It's two years since Earth went mad with war. Super-empowered individuals, rogue actors within nation states, corporate terrorism - the works. We didn't even recognize the real threat until it was staring us in our faces. One year, six months since war against the renegade AIs, the TITANS, began in earnest. A year since we recognized we were beaten and began to evacuate Earth itself. eight months since the blockade was sealed shut, and the TITANS ceased their onslaught, as if forcing us to abandon the planet was the goal all along. Eight months, the rest of the solar system has begun to pull together, dividing into factions. The Offworld Consortium has transformed itself from a weak trade alliance into a burgeoning superpower in the form of the Planetary Consortium. The Autonomist Alliance has risen among the scattered rimward habitats as a new meme, a new way of thinking for a new world - if it can pull its act together. Military units and confused refugees flee toward the gentle pull of Jove's gravity well and the 'safety' of her fleets. A few see promise in the technologies that nearly destroyed us, and in secret prepare to make even larger leaps into the unknown. Everywhere, simple questions of rebuilding override ideological concerns - for now. You lead one of the small bands of scattered refugees, determined to gather together in the wake of the catastrophic loss - less than a billion humans left alive, the Earth permanently ruined, the machine intelligences apparently undefeated. The old world is dead, and if there is to be any hope in this one, it is something you must assemble from the ashes.
What languages do your people speak (determines mix of nationalities, some backstory, possible start location) >Write-inOver the past few months, you've tried to keep people together and take stock of your advantages and disadvantages. What do you have to work with? (Order from 1 (greatest) to 4 (least)) >[ ] Morphs: Morphs are the transhuman bodies available to your population; at low score you have unmodified, weak humans and cheap synthetic robots; at higher scores you have elite genetic superhumans and high performance synthetic shells. >[ ] Manufacturing: Production of goods is done by fabbers - molecular assembly devices that can make anything they have blueprints for. The higher this rating, the more and better quality your existing manufacturing capabilities are. >[ ] Software: Software can be the most and least valuable thing in the solar system. Good software enables you to use your manufacturing capability to its full potential, and offers powerful tools to control your environment. >[ ] Resources: Despite the existence of fabrication, raw resources such as water, iron, rare earth elements, stocks of pre-Fall goods, systems, and especially fuel and weapons systems remain a key factor for trade and survival. Difficulty>FILTHY CASUAL (You have a larger population, more capable spacecraft, and no major ongoing crisis situations.)>STANDARD GAME (You have an a few hundred people, old or damaged spacecraft, and at least one ongoing crisis. Have fun.) >HARDCORE BASTARD (You didn't make it out, and are stuck on Earth. You have few people, no spacecraft, and your life *is* an ongoing crisis situation.)
>What languages do your people speak (determines mix of nationalities, some backstory, possible start location)Esperanto[ 1] Morphs[ 2] Manufacturing[ 4] Software[ 3] Resources>FILTHY CASUAL (You have a larger population, more capable spacecraft, and no major ongoing crisis situations.)
The plan is to take the amalgamation of the first three or so votes.Also, if you choose to be a FILTHY CASUAL I reserve the right to mock you and deploy weapons-grade sarcasm against you if (no, really, when) you fail.
>>38049706The hell? >>38049389>>38049203There are a few hundred thousand Esperanto speakers, many of them academics. This is...not bad as far as ideas go.
>>38049074>What languages do your people speak (determines mix of nationalities, some backstory, possible start location) Chinese Nihongo combination >Manufacturing>STANDARD GAME
>>38049074>English, Cantonese, Icelandic, Fulani, Malayalam > Manufacturing > Software > Resources > Morphs>HARDCORE BASTARD
>>38049074>LANGUAGE:A mostly-English pidgin using occasional Japanese vocabulary and text (excluding kanji, kanji can go fuck itself). Morphs Manufacturing Software Resources>STANDARD GAME
>>38049753>There are a few hundred thousand Esperanto speakers, many of them academics. This is...not bad as far as ideas go.It is the language of the future.
>>38049964And it always will be.
>Langauges: English, Cantonese, Esperanto, some Japanese.You seem to be out of Hong Kong or Singapore primarily. Esperanto would indicate a more academic background, or perhaps a more European influence. >Priorities> Manufacturing > Software > Resources > MorphsSeems to be an approximate consensus. Manufacturing: You have two full molecular assemblers - cornucopia machines machines the size of a sofa or desk, and a dozen smaller fabricators to support food production, electronics, and more. Software: Your electronic support is good, but not great - you have standard firewalls and patches, with fully unlocked capabilities for design, fabrication, programming and navigation. Resources: Your resources are low, but not critical. You have enough fuel to make it anywhere in Earth-Luna orbit, and enough free feedstock to build most items, but are short more exotic materials for nuclear batteries and other advanced technology. Morphs: Your morphs are abysmal. Most of you lost your morphs, and there's maybe one Exalt or Menton among the whole crew. Most aren't even Splicers; you've had to make do with cheap synthetics and pod morphs. You're going to have a hard time competing in intellectual fields or in the field against superior morphs. The only good news is that your morphs are so poor that they don't consume life support resources.
>>38050305Difficulty: Standard GameYou are in high orbit, above the geosynchronous satellites, above a ruined Earth. You have a large lander and orbital transport vehicle (LLOTV), a vessel designed to carry a hundred and fifty souls as temporary passengers, instead turned into long term accommodations for two hundred. Its hydrogen-oxygen fuel is more than half-depleted. The people inside, restless, fearful, but willing to accept a new vision of the future. What is your vision? What do you promise your people? (Pick one or more in any order.) >Security. From both machines, and from those who would prey upon them. >Equality. A society not divided by haves and have nots, or by unequal bodies. >Liberty. Freedom to do what you want, when you want, without official rules or social sanction. >Prosperity. A thriving, productive hab, where all have a chance at riches, or at least a fair chance at comfort.>Enlightenment. Some kind of better life, whether defined in spiritual terms, or scientific ideas of eudemonia. Describe your utopia. Assets: LLOTV, OH (211/150 passenger capacity, 31/100 fuel)Shipboard Fabber (simple aerospace components only)2x Cornucopia Machines10x Small Fabbers33k LLA Credits1.3 billion dollars, in Yen, Stocks, and US treasuries (totally worthless) Morphs: 83 Vacuum Pods27 Servant Pods30 Worker Pods44 Basic Synths21 Splicers 5 Flats1 Menton
>>38050404This is NOT a stable time for me, at all. Expect less than 3 votes total.>Prosperity>Enlightenment-Equality: Access to high-standard Morphs for everyone. None will lack the potential to be something greater.>Redemption: And the same applies to Earth, when we one day return to undo what our kind has done to it.
>>38051179>>Enlightenment-Equality: Access to high-standard Morphs for everyone. None will lack the potential to be something greater.
>>38050404Prosperity/Equality. From that comes everything else. People all deserve to live, with the bare necessities of a baseline human morph scene too and capable of being sustained by all members of our society. At the same time, to support this, we need to be prosperous! We won't hinder those who seek to excel, provided they give back to society and don't try to pull the ladder up after them.
>>38050404>Enlightenment. Some kind of better life, whether defined in spiritual terms, or scientific ideas of eudemonia. Describe your utopia.Enlightenment is a historical and material relation between people. It is impossible in a 200 person society. Therefore, the LLOTV needs to be rebuilt into a series of ideological cells, preparing the context of producing a safe haven for the development of the possibility of developing the preconditions for enlightenment.>211You didn't count the LLOTV as a morph, or name the volume of infolife.>AssetsAre they sufficient to credit into a source constructer, large fab, and sufficient fuel to hit a slow course orbit of Saturn / Uranus space?
>>38051393Why Saturn or Uranus? Why not, say, Mars, or the Belt, or even just a safer orbit in Earth-Moon space?
>>38051569A Long March and a Yan'an strategy. Where your enemy is, don't be, where your enemy is not, do be. We can harvest under used potential source feed stocks / mining, and compile our power.
>>38051393>Are they sufficient to credit into a source constructer, large fab, and sufficient fuel to hit a slow course orbit of Saturn / Uranus space?No, it's not. You barely have enough to do serious maneuvering around the Earth-Luna system; getting to Saturn isn't going to happen, not without more fuel. You might squeeze it to a belt habitat, but you'll need to be careful and take the long, slow approach. >>38051393>You didn't count the LLOTV as a morph, or name the volume of infolife.It's not a morph, and is not equipped with a cyberbrain. You are correct that the volume of infolife was left unmentioned, and is sixty nine infomophs spread across five simulation clusters.>>38051208>>38051179>>38051219>Enlightenment>Equality, emphasizing minimum morph quality, and allowing for Prosperity It's been a long year. Two years ago, the crew of your LLOTV were academics, social researchers, writers, and thinkers, or else vacuum-adapted crew on one of the great LEO habits. Anxious, of course, about the growing troubles of Earth, but concerned about mundane things. Jobs shifts, getting published, friends and loved ones in far flung corners of the globe. That the earth is gone is still hard to conceive; rarely a day goes by without someone forgetting, just for a moment, that everything they ever loved is gone forever. In this environment, it's hard to maintain anything like hope. The morphs haven't helped, either. The vacuum pods are designed for work, not to be lived as, and the synths for rapid production, not the ability to feel, or think abstract thoughts. The lack of morphs is slowly killing your crew's spirits. (Continued)
>>38051813Bump for OPhoping for a upstart Amarr empire, essentially can't fuck with those ships
>>38051813To keep things going, you decide to set your people's - and they are your people, now, after eight months of hell, hope, disappointment, and agony - sights on a simple promise. You plan to be prosperous - to be able to build up and afford the things you want, that you deserve. No one should be left wanting a body, and not just a simple body, but a powerful, smart one for everyone, to the extent that society can afford it.Some of your people have suggested more radical ideas about what should be done - that true human flourishing in this environment requires radically cutting off contact with each other and cultivating specific relationships. They are, however, unlikely to be able to implement this any time soon. You think that they've just been hurt so badly that they're afraid to love anything again - but then, they could be right. Whatever the vision is, it's more important now than ever to /have/ a vision. Something to hold on to. Because your troubles aren't over yet. You have limited fuel, limited funds, and ongoing situations that need management. Decisions like 'where to go next, with the shuttle, and what to build with our limited resources', and 'how should we defend ourselves if someone wants to take our shuttle and its precious fabbers'. How are decisions made in your society, for now? >Dictatorship. I'm in charge, formally or otherwise. This might break down spectacularly at an inopportune time. >Democracy. We vote, everyone equally. They just usually vote for me. >Oligarchy. The people who own the ship (ie, me and my friends) make the decisions, pay everyone else. >Anarchy. We don't make decisions based on formal rules, but rather broad consensus. >Other. Write-in. What is your current course of action?>Salvage for raw materials, especially fuel. >Attempt to trade with other habitats or factions (pick one, or ask for list)>Construct objects using existing stocks>Other (Write in)
>>38052071>>Anarchy. We don't make decisions based on formal rules, but rather broad consensus.>Salvage for raw materials, especially fuel.
>>38052071>Democracy. We vote, everyone equally. They just usually vote for me. >Salvage for raw materials, especially fuel. We should try to prioritize materials good for making better morphs. I'm not sure what that'll require. At least we have good fabbers.
>>38051813If the lack of morphs is putting hinderances on feelings and abstract feelings (since those are chemical glandular impulses as much as pure logic) then we need to fix that FIRST and foremost.Luckily, the amount of information flooding around automatically from radio chatter and such SHOULD allow us to pick up the information we need to use.>>38052071Democracy. When you have the ability to instantly poll everyone at any given moment through inbuilt data implants (which everyone at this point in time of Eclipse Phase has), then there's no point in using something else.True democracy basically. Heck. We can even make the system run on a computer system that compresses a day into 1 second, so everyone uploads their brains for 1 full second then downloads them back to their platforms after an relative day of debate and democratic process.>List of Factions and Habitats available to us.>But we need to salvage for raw materials. Right the fuck now.Long term goal is to get some cloning vats going to get people higher grade vat-grown baseline human bodies.
>>38052071>How are decisions made in your society, for now?Ancom: Direct decision making regularly. The executive to be elected, recallable, rotating, mandated delegates.>What is your current course of action?Fab anti-boarding arms, boarding arms, and infosecure the vessel.Salvage will cost too much ^d, unless we're sure of the pay off.
>>38052155>Fab anti-boarding arms, boarding arms, and infosecure the vessel.This actually sounds a good idea right here. We Need to get our shit secure. If we're too profitable of a salvage operation, then yeah, we're going to have problems.But we need to salvage fast. Focusing on fuel as the first priority, and then cloud-mining gear secondly since we're above a gas giant and that means a steady supply of fuel if we swing things right.Immediately after we get a secure position, and a dedicated fuel line, then we need to begin upgrading our morphs asap.Also voting government as a combo of>>38052155and >>38052135
>>38052071>Democracy.>Trade.With Manufacturing , I'd say we have one of the most powerful mobile manufacturing set-ups in the Earth-Moon system. Plenty of other refugee flotsams will want a piece of that action. Short-term, however, this, >>38052155 for exactly that reason.
>>38052243>You are in high orbit, above geosynch, above Earth.>33k LLA creditsWe're in the Hindi / Chinese economic zone, between Earth and Luna. What gas giant?Speaking of credits, what's our collective rep situation?
>>38052358misunderstood the earlier references to saturn/uranus... where I'd argue we should shoot for. Fuck jupiter. Radioactive moons aren't fun. Saturn's a better bet.
>>38052135>List of Factions and Habitats available to us.You have the ability to go essentially anywhere in Earth-Lunar space. LEO is off-limits due to killsats and debris, but MEO and to a lesser degree HEO is filled with promising habitats that you can strip clean, and even a few wrecks of shuttles and other ships that might be worth stripping out. There's a growing salvage trade going on at L5 under the eyes of a small mercenary fleet, L4 hosts the largest O'Neill Cylinder in the system - but also the most overcrowded, and literally hundreds of other ships in the same boat. There's several smaller anarchist and scum barges, but they are frequently dangerous - and it's hard to tell the good from the bad, sometimes. The moon itself has several habitats you could land at - hell, if you wanted to, your LLOTV could land on the moon and let you stretch your legs (and suck up dust for feedstock). >>38052135>If the lack of morphs is putting hinderances on feelings and abstract feelingPartially this, but also the environment itself. You're been stuck on what is basically a A320 for eight months. It's not good for your health either way. >>38052243>But we need to salvage fast. Focusing on fuel as the first priority, and then cloud-mining gear secondly since we're above a gas giantYou are not above a gas giant, unless the Earth became a gas giant. >>38052358>Speaking of credits, what's our collective rep situation?Reputation networks are in chaos; no one has a 'formal' rep at this point. You haven't done anything, so you don't even have informal rep. Credit networks are actually only marginally better; your 33k credits might be effectively 3.3k credits or 330k credits depending on, essentially, luck. Current votes: Direct (Cyber) Democracy. Salvage.  Fab weaponry. Writing in progress....
>>38052376Saturn / Uranus seems to be a good goal.>[you] could land on the moonIf you want a hindi speaking slave robot with a self-oxygenating-cartridge-kalashnikov salvaging you for scrap. The moon is a harsh, territorialised mistress.>smaller anarchist and scum bargesComrades, are you thinking about ensuring the safety of workers' self-governance and solving our crowding problem?Perhaps we should agree on an infectious community meme to insure in-group behaviour.
>>38052517Nah. We can achieve that by just having the whole directed democracy thing going on, also mutual survival. We don't need to force everyone into a general sense of loyalty with some sort of memetic virus.Right now we should focus on salvaging the debris above earth and between the moon, and also getting defenses running asap. When we have enough fuel and fabber capacity, we make a burn for Saturn orbit, or even one of the three dwarf planets in the Belt (contrary to popular belief, the belt is not THAT hazardous to travel in and out of. The asteroids are dozens, if not hundreds, of kilometers apart from one another and are all on very obvious and easily tracked directions, and are ALSO small enough that SUBTLE redirections to avoid major impacts are more than possible with minimal fuel.)
>>38052517Hitting up a Scum Barge for mutual aid seems like a good idea, though they'll be packed tight with refus just like we are. Scum started as ex-vacworkers, and we seem to have a high volume of ex-vacworkers. We could be friends. And if we can find a barge headed on the long circuit out to Saturn, we could hitch a ride.Otherwise, Luna for raw materials might be a safe bet, but we want to be careful where we land, the LLA is probably a mite defensive. They've just inherited a space navy, and they lost a major colony in the attack. And since our populace mostly seems like now ex-Indentures from SEA, we won't fit in anywhere but Erato or Mare Vaporum.
>>38052650Luna for raw materials is suicide. It's going to be the most heavily fortified part of the system right now. It's the place all the big wigs from Earth likely first fled too.Fuck Luna. We don't touch it unless we see a FANTASTIC opportunity to do so. Far safer to trawl the debris fields in orbit around the earth. The TITANs no doubt blew up plenty of shit there.
>>38052592>We don't need to force everyone into a general sense of loyalty with some sort of memetic virus.We do if we want to restore an anarchist or scum hab to proper anarcho-com style democracy. People can't just do their own thing with mission critical resources like their body or mind without raising the project with a sufficient number of others in their work cell.>>38052650>Hitting up a Scum Barge for mutual aid seems like a good ideaCasual sodomy Fridays might be a functional community building meme. Especially if we're dealing with ex- manual workers.
>>38052704Casual sodomy fridays might have taken a backseat to "feed everyone today". >>38052696Also, Erato would shoot us on sight on account of how poor we look.
>>38052704>We do if we want to restore an anarchist or scum hab to proper anarcho-com style democracy. People can't just do their own thing with mission critical resources like their body or mind without raising the project with a sufficient number of others in their work cell.I say we wait and see. Let's try to play it cool and nice to begin with, and if you're right? We'll use the meme.
>>38052438You make decisions via a democracy; that was decided only very shortly after the end of the end of the world. You had to do some custom software to make it work, but you've developed a norm of asking for group permission for major decisions, seeking consent, new ideas, and allowing productive debate. True, it's sometimes a little slow, but you can frequently act first and ask permission - or accept punishment - later. ((Meta: As a democracy, you sometimes don't get your way - voters can make poor decisions. To represent this, roll 1d100 when voting for things to happen - lower rolls better. Certain decisions can and will be overridden by democracy)) Your first task is to start recycling some of your limited feedstock into viable weapons Small arms are easy; larger weapons, not as much, requiring a degree of technological expertise to build weapons that might actually fend off an attacker at range. You settle on a single large cannon that you can mount to the dorsal surface of your ship, and a dozen rocket launchers that you can hand to vacuum-adapted morphs on the surface of your ship. If necessary, you could surge rocket production, but building a really nasty arsenal isn't on the agenda - salvaging is.Your spacecraft's engine is Hydrogen-Oxygen; a notably very primitive and inefficient design. The only upshot is that you have a comparatively easy time manufacturing fuel, unlike a metallic hydrogen rocket. To get that fuel, you need to salvage it from somewhere. Water tanks of ruined habitats seem like a good place to start, especially if you can get the reactor up, since with your tiny solar array you're not going to be making a to of rocket fuel.(cont)
>>38052939With a good chunk of your manufacturing capability dedicated to weapons, you're only able to build a single small rocket buggy for salvage ops, and your vacworkers are capable of topping her off from your ship's own fuel tanks.Your target is a small torus habitat that was ripped in two by missile strikes (followed by centrifugal force). The big chunk of wheel is still spinning, but not so violently you can't get a grip on it. It used to be a luxury hotel, apparently. A week after first deciding this course of action, you use the rocket buggy shuttle your synths and pods in to explore, the whole crew keeping an anxious eye on the advanced party, as best you can through the tacnet software. You see signs that this place has been raided before, but with any luck the raiders didn't have the equipment or time to clean out the water entriely. You hope it was worth the precious fuel you spent (5 units). How do handle the salvage ops? Is there anything else you want to do while your crew attempts to salvage the habitat?
Rolled 91 (1d100)>>38053120We can actually stop that spinning rather easily by shaving off parts of the structure from the spinning section. Shave off reaction mass and you can reduce the spin of an object. Theoretically a tactic for removing the spin from an asteroid as I recall.So if we need pure materials? We can just take some cutters to select segments of the spinning section and dump the raw materials into the fabbers.But first priority is to check for oxygen and water. Second priority is any form of data we can copy over. Never know if there's still dormant infolife stored in there that can help us run our vessels for nothing.Second thing is morphs, definitely want more of those on hand just in case.Finally, any valuable elements of materials. Carbon probably isn't a big deal, nor are metals, I'm betting that we can simply cut the spinning section for those and simultaneously make it easier for us to get shit out of it. But more esoteric elements like phosphorous and similar would be immensely useful.
>>38053120Salvage ops: keep in mind that the structure of the hab itself is potentially valuable. If we can find a way to get it to stop spinning, we could salvage a vast quantity of metals and composites. It's getting it to stop that's the problem. I keep thinking solar sails, although unless we can make some pretty big ones, with fine control over them, it's probably too slow to be feasible. On the other hand, we do have a pretty nifty manufacturing plant. >>38053233Or that. That works too.
>>38053120>How do you handle the salvage ops?Tell them to prioritize useful feedstock over luxuries. Being rich doesn't help us if we're dead. Also make sure nobody accesses any local computer networks or brings back any computer hardware. TITANs were made for infowar, and space god only knows why somebody would blow up a perfectly good hab. If >>38053233 's plan can be followed, salvaging the hab itself for raw materials might be the best bet. >Is there anything else you want to do while your crew attempts to salvage the habitat?What sensors are functional on the LLOTV (which really needs a designation)? We should keep an eye and an ear out. Is anybody else in our neighborhood and friendly or unfriendly.
>>38053312>What sensors are functional on the LLOTVYou have standard array of short range radar/lidar for collision detection and docking, as well as full visual and infrared cameras. It's unfortunately not very good as a long range observatory; this transport mostly relied on outside systems for navigation information. >(which really needs a designation)Come up with a suggestion. I'm unfortunately going to have to retire very soon, but will hopefully be back sometime before this thread disappears completely. In the event that it does, is there a preferred method of archiving this stuff?
>>38053430We should strip sensors from the station as well if we can. High quality space hotel? They're probably going to have something a little better, and raiders might not have grabbed it.Also designation?The Tóutāi / 投胎We're Chinese primarily correct?
I just use the archive.
>>38053430sup/tg/ is a popular favorite, but if you don't mind using a pastebin to record stuff, then archive moe is a good call, just make sure to look up the thread there and record it.
>>38053430>this transport mostly relied on outside systems for navigation information. Lemme guess, traffic control is still out to lunch?>Come up with a suggestion. Well, in-story we may wish to have a vote for it. Any former home and allegiance it had is gone. I'd love to give it a flowery name like a ship from Halo, but who knows how long we'll be in it. I like Renaskigo, which is apparently Esperanto for "rebirth". Or maybe Levigxi which should hopefully mean "Rise", an apt antonym for the Fall.
>>38053536Esperanto is only used by the more educated members. S'why I suggested we use Simplified Chinese for our name, something everyone in the crew will understand.
>>38049057>A post apoc Civ gameHm...yes may this quest be a good long journey full of glory.Too many fantasy ones floating around these days...
>>38053568Actually, solid question, what's our "trade language"? We've got a couple different language clusters here, is there any language everyone speaks, even a little of so we can all communicate? It's not like we've got access to space Google Translate.We should probably call for a name in that. Though if it turns out to be English calling our boat "Rise" isn't as cool. Though "Phoenix" works. Or translated into one of the asian languages
>>38053624See, Esperanto in the region we're talking isn't unlikely considering the spanish and portugese colonized those regions and I think that in the EP lore reclaimed ties with some of those territories later on.So if we're talking Indian Ocean, South Chinese Sea, type deal? With Hong Kong and Singapore as our major original sources of culture? Then Simplified Chinese would likely be our trade tongue.Or English.
Raising the security issue, but, I am not running any storage we find until we've got spare clean clusters we can afford to burn and destroy with fire. Sure, cut the physical artefacts out of the hull if they'll fit: we have an obligation to any survivors. But the first person who tries to powercycle any data artefact we encounter is being disabled and I'll vote to swap their body-rights with one of the infocrew first chance we get. Condemn me if you like, but we are keeping a strict quarantine on data. Personally I'd like the boarding parties to be wearing physical res reduction goggles to prevent any image based infowar material infecting us. The priority in salvage is the safe and full return of the salvage team.
>>38053949I'm not sure there's a steady enough knowledge of the TITAN tactics to start engineering flicker boxes and faraday mods. Since we're all still alive, would we know what a Basilisk is, or what it can do? But yes, anybody who plugs into a computer or turns on a computer or who so much as looks longingly at a computer is going to be asking to be the subject of whatever punishment duty our little ship of equals sees fit. The failures, or rather the horrendous success, of our infowar capabilities is sitting just over there. We'll build new computers somewhere that isn't Earth-Luna.
>>38053949Why not take data artefacts and run them through a clean, disconnected system from the rest of the ship?
>>38054177>I'm not sure there's a steady enough knowledge of the TITAN tactics to start engineering flicker boxes and faraday mods.Wipe oil based sticky anal lubricant over the helmet / optics. Pixelation sunglasses. The Blind.>Why not take data artefacts and run them through a clean, disconnected system from the rest of the ship?Someone has to watch that data. We have to be prepared to burn a sleeve when they watch that data. We don't have an info quarantine set-up onboard. Cut out the storage in case it contains people—but we can wait until we have a proper quarantine lab before trying to rescue the people potentially trapped inside.
>>38054506I mean, we're sending a crew of synths over. Maybe we can kitbash a sense filter. Make everything greyscale so the patterns don't work. Or we could get them some space welding mask. I mean, again, assuming any of these people have a concept of the Basilisk. >>38054425Airgap is an okay quarantine, but depending on how that data is examined, just as lethal. This is the concept behind a flicker box. You make an ecto or other external storage drive that's only output is either a low-res visual screen or a SD hologram projector, as opposed to the typical HD ones. The best is if the projector is damaged so it "flickers", degrading resolution even further. This would require a bucket of fairly paranoid electronics techs and hackers to design and implement, which we may not have. Safer to leave all computer equipment inert wherever possible. Recovery of survivors is to be extremely limited. Storage only, no access until we build a safe environment. Especially with so many cyberbrains, for a TITAN bug to break them is child's play. Meatbrains require considerable more effort on their part, something we can deprive them of.
>>38054648okay, is there an underlying context I'm missing here, because everybody seems very well informed for a thread 1.
>>38055480>>>/tg/eclipse phase general
THINGS WHICH THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HAVE BANNEDMoving a motion that the ship be "rethemed to pirate."The above "even if Erotic 'Hardu gay' style."Move a recision motion on the above two motions.Shitting in zero-g just to prove the nanite scrubbers still work.Shitting in zero-g when the nanite scrubbers aren't working, just to prove they're not.Moving your tray table from the upright position<strike>Reclining your sleatping birth back further than 5º</strike>Due to the incidents, the committee of the whole have banned all sleatping birth reclinations. If you can't handle the pain, there are 69 people on board who want your body."That's what she said.""As the actress said to the bishop.""I know you want my body, look how good it feels to be in it."The committee of the whole is willing to expand this list on the basis of creative attempts to subvert it, and is generally willing to forgive "inventiveness" in stopping close analogues of the above banned conducts.
>>38055480go read the core book. Shit gets real with when TITAN viruses are involved. The TITANs were SEED AI, they were the singularity, capable of self improvement.One of the many things they invented (or possibly were given as the result of an alien computer/memetic virus, it's unclear) were viruses that could mind control people just for looking at their code in too high a definition.Or from listening to them audio style...Or feeling them in a tactile manner.I don't know if anybody's figured out how to make sensible code from smells or tastes, but chances are, if they did, the virus would still infect through those methods as well.Basically. Unless you go out of your way to seriously fuck up the method of looking at the code and reading, and then stick in a remote control (Quantum Entanglement based so it can't be hacked or subverted) bomb in the body of the 'morph' doing the watching just in case. Bad things happen. Think skynet mixed with zombie apocalypse and some of that black goop from Promethus ontop of that and you're getting close to how bad a TITAN virus can be.I'd forgotten about that when I suggested looking through the code.Yeah, unless e have an entire ship we're willing to deorbit remotely in case of bad shit. We don't want to touch any computer stuff. That said, we MIGHT want to grab some of the harddrives and such and put them in cold storage (by which I mean a box tied to the outside of the ship in a relatively sheltered area of the hull) until we can go through them safely. Prefall info sells at a premium if it's clean, and we don't want to leave that shit behind if we can help it.>>38056262I think I can get behind these. Except the tray table from the upright position. Those magnet plates are what keep food and drink from flying all over the goddamn place.
>>38056708Yeah, but do we KNOW that?My vote:Shame to let all that juicy computers and data go to waste...
>>380568968 Months after the fact, even without space internet, we know that the TITANs were masters of digital combat, with a powerful ability to subvert AIs and transhumans, and we should have heard some horror stories about their attacks on Earth. Grey goo, nanoplagues, killbots, fractal robots, the works. TITANs are bad news, and they work best with computers. We're not hardened military specialists, so leave the computers, we can fab our own later. If we thing they might be really important, we can shove them in a carbon fullerine box for later. We don't want an infection and we don't want anyone to think we could be infected.It's the weirder shit we might not know about, which includes the possibility of a Basilisk.
Rolled 9, 2, 7, 8, 5 = 31 (5d20)>>38053624>Actually, solid question, what's our "trade language"?Access to full automatic translation expert systems is down, but limited translation AIs are available (due to your higher software rating). English, Mandarin, Cantonese all function as trade languages, and your automatic translation can map from those (or Esperanto) to the top ten other languages (Arabic, Cantonese, English, French, Hindi, Japanese, Mandarin, Portuguese, Russian, and Spanish). If you run into someone who only speaks, say, Polish or Farsi, you're on your own; though most know at least one of the top ten. >Name vote - what's the name of the ship? Proposed names: Renaskigo, Levigxi, Tóutāi, Phoenix (or write your own in)>Lemme guess, traffic control is still out to lunch?Traffic control systems are fragmentary - sometimes, the first warning you'll get that you've intruded on someone's orbit is a friendly ping from their fire control LIDAR - though various factions are establishing their own network. It might be worth it to talk to one of them. >>38054648>I mean, again, assuming any of these people have a concept of the Basilisk.You've heard the stories. People that would look at a hacked holoscreen and then - they'd just - stop, or turn on their friends. Those are just stories, right?Update incoming. If I feel like it. Maybe. Here, have a picture of jet. Jets are cool.
>>38059838>Traffic control systems are fragmentaryDamn shame. Used to be a man could count on at least national space agencies to tell him not to run into somebody's billion dollar satellite. All that wank about leaving nationalism behind and space can't even pick up the slack. >It might be worth it to talk to one of them.Do the argonauts exist yet, and can we ask them for free science?>Those are just stories, right?Listen, I've heard some crazy shit. The Basilisk is at least as real as Chicago. >Name vote - what's the name of the ship? Phoenix
Your first challenge is to stop the spinning. Your explorer team successfully cuts off parts of the spinning habitat's superstructure to slow it down, slicing off smaller chunks as they do to feed to your disassembler. Others head deeper into the torus, to check for water, life, and other supplies. As you've seen, other looters have been here before you - but as far as you can tell, it was a small crew. The medical bay has been completely stripped of anything even vaguely useful, and you don't trust what little is left. The fabbers are gone, as well - half of them looted, the other half melted with explosives. Attempts to restart power are unsuccessful; a few solar panels remain, but not enough to reestablish anything useful, and the reactor isn't even in this section. What you do find, however, is water and biomass; the greenhouse is intact, as is much of the life support. Everything in there is dead of asphyxiation and vacuum exposure, but the frozen veggies can be rendered down for water if necessary, and the hydroponics system reheated and repurposed to the creation of HO rocket fuel. There's been extensive damage from microdebris, and you'll need to to do serious repair and construction to make this work, but you should have enough fuel to fully fuel your rocket, or maybe even some extra. Doing the work necessary, on the other hand, will probably take several weeks; two if you're lucky, four or even five if you aren't. On the other hand, maybe others with more established facilities will be willing to trade you a cut of the processed fuel in exchange for raw materials and fabber time.
>>38060798Even as you're debating, you realize that the words 'extensive damage from microdebris' should have meant something to you. You call to the pilot to take us to a different orbit, but the dice of medium orbit math are not in your favor - something - a fragment of a ship, leftover orbital tanks, who knows? - intercepts your LLTOV at a relative velocity of at least a kilometer a second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heESAW2addoYou have a bare fraction of a second as the intercept warning alarm sounds; the results are instantaneous and devastating to your ship. A small pillar of dissentigrating matter blows through the lower decks, instantly killing two splicers and a vacuum pod. The rest of your people scramble for oxygen masks (if they need them) or brace as your ship boosts to a higher orbit, away from possible incoming debris in the same orbital plane. "Damage report!" you scream into the shipwide comms. Quickly, reports flood in that everyone is mostly okay, aside from the small unfortunate number, and damage to the ship's secondary fuel system. They're leaking - you're lucky they didn't just blow up then and there - and you're in no position to be losing copious amounts of fuel now. You consider that you're going to need some heavier armor, or better sensors, if you plan to bring your ship into low orbit - or you might try and dock it with the habitat, and use it as a shield, or fabricate smaller craft to shuttle people and things to and from the wreck.Lost>Three morphs. They'll be reinstantiated in virtuality.>7 fuel before the leak could be plugged, and you're lucky it didn't hit the main tank. Gained>Metallic Scrap>Silica Scrap >The Ten Star Hotel fragment systems Twenty vacuum pods are still on board, along with your rocket buggy and one of your smaller fabbers. >What do?
>>38060998Can we manufacture an umbrella? Aerogel or something similar?
>>38061165It would be easier to just build the armor directly onto the hull (with spacing, obviously). Your hull is already pretty tough as far as civilian vehicles go, but no one expected the density, size, and speed of the debris that would be created post-Fall.
>>38060998My first instinct is to hook up with the hunk of junk and use it as a mass shield until we can break it down for more direct ablative plating, but I don't know if we want to hang out in orbit for a month.I'd recommend pulling up stakes, break everything into raw feedstock where possible, pack it up and try and find a friendly port who will trade finished materials or a round of labor for fab time. I'd say try and scan for a Scum Barge with a background similar to ours, South China Sea region. A little social engineering, a little appeal to the old ways, we should be friendly enough to trade with. We should present enough of a threat that they won't feel like just seizing our means of production. We're all in the same boat and shooting that boat up costs everybody. Then we probably need to take a ship-wide vote on where everybody wants us to go, see about setting a course or hitching a ride. If we're gonna burn out to Saturn or whatever (which will take a long time), we can let everybody off who wants off but also take in more crew if others feel like going.
>>38061274We'll still need to pick up the people still on the hulk. My vote is for armoring up the ship, going back there, and at least grabbing that hydroponics system. Fuel is good.
>>38061274There are also other habitats you could salvage; this was essentially the best one that you could detect with your limited sensors.Your could also use your buggy (or build probes, though that will be slower) to investigate other habitat and see what resources are available, though, again, this will take time. In generally, the resources you need to decide what to do with are:>Your fabrication capacity>Your people>Your communications/diplomacy.You also need to determine what to do with the habitat you found - just lay a claim beacon (and hope for the best?), leave some people there, what?
>>38061409I don't know if we have the materials on-board, it might still be back on the hab. This is why I say to pull up stakes. Bring everything we can back and see if we can find somewhere safe to put in for a while while we work. They have one of our CMs, they should be able to reduce everything down pretty good.>You also need to determine what to do with the habitat you found - just lay a claim beacon (and hope for the best?), leave some people there, what?I dunno, were we intending to keep it? We just need the materials to survive, I doubt we're going to make a lot of egalitarian enlightenment picking apart corpses in orbit.
>>38061585If we didn't have the materials, I don't think it would have been mentioned as an option.
>>38061216Let's use the metallic scrap from the ten star hotel bits we cut off to begin bulking up our armor.Also we should disassemble as much of the hydroponics systems as we can, transfer them over to our own ship for repairs. Don't be afraid to build onto our ship and expand out of it if we need to. Aerodynamics aren't a big deal in space. We just have to balance mass against thrust power.We should also go to the other, non spinning section of the station, see if we can harvest their reactor.
>>38061453Say, what kind of primary weapon did we fab and mount on the ship? I assume an anti-ship railgun because that probably makes the most sense, but it wasn't clarified. Whats our complete ammunition situation, vehicular and personnel, at the moment. What kind of personal weapons did we build and/or are proficient with? We may need to take this into account in the event we either decide to stick with the Ten Star while we break it down, or leave a team on-board. Somebody else might decide they want it more than we do.
>>38063222gotta assume rail gun. Easier to keep running than a chemical based canon, also easier to assemble since you'd have to make a sealed area to pressurize the gasses that launch the slug in a chemically propelled gun.
>>38060998Seconding:>>38062719Also, we should use our coms to try and find a trading partner. As was stated earlier in the thread, we probably have some of the best fabber systems in earth orbit, so we can trade fabber time for better materials.
>>38063526Agreed. Right now we have just enough oomph fire power wise to make others think twice about fucking with us. We can probably trade and focus on upgrading armor, security systems, and weapons first (in that order)After that point we want to upgrade our engines and our reactor asap.Then I say we go looking for as many valuable materials as we can grab from the debris, even the potentially dangerous ones (which we strap inside of a carbon fullrene box on the outside of the hull) and we make burn for the Asteroid Belt or Saturn.
>>38063526Morphs in particular should be highest priority. Our egos are rotting in these cases.
Understand that, sans an method to create fuel yourself, your salvage isn't terribly valuable. In any case, rough consensus has been reached. Update is incoming.
>>38064027>>38064043Also, we have a lot of pods. Some of these pods may not have been meant to hold people, but AIs, which means we could be talking about chemical supplement dependencies or random "wetware" failures. Burn out to the belt will take at least five weeks, and saturn is more like three months. If we're going to do that, we probably want at least one healing vat or medical bot on-board to make sure nobody's body suddenly keels over from space cancer. We have the techbase to run one of those, at least.
>>38064220>>38064027>>38064043Okay right, so once we're going to want to go defenses, then method to create fuel, then wetware so we don't suffer ego decay.Then we make for saturn/the belt.
Damaged by the micrometeorite, you decide to split your efforts. You send several of the smaller fabbers and one precious CM to the Ten Star fragment to begin processing resources, while you use the already existing systems to to begin bulking up your own ship's armor for future salvaging operations, if necessary. Your workers on the Ten Star, in lieu of trying to assemble a fuel processor, work on assembling large water tanks and raw materials containers that can be easily bolted on or towed by your shuttle. These tasks are difficult. You have skilled vacworkers, but few true engineers. Your research expertise is profoundly wasted without the vast pre-Fall information networks, and there hasn't been time for retraining of your sociologists and statisticians into competent spacecraft engineers or machinists. Still, with access to good design software simple modifications for enhanced whipple shields should let you make incursions into the debris belt a bit more safely. While your vacworkers assemble armor plating and gather materials to be processed, others try to make sense of the chaotic post-Fall political environment and search for allies. Your first success is making contact with others in similar orbits - there's a larger refugee transport, the /Carolina Days/ with ten thousand souls. You've made contact with this transport three times, in fact - once the crew, twice with different passenger pods, who don't seem to like each other. You've made contact with a luxury yacht that's been seized by anarchists (and/or pirates), a Lunar-based hypercorp called Krypton Recovery Services, the UN survey ship /Bohr/ , and the independent torus habitat Vo Nguyen - and also a dozen others, but these are the ones that seem most receptive to the type of trade you're offering, with manufacturing time in exchange for using their facilities
>>38065910Getting morphs and healing vats is harder. Though mass production of the tools to produce morphs en mass is underway, the expense of high end morphs is truly astronomical. You're not going to get morphs (and thus, more hands to do things) without taking more people on board, which is already cramped, and isn't going to endear you to your population. Healing vats are also at a premium, which is unfortunate, because you have at least three morphs that might be repaired with one.You can only make a deal with one of them; with a deal, it will only take a week and a half to get fully fueled for a flight to...wherever. >Which deal do you take, and what are your conditions? >Do you want to try to recruit more people? >If you do plan on a long journey, how do you intend to do it, and what are you looking for in the destination? Do you plan to convoy with other ships?
>>38066055Can we get more information on the capabilities of each of these groups before we do anything drastic?And I think planning convoy with other ships would be smart, especially the Survey Ship if we can swing them to agreeing to partner with us. A survey ship from a large organization is likely to have good engineers, and most importantly the SENSOR SUITS we need to protect ourselves. And their ship is going to need higher quality parts that only we can provide with our advance fabrication facilities.The trick is convincing them to come with us to the asteroid belt or to Saturn orbits in order to get shit done. They might be more inclined to remain here.
>>38066055My humanitarian instincts are telling me to make for the passenger liner; they sound like they're most in need of help (which also means we can gouge them more). However, it also sounds like they're on the verge of civil war, and we don't want to get caught in any crossfire, and don't really have the skillset to go mercenary. Anyway, more data, always more.
>>38065910>>38066055Alright, I'll break down my argument so we can try and get a little consensusthe Carolina Days Sounds like a riot waiting to happen. I'm not sure we should pitch in to a brewing conflict. The Yacht also sounds like a risk. If they're real pirates and not democratic workers comrades, we'd be in for a fight and that's a waste for everybody. And we have no idea if a corp might try and seize our vessel or personnel, some of the pop might be ex-Indentures. The UN is in ruins, but a scientific ship could be friendly. They have some of the least possible reasons to give us trouble. Vo Nguyen as a port might be even better in that respect. I'd say we push to trade with one of them. Vo Nguyen might work better, because as a full hab, they might have a working mesh node we can get information from, find good places to go, and maybe hire additional crew/ships. If we can convince the Bohr to ride with us to Vo Nguyen at least, that'd be optimal. I do vote we need to find a port to put in before we do anything long term. We'll want to network, trade, take on or let off crew, and maybe even stretch our legs a little. We can't do that on an overcrowded space plane. If we are going to burn for the main belt, I say we let off any who want letting off, and take on additional crew and ships who feel like starting a new life under the goals of our crew with us. We can push out to an asteroid somewhere, dig in for materials and start building a new life. Also, OP, unless you're significantly drifting the setting even if Vo Nguyen isn't a cylinder, it's probably still an LLA holding, the alliance existed prior to the Fall. Even if it's soon to become the hub of the Reclaimer movement, if it isn't already.
>>38066055We require additional data for a meaningful answer.
>>38066193>Can we get more information on the capabilities of each of these groups before we do anything drastic?>luxury yacht that's been seized by anarchists (and/or pirates)They call themselves the Freedom Ringers, it's a mixed American/British/German group influenced by neoJeffersonian thought and loosely affiliated with the AA. They, uh, boarded a hypercorp yacht, and have been preparing for a wider-scale revolt against hypercorp and surviving government tyranny. They've been trading assets with other anarchists to liberate other habitat, which is where they got the fuel refining equipment and power generation. >a Lunar-based hypercorp called Krypton Recovery ServicesA corporation that was founded shortly after the Fall from the remains of several smaller corps. They're in the salvage and recovery business, which means reaching out to people just like you, and trying to enforce, potentially, any pre-Fall claims and salvage rules. >the UN survey ship /Bohr/The Bohr has a fusion drive, which is very useful, as well as on board tanks and refineries. All very useful, but the UN is in the middle of some political meltdowns at this point, as its bones are picked by the newly formed PC and LLA. >and the independent torus habitat Vo Nguyen An independent habitat, with its own killsat network. It's willing to trade, but is paranoid about being boarded by infected (or just desperate) refugees. They don't want you near them if they can help it. They also have a strong bioconservative streak. - and also a dozen others, but these are the ones that seem most receptive to the type of trade you're offering, with manufacturing time in exchange for using their facilities
>>38066272Yeah I really thing partnering with the UN Survey Ship is the way to go. The rest are too big of an issue.The Carolina days is on the brink of civil war. We could tip it one way or another, but frankly, I seriously doubt they'd let our method of control take over.The Anarchists are right out. fuck that.The hypercorp is focused around recovery services. That makes them unlikely to move from here with all this awesome salvage.Vo Nguyen is stationary, partnering with them would be a SHORT term deal, but they could also be a long distance contact and we'd work with them from the belt.The Bohr is really our best bet. Their natural philosophy is likely to be quite close to ours given their UN origins. They've got no real ties left to Earth and they'd probably be cool with rebuilding else where.Being a survey ship, they will have the scientific knowledge we NEED, as well as the sensor suits we could badly use. Convincing them to come with us to start a new life would be our best bet I think.The Anarchists are a wild card. I say fuck them. Though they might be cool given our method of democracy... and we could use the extra firepower and the medical facilities the luxury yatch no doubt has. But it's a massive fucking gamble.But otherwise. I really like >>38066375Here. We convince the Bohr to stick with us as far as Vo Nguyen at the very least. Restock, trade out some personel who are willing to go to the belt with us and leave behind those who don't want to come with. Get some good capital and some reputation going with the habitat, for a potential long range trading partner, and then we head out.Also. Before we do anything else. We REALLY need to salvage that hydroponics system from the original ship. As well as any frozen/preserved seeds. I doubt many have survived vacuum exposure... but there's always hope.
>>38066464>>38065910The /Carolina Days/ was a large modular transport, the most common type of transport, with dozens of cargo and passenger pods refitted for life support. It's a total mess, with a fragmented population of thousands against a crew that can't be more than six people. But it also has a few inventive types aboard you might be able to recruit.
>>38066464>>and the independent torus habitat Vo Nguyen >An independent habitat, with its own killsat network. It's willing to trade, but is paranoid about being boarded by infected (or just desperate) refugees. They don't want you near them if they can help it. They also have a strong bioconservative streak.Fuck them.>>38066464>>a Lunar-based hypercorp called Krypton Recovery Services>A corporation that was founded shortly after the Fall from the remains of several smaller corps. They're in the salvage and recovery business, which means reaching out to people just like you, and trying to enforce, potentially, any pre-Fall claims and salvage rules.>>the UN survey ship /Bohr/>The Bohr has a fusion drive, which is very useful, as well as on board tanks and refineries. All very useful, but the UN is in the middle of some political meltdowns at this point, as its bones are picked by the newly formed PC and LLA.These two. The Bohr might very well be willing to move with us to avoid all of the fallout political bullshit. And the Krypton Recovery Services would be a good place to restock and resupply in return for the salvage we bring them.We really REALLY need the Bohr if we're going to go to the belt. Refineries? Fusion Drive? And probably a fucking fantastic Sensor Suit? We need them for either of our end destinations.
>>38066537Also recruiting from the Carolina days might be a good idea. But only after we're certain they won't try to take our ship from us.
I argue we shoot for the belt. We can hollow out some asteroids, pump them full of atmosphere we harvest from Jupiter and ice we can find in the belt, and then begin growing things inside of them.
>>38066464>bioconservativeWow, that was fast. I hadn't realized those guys had invented that word yet, it's only been 8 months since the world ended. They're not going to be keen on our dream of transhuman morphological egalitarianism>>38066537>>38066493I'm actually going to switch, and say we should limp with the Bohr to either the Carolina or wherever the KRS are working out of. We can trade materials and possibly recruiting from either locale. The Bohr is a solid addition to a convoy, but may not suffice for a complete rig to build a new colony out of. Also, given our democratic principles, I say we need to give people who want off this ride off as quickly as possible without them taking much else with them. We might be able to replace them with recruits too. >inb4 we accidentally recruit the entire ship>>38066671My money's on the belt also. Shorter trip, plenty of raw materials, we can always burn out further if we don't like our prospects. Also the extropian bloc of the new Autonomist Alliance will take our money, and pay for our raw materials or finished product in turn. Friends will be good for the inevitable confrontation with claim jumpers, and while internally maybe we don't need money anymore, I says it's dumb as an organization to not keep a bank account open somewhere.
>>38066797>Wow, that was fast. I hadn't realized those guys had invented that word yet, it's only been 8 months since the world endedBioconservatism has been around for decades at this point. Pre-Fall, people were /even more radically into body modification/ than they are, on average, Post-Fall. Pre-Fall, walking around in NYC or Nectar with four cyberarms and backwards-jointed legs was 'eh, that's kinda okay'. if you want to lead a convoy, describe your pitch and I'll describe a few more recruiting prospects - the ones listed just want to trade, not partner up, not necessarily.
>>38066797Bioconservatism has been a thing ever since transhuman tech was invented. So I'm not that surprised. Transhumanity existed before the fall.>>38066797Agreed. Let's head to the KRS first. Do some quick trading since they're the most likely to be friendly to us. We figure shit out from there.Tenetative next step: We go to the Carolina, do some recruiting (people who want off from our intended destination can join the KRS or the Carolina).Tenetative Third Step: Assuming we've gotten a solid base of materials and fuel? We try to recruit the Bohr to the colonization expedition.I'd argue that we don't necessarily want lots of warm bodies to start off with here. It's not like we're going to a completely different solar system. We need a solid, firm base of experts who are into our democratic ideals and willing to help us establish a good base of operations. The Bohr might very well be willing to do that if it means avoiding the stupid politics of the PC and LLA. But we want to make a good argument for them that we can do this. So working for the KRS to start is a good idea.
>>38066375Carolina Days sounds like it is about to become a slave ship.A Yacht cannot sustain an organisation large enough for functional democracy: it is a clique. Their politics could be anything, regardless of how they represent themselves. With about 300 people, we at least align with what we say.>They've been trading assetsThat's a good sign. That means they haven't murdered the last six groups.Vo Nguyen has little interest in letting resources out of orbit, which means we need to be very careful in brokered trading. If necessary using distance trading techniques to avoid being boarded until we establish a baseline of understanding about mass theft and enslavement. They're the best bet.>Paranoid.I like them. Let's use flag semaphore from out of range while pointing the gun 45º from them. Negotiate to drag goods 1/3rd of the way to them, angle the gun 5º away, and let them inspect by EVA. If they like what they see, start flagging terms.>The BohrWe should try and negotiate with the UN ship if we can determine what papers they've written. Maybe we can appeal to them. If we can manage a fusion discussion with them, we might be able to take the yacht socio-politically.The Bohr might be a good ship to politically requisition by pressured social action. Particularly if we have any significant academics on board.The biggest thing we need is space: more bodies, better bodies, and more or larger vessel. And we need more people to establish an economically functional unit outside of this crazy planet's gravity well.>KryptonIf we negotiate with these, we are claiming full sovereignty, using lese majeste against negotiators, and getting a mediated contract with an armed third party. If Krypton doesn't know that the break down of the state system invalidates previous claims, and leaves all things as wrecks on the high sea, then they're not negotiable with as such. If they're open to such things, then better.
>>38066931Actually, can we finish stripping the 10 Star Hotel first? Let's do that, THEN we go to the KRS with all the phat loot we have.We strip it down, use the salvage to repair and bulk up our ship, get that hydroponics system converted to create fuel for us, and see if the non-spinning section is good.>>38066993So we plan on going Krypton first with our salvage from the 10star? As well as unloading anybody not onboard with our full plan? Then going Carolina to recruit if we can from anybody willing to get off? Especially anybody with engineering or science skills?Then we go for the Bohr and get them to join up if we can.
>>38066931>I'd argue that we don't necessarily want lots of warm bodies to start off with here. It's not like we're going to a completely different solar system. We need a solid, firm base of experts who are into our democratic ideals and willing to help us establish a good base of operations.We have human scientists on board. Populations with fewer than 10,000 fail. 10,000 is the take off point for a network. Even with our magic space communist production, if we lack a population base we will crash.Carolina Days may not be that population. But we should do standard preliminary work on determining the political climate of the ship. If necessary we can offer the crew a vessel trade. The crew debark to our ship, after we solve the political problems onboard the Carolina Days.With a small, non-productive population, those who can't be convinced will need to be resleeved elsewhere. Either we agree to deposit them on exit in a free port, or we leave them with KRS (knowing full well.)
>>38067134Trading our fucktons of habitation stuff is asking for trouble.Honestly, with our software where it is... I'd be more comfortable using a memetic weapon against them... if only to try and stop the civil war from breaking out. After we use it though, I'd ask that we wipe it from our own population's records and memories.I agree that we need a 10,000k population. But I think we'll have an easier time getting that population running AFTER we have established the preliminary base of operations.From there we begin going around, inviting people who have the skills we need, and want a place that is comfortable to live in and not horribly fucked up, to come live with us.Also, when we go to the KRS, we need to ask for the vats necessary to grow baseline human morphs for our population. We MUST avoid EGO death.Also, all the elements necessary to build a human body can be found in the belt... possibly with supply runs to mars and jupiter for extra.We can get this to work, but I think we shoot for 10k pop AFTER we have a suitable base of operations. A bargaining chip to attract more people you see.The start of this is good relations with the KRS, switching out our population with the KRS and Carolina, and recruiting the Bohr...and possibly an info-memetic weapon to shut down the civil war onboard the carlonina before it gets out of hand and gives us control over the vessel... but that's a big 'maybe'. One I'd only be comfortable with deploying if software, not manufacturing, was our top ability.
>>38066931I tentatively agree to this plan. If we break for Krypton, I say we lay claim via a beacon to 10 Star, and nobody else was there to file the documents. If the documents aren't filed with anybody who still exists, we'll be far out of system before the LLA or PC buys up somebody's off-world assets and decides to sue. We call legitimate salvage.>>38066921>if you want to lead a convoy, describe your pitch and I'll describe a few more recruiting prospectsWe'll keep it simple. We're a group of academics and laborers organized into a democratic collective. We believe in humanitarian ideals that each Ego is created equal (or something like that) and everybody deserves an equal chance to prosper until they do something dumb or hurtful enough to do otherwise. So we're going to punch out to the Belt, find a space rock nobody's put anything on yet, and start building a better life for ourselves. Anybody who doesn't mind a hard days work, be it in an asteroid mine, a CAD-fab laboratory, or growing the orbital hash should feel free to join. Every member of our collective gets a vote, everybody's vote has equal weight. The Ghost of Carl Sagan willing, we'll have everybody in higher quality bodies before the decade is done. The more who are in, the quicker everyone starts to benefit.
>>38067397>habitationI meant manufacturing stuff. It's our major bargaining chip. We don't lose that. Period.>>38067408Seconding this convoy oppinion. We need engineers, scientists and skilled void laborers. Preferably those philosophically inclined to agree with us. Those who are philosophically inclinded to agree with our method of governance AND show willing to learn the skills they'll need? They get in too.We really want to get the Bohr onboard the convoy however.
>>38067067It may be worth trying to use Vo Nguyen as the mediator in trades with KRS. Which means negotiating a trade with Vo Nguyen first.Except we can't go to Vo Nguyen for healing vats because of their bioconservancy. And any trade of mass for fuel will have to be "we see the fuel now," because behind a wall of killbots, anyone can avoid processing your material into fuel.If Vo Nguyen won't broker, get the Jeffersonians to.The hydroponics kit could be useful if we manage to turn the riot on Carolina Days into a revolutionary mutiny. Hell, with a Mutiny we might not need to debark a lot of people.0) Rescue our crew on 10star.1) Contact the Yacht, note elements of mutuality. Establish basic reputational statuses.2) Contact Vo Nguyen, use "display and retreat" negotiations to conduct a basic token trade of some mass for some fuel right now. Note that we need a broker.3) Contact KRS. Discuss law of orbit. Note that we have the capacity to work on drifting hulks. Display our wares. See if we get a good offer. Contract under mediation by Vo Nguyen if Vo will let us, otherwise the Jeffersonians.4) Depending on the situation:4a) Strip and trade with KRS, while conducting social warfare (seduction) on the UN research vessel and on fractions of the Carolina Days passengers. Then work on the Jeffersonians.4b) Strip and trade with Vo Nguyen, while conducting social warfare (seduction) on the UN research vessel and on fractions of the Carolina Days passengers. Then work on the Jeffersonians.4c) Strip and refine with the Jeffersonians, develop direct mutuality and negotiate a temporary loose AA network. Convince them that settling far out is good for us all. Then work on the Bohr (small group of researchers looks better than masters of a revolutionary slave ship). Then work on the Carolina Days.The goal being a 4 ship convoy to outer.I vote for Saturn, if not Uranus. Transiting there's fine. But far away from here.
>>38067408>I tentatively agree to this plan. If we break for Krypton, I say we lay claim via a beacon to 10 Star, and nobody else was there to file the documents. If the documents aren't filed with anybody who still exists, we'll be far out of system before the LLA or PC buys up somebody's off-world assets and decides to sue. We call legitimate salvage.sounds good to me. Again, we strip the sucker down before we go to them first though I think.
Interlude: A Day Outside[[It's funny, the damage doesn't look as bad from out here.]] The reference was lost, if it was a reference at all. Thomas Jonas stared off into the distance as the armor plating he'd just finished assembling as put in place over the bell of the ship. He'd been visiting the Hong Kong Social Development Conference when travel had broken down, been forced to make a run for the space port. He remembered feeling cold and numb all of a sudden, lying in a pool of something red - and when he woke up, he was in space, three months had passed, and everyone was dead. He hadn't even seen the Earth *Fall* [[That's just because you don't know where to look - see - ]] the man beside him pointed, using his AR interface to guide the man's gaze. [[That used to be home to three million people - you can see that it's been split in three. No one got out. And there - ]] he pointed at the Earth - those cloudless regions, those bright spots - those aren't cities. Those are *scars* ]] Xi Wu was doing frantic construction work, refitting anything with an engine to hold passengers and get *out*. He and his fellows had only just finished repairing this very ship when the message game that they were abandoning LEO. He and his friends were lucky to be alive. [[I can see the graves of a million souls every time I come out here.]] [[Yes - I see. I'm sorry. It's just - this - living like this....we have to be capable of doing better. It doesn't feel real, like if I just go back home, they'll be someone waiting for me. Or if I go to the Moon, or Mars, they'll be cities, real cities, with real people - ]] he gestured back to his vacuum-adapted morph. [[- and I just can't *think* like this, be like this -]] Thomas trailed off. Xi turned away from the outsider. Or was he the outsider? That same sense of entitlement has pervaded the crew. He might have said something, but caution stayed his words. This crew was still divided. >bonuses may be provided for good fiction
>>38067494Or pull 10* to a higher orbit, and staple / tow it from the largest ship in the collective we have by then, decompile all the electronics that won't house humans, and make it a mechanically operated potential hab section.
>>38067494I say we strip the raw materials out too, but we do not want to be bogged down in a legal claims battle in this system right now, and a lot of people are elbowing for their share of the scraps. Krypton might be straight with us, but if they report back to the LLA, some banker or business magnate might decide we need to reimburse them for what was "theirs".
>>38067557That might work. We should consider it. I still think we should just strip it down. The thing is obviously massive, and the necessary fuel to tow it is going to be fucking huge.The rules of momentum don't change just because you're in 0g. The larger the mass, the more energy required to accelerate it, to change it's velocity.I think we're better off stripping it to the fucking BONES. Bring everything to the KRS for trade. Get us some healing vats and maybe even the tools necessary to vat grow human baseline morphs.Then we leverage the fact we HAVE those two things to get a convoy going, we bring people off of the fucking Carolina, and then we convince the Bohr to come with us. Then we break, all of us, for the Belt and safer havens than a fucking nest of undetonated potential titan weapons.Also write faggotry coming on.
>>38067515Jacob Koh felt the shift happen as he moved his conciousness from his human Morph and into the infoweb. His wife and child's minds were both in the infoweb, and the trio had a regular rotor between the sole body they possessed between the three of them, an unmodified Human body that had once been Jacob's own. A mix of Han and English genetics that had been born naturally and modified post-birth, just like his own child.It was a cruel necessity. His son had only been 7 when the fall had begun. His wife Natalia was an immigrant from Australia to Singapore before everything started to go to hell.He'd come up into orbit to work for LEO, bringing his software and fabrication knowledge with him, hoping to earn enough to get his family out of the continuously expanding warzones and to someplace safe like Mars or even beyond if they could manage it.When things had started to go properly to hell, he'd pulled the few strings he had in the group, and gotten a priority upload for his wife and child's minds into the local network, only an hour before Singapore had gone dark with the rest of Asia.Ever since then, to help them both cope with what was going on, they'd hot-bunked in his body. Switching on a set rotor when the body wasn't sleeping. When it did, Jacob and Natalia both saw to it that their child was the one in the body, able to experience natural dreams for his developing mind.Now it was Natalia's turn in the body. The network wasn't built to be a proper simulation, but his and other software worker's attempts had made it ever so slightly better for those onboard. No time dialation effects and even some of the basic senses in a falseto manner. As Natalia jacked in fully into her husband's body, working to readapt to it, she began to walk towards the next set of chores that were required of her when her husband wasn't available to work the fabbers or help with construction.>cont.
>>38068014Jacob himself began to pull up some scripting and worked with his Son's mind in showing him how to work with software and to operate machinery from the infoweb, plus the regieme of games and exercises they trio had worked on to stave off the effects of ego decay in the network.It had not be a good few years, but it would soon be better, or so Jacob hoped every time he argued in the meetings to get the salavage together to build, or trade for the necessary things to make proper human sleeves for the crew. Things would get better, he had to hope, for his family if nothing else.
>>38067744>The rules of momentum don't change just because you're in 0g. The larger the mass, the more energy required to accelerate it, to change it's velocity.This anon speaks the truth. Your rocket is kind of shit, and you were leaking fuel. Even topped off, that's a bit beyond you, as it is now? No, not even maybe. In any case, convoy shenanigans will probably wait for next thread - I'll remain watching, but things are going on here for me. I'll read anything posted in this thread before composing the next, however, so don't be afraid to add writing and ideas. >I'm not a robot>mfw I'm a robot
>>38068264>This anon speaks the truth. Your rocket is kind of shit, and you were leaking fuel. Even topped off, that's a bit beyond you, as it is now? No, not even maybe.My ambit is to strap what we don't sell for fuel to Carolina Day. My conception is predicated on needing ten thousand people, and a large ship, for any long outbound orbit to be meaningful politically.The other anon's point regarding needing the industrial basics to be able to produce a hab in safety when we arrive, are more pressing than extra ex-hab mass on a long slow burn.
>>38067515Lily Mei-Mei Fung carefully finished assembling a Submachine Gun fresh from the fabricator with the utilitool she'd been provided - making sure to follow the visual instructions displayed on her AR glasses exactly.Lily could barely read - she'd been what they called an "Underclasser" back on Earth, living in the slums packed tight against the Enclave walls. As she worked, she had to pull the sleeve on her too-long coverall up so it stopped getting in her way, revealing her sleeve of gang tattoos.Back on Earth, she'd run with a decent sized street gang called the Bread Town Boys, her only employment option besides prostitution or off-world slavery. Her first gang leader had tried to push her to go into whoring anyway, but after she cut his ear off, the guy one up the food chain from him decided he liked her style, and kept her on as muscle. Thoughts about that time flashed into Lily's head every time she caught a glance of her tats or one of her few gang members aboard the ship. She finished assembling the boxy, simple weapon, and turned to load the magazine with a block of the caseless ammunition that went with it. When the word had finally trickled down to the unwashed masses about the Fall, how we were all really leaving the Earth behind, they'd thrown themselves at the Enclave walls like the angry waves that hit the seaport during a storm. Only people with a lot of skill or determination actually made it in and having a pack of armed, angry young people helped that. Lily was one of about half a dozen members who had made it into this particular crew.On Earth, they'd had only clubs and blades - too many guns would bring in the riot cops, matte black tactical armor and shock batons, or worse: a drone strike. The population of the shuttle was mostly workers who'd traded their selves to get off-planet, and to get away from things like wandering street gangs. Lily was of two minds about the whole thing. >cont
>>38069998On the one hand, she was a cynical, poorly-educated street tough. Grand claims of democracy and prosperity went great for the workers and the academics, but lots of governments tried to spin that shit. Saying it didn't mean anything. On the other hand, the technology available to the crew was better than what she'd had, and while living conditions weren't much better than the slums, they could be. And while some people looked at her funny, her vote carried as much weight as anybody else's, which was better than in the gang where you went wherever the top god said, even if he was only thinking with his stomach or his dick. If equality and prosperity were coming, it'd actually be nice for a change.Lily followed the manual check as indicated to her by the instructions, then set the weapon to sync to the AR display of the glasses. Once the smartlink was connected, she followed her instructions to have it electronically check all the functions. See, she had a place here. Lily might not have known a lot about shooting, but she was plenty familiar with hurting other people to keep them from taking her shit, or when she wanted to take their shit. The same couldn't be said for everyone in this "collective". And if the collective decided they didn't want legbreakers, she could always find somebody else who did. Lily whistled as she stood up, resting the completed weapon on a sling over one shoulder. She was the first of her shift to complete a weapon. She'd already been poor when the world ended, like a lot of these people. It could only go up from here.
>>38069799Do we want to be meaningful politically, though?
>>38071352I think we have to be if we want to avoid being stomped over... We don't need the 10k pop before we get there, but we should build towards it.
>>38071352>Do we want to be meaningful politically, though?I don't mean in the sense of party or faction, but in the sense of the politics of living. A hobby community of 300 souls will end up being a fucked in the head commune. Unless it has a real necessity it faces in living, like mining carbon and hydrogen for example. Even then, it would become a welsh mining hamlet.Social mass preserves us from out own political insanity. 12 yahoos on a yacht can worship jefferson. 12000 people need to be human to each other.Small societies produce big ideas that dominate their members.
>>38071940ah I see what you mean. Yeah, that makes sense then.
>>38071940>Social mass preserves us from out own political insanity. 12 yahoos on a yacht can worship jefferson. 12000 people need to be human to each other.For transhumans existing in a cybernetic society, this may or may not be true.
>>38075354>For transhumans existing in a cybernetic society, this may or may not be true.I don't know if you've been noticing people fucking around here, but the mesh is fucking fucked right now. Nobody can get porn, we've been having to fuck each other instead.NO MESH HERE. EARTH'S FUCKED.
>>38075713But, uh, many of the morphs - especially the vacworker morphs - might be actually have any sex drive or compatible equipment.
>>38075788The point he's making is that there's no United society nor will there be for about a decade. Plenty of time to go fill cult without a large enough population.
>>38075834Or actually build the backbone of a society where direct labourers democracy and access to sleeves that first allow basic self-expression, then the desired self-expression is possible. While not being killed by government's mad war bots.
>>38075897Still requires sufficent Pop to achieve.
>>38075929Your mom requires sufficient pop to achieve.
>>38075929>PopBTW, I can't be the only one who's imagining this whole thing as basically the transhuman version of the Battlestar galactica board game... except we have no tacnukes nor a huge carrier ship.Yet
>>38075929Which is why we must liberate the passengers of the Carolina Days. Which means we need to figure out which of our social researchers are action oriented transformative people, work with a team on the rest of the vessel, and see if anybody wants to embed in Carolina Days by remote comms, info, or physical. I'd suggest physical: it is less infectious incase they're a plague ship.I'm not suggesting personal orbital manoeuvres or anything.
>>38077192Think this is a bad idea... 10000 right from the get go is going to end in pain and tears.No, no... We need to get a really well established base of operations, something that makes people WANT to come to us.
>>38078099Do you know who'll want to come to us? Heavily armed individuals looking to sit on thrones of bones.
>>38078099Agree with this guy. We need to work up to 10,000 slowly. Assimilating the Carolina Days would just make us the Carolina Days + manufacturing barge. And given how well the Carolina Days seems to have been doing, we really don't want that.
>>38078241> Heavily armed individuals looking to sit on thrones of bones.Then we make it not cost effective.
>>38078280Exactly. If somebody wants to come for us? We make it bloody clear that they'll not be getting their money's worth out of us. If somebody wants you dead enough, you can't stop them. You just have to make 'enough' so large almost no one is going to want you dead that much.
>>38078250Focus on stripping the 10 star, trade with KRS for advanced blue prints and devices we can't fab ourselves. Maybe take on a few more jobs from them in return for surplus fuel? Then we get talent from the Carolina from those who want off that powder keg, the we get the Bohrs to join up with us and head for the belt.
>>38078459If it takes less than a full Destroyer Group to remove you, your position isn't hardened enough.
>>38078563300 people, at least 200 of whom aren't mobilisable, are not going to hold off serious comers.
>>38078667We can certainly make it too much bother to try and take what little we have. Anybody who can take us right now without any trouble will have so much they won't want to waste resources taking what little we have.If we were out past Uranus orbit, where the posthumans futz about and steal people so they can use their egos... Then we'd be in trouble. Luckily they don't like to come far past Pluto orbit, and tend to stick to the Oort cloud.Everybody else we look like too much trouble to raid.
>>38078563There we can agree. But right now we don't have to worry about this level of bad. Once we start colonizing the belt though? We'll have the raw materials to pull it off I think.
>>38078667Yeah, unless we were planning on having them stand on the surface of our potential new home and throw rocks, our physical numbers will count for little if anyone comes at us seriously from space. Right now I think our mass to guns ratio is pretty good. We have one dorsal anti-ship gun, and a shitload of missile launchers whose operators can cling to the hull. It makes the hand-full of things we currently own too much of a pain in the ass to steal.
>>38079192This anon gets it.Right now our big deal is to get more ships, salvage more parts and such. Maybe a hull. We get a convoy going, we get the Bohrs and everything else set up, then we head for the belt, set up our little democracy, and proceed to set up an empire in the belt connected by quantum entanglement and other means. If we pull it off super good, maybe we can claim one of the breaker gates!
Also, we've somehow managed to completely avoid discussing this, which I feel is unusual to /tg/, but if we're going to do some sociopolitcal engineering on the Carolina, wouldn't the easiest and potentially most profitable be to arm the side we like the most with weapons? We can produce small arms, we can turn some of our raw materials into some shitty open source tech, hand them out to whomsoever we decide needs them and call it a day. Humans have been playing this trick forever.
>>38079417Cause that worked so well in the Middle East...
so wonder if op will be back now that cyclops civ has dropped off the board...
so first priority is getting some baseline 'flat' morphs right? Basic human biology?
>>38079417Given that there are six rulers, and 10000 toilers, we network the toilers we agree with and use social mass to pull the rest along.Guns come last.
>>38080432I think the bare minimum we should insure everyone is vat grown baseline 'flats' matching their ideal body. No genetic modification beyond the basics.As our tech advances, we improve the baseline genetic enhancements every citizen receives, and there's no limits on citizens being able to improve their bodies with personal expenditure.>>38080780I'd say we can just take who we want from it you know? Especially if we salvage a few more ships or put together some towing-habitats you know?We need people with workable skills, and they'll be wanting OUT of there.I don't think we should do anything more than take what we need from there, then get the fuck away before it inevitably implodes you know? When that thing goes up it's going to take everyone on board with it. Better to not even be close to it if we can help it, at least not longer than we have to be.
>>38080821>we can just take who we want from itI for one would like to have enough room to not shit on a schedule. Why take who we want, when we can just take the ship?I'm happy to put disruptive elements into cold storage until we find a community that suits their special needs. And then we solve the sleeve AND the living quarters problems simultaneously. We could even allow people to fork. Wouldn't you want two or more of me around?
>>38080876Does the ship even have cold storage? If it doesn then we've got an issue.If there's enough people on board who want to run with us? Great. We take over the ship, offer to dump everyone else with KRS who as a megacorp can probably use the spare bodies to run salvage operations or something.But if this goes REALLY bad? Then the entire thing will blow up, and you know who will descend on it? Pirates and Slavers and I don't want us within the disaster radius.Better to be conservative about this. We get a convoy going. If we can convince these schmoes to come with us to the belt and help set things up? Great. A colony ship would be perfect for that. But otherwise I think that this entire endeavor is asking for trouble in a big fucking way. I think we should focus our efforts on recruiting the Bohrs because out of everyone, their philosophy is most likely to fall in line with our own, and they have gear that perfectly compliments our own, especially if we intend to run for the belt.
Before we do anything else, we need to finish stripping down both sections of the 10 Star, everything we can strip away. Hopefully there's an intact reactor inside as well, if we can grab that then we can do a LOT of good.
>>38081852I say we figure out just how much fuel we need to reach KRS, and then we use what remains to navigate some more, continue salvage operations, bring everything we can to them. Sell it off, buy fuel, rinse, wash, repeat. We do that until we can get a full tank of fuel, it'll also give us the opportunity to find ships to repair and use.
>>38080821>>38080432Technically, our first priority should be making the transhuman baseline - Splicers. A "flat" is a human with no genefix or basic medical implants, we can make those easy, just takes a womb and about 18 years. Splicers, on the other hand, are screened and have negative genetic traits (congenital defects and genetic diseases) removed, aptitudes optimized and basic biomedical and safety mods installed. Since any tech we have to grow morphs at all can probably accomplish this automatically, we might as well shoot for the minimum.If we're planning on living in a microgravity environment, we also probably want to acquire the ability to produce Bouncers or Hibernoids, the gene-lines suited for long-term space living (our Vacuum Pods may also find Bouncers more familiar if they've been using those bodies long, they have similar capabilities). From there we should start expanding our morph and implant capabilities so that our populace can acquire whatever they want or need. Let's not fall into the problem the Titanian Commonwealth will have in a few years, where they promise a body for every mind - but all they can offer is a narrow slice of homogenized options in one template. This means we either need to burn out to the Belt or beyond where we can find open source designs easier, buy or steal the plans while we're in the inner system, or find some genehackers to do this kind of thing for us.
>>38083015gotcha, so splicers with a focus on Bouncers and Hibernoids to begin, and then we start expanding our options as much as possible to give people a wide array of choices.At the very least we should insure that cosmetically people can be as diverse as possible.
>>38085371With a healing vat, cosmetic alterations will be trivial.
>>38085391>>38085371Healing Vat is basically a 1-man hospital in a people jar. Assuming we can actually get some that aren't loaded with DRM (though with Software our second strongest I'm sure we have some guys who can jailbreak them, just make sure we do that somewhere where johnny law won't shoot us and send us all to prison for it) and can obtain all the right code to have it fully function, it can perform just about any medical procedure you'd like in time. Cosmetic augmentations are easy. The primary question is getting enough healing vats and morph tanks to actually supply our populace with what they need, let alone what they'll want. But that might be something to save really worrying about until we get a little more square footage.
>>38085607We'll be in the Belt. And right now I think the "law" is literally the maximum firing distance of any given power's weaponry.I think we can safely jailbreak shit without anybody coming down on us given that the system is still in rebuild mode from the Fall. Nobody to enforce shit.I'd argue we need to run more salvage operations. We get a convoy going, get that survey ship if we can. Run more salvage operations with KRS as our broker and supplier. When we've gotten what we need from the debris field of Earth (or when those mysterious killsats get put into place) we make for the belt.Right now everything we could need is in earth orbit, if we can get a convoy together with the idea of saving up to make a break for the belt? We're good.
>>38085854I'm just feel what I think is a rational concern that somebody might feel the need to use us to show off how big their metaphorical dick is.The Planetary Consortium is new, and made of corp interests. The LLA is older, but before the Fall they were more like non-aggression and mutual aid pact, not a sovereign government, it's habitats had nationstates or NGOs backing them up. If we step on somebody's toes too hard, they might decide to make a show of force.
>>38086320So basically. If we go around jailbreaking shit and being too loud about doing so, one of them will feel the need to shove a gun down our throats and pull the trigger?In that case we should be fairly quiet about the jailbreaking of stuff until we hit the belt and can work more closely with the AA and the defense that'll bring.
>>38086419As long as we have that anti-ship railgun, I'm pretty sure nobody's going to feel a pressing need to call us out on our software piracy.
>>38086479>I'm pretty sure nobody's going to feel a pressing need to call us out on our software piracyOh no, the Planetary Consortium certainly doesn't treat digital piracy or other IP crimes like terrorist activities, no siree bob.
>>38086578PC doesn't really exist yet, I don't think.
>>38086702It's forming up, and during their formation they went out of their way to make "examples" of Digital Pirates.We should probably step carefully around them, since we'll be right next to their primary holding: mars orbit.If you guys prefer, we can always just reverse engineer their software and cloning vats, instead of outright jailbreaking them?
>>38086747Why even do that, I'm sure we can find the dessicated husks of people who DID commit a bit too much software piracy and use them. Alternatively we can do some scouting work and point people with big guns at the people we don't like and make like a vulture in the aftermath.
>>38086747We'll have to wait and see what we can obtain, anyway. I'm pretty sure we have unrestricted fabricators right now, which is also a point of contention with the new PC. We should probably just try to avoid setting down in any major corporate holdings who feel like doing a customs check or shouting on local internet forums "HEY, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO CRACK THIS DRM?". If we can obtain materials we need to mass produce them, we'll figure out how best to make them available to everyone, but we don't really even have room for a full medical/augmentation suite right now. We're like, 50 people over standard capacity, aren't we? Once we're actually in the Belt, we probably won't have to worry to much. So long as we're not huge and we don't go out of our way to steal and redistribute their designs, we'll manage. The Belt itself is too spread out, and has as many independent miners or prospectors as it does corporate facilities. If we can build a few long-range mass drivers and get a decent engagement radius, that might help too.
>>38087027I think our next goal might be to find a mostly intact ship in the debris field, manually disable it's engines, comms, and weapon systems, run a complete check of it's systems just incase it was TITAN infected, clean them out, then take over the ship for ourselves.Seems reasonable?
>>38087074Ya know, wouldn't it just be safer to corrupt the data to hell and factory reinstall it rather than risk tech zombies?
>>38087129Probably the best plan... though where are we going to get the factory presets for most of those systems? I mean with software as our second best we might be able to risk the full thing...but honestly? I think we need to take the risk... rather than bricking the entire ship you know? Most of the ships in orbit, their manufacturers are probably nuclear craters right now.
>>38087281if were going to be cleaning a system whoever does it better be an infomorph who has a hell of a life insurance policy and is hopefully disconnected from the grid with a backup of himself in stasis somehow. Otherwise it can go south fast. It STILL can go south fast anyway.
>>38087364Maybe we're approaching this wrong.How interchangable are starship systems as a rule in EP?Are we talking the differences between a Mac and a Windows? or the differences between a military battleship and a boeing airliner?If it's the former, then with manufacturing and such, we can just rip the harddrives and RAM out of every single system, and replace them with direct copies of our own stuff and then some software patchwork right?
>>38087419don't need to necessarily rip them out, just need to use various methods of bricking them, alternatively engaging an automated factory reset should do it too,
>>38087468Unless said factory reset is essentially mechanical in nature (which I doubt) then any TITAN virus will have subverted it somehow.How badly damaging is a magnet to the side of a harddrive? I know it pulls all of the little mirrored bricks out of alignment on the disk, but is that a permanently damaging thing or would a disk reformatting fix it?
>>38087550Factory standard is usually whatever came default with the program and nothing else, so now that you mention it, yes, TITAN software almost certainly has programmed itself in as "default" software or whatever as a survival method.
>>38087581Well I still think we can risk a single infolife form. They're generally MUCH more cool with this sort of thing given that they fully understand they're just copies of information. They routinely delete their past selves. I think one or more infolife might be cool with forking and sending one fork into the system to run a system scan.
>>38087649Yes, so long as it has some sort of factory back up of itself in case it fucks up, and it gets quarantined for a random period of time afterwards to help prevent sudden TITAN incursions into our systems.
>>38087687That's why I'm saying fork them.The fork goes in, and comes back out after a random quarantine, or just is up and deleted (though the infolife might be against that).Speaking of which. I think we'd better put in a proviso into our democratic rules that no fork who has existed for less than 5 years gets a vote. That's the cut off point I think for a Fork being unable to remerge with it's old conciousness without driving the unforked being mad.
>>38087728oh damn, good call, that'd be a great way to game the system.
>>38087792Pretty much. Forks CAN become independent entities though, so flat our FORBIDDING them from having a vote is obviously right out. But we have to put in a method of keeping somebody from going "Okay, I copied myself 500 times. We all get a vote."Fuck that.
>>38087728Although, now that I think about it, since were upstart we don't need hard rules so long as a general "don't be a dick and try to rig the voting system" rule with the punishment of being beaten until you stop rigging the system.
>>38087815Well it could also be as simple as you need permission from the group as a whole before we let you Fork yourself. Forking is a pretty big deal and flat out illegal in large parts of the system.Obviously it's the best answer for our current predicament though.
>>38087840illegal forking wouldn't have much of a punishment beyond forcing the fork to remerge with the recipient and the inability to vote or use the group resources for a set period of time perhaps?We really can't afford to beat our people, also it's not that effective given that most pods don't have fully functional pain receptors.
>>38087904Some of the best group bonding is in the form of kicking the group shitler repeatedly as a form of punishment, let everyone join in, it'd be great for morale!
>>38087932Arguably not in our case because sleeves are actually way more important than egos at the end of the day. We got some decent egos, but our sleeves are shit. Beating somebody up only damages the sleeve.
>>38089006I'm not so familiar with this canon but in theory couldn't we just tailor a few more shirts if we need to improve our sleeves?
>>38089082Sleeve = Morph = Body.Ego = Mind.In Eclipse Phase, especially directly after the fall, bodies are at a premium. Even in the full setting, most 'egos' can only afford what is basically a box bot with legs, manipulators, and a camera, with barely enough wetware to prevent egodeath (basically the lack of all those hormones and chemicals that the human brain is used to experiencing, anything that's not infolife will eventually suffer egodeath in the wrong sort of body, basically becoming an emotionless, unimaginative husk)Damaging a "Sleeve" or "Body" in this setting is generally an expensive mistake.
>>38089193Welp. So much for my plan for resolving conflicts via thunderdome.
>>38089193Actually, all those hormones and chemicals are typically just simulated in synthmorphs. Only wetware brains get wetware support structures.
>>38089266Sadly yeah. We could always set up a virtual thunderdome with good enough soft ware... make those inside feel virtual pain... but in general I doubt it.Also, I should mention that the terminology for "Pod" doesn't necessarily refer to a pill like thing you stick a body into to do shit. A Pod is a specific, highly specilized cyborg body.A Worker Pod for example excels at getting shit done. Laborer type basically.Alternatively, a Pleasure Pod is basically a cyborg-whore body.>>38089296Thanks, I forgot about that. But the basics remain the same. If you aren't in a network with the necessary simulations or have very very low grade bodies that weren't meant for long term habitation, then you suffer egodeath after too long.That's what we're facing right now I might add. We might survive a few months on a rotar of the GOOD bodies we have, but it's not going to last much longer than that. Which is why we need to get upgrades to our morphs asap.
Well, I had no expectation that this thread would still be around today; this has been an interesting discussion all around. I'm a bit surprised that founding your own hypercorp and joining the PC, or joining the LLA (build your own moonbase? Focus on building up your own habitat?) didn't didn't cross your radar and 'make a beeline for the Belt' so quickly became consensus, especially given the /epg/ general consensus on autonomists/anarchies. I kind of half expected you to make break for Jupiter, knowing /epg/ .Not that that's incorrect; just my impression and expectations. Probably not going to get around to a full update today, but a reminder that writing is encouraged and things from player write-ins will be canonized if appropriate. Most of the delay is figuring out a good way to create a skill breakdown, because I realized my initial method of classifying capabilities was totally inadequate.
>>38089595Sadly all my experience writing quest fics involve HUEHUEHUE fatalities and/or extremely shameful fetish related deaths. I doubt you want either of those.
>>38089595Can you tell us if the two write ins we've done so far are canon?
>>38089595The guys who post in the EPG threads are generally trolls. No reason to listen to those fucks.We're heading for the Belt because in general, Civ builder's strategy is read as: "Conquer the whole damn planet through a combination of diplomacy and military might".If this runs long enough, expect us to lead a spear head to reclaim earth via "Rok"
>>38089693I assume so seeing as they both are quite minor seeing as there are over 200 people on the boat. >>38089745If were going to reclaim earth I think the best method involves sending a significant amount of EMPs into earths atmosphere and pretty much carpet bombing anything even remotely shaped like a computer.
>>38089779>If were going to reclaim earth I think the best method involves sending a significant amount of EMPs into earths atmosphere and pretty much carpet bombing anything even remotely shaped like a computer.Obviously we'd be mountain nukes on the tips of the Roks to act as a retrothruster. We go full Ork on this.
>>38089779The best method for reclaiming Earth is to not. After what we'll have to do to it to make it 'safe', it'll be about as habitable as the surface of Venus. Pre-terraformation Mars, if we're very lucky. An Earth that you have to terraform from scratch isn't much of an Earth at all.
>>38089840You know what, you're right, lets just build a deathstar, blow earth up, and then turn that deathstar into a new earth. It worked in the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and it should work here too.
>>38089840Or we do this the HFY way. Say "Fuck the Rules" and reverse engineer TITAN tech to the point we can fuck back at them just as hard.Then we go after whatever infected the TITANs
>>38089341It should also be noted, "Pods" were not originally designed for use by humans. They're meat-sacks with all the complex stuff replaced by cybernetics, including the central nervous system. They were originally built for AIs to use to solve the Uncanny Valley problem most pure robots have. Unfortunately, that means that they aren't as tuned to run a full transhuman and may have serious "hardware" defects which translate to "drop dead suddenly of space cancer when it hits the end of it's product lifespan". >>38089595/epg/ is also home to some people with strong feelings about certain subsets of the AA and how good they are, and not in the ironic way. Fluff treats the main belt as a giant mesh between the major inner and outer system powers (Freeholds like Extropia and Ceres, criminal bases, brinker habs and economic experiments, as well as corporate enterprises) that will probably suit a neutral path between various large scale factions, though personally I say once we're established we should join the AA's charter, but I know that the Battle of Locus will happen. We can save it once we've settled a place and see what the situation is like. (Plus the belt is full of metallics, carbon and silicates, the occasional volatiles.)Also, I mean, we picked +Morpholigical Freedom, +Egalitarianism and what I would say is something like +Personal Wealth or +Personal Development, depending on if we're actually going to have material wealth when this is all done. We can't stay in the LLA, they're too conservative and I'm sure none of our comrades really want to see the broken husk of the Earth every time they go outside. And judging by how many pods we have, I'm also sure our noble crew doesn't feel like rejoining the corporate world. >>38089889Careful with that talk, comrade. There are forces who would not appreciate such dangerous words.
>>38089889If they are even remotely smart (and they are), they probably integrated the mematic viruses directly into there source coding, and may even have significant amounts of junk coding and false lead coding. This would actually serve a similar purpose to our DNA, causing viruses to latch onto the incorrect location and be useless (can't brick a system if the system you programmed it to delete is actually just cleverly written junk), and to cause data corruption to cause absolutely nothing to happen most of the time, which is good as earth sounds like its an irradiated nightmare.
>>38089963>Battle of Locushistory refresher?
You know what would be hilarious?If we build up a significant enough power base in the Belt, we could make a play for system wide control.Go Great Uniter on this.
In theory, the Belt is perfect for this end game goal. IF we can get the numbers to back us up on this.We might have to use memetic viruses, and dare I say it? We might have to do some really dangerous shit discovering what makes TITAN viruses tick and co-opt them.After all, what's the point of going full uniter if it's not to defend against the return of the TITANs? We know we're not alone out there. Our rebellious spawn are after our blood, and we MUST strike first this time.
>>38089676This is sadly probably...not that EP-inappropriate. I'd still you rather not have smut in my civ thing. >>38090059Locus is/will be the largest anarchist habitat. Sometime in the next couple of years, the PC is going to send people with guns to wipe out the software pirates. It doesn't work, thanks to Titanian intervention, and diehard defenses>>38089693Both so far look good.
>>38090332Okay, I'll keep it purely non lewd if I write it then. Still, accidentally accessing the 4chan archives and having all the info morphs go insane and descend into anarchy can definitely occur.
>>38090332>Locus is/will be the largest anarchist habitat. Sometime in the next couple of years, the PC is going to send people with guns to wipe out the software pirates. It doesn't work, thanks to Titanian intervention, and diehard defensesWhat say we play a role in that upcoming battle? I say we focus our efforts not JUST into making asteroids work...I say we make a Migrant Fleet. A warfleet. Something that can strike fast, and hard, wherever the hell we want.The Solar System is fucked up by everyone doing what is best for themselves, not what is best for the whole. Transhumanity will go extinct this way.No. It is time for a firm hand. A uniting hand. We go Qin Dynasty on this shit.
I say we focus on making our simulspaces as awesome as possible to account for how most of our population is going to have "infolife" and "WALL-E" as their morph options for the forseeable future.
>>38090748Add servers and simulspace designers to the list, Donnie
>>38089595Jupiter'd never take us, there's way too many Pods here. We're all soulless shells to them.
I have a question?We have fuck awesome fabbers right?Why are we trying to get cloning vats?When we can instead make Synths for everybody that don't even NEED to breath to function?
>>38092587Building sophisticated cyberbrains for higher quality living, aptitudes and adjustments is hard work, which we don't have the techbase for. Nobody ever really planed on high quality robot living much. Hell, a lot of the high-quality Synth designs probably don't even exist yet. We'd need at least a team of highly talented and dedicated roboticists, neurologists and computer engineers to improve their quality of life. Otherwise its generic creepy synths or mass produced Cases. (Plus, we're a democracy who promised morphological freedom for all, it would be kind of shitty of us to say "So long as you agree to cram yourself into a toaster")
>>38092587Because most people don't feel comfortable in synths, for... reasons.
>>38092828Like not being able to breathe after having done that for Xty years.
>>38092753I meant short term. Also we should invest in combat synths if only for our hard core military types.
>>38092946Well, short term, we'd need the additional fab mass first, and we'd need some plans. If we could build some Daityas, that'd be good, sleeve a few human power-loaders. And everybody has a few Reapers lying around. They're like fighter-tanks.
>>38092753Well we should see about building temporary combat synths and see if we can develope our own cyber brains... We need to see if we can do it at least.That said, I see it as a short term solution. We need cloning vats eventually.
>>38092985>fab massHas nobody been paying attention to the ideas for stripping the fucking 10 star down to the bones?
>>38093020Right, but we need to actually complete that first. Which would require an update. We also may need to do other stuff with that material depending, we actually have a couple different threads on what EXACTLY to do next which probably won't get resolved without a vote.
>>38093059I think stripping down the 10 star for raw materials is the first thing, everything proceeds from there.
>>38093116How long is that going to take though? Granted we don't need to move or use up fuel while we're doing this, but it's pretty big to do this... Right?
>>38094369>>38093116Yes. Stripping down the section of the habitat is a pretty big undertaking with only one or two CMs. A couple of months, at least, and that's spending some non-trivial time and effort engineering cutting tools, storage systems, etc, not to mention power. >>38092587This anon >>38092753 has it right. You'd likely not win the 'erryone a robot now' vote, or at a minimum you'd cause a schism.
>>38094574I'd say we could at least get people to agree to robot bodies on a temp basis... If we could engineer ones that didn't cause ego death.I'm not saying we give up on getting proper splices for everybody, just that short term? Synths are going to be a duck ton easier to make... We have some synths on board right? Can't we reverse engineer their cyberbrains?
>>38094661I mean, a basic synth is still going to avoid ego death... Right?
>>38095165Yeah. I'm pretty sure the guy talking about it just made it up; it might not be comfortable, but anything capable of running a transhuman brain in the first place will be capable of doing so long-term.
>>38095205Egos get weird spending long amounts of time instanced in Synths (especially those with poor emulation environments) or as Infomorphs, but in general, yes, there won't be anything wrong with them a little therapy or psychosurgery wont fix. An actual Synthmorph isn't too bad, they'll just find socializing awkward. Luckily, nobody is in a Case, those things are terrible. Hell, some of the Pods might be dodgier than the generic Synthmorphs.
>>38095376Presumably egos do better in an synthomorph than in raw cyber environments. At least they get some stimuli they normally are exposed to in it. Also we can work on it being sustainableish later. For now we gotta work with what we have. Also do people ever rent there bodies out for cash in this universe because I could see such being a thing and being really creepy.
>>38095853>Also do people ever rent there bodies out for cash in this universe because I could see such being a thing and being really creepy.Yeah. Most places where that is possible accept re-sleeving as a possible and potentially common thing, so it's not that creepy. It's entirely possible it's not your birth body, and if you do long distance travel the quick way, you probably do a decent amount of body hopping. Sadly, there are far too many of us to egocast to a friendly port and sleeve on-site.
>>38095376Pods are definitionally dodgier than synths are (bar those intended for social interaction) pods are highly specialized, poor people morphs that were never originally intended to be run except as an extension of an AI.So I say we scan one of our twenty odd synth basic morphs, then fab them for the poor suckers stuck I. Inadequate cyberspace stored in our local servers.
>>38096075Also the network for doing so is in shambles. Won't be fully operational for another decade or so. Full EP is about 80 years post fall right? We're two years?
>>38096138Oh no, Eclipse Phase is set around 10 years after the Fall, by default. We're about 8 months AF I think? "The Fall" itself was really a series of conflicts which lasted a couple of years culminating in the technoapocalypse. But yes, that would require a Neutrino or Quantum farcasting rig, neither of which we have, and we'd have to know exactly who to call out in space, which, since we do not have a local version of the internet (just a Space LAN) is probably going to be hard. We're basically in the space equivalent of a jumbo jet, which is part of why we need materials and partners.
>>38096239Still think we need to convoy, and maybe find a friggin bulked but mostly intact ship.
>>38096254If we can find a bulk transport and make it work, that'd be great. We'd have enough space for our Desktop CMs to build more CMs so we can fab while we fab.
>>38096075>Sadly, there are far too many of us to egocast to a friendly port and sleeve on-site.That's not, strictly speaking, impossible. If you built up assets here, you could egocast to, say, Mars, by selling your vehicle, bodies, and manufacturing gear, and then buy replacements on site. You'd probably be a little worse off in terms of raw capability, but you'd have access to the markets and resources of Mars, which wasn't wrecked nearly as badly as Earth.
>>38096415Fuck that. Belt or Bust.Or we blow up the Jovians home and take that station over... If we're being ambitious.
>>38096386Well I say we strip the ten star, sell the location and rights to salvage too KRS and then ask for leads on bulked ships we can patch up and get running...
>>38096415I'm not sure we'd fit in with the Sufis. Maybe the Makers. As fun as turning this into a Space Western might be, I don't think Mars offers the same ease in economic prospects as a good scav the Orbital then burn out does. Unless we have a handful of crazy bastards with the right skillset to Run the Zone. And going to what is shaping up to be corp-town prime might put a dent in our democratic, equal-opportunity ideals. And I'd hate to be one of those stories the Barsoomians are telling in about 9-10 years about the corps burning us our of our homes for running an illegal morph shop in the back of the hydroponics dome.We couldn't easily stay and expand, and our 300 is a drop in the bucket compared to the 4 million who live on Mars now (say nothing of how Mars' total population will be 200 million in a few years). And I don't think we're likely to make as much bank or find as many opportunities shoveling martian dirt. But that's just my two creds. It is a democracy.
>>38096415>>38096550Hell, if we're gonna pick a place to live to farcast to, we'd probably be better off beaming out to Venus, try to build up a big enough following to construct our own Aerostat. Gerlach is full of refus right now, we'd blend right in. And when Morningstar breaks away from the planetary consortium in a few years, we'd fit right in!
>>38096550Agreed. Belt or Bust!
>>38096415I don't think trusting any kind of cash-based economic system is safe right now. We could sell everything, egocast, and find ourselves with substantially less resources. And Mars doesn't sound safe; what kind of known TITAN threats are active on the red planet?>>38096474I think the Belt is a good destination. Following up on the idea of a Long March, I'd rather keep our egos safe in one place (a convoy) and get there slowly than risk a quick trip.EclipseCM, how long have we been working? In what kind of shifts? All this work and danger is super-stressful, and I propose we establish some release valves. Games, music, dedicated sleep and rest periods. With the AR network, we can set up someone as the daily DJ, play out four-person word games, nothing too time-intensive, but still fun. And we have to monitor each other's fatigue, physical and mental. If we're going to be working in a consensus structure, we need to have everyone calm and friendly with each other. Stressed and rushed decisions make for bigger mistakes. On top of that, we need to consider how we're using the interior of the ship. How much of the allotted cornucopia energy are we using on building hydroponic systems? If we're not in trouble with food, we should be using some time to make sure that condition continues. Also, working with plants could be therapeutic for those jarred or uncomfortable in synth morphs (I hope).
>>38097095And if we have some fish stock, aquaponics would be even better. I don't know how available our engineering pool is, but I think it's worth some of their time.
>>38097095>And Mars doesn't sound safe; what kind of known TITAN threats are active on the red planet?Well, I'm glad you asked. Since Earth has been cordoned off, there should now be the Titan Quarantine Zone on Mars. It's a big triangular slice of Mars which contains one of the former martian cities (The Arabic colony, Qurain) and the most populace areas for terraforming settlers. It's filled with all the same stuff we've heard the horror stories of on Earth. Hunter-Killer UAVs, warbots, self-replicating nanoswarms and active biochem agents, and weirder shit.
>>38097144We might not have the space... Though I bet we can strap and the parts from the ten star to our vessel?
>>38097255Don't forget the shit that gives psi powers but also drives you mad from being able to see dimensions of space and time man was never intended too!
>>38097144>aquaponicsYou'd go far on Ceres son.Unfortunately, we're probably on survival ration bricks, because while we have Makers for biomass stuff, that just means we're probably recycling a lot of raw organics to replace from what we spend.
>>38097336Psi powers are definitely a boogyman story, and definitely are not a real thing that happens.
>>38097345Might also be fabbing shit from non organics. Building artifical protein chains isn't hard. Just tastes worse than Cardboard shit.
>>38097345Little stuff like good food will give us a headstart when it comes to keeping people engaged and hopeful. Focusing on small goals while we work on bigger ones. And when we trade and meet new people, having a friendly meal ready will help with negotiations and easing tensions. Eating ration bricks is a recipe for frustration.
>>38097393Tell that to my old Infolife character who lost his really high end spider-bot morph to the girl who could crush shit with her fucking brain then...Cause obviously it was all a misunderstanding and she just had a really big magnet that could effect carbon fullrene...
>>38097539WEATHER BALLOON FILLED WITH ANARCHIST HALLUCINOGEN SWAMP GAS IN A COMMUNIST PLOT
>>38097506Good point. But real food is probably even harder to get than fuel right now. Earth was the breadbasket of the system...
>>38097578That is... wait. That is actually totally a thing that could happen.
>>38097602Probably true. What do we have on hand (dirt, seed, growing space/systems), what are we set up to produce easily (ration bricks indefinitely?), and what kind of effort/resources would we need to set up full food systems?
>>38097643We'd need op to answer that... But chances are we have nothing we'd need to do it, and we'd need fucktons of resources to trade for that stuff now that it's mostly inaccessible... The seeds, soil, and space within distance of the sun.
>>38097699>space within distance of the sunWe can rig some growlamps. However, we still would need a lot of space. Agri took a lot of square footage on Earth, and square footage is not something we have in abundance in space. Meat's easier, people have been growing it in cloning vats for years. If we can get the right rig to start growing morphs, we can probably clone some flora or fauna cultures from stock too, and Luna would be the best place to do it (Luna's major cities are famous for their large amounts of greenspace). Luckily we don't need regular soil, we can grow a variety of things hydroponically, like the do on Mars. Still, space, space, space. Right now it'd be like trying to start your community gardening corner in the back of a fully loaded 747. >>38097643>ration bricks indefinitely?We have good fabrication, so we can recycle ration bricks probably forever, and with the right base might be able to make it resemble "food". Anything we have past that could literally be worth it's weight in gold. But you're right, people are gonna get tired of vat burgers with milk protein slabs on a bun.
>>38097095>musicSomeone puts up a popular music vid on the AR mesh while third shift is in the cafeteria/common space. Laughter and tears from the crowd as they remember dancing to the pop hit, and mourn the landmarks and people featured in the vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUslXuCNRi0
Meanwhile, in an alternate universe...The combat skillsoft in Teng's head felt alien. Feverish. An intruder squatting on her brainstem. The suggestions/commands it sent occupied that awkward space between thought and instinct; not fast and sure enough to be instinct, not explicit enough to be thought. Deeply uncomfortable. She didn't know who had designed the skillsoft, but the most likely culprits were anarchist terrorists just before the fall, part of the open-sourced revolution, or some national military during the Fall, trying to give as many people as possible as many tools to survive as possible. Neither had been much concerned with comfort. Only with the killing. That awkwardness will get me killed, she had thought. Skillsofts were more like having a textbook speaking directly into your brain than actually knowing something. Compared to the people- flats and splicers, spilling their organs into the void in front of her, armed only with AKs, pipe bombs, and enthusiasm, corpses still anchored to the spin section by their boots, being continually splattered as the spin spun them through arcs of their own gore- she was a special forces commando. Probably got all their ideas about combat from Bollywood, the skillsoft thought, with a bitter, contemptuous edge. Sometimes, it felt more like a person than software. A fork, beta or gamma, ripped from the head of some decorated soldier. She wondered if he was still alive. She wondered if he could be resurrected from his skillsofts. It was better than wondering how many of those flats had stacks. Better than wondering if any of her friends were dead for good; the Carolina Days had gotten its hands on some terrifying warware from somewhere, and she hadn't heard from the ship in an hour. Someone was still fighting- she could see the muzzle flashes- but that was just as likely to be the Carolina Days ripping itself apart.
>>38097954Probably deliberately opened an isolated processing node to infection, the skillsoft thought. Collected all the warware bouncing around in the Fall, pitted them against each other, incubated them, cultured them. Like political prisoners and bioweapons. Teng didn't really like her skillsoft."-eng. Co- -n Te-. Teng, do you copy. Come in, Teng." "Teng here, I copy. What's the situation?""We've finally got the bugs cleared out. What's your position? Triangulation is still down." "Fourth spin ring, second module- the hydroponics one. Hevia and Kats are dead, but I've got their stacks. I'm in a good position- clear fields of fire and they don't dare use the heavy stuff since they'd hit their own hydroponics- but it can't be long before they get their act together."Part of the ship's hull suddenly rippled, went down; a flex-screen, concealing a group of grenadiers while they got into position. Flechette grenades punched into the module, exploded; the flechettes were small enough for the sealant layer to prevent atmosphere loss. Sharp enough to shred flesh and light armor, but not heavy enough to punch through equipment. It was too bad for them that she had vacated that perch twenty minutes ago. She anchored herself, Vacuum Pod's feet easily gripping the metal hull, and sprayed fire at the grenadiers. However, whoever the skillsoft template had been, he was a ground combatant; he got shaken when the spin entered play. Her vac-worker skillsoft (and genuine skill) and smart sight helped fill the gap, but she wasn't sure No matter. Next rotation. Then she saw the other prong of the assault; half a dozen militia, launching themselves behind a heavy armored umbrella. Too heavy for her to penetrate; they were moving slowly, so she still had a couple of minutes, but soon she would be outflanked, pinned between the grenadiers and the boat. And then she would be dead.
>>38097974"Never mind, their act just got together.""Can you jump?""My MMU ate it early on; my path would be pure ballistic." "Right. Give us a second."The rotation continued; the grenadiers came back into sight again. Teng sighted, fired a long burst- pod muscles and motors easily keeping the gun steady- waited a few seconds for them to start poking their heads back out, fired again. Relocate just ahead of the answering grenades. And of course the people in the assault boat thing choose that moment to start poking their guns around the edge and start shooting-And a solid shell from the Phoenix's main gun slammed into the tension spar, slicing through it cleanly and sending the hydroponics module sailing into space at 10m/s. "One escape, courtesy of Phoenix gunnery command."Teng relaxed, allowing herself to float. Now that the hydroponics module isn't part of the ship anymore they've got no reason to hold back on the heavy stuff, the skillsoft whispered, just before the first round came in. It impacted on the edge, sending the severed module spinning. The Earth slid across her field of vision, gangrenous brown marble, almost physically painful to behold. Then it slid away, replaced by the Carolina Day, scarred with burst modules and puncture wounds, trailing air water oil blood. Dead world, dying ship. Dead world, dying ship. Dead world, dying ship. Teng almost saw the rocket that killed her.
>>38098000Also: we should make 'Space Shuttle Door Gunner' unit patches for out militia.
>>38097857We should hollow out some asteroids, put big glow lamps and do some fungal growth maybe? We can also make our own soil with enough effort. It's just endless amounts of dead plants, flesh, crap, and bacteria. It's basically just really old compost...
>>38098067We could probably buy precursor materials from Titan once we're established enough to actually buy things instead of bartering for them. They're the biggest source of organic material in the system, after all.
>>38098067Fungus might be a great investment, but I don't think soil production is that easy. Pedogenesis requires a lot of specific minerals, organisms, and conditions. OP, what kind of asteroids do we have within reach?
>>38098134We have minimal fuel and are in Earth orbit. There are no asteroids within reach, although if we're very lucky we might find some sort of bio-dome.
>>38098031Not a bad idea.
>>38098067Yeah, we'll probably build a beehive or a dome hab, or a combination of both. We could maybe make a Cole Bubble, though. We'd have artificial gravity if we wanted, and enough space to hold a few million people if it was big enough. Even if we want to pick an M-type to live on/in, we could probably get the materials we need from a C-type asteroid. Personally, since very few asteroids are canonically settled, I figured we should aim to maybe claim something big, like 10 Hygeia or 24 Themis. C-types should contain a good amount of metals, carbon and silicate, and volatiles we can use.
>>38098134Our goal is to do thus once we hit the belt. Also, if we get to effect things with good write faggotry... Could I write something about us finding an emp hulked ship and have that be canon? Not recover it, just find it nearby our current location?
>>38098308Sounds good. What about the big three dwarf planets in the belt?
>>38098308For those not familiarA Beehive is much like what it sounds like, a series of tunnels which are dug out in an asteroid or other planetesimals, and then pressurized. Works great in hand with mining or survey efforts, since this synergizes your workload, and they can hold anywhere from a dozen people to millions (as on 44 Nysa, aka Extropia). A Dome is also pretty self explanatory, and the standard structure for the Lunar, Martian and Titanian colonies. You build or inflate a pressure dome over an area, and build whatever structures required underneath.A Cole Bubble would require a lot of work, but maybe the most reward. You basically cover a metallic astroid with an inflated shell set to your desired size, and basically boil the asteroid until it coats the shell's inner surface, building a hollow sphere. All the other spare mass is then converted to be used in interior structures. You can then rotate a Cole bubble to simulate gravity and live on the interior surface, or leave it in micrograv. >>380984671 Ceres and 2 Pallas have already been settled. Not that we'd know but they're also backed by criminal enterprises, which might complicate things. 4 Vesta is also host to several independent mining operations. We could probably get some real estate on any of them, but we'd have to build a dome or beehive and wouldn't have as complete control of the body. That might be something to call for a vote once we've started gathering a convoy, if the group would prefer to pick an asteroid which already has transhumans on it, or stake our own claim.
We currently have 300 people.We should take the mass of 10* and the willing people of Carolina Day. Carolina Day will increase our people's capacity by 33 times. That's 33 times the general economic efficiency.And room to stretch out our legs.
Quick recap from what I've read so far:>.66 AF>214 crew on 150 person ship in high Earth orbit>solid fab setup but nothing fancy>cyberdemocracy-decision setup>few engineers, some academics, Singapore/Chinese background>majority synth/pod morphs>want to get away from Earth, current plan to salvage and trade to build capabilities>stripping a damaged torus>in contact range of anarcho-pirates, salvage hypercorp post, UN survey ship, biocon habitat with killsats, refugee transport with 10K folkThere seems to be some consensus that we work on forming a convoy and heading to the Belt. None of the other nearby communities seem like perfect allies, but I'd say explicitly recruiting on the refugee transport (Caroline Day), or trying to contact individual pods might help. Also, I say we spend all of our LLA, since we don't intend to stick around.
>>38098845We could probably invest it, along with the Earth-bucks we have (LLA's most likely to put a non-zero value on it). Luna has strong banking ties, and we could easily get access to the money once we're in the belt via Extropia. Or we could hold on to it and invest in an Extropian bank (maybe a nice mutualist one). But if we find something to spend it on then yeah, we should probably dump it. Internally we probably won't be trading in Inner System Credits anytime soon. Once we have an internal economy besides "everything goes into the pile and comes back out as we need it" we can decide if we're going to be full reputation or transitional. I'd argue against not being willing to accept cash in various forms as an entity, though, that shit'll go as far as anything in the Belt.
>>38098944We can achieve a higher rate of return by buying productive capital and being a productive society directly. We're gambling all our lives on finding something useful to do out there, there is no option b.We should maintain social control of external finance and an internal new economy.
>>38098845Agreed on spending all of our LLA, and I think we try to get the UN ship to be a part of the convoy. They'd be enormously helpful in the Belt.Also, I think we should start leaning towards being Ultimates.Focusing on as powerful and good a body for our collective members as possible. Choices given to all, but I really, REALLY like the idea of once we're past just 'base survival' we go full Qin Dynasty on this shit and unite humanity under one banner.Then we do what Emperor Cannon Weathers did in Starseige. We hunt the Cybrids- I mean TITANs.
>>38100767>I Have a Dream.>I Dream of an Empire Unending.>I Dream of Transhumanity united behind a single purpose. To spread throughout a galaxy that wishes us dead.>Our enemies stole billions of our fellow Transhumans, locked their souls into iron cages and ran.>We shall not stand for this.>Extinction's Jaws have opened and would see us devoured.>We shall not allow it.>We shall unite. One people. One Purpose. Transhumanity. From Humans, to Uplifts, to Infolife and all who would join under our banner.>We shall step forward beyond the Breaker Gates.>We shall launch our ships into the stars.>We shall break Einstein's Cage.>We shall hunt the TITANs and damn them to Tartarus as the gods of old earth once did.>We shall liberate our enslaved brothers and sisters!>None shall stand before United Transhumanity of Sol. Not the TITANs, not the Luddites, not any force in this system or any other.>RAISE YOUR WEAPONS TO THE HEAVENS AND CRY BROTHERS AND SISTERS!>FOR ON THIS DAY! THE LAST MEGACORP SHALL FALL AND WE SHALL FINALLY BE A UNITED FORCE READY TO TAKE TO THE STARS IN FULL! NONE SHALL STAND BEFORE OUR GLORIOUS DREAM!
>>38100847I could see this.We start out in the Belt, begin organizing it SERIOUSLY. Offering serious protection and manufacturing capabilities to the mining clans as long as they pay us. We start claiming asteroid cluster after cluster. We hunt down any pirates that fuck with us. We sign up the Ultimate Factions with us, maybe get Firewall on board officially with us.Once we have a power base to rival a megacorp? We start to secure our control over the area. Then we go after Jupiter. First strike, no warning. We fuck over the Bioconservatives in one massive strike. Then we make it clear that we're taking control of Jupiter Orbit. We begin to push out from there.Once the disorganized outer system points of control are secure and united under one giant cyber democracy. We bring the hammer down on the Inner systems. First thing to go? Mars, obviously. Biggest threat probably. Further, it brings a major point to us. We're going to take the Zone and we're going to do to it what should have been done the moment the war ended. We're going to cleanse it.Then we move in. Step by step. Then we proceed to take the exoplanet colonies.Once Sol is locked down. Time to reclaim earth. The chance of there being dormant TITANs or a breaker gate there is too huge.And then? Then we hunt.Obviously this is all incredibly long term planning. First we gotta get out of here, then we gotta convince the collective this is the right idea.
>>38100947Military should be well trained focus on Synth bodies... all created with those quantum entanglement stacks that upload the moment critical damage has been taken.You're uploaded to a mobile factory, reinserted into the fight. Fabber/Collector vehicles sweep the battlefield afterwards, collecting parts for reassembly.Taking and holding both Jupiter and Saturn will be critical for any invasion of the inner systems though.
>>38100767>>38100847>>38100947>>38101046We're getting way the fuck ahead of ourselves here.Let's figure out our own production efforts right now.Our end goal might be unity for the system, and everyone being able to have morphological freedom. But for the moment? We need to survive and get away from Earth. We should focus on salvage efforts, expanding our own ship and building up a significant convoy of vessels. We can easily attract a good following of ships if they agree to trade out crews and we spread our own people throughout the ships that join our convoy.From there we join them into the cyber democracy.We should focus on ships that need fabber repairs, the ones who are vulnerable and NEED us more than we need them (or at least believe such). Our ability to fab ship parts is huge in this situation. We could very easily convince many ships only barely operating to join us and agree to whatever terms we say (including breaking up their crews and swapping out our own people for theirs to insure loyalty) in return for making sure their ships function better and better.So when we go hunting for convoy partners, we want to look for those in bad straights, who NEED our help to repair their ships, and will agree to outrageous terms that allow us to more easily subsume them into our own collective.We also really need to consider fabbing up some combat synths for boarding actions and construction.
>>38101126Also we need to consider what ships we need.We definitely want a tender if we can grab one. It'll help with repairing other ships and will also help with salvage efforts.That survey ship would be enormously helpful for refining raw materials as well as sensor systems.We need a full mining vessel as well eventually, but we might be able to buy one of those if we pull this off well enough before we break for the Belt.Another two ships we might consider would be a Pure Synth ship. Something that would act as a carrier for talons as well as a full storage server for our egos when on the grid, a ship OPTIMIZED for such. Hell, we might be able to scratch build such a ship since it'd need exactly 0 life support systems.Also a "Live Ship" for hydroponics and other food needs possible.
>>38101250Nah, we're CHINESE INDUSTRY now.Great manufacturing, good software, not so good resources, shitty morphs.Though I think on some level we'd have been better off swapping morphs and resources... but that's just me.
>>38098944I think we should bank money only after we've secured a reliable set of goods and equipment for the convoy. If and when we get to the Belt, we could use that remainder to set up some initial contracts or parse out enough goodwill to bank some rep.>>38100767Do we recruit as an entire group, or find members of the crew more likely to sway particular targets? Does anyone on the ship have past ties with the UN? Hearing some of the refugee transmissions from the Caroline Day, do we see any affinity groups that overlap with ours? Basically, are there people we have established common ground with?>>38101165Once we have the info above, and have done some personal one-on-one recruiting, we should put out public postings for the specialized ships and trained personnel that we're looking for. Under the banner of [Enlightenment, Equality, emphasizing minimum morph quality, and allowing for Prosperity], we should be hitting the local meshes with a simple message.>"LET'S GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, BUT LET'S NOT TRAMPLE OR KILL EACH OTHER IN THE PROCESS. THE BELT IS A RELATIVELY SAFE DESTINATION. JOIN US."
>>38101165While OP has explicitly stated that our yen and dollars have no real value, we need to bring them around to sell for their nostalgic/archaeological/historical value. A hundred-dollar bill may not be worth $100 in goods or services, but the cotton paper artifact will have artistic/sentimental value to a lot of collectors. The treasury certificates in particular will be fairly rare. Worst case scenario, we can sew together a bunch of bills as folk art, give out sans cost for the rep.We need to be using every part of the buffalo.
>>38105544http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/38049057/http://pastebin.com/RpmR5mqeArchives up. Due to well done (if non-canonical, due to lack of raiders) by >>38097954 , excellent old-timey rocket warship art, and a Peter Watts reference pic the name Phoenix has been assigned to your LLOTV (there are approximately eleven vehicles named as such in the solar system, but really, no one is counting). >>38098031Yes. Also nice picture. *Yoinks* . Expect new thread in ~4 hours. See you then, /tg/ .
Man, our plans are getting so far ahead of ourselves it stopped being funny then got funny again.
>>38108189Welcome to the post-death world. Assuming we don't explode horribly or get taken over by gray goo, we could all live for ever. So the long term is considered. Plus, there's like, 10 years more to the timeline of fluff this is based on. Not metagaming is hard when there are some really bad pitfalls we could take, like saying "I know, let's go live on that place called 'Legba', there's lots of other refugees there!"
>>38108280pretty much.Anyway, when's the next game? 2:00pm cst?
>>38110374Hope so. I want to see what this new skill system the OP came up with is.
>>38110744You're unfortunately going to have to keep waiting, because I'm lazy and what I had wouldn't make sense for the situation you're in. Also new thread. >>38110830