>>36455301
King/Land/Rule: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious_K/L/Rs
Setting Traits: http://pastebin.com/8RRbwMQT
Beast Species: http://pastebin.com/PwVr9VeT (Probably a bit out of date, should move to 1d4chan if we're agreed on the stats)
TRAITS: http://pastebin.com/TJXncd7A
POWERS:http://pastebin.com/pQDDqisU
Fluff Catalogue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qj_IIuF_rqh_F2L-SeYn-dBiwDTtwWFpnbcXyfcgeE8/edit
Song Catalogue: (google doc) 1oQniqbLaTCF7V19fnXP0_zUW7GFr3ESziGM6U5mEcC0/edit
Rumour Mill: (google doc) 17CzFrAblibwD__7sEYorqXSz4ILYVp1O4tcQ-mGyYiI/edit?usp=sharing
Villain Immortality: http://pastebin.com/kA1wsUzV
National Anthems: http://pastebin.com/Gd9rETxb
Chimera Races: http://pastebin.com/B8SkUwWB (Out of date, needs to be updated)
First Playtest: http://pastebin.com/Vy1E0sHB
Second playtest:http://pastebin.com/qE1kW0YY
Third playtest: http://pastebin.com/sWj8Y87v
Fourth Playtest: http://pastebin.com/SHieN5zL
Fifth Playtest: http://pastebin.com/TGctR8VA

Google doc for character creation:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m8XSm73Ea4ECdDdP9V4IVJCEBji6HPw43LRPyUCDmx4/edit?usp=sharing

Playtests are hosted here; https://app.roll20.net/join/585117/yX0x1w

Magic IRC is hosted on Mibbit, network is AsyloIRC, room is #DVVmagic

Sixth(!) playtest. http://pastebin.com/8wUw2Leg
I'm gearing up for a test campaign and am looking for dedicated players, but I'll post the actual join link later -- the campaign should be roughly ~20 sessions in length, and thus will last about 2/5 of the year with one session a week, possibly two depending on how we swing it.

WHAT THIS MEANS: only one more playtest till we have an actual campaign ready and that lets us test the tougher things that aren't just gameplay.

>>36455375
I'm willing to join, depending on scheduling

>>36455301
Hey speaking of the Queen of Hearts, did we ever figure out a way for PC's to go to Wonderland?

>>36455693
Two methods.
1. They'll have to run into the Cheshire Cat, though he'll only show up if he feels like it
2. Convince Alice to return to Wonderland to face her fears, she knows where the rabbit hole is.

KLRs left:
Queen La of the Kingdom of the Leopard

Bagheera of the Free Creatures

Shere Khan of the Shere Khanate

Kings left to stat:

Sorcerer-Sultan Jafar of Agrabah
Maleficent the Faerie Queen
Grimhilde the Fair Queen of the Mirror Kingdom
The Horned King of Prydain
Queen La of the Leopard Kingdom
Empress Yzma of the Sunless Empire
Pontifex Immortalis Frollo of the Grand Archdiocese
Tzekel-Kan of El Dorado
Shan-Yu of the Hun Dynasty
Governor Radcliffe of Virginia
Imperial President Lyle Tiberius Rourke of the Imperial Republic of Atlantis
The Huntsmen of the Elite Global Huntsman Club
Chairman Cutler Beckett of the East India Trading Co.
Hades of Olympia
Ursula of All-Oceans
The Aurora of the Spirit Realm
Scar, High King of the Pridelands
King Louis of the Kingdom of the Red Flower
Bagheera, Lord of the Free Creatures
Shere Khan of the Shere Khanate
Kaa the Ancient of the Subjugate of Kaa
Mor'du of the Land of the Bear
King Ratigan of the Under-Empire

>>36456274
Bagheera's was in the last thread.

>>36455301
How is lust not Frollo? Seriously. He does an entire song about it.

>>36456322
Why is Captain Hook sloth? A mans entire ambition is to sail the sky's between to dimensions and harness whatever he feels like.

>>36456308
Whoops. I already added it to the wiki too. Ignore that one.

>>36456438
Yeah, Scar or Shere Khan would be much better for Sloth.

>>36456274
>all those kings

>sweating intensifies

Not looking forward to that, let me tell you.

Also, is The Man a Villain or an over-king for the Global Huntsman Club?

Well done gents. Well done.

One option is to organize viewing parties to watch a King's movie and then stat them out as a group.

>>36457270
Probably a king

>>36457760
For what meng

>>36457770
I'd be on board (hopefully it jives with work and school schedules).

>>36458014
what movies should we start with? the bad ones? the good ones?

>>36458936
Chronological order maybe?

>>36459090
So, Fantasia first. Shouldn't we be doing Cherrybomb last?

>>36459103
Snow White would be first, wouldn't it?

>>36453994

Speaking of, will there be any use of Pinocchio?

>>36459185
He's either-
>Dead
>Still in Monstro
>Wooden leg breaker for Coachman

bump

>>36459257
I meant, the setting itself

>>36459637
The Coachman still runs Pleasure Island, not a whole bunch has been discussed with Honest John/Gideon, Stromboli or Monstro though. Rumors about the Blue Fairy and Jiminy Cricket, but that's about it.

Isn't this just Once Upon A Time but as a tabletop game?

>>36459707
The idea of Dr Facilier scheming his way into the Coachmen's inner circle and using magic and the curse of Pleasure Island to start making and selling shadow monster things, and Honest John/Giddeon being agents, was pretty neat.

Stromboli could use 'prettied' up monsters to put on performances as a front, but actually go around the world to showcase and sell the monsters to Villians looking for some maigcal bite.

>>36459749
Isn't Once Upon A Time just live-action House of Mouse?

what with the fluff for chernobog creating this world by casting down the Nine Fathers, I could only draw comparisons to this:

“Gathered friends—listen again to our legend of the Bionicle. In the time before time, the Great Spirit descended from the heavens, gathering we—the ones called the Matoran—to this paradise. We were separate and without purpose. So the Great Spirit illuminated us with the three virtues: unity, duty, and destiny. We embraced these gifts—and in gratitude, we named our island home Mata Nui: after the Great Spirit himself."
“But our happiness was not to last. Mata Nui’s brother, the Makuta, was jealous of these honors and betrayed him—casting a spell over Mata Nui, who soon fell into a deep slumber. The Makuta was free to unleash his shadows. And unleash them he did.”

bump

>>36459997
Cherrororo I think is supposed to be a twisted Mickey or some shit

when's the night shift taking over?

>>36460468
Normally I'd be working on stuff this time of night, but I'm a bit preoccupied right now.

>>36460513
>time of night
Dude where I am its 8:34. AM

I am literally the only british person interested in this idea

>>36460548
There were a few britbongs during the 3rd playtest which I understand was 4:00PM in britbong land. Most are probably gone now though.

>>36460548
There's a couple others, I think Knightfag is in the UK somewhere too. Still, as far as the internet is concerned, Saturday morning isn't a high-traffic time.

>>36460860
dat spam doe

>>36460909
BR?

Heya. I was bored, so I figured I'd give a shot to creating a character using the information available on the Character Creation section of the wiki. I came up a little short, so I could use a bit of suggestion, but I tried to do my best considering I'm largely unfamiliar with the setting and mechanics.

http://pastebin.com/d8jJLLqS

>>36460979
>http://pastebin.com/d8jJLLqS

Dump one point of Travel into Prevent Harm, which is used to defend against ~99% of physical attacks.

>Trait
Change the bonus to Prevent Harm.

>Powers
Unless protector is a Strong Guy power you need to pick one from the Strong Guy class list on 1d4chan.

You need another 2 ideals, which are the main way you'd gain Lessons (XP).

Goals: Don't worry about these too much, they should evolve during play.

>rundown
Basically what your character is who they are and what they're good for. You've got a pretty good flying (since you're part eagle) Combat Monster character with fantastic Brawl.

>>36460979
>Big Guy
FOR YOU
/tv/ aside, you're goals are fine, you don't need 6 for a Hero. Well you could stand to move confronting Yzma to a Heroic goal, since most Kings are meant to be faced during early Hero levels.
Powers are fine.
But you need I think 1, maybe 2, more traits meng.
Also you need at least one point in Prevent Harm, which is pretty much your main defense against physical stuff. Endure is for mental attacks and status effects.
Attributes look good.
Also I'm pretty sure rundown is just a character's history/background.

>>36461078
We should really work on those class powers lists. So far there's only three each. Maybe we could slap a "[class] ONLY" label on some of the most specific generic powers?

>>36461129
his traits are fine
2 trait slots are taken up by the chimeric traits.

>>36460979
Also remember that as a Strong Guy you start with 4 Strikes instead of three and gain a free point in both Athletics and Prevent Harm.

>>36461078
>>36461129
>>36461157

Aha. Thank you; will revise! Aside from the trait thing (which, yeah; chimeric traits!)

>>36461180

>here

Also... Any suggestions on concept/fluff?

>>36459707
>Monstro
He could be the island's defense. Anyone tries to get in or out without the Coachman's permission, they get eaten.

>>36461267
looks good to me. yzmic chimeras are a bit more common than you've suggested in your backstory (they're everywhere, at least in Yzmaopolis) but it's fine. concept-wise; he's a perfectly good combat focused character who is a bit straightforward but can also fly. you'll want to pick up a wider range of skills later in your career so that you're not twidding your thumbs outside of combat.

>>36460860
Huh, would you look at that

>>36459707
>>36459792
>>36461286
This keeps getting better

>>36461351
Here's another member of Facilliers inner circle
Nobody Important, Nobody Interesting

>>36461444
>Nobody Important, Nobody Interesting
Gives GMs room to come up with stuff, always good to leave blank faces about

>>36461351
The most likely event would be the Coachman accepting one of Facilier's deals in exchange for power. Since he was turning boys into donkeys purely for profit in the movie, it's probably still money that he's after. Best trade for him would probably be the souls of the visitors in exchange for a huge fairground of debauchery to twist them.
If you wanted to bring Stromboli in on a bigger scale, you could say that the people eventually get turned into puppets and their souls go to the Friends.

bump

anyone out there?

Father forgive me
I tried not to do it
Turned over a new leaf
then tore right through it
Whatever you taught me
I didn't believe it
Father you fought me
'cause I didn't care
and I still don't understand

Father

I'm sorry

>>36463438
It's 10am in the morning on saturday, give them a little time.

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>>36459707
>Monstro
Many threads ago, we decided each ocean would have its own sea monster reigning supreme in it. I think Monstro got the Atlantic.
>>36460602
Canada, actually.

>>36463589
for me its 15:10 in the afternoon

>>36463614
And for me it's 16:12 but we continentalfags are still a minority

>>36455301
Lust is obviously Frollo, DeVille has nothing to do with lust. If anything she's Greed because her entire schtick is for the benefit of getting some luxurious coat.

And Ursula isn't gluttony either just because she's fat, all she wants is power over the sea and revenge on poseidon.

How's this for an update to chimera rules?

A chimera follows the same rules as Beast characters. To create a chimera, choose a primary and a secondary species and choose one racial trait each from the following list:

Felines: Low to the Ground OR Tree Climber
Bears: Bear Necessities OR Ursine Strength (Robustness cap increased by 2)
Primates: Wanna Be Like You OR Enhanced Mobility
Canines: Loyalty OR Pack-Member
Crocodilia: Rivergoer OR All Natural Armor
Elephants: An Elephant Never Forgets OR Terrifying
Insects: Creepy and Crawly OR Flight
Birds: Flight OR Shiny!
Horses: Plainrunner (+20m speed) OR Wild Horse (+2 Athletics and Travel)
Snakes: Cold Blooded OR Trusssst Me
Rodents: Shiny Things! OR Light Feet
Carnosaur: Tyrant Lizard OR Charge!
Stegosaurid: Too Stubborn to Hurt OR Spiked Tail
Ceratopsid: Charge! OR Two Hearts
Raptor: Clever Girl OR Thief Species
Human: one trait of choice from the genric list

Your size is the same as your primary species, shifted up to one category up or down based on the size difference of your two species. Chimeras with human or primate ancestry may use weapons and armor without problems, all others gain a set of natural weapons that give +2 Brawl.

Well it's clearly inaccurate, but it's got like ~7 characters on it, so it fits the criteria we need for a lead image.

>>36463902
Needs to be be human or primate base species. In fact, we said you couldn't take human as a modifying species, only a base species. Other than that, looks fine. You should mention that if either base species can fly, so can you.

>>36463950
Okay, what can we put in place of flight for insects and birds?

>>36463902
>>36463917
Second draft:

To create a chimera, choose a primary and a secondary species and choose one racial trait each from the following list:

Felines: Low to the Ground OR Tree Climber
Bears: Bear Necessities OR Ursine Strength (Robustness cap increased by 2)
Primates: Wanna Be Like You OR Enhanced Mobility
Canines: Loyalty OR Pack-Member
Crocodilia: Rivergoer OR All Natural Armor
Elephants: An Elephant Never Forgets OR Terrifying
Insects: Creepy and Crawly OR Absolutely Insignificant
Birds: Birdsong OR Shiny!
Horses: Plainrunner (+20m speed) OR Wild Horse (+2 Athletics and Travel)
Snakes: Cold Blooded OR Trusssst Me
Rodents: Shiny Things! OR Light Feet
Carnosaur: Tyrant Lizard OR Charge!
Stegosaurid: Too Stubborn to Hurt OR Spiked Tail
Ceratopsid: Charge! OR Two Hearts
Raptor: Clever Girl OR Thief Species
Human (PRIMARY SPECIES ONLY): one trait of choice from the genric list

Your size is the same as your primary species, shifted up to one category up or down based on the size difference of your two species. Non-human chimeras follow all rules for Beast characters, including being able to only take one trait from the generic/setting/class list at character creation. Chimeras with Human or Primate as their primary species may use weapons and armor without problems, all others gain a set of natural weapons that give +2 Brawl. Chimeras with Insect or Bird ancestry also gain the Flight trait.

Is there anything wrong or can I put it into a pastebin?

>>36464080
Some traits seem a little imbalanced. Like, both cold blooded and completely insignificant give +2 stealth plus another bonus, while low to the ground only gives you +2 stealth. There's also many traits that only boost a single skill where others boost two.

>>36455301

>Lust
>Cruella
>Not Frollo

What is I don't even.

bump

>>36463613
What were the other sea monsters?

>>36464787
Let's see.....a pliosaur from Fantasia, the Kraken, the Robot Shark, and a Hercules monster.

>>36465056
>the Robot Shark
wasn't that an Atlantean mining robot that wen't haywire and started mining everything in the Atlantic it ran into?

>>36465168
>wen't
* when't

bump

>>36464080
>Birds still can't use flight
I object to this, sir.
By the way, IRC room for magic is open. It's on Mibbit, server is AsyloIRC, channel is #DVVmagic.

>>36465607
Bugs and birds can both get flight, it's listed underneath the main section.

>>36465640
Sorry, I have a habit of not fully reading things.

>>36455301
I gotta say /tg/, I'm really enjoying this so far. It's everything I liked about Ravenloft, but Disney.

>>36466127
Bit less grim, bit more noble but yes.

>>36466127
Nice to know we're still getting new readers.

I just wanted to say hot damn, tg gets shit done, I lurk with anticipation for the game.

>>36466490
Well, we still need to do all these.
>>36456274

>>36466578
Didn't we get a Baghera one in the last thread?

>>36466688
Yeah, and it was already added to the wiki. We still need everything else though.

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King
The Horned King
Country of Origin: Prydain
Class: Deathlord (6d6k3 Intelligence, 5d6k3 Charm, 4d6k3 other stats)
Size: Medium
Species: Former Human.....we think. He's certainly some sort of undead now.

---Attributes---
Robustness: 12
Agility: 9
Intelligence: 18
Sensibility: 16
Charm: 17
Will: 4
Strikes = 4+5X, where X is the number of party members

---Skills---
Melee: 10 (16)
Ranged: 6 (12)
Prevent Harm: 10 (18)
Endure: 10
Deceit: 4
Persuasion: 5
Intimidate: 10
Academics: 5
Science : 5
Occult: 10
Linguistics: 3
Insight: 10
Music: Guess.
Craft: 5

---Traits---
Astrologer: +2 on Occult rolls when you have some form of star chart or telescope.
Punk is Dead: Immune to all effects of music, beneficial and harmful, even music enhanced by Rock and Roll Will Never Die.
Record Scratcher: When a character starts a musical number, +4 on the first offensive (Melee, Ranged, Brawl) roll towards that character.
In The Dark Of The Night: Reroll Occult checks at night and keep the better result.
Heart of Prometheus: +3 to all rolls involving Occult and Crafting simultaneously.
Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man!: +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation.
Think You Hide from Me?: +2 to Insight when attempting to detect people in Stealth. (Alternatively, people trying to hide from you suffer a -2 to their Stealth rolls, whichever works better.)
Master of an Army: He can call in his Villains to aid him in a fight if they haven’t been defeated
KING: This unit is a KING. It gets +10 to Persuade and/or Intimidate its servants to do anything if opposed in some way, and can automatically make them obey if nobody is trying to incite rebellion among them.

>CONT

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>>36467378
---Powers---
The Skull Beneath The Skin: At the beginning of each turn, make an Intimidate attack against all those who have gazed upon the Horned King or heard his voice in the last round.
Death Mage: Spend a Will point. Cast a Ranged+Occult+Intelligence attack that also causes Poison and Burn.
A GOD AMONG MEN!: Something very nasty happens when it looks like either the Black Cauldron or the Horned King himself is about to be destroyed: he rips the demonic soul of Arawn from the Black Cauldron and gains its terrible powers. He regains all his strikes and willpoints and keeps an extra die on all rolls. Furthermore, once he has no more strikes left he will assume the form of a monstrous serpent that can take strikes from only one source: Dyrnwyn.

---Equipment---
Caladbog: +6 Melee, attacks apply to all nearby Mooks and Lackeys.
Gáe Bulg: +6 Ranged, +10 if target resists with Robustness.
The Black Cauldron: You know what it does.
Armor of Annuvin: +4 to Prevent Harm (destroyed on death)
Shield of Annuvin: +4 to Prevent Harm (destroyed on death)
Various other magical items.

>>36467378
>>36467406
One less king to do. Adding to the wiki.

>>36467378
>>36467406
One out, only... twenty-two to go. Do we reallyneed to have every single one of them statted for the beta release?

>>36467378
>>36467406
>tfw when fighting the Horned King
>tfw when he calss in MR. BONES
>And Mr. Reaper
>And MOTHERFUCKIN' WYVERN
>And Madam Mim if I ever get around to stating her
>WELCOME TO DIE

I've recently discovered that I have a major issue with not paying attention to Mibbit when I have shit to do. If you tried posting before while I was idling, please be aware that I'm now actually paying attention.

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>>36467559
>HK's face when he breaks out the unspecified "Various other magical items."

WHERE ARE THE CRUNCH GUYS
GET THE FUCK IN HERE

>>36469395
They're all dead, anon.

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>Another one for the "theorical characters I'll probably never play" series.

Name: Kapi Bandar
Role: Nimble Guy
Country of Origin: Sher Khanate
Size: Medium
Species: Ape

---Attributes---
Robustness: 8/12
Agility: 12/12
Intelligence: 10/12
Sensibility: 7/12
Charm: 6/12
Will: 3/3
Strikes: 3/3

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 4(6)
Athletics: 3
Melee: 4(7)
Prevent Harm: 3(4)
Stealth: 3
Academics: 3(4)
Occult: 3
Mechanics: 3
Linguistics: 3 (human, feline, ancient hindi)
Travel: 3

---Traits---
Wanna Be Like You- 1 rank of Linguistics at character creation
Increased Mobility- +2 to Acrobatics.
Combo- If your Nimbleness exceeds that of the foe by at least 5 points, you can attack one more time in the same turn.

---Powers---
Fastest Fingers in All the Lands- Spend a Will point. You gain a +5 bonus to Mechanics, Acrobatics, and Athletics checks for the remainder of the scene.
Wind, Help My Feet to Fly- By spending a Will point you may attempt a single physics-defying feat of Acrobatics or Athletics (like running a short distance on a vertical wall or using a flight of passing birds as skipping stones to get to a nearby roof). The actual difficulty is up to the DM, and if he deems the act too impossible you are refunded the Will point.

---Ideals---
Any day away from adventure is a wasted day.
Humans and apes are pretty much cousins, why can't we just go along?
Knowledge is the real treasure, but actual shinies are nice too.
---Goals---
Zero: Unearth a forgotten treasure.
On-a-Roll: Make an archeological discovery of international importance.
Hero: Reveal the true history of the world.

---Equipment---
Twin Swords: Dual-wielded weapons, +3 Melee
Light Armor: +1 Prevent Harm
Adventuring Journal: +1 Academics
Ten foot pole, rope, mallet & stake: Can't delve without

>>36469573
Physical Description:
Dark of fur and long of limb, this remarkable example of ape wears a decorated padded vests and carries two curved swords and a battered rucksack on his back.

Rundown:
Monkeys have a very particular place in the Khanate's caste system. Sher Khan's political ties with the Kingdom of the Red Flower put the second only to the great cats in terms of rights and leeway, but exactly for this reason many see them as upstart foreigners reaping benefits they don't deserve. Kapi's modest origins and choice of career (adventurer and archeologist, or as he is often called "glorified graverobber") certainly didn't help. This is why he's always preferred the quiet of forgotten tombs and
overgrown temple to the hustle and bustle of cities and his "untouchable" human cousins to his fellow animals. Though he has achieved his dream of leaving his country and explore the wider world, homesickness can never be truly banished.

>>36469573
Hey man, we've got a functional and fully fluffed system out already. You can totally play that shit.

>>36469622
>Implying I will ever convince any of my WoD/Pathfinder obsessed friends to play this system

Hey guys, so, what's going on in this--

>>36467406

>God among men
>Caladbolg
>MOTHERFUCKING GÁE BOLG

WHAT THE EVERLOVING SHIT IS THIS

THIS NIGGA IS SCARY AS FUCK

FUCK CHERNINBRINGO, SEE THIS SHIT HERE

Do we have a villain base sheet for the bonus and stuff like the characters? Or a minimun Lessons number?

I wanna try stating up some, but I'm not sure what's the logic.

>>36470173
No, but all Villains are not the same power.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Disney_Villains_Victorious_Kings_and_Villains
Has all our completed Kings and Villains.
For a low-level King like Radcliffe, base it around the level Slim is at. For a high-level King like Jafar, base it off the Horned King or Elsa. We don't have a spec for a mid-level King like the Beast Kings, but put it roughly in-between the two.

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>>36470015
Fear not, good man! King Arthur is on our side!

I was reading the last playtest and I have a question: how does On-A-Roll mook combat work exactly?Every strike caused by the attack wipes away five mooks, or twenty if you are on Hero? There is nothing about this on the wiki.

>>36470328
That's a girl.

>>36470371

She's more of a man than most.

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>>36470328
We don't talk about that here.

>>36470335
Zeros take out one mook a punch, On-A-Roll five, Heroes 20.

>>36470415
Moot stole my picture. I wonder where it is now.

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>>36470410
>>36470328
>posting Sailor Slut instead of the Real Arthur Pendragon

Is Sabor gonna be a Villain on Queen La's domain/Africa in general?

Because I've seen Tarzan a few days ago and I feel like stating her up. She's still alive?

>>36470506
She's alive, probably one of La's more powerful minions.

>>36470328
Is it bad I laughed?

>>36470506
We also need La' KLR. All of La's minions are alive, she's hardly the type to murder her own with all that druidic shit.

>>36470517
Last time I checked, Scar had his eyes on her as a mate, and Shere Khan may or may not want her as well. Not sure about Bagheera.

>>36470582
I assume you are talking about Sabor and not La, because that's fucking weird if you are.

>>36470582
>Shere Khan and Bagheera
Please explain to me why either of them would even be aware of Sabor with the massive geographic distance between them.

>>36470656

I'm quite sure that's from a joke many threads ago.

It was along with the headcanon of Scar and Shere Khan meeting up for a smug-off and becoming friends: They both want Sabor because she's all "fuck you and your borders I don't give a shit" and goes wherever she wants, so it'd be a power thing

And after every attempt they'd both just come back covered in bruises and scratches and nobody would have the heart to comment

Just fun

>>36470656
Exactly why I said "may or may not." It was discussed in some of the earlier threads.
>>36470599
Yep, talking about Sabor. Also, we're not sure if Scar's affections are returned. Probably not.

>>36470750
>they'd both just come back covered in bruises and scratches
What nobody realises is that this actually means they DID get laid. They may now have at least one broken bone, but it was still totally worth it.

>>36470173
Villain statting guy here to answer your question.
-Role: Whatever you want it to be. Don't forget to add the appropriate bonuses from each role.
-Attributes: 50 to 55 in total, max amount in is usually 14 to 18, barring special cases such as Colloso/MR. BONES. Strikes should be 7-9 +X2, where X is the number of party members. Barring special cases like HYDRAAAAA of course.
-Skills: This is the most flexible part of the design. You can have from 5 to 9 skills. Stats for the skills should be 7 for the main ones, and 6 in all others. It's Combat Skill (Melee, Ranged, or Brawl), Prevent Harm, and Endure all should be defaulted to 6.
-Traits: Whatever fits the villain best. Anywhere from 3 - 5 traits, barring special cases. Make sure that it has the Villain trait, which gives it a +2 to Prevent Harm and Endure. Also to give Beasts the Natural Weapons trait. You can choose from the generic list if you're making a Human/Human?, the beast list if you're making a Beast, both if you're making a Chimera, you can make up your own too, just make sure they're balanced, and finally you can pick certain traits from all trait lists if it fits the Villain.
-Powers: The bread and butter of a Villain, each one (In my opinion) should have 1 Unique Power that nobody else gets. This power can be anything from a passive effect, an attack, an area changer, or something else entirely, Villains should generally have 2 - 4. Maybe 5.
-Equipment: Whatever you want. Only use if you're doing Human/Human? or a Human-like Chimera.

That's pretty much it. Oh, and don't forget a Physical Description and a Background/Story too.

>Stating Shan Yu

>Get to Powers

>Realize that nigga was basically just a superhuman juggernaut when pissed off but aside that not much

Fuck.

This might take a while

>>36463663
Yeah. A much better list would probably be...
Lust - Frollo
Greed - Cruella
Envy - Grimhilde
Sloth - Shere Khan
Wrath - Queen of Hearts
Gluttony - Scar
Pride - All of them but I guess Maleficent works okay

>>36471690
He should deal social strikes for being FUCKING INTIMIDATING.

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>>36471690
>juggernaut
>Silly Bitch, Your Weapons Cannot Harm Me!: Weapons with a bonus less than +5 do not apply their bonuses against Shan Yu

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Alright, Shan Yu statted. Hopefully. Tell me what you think

King: Shan Yu, the Conqueror of the East
Role: Strong Guy
Class: Hun Warlord/Chieftain
Country: The Hunnish Empire
Size: Medium
Species: Human
Tier: Hero

---Attributes---
Robustness: 18
Agility: 16
Intelligence: 15
Sensibility: 11
Charm: 8
Wil: 3/3
Strikes: 8 + X4 where X is the number of Party Members
---Skills---
Acrobatics: 10 (11)
Athletics: 9 (10)
Melee: 9
Ranged: 7
Brawl: 8
Endure: 7
Intimidate: 7
Prevent Harm: 8
Insight: 6
Stealth: 8
Occult: 6
Travel: 9
--Traits—

Prideful Warlord: Obtain a +3 for every combat roll against a character/party that has scored a Social Strike. Social Strikes count double. Apply this bonus to every Social Strike taken. (Remember how pissed off he got when the Emperor didn’t bow, how he took the Great Wall as a challenge, and how he went Berserk against Mulan when he recognized her?)
Think You Hide from Me? : +2 to Insight when attempting to detect people in Stealth. (Alternatively, people trying to hide from you suffer a -2 to their Stealth rolls, whichever works better.)
Master of an Army: He can call in his Villains to aid him in a fight if they haven’t been defeated
Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man!: +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation.
Tin Ear: Immune to all effects of music, harmful and beneficial.
No Wall Can Stop Me: This unit receives no penalties when going through physical obstacles (Not counting things such as snow or water)
KING: This unit is a KING. It gets +10 to Persuade and/or Intimidate its servants to do anything if opposed in some way, and can automatically make them obey if nobody is trying to incite rebellion among them.

CONT.

>>36472094

---Powers---
Ride'm!: No matter if it be some strange horse or a bony fish or an even bigger lizard, the character is capable of riding anything able to carry his or her weight.
Now You’ll Bow to Me: At the beginning of each turn, make an Intimidate attack against all those within arm’s reach of Shan Yu. Apply this twice is Prideful Warlord has been activated
Then Kneel in PIECES!: +3 bonus towards the first attack roll against characters that have resisted “Now You’ll Bow to Me”.

If someone with a little more creativity could give the powers a try, I would appreciate it

---Equipment---
(Great) Hunnish Flamberge: +4 to Melee
(Great) Hunnish Warbow: +3 to Ranged
Not all that creative or imaginative, I know, and I'm sorry. But I just couldn't think of something to properly reflect how he was in the movie aside being a huge "Fuck you, I can slice down pillars and I'll fuck up anybody that doesn't recognize my superior might"

>>36471125
Remember that Villains also get four actions a turn, so don't make their powers TOO strong.

The average Villain should have ~+25ish Prevent Harm and at LEAST +20 to attack of their method.

>>36471874
That's... all non-atlantean weapons.

>>36471690
Just give him a power that allows him to heal strikes due to his immortality, and another that gives him +2 Melee for every PC he's currently fighting.

>>36472094
>attributes
May want to drop the Agility a bit, and Intelligence down to 14.

>strikes
Jesus Moses and Mary, that's 28 strikes against a party of 5.

>skills
Intimidate should probably be up one more, stealth down by one, and he really, really needs one more rank in Endure.

>prideful warlord
That's +6 the second he's taken a social strike. He's alrady rolling +32 to Melee without it, and that brings him to +38, averaging 3 strikes apiece against an on-a-roll combat monster.
No wall can stop me is good, maybe we should add that to the generic traits list.
Powers:
Good. I like them.

>>36472160
Some magic weapons would still hurt him.

>>36472263

No, no, Prideful would only activate once every two Strikes, at least that's what I had in mind.

But I kinda get it. Made him too much of a shitstomper, then?

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>>36472312
>pic related

>>36472364
I'm just wondering how high it stacks. Shan Yu is like, the highest you get as a human king in terms of personal competence. He absolutely should be able to shitstomp an entire team of on-a-roll heroes. His +melee needs to come down about ~5 somehow because he's taking actions a turn or we need to make Prevent Harm bonuses more available.

Also, Prideful Warlord is a bit unclear as to how it actually works; It says that he gets +3 for combat rolls (melee? ranged? intimidate? Prevent Harm? Endure?) when he's taken a social strike, but also that 'social strikes count double' and that this counts for EVERY social strike taken. This means that after 5 social strikes he's at +15 due to Prideful Warlord. The phrasing just needs to be reworked, it's a good concept.

>>36472430

The way I had in mind, in vidya terms, would be something like:

>Social Strike dealt
>SS doubles
>Gain +3 Bonus

I need to rephrase it though, yeah. I just got on my phone though so I'll have to do it in a while

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>>36470328
I'm not angry, just disappointed.
You've let me down,
you've let /tg/ down,
but most of all you've let yourself down.

>>36472573
I don't get the reactions to this.

>>36472600
It's saber.
Saber is a shitty japanese attempt to cover a central myth for british culture and they turned King Arthur, King of the Britons and lord of Avalon into a cute girl so she could lust after Generic Protagonist #321's cock.

>>36472712
And?
I don't see why people are reacting to it like someone said they wanted to play a Merlin type.

>>36472712
Lots of people like Saber, on /tg/ or otherwise.

>>36472780
Because this is disney canon, not weebshit canon where all the interesting characters are lusting after some random nobody's cock. She's got no place here.

>>36472791
Well, that's a shame that they have shit taste then isn't it?

>>36472873
Then... ignore it and focus on the (fucking awesome) system?

>>36472873
>bitching about other people's taste
You're the disappointing one in this scenario.

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>>36472430
True, true......but a high quality shotgun is +5. And the mental image of Shan Yu getting blasted by a party of shotgun toting PCs grants me much mirth.

>>36467378
Shit knight, we all know how hard you fanboy over The Black Cauldron, but that motherfucker is absurd. That's a little much. You may just be a little to close to this to make him not super-OP

>>36473143
Looks fine to me. He's less deadly than Shan Yu without the ill-defined "can only be killed by x sword" power that honestly i'd just ignore.

Alright, re-stated Shan Yu incoming.

King: Shan Yu, the Conqueror of the East
Role: Strong Guy
Class: Hun Warlord/Chieftain
Country: The Hunnish Empire
Size: Medium
Species: Human
Tier: Hero

---Attributes---
Robustness: 18
Agility: 15
Intelligence: 14
Sensibility: 11
Charm: 8

Wil: 3/3

Strikes: 7 + X3 where X is the number of Party Members

---Skills---
Acrobatics: 10 (11)
Athletics: 9 (10)
Melee: 9
Ranged: 7
Brawl: 8
Endure: 8
Intimidate: 8
Prevent Harm: 8
Insight: 6
Stealth: 7
Occult: 6
Travel: 9

--Traits—

Prideful Warlord: Every Social Strike against this character counts double. For every double Social Strike taken, obtain +3 to every combat and Intimidation rolls against the character/party that inflicted it

Think You Can Hide from Me? : +2 to Insight when attempting to detect people in Stealth. (Alternatively, people trying to hide from you suffer a -2 to their Stealth rolls, whichever works better.)

Master of an Army: He can call in his Villains to aid him in a fight if they haven’t been defeated

Don't You Disrespect Me, Little Man!: +3 to Intimidate if the character has taken a Social strike in this Situation.

Tin Ear: Immune to all effects of music, harmful and beneficial.

No Wall Can Stop Me: This unit receives no penalties when going through physical obstacles (Not counting things such as snow or water)

KING: This unit is a KING. It gets +10 to Persuade and/or Intimidate its servants to do anything if opposed in some way, and can automatically make them obey if nobody is trying to incite rebellion among them.

>>36473299

--Powers---
Ride'm!: No matter if it be some strange horse or a bony fish or an even bigger lizard, the character is capable of riding anything able to carry his or her weight.

Now You’ll Bow to Me: At the beginning of each turn, make an Intimidate attack against all those within 50m of Shan Yu. Apply this twice each turn if Prideful Warlord has been activated

Then Kneel in PIECES!: +3 bonus towards the first attack roll against characters that have resisted “Now You’ll Bow to Me”.


---Equipment---
(Cold Iron) (Great) Hunnish Flamberge: +4 to Melee. +10 to resist or destroy any mystical attack or defense.

(Great) Hunnish Warbow: +3 to Ranged.

>>36473342

Also, while I'm dropping all this, are we going to play around with the ideas of Destiny or Curses and whatnot?

Because if yes, I think using Geass/Geis would be the tits.

Geass: Apply one extra Ideal or Goal to the character, and gain +2 on every stat. If the character acts against the goal or ideal, take away the bonuses and give a -2 penalty to all rolls.

Of c ourse, this shit could be easily abused (Paladin Falls syndrome) But yanno, just throwing that out

We got a lot of bitching about content the top contributors are making guys, at least add something to the equation.

>>36473342
>>36473299

So, is it fine ya'll?

Good enough to be added to the 1d4chan page? I have no idea how to mess with that, and I don't want to end up fucking up the whole page with my amoeba-level coding skills

>>36473255
But isn't he supposed to be stronger than Shan Yu

So allot the charismatic trait, is it just me or does that seem like Esmarelda: the trait?
Perhaps call it gypsy beauty?

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>>36473578
Looks great. Go for it.

>>36473255
>He's less deadly than Shan Yu
>When he has to be killed twice and the second time he's keeping 4 dice for everything
But yeah, that last bit should be changed so that he can only be finished by a magic weapon; if nothing else, he already brought two of those in with him and without any arms to wield them with they're now just lying around.

>>36473578
Seems good, just change the strikes to 7+X4 instead of X3
He's meant to be the strongest King On-a-Roll characters can face.

>>36473430
Any trait the GM rules fair is fair game. We're probably never gonna remake the paste bin.
Posting from a party, gonna fix shit in two hours or so.

>>36473682
Bewitching Allure; we shouldn't tie it to any group, and we discussed a while back that it doesn't necessarily have to be physical beauty.

Wait, do we put the Primary and Secondary stats for Villains too?

>>36473691
As it's written, Shan Yu rolls 6d6k3 and gains +~45 on all relevant combat skills while taking 4 actions a turn and having ~24 strikes.

Yes, he is less lethal than Shan Yu.

>>36473741
I would say no, just have the enemies be single-stat only I'm not too happy with the concept of multi-classing, but whatever.

>>36473716
Yeah, that sounds like a better name, was just trying to tie it with HoND but yours does that better.
I'll admit I want to make a charger with that trait just got the shot that'll happen top her/him.
Especially with Frollich.

>>36473743
Wait, wouldn't that make him more deadly than Elsa and Facilier too? Re-balance plox

Alright, I'm putting Shan Yu on the Kings page

I'll go with 4X and if balance becomes too much of a problem, anybody feel free to edit the Strikes as they see fit

>>36473813
Well Facilier does have that shadow guy shield who takes, I think, 25 hits. There's that for him.

>>36473921
Elsa should still be considerably stronker, though.

>>36473933
As far as I'm concerned, there should be two Elsa forms: House of Mouse Elsa, who is just a scared person where fighting her is like putting down Old Yeller, and Steamboat Willie Elsa, who's full-on Ice Death Goddess.

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>>36473743
6d6k3 has about the same average as 4d6, and there's that Death Mage Attack: +34, can be used up to 4 times as 6d6k3 and up to 4 times as 6d6k4, rerolling and keeping the better result if used at night....eh. We'll see how it works in the test campaign.

>>36473764
I thought of it as taking a specialty myself.

>>36473691
The problem with the way it is written is that by forcing the players to bring Dyrnwyn, you just closed the options for this encounter. That is something that you can do, but it's something to do very carefully, and on a campaign-by-campaign basis. I know that you want him to be a badass as possible because he's your favorite villain, but making him the strongest thing in the game doesn't really fit. Additionally, you just made social characters totally fucking useless against him because you can't charm someone with a sword, and even physical characters are shitty now because you just made it so only the one person holding Dyrnwyn is able to hurt him while the rest of the party sits there oohing and ahhing about how badass Arawn is. That power is unnecessary and overpowered, and I think it's just there because you like The Horned King and the Prydain series as a whole. I think you're a bit too close to this.

>>36473764
We all know how you feel about people doing more than one thing, Nob.

>>36473921
The shadow shield takes 48 hits and has pretty great saves. He has a +30 to Prevent Harm when rolling Robustness

>>36474204
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension; he now practically hands the players the means to finish him when he turns into a snake.

>>36473299
So far, Kings have gotten static Strike limits, because they are constants. Kings are not meant to scale to parties, Parties are meant to build to Kings. Dynamic Strike limits make sense for Villains, as the party doesn't necessarily know about them before they fight them, and they are introduced as an obstacle when the players are ready for them by the DM, but Kings could theoretically be fought at any time the players really go for it, although it would take a party of That Guys to try to storm a King's palace as Zeroes. Anyways, that's just the precedent I put in place when I made the first two Kings on the wiki.
Also, if we're buffing Kings this much, I may need to adjust Elsa. Expect an incoming new statline for approval.

>>36474613
And if we decide that it would be better, we can change the pre-existing Kings, but we should make them all match>>36474303

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Did anybody ask for a Leopard?

No? FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GETTING A LEOPARD, MAKE WAY FOR SABOR.


-------
SABOR

Role: Villain/Strong Guy
Class: Prime Predator
Size: Medium
Species: Leopard

Attributes:

Robustness: 12 (14 with Primal Hunter)
Agility: 12 (14 with racial bonus)
Intelligence: 10
Sensibility: 10
Charm: 7

Will: 4/4

Strikes: 5+X3, where X is the number of party members.

---Skills---

Athletics: 7(8)
Acrobatics: 7(8)
Brawl: 7 (+2 to all rolls because of Slash and Bite)
Stealth: 7
Prevent Harm: 5
Intimidate: 6


---Traits---

-Low to the Ground

+2 to Stealth rolls where visual detection is a possibility

-Pinned Ya Again

Spend a Will Point and the character may choose to roll their Brawl vs. an enemy's Robustness/Agility to pin that enemy to the ground at risk of opening up another attack on the character upon failure. Pinned enemies cannot attack until unpinned and must make a Robustness check against a character's Brawl roll to become unpinned every round until defeated or successful escape.


-Villain
This unit is a Villain. It gets +2 to Prevent Harm and Endurance.

---Powers---

-Camouflage
After each Strike dealt to this unit, roll a Stealth check without counting it towards the character's actions. Only works if there are places suitable to hide.

-Pounce
If "Camouflage" is succesfully executed, then add +4 to the next Brawl roll
What do ya'll think?

>>36474765
A leopard I would say is actually a Nimble Guy (lions and tigers are really the only big cats I'd put down as Strong Guys), but it looks good for a villain. Maybe it needs a few more stealth and intimidation traits, but it's workable. Needs Powers though.

>>36474303
But WHY does he need the special rule? As it is, you just gave him some of the best loot in the game (a sword that affects a theoretically infinite number of lackeys and Mooks, which would make all other players feel useless in an encounter if the Strong Guy used it to kill EVERYTHING and they were just sitting there on a field of corpses after one turn, and a bow that gives +10 to over half the people in the game) and decided that only Melee or Ranged people can finish him off, and social or Brawl-based characters are shit out of luck if it's their turn and the he's down to one strike. Saying that he only can die the way you want him to die limits the players' options without giving them any added challenge or enjoyment. Think of it this way. If that rule were to actually affect play, how would you as a player feel about it. I, personally, would be pissed. I just nearly beat the King, only to have the rules tell me that I wasn't allowed to because I'm a bear and I can't pick up a sword. Now I have to sit there and wait for a human to pick it up and kill the guy I just should have killed, and if we don't have a Melee or Ranged-focused human, we're going to have to run away from a fight we should have won or even suffer a TPK because none of us can pick up and use a sword or a bow. The rule is decent for flavor, but it could fuck over a party pretty terribly.

>>36474857

I hear ya, I was just in doubt between Strong and Nimble. I think my reasoning was just the sheer ammount of shit fuck-upery she did in the movie, but sure.

As for the traits, I wasn't sure how many to give her so I stayed low. I was turning her into a King-level adversary there.

And I hear ya about the powers, but I couldn't come up with good ones. "Pounce" is definitely going to be changed to apply to ANY successful stealth checks tho

>>36474857
It all depends on the particular animal. A leopard is certainly stronger than a man, and you can't really generalize. I'd have to watch Tarzan again to determine if Sabor is strong or nimble, but you can't really just categorize an entire species to be one thing, because then you have to restrict player characters as well.

>>36474927
Here's one
-Here me ROAR!
Spend a Will point. Make a social combat roll against all units with +3 Intimidation. Units that are size Small and Tiny suffer -3 to it's defensive roll.

>>36474765
You know, i hate to bring it up, but Kingdom Hearts had a neat idea. You would be constantly attacked by Sabor, and after fendening her off, she would retreat and attack later on. It wasn't until you actually started hunting Sabor herself, did she stop being able to retreat

>>36474987
I figure she should be a Strong Guy, if only because it works well with the idea that she's able to smack around Khan and Scar pretty easily. Also, from what I remember, it seemed like Tarzan was mostly the nimble one in their fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u630r-mrOKY

>>36474987
True, I just think that the average leopard is better off a Nimble Guy.

>>36474865
>But WHY does he need the special rule?
Because this is Medieval Britain, The Ulster Cycle, Beowulf, The Welsh Triads, Arthurian legend and the Mabinogion all mashed up together. The Lord of Death will not be defeated because you said something mean to him; he will fall because you used the four greatest things a warrior can have: courage, strength and skill at arms and a magic weapon.

What's the big fuss about anyways? No one said every king had to be equally vulnerable to all character types; Facilier is quite vulnerable to social characters provided you know his weakness.

Who's the voice for Chernobyl in this song cause for some reason it fits that the lord of all evil has a somewhat normal sounding voice.

>>36475554
What song meng

>>36475658
fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbh1LNQxgkk

>>36475554
>>36475678
That would be Corey Burton.

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Corey_Burton

>>36475460
Yes, but what about the situation I just presented. It won't be that uncommon to have Brawl-based or animal physical characters in a party, and they can 't use your magic weapons. I understand that you like the rule conceptually, but there is literally no circumstance I can think of where that rule makes the game more fun, just less. Flavor-wise, it's nice, but from a practical point of view, it makes the game worse to play, and that comes before all else. We want to challenge players, but not randomly. This rule at best isn't a factor, as the weapons are better than anything a player would have, (or for that matter anything in the game so far, as one has the highest bonus I've seen in the game, and the other literally lets you fell armies in close quarters), so they would steal them no matter what, and at worst, the rule snatches defeat from the jaws of victory just because "Oh well, your party makeup isn't right, you can't kill him." It's a bad mechanic, plain and simple.

>>36475460
Eh, I personally think it should be that the super special sword I us used top execute him if we have to use it, that way everyone is useful and then you can still have the flavor. Like>>36475460
unless killed with stupid sword he rises x days Later

>>36475839
Thank you.
http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Chernabog

>>36475878
But I'd he didn't do that, how will his oc- I mean HERO of the original Disney movie land the finishing blow?

>>36475884
> stupid
Fucking phone
Special sword

>>36455301
>Cruella DeVille is lust
>Captain Hook is sloth
Why?
Frollo should be lust: his lust for the gypsy girl was a major character development point for him, and helped to drive the plot. Not sure who would be "sloth" but it sure as hell isn't Hook.

>>36475919
>OC
>Arthur and Taran
Man I don't think you know what that means

>>36475878
If your party doesn't have one guy in it who can pick up a weapon and use it well, then I have to question what you're doing Prydain with a party that seems not to match its spirit in the first place. As to the strength of the weapons, that's because the Horned King is a mid to late heroic boss; once he's down, you should start checking Travelocity to see what time of year flights to Bald Mountain are the cheapest, even if there are a few other kings to take down first.

>>36476089
So basically he's second only to cherry bongo. Instead of say... Ursula or Jafar
And you need to play pretty much exactly how you day this game should be run.
Have you never thought people would I dunno... want to liberate Britain without blowing Arthur and Taran for a chance to hand them their sword?

>>36476181
Have you not being paying attention? ANY magic weapon will do the trick, and HK brings 2 of them into the room with him. Arthur and Tarn could be long dead, Excalibur and Dyrnwyn lost to the ages, and the party could still defeat him.

>>36476181
But the rule says any magic weapon I think
So you can just come in, beat the shit out of the Horned King, and get out. No Arthur or Taran involved.

>>36476181
>>36476253
And for the record, I'd put HK certainly below Maleficent, and probably below Jafar.

>>36476181
>>36476300
Hades is still high up in the rankings too.

>>36476253
>Furthermore, once he has no more strikes left he will assume the form of a monstrous serpent that can take strikes from only one source: Dyrnwyn
You really have to ask?

>>36476328
I think it goes Churned Up Bog, Fire Bird, Hades, Maleficent, then all the proper sorcerers.

>>36476342
>not reading the rest of the thread and seeing that it was amended in
>>36473691
Are you a wizard?

>>36476342
In case you can't tell that specifies Dyrnwyn as the only thing that can hurt him, not just sine magic/enchanted weapon

>>36476343

I think Jafar is definitely stronger than Maleficent

>>36476404
Fae Queen vs Most Powerful Sorcerer in the world. I think Maleficent is stronger because she's not a "sorcerer" per say because her magic is completely because of her race.

>>36476371
... how did I miss that? I swear I read it like five times and I only just now found it, I thought you were referring to the shan yu shit.

Powerful powerlevels are
Chernobog>Firebird>Hades>Ursula>Jafar>Maleficent>Elsa=Horned King=Facilier>Grimhilde=Yzma>Tzkel-Kan=Frollo

Elsa needs a buff.

>>36476439

Still, just because she doesn't necessarily fall under "sorceror" doesn't mean her magic is stronger.

I mean, sure, she's got AAAAALL THE POWERS OF HEEEEEEELL

But Jafar can fuck up a lot of shit. A lot. She turns herself into a dragon, he can make tigers into kitties and send whole buildings flying, etc.

Frankly it would be a very interesting duel. I am sincerely not sure on who I'd bet.

Maybe Jafar wins in raw power, but Maleficent has a better technique? You can't out-trick a fairy, after all. Jafar's magic would be more....Organized, if that makes any sense. It would have some sort of logic that you can see coming, sort of a reaction thing.

Maleficen'ts magic would just be bumfuck crazy.

Madam Mim would probably tell Maleficent she needs to chill the fuck out when she starts turning the trees into giantic snakes and the bushes into wild cats while transforming herself into a dragon or some shit

>>36476491
Really? I thought elsa was indirectly mute powerful that CB since the Cartographer said that churning bob found Arendell too cold for him, or his forces

>>36476550
More, not mute

>>36476550
Elsa is the most powerful SORCERER in the world. If she was concentrating on it, Arendelle would probably be quite literally impossible to trek through.
Facilier is empowered through the Friends, Jafar through Genie magic, Maleficent through being a fucking dragon, and the Horned King through stealing magical artifacts. Elsa's power, on the other hand, cannot be taken away because it comes from emotions, making her ridiculously more powerful than anybody else in a one on one no items final destination battle.

>>36476550

>Elsa

>More powerful than chrono birgnon

Nigga you crazy

The original idea is that CB doesn't bother dealing with Arrendelle because it is already MAXIMUM SUFFERING, what with being a cold land literally fueled by despair. If you run that direction, he will simply laugh as your hope freezes alongside your body

>>36476491
>>36476550
Elsa's got a lot of raw power, but not much technique and even less control.

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>>36476455
Truly, lack of reading comprehension is the real enemy.

>>36476491
>Ursula
>Mostly blubber and hot air, can't even dodge a fucking boat

>Jafar
>Can only turn into a giant snake that can be hurt by a mundane sword that he summoned himself, shit pain tolerance

FAE QUEEN STRONK!

Hey, just wondering but how we defeat chemo beta? I ask because I'm worried he's gonna be like a cutscene boss or something else disappointing.

>>36476604
Training Elsa to use her powers and shit could make a pretty decent story arc. Considering >>36476595 she technically outclasses everyone else by a mile.

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>>36476595

>Elsa is the most powerful SORCERER in the world

Do you even remember Jafar m8?

Elsa's magic is powerful, sure, but you cannot discount the other types of magic just because hers is the "natural" type.

Hell, Maleficent's magic counts as natural no-super empowerment as well and I'm willing to bet that she could fuck up Elsa all the way through the continent and into Shrek's swamp.

A fulll power in-control Elsa would probably be the fourth most powerful magic user in the world

A full power, in control and TRAINED Elsa kicks up to a tie in second place, she ties with Ursula and Maleficent.

>>36476612
Give the guy a break, he had JUST attained semi-phenomenal, almost cosmical powers. Give the guy some time to live off the hype from it and he'll learn to fuck shit up with his magic

>>36476613
By becoming STRONK
Also we haven't statted him yet

>>36476674
Jafar is the most powerful WIZARD in the world by a mile.
Elsa is the most powerful SORCERER in the world by a mile.
Even without her barely-existant power control, she's still on-par with Facilier and the Horned King, who are redonk powerful by themselves. Maleficent's magical shenangans are more powerful than Elsa's, but still, dragon.

Basically, the issue is that Knight, you are trying to make the system itself railroad the players. We can all tell that you love this particular movie and setting, but you have an incredibly specific vision for a campaign in that setting, and you are trying, unintentionally, to make a campaign instead of a setting. The campaign is for the GM, the setting is for us.
>>36476343
Not really. Maleficent isn't better than all other sorcerers, Jafar is (as his wish specified that he was the strongest sorcerer in the world). Hades, I'm not sure. Someone else will have to stat him, as I personally really dislike Disney's Hercules (I watched it last night, and it was fucking Hera who fucked him over, not Hades!) but he didn't ever actually demonstrate powers that were really that great that weren't either over his own demons or through contracts that weren't really any more powerful than Facilier's. So even though he is nominally a god, I'm not sure how his power level is. Again, I'm too close to this, so I wouldn't stat him out. I'd say something like this (With Hades not included for reasons previously mentioned):
1. My Man C-Boggy
2. Jafar
3. Maleficant (for technique), Elsa (for raw power), Facilier (if he can trick you into agreeing to anything, he can be in disguise), Ursula (but only underwater. She's the Aquaman of Disney villains)
4. La, Grimhilde, Frollo, Tzekel-Kan
5. Yzma
>>36476595
No, she isn't. Jafar is EXPLICITLY made the most powerful sorcerer in the world. I think that counts for all of the Sorcerer-Kings with the possible exception of Maleficent, because she is just a dragon. All the other methods of getting magic you named are just sorcery.

>>36476595
>>36476728
Jafar's power depends on a lot of things. If he made his second wish to be the most powerful SORCERER in the world, it'd genie-boost him past Elsa's potential.

>>36476524
>Madam Mim would probably tell Maleficent she needs to chill the fuck out when she starts turning the trees into gigantic snakes and the bushes into wild cats while transforming herself into a dragon or some shit
>implying that if the two ever met they would not have a competition to see who did the craziest spells, with a tie leading to a lifelong womance of shared mad magic and magical madness.

>>36476728
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR2Qqh-yHEU

>>36476550
It's not that she's stronger, it's more that Cherno just plain can't get a foothold. Nothing can get a foothold in Arendelle; not for long, anyway, because there's nothing there to conquer. Just a few thousand miles of ice punctuated by mindless golems and the occasional sauna. Elsa is one of the few sentient beings remaining in the entire region, which means that Cherno has to corrupt her through more indirect methods.

>>36476750
>>36476753
>>36476744
It's still wizardry because it's not his power. Jafar is only technically a sorcerer, we all know that nigga fake.

>>36476771
Ah that sounds better then.
>>36476721
Well hopefully we got something cool for him because right now he seems like a really boring fight compared to everyone else.

>>36476778
>bringing D&D distinctions into this

Please, don't.

Personally, I think Jafar should be still in Sultanmode. "Most powerful sorcerer in the world" means a whole lot more in a world where there exist sorcerers who can destroy the climate of a significant portion of the planet just by being there.

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Alright, so wait a second, let's recapitulate here

We can probably divide the magic users in small qualifications if we want to see who is got at what

Raw Power

Technique

Predictability

Ursula is full on Raw Power, and she's got a fucking lot of it. Divine Magic is not something to be fucked with, but she is incredibly predictable and her technique seems to be simple.


Jafar has a fuckload of raw power and his technique by now is probably excellent; he had time to practice. Even so, he is still human and if you know him, you can probably predict what he will do next or simply quickly adapt..

Elsa has a fuckload of Raw Power as well, but little to no technique. She'll fight extremely well and adapt in a pinch, but let's be real here, she's just flinging ice around and counting on her golems. Her emotions and lack of practice make her a lot more unpredictable though, but you can still kind of see through her logic. She's also only human.


Facilier has very little raw power. It's all about the trickery and contracts with him, and he always keeps his cards close to his chest. He has little raw power, but his technique is impecable and his impredictability is quasi-unmatched. You don't know what goes through his mind until your shadow gets yanked from under you.

Maleficent is probably the most well balanced here. As the most powerful fairy in the world, she's got a whole fucking lot of raw power. And she has lived for a long, long time, which certainly can lead us to assume she's got some perfect technique, too. And as a fairy, you can't possibly get more unpredictable than that. She might not have the biggest power level, but her overall look is the best that there is.

>>36476778
>Genie has knowledge of D&D definitions
>Jafar wishes to be most powerful sorcerer
>"Alright, buddy"
>Jafar tries to utilize his new powers through the magical items and book spells at his disposal
>doesn't know he has tremendous natural magic power now
>if he did know, he doesn't know how to use it
>laughinggenies.jpg

>>36476744
What this sucker said right here. Knight is making a campaign, not a setting. And it feels like he's railroading players as a result.

>>36476778
>I WISH TO BE THE MOST POWERFUL SORCERER (pause for effect) IN THE WORLD!
Doesn't matter what the hell he was before, genie granted the wish and the wish was for sorcery better than everyone on earth at that moment. Whether its a constant check style that makes his power fluctuate based off of living sorcerers or its just a one time deal he's the best. Also, it ain't DnD sorcerer and wizard are interchangeable to the rest of the world.

Ay, I'm back.
>>36476821
This guy is correct.


Does anything need updating? Does anyone need songs?

>>36476860
A song for Ursula about her power and those who defy her, and how foolish they are. Possibly include the EITC as well in the sung.
Pretty please?

>>36476905
I'll scrap it up.

>>36476821
You get it nigga
But what about the Horned King?

>>36476917
Thank you!

>>36476929
Haven't seen the movie but from what I've heard he just mostly teleports, so low power (unless we include the cauldron) at least.

>>36476929

I am not familiar with anything concerning the Horned King, so I don't feel confident enough to say much about him. Is it him doing sorcery, or does he only count on the cauldron?

Also, I can try to whip up a sort of stats for the sorcerors. Just give them 1-10 in Power, Technique, and Predictability to get some sort of image

>>36476929
Notable power and control, but only a narrow variety of ways to use it. Hoarding magic items compensates for the latter.

>>36476929
Horned King is quite powerful - strong enough to give Maleficent a sweat, though perhaps not to beat her. If he were to tap into the power of the Cauldron full-on, he might even contest Jafar. He also has excellent technique. However, he's a very no-nonsense guy, and prefers the most direct solution.

>>36476965
Ursula: Power 8, Technique 4, Unpredictability 3
Jafar: Power 9, Technique 7, Unpredictability 6
Elsa: Power 9, Technique 2, Unpredictability 3
Facilier: Power 1, Technique 9, Unpredictability 8
Maleficent: Power 8, Technique 8, Unpredictability 8
Horned King: Power 6, Technique 7, Unpredictability 2

>>36476821

RAW POWER:
Trident>Elsa>Jafar/Maleficent>>>>>>Facilier
TECHNIQUE:
Facilier>>Maleficent>Jafar>>>>>Ursula>>>>>>Elsa
PREDICTABILITY:
Facilier>>Maleficent>>>Jafar>Elsa>>>>>>>Ursula

I like
>>36477082
more than
>>36477074

Song is about halfway done. Showtune was easy to find.

>>36476821
>>36476949

Lemme see.

URSULA:

Raw Power: 10
Technique: 6
Unpreditability: 5

JAFAR

Raw Power: 10
Technique: 8
Unpredictability: 7

Elsa (Unstable)

Raw Power: 8
Technique: 4
Unpredictability: 7

Elsa (Stable)

Raw Power: 8
Technique: 6
Unpredictability: 5

Dr. Facilier:

Raw Power: 4
Technique: 8
Unpredictability: 9

Maleficent:

Raw Power: 9
Technique: 10
Unpredictability: 10

.

And as I said, I don't know about the Horned King, so I'll stop here

This is just my own version of things, of course. If you disagree, do tell, this is an interesting discussion; it might make people prepare campaigns for the sorcerer-kings in very different ways and give the challenges a fresh feel even if the king is weaker than the last one

>>36477082
I think Jafar is going a bit low in Predictability, considering that from what we saw, he seemed to have a lot of variety in what he did, while Elsa was just "ICE ICE ICE ICE ICE."

>>36477123
Elsa's raw power should be higher than Maleficent's and at least equal to Jafars. She literally froze over a million miles of land to death-causing tempratures without trying. It can be thought her full power is fucking massive, but her technique and emotional control is shit, especially when unstable.

>>36476778
you take your D&D definitions and gtfo.
>>36476832
Agreed. Jafar is a sorcerer-sultan and has better power and technique than anyone, as he is explicitly the most powerful in the world and has had the time and temperament to refine his technique. Depending on how the Genie's powers work, it is actually entirely possible that his power would grow to the level of the most powerful sorcerer in the world.
>>36477165
Jafar gets highest power, and very high Technique, as well as high variety. Elsa does have high power, but isn't better than him, because that was explicitly stated. I think you overestimated Maleficent though. Her actual powers in Sleeping Beauty weren't immense, with turning into a dragon being her ultimate trump card, so 9 is a bit much.

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Alright, new proposal for the Horned King:

>A GOD AMONG MEN!: If the Horned King runs out of strikes and the Black Cauldron is not yet destroyed, then in an act of desperation he will draw Arawn's dark powers into himself. This restores him to full strikes and will points. Furthermore, so long as no one has made the ultimate sacrifice to destroy the Black Cauldron's powers forever, he gains +4 to all rolls cannot fall again even if he has no strikes left.....unless the final strike comes from a magic weapon. If the Black Cauldron is depowered while he has no strikes left or is within maximum strikes minus remaining strikes meters away from the Black Cauldron, the Horned King will be sucked in and gruesomely destroyed.

Now you don't even need opposable thumbs or competence in battle to kill him.

>>36477165

Yes, but she did that over the course of quite some time in this setting.

She's got the potential to dish out a lot, but the real high-fighters can dish out the serious pain over the years and in an instant as well

Sing to the tune of “Ya Got Trouble” – The Music Man, 1962 Version. Ludicrously modified.
URSULA
Well, either you’re closing your eyes
To a situation you do not wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of my magnificent self in your community
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here
I say trouble, right here, right now
Why I’m the biggest best player
Certainly mighty proud to say it
All the futile hours that you spend
Struck down by the golden trident in my hand
Help knock you into some sense
So keep your cool little head
And just accept what I give
An iron-clad leave to yourself
With a three-wheel farming lot
But just as I say,
It takes judgment, brains and maturity to be
As magnificent as me,
I say and boob kin take
And shove it in his pocket
That call that sloth
The first big step on your road
To the depths of deg-ra-day
I say you’re safer with me
You’re better with me
And the next thing ya know
You won’t be forced ta be begging for money
In a raggedy suit
And list’nin bout the big-shot ‘Sula
When instead ya could be gambling for ‘em.
Not some wholesome trottin’, no!
Join the race where I set ya right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy
Sitting on your horse? Make your blood boil?
Well, I should say.
Friend, lemme tell ya what I mean
Ya got two, three, four, five, six people you could go two
People that make no difference
Between the gentleman and the bum
With a capital ‘U’
And that rhymes with ‘B’ and that stand for best!
Come all week long your river city
Youth’ll be fritten away
Your young men’ll be smitten
Fritten away their noontime with the glorious magnanimous
Hilariously boundlessinous
Pulling danellioniounous
The great amazing poundianble Ursula!
P.S.
chill out everyone

get it lol

>>36477282
You kept the same magic weapon bullshit and just added a condition that he can't go too close to the source of his powers. It's incredibly simple. Just remove your magic sword bullshit and it's fine the way it was originally. I don't get why you are so devoted to this concept.

>>36477385
Read it again. You can kill him with no magic weapons, just with your courage and selflessness, like Gurgi did.

>>36477385

He put a normal way in there as wrll, c'mon now

By now it's pretty acceptable

That's it. I'm sick of all this "+5 sword" bullshit that's going on in the DVV system right now. Magic swords deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine magic sword in Camelot for 200 crowns (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut overpowered custom enemies made to make me look good with my magic sword.

Magic smiths spend years working on a single magic sword and enchant it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Magic swords are thrice as sharp as non-magical swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a normal sword can cut through, a magic sword can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a magic sword could easily bisect any Villain with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Camelot? That's right, they were too scared to fight the magical King Arthur and his Excalibur. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the magic swords first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Magic weapons are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the DVV system. Here is the stat block I propose for magic swords:

+20 against anything using Prevent Harm, affects every creature that draws breath with a single slice

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of magic swords in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = magic swordz need to do more damage in DVV, see my new stat block.

>>36477523
Dude like
why are you being this assmad

>>36477650

>He doesn't know about the old copypasta

>>36477708
Who the fuck doesn't know the old copypasta
But this dude's just being assmad at Knightfag
I think
Unless that is Knightfag

>>36477455
The point is just that the magic weapon rule doesn't add anything interesting to the game, it's just a way to flavor an enemy to fit a certain concept, like a lot of that King actually.
He has 9 traits, one of which is just Super-Tin-Ear and one of which fucks over anyone who sings, because Knight didn't envision music in this fight, and has a power "that also causes Poison and Burn". The observant among you will notice that "Poison and Burn" are both not actually effects that exist in the system.

>>36477385
But... we don't Need the said anymore.
>>36477282
Thanks actually
>>36477356
Thanks Sverd

I know it's not on the KLR list, but I should probably make one for the Queen of Hearts since she's been running Wonderland into the ground with Alice AWOL.

>>36477802
>But... we don't Need the said anymore.
Can you please clarify?

>>36477797
Music still helps allies though

>>36477838
Yes, but he stuck in this trait:
>Record Scratcher: When a character starts a musical number, +4 on the first offensive (Melee, Ranged, Brawl) roll towards that character.
so if you sing, HK get a bonus against you because you are trying to do something that doesn't fit Knight's vision for the fight.

>>36477797
>"Poison and Burn" are both not actually effects that exist in the system.
The fuck you on about
Poison causes an extra strike in damage
Burn acts the same as poison except the damage comes in 2 turns later
Hydra has poison attacks for example
Cerberus has burning attacks for example

>>36477888
Fair point, perhaps it should be changed a little, but if it's a song of don't get hit that can actually at worst cancel each other out.
Besides that's actually funny when he does it.

>>36477933
Wait I just realized I need to change burn rules. Because it's pretty much a shitty poison. Combo of freezing and poison would probably be good.

-Burning
This creature's attacks can inflict burns. Burns act like Poison, but the effect comes in to affect 2 turns after the Burn is inflicted. Number of Strikes inflicted can stack. Burned units suffer -1 to Robustness and Agility until the Strikes are inflicted.

That seems better.

By the way, the non-magical method to shut down the cauldron is literally suicide. You have to kill your own PC by tossing them into the Cauldron to shut it down, or else use the sword he wants you to use. As for the distance effect, I'm not sure how that would work, as this game isn't on a grid or a board of any kind, so that would be really hard to set up.
Anyway, I guess my overall feeling, and the reason that this argument lasted so long, is that this is the least Disney fight in the game. The Horned King would make a brilliant enemy in a d20 system or another more serious system. He is a straight-up high fantasy evil king style villain, and that is what those systems do best.
>>36475460
>This is Medieval Britain, The Ulster Cycle, Beowulf, The Welsh Triads, Arthurian legend and the Mabinogion all mashed up together.The Lord of Death will not be defeated because you said something mean to him; he will fall because you used the four greatest things a warrior can have: courage, strength and skill at arms and a magic weapon.
This is not what a Disney system is meant for. This is D&D. "Medieval Britain, The Ulster Cycle, Beowulf, The Welsh Triads, Arthurian legend and the Mabinogion all mashed up together" is pretty much a standard medieval fantasy world, and that is what D&D is for. What we are doing right now is trying to compromise between a Disney world and a stock fantasy setting, and the results aren't great.

>>36477837
Fuck my phone, I meant to say sword our magical item. We can literally win via BEAR HANDS.
Also gives a rain that the king doesn't just take our Scotland... sorta

>>36478182
Just to be sure, does enchanted claws count as magic weapons?
If it does we cigs easily kill him, without the sacrifice with many many people's help.

>>36478337
Are enchanted claws a thing? I remember there were metal claws in the second playtest that gave +3 and we decided to make hard to find on the same level as masterwork items because Sir Bruin was OP as fuck, but I've never heard of anyone having enchanted claws

>>36478395
Hmm do potions count as magic either?
If it dies that brings in the idea of killing horny by drinking a tiger Potion and pouncing him.
Enchantment in claws are probably either rare or magic from magic allies (perhaps mad madam mim).

Did we keep the part where Alemanda Slim can yodelize anyone that knows animal, not just animals?

>>36478473
Potions wouldn't count, Knight specified that it must be a weapon.
>>36476089
I>f your party doesn't have one guy in it who can pick up a weapon and use it well, then I have to question what you're doing Prydain with a party that seems not to match its spirit in the first place.
He also seemed to be saying that only a certain type of party should do this, which is apparently a primarily human party of noble adventurers who shall prove their worth by making King Arthur get up off his ass and save the kingdom and become Knights of the Round Table and so on and so forth. Again, it's a campaign, not a setting. If people want to fight the Horned King by being as close to the Lloyd Alexander books as possible, that's great, but they should also be able to do it with an assassination attempt, a squadron of bears, a peasant uprising, or blowing up a whole castle with him inside using a shitload of dynamite like a Sunnydale High graduation ceremony. More options is better. If we can build an open world with obstacles in it, we're doing great, but if we turn a nation into a campaign that can only be played one way, we have a problem

Oh my god I go away for a day and you kids are smoking and arguing about magical swords, stattintg magic, and generally starting a shitstorm.

What's up on the chopping block?

>>36478809
It's mostly arguing on what to do with horned king.
I personally think that it's fine now with>>36477282

>>36478809
People are fighting about Knight's Horned King.
Particularly one rule about him only being killable with a magic sword, although he suggested that there are three methods to kill him.
1. Kill yourself
2. Make him walk too close to a cauldron (which is weird because the game has no map or grid, but could work)
3. Magic weapons

Personally, I say skip all the bullshit and just remove the rule as a whole, but he seemed really attached to it

>>36478848
Still don't like the whole "need a magic weapon" thing since Knight is vastl underestimating how hard it'll be for someone unskilled with weapons to hit the Horned King, but hey. Now he just gets to take potshots at you outside of the cauldon's range unless someone is willing to throw their character into the trash extremely late in their development, having to roll a new character at like, the third to last session, but okay.

>>36478895
I guess I just figure you can ask a... wizard or sorcerer to enchant your claws (assuming you're a party of BEARS) so you can kill his ass. I mean, magic using guys are everywhere and I can't imagine anyone bring against the idea of the horned king being dead.

>>36478895
I agree that it doesn't really add anything to the game and it seems just bizarre. Strawpoll?

I just realized, if we got Mor'du to the horned king and got them to fight, could Mir'du win with his magic bearness?

>>36478946
Perhaps, though I think we've reached a good compromise myself

>>36478940
actually, despite what you might suspect from what people in this thread say, wizards aren't everywhere. It's pretty magic-light as far as non-villains are concerned.

How about you have to kill the Cauldron before killing the Horned King? Since the Cauldron is pretty much his main source of power.

>>36479218
Admittedly I was thinking we'd use maleficent or triple M fit that purpose, maybe seek Merlin out. But that might nit be very Disney to manipulate the magic villains and such.

http://strawpoll.me/3094209
Strawpoll for the Horny King

>>36479639
... we probably should have held this at 7 or something.

>>36479678
I'll post it again tomorrow morning if not many people vote, then

>>36479639
In my opinion, Horned King should be sort of a puzzle boss. Facing him is pretty hopeless, you need to keep him distracted from the cauldron long enough for someone else to do something about it.
Having someone willingly hop in the cauldron is one way, but we can always Disney Magic up another solution if we really want.

>>36479705
I like that idea, but this is a poll specifically about whether or not he should need a magic weapon or a kamikaze to kill him. I voted no, because I don't think that rule makes anyone enjoy the game more, and it can make someone enjoy the game much, much less, because they weren't metagaming enough to look up the boss' weakness before going in, and now they have to kill themselves because they made the mistake of having an Elk Strong Guy because it was more interesting than Brave Knight No.478.

>>36479705
Just stat the cauldron with incredibly high robustness, but no way to attack or do anything. But give it a weakness. So you can bruteforce it, suicide to destroy it, disney magic it, or find it's weakpoint and destroy it.

>>36479821
Wait wait wait
What if we TAPE a magic weapon like a lance or something on the animal
What happens then

>>36479821
Nigger it's disney
Brave knights are the name of the game.

>>36479854
but you shouldn't be restricted to them. It's not bad to have a really fucking generic character, but for god's sake, don't force people into it.

>>36479852
OR you can get a saddle with a holster facing forwards, and put the weapon in there.
OR a metal case that's on the side or top of the animal you can put the magic weapon
OR you can get something like a robot arm or some shit to wield the weapon
OR just do magic
OR polymorph and shit
Dude the possibilities are endless

>>36479852
YOU'RE MY KIND OF PERSON
Anyways, FUCK THIS SHIT: IMMA STAT OUT A BEE STRONG GUY! ALSO. ALLCAPS NOW! THE VOICE IN YOUR HEAD SHOULD BE YELLING THESE WORDS!
Okay, okay, here's how this shit goes down.
This isn't some fucking pansy-ass lone bee, no, this motherfucker is a QUEEN bee. This bitch is all up in everyone's business, but it's okay, cause she's the fucking boss. So, I'm not sure how to make this new beast race, but we're gonna figure this shit out together. It'll be a hive that'll be on the back of a friendly horse or some shit, and you will basically play as a full swarm of bees whenever you do shit. You guys think this is a great 3 AM idea for a character?

>>36479938
Good concept, you turned a bee into a wasp.

>>36479968
how? please explain. I mean, nothing against wasps, just want to know

>>36479988
A strong bee that fucks everything is pretty much a wasp.

Also, my fucken bee would have no fuckin trouble with a horny-ass king, cause she'll just fukken' send a drone in to go kill itself, and it'll be all noble and expendable and shit

>>36480031
>>36479938
ALRIGHT NIGGA LET'S DO THIS
YOU WANNA PLAY AS A SWARM OF BEES RIGHT?
YOU WANNA BE IN A SUIT OF ARMOR, OR JUST AS A HIVE ON A HORSE?

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FUKKEN BEES!
Size Miniscule!
Natural weapons: Stingers provide +2 to Brawl
Racial Traits:
Creepy and Crawly: One rank of Intimidate, and your size is never a problem in an Intimidate roll.
Flight: Whether an incredible jump or actual wings, you possess the ability to stay airborne pretty much indefinitely.
Absolutely Insignificant: +2 on Stealth rolls, and another +2 against Humans.
Quick-legged: +2 to Prevent Harm checks.
Attributes: -2 Robustness, +2 Intelligence, +2 Agility
Size: +4 agility, +2 Agi cap, -2 Robustness

>>36480087
SUIT OF ARMOR IS WAY FUCKING BETTER! YOU'RE A GODDAMN GENIUS!

FUKKEN BEES IN FUKKEN ARMOR BECAUSE BEES!
Size: Medium!
Natural weapons: Stingers provide +2 to Brawl
Racial Traits:
Creepy and Crawly: One rank of Intimidate, and your size is never a problem in an Intimidate roll.
Proportional Strength: Insects can carry several times their own weight: +2 Robustness cap.
Drones: Can send out little flying fuckers to gather information or pick up small objects. These lil fuckers are dumb, but can report back to you so long as they don't have to make any decisions on the way. They get +2 to stealth, and an additional +2 against humans, on account of being tiny and shit
Amorphous: +2 to Prevent Harm checks.
Attributes: +2 Robustness, +2 Intelligence, -2 Agility

>>36480182
actually, take out Creepy and Crawly for balance reasons and because NOBODY EVER HAS TO FIND OUT THAT YOU ARE REALLY BEES!

>>36480093
NAW NIGGA
THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE POWER OF BEES
BOOM

BEES
SIZE: MINISCULE, BUT STILL LARGE ENOUGH TO FUCK YOUR SHIT
Natural weapons: Stingers provide +2 to Brawl
Racial Traits:
HoneyHoneyHooney, Honey!: Spend a Will point to produce sweet delicious honey. Can be used to reduce an enemies Agility by 2, or restore one strike. Ursine characters suffer -4 Agility from the honey.
FOR THE SWARM/BUZZ DANCE: Spend a Will point to call up your bee-bros to fuck some shit up. Grants +3 Robustness and another action for the next two turns. If HoneyHoneyHooney, Honey, amount produced is tripled.
Flight: Whether an incredible jump or actual wings, you possess the ability to stay airborne pretty much indefinitely.
Absolutely Insignificant: +2 on Stealth rolls, and another +2 against Humans.
Attributes: -1 Robustness, +2 Agility, +1 Charm
Size: +4 agility, +2 Agi cap, -2 Robustness

>>36480182
THAT'S GOOD TO
BUT DON'T FORGET TO ADD HONEYHONEYHOONEY, HONEY
ALSO I GUESS YOU CAN USE WEAPONS AND SHIT TOO

>>36480093
>>36480206

So wait--it's a sentient bee cloud directed by a queen?

>>36480182
>>36480194
Sir Manybee, the renowned Humming Knight of Hiveshire.
Beloved by the peasantry and gentry alike, fighting for queen and country.
His enemies declare him to be an insufferable drone.

>>36480223
FUCK YEAH IT IS!
FUKKEN BEES IN FUKKEN ARMOR BECAUSE BEES!
Size: Medium!
Natural weapons: Stingers provide +2 to Brawl
Racial Traits:
HoneyHoneyHooney, Honey!: When those other fuckers are sleeping, you are producing sweet delicious honey.Can be used once per day to reduce an enemies Agility by 2, or restore one strike. Ursine characters suffer -4 Agility from the honey.
Proportional Strength: Insects can carry several times their own weight: +2 Robustness cap.
Drones: Can send out little flying fuckers to gather information or pick up small objects. These lil fuckers are dumb, but can report back to you so long as they don't have to make any decisions on the way. They get +2 to stealth, and an additional +2 against humans, on account of being tiny and shit
Amorphous: +2 to Prevent Harm checks.
Attributes: +2 Robustness, +2 Intelligence, -2 Agility

bump limit

>>36480363
Wait
Do you have natural weapons
Do you just fuck up people with your fists
Or do you wield actual people weapons, like swords and shit

>>36480363
Proportional strength is incredibly, incredibly strong. I'd recommend replacing it with Flight as a trait.

>>36480380
people weapons, sorry about that. Forget the natural weapons
>>36480424
It's lifted from a Carnosaur, and flight wouldn't make sense, because the armor is too heavy. What if it just raises the cap by 1?

>>36480363
>>36480455
Wait hold on
Let me modify that Honey trait just a bit.

HoneyHoneyHooney, Honey!: When those other fuckers are sleeping, you are producing sweet delicious honey. Honey can be used to reduce an enemies Agility by 2, or restore one Strike. Ursine characters suffer -4 Agility from the honey. One Honey stack is produced once per day. Stacks up to 15 stacks. Excess honey must be either sold, used, or discarded.

Better right?

>>36480455
Carnosaurs get it because they are Giant beasts who can't fit inside or use equipment. As it stands, any bonus is literally creating a better human -- there's no reason to play a human strong guy over a strong guy MADE OF BEEEEES!

Also, all stat increases/decreases are by multiples of 2.

>>36480499
>>36480499
>As it stands, any bonus is literally creating a better human
To be fair, he doesn't get any Powers or Traits from the generic list for humans creation, and only gets a total of 3 to 4 Powers/Traits

>>36480561
*for humans during character creation

>>36455309
Huh... where did the Adventurer's Almanac go? And am I remembering wrong or did we have two documents for the rumor mill?

>>36480561
Well, the power is good -- actually, you could probably upgrade it to heal two strikes and it'd still be balanced. But Beasts are only supposed to gain 2 racial traits (+1 more if they have Flight/Swimming quick as a core part of their race) so they have one trait to use generically. Amorphous already is among of the best traits in the game as far as beasts go (very few things provide bonuses to prevent harm, and you can wear armor on top of that!) and you already can use Equipment, so you should probably drop Proportional strength and it'd be balanced against the other Beasts.


It's a great concept by the way -- I'd love to see it in Tuesday's playtest if you're interested. bonus lessons for each time you say "we are bees" or "we are bees, we hate you." Any idea what you're going to call the species in general? Armored Swarm? Hive-mind?