Americana from the remnants of the base - the great-grandchildren of American GIs could be a faction.

>>40936234
>mfw that idiot has a steering wheel on his forehead

>Not fighting for the glorious empire of Honda or Mitsubishi
Please consider harakiri

>>40936234
>not using sacred steering wheels as ornamentation
>not honoring V8 by your deeds

Mediocre/10, would not witness.

>>40936234
nah most of the world got wiped out on a societal level during the resource wars, everyone who had nukes launched theirs when the great war happened and the description of the Vindicator Minigun from FO2 tells us that other countries had more conventional technological wonders since that gun is a german invention.

Throw in china's reverse engineered american tech and their eugenically pure crimson dragoons soldier caste and you have weird wonders all over the world.

Also if you think the vaults actually saved a large portion of america's population you haven't been paying attention to the lore, they were a widescale behavioural experiment meant to simulate space colonization, living on generation ships etc. They more often than not failed and either killed or horrifically traumatized their inhabitants. (see vault twelve, 11, and numerous others)

and the rest of the world is there, we just never see it because the game relies heavily on american cultural values and stylism and it'd be difficult to put it anywhere outside of america. (thus the base in okinawa)

>>40936290
also an option, was thinking the american remnants would live on the island but I'm torn between them being an established presence or being ravaged by an out of control security system. Like say the USA worked with japanese scientists to develop some AIs, robots, turrets, forcefields, etc to help with the war effort and they spared grorius nippon the worst ravages of nuclear hellfire but they malfunctioned somehow and now the american remnants do their best to get it under control.

Alternatively all that shit is broken and a big part of what they do is fight Youkai Raiders (the local japanese would view the americanized japanese on okinawa as foriegners and the americans they serve/live in peace with) who come to scavenge ultratech from the ruins.

>>40936387

You could do an inversion of the crashed sub in FO:2 with a crashed american airship/flying fortress to provide a different camp of american descendents. Maybe more mad scientist secret project types working with FEV in contrast to the Army base with more of a brotherhood of steel approach. Gives you more space to have different takes on americanization of japan, influencing local warlords, etc.

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>>40936646
well I could take two approaches

first idea for the American GIs, they lost control of the base and it's defences years ago, were forced to fall back and currently operate out of a fortified bullet train maintanence station call themselves Thirteen Blessings and assign spheres of power and significance to each of the 13 commonwealths their symbol is a circle with 3 lines through it meant to evoke a sunset the implication being that the sun has set on the American Empire and that they're all on their own. Their idea being to take a patient respectful approach with the native japanese and to try and get them to accept technology but to not expand american territory beyond Okinawa. (though they consider the island itself to be their territory as every inch they own was taken from mutants, raiders, or homicidal robots at the cost of human lives)

next up we'll have the enclave remnants, probably have them refurbish an oil tanker into a nuclear powered cruiser which eventually gets smashed against one of the okinawan shores after tangling with the local defence systems (death ray towers, automated attack drones, etc) these guys wear the enclave symbol, view the locals as serfs and intend to "properly americanize" the region.

PCs could be from either faction of americans or any japanese group, have dreamed up any major factions but dynasties based on japanese companies that operate out of old industrial buildings turned into palaces are a good idea for starters, and then there's gonna be adventurers who raid Okinawa who dress up like demons in the hopes of terrifying the demons who live there.

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>>40936810
dammit wrong pic

>>40936810

sounds dope, I'd play that. You can use the japanese cultural lens of taking american things and making them odd, but with fallout 1950s americana. Seems like a lot of fun.

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>>40936810
Thank you for your support

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>>40936936
Well one thing fallout does is it americana and uses it as a vehicle for satire and a form of stylism to make itself unique. Arguably bethesda went too far with the retrofuture shit in 4 and they seem to have dialed it back a little for FO4 but I digress.

When it comes to Japanese culture the way I'd handle it is try to highlight japan's fucked up relationship with it's past, it's expectations of itself, and the way they treat other cultures.

Also engrish and fetishism of foriegners in both positive and negative manners.

I'm not gonna bother with FO3's AdvMK2 armor variants as they were an odd nonsequitor to FO2's APA. Main place I'm going with this is anyone wearing these is gonna look like a fucking demon no matter which way you slice it so calling the americans who rule over the populace Yokai just makes sense. Have the normal japanese spin tails of an american demon king who rules over the whole damn island from a castle made of skulls and crap.

In fact I'm gonna give the GIs a handful of powered armor suits that they maintain and have cobbled together and not let the Enclave be much better off since they're war refugees, use of laser and plasma weaponry would have to be somewhat limited since the local area wouldn't have the facilities required to produce them enmasse though they could produce them.

think I'll switch that bullet train maintanence platform to the Okinawa Subway terminal and give the Enclave a beach resort that they reclaimed from mutated sea life, giant hermit crabs crawling around in car chassis and mantis shrimps that can shatter tanks with a single blow etc.

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>>40937148
hmm, japanese cities... probably try to make them a mishmash of cyberpunk arcologies and little spaces full of traditional temples, garden parks, and public nature facilities, and the whole mess of it is ruined by years of neglect. (though the arcologies are best off on okinawa thanks to advanced repair drones maintaining the city, on the other islands they've mostly crumbled to dust and are being used as building materials for the more rural and traditional lifestyle the average japanese person is now living.

so we've got a shogun, and an emperor, probably just give both of them a cluster of islands to rule over since japan is made up of around 6k islands and 450 of them are inhabited in our timeline.

main issue is figuring out how hightech I want prewar japan, aside from the american tech I was thinking of having some japanese style robots like Asimo be an enemy type and salvagable once you get away from okinawa and onto the islands where they did R&D along with japanese energy weapons and maybe some kind of high tech samurai armor made for the JSDF, not powered armor really flamboyant combat armor basically.

Tech fear aside the guys with the tanks and the laser guns are gonna rule the Land of the Gamma Ray Sun so I'm thinking of stuff like personalized war vehicles and mutated mounts for the inevitable long term travel portions.

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>>40937299
>Personalized war machines
Dekotora?

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>>40937517
Because 'personalized', 'Japanese', and 'machine' in the same sentence sounds like dekotora.

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>>40937517
can't believe I forgot all about Dekotora culture! Well now I have a whole subset of raider culture laid out, gotta come up with a snappy name for Technophiles, maybe just copout and call them Otaku since that word is supposed to denot someone who has an unhealthy obsession with something anyways.

probably put the Technophiles into small walled camps on the larger islands, make Youkai Raiders a different faction who trade with the Otaku for tech expertise and the odd bout of robot support during a battle.

>>40937609
One thing you might want to try to emphasize is just how orderly modern Japanese culture is. As in, they're less individuals among others and more individuals in a collective. For instance, articles on looting after the 2011 earthquake that hit.

>>40937791
interesting suggestion, and not a bad them to go with.

Also plays into some interesting historical bits, for instance Okinawa was actually the heart of an ancient kingdom called Ryukyu that existed from the 15th century to the 18th (japan annexed them, they have their own language and errything) might have a new RyuKyu royal court backing the american GIs or as a faction for the players to appease and recieve support from.

but yeah, aside from Dynastic Factionalism I can see modern japanese passing on the "for the good of all" value to their children. Thus creating several cultures which function like tightknit clans. (which in retrospect would make it hard as hell for the Enclave Remnants to make leeway in hearts and minds despite their advanced tech since 13 Blessings has been there since Day One trying to retake control of the haywire security systems and make life on the island relatively safe.) So "mainstream" japanese live for the group in a way that "americans" like the GIs would find borderline disturbing while the native japanese would view their individualism as quaint and destructive.

Hmm, Okinawa actually has around 32 military bases IRL, I'll crank it up to fifty just for numerical symbolism and cram the pre-war inhabitants into hilariously cramped residential arcologies, have the locals live in carefully guarded apartment complexes, factories, and other repurposed buildings due to the threat of mutants and rampaging robots.

Oh and ghouls, what do you guys think of venerable elderly ghouls who do their best to guide people before they go nuts? (I'm thinking going feral is inevitable if you don't die, it's just a matter of how long and how much you have to cling to)

>>40937958
Sounds interesting. Might have samurai-esque bodyguards with swords to serve a dual purpose of protecting their wisdom and ending them when they go feral.

>>40938013
Japan actually mass produced/produces swords for their military that are based on katanas so that'd be a pretty easy post war item to get a hold of. Call the Ghoul Bodyguards something like "Corpse Guards" and give them samurai armor with a skull and bones theme.

probably restrict these ghouls and their bodyguards to more tech friendly areas as I want the Shogun and Emperor to be very antimutant, anti tech, and dedicate most of their time to performing a japanese version of road warrior in a surprisingly verdant (if heavily mutated) countryside.

>>40938096
What would they even do in the countryside?

>>40938426

get eaten by feral ghoul kapas

>Seven Super Mutants
>would watch

>>40938426
travel across it so they can get to the farms, factories, rivers, and various other locations where shit happens.

>>40936306
Well, Honda Tadakatsu was in the Sengoku era.

>>40936387
>and the rest of the world is there, we just never see it

Except China and everything near it, including Japan.

That shit is nothing more than Glass and possibly exposed upper mantle.

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if we do this at least one faction has to go full retard imperial japan.

>>40939628

So basically a group of cannibal raiders...but with a uniform?

>>40939609

Definitely exposed upper mantle, remember, fucking Nobody likes China, not in real life and certainly not in Fallout, so not only did it get the shit nuked out of -even more- than most others combined, enough to make it a lifeless wasteland where even Ghouls and Super-Mutant -assuming the FEV got that far- cannot survive the radiation, Mothership Zeta is canon last time I checked, so it ALSO got hit with a fucking Alien Doom Laser.

>>40939738

That would be a good Wild Wasteland event, you are just minding your own business one day, you look at over the sea to the mainland and suddenly China gets fucked all over again, but from Space.

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>>40939738
elements of Zeta are canon, probably the crater and I doubt that laser got fired if only because cause and effect doesn't really apply to that DLC

>>40939647
think of it as a splinter group that will do anything to further the goals of japan (their goals) and who live like absolute savages (beatings and torture to keep the troops in check, rape camps, cannibalism etc) but they pretend they're civilized and have official backing (while both the current shogun figure and emperor have a standing bounty on them)

probably one of the worse threats on okinawa since they want a shot at that sweet american tech and are crazy enough to brave the automated defences, horrific mutants, RyuKyu Guard and 13 Blessings GIs.

>>40939889

Seems like the type of people no one would hesitate to eradicate, like, even above normal Raiders who are more of a nuisance.

The kind of people factions would go out of their way to eradicate, really.

I don't know too much about Fallout lore, but always wondered something. What happened to South America?

>>40939934
Why do you think the Vipers, Jackals, and Khans got their asses kicked so hard? No one tolerates raiders.

>>40939940
irradiated by fallout, contaminated by trace elements of FEV but otherwise unchanged aside from the damage caused by the resource wars.

I'll be honest that I'm incredibly doubtful that Japan is above sea level anymore.

Gotta remind people that Fallout usually takes place 100-200 years after the bombs. Plenty of time for it to start looking like Chernobyl does now.


And like someone said above, Japan and the rest of Asia has lots of little islands with pockets of civilization. You couldn't hit them all even if you wanted to and China was a bigger, easier target.

Also, anti-air weapons are a thing, as shown in New Vegas.

>>40940207
Nuclear winters probably froze plenty of it back.

>>40941171
Fallout runs off of 50's SCIENCE. Real life radiation and it's properties are basically meaningless.

>>40941171
nuclear winters aren't canon going by FO1, idiotic New Vegas NPC commentary aside, and yeah I was gonna have japan be full of verdant greenery but...wrong. Mutated and stuff, maybe have cherry blossoms that are bloodred and peaches that taste bitter, sorta try to milk the lost innocence.

>>40941210
There's a lot of weird, predatory plants you can include. And since Burgerstan and China went into Japan, you can have them all there. Explosive berries, man-eating flytraps (that never eat women).


Most important question, what's going on with Akihabara? Is it as funny as in Damascus Gear?

>>40941274
well "Akibagahara" or "The Electric Shopping District" is in tokyo after WW2 it was a blackmarket and popular place to buy consumer electronic goods. I've got "proper" japanese shunning the arcology city ruins and anything more advanced than late WW2/early WW1 tech so it's simple enough to turn it into an Otaku/Dekotura stronghold and have the inhabitants mount raids on surrounding areas and force local farmers to give them foodstuff in exchange for being allowed to live.

tech raiders I guess.

>>40941371
Quick question, I know America was stuck in the Harrison Burgerrone 1950s for 100 years, but what about China? As much as they tend to get in fights with Japan, wouldn't they have advanced as well and shipped some things to Japan?

>>40941450
Fallout Diverges after WW2 and the culture is more nuanced than "stuck in the fifties" for instance cultural events like rock & roll, the summer of love, and the sexual revolution still occurred it's just that they never penetrated the cultural mainstream by and large the powers that be locked down what it meant to be american and kept things Jingoistic, Wholesome, and tightly controlled.

as for china? They had nothing to do with Japan aside from some saber rattling, look up IRL china, they were too busy for like 50 years rebuilding to give a damn about warring with Japan and the bombs dropped in 2077. The only known land invasion we have of china is the Alaskan front, we do know america dropped some divisions in Yangze and the american bases in asian, particularly japan, were probably heavily involved in that.

It's possible but doubtful that china sent off a division to japan, and okinawa in particular. Too busy dealing with power armored divisions and then being a smoking crater.

>>40936387
>the Vindicator Minigun from FO2 tells us that other countries had more conventional technological wonders since that gun is a german invention.
Not true.
The L30 gatling laser from the same game is also a German weapon, made by H&K.
The M72 Gauss rifle and PPK12 Gauss Pistol is a German design (but the game doesn't explicitly say it was produced in Germany, it could have been licensed)

>>40938486
In all seriousness, a Fallout that takes place in Japan would very likely see the resurgence of several cultural icons by post-apocalyptic survivors.

Stuff like Caesar's Legion and The Kings would have Japanese equivalents like people calling power armors Gundams, or local rulers naming themselves after past rulers.

I would actually expect to see something as silly as the Seven Super Mutants, or a gang that calls themselves Kamen Rider Ghouls.

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>>40941572
fair enough, main point is the various other nations had their scientific geniuses if not their own local wonders.

>>40941663
well what would japan be without samurai or ninja? Or power armor stolen from an okinawan base and trussed up like a VOTOM or a street gang that runs around in bug costumes riding down mutants and raiders on alcohol powered motorcycles?

say what you want about fallout but pop cultural silliness has always had it's place. (if a minor one in the first entry)

>>40941518
Fucking thank you. Too many people get stuck up on Fallout being the post-apocalyptic 1950's when it is and has always been so much more than and so different from that.

>>40941723
The 1950s Cultural Aesthetic is just a vehicle for satire and a sort of cultural touchstone that everyone can latch onto. You can theoretically do Fallout in other countries but you'd need a decent grasp of the local culture, an appropriate aesthetic and a way to bring some twisted irony to every interaction. In proper fallout you have it with the Atomic Age dreams juxtaposed with the Wasteland Savagery. With Fallout: Okinawa I'm thinking juxtaposing japan's culture and civility with the savagery of the wasteland and the dark, twisted beauty of their mutated wilderness (bloodred cherry blossoms from trees that weep foul smelling sap, fruit bearing trees that give life nourishing fruit that tastes like bitter tears, apple trees that were crossbred with opium so the fruit is addictive and soporific, etc etc)

>>40941754
I'd point out the inextricable link between Westerns and Samurai films. That alone should allow for some fun common ground between the American west coast and the Japan of your game.

>>40941781
huh, yeah it's funny how much the good westerns and samurai flicks fed off one another, figure revolvers would be pretty popular in Post-War japan if only for how sturdy the little bastards are. You know that Japan perfected the flintlock musket? If they hadn't isolated themselves they'd have caught up to modern gunpowder weapons easily enough but they isolated themselves and never really developed past flintlocks because they'd literally pushed the technology to it's limit, makes me think they'd handle developed a postwar weapons industry just fine.

Ghoul Ninjas, anon. You gotta have either the Iga or the Koga still clinging on, its members mainly ghoulified but still having some fresh meats.

>>40936387
I would imagine that a place with automated defences would have a nuclear-hard command center in a setting like this. Something like a single vault, but without the deliberate failure points and the ability to shut down parts of the defence system. They might actually still control the harbour - though they'd probably be either really inbred or have been "marrying" the locals for a few generations.

>>40936810
I like the idea of both - the enclave remnents would have probably caused a major civil war between the loyalist elements of the okinawan survivors and the more progressive faction. That civil war could be the reason the defenses failed in the first place.

>>40936127
Sounds like a fun setting OP.

>>40937958
I like venerable ghouls. Maybe instead of ghouls being hated like they are in america, in Japan they are super honored because they are like super ancestors? So like the leader of each town is usually a ghoul. Some people go out and try to get radiated hoping they get turned into one? Maybe some sort of horrible ritual is thought to prevent going feral or maybe it is just tons of meditation.

>>40941210

Fallout 1's backstory had a major nuclear winter.

Did someone say 1950's Japan? Because I got something to look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKOPYO_Kt0

Some inspirations for visuals and 1950's tone? tl;dr Tetsujin 2004 remake is pretty bleak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2zYuQqzEJQ

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>>40945793
Well that kinda raises a question: Did Japan have their own robotics companies, or were they reliant on RobCo. for their robots?

>>40941274
I would think the local flora and fauna would be far worse than the states, mainly because most of it wasn't scorched by nuclear fire. Rather than deathclaws, have survivors deal with giant mantises the size of Super Mutants and bigger, plants that are a lot more reactionary and can devour a human in seconds if not careful. Would make even a walk through old Tokyo feel like a hazardous dungeon run.

>>40936810
Also the 13, maybe instead of just being Americans, they are Americans, as imagined by Japan. Their only ties to Amerian culture are through their ancestors and decaying records of that far away country. Remember that America annexed Canada to fight in Alaska? Maybe the same happened to Japan briefly. China used it as a stepping stone to get war material to Alaska, while keeping soldiers in Japan to fight the local resistance(headed by the 13's founders).

>>40936127
Why stop with one emperor? Why not 2? 3? This is post-war here, so there could have been a period where people simply flocked to different individuals based on where they were. These individuals would later become rulers of their region and even later, emperors. It would allow for some larger scale conflict between the locals beyond just fighting raiders. These emperors could be radically different, as was the NCR and Caesars' legion. For example, one is considered Emperor simply because he can trace his lineage back to the original emperor(a lie but who's going to question him when any record of such a thing is gone?) while another could be descended from the aforementioned Chinese occupation force. Separated from the mainland, a very ambitious general decided to make Japan his own country and generations later, a Divine Imperial Dynasty is born.

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>>40936127
The Emperor should be a mutant who's survived the war and the fallout, and the Japanese worship as a sun god because he glows.

The mountains are haunted by tribes of mutants called onis.

I would go more with an 80's aesthetic rather than 50's just because its more iconic for Japan with the daimyos all being descended from mega corporations. Sort of an apocalypse of a cyberpunk apocalypse.

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>>40944755
Well for the Automated Defences I was thinking of a super fortified base towards the core of the island and that the defences were run by a super computer that went haywire and killed most of the higher echelons of what would later become 13 Blessings. I'm thinking either a chinese cyberwarfare thing or a japanese faction trying to take them out before they can become a threat.

I was gonna have the Enclave show up way after the base defences went nuts but the way you presented the civil war makes me think it makes way more sense to have them in/directly cause the base defences going nuts in the first place (maybe an attempted coup by enclave forces backfires and causes the defences to go hostile to everybody) also it explains why the 13 don't wear the stars and stripes and don't just call themselves New America or whatever.

>>40945180
it would vary based on the area I think, I've got japanese freaking out over advanced tech since it caused this mess so some would see feral ghouls and assume that's their true form and the sane ones are just trying to get them to let their guard down. I'd say there's no cure for going feral, you're gonna get there but mental and emotional discipline will stave it off longer so yeah, buddhist meditations and what have you would let you keep your sanity longer.

>>40936127

Is this because of that thread on /v/?

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>>40948070
The emperor should be a super mutant who thinks he's the reincarnation of Oda Nobunaga.

>>40947665
>Akihabara
Radioactive stretch, that got directly slammed with a nuke. The only people who live their are insane mutants, stripped completely of all sanity and humanity, that exist in a perpetual savage state that drives them deeper into madness and causing them to perform increasingly degenerate acts of inhumanity, hedonism, and self-destructive behavior.

so not much different than it is now, except with radiation and slightly more mutants than normal

>>40949007
>Here we stand at the gates of the 6th Heaven, Shiny and Gold!
10/10 would WITNESS him. Bonus points if he's actually well intentioned and trying to help, if a bit extreme at times.

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>>40947665
I'm gonna say yes, Japan had their own robotics companies and they rivaled rob-co for their tech complexity and value but american hegemony kept the machines resrticted to japan, probably have some latter day tech elements with androids/gynoids indistinguishable from humans.

yeah the flora and fauna should probably be super hostile, considering japan's fascination with giant monsters include a lot of upsized insects and household animals (cats like tigers, wolf-dogs the size of horses etc) I wouldn't want 2 story bugs to be very common but I can see that being an excellent bossfight, carnivorous vines that create a labyrinth and trap travelers are another good one, the usual venus flytrap etc.

and yeah, one issue I had with the 13 is that after a handful of generations they'd be asians with the odd anglo or black feature so a good portion of their understanding of america will be filtered through japanese culture, the more educated ones will actually understand history and have read books but most will only have a vague connection to their american roots. (the Enclave Remnants meanwhile will have a stronger grasp of what it means to be american but only in the jingoistic revised history sense and won't bother to examine american policies or culture too closely like the more educated 13 members did.)

and yeah, I should probably just go full sengoku and have a bunch of emperors and shoguns vying for control of japan, have some chinese elements (probably a push to remove the support elements of the Yangze invasion rather than anything to do with alaska) and the usual mix of old japan and modern raiders.

>>40945793
I'll have to look at that when I have the time.

>>40942545
not a bad idea!

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>>40948070
I'd probably lean more towards mutated Ape Men than Oni but enormous, ugly mutants who are called oni also work, maybe nobbly growths on their heads that can pass for horns.

actually trying to mix 50s cultural aesthetics with 80s with arcologies, people crammed into residential structures like sardines, megacorps becoming diamyos later on, the ruins of japan's technical excellence ignored by the postwar inhabitants of japan in a desperate attempt to return to their roots despite how much good the tech could do them. etc.

>>40949007
wrong side of the world for super mutants but doable with another breed of mutant.

>>40949165
Praise be to Beetle Jesus. May you be found worthy that he may give you strength to flip your opponent and mate with the female.

>>40949007
Or just do what Caesar did. Find some old history book, take the name of a historical figure, and build an Empire with that new persona.

Since most wastelanders are probably illiterate, no one will question him.

honorabu yamaha cavalry when?

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>>40949099
Giant japanese giant hornets.

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>>40949908
that's nothin

>>40936127
>Japan
>4chan
>but I wanna do something different
The Baltic. Mongolia. Tibet. Nigeria. Palau. Brunei. The Adriatic. The Amazon. The Falkland Islands.

Hell, apart from the usual suspects most of the US states are more original than Japan.

>>40950272
>The Falkland Islands
>Argentina takes them back during the chaos
>England gets buttmad and nukes Argentina
>Chile, Peru, Bolivia and Uruguay are fucked by the radiation

>>40950272
>on 4chan
>complains about japan
>>>/int/

>>40950272
Yes, he wants to do something different from Fallout, and set it outside the US. He arbitrarily chose Japan, or maybe not arbitrarily because we're on 4chan. None of that makes it "not different" from regular Fallout.

is there some site where you can buy insects(dead ofcourse) like dat hornet?

>>40950501
try educational sites that supplie schools with disection specimens.

>>40950475
it was the american bases and my passing knowledge of japanese culture, cultural nuance is integral to fallout.

>>40936127
>200 years tier of incest by the survival royal family faction
>mixed anglo-japenese faction made from remnants of US military
>remnants of economical dynasties that existed pre war still fighting over old grudges
could be pretty cool

>>40951023
Actually at this point the discussion has evolved to a full out feudal war being fought over multiple emperors claiming the right to rule. So far we got one claiming to be Nobunaga, and one descended from a Chinese general trying to establish his dynasty.

Still, there hasn't been much talk as to what sort of mutants would be in Japan. Super Mutants are a byproduct of FEV, so that isn't possible; but at the same time it can be argued ghoulification happens because of trace amounts of FEV so Japanese ghoul ninjas could mean FEV is airborne and managed to reach Japan via the Enclave presence there maybe?

Or possibly the Japan based Enclave developed their own mutagen in an attempt to counter the radiation and instead created something else.

>>40951131
just have a look at japenese folklore for inspiration for the monsters

>>40951131
FEV from the mariposa military base infected most of the world thanks to the nuke that hit it. just trace amounts but enough for ghouls to occur everywhere and enough for mutations to get a nudge.

was thinking the native monkies would get huge and violent, ogre like human mutants for oni, maybe vicious and ultra huge foxes.

Why bother making the setting Fallout at that point.

That's so against what the point of Fallout is. You might as well have made your own setting instead.

Besides in Fallout lore, America is the only actual survivor.

>>40951440
Eh, Raul said there were still some people in Mexico

>>40951476
Yeah and in Fallout lore, the USA was on the verge of annexing Mexico.

Anyway. The ENTIRE point of the Fallout setting is it being set in the Retro-futuristic mccarthyist USA with a vaguely western vibe. You take that away, and it's not Fallout.

>>40951516
There is still the interest of exploring the rest of the Fallout world. So until Bethesda actually writes something up, fans can worldbuild what they want until something more official comes along.

>>40936127
>I want to set the game outside the USA.
Why are so many people retarded?

>>40951440
I don't think it was directly said America is the only survivor. Just the only KNOWN survivor.

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>>40951653
A better question is why are you so buttmad over something so trivial?

>>40951516
the entire point is making the bland brown wasteland mildly interesting by using americana and retrofuturism to make itself unique, you missed the point of the series by focusing on the window dressing. America has dozens of strategic bases in europe and asia and using them as a vehicle to examine america's relationship with tbe world is viable.

your assertation that only america survived is bullshit for multiple reasons and exists only so you can beat a dead horse and snarl at nerds who are having fun wrong.

>>40951669
>HEY GUYS I WANT TO RUN A WATERWORLD GAME BUT - GET THIS - IT'S ENTIRELY ON LAND!

>>40951688
>Hey guys, gonna world build, what do you think?
>OMG GTFO FAGGOT!
ftfy

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>>40949908
>Giant japanese giant hornets
Not giant medium sized ants?

>>40936127
Some of these ideas sound awesome, but given its Fallout, please at least ham-fist some Americana in there.

That aside, what system do you plan on using?

>>40951939
probably go traditional and use GURPS, barring that. AFMBE, maybe savage worlds.

and one of the major issues with okinawa IRL is american military bases making life hard on the locals so the starting area will be american as fuck.

Have you guys bothered to ask /jp/ about Postwar Japan and the 1950's? Because that would be the first place I'd ask.

Otherwise, I'd indirectly ask /a/ about the topic, like ask them "What some good anime features Postwar/1950's Japan?" or "Is Tetsujin 28 (2004) any good?"

And then segue into talking about the time era.

>>40949099
>I should probably just go full sengoku and have a bunch of emperors and shoguns vying for control of japan,

We need some psuedo-Neo-IJA armies mixed up in there. Or like some group that's building up to retake Manchuria and GTFO this nuked hellhole because Grass is Greener on the Other Side

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Even though is Pre-War and not Post-War, I feel like The Wind Rises deserves a mention, especially its commentary about Japan struggling to keep up with the western world.

I cried like a bitch at the end

Found this photo archive of Japan in the 50's.

http://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2014/03/japan-in-the-1950s/100697/

>>40952341
I heard the dub was decent, which should I watch?

>>40952413
The dup is pretty good, especially when they start singing in German. Whichever you prefer since they are somewhat equal.

I prefer dub, but that's because I like the manager's grouchy voice, and the German and Italian accents come across clearer.

>>40952379
That is awesome.

>>40952379
you da man

huh, could base a lot of gangs off youth culture I guess.

>>40951653
Think of it this way: even for Americans, most people can't really tell the difference between a lot of cultures in the US outside of the northeast, the deep south, and the west, if at all. And that's modern day.

Fallout, even though set in the future, is loosely based of of the 50s with some western themes. So basically you lose any real uniqueness to the culture for a lot of players, so they want to change it up with cultures that are amazingly different from those of the United States.

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I still imagine him wandering the wastelands, fighting "Demons" and evil people...

>>40955145
Samurai Jack in Fallout..

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okay so we've got extremely violent flora and fauna, arcology cities that have been abandoned for the countryside (except for the handful of japanese factions that haven't given up tech since the others are trying to "return to their roots" the three prominent factions there being the Youkai Raiders, Otaku, and Dekotura) so that leaves the rest of the japanese at roughly WW1 level technology aside from the odd salvaged energy weapon or what have you.

Giant Insects and Carnivorous Plants are an obvious threat, was thinking of having mutated foxes that can turn invisible due to their proximity to a crashed chinese cargo transport that had some stealth tech inside of it, they have their kits stay inside of this nest made from chinese stealth suits, the size of wolves and twice as vicious.

>>40955145
with some effort he probably could've gotten back to japan via teleporter actually.

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I'm thinking it'd go something like this

>>40955235
Maybe have some more populous, permanent settlements be reconstructed around shrines. The more spiritual people will still need to worship and pray. Probably only the bigger shrines will still exist; repurposed as a settlement growing around it or desecrated when turned into a raider camp. Might even be new shrines, dedicated to the new spirits.

I'm going on the assumption that most American bases in the Okinawa prefecture are still standing, either irradiated, populated by mutants, or robots with an order to kill anyone not registered as friendly(200 years later, no one could be on that registry). The Japanese know the names of these places, but not what they mean. Like Fort Buckner, or Camp Hansen. They'll just assume these foreign names belong to the names of powerful kami, and they might even come to building a shrine and worshiping them, hoping to appease them long enough to scavenge in said bases. This could explain how despite being at WWI level of tech, some people might be sporting plasma rifles and laser pistols.

>>40957250
actually if you look it up a good portion of the american bases in Japan have japanese names (most bases just take their name from the location, though it's theoretically possible that the bases in that timeline had americanized names instead of the "normal" japanese ones america has in our timeline) but yeah I was thinking shrines would be an important part of everything 13 Blessings would have an enormous shrine in the heart of their base dedicated to America where they go to meditate and contemplate what it means to be american and try to get in touch with their ancestor's spirits. The japanese on Okinawa would come in a handful of flavors, serfs that are ruled over by the Enclave remnants, RyuKyu Peasantry and Nobles who ostensibly are protected by the RyuKyu armed forces but who in fact depend more on 13 Blessings for protection, and the "american" japanese who make up the extended clan of the American GIs descendents.

and yeah most of the military bases are still standing, though not all of them are in good condition. 13 Blessings occupies some, Enclave remnants have some but most are home to mutants and homicidal robots or out of control security systems.

I do like the idea of turning american icons into Kami, and treating prewar weapons like artifacts (since according to Japanese tradition any item over 100 years in age has it's own spirit and is alive in a sense) I was thinking the people who live off Okinawa would probably have a Demonic American figure in the image of Sam an old man who wears the stars and stripes and rules from atop a pile of corpses, his soldiers have iron skin and they use stolen pieces of the sun as weaponry, sailors who go to sea near okinawa send little boats with cargos of tobacco, sugar, or red meat as offerings to Sam in the hopes that he won't sink their ships.

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>>40957440
What do you think of neo-psuedo IJA? There's also a youth communist movement that happened in 1952 in that photo archive?

Speaking of which there's a currently airing anime this season that has people dressed up as psuedo neo-imperial Japanese.

>>40957650
I was thinking of including them as a raider faction but if you ease off the cannibalism and rape and focus on them as a fascistic pro-tech group then they become another group vying for power in the postwar Sengoku period. Would probably engage in the odd raid on okinawa for gear but mostly stick to scrounging up old weapons and creating reproductions of the best stuff they can (WW2 and Modern weapons being uncommon across the landscape but not rare so while everyone in a unit may be using a high caliber bolt action rifle a couple will have a modern Heavy Machine Gun or maybe even a missile launcher if they're really lucky. Grenade rifles and launchers would be reasonably common since making explosives is just a matter of chemistry and trial and error)

The main thing with an IJA group is like the IRL IJA that they be corrupt, brutal, and completely blind to their own faults as a group (though members may recognize how screwed up they are)

A communist movement is probably inevitable since we've got communist chinese invading to stop the Americans in Yangtze and they got left behind after the bombs dropped so some portion of japan is ruled over by their descendents (may tie the ninja clans into them what with the stealth suits and all)

mostly want to make the japanese factions look interesting as a viable background since PCs can be native japanese too (though there's a certain argument for being an american and experiencing the weirdness of japan in this game)

>>40936127
Since japan isn't big into civilian ownership of guns, make the new "samurai" class the descendents of police and soldiers, the few people who would have guns and the only one with access to reliable stock.

Most people are armed only with makeshift feudal era weapons and armor like in the OP pic, and going up against actual samurai in power armor and assault rifles is a dangerous fucking proposition.

tl;dr make samurai tough and getting guns an arduous process to work through.

>>40957904
Well powered armor was an american invention, japan might have some industrial tools that could be retrofitted into powered armor but that's...an idea I didn't consider before and should implement. Could have them run on microfusion cells and small energy cells like T45-ds and make salvaging a Fission Power Core a longterm goal for people with 'em.

but yeah I was thinking the new samurai caste would be descended from cops or soldiers. Old Japan didn't approve of widespread gun use and thus rifles and pistols would be hard to get a hold of and in the hands of professional soldiers or high quality raiders most of the time. Average person gets a bow or crossbow if they're lucky.

I was thinking samurai would come in grades with the highest ranking ones using high tech stuff, the mid ranking ones armed with fully automatic weapons and explosives, and the lowest ranking ones having a high caliber revolver and some swords.

>>40936127
>This entire thread
if you can hear me gamer gods, this would make a fan fucking tastic DLC/Full game...pls...

>>40957440
I refer to this because if you look it up, most bases in the Okinawa prefecture have English names so...

>>40957837
Just don't make them Communist in the true political sense. In 200 years of just hearsay and story, the rules of politics should be really skewed. They should be like the Communists in Metro, follow it by name only. They are basically very large, organized raiders. Possibly a large 'roaming' faction contending with the settled Emperors.

>>40958110

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan#List_of_current_facilities

actually it looks like like most of the current names are japanese but I just skimmed the list so I could be wrong.

>>40958162
I was thinking of maybe having the chinese forces focus more on chinese culture and mythology nad have them try to play up chinese history and their grand culture (that ironically is probably now a smoking crater due to the fact that FO China was hated even more than Normal China)

>>40958212
http://militarybases.com/japan/
Well there area few. Just search for Okinawa. These are mostly camps or small forts. Something the 13 wouldn't occupy and the Enclave wouldn't race resources trying to reclaim. They'll probably be the rampant ones filled with mutants and/or killer robots. A place the locals may try to brave in search of valuable scrap. Like a spare battery to keep the village water purifier working.

>>40958275
now I'm no expect but the naming pattern seems to indicate that the "camps" have western names while the air bases and artillery ranges and what have you have local names.

Anyways treating a fort or camp as having a kami and building a shrine to appease it in the hopes you'll find some nice salvage and live long enough to return isn't a bad idea.

>>40958212
Actually the more populated areas of China are probably gone. But there will still be sections relatively left alone, kinda like the American Mojave. Rural villages and towns that are in the country would probably still be around. Though in that timeframe, China might go back to a Warring states period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warring_States_period

>>40958329
well Zeta had that giant glowing crater but that's a little over the top for my tastes, china's pretty damn big so I've no doubt the major industrial and political sites got nuked to hell but that the more rural regions survived and they're currently playing out "Romance of the Glowing Kingdoms"

>>40958362
>you can't escape from Lu Bu
>now Lu Bu it's a deathclaw or something worse

Just to remind people that /tg/ did create out-of-USA Fallout settings way back then.

UK:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8722284/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13664828/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15808361/

Germany:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13074850/

>>40936127
Okinawa is home to the Ryukuan minority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryukyuan_people

Maybe after the bombs fall, they'll become far more active. With Japanese and Americans being more introverted, they might band into their own faction trying to take over Okinawa.

>>40958617
I was actually thinking the RyuKyuans would attempt to create their own kingdom early on but come to a head against the GIs, later after the Enclave's failed coup causes the security system to go haywire the RyuKyuan Court Approaches 13 Blessings and offers them some contract work to make their kingdom's life a little easier with the implication being that they'd like to enter into a formal alliance with 13 Blessings and later extend their control to other parts of japan since 13 has no intention of ruling anything but Okinawan soil.

>>40958212
I wasn't referring to the Chinese, I was referring to the IJA. Have them as this roving army like Caesar's Legion, spouting communist ideals while following none of them. They could be the exact opposite of the Enclave, and the Enclave in turn could see them as the Red scum that needs to be wiped out, causing them to be in constant war with each other. Anyone unfortunate enough to be caught by either of them will be drafted and forced to charge the no man's land between the two(and get killed)

>>40960014
but if we're including IJA they'd more likely hearken back to the WW2 days, and those guys were imperial fascists who were all about dictatorship rather than communism. Make more sense for them to back a non-nobunaga emperor as Nobunaga was a Westaboo and wanted to get japan caught up with the west.

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Youkai Raiders dress up like various demons of legend, less level scaling more mantling in the hopes of acquiring extra abilities. Kappa for divers, Tenga for scouts, Oni for front line soldiers etc. etc.

>>40951131
Japan has US military bases. Based on F1 it would be too early for FEV to be taken off the original base since it was still unfinished and they had only just noticed that it turns humans into mutants when the base personnel rebelled and killed the researchers, thinking that they were turning people into mutants on purpose.


...but F3 already retconned that and Capital Wasteland had a Vault doing more FEV research and trying to weaponize it. In a weird way since F1 and F2 established that the military wanted to use it to make supersoldiers (after they realized that their original super-vaccine against biological weapons) while F3 has a project that planned to seed it in enemy countries to create crazy mutants that start a guerilla war and cause distractions. So if you are going with F3 Japanese base could have FEV so that USA could use it as a weapon against China and nuclear war could have opened the containers and mutated the base personnel and locals.

>>40962720
*after they realized that their original super-vaccine against biological weapons had the side effect of making the test subjects really strong and smart. (well animals at least became smarter.)

>>40962720
>>40962744
actually the project that created crazy mutants was the source of Molerats in 3, remember the genetic trigger? Reppelent Stick, and I'm setting the game 30 years after FO2, and just stating that went mariposa went up trace amounts of FEV hit the jetstream and polluted the world wherever they fell leading to odd mutants. Considering the US military's obsession with super soldiers though it's entirely likely FEV got scattered somehow, blown up cargo plane or something leading to FEV contaminated mutants in Japan, was gonna lean more towards radiation mutants and toxic substance mutants like those coal-tar beasts from Van Buren.

WW2 brought a great many minor mutations into the gene-pool, and they were spread more widley due to the combined effects of fallout from China: reducing the breeding population and causing further mutations. The release of the FEV accentuated and enhanced latent, benign mutations, resulting in a population of post-war humans with significant alterations, making them more fit for survival due to the 200 years spent without vaults or any unearned safety.

Considering the Atomic themes of Fallout, it might be good to remember that the original Godzilla came out in the early 50s. Japan also has a rather particular attitude to anything nuclear on account of the Bombs, like being even more emotionally affected by the Great War, so working that in is vital.