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Playtest is currently ongoing.

There's a big list of villains that still needs to be statted, and plenty of fluff to be written still! What's on the chopping block first?

>>36610296

Kings, I'd say

Anybody still got that list about kinds still-to-be-statted?

>>36610324
Grimhilde the Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom
Queen La of the Leopard Kingdom
Empress Yzma of the Sunless Empire
Pontifex Immortalis Frollo of the Grand Archdiocese
Tzekel-Kan of El Dorado
General Santa Anna of the Empire of Mexico
Imperial President Lyle Tiberius Rourke of the Imperial Republic of Atlantis
The Huntsmen of the Elite Global Huntsman Club (Muntz, Gaston, McLeach, Buldeo, Amos Slade, King Fergus)
Chairman Cutler Beckett of the East India Trading Co.
King Louis of the Kingdom of the Red Flower
Bagheera, Lord of the Free Creatures (done?)
King Ratigan of the Under-Empire

>>36610545

What should I give Grimhilde and Frollo, exactly?

I'm planning on giving frollo an immunity to mostly dangerous stuff like fire and have hiim walk around with a fuckload of Holy fire, so he can just burst everything into flames without harming himself, but aside that....I'm not sure.

Grimhilde is an alchemist, clearly, but not much else

Grimhilde is gonna be a Charm/Sensibility/Intelligence King, while Frollo is probably gonna get dumped in a lot of stats. He can't really charm people while being a skeleton, even if he does wear a mask, but he probably has some god-tier intelligence

>>36610599
Frollo should be especially charming. The dude managed to keep his position as pope after becoming a skeleton. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to convince people to go along with that?

>>36610812

It probably had a lot to do with claiming the word of God, too

What if he keeps his charm score high but needs to conceal his bone-y identity with a mask and long robes and gloves? If the party can unmask him for all to see he could take a huge penalty

>>36610599
>>36610812
Frollo is Charm and Intellect. Maybe a tad bit of sensitivity. Awful robustness, okay agility.

Hey, guy who started all those Old West villains here. Heard Nob needed some Atlanteans next, so here we go:

Atlantean Hit Squad
Villains/Inner Circle

Helen Sinclair
Robustness: 8
Agility: 12
Intelligence: 10
Sensibility: 8
Charm: 10
Will: 3
Strikes: 4+2X where X is the number of players in the party.
Skills:
Prevent Harm: 5
Ranged: 6
Melee: 6
Brawl: 6
Endure: 5
Deceit: 5
Acrobatics: 5
Stealth: 5

Traits:
Villain: This unit is a villain. It gains +2 to Prevent Harm and Endure rolls.
Military Honor: This villain is loyal to the fault. +2 to any rolls made to fulfill orders or resist attempts to turn her against her leader.
Combo: If your agility is greater then your opponents by 5 or more you may make a second attack this round
Powers:
Kung-fu fighter: This character may use Agility in place of robustness for 2 rolls per round. This character may use a will point to use their Agility in place of any other trait for a roll this round.
Femme Fatale: Use a will point and make an opposed roll of charm vs. an opponents sensibility. If this attack succeeds, gain +3 on all future attacks against that character. This opposed roll is at +3 if the opponent is a male.
Equipment:
Atlantans Flare Gun: +3 ranged. First opponent hit by this weapon has -2 to all rolls for 2 rounds
Atlantean Crystal: May be used to heal 2 physical strikes once per scene.

>>36611170
So wait, is this a Villain or Inner Circle enemy?

>>36611311
From my understanding, Villains are at on-a-roll tier while Inner Circle are zero tier. These are zero tier enemies, I've just be calling them villains because that's what they're being used as.

>>36611350
Alright.

I have just watched big hero six.
Modern/ future splat has to come SOON. The first thing on the block of expansions.

FIRST SESSION OF THE CAMPAIGN OFFICIALLY OVER.

All-new characters, all-new humor, all-new conflicts.

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What a doozy. Charm characters are REALLY good at clearing mooks, it turns out.

Also, inter-party conflict may need a resolution somehow.

>>36612858
>party conflict may need a resolution
Naaaaw. Hilariously played out conflict is super disney. Just make sure that bearman doesn't scratch the party not-naveen and you're golden.

>>36613003
Come to think of it, Nicholas is pretty similar to pre-Tiana Naveen without a banjo.

Oh god why can't I stop making Disney Princes?

>>36613040
>>36613003
Also Flyn Ryder.But hes not really a prince.

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>>36613040
>>36613003
>>36613078
>>36612858
Oh, don't make a fuss. Nick just needs to find his Tiana, and then the party will be stable.

NOB, GIVE BANDIT CAMP BEAUTIFUL BUT SENSIBLE/INTELLIGENT MAID/COOK FOR US TO RESCUE. BORIS WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS BULLSHIT.

>>36613695
Hope his Tiana is really, really good at traveling and is okay with nearly dying all the time, because you guys are gonna be on the move a lot.

>>36614191
Hey man, there's a physical hell and people have historically dragged others out of it.

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>>36613695
Wait a minute.....I posted a pic of who is possibly the least sensible/intelligent maid/cook ever known to fiction....

>>36614602
>posting a sensible/intelligent maid in a Disney thread
>not picking Mary Poppins
You done goofed up, Knightfag.

>>36613695
>>36614191
I think all that needs to happen is for him to grow up a bit. He's a very immature character, literally a thrill-chasing teen, and once he sees the darkness in the world, he'll probably be bit more mature. If he accidentally kills a man or something, he'll stop being such a happy-go-lucky dick. Or he'll just reveal himself as a sociopath, which could happen. Yay character growth!

FUCK YOU KNIGHT AND YOUR VOTE
ill use whtvr formit i want wanka
fite me irl bich
ill bash yur fukin hed in

Name: The Headless Horseman
Role: Villain/Strong & Nimble Guy
Class: Warrior Guy Who Has No Mouth and Must Scream
Size: Medium
Species: Undead/???

---Attributes---
Robustness: 15/14 (+1 when on horse)
Agility: 12/14 (+6 when on horse.)
Intelligence: 10/14
Sensibility: 10/14
Charm: 8/14
Will: 4/4
Strikes: 7+X2, where X is the number of party members.

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 5
Athletics: 6 + 1 from role.
Melee: 7 + 2 from Weapon.
Ranged: 7
Intimidate: 7
Travel: 9
Prevent Harm: 6 + 6 from Villain trait, Armor, and role.
Endure: 6 + 2 from Villain trait.
Occult

---Traits---
-Villain
This unit is a Villain. It gets +2 to Prevent Harm and Endurance.
-Undead
Unit is not affected by poisons, music (Unless it's xylophone or really, really, good music.), semi-intense climate change, and medical sciences.
-CHAAAAARGE!
+2 to Melee when charging into combat.
-Can’t Reason With A Headless Man
Unit is immune to all Social attacks based on Persuasion.
-Out-Of-Date Textbook Style
If a PC knows of the Horseman's past, they get a +3 to combat rolls against him. However, finding out this info is at least a TN30, and can go all the way up to TN40.

Powers, equips, and Horsey stats in a bit

>>36614602
Who is that anyway

>>36614710
>implying he'll give a single fuck
He's gonna keep being an immature dick unless someone seriously changes him in true Disney fashion.
Namely friendship and/or love.

>>36614768
---Powers---
-Pumpkin Head (Unique!)
For one Will point, the Horseman can summon and throw a flaming Pumpkin at his foes. Pumpkins are treated as a normal Agility/Robustness+Ranged attack, that causes Burning and has an AoE of 10m. Also grants a +3 modifier to Ranged when throwing the Pumpkin. The Horseman can alo use occult to boost the damage and AoE to 25m, but can't throw Pumpkins on his next turn and following actions.
-Nightmare Tamer (Unique!)
The Horseman is the ONLY one who can control his horse. Any other units, even with the Ride Em'! power, cannot ride the Night-Mare. The Horseman can also summon Night-Mare wherever he is.
-Unconquerable + Swept Away
The Horseman revives after he is defeated, unless defeated in or above running water. Power is nulled after its first use.

---Equipment---
-(Great) Longsword: A Longsword of great quality. One-Handed, grants +2 to Melee.
-Light Plate Armor: Medium weight. Grants +2 to Prevent Harm.
-Mr. Horsey/Knight-Mare: Stats posted in a bit. Grants +6 to Agility and +1 to Robustness when equiped.

>>36614795
Or they could totally just ditch him somewhere
Like in the middle of the desert

>>36614850

>Power is nulled after its first use.

Does that mean until the first time he is defeated over/in running water, or does taht mean that he gets only one ressurection?

>>36614850
>implying you can leave behind the party charming rogue

>>36614895

>Implying he won't be found by another party

>Implying that won't be his backstory, left behind because he was 2cool4school

>Implying that doesn't mean that the second party is the one that is actually stuck with him

Do you even disney

>>36614850
OH WAIT
I forgot his last power, the combo one.

-CHOO CHOO (Combination Attack)
For two Wll points from both Knight-Mare and the Headless Horseman, the Horseman rides his horse at its fullest to hit a unit. Both KM and HH roll combat rolls against this unit. HH roll is Robustness+Agility+Melee, KM roll is Robustness+Agility+Brawl. Causes Stun and Burning. Can only be used once. Can be only be used when at least 30m from target.

>>36614888
>does taht mean that he gets only one ressurection?
Yes

>>36614694
She's a nanny, not a maid.

>>36614795
Or kills him in his sleep for being an immature dick and fucking things up in a way that has real consequences.

Also, saying "because Disney" only justifies so much. Playing consistently X Stupid characters makes it less fun for everyone else, so please let him grow. Also, if he accidentally kills an innocent man and doesn't give a single fuck, then he is a complete Chaotic Stupid character with leanings toward Chaotic Evil, and you can't justify him by saying that he is good at heart.

>>36614895
Totally can. He's not the party face, and his only skill that nobody else is trained in is Legerdemain, which isn't incredibly vital compared to say, Occult. We would just have a new character rolled in, preferably one who isn't a dick. This is assuming that Nick did something awful, like caused the death of a different party member by leaping out and confronting the BBEG when we were totally unable to fight him.

>>36615030
Holy fuck, you really hate fun. And the Disney Spirit, apparently. Are you sure this is the right system for you?

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>>36615030
>mfw everyone is having lighthearted discussion about a character and suddenly Ponderous jumps in with nofunallowed and d&dshit

it's disney dude
chill the fuck out

>>36615030
>Or kills him in his sleep for being an immature dick and fucking things up in a way that has real consequences.
Holy shit dude, this is Disney. That'd never happen.

>>36615030
y u haff be mad?
ess only game

>>36615048
No, I don't hate fun, I just know that certain characters are no fun to play with if they don't grow, and playing your character as someone who really doesn't work with others without being VERY careful about it is fine if you are the star of your own movie, but not so well if you are in a party with four other people who all also want to have fun. Also, that was literally for if he got his party partially killed. Being a lighthearted rouge is one thing, causing the death of a party member is another.

>>36615192
It's y u heff to be mad. This was a theoretical nuclear option for ultimate That Guy-ness, which Nick is nowhere near.

>>36615147
Sorry, reading 40k shit and this at the same time. Bad idea.

>>36615030
>>36615196

Sooooo you're discussing another character of a player known to be DISNEY AS FUCK hypothetically possibly maybe doing something super girmderp and anti-Disney, while totally going against the established character of the person in question AND his character, as justification for why it's a shit character and should be murdered in his sleep like you're playing 40k?

Jesus christ man, it's fucking Disney. Wow. Maybe Nob should have put Klah in instead.

>>36615232
>ultimate that-guy ness
>a chaotic good rogue who likes doing good things because it's fun
>of a player established as solidly not that guy at all

literally what

>>36615257
That's fucking harsh. Also, Nick jumping out and trying to challenge Slim to single combat was an example of something that fits the character of a thrillseeker, but would be a terrible decision game-wise that would likely result in a TPK.

>>36615291
Literally said that he was not that guy. It was the thing right after the thing you quoted. Literally the next five words.

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>Fifty threads
We did it guys! I'm so proud! To celebrate, a new DTP, finally out of the wringer!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ONQ38zlRwgmM90MMkENcmSZhsIhN4r1O0KqxdQn3GKs/edit

>>36615364
>a TPK
>attacking six mooks
>for a five-man party

you are getting more retarded by the second
time to go to sleep and ponder why everything you have said in the last hour was utterly retarded

>>36615370
Holy shit, you're right! I hadn't even noticed.

>>36615370
Thanks.
Also, I didn't get the idea for the Slim story from your DTPs, just thought it would be the best way for him to promote gambling and be magnanimous about it.

>>36615395
A TPK attacking Slim, not mooks. Please read what I post before calling me retarded.

>>36611970
well off the top of my head there are three potential spinoffs to be possibly done in the future, once the core book is truly finished;

1. Non-Disney expansion: to cover other works from non Disney companies that would be fitting in this world, such as Anastasia, Swan Princess, or Little Nemo in Slumberland to give a couple examples(considering El Dorado is Dreamworks this is a kinda obvious expansion)

2. Modern/Future: to cover various Disney properties that are set after the first half of the 20th Century, including much of Pixar's output and quite a few of Disney's TV output as well

3. Toon World: while Doomtown has technically been removed from the setting this supplement would bring it back and use it as a way to access the Home World of the Toons, both for potential adventure possibilities and to recruit help in your quest to take down the evils of the regular world

although there could be other potential expansions I'm forgetting about that could be included as well

>>36615443
You're forgetting the Far Future one, with Treasure Planet and possibly a bit of Star Wars, and No Rest For The Wicked, which allows players to be a minor band of villains trying to stake out their own misdeeds and accidentally save the world in the process.

>>36615410
Suuuuure I believe you

>>36615443
Don't forget the "fuckload of options" splat that someone mentioned, which would just include much more granularity in character design and maybe more things for creating your own races/traits/powers/magic items

Also, the magic splat

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>>36615472
I'm glad you do. I never read through the DTPs due to being a chronic procrastinator.

>>36615432
Discussing hypothetical (And extremely unlikely ones on top of that) options far in advance of their completion as proof of why a character is bad IS retarded. Not to mention trying to define what a character should be for the player himself, deciding that a reasonable course of action would be to fucking murder him (!!!) if he should follow YOUR characterization of him in DISNEY, and deciding that everyone should just act like they're playing D&D because you can't comprehend that not all worlds are built like grimderp shitholes and a lighthearted rogue is in fact actually viable. Honestly, you're starting to sound like a that guy to me.

>>36615443
Also, modern/future will be tricky, as that setting has just a ton of time variation. Wall-E takes place so far after everything else, you'd have to explain some sort of time warp all over again, but it could still work. Also, It would mean that you'd have to stat Toys and Cars both as playable races

>>36615443
I think it's more like

1. Space/Future/Modern expansion
Also can someone tell me what that animated movie about pollution was? I think it had some guy who was pollution itself, and he was sealed in a tree or some shit. It works for this setting but people skip over it.

2. Jhibli expansion

3. No Rest for the Wicked

4. Pixar and Dreamworks expansion, may or may not be just spread out over the other expansions

5.Magic splat

>>36615530
Fuck it, you win, I'm That Guy. I've been hiding it the whole time and really just want to crush every atom of fun out of the known universe by killing everything. Now, can we get back to discussing actual game issues?

>>36615590
Ferngully, Hexxus is the big orgasmic Tim Curry smog demon.

Also, are we just saying that any and all sequels to the original Disney works aren't canon?
It would make sense to do so, just because we split from the timelines at the end of the first movie, generally

>>36615703
Also, it would make things much, much simpler.
Personally, I don't have time to watch the whole Aladdin TV show, and if we just discounted it, things would be much easier

>>36615778
You could just look it up
Like the thief guy from the third Aladdin movie can be used as a powerful Villain ad ally of Jafar

>>36615468
well I figured supplement 2 would cover that as well as the more modern stuff, also one idea that got talked about for that one was to have Zurg be one of the really big bad guys, possibly with him having gone full Darkseid with that mind control plot he did in the pilot movie for that Buzz Lightyear cartoon

>>36615505
well of course we need a Unearthed Arcana equivalent as well, maybe give it a name alluding to the Disney Vault since that seems pretty appropriate for this sort of thing

>>36615586
considering most of the core setting already involves time getting screwed over so it's not really that big a deal(I figure old Churn Bog's sealing of God basically broke the time-space continuum, which for some reason people in these threads have a hard time grasping), also for the Cars I'd stick them in Toon World actually, or maybe another alternate future, and I'd suggest completely ignoring Toy Story as it's own thing(although maybe have Sheriff Woody show up as a normal human NPC in Alameda Slim's territory and find other places to stick other characters from that franchise in where appropriate)

>>36615590
Hexxus, I suggested long ago that we have him be covering much of Australia in his death smog, and basically be overrun by hideous mutated wildlife, also Ghibli would be part of the Non-Disney supplement

>>36615703
most are, although elements from Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Hercules, and Tarzan's shows(and Aladdin's sequel movies) are canon to this

>>36615778
yeah but there are too many neat things from it and the other shows just to discount them(and we've already integrated some TV show elements into the setting as it is to just throw them out)

>>36615803
Who has time for RESEARCH?

my darkest secret; I haven't watched a disney movie other than mulan in six years

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>a good majority of this thread

>>36615803
>>36615815
Okay, so how about the sequels as being not necessarily canon, but they can be canon if they have good things. So we don't have to worry about contradicting them, but we take what we think would improve the system as a whole.

>>36615825
GASP!

>>36615815
y u no playable action figures?

>>36615825
>hasn't seen WALL-E
>hasn't seen Princess and the Frog
>hasn't seen toy story 3
>hasn't seen Tangled
>hasn't seen FUKKEN RALPH
>hasn't seen Brave
>hasn't seen Frozen

And that's just the good ones from the last six years.

>>36615825
NOB HOW COULD YOU
WE TRUSTED YOU
YOU A SHIT
A SHIT

>>36615893
mostly cause they'd be hard to make useful(also cause using characters in Toy Story in other contexts would be more interesting, not to mention if we have the Buzz Lightyear show be part of the Modern/Future supplement it would really complicate things)

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>>36615894
Wall-E, TS3, and Ralph aren't Disney movies by our definition

>>36615825
How many hours do you have? Prepare for the incoming forced marathon viewing by the entire thread

>>36615825
Just have or be related to a small child
ESPECIALLY a girl
You'll see a shit-ton of Disney movies
Trust me, I know

>>36616000
We do have tiny bugs being very useful, so I don't think usefulness would be a problem

>>36615520
That's just as well, I'm a chronic procrastinator in the writing

>>36616041
I think you just suggested someone have a kid for the purposes of seeing more Disney movies. Not quite sure if that is a good reason to have one, but I can't argue with results

Mechanicles, Mozenrath, and Mirage could be useful characters from the Aladdin series potentially as Villians under Jafar(maybe even Inner-Circle for Mirage and Mozenrath)

>>36616163
Forgot to put a description of them for those unfamiliar.

Mechanicles is a Grecian Inventor with OCD, in the show he wanted to dominate the world by means of the insectoid robots he created.

Mirage was a Bastet looking catperson who was from what I remember just absolutely crazy evil, all she really wanted was to see good get destroyed so pairing her with Jafar works pretty well.

Mozenrath was an asshole sorcerer from the 'Land of Black Sand' he controlled a hoard of undead monsters and murdered his dad who was apparently a fairly big time sorcerer.

>>36616281
don't forget that Mirage is a goddess so she'd be a very potent opponent to fight(indeed in some respects she's more dangerous than Jafar is)

>>36616331
She was? I thought she was just really tricky and powerful and visually based off of Bastet?

>>36616281
They could work. Jafar is kind of starved for decent villains

>>36616355
well I could be wrong

And the night-silence starts to set in.

>>36616946
Better start shitposting
KEYBRADES

>>36617717
MAGIC KEYBLADES FOR MY WIZARD TO USE!

Last thread isn't showing up on the archive

>>36618092
I think I botched the archive somehow. It said it got archived, but it hasn't shown up. How strange.

Villain-statting guy here, how would you people feel about the Wild-West Villains being based on the Four-Horsemen + Pestilence

>>36618625
Isn't Pestilence already one of the horsemen?

AND WE'RE BACK
>>36618642
No
The Four Horsemen are
Conquest
War
Famine
And Death
People substitute Pestilence for Conquest a lot, don't know why.

>>36618847
I prefer pestilence over conquest, despite it not being original. War sorta includes conquest, as a matter of course and pestilence is a pretty good end of days element.

>>36618847
Actual interpretation is hotly debated even today, over the centuries the Rider of the white horse has been identifiead as Conquest, Victory, Strife, Plague and an abstract representation of the anti-christ.

>>36618847
Semantics aside, four horsemen would be a good Wild West-themed villain set.

>>36618889
Cool, I'll get working on them tomorrow
After I finish the Headless Horseman's though
Good night guys

Just got done watching Summer Wars, humanity's pretty fucked if Love Machine won.

bump

to anyone whose out there, this thread is dying, please help me

>>36620652
The lack of continental interest in the project still baffles me.

I have to study for 6 exams over 5 days and can't appear much in this thread until Friday night, so there's been something that's been on my mind I want to throw out there: Once we are done statting the kings and have agreed upon new definitions for sizes, we should compile a list of how to use every skill can be used with every attribute. I believe that it was only 2 threads ago that we determined Stealth could be used with every attribute:
>Robustness: Pick up a piece of scenery and walk behind it as you approach your target. If the piece of scenery is sufficiently large, onlookers will doubt their senses when they see it moving.
>Agility: Typical stealth; don't step on a dry branch, duck behind a corner when someone looks your way, etc.
>Intelligence: Find the path of least disturbance.
>Sensibility: Move incredibly slowly and employ camouflage. Like a crocodile in the water, you might be seen, but you won't be perceived.
>Charm: Blatantly bullshit your way past anyone who sees you.

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>>36620652
>>36620742

I have guests over, give me some time, damn it.

I'll get to statting up Grimhilde later tonight, but it's gonna take four or six hours

>>36621145
Now this could be interesting. Reminds me of the whole "what TN does what" thing we had going early on.

I predict Charm is going to always be the "bullshit your way through this situation" unless it's persuasion or music. Pic related is the face of Charm

>>36621299
we never did finish the example TNs.... I'll see what I can do about that.

>>36621299
Charm is an attribute, persuasion and music are skills. I think you may have it confused with deceit.

>>36621145
For Robustness though, there'd need to, y'know, actually be a piece large enough to pick up and move in the current scene.

>>36621299
I believe Melee+Charm was used to impress women by swinging a sword around.
>>36621774
There's Deceit, and then there's DISNEY-STYLE ABSOLUTE BULLSHITTING.

>>36621817
Bullshitting = deceit. That isn't stealth. It just isn't.
Putting Disney-style doesn't make it stealthy, you are still bullshitting, so that qualifies as deceiving them rather than stealthily walking by him. In general, if they see you and you get them not to care, it's Deceit, if they just don't see you, it's Stealth.

>>36621794
And the more Robust you are, the more options you available to you.
>Middle of a Forest
>Average Guy
>"Blast it all, if we only had some sort of portable object to hide behind!"
>Robust MacBuff
>"I got this."
>*rips tree out of the ground*

>>36621888
>Charmer McDashing caught by guard.
>"I'm not actually here."
>Guard momentarily stunned and unable to perceive anything out of sheer disbelief of the audacity of Charmer pulling such a stunt on him, giving Charmer enough time to sneak away using conventional methods.
>When the guard snaps out of it, he dismisses the whole thing as a figment of his imagination.

Also, is anyone else getting 502 Bad Gateway over and over again? I suspect that the no Captcha experiment going on in /pol/ is ruining the entire site.

>>36621794
Or something minuscle like a single branch, too stupid too fail and all that.

>>36621888
This is based off of the fact that we rolled Disguise up into Deceit.

>>36621929
I'm getting 502 as well. Fucking /pol/. I'm just saying that by saying "I'm not actually here" you're lying, which is Deceit, and not Stealth. Once you "sneak away using conventional methods" I'd say you just are rolling Stealth+Agility after you got out of a bad situation with a Charm+Deceit roll.

>>36622012
Only the most inept henchman do that, and it doesn't tend to work. That's just a Kronk thing to do.

>>36622056
And yet I still think it would work, seeing as mooks are generally not very smart.

>>36622043
I would say using sheer audacity to pretend you're not there would be Charm+Stealth.

>>36622043
Ah, but you're not deceiving the guard at all. You're saying something blatantly untrue, and you're saying it with such great confidence and matter-of-factness that the target is blinded by cognitive dissonance.

>>36621929
Or maybe charm+stealth should be trying to look perfectly natural and in the right place. A man skulking around corners on his tiptoes screams "intrder", but a man just walking around like he owns the place and whistling?

>>36622096
Wouldn't that just be a really high TN then
And it would still be deceit

>>36622096
From a balance perspective would that work? If you can do that, then Deceit was just nerfed considerably, because now I don't have to be able to lie to lie to people, I just have to say things that aren't true with confidence (which is lying). From a skill perspective, that fits the skillset of deceit more than the skillset of being stealthy.

>>36622115
Deceit is only when you want to trick someone into believing something that isn't true. This making someone doubt their own senses by doing something that flies in the face of all rational thinking.

>>36622135
Deceit is one of the main combat skills in the game, one of the most widely used social skills, and can be used to heal. I'd say it could do with a little LESS utility.

>>36622135
Sneaking by with deceit would be more like
>>36622097

>>36622148
But that's literally what a high TN for deceit would be
In fact, I think in that thread a bunch of people we're making example TN's with, TN 35 or 40 was "Make someone believe something blatantly untrue"
Which is what Charmer would be doing
Making the guard believe something blatantly untrue

>>36622090
Not being very smart and being unable to see a man because he's holding a stick are not the same thing.

>>36622152
Have you seen anyone use deceit for combat? If you want to roll for a social strike, persuasion is just as good a choice, and Intimidate is much better (as you can roll it with more attributes and it can benefit from better traits). I'm just afraid of Stealth being used for Super-Lying making Deceit near-irrelevant. Social characters have a major skill tax anyways, as they have to take Deceit, Persuasion, and Intimidate if they want to cover all their bases, as opposed to the Ranged-Only or Melee-only combat skill of a physical character.

>>36622210
Exactly.

And now I'm getting connection errors again trying to post

>>36622210
At no point does the guard believe anything that is blatantly untrue. He is told something blatantly untrue with such confidence that he starts to wonder if anything is true. He is paralyzed by cognitive dissonance until the statement becomes true, and, determining that it must have been true all along, then he carries on.

>>36622237
So you are rolling to plunge the guard into ponderous nihilism, blinding him to the world by forcing him to question fundamental nature of existence, all because you said "I'm not really here"? This seems like stretching pretty far to be able to roll anything you want to with Stealth.

>>36622316
If you can pull a MacDuff with Robustness and Stealth.....

>>36622237
But anybody could really do that
Let's say I'm a guard
If a Monkey told me "I'm not really here" I would be stunned because hey, talking monkey
If a Dude told me "I'm not really here" I would just be stunned at his stupidity
If a 300lb Gorilla told me "I'm not really here" I would wonder why the fuck is there a Gorilla here and why the fuck is he talking and oh god am I going to die from a 300lb Gorilla from the zoo
I would be stunned

I think we should just not have charm with stealth, it's REALLY useful already. Maybe a bit of balance there?

>>36622444
>it's REALLY useful already
Not if we can have every skill rolled with every attribute. Most skill/attribute combinations should have caveats, though. Stealth/Charm's caveat should be that it works either poorly or not at all against those of Intelligence or Sensibility of at least 8.

>>36622506
Actually, if you're rolling to start them on a philosophical path of nihilism and questioning the nature of existence, then it also shouldn't work against those of Intelligence of 6 or less, as they are used to not understanding things and just assume you are a liar and stab you just to be sure, because they are guards and stabbing strangers is kind of what they do. Basically it would just be a combination that would have absurdly high TNs always.

>>36622598
>nihilism
Solipsism, actually. But yeah, rarely should Stealth/Charm be considered the best idea, especially when Deceit/Charm will just bluff you past the guards.

>>36622148
so basically telling someone "you are a duck" ?

>>36622737
The guard has had a lifetime of being pretty damn sure he's not a duck.....unless he is a duck, in which case the guard has had a lifetime of being pretty damn sure he's a duck. However, he has only seen you for a matter of seconds and is thus much less sure of the reality of your existence.

Would telling someone the beer they just drank was in fact full of ethanol and dihydrogen oxide and they'll soon start feeling the effects be Deceit or Science?

>>36622860
That's a good question, and in that case I would say the GM would decide or let the player decide.

>>36622827
Okay so how about "you are not staring a this tree", how's that for you?

>>36622827
THEN
THAT
IS
DECEIT
MAKING
SOMEONE
BELIEVE
SOMETHING
BLA
TANT
LY
UNTRUE
Knight pls
pls
Just make charm not work with stealth
Saying all skills should work with all attributes is silly

>>36622860
Science+Charm. Science to know all the fancy words, Charm to OOGA-BOOGA them over the other guy.

>>36622890
Have you been reading this thread, or did you pick a thread at random to be contrary in? The untrue statement becomes true while the guard is paralyzed by cognitive dissonance.

>>36622874
Another question: would accept Intelligence+Occult to form up some scary big words into what sounds like a curse and let the listeners draw their own conclusion as a form of social( well, intellectual) attack?

>>36622963
I of course meant "would you".

>>36622963
I'd have to say it's like
>>36622894
The skill lets you know all the big scary words, and Charm lets you OOGA-BOOGA them.

>>36622963
add the party Strong Guy downing large amounts of Beetroot juice and shower gel and you have the perfect way to clear a path in the archdioceses, or anywhere really..

>>36622890
One of the designated goals of the system was to be able to use any attribute with any skill. Sorry that you didn't actually bother to read up on the system before deciding you knew all about it.

>>36622963
You'd probably need Charm to convince people that you were cursing them rather than just rattling off an incantation.

>>36622944
So, you're saying that due to a fundamentally subjective nature of reality, you can make your skill at sneaking around make you good at lying?

The point is that lying to someone, or "making an untrue statement true via cognitive dissonance", is not and should not be based on skill at sneaking around, which is what Stealth is. You can try to use it for being stealthy, but that just isn't in the same skillset.

>>36622996
Oh, and if this is heading to the conclusion that any skill can be used with Charm to produce a social strike, I would like to point out that perhaps a social strike caused by a skill other than Deceit, Persuasion or Intimidate can, in addition to Insight, be resisted by the same skill, perhaps even the attribute the skill is typically rolled with. The last two examples might be resisted by Science and Occult respectively, both resisted with Intelligence.

>>36623108
The Charm is used to induce cognitive dissonance, and the Stealth is to sneak away conventionally without snapping them out of their stupor.

Reposting revised traits/powers from previous thread.

>I Know Kung Fu!
May use Brawl instead of Intimidation at a -2 penalty.

>Force of a Great Typhoon
Spend a Will point. If one of your melee attack takes out a Mook or Lackey you may immediately make an additional attack against another nearby Mook. This power lasts until the end of the turn and can never let a character make more than three additional attacks per turn. The number of mooks hit obviously scales with Tier.

>Force of a Great Typhoon (trait)
When fighting against mooks, additional strikes carry over to nearby mooks within attack range.

>Strength of a Raging Fire
Spend a Will point and make a Brawl attack. You can't make any more attacks this round, but if it hits the number of Strikes it causes is triplied.

>Mysterious as the Dark Side of the Moon
Spend a Will point. For a full scene all Insight or social rolls against you suffer a -5 penalty.

>My Kung Fu is Stronger than Yours!
+2 Prevent Harm if your opponent has a lower Brawl than yours, +3 if he is actually attacking you with Brawl.

>Facefisted!
Spend a Will point and Roll Brawl against the opponent's Robustness+Endure. If you win he can only make one action and move half his speed in his next turn. Kings only lose one action from this power.

>Float like a Butterfly, Sting Like a Bee (passive power)
As long as you have both hands free and are not suffering from any Speed or Agility penalty you may add half your Acrobatics OR Music to all Brawl and Prevent Harm rolls.

>Improbable Palm Strike
Spend a Will point and Brawl against the opponent's Robustness+Endure, with a +2 bonus to the attack. If you hit, the opponent is launched backward up to Robustness+Brawl meters. All characters in his path must roll Prevent Harm or suffer a Strike.

>Drunken Comet Kick (requires Bull Charge OR beast species)
If you spend an action to boost your movement the Bonus of Bull charge is increased to +5. Animal characters add +3 to their charge bonus instead.

>>36623155
>Flailing Gaijin Style
Spend two actions to make up to (lower of Brawl and Athletics) melee attacks. All attacks made this turn suffer a -4 penalty.

>Reversal (need better name)
Enemies that attack you in melee and miss suffer -2 Prevent Harm for a round.

>Pressure Point Pinching Paw
Your Brawl attacks score an additional Strike for every 8 points over the opponent's defense instead of every 10.

Fucking /pol/, why can't they just use chapta like the rest of us.

>>36623108
This is not a simulationist system. This is a system based off of children's movies, disney movies in particular. In them sneaking is in fact rarely just being light on your feet, but completely implausible logic and in a couple cases involves convincing someone that you're not there while hiding.

I don't know why you're trying to turn this into a 3.pf system of ONLY ONE ATTRIBUTE PER SKILL!!!11!!!!! system, when it was never intended to be. If you can justify HOW you're doing it, you're at least allowed to attempt it. I'm going to vote against any hard 'no you cannot use this attribute for this skill' methods. Sure, it may be harder to use Intelligence for Athletics, but if you can justify to me how you're doing it, you get to make your roll.

>>36623097
>One of the designated goals of the system was to be able to use any attribute with any skill.
Not him, but that seems a little; hard, to do. Like, what would you do for Robustness or Agility + Occult or Academics or Sciences?
Bullshitting would be Charm.
Actually knowing how to it would be Intelligence.
And luckily finding the right thing would be Sensibility.

>>36623231
Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's impossible. If you can find a way to justify it, you can make your roll.

>>36623251
But how would you do things like Robustness+Academics? It just seems impossible.

>>36623297
Fuck if I know. But that doesn't mean we should put in a 'NO YOU MAY NOT USE ROBUSTNESS WITH ACADEMICS'. Perhaps you're just punching the problem until it solves itself.

>>36623231
Robustness+Occult: Walk across hot coals (as a confidence thing)
Robustness+Science: Walk across hot coals (because you know the scientific reasons it can't actually damage you)
Agility+Occult: Magical ceremonial dances.
Agility+Academics: Non-magical ceremonial dances of foreign cultures.
Got me on the other ones.

>>36623388
Robustness+Academics: pratical demonstration of Nietzsche's Will to Power

Agility+Science: High speed acrobatic potion mixing

>>36623231
>Like, what would you do for Robustness or Agility + Occult or Academics or Sciences?

Robustness+Occult
>You are attempting to close a portal to Bald Mountain! You attempt to close it using what you know of demonic magic, but as the portal requires life power to open or close it you are forced to ask yourself if you can possibly survive the ritual needed.
Robustness+Academics
>You are stuck in a trap! The walls are closing in and you don't know how long you can prevent them from crushing you. You see a mechanism at the other side of the room. Can your arms hold out as you attempt to reach the mechanism and figure out how to disarm it?
Robustness+Sciences
>An electric generator in an Atlantean Frigate is going haywire! To prevent the ship from exploding you must find the control panel and input the right commands. Four members of the crew have already died attempting to reach it, burnt to a crisp by the bolts of electricity flying inside the generator room. Are you tough enough to make it to the switch?

Agility+Occult
You are about to perform the Rite of Matsya! Unfortunately the Hindu deity was believed to have possessed four arms, and you have only two. It is still possible to perform all the hand gestures needed to complete the rite, but you are going to have to be fast about it. Can you perform the Rite both quickly and accurately enough to make it work?
Agility+Academics
You found the TOME OF LIGHT in the Beast's library! But Facilier has sent shadowmen to prevent anyone from unlocking the TOME's secrets. You flip through the pages as you run through the abandoned manor, only seconds in front of the shadowmen chasing you. Can you maintain your lead long enough to find the page you are looking for?
Agility+Sciences
In your fight against Yzma's chimeras you have knocked over several dozen of her potions and chemicals! They are mixing and filling the room with a noxious miasma. Can you find find an antidote in time?

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>>36623714
Agility+Occult
>You are about to perform the Rite of Matsya! Unfortunately the Hindu deity was believed to have possessed four arms, and you have only two. It is still possible to perform all the hand gestures needed to complete the rite, but you are going to have to be fast about it. Can you perform the Rite both quickly and accurately enough to make it work?
Agility+Academics
>You found the TOME OF LIGHT in the Beast's library! But Facilier has sent shadowmen to prevent anyone from unlocking the TOME's secrets. You flip through the pages as you run through the abandoned manor, only seconds in front of the shadowmen chasing you. Can you maintain your lead long enough to find the page you are looking for?
Agility+Sciences
>In your fight against Yzma's chimeras you have knocked over several dozen of her potions and chemicals! They are mixing and filling the room with a noxious miasma. Can you find find an antidote in time?

Reposting for clarity.

Pic unrelated

>>36623742
>Pic unrelated
Well, the filename describes the ideas, at least.

>>36623208
Okay, there are a couple of issues with this.
1. I'm not saying "ONE ATTRIBUTE PER SKILL!!!11!!!!!" as you put it. I'm arguing against one justification for one combination of a specific attribute and a specific skill, because I feel like it steps on the toes of another skill.
2. Saying that everyone who you disagree with is trying to turn the system into 3.PF is just reductive.
3. It makes more sense fluff-wise for that to fall under a different skill: Deceit. I'm not arguing that something shouldn't be doable, I'm arguing about how we classify it crunch-wise

>>36623938
It steps on the toes of a vastly wide and almost all-devouring skill.
2: You've argued heavily for 3.5e-ish mechanics in the past, frequently.
3: There is no good reason for someone to not be able to use Stealth+Charm for a particularly cunning disguise or good method of convincing someone.

>>36623938
Possible solutions:
>Mental skills, Social skills and Physical skills
>You can use Agility or Robustness with Physical skills
>You can use Intelligence or Sensibility with Mental skills
>You can use Charm or Sensibility with Social skills.
I'm not saying it's perfect (the double reliance on sensibility is a slight issue) but I think it could work with some refinement.

>>36624055
No real reason to add more classifications for the 'because' reasons. If you can justify how you're doing it, you get to roll. If I recall, one of the original concepts was to use Melee+Charm to pretend to be an excellent fencer and impress someone.

>>36624038
>2: You've argued heavily for 3.5e-ish mechanics in the past, frequently.
And here is the problem with being a namefag. People will judge you for your past actions, even if you've changed your opinions since then.
Also, why wouldn't they use Deceit+Charm? That's what Deceit means.
Hell, why don't we roll Deceit and Stealth into one skill? Call it Subterfuge or something Subterfuge+Agility is sneaking, Subterfuge+Charm is lying. Done.

Other examples I've thought of, albeit some are quite limited:

Robustness or Agility with Persuasion or Deceit: Using your physical capability as a key part of your argument/point.
>"Trust me, I'm tough enough for the job."
>"I can totally run across that tightrope; do I not look like the sort who can?"
>"Look how big I am, I can't possibly be that fast."
>"Just look at how skinny and weak I am!"

Robustness plus Mechanics: repairing a vehicle when it requires very heavy parts to be replaced.

Ledgermain+Charm: Compensate for your lack of nimbleness by relying more heavily on misdirection.

>>36624055
Nah, I think the system is fine as it is. You just need some creativity to justify it, even if you have to stretch just a tiny bit.

>>36624082
1: Because then "Subterfuge" is now an incredibly wide skill. It does too much for the points you put into it, where it becomes a bit ridiculous to put points into anything else.

2: Because you're not specifically trying to convince someone, you're using a good disguise you made yourself. Honestly, the skill Disguise was broken up for both Stealth and Deceit, i'm not sure why people think it was rolled into just Deceit.

>>36624116
All it does is sneaking and lying. Is that really so wide?

>>36624130
Yes

>>36624130
Sneaking, lying, attacking, and you can use lying for an awful damn lot in an RPG where occasionally the laws of physics bend for comedy purposes.

Okay, important detail: Are we capping our non-Atlantean technology to the Roaring 20s or WWII era? This is going to determine how cool-looking the available motorcycles are going to be.

>>36624433
20s

>>36624433
We can probably go as far as the 30's but not further. I don't see atlanteans so much advancing their conventional technology as adapting existing designs with "new" magitech.

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>>36624476
>>36624484
Alright, there were cool Harleys in the late 20s anyways.

And speaking of the 30s, did the Great Depression even happen?

>>36624553
the Great Depression was probably put on hold by the whole 'world is taken over by time-travelling evil forces" thing.

>>36624055
I think that narrows people down too much personally.

>>36624038
>You've argued heavily for 3.5e-ish mechanics in the past, frequently.
You said that, and I quote, "you're trying to turn this into a 3.pf system of ONLY ONE ATTRIBUTE PER SKILL!!!11!!!!! system"
I never said anything of the kind. That's just saying random bullshit to try to smear me.

>a vastly wide and almost all-devouring skill.
I've been in a majority of the playtests so far, and the campaign session, and I've seen people roll deceit a fraction of the times I've seen them roll Stealth.

This entire thread has been ponderous arguing retarded things against established posters
pls where is the fluff, i don't want to listen to him arguing for murdering other characters in retarded and nonsensical situations or for more dnd mechanics

>>36624802
Fluff is pretty much done by now, we're just missing about 14 kings before we can put the whole thing in a pdf.

>>36624860
16, in fact.

Grimhilde the Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom
Queen La of the Leopard Kingdom
Empress Yzma of the Sunless Empire
Pontifex Immortalis Frollo of the Grand Archdiocese
Tzekel-Kan of El Dorado
General Santa Anna of the Empire of Mexico
Imperial President Lyle Tiberius Rourke of the Imperial Republic of Atlantis
The Huntsmen of the Elite Global Huntsman Club (Muntz, Gaston, McLeach, Buldeo, Amos Slade, King Fergus)
Chairman Cutler Beckett of the East India Trading Co.
King Louis of the Kingdom of the Red Flower
King Ratigan of the Under-Empire

Gimme a sec, though, and I'll make it 15.

>>36624860
I stopped posting rumor mill stuff when I saw it wasn't getting added to the doc at all.

I got my computer with me now, so I might post some fluff stories in the next couple days or so.

>>36625564
Rumor mill is part of the adventurer's almanac.

For Frollo, what do you guys think of an ability that heats up all magic items to the point where you have to make an Endure check to hold them and if you fail, you have to put them down or take a strike? It fits his whole fire and magic-hating theme.

Placeholder Name: For one will point, Frollo can heat up all magic items held or worn by the players. This effect lasts for 2 turns, and forces all players wearing or holding magic items to make a TN 30 Endure check to hold onto their items. If they fail, they must either drop the item in question, losing all bonuses associated with it until they take an action to pick it up, or take 1 physical strike. Armor cannot be dropped, although you could take it off with an action.

>>36626141
TN30 is a bit high, and I'm not sure you can take actions outside of your turn. Perhaps call it HELLFIRE, DARK FIRE ?

>>36626010
>>36626141
Should have the caveat that this ability can't effect items holy/divine items.

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King
Name: Tzekel-kan
Role: Smart/Charming Guy
Class: Corrrupt Priest
Size: Medium
Species: Human
Tier: Heroic

---Attributes---
Robustness: 14
Agility: 10
Intelligence: 17
Sensibility: 14
Charm: 15
Will: 6/6
Strikes: 6+3X, where X is the number of players in the party.

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 8
Athletics: 8
Persuade: 12
Intimidate 12
Insight 12
Deceive: 16
Occult: 16
Melee: 10
Prevent Harm: 10
Endure: 16
Craft: 7

---Traits---
KING: This unit is a KING, with all the benefits that entails.
Master of an Army: Davy Jones can call in his Villains to aid him in a fight if they haven’t been defeated.
Don't You Disrespect Me Little Man: +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Scene.
Heart of Prometheus: +3 to all rolls involving Occult and Craft simultaneously
Prideful Priest-King: Every Social Strike against this character counts double. For every double social strike taken, obtain +3 against all attack and intimidation rolls against the character/party that inflicted it
Astrologer: +2 on Occult rolls when you have some form of star chart or telescope.

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>>36626667
Aw, so close to SUPER SATAN.


---Powers---
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!: Regain one strike every time blood is drawn at most 50 meters away.
Reign in Blood: On his own turn, regain two strikes for every character within 50 meters who has being bleeding for a full round
Blood Magic: Strikes regained from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! and Reign in Blood may take Tzekel-kan above his normal maximum strikes. Additionally, for every 5 strikes regained by these powers, increase Robustness by 1 for the rest of the scene.
POP CULTURE REFERENCE/HARDCORE MODE:
Awaken My Masters!: Once he has regained at least 20 strikes from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! and Reign in Blood, Tzekel-kan may spend two willpoints to cause a solar eclipse and awaken THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS from their slumber within a great mural. As long as at least one of THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS is awake and alive, Tzekel-kan's gains from his other powers are doubled.

---Equipment---
Sacrificial Blade: +1 Melee, +4 against anything that can bleed. Might be bad for your soul.

>>36626741

First off, AWAKEN, MY MASTERS!!

Second off, how come that nigga has 14 robustness but 10 Agility?

Hey you know, we got a bunch of enemies that cause status effects, but I don't really think we have a list of them anywhere. Should we make a short one?
The ones that I know of are

-Poison: Unit can inflict an extra Strike in damage if they have a successful combat roll.
-Burn: Same as Poison, but Strikes are inflicted after two turns. Burned units suffer -1 Robustness and Agility until Strikes are inflicted. Effect can stack, but can't make a unit's Robustness or Agility go below 1.
-Freeze: Frozen/Units afflicted with harsh cold suffer -2 Robustness and Agility. Effect can stack, but can't make a unit's Robustness or Agility go below 1.
Stun: Stunned units combat turn gets skipped. (Obviously a little bit easier to overcome this one than the others, as it is more severe)

>>36626667
>Davy Jones can call in his Villains to aid him in a fight if they haven’t been defeated.
>Davy Jones

>>36626977
Shit, typo.

>>36626928
As I recall, he was neither strong nor swift in the movie, but he's been making many sacrifices for power, and power means you get bigger faster than you get faster.

I'm statting up Grimhilde, and holy damn.

That gal's just incredibly weak to simply being punched in the face

>>36627395
Make her an Alchemist Archer or some shit

>>36627395
As she should be.

>>36625861
Where are all the minor villains rumor mills that were posted in the old threads? Doc in the OP only has heroes.

>>36627395
>>36627469
>>36627485

What powers should I give her? She doesn't really seem to do much by herself, instead depending on her equipment

Just had an idea for charm/stealth basically, let's say you head into bad guy bar where everyone will shoot you if they see you for who you are, but you dress up as a thuggish sort (but don't talk to anyone) and walk I'm I'm disguise.
Does that sound like a good way to use it?

>>36627586
Probably something that lets her apply poison to her weapons, or something to do with deadly apples.

>>36615520
Grimhilde's power isn't in her strength, it's in her cunning and charm. Actually hurting her shouldn't be too hard, but getting the drop on her/ not being sent through a mental wringer by her should be hard. Also blightown tier poison bullshit.
She could also be a seductress, if you dare enter her magical realm

>>36627639

Those are both just Occult+Craft rolls, I guess.

>>36627586
Giver a Power that inflicts poison, but it inflicts two Strikes instead of one.

>>36627586
Give her a penis

>>36627762
>>36627935
We don't talk about such things after what happened last time.

>>36628009
Yeah, poor Sverd is still traumatized. Not to mention to what it did to the project's reputation.

>>36627762
>Also blighttown tier poison bullshit
Oh god, don't remind me
>Enter Blighttown
"Yeah, I've seen how to roll away from the Mosquitoes when they attack, I should be able to avoid poison."
>Walk on the ground
>Be poisoned
>Good job

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>>36628009
We promised to never mention that monstrosity ever again.

EVER

>>36628062
>>36627762

I do not know what Blighttown is

But I am, now, curious

>>36628113
One of the bullshittest areas in Dark Souls, aka Bullshit: the Game.

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'SUP FAGS, GET READY FOR THE HOTTEST PIECE OF ASS

EXCEPT THAT NOT, 'CUZ LOLSNOW WHITE

ALSO, FUCK IT, I'M USED TO WRITE THINGS IN THIS FORMAT SO I'LL ADJUST IT LATER IN THE PAGE

----------

Name: Grimhilde, Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom
Role: Smart/Sensible
Class: Evil Queen
Size: Medium
Species: Human
Tier: Hero

---Attributes---

Robustness: 9
Agility: 9
Intelligence: 17
Sensibility: 16
Charm: 15

Will: 7/7
Strikes: 8 + 3X, with X being the number of members in the party

---Skills---

Ranged: 7
Prevent Harm: 15
Endure: 12
Stealth: 10
Legerdemain: 8
Deceit: 14
Persuasion: 16
Intimidate: 18
Academics: 15
Science: 15 (16)
Occult: 18
Insight: 16 (17)
Craft: 18

---Traits---

-Heart of Prometheys
+3 to all rolls involving Occult and Craft at the same time

-Think You Can Hide From Me?
+2 to insight when attempting to detect people in Stealth (Alternatively, give a -2 penalty to those trying to hide from the Queen with Stealth)

-Fairest Of Them All
+4 to Persuasion if trying to play it off her beauty and/or natural charm.

-Prideful Queen
Social Strikes count double. For every double Social Strike taken, obtain a +3 to all attack and Intimidate rolls against the party that inflicted them.

-Master Alchemist
Any and all breweries, potions and tonics made by this character are of the highest quality and obtain a +4 bonus to their original effects.

>>36628235

---Powers---

-Cursed Brew
Spend a Will Point. The next potion, tonic, or brewery that Grimhilde produces will have its natural effects not only doubled in both potency and/or duration, but also have one additional effect, and that, too, will be at double efficiency. (Poison, Sleep, etc)

---Equipment---

-The Magic Mirror:
Enables “Scry”
Scry: This character can look into any point in the planet through a magic window, mirror, body of water or other means, unless it is protected by magic in some form.

-Iron Cauldron: +3 to all rolls that require any form of brewing.

-“Change Form” potions

-Assortment of various magical potions, poisons, tonics and brews. (Can produce more, easily)

.

So, not the most.....Exciting, I know, but I wasn't sure what to give her. And yeah, more powers would be appreciated. What ya'll think?

>>36628278
>1 Power
At least give her Poisonous. Also some powers from the generic list too.
And what does she attack with?
Just potions?
Does she shank bitches?
Does she bust a cap in people's asses?
Does she shoot niggas with a bow?
Another thing, if you want some ideas, you could take some from the original fairy tale.
Where she y'know
Tries to eat Snow White.

>>36628113
Son.
Let me tell you.
About Blighttown.
>Be playing Dark Souls, after beating the vagina dragon boss
>Walk in through the Front Door of Doom
>Go down ladder
>Go down other ladder
>Suddenly, gigantic ogre out of nowhere
>He banishes you from his swamp, laddeh
>Realise you can just exploit his bad AI
>Spend ages exploiting the bad AI of three ogres (I think, it's been a while)
>Suddenly, random bullshit poisonous face-eating zombies leaping at you
>Run to grab the item you saw earlier
>Fail, die like a bitch
>Know that whenever you die, you can end up losing all your souls and humanity, so you get hasty trying to recover them and die like a bigger bitch
>Quit the game
>Come back later, somehow manage to beat the face-eating disease zombies
>Oh hey, an item over there
>I'll jump over to itAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH
>fall to your death
>repeat 99 times
>finally get the item
>it was a shitty ninja sword
>quit, reload later
>So many ladders
>Two more face eaters
>See bridge, attempt to walk across
>Bridge starts moving
>Die again, go through all the same bullshit
>Oh look, a couple of dogs, they shouldn't be too hard to beat OH GOD WHY AM I ON FIRE
>WHY DO THESE DOGS BREATHE FIRE
>WHAT THE FUCK
>Grab humanity from the other side
>Go back to where you fought the face-eaters
>Oh hey, I'm going up this ladder! What a twist!
>Light up the bonfire (when you rest there, you get back your healing potions and set it as a spawn point but also respawn all monsters
>Move on, more face-eaters, more fire dogs
>Go down bunch more ladders
>Walk through spoopy cave
>Beat up anus monster, find Power Within pyromancy (probably the best thing in Blighttown)
Continued later.

>>36628404

I DID mention that more power suggestions would be appreciated. And I have no clue, SHE DOESN'T USE ANYTHING IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL

I suppose I could give her a dagger and a bow, and both could be easily poisoned though.

Also, giving her a power that poisons her shit is just......Lame. Anybody can poison ANYTHING, and it is just a craft or Science roll. Not worth a whole power

>>36628427
>Exit spoopy cave
>Kill random bugs
>Get out of the weird place made of wooden floorboards and into the swamp of Blighttown
>You're poisoned now
>Grats
>Find another bonfire, rest there
>Go through the poisoned bullshit, kill infinitely respawning mosquitos of annoyingness and also get gangbanged by Shrek and his pals
>Fight boss
>Now have to climb all the way back up to the surface (thankfully the way out's a lot quicker)
>And now your main spawn point got destroyed by an NPC
I missed a lot, but this was my general experience the first time I played it. There's also some more good items, a pyromancy trader that shows up later, and a hidden covenant, but generally it's shit. Fuck Blighttown.

>>36628447
Oh, and then there's Sen's Funhouse. Marginally better, I guess.
But then there's Anor Londo.
And at the end of Anor Londo....
COME ON AND SLAM
AND WELCOME TO THE JAM

>>36628427
>>36628447
>/tg/ - Disney Villains Victorious - Dark Souls

>>36628113
Blight town:
,>Pretty much every enemy causes poison
>Ogres with ridiculous hp
>annoying as shit mosquitoes
>rape ghouls
>rickety platforms which you will die from if you fall
>annoying snipers with bullshit superpoison which is pretty much a death sentience and requires an extremely rare antidote
>bottom floor is a swamp that slows movement and causes poison
A little known secret from development: Blight town was specifically made to make the water temple from OOT feel relaxing

>>36628487
>/tg/
On topic isn't in our dictionary.

>>36628496
Oh yeah, and I forgot:
You can negate the slowing effect by going to the tutorial area you won't realise you can go back to on your first run, which is now full of tough enemies and a bullshit AoE-spamming boss, and grabbing this one ring that doesn't really indicate what it's meant to do unless you read the full description as opposed to the TL;DR version.

>>36628278
perhaps something for deceit?
Perhaps she took up some more MAGIC, specifically illusions for making her even more pretty, but that can be weaponized to separate the party or put them against demons, perhaps even pretend to be another member if the party.

>>36628550
Sorry, clicked on the wrong post. Still relevant, though.

>>36628443
No no, Poisonous makes all of the unit's attacks poisonous, unless specified otherwise, like Grimhilde can't poison people with brawl or social attacks. It's not a power to poison your shit.

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>>36628477
>Dat spoiler
Oh, god.
I was not prepared the first time I met them.
I was not prepared.

>>36628496
>extremely rare antidote
Blight Town was bullshit, yes, but come on. Did you never grind for souls in Darkroot Garden? I was practically drowning in the blooming purple flowers or whatever anti-Toxin was. And the spider shield/ninja set were pretty early on weren't they?

>>36628594

Oh, wait....It's a trait?

Sounds neat, where is it?

>>36628707
Hydra

1. Hydra
Role: Nimble/Strong Guy
Class: HYDRAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Size: Gigantic (Barely)
Species: Beast
Tier: On-A-Roll

---Attributes---
Robustness: 15/16
Agility: 16/14
Intelligence: 8/14
Sensibility: 11/14
Charm: 1/14
Will: 3/3
Strikes: 4+X2, where X is the number of party members.
---Skills---
Acrobatics: 5 + 1 from role.
Athletics: 5
Intimidate: 7
Melee: 7 + 2 counting Natural Weapons.
Prevent Harm: 6 + 3 from Villain trait and role.
Endure: 6 + 2 from Villain trait.
---Traits---
Down Where It's Wetter: Unit doesn't suffer movement and speed penalties when swimming.
Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man!: +3 to Intimidate if you have taken a Social strike in this Situation.
Natural Weapons: Sharp Teeth and Venomous Poison give this creature +2 melee and other effects.
Villain: This unit is a Villain. It gets +2 to Prevent Harm and Endurance.
---Powers---
-HYDRAAAAAAAA (Unique!): Whenever the Hydra "dies" it is "resurected" with one more head, giving it another action. Heads cap at 12. Effect can be stopped by burning the Hydra immediately after it's been "killed".
Poisonous: Unit is poisonous. After making a successful combat roll against another unit, this unit makes another combat roll to poison the attacked unit, which causes another Strike.

Goddamn do I hate this format

>>36628660
Yes, I did grind for souls in Darkroot Garden.
I did this by unlocking the door to the Forest, and then luring the NPCs off the cliff, since that was far safer than risking my life against crazy plant-men.

>>36628846


Aaah, I see. Okay, that could be nice. If she's good enough to go on the page, then I'll add it to her

I know, right. Ugly as fuck, isn't it?

>>36628660
>didn't discover dark root garden until after I finished blight town
I never said I was particularly good at dark souls

>>36628914
Yeah she seems good. Just add the Poisonous ability and some weapons, maybe a third power, probably from the generic or Smart guy list.

I know man, but what are you gonna do. Democracy.

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AND YOU THOUGHT THE DINOSAURS WERE SCARY BONUS BOSSES

THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS

Names: Ayziidiizii, Karz
Role: AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS (8d6 Robustness, 6d6 Agility)
Country of Origin: Tlalocan
Size: SWOLE
Species: Pillar Me-er, AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS

---Attributes---
Robustness: 30
Agility: 20
Intelligence: 16
Sensibility: 20
Charm: 16
Will: 20/20
Strikes: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....dude, run.

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 10
Athletics: 25
Brawl: 15
Prevent Harm: 15
Endure: 15
Deceit: 15
Persuasion: 15
Intimidate: 15
Academics: 10
Occult: 15
Insight: 15

---Traits---
Superior Strikes: Your Brawl attacks score an additional Strike for every 8 points over the opponent's defense instead of every 10.
Reversal: Enemies that attack you in melee and miss suffer -2 Prevent Harm for a round.
Godly Strikes: Spend a Will point and Brawl against the opponent's Robustness+Endure, with a +2 bonus to the attack. If you hit, the opponent is launched backward up to Robustness+Brawl meters. All characters in his path must roll Prevent Harm or suffer a Strike.
Force of a Great Typhoon: When fighting against mooks, additional strikes carry over to nearby mooks within attack range.
Float like a Butterfly, Sting Like a Bee: As long as you have both hands free and are not suffering from any Speed or Agility penalty you may add half your Acrobatics OR Music to all Brawl and Prevent Harm rolls.
My Kung Fu is Stronger than Yours!: +2 Prevent Harm if your opponent has a lower Brawl than yours, +3 if he is actually attacking you with Brawl.

>>36629069
---Powers---
THE POWER OF THE SUN: As long as Huitzilopochtli's eye is closed, Ayziidiizii and Karz have the Body of Flame and Body of Light powers respectively. However, if anyone manages to stop the solar eclipses, they will be utterly destroyed. Unless Karz puts on a certain stone mask, in which case you're screwed if you can't launch him into space via a volcano.
Body of Flame: This unit’s body can produce and endure extreme amounts of heat and flame. All attacks that could conceivably make use of this obtain a +5 bonus, and can deal the “Burning” status.
Body of Light: This unit’s body can produce and endure extreme amounts of heat and flame. All attacks that could conceivably make use of this obtain a +5 bonus, and can deal the “Blinded” status.

And someone else is going to have to decide what "Blinded" does.

>>36629069
>8d6 Robustness
>6d6 Agility
>No k3
OIL IT UP AINSELY
WE'RE GOING IN ROUGH

>>36629069

AY AY AY AYY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

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>>36629121

>>36629069
>>36629117
Feel free to stop making unbeatable joke bosses any day now.

>>36629069
>>36629117
>>36629117
You can tell why they're the Custodes.

>>36629169

>No fun allowed

It's like you don't even want to throw them into the stars via volcano while your grandfather's theme song blasts in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1YcJkYBAxQ

>>36629117
>And someone else is going to have to decide what "Blinded" does.
Blinded units suffer a -3 or 4 modifier to their attacks?

>>36629117

Blinded: -4 penalty to all Physical Strikes. If the target uses Prevent Harm with Agility, make it a -6 penalty

>>36629319

Wait, no.

Make it a -2 penalty and -4 if the target uses agility to dodge. Makes more sense

>>36629203
>>36629169

I'm honestly with the guy who's against the joke bosses.

There's no basis in the mythos, there's no basis in Disney, and there's no reason for the game.
Combine that with the Aztec King having powers that trigger on a condition that isn't in the game that are poorly designed (Ok everyone slit there palms. I'm now invincible, and since there's no cool down will always be invincible. Cmon gods who I've never had the ability to summon, let's be invincible together!)

It's riduclous.

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>>36629069
>tfw someone actually used your crappy traits

>>36629417

They aren't actually gonna be in the game dude, chill.

We're just having fun

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>>36629069
>>36629117
NOW IT'S A PARTY
AZTEC CRUNK IS GO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblR0eIRW-I

>>36629511

Yet they are referenced in a character whose template is intended to be in the game.

And the issues I've raised about the Aztec king still stand.

>>36629417
>As if any sane, reasonable GM isn't going to have only 1 or 2 sacrifices bleeding at any given time during the Tzekel-kan battle.
>As if any sane, reasonable GM would ever use THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS for any reason ever other than Tomb of Horrors style hilarity.

>>36629417
>Implying there can't be secret boss fights ala KH, where if certain conditions are met, you get stupidly hard yet fun fights.

I mean, don't make it necessary, but cameo Joke bosses that players can decide wether or not to fight is cool

>>36629628
Powers shouldn't be balanced on the basis that 'But- but- They won't abuse them!'

Powers should be balanced on the basis of 'This cannot or would be very difficult to break'.

An ability that permanently heals/strengthens someone with a small amount of effort is not balanced.

>>36629815
And so is any sort of opponent that can fly indefinitely and teleport to anywhere in their realm at will, but you don't hear anyone complaining about Maleficent.

>>36629603
WHO CRUNKA DEN US?

>>36629889
Nothing wrong with flying. Ya, teleporting is a lot, but its power at least specifies that it could be potentially blocked.

Also, Maleficent is a cruel sorceress fae Queen whose power is inextricably linked to her land.
Teezekal-Kan is still a human, and has nowhere near as much power as other sorcerer types

>>36630100
>Ya, teleporting is a lot, but its power at least specifies that it could be potentially blocked.
And what if the GM decides it can't? We can't stop him from doing that; we can't even force him to use the statblocks we've written up. We have no choice but to have good faith in any potential GMs.

>>36629627

Fine, fair enough

If I remember right, someone suggested a different set of powers for Tzekel-Kan in the last thread.

What if instead of bleeding, we treat his "Blood magic" as sacrificing his own strikes, or getting to use one of his powers every time he takes away one of his enemies' strikes?

>>36630260

Well, if we go by that point then it stops being our problem, really. Anybody can run any setting however the fuck they feel like.

What we are doing here is setting up rules that we'd all agree to play under. If the guy wants to make Maleficent the ultimate evil who can curbstomp Hades, Chernabog, marry Rasputin and rule the earth we can do nothing to stop it.

>>36630260
Well then, that's the GM directly going against the wording of the ability. That's his fault.

This is different because we are handing a GM a toolset which has this built in. We give him a remote, and all he has to do is push the button.
Yes, with any King the GM could go grab a different remote with an I Win button. But we can neither believe in good or bad DM's, but we need to give them the best tool sets we can.

I vote to change Tzekel-Kan's powers to:

-Needs More....Soul.
Spend one Will Point, and add Tzekel-Kan's Occult score to his next attack. If a Strike is dealt, restore one Will Point OR use the next Power without having to pay a Will Point

-Animate
Spend a Will Point. Tzekel-Kan draws his own blood (loses one Strike), and animates a Stone Jaguar to fight at his side. Cannot be used more than three times in the same scene. (In-unvierse justification is that he's losing too much blood)

-Blood Magic
Spend a Will Point, and burn one Strike. Tzekel Kan's next three attacks also use his Occult+Intelligence, with a +3 bonus for every Strike that Tzekel-Kan has lost.

>>36630389
>but we need to give them the best tool sets we can.
Some of the best tools in the world can fucking kill you if you don't know what you're doing. And yet, most safeguards are built not with the inept in mind, but users who know what they're doing and fumbled or suffered a lapse in diligence or attention.

>>36630649
These seem much better.

>>36630675
We consider players to 'know what they're doing' in the sense that they know the system. It's irrational to assume that all players/GM's will have years of experience running games. Past that, if a Kings powers work in such a way it's logical to play those characters using those abilities.

>>36630649
He needs more powers then, or he'll run out of powers to use faster than he will Will.

Also, he needs some method of restoring health.

>>36630649
Nah nah, I got it
TZEKEL-KAN

---Powers---
-BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Regain one strike every time blood is drawn at most 50 meters away.
-Reign in Blood
On his own turn, regain two strikes for every character within 50 meters who has being bleeding for a full round
-Blood Magic
Strikes regained from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! and Reign in Blood may take Tzekel-kan above his normal maximum strikes. Additionally, for every 5 strikes regained by these powers, increase Robustness by 1 for the rest of the scene.
-Needs More....Soul.
Spend one Will Point, and add Tzekel-Kan's Occult score to his next attack. If a Strike is dealt, restore one Will Point OR use the next Power without having to pay a Will Point
-Animate
Spend a Will Point. Tzekel-Kan draws his own blood (loses one Strike), and animates a Stone Jaguar to fight at his side. Cannot be used more than three times in the same scene. (In-unvierse justification is that he's losing too much blood)
-Blood Magic
Spend a Will Point, and burn one Strike. Tzekel Kan's next three attacks also use his Occult+Intelligence, with a +3 bonus for every Strike that Tzekel-Kan has lost.

-POP CULTURE REFERENCE/HARDCORE/COMPLETELY OPTIONAL MODE
Awaken My Masters!: Once he has regained at least 20 strikes from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! and Reign in Blood, Tzekel-kan may spend two willpoints to cause a solar eclipse and awaken THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS from their slumber within a great mural. As long as at least one of THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS is awake and alive, Tzekel-kan's gains from his other powers are doubled.

>>36630925
I don't think it would a veteran to figure out that the more blood that is being spilt, the harder the fight is going to be, and having everyone cut their palms flies in the face of the whole Aztec sacrifice schtick.

Still, you have a point, and I can't deny it.

>>36630999
Well, if the powers I suggested had the stipulation that only blood drawn in the correct ritualistic fashion counted, that could work.

>>36631239
>>36631226
---Powers---
-BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Regain one strike every time blood of a sacrificial victim is drawn at most 50 meters away. On his own turn, regain two strikes for every sacrifice within 50 meters who has being bleeding for a full round.....of course, the sacrifice must be conducted with the proper rituals, and only 2 sacrifices can fit on the altar at any time.
-Reign in Blood
Strikes regained from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! may take Tzekel-kan above his normal maximum strikes. Additionally, for every 5 strikes regained by these powers, increase Robustness by 1 for the rest of the scene.
-Needs More....Soul.
Spend one Will Point, and add Tzekel-Kan's Occult score to his next attack. If a Strike is dealt, restore one Will Point OR use the next Power without having to pay a Will Point
-Animate
Spend a Will Point. Tzekel-Kan draws his own blood (loses one Strike), and animates a Stone Jaguar to fight at his side. Cannot be used more than three times in the same scene. (In-unvierse justification is that he's losing too much blood)
-Blood Magic
Spend a Will Point, and burn one Strike. Tzekel Kan's next three attacks also use his Occult+Intelligence, with a +3 bonus for every Strike that Tzekel-Kan has lost.

-POP CULTURE REFERENCE/HARDCORE/COMPLETELY OPTIONAL MODE
Awaken My Masters!: Once he has regained at least 20 strikes from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!, Tzekel-kan may spend two willpoints to cause a solar eclipse and awaken THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS from their slumber within a great mural. As long as at least one of THE AZTEC GODS OF FITNESS is awake and alive, Tzekel-kan's gains from his other powers are doubled.>>36631226

>>36631367
>>36631239
Thank you. I like the stipulation on ritual sacrifice much better then the previous.

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Hey these Disney threads are pretty gud. You know who else like crossover fanfiction?

>>36631546
Please leave, /co/.

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>>36631546
>Thread L: Return of the Wizards
But seriously, I hope that was made ironically. I knew tumblr's basically the lovechild of deviantart and social media, but god damn. That is terrible.

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>>36631592
>>36631675
Pretty sure it's ironic. Unlike Superwholocks

>>36632081
What
In the actual fuck.
I knew it was a good idea to quit supernatural around season 4 but holy shit how are people this awful in existence?

>>36631546
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>>36632081

Why in the world would you pull all those different TV shows into one...thing?

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>>36632081
>this is a thing

>>36632170
>>36632240
>>36632256
How is this all new to you guys

>>36632355
I only have two friends who use tumblr regularly and I don't talk about internet shit in real life.

>>36632355
I've cut ties with most of my real life friends who browse tumblr since they became annoying bitches who cry sexism at everything and i'm sure as fuck not going there if that's what it does to people.

>>36631367

One, I think you should change the name of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" or at least stop using it all with caps, it's kinda annoying to read.

Two, what if we change it so that Tzekel-Kan can sacrifice one of his allies to regain five Strikes or so? Reminds me of that moment in the movie where he pushed that guy into the magic pool.

If we assume he'll have leopard warriors or at least stone jaguars, it seems okay to me. Stone jaguars oughta need a lot of...soul to move, and draining that away oughta give him a boost.

What does it sound like?

>>36626605
It should probably only count for blessed Christian items, as anything else would be the same as dark magic, as far as Frollo is concerned.

>>36632662
I say that the most visible aspects of any community from where you stand aren't necessarily the best representations of the community as a whole. By that logic, all of 4chan is made of Hitler-loving hackers and toxic script-kiddies, as far as a lot of people are concerned. Don't just decide to not interact with huge communities just because of a stereotype or a few people you know. I've actually gone on tumblr, decided that it wasn't good, and left, realizing that it wasn't for me. Check things out before hating on them.

So, can I add Grimhilde to the 1d4chan page?

It seems like she's fine and nobody else did, so if it's okay, I'll put her there.

>>36633027
There's no reason not to, but I think she still needs a little more umph before we use her.

>>36633204

I hear ya, but I don't know what else to add.

I plan on adding the "Poisonous" trait for every attack with a weapon, but I don't know what else would be a good idea. I've seen the other suggestions but just slapping magic into her feels...odd.

I was under the impression that she'd be that one boss that isn't all that hard by herself, but can absolutely and completely fuck you over BEFORE that. Be it by ordering her huntsman after you, or by being able to morph into anyone around you and sneak a poison in your drink without you noticing

>>36633288
Something to do with the mirror? Like
-She Sees You When You're Sleeping
All stealth rolls suffer a -6 modifier against Grimhilde, and suffer a -5 modifier when under scrutiny by Grimhilde through the Mirror.

>>36633552

Wait, can you even use stealth at all against the mirror?

I was under the impression that unless you had a protection charm or spell, or anything to hide yourself from the mirror you could try to be a stealthy as you wanted and the mirror would still show you no matter the disguise if she asked.

And I dunno, giving her a power that's dependant on the mirror feels a little odd. Makes her less of her own character, I suppose....But then again, she had little to no character in the original, so who knows

>>36633552
I don't see how the mirror helps her when she isn't looking through it, though.

>>36633288
To be fair, Grimhelde is a witch, and did dabble in magic in addition to poison.

Maybe something like:
I Have Seen- Grimhilde may always act in a surprise round. Spend a will point. For the next round, Grimhilde gains +5 on all her rolls.

Maybe something to do with illusions and smoke, like someone else suggested. Now that I think about it, it seems quite fine. How to implement it, though?

>>36633742

That sounds fine, but what exactly does the name mean, anyway? Just out of curiosity, I'm trying to remember if it has fluff to it.

Also, wait, something occured me.

Can she use her Charm as a form to Prevent Harm? Trying to stun people by how beautiful she is, or tug at their heartstring or something?

-Face of Beauty
Spend a Will Point. For the next three turns, add Grimhilde's Charm to her Prevent Harm rolls. Any rolls made against her that do not surpass her Prevent Harm score by at least 10 points will inflict a Social Strike on the attacking party.

>>36633625
>>36633627
Alright
-She Sees You When You're Sleeping
All stealth rolls fail when under scrutiny by Grimhilde through the Mirror.

>>36633909

I think that falls under "Scry" mate, which the Mirror enables. I'll add the details to it

>>36633909
much better

Now she just has to be scary enough to run from

Okay, reposting Grimhilde with some add-ons.

And fuck it, I've statted half the kings by now, I'm gonna namefag

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Name: Grimhilde, Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom
Role: Smart/Sensible
Class: Evil Queen
Size: Medium
Species: Human
Tier: Hero

---Attributes---

Robustness: 9
Agility: 9
Intelligence: 17
Sensibility: 16
Charm: 16

Will: 7/7
Strikes: 8 + 3X, with X being the number of members in the party

---Skills---

Ranged: 7
Prevent Harm: 15
Endure: 12
Stealth: 10
Legerdemain: 8
Deceit: 14
Persuasion: 16
Intimidate: 18
Academics: 15
Science: 15 (16)
Occult: 18
Insight: 16 (17)
Craft: 18

---Traits---

-Heart of Prometheys
+3 to all rolls involving Occult and Craft at the same time

-Think You Can Hide From Me?
+2 to insight when attempting to detect people in Stealth (Alternatively, give a -2 penalty to those trying to hide from the Queen with Stealth)

-Fairest Of Them All
+4 to Persuasion if trying to play it off her beauty and/or natural charm.

-Prideful Queen
Social Strikes count double. For every double Social Strike taken, obtain a +3 to all attack and Intimidate rolls against the party that inflicted them.

-Master Alchemist
Any and all breweries, potions and tonics made by this character are of the highest quality and obtain a +4 bonus to their original effects.

-Poisonous
This unit fights with poisoned weapons. After making a successful combat roll against another unit, this unit makes another combat roll to poison the attacked unit, which causes another Strike.

Cont.

>>36634050
Those are some high skills.
Maybe some illusion powers? She demonstrated some when she turned herself into an old woman.

>>36634050

---Powers---

-Cursed Brew
Spend a Will Point. The next potion, tonic, or brewery that Grimhilde produces will have its natural effects not only doubled in both potency and/or duration, but also have one additional effect, and that, too, will be at double efficiency. (Poison, Sleep, etc)

-Face of Beauty
Spend a Will Point and add this unit's Charm score to its Prevent Harm rolls for the next three turns. For that period of time, any rolls that do not surpass the Prevent Harm score by at least 10 points will inflict a Social Strike on the attacker
---Equipment---

-(Great) Dagger: +2 to Melee

-(Great) Shortbow: +3 to Ranged

-The Magic Mirror:

Enables “Scry”

Scry: This character can look into any point in the planet through a magic window, mirror, body of water or other means, unless it is protected by magic in some form. All stealth rolls fail.

-Iron Cauldron: +3 to all rolls that require any form of brewing.

-“Change Form” potions

-Assortment of various magical potions, poisons, tonics and brews. (Can produce more, easily)

.

Still need one more power

>>36634121

Was that an illusion? I always thought she changed her form with a potion

>>36634175
Actually, I don't remember very well. It's been a long time.

Also, I just realized one thing.

She is quite literally the Master of an Army and can call in the huntsmen to fight for her and distract the enemies while she fucks with them from the sidelines

How did I forgot that fucking trait.

What if her third power is something to buff her allies?

>>36634194
Here we go. She uses a potion, but it's made of abstract concepts rather than normal ingredients, and she calls down lightning to mix it, so it's kind of both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWfgLTRPGo

>>36634259
But yes, that was definitely covered already. What if we let her somehow poison the players with her shape-change potions, so you have to try playing as a much older version of your character who has penalties to Robustness and Agility?

>>36634226
Pssst meng
It's statter
Not Stater

>>36634259
>>36634318

Oh....Wow, okay, holy shit. That's pretty badass.

I sorta like that idea, but thing is, technically that is covered by the magical potions. I don't think people realize how broad that shit is.

Should I make a small table of possibilities for those?

>>36634352

Oh. Well, damn. Thanks.Second language, my bad.

>>36634405
Yeah, but we may want to make it cost a will point to do it, and spell out rules for potion-throwing and so on, so a table is a good idea. Also, let her huntsman have arrows that can hold her poisons.

>>36634405
Please do give a small table for the uncreative like me among us.

>>36634581

The huntsmen are on Villain territory, I'm not gonna touch that until we get done with the Kings at least. Call me lazy, but I know what I can do well so I'll stick with it for a while and let our villain-statting guy take over that

>>36634613

One table coming up. Let me just put her in the 1d4chan page.

Also, it's well past time that we get the Beast races onto the wiki. I would, but I haven't actually ever made a new page on it, and I honestly don't know how.

>>36634613
>>36634581

Alright

Magical Potions table. Reminder that I'm sorta making this up as I go.

-Change Form (Minor)
"Easier" to make. Changes you from a young man to an old woman, an old woman to a young lady, a kid to an adult, and way the all around. Changes your appearances and physical attributes, but you will ultimately still be human. Aside antidotes and spells, it should eventually wear itself out slowly.

-Change Form (Master)
A lot harder to prepare. Changes you to any other species, or size, you can think of and gather the ingredients for. Can't be reversed without an antidote, a spell, or things like that

-Change Matter
Make stone into clay, make clay into silver, make iron into sand, make lead into glass. Can either make it so that it only works on the thing you want, and turns it into only what you want, or make it random.

Poisons:

-Deathly
Simply put, you poison someone. Can be slow or fast, calm or painful depending on the alchemist.

-Cursed
Poison someone into an eternal sleep, into a state of madness, into losing their sights forever. Pretty much the "Sadistic bastard" option.

-Penalties
Make men and women weaker by the minute. This won't "kill" them per se, or even curse them forever, but they will feel like old cats dragging themselves through the floor, eventually.

Tonics:

-Longevity
Live longer! Although, of course, it is just spreading the butter too thin on a bread that is too big. You won't feel good about it, and you won't age gracefully, at least not past a certain point. But you'll be around for a little longer.

-Boost
Drink this, and become the STRONGEST THERE IS! Or fastest, or more sensible....For a short period of time. Could be addictive and harmful in big doses, who knows?

-Spellbreaker (Master-level)
If you know the spell and you know your trade, this will cancel out that magical ooga-booga the fucking wizards put in you. Hard to make, needs to be specific, and could be quite dangerous....But it *should* work.

>>36634920

That's essentially what came to me. It is three AM in here though, so if it is stupid, I'm blaming that and coming back to it tomorrow

>>36634920
>>36634942

As for what Grimhilde has or can use, I"d say she's got at least two of each for her Boss Fight, except for the Spellbreaker

She needs to spend at least two turns to prepare one though, but she can spend a Will Point to cut that time in half.

How does that sound?

Me and you Statterfag, we're gonna stat these Kings and Villains. Also Knightfag, that guy too.
And it also turns out the Headless Horsemen is TWO Villains.

Name: The Headless Horseman's Horse/Knight-Mare
Role: Villain/Nimble & Strong Guy
Class: Warrior Guy Who's Actually a Horse
Size: Large
Species: Horse/Drafthorse

---Attributes---
Robustness: 15/14
Agility: 17/14 (18 during night)
Intelligence: 6/14
Sensibility: 8/14
Charm: 10/14
Will: 3/3
Strikes: 9+X2, where X is the number of party members.

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 5 + 1 from role.
Athletics: 9
Intimidate: 7
Brawl: 7 + 3 from Natural Weapons.
Prevent Harm: 6 + 3 from Villain trait, and role.
Endure: 6 + 2 from Villain trait.
Linguistics: 3 (Mammal, Human, Undead)

---Traits---
-Villain
This unit is a Villain. It gets +2 to Prevent Harm and Endurance.
-Bull Charge
+2 to Brawl when charging into combat.
-Creature of the Night
+1 to this unit's primary stat during the night.
-Mount
This unit is a mount. It can be equiped by another unit to provide bonuses to stats. Mount and mounting unit still count as separate entities, but must stay together.

Powers in a bit

>>36635167

---Powers---
-Knight-Mare (Unique!)
For one Will point, Knight-Mare can wield a Melee weapon to improve his Brawl for the next two turns. Bull Charge bonus is also doubled.
-Nightmare
Spend a Will point to make a hallucination of a chosen target's greatest fear. Chosen unit must make a Sensibility+Insight roll of TN30. If failed, unit is stuck in a nightmarish and is stunned for two whole combat turns. If roll is succeeded nothing happens. If roll is failed bad enough, as in below TN21, unit also takes a Strike in damage.
-Demonic Stare
Choose one target. +3 to Intimidation rolls against them for the rest of the scene.
-CHOO CHOO (Combination Attack)
For two Wll points from both Knight-Mare and the Headless Horseman, the Horseman rides his horse at its fullest to hit a unit. Both KM and HH roll combat rolls against this unit. HH roll is Robustness+Agility+Melee, KM roll is Robustness+Agility+Brawl. Causes Stun and Burning. Can only be used once. Can be only be used when at least 30m from target.