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I think that leech society would need a steady amount of blood.

If a full-grown leech "man" is 300lbs, that means it needs 1500 lbs of blood to reach full satiety.

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The idea that I'm getting is a species that live in a moist area, like maybe a swamp.

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> Of the 32 segments within the body, the first four anterior segments are designated as head segments, which include an anterior brain and sucker. This is followed by 21 midbody segments, which include 21 neuronal ganglia, two reproductive organs, and 9 pairs of testes. Finally, the last seven segments are fused to form the animal's tail sucker, as well as its posterior brain. The leech also has 32 brains because a brain segment is located in each segmentation of the body

>32 brains

Oh my God, leeches are geniuses!

>>39418379
>but now it is time to make a race of anthropomorphic leeches.

We exist. We're called the Swiss

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>>39418476

The Swiss need gold, though. Leeches need blood.

Plus, just like the moths and flies, this is an opportunity to create a unique culture that isn't a parallel to human society.

>>39418400
Body volume and energy consumption do not scale the same way. A larger animal needs less food per unit bodyweight than a smaller one.

Still, if bloodsucking is to be theme, then excessive growth would nonetheless be a problem. They'd need tons of blood to actually sustain a society, and not just individuals. What could work is a society of aquatic leeches, maybe child-sized, that herds whales.

>>39418546

There are sea leeches, wouldn't herding whales put them far away from normal societal interaction?

I imagine that there'd be less trade. Unless there are mermaids, I guess.

They're slavers, in order to maintain the necessity of fresh, plentiful blood, they need host species.

>>39418476
>We exist. We're called the Swiss
>not Jews
teej, pls

>>39418574
How so? They could create great pens made out of nets in which to keep the whales, so there's no need to be nomads. Hell, this would even allow them to have land-based coastal settlements and only ranch in the seas.
As for trade, most of the usual goods are possible. In terms of foods, they might trade spices and huge vats of different types of blood from different species (for the taste).

>>39418618

Well, that definitely puts "going to work" in a different context.

>>39418584

That is possible, but I think that in a mass to mass ratio, that might be inefficient.

Why not a symbiotic race? Hear me out. The size of small dogs, they secrete beneficial bacteria into it's host, increasing their influence through super-charged pheromones and brain activity. Now, they do this for x amount of years, going into a hibernation-like state of feeding. During this time they stockpile the blood they make, so that for every year they remain attached they get x years worth of blood for normal activities.

Since leeches are hermaphrodites, I don't think there'd be gender discrimination.

So how doe leeches make families? Do they need that? Communal rearing? Leaving the young to die or fend for themselves?

>>39418546
Why not just live on whales?

>>39418678

I'd be fine with that, but right now, this is the really rough, bare-bones fleshing out part, so we'll see how all these different ideas stick.

>>39418721
That's all it is for now, just an idea. I just gave it some fluff for why hosts would agree to the symbiosis.

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Oh hey, a chance to post this.
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZfTFr2TAA

>>39418595

>Implying anyone can out-greed a Swiss

Dude, we lost a war because the majority of our soldiers was bribed into not coming.

What about a parasite leech that uses humanoid races to be able to deal with the environment?

It sneak into the bedroom of an elf, attaches itself to the back of his neck and assumes control over the body. A full society of leeches would have breeding farms of hosts for the new leeches to attach to.

>>39418773
>>39418829

Groovy

>>39419199

That is possible, but it seems a bit cliche at the same time.

>>39419199

I already read that over on mc stories tho

Is is actually hard to come up with a society for a race of parasites.

>>39419930
Leeches aren't fully parasitic, though. While many do suck blood from larger creatures, they don't permanently live on/in said creatures, and many leeches do actually hunt for prey (worms, insects, even small fish).

>>39419930
Kender?

>>39420020

Yeah, there are carnivorous leeches.

I guess one thing the leeches need is alcohol. I think that fermented blood would do the trick.

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I, for one, welcome my new blood sucking waifu

>>39420045

http://greyanimebeast.deviantart.com/art/Leech-157557340

(Don't mind the DA tag, I thought this was solid)

>>39418400
Leeches don't need to eat very often, though. Being ambush predators, they can spend months without food, waiting for something to come by that they can clamp onto and suck blood from.

>>39420072

Yeah, I heard that leeches only feed twice a year i they're completely sated at each meal.

>>39419930
If we can do it in animorphs I think we can handle leechish society

>>39420087

Taxxons are a bit different, though. They're a hivemind.

>>39419199
Kinda skirts a bit close to yeerk for my taste. Though who knows

>>39420069
>Need an account to see it.

>>39418618
Feeding the whales will be troublesome. Krill eaters will probably require outright preposterously large pens (possibly large enough for our leeches to be nomadic in), and getting all the fish/squid/whatever for the rest...

It isn't for nothing that none of the main livestock we humans have kept for food are purely carnivorous.

welp, looks like i'm using horrifying leech-man slavers in my next dungeon crawl

>>39420221

Maybe the leeches made engineered a race that would support their needs

I sort of have a vision in my mind of the leeches being 13 feet or so long, like a big serpent.

Maybe a couple of limbs to use objects?

For a face, I guess it would be dominated by their mouth.

>>39420233
Or they could just swallow people/animals whole and feed off their blood for months. Granted, that'd be pretty horrifying.

Are we opposed to making them a "bad guy" race?

>>39420355

I'm not opposed to making them into an evil race, but that sounds more like a serpent to me.

I think that something that is more likely is a way to farm their blood, like a vampire, or a farmer.

If we want to go down an evil route, I could see the possibility of capturing people and putting them into pods and drinking their blood whenever they want, sort of like the Killer Klowns from outer space.

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>Leech blowjob

>>39418685
>Leaving the young to die or fend for themselves?

That is most likely the case. Think about it. They're worms. They aren't like mammals in the slightest.

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>>39420582

You could almost say they're very...brutal.

Anybody here remembers the guy from /an/ who had a pet leech named Vlad?

>>39420662

No. How did that go?

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>>39420069
Sexy.

>>39420670
I think he had it for a year, feeding it his own blood every month or so

Btw it died:
http://4chandata.org/an/Ladies-and-gentlemen-of--an--Vlad-the-leech-has-passed-on-I039m-not-entirely-sure-how-or-why-it-happened-He-was-fine-when-I-checke-a571987.

>>39420689

Shame about the elvish birth defects though.

>>39420720
Well, I really don't want to be banned over some leech titties.

>>39420144
How about a parasitic body horror idea? Like maybe something along the lines of:

>Ability Scores
+2 Str, +2 Cha, -2 Dex
>Size
Medium
>Type
Aberration
>Base Speed
30 ft.
>Languages
Starts with Common and Aklo
Members with high intelligence scores can also learn Elven, Undercommon, Halfing, Gnome, Dwarven, Goblin, or Orcish

>Offensive Racial Traits
Barbed Tongue:
Secondary attack, 1d3, creatures hit cannot move more than 10 ft. away and take a -2 to AC. Tongue can be removed by making an opposing strength check or dealing 2 pts of damage to the tongue (AC 11, does not reduce leech's hp). Leech cannot move more than 10 ft. away from a creature it has attached to its tongue but may release its tongue as a free action. A leech may only have one creature attached to its tongue at a time.

>Defensive Racial Traits
Immortal:
Leeches do not age naturally and cannot die of old age. While some might come into being at age categories other than adulthood, they never leave their original age category. Spells and effects that cause aging affect a leeches as normal.

>Feat and Skill Racial Traits
Integrated:
+1 to Bluff, Disguise and Knowledge (Local) checks.

>Magical Racial Traits
Implant parasite:
As a full round action, a leech dislodge and expel its tongue. If placed within a recently deceased corpse and left undisturbed for 2d6 days, the tongue accustoms itself to the new host body and grows into a healthy duplicate, save that the racial statistics of the body are replaced by that of the original leech upon growth. Once a leech expels its tongue, it gains 1 negative level and the original host body dies as soon as it begins to accustom itself. This host body replaces the original host.

>Senses Racial Traits
Darkvision 60 ft.

Continued next post:

>>39420728

Technically, leeches shouldn't even have them, but that has never stopped anyone.

Leeches also have 9 pairs of testes.

>>39420740
Why the fuck are we using D&D?

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>>39420750
Huh, interesting.

>>39420740
>Blood Drinker
Prerequisite: Leech
Benefit:
Choose one humanoid subtype, such as “goblinoid” (this subtype cannot be “leech”). You have acquired a taste for the blood of creatures with this subtype. Whenever you drink fresh blood from such a creature, you gain 5 temporary hit points and a +1 bonus on checks and saves based on Constitution. The effects last 1 hour. If you feed multiple times, you continue to gain hit points to a maximum of 5 temporary hit points for every three Hit Dice you have, but the +1 bonus on Constitution-based skill checks and saving throws do not stack.

Normally, you can only drink blood from an opponent who is helpless, grappled, paralyzed, pinned, unconscious, or similarly disabled. If you have a bite attack, you can drink blood automatically as part of your bite attack; otherwise, you must first cut your target by dealing 1 hit point of damage with a slashing or piercing weapon (though you may feed upon a creature with severe wounds or a bleed effect without cutting it first). Once you cut the target, you can drink from its wound as a standard action. Drinking blood deals 2 points of Constitution damage to the creature you feed upon. The blood must come from a living creature of the specified humanoid subtype. It cannot come from a dead or summoned creature. Feeding on unwilling intelligent creatures is an evil act.

>>39420582
Many species of leeches are actually suprisingly good parents. They guard their eggs and then they hatch, they will actually bring the baby leeches food untill they're old enough to fend for themselves.

>>39420758
That assumed Pathfinder.

>>39420773
That's even worse.

>>39420740

Is this like a doppleganger that wears the skin?

>>39420697
I think I just lost sanity points.

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So are animals like Lampreys allowed?

They're basically just giant blood sucking eels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AckvdGbk4w

>>39420762
..Huh..

The more you know right?

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Leech Waifu

>>39420544
>>39420949

What could possibly go wrong?

Just remember that she's cold and slimy, therefore not good for cuddling.

>>39420949
>French fashionista
fitting

>leech army uses bows/crossbows
>spit on their ammo
>enemy troops bleed to death

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>>39418379
>You've done moths and flies
>Flies
Actually the flies kinda petered out
I mean I guess we have a baseline for the lore, and a drawfag gave us shitton of pictures, like this one of Beelzebub, but crunchwise we got, and nothing really got done with the dragonflies and butterflies

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>>39420949
Binge eating

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>>39421139
One track mind

>>39421134

I was with those fly threads, but my /tg/ exposure tapered out for a few months.

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>>39421170
And that's all I have on hand of this immortal vampire leech Waifu

>>39421086
She's like a warm waterbed when full of blood. Cuddle to the max.

>>39420807
Yep. That was kind of the goal. Basically they'd shed a body as the physical features of the host begin to bore them/age or as they need for their personal goals.

>>39420072
>>39420080
>>39420221
What if we extend that, make it once a year?

>Every year, a [leech person] undergoes a pilgrimage hunt to search for a whale and consume its blood. Those who succeed need not eat for the rest of the year.

>Those who fail or are unable to feed in time are forced to devour small animals whole to keep up, greatly decreasing their mobility due to issues with digesting bones.

Now this is just my personal opinion, but I think the leeches should be large in size.

What do you guys think?

>>39421237

What if these infiltrators were an off-shoot to leech society? Or were used to subvert demi-human society for a more widespread body of regular leeches?

>>39418379
Ah saw that on the nature board /v/ a week ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fGGz6d3vC4

>>39421304
Whales live in salf water, which is kind of bad for leeches (semi-permeable skin, and all. Messes up their internal chemical balance). Not like there aren't plent of creatures on land that would be big enough for them to feed on. A cow or something would probably provide one with enough food to last for a year.

>>39421373
then replace whales with elephants, or mammoths.

Leech spellcasters should have spells that make the blood of their enemies burst from their skin and into their mouths.

>>39421327
I imagine them kind of like a plague that originates from a superior leech breed. Like there is probably some form of advanced leechqueen somewhere who's body is significantly different.

Hold on a second
I got the perfect name for the leeches
Hirudo
It's latin for leech and bloodsucker

>>39421451

Yeah, what better way to kill people, than to not leave a body behind?

Reminds me of the grim take on Dopplegangers from Baldur's gate.

>>39421462

Sounds like a good name.

>>39421462
nice.

So largish creatures that keep herds of animals that have high blood content. Some can travel very far out due to not needing food, but they don't handle seas and salty atmospheres too well.

Can leeches handle temperature extremes?

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>>39418750
Taking the 32 brains thing from >>39418458, maybe they're all psychic? Yes it's smarter than you and it wants to drink your blood, but if you make friends with one it's practically free caster levels.

>>39421527

According to some bullshit internet browsing, it says that leeches have chemical resistance.

>>39421601

As long as it's not a hivemind. I think that is a really easy trap to fall into with insects/arthropods/invertebrates.

>>39421618
I meant high and low temperatures. Like, they can handle tropical climates just fine, but how close to "desert" can they get before their bodies obviously can't take it? Would they be okay in tundras?

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>>39420221
>>39420233
>>39421304
Or maybe they follow the hunting patterns of the Native Americans who settled on the plains, where they are nomadic and follow the trail of the buffalo so they are in close proximity to their food source.

I see sea leeches doing the same thing.

>>39421651
They'll probably have to go hibernate a good chunk of the year, moist skin and subzero temps don't mix terribly well.

>>39421651

Evidently, Leeches need a moist environment, since I saw a few articles on endangered leeches being wiped out. On the other hand,

>Leeches well-adapted to handle climate change. It is very likely that leeches would be able to survive any climate change-induced temperature increase that might otherwise harm other cold water species in Antarctica, Kolb says

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>>39418379
Maasai drink the blood of their cows without killing them, leeches probably need a similar relationship with large beasts for them to have a culture that's beyond hunter/gatherer.

What kind of beast they domesticate might play a part in their culture, like warrior leeches drink dinosaur blood and labor leeches drink minotaur blood or whatever.

>>39421864
The anti-clotting agent sin their saliva are an issue, so I guess we add pro-clotting agents and antibiotics to their body mucus so their pets won't suffer quite so much from blood-loss and infections.

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Okay so, blood and fat is what makes meat tasty, right?
And the leeches (or should I say Hirudon) would try to breed a creature with a shit-ton of blood right?
So wouldn't this mean, that the leeches can be pretty good breeders, and also make some pretty fuckin' good steak, which can give a bunch of money

What gods do you think leeches worship?

>>39421864
Then again, their cattle needs to eat something to so cities are probably right out.

Going with the hibernation idea that has been thrown around though, leeches could have active phases (for feeding, maybe combined with raiding or warfare) during which they glut themselves on blood and passive phases during which they are barely active.

Going with multiple brains, maybe during each phase a different set of brains is in control, leading to changes in personality and aggressiveness.

Doesn't make for very good adventurers though.

>>39422241

Good idea

>>39422298

I don't know, but since they need it so much, I don't think they'll be into blood sacrifice. It would be like a desert tribe pouring water on the ground.

>>39422307

Different phases sounds good. Maybe leeches have some servants/golems/slaves to manage affairs while they are passive?

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>>39422344
> I don't think they'll be into blood sacrifice. It would be like a desert tribe pouring water on the ground.

Maybe that would be precisely why they would sacrifice blood, because it's so important. Yearly, their civilizations should have a Blood Bath with their excess reserves, or something to that effect. Their god is a sort of astral/cosmic leech that feeds off the essence of the universe, and they offer their blood to him to keep him from drawing from their energies.

>>39422411

If leeches rarely eat, why would they need stores of blood?

>>39422411
That kinda goes in the dangerous direction of making everything about blood because leeches drink blood, like in Vampire: The Masquerade where the term is kinda overused.

Maybe blood is just food to them and water is sacred because they die without moisture and a swamp drying up or being polluted can mean death for an entire tribe (or whatever level of oragnisation they're at).

>>39422481

I bet leeches hold bathing with great spiritual significance. And since they're hermaphrodites, they can have truly public baths.

>>39420689
Can we see the whole thing without the elf censors?

>>39422481
Perhaps they worship rain.

>>39422476
ant and the grasshopper, anon.

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Come on guys.. Isn't it obvious? They'll be dwelling in the sewers of large sprawled cities.

First of all its moist down there, Its filled with an godly amount pests and urban adapted creatures, monsters and beasts trying to seek refuge/dwelling including some that have mutated beyond belief, and an assortment of underground societies like ratmen, lizardmen, kobolds and secret cults etc. Every lurking corner is filled with a potential feast and many crevices and hidden forgotten areas to build an established colony.

Undoubtedly for survival purposes they'll be small as shit, maybe the size of an infant so they can easily run away from whatever that wants to eat them, and to fit into the tiniest niches.

>>39422704

But there's poo gas

>>39422862
What do they call poo gas in Scotland?

>>39423712

Probably haggis breath of some other colloquialism like that.

So, for the Hirudo, how is there magic any different?

Is it "in the blood?"

>>39423728
Crud vapors

Since they live in a relatively humid environment, they should not rely on metal.

>>39423758
They don't have magic of their own, and they can't use it on their own
They have to drain it from mages or magical creatures to be able to use it/refill it
Magical ability is not based on learning/natural ability, but having the skill to drain every last drop of magic from something magical, and how well you conserve and store the magic

>>39424933

That's an interesting take. I'm guessing that Sorcerer blood is especially valued.

>>39425048
That could be how the Hirudo god was created
Common leech drinks the blood of a god, gains sapience and divinity, becomes leech god, drinks more divinity, becomes fuck huge, and starts to drink off the essence of the world/universe like that earlier anon said

>>39425258

Why would any divinities abide the leech god, if its feeding off the world?

>>39425472
Eh, fair point.
How about the leech gained divinity through drinking the blood of a dying god, (Don't know which god or goddess though. Maybe one of animals and/or blood?) and gained their powers, becpming the god of whatever the previous god was of, and actually doing a pretty decent job at it. Also it's a giantvleech.

>>39425863

Yeah, that sounds better. Now how much does this God interact with the leeches?

>>39425863
I still like the idea of a cosmic leech. Perhaps the leech people are its chosen race, and by settling the earth and spreading forth they satisfy the cosmic leech's hunger? In some way the blood that they consume helps to aid their deity at least in their belief system.

>>39426004

Well, there could be the possibility that the leech "god" isn't exactly God, but is feeding off the world anyway, and that way the leech god doesn't need to go into fisticuffs with other gods.

Like a demon lord, or a really tough leech that got empowered.

>>39426031
Or a weird eldritch being. Suprised if there isn't a giant lecch or close enough in the Cthulhu mythos. There are giant rock-eating worms, and land-squids, certainly.

>>39426066

If the leech is Eldritch, than I'd see it as acting on a completely baffling level that faithful leeches can't really understand.

>>39418458
32 brains doesn't mean genius. one brain means genius, 32 means you're as stupid as 32 people trying to make a decision.

I can't get 3 friends to pick a god damn restuarant, how the fuck would someone with 32 brains manage anything.

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>>39426240

Some manage just fine

>>39418379
>>anthropomorphic leeches

Dude that is purely /jp/ NEET lifestyle material.

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>>39421190
thank you anon, I now have a new reaction image

>Nobody mentions to make them a goblin

Come on /tg/! They can be even better evil fodder based on anatomy. All they need is blood, they are all hermaphrodites, having 32 brains means getting stabbed in the head doesn't stop them totally, etc.

>>39426581

But then how will I make my special snowflakes?

>>39426581
they also give sperm through hypodermic implantation.

>>39426698
>>39426581

>The next CoC enemy type.

>>39421139
>>39421170
>>39421190
Where is this from, and is there more?

Rolled 17 (1d20)

>>39418773
well lets see

>>39418379
we did flies?
i missed that.

>>39427555

They were called the Miga, a few threads were made about them.

>>39418546
they herd ginat swamp elefants.
said elefants are too fat to move and are fed manualy by leaches.

The life of such creatures is sad as they are stuck in one place sticked with tubes that continuesly pump blood out of them.

Also I believe leeaches should have dealings with vampires or vampires living among them. Or a vampire that rules their society from the shadwos.

Just started reading the thread.

>>39427621
actuly I love the idea of giant Toads better.

Giant Toads in swamp ad leeches woshipping them.

Maybe I read to much Naruto

>>39427621
I could see leech-people quite happily becoming vampires. They already drink blood and dislike sunlight, so nothing really changes other than the various benefits of immortality. The "can't cross running water" thing might be a pain in the ass though, though les of a problem is they live in stagnant swamp waters.

>>39418712
>Why not just live inside whales?
FIFY

>>39419199
so what is the difference with mindflyers?

>>39427676
well that is a good reason they live in a swamp.

Like there exist a race of big leaches that beceomes sentient only when bitten by a vampire.

So we have a society with mindless children that are able to reproduce and eternal intelligent adults that are only able to see their brothers grow.

>>39421206
And very elastic the rest of the time. Just buy a handwarmer and gently poke it in.

>>39421206
>>39427940
Goddammit, you're making a leechwaifu actually seem like a good idea.

>>39427995
>I'll suck on you tonight oni-chaan~

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Well, thanks to you I ended up making another fanmade towergirl princess.
Was originally going for a more monstrous design but decided a leech-lamia worked better with the artstyle.

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>>39428106
>that art
>that human torso
>implant boobs

>>39422411
Blood for the Blood God.

Leaches devolped an unusual interpretation of Khorne.

>>39424559
>Sasuga don't need that iron sword, the riron in the blood is more then enough to lay waste of your enemies. Go into the battle now and remember what i taught you.

>>39428106

I'd fuck it

>>39424559
Are they more into jazz then?

>>39424559
>Headbanging leeches

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>>39422411
>>39428183

>the Leechmen develop the medical expertise to perform Blood Ministrations.
>Bloodborne happens, except with less Werewolves, and more other various beastmen mutant hybrids like Giant Leechmonsters.
I am very excited about this. Actually lets just make these Leeches into Pthumerians

>>39428336
nah man, Zaidaco.

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>>39427666
and sometimes in time of war they pump said toads with combat drugs and ride them into battle.
The earth tremble each time such a creature jumps.

SO much expercise usauly snpas bones and kills the Toad after battle so Hirudo uses them only in case of grave danger.

>>39421950
Make it ritual since to make them a socioty the need to DO things rather then BE things.

The wasteful Hirudo are killers, drinking their fill and letting their pray bleed out.

The civilized Hirudo understand the the cycle of blood, and the need for it to remain in the Bottomless Vessels the gods provided for your feasts. (the "Bottomless Vessels" being blooded animals)

so Hirudo Clerics would have Pouches of coagulant powders and salves for food preparations, and just happen to be praised for their healing powers among non-leech society.

>>39428409
totaly agree with that guy.

Would a leech race be able to perform some primal version of dialysis? Suck out blood with impurities and put back in enough blood to function, sort of deal.

>>39428377

I can see bodily alteration a pressing point in leech magic.

>>39428409

Sounds good

>>39428382

And that can be combined with anti-coagulant saliva

>>39428517

I read that leeches have chemical resistance, so sounds possible.

>>39428382
>SO much expercise usauly snpas bones and kills the Toad after battle
Why would it break the bones
I mean a toad's whole deal is that it can jump really fucking high without breaking it's bones
So why would it break the bones

>>39428657
it was a race of toads breed so big by Hirudo (Hirudo sounds too japanese, and i studied latin so i should know how latin sounds. Strange)

They started from human sized toads that could jump normaly, and after slective breeding we have elephant sized toads. They can hardly move and procure food for themselves.

Hell take pitbuuls, they can't even give birth without human assistance. (totaly impractical animal breed by humans)

>>39428409
Also on the vampire angle, since they are blood drinkers I would see a Leech society being deathly afraid of vampires and constantly dealing with accusations from other societies of being vampires.

a vampire Leech can operate alongside everyone else without you knowing. they spend more time active at night then not but that's not that unusualthough.

Signs that someone is a vampire might be their food naturally clots, since as a corpse it stops generating the anti-coagulants.

So ive thought of a few classes/casts that might be found in a Hirudo city/village

Vessel Keepers - Herder Monks, that maintain the Giant Toads and other large marsh/swamp adjacent ruminants for food.
Hirudo Vigilant - Guards/Ecclesiastic Police, Making sure people follow the rites and don't kill all the food and basic law and order.

>>39425863
On the topic of the leech god, as they gain their abilities to use magic temporarily from drinking from magical beings, the Hirudo "God" would be a cunning yet foolhardy Hirudo who latched onto a goddess while she was bathing, creating a realm for his people with the siphoned power but as the blood weakened so did the god and it is now a fairly miner divine plane where the spirits of the fallen Hirudo go to their rest. The realm maintained through ancestor worship, while the divine blood has long since dried been used up.

>>39428713
But it doesn't make sense.
If they can already breed giant toads from regular-size ones, why would they use them as both livestock and battlemounts, especially when they use them as battlemounts they will die.
It's incredibly inneficent.
Again, if they can breed giant toads, they can certainly breed done sort of livestock animal to survive in the swamps, and have giant toads as mounts.
Hell, you could have one strain of giant toads as battle mounts and another as livestock.

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Could be that by attaching to a non-sapient being, the Hirudo gains a Psionic bond (36 brains afterall) to the creature, allowing it to control it and direct it.

Could be used to control the Giant Toads as battlemounts?

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>>39429050
>Hell, you could have one strain of giant toads as battle mounts and another as livestock.
true but what fun is in that?

If you want an explanation...
They go to war rarely so they never felt the need to breed battletoads. Once during an attack on the city when all seemed lost a young Hirudo freed a captive toad and unleashed him on enemies.

So leeches know that in theory they could use their toads as a last resort but don't really want to do it.

Also tbreeding a race of animals that big takes a century so you want breed battle toads unless you have a constant need for centuries.

>>39429167
Let me explain to you why each of your paragraphs is bullshit, in a capslock, extremely angry, voice. I apologize in advance as you have ideas, and that's not bad, it's great to have ideas! Some ideas however, are bad ideas. This is one of them. Again, I apologize.

>They go to war rarely so they never felt the need to breed battletoads. Once during an attack on the city when all seemed lost a young Hirudo freed a captive toad and unleashed him on enemies.
HORSE
FUCKING
SHIT
YOU'RE TELLING ME
THAT GIANT-ASS LEECHES
WHO DRINK FUCKING BLOOD
WOULD NOT BE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
AND KILLED ON SIGHT
MOST PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH GODDAMN ORCS
WHO ARE HUMANOID
THESE ARE LITERAL MONSTROSITIES
NOT HUMAN IN LOOKS IN THE SLIGHTEST
AND YOU'RE ALSO TELLING ME
GIANT LEECHES
WOULD NOT THINK A
GIANT ANIMAL
WOULD NOT BE DANGEROUS
A RACE
WHO ARR LITERALLY GIANT VERSIONS OF AN ANIMAL AND ARE REASONABLY DANGEROUS
WOULD NOT CONSIDER
A GIANT ANIMAL TO BE READONABLY DANGEROUS

>So leeches know that in theory they could use their toads as a last resort but don't really want to do it.
>Also tbreeding a race of animals that big takes a century so you want breed battle toads unless you have a constant need for centuries.
IF IT WOULD ONLY TAKE A FUCKING CENTURY TO BREED A GIANT BATTLE TOAD, AND THE HIRUDO KNOW THAT WHEN THEY USE THEIR LIVESTOCK TOAD AS A BATTLETOAD, IT WOULD KILL THEM, OF COURSE THEY WOULD FUCKING BREED BATTLETOADS
IF ONLY TOOK A CENTURY
AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS ALSO BULLSHIT
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT TOOK TO DOMESTICATE THE COMMON DOG?
OVER 5,000 FUCKING YEARS
AND I'M PRETTY SURE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT ONE AND IT TOOK EVEN LONGER
TO BREED GIANT TOADS, WOULD TAKE AN INCREDIBLY LONG TIME
FUCK YOU

>>39418379
Vampires?

>>39429882

Give the leeches a chance! Love not war!

>>39429882
wow I enjoyed that.
espeicaly the introductory paragraph.

Anyway a century isn't long enough, but I read that a team of russian scientist took on trianing wild foxes and in just 3 generations they went from "I BITE YOU IF YOU FUCKING TOUCH ME" to ok you can pet me whenever you want.

Sure this doesn't meanthey are domesticated but is a huge path forward.

So I guess we can agree they use both Battle toads and livestock toads as canon?

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Anywa how do we integrate 30 brains into the society?

Are they psionic?

Are the able to parallel thinking much better?

What happens if you remove one brain?
You forget some stuff or you becomes more stupid?

can you transplant brains with information?

>>39430017
they would certainly have more problems defining the mind and soul.

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>>39430017
>Elysia chlorotica
You cheatin, contrarian fey son of a clam! Stop stealing chloroplastic DNA from seaweed and using it on your own! You're already an animal, quite pretending to be a plant using whatever bullcrap scheme you got from playing Parasite Eve!

>>39429969
>So I guess we can agree they use both Battle toads and livestock toads as canon?
Yeah, that's good.

>>39430017
Well, one suggestion earlier was to have passive and aggressive periods where some brains would be working while others would be "sleeping". So that could be a thing.

>>39430017

The lazy answer is that the brain functions are evenly spread out among the 32 brains. Or are redundant organs in case the leech is cut in half.

>>39429882
That is a lot of Butt-mad for one little leech right there.

From their preferred habitat they would definitely be a minor race. Their taste for blood not withstanding they would do everything in their power to not go to war. as they would invariably be on the losing side no matter what. In single combat their natural resilience would win the day, but as soon as a dishonorable opponent flings a bag of salt at the Hirudo suddenly the tide has turned against them once again.

He even says they don't have War Toads, that in a battle someone let one loose and it worked out. so it would be less likely that they would then breed a specific war variant, especially from something so lethargic.

SO here is my take, after first said rampaging toad incident the Toad wranglers have added to their bag of tricks. EngagementTraining. learning what pisses off these lethargic beasts and putting it to use.

Suddenly you have a bunch of Vessel Keepers latched onto elephantine toads poking them with psychotropics and whacking them on the sides with specialized riding crops to direct them into the enemy. As a result these animals used to wet ground and slow movement will probably hurt themselves in this enraged state, picture a Rhino or Elephant leaping 10 feet into the air over and over. The Giant toads will have long since stopped hopping to move normally if they are Elephant large and instead trundle, but the muscle structure and instincts would still be present.

You don't need a new species or breed to make something usable for war, just the need.

>>39421190
dammit man tell us where this is from

>>39430504
5 seconds doing google search got me here
http://toxictoothpick.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>39430395
Yeah, I get what you're saying, it just feels a little silly to not at least try to make a giant toad that won't hurt it itself, seriously or not, in nattle,

What are we thinking in terms of appearance? Humanoid? Just Smart Worms? what do they use to hold weapons/tools?

>>39431907

I was thinking large size, and two tentacle arms, naga-like body.

>>39431907
Should it be naga-eqsue half-human half-leech, with blood sucking mouths? That would enable leech waifus.

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>>39421134
I kept trying to get the threads up but they died off quickly.

Was one of the major contributors

>>39432014

And I liked your art

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>>39432014
lol I wasn't that drawanon, I was beelzebuddy the one to come up with the religious stuff like Beelzebub, Myagria and the Great Maggot

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>>39431958
>>39431950
>>39431907

>>39418685
So no cute leech girls.

Damn.

>>39432172

Yeah, but like a long body.

>>39432278
They could be hermaphrodites but adopt a standard binary gender system. I mean, these are our creations we're talking about; while they need to follow the basic structure/behavior of leeches, we can take some creative liberties.

>>39432469
Hermaphrodites but they decide what they wish to identify as? I can dig it.

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>>39426240
>32 means you're as stupid as 32 people trying to make a decision.
>I can't get 3 friends to pick a god damn restuarant, how the fuck would someone with 32 brains manage anything

>>39422546
>Perhaps they worship rain.
They are aquatic. and If there is one other thing that a leech needs to be happy its moisture.

Imagine the further they go outside their native "coastal" or "swampy" homelands the more desperate they are to worship rain or water.

Imagine how miserable it would be to be a Leechian Merchant in the Salty Desert.

>>39432539
Sounds much tumbler, but I guess in this case its not too egregious, since they Are what they are Identifying as, its just that they are also the other at the same time.

Felt like I needed to knee-jerk hate for a moment there, but I think its passed.

>>39432873
she would simply die, the Hirudos porous skin would make him very susceptible to the salt, drying it out. They would rarely if ever travel to such a place as it would be tantamount to a human traveling through a magma flow.

>>39432991
>Felt like I needed to knee-jerk hate for a moment there, but I think its passed.
Chill mang. Leeches can be whatever Gender they want, yo

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I done made a doodle /tg/ what do you think?

Creative liberties with the weird jangly bits on the head. Feelers that get re-purposed as "hair" or beards whenever they got polite company over.

>>39433429

Nice art. I am pretty sure leeches have lots of eyes, but good liberties taken, nonetheless.

http://bogleech.com/leeches.html

For all our Leech info needs

>>39433504
And yeah you're right, Leeches can have a very random number of eyes

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>>39433504
Thanks man.

The eyes thing is interesting. Sort of figured them to be as blind as Worms.

>>39433549
>Leeches can have a very random number of eyes

Is it a species by species thing? Or individual? Maybe the number of eyes can be something we can play with. Whats a good ballpark figure I can keep in mind for "eye" count.

I'd figure they'd be radially symmetrical at the lest.

How do you quantify this locomotion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvkC1shlFXE

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>>39433619
The number of eyes are one of essential factors in determining leech species.

Just a reminder that leeches don't fucking chuckle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkw6WMuFsL8

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>>39433724
So leeches aren't radial? but have a dorsal and ventral sides?

This new leech info is taken into account thanks.

>>39433909
that guy looks pretty strong.

....since leeches don't have tonsils, but are essentially one huge throat, would they be capable of some pretty deep singing tones?

>>39418379
>and then IT SUCKS.

>>39434018
leech bards. LEECH BARDS.

>>39433716
Yards per hour?

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>>39434018
Deeper than Samuel Ramey?

Gonna draw some leech singing now.

Enjoy some popular spiced blood drank.

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>>39434018
>>39434083
The Hirudan Choir is known for its rich music, but their majesty is often lost to those with ears unable to hear the exceptional low frequency crescendos they incorporate into their works.

also fire extinguishers, Greek Fire and napalm would be useless against them.(pic related)

>>39434308
Leeches turning their entire stretchy bellow like bodies into sonic weaponry, I love this

>>39434353

Good idea, coil up and compress that air.

>>39434353
Commander Bass Cannon! What do we do!
Release the Toads, and drop... the Bass
*WUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUBWUB*

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>>39434430
>>39434412
>>39434353
Pressure and Sound Magics

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>>39434353
Leech Opera!
I love it.

Who ever keeps making these drawings you have my deepest thanks.

>>39434757

Noice

>>39430199
>Elysia chlorotica
That's some cool shit right there! Just looked that up.

http://www.bogleech.com/mortasheen/bogweasel.htm

>>39421411
Why not landwhales? Or maybe skywhales, even?

>>39435341
mammoths and elephants ARE landwhales.

Flying animals are rather more difficult to herd, but whatever flies your boat.

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>>39434836
>>39434852
Aw gee. Thanks guys. I've been needing an excuse to draw stuff for /tg/ for a while now.

Plus I'm learning about leeches. So thats neat.

>>39435341
>Why not landwhales?
Where would they hunt? Tumblr?

>>39435532
You that anon from Cyclop Civ that drew all the God-Kids?

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>>39435606
Yes, and that and the Tarot Cards and whatever miscellaneous stuff i can fit in. I haven't been too busy since the quest is on haitus.

Its kind of nice to be recognized.

>>39435532

Noice

How do they think blood tastes for them?

Do you think there'd be blood connoisseurs? Blood cocktails of various sorts?

How would they treat drinking blood of sentient races like men elves and dwarves?

Would Gnome blood taste like Pixie sticks and tinfoil? Orc blood taste like bicycle tires and bacon grease?

>>39435892

Maybe they'd spice /ferment their blood.

>>39435799
it was the eyes and tendril hair.

I know, I'm in withdrawl from it but at least they return next week I ithink

>>39435901
Spiced blood might be a thing, also blood pies and blood sausage. I doubt they would do to much of it as it would tempt them to return to their baser ways. the ways of the Wasters.

Being 5+ feet long with a primary bite attack that is full of anticoagulants I can see their pre-social life being littered with bodies and being driven out at spear point.

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>>39428031

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>>39436408

I can totally picture the spicing.
Honestly I haven't drunk blood much.
You know other than sucking on elbow wounds as a kid.

But still, its a goofy thought I had.

Blood Dranks! Come in various flavors. From Frog Brand, to Ahab's Finest, and Man Flavor, and Bunch of Stuff stirred in a Vat.

Exotic flavors include Orc, Gnome, and Dwarf. The third option being indistinguishable from drinking straight alcohol with iron filings in it.

Elf blood is organic.

>>39435901
That might be an interesting thing. Are they a savage race trying to act civilized? They drink blood after all. but they raise blood bearing animals, and deal with blood filled races. They gotta look pretty. of course I wonder what happens when an adventurer breaks a leg around them.

While there might be a yearly "BIG DRINK" do you think they'd off set it by little meals across the year?

>>39436521
>Dwarf blood has a foam head
>My sides

>>39418379
>anthropomorphic leeches.
Vampires?

>>39436632

Vampires have cultural baggage on them. Leeches are a fresh slate.

>>39436632
Yeah what >>39436643 said.
Vampires are basically human Medieval Aristocracy, except somehow slightly worse.

Our Leechfolk can have a different angle.
We've got Blood farming, baritone singers with sonic and psychic magic, and perhaps a rocky transition from "savage" beasts into more civilized society that they could've experienced or are experiencing.

I had the worst idea ever
Hirudan Bondage which consists in the host's blood to be sucked then wait for a moment to have the weird "effects" [If someone has donated blood, you'd know what kind of "effects" i am talking about] and then suck it more then rinse and repeat till the host's mind feel likes he took a bowl of acid.

>>39436722
I'm thinking the young exist in swarms in pools like the Mindflayer tadpoles, mindless and hungry. Blood sausages are tossed in periodically for the young'ns to eat, sometimes whole critters as they grow.

The could reach a cannibalistic age and the consumption of leech flesh triggers their next metamorphosis into adults

>>39436808
What if the elder Hirudans give them blood that makes them smarter?
Like uhh...fish blood.

>>39436779
> [If someone has donated blood, you'd know what kind of "effects" i am talking about]

I haven't myself but sort of want to now.

All this talk of blood donating has got me thinking.

Do Leechfolk make awesome cookies? Or enjoy sugary fruit? and perhaps supplementary diet stuff in general.

we've talked about blood sausages and blood cocktails. But what else is there.

>>39436928
Seafish blood and minced seafish meat. Fulla protein. Also would be cool for a quest.
>Hunter! Our children need their fish-meats, are you a bad enough Hirudonean to go to the Big Salt Sea and catch some for us?

>>39436722
>Blood farming
I think they should get some farmers near the outskirts of the swamp, where it's more like plains, and breed typical livestock
Make some mean steak with their high-blood cows

>>39437015
What about giant swamp boar? They can get up to 700 pounds and with domestication giant mudwallowing pigs would be perfect livestock and beasts of burden for a swamp-dwelling folk

>>39436928
Do fish have blood? I thought they had something slightly differenty going on with their blood composition. Still i like the idea.

Are we running with something "innately" magical with the blood? or is blood just blood?

If its innately magical maybe blood letted from elder Hirudians could shape and nourish the mind in unprecedented ways. Could be a sign of class.

>>39437100
>>39436928
Do leeches themselves have blood? or something different? Maybe a Hirdudian leechfolk could nurse their kids by having them suck off them? Or kissing blood into their little mouths.

Like a momma bird.

>>39436956
There is Blood cake. Basically just congealed blood, its fairly common in the south pacific if I recall correctly, though I have no clue haw we somehow twist this into Cake. Plus basic carnivore fare trending toward Rare->bloody/raw.

>>39437134
People in the leech farming/pet hobby use blood sausages which are (of course) super rare and raw bloody bits of various meat packed into skins. They literally just drop them into the tanks and the leeches latch up sucking it dry. Other leeches like those they raise for bait are few with chunks of raw chicken liver that they eat.

There are in fact saltwater leeches. There is even one that mimics a Seahorse almost perfectly

http://bogleech.com/leeches.html has some pretty good info about the various types of leech

>>39437100
>>39437131
yes they have blood... how... I don't... I guess you have never fished? cleaning a fish is a bloody affair. Then again so is any disembowelment.

>>39437054
Swamp Boar like that are aberrations caused by our own finagling. basically domestic Pig escaped and breed with the local boar causing these monsters. at least thats what I last heard when that kid bagged a 900lb.er

How about clothing and armor? Metal or at least metals that degrade from oxidation are a no go. Wood/bamboo mail? Cloth would most likely get to soggy to be practical, so probably sticking with cured hides.

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Common in freshwater swamps, sewers, humid jungles and damp caves, this small annelid vampire transfixes prey with its luminous gaze, painlessly saws through flesh with its three opposing tooth plates and bloats to nearly a globe as it messily suctions out blood and entrails. Gluttonous and simple-minded, it seldom takes care to preserve its food sources or moderate its intake, and may even regurgitate in mid-meal to continue feeding until nothing remains. It particularly relishes eyeballs as an "after-dinner snack."

Bogweasel are fond of music, and may attempt to "sing along" to any melody in their territory even while attempting to feed upon its source.

>>39437218
huh. so leeches can be omnivorous. interesting. so the leech race doesn't have to run exclusively on blood.

>>39437134
>Blood Cake
so would that be like... eating a giant scab?

Are our leech folk capable of chewing? or do they have to chase blood cake with some water or blood?

Any Leechfolk requests? I just doodled a few more blood cocktails.

Fire Blend- If it was possible to make fire bleed, this might be the result. Heavily spiced with peppers, cinnamon, and fire salts procured from foreigner mages.

Ice Giant- Cool and refreshing like winterment, a must for a young leech folk on the go. Helps one's breath smell... slightly palatable to other sapient races.

Elf Blood- It is "Organic". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki7VqBmkf7M

Yes I'm having a whole lot of silly fun.

>>39437337
A Big Meal of blood spread out over time supplemented with plantstuff and smaller doses of blood

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>>39437371
Helps if i remember to post my image.

>>39437299
>yes they have blood... how... I don't... I guess you have never fished?
I knew fish had blood. Just wondered if it was different because adapted to sealife. Crabs have blue blood after all.

The leech blood thing was a matter of curiosity. Made some stupid assumption that it must be different because they also drink it.

It doesn't help I don't live anywhere near water, fish, or anything. But thats why i'm here. To learn.

>>39437371
>Any Leechfolk requests?
A leechfolk mage?
Speaking of magic, I kinda like that "magic drain" idea for using magic an earlier anon had.

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>>39437371
no its kind of a big brown jelly. It has a consistency sort of like tofu.

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>>39437457
I'll get right on that.

I was wondering if they could channel magic out of Mouth Hands. or is mouth hands an overused fantasy thing?

>>39437563
I think the only place where I've seen mouths used as manipulator organs is the Known Space series.

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>>39437457
I have a couple.
A Vessel Keeper: I was picturing them as ascetic herders, with their herb pouches and and salves to counter their bite during harvesting maybe with a toad or boar?

A Waster: basically a Hirudan who doesn't give a fuck, drain'em dry! Monch them down! Engorge on the lifeblood of any and all!

>>39437648
Thinking about it, what are the traditional classes of Hirudoneans?
Aforementioned Vessel Keepers
Aforementioned Wasters
Spawn Tenders, those who look over the young 'uns

Also, what if blood cakes are made for journeying Hirudoneans? They're just cubes of dried blood right? So to eat them, a Hirudonean only needs a bit of water to dilute a cube, and drink it. Or just pop a blood cube and drink some water.

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>>39437457

Here's your mage. If the thread or threads keep going I'll might reattempt with a bit more "diversivied" wizard look, other than the usual Hood and Staff combo.

>>39437648
Might attempt a quick doodle of these next. wasters seem like a good "let loose" drawing anywho.

>>39437648
On the subject of harvest. How would they harvest? I assume its more than sticking their face on a super toad/boar then regurgitating it into a wine cask. Seems kind of unsanitary, by human standards.

>>39437770

I say the Hirudo need artists.

Maybe something involving their own slime? Art with blood?

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>>39437980

With an abattoir that keeps the subject alive

>>39437980
I don't know, maybe just a simple bite to open the wound and coat it in anti-coagulants then collecting it like the image of the Maasai>>39421864.

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>>39437648
Here's a waster. A quick one at that. how's the pose? Significantly "Desperate" and "Brutish" enough?

I've had an idea in my head for Hirudo society. Since blood is their most vital commodity, it can be assumed that whoever controls the most amount of blood is the most powerful.

It goes without saying that there are going to be leeches with more blood than others. I think that these wealthy leeches can lease their cow/frog/whale whatever they use to drink blood in exchange for favors or goods.

>>39438228
Looks like something that is a warrior or a Hirudan that went berzerk and wanted to eat more blood.

>>39438228

It does, but I think that looks like a pre-feeding one.

I actually see this conflict as the most driving issue in their society. If a waster binges on blood and gets too full to do anything, they're a drain to their society since it is (leech)manpower that is being spent by hibernation.

The life of a waster would be feast and famine, since I doubt any leech would want to do business with someone that has no self-control.

>>39438257
they just taste so good.

Speaking of warriors, how would the military or martial members of this society work? What purpose or function they serve?

Do they have to fight other tribes or states for resources? Do they have to hunt for other sentients or animals to harvest? Or are they defensive in nature, having to deal with their negative rap as blood suckers and warding off crusaders?

>>39438322

First of all, I think that projectile weapons should be the natural focus of the leeches, since they can spit on their ammo, and make their enemies bleed out . Of course, they can do the same to their melee weapons, but a volley of hemorrhaging crossbow bolts would be devastating.

Additionally, I think that bellowers from the Harudin choir can rally the troops, and use sonic energy by gathering air in their throats and expelling it.

If Hirudo magic is based off of blood, maybe they can make spells that don't affect a certain bloodline?

Like throwing fireballs into melee that doesn't kill leeches.

>>39438322
I think it would be the second former because they'd need to hunt to harvest blood.

And if they're called blood suckers or something like "WORMPIRES!!" they'd respond "We don't sparkle, we are not vampires"

>>39438396

Why do they need to harvest blood, from humanoids when they can use efficient ranching instead?

>>39418513
They use the term, "Worth it's weight in blood" when talking about value substances and/or murder.

How do they see feeding from sentients? Is it like a taboo delicacy or is blood just blood?

>>39438494

I sort of like the idea of feeders and keepers being explored here. A keeper would rely on their traditional ranching/societal system to get food, so they wouldn't need to go harassing people for blood, since they could possibly indenture themselves to a leech lord for blood in return for service.

I see a waster as a leech that fallen through the cracks of their society, that eats whenever they want, and whatever they want.

Since they'd be outcasts, most demihumans would probably see these monsters the most, draining humanoids dry for a snack.

So the keepers would say that they don't need to prey on sentient, while a waster would value their appetite above all else, and drain sentient if it was convenient.

oh man, I was just letting my imagination wander and realized that entering the Hirudo territory with ill intent would lead to an epic fight. I'm going to do a little writing.

>>39438494
I think it would be a decadent delicasy. Something only considered in the more "well off" areas. While sustainable ranching exists there are leeches in the higher eschelons that go "Yo, I'm tired of frog blood and pig blood, lets try something else". Again this is assuming theres something special or identifiable about blood.

This doesn't mean that the higher ups would hunt sentients down, no that's savage and needlessly cruel, they'd be no better than wasters. But they'd pay top dollar for "Donations" from any adventurer or merchant travelling through their lands.

Might even take blood as a tax for any "outsider"medical care.

This does depend on if blood has a "Taste".

>>39438573
Low frequency bursts slam into you men from every direction, disorienting you, but you press on. You need to find the spawning pool and drive out these monsters out for good, the magistrate wants to begin logging operations in a fortnight. Now you see the enemy, slimy bodies armored in hides coated in patches of marsh grass to blend into their surroundings, but now that you know what to look for your band is ready. They try to drive you back with sling fired shot and light crossbow fire.

You must be getting close you begin to encounter them in had to hand, polished clubs are the order of the day and that damned bellowing. The party sorcerer gets ambushed he was dead weight anyway, burned most of his combat spells on bushes early in the incursion. No matter, Onward, we are almost there.

>>39438627

This is actually a good idea, a toll paid in blood.

In that case, I bet that they're eager for rare humanoids/humanoid offshoots to go through their territory, and those people might be subject to multiple bouts of taxation.

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>>39437648
Here's a blood farmer/vessle keeper.
He's filling up a glass cask from a wound. and preparing to "close up" the wound.

Drawing megatoad though lead me to a realization. Aren't toads and frogs predators? wouldn't making huge ones mean there are things with long stickyass tongues the size of elephants, that can eat slithery wormy things that farm them for blood?

Could be an interesting balance frankly. You know you did the blood letting wrong when a CattleToad eats you.

>>39418513
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>>39438658

Maybe that's how they build that caste/strata of society up.

Through volunteers that invariably get eaten. Maybe there are a few select families that have been doing it for so long the toads got used to them.

As for the food for toads, that is indeed a conundrum.

>>39420750
technically, leeches shouldn't be anthropomorphic, have families, or really anything mentioned in this thread but fuck everything if common sense is going to stop /tg/ from doing a rehash of an idea that's been done to death before

>>39438640
Ssssssslurp. It is sad that the man (thats what they call themselves yes?) had to die. but they were to close now, the young were in danger, and his arcane blood would empower your defense. Arcane power, unlike the druid who offers jars of his blood in exchange for marsh herbs, its full of aggression and bubbly, also spicy somehow. Tapping into the new found energies you unleash sound, light, and force driving them east... they must go east, or they will find the spawning pools. You hope the ones in the east are ready.

A mage! they had a Mage! that wasn't in the reports. Without the sorcerer you cant face it directly, best to loop around to the east you leave a few men to feign pushing onward, peasant hires, and quickly find the marsh opens up most of the grasses stamped flat and fewer trees. Then that bellowing started up again.

There they were, a dozen well armed Humans wanting to do us harm. you prick the mottled flesh of the great toad right between its eyes, this will inure it to the pain in the task ahead, you see its pupils constrict and feel it shift, now is the time. You Bellow the charge call, and lead the Elite Hirudo, their sashes emblazon with the tribes heraldry. these unmarked ones will feed the honored and their leader shall nourish the young.

The deep rumbling roar of a croak hits your men like a wall of terror as the ten ton monster smashes into the clearing, in two bounds it slams through your men and in its wake a swarm of leech-men their skin tattooed and their battle regalia as ornate as any knight you had seen. you had made an error. these weren't mindless monsters, you had just incurred the wrath of a kingdom! or well... your employer did. You hold up the writ of hire and begin shouting for quarter when the toad comes through on its second pass.

>>39438650
There might be something they'd have to give back, in order to encourage people to cross through their territory.

Either you get paid to bleed your way through Leechman territory, or you bleed instead of pay for anything in Leechlands, saves one on actual gold coin, cheap passage for a money savvy adventurer.

Of course they could always squat on important mountain passes, or set up townships on important trade routes JUST to "tax" people.

>>39421642
Less of a Hive mind, more like the inability to get beheaded. They'll regenerate lost/damaged segments and new brains in time, but meanwhile they keep many copies of the same mind.
I'd also like to propose an alternate species of leech, which would be the standard leech people what ogres are to humans.
While the metabolism of a Hirudo (>>39421462 nice name btw) they have a much larger cousin species that they sometimes live alongside.
These creatures are intelligent ambush predators. They can communicate with their psychic cousins, but their telepathy is not as powerful. But it is useful for hunting.
The Dire Hirudo can detect creatures near it with it's mind, and it's psychic influence makes prey easier to catch.
Otherwise they are not very smart or active, but when they need to they are incredibly strong and swift. They often will attack all out because they can regenerate their wounds after they kill their prey. Unlike the standard Hirudo, the Dire Hirudo do not keep blood slaves, and prefer to swallow their prey whole and spit out the bones afterwards.

>>39438658
Leeches could naturally secrete a slime that is distasteful to the megafrogs so they know not to swallow them up.

>>39438732

Maybe the leeches are neutral ground for trading?

>>39438685
>As for the food for toads, that is indeed a conundrum.
If there are big ass toads, one must assume there are big ass bugs they gotta eat.

Plus they're fat and immobile, which might make them great sentries for their lands. Screw "forcing" toads to hop and attack people. they just sit around waiting for an inattentive bloke in heavy armor and then with a FWIP of a tongue, munch on a knight.

>>39438685
Boars, their blood is gamey, and they breed like mad. Also the boar doesn't need its blood inside it to nourish a toad.

>>39438757
why cant leechmen just be monsters

like, who don't really have an organized society and economics

like we're talking about an asexually reproducing organism here, not exactly an organism which invests a lot of resources into its offspring

What do you think of this idea?

When a Hirudo dies a good and honorable death, the relatives of that Leech render his body down to a liquid state(or just drink his blood).

His blood would "Strengthen" his kindred, and he'd sort of literally gain a symbolic of immortality by becoming part of the clain.

What about blowguns or the like for range weapons for them? They can coat the darts in their anti-coagulant saliva and use their uber lungs to shoot the barbed darts with immense force and precision.

Sniper leeches

>>39429134
Of course they would, but I expect they would rather be inside the toad then riding outside of it.
Most likely inside the mouth, so that it can attack enemies that get swallowed by the toad. A Hirudo would definitely be able to cast a spell or use a weapon while also attached to a giant toad.

>>39438791
Similar to that South American tribe that eats their relatives ashes mixed with banana paste?

>>39438788
Because I want a leech waifu

>>39438794

Good idea. Maybe they can even do a double whammy, and coat some toxic frog slime on it too.

>>39438757
Realizing that being a species of blood suckers makes them a bit of a target the Leech set out to become a neutral banking society, where they keep up the international currency standards as they relate to blood (instead of gold).
Probably stupid since blood isn't a finite resource, but it amused me to think of a bunch of snooty Leech bankers.

>>39438810

Yeah, mortuary cannibalism.

>>39438839
The ghouls in the Ghoul Civ do the same, eating the flesh and brains of their fallen in some ritualized feast

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How are the leeches bashing the brains out of people in melee combat?

Clubs?

>>39434565
One spell could be divination of sound waves.
Perhaps one individual creates the sound waves in a holy pool of blood and the shamans read the ripples to predict the future or tell fortunes.

So, I think it's time to talk about Leech courtship rituals.

I am imagining something with bathing, or applying pleasant smelling oils to their body, and paints that color the leeches into enticing colors to attract a mate.

>>39438861
From my story>>39438640 I was thinking Shillelagh, but ya probably clubs, maybe bo staffs, stone mauls for the hyperthyroidy Hirudo.

Blowguns and slings would be the most likely candidates, bows wouldn't agree with the moist environment(and user) but a well maintained crossbow would probably work.

What sports would they like? I think wrestling sounds.

>>39437337
Well, I'd expect that most creatures that manage to evolve into sapience would be at least slightly omnivorous whether or not they started out as an herbivore or carnivore.
Intelligent leeches probably would require some nutritional support not found in blood.

>>39438971

That could also justify trade with other races.

>>39438896
That sounds like Waster talk! Ooooh cabals of Blood mages and warlock Hirudo who encourage Waster-ism. definitely not the good guys.

>>39438912
don't forget suction. Leeches can get a prodigious pressure lock, makes kissing look like casual shit.

>>39439000

Maybe they get into some bit coiled knot of lovemaking, or try to assert strength or dominance.

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>>39438816
Ask and you shall receive.

>>39439032
Thank you based anon

How is "waster" status reached?

I have a few ideas.

1.It is proposed as an alternate philosophy to the Keeper lifestyle, a way to be a "real" Hirudo.

2.They are like that from birth

3.Societal/Economic disadvantage tries them to it.

4.The condition is magically imposed, or a curse.

>>39439012
Clacking teeth plates for the more casual/simple intimate display since a mouth lock would intone feeding/aggression/passion.

I think I'm scary levels of sleep deprived because the image of teenage Hirudo clacking teeth for the first time just made me 'daw'.

>>39439032

Can you draw a hibernating waster, that got it's fill of blood?

Maybe their "hair" gets long and disheveled while they're like that?

>>39439000
>makes kissing look like casual shit.
Yes. Lets make it Zoidburg tier weird shit.

But that said, they're hermaphroditic right? Do regular leeches need a mate in order to give birth? Or do they work asexually? They have love darts like snails right?

>>39439070

Sounds cute to me too.

>>39439088

They need a mate to reproduce, and they're hermaphrodites. They have the love darts too.

>>39439100
>They have the love darts too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pHNkOQCIzk

>>39439069
1 and 3 I think fit best.
magical imposition and birth would be conditions to be treated.
someone mentioned Feeder earlier, maybe that's what they call themselves. Ultimately a Feeder lead tribe would bleed out the pray in a region in short order and then run into and murder sentient races. Races that don't take well to having their blood sucked out and then bleeding out from a wound that wont close.

>>39439138

Don't forget that they'd be spreading disease too, assuming some Waster/Feeder victims survive.

I think the Hirudan would have developed a coagulant they can use on their livestock to prevent bleeding once they're done draining or feeding. Maybe even trade it to the outsiders as a combat medical aid, rapid wound sealing

Crap, I forgot threads on /tg/ autsage.

Anyone care for a round 2 when we get to page 10?

>>39439188

That's true, but at the same time, if those nations went to war against the Hirudan, wouldn't that eliminate a Hirudan advantage?

>>39439188
That's what the Vessel Keepers keep with them. outsiders praise them as doctors of prodigious skill, even though the powders and salves are meant for food preparation and care.

>>39439214
Living in swamps think their technology involves Fungal goods like Mycelium ropes or fungal clothe? Plus medical mushrooms and molds and slimes would be useful for them in trade or alchemy and medicine

>>39439234
totally! in the story above a druid apparently traded jars of blood for some.

>>39439202
Im game for a round two! im probably going to pass out soon with dreams of blushing Hirudan waifus.

haha, all Hirudan action is Girl on Girl, but its also BoyLove so everyone wins!

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>>39439085
Do you think their bellies get full at all? I got a sort of "proto" sketch done.

I really think the keeper/waster idea was good, since that lets both camps get their cake and eat it too.

Leeches as monsters, or organized in a more civilized society.

How vulnerable would they be to slashing or piercing kinds of damage? I mean, it seems like slicing a vulnerable belly would be pretty nightmarish to these guys

>>39439325

I think they do, but lets say a Hirudin weighs 200 pounds.

The odds of getting around 400 pounds of blood in one sitting seem tremendously unlikely.