>>39407891
I think reading this caused me an aneurysm, and I am usually pretty relaxed about such. Do you want to annoy him or do you want to kill the poor man? Because I am pretty sure he'd probably rage himself apart.

>>39407891
Sounds like a fucking stupid idea, why not just sons of malice using the GK rules? Bound demons and shit to kill other demons.

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>>39407891
What are SoMs?

Malal is the worst 40k meme.

>>39408117
>>39408163

I like the SoM, their paint job is awesome.

However that is a recognized part of the fluff and as such will not have the desired effect. I want to annoy this fucker and cause him some minor psychological torture.

Petty, I know, but there you have it.

And yes I have tried talking to him like a responsible adult. It doesn't work. No matter the grievance he blames his Aspergers Syndrome that he self diagnosed.

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>>39408236
How is he a meme?

>>39408253
>making an entire army for the sole purpose of trolling a faggot
Congrats, you are now That Guy. Next time just try refusing to interact with him instead of fighting autism with autism.

>>39408259
>Malal
>Look at my super edgy chaos god of chaos guys.
> Hes the 5th chaos god, but i guess you didnt know that because youre newfags XD

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>>39408253
I'm not sure what to say about that. Aside from you're probably corrupted by Slaanesh and or Tzeentch.

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>>39407891
Why not? Have them be from an alternate universe where everything swapped.
Horus, Fulgrim, Angron, and the few remaining Humanist Primarchs hide within the Eye of Slaanesh, a Warp portal of comfort and serenity, protecting the last dregs of humanity under their care from the corrupted Emperor and his twisted loyalist sons. This time the Grey Knights are an elite evil force specifically created to kill Humanist Primarchs and the forces of Balance that seek to protect them. Alternate Heresies are always fun to mess with.

>>39408311
Thats not even close to what a meme is

5/10 b8, your sheer retardation got me.

>>39408259
the meaning of "meme" becomes wider and wider with each passing week, sure it might have encompassed this specific finctional deity at some point

>>39408311
So he's more edgy than the living God of pain and rape?

>>39408340
But why?

>>39408376
Probably teens new to the internet, normies or others trying to change the definition of words to suit their views, look at /tv/ and you'll see how the word has lost all meaning and become a meme in and of itself, kind of amusing.

>>39407891
Your dudes.

>>39408253
>And yes I have tried talking to him like a responsible adult. It doesn't work. No matter the grievance he blames his Aspergers Syndrome that he self diagnosed.
I know that feel. Fuck him up.

>>39408340
>the meaning of "meme" becomes wider
Connotation, not denotation.

>>39408319
Not really. Just look at the Hektor Heresy, AKA "40k in name alone, because the only things we didn't change are the existence of the Emperor and the Chaos Gods".

I can't think of a single one which did t turn into a mass of concentrated circlejerking.

>>39408410
I get it.

>>39408253
Or you could just, y'know either not talk to him or tell him to fuck off and leave you alone, instead of wasting your cash and time on a one-time gimmick that will *also* cause anyone else you play against to think you are a moron.
>"But it's an ironic army!"
Won't protect you from, at best, groans and eyerolling.
But, hey, whatever floats your boat, man. If you ate convinced that this MUST be done, go nuts. Use chaos custodians lead by chaos emperor for maximum effect.

>>39408302
I would just love to not interact with him and indeed try my best for this to be the case.

Sadly the stench, like any gas, expands to fill any container it is in. In this case his rotting meat and cheeto BO permeates the entire store. Also we have friends in common and I'm not the sort of asshole to make them choose "me or him".

Also it's not just to annoy him, I will be playing with them and the idea has a certain odd apeal to me.

>>39408319
I like that.

Red Magnus sitting on the Black Throne at the heart of the eye, beaming a psychic light that repels the forces of the Dread Emperor. For now they can not get in but neither can any escape. Its a galactic siege.

>>39408472
>chaos custodians lead by chaos emperor

I actually like this idea although it would be Custodes Infernal

>>39408441
The Hektor Heresy was an interesting idea at first but yeah. Now it seems to have become the proverbial dead horse.

>>39408557
>Custodes Infernal
>Not Cerberos Corps

One job anon..one job..

what would the Good aspects of the Chaos Gods be?

Mother Nurgle, Virgin Mary/Isis like figure, patron of birth, new life, and growth

Korne as God of Honour, Valor and Duty, like the Paladin's God

Slannesh as Goddess of beauty and love, patron of art and creativity

Tzeentch as God of knowledge and exploration, patron of craftsmen and inventors, giver of wisdom

>>39408507
That's a great idea, it flips up the inherent siege mentality of regular 40k and Cadia, and makes it a literal, back-to-the wall siege. Now Crusades are dangerous raids out into hostile relapse for supplies, information, and attempts at rescuing valuable individuals from tyranny and death.

Moration, Peturabo, and Dorn would end up being pivotal if it's a galactic siege. Because of his scythe and the Death Guard, I can see Moration being interested in the plight and resiliency of the farmers, enduring through good harvests and bad, with seeds waiting in the ground for eventual springtime. But springtime was long, long, ago, and his scythe reaps men more than wheat. Similar to the Roman general who wanted to go back to his farm. Was that Cinncinatus? Plus, we don't get much characterization for Moration anyways so why not?

>>39408716
I actually prefer the idea of the Black Emperor being the Champion of the dark gods and his sons are out to stop him.

>>39408756
I like the idea of a hilariously edgy universe and a small bastion of otherwise regular folks

>>39408716
Not so different than the regular Chaos gods, just that instead of being mostly evil and a little bit good, they're mostly good and a little bit evil. In this context Nurgle would focus more on the life-death-rebirth cycle rather than just life and death of noxious things. Think the flower woman form Fantasia 2000's Firebird Suite.

I could see Khorne as a paladin-ish god, but one that is teetering on the edge of becoming the evil Khorne everyone knows in 40k. Everyone acknowledges it and so there's a continuance of dichotomy. Also a focus on service in favor of others. "Love not the sword for its sharpness or the warrior for his glory but I love that which they protect" sort of deal. How does this sound?

>>39408756
There's already an alternate Heresy thread like that look on 1d4chan.

It could also make things interesting in the context of the wider galaxy. Now there are attempted exoduses to the Eye of Slaanesh (Slaanesh's Embrace?) by "regular people" or formerly edgy Space Marines that reconnected with humanity in some way or want to try and do so. Meanwhile the Emperor and his Space Marines along with the Loyal Primarchs try to stop them.

Eldar and Dark Eldar don't really need to change I think. Perhaps there's a conflict of interest where the Eldar accidentally created Slaanesh as a force for good but wiped out their galactic empire in the process. Sort of a "Do we want to go begging for sanctuary to the god-thing that destroyed almost all our race in its birth spasms?" Also, why should we concern ourselves with these humans?" Basically similar questions as in canon but with the fundamental Slaanesh motivation turned around.

Tau would obviously be full on 1984, "a place for everything and everything in its place".
Tyranids remain giant space bugs.

Less a noblebright 40k, more a Siege 40k.

Now at the close of the 41st millennium, there are whispers that the Hated Emperor may be rising from his Throne on Terra. Someday soon, He will stride the galaxy once more in a final battle to crush the flickering embers held within Slaanesh's Embrace with his sons at his side or arrayed against him. No gate, no pillory, no design of Man or Eldar or God shall hold him. On that day, the assault on the Last Bastion will decide the fate of Mankind....

I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. Opinions?

>>39408319
>>39408507
>>39408684
>>39408716
>>39408717

Cadia, the Break in the Wall, held open for untold ages by the pylons. It is only by the sacrifice of the brave men and women of that blighted world that the Imperium is kept out and hope kept in. Under the ever watchful eye of Abaddon the Bulwark, Master of the Black Legion, the gateway has been and will always be, blocked. By the will of the gods his vigil is blessed and unbroken.

For a hundred long centuries the Slaver Imperium has besieged the worlds of the Eye and for a hundred long centuries their efforts have been frustrated. By the psychic might of Magnus the Blind their ships flounder in ethereal tides. But it is a struggle. For all his might and the blessings of his gods the Imperim has a god of its own and it walks amongst them. A colossus in golden armour, wreathed in cold flame and frost, the Dread Emperor of Man.

By the toil of untold trillions the wall is shored up against the tide and by the blessings of Grandfather Nurgle they will endure
By the struggle of a hundred million armies the besiegers are washed away in a river of their own blood and with the might of Khorne the Warrior King their courage never falters.
By the cunning of the Old Sorcerer Tzneetch the shrewd determine new paths to the Dawn that all can only hope is coming.
By the grace of Slaanesh the Radiant Queen there is still reason to carry on.

As the Dark Millenium draws to a close the siege continues but it is a siege without end or relief in sight and it is a siege that must continue, for if humanity fails it will never recover.

>>39409013
Much better than my paltry attempt. The Emperor should be like the Old Testament Angels or Cthulhu-esque. Human in form and word, but terrifying and wondrous to look upon, inspiring terror and awe in his subjects. Under his gaze, endless armies throw themselves mindlessly at the walls of the Eye and upon their bodies the Siege Breakers, the Astartes walk. They were and are built in his image, to be both slaver and slave. Mightiest of His chattel but still bound to His will and His dominion. They hold countless worlds in their cold iron fist, heedless of the chains that stretch from their own necks to the hand of the Emperor.

But there are few, all too few, who are not happy in their slavery. There are a few, shining examples of Astartes who remember where they came from and who they are. They are the Breakers of Chains, the Humanist Astartes who send entire subsections in exodus towards the Eye and the hope for a better tomorrow. They are few in number compared to the Loyalist Legions and many of the Breakers of Chains are destroyed in the same race and exodus that they inspire and lead. Those that remain are scattered Companies or leaderless groups that unite under the ebony power armor of the Black Legion. In the Legion, your past is forgotten, your crimes redeemed. In the Legion, all fight for a better future, building bulwarks with their own cremate and flesh. For the Gods and for Humanity.

Why does this have to be 40k? We could actually make a pretty cool original setting here.

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I'm thinking that the Primarch list would look like

>Imperium

Leman Russ - Loyal dog that he is stayed at his masters side. Remains the Executioner.

Ferrus Manus - Strength is all that matters to him. The Emperor's soulless regime emphasizes this

Konrad Curze - Completely batshit crazy now. Unleashed when needed, chained up when not.

Corax -Serves the Emperor. Initially for lending assistance in his rebellion. Afterwards it was a power trip.

Lion El'Jonson - Control freak and obsessed with order. Current Imperium is heaven to him

Jaghatai Khan - Genuinely believes in the Imperium

>Imperium Secundus

Roboute Guilliman - Couldn't just abandon his people to the Emperor. Unlike Vulkan and Logar his realm had the strength to hold out. He organizes.

Vulkan - Ultramar was nearer when he and the last of his people left his dead world. He oversees the industries.

Rogal Dorn - Just happened to be closer to Ultramar than the Eye when shit went bad. He builds fortifications.

>Eye Siege

Logar - The most respected theologian in the Eye and beyond

Magnus the Red - He sits on the Black Throne.

Sanguinius -

Horus -

Perturabo - Siege Lord of the Edge Worlds,

Mortarion -

Angron -

Fulgrim - Champion of the Radiant Queen

>Who the fuck knows

Alpharius Omegon - They aren't in the Eye and have seldom come to its aid. They harry the forces of the Emperor but no one knows to what end or even if there is one.

One of the few Chapters of Astartes to escape in its entirety to the Eye is the Astral Claws, led by Huron Goldheart. His inspirational rhetoric and subtle avoidance of the tithing system allowed the renegade Astartes to build up their forces enough to amass a caravan of civilians under their protection and make a break for the nearby Maelstrom, another hole in realspace which leads directly to the Eye. Due to his Chapter's stunning success as well as their escape with the remnants of the Mantis Warriors and Lamenters, the Emperor and His Inquisition have tripled the guard on all warp storm sites, to ensure that the next desperate attempt does not succeed.

>>39409388
I can see Logar as just as inspirational and devotional, similar to a battlefield preacher, encouraging his brothers and human soldiers that there will be something better once the Siege is over.
Sanguinius lost his wings in the flight to the Eye, having them ripped from his back by Leman Russ, but the pain and loss of most of his Legion to the Space Wolves on Baal has made him more resilient in his grief. He and his Blood Angels work in close concert with Fulgrim and Slaanesh's Children, fighting off the Inquisition and seeding hope and rebellion among the Imperium. Sanguinius should be the crippled badass essentially.

I feel like Horus should be the first to turn against the Emperor and also the first to die, as the Emperor executes him in a public ceremony to demonstrate that even His own sons are not immune if they try to rebel. This instead makes many of the Primarchs begin covertly amassing resources to escape and sends Guilliman building the Imperium Secundus.

Angron serves as the counterpoint to Leman Russ's loyal lapdog. His legion, the War Hounds/World Eaters focus on destroying Imperial strongpoints to allow for Evacuation Fleets to enter and leave systems. This means though that Angron's legion is one of the hardest hit, as they assault the strongest points while the Death Guard take the heaviest fighting.

>>39409466
That is awesome. I'm imagining him getting fucked up by the Black Templars High Marshal.

They almost had to pour what was left of him around copious amounts of cybernetics. Nobody expected him to survive. Seems to be sustaining on sheer bloody mindedness.

Furious at the Primarch's betrayal, the Emperor drew upon all his knowledge of Primarchs and the Warp to create the Grey Knights, a force specifically designed to kill Primarchs and the servants of the Gods.
Perhaps the reason he can't create any more Primarchs is because one of the Humanist Primarchs (Sanguinius, Horus?) hurt him in some deep way that negates the possibility of geneseed creation from the Emperor directly. Now to create new Chapters the Emperor is cross-breeding different types from the existing stocks of geneseed he's got, but supplies are dwindling and the necessary equipment is scarce. (Courtesy of Alpha Legion raids)
That way it's a race between the Imperium and the Eye forces. Will the Emperor run out of geneseed and support before he can break open the Eye, or will the Humanist Primarchs run out of resources and soldiers to hold the gate closed?

I could also see the Necrons acting as a destabilizing Third Wheel, fucking up both the stability of beneficial Warp beings and taking over Imperial worlds. Perhaps they help the Imperium Secundus fight off Hive Fleet Behemoth?

>>39409673
Angron had the nails pulled out of his head. A priestess of Isha, mother and healer, proved that not all eldar are irredeemable.

Angron has a serious calm going on now. Outside of battle at least. In battle it's still maximum carnage all the time

The eldar at h the time of The Fall didn't actually die. Not death as such. Daemons of slaanesh, when they relax, look just like eldar.

>>39407891
>I'm doing something retarded to annoy one person
>AM I COOL YET? XDDD

No. It's just shit, like Ultramarine Orks or Biel-Tan Necrons.

>>39409987
Fantastic. This of course leads to the question: what do they look like when they're not relaxed? The answer: whatever you most desire.
>>39410057
Not to worry Anon, we're doing what tg does best: taking a shit thread and making it great.

>>39409388
I don't know, not sure if Dorn would break away. He was on Terra most of the time. Perhaps he's now channeled his love of fortifications into building siege machines and anti-warp devices to break open the Eye. So in a sense, he and Peturabo have taken up each other's roles. The siege breaker has become the builder and the builder has become a siege breaker. That could make for a really toxic-hate fuled antagonism.

Stupid hipsters, Malal was never even in 40k.

Is anybody else watching this thread? There's some good ideas in here and I don't want them ignored because of OP's foolishness/trolling.

>>39408787

Technically Nurgle does focus on the cycle of life and death, however he seems to focus on quantity rather than quality. (If you can quantify life in such a manner)

>>39407891

Honestly this sounds cooler than regular GK. And I'm not a GK hater, I just think GK are kind of boring. They would have been better if they had not been a flavor of Inquisition strong arms and were their own separate organization.

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>>39410362
He does. He's called Malice. Same guy, different name, less screen time. Look up the Sons of Malice.
>>39410373
Yep. Honestly this sounds like something the Word Bearers hand out.

>>39409388

Gotta add the bit about the Dark Angels Schism.

Luther turned half the Dark Angels away from the Cursed Imeprium and Lion, in his rage, struck him down. The Gods themselves interfered and spirited away the Fallen while Lion burned his homeworld in his madness.

>>39410596
I guess that just adds one more layer to everything? After all, within the Eye, there aren't many independent sources of information right? Or maybe there's too many sources of info, too many rumors, and the Word Bearers are putting them together to help unify the masses?

>>39408507
Talk to the store owner? Our FLGS's and GW require that you be cleanly in order to play in the store. Specifically:

"You are granted the opportunity to play in a sportsmanlike and hygienic gaming environment. Cursing, horseplay, excessive body odor and the like will not be tolerated."

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>>39411109
Yep. Once again, Lorgar's fanfiction has gained control of the minds of the people. The Horus Heresy series might not encourage people to worship the Chaos Gods, but whatever he's spewing in the Eye seems to be keeping the slaves of the traitor legions happy.

>>39408716
That's pretty much qhat they are already in normal 40k.
though add love too nurgle and tzeentch embodies hope.

>>39408716
Slaanesh should be the god of enjoyment in moderation.

>>39410274
Anon has a point. Lexicanum tells me Chogoris is in Utima Segmentum, and the Imperium already has Russ, so maybe we should switch Dorn and Jaghatai.

>>39414400
Probably better. Jaghatai was pretty bro-tier in Scars, so I can't see him just sticking around with Evil Emperor.

Bump for good story.

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>>39409388
I think the Lion could intentionally more closely parallel Lancelot in this reworked universe. Lancelot went rogue for a while before returning to Arthur's side during his battle with Mordred. Lion could easily be on the Imperium Secundus side, having made peace and joined up with Luther when he split from the Imperium, and because they couldn't survive on their own they joined the Imperium Secundus. But we could play up the fact that Gulliman knows his loyalties are ultimately to the Emperor and he's not really trusted.

Khan is just a warrior and warlord, and lives for the thrill of the battlefield and the rush of the kill. He sails with his hundreds-strong fleet throughout the Imperium to fight the forces of Chaos wherever they emerge, with the battle-barge Constantinius at their head. He avoids the bureaucracy as much as possible, since he feels it shackles him and prevents him from properly being the warrior his blood demands him to be. Unfortunately, that means he simply pillages for the supplies he needs and goes where he pleases instead of waiting for supply lines and chains of command. Only his utter loyalty to the Emperor keeps him in any sort of check.

Two Lost Legions and their primarchs are still alive and oppose both sides, hating their Father's Imperium but also hating their brothers who have abandoned and forgotten them.

I play an Ultramarine army I got for free and claim that they're Alpha Legionnaires at the end of my games, your dudes wouldn't bother me one bit

>>39416256
I like the idea of the Imperium Secundus and Jaghati being something of a third player trying to stay at the very least neutral to both sides. Guilliman knows the Secundus doesn't have the mystical force of the Gods to hold off the Emperor so he can't afford to openly flip off his father. Meanwhile, the Emperor is throwing all his resources, men, and geneses resources (which are in limited supply) at the Eye, hoping to crush the Humanist Primarchs, take their resources and geneseed to further his dominion. That means that Evil Empy can't afford to spend materiel on Ultramar and only attacks when there are planets, forge worlds, and resources to gain that will outweigh the losses.

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>>39407891
Just do Belakor with invisible deathstar of screamers. throw in a herald on a juggernaut and a tzeentch guy on a disc.

that will annoy anyone. especially with a couple packs of 20 hounds in there too.

I'm wondering where the eldar fall in all of this. Ulthwe I can imagine still being near Cadia but just over the border inside the Eye this time. They don't particularly like the humans in the Eye but they like the other humans a lot less.

Khaine is seen as the father of Khorne. A primordial god of killing and had rather than the more refined honourable warrior.

Isha is the bride of Nurlge and their beautiful daughter is Slaanesh.

Cegorach is considered the weird twin of Tzneetch as he is the undoer if plan

Those in the Eye believe the Omnissiah dwells in the heart f the Soul Forge.

>>39407891
I run GK and personally this sounds like an interesting idea. I mean, TitanFuckingDraigo has been in the Warp for some time...anything is possible.

>>39417924
Grey Knights really sound like they are under protection of Malal or the mystic "chaos god of order"

>>39407891
Don't call them Chaos Grey Knights, just call them Champions of Malal.
Ironically, their 5e dex, with Draigo (Avatar of Malal) and his pimp posse (Champions of Malal) were perfect for the idea.
>>39408163
Not at all what Malals chosen are reckoned to be.

where would the Legion of the Damned be in all of this mirror universe?

I would liek to think that they are the Legion of Be'lakor.

Be'lakor is a monotheist amongs polythists. He sees the Chaos as one entity with many faces. Its very much a minority faith, a strange old cult.

>>39410596
>He does. He's called Malice. Same guy, different name

Not the same guy though, just a homage to him.
Malal was an actual God, Malice is not.
Malal opposed the other Chaos Gods all the time, Malice works with them.

>>39418832
Malice is god but you can summon him to normal space, like C'Tan and Emperor
And he never works with chaos. Deamons Sons of Malice use are either in chains or in robes(no idea why) Its more like he uses Chaos against Chaos

>>39417363
>Those in the Eye believe the Omnissiah dwells in the heart f the Soul Forge.
And their honest worship makes them right.

What about Ynnead? Perhaps s/he is something of a rival to Slaanesh? A god of death representing solitude and grim determination as opposed to a god of life representing togetherness and being emotionally driven.

Also, perhaps Magnus sitting on the throne has amplified his power to the point where he is like a lesser god in and of himself.

>>39419882
Magnus the Blind may be poweful but most of that power is being used to broadcast interferance.

The Emperor can, with the use of the astronomican, detect warp travel through most of the galaxy. So long as Magnus sits on the throne the movements of anything inside the Eye remain hidden and Imperial ships find it hard to navigate.

Is he a lesser god? As much as Be'lakor is.

I can see Ynnead being the god of stability. The dead god dreaming. Potentially extremely powerful but dis inclined to do anything unless its to maintain the status quo. The other child of Nurgle and Isha and opposite side of the same coin to Slaanesh.

>>39420008
>The other child of Nurgle and Isha and opposite side of the same coin to Slaanesh.
I'm not overly fond of the whole 'child of Nurgle and Isha' concept, it just doesn't fit warp gods in 40k.
Conceptually tied to both Nurgle and Isha, sure, but coming from them? I'd rather not.

>>39418850
Nope.

You can't summon Chaos Gods in reality. Too big, too powerful.

Malice is at best, a Greater Daemon.

>>39420177
You make a good point. In retrospect its not very 40k

>>39420199
The actual mechanics have never been explained. Maybe it's like an Avatar of Khaine deal.
>captcha: IPerv
Captcha admits it is a Slaaneshni.

Instead of the Age of Apostasy we could have Ultramar and its primarchs breaking away whilst the Emperor is busy assaulting the Eye.

>>39421902
I find it incredible that people still think they're having a fresh and interesting idea when they say "lol alternate Heresy means the Ultras secede".

Literally every fucking alternate Heresy has the Ultras secede.

>>39422121
Not that it's a new idea, but the circumstances of normal 40k make it so that the Ultras secession is inevitable or at least barely respectable. It's like Catalonia: the will and the industrial base are there and any attempts to stop it are simply delaying the inevitable.

>>39422536

Not really. Guilleman isn't just loyal to the Emperor, he's happy with the Emperor. It's outright stated that he's one of the most loyal of the bunch, the ones who are impossible to flip. Lorgar more-or-less flat-out says it's pointless.

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>>39422121
Usually they rebel at the Horus Heresy. They usually don't wait until M35+.

Also without the protection and direct assistance of the gods they are gradually loosing ground.

Most pessimistic projections have Ultramar being stomped into shit sometime between 050 and 055 of M42 and every man woman and child being exterminated, all artifacts of any interest being plundered, records of the Imperium Secundus being erased, the cites burned down and the ruins plowed into fields. Replacement populations will then be brought in from else where in the Imperium. One or two generations afterwards no one will remember Ultramar was even a thing.

The more optimistic projections of the war look the exact same but for the refugee fleets making it to either the Eye or Maelstrom. Estimated 10 - 15% of the overall population of Ultramar survive.

Breaking away was a catastrophic mistake by Guilliman.

Guilliman is dead by the end of M41. Ferrus Mannus jabbed him in the neck with a poison coated knife. There is no ambiguity about it. He is very, very dead.

The Rubric Marines still exist.

Magnus needed the great interstellar sized wards around the Edge of the Eye built and maintained. This job he trusted to Ahriman.

The wards and the regular exposure they had to them had a curious preservative quality. It kept the marines functional for thousands of years. Sadly it didn't keep them alive.

As the years and centuries passed their skin and the flesh beneath it withered and dried and at some point dies. The bones crumbled and eventually became like dust. But they still function.

They aren't really all that good at thinking anymore, not having anything to think with and not usually having much to think about. But they still follow orders and the wards remain intact.

The one that stayed mostly himself was Ahriman. He is not the man he once was but you can have a basic conversation with him.

>>39422536
>the circumstances of normal 40k make it so that the Ultras secession is inevitable
not in the slightest

an almost wayward chapter, that frequently clashes against the greater imperium like the wolves or dark angels? Those ones could secede. But the smurfs have no reason to beyond their location.

>>39422659
>>39422986
Love these ideas!

>>39409350
Because then /tg/ would have to get off its ass and do something original instead of just copying 40k.

>>39408311
You're really stupid and don't know what any of the words you just used mean.

>>39409013
>>39408319

Lol I like this anons, I like this a lot.

>>39409388

Shouldn't the Primarchs be opposite of how they are in the canon universe.

So Rowbutt was a really skilled bureaucrat in our canon, but in this canon hes a complete slob, his ultra marines are now the Plague marines of our setting.

Lion is no longer taciturn and brooding, hes a manipulative silver tongued opportunist who's loyalty is only to himself. Hes the starscream of the setting who's constantly plotting to take over the Slaver Imperium for himself

I think this makes more sense in our little setting

>>39424805
Then why use the Primarchs?

>>39424908

Because its just a bizarro opposite world?

>>39424945
What's the point, though? If the main merit of your setting is "It's 40k but not", then you may as well make a setting that isn't 40k.

>>39424805
This is what killed the Hektor Heresy friend. We need the recognizable primates and legions, just twisted enough by circumstances. If we just make everything opposite, there's no opportunity for exciting world building. Familiar characters in unusual circumstances is what makes alternate universes so attractive, not replacing them entirely.

>>39407891
Too much butthurt.

Just thinking about it makes me booty bothered.

Not nearly as bad of an ass ache as the guy from the "I'm mad about eldar" thread, but there is definitely some rump ravaging going on here for me.

>>39408605
No.

The horse was dead before it even started, because the very concept was "let's change all the things about this universe that bother us, and in doing so prove that we know nothing about how to make a universe realistic."

And no, I'm not saying 40K is realistic. I'm saying that the characters from Hektor are the worst Mary Sues the world has ever known, and that the whole thing is a retarded masturbatory fantasy.

>>39424985

I thought the main merit of it was that it was completely opposite from regular 40k. Imperium is Evil, Chaos Gods are Good. We don't really have to make up anything new other than deciding how best to represent everyone in their new roles. We're not trying to make a whole new setting from scratch like the Hektor Heresy.

>>39425167
Then why not make something original instead of remaking 40k?

>>39425167
>was completely opposite from regular 40k

The problem there is that there aren't any good sides in 40K. Trying to say "ooh let's reverse it" makes no sense when everything in the universe is more or less the same shad of grey.

>>39425123
To be fair, everyone should be butthurt about new Eldar. To not be kinda implies you like being a cheesemongering faggot who will do anything for an easy win.

>on the Eldar race
The Eldar and Human Empires coexisted in a sort of cold war, and wanted nothing to do with each other. Then the Eldar fucked something up, which caused the Emperor to twist. The Human Empire, now the Slaver Imperium, destroy the Eldar Empire.
Certain factions within the Slaver Imperium denounce this action, and split off. Cue the Secession? The actions of the Secessionists as they try to save as much of their people as possible empower the Gods, which accept the Secessionists in the Eye and Maelstrom.

As for the Eldar, they split off in the regular Eldar that survived the carnage by escaping in their Craftworld. Their mentality is basically "we fucked up. We need to correct this mistake and avenge our people"

The Dark Eldar fled into the Webway. Their mentality is "we fucked up, but the moments up until then were pretty cool. We should keep going!"

The Black Library contains the secret on how to finally destroying the ascended Demon Emperor. The Harlequins, believing whoever finally accomplishes this will rise an Empire worse than the Slaver Imperium, protect the Black Library with the guidance of the mysterious Cegorach.

>>39425810
The elder did fuck a God into being and it did destroy their empire.

The differs is that the fucking, while no less intense, was consensual and loving.

The elder didn't die. At the moment of climax they ascended to dwell with their new god of love.

The Dark City was originally a prison colony. The craftworlds left behind were those either unworthy of their new god or chose to stay as missionaries.

Does anyone want to archive this or is it worthless?

>>39426795
archive for writefaggotery

Bump

>>39425944
I kind of prefer the idea that this Slaanesh is just another Eldar God rather than the supreme deity of the Eldar people.
So less, 'the birth of Slaanesh sunders realspace and turns all the Eldar into Daemons, also wreaking havoc on ships and infrastructure' and more 'the birth of Slaanesh sunders realspace and creates an area in which the gods of the warp can walk freely among their mortal worshippers and allies, while still wreaking havoc on ships and infrastructure'.
So you've got the core worlds of the Eldar Empire, inhabited by a bunch of Eldar, their Gods and the Daemons of those Gods, and then the Iron Men hit and everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

>>39430649
That does sound pretty awesome.

>>39409673
What was the reason for Horus turning?

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>>39432510

Space Voodoo.

Seriously, the canon story everyone quotes included naked savages, mud huts and witch-doctors who told the Marines, "Just leave your Primarch alone with us because reasons," and the battle-hardened Luna Wolves comprising Horus' first company and his fiercely dedicated "bodyguard" all said, "Oh sure, no probs. Whatev."

This hacktastic tidbit is literally emblematic of the authorial asspull that characterises almost all of 40k lore. Enjoy.

>>39433219
In this mirror universe what should the reason be?

>>39432510
In this alternate universe (still not sure what to call it the Humanist Heresy? the Eternal Siege?) Horus turns because he just can't take the brutality and oppression of the Imperium anymore. He realizes that deep in his heart the Emperor never cared for his sons and only views them as tools to subjugate the Space Marines who in turn press down the boot heel upon regular humans. Sort of how the children of abusive or dysfunctional families rationalize and attempt to cozy up to their abusers or rationalize their behavior, so too did Horus and the Primarchs strive for the Emperor's protection and love, even when he had very little or none to spare.

The straw that broke the camel's back was upon Ulanor, where a large portion of the human slaves rose up to help the Space Marines and the Emperor against their Ork masters. I'm not sure what the triggering event would be, but the end result is that the Emperor called all the Primarchs to Ulanor for a great celebration, only for them to watch as the Emperor killed Horus in hand-to-hand combat for daring to defy Him. Perhaps worship of the Benevolent Four Gods, only for Horus to defend the right to religious freedom? Perhaps human reluctance to join the Imperium leads to the death of the rebel commander Ollanius Pius, which prompts Horus's rebellion? Sorry I don't have a good idea there.

>>39433775
That is a good idea. Only thing I would change is that Horus should be executed rather than death in battle.

>>39434297
You're right, it makes for a more striking image. The Primarchs all getting together, pleased and excited that they've reached the famous victory of Ulanor, that the astropaths are already chattering about. They reach the surface in ones and twos, meeting at the appointed landing place. The more naive wonder why the Luna Wolves are unusually still and silent in parade formation. "Where are the cheers, the shouts?" they wonder.

Then the Custodes bring him out. Horus Lupercal, stripped of his armor, his honors, and looking very small and alone surrounded by a mass of Custodes five men deep in every direction. The remnants of the Mournival make to charge the formation and the Luna Wolves rise up as one, a deep, rumbling bellow of protest and rage.

With a crack of teleportation and a rumbling boom of power, the Emperor arrives. At a glance, the entire front line of Luna Wolves is blasted backwards, armor ruined, flesh charred. He speaks one word, bellowed at the Luna Wolves and imprinted with all the psychic force he can muster: "KNEEL!" Psycho-training and centuries of obedience kick in and the remaining Astartes fall to their knees.

The Primarchs look on in horror and outrage as the Emperor walks forward and slits Horus's throat, the blood pooling and running to the feet of his captains mere meters away. He points the bloodied Lightning Claw at the remaining Primarchs.

"Horus disobeyed. He thought himself in the right, more human, more purely intentioned than I. Horus thought that defiance would be pardoned, that the hand of forgiveness might be extended to one such as him, when others have had no such mercy. Horus was a fool.
Know this my sons: I am the Master of Humanity. I have guided it from its cradle on Terra to the stars among the heavens. I have watched it for thousands upon thousands of years. To deny me is to deny Humanity. And I am unassailable.
Remember this day. Remember the foolishness of Horus Lupercal. Remember the consequences."

From that day forth the Luna Wolves were the Sons of Horus, the Black Legion. But where once the Emperor commanded them to wear black as a mark of shame and mourning, now they wear it with pride. For just as Horus Lupercal, Torik Torbageddon, Horus Aximund, and all the others had entered the black pit of oblivion, they did so in the hope of a better tomorrow and a new dawn. To symbolize this, the Black Legion painted their armor trim gold so that they might always remember the prospects that the future holds.

It is a common complaint among Astartes that Moration's Death Guard are rarely seen on the forefront battling against the Emperor and his immeasurable armies. This is true, but any man who has seen the Death Guard deploy will hold no rancor in their hearts for the sons of Moration. Famed for their resilience and dedication, the green-armored Astartes are held together just as much my their own willpower as their augments and Nurgle-given gifts. Experts in the deployment of heavy armor, the Death Guard field some of the heaviest tanks of the Humanist Legions and can boast their own Titan Legion, the Legio Mortis, first to turn from the cold mechanical gaze of Mars. When on the long furloughs necessary to recover from wounds, and rebuild the strength of the Legion, Moration and his men inhabit agri-worlds and death worlds, cultivating hardy farmers alongside merciless survivalists. Just as the Apothecaries of the Death Guard can work miracles in bringing brothers back from oblivion, so to does the legion work to revitalize and streamline crop production on the all too scarce agriworlds within the Eye. There are always too many mouths to feed, too many refugees streaming in the direction of the Eye in search of succor and the Death Guard will ensure that as many can be saved as possible.

Moration himself still farms when he can, swinging his scythe back and forth across the rows of grain in an easy, measured pace, great bales of crops tied upon his sweating back and occasionally obscuring him from the sight of his trailing human partners. It is a pleasure he can rarely indulge in, but it soothes the Primarch's soul in a way no Eldar or caress of Slaanesh can provoke. It is said that Moration is never truly happy and there is some truth to this. But he can be content, and content he remains, for a while longer, under the gently shining sun.

>Overheard in "Khorne's Teeth" a popular bar on Rynoth IV, mustering world for the Eye's defense.

Now listen 'ere Malben, you whining rat! My regiment was on Cadia during the Shiny Bastard's last Great Crusade and I'm telling you, if'n you say another word about Milord Moration or his Guard, I'll kick your teeth all the way to Khorne's brassy throne! Sure, they take an awful long time to get to the front, and yeah, they spend their time out on them agri-worlds, but I'm telling ya, you ain't seen an Astartes fight until you've seen the Death Guard!

"Yeah, yeah Ogden, we've all heard the stories. Faster than a daemonette an' can benchpress a Baneblade, we've all heard about the Astartes. Settle down and' have another pint."

"No I ain't! I ain't gonna sit down until I get this through that thick skull of yours! Now shaddup and listen:

"We were dropped in early in the defense, about a month in, but the place already looked like it had been fought over for twice as long. Buildings in ruins, tumbling down this way and that at every rumble of a Basilisk shell. Streets clogged with broken cars, fires smoldering in power stations, the place was a real Nurgle-dammed shithole.

Anyway, the Shiny Bastard had decided to give the Ravens their turn at killing some traitors, so we'd been picked off squad by squad, man by man ever since we'd entered the outskirts of the city. By midday, the sergeant wouldn't leave the Kharn Carrier, the assault tank we'd had to use as a command post. Not that any one of us blamed him. We kept hearing the woosh of jump packs, always close by and never where we could see them. Then I'd turn around and the radio operator was gone, just his legs still standing there, severed at the hip. Man, we were spooked and spooked good. I think the only reason we all didn't turn and get the hell outta there was because nobody wanted to be the first to run, the first to make themselves more of a target than they were already.

>>39436858
Every moment we kept breathing, kept choking on the dust and toxic fumes of burning tires was a moment we were still alive. I kept us moving up, ruin by ruin, floor by floor, always keeping an eye out for suspicious shadows or the boxy shape of a missile launcher aiming for the Kharn in the street below us. We found little things, bootprints in the dust, an empty bolter magazine, even a steaming cup of recaf that I swear the bastards left there just to taunt us. Berg shrugged and drank some of it then passed it to his mates.

Man, in hindsight that was the stupidest fucking thing we did that day. I never should've let him do it. It was the Khorne-dammed Ravens, they weren't going to throw us a feast just for the fun of it! Of course, I don't blame the kid or his mates. We hadn't eaten anything like a meal in weeks. Some of us were already down to shoe leather. So the kid drank it and it was, of course, poisoned. He went mad, started shooting at all of us, shouting that we were the Ravens in disguise.

His las shots killed Nick, Arty and wounded Claire,lit up the building like he'd painted the Ravens a welcome sign. Somebody had just shot the poor bastard in the throat and the back wall disentegrated as one of the Ravens came flapping in to finish the job. All I could see were his helmet's eyes, glowing red through all the dust and I knew that this was the end for me. I muttered a prayer to Father Nurgle and aimed my lasrifle, just as a bone-deep rumble started up outside, followed by the harsh chatter of a heavy bolter.

The Raven jolted as the shots hit him in the back and he turned around, splattering Merkel as the dumb bastard tried to charge the Astartes with his sword.The Raven went to fire his jump pack just as I leaped up to try and have a go at his helmet seals. I remember from training the advice they gave about how to fight Astartes: fire en masse at the joints of his armor and hope something breaks through.

>>39437150
Well they were right, Tzneetch's wisdom upon them, because I managed to get my knife into one of the pipes while the Raven was lifting off. I didn't expect him to take me with into the air, but I hung on anyway. That's when I lost the leg, the jump pack flames burnt right through the muscle and fat.
(gestures at the augmentic attached to his thigh, burnished steel and carved with a crude rune of the Death Guard)

Now, I figured I wasn't long for this world anyhow, so I started sawing away at the Raven's jump pack, hoping to break something important, maybe kill this self-important servile bastard with me. He reached up and I could feel his lightning claw just above my head, trying to find something to slice and kill. But he didn't have time, because the marine on the Land Raider below me opened up again on him with the Heavy Bolter in midair and nearly cut him in half. Of course, I was on the top half of the bastard the half that was heading right towards the Land Raider so I figured that getting crushed on impact was in my future. I could see the Death Guard getting larger and larger as he let go of the heavy bolster and climbed out of the turret. I closed my eyes and prepared for death.

The marine caught me. Just scooped me out of the air and the dead Raven like we were playing baseball and he'd caught the outfield pass. Before I had time to do anything more than gape, he propped me in the turret of the tank, patted me on the back, and handed me the heavy bolter. His voice was surprisingly high, even through the helmet's growl. "Hold this for a moment Guardsman."

I followed his gaze and saw the four remaining Ravens swooping towards us on their jump packs, chainblades already roaring and bolt pistols aimed. The Death Guard made to reach down into the tank, but shook his head and straightened. "Not enough time." As soon as the Ravens got within range, I pulled the triggers on the bolter, jerking my body back and forth, trying to hit at least one.

>>39437435
I shouldn't have bothered, 'cause I missed with every shot. But the Astartes was ready. As they passed overhead he crouched and leaped. Six feet straight up in full battle plate! (Laughter) Oh I wish I'd seen the looks on the Raven's faces! He grabbed one of them by the waist and just started wailing on the bastard, no technique at all.

>"Did the Ravens crash?"

'Course the Ravens crashed, you ninny! You've got an Astartes hanging offa ya you're gonna crash!They came down in the street on the other side of the Land Raider and I scrambled over to see what was going on. Bled all over the roof of the Land Raider too, that didn't please the Death Guard too much. Anyway, when I finally dragged my fat arse over to see, it was pretty much over. The Raven still had his chainsword and he kept slamming it into the Guard's torso, trying to cut all the way through and kill him.

He'd already mostly succeeded, there were Astartes guts all over the place and his legs were about ten inches further away from the rest of him, but that Death Guard wouldn't let go. He'd just locked both hands around the Raven's face and kept squeezing harder and harder. They'd both lost their helmets in the crash and I could see their faces, both pale. The Death Guard from blood loss and the Raven 'cause they're creepy bastards that way. I thought for sure the Raven was going to win, because he just kept chopping away, but the Guard was hanging' on like they was the only two left in all the Siege, just would not give up. The Raven's head popped like an egg full of brains and only then did the Death Guard let go. He even had the gall to give me a thumbs-up before he died.

So that's why I won't tolerate none of your guff Malben. That's why they're called the Death Guard. They get there before us, man the walls and halls of the Gods so the Emperor can't steal our precious souls to torture for all eternity. That's why I'm a Death Guard man now. For Moration and Man, now and forever!

>End

>>39408684
Fuck, I missed this. So sorry tg.

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>>39435891
Moar! Is Fucking awesome

>>39438522
As you wish. Keep the faith, bump the thread and fight for the new dawn.

"Of course a lot of people don't like the War Hounds. They don't run PR-friendly Malestrom Passages like the Alpha Legion for trapped civilians and they aren't as inspirational as the Word Bearers. They don't maintain the wards, worlds and fleets around us like the Thousand Sons, Iron Warriors, or the Black Legion do. I remember some of the other adepts here were wondering how we can trust Marines that are so brutal and, well, terrifying. They worship Khorne, for Tzneetch's sake, and everybody knows how close HE is to going full-on murder God all the time! "

"Stanley, shut up! Khorne could be listening!"

"Khorne can go suck a seal! Why do you think we have standing orders to not let the Hounds and the Emperor's Children share the same fleet detachment, let alone the same battlefield? They're barely controllable and sometimes I wonder if they're really on our side."

"They are on our side."

(muffled screams)

"Lord Honsou, we-ah-We weren't aware that your battle barge was in-system! You weren't due for another three days."

"I bring good tidings Consul Stanley. The Ultramar mission arrived ahead of schedule, though I'm afraid your department will have to account for three extra broadsides worth of munitions. The Imperial Fists really wanted this one back."

"You realize milord that as a member of the Outer Garrison, your cruises are not subject to the normal rationing demands of the Navy. "
"I am aware Consul. But still, my Legion views it as a point of pride to conserve materiel whenever possible. Now, I believe you were saying something objectionable about the War Hounds?"

No milord! Not at all! I wasn't....Please don't tell them.

What the War Hounds know about the Administratum is their business, not mine. But let me ask you something Consul Stanley:

I am-ah- at your disposal, Milord.
Have your read the infrastructure and casualty reports from Angron's Red Crusade? The Three Armageddon Wars?

>>39439003
"I have skimmed them milord"

"Have you seen the resupply manifests for the same campaigns?"
"No milord. A thousand apologies."


"Hrmm. Well, you damm well should. Spend less time harassing the Mechanics about going over budget."

"It will be done milord"

"I'm sure it will. When you do pull your swollen head out of your robes and put it back on your shoulders, you'll notice that Lord Angron carried out three devastating attacks on the Imperium using a fraction of the resources the Black legion or the Iron Warriors use to mount a static defense!"
The Warsmith shook his armored head in admiration.
"He started the campaign with 800 Hounds, twelve starships, and six million Guardsmen. With them he recaptured Glorious Defiance, and gutted Wolf Lord Grimnar's ship, Howling Fang. He liberated Armageddon three times when the Imperials tried to defy him and it took an entire thrice-cursed brotherhood of Grey Knights to oust him! The Primarch cost the Imperium seven times the amount of men and weapons that he himself had committed and diverted enough forces to allow my Legion to recapture Forge World Kai."

The Warsmith smiled appreciatively and nodded at the silent vox set in the corner. "If you read something other than manifestoes, you might also have read the Thousand Son's saga of the campaign."

Stanley gaped, eyes wide with astonishment. "The Thousand Sons wrote a saga for Angron, for Khorne?"
"Even the masters of Tzneetch's magic can appreciate a tale well wrought now and again. Especially when it is forged in the blood of the Space Wolves. I believe their mutual hatred of the Emperor's Executioners is something Lord Angron and Lord Magnus bonded over."

There was silence for a few minutes as they tried to imagine such a scene of Primarch bonding. It was not a pretty picture. Then Honshu began to chant. His was a voice ill suited to chanting, or any form of music, but he did manage to capture some of the Thousand Son's magnificence:

"Sing, O Sons of Magnus, of the great deeds wrought this day. Weep, warriors of the Eye, that you were not there to see them done!
Three times did Angron sally forth, braving Armageddon's armies in search of glory and greatness. Three times did he clash with his brother's sons and three times did he hurl them down!

First at Hades Hive, crushing Orks and Imperials alike. Second on the Plains of Acheron, where the Wolves of Fenris fought in fear. Third, at the gates of Hades Hive, now put to the sword by those cowardly, craven Grey Knights!

Ever did Angron, once a beast for sport, seek the plight of the common man to give his Legion's aid. Hades Hive was no mistake, for within were the screams of the hopeless and the cries of the enslaved. But Angron, mighty and merciless, slew their guardians and broke their chains. As Angron saw the marks upon the women and the restraining bolts of the babes he turned to his legion and wept.

"See how they enslave their own!" he cried, raising blood-stained shackles. "My father and his sliming surrogates know nothing of honor, nothing of honest work or and honest kill! They send their legions and their proxies to hurt us, afraid to meet me in battle. Follow me to the top of the Hive and we shall show them an honest day's work!"

And the people cheered, for Angron was not much loved, but he was respected as a great leader, far beyond the cowardly Corax or dull Dorn. Hades Hive burned that night as mighty Angron led his people to the safety of his ships and the promise of a new dawn. Thus ends the First Battle of Armageddon!"

The Administratum clerks stared in awe as Honsou trailed off, embarrassed. The Iron Warrior ran his hand across the curve of his helmet and looked at the ceiling.

"It's not exactly right of course, and it loses a great deal of nuance and rhyme when you translate it from High Gothic. But the point I wanted to make is that the War Hounds are important and very, very valuable to everyone here in the Eye."

"Lord Angron can do a great deal of damage with very little in terms of men and material. He's perfected the art of living off the land, swelling his own armies and support systems with captured or converted Imperial artifacts. He scares the Imperial Commanders, simple as that. He makes moves they don't expect him to, pushes forward when you'd expect a withdrawal or a feint, then destroys your star forts upon retreat. His legion may not be pretty and Gods know, they're not nice by any definition of the word, but they are needed and needed badly."

Honsou pointed one enormous finger at Stanley as he turned to go. "So keep that in mind next time you open your mouth."

As he left the Administratum building, the Space Marine reached a hand up and began to scrape the paint away from his shoulder pad.

"Good old white and blue" sighed Kharn. "It just looks so much better on me. Hopefully Honsou won't be too upset."

>End
(I don't think this one was as good, but I like the idea of Angron deliberately being the loud obvious attacker because he knows he can do more with less resources and let other sneakier legions get things done while the Imperials aren't looking. Plus, Kharn looks out for his Primarch.)

I'm going to bed now, because it's 4:30 AM and I need sleep. Please keep this thread alive and perhaps archive it, for I am but a simple writefag who knows not the joys of archive magic.

>>39407891

Malal is cancer among those who like chaos, and that is sayin something.

>>39439684
Friend, read the rest of the thread. There's magic happening here.

>>39439714

then I will.

On a long car journey at the moment, but I may engage in some writefaggotry of my own this evening.

As an aside, do you think that the Imperials are reluctant to simply bomb rebel planets because they might destroy geneseed, which is a good way to piss off big E? The corrupt commanders are happier to send millions of soldiers to die in surface campaigns rather than risk a lingering painful death if so much as one Astartes worth of geneseed is destroyed?

>>39440087
Possibly. Also the only worlds that the Rebels own with any permancy are the ones in the Eye. Free worlds outside the Eye tend to get exterminted to the last child and replacement population brought in. It takes longer but you have a useful world afterwards and holy fuck the Imperium isn't short on man power.

>>39440087
>>39440419
Also I forgot to say

We look forward to your writing should you choose to.

I too might try some should this thread persist till after work.

I haven't read Hektor Heresy. In what way is it similar to this thread? Because this is awesome.

>>39440933
Hektor Heresy was 30 Origional Character Donut Steel Primarchs.

>>39439597
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/39407891/

When he sits upon the Golden Throne the Dread Emperor can detect the movement of any warp vessel within the bounds of his Astronomican with the exception of things dwelling in warp rifts. As such nobody but the Imperials uses the warp any more than they have to.

As of 998M41 all craftworlds activated their antiquated warp-drives and set sail for the Eye. They say their new god will be born soon and they don’t want to miss it. This has everyone a bit worried.

>>39442585
I'm now picturing Ynnead and Slaanesh in a tag-team match with Evil Emps and the Void Dragon.

>>39442783
Ynnead and the Emperor occupy the same psychic space in the warp. So long as Ynnead remains alive but unborn the Emperor can't become a true God but so long as the EMperor survives Ynead can't be born.

>>39443687
Oh now that's cool.
So you have Astronomican angels fighting the wraiths of the unborn Ynnead to determine the fate of the galaxy.

>>39443775
More like you have the Emperor and all his armies trying to get to the centre of the Eye, break th reality where it is weakest, assault the Realm of Chaos directly and kill Isha before she can give birth.

They tried assaulting the warp using a spy built warp portal once in M34. Ganymede is still quarantined. Of the Grey Knight assault there were no confirms survivors although rumours persist amongst the navigators and astropaths that one Knight survived.

This is why Isha refuses to leave Nurgle's mansion. If she stays there she is safe. This pisses Khorne right off as he believes she would be safer at his place.

>>39439597
I can see Honsou in this timeline as being an Imperial Fists defector. He and a bunch of others like him switching sides during the last Great Crusade. Due to his origins none of the other Iron Warriors trust him completely but they are polite about it. When he switched sides he brought with him the knowledge of how to make Mk8 power armour and, somehow, aegis power armour.

Kharn, the Kharn, died during the original flight to the Eye. Since then they have handed down the name from Champion to Champion. Every 30 - 40 years the children of Angron send representatives from each brotherhood to the mass graves of Skalathrax where he is buried and there they hold a tournament. So long as there is an Angron Chainbreaker there will be a Kharn the Champion by his side and he legionaries see it as their duty to ensure its always the best possible Kharn. Sadly the axe Gorechild was broken take by the Imperium and now gathers dust in a Terran museum.

Calas Typhon died during the 4th Great Crusade. He didn't actually fight on the surface of Cadia itself during that particular war. He and many of the other Dusk Raiders went off to chase the not inconsiderable number of Imperials that had slipped past the massively overwhelmed defenders. The target of the intruders, mostly Black Templars and Novamarines, was the industrial hub of Temporia. It was on the surface of that world that Typhon the Pilgrim, blessed of the Grandfather, met his end. He took a hell of a lot of punishment and one hell of an bloody toll with him and he and his men held back the Imperials long enough for help to arrive. The ancient and wise Nathaniel Garro took over as leader of the Dusk Raiders.

>>39444216
I thought we'd already agreed that warp gods having kids was a stupid idea and should be scrapped.

>>39444806
Alright, sorry. It was late and I should have read the thread better before posting.

The Chaos Gods don't have Daemons in this setting. They have Angyls, which are humanoids with feathery wings.

Khorne's Angyls are tall, powerful beings, clad in armor that looks vaguely like the knights of ages past, and wield flaming sword to battle.

Slaanesh's Angyls are beautiful embodiments of the Benevolent Goddess herself. They bear no arms and wear the finest of tunics. Their wings are of an unblemished white color, and their songs enthuse ever greater feats of heroism and courage amongst the troops around them.

Nurgle's Angyls bear the Arts of Life. They can cure even the most grievous of injuries in a matter of seconds as their multiple pairs of silver wings cover the injured in the love of the Grandfather of the Living.

(No idea about Tzeentch's)

>>39444789
Som good ideas here, but I thought we were still calling them the Death Guard. It fits better with their role in the Eye.

>>39445005
We could have the Dusk Raiders be the legion as a whole and the Death Guard be a Nurgle-devoted section within the legion dedicated to guarding the gate.

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>>39444855
Deamon/angyl or whatever spelling you use is irreverent. The names vary from one part of the eye to another almost as much as the entities themselves

Slaanesh's "angels" are/were mostly the trillions of eldar that ascended at the moment of her birth. When in war they are hellishly fast with hands made of knives, dancing and sprinting and leaping in arcs of crimson spilled blood and an almost hypnotic grace. They aren't what you would call durable but actually landing a punch on one is very difficult.

When out of war they sort of look like they once did long ago but with nay blemishes removed. Often have a nimbus of holy light around them. Unless there is some special occasion to do so they usually walk around stark naked. What do they need clothes for? Its not cold where they are.

Nurgles deamons, and he always refers to them as such because he has an odd sense of humor, often look like trees. They aren't quick or nimble but holy fuck you better be using anti-tank weaponry if you intend to hurt them. Their sap and tears have astounding restorative qualities.

When there is no fighting to be done they like to sing long, old songs about ancient times and lazy sunny afternoons. Where they walk the grass grows quickly and blights are removed from crops. They are always on the move to nowhere in particular and in no great hurry.

Khornes minions are angels. Sanguinius, alone of all his mortal servants, was uniquely blessed to have the honour of nearly being one of them whilst being mortal. Big feathery wings, athletic physiques and often holding weapons that look like they just came out of the forge red hot. Grim and solemn they march to war and when in combat they loose their shit entirely. Fast, durable and with punches like freight trains they are a force to be reckoned. Their one weakness is their distinctive lack of any tactical aptitude. They charge the enemy, and whilst that is usually devastating, that is all they do.

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>>39445202
When not at war, preparing for war, commemorating battles or recovering from conflict the children of Khorne slumber. Some inhuman sense always, always, wakes them in time for the next war.

The associates of Tzneetch when war comes are seldom seen where the fighting is thickest. In fact they are seldom seen at all in war. It is not their specialty. Their specialty is arranging matters to stop wars from happening. The only they feel happy in in direct conflict is devising strategies as far away from the cation as is practically possible.

The tend to look like administatium adepts in rather drab robes. They could almost pass for human even when they aren't trying to pass for human. Their eyes are a little to large and bright, their noses and face in general has a certain aquiline profile to it, their hands are a bit like talons and they move in a jerky avian fashion. Out of war they see to the efficient running of things and dabble in influence peddling. If you get one to sign a contract or give their word they will honor it to the letter. Exactly to the letter.

The servants of the Laughing God are both the most well known and the unheard of. The well known ones are the harlequins who dance through the eldar communities.

The others are pranksters extraordinaire. They stir things up. Its mostly harmless but its never boring. Except when war starts. Then they do things like plant land mines in hilarious places.

>>39445005
Death Guard were those recruited after the discovery of Mortarion.

After getting to the Eye those who predated Mortarion decided to form their own splinter group.

The Black Legion also had a bunch of squads break of and form a modest brotherhood called the Luna Wolves

>>39445202
You raise an excellent point about Sanguinius and daemon princedom. I feel like many of the Humanist Primarchs were offered some form of daemon princedom by the Gods when they got to the Eye, but they turned down the offer because they felt that it would further estrange them from the "common man" that they were fighting for.

I could see perhaps Angron or Magnus becoming daemon princes, but mostly through centuries of action in line with a particular deity's wishes. Also, Magnus is running the psychic interference beacon with the Thousand Sons so I think he's a mostly immobile daemon prince. How does that sound?

>>39446236
I think it'd be cool if Magnus' connection to the Eye's Throne turned him into something like a Daemon Prince of himself.

>>39446236

Logar - Not a deamon prince. He has had plenty of opportunity but it is something he never actually wanted. His job is to serve the gods, not to dwell with them and he is at peace with that. He is, oddly, good friends with Be'lakor. Given their divergent views on the theology of Chaos it surprises many.

Magnus the Red - Hard to say. He might be a deamon prince of tzeentch but its unlikely. Tzeentch is all about movement and the change of one state to another in a directed manner, the search for lost knowledge or ambition and things of that nature. Magnus isn't after any of that. Other than the fact that he is a very powerful psyker he has little common ground with the sorcerer king. If anything his refusal to go down after so many thousands of years in a mind-wrestling content with the Golden Throne would put him in the camp of either Khorne or Nurgle. Its possible he is very gradually becoming empowered by all of the big 4 but if so it was not his intent.

Sanguinius - Deamon Prince of Khorne. His legion is all about the beserker rage and the full frontal assault. Constantly on a recruitment drive due to the high turnover rate. Despite his ascension Sanguinius couldn't get his wings back. What ever poisons were on the Crow's claws when he tore those wings from his back it was potent.

Horus - Dead.

Perturabo - Deamon-prince of the Soul Forge and disciple of the Omnissiah. You want something built? He can build it or knows someone who does. His body now utterly blurs the line between organic, mechanical and deamonic but in a graceful manner.

Mortarion - He went full Nurgle.

Angron - Nope. If he was to take that gift, and he was very tempted to do so, he would not be able to raid real-space as easily.

Fulgrim - Prince and champion of the Radiant Queen Slaanesh. That sword was the reward for deeds he was yet to do.

>>39446979
These are great ideas! There's all sorts of tension between Sanguinius and Angron, embodying different aspects of Khorne. Perhaps Sanguinius can have a Conrad Kurze thing going where half of him is the golden benevolent Sanguinor and the other half is the Blood Prince Sanguinius. One half eternally struggling to keep the other in check, just as Khorne does.Meanwhile Angron could be the Alexander the Great sort of Primarch as a counterpoint.

Fulgrim's idea is a good one. The Laer come up to him and give the enemy leader a sweet sword. Fulcrum understandably asks why. "For deeds not yet done, lives not yet saved, and courage not yet found." At some point Fulcrum loses the sword and finds that he can summon it to his side when fighting Ferrus Manus, who he decapitates with one blow, halting the Iron Hand's attempt to unleash and fuse with a shard of the Void Dragon. This saves Mars and results in slightly more than half of the Mechanicus converting to the Humanist cause which delights Peturabo to no end.

>>39447883
I don't think that many Mechanicus would join Fulgrim.

Barely any of them knew about the Dragon.

Some would. Some lower ranking member following some higher ranking ones but you would be lucky to get even 1 or 2 % of the martian priesthood. This still comes to millions/billions of adepts and if they brink knowledge with them then oh yes Perturabo is going to be a very happy man.

>>39447883
Angron and Sanguinius have a scowling contest.

Who wins?

>>39450063
Everyone in the room loses.

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>>39407891
I like this thread. I can use this for a Chaos Cult sponsored and deceived by the Word Bearers to believing this is the normal 40k.