>>39758595
Furries are weird, weird people.

>>39758595
What the fuck?

>>39758595
>I dont know how to make males and females different

Man, these fucking plebeians are getting out of hand.

The males tend to shitpost more.

What's wrong with tits now?

>>39758595
I homebrewed a sci-fi setting once. One of the races was covered in thick chitinous plates, the males being generally shorter and stockier with sharp or rough ridges, while females tended to be taller, leaner, and have smoother shinier carapaces.

Your best bet is to pick another distinguishing feature of whatever alien you're looking at, and make it more pronounced in one of the genders.

Sharktits! A-woo-ooh!

>>39758595
Females of any species tend to have wider hips than the males. There is also the presence of differing facial structures and body curvatures to consider. If a race is arthropodic, the different shapes in the abdomen may work.

Also if there is any form of cranial ridging, plummage, or patterning, then the most competitive sex, usually male, will have it more pronounced.

>>39758595
>Not wanting to slap tits onto everything

Gender is just like a social construct, you should set your game in a more progressive time where people can be whatever gender they want and physical differences don't matter! - tumblr

Alternatively, just make everyone hot women! - /a/

>>39758595

Look to nature.
>Sex 1 is larger, sex 2 smaller
>Sex 1 practically blends with its biome, sex 2 stands out in some wildly obvious way
>differentiated genetaila or secondary sex-related structures that AREN'T tits
>overt sex-differentiated behaviors

>>39758690
>then the most competitive sex, usually male, will have it more pronounced.

We get it, men are faggots.

>>39758675
>>39758692
I don't think anon wants to make them furfag fapbait material, he probably wants them to not just be a bunch of boring exaggerated human races like elves or dorfs, and instead wants an actually interesting looking race that's separate from humanity.

>>39758595
Differences in size and muscle mass are an easy one. Alternately, take inspiration from weird-ass sexual dimorphism on earth. Only female mosquitoes drink blood, for example- males drink flower nectar.

>goatpeople
>males are shorter and more muscular, females taller and lither

>spiderpeople
>males are much smaller and sort of... not smart, and prone to violence, often live on their own in rural tribal groups
>females lived in mixed societies like everyone else, are shunned for being gross spiders but are often skilled craftsmen

>lizardishpeople
>hermaphrodite species that differentiate based on brood role over the course of several weeks
>"eggbearers" have softer features and longer feathers
>"caregivers" have harder features, are prone to aggression and competitive behavior, and increased muscle mass

>catpeople
>????????????????????????????????
>apparently I never came up with something for them

>>39758693
>Gender is just like a social construct, you should set your game in a more progressive time where people can be whatever gender they want and physical differences don't matter! - tumblr

There are people that actually beieve this, and the concept makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

>>39758722
I don't understand your keep in logic. Birds various kinds such as turkeys, pheasants, peacocks, or birds of paradise will often look fab as hell and do mating displays to impress the ladies with how straight and masculine they are.

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>>39758595
I make plenty of aliens, but almost never in hard scifi, so take all my stuff with a grain of salt.

Here, have some Saharduin

Just look at gender differences in other species.

Serious answer:

Don't bother. At least for one species. Having a species without genders period is often rather interesting.

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>>39758772
>Peacocks

>masculine

>"Hay gurls, look at my huge fluffy ass feathers hahahaha!"

>>39758743
Pretty much

>>39758701
>>39758690
>>39758684
I pretty much did this for the males, making them pronounced and colorful in their basic coloring. Kinda stuck on the females.

>>39758778
That's actually what I was looking for. I am making them a race of land sharks. I actually looked at real sharks but its very hard to distinguish between a male and female.

>>39758804
It's fine if you don't pull a Mass Effect and make them basically all hot women like the Asari.

>>39758771

Sex is biological. Gender roles have a slight biological component, but are largely social constructs. Gender identity is a combination of genetalia, chemical levels, and brain wiring.

If you don't like this, too fucking bad. Reality doesn't require your approval. And no, capcha, no matter how hard you try, that ham sandwich isn't a fucking hamburger.

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>>39758816
Internet could always use more shark people.

Anyway, here are some of my own aliens with a big dimorphism. The men are fuckheug and the women are human sized.

>>39758841
>Gender roles have a slight biological component, but are largely social constructs. Gender identity is a combination of genetalia, chemical levels, and brain wiring.

Doublethink in action, ladies and gentlemen.

>>39758841
>Gender identity is a combination of genetalia, chemical levels, and brain wiring
So gender is biological?

>>39758687
I had that same thought.
>>39758692
Not everything has to have tits on it, ya know.

>>39758595

The chances of an alien species having the same sort of life cycle as anything on earth is nearly zero.

>>39758850
in 99% of animals females are larger.
The more you know.

>>39758595
Coloration, pattern, size and structure are the most obvious and classic ways to differentiate sex in creatures.

Coloration differentiation is most common in birds, reptiles and many aquatic creatures. Size differentiation is extremely common in insects (usually the female is bigger) and is also somewhat common in mammals (usually the opposite, the male is bigger). Structure applies to any species but is much more subtle, the differences in structure between genders are usually not as obvious as other differences. Voice dimorphism is also an easy one but usually goes along with size, the bigger will have a deeper voice and the smaller will have a higher voice.

If you're creating a sentient, civilized species you should also consider cultural dimorphism (different genders of a species acting differently, dressing differently, having different traditions).


My advice is be creative, don't just make funny looking humans who ape human culture (Males are sturdier and thicker and occupy most military an hard labor jobs, females are slender and have value in their society put on their beauty but are considered physically weaker). Consider that an alien society and species should be truly ALIEN and vastly different to our own society, it's too common for people to fall into the trap of making funny looking humans when trying to make an alien species.

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>>39758927
You're right. I'm just... not really into giantess stuff.

Trying to find more I've drawn without tits. Here's some.

>>39758950
>not into larger women manhandling you, crushing you and making you feel powerless.

Get out of my sight you sick fuck.

>>39758815
>Hay gurls, look at my huge gaudy bling, tattoos, and Lamborghini hahahaha!
Isn't there a donut burger with your name on it somewhere?

>>39758950
Im just saying that if your race operates on sexually in the traditional sense, it makes no sense for males to be bigger. Mammals in particular are the exception.

>>39758859

Gender roles and gendered behavior vary wildly across social groupings. Gender roles and behavior can vary wildly in the same social grouping over the passage of time. Therefore, while there is a clear biological component that is a factor, social pressures are a greater driver.

Also, mislabeling isn't a counter-argument, cunt.

>>39758860

Gender identity? For the most part.

>>39758985
You know, I have to say, those donut burgers really made me gag.

But so does stupid bling and frivolous spending on something as worthless as a lambo.

And tattoos are meh, I don't see the appeal.

Just cause you a stupid nigger doesn't mean I am.

>>39758988
>traditional sense
I don't touch the stuff. I hear it messes with your thinking organs.

>>39758996
Put a panda in a three-puece suit and it's just a panda in a suit, snowflake. How you act doesn't change what you are.

>>39758816
>a race of land sharks

Slightly larger females with mating scars, claspers (vestigial?) on the males.

>>39758818
There was actually a bit of dialogue you could overhear at the club an Illium in ME2 where a bachelor party of all of the non-Asari council races was discussing how attractive the Asari were, and they all seemed to think that the Asari looked the most like their species. There was brief speculation that the Asari instinctively use their natural biotics to make themselves appear attractive to anyone they come across, but it is quickly discarded as being way to creepy to think about. As far as I'm concerned that's the explanation for Asari being uniformly hot blue or purple girls.

>>39758816
Well if you're doing sharks then here are some basic rules for what you need.

1. Most shark species do not have any sexual dimorphism, so you could consider creating a society in which distinguishing between genders is done though something other than visual observation (like pheromones, which would mean that members of other species wouldn't be able to tell the genders apart without asking which could make for an interesting society).

2. If you must include some kind of sexual dimorphism, consider having one gender have a rounder snout/nose while the other gender's is more elongated,it's small but as I said, sharks don't generally have sexual dimorphism.

>>39758996

Ignoring the alternate definitions (along with their political/social implications) and continuing to use the words "gender" and "sex" interchangeably is a perfectly fine response, however.

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>>39759069
>>39759040
>>39758946
Thanks, I think I'm going to go for larger females biological, and other then some facial features to distinguish the two, there wont be much biologically different on the outside (claspers very probable). Culturally I already have plans for a matriarchy, so that will help quite a bit. Thanks guys>

Also did not expect shark tits to be such a popular conversation tool on /tg/.

>>39758880
Not really. Evolution adapts things based on the fitness of their environment, but there are some things that are objectively better for multiple environments that could, and most likely would pop up in species outside of earth.

Plus the fact that earth is an extremely varied place. We're finding shit in places we didn't think anything could live in. I wouldn't be surprised if we found things on Europa quite similar to the extremophiles that live in the coldest spots on earth.

>>39759136
A-woo-ooh!

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>>39759146
>>39758687
Who keeps saying that?!

>>39759033

If sex = panda, then sure. A two-spirit Oglala Lakota with a penis is biologically male, its gender role is majority female, and its gender identity is third. Dressing up in female clothes doesn't allow a two-spirit to alter its physical sex, but it is an external indicator of gender identity, and a primary cue used when externally assessing adherence to gender roles.

>>39759075

So long as you're talking about biology, absolutely. It's when culture, behavior, and psychology come into play that higher granularity is required.

>>39759136
No problem, also consider trying to do something to deviate from the over-used humanoid shape. I would imagine something with a quadrupedal shape with additional arms coming from the sides (about where the fins would be on a normal shark). The front legs could be longer than the back to give a more upright appearance.

I don't know, I'm just kinda spit-balling here, I'm just saying be creative! Not every sentient species has to be humanoid.

>>39759031
Please, you've got a simple gender binary for your race. You could have alternating polypoloidies, a gender spectrum based on chromosome ratios, or even internal hermaphrodidity. All of which are real things in nature.

>>39759193
Prove anything you said after "biologically male" actually exists anywhere but in the deluded regions of someone's psyche, and I might give a damn.

>>39759193
Then make your own word quit trying to hijack gender to mean something it doesn't.

>>39759237
My favorite is having slime people reproduce via plasmogamy

>>39759264
Personally, I'm no fan of lgbtbbq, but don't people get mad when they DO make up words? Kind of seems like a rock and a hard place.

>>39758595
SHARK TITS

>>39759252
Unfortunately that faggot is kinda right, but also wrong
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglala_Lakota
The original position was more akin to a tribal medicine position where a man could take the title to act as an honorary auntie for the tribe.

Basically its kinda like how the Norse believed magic was for women, so Odin would dress up in drag to cast spells and some men would basically give up their man-card for magic knowledge.

In other words that anon is kind right but still a fag.

>>39759193
Personally I always preferred Iroquois gender dynamics.

>>39759264
Actually, the word gender has always referred to the psychological counterpart to physical sex.

Though, according to all the research, your gender is formed from your brain structures which are formed primarily from the hormones that your body releases. All humans have the same hormones, though your biological makeup decides what amount of each hormone you end up with and the greatest differences in hormone production come from your physical sex.

Ultimately it is entirely possible and in fact has been recorded quite often for some people to end up producing more of a certain hormone than others of their sex would normally produce (or less of one hormone) during their developmental phases, resulting in their neurological makeup resembling the opposite gender to their physical sex (a recorded if rare phenomenon).

But no, Gender is not a social construct, it is a neurological and psychological construct. Last I heard social interactions didn't dose you up with estrogen or testosterone.

Also worth noting that it is not possible to DECIDE your gender, as I just said it's entirely dependent on your neurological structures.

>>39759403
A-WOO-OOH!

>>39759052
Well you're wrong, it takes three seconds of thought to know you're wrong, and I'm convinced you're one guy who keeps saying that every time someone brings up asari just to rustle jimmies.
There are photographs and statues of asari. That club has a neon sign in front shaped like an asari. A human can take the armor off an asari and immediately wear it. They're not secretly Lovecraftian horrors altering your perception.

>>39759527
>Also worth noting that it is not possible to DECIDE your gender, as I just said it's entirely dependent on your neurological structures
Someone needs to tell tumblr this.

>>39759527
>Actually, the word gender has always referred to the psychological counterpart to physical sex.
Nope, that started in the 50s.

>>39758815
Yes, exactly.

What you have to remember is that humans are weird. They are one of only two species in the entire world where the males are not expected to make status displays via the use of gaudy, over the top clothing, personal adornment, behaviour, etc., except in a very small number of circumstances (which are entirely restricted to specific cultures, e.g. pimps are stereotypically dressed in the huge purple coat and hat with feather and have huge numbers of rings and a cane).

Instead, they're expected to dress like penguins and have the status display being made via gaudy, over the top transportation, housing and job (you tell me that doctors don't get more people lusting over them than waiters, and I'll call you a liar).

>>39759674
So what is the other species, pray tell?

And waiters get fucked more than doctors, just saying.

>>39759527
>Also worth noting that it is not possible to DECIDE your gender, as I just said it's entirely dependent on your neurological structures.

Barring actual psychological disorder. Adherence to or rejection of normative gender roles is a whole other kettle of fish.

To drag this back to topic: what kind of gender roles would shark people have, if any?

/tg/: More ok with shark tits than potatoes, cos potatoes are just not realistic in fantasy.

>>39759860
Why?

>>39759815
>To drag this back to topic: what kind of gender roles would shark people have, if any?
None until mating time. Every single sharkam is expected to hunt and kill on their own, and to be able to show off and impress others with trophic from their kills. The only time this changes is after mating, where it is considered polite to let the female get first shot at a kill.

>>39759907
I take it you've never seen a potatoes thread happen?

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>>39758595
Take examples from nature, as has been suggested already.

Heck, you could go the whole hog and grab an example from one type of fish: it wasn't recognised until recently that the larvae (tapetails), the males (bignose fishes) and the females (whalefishes) were all the same genus (Cetomimidae). (http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/5/2/235.short) Pic related.

>>39759962
I can't remember why /tg/ hates them.

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>>39758595
I never thought this picture would be relevant to anything.

>>39759997
Because taters are not native to Europe, and thus to autists have no place in medieval fantasy. Also there was something about the caloric power of taters being a huge game changer is economics, infrastructure, and agriculture allowing for larger population size and faster development.

Also, according to autist, if you aren't playing in super accurate yuropoor medieval fantasy, then you are horrible for liking "shitty speshul snowflake settings" and that not wanting to play boring vanilla adventures means you're a furfag who should quit games forever.

>>39759742
It happens to be a species of bird. The Eclectus parrot, which has well-camouflaged males and bright red females. Alright, they're not expected to make status displays with transportation, etc.

Male bower birds, however, are expected to make status displays with their accommodation.

>>39760162
Those parrots are the only sane creatures aside from humans, then. Yes.

And yeah, try to disregard waiters and waitresses get banged more often than doctors.

#rekt.

>>39758815
your trying to put human standards of masculinity onto non humans

sort of like the people who say bearded dwarf females are silly are trying to put human standards of femininity onto non humans

>>39760285
Dwarves are just short stocky bearded humans, of course!

And I'm not trying, I'm doing a damn fine job.

>>39758595
In nature, the females of a species are often much larger than the males. Males are also usually the more visually-striking, since they need to impress the females, and not the other way around.

>>39758595
you could go with social roles, like with lions; females are stealthy hunters, males are belligerent warriors.

>>39760248
Actually, if you want to put it like that, humans and bower birds are insane, as they're basing their mating decisions not on genetic robustness but on possessions, which are a terrible thing to base mating decisions on. After all, the classic example is the inbred toff with a harelip.

Also. Compare the relative numbers of waiters and waitresses in the world to the number of doctors in the world. Is the distinction one of frequency of sex on a per individual basis, or one of frequency of sex on a per job basis. Because if it's the latter, you're making a fundamental error.

>>39760417
I dunno, humans tend to be capable of higher thought than most animals on the planet, it would seem to me that we'd be best at what is determined as insane or strange.

Not even, waitresses and waiters have more sex because of the simple fact they are more approachable and less likely to be in a relationship, or have a stable one.

While I wont dispute more doctors are married, the fact of the matter is that waiters and waitresses are far more likely to have sex, especially with multiple partners.

>>39759628
Not that anon but while asari are definitely very human in shape, a more subtle 'smoothing' of features could be occuring, so asari look more scaled to turians and more amphibious to salarians and more smooth to humans

>>39759136
A very handy thing to do is to look at the environments you actually have in your game, grab an Earth animal that very much does not belong there, and jiggle it around evolutionarily until it does. Whatever's there now, you slap a big ol' brain into and keep their super weird thought patterns and emotions, but complicated into cultural structures.

Nothing says alien like the arctic fuzztopi and their suicidal mothers.

>>39760462
It's pretty much impossible to know what exactly a human in the wild finds attractive. We're too disassociated from much of our instinct. I would guess, rather unfavorably, that we share a lot with other great apes and we're just violent rapists that hump whatever we can force to be available. Even one after another. Sometimes corpses, because gotta get your rocks off somehow, right?

Fucking shittyass primates.

>>39760590
>tfw you described humans in D&D

Well then.

>>39759628
It could be that it's not a constant biotic effect, but a latent memetic one. The idea is implanted that asari = attractive in anyone who meets an asari for the first time in person, and the victim's own anthropomorphic (or whatever you'd call it if you were a pseudobird with birthing hips and a cleft jaw) subconscious algorithms do the rest whenever they see depictions of asari in the future. To prove this theory, we'd have to have a person that never met an asari, or met anyone who met an asari, and show them a statue or photo of an asari.

>>39759237
Okay whoa back up. What fucking animal has a chromosome SPECTRUM?

>>39760717
There's an organism which has seven sexual genes. It assigns its sex by randomly deleting genes until it ends up with two sexual genes left.

>>39760717
The tumblrina

>>39760892
Sorry, I got it wrong, it has seven sexes. Each of which can reproduce with any other, but not its own.

http://www.nature.com/news/how-a-microbe-chooses-among-seven-sexes-1.12684

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>>39760314
Lolidorf best dorf.

>>39760975
nigga wut?

Get that shit outta here, what are you, some sorta faggot?

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>>39761004
Yup.

>>39761026
I dont see sharks or tits. Very much displeased.

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>>39761026
Oh god my fucking eyes!

Why the shit is that a thing!?

God DAMMIT!

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>>39761026
>>39760975
1. Those look more like halflibgs, being entirely too elfin featured for dwarves
2. That isn't loli, their sexual characteristics are notable and legitimately sizednfor them. Tldr I see boob,.not loli.
3. Loli dwarf a shit

>>39761052
She has a bullete under her skirt

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>>39760929

>>39761099
Loli expert in the thread, I see.

>>39760892
>>39760929
>woj is pre-emptively proven wrong by actual science
>decides to post its ridicule anyway
That went as expected.

>>39758595
Dudes are usually more flamboyant than dames in the animal kingdom, so just go with that.

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>>39758595
You could go the Angler Fish route where the males attach themselves to the females and essentially live as a parasite.

>>39761155
I could, but I don't want the females of the race walking around with several pair of testicles attached to their body. I rather go with breasts then.

>>39761186
So they only attach to the chest, big deal. Here's a scifi story with a similar premise, only the subjects are far-future humans.

http://www.strangehorizons.com/2014/20140331/2littlefaces-f.shtml
or if you prefer audio
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2014/20140331/xpodcast-f.shtml

I point it out because a lot of its imagery stuck with me. The best DMs steal wildly, OP. Remember that. Lots of alien context and familiar motivations and politics. Lots of really cool biotech, too.

>>39761118
Yes. Furthermore, because their breats aren't exaggerated, they can't be classified as oppai loli. No, those are pure non loli short stacks, aka legal loli

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>>39758692
Muh ANON!

>>39761631
Annnd abandon thread

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>>39758595
The easy answer is to give all your alien races ovipositors. I swear it hasn't been overdone

>>39761733
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDwceZ4rvfY

Why have two genders? They're fucking aliens. They could have 37, or they could have 0. Open your mind.

>>39761955
I'm pretty sure any species has at least one gender by default, so long as it reproduces.
...Shit, is that a thing?

>>39761955
>37 genders
God reproduction would be confusing for a species like that.

>>39761989
Asexual reproduction, by its very nature, does not require sex. Which means a purely asexual organism not only doesn't need sex, it is almost certainly sexless and any "sexual" characteristics it possesses are solely projected onto it by the beholder.

>>39762100
I'm trying to envision how such a system could arise in the first place, and the only explanation I can think of is 'bored genetic engineers'.

>>39762156
It would be incredibly innefficient too.

To make children would require all 37 partners to participate in whatever capacity their reproductive organs required which would make it either a very long or very crowded and disgusting process.

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>>39761989 >>39761955
Part 1 of 3

In Star Trek, Andorians have four genders. As I understand it, and with admittedly a tiny amount of personal headcanon in order to try and make it make sense, it works like this:

- Before puberty, all Andorian children have fairly underdeveloped genetalia, such that unless you know exactly what you're looking for and are a doctor and/or a pedophile, you won't be able to tell the difference between the four genders. Once puberty hits the genetalia start developing.

- Two of the genders, chaan and thaan, are basically male. They have penises. Each one contributes one-quarter of the genetic material to a child.

- The third gender is called the shen. Shen contribute half of the genetic material to a child. They receive sperm from chaan and thaan, which fertilizes the eggs they carry. The shen then carries the eggs for three months - generally about three to six eggs which grow to be golfball-sized. The shen also has an ovipositor.

- The final gender is the zhen. The zhen contributes no genetic material to the Andorian fetuses; however, the zhen possesses a pouch within which the eggs incubate to maturity for another three months (a total of about six months of gestation). The pouch is very small when not carrying any eggs but once deposited by a shen it grows to be fairly large in size.

- Once the eggs hatch the baby Andorians, which are much smaller than human babies, remain in the zhen's pouch for some months, suckling on internal teats for milk. Eventually they grow too large and leave the pouch, which once empty will largely slough off extra mass over the course of a few days.

Now, all of the above is canon, or at least it's the information consistently presented in the novel series. Anyway, an obvious question arises: why the HELL would any species evolve like this? Well, stay tuned, 'cause in my next post I'll over-analyze the situation to try and justify it.

>>39762243
Oh good. We started with shark tits and now we have actually fucking trekkies in here.

Oh well. Carry on anon.

>>39758860
Scientifically speaking: yes.
Tumblr speaking: OMG YOU CISHET SHITLORD,GENDER IS FLUID BUT DOESNT EXIST BUT YOU ALSO NEED TO RESPECT THE ONE I TOTALLY DIDNT JUST MAKE UP SOMY FOLLOWERS CAN FAWN OVER ME

>>39758996
Remember kiddies, not matter how successful your sex change operation went, you will always have the chromosomes you were born with.
You can never escape your true gender.

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>>39762243
Part 2 of 3

First, an explanation for why we have this at all. It is this: Data once said that Andorian weddings involve four partners. That's it. Prior to that Andorians had two genders like most folk in Trek, but then Data just had to make an offhand comment in one episode and someone started thinking up four genders and shit. This is the headcanon but where I try to make sense of it all.

First, what do we know about Andorians, biologically, and about Andor, their homeworld? Thanks to Star Trek: Enterprise, we actually know a decent amount now.

- Andorians have faster metabolisms than humans. This means that they're faster, stronger, and tougher in short bursts, but over time will tire out when compared to a human.

- Andorians can stand EXTREME temperature differences. Andor is an icy, frozen would where -50 C is considered to be mere "bracing;" however at the same time we know that Andorians can survive three or more days in temperatures near the boiling point of water and only lose 10% of their body weight as a result of that. Bad, but the same situation would kill a human in minutes.

- Andorian veins are buried and protected such that an intravenous injection is impossible; if you want to inject them with something you have to do it via their muscles.

- Andor isn't a planet that orbits a star. It's a moon orbiting a gas giant orbiting a star. Large gas giants, like Jupiter, put out large amounts of radiation.

- Furthermore, the orbital mechanics of Andor would mean that, under normal circumstances, it could spend days at a time in the gas giant's "shadow", unable to receive any sunlight - and, conversely, spend days of its time in near-perpetual sunlight, thanks to being positioned between the sun and the gas giant and the light reflecting off the gas giant being much brighter than the light that reflects off of our moon.

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>>39758595
I advise blatant theft.

>>39762389
That last point makes sense of the fact that they can stand extremes of temperature - if they couldn't, the entire species would die off every time the conditions changed.

>>39762243
Part 3 of 3.

- Finally, we know that Andorians have four genders, three of which contribute genetically. The only reason to have more than one gender is to promote genetic diversity; it follows, then, that the reason to have three genders is because a higher amount of genetic diversity is more rewarding in the environment of Andor.

What I take from all of this information is the following:

The moon and the gas giant of Andor was not always glaciated; in point of fact, I think that there was a large part of its history where the temprature could vary wildly on a season to season basis: winters that could reach -100 C or lower; summers that could 70 C or higher. At the same time, intense radiation from the gas giant that Andor orbited meant that any life that did evolve had to be hardy and, more to the point, have a way to correct the flaws that radiation would cause in their genetic code. Finally, this is an environment that rewards adaptability to changing conditions, and as adaptable as a single creature might be, a pack of creatures, each fulfilling some kind of role, is going to be more adaptable.

Hence, three gamete-producing genders, two of which contribute only a small amount of genetic material. Rather than combining together as on Earth, the shen provides a sort of "master copy" that the chaan and thaan sperm checks and corrects any flaws caused by radiation in, in before combining with the shen DNA which then proceeds to do likewise. The final gender, meanwhile, evolved as a sort of nursemaid, who's sole job from a biological standpoint is to ensure that, having created new Andorians, the new Andorians survive - while the chaan, thaan, and shen are all much more adapted towards fighting and protecting the shen.

...

...oh, also the novels go into some kind of telepathic stuff and how a quad that's joined if one member dies the rest die from sadness and stuff, but I ignore that.

>>39758595
> Sexual dimorphism
> tits
Step it up OP. That phenotype is present in just one of five groups of vertebrates. Other traits could include, but are not limited to... Skin/hair/feather Colours, muscle mass, facial hair/mane, facial structure, or just being generally huge (think male/female black widow size difference)

Also, think environmental traits. Does this alien society favour one gender over the other for certain roles? If the soldiers/hunters/fighty people are all one gender, make scarring more common for that gender.

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>>39762539
Crap I forgot my Andorian pic.

>>39762543
Diet is another interesting idea from a dimorphic viewpoint.

Humans have this bizarre idea that all mosquitos drink blood. They don't. It's only the females that drink blood, because they need the high protein content to lay eggs. The males consume the juices of fruits.
Similarly, I would not be surprised if at least one egg-laying alien species has a much higher protein requirement for the egg-layer of the species, so that the diet varies between the sexes - the egg-layer is a carnivorous hunter, while the sperm-donor is either an omnivorous scavenger-come-grazer/browser or a straight up herbivore.

>>39760114

That threas started with potatoes, continued with feudal economy, then went to pasta.

and it was good.

>>39762653
Screen cap or link to archived thread?

>>39760975
>>39761026
>Female dwarf
>no beard
disgusting

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>>39758595

>>39761631
Why do you have to ruin everything, what do you gain from this?

>>39764518
Its underneath the skirt.

>>39758595
Go pick up a biology textbook Op and learn about our glorious fucked up animal kingdoms ways to get boned.

>>39758690
>Females of any species tend to have wider hips than the males.
Das more of a human thing.

Make aliens that push babies out their backs. Or puke babies. Or critters that go for external fertilization, like salmon do.

>>39760965
Looks like hairy balls.

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>>39758595
>I can't figure out a way to distinguish the males vs the females in my new setting without slapping on a pair of tits to the chest.

How about hourglass figure?

>>39761493
Hold on wasn't "legal loli" that thing with 100+ year old immortal stuck in loli body but thus being over age of consent?

>>39762100
Every pair of numbers gives birth only to a specific other number
I.e. 3+24=7, 3+7=21, 7+24=13 etc
And that's if you go with simplest two-person reproduction. What if there are four? What if it's anywhere from one to five, and even when you are reproducing on your own the offspring is not the same sex as you are due to randomised shuffling?

Possibilities are endless?

Can even have fun with previously being more genders but they all died out. (i.e. the matrix had a codependency loop in which #X was required to make #Y and it in turn made #Z and Z was needed for X, and then the population of those decreased until they couldn't be viable in the cycle)

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>>39758690
>Females of any species tend to have wider hips than the males

Nope, only matters for species with large brains in their heads, and those large heads are protected by a hard endoskeleton - egg layers wouldn't give a shit, anything like a squid that can squeeze through tight spaces easily wouldn't give a shit. Same with anything that has a distributed neural architecture.

So basically I'm saying make them all like this headless check 'em guy, that way they can have titty eyes and shoulder catears for that extra touch of classiness.

>>39765342

Sounds a lot like the aboriginal kinship groupings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_kinship

>>39765497
Yeah except they also all have divergent sexual organs on both providing and receiving ends with some limited cross-compatibility.

>>39765608

So you're saying chesticules could be a legitimate thing?

>>39766351
Any fucking thing. Run wild.

>>39765445
>egg layers wouldn't give a shit
Why wouldn't they, aren't eggs pretty big themselves?

>>39758595
>I can't figure out a way to distinguish the males vs the females in my new setting without slapping on a pair of tits to the chest
Follow examples in nature guy.
Avians have different feather colors; males are bright and colorful, females are dull colors.
Make the males and females different sizes as adults.
Shit, is it so damn hard?

>>39760114
Let me guess, you were the OP who got BTFO by 'autists' over his horrible idea?

>>39758595

Here's what I do:
1. Pick a species that already exists on earth.
2. Construct a coherent theory as to why and how sapience evolved for humans
3. Apply these pressures to this species
4. Keep old sexual dimorphism with slight modifications for anything necessary to your theory

>>39767399
>tfw I did this with avians as an idea for a sci-fi story I wanted to write
>tfw I was very proud of the work I put into it as a way of studying for classes in college by putting the knowledge to use
>tfw I still haven't and probably never will write that story because I'm convinced nobody would ever read it

>>39758595
>alien species
>Males and females

At that point just go for blue-skinned aliens with rubber foreheads that don't know what clothing is. If you still want to go that way, why don't you, i don't know, have a look at birds, turtles, fish, or pretty much each and every damn animal species out there that is not mammalian (and most mammalians don't have prominent tits either, for that matter)

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Y'all can take your tits (or lack thereof) and shove them up your collective asses

>>39758595
Size, sexual appendages, facial and communicative features, secondary sexual characteristics.

Write the "average" down for the race then push it in random directions.

Example; sexual dimorphism in my arachnoid race is that the females are significantly taller, and have simpler, more muted color schemes. Since the males have to display for mates, they tend towards brighter, more interesting patterns, but they are smaller in stature.

>>39768787
But anon, didn't you read OP's post? The only way to tell if someone is a female is if they have tits or not.
Source: Furries.

>>39758595
>Literal shark tits.
Topest of keks

>>39764979
>Make aliens that push babies out their backs.
The Okampa should have never existed. Neither should the Kazon.
Voyager before Seven of Nine and the Doctor started palling around was truly the worst.

>>39758815
>ay gurls, look at me flashing my plumage and making a target of myself
>notice how I'm still not getting eaten by predators
>please fuck me
Fixed

>>39758619
>>39758645
It's a joke image, you autists.

>>39759527
>Actually, the word gender has always referred to the psychological counterpart to physical sex.
Nope. It used to refer only to grammar and gendered words, as in "el" and "la" in spanish.

>>39761155
>live
Is that what you call it?

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>>39758815
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wodaabe

>>39759069
>other species wouldn't be able to tell the genders apart without asking which could make for an interesting society
With sharks, this is interesting. With dwarves, it's somehow stupid and wrong.

I know /tg/ is more than one person, but I also know this comment will hit home with *someone*.

>>39759302
It's the one word where they *should* have made something up, because it's the only concept they talk about that's actually real.

>>39759302
>but don't people get mad when they DO make up words?
I get mad when they say they want to normalise their personal pronouns, but then spell them with Xs and Zs, the edgiest letters in the alphabet.

OP here. Did not expect this thread to become so popular. I am mildly pleased.

>>39768911
It's not that. Its more how a sentient species would evolve with two genders and physically and culturally approach the two gender problems. It seems like humans are a very strange case when it comes to this in the animal kingdom.

I eventually decided making the females physically taller and more dominant in the culture, while the males are purposed in a more labor and warrior role for their queen sharks. Those who succeed in their endeavours are granted a private "ceremony" with their rules.

Also what is with this captcha. I cant even tell what is bread in these pictures.

>>39758692
>Not wanting to slap everything's tits

>>39769645
Dwarves are easy.

Just make the males short, angry beards and make the females short, angry beards with braids

>>39771795
I prefer the dwarves are males and elves are females of the same species.
"male" elves just have a pseudopenis

>>39769726
English language should eliminate he and she and start using it for humans.

>>39771872
It is impersonal and objectifying in a literal sense, you know, "it puts the lotion on its skin"

>>39769726
Every time someone says "xer" a baby dies of SIDS

>>39771872
I prefer the singular they, personally.

>>39771915
Now I want to make an antagonistic alien race called the Xer who are all hermaphroditic zealots and see all others who disagree with them as evil, even though they perform the same acts they decry in others.

>>39771898
Which is precisely why I call anyone who insists on a different pronoun "it".

>>39771898
If it is good enough for animals and things then it is good enough for you and me. Plus it promotes non-anthrocentric worldview where all things on Earth, living or non-living are equal to each other and exist in harmony.

>>39772194
Is this serious? Is this just bait? Is this the real life?

>>39772351
50/50

>Look through the whole thread
>not a single good shark-girl picture
What the hell /tg/?

>>39772194
>If it is good enough for animals
But it isn't.
Who's a good girl? My dog is. Yes she is.

>>39772791
We're having an actual discussion instead of posting shitty furry fapbait.

>>39769726
>>39771915
We can all learn from Kryten for those shitfuck "Imuh spushul snowflake xer xer zhi" pronouns.

EVERY. SINGLE. ONE should be pronounced
>DJUUUUUUU HEEEEEEEE

a very similar pronounciation (but "smuu" instead of "dju") can be heard here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKlC8ph7mM

By loudly pronouncing (preferably face to face with the asshole who wrote such pronouns) them always in this fashion, we can alleviate some of the stupid involved in just being in the same room as those cockmongling retards

>>39759527
Fun fact: the notion of gender being 100% cultural and arbitrary has little supporting evidence beyond parroting one doctor, who was incidentally a child molester, mainly based on studying a man who was mutilated at birth and ended up committing suicide.
I hope I get around to finding a citation for this bold claim, just wait.

>>39773325
Hold on. Does Kryten's programming stop him insulting people or just swearing? Because if the latter, then there are all kinds of things you can say to insult people without swearing.

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>>39772806
>mfw my dog died last autumn

>>39771838
I thought female dwarves were also called 'anvils'

>>39774099
I buried both of mine within the last year or so.
It really sucks.

>>39773797
Insulting people

>>39773797
It's not his programming per-se, he's actually got a 'guilt chip', which is (in-universe) the only thing preventing all the sentient mechanoids from murdering all the humans and building themselves a paradise.

He can't harm or disrespect people - even dead people - directly.

>>39774269
He'd hit it like a blacksmith's hammer all day long.

>>39774459
A dwarven blacksmith is just a married dwarf.

>>39772194
>Plus it promotes non-anthrocentric worldview
You can fuck right off and kill yourself, you fucking shit-for-brains hippy.

>>39758595
Depends on what functionality they would play in caring for offspring. Breasts, udders, etc. are for feeding a child milk. Human females also have wider hips to accomodate for childbirth. I once made a tree-dwelling race where the females were built to take hits and stay in the same spot on a tree for long periods of time, while the males were built to move quickly between home and other resources while avoiding predators.

>Females: build body fat quickly because they need the excess material to care for offspring and they may go long periods without the males bringing them food. Their stationary nature clinging to the trees gives them sharp claws and a death grip, and females without child can drop onto the backs of predators and cling with great force until one of them dies. Females start off the same size as males but grow to be 4 times larger by adulthood.

>Males: are lithe and nimble for dancing amongst the treetops and branches to gather edibles. They have incredible reflexes to react to threats, and their bodies are small and flexible enough to fit in tight hiding spots. They are likely to die with one hit, but nobody is likely to make said hit.

Base all sexual dimorphism on the way they reproduce and raise offspring.

>>39771898
Man I just want gender neutral pronouns like if you are talking about walking talking plants then such pronouns would be very useful

>>39776976
Well some plants are hermaphroditic and some aren't, so they'll still be useful

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Someone said sharks

>>39776159
>and females without child can drop onto the backs of predators and cling with great force until one of them dies
So you made dropbears?

>>39761186
Could always have the assimilation be complete

>>39765261
>How about hourglass figure?
Yeah, I'd advise this, doesn't have to have tits, just something that hits the hourglass shape and it gets associated with female

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>inspired by the proceedings of this thread
>to the tune of the Ducktales theme.

Life is such a hubbaloo
Here in /tg/
Xenos, Story time, Paladins too,
It's a frenzy

There's System Mastery,
And we discuss history.

Sharktit, Awoohoo!
Monstergirs we wanna be mating
Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Tales of Adventering and Worlbduilding.
Sharktits!

Newfags and Normies should try to lurk moar,
This is the board that we all adore!
While we spin tales of fighting alongside

Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Applied Economics in fantasy threads.
Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Just don't mention potatoes, or you'll be dead.
Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Making lewd ideas serious, or the inverse instead.
Sharktits, Awoohoo

>>39777192
Kinda. The females are basically the same as males until they get older, at which point they stop moving and grow 4-5 times bigger. Koalas climb around and shit, I think.

>>39777603

I...

I think I just gained 25 temporary hit points.

>>39758595
maybe try looking at animals other than humans and applying the dimorphism they have, however major or minor. you have to consider the ecological niche they fill and the rolls of the different sexes if there are any

>>39758850
>>39758778
why not just look at irl sharks/frogs or whatever and apply that?

>>39773325
>By being the entire problem, we can solve the imaginary problem caused by my edgy self-offendedness.
A better suggestion would be to stop making a conscious effort to be offended by new ideas.

>>39776976
But discussing gender issues is Social Justice, and that means that even thinking of it is a war crime, and you're automatically a hypocrite even if you aren't.

>>39764608
SHARK TITS

>>39778840
A-WOO-OOH

>>39758595
Make it clear that there is a difference without providing visual clues to the uninformed which is which. For instance, an insect race called the Sovarth I've been using for a while; the soldiers are sexually immature males. They range from 5'6 to 6'4 on average, have a bit of chitinous armor, and are fairly androgynous by human standards (not pretty, but their body structure is best described as a runners build). The queens are female, about 7'9 to 8'6, and look like The Overlord decided he really liked Xenomorphs.

The drones are sexless worker units that rely on a natural ansible communication with soldiers and queens in order to do anything more complex than breathing (part of the reason the soldiers and queens split during their evolution was so the Queen of the hive wouldn't have to stand around ordering the drones to keep themselves fed).

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As an old evofag, this thread makes me happy.

>>39758595
I see that more than a few people mentioned embellishing the males of the species. Aside from colors and plumage, crests and horns are options.
Another thing that could work is something like the development of limbs. A species could have wings or some other thing, but in one sex they are underdeveloped and vestigial.
Or you can be little subtle with your dimorphism, where it can sometimes be missed with just a quick glance.

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>>39781774
That's a pretty neat picture. Got any more like it? Have a Birrin in return.

>>39781774
Or just make the females twice the size of males.

>>39773786
Nobody is parroting that guy, everybody is based on how his experiment failed catastrophically.
He attempted to force female gender role on a person with male brain chemistry. Which fucked him up.
Thus the conclusion is that people should live a gender role according to what their brain chem says, rather than by state of their genitals.

It's also all in regular doctor principles. Disparity between what the brain says the gender should be and the state of the body is a disorder that negatively impacts life. The brain can't be changed, thus the least harm solution is to change the body and accompanying outer accessories.

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>>39777603
Beautiful.

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>>39782159
Or that. That works too.

>>39781857
Tons. They're from old evolution games. You can find them on suptg and 1d4chan. I'm just posting a couple that showcase dimorphism.

>>39782629
Yo, I'm pretty lost in all of these evo games, and would love to know which of those threads specifically had those style of art. I think i've seen it before.

>>39782629
You know that in most animals the female is the larger and the male is the smaller?

>>39783229
Primordial, look it up at suptg or 1d4.

>>39783254
That particular Species lived in pseudo lion like family groups, with a single dominant male, and numerous females. Later in their evolution, as their social structures became more complex, another type of male form started to emerge, one that resembled females/juvenile males, and was able to exist in the social hierarchy of the species as submissive males, under the rule of the still largely singular dominant ones.

>>39777603
/k/ here, fucking hell /tg/ gets shit done.

>>39771838
This has been my favorite dwarf/elf relation for a long time now. It is just so perfect

..plus Gimli and Legolas finally make sense

>>39777603
Good first effort, get better at counting syllables
"D-d-d-danger lurks behind you" has 9 syllables. "Newfags and normies should try to lurk moar" has 10.
Change it to "Newfags and normies need to lurk moar"

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>>39783600
Oh primordial, how I wish I still had the passion I had towards that little project.

>>39759136
wood berry
>;_;

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>>39786230
Yeah, but let's not derail this too much more. Although there's a cool bit of hypothetical biology. Genderless race. Their bodies are actually colonies of microscopic jellyfish-like organisms.

And here are some moose.

>>39777603
It's been 'bout an hour-ish
Here in /tg/
Time to roll a new fetish
It's a frenzy

There's System Mast'ry
Discourse of history

Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Monstergirls and elves and Nurglings
Sharktits, Awoohoo!
Adventuring and worldbuilding
Sharktits!

Newfags and normies need to lurk moar
With this blue board, you won't need more
Now let's roll up brand new stats for

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Commissars and Stat-me threads and
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Potatoes aren't Yuro natives
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Lewd or serious, it's all good
Sharktits, Awoohoo!

New version, now with correct syllable count so you can actually sing along

>>39786530
>Their bodies are actually colonies of microscopic jellyfish-like organisms.
Or going further perhaps the race functions like the Portuguese man o' war - a colony of co-living different species. And for that bit of alien confusion, the closest linguistical analogue to how they refer to each individual species composing them is genders. So race is "all genders in one".

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>>39786530
>>39786584

The polyps themselves, that form the overall body of this particular species, actually possess a gender early in their development, and they reproduce sexually during the "embryo" phase of the puruu's development, where the initial foundations of the overall colony that will become the body of the individual puruu, is formed.

The fully formed, or "adult" puruus reproduce by excreting masses of non-specialized polyps into pools of water, where, they will naturally start clustering together, and forming new "embryos" upon reaching sufficient mass. The adult puruus them will ingest those "embryos" and hold them within a specialized pouch within throat, where the embryos will fully mature into juvenile puruu colonies.
Those "embryo" masses can also be used by adult puruus to heal themselves from injuries, just by smearing such blobs upon their wounds, as the polyps within the mass will rapidly specialize according to the polyps that surround them around the injury.

>>39786575
I like it! Fuckin saved

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>>39769516

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>>39769516
>religion: islam

>>39786854

Northern and Western Africa is a pretty amazing place. They're Muslim, but there are a lot of Christians and practitioners of traditional religions, so there's a lot more blending.

Which drives groups like Al Queda and Boko Haram crazy.

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>>39786575
Original guy here. This is much better. Good Job, 10/10 would sing again.

>>39786985
You're right. But I didn't expected the muslims themselves doing that kind of stuff.

Though they seem to have more "normal" everyday clothes.

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>>39758595
>I can't figure out a way to distinguish the males vs the females in my new setting without slapping on a pair of tits to the chest. Examples are much appreciated.
A quick and easy way to incorporate gender dimorphism to a species related to their reproduction:

If the man is bigger and stronger than the woman, the species is generally polygamous.

If the man and woman are the same size, the species is generally monogamous.

If the woman is larger than the man, any sexual encounter ends badly for the man (well, more badly than usual).

Yes, this means that humans are from a purely evolutionary perspective polygamous. You still see this in the fact that men think with their dicks and that women are attracted to resources first and foremost (women can literally achieve orgasm easier with a richer man). Sorry to burst your true love bubble there.

>>39787081
>You're right. But I didn't expected the muslims themselves doing that kind of stuff.

By blending, I mean a mixture of Muslim and non-Muslim beliefs. In many situations, women don't go veiled, but men do.

Not only do people believe in intercessory spirits, they visit shrines, create talismans and invoke the aid of Muslim saints and ancestral spirits.

It's a major hub of Entertainment in Africa. Mali is well known for its pop music scene and the Nigerian film industry is the third largest behind the US and India.

But west African religion is well known for its willingness to incorporate other belief systems (see also Santeria and Vodou who are also usually practicing Christians).

>>39758693
>>39758771

>implying Eclipse Phase doesn't do this

>>39786755
Is that loincloth hiding something?

>>39758595
Look into nature. Mosquitoes, for example:
Males can't feed and they die within a day from their birth. They exist only to mate with females. Females can feed as they are expected to lay down tens of thousands of eggs before they die.

>a warrior society of insectoids where the males are born battle-ready and the most efficient warriors will mate with females. The females are huge, huge compared to males but require long time to grow and while they fight, they do so to feed (eating both living and dead foes).

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>>39758595
You can have femininity without needing tits to be involved.

>>39787245
Yep. Just look at the traps.

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>>39774099
>>39774294
>my cat died yesterday
>her sister died in november
>had the two of them as long as I've had coherent memories
>I was away at uni both times and could only watch over skype

>>39787229
>Is that loincloth hiding something?

A dick.

>>39787116
>women can literally achieve orgasm easier with a richer man)
I'd like a source on that

>>39787116
>when men are bigger, they have lots of sex with lots of different women
>when women are bigger, they kill, sometimes eat the men they have sex with
What a world

>>39758595
The simplest and most consistent sexual dimorphism is the hips/shoulder ratio. Females tend to have larger hips than shoulders while males have larger shoulders than hips. This works on most mammals and some reptiles.

>>39787311
>tfw you were the only one home so you had to take her to the vet, put her down, dig the grave and bury her all on your own
It's a real fuckin abstract kind of hell.

>>39787337
http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/study-rich-men-give-women-more-orgasms?IR=T

Here you go.

>>39787363
Looks like women are the shitty half of the species across the board.

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>>39787116
>Sorry to burst your true love bubble there.
>Posts picture from romantic story filled with true love
I'm not sure I understand you anon. Sure, the evolutionar stuff you said is pretty true, but the last part seems contradictory to your picture. Plus I'd like a citation on that Orgasm thing as well as a reminder that physical lust and desire is not the same as love.

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>>39787393
>Posts picture from romantic story filled with true love
Story! As in a fictional account that only exists within our minds. Why do you think so many people prefer waifus over real women?

As for the source, it's in the post directly above yours.

>>39787411
>Why do you think so many people prefer waifus over real women?
Because people can't into people.

>>39787411
> Why do you think so many people prefer waifus over real women?
Because they can't get real women on account fo being weak, stupid, uncharming, ugly and poor.

>>39787428
>Because people can't into people.
Making male friends and earning some hoe's loyalty >implying hoes are loyal are worlds apart.

>>39787440
Other than ugly, women share all those traits with men who can't get laid, except they still get laid.

Also
>weak
>uncharming
>ugly
>poor
Glad to see that men are the superficial gender while women are deep and complex. Oh, wait, that's not true at all. Not even close.

>>39787390
You didn't even bother looking at the original study, did you? It's a total sham.

>>39787462
Oh, like you'd waste your time with an ugly uncharming woman either. Everyone wants an attractive mate, and everyone is shallow in the preliminary stages of attraction. Deal with it.

>>39787390
>>39787411
>>39787462

>http://www.businessinsider.com/2009/1/study-rich-men-give-women-more-orgasms?IR=T
I doubt the validity of this source very much, especially since said source lacks any decent data, is very vague about their experimental methods, and the fact that only 20% of the women in said study correlated with the hypothesis.

Also your ending comment sounds very pigheaded and ignorant. In my experience Women and Men tend to improve eachpther immensely unless one or both of them are asshats.

Socrates would argue against your claims. You just sound like a lonely, bitter, and pathetic fool who has given up on seeking happiness and love in life.

I want /pol9k/ to leave.

>>39787466
http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138%2809%2900064-6/fulltext

I doublechecked it and it turns out that while there was indeed such a study, the authors themselves applied a correction. Still, that does not change the nature of hypergamy in human females.

>In my experience Women and Men tend to improve eachpther immensely unless one or both of them are asshats.
I'd like to know what planet you live on and how I get there.

>You just sound like a lonely, bitter, and pathetic fool who has given up on seeking happiness and love in life.
Let's assume I am for the sake of argument, can you prove me wrong?

>In b4 "herf derf the source for your off-hand comment was proven wrong"
Fair enough, let's have some sources for my main argument then.

http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

http://psr.sagepub.com/content/8/4/339.abstract

Especially the second one is important, as it argues precisely what I argued for: that heterosexual human relationships are little more than the exchange of sex (female) for resources (male).

>>39787562
>I'd like to know what planet you live on and how I get there
Have you really never been in a meaningful relationship? Because if you're in a good one, both of you try to help each other improve by helping through rough times, supporting each other making improvements to their lives, and encouraging them to do things that would make them happier when the chance comes up.

And yeah, that study is a fucking farce.
>Survey 5000 people
>Less than 2000 of them were women in relationships with men
>Still used as a basis for the study
Total fucking bullshit.

>>39787626
And that was in China, too. A sample size of 5000 in overpopulated, bureaucratic China is
f u c k i n g
n o t h i n g

This guy's butthurt is leading him to echo chambers and ignorance.

>>39787626
>>39787696
>Butthurt
Nice

http://search.bwh.harvard.edu/concourse/900/articles/BaumeisterSexEcon.pdf
Here's the full PDF and I don't see the problem. It cites numerous other surveys and articles. I don't see where you get that Chi-...

...oh, wait. Wait.
Are you correcting me on the study I already corrected myself on? Bra-fucking-vo. It's like you're not even trying to argue but desperately trying to defend your predetermined world view... by undermining the source of an off handed reference... with no real bearing on the main argument... that I already refuted myself... in the very post you're replying to.

10/10

>>39787871
Son, you just posted an article talking about how Sex is something women use as a "good" for men to "buy". Not a study about women orgasming more with rich guys, not a study about orgasm at fucking all. Even if it did cover one of those studies, it didn't go into depth about it, it used bits that support sex being something women have as currency.

And even if you do use it as evidence, it constantly states "this is just a theory, this is just a theory, this is only a theory and not fact".

Try again.

Go read the sword of the stars wiki. All of those races have something bizarre going on with sexual dimorphism.

>>39788000
>Son, you just posted an article talking about how Sex is something women use as a "good" for men to "buy".
Did you not read the part where I moved away from the offhand mention and moved towards the main argument (that being hypergamy) or are you being wilfully ignorant?

>>39788157
Your original argument was "women orgasm more with rich guys".

But regardless, if your argument is hypergamy, that article still doesn't give you a leg to stand on, again by the virtue of stating "this is only a theory" and that theory is that sex is used by women as a currency for men. It is not about marrying up the ladder, or hypergamy.

Make the males more flashy, or make the females larger and physically stronger.

Or have hermaphrodites. Or not have sexes at all.

>>39788264
>Your original argument was "women orgasm more with rich guys".
On what planet do people put their main argument between parentheses?

>>39760717
Drosophila melanogaster, iirc.

Yeah, it kind of confounds me that of all things to have as little conservation as possible between species, it's reproductive genetics.

Carbohydrate metabolism? There's one pathway. Photosynthesis? Like, three or four, and even then there's little variation. Reproduction?

Complete.

Fucking.

Insanity.

Seriously, after studying genetics the stupid shit tumblr believes is minor compared to how balls out nuts nature already went.

>>39788448
Friggen fruit flies man. Its like nature intended them to be genetic experimental and research fodder

>>39758753
>goatpeople
>males are shorter and more muscular, females taller and lither
Almost like Eredar from WoW, but I think males are also taller.

>>39788081
The Liir are particularly notable in that they have no sexual dimorphism, because they are all hermaphrodites.

>>39788081
>mfw hivers get drunk off cheese
Such a good setting, why they have to ruin it with SotS2

>>39758753
The lizardfolk I came up with in my setting are either desert or jungle dwellers, and have tan or green scales respectively. They all habitually go shirtless because the lizardgirls have no breasts to cover, and so they can soak up more sunlight. Men are taller, have wider shoulders, and have a colorful crest around their necks that they fan out in order to attract mates, while the women have wide hips to facilitate egg laying.

Their version of pregnancy involves creating a special egg pouch, typically made out of leather or cloth, in which the mother carries around her egg to protect it and keep it warm while she goes about her duties. Egg pouches are often given colorful, ornate decorations to attract the attention of benevolent spirits that would bless the hatchling(s). Theft or destruction of an egg pouch is considered a capital offense in lizardfolk society.

>>39788760
Hivers also go after women first, regardless of the race they're fighting with, because their instincts tell them to go after a Queen.

>>39758815
that text combined with riley wearing a fluffy, white coat and a fat, silver ring might be the most perfect thing I've seen today

>>39758684
Making one sex brightly colored and the other bland is common in nature as it generally tends to determine which sex is trying to attract the other.

Also, you could have a third gender that is required for breeding. Maybe all these aliens go through that phase or something.

These things would influence their society, of course.

>>39788760
SotS2 didn't ruin it.
SotS2 was ruined. But I'm told they're slowly salvaging it. Be ready by the time I get a new computer for it, I expect.

>>39760658
That's nonsense that would require the Asari to enter in contact with other species during their evolution.

>>39788596
Yeah, they are. Those guys are freaking HUGE.

>>39788354
On planet /pol/tard, where evidence is slapped together to conform to your pre-existing worldview of victimhood, instead of new evidence changing your viewpoint and opinions. In this dark and sticky place, there is no formality to argument, no sensibility, no structure of any kind. There is only bitching, and he who shouts longest, wins.

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>>39792573
Ha Ha...Girth

>>39788448
Jesus fucking christ, there is a god damn TABLE for fruit fly sexes why the hell wasn't this in the introductory books? This seems, I don't know, NOTABLE.

>>39792641
If wow didn't lack collision between players, you'd never be able to get anywhere due to HUGE BLUE BODYBUILDERS BLOCKING EVERYTHING

>>39791567
Nah. Weirder things have happened by complete accident and been carried over on genomes due to adjacency to really useful things until suddenly it was around in a context that it actually did something helpful.

Like smell.