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>furry moth people

It's shit.

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>>39695450
But they're all adorable and fuzzy and shit
Also not everything needs to be humanized

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>>39695411
Some stuff that still needs to be answered
Miga
>What the fuck are dragonflies?
>What the fuck are butterflies?
>What caused the schism between Dormants and the Nomads in the first place?
>What happens to the monstrosities that are created from abandoned eggs?
>What are some of their allies and enemies?

Hirudo
>What the fuck is their religion?
>What are some of their allies and enemies?
>How is their leader selected?

Etc.
Also pic is one of the two Miga gods, Beelzebub

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I drew a mothfolk ages ago hoping to post it in the next mothfolk thread but I hadn't seen a thread since. Here it is!

>>39696431
>one of the two Miga gods, Beelzebub
Oh REAL orignal

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>>39696613
That's cute as hell.

>>39696634
Fuck off, don't do that shit
It's a popular demon and a lord of flies, it was perfect for a race of fly-people.

>>39696431
If it helps, one of the ideas for the Hirudo god was for it to become a minor god of medicine and medical professionals after it sucked the blood of the dying god who was previously the minor god of medicine and medical professionals.

>>39696965
Making up any other name would work better. The other god's name is fantastic. It's one thing to take inspiration from a name in the way it sounds, like if you named him Bebulza or Balshazar or whatever. Just straight up calling him Beelzebub is absolutely boring. Especially if he's also blatantly just "The Other" of the religion. He can embody some negative and aggressive traits that should be feared, but those still have their purposes in other aspects of life, and the idea of having a God who is your more benevolent god's Lover be reviled is kind of silly.

Your wiki is all moderately neat and original stuff and then a groan inducing dark god.

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>>39695411
It's been a while since I've seen one of these.
I still have a bunch of art from the Leechfolk thread.

>>39696431
For an ally/enemy for the leeches I was thinking of vampires.

Leeches bottle up and store blood, vampires drink blood. You could have some interesting interplay. Vampires going to leeches rather than draining people at night, but vampirism could be spread to leeches... a vampire could taint an entire CASK of blood and any leech that drinks from it runs the risk of getting fucked up somehow.

>>39697323
I wasn't really here for that thread but they're direct contenders for sweet sweet blood. Wouldn't that be enough cause for them to hate each other with a passion over time?

I think they should just be largely independent individuals who are fucking terrifying

>>39696431

Miga and Hirudo might be neutral to okay with one another, solidarity among outcasts perhaps. But even the Miga might be generally afraid of Leechfolk territory, they herd giant super toads for their blood, and those supertoads gotta eat something (same might apply to moths)

What about other homebrew races that we made? Like the Pangolin people? There was some talk in the previous thread about maybe substituting them for the dwarves in the Mothfolk lore. Maybe Leeches are absolute BROS with Pangolin? They're a race that isn't readily blood suckable through their armor, thus sort of forces them to attempt other ways of trade.

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>>39697454
>I think they should just be largely independent individuals who are fucking terrifying
Leeches or Vampires?
I'm gonna go off the assumption you're talking about vampires which would make for some neat parallels/interplays. Hirudo take care to Farm their blood typically, vampires are basically either bums or theives that steal it from them, or from other races, and just give bloodsuckers a poor name.

They'd be basically Hirudo "Wasters" from a different race. And becoming a vampire might be something a waster could aspire to be, take all their poor habits and legitimize them with immortality.

>>39697188
Alright there you go
Actual criticism
Anyways, I think you're right about the name, having it take inspiration from Beelzebub, but not actually being Beelzebub
And for the god's function/domain, what would you suggest? There's plenty of "The Other" in various religions, such as the Devil in Christian/Catholic, or Nerull in D&D.
I think one god representing "good" scavenging and the other "bad" scavenging works kinda well, since the original one, The Great Maggot, emphasizes both traits of scavenging.
The lover bit maybe can be handled a bit better, but we'd still need an origin for Muga, who's basically Fly-Jesus.

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>>39697546
If you wanna play with the dualism you can maybe make one "Great White eyes" and "Old Red Eyes"

Could be neat for aesthetic and could tie the certain genetic trait into some aspects of culture.

>>39696965
Semi-related, but I believe a suggestion for Hirudo priests was for them to be more doctor-like than priest-like, and for their clients to pay in literal blood money to satisfy both parties. The patients of their health, and the doctors of their nourishment. Plus living in the swamps allows for various drugs, antibodies, and other medicine to be made more easily.

>>39697675
Hirudo would also be awesome financiers from what I understand. Or rather, it be cheap to travel through their territory or buy stuff from them. They don't value gold, they value blood, and blood is something one can recover with the help of some cookies and oranges and a good night or so rest. It be neat to consider what role they'd fill economically in a world with Pangolin, Mothfolk, Miga, and Beeple.

>>39697638
The eye color thing is neat, especially since all white-eyed flies are male. Perhaps white-eyes are considered "holier" than red-eyes, and since white-eyes only occur in males, Muga can only be a male. Opens up some interesting civil-rights issues that can happen, such as lower-class reds and higher-class whites. A female getting white-eyes can also be considered to be the holiest, and automatically becomes the next Muga.

And as for Belshazar, good name by the way, semi-Lucifer/Fall from Heaven event can occur in mythology.
Basically, the Great Maggot splits into the two gods, they give birth to Muga, Muga converts a troubled civilization to flies, when Belshazar gets too power hungry or some shit and falls. Now in the present, the Cult of Belshazar/the Thugee try to enact his revenge.

>>39697992
Plus there'd probably be free healthcare, so some people may move there. Then again, it's a swamp.

>>39698127
Oh I forgot, the reason white-eyed females would be automatically the next Muga, is because she would most resemble Myiagra, due to being bith female and white-eyed, instead of just white-eyed.

>>39697546
But in those religions the Other is usually not an equal. Thor always kicks Loki's ass after his shenanigans. The Devil has to obey a direct order from Jebus. Horus' sperm always ends up in Set's butt by the end of the contests.

The female and male fly gods act like equals, they're siblings, and ones a mighty war god who gave victory and power over their enemies in dire times. Even if he is an asshole who demands a high price I would defiantly worship the crap out of him if I was in their shoes

Personally I'd just have the Muga burst out of whatever Terrasque's corpse the Great Maggot was chilling in like a chestburster with god like messianic powers with all the other folks totally losing it over how awesome he is. The Great Maggot's gender was unknown but both of the new Migi Gods took credit for his birth. Miyagi claiming she carried the egg for years upon years, putting all her strength into the holy child in a labor of love and Balshazar claiming he inseminated the Great Maggot's corpse so his champion could come forth.

No ones know which is which because The Muga had both Red and White eyes.

>>39698377
I see where your getting at, but I have to disagree. Myiagra represents scavenging and renewal, taking what is dead or dying, or left behind, and creating something new. Belshazar/Beelzebub represents parasitism and decay, taking and taking until whatever your taking is all used up, but not creating with it and instead using it for personal gain, such as to gain great strength. Both represent scavenging in a certain way, which is ultimately what a fly does, scavenge, since it's a scavenger, buy Belshazar/Beelzebub's way is ultimately more wasteful, and generally evil. The Great Maggot emphasizes both qualities, being a parasite, but on a dead being, and is also trying to create something, metamorphosis.

>>39698377
Well isn't it in the case of the Miga that their two gods are perhaps Both the other, at least compared to "The Great Maggot"

>>39698952
If Balshazar is the Parasite god what is he feeding off of or does he also encompass blood suckers and biters? The Great Maggot also doesn't make much sense, you can't be a parasite for a dead creature, either he's feeding on a corpse, which makes him Myiagra or he's feeding on a living thing which would make him Balshazar

>>39699494
Well He's the precursor, he's greater then both. Myiagra is noticeably more benevolent it seems, which makes it harder for her to be the Other in any scenario

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>>39696431
>Not Beelzebug
Missed opportunity.

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Willing to do drawings for the thread if need be. Open to suggestions.

Trying to sketch some Miga.

>>39699617
Stupid sexy anthropomorphic pokemon.
>dat Volcarano

>>39699557
Actually one of things a devout member of the Thuggee/Cult of Belshazar can do is become a mosquito, sice mosquitos are both parasites and semi-related to flies.

I got shit for the Great Maggot though. Perhaps the being it was feeding on was undead, being both alive and dead at the same time.

>>39699775
I honestly don't see how Belshazar isn't the more worshiped one. Fuck up whoever you want and take their blood for yourself seems like a much more conducive plan to go with for a short lived fly species with a rapidly increasing population and nothing to lose, since I'm pretty sure they're all about some form of reincarnation.

>>39699849
Anon
That's why there's a cult
For people who think like you
Others think differently, or consider your line of thinking as selfish, or may believe in karma or absolutely anything, so worshipping Belthazar may be considered as getting a bad reincarnation.
Plus there's a of abandoned monstrosities running around, so they may worship Belthazar too, but in a barbaric way

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>>39699849
Again he might mandate something kind of dire from the people in question, and he wasn't the one that gave the Miga wings to escape their enemies, that was Myiagra.

Myiagra gives gifts and expects nothing much in return. Belshazar is classical devil, he gives you talent and power, like superb disco dancing, but expects a dire price to be paid back, Like i dunno, losing your rythym? I'll be honest I just wanted an excuse to post this pic.

Needs more spider ladies.

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>>39700121
Really does. More interaction between races in general.

>>39700420
That's amazing, A+. This thread has delivered on everything I expected.

Since I feel like we're just gonna be talking in circles about Belshazar and Myiagra, let's move on to a different topic.
Dragonflies and Butterflies.

For Dragonflies, a suggestion was for them to be abandoned Nomad Miga eggs in a river, taken in by a Chinese Dragon-esque river god. Basically underwater monks that train for hundreds of years, go out into the world for about 15 years, and then die. Extremely fucking fast because of training with water resistance all their life, and being pretty cool Not!Asian paladins.

For Butterflies, we got jack-shit except a connection to the Mothfolk in some way.
So let's work on them a bit.
What should their relations to regular Miga be?
Weaponry?
Religion?

>>39700520
>Extremely fucking fast because of training with water resistance
That's pretty fucking cool

>>39700520
Well Mothfolk have the tradition of Necrosavants right? Maybe Butterflies are essentially highly skilled wizards as trained by Mothfolk.

>>39700520
Perhaps either the sun god of Mothfolk lore, or a haughty dawn god that's related to the Mothfolk goddess of dusk, created the Butterflies from the Miga, like Dragonflies and the Chinese Dragon river god, to one up Cirme.
They have more colorful wings than the Moths, are in general more haughty, etc.
Reflecting various aspects of the sun/dawn god.

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>>39700451
glad I could help anon.

Not sure if spiders should be a race or more folkloric monsters like Gorgons or minotaurs. Like creatures myths are made of.

I can imagine spiderwomen being humanoid and pretty despite spider men being basically GIANT ASS spiders. the whole man eating thing could come into play too. Spiders could be like sirens of greek myth, luring unlucky mothfolk or miga astray into their web.

>>39700998
You know, I think we already made a spider race a few years ago.
I remember shit about them besides that they recycle EVERYTHING.
I think they were called the Makari or something, but I believe that's wrong.

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>>39700998
>>39700420
Someone's been reading Saga.

>>39701202
Oh wow thats kind of neat and a happy coincidence. But it does lead me to another question.

Should these races exist on their own? In a sort of No Humans Allowed bugiverse? or should we work on a homebrew setting about these various races.

In the leechfolk thread a while back we were making deliberations about IF we did a Homebrew Only setting, what would replace the role of Dwarves in the Mothfolk lore, and we came to conclude Pangolin would be their racial enemy, if by accident. They blame Pangolin for dire termites ravaging their homelands, and such.

Frankly i'd like to see more interactions between Mothfolk, Hirudo, and Miga.

>>39701297
Nah, humans should exist. Dwarves, Halflings, and Elfs as well. Maybe orcs too. But that's it, no other humanoids, everything else is bugs.

>>39701488
Forgot to add "And other hombrew races as well."

>>39701488
Well we'd might need to figure out a way to make them cohesive with the world then. Humans i can get behind, humans in fantasy tend to be generic race du jour. But what about Dwarves? what role do they play outside of antagonizing Mothfolk? How could they be different? What if Dwarves are a weird hivemind of dimunitive sociopaths that get posessed of urges to throw tantrums and cobble together murder machines. You know, Dwarf Fortress Dwarves.

Ay, while looking at the old threads, I found something interesting for the Miga

>"As it is known, my people, the Miga, are highly resistant to filth and decay. Due to the gifts of Myiagra (or Beelzebub, depending on which Miga you ask), we are completely immune to diseases. We may spend our entire lives in filth that would kill a human in mintues. Due to this, some humans get the idea in their heads for us to be sanitation workers, to clean their filthy sewers. We have discovered a more...dignified use of our gift."
>"Due to our aptitude, some wizards in various Arcane Colleges employ us Miga to do field research in the way of decay. Not necromancy, mind you, but simply studying the dead. It was through this research that one Miga, Darassa Corpse-Flower, discovered Cadaverine, an essence secreted by the dead when they decay. The chemical was already powerful and foul smelling enough, but, with help from his Colleges' top alchemists, Darassa was able to concentrate the Cadaverine into Qatil, a substance so foul-smelling and virile it could be used as a weapon.
>"After this discovery, there was an expanse of research by Humans and other races to control and weaponize Qatil. However, even through months of research, the Humans could not harvest Cadaverine and refine it effectively-it was too dangerous. Something did come out of this research, however- the 'Putrescence Filter,' or 'gasmask."
(1/2)

>>39702000
>"As other races could not control it, Miga were given a full monopoly on Qatil. Cities controlled by Miga, or with a high Miga population (though these are few and far between) began building the Corpse Wells. These large, open expanses of factory were built below the cities. Dead animals were thrown down chutes into the Wells as a form of disposal, and, while decaying, the bodies could be harvested of Cadaverine. It would then be transported to small alchemy labs in another section of the facility where it could be distilled into Qatil."
>"Those Miga who wish to make a fair sum for their families, or those Miga who are skilled in the Alchemical arts, often flock to the Corpse Wells to make a living. It is miserable work, but pays well, as few can do this job. These Miga, known as Extractors and Brewers, respectively. Extractors harvest Cadaverine from the corpses by plunging the Essence Extractor, a large needle, into the body and taking the esscense. When their needles are full, they send their glass tube of liquid to the Brewers labs. Brewers, carefully working as to not cause an explosion or outbreak of Qatil Gas (which has happened before, to disastrous results). Once the Qatil is distilled, it is stored in Iron Barrels, which are held until they are needed."

>"In times of War, these Barrels are sent out to Outposts and Military Camps, where the Qatil is transferred (carefully) to small glass flasks. The flasks are issued to Miga Drop Troops, known also as "Plagueboys." In battle, the Miga fly over enemy lines, dropping the flasks on enemy troops. The ensuing chaos caused by the horrid smell usually breaks up enemy lines, allowing Miga Pike Troopers to enter the line (as non- Miga troops cannot handle Plagued areas.)
>Some have debated the use of Qatil as a weapon, as there have been some results indicating infection and death as a result of exposure. This debate rages on."

-Kitab Dubaba, "A Brief History of the Miga"

>>39702000
>>39702045
Seems like a pretty neat and powerful weapon for the Miga.

>>39702064
Specifically the Dormant ones

This got me thinking of warfare tactics, and I think the Miga would have quite a few siege weapons and other things to make up for a lack of armored units, since armor would really hamper their flight.

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>>39702045
So basically Qatil is a weaponized stinkbomb.


That's cool as hell.

Discovered some more interesting shit in the old Miga threads

>What you were born in determines rank. If you were born in shit you're a peasant, born in a corpse and you're higher-class.
>Ancestry Book. Each Miga writes about his or her life, to be passed down throughout the generations. Miga mages can learn the stuff their ancestors learned, same with Miga engineers, etc.
>Holy Book of Muga, each Muga writes teachings in what is basically their Ancestry Book, copies are made to be sold throughout cities
>Miga are fucking everywhere
>EVERYWHERE

>>39700858
Wait this could work
Meratsu, seeing the sunstruck Mothfolk, loved them, but seeing as the Mothfolk were Cirme's, he couldn't do shit for them. So he took some abandoned Miga eggs, and just as the Chinese Dragon god did, changed them. He basically made them into sunstruck Mothfolk, but turned up to 11, and WAY more colorful and fanciful. Also immune to blindness, and when they use photosynthesis, the energy actually comes from the sun.
Feverent artists, musicians, priests, and everything else, including battle and magic. Less of a focus on alchemy though.

>>39703998
I wonder if Butterflyfolk would be over reliant on their god then. They pretty much were "made" because Meratsu was lovey dovey for the sunstruck. I don't think they'd live in the desert like the Sunstruck Mothfolk either, perhaps in verdant highlands or tropical jungles. Perhaps as a sort of border between the Ancestral Mothfolk forests and Leechfolk bloodswamps.

>>39704146
What would their relations be to the regular Mothfolk? Uneasy but non-hostile? Mothfolk thinking they're barbaric and/or complete buffoons? Considered a cult?

>>39700998
the spider race should just be medium sized intelligent jumping spiders.
They are as smart as the rest without the inconvenient anthropomorphization. They are not social at all, and tend to be a rarely seen race of lone hunters.

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>>39704257
Sorry the moment you said jumpingspiders shit got real adorable in my head.

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>>39704257
I'm actually working on a book (imaginatively named Bugworld so far) that is an alternate evolution earth where Arthrpodal life is dominant.

One of the races is a giant species of jumping spider that communicate through drumming their pedipalp hands against the ground since they have no vocalization parts.

>>39704332
Also pic related

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>>39704350
Dumping the Miga art I saved from the threads when I tried keeping the creation train rolling with them

Was the anon that came up with the inclusion of Beelzebub. Name was always meant to be a placeholder, I really like Belshazar for the replacement

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>>39704420
>>39704402
>>39704390

I'm definitely liking these, since they're better attempts at "simplifying" their look down.

>>39703998
Well if we're developing an insect pantheon here then I'm sure the gods would mess with each others races.
Then would could simplify the gods into concepts like
>The Swarm
>The Parasite
>The Hunter
It might be interesting to have a Triune God group, and like in Hinduism, create more specific gods as aspects/incarnations of one of those three.
From a Parasite God, you could have a Disease Goddess (Mosquito/Flea), a Thief God (Robber Fly) and a God of Greed (Tick/Leech)
The Patron god of the Hirudo could be this specific Divine version of the Parasite god. The three original gods would be worshiped among all the bugfolk, but each race would have a few specific gods that either created them or had a major influence on their culture.
It would be like they all have the same Holy Book, but each race has their favorite characters. The characters of the book are the various Insect Gods and their adventures and teachings.
If you tell me a bit more about the Miga and Mothfolk (needs a better name) Gods, I might be able to rejigger their myths into a cohesive unit.
>>39704332
Now do one as an adventurer.
>>39704402
>>39704420
>>39704431
So Miga are small right, like halfling-ish? Or maybe like Pixie sized? Otherwise I feel they need much bigger wings.
So in my 3 part god idea, Swarm would be the favored of the 3 for Miga, but they would have a number of descendant gods and goddesses worshipped by Miga and others.
Flys and Moths are pretty similar, at least as far as arachnids and annelids go.
>>39704567
What are the sizes of the races compared to each other?
I think Hirudo should be pretty big
Maybe Hiudo>Mothfolk>Miga>Spiderbros?

>>39704567
I think we even said once that shorter pudgier ones like >>39704420 were the kind that live with other races inside cities.

>>39704598
Can they fly very far or for very long, or do they mostly walk about?

>>39704608
I think they hover around a lot. I imagined them moving about like Watto from Star Wars Ep 1. Lots of sitting and hovering

>>39704626
Okay, so they're not really as big as human either then?
Watto seems like a pretty good size comparison to me.

>>39704646
Yeah not as tall as a human but heftier than a halfling. City Miga I figured were stout like a typical dwarf and Wild and nomad Miga were taller and lankier more like Crane Flies

>>39704586
>So Miga are small right, like halfling-ish? Or maybe like Pixie sized?
>They have many offshoots, but the most important division for the species are the Dormant and Nomadic Miga. Dormant Miga range from 4-5 feet tall, and their bodies veer towards average or stocky. Nomadic Miga range from 6-7 feet tall, and their bodies are typically gaunt.

>>39704586
Those Mothfolk would need some SERIOUS rewriting then, considering they're pretty much 99% done, and all their gods and shit related to religion are done.

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>>39704586
>Now do one as an adventurer.
I'll do better than that.
I'll make him a hero.

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>>39704848

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>>39704674
I kind of think we should have Crane Fly, Butterfly and Dragonfly types be as large as 7 feet tall, but the other miga should be about 3-4 ft tall. Swarms of human-sized flies just seems a bit too much.
4-5 feet or even 6 is a pretty good size for mothfolk though
>>39704837
Ok that's alright. Although I would also counter that religion gets rewritten all the time. What are the basic concepts behind the mothfolk gods and goddesses? I might be able to spin them as aspects of a trio of gods.
Also check this out.

>>39704926
just realized that Parasite/Reduce and Swarm/Recycle should be switched.

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>>39704897
Truly a hero for the ages.

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>>39705009
Well damn, thats some good looking art, definitely stimulates my imagination for spiderbros.

Definitely gonna follow this artist now.

>>39705164
Artist is great

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http://bogleech.com/leeches.html
http://bogleech.com/bio-diptera.html
http://bogleech.com/robbers.html

Bogleech is a good source for information on "creepy and gross" insects and biology

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>>39705408
Thanks anon. I might stick around to draw up a couple more things before turning in.

>>39705454
By which i mean I'm willing to take requests.

AM I the only one to find the fly-folk disgusting.
I'm perfectly ok with leeches and other stuff, I have ben to 4chan pretty long, but yet all those maggots create a sense of repuslion in me.

bump

what do you think about the vampire idea for Hiduro.

I mean the one where hiduro are not sentient as a species they are just big leeches.
But if someoen turn them into a vampire they become sentient adn form the actual Hirudo society.

You have Adults: most of the population. Unaging vampires they do all the workbut can't reproduce (only turn youngsters)

Young ones, The race of leeches breed by the vampiric adults to be tuned into a full member of society.

A youngster usualy make a child or two before being turned into a vmapire.


What do yo uthink?

at least it will make them not another boring animal race.

>>39706300
I'm fine with that.

Also, I'm guessing their race would be subject to raids from vampires of other races. They have lots of blood, vampires want that blood, most aren't very diplomatic and won't trade for it, ect...
So I think they'd dislike 'foreign' vampires, ironically viewing them as parasites.

There might be some exceptions though. Vampire lords who don't want to attract unwanted attention for their sustenance and set up trade contracts as to obtain blood without adventurers busting down their doors. Or a band of vampires that moved into a town and integrated with the leech society, sometimes contributing their own unique knowledge for obtaining, refining, ect...

Just a thought.

>>39700520
>>39700568
>Extremely fucking fast because of training with water resistance

Ah Dragonflies. More anicent then any other races. They were around when Dinosaurous walked the earth. They were around to slay the great wyrms and dragons. Their body clad in an indistructible amror. They walk this world alone, each following his a mission known to few.
They are paladins, they are hunters of the mosnters, and in the end There Can Be Only One.

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>>39706386

>The body armor of Dragonflies was forged by Tiamat herself.
>She blew day and night with all five of her mouthes to melt and shape the body plates.
>The resulting carapce were gifted to the the Dragonflies of the day.
>The dragonflies accepted the gift and wore it joyfully. It was able to protect them from the fire and acids and all others children of Tiamat were able to breath.
>But Tiamat didn't make this gift knowing it will help slaughter her children, for indeed at that time Dragonflies hunted even old Dragons.
>The armor wasn't there to protect the waerer from the Elements but to protect the world from what is inside that armor.
>For the armor grew into the bodies of the Dragonflies and passed to every new dragonfly that is born.


>Many don't believe this legend, beacuase after seeing a Dragonfly tearing a bear in half and catching a volley of arrows you don0t want to immagine that thing unrestricted.

>>39695450
At least they're better than two bit animu ladies with one or two odd features.

>>39704586
hmm...

I kinda like this Hindu Idea.

Fo rmothfolk from which aspect would their phoenix god of the sun and moon goddess derive?

>>39705502
ok let's start with requests.

A vampire leech.
He has a conical straw hat like chinese paesants, loose clothes and maybe bandages to cover from the sun.

If you really have time have him speaking with a Mothfolk noble near some sort of gate.

>>39707232
and mouthes at the end of the hands.

>>39696431
I remember some:

The dragonflies are born from Miga eggs adopted by a water spirit/ oriental dragon. They were samurai/monks/paladins, can't remember where they settled, but I remember they fought for Good.

I think butterflies had some link to do with mothkin, too.

>>39704926
Eh
Some wanted the flies to be tall and skinny, others wanted them to be short and fat, so we compromised and made the Dormants short and the Nomads tall, I think it works.

And as for the Hinduism idea, I like it, but I don't feel like it can be used for all of the races. Like the Water Dragon god of the Dragonflies, that doesn't really fit into any of the themes, except maybe hunter, but it's a little bit of a stretch. Maybe some other races.

If he have the God of Swarm, and non eof our race is the boring swarm, the said god would end up representing familyvalues and sticking together to work for a community.
he is the father god (Odin/osiris)
parasite is the trickster god (Loki/set)
Hunter (Hunger) is the warrior god (Thor Ra)

>>39708313
Osiris was more along the line of Hades than Odin, while Ra was the chief deity. As for a warrior god, I think Horus may fit better.

>>39701297
Other notable races developed by /tg/ include:
The Chorus, magnetic sentient spheres
Vinefolk, sentient plants that use armor or animal bone as their bones
Melek Taus, not a race but a culture of psionic peacocklike poofters

That's it so far off the top of my head - well, one more, that is the crustacean water dwellers that have like, 4 castes of differing physiology depending on where they live.

>>39708340
yeah I mistaked Horus with Ra

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I'm amazed D'Vorah hasn't come up yet.

>race of humanoid bug people who house smaller varieties of insects in a symbiotic relationship.

>>39708313
The swarm god of family values would make sense for ants
A sort-of "We are not indviduals. We are a nation." mentality throughout.

>>39708361
You got any links about hem?
Like somebody did a 1d4chan page or something?


Anyway I would concentrate on making athe single races and maybe later putting them in aunified setting.

>>39708603
On iPad right now and close to the edge of sleep, but you can suptg them by their names. Or search for custom race on suptg.

>>39706300
Not a bad idea but I'm not digging it. Dunno why but vampire leeches doesn't work for me.

Their young though we did have the idea for them to be feral little critters that live in big communal pools like Mind-Flayer tadpoles. They get big enough and ignore the bloodsausage and bloodcake used to feed them so they start turning to cannibalism which triggers their development into a full-blown Hirudo adult

>>39706300
Nah.
Recently civilized, previously uncivilized swamp tribe people for me.

>>39695411
>>39695411
Hey, I work at an insectary. Ask me anything about insects.

>>39709223
Why do wasps suck so much

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>>39709223
Are parasitoid wasps a big issue?

>>39709257
No, U suck

>>39709223
Do you have velvet worms?
Are they called velvet worms because they feel like velvet, or because they taste like red velvet?

>>39709275
btw, video is of a "pet" paper wasp nest.

Wasps are stunned by a super soaker of ice water, nest transported to a cage or other container.
Wasps become acclimated to giant human hand because human hand will hand-feed them until they no longer see it as a threat

>>39709257
Because they're dicks
>>39709275
No because we keep our shit separated. That would be like me asking you if freshwater clams were a problem for your goldfish tank.

>>39709300
Yes, and there called Velvet Worms because its easier to use in conversation than Onychophorans

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IIRC the Hirudo had minor psionic abilities when attached to a host due to the brain in each of its segments, plus they farm giant toads for blood as well as for battle sometimes, using a form of telepathy to control the toad whilst attached to the inside of the giant toad's mouth

>>39709391
>Attached to the inisde of the giant toad's mouth
That doesn't sound like a very good idea for a bug

>>39709223
What's your favorite bug?

>>39709391
IIRC you are correct.

They had psionists ( can't remember if that required a host or not) and they have sonic abilities since their whole body can be used as an inflatable lung.

Sonic-blasts, super-powerful blowguns, throat-singing

Toads were said to be lazy and would prefer to sit in one spot long enough that moss and plants would grow on them, disguising the giant amphibians in the swamps as either logs or ancient statues. Implied to be partially photosynthetic. They would stand sentry, snapping up anything non-Hirudo that came by but could be motivated into movement and battle by a Hirudo controlling it

>>39709452
>Attached to the inisde of the giant toad's mouth
>That doesn't sound like a very good idea for a bug
There's actually a type of bug called the Frog Eater because it parasitizes frogs and even if the frog gets the jump on it the bug will actually crawl out of the frogs mouth to suck their blood right under their chin. They're actually killing off a LOT of frogs and toads and freaking out biologist, I'm talking they have a %100 survival rate when faced with frogs and toads

>>39709460
Don't forget they angered the toads into rampaging across enemy lines too
And I don't think they were lazy, they had problems with their musculature or something similar due to being so big, which could cause problems if caused to rampage repeatedly, greatly harming them.

>>39709452
Favorite is probably Heliothis Virescens, because they're easy to take care of, and still little QT booties.

>>39709520
Yeah true. Going by real-world physics a big creature like that with the body structure of a toad would have to spend most of its time motionless or in water.

>>39695601
seconded, not all animal folk don't need to look like us if they're not even related to humans (or mammals in general.)

>>39696965
Clearly he should be called The Beast.

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>>39695411
>leeches with arms
seriously no

they should primarily use their extremely dexterous mouths and bodies to manipulate objects.
they have weak eyesight but an extremely powerful sense of smell, to the point they can "smell" what blood type or the health of a creature/blood to avoid infected or otherwise putrid blood.

because of their powerful smells you shouldn't expect the4ir society to be the same as humans who are sight based primarily (with decent hearing as well)

the leeches primary senses are smell and taste so their arts and culture should be appropriate for that.
the greatest leech artists spend years creating new incenses and other smells. the greatest works of art are housed in great olfactoriums where thousands of leeches gather to smell the incredible and deep mix of aromas.
upper class leeches especially like to carry around small cases full of their favorite incense.
taste as well is a big deal, master leech chefs toil endlessly to create new delights within the medium of blood and flesh, mixing spices, incense, herbs and other things to make what would otherwise be a simple meal into a total delight of taste and smell.
Leeches do eat meat but prefer blood since it is the very essence of life and the purest form of nourishment. they make a kind of "bloodwine" as well which is extremely popular and only taken from the finest most delicately raised animal stocks to be fermented.
they like to live in moist environments of course and their homeland is mostly made up of swampy-jungle area, their own buildings being made of mud brick hardened by their special saliva so that the rain and water does not destroy them.
the wealthiest leeches have stone or otherwise finely plastered brick homes and their own private wallowing pools to moist themselves in.
saunas are another popular leech tradition as are public baths.
all classes gather at the pools to relax, the air always filled with different tones of incense wafting through the air akin to music

>>39710154
How do you propose they build houses, pools, saunas, prepare food, etcetera, without hands or arms

>>39710154
Too late now to prevent them from having arms

What the fuck do moths even eat?

>>39710154
I do love the idea of incense and music being a very important part of their culture.

>>39710292
I figured Fruit or something they could drain the juices of with their proboscis. Can't remember if they have mouthparts or not.

>>39710314
>>39710292
They eat lots of soup

>>39710154
I continue to say they have mouthes at the end of their hands (no fingers).
and use those mouthes to manipulate objects (like dogs)

>>39710154
there are tribes of nomadic leeches who still stick with their old hunting traditions, either stalking their prey to latch on and drain them right there, or dragging them back to their slave pens to be drained latter in large blood-pits.

the civilized leeches are more refined, they have specially bred animal stocks of all different sorts which are all kept supremely healthy and "pure of blood" for their taste, leech farmers will often take a little 'sip' from their stocks just to see how they are coming along.

though they have a heavy focus on blood they are not warlike and despise the idea of shedding blood so wastefully. in battle they focus on blunt weaponry like cudgels, and nets so as to take their enemy prisoner rather than kill him outright.
They are not cruel either, at least not needlessly so, they have grand rituals of offering blood to their God, since he gave his own blood to create them in his image but in doing so drained himself so much that both he and his children require blood constantly in order to survive. So they collect blood for him as to sustain him and receive his blessings, this usually takes the form of a great gathering where every leech is expected to give a tithe of blood into a great pit, then one leech acting as "avatar of the great God" then must consume the entire pit himself, inevitably until death by over-consumption.

if the Avatar cannot finish the blood pool its a terrible omen for the year to come, if he finishes it however and bursts from the pressure that's also a bad sign as it shows the God was displeased with the offering.

>>39696431

For my money, I like my insectfolk to be huge and disgusting like the pic I'm replying to.

I once toke part of a thread where every dubs was "a sentient race in your campaign", to which I still adhere to zealously.

One of these was Beegirls.
Now my setting's main themes are a. Religious zealotism and b. Body Horror Bloodborne? so IF I where going to have a fucking beegirl race in my setting they better be huge, multi-limbed, salivating-corrosive-acid behemoths that raid settlements and capture helpless humanoids to feast on they like dorfs and goliath because of their crunchy skin

So yes they are not entirely bees, just the best and creepiest traits of insects thrown together to make something truly horrific and awesome

>>39710369
What if they have both fingers AND mouths on their hands
Considering a race without any fingers can't really do much

>>39710240
with their mouths and sticky saliva as well as their boneless flexible bodies, they can tie themselves into knots if they wish.
>>39710314
not really music because their hearing is terrible as well, but that the incense creations are so varied and scaled as to be almost akin to "smellable music"

>>39707232
>>39707242
I'll get right on this now that I'm awake.

>>39707232
>A vampire leech.
what's the difference really?

>>39710378
You should really go read the other threads we've had on the Hirudo.

Going against a ton of stuff we've already established

>>39710416
Nigga
Leech's saliva isn't sticky
It's an anticoagulant
And no offense, but the no arms idea is just plain stupid
Unless they're extremely psionic or have some similar shit, they would have a need to grasp things, and mouths would just not work for that most of the time
It doesn't make sense

>>39709559
And even if they are lazy they'd make great sentries. Motionless rock like guardians that WHIP out their tongue to eat aerial mothfolk troopers or goostepping Dwarves miring through muck.

>>39710653
Yeah that was the plan. a write-fag in one of the first threads did a little snippit from the point of view of a mercenary group hired to go drive out a tribe of seemingly mindless monsters so some nobleman can bulldoze the swamp or something. Narrator makes a comment aobut the impressively life-like stone statues of toads until one snaps out its tongue and swallows a few of its men before disappearing into the water

>>39710554
Immortaily.
and sun hurts much more.

ANyway since the idea doesn't go well with half of people it is deleted.
I don't want to mnake a fork race at this point when so little is defined.

Vampires remain something leeches hate.

>>39710739
I do love the idea of undead insect/arthropodal races.

The Miga have the Hollows, Liches that are literally nothing more than the hollow exoskeletons of the Miga holding nothing more than dust and shadows or burial stuffings.

>>39710583
I was just talking about culture-religion specifics

for leadership I like some quasi-divine GodKing type deal, specifically bred from spawning to enjoy the absolute finest things in life, have the best taste in incense and in food, to be a great artist as well as philosopher. basically to be supreme in all matters.

they spend most of their lives in a Royal Harem with other high royals awaiting their turn to become King.
the thing is the Kingship only lasts one year as the King must always take his role as Avatar of the God for the yearly blood festival and consume the blood pool unto his own death.

after which if he does indeed drink the entire pool without exploding he is slowly drained and the blood is given out to all the citizens so that they may gain a small portion of his wisdom, that way he aids in uplifting the entire race.

the ceremony is presided over by the next Crown Prince, chosen specifically by the last king from one of the many harem princes to rule after him.

after the old King's death the new king becomes the first to drink the blood of the old one and then assumes his place as King until the next year. the difference here is these prices train their whole lives to be able to access the 'blood memory' of others, meaning that in a way the knowledge of the last King is carried over to the next as an unbroken line.

leech kings however enjoy extreme opulence and delight in all manner of things during their short reign, and many Leech kings have produced some of the greatest works of their civilization.

>>39710583
we really need to move our asses and create a good wiki page for each of those.

reading past threads is way too long.

Not that guy

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Hold on, I think I have a summary of the Hirudo.

The Hirudo, just like the Miga/Flyfolk and Mothfolk, are a bug race created by /tg/, the bug this time being leeches.

Before I go further, I should mention that most of this is what is the most accepted version, therefore the most "canon" version.

The Hirudo/Leechfolk aren't spooky scary worm vampires, as some might expect, but rather uncivilized swamp tribesmen who have recently become civilized through some means. The Hirudo, while having a craving and a necessity for blood, don't harvest it from humans and other such beings, (Although if you want some medical help from a Hirudo doctor, you best believe you're paying in literal blood money) but from giant toads and swamp boars, bred specifically for the reason of blood harvesting, as seen in this picture. There's always exceptions to the rule of course, with the above mentioned blood money, and so-called "Wasters", which are wild and barbaric Hirudo who have fully given into their bloodlust, attacking anybody anything with blood, gorging themselves until their full, only for the process to repeat again.

With the Hirudo being a fairly minor race, not exactly the prettiest in terms of looks, and some social stigma from the aforementioned blood drinking, warfare is not a common occurrence with the Hirudo, where they would find few allies, and many enemies. Although if warfare should occur, weapons such as saw-toothed clubs and large blowguns covered in the anticoagulant spit of a leech to bleed out enemies and making them easier to identify, are used, along with natural sound/sonic based attacks through both natural ability and the use of giant toads, who can be also used as stampeding beasts by enraging them, although this causes great harm to the giant toads, and using their swamplands to a large advantage. Salt, blood-depravation, and non-humid areas are MAJOR weaknesses however.

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>>39711234
Religion hasn't really been discussed yet, but a general idea for the Hirudo god, who we still do not have a name yet for, is to be a leech who sucked the blood of the dying, or not dying, minor god of medicine and medical professionals, which in turn causes the leech to become the minor god of medicine and medical professionals. This also causes the priests and clerics to not be healers through prayer, but actual doctors with extremely potent medicines made from various fauna in the swamps. They also super-crazy drugs to use against enemies.

And as for magic, the idea is that the Hirudo to drink the blood of magical creatures/beings and mages, and get magical powers equal to theirs.

That's pretty much it for the Hirudo so far.

>>39711234
>>39711312
Seems to be the general facts of them. I'll set up a page later tonight after I'm done running my game

>>39711234
Idea though about the Hirudos god of medicine and the Miga's god.

The Miga gods Myiagra and Belshazar(beelzebub) arose from the Great Maggot Muga. Muga feasted on the corpse of a god and rose to dietyhood to represent the cycle of death, decay and renewal. Muga matures and starts to metamorphose into a new form but was injured while pupating or the injury was what caused the metamorphosis. From the injured husk emerged not one but two beings, the gods Myiagra and Belshazar. At first they were both benign sibling gods until something corrupts Belshazar and the schism happens between them.

Perhaps the same Corpse God that the Muga feasted on was the same as the one the Hirudos god feasted on to absorb the role of god of medicine and medical professionals.

Maybe it was some God of Life and Healing struck down by another.

>>39712266
That's a good idea, I like it, intertwining the mythologies.
Also the Great Maggot isn't Muga. Muga is Fly-Jesus, who gave the gift of Myiagra to a troubled civilization. The Great Maggot is the proto-god of the Miga and progenitor of Myiagra and Belshazar.

>>39712634
Ah gotcha.

Yeah I thought Muga was fly-Jesus but also that he was the reincarnation of the Great Maggot

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>>39707232
>>39707242
Sorry it took a while to fufill, went out to do free comic book day at LCS.

>>39713021
Awesome :)
thanks

what is LCS?

>>39712683
I bet some Miga would think that, like how some consider Jesus to be both of God, but also a form of God himself.

Also I think I came up for a reason for the schism between Nomads and Dormants. Original Nomadic Miga, probably being hunters in old Miga society due to their increased height, didn't like how Miga decided to stop and set up a city, instead of being a nomadic civilization. "Muga and Myiagra gave us wings to fly", or some similar reason, and the "leader" of the original Nomads decides to leave and become the travelling hobos they are today.

>>39711312
For name ideas we can go with some play on Ascelpius or Caduceus, Greek God of Medicine and Snake Stick Representing Medicine respectively.

>>39712266
Maybe if we intertwine the mythologies maybe the god the Great Maggot and Cadespius Leech God feed on was more a god of "Life" in general. Great Maggot representing "Life's End" and "Cycle of Rebirth" where as Great Leech comes to represent the maintenance and healing of life.
Shooting the wind at this point really.

>>39713064
Its a pleasure anon.

Local Comic Shop, happens to also function as the card and game shop as well.

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I feel like we needed an adventuring party. Any ideas for names? Or should they just be cute?

>>39713670
I'm uninspired, so make it cute.

>>39713670
-I have an army
-We have a jumping spider

>>39713670
Mothly Dead.

An undead Mothfolk with a speech impediment.

>>39713715
Sir Fliffkins of Bonne Spiderbro Knight on a mission. Aspirations bigger than his stature.

Sook, Hirudo rogue of meandering demeanor and masterful mooch.

Mr. Migagi, Miga alchemist and excitable salesmen.

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>>39713797

>>39712266
>>39713175
Maybe this makes the Miga and Hirudo great allies, seeing as they both "descended" from the same god. Miga and Hirudo call each other "God-Brother/Sister" in their respective languages.

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>>39713774
>>39713670
>that jumping spider with a helmet.
Reminds me of Spider Quest.

>>39708402
Does anyone have a gif of her doing that back limb attack where she thrusts her hip at the opponent as the limb stabs them?

>>39714520
>>>/d/

>>39714556
Wrong kinda hipthrust buddy

>>39710154
That gif gives me a stiffy... I think I might need to see a therapist.

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>>39714556
Can't find it.

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>>39714805
Now, anon, we don't do that anymore. Gay people are perfectly healthy, and every attempt made to "fix" them has just resulted in messing up the subject's mind.

>>39714936
As a very gay woman that's uh...very comforting to see from someone on 4chan

>>39715020

>very gay woman

How much do you weigh?

>>39715020
Faggot.

>>39715071
That's more like it
>>39715034
like 65 kg last i checked

So I came with the names for some of the races

Dragonflies: Drakiga
Dragonfly God: Shuilong
Hirudo God: Sanguisuga
Butterflies: Kirriga

I got nothing for the mothfolk though

>>39715020
I was actually going for as patronising as possible as part of the joke...

>>39715106
Not same guy, but now in Imperial Measurement, please. I am on my phone and trying to do other things as well...

>>39715222
>using imperial
It's pretty light, I think. I'm pretty shit at judging these things, 'cause I'm 45-50 kg.

>>39715222
>>39715188
>>39715106
>>39715071
>>39715034
>>39715020
>>39714936
We're here for bugfolks, not lesbian measurements (google says 65kg is like 140lbs)

>>39715156
Those work for me

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>>39710154
>>39710378
>>39710794
these for Leech-folk culture/religion

>>39715465
Maybe as an offshoot. Kinda clashes with what we've already got for them but I'm not one to say a race HAS to be only one type and people.

>>39715465
Naw man
That goes against stuff previously established here >>39711234 and here >>39711312
Plus they got no arms, and that's just silly.

>>39710154
>>39710378
>They don't have arms
>But they can still make and use nets and cudgels
Also
>Leech saliva
>Sticky
Nigga what

>>39716150
whatever then, arms or no arms make no difference since you can make it work either way
>>39715587
>>39715546
if this wasn't for insects only I'd like it for a Snake people race, maybe vampiric snakes like in Elder Scrolls

So how should a Hirudo leader be chosen? Democratically? Religiously? By bloodlines? Something else?

>>39717349
Democratically from their greatest healers. At least for the "civilized" and Feeders. Wasters would probably be about brute strength

>>39713670
Saving this image for OP image in next thread

>>39704332
I miss Spider Quest.

>>39709275
>WIDF

What if there was a Kabutomushi race that revolved around competition and "honour"?
I could also see there being a race of scorpions/earnings that use claw prowess as a status symbol ("I once choked a lion to death, so I get to drive first on the road!")

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Hi, I don't visit /tg/ too often but I was here and I saw this and thought maybe this pic might be relevant to you guys? It's from a /co/ thread a few weeks back.

Some guy made up a bunch of bug girlfriend descriptions and five of them got drawn. I have the other twenty or so in another picture.

Sorry if it's not relevant.

>>39718711
https://archive.moe/co/thread/71189721/
The original thread, ctrl+F "girlfriend"

>>39718594
A pair of races: Kabuto and Kuwaga

>>39718711
I guess it's kinda related

Anyways, a bit more back on topic, how would Butterfly society work? With everybody being basically on crack and/or cocaine, and Meratsu being pretty much number one, two, AND three, how would it work? Would there be a lot if crusades, trying to "purge" heretics? Or would there not be, tolerating the "heretics", because they only believe in other gods due to their ignorance?
One thing I think they would also be obsessed with is beauty, considering butterflies are often considered prettier than moths, and the sun is also considered a thing of beauty.

>>39719534
Wait are we calling Butterflies the Kirriga now? Then I meant the Kirriga.

>>39713670
Noice

what fo we do once a race a complete?

>>39722243
Work on the other race
And then the other one if we consider the Mothfolk unfinished
After that, I dunno
Cross that bridge when we get to it

>>39704332
>>39704350
>>39704848
I need this to be quantified. This needs to be a thing in my campaign.

Thinking Con -4, Dex +6, Int, -2 for racial mods
Small thorax limits bodily strain, many legs allows greater agility, and a brain slightly more oriented towards animalistic hunting patterns limits their ability to learn new things.

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>>39722492
Dunno about the negative to Int. Jumping spiders are considered the most intelligent of all spiders.

Watch the video about Portia Spiders sometime.

Maybe a -2 to strength and a +2 to Int

Adapting Mothfolk to Mouseguard.
Could it be done?
Should I do it myself or will /tg/ do it faster and better than I do?

I had a female roach character for an RPG, I got her done up by an Aspiring Comic Artist and this was his result.

It's Roachelle, a Victorian-styled lady-roach.
I never played her.

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>>39722570
forgot file

>>39699617
left I guess

>>39722595
Thats actually really neat. Never really got a good sense of roach anatomy, other than being flat and having wings on their back. Those claws look awesome.

You definitely got your money's worth from that artist.

>>39722551
Not a bad idea. Might size them Small too, they are considerably smaller than some of the big iconic tarantulas.

Need to do more research on jumping spiders.

>>39704350
You're saying it's not....

>>39722712 Thanks man.
It was a pity she wasn't used. I was asked by a friend to join a RP community and it was full of furries but he kept intending that they'd accept me because he put in a good word for me.

So I rolled in with my default character and I was ask to drop the human by the moderator when I tried to get it accepted (bullshit reasoning too of "humans are not interesting.") The Cockroach character was an offhanded comment which I ran with, I had my friend looking for Commissions so I asked him to draw a reference.

>>39722822
>RP community
>Full of furries
>Moderator says "Humans are not interesting"
Nigga what was the plan
This does not sound like a very good situation

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>>39723103

My plan was to join to make my friend stop bothering me, which worked. He was a bit of a sperg which I played "Pet the Autistic" with just so he would shut the fuck up.

I didn't do much except read a few posts, piss off a moderator, It was overwhelming actually: long written posts which rambled on about things I shit, Thesaurus-Rexing,everyone was always typing what they were thinking, going to do, to fluff up their posts so they seemed professional. They expected people to only freeform. Typical forums, I suppose.

It was too much autism and cannibalism for me, I just ignored the forums and left.

>>39722728
Any thoughts on a natural weapon and how deadly the poison should be?

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>>39723819
Well, jumping spider venom apparently isn't dangerous in real life, so not very poisonous/venomous I guess.

And as for natural weapons, fangs, duh.

>>39723921
>That fucking smiley face

>>39704350
>>39723819
The Spiders in my Bugworld book shod their forelimbs in spiked iron gauntlets and use them for punching attacks.

Spider-Monks with flurry of blows

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>>39723935
Comes in jumping spider form as well

>>39723945
That's a really neat idea. Solitary spider-monk gurus. Variations on vows include swearing off of non-hostile prey (Portia jumpers can eat nectar), oaths to never touch ground or the opposite (web weaving/terrain advantage emphasis), perhaps others I'll think of later.

Now to research all the shit I can about Tibetan/Indian guru's and merge that with monastic martial arts.

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>>39718999
>The Kabuto, a large race with thick arms, legs, and heads.
>they worship a god of endless strength, who teaches them to always try to be the strongest they can
>and the Kuwaga, an equally large race of clawed slavers with a venomous sting
>their god of earth and weeds teaches them to subjugate others, pushing them down instead of rising themselves up
>they also "employ" an intelligent, quick race with a singular sharp claw on their tail, it'll called Kuwaga through the Kuwaga's desire for complete control
>a group of rebels that have recently created a civilization of their own call the the I can't think of a good name

I don't like the art that makes the Miga cutesy, just because they're in association with Mothfolk.

Their ugliness becomes more potent when it's contrasted against something cute, instead of becoming a boring moeblob

How do these bugs wage war?

Miga

>flying over enemy troops, dropping rocks on them
>flying above enemies with pikes and other reach weapons

Hirudo

>bloodline wizards using blood magic
>Hirudo bards using their powerful throats to make sub-sonic blasts
>Regular Hirudo with aztec-like weapons and armor

>>39726829
>Kabuto
do they evolve into Kabutops?

>>39727141
Only if you speak the 14 words.

>>39727042
>Miga
Guerilla warfare, mang. Lots and lots of poison á la refuse and sewage. Hit-and-run tactics to the max- they've got wings, I'm sure they can do it. Fuck, they could drop deep behind enemy lines and live off anything, while they Partisan up the place.

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What kinda music do the mothfolk listen to?

I was thinking some fuzz-folk and then lo-fi shit like pic related.

>>39727657
Well, grasshopper-folk tend to be well-received as musicians. (If they exist. If not, maybe wandering bards get called grasshoppers?)

Alternative forms of performance: We know moths tend to be attracted to lights; maybe have light exposure/concealment as the basis for an art form? (For example, think of a bunch of moths covering/uncovering lanterns to show images and patterns, flickering between intended designs as they go - maybe with background music; not quite a movie or dance,but something between)?

Random, associated idea - bars and inns tend to be well-lit at night.

>>39727421

They need to use their numbers for advantage, swarming and what-not

>>39727745
>We know moths tend to be attracted to lights
Moths confirmed for Pink floyd fans

>>39727042
I got something that's kinda related

Dormant Miga Army
>SO MANY SOLDIERS
>SO MANY
>Soldiers are pretty fast
>Almost always a numbers advantage
>Lots of pike men at the front, swarm and overwhelm the enemy from a distance
>Sharpshooters with powerful crossbows posted near the back and at key positions, also functions as anti-air defense and taking out persons of importance
>A few war machines such as ballistae, and a couple anti-air weapons
>Skirmishers in the sky to protect bombers and air superiority
>Bombers dropping heavy rocks and poisonous/nasty Qatil to disrupt enemy lines
>Dropping corpses and such into enemy lines and towns, spreading diseases by just being near people, biological warfare in general
>Prisoners with clipped wings forced to fight are the only actual ground units besides the war machines
>80% of the army can fly
>Flank attacks galore

>Few mages, learning magic is hard when you only live 8-13 years, and few places to learn it, such as your Ancestry Book if one of your ancestors was a mage
>Undisciplined as fuck
>Very few to none war veterans, soldiers are almost always newbies
>Very few to none heavy units, armor is usually patchwork leather from various corpses instead
>Soldiers on average are a bit weaker than others
>Everybody has an obsessive cleanliness issue, can sometimes be a detriment
>Not many allies due to being ugly-ass giant flies, also they could a shitton of diseases just being near Miga
>No calvary, but that's not really am issue because everybody's pretty fast, except the war machines

>>39728008

Sounds good. I think that with flight and overall, speed, a Miga army would be at an advantage by being able to set the terms of the battle.

I guess a smart enemy would make fires, so the smoke rises up and disorients the miga.

>>39727745
Wasn't there some art form that was basically glorified shadow puppets in Ancient Japan? That could provide an interesting basis for an art form.

>>39728008
But flies are actually very clean, constantly washing their hands. They wouldn't spread plagues.
I think they mostly see the usefulness of filth, as in it's food and they can use it, but otherwise cleanse their bodies more often than other races would.

I also speculate their culinary arts may be non-existent. Can they even taste anything besides 'edible' and 'sweet'?

Forgot
>Immune to diseases
>Absolutely fantastic fliers

Nomad Miga Army
>Ranged focus, most of the army is skilled with a bow and/or greatbow
>Melee units are basically duelists, fast and attack with a flurry of attacks, but without the reach of pikes and instead use sabres
>Guerrilla warfare focused
>Hit-and-run tactics
>Skilled naturalists, can live off, and be stealthy on, the land easily
>Base can move easily and at any time
>Bros with the Drakiga, can get their help more often than Dormants
>All of the army can fly
>Great fliers too
>Few discipline problems, due to a combination of semi-rough upbringings, and a general idea of, "We're all gonna die someday, why prolong it?"
>Each leader/chief of a caravan has a powerful holy weapon, a Bow of Myiagra, which is a very large, very blessed, greatbow
>Effective scavengers, will find and use almost everything
>Also immune to diseases

>Also few mages
>Resource dependent on scavenging, and what's in the area around them, meaning a lot of non-mechanical or metal things unless they're staying near a town or forge
>Very few biological warfare options unlike the Dormants
>No siege weapons, attacking a castle or any heavily defended city is practically impossible
>Mismatch of weapons and armor due to primarily being scavengers
>Will find a bit more allies and a bit less enemies due to being fuzzy giant-ass flies, but they're still giant-ass disease-ridden flies
>Caravan is much easier to attack than any other base
>Take out the caravan and that's pretty much it for them, it contains everything the Nomad group owns

>>39728008
I'm pretty sure we came up with a way around a Miga's life-span preventing mages. Miga Mage aspirants would enter a ritual of meditation and drug-potions that would bring them the memories of their previous spell-casting life. Similar to an aboleth almost.

>>39728359
And yeah their uncleanliness is a racial stereotype that other races view them with because of their fly nature when they're actually pretty clean

(Roaches are OCD neatfreaks as well. They'll scurry away and clean themselves in an obsessive panic if a human touches them with their oily nasty fingers)

>>39728359
Yeah they're pretty clean, but they still spread a shit ton of diseases due to eating what is practically anything, which includes shit and disease-ridden food

>>39728376
I'm guessing their type of flight combat is focused more on maneuverability than speed.

Speed focused is more along the lines of avian races and such.

>>39728396
I knew that too. Roaches always go for food, not nasty rotted stuff.

>>39699557
How about a two-headed maggot (one at each end), one head spews forth fertility and shit, and the other eats and eats and eats.

>>39699557
The idea of Belshazar becoming a parasite god is he did start out as a god of

decay and renewal like his twin Myiagra. Something corrupts him and he becomes the god of parasitism by not waiting for decay to occur naturally and instead feeding on the living.

>>39729041
>one head spews forth fertility and shit
Wouldn't that just be a penis and/or a vagina
What the fuck do fly's even have

>>39726829
>Kabuto
what insect is that?
google search turns out Naruto...

Are they ninja insects?

>>39731807
Kabutomushi.
They are big beetle things, like rhinoceros beetles.

>>39731807
They're rhinoceros beetles.

>>39731807
A kabuto is a kind of helmet, too.

I only know this 'cause the best pot noodles around are from a company named after it.

>>39731853
>>39731861
thanks.

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>>39731807
A type of rhinoceros beetle.

But there was also a Pokemon reference.

Praise the Dome. Praise democracy.

Gonna ask what's on everyone's minds, the only important question about creating a race.

Can you put your dick in it?

>>39731897
>praise democracy
Typical capitalist beetle-lover.

On that note, why is it that so many settings have desert merchants who ride on giant beetles? Where'd that cliché come from?

>>39731942

For the flies, it's probably an extremely unpleasant affair, and worst of all, male flies produce huge amounts of sperm, so you'd be pathetic in comparison.

>>39732001
I have never seen or heard that before.

>>39732019
Gotta get those 500 eggs fertilized somehow

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>>39732025
The Roving Cland from Endless Legend
Basically a race of sand Jews/merchants that put their cities on giant beetle-things
It's a pretty good game

>>39732114
Avatar: TLAB has those beetle merchants, I guess.

What would a Hirudo undead be? Leeches are invertebrates aren't they?

>>39733187

Maybe their skin can slough off, and they can be slick with blood?

>>39733187
Blood formed in the shape of a leech?

>>39733187
Swarms of a thousand thousand Hirudo teeth.

>>39733350
Still, besides the jaws, it's just muscle and skin in there, in an advanced state of decay, there'd just be nothing left except jaws.
A small advantage against necromancers I suppose.

>>39734355
Just combine >>39734229 with >>39734281 to get a pretty horrifying undead Hirudo.

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Furculan for Mothfolk race name?

Furcula is the genus for a few moth species and matches with the Hirudo being a genus of leeches

>>39735149
They already have names on their 1d4chan page, unless you want to make a third Mothkin culture.

>>39735474
i hadn't checked the 1d4chan page, sorry.
i just thought we have a race name overall like the Miga or Hirudo

>>39735584
As a whole, they are referred to as Mothkin. This is likely because they are a Fey race, created by an Elven/Fey goddess.

>>39735702
There's the Farapidaans, but I don't see anything on the forest Mothfolk

>>39735702
>Mothkin
Moth*folk*, thank you.

>>39735775
Mothpeople

>>39735775
Whoops. My bad, got mixed up.

I like to imagine the insects are engaging in regular diplomacy with each other, and having a council for their relations

>>39736573
I don't.

I like to imagine great termite cities, where soft termite princes and wicked sorceress queens rule over subjects that scratch a living in the dust. Miga live off the refuse the higher up discard for the bottom rungs of society, and make what they can from it. Mothfolk merchants from a great empire to the north cross the desert to deal in silk and perfume. Spiders weave endless velvets for the rich, and ensnare them in their honeyed traps of embezzlement, fraud and intrigue.

Basically, standard sword-and-sorcery fair, but with insects. The main deal is, you've got a lot of different kinds of insect all living together rather than your standard "elves live in elfland, dwarfs in dwarfland, demons in demonland and witches in witchland". It's more interesting to see the different cultures play against each other.

>>39736763

I imagine these insects living in a setting with the other traditional demihumans, so it would behoove them to at least have an understanding with each other.

>>39737153
man imperfect cell looked way cooler than perfect cell.

Perfect cell looked like a dork, imperfect cell is some cool bug monster thing.

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>>39737170
Right on anon

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I love this thread, I've actually been thinking about making an all insectoid race setting for awhile now. Mothpeople being a substitute for elves, Beetles for Orcs, Wasp people being a murder cult working as mercenaries, the trouble I kept running into was which race to make the "default" race, for the ones that don't want to do something fancy with their race, a replacement for humans basically. I was thinking Ants maybe but I'm thinking givin' their underground nature and size they'd be better suited to fill a dwarf role. And bees seems a bit to...fluffy, and are basically the ant of the skies. Grasshopper maybe? A variation of beetles?

>>39737458

Grasshoppers seem like the salt of the earth, or like farmers.

>>39737458
Perhaps I could make the beetles more your average beetle instead of the massive stag beetles I was thinking as an orc replacement. Perhaps that's why the two hate eachother, one is giving the other a bad name while the other thinks they're weak.

>>39737520
True, I could even seem them being nomadic in vast grasslands. Literally chewing the scenery as they went.

They're version of an undead horde would be a locust swarm. Since grasshoppers become locust due to low food in the enviroment a lot of the other races fear them or make sure they live in well feed areas.

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Hmm, what about lightning bugs being like the night elves of a world? Constantly butting heads with the moth folk.

>>39737458
>the trouble I kept running into was which race to make the "default" race, for the ones that don't want to do something fancy with their race, a replacement for humans basically.
I don't know about you, but I'd just not have 'em. What's the point in playing in a world of insects if you just want to be human?

But hey, that's me. For this, I'd suggest something common and that you'd also find in cities. So ants or termites, yeah.

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>>39737677

What about the glow-worms?

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Where are the centipedes?

>>39737746
Glow worms don't really do a whole lot though, they would mostly live in caves and hate the world of sunlight they're to sensitive for...so they'd make good drow I guess.

>>39737790
Probably being used as pack mules given all the burden you could put on their backs.

>>39737825

The females don't move, but the males can fly, right?

>>39737858

I like the idea of sentient centipedes. Might as well go down an evolutionary rung and go for slugs instead.

>>39737882
Maybe, I got to admit I don't know a whole lot glow worms.

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>>39737790

>>39737954

Putting that body to good use

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>>39737954
I see your centipede mom and raise you one earwig mom

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dammit you guys got me sketching moth people now

>moth people
c-c-can I include them in my book /tg/

>>39738311
/tg/ here
Sure, as long as it's not a shit book
Cuz' then we'll break your kneecaps
And then burn down your house
Or apartment building
And then maybe murder your entire extended family
Including the pets

>>39738311
Well it's not like (Insert animal here) people are copyrighted. If you want to make them copy written you just need to give them a unique name.

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>>39738016

>>39738417
>Including the pets

B-but what if he keeps moths as pet anon?

>>39738713
INCLUDING THE PETS

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Vampire Miga are still Mosquitoes, right?

>>39738769
Yeah

>>39738837

I imagined them trying to spread their cult among the leeches(at least the feeder ones)

>>39699296
Why do I have an erection from this.

>>39738977
You mean Wasters? Because I think the regular Hirudo would be more like, "Naw, we don't do that anymore" or "Bitch, you better back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up, because you see this blood? We earned that blood, that's OUR blood. Now take your punk-ass, skinny-ass, blood-sucking bitch-self out of our turf before we pop a psychedelic dart in your ass." When asked if they wanted todo an alliance.
Kinda like a Crips vs. Bloods thing

>Necromancers eventually create a negative-energy infused cordyceps

>>39737746
>>39737825
Not too versed on the mothfolk, but a cave village where they keep glow worms and fireflies because of shinies sounds great.

>>39739574
Naw, fireflies should be their own race. A race of roaming vigilantes who LIGHT UP THE NIGHT[/spoiler
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpSHC1dqX1o

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>>39737458
>>39737677
Nigga those pics are cute as fuck

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>>39739862

>>39739851
It's kind of hard to be a roaming vigilante if you get swarmed by mothfolk everytime you LIGHT UP THE NIGHT.

But really, don't go making new races just yet. Focus on what we already have. Like Night Proms for Mothfolk where they wear glow worm apparel and try to out bling each other.

>>39739977
Yeah I know, I got some stuff about Muga and the Cult of Belshazar/Thuggee, but I'm saving it for the next thread.

If we have a next thread. For any that's remaining, when this thread hits page 9, should we make a new thread?

>>39740119
I would say so yes. Use the party of adventurers pic that drawfag used

>>39738769
>>39738837
>>39738977
>>39739356
Well check this out. It's kind of lame to have two races of bloodsuckers and a host of vampires as well.
And the think about Mosquitoes is that only the females suck blood. The males are basically small flies anyway.
I think "Vampire" Miga should be a cult of female were-mosquitoes instead of a subrace.
Besides subraces, each of the races need other kinds of specialization.
If Miga usually worship Swarm Gods, then the Mosquito cultists would likely worship Parasite Gods instead.
They could even be swamp-based, and be in close contact with Hirudo. Perhaps they could even be sort of like blood-witches as well?
Becoming a Were-Mosquito would be a disease that it transmitted during a ritual where a coven of Miga Blood Witches add a new member to their coven, and at some point in the year they all transform together and raid a settlement as test for the newly infected Were-Mosquito.

>>39740303

I don't like that. I am always going to stick with the Miga fluff that was made in their original threads.

>>39740303
Mosquitos aren't a subrace
They're the chosen of Belshazar, God of Parasitism and Decay.
Plus there are vampires in the Mothfolk, called Moondrinkers.
Although mosquitos are more the "Noble and refined" type of vampire than the "Street rat" vampire that the Moondrinkers are.
And the Miga worship Myiagra, Goddess of Scavenging and Renewal.

>>39737170
Perfect Cell could actually emote.

If anybody's still here, a link to the new thread
>>39741879

>>39741912
So are we going to archive this one on suptg or what?

>>39737677
>>39737458
Those bugs are two dudes, aren't they?

Okay, Dragonflies in real life are helicoptor murder machines, you know that, right? They are predators even in their larval stage--fuck those things will even eat tadpoles.

360 degree vision, strong enough fliers to migrate across oceans. Bite off the heads of their prey, perch, discard the winds and devours at their leisure.

This sounds ripe for ancient sentient eating race, long scattered, and terrible to behold.