Is there an archive? Link please

>>36445264

I just had a minor bolt of inspiration regarding Dawn and her personal mana drain.

Living beings create mana. Dungeons create monsters. The monsters themselves create mana also, and while in the dungeon they create mana normally.

Dungeons are also living creatures.

The monsters personal mana that is created in the dungeon environment is instead sucked by the dungeon itself.

So a dungeon consumes the mana produced by the creatures in it, while providing and environment where the monsters can create personal mana. If they leave, they die. The only way to let them leave is to kill the dungeon heart.

Thus we need to go to a dungeon heart with Okaba and Asmund, to investigate it a bit. It might help make progress in Dawn's condition.

>>36429695
>well, Stella's is full of snacks, and Zoe's is full of toys and souvenirs she treasures

Somehow I see an explosion of snacks, like a cornucopia or pinata if Stella turns off her slave job, and Zoe's to sudden produce a bunch of toys, like if santa's bag exploded in a room.

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>>36445298
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Eldric%20Lightbringer

>>36445264
The count looks down at the crystal array's display and announces with a excited voice that, indeed, the generator is working, steadily and producing about 5 mana a minute.

"Does it look like it's overcharging, or burning out?" ~Asmund asks while continuing to monitor the display on the crystal array
"It looks steady" ~says Okaba~ "Amazing, really. This was really meant to just find the frequency before burning out"

The small cilinder holds a rockit plate in its middle, so that the plate with the magic circuits can float over it without being affected by anything else.

"Try turning it off" ~suggests Okaba
"How?" ~says Eldric~ "We didin't really thought of that"
"You two onelife special snowflakes empty the lab" ~says Asmund~ "Give me party, and I'll try and just lift the plate. Worst case scenario, I explode and need a few rounds to reform"
"I seriously doubt 5 mana a minute will be enough for that." ~says Okaba~ "At most, you may lose a finger. And we can't use regeneration spells on your longtoothed self"

>Support Asmund's idea and evacuate the lab while he tries to just lift the plate off. Just in case
>Support Okaba and let him lift the plate
>You know, guys, perhaps we should try moving it outside of the city before trying to force it to stop?
>Other

>>36445415
>>Other
Let us lift the plate. If by some miracle it does 400k damage, we still have our reraise ring.

>>36445319
that all sounds correct, remember dungeons eat adventurers

>>36445415
Updated character sheets, now with Albion XP factored in : https://www.dropbox.com/s/q7r4mtc8agvm88t/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v2.3.ods?dl=0

Standouts this time are Brass, Dad, and Danred.

>>36445415
>>You know, guys, perhaps we should try moving it outside of the city before trying to force it to stop?
if it does reach a critical point the power could be great
we take it well outside use metal walls to contain it then try

>>36445439
This sounds good. Added bonus would be it actually killing us, since that would unlock dreadnought.

>>36445455
what do I need to read this in is there a pdf or something I cant get any thing useful from this at all. :(

>>36445523
It's an openoffice spreadsheet, so just download and install that.

>>36445439
this but we should still take it well outside the city.

next one we build has levers/switches to separate the plates, and A emergency acid/explosion spell to self destruct if it get out of hand/captured.

>>36445415
>>Other

Evacuate the Lab.

Then form a few quick earth walls just in case. maybe as a funnel to a chimney.

Too bad we can't use a golem with a core to just be a lab assistant.

Otherwise, just go ahead and move it out of the city and do the same thing.

>>36445547
I have been trying to open word lol

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>>36445439
>>36445499
>>36445572
>Let us lift the plate. If by some miracle it does 400k damage, we still have our reraise ring.

>>36445479
>moving it outside of the city before trying to force it to stop

"Alright, you know what, I'm lifting the plate" ~says Eldric~ "I'm the one that put it there anyway"
"That is hardly a valid reason" ~says Okaba~ "Since it is our experiment"
"Are you not also an adventurer? can't we just teleport with it into a dungeon and do it there?" ~suggests Asmund
"I am not eager to see what happens when you place a mana generator inside of a mana generator" ~says Okaba
"Uhmm... now I really want to see that" ~says Asmund~ "But let's relocate beyond the city limits on this pa-"

While the count is talking, Eldric lifts the plate. He burns the skin of his fingertips, but then the plate stops.

"Ouch"
"That was much too reckless!" ~shouts Okaba as he reaches forth to take the plate from Eldric hands so he can cast healing on himself
"It's just 5 mana a minute, that sounds as dangerous as a triple A battery"
"What is that?" ~asks Asmund with some interest~ "Some artillery piece?"
"It's not that kind of battery"

Okaba makes a copy of the diagram on the carbon plate, and stores both away.

"We need to start working on a working prototype with an actual off switch." ~says Eldric after casting a 1st sphere healing spell on himself
"Oh, that reminds me. I've been meaning to ask you for a while now. How do you cast spells without chants?"
"Well, it's a matter of muscle memory, I think"

1/?

>>36445776
That actually reminds me, did we manage to teach chantless casting Mako, Stella and Zoe?

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>>36445912
I assume so

>>36445776
"Young Eldric believes chants are merely a mnemonic shortcut to channel mana through one's body" ~says Okaba
"Since I am looking at it work. I'd have to agree" ~Asmund says as he stretches an arm and tries to cast without talking~ "It is considerably difficult, but I can tell the mana is there without a chant."
"I think anyone could cast without a chant, but it must be hard to do for a mage of talent that has practiced it that way hundreds or thousands of times. You are trying to go against your own training right now"
"Uhmm. Perhaps the chant could at least be shortened a little?" ~the count keeps trying to do the usual spellcasting gestures as he talks
"One project at a time" ~says Okaba, walking over to the blackboard against the southern wall of the lab~ "Let's start working on a new generator model. One we can turn on and off"

They are all still discussing about this when Lyann and mom pick up Eldric from the lab.

"Mom, I was doing important work!" ~says Eldric, somewhat embarrased to be picked up by his mom
"I know, but I wanted to go home together." ~she greets Asmund and Okaba politely, and they return her greeting likewise.

Outside, Stella and Zoe are waiting for us while talking to a number of their admirers. They are popular with pretty much all the boys.

We shoo them off, while mom smiles seeing us taking care of them, then we all make our way back together.

Mom straightens out Zoe's jacket, and makes sure her hair is caught out of the way of her eyes as we start walking back

2/?

>>36445264
are we ever going to meddle in with the dawn/okaba relationship?
those two really need help

>>36445589
By popular demand, updated character sheets in excel format: https://www.dropbox.com/s/fg7iksrv9snvs04/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v2.3.xls?dl=0

>>36445935
>that delicious image
wow.

>>36446008
your the best man

>>36446008
huh, why would anyone want them in excel format?

>>36446008
>>36446065
also, can you post the updated version in ods format too, please?

>>36446085
Scroll up.
>>36445455

>>36446088
thank you, sorry for my failure to read
captcha: dullard

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>>36445935

"You know, we could have taken a chariot"
"Not on a teacher's salary" ~says mom~ "And I enjoy walking home with everyone" ~she adds before we offer to pay for it

Stella seems to enjoy leaving footprints in the muddy road. Mom notices her looking at her shoes, and warns her before it goes beyond that.

"No taking your shoes off, young lady"
"B-but mom...!"
"You want to leave muddy footprints all over Ellie's clean floors again?"
"No, mom" ~she says, adorably lowering her ears like a chastized puppy

A few weeks after that, the new generator is running quietly. Seemingly working without any problems.

"So" ~says Asmund while sitting on a chair by his own desk and sipping some tea~ "What do we do with it, now? it is now real, it is working."
"Almost as important, where do we want it to work? can we trust the magocracy with it? I haven't see these mages do a single thing for the city they rule nor the people living on it" ~says Okaba

>We used their facilities, and it is undeniable that without their university, we would have never met, let alone come up with this. I think we owe them a full report, at the very least
>As long as EVERYONE gets their own generators, the balance of power should remain the same
>We should move the generator into a minor town and begin seeing ways in which we can improve life there. Think of it as a test run
>Other

>>36446111
>>We should move the generator into a minor town and begin seeing ways in which we can improve life there. Think of it as a test run
Wizards: No sense of right and wrong, etc.

Though I would like to try hooking up one of these generators to an alchemist golem core and seeing what happens.

>>36446111
>can we trust the magocracy with it?
hell no. we actually interacted with them and they appear to be completely amoral.

I say we don't trust any existing power with it.
Considering we are all future rulers of our respective nations, I say we wait until we are in power to use it.
And in fact, even then we should keep it as secret as possible unless necessary, since we want to avoid tipping off other powers and having them reinvent it.
Or unless we invent something that uses it in a way that both improves quality of life significantly and requires revealing the power source behind it.

>>36446111
Sbastia-style enchantments use mana on the order of 1 per minute, right?

How did okaba enchant his caterpillar carriage? Or, said another way, how many sbastia-style enchantments would be necessary to replicate it?

>>We should move the generator into a minor town and begin seeing ways in which we can improve life there. Think of it as a test run
We're at the very least giving the coalition this tech, starting with eopolis.

>>36446219
I would like to investigate the eopolis government in further detail instead of blindly trusting it. Our family might be religiously significant to its people, but that doesn't mean the actual government is run by saints.

>>36446264
The dungeon we're supposed to protect is in the city, so even if the ruling class is corrupt we can't leave. We just have to clean house.

>>36446219
to continue >>36446264
its also worth mentioning that "give it to my city and not yours" seem a bit selfish and unfair.
on the other hand, desmond does want to kill his father because his father is a monster.

okaba intends to do social reforms in his nation when he ascends to the throne. but that would be for some time yet and one should always be wary of naughty visirs (see mako).
We should actually talk to okaba more and learn more about him, his homeland, his family, and how he plans to ascend to power (is he planning a coup against his parents/siblings, or are his parents just going to abdicate at a certain time?)

>>36446285
I didn't suggest we leave, I said I don't want to give them a superweapon.
Remember that this thing can be used to run a massive army of golems or undead.
Cleaning house is a LOT harder when you arm the opponent with superweapons.

>>36446314
I find your paranoia tiresome.

>>36446219
>We're at the very least giving the coalition this tech, starting with eopolis.

I trust grandfather, our family, butler and nanny in Eopolis, everyone else is more or less normal morally.

>>36446111

>Other

I am not too sure how, well morally upright most of the people in charge are. We can see how this goes, and much more can be done with mana compared to steam when the first steam engines came around.

We already have mana capacitors through crystals. We have mana generators now, and ways to use mana. No doubt that in a year or so if this got out, certain segments would end up using it for less then good reasons.

Truthfully I would want to talk it over with dad, mom and grandfather if possible. This is even more ground breaking then flying ships.

>>36445455
it still says eldrik is 9 years old.

>>36446111
>>We should move the generator into a minor town and begin seeing ways in which we can improve life there. Think of it as a test run

the healing founts is a good start

perhaps a MP Crystie charger? make max in put to a empty Crystie 25-35 ish MP like a full days work worth.

>>36446111
>We should move the generator into a minor town and begin seeing ways in which we can improve life there. Think of it as a test run
We should give the Mages a full report AFTER Sbastia has had a regime change. We can't let this tech get to Asmund's father, or he'll be nearly invincible.

>>36446350
His army is made up of undead grunts. A single sword of promised victory will likely obliterate them all.

>>36446322
And I find your naivetee tiresome and dangerous.
And it is not paranoia, we were explicitly told this by both okaba and desmond before.

Desmond's father is a monster and not only that, he has a MASSIVE army of undead and golems powered by a non mobile version of this. If the technology gets out, suddenly his army is mobile.

Furthermore, keep in mind that individual super golems can have insane stats, even outstripping scions.

>>36446322
I find you lack of Paranoia retarded

you don't make a free limitless energy device with out a plan to stop abuse

like a self destruct at the minimum
also lets show mom see what she thinks

>>36446177
>we actually interacted with them and they appear to be completely amoral.
Amoral for getting defenses prepared when a dragon appeared near the city, and then telling us to pay for a license when we came forward that the dragon is our mount?

>>36446367
There is no plan that would stop abuse. Trying to come up with one is retarded.

You want people to not abuse it? You set up a moral and philosophical framework such that people won't abuse it. Trying to add DRM to it is probably the dumbest thing i've ever heard of.

>>36446369
try rereading that scene again instead of just summarizing its conclusion.

>>36446384
>There is no plan that would stop abuse.
Sure there is. Its called "this was invented by 3 future kings" and "their best friends are also future kings"
Put together, once the 5 of us take our respective positions we would control a supermajority of the world's militaries

>>36446384
>You want people to not abuse it? You set up a moral and philosophical framework such that people won't abuse it.
How do intend to force such a philosophy on the various rulers of the world?

>>36446360
mostly grunts, there are elites too.

>>36446418
>jealous nobles take the designs and build a huge golem army
Woops.

This is not a tech problem, this is a people problem. Start up an age of reason if you're terrified of this tech getting out.

>>36446418

Likely would not work long term.

These are mostly right,

>>36446441
>>36446384

People will abuse it regardless, once it is out. The best bet would be to have a social/moral framework out there that would help combat/fight those problems.

>>36446441
>somehow jealous nobles acquire the tech when we have not made it completely public
>somehow nobody notices them raising a giant army of golems and the infrastructure to support it
>somehow that giant army of golems is so damn hueg that it overcomes our own coalition's army
>somehow being older and in a position of power makes us LESS able to deal with it than being a child who gave the tech away to people in positions of power

>>36446479
>civil wars are impossible

>>36446479
now your thinking like a republican !

pocolit malignant yes CAPTCHA it is

>>36446457
>A coalition of like minded kings controlling a supermajority of the world's military is a bad solution
>A good solution is to wave our magic wand and make everyone in the world a good person
>Which is why we should release the tech immediately to known evil people who rule most of the world's military.
what?
even if you COULD just make everyone good with your "social framework", that would just mean delaying the release of the tech until after implementing that framework.

>>36446517
If the rulers of eopolis are as horrific as you imagine in your sweaty /k/ dreams, we wouldn't have control over anything, even if we were king.

>>36446496
I never said that
But it is a whole lot easier to win a civil war started by an evil greedy underdog when you are an established power with massive military might and like minded allies compared to giving the tech to known evil rulers decades before you intend to ascend to power.

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>>36446384
>DRM
what is that?

"Well, I won't have a throne as much as a council to push around" ~says Asmund~ "And that is assuming I succeed in taking down father, first. An open battle could be winnable, if we begin crafting golems fast enough, but it will hurt my city and citizens too much"
"It is nice to see you care" ~says Okaba~ "Don't you think it is time you tell us about what your original plan was? You wanted to accumulate enough mana for... what?"
"I have designs to evaporate the Black Spire, with father inside. The casualties will be hundreds of golems, thousands of undead warriors, about half a dozen politicians, and a few dozen bureaucrats. Much faster and cleaner than a civil war. Firing a couple more times against preset targets outside the city should make it clear that any rebel house will simply cease to be"
"You have an Ion cannon!?" ~Eldric almost falls down his chair
"A what? I mentioned before, the blue moon is mostly mana, right? I was planning on setting up an spell array and start it up with enough mana to link the moon to it, then use raw mana as a weapon"
"Assuming I agreed to that, and I have to admit, wiping out one building will bring about a lot less deaths than an open rebellion, how were you planning on planting this array around the targets without being spotted?"
"It can also be used as a defensive field." ~says Asmund
"I see. Eldric, what do you think of this?"

>A few dozen polititians losing their lives to overthrow the evil lord they were working for? I am sure I can live with that
>We cannot sacrifice a single innocent for our success. When pursuing an end, consider the means
>I have an idea (other)

>>36446556
Wait, what? How did the conversation shift to this? Did an update get lost?

>>36446540
1. see the orphans status in eopolis
2. I only argued for doing due diligence on them before we give it to them. not that they must be evil.
3. your side has people arguing giving it to MORE than just eopolis. the magocracy explicitly was mentioned.
4. eopolis doesn't need to be evil, they just need to be unable to keep it a secret. Giving it to them means giving it to a variety of unvetted people, it just takes one of them selling the secret to desmond's dad, or desmond's dad using vampire powers to charm it out of them.

>>36446540
so expand the cult around our family become god emperor.

>>36446556
I thought you can challenge him in some sorta duel.

>>36446556
>I have an idea (other)
Make a couple supergolems with 1 million+ hp/mp and magic immunity. Airdrop them on the tower with orders to kill your father.

Alternatively, challenge your father to a duel directly and use some arbitrarily large crystal to obliterate him. Learn evasion a couple times to keep yourself alive.

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>>36446586
No, I just thought we needed more information. Also, remember this is why Asmund was working with us. Release the technology, destroy it, or keep it hidden from the world after he takes down his dad, he will first want to do that and then whatever else

>>36446556
Hopefully we can come up with a better plan to further minimize losses (since the plan is not to do it anytime soon).
But if not, those are acceptable loses.
I also worry he might have some sort of trump card that saves his life

>>36446586
>>36446647
That update made sense to me

>>36446612
That is once every 3 decades. Its still 23 years away. You want to wait that long?

>>36446662
Probably not. to make matters worse, he will eventually recall Desmond and aura from the school.

>>36446662
why not its the cleanest way to get things done

>>36446556
Can't Asmund challenge his father to a duel for control?
Because, wouldn't his father either be undead, and therefore rise up in a few rounds, or have a Re-Raise item or three?

>>36446751
see >>36446662

>>36446556
I am pretty sure some one like his dad would have a re raise/teleport contingency almost automatic. don't think nuking it from orbit will work better to kill/capture and imprison execute for crimes make an example out of him any other way would let another monster form in his place.

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>>36446687
Asmond, not Desmond
And you are confusing Aura with Dawn

Where did you get Desmond from, anyway?

>>36446556
A risk of that plan is desmond's father figuring it out before he gets the chance of vaporizing the tower.
or having some sort of contingency spell that will resurrect him once....

wait. don't vampires auto resurrect once if they are in a party? he could be in a party with 5 people set up all over town.

>>36446647
There is still no reason to try and channel the moon's mana. Using 10 7mp/min generators it would take 10 days to create a 1 million mp crystal. Spellchanters can use that full crystal to power spells, right? He could have several of those, stealth into the palace and blow away his dad with no problem.

>>36446816
>Where did you get Desmond from, anyway?
probably from assassins creed. sorry.
thanks for correcting me about it being asmond.

And yes, I am confusing aura and dawn. which is which again?

>>36446647
There is no distance limitation for parties, right? Undead will auto rez in 5 turns as long as one of their party is alive, right? Doesn't that make it functionally impossible to kill an undead guy who secretly parties up with some people and sends them to all corners of the earth?

Does the necromancer ability cancel the rez countdown?

>>36446827
actually, why even do it alone?
We could go in as a party. maybe start off by sabotaging his dad's power array.
also, why sneak in, he can be invited. he brings his friends and fellow royals over to meet his dad. and we just gang up and kill him.
All of us armed with:
1. angel rings
2. contingency resurrections for death timer being at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
3. obscenely large mana crystals

We could also have some super golems with us like mentioned by another poster.

Actually, we could probably combine it, start by vaporising tower, then gang up on him if/when he respawns.

>>36446826
> don't vampires auto resurrect once if they are in a party? he could be in a party with 5 people set up all over town.
We need to develop a way to detect someone's party members and track them down. then we need to simultanously assassinate his party members or to make them leave the party.

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>>36446751
Maybe if Asmund could gather enough popular support, I guess? otherwise, it would just be a son challenging a father, and civil war would follow suit as the houses vie for control of the city

>>36446814
The energy discharge he's thinking about would be a end of the world event concentrated in a single place for several minutes. Even if he had a reraise, he would still be dead. We are talking about ridiculous amounts of mana here

But the teleport is a valid concern, tho

>>36446826
thats why he wants to vaporize the tower and all his cronies at the same time. That keeps undead, dead

>>36446839
Dawn: Flat chested mana sponge. Prankster. Well... since she's at near full mana right now, and going with exalted mote storage jokes, I guess shes NOT flat chested anymore

Aura: Math genius who can't figure out the manhood. Loves Okaba

>>36446556
>>A few dozen polititians losing their lives to overthrow the evil lord they were working for? I am sure I can live with that

In a lot of ways a decapitation strike has less deaths involved compared to a drawn out civil war. While some will be innocent, a good amount of them know what they are working with.

The biggest issue I have with it, is what happens if it does not work. There should be several backup plans involved. Because nothing is every simple.

>>36446912
>That keeps undead, dead
so wait, vaporization overcomes the undead's ability to resurrect when having a party member?
How does vaporizing works? do you need a specific vaporize spell or just to deal sufficient damage to an opponent?

>>36446912
>But the teleport is a valid concern, tho
Can teleports be blocked?

Also, idea. is it actually possible to put an enemy in stasis until released? like, a carbonite bath in star wars?
that might be more practical than killing him. since he is far less likely to have a contingency for that then he is for being killed.
And once he is trapped like that, his party members can be taken care of.

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>>36446901
>Does the necromancer ability cancel the rez countdown?
yes

You can also exorcize an undead permanently if you hit it with enough [holy] damage, tho, which is what the moon mana would do

>>36446928
No, you need to hit them with [Holy]. Asmund is going to use the moon mana to power a [holy] blast. Its why Sword ofPromised Victory can exorcise undead. It deals holy type damage

>>36446951
see
>>36446962

>>36446912
how did Asmund's father get into power in the first place

>>36446962
Does you require any tricks to be able to damage undead with healing spells?

Spellchanter is a hybrid caster, right? Can't he use a healing spell powered by crystals to hit his father with holy damage?

>>36446912
is there a way to set up an anti-teleport field? all around the city?

still think seeking killing and storing for war/crimes agents humanity/sentient life is the best plan.

how does [holy] damage destroy the building? or is it undead too?
along with along the bureaucrats ?

>>36446962
>No, you need to hit them with [Holy]. Asmund is going to use the moon mana to power a [holy] blast. Its why Sword ofPromised Victory can exorcise undead. It deals holy type damage
Could we develop a holy spell that only deals damage to undead? that would prevent the deaths of the politicians beurocrats... unless they are also undead.
actually, are the thousands of undead warriors sapient or are they shambling?

then again. he is probably wearing a ring of holy immunity or some such and that has to be vaporized first. so the moon plan is still the best idea for the opening salvo

>>36446973
that answers one question.
what about the teleport blocking and carbonite bath questions?

>>36446962
>No, you need to hit them with [Holy]. Asmund is going to use the moon mana to power a [holy] blast. Its why Sword ofPromised Victory can exorcise undead. It deals holy type damage

Well yeah, but what if he has a personal holy damage immunity item. What if he decides to shield the tower and has a contigency teleport item.

Unless he has gotten so over confident he is not worried about it.

ok wait... stat damage. can stats be damaged?
hit him with a dragonforced spell that deals no HP damage, only int and wis and cha damage.
Reducing him to a vegetable. alive, but vegetative. we can then strip him of magic gear and find a way to kill him permanently.

of course that assumes he doesn't have a way to outright nullify our spell.

>>36447044
I'd assume he has grandpa-tier stats. His research almost guarantees he would figure out how stat stacking works.

>>36447068
not enough to save him from a 6 or 7 digit MP blast of stat drain

The way I see it, we should combine all the plans. multiple layers of redundancy.

>Moon beam
>Anti teleport wards
>Carbonite bath
>Locate party member spell with teams to take them out too simultanously
>Stat drain
>Super golems with magic immunity

it might be overkill, but better safe than sorry.

>>36447000
>still think seeking killing and storing for war/crimes agents humanity/sentient life is the best plan.
I have no idea what you just said

>how does [holy] damage destroy the building? or is it undead too?
>along with along the bureaucrats ?
The same way fire damage can kill a human despite humans not having a vulnerability to fire. Or how it can evaporate water despite water being resistant to fire (enough fire still destroys it).

>>36447141
The moon beam is 100% a bad idea. King said in an earlier thread the moon was a sleeping god. Using its mana like this is probably an apocalypse scenario.

>>36446985
Well, it began when his family designed a mana collecting/supply network across the entire city, giving them access to huge amounts of mana, and control of all of the city basic services.

Then they tapped into that to have personal mana shields with hundreds of thousands of HP during the 1v1 duels for supremacy every 36 years.

At that point they had the political and monetary balls of the city in their hands, and when they basically hacked the duels, the last way in which they could be taken down, by tradition, was eliminated as well

>>36446988
>Does you require any tricks to be able to damage undead with healing spells?
no, but its range is not too long, IIRC
Also, most undead take 50% more damage from healing spells
And some spell tricks increase, considerably, how much damage undead take from holy/healing spells

>>36446988
>use a healing spell powered by crystals to hit his father with holy damage?
thats the idea. He wants to use a ridiculously strong healing spell straight in the heart of the city. A city of undead, mind you

Actually, I wonder if the human pencil pushers inside the necrodermis tower will simply find themselves standing on the ground while everyone and the building itself evaporates around them

>>36447000
>is there a way to set up an anti-teleport field? all around the city?
around buildings, yes... a whole city... I dont know. I want to say yes. I mean, it would seem like a good idea to prevent commando attacks. Maybe at least stack lots of them? well, Asmund was working on that. Remember he mentioned his array could be used to call down the mana blast OR create a shield

>>36447166
ok, that is a good point.
1 million mp mana crystal dragonforce then?

... maybe we can find a way to tell someone's HP without being in the party with them and without triggering a "he cast a hostile spell at me" effect?
Asmond might be able to sneak a peak at his father with that.

or if we find his party members, maybe use asmonds vampire charm on them to get them to tell us his stats?

>>36447217
We cannot be directly involved in this. That's a declaration of war. Asmund killing his dad is an internal affair, but the moment we enter the picture it's suddenly eopolis vs sbastia.

>>36447000
building probably has an anti teleport field to prevent people coming in to attack, it probably can be hacked to preventing porting in both directions

>>36447216
>Then they tapped into that to have personal mana shields with hundreds of thousands of HP during the 1v1 duels for supremacy every 36 years.
could this be sabotaged in some way to just cut him off from it?
he would probably still have mana crystals on him but...

>>36447216
>hundreds of thousands
Like it was said before, we can crank out 1million+ mp crystals in a very short time frame. Can't he just overwhelm his dad with those?

>>36447245
>Declaration of war
no it isn't.
at most it would be an act of war, and asmond can just say "nope"

>We cannot be directly involved in this.
Who is going to know we were? I am not saying walk the streets yelling "I am eldrick lightbringer". We are talking about an assassination squad.

>>36447216
what if we sabotage the supply network Asmunds father will send his most trusted people to fix it the people in his party kill them and asmund's father at the same time to coordinate this use the note books that allow us to talk over distance

the net work would be down and the army and golms would be useless and asmunds father weakened

>>36447216
>>his array could be used to call down the mana blast OR create a shield

but we need both at the same time to work

>>36447216
>thats the idea. He wants to use a ridiculously strong healing spell straight in the heart of the city. A city of undead, mind you
I'm saying use the crystals directly, not as a means to channel the moon's mana. Level asmund in some healing class a bit so he can buy light burnt trick twice, give him a bracer or 1mil mp crystals, hell, buy him a small fast floatstone ship so he can hit the tower directly by surprise, and send him on his way.

>>36447357
I'll even throw in a few supergolems.

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>>36447000
>how does [holy] damage destroy the building? or is it undead too?
yes, It is made of welded undead flesh, so that the tower itself is a massive monster

>>36447000
>along with all the bureaucrats ?
only the highest ranking ones

>>36447021
>are the thousands of undead warriors sapient or are they shambling?
their officers are sapient

I assumed you wanted to use the necromancer's ability to stop the countdown as the carbonite bath

>>36447032
then that plan is fucked

>>36447044
>can stats be damaged?
not currently

btw, the huge wall surrounding the city counts as a single supermonster too, jsyk

>>36447166
heh, somebody remembered

>>36447250
>just cut him off from it?
that sounds doable

>>36447270
>Like it was said before, we can crank out 1million+ mp crystals in a very short time frame. Can't he just overwhelm his dad with those?
probably. It will drain dry the city's mp tho and it will shut down the city for at least a few days, tho

btw, these are all good ideas and valid points, im assuming this is all IC conversation, ok?

>>36447305
>sabotage the supply network
at least shut it down for a bit i guess?

>>36447357
for some reason this made me smirk

bombing the enemy with healing spells
too much of a good thing

>>36447390
>>What if immunity to holy item
>then that plan is fucked
spell tricks can be used to make multi type spells. right?
how does item sundering works?

>>36447390
>at least shut it down for a bit i guess?
yes and during that time kill Asmund's father and his party they would be weakened and easy pickings

quick and clean

>>36447433
There isn't a divine spell trick analogous to Hybrid.

>>36447448
oh. right
... well, what if two people blast him then? first one with something that destroys all worn items and deals damage. with enough power to kill him
he dies, respawns naked, then hit him with a holy attack.

>>36447390
There is also the alternative of teaching asmund how to level effectively and powerleveling him a bit. Maybe temporarily making him a slave to quickly unlock more jobs.

>>36447522
>Maybe temporarily making him a slave to quickly unlock more jobs.
that isn't actually necessary
you can unlock a job via being trained by someone who has that job already.

>>36447390
An unrelated question: When we and zoe became honorary nomads, did that unlock the nomad class for us?

>>36447522
>There is also the alternative of teaching asmund how to level effectively and powerleveling him a bit.
question, how many, and which people specifically, have we efficiently/power leveled already?

>>36447541
Which takes months. Per job. Turning someone into a slave takes seconds.

>>36447032
at this point I would have sprung for a adsorb [holy] just so shit like this doesn't happen.

>>36447166
but we don't know that IC lets think of better reasons not to put our hopes into one one shot plan.

the [holy] blast is a good back up plan but there are so many ways to counter it its almost laughingly bad.


A strike team with a few dozen million +MP super golem on a small fast rockit ship is ideal. take him alive and show the people his crimes then Asmund takes over we clear out the tower of people (and research) then [holy] blast it from the ship with a smaller version of his spell using a 20-30 million MP crystal, as A sing of power.

>>36447546
stella too IIRC

>>36447585
She already had nomad

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>>36447433
>spell tricks can be used to make multi type spells. right?
yes but i dont think using an elemental trick to fuse healing and damage would work

>>36447441
so far this sounds like the simplest method, which Asmund never thought of before because he was a friendless prick so having allies is a new concept to him

So to resume
Turn off the city's power grid
Fight his father
Preserve the body with a necromancer's ability to prevent automatic resurrection

Then after that need to storage the body somewhere safe, somewhere hidden

Or throw it into a volcanoe, I guess. Or just store it in Dawn's item box and forget about it

>>36447546
sure why not

>>36447562
lyann, stella, zoe, cousin alard, grummir, Okaba, Aura
Those are the ones im sure about
Honestly I lost track, I trust in our recordkeeping anon by now

>>36447625
btw im renaming that pic as "Zoe pajamas"

>>36447625
im glad i came up with the plan then

>>36447625
>Then after that need to storage the body somewhere safe, somewhere hidden
Nah, just strip him of items, let him rez and then keep blowing him away with superpowered healing spells until he's dust.

>>36447578
>show the people his crimes
why?

>>36447625
>lyann, stella, zoe, cousin alard, grummir, Okaba, Aura
what about honoria? didn't we get her too?
and that catgirl that was in our party alongside grummir?
also, IIRC we did mom and ellie too. Oh, and mako. we did majo.

So basically, from our inner circle, He is the only one who hasn't gotten the treatment. I guess we could trust him with that.

>>36447625
what happens to things in item box if the person dies? (permanently)
if it is destroyed just find a felon slave put evil king in his box and kill said felon

>>36447675
>>show the people his crimes
>why?


I thought we were going for reform society not chaos and claps

>>36447658
that would be the safe option.

>>36447681
>what happens to things in item box if the person dies? (permanently)
the pop out of the box and back into the real world

>>36447675
I forgot Honoria
I always forget honoria ;_;
yes i used a emote, so sue me. Seemed appropriate

yeah you are right

>>36447681
>what happens to things in item box if the person dies?
they spill like a piñata

>>36447700
A kangaroo trial and public execution does not in any way shape or form reform society.
The moment his father is killed, he assumes his late father's position and can start working on reforming society.

Also, it seems a bit insanely dangerous to parade such a powerful person around. you can inform people of his crimes AFTER his death rather than giving him a trial. Not to mention technically, as the dictator, nothing he has done is actually illegal, he IS the law.

>>36447729
>I always forget honoria ;_;
She doesn't forget you, though.

No, seriously, she has 675 int. She's the 3rd smartest person we know.

>>36447708
but killing him permanently rather than locking him away gives him the chance to reincarnate.

we really don't want him coming back

probley the best option is to do what our ancestors did build a dungeon over him

just leave a few super golem with him set to stop any one from touching him/freeing him

>We can easily make 1million crystals
how exactly do we do that?
and why wouldn't asmond's father have those?

>>36447275
>>36447245
Would wearing a mask be sufficient to hide our identity?

>>36447776
7 mana/minute generators cost 25gold to make.

Set up ten of those all feeding the same mana crystal. Wait ten days.

>>36447772
>but killing him permanently rather than locking him away gives him the chance to reincarnate.
1. extremely unlikely for him to remember anything
2. he might not even reincarnate into the same world. since we come from a different one.

Locking him away forever is far far far less reliable than perma killing him.

>>36447801
I thought it was established that there is no known way to feed crystals with generators.

>>36447772
fuck I didn't even think of him reincarnating, and he did get dark gods to "bless" his experiments he may have enough baked to start a new life with memories if he is killed and dies


>>36447809
>>1. extremely unlikely for him to remember anything
>>2. he might not even reincarnate into the same world. since we come from a different one.

thanks for clearing that up TKAND

>>36447801
actually that would be 100800 MP
also, how many generators can the city support? since they collect energy that was already there produce it out of thin air.

>>36447852
>Set up ten of those

>>36447840
>TKAND
what does that mean?

>>36447870
He thinks you're the QM for some reason.

>>36447865
Ah, I see what I did.
7 * 60 * 24 * 10
i was supposed to multiply by 10 twice. once for the 10 generators, once for the 10 days.

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>>36447776
>Would wearing a mask be sufficient to hide our identity?
this would be so funny... a green lantern/superman/el zorro effect where a minuscule change makes us unrecognizable

>I am the law
so his dad is a judge?

Also, I think people is confusing generators with collectors

>>36447825
no, thats exactly what we are doing now.
There was no known way to generate mana until we made the generators

>>36447870
>TKAND
he thought it was me. Look at my tripname

So, taking the city mana grid down for a bit, then taking him down, then storing him in carbonite (preserving his body) for a while until some way to take him out emerges?

>>36447948
>then storing him in carbonite (preserving his body) for a while until some way to take him out emerges?
Why wouldn't hitting him with crystal powered heal spells do it?

>>36447948
ya that works less of a mess and the population is not terrorized by watching beams of light fall on them

>>36447979
he is not dumb If you had an weakness and there is perfect protection from it better yet an item that lets you adsorb it as healing you wouldn't have that item on hand at all times?

>>36448019
He's already dead and preserved. Strip him naked and just keep casting heal spells on him till he goes poof.

>>36447948
>So, taking the city mana grid down for a bit, then taking him down, then storing him in carbonite (preserving his body) for a while until some way to take him out emerges?

I think there is more support to just repeatedly blast/kill him until he stays dead. the necromancer freeze thing is just if he wont.

Some people are paranoid about dark gods ensuring that he is reincarnated with all his memories in this world. But honestly that seems less likely than him just being eventually released from his "carbonite" eventually by some do badder.

Also, when I originally suggested carbonite, I did not mean that. I meant encasing him in crystal / metal / magic statis spell / something while still alive.

>>36447948
In preperation for this, we need to find a tameable monster that is holy-aligned for our sword and one that's dark-aligned for our shield.

>>36448045
I thought you were referring to the [holy] moon powered blast.

but yea after we get and strip him sure as long as he doesn't have a adsorb holy item that teleports you random away after it it taken off.
or any combination of the two.

>>36448105
Put him in a silence sphere while you strip him, then.

>>36448104
well lets create uber versions of sword and shield first ours are nice but we should be able to make something better with time.

>>36448124
that's why we gotta plan this out and then have back ups anyway.

>>36448104
that is a good idea.

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>>36448064
>I think there is more support to just repeatedly blast/kill him until he stays dead. the necromancer freeze thing is just if he wont.

that sounds fine to me

>>36448064
>paranoid about dark gods
just as planned(?)

>>36448104
like a friendly angel?

>>36448124
i was thinking of a striver/anti magic field but that may be overdoing it

So, let's assume we agree to this with Asmund, and he will prepare the stage for this? will take about two years

>>36448105
>but yea after we get and strip him sure as long as he doesn't have a adsorb holy item that teleports you random away after it it taken off.
>or any combination of the two.
set up anti telportation wards BEFORE stripping him?

>>36448124
That would be a good addition. not instead of wards, but in addition to. can't be too safe

>>36448173
...you can use beastlord on an angel?

>>36448173
>like a friendly angel?
are angels the only holy aligned creatures out there?

>>36448173
>i was thinking of a striver/anti magic field but that may be overdoing it
there is no such thing as overdoing it.
all of them, all of the above together.

>So, let's assume we agree to this with Asmund, and he will prepare the stage for this? will take about two years
2 years from now is when we are going to rescue mako's older sister (her 14th birthday) before she can get married to the evil visir
that is going to be a really busy time

>>36448219
oh hey, we might as well mention the whole mako situation to these guys too.

another question is. do we actually assassinate that evil visir as well. or just rescue mako's sister

>>36448173
I don't want nana in our sword besides the lewd feeling we couldn't keep her there all the time, and I want a permanent bonus to our weapons not temporary.

>>36448173
take 3 let us craft uber items and properly level him

>>36448242
>enter a foreign superpower and kill their head of state
Surely nothing can go wrong.

>>36448250
>permanent bonus to our weapons not temporary
You're obviously not understanding what we're planning to do with our bestiary and equipment. Nothing would be permanent, they'd be swapped out as necessary.

>>36448252
>Let him live while kidnapping his fiance, whose family he murdered, whom he is only marrying for the legitimacy
Surely nothing can go wrong

>>36448276
Yes, your entire plan is stupid. I'm glad you realized that.

>>36448242
we could kill him and take over rout out corruption help the people with an army of the super golem we are building for this project.

>>36448252
to be fair he got away with it. so I don't see why not as long as we stay to rule.

>>36448264
but the beast in the weapon gains xp as the weapon if we remove it it lose that. putting a strong beast in an item is only half the goodness it does it lets the weapon level up too. just not if we keep trading them out.

>>36448289
that was his point like vamp bro we gott to think of how to keep things stable after we kill his ass.

>>36448252
he isn't the head of state, officially
he is "just an adviser". the actual head of state is mako's older sister (by 1 year, still a child) whom he is holding hostage (and whose family he killed). if he is killed, mako's sister is back in power herself (unless any co conspirators try to take over) and can just expose him for the assassin that he is (he had her mother and older sisters all murdered, and has tried to dispose of mako)

>>36448289
>Yes, your entire plan is stupid
this isn't my plan you retarded faggot shit.
The consensus from over the last few threads has been that when she turns 14 (in 2 years), we are going to rescue her.
My plan is to to instead assassinate him

>>36448364
>but the beast in the weapon gains xp
20% xp. It's more efficient just to level them seperately.

>>36448364
>to be fair he got away with it.
that is an excellent point.

>>36448366
>consensus
lol no. You wanting to be a braindead leeroy jenkins was ignored.

>>36448396
>>>HURRR your plan stupid
>>That isn't my plan, that is the plan I am explicitly argued against, trying to amend it with something more sensible.
>lol no. You wanting to be a braindead leeroy jenkins was ignored.
listen you mouthbreathing retard.
That plan (kidnap mako's older sister) is what was decided in previous threads, and confirmed as what we ARE going to be doing by the QM.
It is NOT my plan, I am not advocating for it. I am suggesting an alternative.

And it wasn't ignored as >>36448364 supported it

>>36448201
you could
>>36448207
some bloodlines are, too
and some holy beasts
But one way or the other, it implies going to kick the ass of something good in order to tame it, tho I imagine you could probably talk with an intelligent holy creature and just get it to agree, maybe?

>>36448219
>really busy time
yup

totally unrelated, but im reading daybreak over hyperion, anyone knows the link to the novel in japanese? the wiki only goes up to chapter 14 and i dont mind translating to read stuff


>>36448250
>lewd feeling
its because of dat ass, isint it?

>>36448366
>mako's older sister (by 1 year)
they're twins, shes only a few minutes older

>>36448375
>It's more efficient just to level them seperately.
good point

so, do we assume thats the general plan? prepare for a year+ to help asmund, then help Ren?

Ren is Mako's sister, btw

Also, IIRC someone asked me about the meaning on the characters name, so here you go before you ask

Ren (or Rén) (Chinese: 仁; pinyin: rén; Wade–Giles: jen) is the Confucian virtue denoting the good feeling a virtuous human experiences when being altruistic. 仁 is exemplified by a normal adult's protective feelings for children. It is considered the outward expression of Confucian ideals.

Confucius also defined Rén in the following way: "wishing to be established himself, seeks also to establish others; wishing to be enlarged himself, he seeks also to enlarge others." Another meaning of Rén is "not to do to others as you would not wish done to yourself." Confucius also said, "Rén is not far off; he who seeks it has already found it." Rén is close to man and never leaves him.

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>>36448486
>one retard likes my plan
>IT'S A CONSENSUS!
It's amusing because you're the dumbest person here yet you're the one who keeps pulling out the hurr durr meme. Doning Kruger in full effect, it seems.

>>36448498
Wait, can you use beastlord on a person, then?

If the 'plan' is to go into the empire and kill the guy, then no, that isn't the general plan. Because that's retarded.

>>36448498
>and some holy beasts
>But one way or the other, it implies going to kick the ass of something good in order to tame it, tho I imagine you could probably talk with an intelligent holy creature and just get it to agree, maybe?
does taming have to be violent? can't a holy beast be won over with food and petting? or found/rescued as a cub and raised by us as a pet?
is a non sapient holy beast actually going to be "good" without actually being sapient?

>>36448498
>so, do we assume thats the general plan? prepare for a year+ to help asmund, then help Ren?
No, let's not assume that. There has been nothing even remotely workable presented in regards to Ren.

>>36448512
>>>>>>The consensus is X, here is my plan Y to do INSTEAD
>>>>>Hurr, both X is stupid and so are you
>>>>X isn't my plan, Y is my plan. I am explicitly arguing against X
>>>Hurrr, nope, X is your plan because I said so. Also your plan has no support.
>>No really. X is not my plan. Y is my plan, and it has support.
>one retard likes my plan
>IT'S A CONSENSUS!
Holy shit you are a retard

My plan is NOT THE CONSENSUS you moron. I am explicitly arguing to revise the consensus reached in previous threads.
The guy supporting my plan is NOT supporting the consensus plan. He is supporting my alternative suggestion

Consensus: rescue/kidnap Ren (consensus was reached in previous threads)
My plan: Murder the visir (who murdered the previous queen and most her daughters) so ren can be free of him.

My plan has the support of 1 guy. That isn't a consensus. I never said it was, you are just retarded

>>36448498
>so, do we assume thats the general plan? prepare for a year+ to help asmund, then help Ren?
yes. that is what we are doing.

>>36448498
I dont like the idea of entering a foreign nation to kill people randomly, so itll take some convincing to bring me on board.

>>36448623
>No, let's not assume that. There has been nothing even remotely workable presented in regards to Ren.
Its not really rocket science.
Go in, assassinate evil visir at night without getting caught and identified.
Mako convinces ren to come back with us.
A few years later she comes back to assume the throne.

Even if the visir is some ridiculously powerful and overleveled guy personally rather than using conventional assassions (which, AFAIK he did and does). we can still pretty much apply almost the same method of killing asmond father to killing him. only use different element than holy.

>>36448498
>so, do we assume thats the general plan? prepare for a year+ to help asmund, then help Ren?
Yes.
Although personally I would rather not wait a whole year to deal with the ren thing. maybe scope out the situation there earlier, to get a feel for the place and the people involved, and then come up with a custom plan for it?

>>36448680
>I dont like the idea of entering a foreign nation to kill people randomly
>randomly
it isn't random, its premeditated.
The guy so far has murdered:
1. mako's mom
2. 3 of mako's older sisters
3. the previous visir
4. he has been behind trying to dispose of mako (the constant kidnapping attempts).

there is nothing random about it

>>36448556
>with food and petting?
I get this image of getting Stella or Zoe into a sword, now

Wasnt there a game made into a horrible horrible anime where this was a thing?

Also, in Japanese, Ren as a name means romance or love. Which I guess its cute, too

anyway...

>>36448623
Well, suggestions?

Alright, let me especify, then
The idea is that this year's vacation we spend it on either albion or eopolis, and next year go to sbastia? or do you want to go to sbastia this year?

also nevermind, apparently Daybreak is in english to begin with, theres no japanese version. How interesting

>>36448498
Wait, we're personally supposed to help asmund? No. Get him some mercs to help him out or something, I don't want to risk shattering the coalition over this.

>>36448486
don't drag me into this(>>36448364 me)
I say kill and rule not kill and abandon the nation to civil war. if we do this we do it right.

>>36448498
that ass on our belt constantly rubbing on us whispering in our ear. yea too lewd.

>>36448498
we should probley tell mom and dad we are off to do stupidly dangerous potential world changing things before we go. but yea sounds like what we are going to do

but in that year we will want to have uber items (legendary max entrenchments) and level up vamp bro, and get the super robot strike force reedy
and if we can our sister up to 100 slave so we can unlock her potential

>>36448732
>Wait, we're personally supposed to help asmund?
Yes, that is literally what we decided.

>No. Get him some mercs to help him out or something
Mercs are not going to even slightly bother his dad. it needs to be someone who is ridiculously broken. And we are NOT powerleveling some random mercs nor equipping them with millions of mp in crystals.

>>36448689
And who will control the throne in the meantime? What about the civil government and bureaucracy and keeping the government running?

>>36448734
>I say kill and rule not kill and abandon the nation to civil war. if we do this we do it right.
why do you assume that I meant we abandon it to civil war?
I am a-ok with staying there for some time and making sure co conspirators are cleared out and all that goodness.

>>36448726
King, put up a vote for helping asmund directly. There seems to be some opposition to the idea.

>>36448775
>And who will control the throne in the meantime? What about the civil government and bureaucracy and keeping the government running?
You literally answered your own question. The nation has a government in place. We aren't going there to exterminate the entire government. We are taking out one guy. who in fact has himself taken out multiple high level members of government

>>36448781
There was literally 1 person who mentioned anything about it during forming the plan (calling it an act of war) and was rebuked with "we wear a mask and don't yell we are eldrik lightbringer"

And now that the plan was finalized, there was again that same guy saying "hire mercanries to assassinate him instead". an idea which is laughably stupid considering how he acquired and held his position in the first place. and the super dangerous secrets we are using to kill him. (efficient leveling, scion, mana generators, etc)

>>36448828
Has there been a single vote about this? No?

Then stop trying to assume this has been finalized.

>>36448734
>I say kill and rule not kill and abandon the nation to civil war.
what civil war. the country, officially and on paper, is ruled by ren.
The visir was very careful in his takeover to not do the whole civil war thing. he is taking over via marriage and the death of the royal family except for a single little girl whom he arranged to marry.
If the fiance of the queen dies, there is no civil war, she is still the queen.

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>>36448781
I thought it was just one person

anyway, we went terribly off topic, it was meant to be just some extra info about what Asmund wanted the tech for, making a cascading moonbeam superweapon to vaporize the Black Spire and everyone inside

Once that is done, he doesn't minds discarding the tech or whatever you and Okaba want to do with it. He's fine going along with it, so, what do you want to do with it?

Use it as a top secret of national defense to power an army of constructs? install one on every ship to make a fleet of airgolem carriers? use it as electricity to power services across the realm, like sbastia does? others?

>>36448880
There are at least 4 posts saying 'no' in response to your question.

But ok, this seems to be whiplash edition, so let's talk about something completely different again.

I'd like to try combining it with alchemist golem cores and making house AI/guardians.

>>36448856
>Has there been a single vote about this? No?
Actually YES.
There was a discussion, a long drawn out discussion.
After which the consensus plan was listed in >>36448498 by the QM
who asked people if this plan is ok (also known as a vote)

And only 1 person objected. Specifically asking for a revote to include his ridiculously retarded alternative of "just hire mercenaries to assassinate him instead"

>Then stop trying to assume this has been finalized.
see >>36448498

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>>36448863
>what civil war. the country, officially and on paper, is ruled by ren.
this is a very good point, really. She can just declare afterwards that "these guys saved me, I love them. Also, my sister, whom I also love lots and lots"

Well, I guess I will do a vote, how many people do we have? i have 4chanx so cant tell

>>36448949
>i have 4chanx so cant tell
Jesus, upgrade: https://ccd0.github.io/4chan-x/builds/4chan-X.user.js

It's had IP counts for a while. Showing 10 currently.

>>36448933
>There are at least 4 posts saying 'no' in response to your question.
The question was "is the entire plan ok".
There was only 1 anon who specifically objected to eldrik helping personally (suggesting mercenaries instead)
The other anons who said no did not talk about this, they were discussing OTHER ISSUES, all of them specifically assuming that eldrik is personally helping and no mercenaries.

>>36448970
The IP counter is built into the basic 4chan interface
4chanX REMOVED my IP counter
I have asked people how I can get it back ,as well as looked through the options, nobody told me how to yet nor have i found the option to.

>>36449008
I said no and I certainly didn't assume eldric was directly helping. Stop trying to talk for me.

>>36449035
How about you actually link the post in question.

>>36448949
10 posters
the outline of the plan looks good.

and much better than Asmunds original plan

>>36449047
>>36448623
Stop talking. You are spamming the thread with your faggotry and it's annoying.

>>36448949
The problem with putting it to a vote, is that the anon complaining has suggested that eldrik will NOT assist and that instead the plan will be carried out by asmond and "mercenaries"

Asmond original plan to fry the whole tower is because he is NOT A RETARD. If asmond could just hire mercenaries to reliably kill his father, he would have.

That means that in any such discussion, asmond is going to go "NOPE!" to the mercenary plan.

So that leaves us with our original actually workable plan. Or no plan at all whatsoever where asmond just resorts to his own original moon vaporization plan.

>>36449104
but we just outlined half a dozen ways moon vaporization is bad/dumb/wouldn't work

I thought we were power leveling Asmond and helping with a mask on

>>36449145
>but we just outlined half a dozen ways moon vaporization is bad/dumb/wouldn't work
Yes we did. Reread the post you replied to, carefully.

>>36448949
Anyway, I thought most people agreed to helping Asmund, and were worried about helping Ren, so lets be more specific i guess

The plan for Asmund is helping him take down the city power grid for a few hours or days, then take down his dad, then turn the power back on, right?
He is fine with whatever Eldric and Okaba later decide to do with the tech.

As for Ren, maybe attend the wedding in 5 years, or even simpler, this very year we could go there invited by Mako and take out the Minister of the Left to help Ren

Timeline events so far
Currently, we are 11 years and 7 months old
1 year and some 5 months ~ we get sent to eopolis at age 13
2 years and 5 months ~ we help Asmund. We are age 14 at this point
3 years and 5 months ~ we rescue Mako from the Alquian Visir. Tho by now, who knows? maybe we could just openly declare war on them since I imagine we would have made the coalition more than strong enough by then
4 years and 5 months ~ Ren's wedding

We have 4 years and 5 months for Ren's wedding

So here's the vote, I think

Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)
>Yes
>No

We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?
>Yes
>No

>>36449165
Alright, you've convinced me to vote in direct opposition to whatever you're backing.

>>36449186
>Alright, you've convinced me to vote in direct opposition to whatever you're backing.
In that case your vote is for
>Asmond, I am not going to help you. instead, you should hire mercenaries to help you kill your father

>>36449184
No
no

>>36449184
>Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)
>>No
>>36449184
>We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?
Unless someone presents a better idea than charge into the palace killing everything, no.

>>36449184
>Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)

no

>We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?
>No

>>36449184
>Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)
Yes

>We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?
the suggestion was to go visit it this year to scope out the place.
and the argument on that one was not about when we go, but whether we
>help ren
and
>never helping ren, let the visir rule

>>36449184
>Yes to both

>>36449184

Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)
>Yes
We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?

>Yes
we would need to stay and ensure stability it could take years

>>36449184
>Help Asmund ourselves, discreetly masking our identity? (tho honestly that only matters if we fail, I think?)
>>Yes

We want to help Asmund, this is helping him slowly moving, and gaining morality.

I think personally think that however his plan is likely to fail. Too much needs to go right. He needs backup plans.

>>36449184
>We have this year's vacation "empty", go visit Mako's homeland with her and take down the Minister of the Left NOW?

I think a short visit to the homeland might be nice. She does want to see her sister. We should take a month to visit her sister. Might end up reminding him of problems if something untowards happens to Mako, or the sister.

>>36449184
Yes and yes

>>36449184
yes and yes

>>36449184
No
Yes

why do people not want to help mako and her sister?

>>36449184
>Yes
>Yes

>>36449218
>Unless someone presents a better idea than charge into the palace killing everything, no.
the plan was literally to kill ONE GUY, not everything.
the alternative plan was to kidnap her instead

>>36449284
Define 'help'

Also there is very obviously some samefagging going on.

>>36449284
she is adorable and sad back story so we go all maxim white knight mode

and that is sorta our job we are here for great change, so we can make it happen or wait for it to happen to us

>>36449284
>why do people not want to help mako and her sister?
so far the justifications given are

>if we kill the visir it will spark a civil war
confirmed wrong by QM >>36448949

>the visir is the head of state so killing him is bad
confirmed wrong by QM >>36448949

>anyone who wants to kill the visir is actually wanting to kill everyone in the palace indiscriminately
strawman

>Nobody suggested a workable plan
outright lie.

>>36449345
No really, stop talking. You're cancer.

>>36449305
Mako was sent away and Ren is in a forced marriage engagement why not help by removing the guy who killed Mako's mother and sent her away to get killed or captured

>>36449184
Finally got to a place with signal to post.

>Help Asmund
Yes.

>Mako
Yes.

>>36449184
double yes

>>36449355
literally everything in that post is true.
you are the cancer

>>36449377
>samefagging this hard
>doesn't even bother to try and hide it
So how many votes for yes/yes are actually distinct anons?

Well, alright.

Personally, I feel like its one guy samefagging since both questions where no and that just seems suspicious, but ok.

I have to agree that the plan to send mercenaries is really bad, so, what do you want to do instead?

Just send Asmund, Dawn, Okaba, Aura, Honoria and maybe Brass instead?

Anyway as for the votes so far, lets see
>>36449218
>>36449231
>>36449281

>>36449206
no to helping Asmund
>>36449245
>>36449258
>>36449267
>>36449270
>>36449279
>>36449294
>>36449369
>>36449377

>>36449243
yes to helping asmund
>>36449243

>>36449218
>>36449231
>>36449206
no to helping Ren
>>36449258
>>36449267
>>36449270
>>36449279
>>36449281
>>36449294
>>36449369
>>36449377

>>36449245
yes to helping ren


Alright, the post window is too small and my eyes are too shit so im posting this and then counting the votes

>>36449377
please stop feeding the trolls

>>36449392
>13 votes
>12 distinct IP's
At least 2 less.

>>36449243
>no to helping Ren
actually that post was mine and it was NOT a no to helping ren.
I was saying that people weren't arguing the date. they were arguing if we should help her or not
Personally I am firmly in the help her side.

>>36449392
I bet literally every no/no vote is the same one guy.

>>36449409
Probably more, really. The entire drawn out debate felt like 3 people max talking.

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>>36449404
>no to helping Asmund++++


yes to helping asmund+++++++++

no to helping Ren (that there are these many votes is confusing as hell, to me, is why i thought there was samefagging) ++++

yes to helping ren+++++++++

Alright, so we are helping Asmund either this year or next year, which leaves us the OTHER time slot open to go help Ren (Mako's sister)

Alright gentlemen, how do we kill superm-- I mean, Asmund's dad?

>>36449407
you are right, of course. sorry.

>>36449521
>no to helping Ren (that there are these many votes is confusing as hell, to me, is why i thought there was samefagging) ++++
you miscounted one of them. see >>36449485
To be fair, I poorly phrased that post

>>36449521
I really hope you're not expecting lots of people to actually respond, here. Because that vote was samefagged to hell and back.

>>36449521
i thought take down the mana network then attack Asmund's father and their armor would be weakened

>>36449544
Well, lets see...

Assuming we are helping Asmund, then. Come think of it, we DO have LOTS of strong friends we can send to take down the man without going ourselves. Why, we have

Aura
Brass
Dawn
Grummir
Honoria
Lyann
Mako(? she IS pretty strong, really, but I doubt we would send her)
Okaba
Python
Stella
Zoe

So we CAN not go ourselves. Hell, we could send a entire party just to take down the guy, and the others to take down the power grid if we want both things to happen more or less at the same time

>>36449579
yup

>>36449521

Well first off, I think killing him might not be too hard.

We do know that the network passes mana through sound. Does our swords silence break passing the mana? If so, we can seperate him from the mana shield.

Could we create a large scale sound interferance device to interrupt the network in the tower then?

If we disable the network, he is just a normal, if strong mortal.

He likely is packing some immunity items, we need to remove them so he could be killed for good.

>>36449614
>So we CAN not go ourselves. Hell, we could send a entire party just to take down the guy, and the others to take down the power grid if we want both things to happen more or less at the same time
The guy who said not to go ourselves suggested sending mercenaries as an alternative.
I seriously don't see how sending our 3 sisters while we stay at home counts.
Also, taking out the power station as a separate team is still going ourselves.

You suspecion of it being basically 1 or 2 guys is sound, its completely out of character for us to not help asmond and mako.

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>>36449618
>We do know that the network passes mana through sound. Does our swords silence break passing the mana? If so, we can seperate him from the mana shield.

this seems genius to me, because its simple, and simple tends to work
Just disrupt the mana flow upwards to his personal shields for a little bit while he's beaten to death

brb

>>36449618
>>36449661
brilliant.

>>36449614
Well, first, maybe work on a sonic interference device to prevent Asmund's dad from accessing the family mana collector instead of shutting it down across the city?

>>36449686

Luckily we have an artifact grade one in our hand.

A good way to test it with Asmund. Also shows a significant security hole in the mana generation of his city. We likely should go ahead and spread the mana generator idea around a bit.

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>>36449884
Alright, that sounds fine.
So, typing, unless anyone wants to change something about sending Dawn, Asmund, Aura, Okaba, Honoria and Brass to smash the guy down while we disrupt the mana network

>>36449884
>We likely should go ahead and spread the mana generator idea around a bit.
Lets not spread it around yet.

>>36449984

Have we told Asmund and Dawn how to actually power level a bit? They might need it to properly handle things.

In a lot of ways I rather us also be involved, unless we have to knock down the localized power transmitters there.

That might be best however.

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>>36449984

We work with Asmund and Okaba in the various projects we have, but having come up with a simpler plan against his father, there is no rush to craft a doomsday weapon or an army of constructs anymore.

Life for Okaba and us returns to normality. For Asmund, enjoying to have friends, its a first.

We continue playing chess with Mako in the club, and taking her to walks around the university's gardens.

The petite girl walks with short little steps, her old fashioned wooden shoes actually keeping her above the freshly fallen snow.

She may be wearing traditional western shoes (which we recognize as "not japanese" with an internal smirk), but she is still wearing the same uniform as any other female student, a black, plated skirt with a white shirt and a cutesy red tie. A long, thick fluffy coat covers her almost from her ears to her toes, but it's only secured by a few buttons on its front.

"Do you enjoy the snow, Mako?" ~asks Eldric as he gently holds her hand with his

Funny, that. She may be one of the strongest persons we know, but we can't help but to treat her as if she was made of crystal, nor does she act as you'd expect from someone who could punch her way through a dungeon.

"Yes! we had snow at home, too, but I wasn't allowed to play on it before" ~she says as she enjoys the crunching sound of her geta on the snow

Well, she was a delicate imperial princess. It only made sense she wouldnt be allowed to do something like playing in the snow.

>Playfully bully Mako. Pour some snow down her neck and have her chase us around the garden, maybe teach her about snowfights (and lose, of course)
>Take her back to the club room and have some hot chocolate while playing chess

Yes, I actually have two ideas for this so need your vote

>>36450227
>Take her back to the club room and have some hot chocolate while playing chess

>>36450227
I can't choose, both are good.

>>36450227
>>Playfully bully Mako. Pour some snow down her neck and have her chase us around the garden, maybe teach her about snowfights (and lose, of course)

Snow fight, if it is deep enough, show her snow angels if she never saw of them too.

>>36450227
>>Playfully bully Mako. Pour some snow down her neck and have her chase us around the garden, maybe teach her about snowfights (and lose, of course)

Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>36450227
1 for former, 2 for latter.

>>36450227
>>Playfully bully Mako. Pour some snow down her neck and have her chase us around the garden, maybe teach her about snowfights (and lose, of course)
this is a must

>>36450227
>Playfully bully Mako. Pour some snow down her neck and have her chase us around the garden, maybe teach her about snowfights (and lose, of course)

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>>36450405

"Kyaaa!" ~the cute little imperial princess cries out while shivering as the cold snow runs down her back

"Eldric, you meanie!" ~she cries out as she tries to catch her friend and throw snow down his neck

Of course, either of those are completely unfeasible. Not only is he faster than her, he's also much taller, but that doesn't stop her from trying, and noone said he would offer any real resistance.

Ami was smiling as she laid down on a nearby roof. She had never really seen the princess having so much fun.

Mai, next to her, was aiming some bolas at Eldric's legs, but he soon fell into the snow, all on his own, and Mako tacklehugged him to pin him down as she throw some snow on his face.

The shadow sat back down, and took out some cookies from her item box to share them with her sister.

"Ah, mercy, I give up!" ~laughs Eldric as he tries to see through the snow the petite princess had covered his face with.
"Y-you meanie!" ~she says as she hits him.

Well, everything its relative, really. Those cute little slaps could probably squish a monster skull with ease, but Eldric was more than tough enough to perceive them as the cute little punches they looked like.

Neither one of them notices that she's sitting on top of him until he straightens up, and has to catch her to prevent her from falling backwards. The result is that she's sitting on his lap while he hugs her, and they are looking at eachother's faces.

She looks so adorable with an apple-red blush on her.

1/?

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>>36450565

"E-eldric... let me go..." ~she says softly
"Uhmm"
"Eldric?"
"Nope"
"???"
"I like this"
"M-meany!"

Ah, maybe we teased her too much. But she's just so cute. Alright, we help her stand, carefully, and then let out a big cry and make a sight of it when she kicks us in the shin.

Teaching her to make snowballs, we later have a snowball fight with Honoria and Zoe before Mako has to go.

"Did you had fun?"
"...yes" ~she says softly
"Alright"

She tugs down on Eldric's sleeve, and places her hands around her mouth to tell him a secret.

When he leans down, she gives him a smooch on the cheek, and throws some snow down his neck, then runs away, somehow managing to chuckle as she blushes, arms spread widely while she goes *squish squish squish* on the snow.

"Ah, thankyou for playing with our princess" ~says Ami from behind us, before running off after Mako, seemingly having come out nowhere

"We'll see you tomorrow" ~says Mai, standing on top of our shoulders before being replaced by a natural sized snow Mai, which collapses on top of us, soaking all of our clothes.

Well, it's fine, we did slip some snow down under the clothes of a imperial princess, after all.

Then a snowball hits us hard on the back of the head, and Zoe runs away laughing.

"Hey, you!" ~Eldric shouts as he chases his lion (kitty?) sister, throwing snowballs at her.

Zoe runs off into the teacher's lounge and all the way to hide behind mom

"Eldric, what are you... why are you soaking wet!?" ~says mom when she sees us
"He's throwing snow balls at me!" ~accuses our snow-haired sister
"Eldric!"

2/?

>>36450565
>>36450748
so much dawww

... although we need to have some more daww with lyann.

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>>36450748

Well, we are grounded, again
We hadn't been grounded in years.
This is, in fact, just the second time

Of course, we are not really grounded. Mom just wanted to have us home to talk about our daily life, our friends, and our projects.

"...sounds amazing" ~she says when we explain to her about the mana generators and the way Asmund's crystal array can pick the mana and store it~ "So what are you guys doing with all that mana?"
"We are not really sure... Okaba is worried about its use, actually."
"That sounds like a good thing to be worried about." ~says mom while caressing our hair~ "I suspect the potions expender at the church is your work, then?"
"Yes" ~says Eldric softly
"Uhmm... can you mimic other spell effects? what about simpler things, like light?"
"I have a permanent candle"
"I know, but I meant, something more portable. How about glowing paint? it would be useful when exploring dungeons. Could you make glowing paint? or liquid light, I guess"
"Ooooh... I... maybe?"

Mom goes around and hugs us from behind, enjoying to rest her chin on our head while we are still shorter than she is, since it is rather obvious that we are going to be so much taller than she is.

"Ah, how about toys? can you make some toys for your baby brother and sisters?"
"Yes!"

Ellie comes in and looks at the scene.

"Madam, please store those books away already. I need to lay the dinnerware on the table already"
"Just five more minutes, I'm having my Eldric time, now" ~she says, stealing the way Stella and Zoe use to refer to playing with us
"Madam!" ~Ellie pouts~ "At least let me enjoy some Eldric time, too!" ~she says as she pouts
"Nope! mine!" ~says mom with a smile

3/?

>>36450986
i dont think my heart can take any more daww then this

>>36450986

With the mana, there is a lot of good that could be done with it.

We could easily create a bunch of items with the mana, there is so much useful stuff that could be done likely.

It helps that we are mixing modern ideas/physics with magic.

And there are so many ways it could easily be weaponized.

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>>36450986

Well, we end up with Ellie, Stella and mom having fun by messing with our hair.

By the way, Ellie did manage to ready the table in time for dinner, somehow.

She got some Bastionite shark fin soup. Its a treat that had probably only rarely been seen this far west from Bastion.

A modern part of us wants to say something about the waste that is eating just the fin, but on this world, the reality is that the chances the shark becomes just the fin as a drop is... well, pretty high, to be honest.

"I dunt want it!" ~says Athena while sitting on mom's lap
"It's delicious" ~says mom
"No!" ~Athena turns her little face away from the spoon
"Uhmm... maybe I will just eat all of it myself" ~says mom as she eats the spoonfull that was for Athena
"No!" ~shouts Athena
"Ah, do you want it, then?"
"No!" ~she says with a smile, while hiding her face with her hands, obviously playing
"If you eat all of it, I'll read you a tale later" ~says mom
"Promise?"
"Yes, promise"

Meanwhile, Elysia and Frederick, our newest baby siblings, are already asleep in a nearby crib.

***
That reminds me
Did we ever decide if Ellie was going to be pregnant, too? elf or human? one or more babies?

>>36450986
this is the most adorable thing I have ever read, it is so sweet I think it gave diatribes.

>>36451130
constantly regenerating party notebooks
mass pre programed illusion generators (movies,recorded plays)

>>36451161
Yes, elf, didn't come up.

>>36451161

That reminds me
Did we ever decide if Ellie was going to be pregnant, too? elf or human? one or more babies?

I thought that was up to her and dad
but yea cuit little elf brother ans sister would be great

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>>36451182
I was thinking on getting Ellie pregnant after mom left the university, for obvious reasons. Would you guys prefer it now?

And, since its thanks to a blessing of the gods, I think its fair to ask "how many children?" maybe we should roll for it

roll 1d100. We'll just go with the highest of 3 results
1-80 1 new sibling
81-90 twins
91-96 triples
97+ ....so many blessings!

Rolled 76 (1d100)

>>36451250
later is fine

>>36451250

Why not, maybe we get visited in the dreams as we have all sorts of other ideas they might decide to co-opt, such as straight half-elves.

Rolled 6 (1d100)

>>36451301

Dropped my dice

Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>36451250

Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>36451250
dear gods time to spread the love

Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>36451250

Rolled 32 (1d100)

>>36451250
Commonn 100

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>>36451271
>Rolled 76 (1d100)
>>36451320
>Rolled 6 (1d100)
>>36451343
>Rolled 33 (1d100)

Alright, so waiting until end of the year, and will be 1 new elfie sibling. Boy or girl?

Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>36451390
1 for boy
2 for girl

>>36451390
Girl.

>>36451390
>>36451358
dam too late

>>36451390
boy need more men in the house

>>36451390
boy

>>36451390
Does it matter? We're over a decade older. We're not going to be a big part of their life regardless.

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looks like its boy, then

***
We enjoy the dinner and then Ellie drafts us to help her clean the table, together with Stella

Ah, Stella is on her barefeet again... well, she's wearing socks. Why does she hate shoes so much, anyway?

Our dark haired, caramel-skinned sister's tail wags to a side and the other as she helps Ellie wash the dishes.

This girl can enjoy anything. Hey, are you a reincarnation of Yotsuba, or something?

Well, mom sends us to have our bath now, so we are sort of excused from dishwashing duty.

We are taking our clothes off inside the bath, when we hear some knocking.

"Eldric, do you want help?" ~asks Lyann
"No"
"You sure?" ~she asks softly
"Yes"

She doesn't answer, she just goes away. We already explained to her that we were having a improper reaction towards girls now, so we couldn't bathe with her anymore.

A bit later, she's under our sheets when we go to our room.

"Lyann, what are you doing?" ~she's all tucked up for bed, wearing a silk pajama shirt that does a terrible job of hiding her beautiful anything.
"I want to sleep together?"
"Go back to your room, please"
"...please?" ~she says, making a cute little noise that, really, only makes the problem worse
"No. Please get off the bed"

She looks down, and keeps looking down as she steps off the bed... oh god she really is wearing just the shirt!

Eldric quickly averts his gaze, looking up as the redheaded beauty walks out of the room

"Stupid Eldric" ~she says softly, then closes the door behind her

2/?

>>36451670
>Daily reminder that teenage pregnancy is bad

>>36451670
>looks like its boy, then
what is the status on the two youngest siblings from our biological mom?
They haven't gotten a lot of screen time.

>>36451744
ded

>>36451670
I really wish we kept the sleeping together. just gotta excercise self control

>>36451685
hardly

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>>36451744
they're under a year old, at this point, they just sleep or eat. During lastnight dinner, i mentioned they were sleeping in a crib nearby
>>36451670

Well, Lyann isin't talking to us today.
She's wearing her anklecuffs and following us around like she used to, however.
She's just not talking to us, at all

We go to class
She stands outside of the boys bathroom when we go in
Then she follows us to the chess club and sits nearby, but not with us

Ah, some older students approach her to play chess with her.

"Good morning" ~says Okaba as he greets us and sits across from us~ "Why is Lyann staring daggers at you?"
"I don't know" ~says Eldric, trying to change the topic
"Really? I don't think its that hard to guess, tho. Are you perhaps not very good with the fairer gender? should I give you some tips?"

Is this the end of the world? did heel freeze over? does Okaba really thinks he's good with girls? are you serious!? this... this guy... this dense comedy harem MC-like guy!?

"No, I have it. Thankyou"
"Alright, just ask anything you need" ~he says while gently caressing Aura's head

She goes into the lab with us. Well... to be honest, she had began helping Okaba with his enchantment research, so she may not have really followed us so much as just go to the same place as us, right now.

Still not talking to us, tho

That night, she knocks on our door, once, and asks if she can sleep with us, then goes away when we apologize and say no.

This keeps up all week.

"Eldric, why is Lyann angry with you?" ~asks Mako while sitting next to us on a couch, just sipping from her tea

3/?

>>36451875
Ah. So that's how you get us out of the house.

>>36451875
I am a bit confused here
looking at

>>36433813

>Can't sleep together anymore
4 votes
>last time
1 vote
>Can continue to sleep together as normal
5 votes

so how did we end up with the 1 vote option?

>>36451993
that vote was heavily and obviously samefagged.

>>36451993
we revoted and picked one last time

>>36452021
I missed that.

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>>36451946
not sure what you meant

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"Ah, well... we are too big to sleep together anymore" ~says Eldric
"Oh. But, I always sleep with Ami and Mai?"
"It's different..."
"Because we are smaller than you?"
"...yes. That's why" ~ah, we can't really explain it to her, can we?

Once we are done visiting Mako, we excuse ourselves and leave the orphanage to go back home.

"Lyann, please forgive Eldric?"
"..."

Walking back, we go through the commercial district to buy some things for Ellie. We greet Kalkah and get some fruit, then are well on our way home when a snowball hits us hard on the back of the head.

"Ah! Lyann, why..!?" ~Eldric turns around, and sees the redheaded beauty looks ready to cry

She's standing still while holding a few snowballs against her breasts while holding another on her hand, looking as if she's ready to cry, eyes red with a tear hanging from each

"Idiot!" ~she throws a snowball at us~ "You are okay with Mako, and Stella, and Zoe, and Kalkah, and.. and..." ~oh god she's crying now. What.. what do we do!?

>Let her throw us her snowballs, then go and hug her
>Demand that she stops it this minute. We are not sleeping with any of them either, are we!?
>Other