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>>38050489
"Expected resistance?" Lilian asks.

"Pretty light. As long as you don't venture too far out of Atlas territory, it's not likely that Dahl or Hyperion flights will challenge you. However, that doesn't preclude hotheads on either side starting shit." Samantha shoots all of you a warning look. "We want to keep conflict to a minimum. Other than that, the most likely opponent you'll be facing will be recon UAVs. I know they're not very challenging targets, but we don't them having their way in our client's airspace."

"Understood." You nod. "Anything else we should know?"

"You might get messages on the emergency band, either from Atlas facilities or independents." Samantha continues. "Of course, you're to put Atlas facilities on a higher priority. Actually, you're discouraged from responding to non-Atlas distress calls, but that's entirely your decision."

>I would help if I can.
>Understandable. We're not a charity.
>Other

>>38050492
>Understandable. We're not a charity.

Best night of the week!

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>>38050492
>I would help if I can.
Haha time to mix up tanks and planes

>>38050492
>I would help if I can.
Knight4lyfe.

>>38050492
>>I would help if I can.

>>38050492
>>I would help if I can.
But we're still going to protect our primary objective

>>38050492
>>I would help if I can.

>>38050492
>>I would help if I can.

>>38050492

>I would help if I can.

>>38050492
>I would help if I can.
The mission comes first, but I won't ignore someone in need.

>>38050492

>I would help if I can.

>>38050492
>>Understandable. We're not a charity.

>>38050492
>I would help if I can.

Anyone who attacks indies might start shit with us later on anyway.

>>38050492
>I would help if I can.
I wonder how the media would react to some mercenaries blowing up those "independants"

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>>38050492
"I would help if I could." You say.

"Heh, figured you would say that." Samantha chuckles. "You won't be getting any bonus for it, but at least you'd get the bounty for any enemies you down."

"Heh, I wonder if we'll go up against those OB guys again?" Lara grins. "They were pretty tough opponents. I'd LOVE to fly against them again!"

"Of course." You roll your eyes. "Maybe we won't get our fighters totally wrecked this time."

"Bah! That's half the fun!" Lara laughs as she slaps you on the back. "It's not exciting if there weren't some element of danger to it, right?"

"I guess." You sigh.

"Oh, also," Samantha adds. "Quint is here and has already set up shop to start gouging the Atlas guys on whatever crap he's managed to smuggle in with him. If you happen to need anything before the patrol, you better go talk to him now. That's it for the briefing, unless you have any other questions."

>Question? (specify)
>Head to the hangar.
>Head to the shop.
>Other

>>38051029
>>Head to the shop.

>>38051029
>>Head to the shop.

>>38051029
>>Head to the shop.
Let's go buy us our Eagle/Flanker!

>>38051029
>>Head to the shop.

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.

>>38051061
I don't know which one I want. Help.

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.

Time for a super flanker

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.
I need a freakin dri--Mudhen.

>>38051029
>>Head to the shop.

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.
new plane time!

so what are we getting, Eagle or Flanker, I can't decide, I like both, the Possibility of the Terminator is delicious but at the same time you can't go wrong with an Eagle.

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Weekly reminder of our endgame.

>>38051092
Super flanker is the correct answer.

>>38051092
>>38051108
Wouldn't mind a STOL/MTD, or a Terminator.

>>38051116
Thats not a Fandance

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Sorry for rough drawing.
Weather here kinda bitch and they sap my stamina.

Idolmaster knowledge is needed.

>>38051029
>Head to the shop.

>>38051149
Exactly, and it will eat them for breakfast.

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>>38051116
You got the wrong pic man.

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>>38051116
Smalltime.

>>38051159
>>38051158
Muh wingmates.

>>38051158
Nah, our plan is Eagle/Flanker-->upgrade to current gen Eagle/Terminator-->Black Widow-->AC superplane

I'm in the boat for an Eagle, personally. Solid workhorse.

>>38051186
AC superplane

Shinden 2 is endgame

>>38051116
whatever our endgame plane is, i hope at least the rest of our team will get same or equal planes.

>>38051108
I want the F-16 upgrade. I just love the Falcon.

>>38051213
XL is love

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>>38051150
>Dat Producer
I laughed more than I should have
10/10 would laugh again

>>38051213
We're not upgrading our Falcon, we're way past that, but we will however be keeping our Falcon and not selling it.

>>38051206
Need to get Amy out of the A-10. It's a 40 year old coffin strapped to a gun.

>>38051255
Agreed.

>>38051213
>>38051253
Nope, we're getting a new plane, our Falcon is already becoming obsolete as it stands now and upgrading it is not feasible.

But as a compromise we at least won't be selling the Falcon.

>>38051150
P-san has already a full roster of Cyberidols!

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>>38051029
"I'll stop by the shop. I'll see you guys later." You say.

"Sure thing." Lara nods. "Have fun!"

Well, you suppose now was a good time as any to check out what Quint has in stock. You've now got a fair amount of credits, and Quint is sure to have some new goodies in stock.

"Ah, Karla, it's nice to see you!" Quint smiles as you enter his makeshift shop, selling all sorts of "contraband" from cigarettes to candy bars to premium toilet paper. Items worth more than their weight in gold in remote facilities like this. "What can I do for you?

SHOP LIST: http://pastebin.com/u7vr2FqW

You have 34800 credits to spend. Your Falcon is currently worth 10000 credits if you plan to sell it.

>Do you purchase anything?

>>38051343
>Need to get Amy out of the A-10. It's a 40 year old coffin strapped to a gun.
So... whatever that Ground Raptor attack variant is named?

>>38051371
Didn't follow cyberidol, unfortunately... i realize i missing potential joke but eh.

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>>38051401
>F-15
Remove Stove.
>>38051343
Get her a Fregata
It's like a Warthog with less gun and four engines of Fuck You.

>>38051401
F-15 Eagle - 30000

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>>38051371
>>38051150
Not sure if they'd be combat idols, though.

>>38051401
Oh god you are making me choose.

>Su-27 Flanker

I like the Terminator too much.

>>38051401
god damnit I can't decide.

Merc, what kind of upgrades can the Eagle and Flanker get and what are their stats like?

>>38051401
>>Do you purchase anything?
ugh, decision...decision...
>buy F-15 Eagle
>DO NOT sell F-16

>>38051401
>Su-27 Flanker
Haha we Yellow 13 soon.

>>38051401
>SU-27

>>38051401
>Su-27 Flanker

>>38051401
>F-15 Eagle

I hope that one day we can get or rebuild our Dads Flanker, it could replace our Falcon as our backup/joyride plane.

>>38051401
Eagle, duh.

Also part of me wants to load up a Mudhen in the future

>>38051401
>>F-15
Any upgrades for the Eagle?

>>38051401
Can you at least tell us more about the planes than their cost and "Thei iz good flyers"?

>>38051401
>F-15 Eagle.

>>38051401
Buy the F-15.

Though I hope we get more targets per mission so we can get more money per mission.

Also, if we really buy F-15, start calling our team with 'Buddy' and see their reaction.

>>38051401
>Su-27

>>38051401
>F-16XL upgrade
Pissin' against the tide.

>>38051401
> F-15

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>>38051555
Manga plz.


Also, where's the art with karla and pixy redoing the scene from monty python and the holy grail?

>>38051555
We've been doing that since we chose to be Pixy in the airshow.

>>38051537
We seem to be getting more fodder when we dont' encounter higher value targets or we get to choose between the two

>>38051401
F-15

>>38051614
Probably because Knight route, right?

>>38051593
Oh yeah, that. After Ice/Slider/Katya Lewd/outright H for SW89

>>38051601
...oh?

>>38051401
Su-27

>>38051555
Karla is pretty much this generation's Pixy anyway other than the founding a terrorist organization part.

>>38051665
>other than the founding a terrorist organization part.
not yet.

>>38051665
>>than the founding a terrorist organization part.

YET.

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>>38051649
Yep. Don't you remember?
Anyway
>>38051401
>Buy dat Eagle

Maximum buddytimes

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>>38051649
>Dat [REDACTED]
This pleases the Lewdites.

>>38051692
>Don't you remember?
My memory on that section mostly about how we almost get killed by those two Flankers and how Karla re-enact Solo Wing part, the rest is kinda blurry.

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Hey Merc
Meeerc
These babies when?

>>38051422
>Fregata
Seems too A2A focused for her. Maybe an FB-22 or the YR-99, if we get crazy.

So, I'm not saying that we should figure out a way to combine FAEB bombs and LASM's.

Oh wait, that's exactly what I'm saying.

>>38051766
>Fregata
>A2A
Nigga it's a pureblood attacker. On Speed.

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>>38051746
More importantly, when are we getting THESE babies?

>>38051774
EXPLAIN FURTHER

>>38051766
The Fregata is the bomber version of the YR-99...

>>38051798
That's the YRB-89, do you even Skies of Incursion?

>>38051796
There's not much to explain. Figure out a way to put a fuel air explosive warhead on a anti-ship missile. Better yet, you could figure out some way to put it on a large version of 4AGM's for maximum warcrimes.

>>38051825
Wouldn't it just be a LSWM at that point?

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>>38051401
Okay, just to confirm, you guys want to buy the F-15 Eagle?

>Y
>N

>>38051874
>Y

>>38051874
>Y

>>38051874
>y

>>38051874
>>Y

>>38051874
>Y

>>38051825

So up-sizing link related?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPO-A_Shmel

>>38051874
I voted for the Su27 but we lost fair and square.

>Y

>>38051874
>N
To be honest, I hate the F-15 S/MTD.

>>38051874
>>Y

>>38051874
>Y

>>38051874
>Y

>>38051874
Y

>>38051874
>N

The Eagle's boring. There. I said it.

>>38051874

Y

>>38051899
So do I. If we're going to go with an aircraft that we could eventually upgrade, I'd rather an F-14.

>>38051874
>N

>>38051874
y

>>38051927
But the 15 upgrades so very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_STOL/MTD

>>38051874
>Y

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>Y

Is our supplier trustworthy? Hasted Pic related.

>>38051972
Boring. And ugly. And no gun either.

>>38051978
Incredibly trustworthy. Super-duper trustworthy. Trust me on it, he's a guy you can trust.

>>38051978
>Is our supplier trustworthy?

Not with that nose. Nice job by the way.

>>38051978
>Dat serious Karla
>Dat large nosed Quint
PERFECT

>>38051986
this is strangereal, if we want it to have a gun, it'll have one.

>>38051978
I don't get it, why is Karla talking with Igor's younger brother?
>>38051986
The NIGHTHAWK has a gun, why do you think the STOL won't?

>>38051978
Great job, Mudhen!

>>38051927
But the F-14 is a dead end past the D model...

With the Eagle you can go towards the Active Eagle, or towards the F-15J Kai+ Slam/Strike/Silent Eagle path.

Though I'm interested to know where the default Eagle stands, our Phantom was a 'Super Phantom', and our Falcon was roughly Block 30 equivalent, so that would mean the Eagle wouldn't be stock, but more likely an E model or something similar.

>>38051986
They actually made a conformal gunpod to get around that issue but by then the STOL/MTD became a testbed rather than a production fighter so it wasn't needed.

Also in AC the S/MTD has a gun, like everything else in AC, including the fucking Nighthawk.

>>38052010
>>38052016
It's still boring though. And still ugly, like DAYUM.

>>38051978

>That nose

I think I saw it somewhere.

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>>38051874
"I think I'll take the Eagle." You say, pointing to the faded picture in Quint's catalog.

"Hm, solid choice!" Quint nods. "Just so happens we got one ready and waiting! Want us to get it out of storage? We can probably whip Smokey into getting it in place before your patrol."

>I'll take the Eagle.
>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.
>Other

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>>38051978
Always pictured Quint like this.

>>38051978
Nice. Though the positioning of the cane looks kind of awkward to me.

>>38052028
Indeed I saw it elsewhere too, a pity that particular quest isn't around anymore.

>>38052033
>>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052023
>But the F-14 is a dead end past the D model...
Nope. Quickstrike and ASF-21

>>38052033
>>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.
One last ride.
Plus, it won't have the proper paint scheme.

>>38052033
>>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.
Stick with the Falcon. Get the Eangle painted in the usual colors.

>>38052033
Oh right, and:

>EAGLE PURCHASED
>EAGLE UPGRADES UNLOCKED
>-$30000
>$4800 remains.

>>38052033
>>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.
Break the baby in
>>38052023
Probably the C, most AC games have the C as the first unlockable Eagle.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052054
Both of which can't even compete with the Terminator upgrades or the late/current variants and next-gen variants of the Eagle.

>>38051978
Karla's glare is arousing...

>>38052033
>>I'll take the Eagle.
Let's break this bad boy in

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052069
We don't want to 'break the baby in' on a flight where we might encounter resistance.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.
Nothing in the briefing screamed AtG.

>>38052033
>>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052033

>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.

Memories, so many of 'em.

>>38052033
>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.

We'll break it in later

>>38052074
But you don't really need to have the super duper elite upgrades either, because Ace Combat. And even then, by the time you get to situations where an ASF-14 can't really cut it, that's when you get an F-22 or F-23 or whatever.

>>38052033
>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.
One last hurrah for the Viper...
>www.youtube.com/watch?v=335GdTqtyLs

>>38052033
>>I'll take the Eagle.

>>38052033
>>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle.
The odds are pretty good that we will need every AtA advantage we can get.

>>38052016
Sort of a crap attempt at an Area88 joke. Probably shouldn't have rushed it though.
>>38052005
Oh good, I was worried for a minute.
>>38052040
That may be more appropriate!
>>38052041
Certainly not the only problem with it, haha. Just wanted to get it posted while we were still talking to Quint.
>>38051150
Almost missed this! Great work.

>>38052033
>I'll stick with the Falcon for the moment.

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>>38052256
>Area 88
Now you made want to see Karla duel the Flaming Unicorn.

>>38052256
Yeah I figured as much, but couldn't help but focus on the Super Schnoz.

>>38052295
Now imagine...
Karla is about to engage enemy. Four of them.
As they getting closer, suddenly all of them are shot down, and a Lone F-8 emerge.

Insert appropriate music here.

>>38052295
>Implying they wouldn't team up to stuff OB with missiles.

>>38052064
What are our Eagle Upgrades Merc? Can we shoot for an S/MTD? Because that's my Planefu and I want Karla to become Maneuverability Incarnate.

>>38052426
Soon(tm)

>>38052033
>I'll take the Eagle
We live dangerous, fuck a shakedown run.

>>38052426
Why not go full Active past the S/MTD

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>>38052033
"I guess I'll take the Eagle." You say. "Ship it over to our hangar, okay?"

"Ha, Smokey's gonna throw a fit when he finds out he's gotta do last minute work!" Quint throws his head back in laughter. "All right, we'll get that baby ready for you in no time."

Cheered up by your fresh purchase, you head back to your hangar, where you see a brand new F-15C Eagle being towed into the hangar. Goddamn, Quint worked FAST. Already, you could see Smokey throwing a fit. However, you knew he'd do the job out of professional pride.

"You're a real piece of work, ordering a new plane at the last second like that." Smokey grumbles.

"But you can do it, right?" You ask.

"Of course I can! Doesn't mean I gotta like it!" Smokey shakes his head.

"Oh, nice! We got matching birds now!" Lara laughs as she hugs you from behind. "It's like we're sisters now or something!"

"Great, now we'll just have more trouble telling the two apart." Amy rolls her eyes.

"Hey, you're one to talk. You're still flying the same Warthog you got when you joined up." Lara retorts. "Maybe you should upgrade, like to the Lightning-"

"YOU KNOW THAT PLANE IS A PIECE OF SHIT FOR CAS!" Amy bellows.

"Anyways." Smokey says, completely ignoring the duo. "What do you want to load up for? It's certainly going to be an AA mission."

>4AAMs
>QAAMs
>Other

>>38052392
>>38052424
Mission (FUGA), start-o~!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eCxSdOhY9E

>>38052442
our shakedown run will be a chill patrol against UAVs

>>38052453
>>4AAMs

>>38052453
>QAAMs

>>38052453
>QAAMs
Get ready for an OB encore.

>>38052453
>>4AAMs

>>38052453
>>4AAMs
Don't think we need QAAM yet, and we are in air patrol.

>>38052453
>>4AAMs
Ah Amy. A girl after my heart.

Also, just sayin' but we should have gone with the XL. Then we could have both 4AAM's AND QAAMS.
Or two sets of 4AAMs.

But no, everyone has to go boring generic Eagle.

>>38052453
>>QAAMs

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>38052453
1: 4AAMs
2: QAAMs

>>38052453
>QAAM's

If we run into any of those Round Table Ghosts or Galm 1 again I want us to be ready with Bullshit Missiles.

>>38052453
>4AAMs

>>38052453
>4AAMs
MUH CROSS MISS I'LL MASSACRE

>"YOU KNOW THAT PLANE IS A PIECE OF SHIT FOR CAS!" Amy bellows.
Amy confirmed for hating F-35's.

>>38052502
Bullshit Missiles? Really?

>>38052498
>But no, everyone has to go boring generic Eagle.
>But no, everyone has to go for the massively superior upgrade and I'm salty that we couldn't stay obsolete and underpowered and get shot down.

>>38052516
If they're AC04 QAAMs, he's not wrong.

>>38052513
is CAS a typo?

>>38052453
>Amy confirmed for not knowing shit

>>38052498
>>38052513
Looks like Amy will be going for a Strike Raptor if she does decide to upgrade.

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>>38052447
Either works. I just want us to Fly one with those extra Wings soon. It's such a beautiful Aircraft, majestic even.

>>38052453
>QAAMs

>>38052453
>>QAAMs

OB party!

>>38052531
CAS

Close Air Support.

>>38052498
Eagle is better on air combat, and i will keep support anyone who want to upgrade our Falcon into XL in future.

>>38052547
ohhhh.

>>38052520
It's not "massively inferior" nor is it underpowered or even obsolete.

>>38052531
Nope. Amy is just pointing out the f-35 is a joke as far as Close Air Support (CAS) is concerned.

>>38052535
Sounds nice. Though I prefer she'd Mudhen the place.

>>38052516
The QAAM's are what you use when you want to fight someone who has a superior plane and has bullshit plot powers, they are made to fuck up boss characters.

>>38052560
>Amy is just pointing out the f-35 is a joke as far as Close Air Support (CAS) is concerned.
But that's wrong. Is the F-16 shit for CAS?

>>38052560
And that it is also a piece of shit plane.

>>38052583
Honestly, the Viper and Lightning are miles apart in terms of CAS performance.

I'd much rather stick to the thin Viper over a "Muh Stealth" bird any day.

>>38052593
Muh wingmate.

>>38052612
>Honestly, the Viper and Lightning are miles apart in terms of CAS performance.
How so? Why do you think that? The evidence points that the Lightning is superior to the Viper in all ways for it.

>>38052612
>>38052583

Isn't this all pointless anyway, Amy's not upgrading anytime soon and we're not CAS fighters, so we're just pissing in the wind.

>>38052593
Why is the F-35 shit?

>>38052453
>QAAMs

>>38052633
It's kind of a jack of no trades.

>>38052630
Mate, I can't stand willful ignorance.

>>38052633
Because Marines

>>38052655
Yep, without them being fucking speshul snowflakes demanding that they get their own fighters with retarded requriements the F-35 would be soo much better than it is.

>>38052653
Good enough reason for me.

>>38052655
Without them we would have the F-32 instead. We could have had the dopiest looking plane ever!

>>38052647
Multirole aircraft are anything but useless. Do you think the F-16 or F-15E are bad planes? Do note that actual TACPs prefer the F-15E as their CAS aircraft of choice.
>>38052655
What, the F-35B has caused the fighter to be awful? Not really. The F-35 has got similar maneuverability to the F-16. The A and C variants both have good payloads.

The F-35B also increases power projection capabilities by a substantial bit for a large number of countries. Now LHDs are even more effective. The Brits aren't stuck with AV-8s on their Queen Elisabeth.

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>>38052680
What the fuck am I looking at? It's like the Raptor wouldn't stop wolfing down hotwings or some shit.

>>38052735
>It's like the Raptor wouldn't stop wolfing down hotwings or some shit.
snrk

>>38052735
>It's like the Raptor wouldn't stop wolfing down hotwings or some shit.
I laughed.

>>38052735
The X-32's VTOL system sucked.

>>38052735
Happy stealth plane is happy, that's what is.


Although I still don't get why the x-32 has a belly like that.

>>38052735
You're looking at a better plane than the F-35B with massively improved VTOL/STOL capabilities, that actually made it in under budget, but lost because of politics and LM being corrupt as fuck.

>>38052735
Don't worry, General Resource will revisit the design and improve it.
http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/F/A-32C_Erne

>>38052765
Funny how when they finally completed it after being shafted with getting less funding it actually outperformed the X-35B...

>>38052779
>http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/F/A-32C_Erne
>That Open Mouth

So... it's an F-16 with Downs?

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>>38052453
"I'm in the mood for QAAMs." You say. "Never know when you might need them."

"All right." Smokey says, and them mutters under his breath. "Right, and I gotta pain the damn thing too..."

---

"Okay, who's turn is it?" Lara asks.

"Ooooh! Oooooh! It's mine!" Amy says as she throttles up her Warthog.

Currently, your flight was flying combat air patrol over the skies of the Round Table. However, all you could see was endless blue sky and endless brown desert. Hell, even your radar scopes were completely clear. Not even a single speck of cloud cover or flock of birds.

So now, you were all basically relieving your boredom by downing the numerous drones you caught in the most creative ways you could. Lilian and Lara simply gunned theirs down, but you had the feeling Amy had something else in mind. You see her Warthog sidle up next to the target UAV, putting her left wingtip right under the drone's right win. Then, with a simple push of her stick, she tilts her wing up, sending the drone into an irrecoverable spin as it tumbles to the ground, shattering like glass on the desert sand below.

"All right, Valk, it's your turn." Amy says. "I think I saw another one just up ahead.

Sure enough, you could see yet another recon UAV, just puttering along leisurely.

>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.
>Other

>>38052779
>>38052807
Too stable, not enough firepower.

>General Resource Shit/10

I wonder if it will be possible to purchase something BIG later, like REAL bombers. Hell, maybe something like B-1/2s or AC-130/b-52s? I know Ace combat is all about those dogfights and stuff, but seeing amy BLAZING THE EARTH to oblivion sounds fun, while the rest of the crew is dominating the skies with missile massacre.

>>38052832
>>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.

Fun

>>38052832
>>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.

>>38052832
>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052832
>Be a Showoff, let them know exactly who they're messing with.

Get in their faces, if they want to know what they're up against, let them. And let them know they're gonna need a bigger force than UAV's.

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052715
I'm not saying multirole is useless, but the way the f-35 does it, it's barley an upgrade from our current 40 year old hardware. Sure it's got added stealth, but it's way to expensive. It's trying to do too many things, for too many people. It's all compromise.

>>38052832
>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
no need to show off and attract unwanted attention on a simple CAP

>>38052832
>>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.

Style all over them.

>>38052789
Oh really? This is coming from the plane that couldn't fly supersonic and take of VTOL.

>>38052832
>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
We Belkin.

>>38052832
>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
Of course, we already have the BE POLITE and HAVE A PLAN TO KILL EVERY ONE YOU MEET down pat.

>>38052832
>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
Not worth the effort, really.

>>38052715
No. The Marines caused the F-35 to be worse than it could possibly have been.

Look at it this way. Despite the hate between the two branches, for the most part fighters and ground ponders from both can be built well along the same lines. Big engines, strong frame, kickass avionics. But when you throw V/STOL into the mix and tie the entire program basically to the fate of that particular section, which I might add is not an easy thing to do when a plane is designed from the ground up for that, you make the project so big that it can't fail, and also have to make design sacrifices.

What they should have done is had two separate programs. One belonging to the Navy and Air Force, one to the Marines. If you want to, you can share engines or avionics or whatever. Then, if you ran into a problem with either section, you don't bring down a big giant program spanning your entire military. Plus, each individual program would more than likely deliver better results.

Granted, it's debatable whether the marines actually need their own aircraft.

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052832
>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.
Ger- er, Belkan efficiency.

>>38052453
>QAAMs

Good 'ol QAAMS, bullshit when you need them, and when you don't!

Fuck NTDM QAAMshitters

>>38052832
>>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052832
>Be efficient. Take it out quickly.

>>38052923
Of course. The STOVL design did cause some compromises. However, as you said, it only made it worse than it possibly could have been. One still needs to remember, despite not being all that it could be, it is still a very good aircraft. Once it reaches FOC, it'll probably be the best multirole on the planet.

>>38052975
Additional things to remember, the B variant did not fuck up the A and C variants too badly.

>>38052832
>>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.
Burn them with afterburner!

>>38052832
>>Be show. Let them know exactly who they're messing with.
catch it in our jetwash or something

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Man, I wish we can fly a shit plane again, like a Skyhawk or something.
Also, apparently the Skyhawk was still part of the Ace Combat roster in AC2.

>>38052993
Yeah it did, not only did it delay their production by half a decade or more, it also being a fucking retarded requirement of the same program meant both the A and C had to be built around the B frame which means they couldn't be optimized for their roles.

Sure they are great, but compared to what they should be? Fucking nothing at all, and over budget and schedule by several orders of magnitude.

>>38052993
Because it was designed that way.
This is hard to explain because there's not really a project that you can point to and say "LOOK! This is MUCH better. We should have done this" but imagine what the Navy and Air Force could have done if STOVL wasn't a requirement.

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>ACQ thread
>Arguments about the F-35
>AnotherNormalDay.png

>>38053217
Merc Started it.

>>38053217
I'm amazed there was no blood over the F-15/Su-27 purchase though.

>>38053259
Most people were happy with either choice really.

Plus we have a lot of Ace Combat Zero fans in here and nobody will turn down going more Pixy.

>>38053259
We'll get Dad's Flanker or rebuild one like it later on, don't worry.

>>38053101
>>38053106
Seeing as it was designed from the get go with VTOL in mind, as well as the power projection VTOL provides, your best argument would be that the A and C should be on a different airframe. However, imagine how much more time and money that would have cost. Just look at the single purpose F-22. These things are insanely expensive even for just a single type. There are time and budget overruns. Another program would effectively double the cost, for not too much gain. Further, by purchasing fewer F-35s you drive up the unit cost of the F-35B by a prohibitive amount, as the program cost is not spread out over as many aircraft. It's what happened to the B-2 and, to a lesser degree, the F-22.
>>38053259
I'm still astonished at that bit.

>>38052832
You don't really do anything fancy. You just line up the UAV in your gunsights and fire off a quick one second burst from your cannon. The gun barks for a moment, spitting a handful of rounds at the UAV, but that's all it needs. The UAV breaks apart under the assault, the pieces falling like leaves.

"Pffft, boring." You hear Amy snort.

"It got the job done, didn't it?" You reply coolly.

"Awwww, this is no fuuuun!" Lara whines. "I want something to happen already!"

"You should know the saying, Lara, be careful what you wish for..." Lilian says cautiously.

"Head up, girls, I'm picking up a distress signal on the emergency band. Apparently there's an independent mining facility under attack by OB forces." Loki interrupts. "Oh, this might be a problem."

"What?" You ask.

"The signal's originating from an area very close to Dahl airspace." Loki warns. "If you head into that area, you might provoke a response from them."

"What sort of opposition are we talking about here?" Amy asks.

"Mostly ground forces, with helicopter support." Loki responds. "No sign of fighters or other aircraft in the immediate area."

>It's not worth the risk.
>We'll take the risk.
>Other

>>38053259
If I could have gotten more people for it, I would have gone to the mat for a Tomcat.

I stand by my position that Eagles are boring.

>>38053259
Seems many people is okay with both actually, so even their initial choice is lost its not a big loss.

>>38053311
>>We'll take the risk.

>>38053316
Boring but works.

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.
When things seem all too simple that shit gets complicated fast.

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.

>>38053311
>>We'll take the risk.

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.

One Belka is everyone's problem, and having people owe us favours is always useful.

>>38053311
>>We'll take the risk.

>>38053311
Take the Risk, but only on the condition that the Wildcards try to charge the Company for services rendered. Jet Fuel ain't cheap.

>>38053311
>>We'll take the risk.

>>38053311
>>We'll take the risk

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.

Hmm, I wonder what Loki looks like.

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>>38053396
>MF drawing Loki

Hmmmm....

>>38053396
His AWACs has that motherfucking cat plastered on it.

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.

>>38053259
I don't think we'll stick to the F-15 through it's entire upgrade cycle, which would be what would bother me the most.

Let's hold out for a sweet F-22 or something next.

>>38053311
>We'll take the risk.

Angels inbound!

>>38053472
We're likely going to upgrade to the S/MTD and then get the Black Widow after that.

>>38053463
"Loki?"
"Yes, Valk?"
"Have you ever think to change your insignia?"
"Whats wrong with it?"
"We have to suppress the urge to shoot at it whenever we see you"
"...that explain many things, actually."

>>38053482
Seconding that S/MTD upgrade, but what exactly makes the YF-23 a better choice than the F-22?

>>38053515
AND HERE WE GO AGAIN

>>38053515
Alternative fighter, I guess?
People here seem to like the relatively obscure planes

>>38053515
The YF-23 was faster, more stealthy, and had superior avionics by far. The F-22 had maneuverability and the possibility of a naval variant.

>>38053515
Sex.

>>38053557
I'm serious, or even a PAK-FA? They're all Stealth Fighters, and we're prioritizing Mobility and Speed aren't we? Why not go with it if we don't give a fuck about Stealth?

>>38053573
The PAK-FA doesn't look like it'll have a substantial edge over the F-22 in anything but avionics. The F-22 badly needs upgraded avionics.

F-22 Raptor
>I wanna be Mobius

F-23 Black Widow
>Sexier Raptor

PAK-FA
>because Merc didn't give us Berkut.

And Merc, did you receive my Email?

>>38053561
the Black Widow was actually a better dogfighter, the Raptor more a BVR fighter.

>>38053674
>Because Merc didn't give us Berkut.

Damn Straight, if the Berkut was available I think we'd all be pulling for that.

>>38053573
>Why not go with it if we don't give a fuck about Stealth?
Because the PAK-FA is a piece of utter shit, and the Black Widow is leagues ahead of it in every aspect.

>>38053681
You've got that reversed. The F-22 was chosen because it was more maneuverable and better in a dogfight. The reasoning behind this was that stealth would push down engagement ranges, so a confrontation between two stealth fighters would be a dogfight rather than BVR.

The Black Widow having superior avionics and speed point to superior BVR performance.

>>38053692
Nope, YF-23 a best.

>>38053706
>The reasoning behind this was that stealth would push down engagement ranges, so a confrontation between two stealth fighters would be a dogfight rather than BVR.
U wot m8? they built the raptor purely for BVR, it was another Vietnam saga where they completely ignored dogfighting and wanted to slap longrange missiles on it.

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>>38053396
I wonder.

>>38053311
"We'll take the risk." You say. "Just give us a heads up if you see anything incoming."

"Roger that. Good hunting, Wild Cards." Loki says.

Your flight then vectors farther north, past Atlas' northern boundary and into the contested space that lay between the three corps' territories. Out here, it was truly the Wild West, with the small independent groups out here trying to strike it rich in these barren sands, and braving both the elements and those that would try to take advantage of them.

"Down there! Eleven o' clock!" Lilian calls out.

You turn your head to see the telltale signs of tracers flitting back and forth. Plumes of dust and sand signified vehicles on the move, as darker columns of smoke rose from what looked like a walled complex built into the side of a large hill.

"-I repeat, this is Daybreak Point, we need immediate assistance!" You hear a scratchy voice screaming over an open channel. "We're under attack by bandits!"

Bandits, One Belka, you suppose they could be pretty synonymous out here.

"Daybreak Point, this is Wild Card One from Artemis." Lara calls out. "We're here to help. Can you confirm that all hostiles are outside your perimeter?"

"Yes! Yes!" The panicked voice says. "Everybody's already taking shelter inside! Please, we have women and children with us!"

"Copy that." You say before keying the radio off. "Amy? It's time to do your thing."

"Awww yeeesssssss." Amy says with glee.

"What about us?" Lara asks.

>We'll stay on CAP in case any enemy birds come.
>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.
>Other

>>38053709
>Sucking the Widow cock that hard.

Berkut a best and you know it.

>>38053731
Crap, Loki is actually a fucking cat with a headset.

>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

>>38053731
>>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

>>38053731
>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

Might as well suppress those air units

>>38053731
>Stay on CAP

Let Amy shine here.

>>38053731
>>Other
"Lilian, would you kindly take care those Helos? I and lara will see if their buddy will show up."

>>38053731
>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJb8vYAvNU&list=PLvnl04mTlSUg9v5FtMhpfELg2EKzLZ1Uz&index=28

>>38053731
>>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.
>>38053724
This is patently false. Why would it have thrust vectoring? Why would its tail be so prominent? There's a reason it goes 30:1 only starting on the defensive with a Luneburg lens.

>>38053731
>>Other
Send Lilian to take the copters while Lara and we take CAP.

So what's available with custom order?

>>38053765
Changing my vote to

>>38053767

>>38053731
>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

>>38053731
>>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

Inb4 pincer attack.

>>38053731
>>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.
Let's go dragonfly-hunting.

>>38053786
I want to get a Cessna 172 just to troll around in

>>38053841
I would go with the Hawk personally.

>>38053841
Just get some Yukes with nuggets in there and you've got an effective, cheap COIN plane

>>38053731
>Let's take out those helos, at the very least.

>>38053917
>Nuggets
We should get an An-2 then!

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>>38053786
Either Biafra Baby, Skyhawk, or VF-1J
Hell even Ghostrider would work.

>>38053917
>Nuggets
>Not Pa-Pa-Sha
Step up your game, buddy.

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>>38053975
SO I HERD U WERE TALKING ABOUT Pa-Pa-Sha

>>38053935
Why stop there? Get an An-225, fill it with automated nuggets, point them everywhere, fly over Afghanistan. Boom, problem solved, kebab removed with a prejudice.

>>38054027
"2000 volts coming up"
"He's fried..."

Great now I need to reinstall RA2 again.

>>38054064
How many (automated) nuggets can we fit in an an225?

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>>38054065
I got RA2 and Yuri's Revenge on my toaster, hah!

>>38054076
Beats me. The automation for nuggets would be the most difficult part to calculate, followed by ammo storage and firing ports

>>38054027
Now i imagine Raikov lead the good general mens like in the picture and visit ol' Volgin for a nice payback.....

>>38054027

"For Mother Russia"

Time to play Yuri, I guess.

>>38054103
>Comrade Colonel
>What? Can't you see I'm busy crotch-grabbing?!
>You might want to see this
>MAIN SCREEN TURN ON
>How are you Volgin?!
>Tactical Vodka bombers
>Legions of tesla troopers and Apocs
>Terror Drones, terror drones everywhere
>ALL YOUR SORRY ASS ARE BELONG TO ME

>>38054027
>The Vodka blimp
Every time

>>38054096
>>38054112

Your feeling of helplessness is your best friend SAVAGE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGa0Dfwu0Kk

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>>38053731
"All right, let's give them a taste of the Wild Cards!" Lara whoops as she puts her Eagle in a dive. She lines up a pair of Huey gunships. She lets loose a burst of cannon fire, peppering both helos and sending them spinning out helplessly to the ground. Meanwhile, you can hear Amy laughing maniacally as she dives into the swarm of light vehicles surrounding the mining facility. Rocket pots shriek and her GAU-8 roars, raining fire and death down upon the hapless ground forces below. Lilian assist by dropping several iron bombs as well, further scattering the ground forces as explosions tear great holes in the ranks.

Meanwhile, you dive down and zero in on a pair of Apaches. Those nice, juicy targets. Apaches were expensive pieces of equipment, after all.

>roll 3d20 (AtA and GUN roll. Lower is better.)

Rolled 4, 2, 3 = 9 (3d10)

>>38054161
Let's roll.

Rolled 15, 12, 19 = 46 (3d20)

>>38054161
d

Rolled 2, 8, 10 = 20 (3d10)

>>38054161
You mean d10 right?

Rolled 4, 7, 2 = 13 (3d10)

>>38054161

Rolled 5, 5, 12 = 22 (3d20)

>>38054161

>>38054164
Looks like we did it.

Rolled 6, 6, 7 = 19 (3d10)

>>38054161
just in case...

>>38054161
>>38054168
Doh! It was supposed to be d10s!

Rolled 1, 12, 1 = 14 (3d20)

>>38054161

Rolled 5, 10, 4 = 19 (3d10)

>>38054161
uhh D20s?

Rolled 9, 1, 9 = 19 (3d10)

>>38054161

>>38054187
Oh well, everyone makes mistakes. At least we got d10s rolling.