“That was an overcast day” says the voice of Baalzamon “full sunlight might have killed you” his voice sounds gentle “Your flesh is now shadows and darkness, no different to look upon perhaps, save for the colour, but insubstantial, easily burned by the light.”

“Then take it away!” you say, beginning to master your pain somewhat “I didn’t ask for this.”

“Oh you asked for the power” says Baalzamon “but it ah...betrayed you.”

You bite back a comment about who could be behind the betrayal as Baalzamon continues “now this can be taken away, or you can live covered head to toe in heavy clothing, seeing the world through a thick visor, always afraid of laser weapons in a fight.”

“There’s a deal” you grate out, still lying on the floor “there is always a deal...with you.” Damn it still hurts.

“Now why would I even offer a deal at this time?” says Baalzamon “I’m just being courteous after all, letting you know what you will face, giving you a chance to reflect.”

“Then why bring me here at all?” you counter, managing to pull yourself, painfully, to a sitting position.

“Oh there is something I want” says Baalzamon, in an off-hand manner “but I doubt you’ll want to do it.”

“What?” you say, just trying to get it out of the way.

“Oh a trifling thing really” he says “there may come a time when you, and a mortal, and a god will decide the fate of...a lot of people. I will take away what afflicts you, and even throw in a small gift, if all you do is promise that when the time comes....you will chose the path of shadow, and I do mean *shadow* specifically, not...anything else.”

That sounds like vague prophetic bullshit to you, you open your mouth to ask for clarification and Baalzamon continues “now of course we both know you could mouth the words and change your mind later, but should you agree I will take steps to ensure that breaking your word in this particular deal will have....consequences.”

“This all sounds so vague” you say “What’s the point?”

From the shuffling noises around you, Baalzamon seems disquieted “Outside forces may intervene in the contest of the Reunited. The others seem to think they can turn it to their own ends, I think it might tip the board over, I would prefer they not intervene, but if they do, it should go badly...for them. A lesson in not meddling shall we say.”

“You said I *may* decide the fate” you point out “what if this never comes to pass?”

“Then our deal is fulfilled” says Baalzamon “and there will be no loss for you.”

“And what is the *shadow* option?” you ask.

“A realigning of goals” says Baalzamon “a tiny fragment of poison in a well.”

Poison...?

“Are you asking me to kill people?” you ask bluntly

Baalzamon laughs “Kill? No, not kill, change minds, incorporate better principles into them.”

From his point of view, better principles are likely to be....yeah

“I want to know more about this” you say “before I decide.”

“I’ve told you all I’m going to” says Baalzamon “you can take my deal, or reject it, in theory any of the others might be able to *fix* you, in their own ways, but what will they ask of you, given how debilitating your condition is hmm?”

Your response

>Fine, the *shadow* option it is
>No, I’ll ask another of the Five for help (which?)
>Other (what?)

Meta: All terribly vague I know. To explain, in a future thread, Shee *may* be offered a specific choice. One of the options favours Baalzamons way of thinking. If Shee takes that option, then the bargain is fulfilled. If she chooses another, then there will be severe consequences. If the choice never comes up, then no consequences.

>>38461941
>is it only sunlight?

>>38461941
>Other (what?)
We can overcome this on our own.
Im sure corruption and Impossibility can alter this on our own.

>>38461941
>No, I’ll ask another of the Five for help (King of Hell)


>>38461968
They rpobably can, but can they do it in time with our confrontation with Jane?

>>38461941
Shit I was afraid something like this would happen.

>No, I’ll ask another of the Five for help (King of Hell.)

>>38461957
Laser weapons are mentioned, but if you want to ask that question in-character, you can.

>>38461941
>Fine, the *shadow* option it is
Oh wow, thats pretty harsh as random mutations go. Glad we got so lucky with Jaggas and Titanic Form. Hol shit.

>>38461941
I'm >>38461957
Adding >>38461968
To my vote

>>38461937
>Your flesh is now shadows and darkness
Holy shit I got it right. Did you just go with the shadow skin because I said it or did you actually roll this?

>>38461941
>Other (what?)
Keep it, try to use PoB/Impossibility/Corruption to make it into Voidflesh.

>>38461941
Meta question, AA mentioned that we'd be able to buy off a negative effect last thread, is that an actual thing or was he mistaken?

>>38461991
>>38461990
>>38461968
You guys fo realise that we won't manage that very soon, and we are about to fight Mirrors Avatar with a crippling weakness then?

>>38461941
>No, I’ll ask another of the Five for help (ichor)

>>38462000
Eh, this isn't that bad. Just need to keep Ignore Pain up constantly in case we're taken by surprise and be wary of sunlight.

>>38462000
They're being idiots.

>>38461991
>make it into Voidflesh
If we manage that, we are going to be absurdly fucked against the Syrnians.

>>38461941
>No, I’ll ask another of the Five for help (King)
If my end of the deal is something I want to do you can suggest it then. And we can bargain once more

>>38461991
>Did you just go with the shadow skin because I said it or did you actually roll this?

Well you see thanks for the idea anon, 10/10

>>38461993
Depends what he meant by *buy off*. Not with XP alone, but deals can always be struck.

>>38462007
an overcast put us in searing mind numbing pain, All she needs to do to off us is a flash spell.

>>38462007
Except for the damage we take from our bare flesh being exposed.

>>38461941
>Fine, the *shadow* option it is
Hmm, damn, I like albinism, but this is a glaring weakpoint and we have botheredthe others too much recently.

>>38462018
>Well you see thanks for the idea anon, 10/10
I admit, I am slightly mad at this, I wanted to see a regular random pick from the list, even if it would have been negative.

I'm now going to assume that this is at least on the level of debilitating that those negative mutations would have always been?

>>38462019
>>38462021
Significant and painful, but I believe we're strong enough to withstand direct exposure, at least briefly, and if it doesn't kill us instantly, then we heal.

>inb4 the other Five offer to fix us by having our flesh permanently be like something of their domain
>Ichor turns us slimy/scaly
>King turns us into a Hesan

>>38462036
If that's the case, I'd just say fuck them and go with corrupting it into something of our own domain.

>>38462019
Heavy clothing can counter this in the short term. See if we can make a biosuit from the plants under the idea of having it being strength and defence. Where is just used for us to be covering.

>>38462018
>>38462018
>thanks for the idea anon, 10/10
Hue hue hue
Happy to help.

>>38462018
What was your original idea?

>>38462031
I'm sorry you feel that way

>I'm now going to assume that this is at least on the level of debilitating that those negative mutations would have always been?

Negative mutations have different degrees of how bad they are. This is equal to some of the worst ones.

>>38461941
Does this affect our transformed forms too?

>>38461941
Could we just get most of our shadow skin replaced with cyber-skin?

Cash fix seems preferable to xp/favor fix.

>>38462056
You don't know IC

>>38462057
Possible...if its only skin deep

>>38462066
Could we get Artifice and just replace all the affected meat with cybernetics?

>>38462042
assuming we could get one in a short amount for time it takes to fight avatar girl. She hits us once we die.

>>38462033
That was an overcast day anon. Imagine how badly a flare or light spell would hurt. One shot kill. Like form affixing blow on a true fae.

>>38462036
Better than dying and we can actually fix that later.

>>38462057
Again you're forgetting about our current location and what we need to do.

>>38462071
>Implying that'd fix it at all.

>Photokinesis to bend the light around us
>Use the metapsionics power that lets us turn a psychic power permanent.

>>38462054
>This is equal to some of the worst ones.
I would have really prefered a regular roll for once.
I get that this sort of thing is a good oportunity, narrative-wise, but I would have really prefered a regular roll, and then get this sort of offer if it comes out as something really bad.

>>38462071
It would only change our being, so at best we get cyber shadows.

>>38462071
possible.

I am seeing a tie between keep it and ask the King of Hell - I'm tie-breaking in favour of asking the King - you can always turn his deal down too after all.

writing

>>38462071
I like Artifice and I don't think that'd do anything. The natural cybernetics would be made of shadow too.

It'd probably make it easier to incorporate unnatural cybernetics into us, but good luck with that.

And I say this as someone who wants Artifice. You trying to push it in situations where it obviously wouldn't work is just gonna make more people dislike it.
>implying that's not what you want.

>>38462080
We'd have to unlock the power first, which we don't know how to do.

>>38462082
I kinda like when rampant speculation can effect the quest like this. And we did get that triple roll.

>>38462054
So did we already roll one of the worst ones and you just transmogrified it into this or did you do the inverse of what happened with Invulnerable Hide?

Could Invulnerable Hide block the damage from light?

>>38462093
I've never supported Artifice before now, I'm just considering it as a potential solution. Not all anons are the same person just because I now want a thing that someone else has wanted in the past.

>>38462105
I'm not saying it a horrible idea, but changing the rules just to fuck us over is something I don't appreciate very much.
Mind, Pally has fudged how this works in our favor once before too, so I'm significanly less mad then I would be normally, even if I would have preferred a regular roll back then too.

I'm just saying that, we didn't crit fail, and this is the sort of thing you would get for that.

>>38462087
If we end up keeping it and corrupting it into void flesh, would there be some kind of lemonade out of lemons thing with it, like higher miss chance against us?

Is there any positives to it now? I imagine shadowflesh does give at least one or two stealth bonus in the dark.

>>38462118
>If we end up keeping it and corrupting it into void flesh, would there be some kind of lemonade out of lemons thing with it, like higher miss chance against us?
We would be even more vulnerable to antinite, currently it just gives us penatlies on rolls.
With Void flesh it would remove our skin.

>>38462122
We might also be less vulnerable to non-magical weapons, or just every weapon that isn't anti-magic in every way. I don't think losing our natural DR against anti-magic weapons would be the worst thing.

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>>38462122
I'd still vote for it.

>>38462135
>I don't think losing our natural DR against anti-magic weapons would be the worst thing.
Its not just that, we wouldn't just lose our DR, we would literally lose our skin because antinite cancels void effects.

>>38462118
But the most important question, would it make sexytiem impossible

>>38462142
>Its not just that, we wouldn't just lose our DR, we would literally lose our skin because antinite cancels void effects.
How would that manifest as anything other than losing DR?

>>38462118
Anti magic and possible anything with the name Form affixing would really really hurt, al lot.

>>38462135
I sincerely doubt Pally would let that happen. Besides anything anti-magic would ignore DR completely and do massive damage. We do that that anti magic religion after us too.

>>38462135
The best part about Void skin is that it would force everyone looking at us to make SAN checks all the time like other Void effects.

>>38462107
>Could Invulnerable Hide block the damage from light?

Yes, but only for a short time, Invulnerable Hide is designed to block attacks, not ongoing effects.

A better question might be can you Adapt to it?

>>38462118
>If we end up keeping it and corrupting it into void flesh, would there be some kind of lemonade out of lemons thing with it, like higher miss chance against us?

I imagine it would have some benefits, yes

>>38462153
>A better question might be can you Adapt to it?
ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET THE FABLED MIRROR FAVOR FROM THIS?

>>38462149
X1000000% damage.

>>38462149
The exact same as losing our skin right now through sun exposure.

>>38462153
Thats a thing I hadn't considered yet, the delicious irony if Mirrors gift saves us here.

>>38462161
No, he is implying we could use Adaptive Mutation to get a mutation protecting us from Sunlight or muscle exposure.
Which might give us Mirror favour, but thats secondary.

It's too late but I've had an idea, we say yes, to to Mum, make a plan to change the fate of this world by bringing back the oceans, make sure Rainya has a say in it, pick the shadow option at some point.

>Corrupting
>Adapting
>Changeing
No, how about we make it go away.
Have you thought about the human aspect of this? It sucks not to have normal/real skin, it makes it pretty weird interacting with normal people, not the mention our girlfriend.

Copy Adaptation: By touching a living creature you can copy any mutation or natural ability it has for a cost of 3 psychic energy (sometimes more). A bird can give you wings to fly with, a rat can give you fur and a tail etc. This only works on living targets.
You may also copy Gifts that grant physical mutations, at a cost of 3 points of psychic energy/rank, up to a maximum rank that the touched creature has it.
If combined with Permanent Adaptation you can gain the Gift permanently, for two-thirds the normal XP cost, and allows you to turn even permanent mutation-based Gifts *on* and *off* at will.

Copy Form: By touching a living creature you can spend 15 psychic energy points to transform into an identical copy of them. You are physically identical to them, including any physical gifts they have, at the full level – however you lose access to your own physical gifts except Adaptive Mutation and its expansions.
This lasts for 1 hour per point of Willpower modifier you have, you may spend another 15 points of psychic energy to extend the duration by another 1 hour per point of Willpower modifier, or let it end.
You cannot use Permanent Adaptation with Copy Form.
Requires: Copy Adaptation

Permanent Adaptation: One of your adaptations becomes permanent, you can activate or deactivate it at will – allowing you to conceal visible ones. You must have used an adaptation normally before you can purchase it, though you could certainly but yourself in harmful situations to develop them before they are needed (such as holding your head underwater to develop water-breathing).
The XP cost varies depending upon the adaptation, but is typically rated 1-5.

>>38462184
>No, how about we make it go away.
We can't just make it go away, thats the issue.
The only one who could make it go away is Baalzi.

>>38462188
Yes, we already got there, thanks for joining the rest of us already at the point that Adaptive Mutation is a solution.

>>38462151
>>38462162
>>38462165
Even if it's just as bad (doubt), it's still something we can deal with later when we have some degree of time and resources instead of being a gigantic weak spot for the wizard to exploit.

>>38462184
>I want to sell Lirael to Baalzamon 100% for muh perfect human skin
Ok.

>>38462196
>it's still something we can deal with later
Assuming we can even do it right now.

Which, you know. We have no reason to assume since right now we don't even HAVE Void powers.

>>38462201
Not that anon
We could get them right now. If this isn't a narratively appropriate moment then I don't know what is.

>>38462201
Narratively appropriate time, anon.

>>38462200
Lirael isn't part of this deal, though?

>>38462196
We can also just use Adaptive Mutation and circumvent the problem entirely until we have the time and resources in our realm to deal with it.

We don't need a solution 'right now'.

>Void Shee, humanoid nothingness with flowing vibrant red hair and piercing green eyes.

>>38462210
Deal's not set in stone, he could change it as he wishes.

>>38462210
>Lirael isn't part of this deal, though?
You don't know that. There is a reason Baalzi is being so vague.
And now think about it for a moment, and realise he specified "Shadows ... and not something else" he fucking knows.

>>38462210
Baalzamon has already shown the ability to read our mind without us noticing at all before. Shee has thought about how to worm out of having Lirael go full-shadows. Though she doesn't know how she'd actually do it, she's had thoughts about changing it to something else with her power.

That "pick shadows and not something else" was pretty damn telling.

>>38462221
>Baalzamon has already shown the ability to read our mind without us noticing at all before.
Not more so than the other gods, to be fair.

I hope Shee's at least polite in declining the offer and doesn't just be all "Fuck yo darkness, I'm goin to the King."

>>38462215
>Deal's not set in stone, he could change it if he wishes
Not really how deals work anon.

>>38462219
>>38462221
It's possible, I suppose, but every other line seems to me like he's asking something unrelated to Lirael to me.

>>38462241
>It's possible, I suppose, but every other line seems to me like he's asking something unrelated to Lirael to me.
It may look unrelated to Lirael, but I would bet anything that it will work into the plan somewhere. Dudes a plotter.

>>38462241
It definitly affects more than just her, but its very possible it will still affect her.

Now, I like Baalzamon, but I'm not gonna agree to do something for him we don't even know what it is. Thats just a terrible idea to me.

>>38462241
>Not really how deals work anon.
He's kept it vague for a reason, It's so vague it could be anything. He hasn't spelled it out in advance because it could change, then he'd waste this. Dealing with Baalzi is liking dealing with a devil, cross every T dot every I, him being vague only fucks us over.

On the bright side, Jane doesn't know about this mutation so she's not going to have light spells prepped probably.

>>38462263
>He hasn't spelled it out in advance because it could change
Now thats ddefinitly untrue, he specifically made clear in the deal this applies to one specific potential choice.
If the choice he rrefers to doesn't come up, the bargain is fulfilled, by his own words. So he can't change what the choice is.

Of course we don't know what exactly we would be agreeing to, which is pretty damn bad.

>>38462263
>I don't want to deal with a devil
>Better go ask the King of Hell for help.
I know, I know. Still funny to me.

>>38462279
>the deal this applies to one specific potential choice
>So he can't change what the choice is
There is nothing preventing him from saying 'oh hey, this was the choice I was talking about' any time in the future. And we have no way of calling him out on it.

>>38462300
Nah, thats just not how he works.

He made the outlines of the choice very clear, deciding of fate of a lot of people between us, a god and a mortal, not very many situations where that could happen.
Even assuming he would just change what choice he is talking about at all, which I very much doubt.

I hope King offers Hesan that we can just leave on forever. That'd be awesome.

>>38462312
Eh, definitly not worth a deal then, when we have other options.
I rather not be trapped in demon form, thats just all sorts of bad when dealing with the Syrnians.

>>38462321
It's not going to be a pleasant dealing with them no matter what we do.

>>38462312
Not ideal at all, but better than dying to sunlight and we'd be able to hop into hell at will. Plus we'd be able to buy other forms and meld them in.

>>38462312
Or, you know, something useful.

>>38462330
Yeah, but looking like a demon won't help us much. Neither with them, not with anyone else.

Its just a huge problem to have that as our natural shape, I rather go VoidFlesh/AdaptiveMutation.
Especially since we will have to still do a task for him to get something so sub-optimal.

“I’ll pass thanks” you say “as you say, perhaps another of the Five will-”

Once again you feel incredible pain as you are back in the forest, walking along with Lirael by your side. As dim as the light is down in the canyon, and with the canopy overhead you only feel like you’ve been dipped in boiling water. Still, you jerk to a halt, a hiss escaping between your teeth.

Lirael turn to look at you “Shee?” she asks, her eyes going wide “What’s wrong? And why is your skin all black and melty? Are you sick?”

The pain is...bearable, just. You look down at your hands and see your once pale skin has turned as black as night, and where the light touches it, it slowly boils away. Within you, you can feel one of your Gifts ready to be used, the ability to mutate and adapt to new situations and environments. You wonder what an adaptation to light would do to you?

Well, a back-up option perhaps, for now.

“Just a small problem” you say to Lirael “for now, I just need to speak to the King of Hell.”

You sink to your knees and start to pray “King of Hell, Ruler of the Pit, should your faithful servant fall, welcome me home...”
---
You’re still kneeling, but on a cold floor, no not cold, made of ice. You’re in a tunnel of some sort, that’s seemingly carved into ice. Looming over you, a mere three metres in height, is the King of Hell. There’s very dim light here, which downgrades your pain to feeling like you’re being stung by bees. The freezing cold helps numb you somewhat.

“Lord of Hell” you say “I-”

He snorts and offers you a long thick white robe, wrapping it around yourself you feel the pain fade away, not even your exposed flesh feels anything from the dim light.

“Walk with me” he says, leading you through a series of interconnected ice tunnels, no other demons or anyone else in sight.

“I thought Hell was all about fire” you say as you walk alongside the red-skinned demon.

“Mostly” he says “but we like to keep enough variety, well, Daughter of Death of Tyrants, you have an interesting puzzle ahead of you.”

Ah yes, the reason you are here “Baalzamons deal sounded so vague” you say “So easy to twist into something that can be used against me, my lord” you say “I thought about trying to solve the problem myself, but I hoped you might offer me advice.”

“Advice is free” says the King of Hell, pausing to inspect an icy wall, within it you can see people trapped, one blinks at you, silently screaming.

“So your body, all the way down to your bones is now a mixture of flesh, and shadows” says the King “your skin is almost completely shadow, further down, things get more real but still, vulnerable to light.”

“What can I do?” you ask the King “to get rid of this?”

“It depends upon what you want” says the King “your flesh can be restored, though the price for that is high – any one of us tampering in anothers domain can only be done according to certain prices we set each other, so the price charged to you would be higher” you nod glumly, another task...

“A Gift that replaces the shadows with something else” says the King, walking on again “would be cheaper, I think you’d look good in red perhaps, a match for your father. The robe is free if you want it, but can only block some light, and as a magical object it can be stolen, or its powers suppressed. You might be able to grow some sort of plant armour I suppose, though there were some living suits of armour at that psychic facility place that would suffice too. What do you want to do?”

Your response?
>I’ll handle this myself
>I’ll take the robe, thank you
>I’ll ask another of the Five (who?)
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
>What living suits of armour?
>Other (what?)

>>38462359
>I’ll take the robe, thank you

>>38462335
Hesan would be useful, and if we're stuck in a demon form 24/7 its the best one we could get because we could still pass for human with it. That being said, I'd rather get our regular body back.


>>38462359
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
So I may know all my options.

>>38462359
>I’ll take the robe, thank you

>>38462359
>What living suits of armour?
>I’ll handle this myself, thank you.

>>38462375
Facility is still a no fly zone for us.

>>38462367
>>38462373
Won't handle it all and mirror bitch could steal it.


Can we at least ask the price before we nope out?

>>38462359
>What living suits of armour?
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?
>I’ll take the robe, thank you
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462372
>Hesan would be useful
It would be useful if we only had a choice among the demon forms, yes.
In that regard being the least terrible choice, not a good one.

>>38462384
>Facility is still a no fly zone for us.
Get Artifice, make a living suit of armour in our realm.
Problem solved.

In this one case the Artifice fags are actually right.

>>38462359
>You might be able to grow some sort of plant armour I suppose
Randolph is the best son. Not really sure if I wanna do this, but it mite b cool

>>38462403
We'd need schematics for it. Even then our armor gets pierced? GG no re.

>>38462359
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?
>I’ll take the robe, thank you
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462375
>>38462392
Fuck symbiotes. That also wouldn't really fix our problem, and the weakness would still be present if they manage to eat through the armor's HP.

>>38462359
>What living suits of armour?
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462359
>I’ll take the robe, thank you
>What price for demon-skin?
Am I going to look like a freak?
I have a girlfriend you know

also >What living suits of armour?

>>38462373
Adding
>What living suits of armour?
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462359
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462412
Anon pls don't vote for exclusive options.

>>38462359
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?

>>38462359
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?

>>38462409
Incorporate it more fully into us using Artifice.

>>38462359
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?
>I’ll handle this myself

Hell Dad is nice, but I want no freebies from him.
Time to tweak Mirrors nose again by using his gift to save our ass.

>>38462441
Then it'd start being shadow too. Boom loses usefulness.

>>38462359
>I’ll handle this myself

>>38462441
>Void body, create Normal Shee body, fit impossibly inside it.

>>38462432
>Anon pls don't vote for exclusive options.
Sorry, kept changing what I wanted to vote for and forgot to actually delete the old parts of the vote.

>>38462359
>>38462412
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
>Does this condition affect my transformative gifts too?

>>38462448
OP confirmed that Artifice might be able to fix it, actually.

>>38462445
>Implying it'd be that easy.

>>38462448
Not necessarily, it transforms our skin, the armour wouldn't be our skin even if its part of us.

>>38462409
>Even then our armor gets pierced? GG no re.
>Our skin gets pireced, gg no re.
What sort argument is that? The armour being damaged won't make all of it disappear.

>>38462448
Only the natural cybernetics produced by artifice would be made of shadows. Getting/making new cybernetics and just using Artifice to help us install them better wouldn't turn them into shadows.

>>38462359
>What price to have me restored as I was?
>What price for demon-skin?
Just information. Knowing the price is better than assuming shit and missing out.

>>38462472
That's the argument of a person who is reaching for reasons to support his opinion rather than forming an opinion after having seen reasons.

>>38462472
What sort argument is that? The armour being damaged won't make all of it disappear
Sun would get in, we'd die.

>>38462472
>The armour being damaged won't make all of it disappear.
If it's HP goes to 0, then we'd be about as vulnerable to light attacks as we would without it. Also, the possibility of surprise attacks when our armor isn't on or it being pierced by a laser weapon or some other kind of light-based weaponry.

>>38462485
Sun would get in and it would fuck us up in the part where it touched us. Sun fucks up what it hits, it doesn't turn our whole body into ash if we get some on our foot or even going through our chest. It would fucking suck, yes, but it's not the instakill you're portraying it as.

>>38462485
>Sun would get in, we'd die.
I'm not sure why you don't understand that our skin being pierced is always a bad thing.
And sun touching the shadow skin doesn't kill us instantly. Especially not on a small patch.

>>38462499
>Also, the possibility of surprise attacks when our armor isn't on or it being pierced by a laser weapon or some other kind of light-based weaponry.
This armour wouldn't be something we would take off. It would replace our skin.
And it being pierced by something is about as bad as our skin being pierced by something.

>>38462518
>about as bad as our skin being pierced by something.
Probably more along the lines of applying extra fire damage to everything that pierces our skin.

>>38462518
>And it being pierced by something is about as bad as our skin being pierced by something.
Laser weapons would still get bonus damage.

>This armour wouldn't be something we would take off. It would replace our skin.
Now I really don't want it at all, even less than I did before. I'd rather just get demon-skin than serec-skin.

Writing handle it yourself and will it affect transformations

first one had the most votes, second is no harm in asking.

Asking the prices also had high votes, but if you've decided to handle it yourself, there's no point in asking about these.

>>38462503
If it pierces over our heart or face it's insta death.

>>38462509
>Implying we got hit hard enough it'd only be a small patch.
Sunder armor is pretty easy to get anon.

>>38462518
Not really, our skin would likely have a higher DR except against light. Our skin getting pierced now isn't a big deal cause of our native DR, our armor get pierced we'll take massive DoT.

>>38462533
...we're not taking the robe? Damn.

>>38462530
>Laser weapons would still get bonus damage.
No, they wouldn't. They would only get bonus damage if they happen to hit the small exposed part.
And we could desgin the armour to look however we want.

>>38462533
Why is it anons fail at reading comprehension?
ask costed us nothing.

>>38462537
Not enough votes, or I'll take care of it myself negates it.

>>38462537
The robe is honestly rather pointless if we deal with this now.

>At Darkness 5 you can summon a patch of magical darkness up to 1 metre in radius per point of Willpower modifier you have. This costs a single point of psychic energy and lasts for 1 minute per point of Willpower modifier you have.

I know it's not gonna happen.

>>38462549
Still would be nice to have if we fail, especially considering the CR is likely going to be obscene.

>>38462546
>ask costed us nothing.
If that would be true Pally would have included it under the same "no harm " policy as asking about transformative gifts.

>>38462533

Are we at corruption 5 or 6 currently?

We got like 2or 3 or so in the well area.

>>38462563
>If that would be true Pally would have included it under the same "no harm " policy as asking about transformative gifts.
Except you know, Saying I'll take care of it myself without even asking directly countermands them.

>Asking the prices also had high votes, but if you've decided to handle it yourself, there's no point in asking about these.

Learn to read.

>>38462577
5.

>>38462577
5

>>38462540
>They would only get bonus damage if they happen to hit the small exposed part.
So a called shot, which wouldn't be phenomenally difficult, or, if you were able to read, you'd see that I was talking about the laser weapon itself piercing the armor, which is likely, as lasers can be assumed to have high penetration.

>And we could desgin the armour to look however we want.
What would lead you to assume that? More likely it's crab armor that links into our nervous system.

>>38462563
He probably didn't want a repeat of a similar situation with Jaggantha.

>>38462585
>if you were able to read
Fuck, missed one of the insults.

>>38462585
>What would lead you to assume that?
Because we would be making it?
Why wouldn't we be able to do that?

>>38462585
>as lasers can be assumed to have high penetration
They don't have any higher penetration. Just look up the mechanics in the setting paste.

>>38462604
>Because we would be making it?
>Why wouldn't we be able to do that?
Because we don't know how to make one yet?

>>38462585
>What would lead you to assume that? More likely it's crab armor that links into our nervous system.
Not that guy, but I'd be incredibly surprised if we couldn't slam the armor with Corruption and make it look better.

>>38462604
>Because we would be making it?
The living armor we're talking about is the serec-symbiotes from the facility, we wouldn't be making them.

>They don't have any higher penetration.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a mod that lets them bypass DR, and their damage is still high enough that they can probably beat the living armor's DR, which means we get to take a ton of damage.

>>38462620
It's still a suit of armor instead of an actual solution.

>>38462618
How is that relevant to the question of if we could make it look how we wanted to, if we came to make one?
Obviously we have to find out how to do so first, but that has no relevance to the question of how it would look.

>>38462631
>It's still a suit of armor instead of an actual solution.
I never said it changed the effectiveness, I was merely responding to your issues with the potentially bad looks.

>>38462631
>I wouldn't be surprised if there's a mod that lets them bypass DR
The explicit difference between energy weapons and projectile weapons is that energy weapons can't be modded like that.

>The living armor we're talking about is the serec-symbiotes from the facility, we wouldn't be making them.
Why would we not just reverse engineer those?

>>38462636
If we don't want to get offed by sunlight we need it Asap. We can't afford to figure out how to make one in the middle of this combat zone.

>>38462652
Its obviously not a solution for right now, its a solution for when we get back home.
However, we don't have a longterm solution right now except to ask for a favour.

>>38462676
That armor isn't one either. We need to ask a favor. Voidflesh even if we do manage it basically turns us into walking mindrape for our friends and workers.

>>38462683
>That armor isn't one either.
It definitly would be one.

As a matter of fact its currently the best not-favour solution available to us.

I like the plant solution.

>>38462644
>I was merely responding to your issues with the potentially bad looks.
But it wouldn't really fix it, it'd still have the same appearance issues, we'd just be able to make it look like something else other than crab armor, while my main problem is that it'd be something we have to wear constantly which inhibits normal interaction.

If it wasn't being considered as a full replacement, I'd be fine with crab armor, because it looks badass, but we can't circumvent that fundamental issue.

>>38462650
>energy weapons can't be modded like that.
They can be modded like that, actually, they just can't use modded ammo.

>Why would we not just reverse engineer those?
It doesn't make a difference to me whether we do or not.

>>38462690
>It definitly would be one.
No, it's really not. Aside from barely handling the weakness better than the robe, it has a number of issues we can't fix with it.

>>38462690
>It definitly would be one.
first of all you spelled definitely wrong, second of all it manes no more personal contact with any of our loved ones, ever.

>As a matter of fact its currently the best not-favour solution available to us.
Stating Opinions as facts.

Armor can be pierced or sundered easily via spell, champion power, or gifts. Skin doesn't have that limitation. All it takes is someone to smash our armor and we die.

>>38462652
I suggested a plant suit before, it does nothing but cover us from light. But she doesn't know that.

>>38462709
>No, it's really not. Aside from barely handling the weakness better than the robe, it has a number of issues we can't fix with it.
Name a better non-favour solution then.

It IS the best solution short of getting rid of the problem completly.
It has the least issues of any non-favour solution.

“Will this affect my transformative Gifts?” you ask.

The King shakes his head “mostly not” he says “only those that allow you access to your other mutation will incorporate your shadow-flesh, those that forbid the use of such physical abilities, will not.”

“Thank you for your advice” you say “but I will handle this myself”.

“As you wish” says the King of Hell, one eyebrow raised in surprise “was there anything else?”

“No” you say “thank you for your time my Lord”

Once again you are back in the forest, and your skin is burning up, you feel like its peeling away from you.

“Shee something’s wrong isn’t it?” says Lirael “what do you need?”

“Some shade” you say “I need to think.”

Obligingly the trees around you move their branches to provide you as much shade as they can, broad leaves spreading, and the pain goes down a few notches, meaning you can think mostly clearly.

So a deal with Baalzamon is out, and you’ve told the King of Hell you’ll deal with this yourself, but what do you do?

Actions?

>Ask Randolph to grow you a cloak or something (May take time)
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)
>Just handle the pain (exclusive option)
>Other plan (what?)

sorry for the delay, was on the phone

>>38462717
Too easy to pierce and get auto killed.

>>38462724
>It IS the best solution short of getting rid of the problem completly.
You mean other than a favor.
>It has the least issues of any non-favour solution.
Debatable, we still should have gotten a favor to deal with this, Now we're going to get fucked over by anyone who has sunder armor.


All this supposing we can actually get one before our fight. (we can't)

>>38462716
>first of all you spelled definitely wrong, second of all it manes
>manes
I know its petty, but you should really know to spellcheck better when you try the "you spelled something wrong hur dur".

Second of all, there is a reason why its supposed to be "living" armour, sense of feeling through is would not be a issue.

>>38462716
>Stating Opinions as facts.
And yet you clearly had no contradicting evidence, so yes, it is the best non-favour solution available to us, all of them have issues, every solution short of completly reversing the problem has issues.

And of all the means available to us without favour, it is by far the one with the least issues.

>>38462724
Are you really so averse to favor that you're willing to voluntarily weaken us?

Aside from having to break into the facility, which is probably as difficult or more difficult than the demon-skin favor, it's barely a solution.

Artifice. Permanent Mutation. Voidflesh. Anything that doesn't involve being the weaponized equivalent of a bubble boy.

>>38462749
>Other plan (what?)
Blast our shadowflesh with Impossibility and Corruption.

>>38462749
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)

>>38462749
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)


>>38462753
>Are you really so averse to favor that you're willing to voluntarily weaken us?
I voted for asking for the skin, but others have voted against it, so I'm only left with the choices available to us.

>>38462753
Anon. You do realise that Voidflesh is a horrible idea, it would force SAN checks on everyone looking at us all the time. Because thats what Void effects do.
Pemtament Mutation will not be a good longterm solution, I guarantee you.
Artifice IS the living armour solution, its basically the same thing.

>>38462749
>>Ask Randolph to grow you a cloak or something (May take time)
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)


>>38462763
Wouldn't help Corruption makes thing more like us. Impossibility would turn us into walking mindrape to every living thing.

>>38462749
>>Ask Randolph to grow you a cloak or something (May take time)
>>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)

>>38462749
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)

>>38462786
>Artifice IS the living armour solution, its basically the same thing.
I want to push for kickass(imo) sYmbiote armor girl fetish
>Pemtament Mutation will not be a good longterm solution, I guarantee you.
At least check it first.

We couldn't get one now anyways

>>38462786
>>38462787
It might not. Void powers specify that a void-user can protect normal people from the harmful effects if they want.

>>38462749
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)
Now this is gonna be interesting.

>>38462803
It'd also make us super easy for anyone with Form affixing blow, or anything anti magic to kill us.

>>38462812
And it makes it harder for anyone without those to kill us.

>>38462798
I really have no idea what the issue with you is.

Of COURSE we will use AM for now because we have nothing else available.
Why is this even a trhing you are saying?
Do you you think we just walk away now to make living armour right now?

>inb4 adaptive mutation weaves a bunch of light-bending metamaterials through our skin
That'd be cool. It'd also turn us permanently invisible, but it'd be cool.

>>38462814
>And it makes it harder for anyone without those to kill us.
Thats a asumptiom on your side, and being slightly harder to kill isn't worth being crippled against anyone with antinite.

>>38462814
Donni had form affixing blow it isn't hard to get. A simple dispel magic could kill us.


>>38462821
Yes, considering how hard you pushed for it and that 's the best thing ever.

>>38462749
Does using Adaptive Mutation instead of a different method grant Mirror Favor here?

I was fairly sure we can still get favor even if he doesn't give gifts.

>>38462836
>Yes, considering how hard you pushed for it and that 's the best thing ever.
Except I never said its the best thing ever, stop being sucha faggot about this. I said its the best non-favour solution available, I never said its a great solution.
None of the non-favour solutions are great.

>>38462786
>San checks
That only happens at very high levels of Void when our aura of fuck you is activated.

>Pemtament Mutation will not be a good longterm solution, I guarantee you.
You have no way of knowing that, this could just be an elaborate measure to get us to use more adaptive mutation, or it could be one of those things Pally has done before where it's a major issue with a relatively simple solution.

>Artifice IS the living armour solution, its basically the same thing.
Except not really at all. The former is a suit of armor, the latter is near-indistinguishable from regular flesh.

>>38462812
The former is would be blocked by Invulnerable Hide.

>>38462832
OP confirmed that Voidflesh does something beneficial.

>>38462836
>A simple dispel magic could kill us.
Doubtful.

>>38462832
From Pally;
>I imagine it would have some benefits, yes

Considering one of the main benefits of void effects is passive miss chance, it's no more assumption than assuming that being made of shadows gives some stealth bonuses in the dark.

>>38462749
>Adaptive Mutation (6PE)

>>38462836
>A simple dispel magic could kill us.
Please explain this one to me because it doesn't make much sense to me.

Also Form Affixing Blow doesn't do anything for miss chance. Pally said that Blink would have been a great thing to use against Donni because he had to actually hit us for it to take effect. On a miss it doesn't do anything.

>>38462858
>The former is would be blocked by Invulnerable Hide.
Only in invulnerable hide doesn't count as magic.

>Doubtful.
We'd be made of fucking magic. At the very least we'd lose a lot of health.

>>38462872
>Please explain this one to me because it doesn't make much sense to me.
We'd be made of void/magic. It dispels magic, our body goes poof. Dead.

>>38462858
>That only happens at very high levels of Void when our aura of fuck you is activated.
Thats wrong, every manifestation of Void forces SAN checks. The portal does, as do the arms.
And our entire skin being a Void manifestation would definitly be a large enough manifestation of Void.


>>38462858
>Except not really at all. The former is a suit of armor, the latter is near-indistinguishable from regular flesh.
Are you retarded? One is a rtificial covering, the other is a artificial covering. Its the same fucking thing. We can freely design the living armour, thats the fucking point. Living armour IS the artifice solution.

>>38462858
>OP confirmed that Voidflesh does something beneficial.
Something beneficial does not mean its something that makes us harder to kill.
It could be all kinds of things.

>>38462858
>The former is would be blocked by Invulnerable Hide.
Invulernable Hide doesn't protect against the effect of Form Affixing Blow.

>>38462880
>We'd be made of void/magic. It dispels magic, our body goes poof. Dead.
There's no way that just goes through and instakills us without some sort of opposing roll on our end.

>>38462888
Oh yeah, I sure want to bet our life on a single roll in every fight. Seems like a fantastic idea to me.

>>38462882
>Invulernable Hide doesn't protect against the effect of Form Affixing Blow.
Yes it does. FAB vs IH got asked before and IH wins. Now to go find the post because I know you're going to just post
>[citation needed]

Your skin begins to ingle and change, even as, to your sight, the light appears to dim. Over the course of a minute or so you can feel *something* happening, but you’re not sure what. Still, the main thing is that the pain goes away, you no longer feel any of the burning pain from before.

[PE 51/57]

“Shee you look different” says Lirael “shiny.”

“Really?” you say, you look down at your hands, instead of being made from shadow, they shine slightly, you blink, only to feel some sort of covering on your eyes, like tinted contacts.

You step out of the shade and your hands get brighter, appearing to-

“And now you’re glowing” says Lirael “like, like a Graced when they turn into an angel, sort of.”

It seems your body has adapted to the light by reflecting it. You no longer take damage from light, but you are rather conspicuous, at least when there is light around.

[-10 to stealth checks when not in darkness]

Still, that’s good enough for now you suppose. You head back to the main encampment and outline your plan to your allies. They take your shinier status in their stride, having seen weirder stuff before.

“No!” protests Lirael “I want to come with, not just Rainya and Kaelyn!”

You had planned to take one of the Rainyas, and Kaelyn, and jump right into Jane Vindels lair, you don’t expect you can surprise her truly, but perhaps you can bypass some of her traps.

“Shee right Lirael” says Kaelyn “the fewer the better on this mission: I can block chaos magic, Rainya can block her divination powers, I say lets go.”

“Are you going now?” asks Dev “I mean, with the whole glowing thing, aren’t you going to fix that first?”

Are you?

>Stick to the plan
>Other (what?)

>>38462838
Not as a temporary fix, no, a permanent one would likely do it though.

>>38462882
Eeeeh, kinda doubt that it'd inflict san checks against your will. You could probably make it look normal on the outside. Or just corrupt your flesh to your will and make it human again, that might be worth a shot.

The Artifice solution could go below the skin instead of just being a covering. It'd also look exactly the same as you do now, and the symbiotes may or may not be able to do that. If they can, you probably don't get much DR from that state, which means that light-based weaponry is still a huge problem.

I'm considering making a voidflesh upgrade tree.

I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that it does, actually.

>>38462926
>Stick to the plan
>I need to be able to gestalt with you so you can support my powers Lirael, and you know how it works, I want you to be safe when I do it because you wouldn't be able to defend yourself.
We don't want stealth anyway.

>>38462935
>Eeeeh, kinda doubt that it'd inflict san checks against your will.
I find the assumptiom silly Voidlfesh is the perfect solution that fixes everything without any negative effects.
Nor do I see how we could make it look normal on the outside without using illusions.

>>38462935
>Or just corrupt your flesh to your will and make it human again
That doesn't work, Corruption makes things like us. Shee isn't human.

>>38462926
>Stick to the plan
>lend my some of you clothing, that should help with the shining for now

>>38462926
>Stick to the plan
>I need to be able to gestalt with you so you can support my powers Lirael, and you know how it works, I want you to be safe when I do it because you wouldn't be able to defend yourself.

>>38462926
>Not as a temporary fix, no, a permanent one would likely do it though.
I'd be down with it.

>>38462935
>The Artifice solution could go below the skin instead of just being a covering.
The skin isn't the issue though, its our flesh too thats now part shadow.
And if we replace it with organic-cyber stuff like artifice would, there is a good chance we just get cyber-shadows.

>>38462926
>Stick to the plan
>I need to be able to gestalt with you so you can support my powers Lirael, and you know how it works, I want you to be safe when I do it because you wouldn't be able to defend yourself.

>>38462969
>I find the assumptiom silly Voidlfesh is the perfect solution that fixes everything without any negative effects.
Nobody said it was, just that it's negative effects are less negative. I find the assumption that it inflicts uncontrollable sanity checks on everybody silly.

>Nor do I see how we could make it look normal on the outside without using illusions.
We could just make it so our flesh looks human from the outside when changing it, like a suit of human skin full of Void. Might be weird if we get cut, though.

>Corruption makes things like us
Corruption forces the world to be as we desire.

>>38463004
>The skin isn't the issue though, its our flesh too thats now part shadow.
Hence why the living armor isn't a real solution but Artifice could be.

>there is a good chance we just get cyber-shadows.
OP said that it's possible for us to fully replace our shadowflesh as a solution.

>>38462912
>>38462882
Found it.
>>38127332
>>38127344
>>38127381
Just follow the comment chant. FAB isn't the ultimate attack people have been portraying it as. It penetrates DR, so it more or less functions as Eviscerate that does less damage but can hit a few more things.

ok, here we go....

>>38463036
>OP said that it's possible for us to fully replace our shadowflesh as a solution.
No, he said we can replace it with cybernetics, which isn't at all the same thing as using artifice to transform our flesh into it.

Foreign cybernetics would definitly work, but I doubt I need to point out the issue with that.

>>38463036
>I find the assumption that it inflicts uncontrollable sanity checks on everybody silly.
Considering that is exactly what Void powers do. Its not silly at all, its supported by the existing mechanics.

>>38463049
Is this the part where Lirael dies because we didn't bring her?

>>38463049
How much XP does it cost us to make this mutation permanent so Jane can't remove it?

>>38463070
>Considering that is exactly what Void powers do.
What a small number of voluntarily activated void powers do.

>he said we can replace it with cybernetics, which isn't at all the same thing as using artifice to transform our flesh into it.
Your interpretation.

>>38463070
Different anon
>No, he said we can replace it with cybernetics, which isn't at all the same thing as using artifice to transform our flesh into it.

>Foreign cybernetics would definitly work, but I doubt I need to point out the issue with that.
The 'Artifice solution' as I understand it is to use artifice to help better integrate foreign cybernetics, not to transform our flesh into natural cybernetics.

>its supported by the existing mechanics.
You know what else is supported by existing mechanics? Void users being able to prevent SAN damage against people they don't want taking it.

>>38463070
>No, he said we can replace it with cybernetics, which isn't at all the same thing as using artifice to transform our flesh into it.

Okay anon. Lets be realistic for a moment.

Do you really think Pally would settle us with a not circumventable permanent mutation, just because he found fucking us over with it funnier than giving us a fair chance with a roll?

Pretty obviously there IS a good solution to make this a non-issue after some resource investment.

>>38463070
>Implying there won't be a convenient natural cybernetics upgrade that unshadows them

>>38463049
That sound foreboding

>>38463078
We should really stop giving Pally ideas

>>38463103
>Void users being able to prevent SAN damage against people they don't want taking it.
Not him, but I can't seem to find that rule, could you point me there with a quote so I can search it?

>>38463092
If we're spending xp I want to ask if we want fbb.

>>38463152
Its not about XP spending right now, I just want to know so we can't get fucked over with some "remove mutations" gift she might have.

>>38463144
>Any creature passing through these portals without at least 1 rank in Void or another Void-based power must make a DC 35 Constitution check or take 8d6 Eldritch damage unless led by one who has a number of ranks in this ability equal to the number of creatures following him.
Shee can currently take 6 people into the Void dimension place and walk around in there and they'll be 100% fine. If she takes more than 6 then people have to start rolling to not get fucked up.

To Lirael you say “I need to be able to gestalt with you so you can support my powers Lirael, and you know how it works, I want you to be safe when I do it because you wouldn't be able to defend yourself.”

“k” says Lirael sulkily, pouting as one of the Rainyas lead her away.

You, a Rainya and Kaelyn get ready, checking armour, weapons, and activating whatever powers you feel might be useful.

And then you teleport, right into Jane Vindels lair
---
It’s empty when you get there, there’s no one there, no one that you can see or hear anyway.

You all look around, wary “careful” says Kaelyn “there’s a lot of magic active here.”

All around you is a primate dwelling, kitchen, bed and the ritual circle space you saw before.

There’s two exists, you spot something moving at one, raising a weapon “get down!” you yell as a blast of plasma energy erupts you all manage to dive out of the way (or in your case, blink away), then you hear a lot of running legs, and the sound of metal striking stone, Jane, or a double?

The sound of running gets fainter as your ambusher flees.

“I was expecting more than a plasma gun” says Rainya “magical traps, monsters, something.”

“There’s plenty of magic here” says Kaelyn.

“And that sounds like a lure” you say, pointing to the exit where the stop came from.

“So what do we do?” asks Rainya, energy bow in one hand.

Actions?

>Chase after Jane
>Go out the other exit
>Stay here, have Kaelyn undo the spells
>Other (what?)

>>38463152
Only with Forged XP.

>>38463144
He probably means the rule under Voidwalker that lets Void users shield people from the effects of void exposure when dealing with void gates.

Void.

>>38463078
Not planning on it, but anything can happen

>>38463092
5XP

>>38463167
Thats not a rule saying we can prevent people from taking SAN checks from all Void effects at all anon.
It describes a specific limitation to that one power.

>>38463193
Doesn't that same power make a point of saying we can open void gates that don't mind-rape everyone that looks at them? Why not extrapolate that into the voidflesh?

Void gates are the only manifestation that doesn't require us actively trying to make people go insane to force a check, after all.

>>38463169
>Mind Link with one Rainya, have her go through the other exit
>have Kaelyn undo the spells
>gestalt with Lirael and Sense Minds.

>>38463193
If Shee can prevent someone from being negatively affected by sitting in the middle of the Void, she can prevent someone from being negatively affected by looking at a comparatively small chunk of void.

>>38463207
By actively wishing to do so. Thats a rather huge risk, all things considered that someone mighzt look at her without her supressing that effect.
What happens when she goes asleep?

>>38463169
>Mind Link with one Rainya, have her go through the other exit
>have Kaelyn undo the spells
>gestalt with Lirael and Sense Minds.

>>38463169

>Other
Have the war follower get over here
If she goes out she has to deal with the forest now, and it can tell us her position
>Go out the other exit
Together

>>38463207
>>38463205
The power actually only allows to prevent the taking os Eldritch damage through people Shee accompanies through the Void, the rules don't actually say we can supress the unrelated SAN checks that a tear directly into the Void forces. Because thats unrelated.

Mind link with Rainya, Gestalt with Lirael, Kaelyn undoes spells

Please roll 2d20, one for Kaelyn, second for Rainya.

Nothing has been said about Shee, so I'm keeping her with Kaelyn for now.

>All of the Void powers where it's Shee's void causing insanity require Shee to want to inflict it and spend PE to do so
>She can also choose to shield someone from the sheer mindrape of the true void and do it without a roll at all
>Therefore voidflesh must mindrape everyone around us.
vs
>Void gives always-on bonuses to miss chance and helps with psychoportation
>This must mean that it would give us even more of those all the time!
vs
>Voidflesh is the shittiest thing we'd instantly die to form affixing blow and antinite everywhere space catholics would fuck us up.

The assumptions on all sides are hilarious. Everyone spewing their opinions as if it was fact.

Rolled 1, 2 = 3 (2d20)

>>38463301
Didn't the winning vote specifically say to Sense Minds?

>>38463318
it did, thanks for spotting

Rolled 11, 17 = 28 (2d20)

>>38463301
Scared to roll, doing it anyway.

Hope I don't fuck it up.

>>38463169
>Go back and take the King's deal, we didn't even listen to him.

>>38463298
Well, if you want something else there's the Hands of the Devourer. We can make a mass of Void-arms far bigger than Shee is and people could stare at those all day but it isn't going to cause SAN or eldritch damage until they grab the person and Shee makes it start happening.

Rolled 9, 20 = 29 (2d20)

>>38463303
>All of the Void powers where it's Shee's void causing insanity require Shee to want to inflict it and spend PE to do so
This is wrong.

>The portal can manifest as either a ripple in space or a tear leading directly into the Void. In the latter instance, anyone that looks directly at it must make a DC 20 check against Insanity.
Its a direct effect from lookin directly into the Voids, its not something Shee has to choose beyond choosing to make a tear.

Also, there is no rule allowing Shee to protect anyone from this SAn check, it only allows her to prevent Eldritch damage against people she leads through a Void gate.

Please learn to read before making blatantly false assertions like that.

>>38463301

>>38463340
>its not something Shee has to choose beyond choosing to make a tear.
We can also make gates that don't mind-rape people but still function as void gates, we might be able to do something similar in regards to voidflesh.

>>38463340
Maybe you should learn to read before you say other people should.

That is from staring directly into the true Void itself.
>All of the Void powers where it's Shee's void causing insanity require Shee to want to inflict it and spend PE to do so
This is talking about the void that Shee generates, which does not include the Void plane thing.

Two very different things.

>>38463358
>We can also make gates that don't mind-rape people but still function as void gates
No, we can only make smaller gates that don't directly make people look at the Void. Therefore not forcing SAN checks.
If we give Shee voidflesh, thats not an option, then people will directly look at the void and it would force SAN checks for the same reason a tear does.

>>38463368
You said all Void powers that cause insanity, Void gate is aVoid power and causes insanity, learn to properly express yourself then. Also

>When surrounding yourself with an Aura of Nothingness the radius increases to 1.5 metres per point of willpower modifier. Those within the aura must now make a DC 15 Willpower save against Fear each turn.
This does also not require us to expend extra PE for a mental effect in regards to Void exposure, and it also has no rule allowing Shee to supress the effect for allies.

In mental contact with Lirael you deepen the connection, until the two of you are in a gestalt. With your combined powers you sweep the area around you, looking for thinking minds, but finding nothing. Yeah, Jane probably has some sort of gift or spell to protect her against telepathy.

“Rainya” you say “check through there would you?” you point to the exit the shot didn’t come from.

“Right” says Rainya, heading out that way, bow in hand. As she does so, you link your mind to hers, so you can keep in contact.

“Kaelyn” you say “see if you can undo some of the spells here”

“This will take time” she says, mystical energies gathering around her hands “but I’ll do what I can.”

-Anything Rainya?- You ask after a few minutes of watching Kaelyn.

-Nothing yet- She says –wait, I think I see a- ow, dammit!-

-Rainya, what’s happened?- you ask.

-It’s her- says Rainya –She hit me with a spell of some kind, damn that hurt, I’m going after her!-

Actions?

Shee

>Stay put
>No after Rainya
>Other (what?)

Rainya

>Head back to the main room
>No orders
>Other (what?)

Kaelyn

>Keep Dispelling
>Other (what?)

>>38463397
>You said all Void powers that cause insanity,
No I didn't, I said
>All of the Void powers where it's Shee's void causing insanity

Maybe that was somewhat awkwardly worded, but it is still understandable and you're reading it wrong./

>>38463172
>Only with Forged XP.
That was what I meant, no point wasting real xp on it. I'd also like to get some might with it so we can get some of the better Juggy gifts.

>>38463397
>No, we can only make smaller gates that don't directly make people look at the Void. Therefore not forcing SAN checks.
The portals are the same not-size, actually.

>>38463410
Its always the Void itself causing the insanity, there is no "Shees Void". The other powers cause Insanity because they expose the victim to the Void.

>>38463408
>Go after Rainya
Rainya
>Keep her in sight
Other Rainya
>Stay with Kaelyn
Kaelyn
>Keep dispelling

>>38463408
Shee/Rainya
Group up
Kaelyn
>Keep Dispelling

>>38463411

If we have fbb xp and get jaggy favor, we should just buy 2 levels of might then.

>>38463433
>The portals are the same not-size, actually.
Smaller in this case didn't refer to actual size, it refered to how how much it breaks down the barrier between reality and Void.
"Lesser" would have beena better word, but since I directly referenced the Ripple vs. Tear difference I thought it would be obvious.

It'd probably be completely fucking horrible, but Void flesh sure would give Shee that horrifying-god-of-crazy-shit feel.

>>38463408
I thought we had said to take two Rainyas with us, huh.
Well
>Stay put
>Head back to the main room
>Keep Dispelling

>>38463408
>Shee
Teleport to Rainya

>Rainya
I'll be with you in a sec

>Kaelyn
Keep dispel

>>38463408
>Stay put, Sense Minds (Imposibility)
>Head back to the main room
>Keep Dispelling
How much do you wanna bet she is in here somewhere? She is obviously trying to lure us away.

>>38463454
If you're sure Pally will let us buy it preemptively then that's fine anon.

>>38463496
>>Stay put, Sense Minds (Imposibility)
She knows we have Impossibility. I bet she's got spells prepared to mess with it somehow.

>>38463408
>>38463434
Changing to
>>38463496

>>38463505
Her knowing we have it, doesn't mean she has the means to do something about it.
She wasn't able to prevent us from piercing her Ward on the warehouse either.

Her best bet had been sofar to prevent us from having anything to use Imposibility with, like keeping her location secret and obfuscated instead of trying to prevent our teleportation.

Everyone back to the main room, sense minds (impossibility) and Kaelyn keeps dispelling.

Please roll me 3d20 and vote on extra PE for Sense Minds, average of 3 votes used.

Rolled 11, 18, 8 = 37 (3d20)

>>38463585
15

Rolled 18, 3, 9 = 30 (3d20)

>>38463585

Rolled 17, 10, 12 = 39 (3d20)

>>38463585
15

Rolled 10, 7, 8 = 25 (3d20)

>>38463585
155

>>38463606
forgot vote
15

>>38463585
>>38463611
>155
Fuck. That was a typo. I meant 15, don't count that as 155.

>>38463611
>>38463623
You've doomed us, anon.

-She’s trying to split us up- you send to Rainya –get back here, we’ll do this slow and careful,-

-Ok- says Rainya, returning to the central room shortly. Kaelyn keeps unravelling spells as you and Lirael reach out with your minds. Whatever Jane Vindel has used to shield her mind from yours, you *will* punch through it, you are not bound by the usual laws of magic after all.

-Can you create duplicate here?- You as Rainya as you work

-Sure- she responds, -by recombining with those elsewhere, I can create more anywhere I have at least one of me- Useful to know....

Suddenly you are able to sense....a lot of minds. Fourteen in all, some close, a mere thirty metres, some a few hundred metres distant. All are headed towards you and they are present in all directions. Either Jane has some guards in these tunnels...or that’s a lot of doubles.

[PE 35/57]

“How’re the spells coming along?” you ask Kaelyn

“A few more minutes” she says “And then they’ll all be- What is she doing?” asks Kaelyn irritably.

You look at Rainya, who shrugs.

“No you” says Kaelyn “her, the Vindel woman, I can sense a lot of spells being cast, barriers of some kind.”

Ah, doubles then, but erecting barriers, why against you? You can bypass things like that and she probably knows that, seems...odd.

Actions?

>Wait here until Kaelyn has removed all the spells in the main room
>Head out to investigate (who?)
>Other (what?)

>>38463733
>All port out NOW!

>>38463733
>Head out to investigate (who?)
>Shee

>>38463733
We should get out of here now

Also get the war-follower over here

>>38463733
>Head out to investigate
>all

>>38463765
The War Follower doesn't even fit into these caves

>>38463733
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

She's setting up barriers so that she can turn this entire cave into a death-trap. She's going to nuke it in here.

>>38463733
>Head out to investigate
>Everyone

>>38463733

She is going to blow it all up likely.

Set off a small nuke or something in here, or some other uber attack.

Barriers to lock it in and stop the blast.

Peobably should go hit her in her room right away.

>>38463795
That doesn't make a lot of sense, we can just teleport through those barriers, its defnitly not something so obvious.
So setting up barriers wouldn't serve any puprose except warn us.

>>38463733
>>Head out to investigate (who?)

Lets all go, need to hit her hard.

Does Shadow of the Depths work on our shadowflesh?

>>38463814
Maybe she does have a way to counter our Impossibility, or has a way to prevent us from taking allies with us when we Impossible Teleport.

Which would be a very narratively appropriate time to manifest Void powers so we can Void Jump + Voidwalker to open a gate for our allies.

>>38463881
We can already manifest a shadow gate.

>>38463881
>or has a way to prevent us from taking allies with us when we Impossible Teleport
A redirecting our teleportation is what I find most likely too.
She can't stop us from teleporting, but she can redirect it.

All investigating, ok

>>38463898
I think we can overpower redirection attempt too, but she might have her own aspect to try and counter ours.

>>38463886
Still requires a teleportation effect to open one of those. Void Jump can open void gates and is not a teleportation effect.

“We need to find out what she is doing” you say to Kaelyn and Rainya “C’mon” you all head to one of the closest minds, wandering through a maze of rocky tunnels until you see...Jane Vindel, just standing casually in the corridor about 10 metres away. She seems to waver slightly, an illusion? But you can definitely sense a mind there.

Rainya raises her bow to fire, only for Kaelyn to say “Wait!”

Jane Vindel just chuckles and shakes her head, then Kaelyn adds to you in a whisper “Force Wall, and a Reflection spell, not just for spells, but other attacks too.”

Yes, it seems as if there is some barrier in front of Vindel, distorting the light slightly.

“Are you sure we can’t come to a deal?” Asks Vindel

Your response?

>I’ll hear you out
>Teleport past the barrier next to Vindel (who?)
>Other (what?)

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I bet she's erecting barriers because we made the Old Forest fucking hate her,

>>38463995
>Apport her to us

>>38463995
>I’ll hear you out if you surrender

>>38464008
Why? She has 13 more bodies

>>38463976
>Void Jump can open void gates and is not a teleportation effect.
Void Walkers Void Gate is a as much a teleportation effect as Shadows Shadow Gate.

And Void Jump is not a option, because it would mean leaving our allies behind.

>>38463995
>Teleport past the barrier next to Vindel
>Shee

The question is, are those wards supposed to prevent us coming over to them, or something from their side to come to ours.

>>38463995
>Teleport past the barrier next to Vindel
>All

>>38464033
>Void Walkers Void Gate is a as much a teleportation effect as Shadows Shadow Gate.
Void Jump is explicitly not a teleportation effect and can open Void Gates, Shadow Jump requires a teleportation effect to open a Shadow Gate.

>>38463775
>I’ll hear you out

How does the 'submitting to other reunited work?'

>>38463995
>Teleport past the barrier next to Vindel
>All three

>>38463995
>Teleport past the barrier next to Vindel
>All

>>38463995
I really don't want to hear her out but I don't know who to teleport.

>>38464083
I'm thinking Kae.

>>38464066
>Void Jump is explicitly not a teleportation effect
It doesn't say anywhere it isn't one, so its not "explicitly not a teleportation effect" anymore so than Shadows Shadow Gate.

>>38464096
>This is not a teleportation effect and cannot be blocked by teleportation wards
Did you even read the power? It's primary benefit is that it's not a teleportation effect.

>>38464096
Not that guy, but a Void Jump isn't a teleportation effect.

A Void Portal is and I don't know why he thinks it's the same thing as a Void Jump.

teleport all, writing

>>38464113
Did you even read the power? It doesn't it isn't one anymore so than Shadow Gate does.
The point being, that if Void Gate isn't one, Shadow Gate isn't one either.

>>38464123
>Not that guy, but a Void Jump isn't a teleportation effect.
Void JUMP isn't one, but Void Jump doesn't allow us to teleport our allies so its rather irrelevant to the conversation.

>>38464144
>Void JUMP isn't one, but Void Jump doesn't allow us to teleport our allies so its rather irrelevant to the conversation.
I know. Might wanna read the second sentence before replying.

>>38464144
Shadow Gate requires a teleportation effect to open it, Void Gate does not. Read how they're opened and what powers need to be used to open them.

>>38464156
Sorry, that wasn't really directed at you, only my expression of confusion as to WTF is up with that anon then.

>>38464173
>First you must use Psychoportation or Void Jump to travel from one location to the other, second, make a DC 15 Nihil Dominus check and spend 6 psychic energy points, success opens a portal.

>First you must use Psychoportation to travel from one location to the other, second, make a DC 15 Shadowcraft check and spend 6 psychic energy points, success opens a portal

Both can be opened with a Psychoportation Check.

Void Jump only allows us to teleport ourselves.

>>38464217
>Void Jump only allows us to teleport ourselves.
The created gate can then be used to transport our allies.

>>38464173
You confuse the fact that we can use Void Jump to OPEN a portal, with it being what transport us. The portal itself is in both cases equally much a teleportation effect, in my opinion it isn't one in either, but Void Jump as in "not a teleportation effect" is unrelated to that and only transports Shee herself.

>>38464248
And the gate itself is not Void Jump, its a gate, and its the sam egate regardless of how it is opened.

>>38464126
Kinda worried we didn't get a roll here.

You focus on moving past the barrier and you all appear next to Vindel.

She gapes for a moment before cursing, and turning to run, down the long corridor. Rainya raises her bow and says “can I?”

At the same time you feel a powerful burst of chaos magic. Moments later Kaelyn says “Its a spell to divert teleporting and gateways...somewhere else, but I don’t know where, very far” she pauses, then adds “and not on this planet.”

“How big?” you ask Kaelyn

“This who cave complex” she says “maybe even more, but what could they be doing?”

Vindel can move pretty quickly on those legs of her, but there’s plenty of time for Rainya to shoot her.

Still, you can sense she has some chaos magic on her as she flees.

“Kaelyn?” you ask

After a few moments concentration Kaelyn says “some protective magic, communication spells, nothing that would reflect attacks.”


“Shee?” asks Rainya, as you watch Vindel flee. She is about to reach a side tunnel, perhaps 50 metres distant.

>Take the shot Rainya
>Try to take her alive (how?)
>Use power (what?)
>Other (what?)

We already have void powers? When did that happen?

>>38464278
>Take the shot Rainya

>>38464278
>Use power
>Quickened Mind Reading

>>38464291
We don't.

>>38464278
>Take the shot Rainya

>>38464278
>Take the shot Rainya

>>38464291
We don't actually have them yet, we're just meta-aware that they're going to manifest and overwrite our shadow powers at some point in the narrative.

>>38464278
>Mind Reading(Quickened Impossible)

>>38464302
>>38464310
To what purpose?

>>38464278
>Take the shot Rainya
>Try to take her alive (how?)
Rainya blows some of the legs off, we shoot a super long tentacle after her by extending tentacles out of tentacles and grab her. We'll have to run forward a little bit for it.