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>>39715351
Date: Early evening on February 25th, 1955PC

You’d rather enjoyed to afternoon with Sarah, even though you hadn’t been able to take her into the city as you would in normal times. Now you busied yourself with playing with her hair while she lay in your lap, thinking far harder than somebody usually does when lying in bed with their lover.

“I worry about my position as archduchess,” Sarah admits when you question her.

“Really? Are you afraid that Tabeth or Spoker is going to unseat you?” you ask, far too much amusement leaking into your voice for her to possibly take you seriously.

“Not that sort of worry,” she says, batting playfully at one of your hands behind her head. She’d been growing her silver hair out lately and it had reached a decent length, long enough for you to hide your hands behind her back where she couldn’t reach them right now.

“I’m worried about how to divide up my work. There’s only so much I really do in Vitria, the rest is here,” she continues, giving you an odd look as you start bundling up her hair. “Given the results for Vitria, nobody can really complain about my work…”

An unspoken ‘yet’ lingers in the air and you feel the need to address it. You say, “Then let them complain when they do. Vitria only has its power and independence because of your efforts and the position symbolises that as much as your efforts, Sarah. You should worry more about how long you can maintain the position for.”

>continued

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>>39715367
“This is about my magic studies, isn’t it?” she says, pouting. “I think keeping the empire and Vitria operating at their best is more important than keeping a few wrinkles off my face.”

Given that she was only twenty-one, you doubted that wrinkles were the greatest worry of Sarah’s just yet. Though they were a worry for you. The question was: how big of a worry?

>Discussion on what you want Sarah to focus on during the timeskip (6 years)

Basically, Sarah is dedicating almost all of her time (except for a small amount of free time) to managing either TYE or Vitria. This means she’s not really progressing her magical studies, despite being a Journeyman at 18 (which was amazing). She’s got amazing magical potential and the timeskip is 6 years, plenty of time for her to develop. The downside is that the less effort spent on TYE or Vitria slows development given her brilliant management.

Question, how far off is Sarah from being able to summon Laryya's sister?

>>39715388
With no major campaigns on the horizon, we can put Phillas back into management, freeing up time for her studies.

>>39715388
Question here is, what do she wants to do? Would she find enjoyment in the management of the Empire or would she rather refine her magical abilities?

Personally I'd rather have her managing the Empire as we already have several strong characters to support us at the moment and our core territory needs to be stabilized and prepared to support the soon to be annexed Mage Guard. Ofcourse if we can pull someone else into her management position that will do a somewhat equally good job then there is always that.

>>39715388
I think I'd really rather see Sarah maintain her position as it stands, though I hate to see potential wasted, unless we can find someone else who can do what see does on an equal level I don't like pulling her from her management position.

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>>39715450
About 3-4 years of full-time study of magic in general. Less if you have her do nothing but learn better ways of channeling and managing her magical power but that would slow down any progress towards other aspects such as halting her aging process.

Obviously, if she's studying less than full-time then she'll progress more slowly.

>>39715484
Which areas are you going to pull back her management of (e.g. TYE or Vitria)? And to what extent?

>>39715516
She'd enjoy the magical studies more, given that there's much less pressure and it's something she loves. She manages because that's how she helps Talon, Vitria and the empire.

I suppose we could let her study a bit, Vitria is our economic center of the empire. But we're also getting a lot of business being self sufficent now with the canal being done, seeing as the Nobles took up on their own in that regards. At this point Sarah can let up a bit and let them go, maybe we'll see some Noble Houses realign themselves into stronger more efficient powers via related trade.

And she doesn't have to completely let up, obviously she'd either study in Vitria or in the Imperial Tower/Sister Tower, so she'll be there if stuff starts burning down.

I totally thought this was going a different direction and Sarah was concerned about not having an heir apparent.

>>39715574
>Which areas are you going to pull back her management of (e.g. TYE or Vitria)? And to what extent?
Probably the TYE more, Since Phillas can cover more of that. And maybe reduce her workload by 40%?

>>39715484
That would work quite well actually at least in Harrowmont itself, I'm sure he's done with our two Captains turned Governers. We might need a bit more of a military mind during the reconstruction and preparing for the Guard for this timeskip in particular, he would do well.

>>39715574
How about splitting it then? She can spend 3 years now managing TYE and phasing over her responsibility's on others in that time so that when 3 years have passed she can then focus 3 years on only magical studies.

We also have the princess from Farun whose name I cannot remember, since the Duchy annexed Farun into their fold it wouldn't be a bad idea to let her stretch a bit, or her brother that I assume we healed from death's doorway.

>>39715643
>>39715646

This sounds good to me.

I think pulling Phillas back and slowly having him take the workload off of Sarah so she could focus on her mage studies sounds like the best idea.

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VOTE
If Sarah cuts back, it can be assumed that Phillias will fill in for Sarah's TYE work, Annette can manage Farun and the Vitrian council governs Vitria. Phillias is probably the only one who can really match Sarah's capabilities, so the other areas will fall behind a little by comparison.

>1. Sarah dedicates herself to her studies almost completely. Will possibly make magister, cease her aging process and summon Marea (pure water elemental) at full strength (lvl 2/2).
>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.
>3. Sarah continue to manage the empire and Vitria. Economic growth and rebuilding is too important right now to sacrifice any of it.
>4. Custom

>>39715807
>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

>>39715807
>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

>>39715807
>>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.
Worth noting that if she's studying in Harrowmont, her aging will effectively halt anyway.

>>39715807
>>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

>>39715807
>>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

We've the economic gains from our new dealings with the League and soon to be Dwarves to balance this out.

>>39715807
>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her ageing. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

>>39715807
>2
Once she learns enough to stop her aging we have an immortal top-tier administrator

>>39715807
>1. Sarah dedicates herself to her studies almost completely. Will possibly make magister, cease her aging process and summon Marea (pure water elemental) at full strength (lvl 2/2).
Another pure elemental, and at maximum potenrial? yes please.

>>39715851
If by immortal you mean "Lives for 150 years" then yes. Actual immortality got rectconed for sorcerous sources. Either that or he was sloppy in explaining things/Mal was full of shit.

>>39715807
>>2. A roughly 50/50 split between studies and management. She'll be able to summon Marea (pure water elemental) and be close to halting her aging. The empire will keep its economic growth strong for the first 3 years.

>>39715591
>spoiler
Me too anon, me too. Had her pegged for the baby crazy type, especially with Mal/Neir and Vad/Nate having kids.

>>39715904
Must have missed that, my bad. 150 aint bad.

>>39715980
Yup, no Kushan's hidden apprentice for us.

>>39716000
Kushan's minions were apparently surprisingly bad on an individual level anyway.

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2 wins. Kind of surprised at the overwhelming support for it.

>>39715837
>Worth noting that if she's studying in Harrowmont, her aging will effectively halt anyway.
Only while she's in the keep. Sarah spends a lot of time outside of it normally so she won't benefit too much when she's not studying.

>>39715904
I don't remember where I stated it, but it wasn't it couched in the whole 'the average mage usually carks it around then' due to a variety of factors? I'm struggling to think of why I wouldn't have powerful mages like Mal and Alyce able to live as long as elves using similar magic.

>>39716119
>I don't remember where I stated it, but it wasn't it couched in the whole 'the average mage usually carks it around then' due to a variety of factors?
I think it was. Though let me go check. If it isn't meh, information on how long things live has been a bit contradictory anyway.

>>39716119
Hey Aspie do you have a place where you detail the units and their abilities? Meant to email you about that but I fucking forgot

>>39716195
>https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Qxe-FljPXpMTNrOWltTXlBLTQ&usp=sharing

Under the Batle Calculator section, the unit detail tab. Anything specific about a unit can be found in their research tab under the Empire Section.

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>>39716247
Thanks

So now that we have Laryya, the League has Surya, and Sarah will be getting Marae, we're definitely camping their unborn Wind sister yeah?

>>39716155
>>39716119
Found the Quote:
>Slyvian said "The dwarves only live for two centuries and mages can live for about a hundred and fifty, so they weren’t too out if place. But the elves can live for three or four centuries with the magic of the Lefir.”

>>39716312

I mean that's still only really applying on average yeah? Not she's saying, "Your best friend will be dead in a century."

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>>39716312
Yeah, that was just average lifespan. The point being that most mages cark it before they start completely losing touch with reality. Powerful mages like Alyce and Mal can keep themselves running for a good four centuries or so. Note that there does come a point where a mage effectively has to sustain their own soul, which is typically when elves stop extending lives (hence Caeminn's talk of nearing his time). There's only a couple of mages that have ever done that, however. Most never even consider it for various reasons.

>My god this took a long time to write.

>2.

“Maybe right now,” you say, after some thought. “But I do want you to be able to focus on your studies soon. In a few years I want you to be able to do something you enjoy rather than something you feel you have to.”

“Everybody does things they feel they have to, Talon,” Sarah says.

She suddenly pulls away from you, only to turn around and stare you down on the bed. Eyes meeting yours, her mind seems suddenly focused. You try to match her focus, though it’s rather hard given the situation.

“If you really want to talk about things people have to do,” Sarah starts to say, her voice sugary sweet and entailing a topic you’ve been desperately avoiding lately, “perhaps we can start with heirs.”

“Or we could not,” you say. “I don’t plan on dying anytime soon.”

“Nobody plans on it but that’s no reason to let all your work go to waste just because you refused to show some forethought,” she says.

You scowl at that, never appreciating the topic of your imminent untimely death as seen by the various women in your life. Mal understood that this was a pointless topic so why did everybody, even the elementals, feel the need to browbeat you about succession?

>cont

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>>39716460
“I could show forethought just by appointing a successor,” you point out, your finger poking into Sarah’s chest above you with the idle gesture. “Why does it need to be a child of mine?”

“Who would you appoint that wouldn’t be opposed or fought over? Assuming that they don’t perish whenever you do,” she says, frowning deeper. “Nobody would support me. Mal would have internal support from those close to you but would never make a convincing emperor. Not to mention the fact that both Gnome and Undine will depart the empire with you.”

“How will an heir? Or multiple heirs help? Won’t they fight more?” you say, pointing out the elephant in the room.

“You’d have a chance at least of one being the obvious successor. Right now Finn would probably take the reins simply because he’s the only person who could rally popular and internal support,” Sarah says. “And there’s many who would dislike an elf leading the TYE. Not to mention the foxes might have their own interests if you weren’t here.”

You frown at that, feeling you have so many topics to follow here but that they’re all a landmine of sorts. For now you…

>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.
>2. Ask about why Sarah thinks that Finn is your heir apparent currently.
>3. Question Sarah about her suspicions of the foxes.
>4. Ask nothing.
>5. Custom

Going to try to write faster. I obliquely brought up the heir issues a thread or two back but hadn't really thought about them as much as I thought I had.

>>39716472
>3
Time to evacuate this topic ASAP

>>39716472
>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.
The time nears

>>39716472
>1,2

I mean... Even if we don't have an heir for the Empire as a whole, the way the Duchy works Sarah would need an heir herself. I don't see why Talon can't provide for that.

>>39716472
>>2. Ask about why Sarah thinks that Finn is your heir apparent currently.

>>39716472
>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril

Lets see where this goes

>>39716472
>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.

>>39716472
On one hand nope... On the other... Eh.
>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.

>>39716472
>1
Peril is fun!

>the TYE
>the The York Empire

>>39716472
>>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.

>>39716535
>Peril is fun!
>Why I always play Psykers

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Well, it seems people want to walk on the biggest landmine available.

>>39716535
I've done that a few times. The acronym is kind of annoying because it's different (most are like the RSK, where there's no 'the' in it). I try to use 'the empire' in situations where it looks awkward to just insert the acronym (e.g. "An elf leading TYE" vs "An elf leading the empire.").

>we'll never play Oh God what am I Doing Quest featuring Emperor Finn

I don't care how much we crash and burn that situation sounds hysterical.

>>39716472
>1. Explore the child issue at your own peril.

>>39716460
>a good four centuries or so

In other words prepare to glue Mal to the keep centuirs down the road.

>>39716594
I won't lie, I voted for it because I'm curious about the kind of offspring Talon would produce. And because peril on par with fighting a demon prince. Mostly the peril.

>>39716656
Powerful Templars, or whatever based on the mother.

>>39716650
Well by that time we should have at least 3 PoPs bond to Talon, so he can walk around Harrowmont. My money is on him becoming our insane tower mage though.

>>39716687
Inb4 he just wants to become a simple farmer like his Grandparents and Uncle/Aunt

Ight this may be stupid but eh fuck it.

I been thinking of a new unit the Shield Sages. Essentially they'd be heavily armored soldiers with great shields that contain enchantments that allow them to project barriers. They can also lock their shields together in formations to form bigger stronger barriers.

Thoughts? I was also playing around with the thought that they'd be able to make the barriers explode outward

>>39716687
>whatever based on the mother

Hopefully this. Just because then we can do the ultimate and most clever world domination plan.

>Step 1. Talon stops taking his brew.
>Step 2. He leaves the empire in Sarah's hands.
>Step 3. He goes on vacation for 500 years with Lynn and The helldragon waifu.
>Step 4. Invade the world with armies of feldragons and helldragons.
>Step 5. ?????
>Step 6. Profit..

>>39716764
The juggernaut units would serve the same role basically. So I can't see much use.

>>39716764

Mage's already do it, and more efficently I'd imagine. Most armor is packing enough enchantment to produce a similar effect, at least HMK+.

However I could see use in small combat zones, and against enemy AA analogues on our own MMK-. I'm not sure how soon enemy SA analogues would come up, but I'd imagine soon given how powerful NK and HMK can be. So it would have so quick tactical use as opposed to the Mage's having to build the ritual for it.

Possibly useful but really one trick pony esque. Coud also be outdated quickly if enemies figure out more powerful tactics, which likely will happen.

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>>39716764
I don't know all the units we have, but I imagine his idea would work like a more powerful, magic version of this. Who knows how effective these things were though

>>39716764
Juggernaut will already fill the roll of Super heavy armored dude and I think our Noble Knights can do the shield lock thing already as well. Think they did that at.... River battle vs Shropham?

>>39716866

Enchanted Bubble shields?

>>39716885
those were HMK actually.

>>39716885

I think that was the DracoGriffs with some draconic aid thrown in there. But still.

>>39716764
This actually reminds me I got bored last week and wrote out a five or six page military report on units and the Empires current inefficiency. I'll probably condense the ideas there after this session.

>>39716885
Still not sure what Juggernauts are supposed to do really. They remind me of some of the super heavy WW2 tanks.

>>39716927
Do share. We need to plan for the invasion of Staropol and Udanovsk after all.

>>39716927
PASTEBIN THAT SHIT NIGGA

>>39716898

As an add on to other heavier unts? I'd agree with the idea, a possibly H/JMK research route. But I don't think it would work as a stand alone unit.

Military seems to be hyper offensive right now, I don't know if dedicating efforts to creating a more defensively minded tactical approach to military affairs is the way to go or attempt to keep pace with the leaps and bounds of offense that other nations are, i.e. Malataine/Lords.

A good mix is possible, as we can see with the Daywalker Knights/Felix. But it isn't enough to be the core of our army.

>>39716472
>1,2

Also couldn't making a heir complicate her duties and studies for 7 - 9 months?

>>39716940
Figured they could work as a counter to HMK mainly and as a way to break enemy formations. Basically heavily armored shocktroppers. Perhaps they can work against the God Knights as well later.

>>39716940

That's actually probably an accurate description. It's like a mobile siege unit, probably takes some nods from the Godknights and the Black Stone Knights in its construction. Probably slow as hell, but the sheer pain in can lay into the enemy with protection from our superior artillery and aerial corps is terrifying.

>>39716940

I believe that they are planned to be Super Heavy Infantry units with only enough movement enchantments to get them moving and everything else on defence and damage.
They would do best either as being dropped in the middle of enemy lines behind their forward defences to open them up, or spread out throughout groups combing though urban environments using their heavy armour to spring traps so the other units can overwhelm the ambushing forces.
Then again, I'm not really a tactician or arm-chair general

>>39716965
I was thinking more like one use equipment, or that needs recharging between uses. Something lighter units can drop to either protect from an incoming barrage, or to slow incoming units as they retreat. But we already have more than enough experimental research options as it is.

>>39716945
>>39716949

Most of it was just unit analysis and random thoughts on things. So I'll have to condense it down to something useful.

>>39716940
My main idea here was that there is far more humans then most other heavy units in the settings. So Juggernauts can easily outnumber say god-knights or the likes by a factor of ten as long as they don't blob them.

The other thing is they would make for excellent take this objective units. Just because in that case they can force units to either run or stay and fight.

Combine this with a LMK or a Nightwalker LMK unit, Or a speed boost HMK and you have an excellent unit if used with combined arms.

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>>39716601
I am tempted to run a spin-off that involves playing Finn after Talon has died/gone missing and trying to manage the greatly exagerrated chaos and insanity that results.

>1.

Feeling as though you’re placing your head inside the gaping maw of some terrifying beast, you pluck up your courage.

“Okay, so let’s say you’re right about the current succession situation being untenable,” you say, ignoring the scowl on Sarah’s face as you doubt her. “How would having a child even work in this situation?”

The look on Sarah’s face is almost painful in the level of pity she’s directing at you. You don’t think you did or said anything to deserve this sort of look.

“Talon, you do know where babies come from, right?”

“That’s not what I meant,” you say gruffly. “I’m talking about the fact that not only am I busy running a growing empire-“

“Mal manages to run his tower while raising a child,” Sarah interrupts.

“And I’m still worried about how that will work out when time comes for a long campaign or travel,” you say. “If necessary, I can have Mal remain behind to look after Marle. It’s harder for me to put off a campaign, given the threats we can sometimes face.”

Sarah doesn’t look too happy with that and instead begins to change tactics. Pushing her chest against you as she cuddles up with you, she decides to stop trying to browbeat you into appreciating the topic.

“And even if we gloss over that fact, there’s still the fact that I regularly share my bed with seven women,” you continue. “Excluding the three that probably can’t have children that still creates a lot of potential problems.”

Staring at the wall for almost a minute, mouthing the word ‘seven’, Sarah seems to be trying to think of a proper response. Eventually, “Well, Lynn isn’t that interested in children. Taira will want one… but her timescale is very different. Who is the seventh? Tsucchi or Esraveel?”

>cont

>>39716974
>Basically heavily armored shocktroppers
We've got three varieties of those already though. HMK, NHMK, and Knights.
If you want something capable of holding the line against God Knights, your main option is to play the quantity vs quality game with mage knights (especially HMK and NHMK) and stiffen them with Daywalker Knights, which are probably the best heavily armored unit we can make.

Also, Juggernaughts would have terrible combat endurance.

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>>39717042
You stare at Sarah as you realise that you hadn’t exactly spoken with everybody about Sylvian. You’d just figured that word had spread – exactly the same way it had the last few times you’d added women to your list. Gnome and Taira certainly seemed aware.

“It’s Sylvian.”

“Oh,” Sarah says. “I don’t know then. Can she even still have children when she’s a thousand years old?”

“She’s vigorous enough to make me think so,” you mutter before changing the topic. “So in other words, your solution is that you’re the only woman who can produce a timely heir and who is interested?”

Blushing, Sarah squirms against you but doesn’t deny the point. You honestly didn’t know whether her plan would really work. Or if you wanted children in the near future.

Or why the heck Sarah seemed to immediately assume Esraveel could be the seventh candidate.

Still, the squirming that Sarah’s done appears to have gotten her interested in something else. Or at least she’s realised she has an adept change of topic available. Unfortunately for you, it seems you’re going to have to really face up to the fact that at least two of your harem have interests beyond just the bed. Taira had been giving you odd looks lately, especially when she’s around when you’re babysitting Sai or the other little foxes.

It’s late at night when the reconstruction meeting begins to die down. The cabinet members begin to trickle out, discussing matters in twos and threes. You decide to seek advice on how to proceed with repairing the empire from…

>1. Sylvian and Taira. Take advantage of those with experience – two millennia all together.
>2. Mal, Sylph and Neir. Mal always had plenty of insight and Neir had been involved in the RSK’s attempts to rebuild their northern provinces.
>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.
>4. Custom

>>39717011
I was more thinking the "Individually powerful, but a logistical nightmare, slow as hell and not worth the 5 regular tanks you could make."

>>39717056
>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.
Gnome and Undine have given us some pretty good ideas so far.

>>39716927
If I had to take a stab at it...

Our core is strong, but we lack in strengthing it against the ever evolving offense of the enemy. Enemy AAs will be a realty soon and we need to counter them.
Our magic corps is lacking, it will soon get a boost from the IA, and we make up for it with the Foxes. But we can't pull out ridiculous stunts as easily without it.
We have the 3D aspect of battle down pat with AAs, FMK, and SA soon. But the Flyers need to be augmented with a studier core, and our AAs need to beat others to the punch ASAP. Also our Rangers are vastly underdevloped and need focus.
And lastly we lack in Heavy hitter game change units. The Daywalker Knights and Dragon Knight unit can lend to this, but we need to begin developing more groups to deploy in tactical situations. More Knights, Spellblades, Magisters, etc. As well as some innovation.

>>39717056
>>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.

>>39717056
>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.

>>39717056
>1. Sylvian and Taira. Take advantage of those with experience – two millennia all together.
They if anyone knows what's what.

>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.

>>39717046
Problem there is HMK would get smashed every blow with a god-knight. Something this heavily armored could probably pull the number game better.

The big thing they really do is allow normal humans to have the durability to last long enough not to instantly die against the really heavy units. Combine with speed increased HMK and you got a unit every other unit can hide behind and takes forever to deal with in a mob.

>>39717056
>>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.

Gnome is our ace here.

>>39717056
>3. Alyce, Gnome and Undine. Magical expertise and a willingness to probe new ideas would provide some interesting insight into how to proceed.

>>39717056
>1. Sylvian and Taira. Take advantage of those with experience – two millennia all together.

>>39717056
>>1. Sylvian and Taira. Take advantage of those with experience – two millennia all together.

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>>39717108
To add to your analysis, seems also we lack the heavy artillery. Units from the Mage towers are useful, but they're vulnerable due to being regular humans with magic. Perhaps some Heavy duty Magitech Artillery?

>>39717056
>1. Sylvian and Taira. Take advantage of those with experience – two millennia all together.

>>39717108
Well we can probably get the Daywalker academy up and running during the timeskip and will probably attract some dragons to the Dragon Knight unit.

But yeah I agree with most of what you are saying. FMK needs an update and we need more mages from our own tower. The question is how much can we get done before the invasion? Think Aspirational said some threads ago that we would have about 100k soldiers ready to right within a 3-4 year period?

>>39717153
Totally. If we can swarm a God Knight with like 10 Juggernauts and support we will be able to take them down without all to many loses.

>>39717202
Are you thinking magical cannon or more like the defenses we have on the Crown wall currently?

>>39717108
This is basically right.

Our biggest weaknesses right now in a nutshell is our lack of magic strength which ties into our lack of damage.

The arcane archers are good but as the demons showed they don't always work that well. What we need is to get more magic power in the front lines where our masses of mage-Knights can grind a foe down.

>>39717202
Patterns might be able to cover that. Mobile heavy artillery that can attach itself to both the ground and walls.

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Guys
Guys

What if... What if we took arcane archers and magisters/mages/battlemages and just put them together à la the magik archer from dragons dogma?

>>39717202

The Fox Bombadiers halfway fill this niche, but they are still just flesh. We do have the giantic anti-siege mounted artillery on Harrowmont's walls but they are primarily defensive. And while our FMK and MMK can pull some magic tricks it isn't BM level.

So perhaps you're right. But how do we create something that is that step below Daywalker Mages and Combat Magisters and is mass producable, mobile, and not going to be outclassed in quick order is the question.

>>39717229
>Totally. If we can swarm a God Knight with like 10 Juggernauts and support we will be able to take them down without all to many loses.

I'd honestly prefer a 100 to 1 rate if possible. Backed by nightwalkers at that. A big thing I noticed is a large weakness that has shown up with the lords is how they rely mostly on god-knights. But God-knights are limited in numbers.

Basically my thoughts on them was the ideal way to fight them is to attack their logistics and grind them down. They have the hard hitters but they don't really have the stamina needed for really long wars in more then one front.

>>39717272
I was of the impression that is what the original concept of the Rangers was. But we have not given them any love at all.

>>39717202
>>39717238
>>39717285
How about a enchanted Scorpio with the munition being enchanted to explode on impact? Those are small, have long range and can be handled by like one or two dudes.

>>39717272
https://youtu.be/-mXQlO4iUf0

>>39717319
nope enchanted explosions don't work. We are not going to be able to mass produce units capable of matching the talented elite, and frankly I don't really want to anyway.

>>39717319

That's basically a Siege Archer then yeah? It fills the long range requirement with heavy shell fire.

But not so much the magic, which is what we need to bolster.

>>39717238
Magic cannon. If I remember correctly, the defenses on Harrowmont, are just basic ballistas.

I'm also thinking of focusing the Rangers into a sniper specialization. Improve the bows and whatnot for long range anti-personel (a ranger that has the shooting capacity, range, and stopping power as a modern day sniper with an AS50). If I remember correctly, back in Harrowmont's early days, their long range was what mainly strengthened our millitary strength.

>>39717357
>Magic cannon.
Nope, not happening. Had this argument already. Magical firearms will not work, end of story.

>>39717357
>If I remember correctly, the defenses on Harrowmont, are just basic ballistas.

A 20m diameter ballista is basic?

However, the Imperial Tower has a magic cannon in it. Because Mal is absolutely batshit insane.

>>39717353

For long range I think we should do something like this.


Arcane archers lack the fire power to bust though the really heavy armor but are really efficient in masses.

Siege archers are good with armored units but will probably be more expensive then arcane archers.

Foxes use spiritualism which gives them an affinity advantage against most mages.

Just combine all these into one army. AAs fire to remove any low armored units. The SA fire at anything heavy they see and the foxes target any mages they see.

We have the basic core ranged combat right there so now we can have mages do whatever we need them to. Rituals or defending our units.

>>39717357
>their long range was what mainly strengthened our millitary strength.

That was mostly the AAs in general, the Rangers didn't show up formally until after the Tourney arc. As far as I'm aware, they are basically Knights with a Bow focus instead of melee. Still pretty low tier though, they don't even get their own stats in the Calculator, basically AAs and a "Narrative Unit" special marker. I think that needs to be rectified.

>>39717376
>A 20m diameter ballista is basic?
Did not notice the 20 m part, that's probably the closest thing we have akin to a modern artillery gun. So yes. give those things legs or wheels and give that ballista Heavy duty arcane archer enchantments.

>>39717434
>Foxes use spiritualism which gives them an affinity advantage against most mages.
Also ludicrously high PEN so they are extremely efficient anti armor units.

>>39717434

That seems to be the general plan as of right now anyway. We just need to give them each some love and upgrades to keep pace and outclass others.

Mages are not something to write off though, a strong corps of them could absolutely devastate defenses. I honestly want our mages researching that trick the Infernal pulled that took down our walls barriers, that is useful as fuck.

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>3.

“Come to find out what your plan for reconstruction is?” Alyce says as you approach her, a smirk on her face. “I’m onto you. I know that you don’t really run anything.”

“You mean you only worked this out now?” you respond with a grin. “Does this mean you actually try to run things back in the League? No wonder you seem so stressed – you need to relax more.”

“I think Alyce got plenty of relaxation,” Gnome says dryly and the archmage glows bright red at the comment. “Are you here to flirt or talk business.”

“Business first,” you say, following Gnome as she winds her way through the keep.

“In that case, it’s mostly a case of priorities right now. We have no shortage of engineering resources but there are ongoing projects and maintenance,” she continues. “The question becomes whether we want to focus mostly on rebuilding the province or the defences.”

“We can just do both,” Undine says, looking a bit put out.

>continued

>>39717493
>Mages are not something to write off though, a strong corps of them could absolutely devastate defenses.

I have some ideas with mages. They are a major asset just because we have such good long range already Talon can use them for almost anything. Which is something I think we can exploit given how mage heavy a lot of the other armies are.

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>>39717517
“You could,” Alyce says as she pats Undine on the back in reassurance. “But that will send a message in and of itself. You’re being watched, Talon. The Guard, whatever they’ll be now without Sylvian, Falwick, Darvui, Fenix… even myself. We’re interested in how you react to the destruction. Do you immediately focus on making yourself unassailable, dedicating your resources to making Harrowmont even stronger and strengthening your fortresses? Or do you focus mostly on economic programs? Or do you try to do both, possibly by throwing more money or influence around to compensate for the greater workload?”

As you slip into a seat into your study, you consider the idea being raised. That how you respond to the crisis might not matter as much long-term, as it will all still happen, but in the short-term it is all about perception.

>Discussion and Q&A on how to rebuild

This is the formal discussion time on how to rebuild after the damage of the siege and will influence the next few years of the timeskip. This isn’t specifics of major projects so much as a ‘what should be the general approach of the empire in rebuilding’. Also, if people have any ideas for minor projects or PR/construction ideas then propose them. Note that a huge section of the provinces of Mier and Harrowmont have been destroyed, including a lot of farmland.

Also, you can get feedback from Alyce, Gnome and Undine on any ideas so ask questions.

I'll call a vote on the general approach in about 20-30 minutes depending on discussion. Then the timeskip will begin in earnest.

>>39717534
what's our budget for this fiscal year?

>>39717534
Economic programs first I think.

>>39717534
The big thing I think we need right now is to get our Farmland back to par. Get programs to help with the agriculture mages.

The other thing I see is we need to rebuild Harrowmont ASAP. We can't exactly leave the capital of the empire alone when it looks like a ruin.

I'm thinking we should place a lot of resources early on directly on rebuilding the capital and the towns early on to have a place to regroup to easily. Then over time focus on repairing the rest of the empire.

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I'm pretty in favor of going all in on rebuilding Harrowmont and the upgrading our fortresses in general. The loss in local economy won't be felt empire wide, and with Falwick and Darvui to the south I don't trust either one to not take an oppurtunity at a half way rebuilt Harrowmont. We need to appear strong, and the half and half bullshit will make us look like we aren't commiting to either entirely.

Also, here have a new map. Yes I'm moderately biased.

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I suppose the other thing to bring up is that when Harrowmont gets rebuilt is probably the best time to do any expansion work like what architectanon has proposed. This will be covered in more depth during the coming numbers thread, however. See >>39717646 for image (because he beat me to it).

>>39717568
I'm trying to avoid getting bogged down in the financial specifics this thread. I'm probably going to do a complete numbers/finance thread the week after next that will cover all that. To be honest, most projects can be absorbed by administration costs unless they're about building a huge fortress or city. The stuff that architectanon proposed for Lancaster just vanishes under the general expenditure, for instance.

>>39717534
Minimal defenses and then focus on economic programs.

People like having peace of mind which the defenses will give and allow them to focus on rebuilding rather than be alert to more attacks due to a lack of walls.

>>39717618
This may also be a time to pull some PR with the foxes. If we can get some help from them with farming we might be able to build up more goodwill with the population at large.

>>39717534
What about the memorial wall of heroes for everyone who fell during the siege?

>>39717675
good way to boost population and military morale

>>39717660
This is a decent idea. We should probably rebuild our watchtowers and build a few more. That way we can make people feel more safe about being attacked.

>>39717534
Funding a Monk Monistary in the area. Access to the source training room for the order's best, and funding to set up the order in return for establishing a large monistary in the area.

>>39717657
How full is Harrowmont right now, population wise. Is it nearing full capacity? If so we might want to look into increasing the size of the residential district.

>>39717675
You know it might be a decent idea to do this with the domain.

Have them bring in a lot of gold and metal then use the domain to shape it in the shape of Talon stabbing a copy of the demon prince though.

Then in the back have the names of all the people that died written in a golden wall. It wouldn't really take that much resources due to the domain and if the gold is real then there would be no risks of it poofing.

I'd say we focus on rebuilding Harrowmonts defenses and expland them as such.>>39717646

Harrowmont is our capital, the jewel in our empire. It represents us and all we stand for. What would foreign dignitary's think when passing through a half ruined city year after year. They would think us weak and poor, ready to be conquered.

To many enemies just waiting to take us down a peg or two and that's not counting the Source which needs protection. Can't let anyone take it from us now can we?

>>39717534
Get people back into their homes and lives. Perhaps fix the outer wall while doing it? People before Palaces.

>>39717675
Memorials for important battle sites sounds like a good idea. Perhaps we could engrave the names of heroic deaths along the cliff-side of the staircase to the Academy?

>>39717749
the statue thing seems narcissistic as fuck. I'm fine with the material thing making it out of gold and metal, but the statue? people might get the wrong idea.

>>39717748
Population wise Harrowmont is typically always at capacity, right now it's likely less because of the death toll and the lower districts being totaled.

That said the next expansion I'm working on is one that's meant more for population growth, rather then defences.

We can however fund building taller in the Residential district. We hover at a 40k pop den per sq mile for most of Harrowmont, we can build up some and make that go up as well if Population is a concern.

>>39717534
Just start building Fuckking Mage Towers everywhere

And designate one solely on the research and advancement of summons and patterns call it the Tower of the Aether or some shit. Time to get them summoners mang

Wen need more mages parker!!
Bring me pictures of Mages!

>>39717646
where's your trip architect anon? Nice design right there.
Is there any air-transportation in the world? We could potentially set a place aside for an air-field that provides training grounds for the Flying MKs as well as experimental air-craft.

>>39717788
Are you talking about the expansion out on the plains proper? The one after the crazt moat expansion part that is? Speaking of which, should there not be any Anti siege engines on the outer wall? Or at lest on the outer crown wall parts?

>>39717767
Narcissistic is pretty talon at heart. But there is another reason for this.

I was thinking mostly it shows just what they fought and defeated. I mean just look at how badass that Prince looked. Now imagine that victory being shown next to a large wall that shows the costs. Then seeing Talon ripping it's head off. I think that alone is a pretty big morale boost.

That and I imagine the wall would be so huge it would be the first thing to draw eyesight.

>>39717803
We need mages for the towers anon.

>>39717788
I'm honestly thinking it would be a pretty good idea to start building upwards. That way we have a place to start putting more and more people as the population increases.

>>39717766

Pretty sure that's a given in Harrowmont regardless, the lower districts form the capital's economic backbone, we need that back up ASAP and then to protect it with the biggest baddest wall around.

>>39717831
I usually just throw on the name quickly, forgot about it while posting today.

I did throw a small air strip onto the IOotG's area, but a larger one might serve elsewhere if we go down that route. I don't know if we can justify funding it presently though.

>>39717846
I was talking about the dorf expansion, which is going to be built into the cliff facings itself, probably the top part.

Also yes you're right some more Anti-Siege Engines would be a good idea for the new Outer Wall, I'll make anote to add those.

>>39717848
Make the wall with the color of Obsidian and have it surround the statue as a backdrop and scale it so the statue to human sized and the wall is 3 stories tall. Then we're good. The comparison would be that the small golden human sized statue of victory is worth and built by the 3 story wall of names of those who fell.

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Okay, so three major approaches being proposed.

The first is to focus outright on reconstruction of defenses and expansion - this would remind your opponents that you're a big bad empire and don't take shit. Slowest economic recovery, however.

The second is to focus on rebuilding Harrowmont only while diverting the rest of your resources to economic programs. Basically a half-half situation - people won't want to mess with you directly but they'll know that you're less focused on the military at large. No order hits but opponents will see potential weakness.

Finally, minimal defenses but lots of economic programs. You'll get the most rapid economic recovery and growth at large, but further away locations will take an Order hit as they worry about your devotion to defense. Also, your opponents will likely think of this as a good opportunity to attack.

>>39717675
Just for soldiers who died during the siege? Or covering those soldiers who also died during the advance from Marnn to Harrowmont? What about the civilians caught up in that?

>>39717731
This is an interesting idea, though it would likely involve you having to negotiate with the mysterious head of the order at Basilii if you don't want to wait for the monks to set up a monastery of their own accord sometime in the future.

>>39717846
>Speaking of which, should there not be any Anti siege engines on the outer wall? Or at lest on the outer crown wall parts?
You're referring to >>39717646 and the fact that there's no siege engines on most of the outer fortress walls (also, they probably should be named given there's now three outer layers of walls after the Crown Wall - unless I missed some in the emails).

>>39717803
We do have 4 empty spots in the Imperial Academy to fill next. I'm all for a summoner tower though, they seem to be our favorite. I think if we take a if we build it they will come stance on this it'll work out.

>>39717928
The main idea is for the wall to draw eyes. Then when they look down they see the victory.

That should in most peoples mind give the idea of "Look at all the people that died." Then when they look closer they see the Demon prince being struck down which shows that in the end they did win even though the costs.

Though yeah for this to work the scale has to be pretty large to draw eyes to the wall first. On the bright side in the domain Talon could probably pretty easily just get tell the domain to engrave all the names in the death records into it.

Hell Technically we could build a room where everyone who has died is engraved later on.

>>39717956
>This is an interesting idea, though it would likely involve you having to negotiate with the mysterious head of the order at Basilii if you don't want to wait for the monks to set up a monastery of their own accord sometime in the future.
Sounds like something worth trying.

>>39717956
>(also, they probably should be named given there's now three outer layers of walls after the Crown Wall - unless I missed some in the emails).

I have not named those as a matter of fact. It is a rather large mess, but ASW on the outer wall is a good point regardless. Especilly given their high use.

>>39717956
>Just for soldiers who died during the siege? Or covering those soldiers who also died during the advance from Marnn to Harrowmont?

Personally I would go for both of these.

> though it would likely involve you having to negotiate with the mysterious head of the order at Basilii

This sounds interesting. I'd honestly suggest getting to know the monks a little bit better though.

>>39717956
I think we should have two separate memorials. One for the brave soldiers who fought and died to defend Harrowmont in a siege and the other for mourning the death of the citizens. This allows us to just add on names every time we get sieged instead of constantly building separate memorials for separate occasions.

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APPROACH VOTE
>1. Military focus
Focus outright on reconstruction of defenses and expansion - this would remind your opponents that you're a big bad empire and don't take shit. Slowest economic recovery, however.

>2. A mixture of military and economic focus.
Focus on rebuilding Harrowmont only while diverting the rest of your resources to economic programs. Basically a half-half situation - people won't want to mess with you directly but they'll know that you're less focused on the military at large. No order hits but opponents will see potential weakness.

>3. Economic focus.
Minimal defenses but lots of economic programs. You'll get the most rapid economic recovery and growth at large, but further away locations will take an Order hit as they worry about your devotion to defense. Also, your opponents will likely think of this as a good opportunity to attack.

>4. Custom

>>39718109
>1

>>39718109
>2

>>39717980
>Summoner tower

Honestly for me I think we should create an entire department in the Academy just for creating enchanters and summoners.

>>39718109
>>1. Military focus

>>39718109
>3

>>39718109
>1

>>39718109
>2.

>>39717956
Well the full on economical approach is out of the question. We can't afford the Order hit, especially to Shropham which is only at like 2.

>>39718109

>1. Military focus
Can't afford to seems weak and invite someone to backstab us once the invasion of the Mage Guard begins.

>>39718109
>1. Military focus

>>39718109
I'm honestly thinking a better idea in the long term would be 2. But over time increasing defense building compared to economic that by the end it is more defense then economic.

To get our core set up and build on it. Though in a way that sounds like two anyway.

>>39717956
Everyone who died, do not include the civies.
I am also working on a quick mock up sketch of the Memorial. Will post the memorial design later on.
>>39718020
To add to that, I'm also thinking about incorporating parts of the Holocaust memorial. Make it so each expansion of names will eventually become a long hallway that at the end of it will be a clearing showing the golden statue.
>>39718100
I have an Idea for the civilian memorial. To maintain Talon's Narcissistic appeal. It's going to be the statue and wall idea, but this time the statue of Talon is in a pose of Mourning in the cape is replaced by weights linked by chains that lead to the wall of names, the wall of names of course will be of obsidian. It's to serve as a reminder that Even though Talon is the emperor big and strong, he still cares for the people and is constantly weighed down by those he couldn't save.

>>39718109
>2. A mixture of military and economic focus.

On one hand, time for Harrowmon to get STRONK.

On the other poor Carl.

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How do we get those fine dwarven crafts?

Any way we can improve our smiths skills currently without the dwarves?

>>39718216

Probably the next scene where we barter with the King.

Bettter Magitech.

>>39718109
1

>>39718216
Gnome might have some ideas or the magic generator might be able to help once we finish its research.

>>39718203
The civilian one seems a little too dramatic to me. For that one I think something simple and basic would work best. There really isn't any glory with Civilian deaths and there really is no real need to try to build morale there.

If we made one of those I would suggest there just a wall with names. No real fanfare or anything. Personally I would suggest getting a graveyard for them. Kind of like the grave the nameless soldiers where people can come to mourn in peace.

>the last time we talked about expansion Talon was banging Gnome during it
>this time serious business

I don't like where this quest has gone.

>>39718260
I kinda dig the tome of the unknown soldiers thing for the civilians. One simple grave for the masses whose names known by the massive wall that serves as their tombstone.

>>39718260
Nonsense! Statutes going from one end of the bridge to the other depicting heroes that died during the defense of the city. At the end of the bridge the wall shall be covered in a massive mural showing the battle and at the center there is Talon facing off against big boss demon. It will be glorious.

>>39718312
Poor Alyce will never get a chance to pull that scene off in Gnomes role.

>>39718324
Yeah the main reason I was thinking Tomb of the unknown solider kind of deal is the Soilgers died fighting for the empire. Their deaths are a tragic thing but in the end they could expect the possibility and they still in the end won the day.

The civilians on the other hand couldn't expect this. So I can't really see Talon going to far into the "Tragic but we won." Vibe with them. Instead I kind of see a just full on tragic place of mourning with no real fanfare.

Hey ASpir, what are we going to do with that massive left over demon siege engine? Just raze it?

>>39718426
it went poof

>>39718426
I'm pretty sure that vanished when the devil decided to leave.

>>39718441
I thought only the ram itself did?

>>39718441
>>39718447

>Even the metal spike of the siege engine outside the walls is gone, leaving just the wreckage of the towers and the great charred ground beneath, where the molten infernal steel had touched the ground

Nope. We still have a giant tower and some left over demon metal I suppose.

Different weapon for Talon fucking when

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>1.

It’s around the time you’re about to make a decision about reconstruction that you notice that Alyce is acting a bit strange. She’s been looking around the study, specifically at the various chairs and couches, in a manner that makes you very curious.

“Is there something wrong with my furniture, Alyce?” you ask.

She looks at you, a shocked look on her face quickly being schooled into a more passive expression. “Not as such. I just wondered…”

“Wondered what?” Gnome asks.

“Which of these chairs is actually safe for me to sit on,” Alyce finishes.

“Safe,’ you say flatly. “Do you think they’re going to explode?”

“Not like that. I mean that I don’t have to worry about what’s happened on it,” she answers, grimacing.

“Talking mostly. This is Talon’s study,” Gnome says.

“I know it’s his study. It’s because it’s his study that I also know that being clothed in here is probably a rare occurrence,” Alyce says, projecting her own bizarre fantasies on you. What kind of man does she think you are?

You voice your thoughts, “Who do you think I am?”

“An emperor with a very large harem. You don’t honestly expect me to believe that you haven’t enjoyed the privacy of this room to its fullest?” she asks. “And don’t look at me like that!”

>continued

>>39718109
>2
Guys really, are we gonna be that stubborn that we ignore the economic advances that are making us a big deal to begin with? more money = more troops

>>39718109
>3
If they need you alive they won't attack you, afterwards the military buildup would be amazing with a lot of resources and people who feel content and bored with life. Just promise the adventure of going to new places and they will join

>>39718575
For real. We need to get a new big ass bow that shoots ballista bolts. Fuck this tiny arrow nonsense, time to go big.

>>39718575
Dwarfs or elves will get us a new sword and board eventually.

>>39718603
Eh pretty tired of the sword and board
Honestly thought we would've had a chance to change that ages ago

>>39718603
Sword, hah, our weapon will be larger than a man! Larger than even a "God-Knight" even! HAH!

What do you mean "am I compensating"?

>>39718603
Dorfs already gave us a new shield. It was when their dignitaries visited the first time. Bg chunk of metal with a griffon on it, finest dwarven craftsmenship, all that.

We do need a new sowrd though, as of right now I think Talon goes through them like tissues.

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>>39718587
Ignoring the pitying looks that Undine and Gnome are giving Alyce, you decide to return to the main topic. “Leaving aside the fact that Alyce seems to think all rooms are bedrooms,” you say, speaking atop the screech of rage from the archmage, “I have come to a decision. The main focus is going to be on defences. I don’t want to risk giving Falwick or the Guard an excuse to come rampaging into my territory or to think they can get away with antagonising me while we’re rebuilding.”

“You’re not going to do any reconstruction otherwise?” Gnome asks, a little disbelieving.

“There will be the obvious, but villages, towns and roads will be reconstructed as the fortress construction progresses. Most of it can be taken care of by the population themselves,” you explain.

The women in the room nod, understanding your decision. Then Gnome and Undine immediately turn back to Alyce with vicious grins and resume what appears to be a much earlier conversation.

“So, details. We’ve got Talon here now too, so you can’t get away with lying,” Gnome says.

Undine nods vigorously. “You’re not getting away now. What happened last night?”

“I think I am, though,” you say, trying to stand before the ‘conversation’ got a little too awkward for your liking. Trying being the keyword.

“Gnome, when did my chair get shackles?” you ask.

>Timeskip of a few months next

>>39718668
Sword and shield in general in absurdly effective. It pulls out Talons strengths pretty easily so I don't think it would be to good an idea.

>>39718668
>Honestly thought we would've had a chance to change that ages ago
We did. We voted to keep it.

>>39718681
>“Gnome, when did my chair get shackles?” you ask.
Oh man. I lol'd at that. Talon's first getting grilled. Then he's getting mounted by them. And this time He's the "s" in the D/s.

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>>39718668
>>39718575
I did ask about changing weapons and everybody basically said 'sword'.

>>39718312
>get criticised for having something sexual as the background event for the conversation
>get criticised for not having something sexual as the background event for the conversation
Clearly there is only one answer to this.

>>39718743
Aren't we great with all weapons though?

>>39718668
It's a Talon's calling card anymore. Besides we voted to keep it anyway IIRC. Much to the great axe fan's dismay.

>>39718802
Technically speaking, yes. It's why Talon uses his bow so well, and we've had a few scenes where Talon is training with other weapons as an off handed remark, He can use anything, just seems to prefer the S&B.

We need to get our current, old and beat up sword to be reworked and reforged by a superior smith to the one who made this originally.

Speaking of, we should find that guy, give him a high five and a sack of gold.

>>39718769
Eh, if Talon really wants to get away he can. Domain shenanagins and all.

>>39718802
Yeah. But in general when I think Talon I think a vicious fighter that can go defensive.

Sword+Shield is excellent for that. Though I guess I could go with axe and shield. It's just kind of ingrained at this point.

>>39718797
>I did ask about changing weapons and everybody basically said 'sword'

Oh well shit I guess

>>39718856
he's being triple teamed by Alyce (who's notably energetic in sex, Undine (who's good in a 3-some), and Gnome (whose sexual stamina is second only to Taira in a 1v1). It's a fearsome combination.

>>39718896
>(whose sexual stamina is second only to Taira in a 1v1).

Hah! I asked this question once Talon got Wondrous body going and his regen is always on, all of Talon traits make him a sex god at this point! He can keep going for days and without needing to focus on his magic to get it back up!

I was proud of myself for asking that, all the time ago.

>>39718936
I still keep thinking he probably got thorough revenge on Taira and salamander when he figured this out.

>>39718797
>Clearly there is only one answer to this.

Have Finn awkwardly walk in?

>>39718990
I still keep thinking he needs to have a girls' night out with all the girls.

It ends exactly how you think it would.

Endless, screaming, earsplittingly loud karaoke.

>>39718994
Still waiting for when Lyria realizes her queen's bedroom arrangements.

>>39718936
But I wonder, if he challenged himself to turn off his regen and not use energy from the source (even if it's impossible to do so), how many rounds can he take before he passes out, throws in the towel, or goes for the brew equivalent of viagra?

>>39719015
>we get a dice roll for this
>nat20
>Talon is the greatest singer to ever grace Gauron

Calling it now.

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>timeskip of a few months

“Am I in the right place or did I walk into your weekly get-together?” you ask the assembled fox women in the room, standing safely in the doorway.

“Thank you for coming, Talon,” Tsucchi says dryly. “If you weren’t so busy then we could have held this a different time.”

“I’m not sure the time explains the current situation,” you say.

“It’s 1am. I’ve been sleeping for the last three hours,” Noah whines. “If you don’t like what we’re wearing then do something about it.”

You sigh and take a seat next to the fox ambassador. The sitting room of Noah’s mansion was tastefully decorated, even in the relatively dim light. Tsucchi, Taira and Karise are slumped in the dark leather chairs around an obsidian coffee table. Karise was the only fox not dressed in her sleepwear, though you suspect that was only because she tended not to get changed for bed.

“So, I take it we’re all here?” you ask, understanding that the sooner this meeting started the sooner the foxes could get some sleep.

And the sooner you could get the other foxes out of the room before somebody twigged to the fact that Noah was eying you off like a savoury piece of meat. At least, you hoped that smile on Tsucchi’s face wasn’t about that.

>continued

>>39719051
I"m pretty sure he doesn't draw anything from the source anymore after that time he got an head full of astral power.

Anyway he would probably die. Salamader+Taira alone risks his death.

>>39719051
Well if he was using the source he could literally turn his cock into an iron shaft that spews chocolate.

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>>39719068
“We are now,” comes Ren’s voice from the doorway behind you.

You calmly meet Ren’s eyes, even as Noah practically jumps out of her skin at his arrival. Either she was too tired to remember her lover was coming or Tsucchi hadn’t told her. Judging from the grin on the silver-tailed fox’s face, you were guessing the latter. And that fact terrified you.

The other thing that bothered you was that there were no other seats, beyond sharing with another of the girls or standing up.

“How long is this meeting going to take?”

“At least an hour. We need to discuss the current situation of Karise’s clan plus the others.”

Chair it is. Now, what to do with Ren rather obviously staring at the seat next to his loved one…

>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Taira sit in your lap.
>2. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.
>3. Stay seated where you are. You’re the Imperator, you do what you want.
>4. Be a wimp and go find another chair.
>5. Custom

>>39719086
>2. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

>>39719086
>these fucking options
I fucking spit my drink up laughing so damn hard.

>1

>>39719086
>5. Tell Tsucchi to come sit in your lap.

>>39719086
>1.

>>39719086
>>2. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

God damn it we have to do it. This would be amazing.

>>39719086
>sit next to Ren, wait for one of them to have the audacity to sit on your lap.

>>39719086
>5

Have Taira and Tsucchi share your lap

NO BREAKS
NO STOPS
MULTI TRACK DRIFITING!!!!

>>39719086
>2. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.
"This seat is a little cold, I think I'll take a warmer one, what with my delicate sensibilities."

>>39719086
>>5. Custom
Stand with a full erection, no shame, only pride. Stand the entire time, with an erection the entire time.

I'm kidding.

>>39719143
>I'm kidding.

I feel like you aren't

>>39719086
>>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Taira sit in your lap.

>>39719140
Yeah, sure, alright. Talon will be buried under their tails.

>>39719155
No, my other suggestion was going to be having Ren sit on our lap.

I can't take either seriously.

>>39719086
Stay seated where you are and have both Taira and Tsucchi sit in your lap.

We have two legs and are literally twice the size of a regular person, they'll fit.

>>39719199
>We have two legs and are literally twice the size of a regular person, they'll fit.

>Talon is only 6 feet tall, and while very broad even for a man his height, isn't twice as large as a regular person

>>39719140
do it

>>39719086
>2.

Foxes are to be cuddled and loved. And Tsucchi is unloved.

>>39719064
>Talon is forever b& from singing Love me tender and Let's get it on.

>>39719214

Nah man did you miss where he gained a solid 6 inches or so during the siege? He's not twice the size of normal people, but he's pretty damn huge now.

>>39719199
>We have two legs and are literally twice the size of a regular person, they'll fit.
are we? if so, I feel uncomfortable. I liked it better when we were still in the above-average height range, but twice the size of an average person now ? I can't imagine all the smut with that size difference. Unless Talon could change his body size after he goes full astral body, I ain't touching that.
>>39719256
This makes me a bit more comfortable now.

>>39719226
Would the world even be able to withstand Talon singing Love me Tender? The lady's undergarment industry would see a boost at least.

>>39719271
Talon is in the 6'7 range. So tall as hell but isn't shaq tier.

>>39719256
>implying 6'6" is huge

>to someone who is 6'5"

Honestly this just makes me feel weird, that isn't -that- big. Whatevs.

>>39719281
Each of the Girls make their own brand of 'Talon Approved' undergarments.
A new level of bedroom politics is formed based on sales.

>>39719271
square cube law, two feet of height with the rest of the body adjusted proportionally means we weight significantly more than the two feet alone would suggest, and we're at ~ 8' now.

f we weight less than 500 lbs I'd be surprised.

also, Aspir is an aussie, why is he using imperial units for height? don't you guys use metric for that?

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>>39719199
Even if you could fit them on Talon's legs (which is a bit questionable as he's more 'far above average' (~3 std devs above mean) than 'giant'), there's no way you'd get both Tsucchi and Taira to agree. Or more accurately, Tsucchi to agree if Taira does.

>>39719344
>also, Aspir is an aussie, why is he using imperial units for height?
Because I know I have an international audience. Plus, it's still pretty common here to use feet and inches for heights (at least in conversation, I know cm are used officially).

REVOTE
Knocking out Taira as Tsucchi has the most votes and including customs.
>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.
>2. Stay sitting next to Noah and try to convince Tsucchi to come sit in your lap. Ren can sit opposite you in Tsucchi's old chair and deal.

>>39719337
6'7 is pretty damn huge honestly. It isn't giant tier but it is on the borderline between giant and large human.

>>39719339
and woe beholden to the staff who work in the laundry rooms. Their lives would be hell from the amount of washing and drying of they'd have to do.

>>39719381
>>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

>>39719381
>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

>no one pointed we could pat our lap while looking at Ren straight in the eyes.

>>39719381
>2. Stay sitting next to Noah and try to convince Tsucchi to come sit in your lap. Ren can sit opposite you in Tsucchi's old chair and deal.

>>39719337

Yeah but are you 6'5" of magic muscle? And wearing half a ton of metal as armor? Probably not. All things considered he's huge relative to the setting where humans probably top out at ~6'2". That said Godknights probably dwarf Talon I'd guess they sit in the 7'6"-8'0" range.

>>39719381
>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

>>39719381
>2. Stay sitting next to Noah and try to convince Tsucchi to come sit in your lap. Ren can sit opposite you in Tsucchi's old chair and deal.

>>39719381
>1. Vacate the seat next to Noah for Ren and have Tsucchi sit in your lap.

Do it out of respect for Ren here. A man deserves to sit next to his waifu. I don't think Talon would violate the brotherhood code too easily.

>>39719420
6'7" is within range of the height growth for average people, I'd say. People can get that big and its only uncommon, not exactly rare.

8 feet tall or greater is officially giant range, if I recall correctly, which I'm likely not, but I'd say being 6'10" is huge, and 7'6" is fucking enormous.

But I'm biased because I myself am quite tall.

>>39719381
1

>>39719457
you say that while voting to have his sister on our lap

>>39719477
7 is giant

>>39719448
>Yeah but are you 6'5" of magic muscle? And wearing half a ton of metal as armor? Probably not.

Maybe not magical muscle, but I have a strong build, nonetheless. I always got jobs in physical labor because thinking always depresses me.

And Talon isn't wearing 1000 pound armor, shit man, come on! I'd say a few hundred at the most.

And full plate is expensive as fuck, I cant afford it!

And if you didnt know, full plate is designed with many straps and such to more evenly distribute the weight, making it easier to wear and not weigh the person down as much.

I like how active the thread is tonight, but we have had a strange mix of conversations tonight.

So here's a question. What do we name the Imperial Tower's sister tower?

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2 wins. Writing.

>>39719457
>I don't think Talon would violate the brotherhood code too easily.
Uhhhhhh, did you miss the part where players voted to not refuse Noah's advances? There's a reason this situation is what it is. Noah still hasn't told Ren about it (despite promises to the contrary) and bringing it up to him has been voted down previously.

>>39719448
>That said Godknights probably dwarf Talon I'd guess they sit in the 7'6"-8'0" range.
In armour they've been described as 'half-again Talon's height', so they're about 9' in armour. Great Knights are bigger still (Bael is about 10').

>>39719477
>People can get that big and its only uncommon
Probably only two or three people in a thousand hit Talon's height nowadays based on what I've looked up about average heights and std devs.

>>39719513
>resulting in persons between 2.13 m (7 feet or 84 inches) and 2.74 m (9 feet or 108 inches) in height.

Yeah, I just threw the halfway down instead, I have a bad habit of doing that, my bad.

>>39719541
>In armour they've been described as 'half-again Talon's height', so they're about 9' in armour. Great Knights are bigger still (Bael is about 10').
>about 10'

Jesus H. Christ. That's a big mother fucker.

>>39719541
>voted to not refuse Noah's advances

A man needs to take care with Waifus as well. It's not against the bro code to sleep around when the waifu jumps your ass.

Unless it's a young person like Finn.

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>>39719541
Also, I meant 1 wins. I think I wrote 2 because it was the number of the option in the original vote or something.

>>39719589
There's a reason Talon never called them Astral Adept to their face.

>>39719612
>There's a reason Talon never called them Astral Adept to their face.

I'm so glad that got dropped for the most part.

>>39719612
>There's a reason Talon never called them Astral Adept to their face.

Not yet.

12 foot tall Talon when?

I'm sure children would have a field day, swinging around on his arms all that way up, some parent would have a heart attack!

>>39719589
their pretty much the Black Knights of Darksouls but tougher

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>>39719589
>>39719541
So....the G-knights look like this guy but several heads shorter right (if you go by the background unit scales)?
>>39719627
He'd better be able to change his body size at will or else woe betide the women in his harem.

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>>39719541
>spoiler

What the fuck? Seriously?

>>39719612
>There's a reason Talon never called them Astral Adept to their face.
to be fair, we've never met the mooks, only the elite. And the mooks largely get by with steroids and fancy armor, their actual astral ability is pretty poor.

>>39719652
>He'd better be able to change his body size at will or else woe betide the women in his harem.

>implying the girls wouldn't like 2 and a half foot long cock

Actually, ouch.

Maybe Sylvian would.. no. Let's not go there.

>>39719664
I think it's kind of amusing that basic God-knights could be benchpressed by Talon.

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>1.

You decide to be the bigger man. Giving Ren a nod you stand and step aside to let him take a seat. Noah cuddles up to him almost immediately, after giving you a thankful glance for avoiding the situation being too awkward.

As such, you feel no guilt in immediately making things awkward. Tsucchi’s smug face immediately melts into a puddle of shock as you pick her up and take her seat, seat her neatly in your lap with her tails to one side. Her squeal as you did so still rings throughout the empty mansion, and you ignore the slight whimpers as you lightly stroke one of her tails.

The reactions are enjoyable to a well-learned and mature man such as yourself. Noah and Karise are still picking their jaws off the floor. Tsucchi is slowly relaxing into your chest. Taira is mostly glaring out of jealousy. Ren looks… impressed and amused. He gives you a thumbs up while the others aren’t watching.

“So, business,” you say while the fallout is still in the air and Tsucchi’s tail is still in your hands. “What’s the highest priority?”

“Now that we have a two year plan to migrate the entire Six-Star Alliance to the York Empire,” Ren starts, shocking you immediately, “we can safely discuss how we’re going to deal with the blatant divide in the Garotte clan. We’ve managed to avoid having to declare Karise’s foxes as clanless by virtue of disobeying their clan and swearing fealty to an external ruler but that will be much harder.”

“Hold on, two year plan?” you ask, holding up a hand and trying to put on a serious face despite the silver tail repeatedly hitting the side of your head.

>continued

>>39719780
Yup. The Astral Adepts claim that they are gods for their ability to manipulate astral energy. Of the organizations and beings historically capable of using astral power there is no organization who's average member is worse at manipulating astral energy than the god-knights

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>>39719844
“It was initially supposed to be a three to four year plan with the bulk of the move taking place towards the end, but since a certain sponsor of our presence in the Mage Guard decided she liked your bed better than her own we’ve had to accelerate matters,” Ren says.

“I don’t have the slightest clue what you’re talking about,” Karise says.

“Talon’s convinced Sylvian to join him,” Tsucchi says, trying to control her voice.

“Is that really going to affect us so much? It’s not like things are going to collapse tomorrow because Sylvian isn’t in the Guard,” Karise says.

“Not tomorrow, but sooner than we’d like. Wakato agrees with me that we need to progress our plans – the Guard won’t be safe without a strong mediating influence. That makes the York Empire the best option,” Ren says, turning to you with a questioning gaze. “Assuming you’re willing to take in all the foxes of the alliance?”

>1. Yes, that’s not under question.
>2. You have misgivings about bringing in the remainder of the Garrotte clan given the problems with Karise.
>3. No, we need to talk more specifics.
>4. Custom

And if anybody was wondering, pic related is basically Noah. One of the few characters I've created that actually has a single visual reference.

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>>39719844
>Ren looks… impressed and amused. He gives you a thumbs up while the others aren’t watching.

>>39719864
>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

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>>39719844
>He gives you a thumbs up while the others aren’t watching.
Right back at you, bro.

>>39719844
>Ren looks… impressed and amused. He gives you a thumbs up while the others aren’t watching.

We need to give Ren a brofist. He is at heart a true bro past all the jerkass.

>>39719864
>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

>>39719864
>>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

>Ren in charge of giving a fuck
This guy.

>>39719864
>>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

>>39719864
>>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

We should keep an eye on the Garrotte clan though.

>>39719942
>We should keep an eye on the Garrotte clan though.

Double Secret Probation?

>>39719864
>1. Yes, that’s not under question.

>>39719864
>1
But let's not look too excited. We want the foxes, but we also want an equitable and respectable deal

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>1.

“That’s hardly under question, Ren,” you say. “It never has been, just the specifics of each clan’s involvement with the empire. Why does this affect Karise’s clan?”

Tsucchi’s ears twitch at the words ‘Karise’s clan’, tickling the bottom of your chin. She tilts her head upwards and says, “Because once Marin moves the remainder of the Garrotte clan here she’ll once again be in direct competition with Karise over leadership. She’s been making use of their time apart to strengthen her clan, just as Karise is strengthening her part of it.”

Ah, you understand the reaction. “In other words, Karise’s clan isn’t formal even though she’s separated from the Garrotte clan in almost every way.”

Noah tilts her head cutely at that, her mood only partly business like as she continuously looks between you and Ren during the meeting. “Almost every way? She’s still part of the Garrotte clan, isn’t she? Simply by not being part of another?”

Karise coughs, looking to the side as Taira smirks. There’s a brief period of silence as nobody answers, leading to Noah building a sour look on her face. Finally, Ren lets out a sigh and explains to Noah as he pats her shoulder.

“Technically, Karise should be clanless, like Taira and Vad,” Ren says, missing the way Noah blinks at the fact that Vad is clanless. “She swore fealty to somebody outside the alliance without going through the alliance. I’ve overlooked it because nobody wanted to let it cause trouble but Marin has reason not to.”

>continue

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>>39720191
“You mean she doesn’t want to look weak for the seven-tailed enforcer whose bed she’s warming,” Tsucchi says bluntly, surprising you.

“I don’t think that matters much,” Ren says, clearly uncomfortable with the situation, and you notice that Tsucchi draws her tails inwards and across you as he dismisses her. “What does matter is that I want to avoid a situation where the alliance splinters over this. Talon, if you help me give Karise a clan within the alliance it will help keep all the foxes together and in our empire. That lets us keep them safe from Pharos much more easily. To do that you’ll need to speak to the other clan heads and support Karise – if the split comes from your involvement in the alliance, it will work better.”

You hold back a frown, thinking that things aren’t so clear cut here. Karise looks a little worried about the whole situation, but that makes sense. Taira looks uncaring. It’s Tsucchi’s and Noah’s reactions that worry you, as they suggest you’re missing something.

>1. Press Ren on why it matters that Karise’s clan remains the alliance.
>2. Follow up on Tsucchi’s comment about Marin wooing a seven-tailed fox.
>3. Change the topic to the idea of ‘clanlessness’ that Noah had been confused over.
>4. Custom

If you have any other major things regarding the foxes to bring up or ask about here, this is the best time.

>>39720210
>2 with 3 follow up
I want to figure out exactly why Tsucchi and Noah are worried.

>>39720210
>2. Follow up on Tsucchi’s comment about Marin wooing a seven-tailed fox.

>>39720210
>How is a clan formed? And what requirements do you need from the others in order to recognize that the clan you made is official?
If we can find a loophole in how a clan is formed, then we can solve the situation altogether and (almost) everyone can be happy.

>>39720210
>1. Press Ren on why it matters that Karise’s clan remains the alliance.

>>39720210
1

>>39720210

From the sounds of it that 7-tail enforcer is proably someone up in the alliance. 7-tails are rare so we are probably looking at more chaos then Ren is letting on depending on his position.

>our empire
>again

Ren we let you get away with some shit.

Anyway, voting for 1

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>>39720271
>How is a clan formed? And what requirements do you need from the others in order to recognize that the clan you made is official?
Taira shrugs. "They don't exist. Most of the clans go back centuries or even longer - the Pride and Garrotte clans predate my creation. The Seven-Leaf Clan is the only new one, as I needed somewhere to put all the foxes from clans I had destroyed while uniting the foxes."

"Exactly," Ren says. "There's no precedent. Creating a new clan within the alliance literally comes down to getting the other clans to agree."

>>39720369
I was wondering who would notice that.

>>39720368
There's 17 7-tail foxes excluding Tsucchi so yeah, pretty rare and they're influential as a result.

>>39720410
>I was wondering who would notice that.

Honestly by this point I kind of think Talon would just find this amusing.

>>39720410
>literally comes down to getting the other clans to agree."

Talon's response at the big meeting

>"This is my fucking clan, now, deal with it."

>>39720210
>>2. Follow up on Tsucchi’s comment about Marin wooing a seven-tailed fox.

>>39720410
When a clan makes a decision (such as agreeing to the creation of a new clan), does the head of the clan make the decision for the clan or is it through general consensus of the other members that the decision is made?

>>39720466
You know that might be a decent idea. Play at making a new clan in order to create a liaison clan that is directly connected to the empire.

>>39720534
A good will sort of deal, that ties the nations together. Could play at that angle.

>>39720534
As long as we can get Ren behind this and it doesn't alienate the other clans this is a fantastic Idea.

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>1.

“If there’s no precedent then why does it matter that it’s within the alliance?” you ask Ren, pressing on what you think is the weakest link in his chain of reasoning.

“The Six-Star Alliance is what unites all the foxes. It stands to reason that we want all foxes under it. Otherwise we’ll merely be prey,” Ren says.

“Plus, if you get another clan you won’t need to rename it to the Five-Star Alliance,” Taira chirps, clearly taking this very seriously.

“But Karise’s clan isn’t going to be disunited or vulnerable, Ren,” you say. “Her foxes will be under my protection just like all the other foxes.”

“It’s the precedent that matters,” he says, pressing the point. “It would provide a formal path for new clans to be created. You think this hasn’t been an issue before?”

The rest of the room is still as you and Ren stare each other down. You wonder if this is about…

>1. Power. Ren wants to retain control of all the foxes he can.
>2. Protection. Is there something that will prevent Ren from properly helping you or Karise’s foxes if they separate?
>3. Splintering. Is Ren worried about the alliance collapsing or lots of unhappy foxes trying to set-up their own clans if they can do so outside of the alliance easily?
>4. Custom

Note that this is basically Talon accusing Ren of one of these and will colour his response (and then Ren's in turn).

>>39720585
>>2. Protection. Is there something that will prevent Ren from properly helping you or Karise’s foxes if they separate?

>>39720585
>>3. Splintering. Is Ren worried about the alliance collapsing or lots of unhappy foxes trying to set-up their own clans if they can do so outside of the alliance easily?

>>39720585
>>2. Protection. Is there something that will prevent Ren from properly helping you or Karise’s foxes if they separate?

>>39720585
>>3. Splintering. Is Ren worried about the alliance collapsing or lots of unhappy foxes trying to set-up their own clans if they can do so outside of the alliance easily?

>>39720585
>3. Splintering. Is Ren worried about the alliance collapsing or lots of unhappy foxes trying to set-up their own clans if they can do so outside of the alliance easily?

>>39720585
>1. Power. Ren wants to retain control of all the foxes he can.

>>39720585
>Note that this is basically Talon accusing Ren of one of these and will colour his response (and then Ren's in turn).
So does that mean if we accuse him correctly, he'll admit to his wrongs and we'll be able to go forward with the meeting with a better solution? And if we're wrong, then our relationship with Ren will take a hit?

>>39720585

I think a mix of 2 and 3. He believes that if the foxes splinter into multiple smaller groups, they will be at greater risk of either being hunted, or persecuted by various less tolerant groups. So he wants to keep them all together under a untied leadership. possibly due to a sense of duty... Though I doubt that it is Power for Power's sake.

All in all, I'd say 2 via 3.

>>39720585
I can honestly see all as a possibility here. Ren wanting to retain his power. Ren wanting to keep his foxes protected and Ren worrying about the foxes infighting.

Personally I don't really care if It's about power. But protection and splintering is something we have to know about if they read it as a possibility.

>>39720585
>>3. Splintering. Is Ren worried about the alliance collapsing or lots of unhappy foxes trying to set-up their own clans if they can do so outside of the alliance easily?

>>39717376
Uh 20m diameter? Do you know wtf-hueg that is? Like... like like 5 stories in diameter. Perhaps you meant cm, and even that is fuck-hueg

>>39720758
I did not. I designed them. And we used them in the siege. It's magic I ain't got to explain shit.

>>39720758
>>39720792
Well the platform is 20m in diameter, right?

The ballistae would be pretty fucking huge but for a siege weapon, that is standard fare to make em big.

>>39720792
>>39720833
OH! You were talking about the platform itself, not the bolt. I was imagining a ballista firing Sequoioideae trees. Like, the entire tree.

>>39720857
I can get behind this.

>>39720857
>>39720881
No, no, those are the javelins Talon would throw.

Don't doubt, it's magic.