http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/justin-turrentine-happy-endings-for-disney-villains

How would the villains reconstruct their empires once in power?

I am assuming in Maleficent and Madam Mim domains it would just be a fuckhuge forest. Grimhilde borders with them though and she might go for the expansionist kingdom.

I'm assuming Hades would just make his share of the world full of monuments and symbols to the underworld and his own image

>>36009752
I like the idea of a few major powers fighting over the world, largely through proxies. I could see Hades empowering Ursula to take the seas away from his Nephew, or the Horned King entering in to a pact with Chernobog. The Americas probably belong, in one way or another, to the Other Side. Most of the disney movies set in the Americas seem to have a more industrialist moral, which works well with their theme.

Writer of the little Rourke speech near the end of the last thread here, I thought I would try my hand at another one; I was thinking maybe after Dr. Facilier took over.

"My fellow Atlanteans, today I wish to speak to you about a tragedy that has befallen one of our long time Allies. These past few weeks the sovereign nation of Louisiana has fallen into the clutches of a Sorcerer by the name of "Doctor" Facilier. This is without a doubt the greatest tragedy to befall our world since the freezing of Arrendale.

I know that there have been calls among the people for war, a Crusade to liberate our fellow men and women from this madman. It is a noble cause, a just cause, but my fellow Atlanteans it is a cause we cannot pursue.

The foul powers that this "Doctor" commands, while not enough to defeat our armies, would require such an investment of our armies that they would leave us too vulnerable at home. My heart goes out to the people of Louisiana, and I want to help them; but if helping them means giving the Sea Witch of the Atlantic or the False Pope a chance to destroy everything we have fought and sacrificed to preserve here then it is help that I, that we cannot afford to give."
-Imperial President Lyle Rourke, Speech given after the Fall of New Orleans

>>36009915

That's pretty good, man. I think it would be really fun to have a campaign about an A-Team like squad that leaves Atlantis to try and get vital information, or just to assault one of the many forces in a tactical strike.

>>36010042
Actually, that might be a good setup for a game, since we're talking about this. Atlantean funded and equipped special forces going around to try and destabilize the other realms.

I'm getting the image of a party with Atlantis-Turn of the century hybridized blue lightning rifles having a firefight in some boarded up New Orleans bar with some shadow-man minions right now.

>>36010134

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, the Pontifex's Inquisition kicks down the door to what was once a cathedral, but now is only ruins, looking for the group there.

>"Are you a man of faith, Inquisitor?"
>"Then you better start askin' for mercy."

Cue the whole place lighting up to reveal not only the atlanteans, but also a small resistance of Gypsies on the second floors.

>"BY FIRE BE PURGED! FOR THE PONTIFEX!!"

>>36010212
There's some real potential here. Something in the style of Dark Heresy or Only War in terms of mechanics, maybe?

>>36010134
This whole setting could make for a pretty epic campaign. I doubt even Atlantis-level tech would be able to do much against, say, Chernabog or Hades, but that's not to say you couldn't start fixing shit in small areas and build up resistance as more and more of the world is freed.

Also, it's pretty easy to imagine how even one of the major villains being allowed to succeed would tip the balance in such a way that more and more of them would beat the 'heroes' of their respective stories and thus lead to the world being the way it is.

>"Sir, there is nothing left. If we keep moving south or east, we will be found."

>"I know you don't want to risk it, sir. But if we are going to die anyway, I'd rather die for that one chance. Atlantis can't win this alone."

>"If we are going to give every man a real fighting chance....We need the Ice Queen."

>>36009915
These speeches are pretty damn great man.

Would you have any interest in doing old news reports or recordings or whatever of the beginning of this whole mess, when Chernabog won or Olympus fell to Hades and shit started to go downhill?

You guys are taking the campaign concept down a bit of a different road than I'd imagined. I saw it more as starting off as a generic fantasy campaign, probably in a last safe haven in the forests of Europe, moving into a spooky mystery as the party leaves the safety of their home. I'd try to keep the fact that it was Disney a secret for as long as possible.

>>36010377
I'll see what I can whip up. I'm thinking... Newsreel this time.

>>36010449
These threads have actually got me wondering about how other kid's shows and movies would turn out if the villians won.

>>36010522
Please don't, we have trouble staying on topic as is

>>36010582
's why I didn't go into detail

>>36010449
That's one of the cool things about this in my opinion- you could go a lot of different routes with it.

You could also combine those two ideas- have it start out as a regular fantasy campaign, and once the players figure out what's going on, they could make contact with whoever you decide is going to be trying to fix shit and go from there into trying to liberate what parts of the world you can.

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>>36010449

That's the idea. The world is so screwed up that when you finally namedrop a character, their reation should be priceless

>An entire campaign running around a Paris that is reshaped and often alight with fire and steel, and INquisitoon

>You finally reach the final boss, one of the chief Inquisitors, and defeat him. You get what you were looking for

>He walks back, near the window, and with his dying breath....

>"Your heresy will never win, infidels. Let the horrors beyond our borders take you! Let Hades burn you! Glory to Pontifex Frollo!"

>their faces when

So I was just thinking. This is how I would go about making this a more heroic and idealistic campaign

>The party wake up in the middle of the night in Atlantis, with a voice calling on heir heads A la Link to The Past

>It's the voice of The Crystal, Kida's conscience merged with the Heart of Atlantis reaching out to people who have the heart to try and put an end to all the chaos.

>It sends them either towards Facilier to give the people their shadows and souls back and mount a resistance, or to Arrendell to try and break Elsa out of her century-long despair.

>The resistance thing would be a lot more possible, but slower. They wouldn't actually take down Facilier, only let somethings slip from his fingers and then work from there

>Meanwhile Arrendell is a fucking death zone because that cold could freeze polar bears solid

Then they'd possibly go and try to mess with The Three Witches. Madam Mim, Maleficent and Grimhilde. Madam Mim would be the tricky one, possible and a good disruptor. Grimhilde would be the hard-but-very-effective deal in disrupting the power balance. Maleficent would be just the near impossible, but VERY high reward mission.

I'll just leave this here:
http://themechanisms.bandcamp.com/album/once-upon-a-time-in-space

Do you guys think Yzma would stand a chance holding out against Faciler? Would she rule the southern continent, an ageless queen with her knowledge of potioncrafting? Could she use her skills to hold out against the Shadow King?

>>36010713
I think that this setting would make for a pretty amazing nobledark campaign. The world is a horrifying place but there's some hope for it to be fixed. If you start small, weakening and eventually deposing minor villains, you can build up resistance to help topple some of the bigger ones. Sure the cost would be high, and it'd be less MURDERHOBOS and more 'slowly build up a resistance and destabilize the villains until a revolution/overthrow can take place', but it could be pretty amazing if done well. Hell you could even try to play some of the villains against each other; I'd imagine it'd certainly be doable to get a conflict between Grimhilde and Maleficent going, for example.

>>36010885

I feel like she would need some more hardcore magic to keep it up. Facilier's tactics are more of a "let's trick them into playing right into our hands" than an all out attack, but he could just send his shadow demons to assasinate her in her sleep

Unless she keeps a lever to produce a miniature sun in case of emergency, just to do away with all those pesky shadows.

Which would be awesome

>>36010934
YOu know she would

>>36010944

Just imagine Izma going on about her business, rulling the empire no better than Cuzco would and then just casually pulling that lever on regular intervals

"Hmm....No, no! Clearly, the monument to my glory needs to be better! You have to use TWO mountain ranges to-- Give me a second."

>She casually, without even looking, pulls a lever on the wall that lights up the whole room. A shadow that was stalking her with a knife screeches and is dissolved. Room returns to normal lighting.

>"Where was I? Oh, yes. TWO MOUNTAIN RANGES! Now go! I have to deal with Kronk's stupid son...And that Llama."

Yzma sleeps in a chamber where every wall and object emits constant light. No shadows, no problem.

>>36010983
Or she just does it

Newsreels are tricky to do with only text, so I've tried to give the impression of
their format through the use of [text] for the title cards and a <text> for a brief
description of the video that would accompany it

[Titans Freed]
In a shocking and unforseen betrayal Hades, Olympian Lord of the dead and Brother of Zeus,
has raided the prison realm of Tartarus and released the elemental Titans from their bonds!
><Hades releasing the Titans through their whirlpool>
Now the Titans run rampant across the countryside, the armed forces of the City states have
not had any success in repelling them so far. The armies of Athens and Thebes have already
been defeated in the field.
><The Titans Freezing, burning and otherwise demolishing Hoplites.>
The Titans path is clear, and it is heading straight for Mount Olympus. As the golds prepare
to defend their homes, the question every greek seems to be asking is "Where is Hercules?"
><Zeus preparing his lightning bolts, panicking Greeks in front of the Hercules billboard>

[The Hunt for Justice in Paris!]
As the King's army continues its campaigns in Caliphate held Iberia, trouble is brewing on
the home front. A recent wave of crime, both violent and theft has swept over the City of Paris.
><Guards blocking a broken in door to a home, a thief running through a crowded market>
The newly appointed Minister of Justice Claud Frollo promises an end to the crime spree, and
suggests that the surge of Gypsy refugees from the trouble in the east may be partly to blame.
><A younger Frollo speaking to a crowd, A large Gypsy caravan entering the city.>
Despite this indictment, the Minister promises fair treatment of all city residents, refugee
or otherwise; and upholds the age old agreement of Sanctuary with the City Cathedral.
><The Cathedral of Notre Dame, with Young Frollo and the Bishop shaking hands before the door>

<Little bit more coming>

>>36011061
[Finding the Lost City?]
The S.S. Venture sets sail today on a groundbreaking private venture. The crew, funded by the wealthy recluse Mr.
Preston Whitmore, head towards Iceland with the hope of rediscovering the Lost City of Atlantis.
><Ship pulling out of harbor, Map showing projected route towards Greenland>
The expedition lead by Commander Lyle Rourke claims to have discovered an ancient document that details the sinking
of the city, its approximate location and how to reach its current location on the bottom of the sea!
><Rourke waving for the camera, talking to Milo Thatch who is holding the Journal>
Using an advanced new ship design known as a Sub-marine the expedition will journey to the bottom of the sea and,
according to their plan, locate a passage into the caves that lead to the city itself. What ancient mysteries and historical
artefacts await these intrepid explorers in the frozen north?
><Above shot of the Ulysses, hand animated diagram of the submarine descending to a cave on the seafloor.>

>>36010976
Given her command of transmogrification, I imagine she could create some pretty fearsome warbeasts.
What would the villains trade with each other? Izma has her potions and warbeasts, Gothel has the immortality stuff, I imagine Rourke has mercenary companies (a convenient cover to insert spec ops teams, funneling refugees back to Atlantis, and getting paid to do it). What else would there be?

>>36011061
>>36011078
GOLD. Nice job man.

>>36011126

Maybe Hades and Facilier trade souls from time to time? I can definitely see these two having something going on, but full of suspicion.

Facilier doesn't want his Friends to think of double crossing him and go to Hades brcause he's got more souls, and Hades simply does not want those interdimensional horrors near his business. But they probably stick with Facilier because fresh spuls taste better.

That said, I bet Jaffar is just the best in economical power. The desert is always shown to be full of wonders and exotic goods; remember how much shit Alladin had in his Prince Ali disguise? The sultans had more. And Jaffar is above them all

>>36011290
Come to think of it, what are the limits on Jaffar's power? Genies seemed pretty omnipotent in the movie.

>>36011426
If anyone ever gets ahold of his lamp he's pretty fucked. He probably set it up in a highly guarded area, and fears to go too far from it in case he's betrayed.

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Behold, the fruit of my labor!
Europe:
Rust: Kingdom of the Cauldron (Horned King, The Black Cauldron)
Brown: Land of the Bear (Mor'du, Brave)
Yellow Archidocesis Pontifices Immortalis (Judge Frollo, The Hunchback of Notre Dame)
Green: Fae Lands (Maleficient, Sleeping Beauty)
Purple: Holy Roman Empire (Queen Grimhilde, Snow White)
Red: Caliphate of Agrabah (Jafar, Aladdin)
Cyan: Olympus (Hades, Hercules)
Black: Bald Mountain (Chernobog, Fantasia)
Light Blue: Ardelle (Queen Elsa, Frozen)
Pink: Pleasure Island (The Coachman, Pinnochio)
Africa:
Orange: Pridelands (Scar, The Lion King)
Green: Land of the Leopard (Queen La, Tarzan)
Beige: Dino Island (Carnotauri, Dinosaur)
Asia:
Bronze: Hunnic Empire (Shan Yu, Mulan)
Orange: Sher Khanate (Sher Khan, The Jungle Book)
Green: Subjugate of Kaa (Kaa, The Jungle Book)
Dark Blue: The Free Creatures (Bagheera, The Jungle Book)
Orange-Red: Kingdom of the Red Flower (King Louis, The Jungle Book)
Pink Eastern Co-Prosperity Syndicate (Kabuki-Dude, Hero Team 6)
Americas:
Olive: Rourke Company LLC. (Lyle Tiberius Rourke, Atlantis)
Dark Purple: Shadowlands (Dr. Fallcier Princess and the Frog)
Aquamarine: Spirit Realm (Aurora Borealis, Brother Bear)
Dark Brown: DOOMtown (Dr. Doom, Who Framed Rodger Rabbit)
Crimson: Eldorado (Tzekel-Kan, The Road to Eldorado. Fuck you it's a good movie and Disney doesn't have any mesoamerican films)
Light Purple: The Sunless Empire (Yzma, The Emperor's New Groove)
Misc:
Purple: Ursella's Islands (Ursella, The Little Mermaid)

>>36011862
Lilo and stitch?

>>36011862
Think Chernobog should cover most of Russia.

>>36011981
At the very least he should have chernobyl

>>36011862
This is pretty much perfect, however I feel as though McLeach (rescuers down under) should ruling over australia.

>>36011981
This. Chernobog and Hades are probably the top tier I'm terms of power, along with maybe Ursula assuming she has the trident. But then she rules the sea so the average shmuck probably doesn't have much interaction with her.

>>36012362
I should add that other than this that map is really damn good.

>>36011862
I appreciate what you did here, m8, but shouldn't Frollo get France? I realize that Maleficent's setting really feels like France, but still.

>>36011947
The Intergalactic Council took one look at planet Earth and NOPEd the fuck out of there.

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Just woke up and glad to see that this thread is still here. Going to be catching up while I wake up and posting while at work.

I've really been liking the turnabout that seems to be going on with Imperial President Lyle T. Rourke and the state of Atlantis. While Rourke is clearly a despot who is concerned only with money and glory, he is nowhere near the most unreasonable villain in this world we have created for him. He has the capability for reasonable, rational thought despite his temper, and is surrounded by legitimately good characters like Krystal Kida/the Heart of Atlantis, Milo, Helga, Audrey, Sweet, Mole etc. etc.that will act to rein in his worst attributes somewhat.

Given the fact that they have Atlantean and WWI Era technology at their disposal, shields, golems, mecha, submarines, laser weaponry, magitech bombs, airships and guns aplenty, I would love to see the Lost Empire crew become an "A-Team" of mercenaries traveling the world, conducting covert operations against the villains. Atlantis might actually be poised to do the most good in this world we've created.

Where's Clayton in all of this? Wouldn't he be thrilled with the opportunity to hunt down Shere Khan, Scar and the other beast-kings?

>>36013769
I'm not sure what has been brainstormed thus far, but I agree that he might not be a "landed" villain like the others but would be roaming the globe with his band of likeminded hunters, Gaston, whoever it was that shot Bambi's mother, etc., trying to hunt the Beast Kings down for sport.

>>36013769
Yeah, he's running around hunting folk. Probably got Bambi already.

>>36011862
I think we need Radcliffe's area. Prospector's Govenorate?

>>36011981
Not up to date on my geography, but Chernobog was a Slavic deity, so he should have the Balkans as his base of power.

>>36009627
How are we planning to handle to weird-ass anachronisms? I mean on one hand, you have low-fantasy settings like the Lion King and Mulan, on the other you have straight-up WWI era tech with Space Magic in Atlantis. Does stuff just stop working when you travel from one domain to another, or is it the entire setting going for a strange combination of Rifts and Ravenloft

>>36014057
Would anyone complain about Cauldronborn with Lee Enfields?

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>>36012328
Second. I mean, come on, he had the coolest ride in all of Disney.

What do you bet that McLeach, Clayton and Gaston are all part of an elite global huntsman club?

>>36014098
Their "job" was to hunt down bigass animals that stood in the way of progress, such as Scar, Shere Khan and others so that the local empires may progress further into unclaimed wilderness.
Their true job is to hunt down Robin Hood and King Richard.

>>36014087
The cauldronborn would've been amazing in WWI. They weren't afraid to charge over the No Man's Land, and even if they weren't more likely to survive doing so they're easily replaceable, perfect for a war of attrition.

You know, I'll bet that because of the extreme saturation of evil, Hitler never had a chance to rise to power....

>>36014087
Nah, but it just strikes me as odd that The Lion King (Who don'tt even have thumbs) and Emperor's New Groove aren't immediately getting their shit kicked in by superweapon toting motherfuckers like Rourke and Hades.

>>36014132
Speaking of that, what's this guy's position in this setting?

>>36014132
If we're talking about a world where all the villains won, wouldn't Robin and Richard already be dead by John's plots?

Of course, as someone suggested last thread, John was defeated by the Horned King and banished to that one island from Bedknobs and Broomsticks.

>>36014141
I'd put geography to that one.

>>36014176
Perhaps the Pridelands have gone a lot more Fisher King. Can't march across there without floods, localised heatwaves or the ground opening up beneath your feet.

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>>36014156
Forgot image, sorry.

>>36014156
I'd say
>>36014164

What would Jaffar's kingdom be like? Given that he wasn't pushed to desperate measures, I don't think he'd have wished to become a genie. And the Sultan's love of the little mechanical toys does seem like the Sultan wasn't all that...great of a leader. So maybe it was less ambition in this world and more cutting out the middleman?

Hell, that might be cool, one lowly human sorcerer having to scrape and claw his way to the level of actual gods and demons. Or maybe he just has to deal with shit from the Aladinn tv show. That might be interesting as well.

>>36014057
I think that it might be safest to set the "present day" to be sometime in this world's analogous 1960s or so, to allow for more modern settings like Atlantis and the Princess and the Frog to occur.

The Old World is caught in the grips of a collection of more or less immortal, supernatural, despotic rulers, giving the emmigration to the New World much more significance as the Americas, barring South America, are beyond the reach of their powers. This allows for some industrialization and modernization to occur.

>>36011862
Might want to put the legend on the map so it can be more easily referenced in the future.

>>36014164
>>36013737

I don't think that every Disney hero and heroine need necessarily be killed for the Villains to have succeeded. There ought to be some NPCs, groups and even countries that the players can turn to for aid.

>Atlantis, Kida the Heart and the original Expedition Crew
>Robin Hood and his Merry Men
>Mulan
>Merlin
>Genii, if his lamp can be rescued from Jaffar
>Etc. etc. etc.

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>>36014269
Not that guy, but I did that.

>>36014316
Add to this list Queen Elsa of Arrendell, if we're portraying her as mad from grief rather than strictly villainous, and potentially redeemable by the PCs.

So, what exactly went down in the Kingdom of the Bear?

>>36014141
Hades doesn't actually give much of a shit about the real world; he conquered Olympus and that's where he spends most of his time, with the occasional dip into his reign to take care of business and frequent visits to Tartarus to taunt his brother. His earthly realm is more like a gigantic playground for his Titans to devastate to their hearts' content.

Still, I imagine that Scar and Queen La are somewhat on edge at the thought of similar forces of nature so close to their borders.

>>36014532
Wait, are we keeping Queen La as the victorious villain for Tarzan?
Does... does that mean that she actually got Tarzan as a mate?

>>36014551
And Jane.

>>36014551
Both Clayton and Queen La are victorious, mostly so we don't just have Scar ruling all of Africa.

>>36014710
Good point.

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>>36014098
We need to shoop McLeach into this.

>>36014354
>>36011862
>Crimson: Eldorado (Tzekel-Kan, The Road to Eldorado. Fuck you it's a good movie and Disney doesn't have any mesoamerican films)
Well if we're going to include honorary Disney, then shouldn't Russia be ruled by the lich-mode Rasputin from Anastasia?

>Decades after everything went to shit, numerous heroes have risen to try to reclaim the world for goodness and peace. None have succeeded
>The Evil Ones have strengthened their footholds, and lacking anyone to challenge them, have started attacking each other's borders.
>The Sea Queen Ursala is routinely repelled off the coasts of all coastal regions, except Australia.
>The Pontifices Immortalis frequently makes attempts to seek and burn heretics in the Fae Lands, occasionally successful.
>The Huns have had their eye on the Animal Lands for some time, and recent skirmishes appear to be testing their defenses, possibly signalling a future invasion.

>But on that day, everything changed, when a green light fell from the sky and struck the planet, washing all over the world.
>For reasons unexplained, perhaps magical protection, willpower, or being the right level of badass, some were unaffected by the light.
>Those who ere unable to resist lost their wills, their eyes green with an evil otherwordly glow.

>Shortly after, a massive steel battleship descended to Earth, apparently detecting there was some free will left on the planet. A booming voice rang out that reached the ears of all on the planet.
>"People of Earth, enjoy your remaining time, soon all will be under Evil Emperor Zerg!"

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>Skimming through 1st thread in archive
>Come across >>35977012 (pic related)
>Trying to figure out how to put my thoughts into words
>Ideas of a campaign where you gather the surviving heroes of the different movies to form/lead a resistance army
>How Genie & Carpet are your travel guides/contacts
>Picture would be one of the missions
>Not sure if Jaffar and Ursula showed up to wreck your shit or to wreck Maleficent's shit
>Not sure if Aladin's been dead or just heroic sacrificed
>Trying not to hear Robin Williams Genie voice because "please no, I don't wanna get real world sad"
>Notice Genie's beyond-massive dong
>Ribcage feels like it's gonna cave in

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So this is basically a setting where every major Disney villain managed to get to pic related?

How does that work for the villains that are just animals? Scar seems toxic to the land itself but what happens to the humans in say, India?

>>36014791
Everything is prey to Shere Khan, who is some sort of kaiju tiger now.

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>>36014748
Russia already has a canonical menace.
Well okay, he's from the Balkans according to someone in the thread, but he's a big guy and needs room to stretch.

>>36014812
I'd say everything was already prey for Shere Khan. Everyone was afraid of him in the Jungle Book, and he ran shit in Talespin.

>>36014791
>>36014812
>Large sections of Africa and India are overrun by hyper-vicious predators
>The Middle East is still a war-torn land in constant chaos, only instead of Muslims vs. Jews (vs. Muslims), it's Lions & Hyenas vs. Tigers

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>>36014748
Oh, we can post these now?

I suppose Mickey and co aren't part of the universe?

Because there's no way in hell Scrooge could ever lose.

>>36014812
>>36014843
What allows Shere Khan to survive such powerful neighbors such as Shan Yu and Jafar?

>>36014883
Right. We're essentially using the animated feature films as the core, and then adding in the "expanded universe" content where it fits and where it works. Some aspects of the televised cartoons and shorts might be included. Various countries, cultures and characters seen in the Aladdin cartoon series might easily be worked into the world, for instance, while Mickey and his crew might not.

>>36014923
It's what tigers do best.

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But what about Kronk?

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>>36014923
Perhaps he has nothing of value, and thus isn't worth the trouble.
>>36014748
>searching for candid image of McLeach to shoop in
>they're all either in an unsuitable pose or too small
Any chance we could salvage pic related?

Also, I know he's really small time, but remember the old man from the Fox and the Hound?

>>36014940
I don't know why, but Kronk strikes me as a Deckard Cain type character in this setting.

>>36014883
Scrooge plays a role similar to the Rothschild family in our world.

He's the infinitely rich banker propping up the various villains' kingdoms around the world, secretly pulling the strings from behind the scenes.

>>36014940
He's a ranger travelling the world.

Seriously, do you think he could ever get in trouble? He probably learned where the fountain of youth was back during his Chipmunk days.

>>36014973
You also have Man from Bambi.

>>36010976
only after she accidentally pulls the other lever that leads to the croc pools

>>36014923
He has become so strongly associated with fear that he has become a living incarnation of that feeling. Upon entering the jungles he calls home, you can feel hidden eyes spying you, you can hear padded paws stalking you and circling your camp, and you can do that because the jungle is completely silent. Not a bird nor a monkey dares make a sound for fear of getting the Dread King's attention.

>>36014986
Eh, you never really saw his face though.

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>>36014973
Okay, found a better candidate.

So while Shere Khan and Scar are running the shit out of Africa, I assume Sabor is just freely roaming in there not giving a shit and nobody bothers her?

I think someone mentionedi n the last thread that if she mated with Scar the offspring would be the ultimate badass cat. Maybe Shere Khan and Scar both have their eyes on her for a mate but she's without many fucks to give

>>36015143
I have this hilarious image in my mind of both Scar and Shere Khan boasting that they're going to get it on with Sabor, and the next day they come back to their lairs full of scratch and bruises that no one has the heart to comment.

>>36014204

Well, his wish WAS to become the Most Powerful Sorcerer In The World. That puts him above Madam Mim, Merlin, Grimhilde.....

Unless we have a distinction between wizards and sorcerors or some other shit. I'd say even if not as a genie his power level is respectable.

I like to think that he kept his empire strong with a lot of trade and subtle manipulation, and simply reminding everybody sometimes that he is indeed more trouble than it is worth at that point.

Did we at any point establish what happened to the kingdom from Tangled?

>>36014923
I believe that both of them hold an unspoken respect for the beast that strikes fear into the greatest of men. That and Shan Yu tried that once, and his men ran scared

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>>36015189

Nope, just what happened to Mother Grothel

I like to think that Elsa's ice reached it and now people are still alive because it's not quite THAT cold, but it's pretty bad. Rapunzel is still in her tower, but getting weaker every day and her hair shines less and less. Mother Grothel is currently crapping her pants, thinking what will happen when her immortality serum finally runs out.

>>36015181

>Whole forest fears Shere Khan like he's the devil incarnate and Scar is still the king

>Sabor just straight up says "Bitch." And slaps the shit out of them when they try to get funny and just vanishes like only a leopard can

>mfw

>>36015143
India is actually part of Asia.

Alrighty, so since according to this map >>36014354

South America is the only area in the world MOSTLY free ot evil influence, what can we assume from that? They're allied with Atlantis? Or something else has kept the evil from seeping in too deep?

Or maybe right now it's a sort of no-man's land. Agents from literally EVERYBODY roam the streets, trying to seize power, amongst the common folk

>>36009627
>star wars
>Palpatine was smart and waited til the Death Star 2 was a bit more complete before luring the rebels to his trap.
>luke falls to the darkside after his friends are destroyed
>lando, han, leia, and maybe wedge are able to escape, but they all believe luke has been destroyed
>Vader escapes in disgrace

>>36009915
>mfw rourke chose rapture

>>36014475
Seriously, what's going on in the Kingdom of the Bear? Who rules it? What is it about Mor'du that keeps the Cauldronborn at bay?

>>36015283

Mor'du is a big, huge, fucking huge, fucking bad bear that nobody manages to kill.

I like to think that the region is "oficially" anexed to one of the other kingdoms, but nobody goes there because there's a demonr roaming in the dark

>>36015308
The Horned King tried, but he kept losing his beloved Cauldron Born to the thing, and just said 'Sod it, the bear can have Scotland.'

Speaking of HK, his motive was to essentially become a god of the dead by killing or enslaving everybody. I'd like to imagine he's trying to think of a way to usurp Hades - perhaps by getting enormous numbers of dead things resurrected by the Black Cauldron so that he has more undead under his command than Hades.

>>36011290
>Hades and Facilier trade souls.
Reading this caused the image of the two leafing through files of souls, examining the quality.
>"Ooh! An Atlantean soldier. I'll give you four of these courtiers for it. Those extortionists in the City of the Stars say it's fair, but I think you're getting the better of it."
The soul of some opium flower? Not a chance. You couldn't afford it.

>>36015308
What about the hunter trio extraordinaire? Did they try?

>>36014923
It might be best to think of Shere Khan and Scar less as flesh and blood tigers and lions and more as forces of nature.

>>36015339

They're trying to get to Shere Khan and Scar before the Huns invade. They'll go after the bear later.

Or maybe Beast survived his wounds a long time ago and now roams in his beast state, forever cursed. They might go after him

>>36015333

>More dead under his command than the ex-God of the Dead

>The guy that has everything that ever died from dinosaurs up to the point where Facilier started stealing souls

>laughingwhores.jpg

>>36015375
The British Isles are just becoming one massive excavation pit. Can't fault a guy for trying.

>>36015308
A beast-king that even Clayton and company are a bit afraid to go after, then.

Might there be a rebellion against the Horned King based in the Kingdom of the Bear? Deadly as he is, Mor'du is ONE bear. He can't be everywhere at once, unlike the countless Cauldronborn. So the rebels have taken a gamble by hiding and gathering their strength in Mor'du's shadow. And of course, there is talk of trying to gain control over Mor'du.....come to think of it, if you cured him of his madness, he could be a pretty potent ally. How's that for a PC mission?

>>36015394

It seems that most of the win conditions/hope for this world involves the heroes snapping some of the antagonists out of their madness or grief to have some allies. Elsa, now Mor'du, etc

>>36015412
You can beat the Horned King by throwing yourself into the Black Cauldron. Of course, since the mist dissolves people and anyone it kills becomes Cauldron Born, that would probably be a very pyrrhic victory.

>>36015181
>Shere Khan and Scar decide to finally see who's the meaner cat in the world
>meet on neutral ground
>neither wants to fight, really
>Scar is still a coward, Shere considers it would ruin his style
>engage in a smug-off
>the smug-off lasts for months
>in the end, both become best friends

>>36015394

So something alongside the lines of the resistence fucking with the Cauldron born everywhere, but makign look like it was Mor'du to make it look like they REALLY don't wanna cross the bear that can be everywhere? I can dig it.

>>36015435
I haven't seen that movie sadly, but how many people would know that? I feel like that would be a violation of basic common sense for most people unless they we explicitly told what to do

>>36015339
Who do those three work for, anyway? Are they freelancers?

>>36015185
Yeah that's the same I was thinking. Not the strongest bastard but certainly one of, if not the, cleverest bastards.

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>>36015444

>They both come back months later boasting that it was THIS CLOSE, and that next time they wouldn't even break a sweat

>They leave again after a while, boasting about beating that coward wimp into a pulp

>When they get to the neutral groudn they are absolutely cordial with one another, tell stories, share a snack, talk shit about their stupid minions, oogle Sabor a bit and go away, saying that they'll definitely do this again sometime

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>>36015412
>>36015394
>fully grown Arthur is the leader of the rebellion
>finds Excalibur
>confronts Mor'du
>Excalibur held great significance to Mor'du when he was still a man, for, knowing that whoever wielded it would be invincible in battle and the rightful ruler of the great isle, he had searched for it himself
>the very sight of it is enough to reassemble his shattered mind
>he acknowledges Arthur as the great king
>Arthur rides into battle atop Mor'du, smiting the hordes of the Cauldronborn with Excalibur's awesome power

>>36015412

>Curing Ice Queen Elsa's madness and lonliness, convincing her to thaw Arrendell and use her powers or create a snowlem army to affect change.

>Stealing Genii's lamp from Jaffar's palace and using their wishes and Genii's phenomenal cosmic power to set things on a better course.

>Convince Rourke or overthrow him, use the full might and magitech of Atlantis and Kida's Crystal Heart to wage a world war against the forces of darkness.

>>36015544
>still get their shit kicked in by Chernobog because lol can't ring church bells if God's dead

>>36015540

>The Bear slowly approaches the lone knight, who holds the Sword in his hands.

>As he comes, Mor'du slowly stands on two paws, towering over Arthur, sneaking close with bared teeth

>"The Sword of the King..."

>"MY sword, Mor'du."

>There is silence

>Mor'du could rip him apart with one strike, but doesn't. In his eyes, something that hasn't been there for a long, long time.

>Wonder.

>Mor'du crashes down back on four feet, and bows his head

>"My king."

>TO BE CONTINUED

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>>36015512
Some art, a bit of discussion on what each villain is doing in the meantime, and how Atlantis is one of the safer places to be considering all the shit going on around the world.

>>36014973
>I know he's really small time, but remember the old man from the Fox and the Hound?

Yeah but he was more of a grumpy old hunter with secret feelings for the old lady with the fox. He was hardly a villain at all. The freaking massive bear from the fox and the hound could be Europe's or North America's Shere Khan though

>>36015570
Yeah Chernobog, Hades and maybe truton-Ursula would be extremely hard to deal with even if you managed to sort out the rest.

>>36015512

do want....

do want so bad.

>>36015570

>Implying he isn't simply away

>IMplying God wouldn't bring his eyes back to Earth if his symbols and true faith were restored, and his ideals once again spread

>Implying defeating Pontifex Immortalis Frollo and for the first time, singing The Bells Of Notre Dame like Quasimodo would wouldn't make a sound so pure, it would reverbate all the way to Chernabog's domains

>Implying he wouldn't shit his pants then

>>36015596
You know, I remember watching that movie in English class, and the teacher asking us for ways it was similar to a Midnight Summer's Dream. I pointed out that those two old coots were Oberon and Titania.

>>36015605
If you could deal with Hades, I'd imagine that getting Poseidon to help against Ursula would be a viable option.

>>36015570

It seems then that Chernobog might be the biggest bad of the setting, who's emergence into the world and the light-to-dark tone shift it brought was the catalyst for the villains' victories.

Still, no matter how bad the world is, its still theoretically a noble-dark one, so the PCs and the forces of good still need some means and ways by which they can make things better.

>>36015641
I'd think it's the other way around, since Ursula's lower on the food chain: You defeat Ursula to gain access to the seafloor and free the Olympians from Tartarus, and THEN you take on Hades.

>>36015659
Another option is going through the Underworld, seeing as that's where Tartarus is in mythology. Nother option and all that.

>>36015659
Ursula is holding Triton's trident, which he got from his father, Poseidon.

So if you want to defeat Hades, you need to beat Ursula, use the trident to open a gateway to Tartarus (since there are two gates - one deep underground, the other under the sea) and free the Olympian gods.

>>36015608
>>36015641
>>36015659
>>36015684
Each and every one of this is something that could take a whole campaign.

>>36015533
>"You know what I absolutely love doing?"
>"Infanticide?"
>"Infanticide!"

>>36015712
Right. This is definitely the sort of setting that would take multiple campaigns to completely "fix," each campaign ending with some sort of "we are the light in the darkness" type of victory.

>>36015712
>>36015759

Sounds about right

I like to think that since Disney was part of many childhood the players would be a lot more personally involved into the whole thing

>>36015712
I see all of this as a campaign that starts at the equivalent of level 5 in D&D and goes well into the epic levels.
>5-9: gathering allies
>10-14: slaying the beast kings
>15-19: dethroning the sorcerer-kings
>20-24: defeating Ursula, Hades, Djinn Jafar
>25+: Chernobog
Who else here would stat Chernobog as a balor with hundreds of advanced hitdice and a divinity rank of 15?

>>36015840
He's a Baernaloth.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

>>36015840

Aditionally, when they beat Facilier, he might say something along the lines of

"You think you have beaten me? Well, you might have, children....But as you may have noticed, I am not alone. My Friends on the Other Side....They will make sure I get my revenge!"

And then they need to stop the Other Side from seeping through, because THAT is some bigger-than-Chernabog shit. The only villains they can not actually defeat, but instead have to make sure doesn't come over

>>36015884
The things on the other side?
They're the authors.

>>36015778
Multiple Campaigns, each focusing on one of the movies
>Thawing the Ice Queen's Heart
>Starting World War Atlantis
>Stealing the Genii's Magic Lamp
>Freeing the Olympians
>Restoring Balance to the Pridelands
>Aiding Mulan's Women's Rebellion

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>>36015863
>Google Baernaloth
>it's skinny as fuck
>pic related
Chernabog's got way too much muscle, he has to be either a pit fiend or a balor.

>>36015652
This. Chernobog would probably be the culmination of your efforts.
The world is very dark at first, so you'd likely have to start off subtle, destabilizing minor villains and slowly building up a resistance of sorts, gaining allies and power with which to take on progressively bigger bads. How the players plan this sequence would be most likely as important if not more so than their actual exploits. Do something that pisses off the wrong villain, or alerts some villain too soon, or drives two villains together for whatever reason and you could fail. There's lots of choices to be made.

Do you have enough renown or enough to offer to form an alliance with Rourke in Atlantis? Will doing so make you a target for Ursula? Or should you try to depose one of the witches in Europe? Do you go at it head on, or try to turn them against each other?

>>36015901
>The Horned King and his Cauldronborn Legions versus Arthur's Rebellion

>>36015910
>Or should you try to depose one of the witches in Europe? Do you go at it head on, or try to turn them against each other?
Throw them a golden apple and enjoy the results.

>>36015903
They also invented Evil. They're the oldest and strongest Evil outsiders, the embodiment of Evil as the disease and corruption gnawing at the universe.

>>36015903
>>36015863

Chernabog is a Chernabog. Duh. Demons don't have unity of form, they are chaos. This is why Demogorgon, Orcus, and Grazzt are not balor-shaped or glabrezu-shaped or anything but Demogorgon, Orcus, and Grazzt-shaped, respectively. Also the Gnoll god. Same deal. Looks like a demon gnoll, not any kind of demon.

>>36015901

>Sailing the Seas to challenge Ursula
>Side campaign: Either defeat or Ally with Captain Hook on your way there

I like to think that you could have different parties all at once working to restore balance, and then when they all suceed at the same time...

>Radio starts up everywhere at once, and broadcasts in Atlantis do the job
>"Sir! It's the sun! The shadows are retrating, we have taken Back Lousiana!"
>"Reporting in from Europe! We have defeat the Horned King; Arthur is the king!"
>"Gentlemen, this is Hook speaking. With your comrades, we have taken dow nthe Witch Ursula....And we will be sailing by soon to get our payment for it! Yahahahaha!"
>From Paris, the radio has no voices....But everyone can hear the Bells.

>>36015964
True enough, but he is the right shape for either a balor or a pit fiend. Maybe he isn't exactly one of those with hundreds of advanced hitdice and 15 divine ranks, but that's a good approximation nonetheless.

>>36015977
Maybe King Arthur went full King-under-the-Mountain and the heroes have to wake him up before the Cauldron Born excavators do and drag him back to the Horned King's castle.

You know, I'd like to see powered up Ursula fight the Leviathan. The scale is about correct after all.
I think it'd actually be a pretty fair fight. Ursula does have domain over all the trees, sure; but in the opening scenes the Leviathan was flying...

>>36015977
>The Black Cauldron is destroyed, and the Horned King is no more! All hail King Arthur!

>>36015901
>finally finish all these campaigns
>"Hey, does the moon look different?"
>......"That's no moon... It's a space station."

>>36015977

I love everything about this.

So, how would you rate the various campaigns in terms of difficulty? The Frozen one sounds the easiest.

>>36016107
I think I would rate the forests with Madam Mim, Grimhilde and Maleficent the next step. Sure, they have magic and a lot of crazy shit but at least you can kind of walk around.

I think the hardest ones would be Frollo's Paris and Facilier's domains, because one has the Inquisition looking everywhere, and Facilier has his shadow demons which are EVEN BETTER at spionage.

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>>36014354
Hey I've got an updated map. Do the thing!
>New Territories
South America:
>Red: Never Never Land (Cpt. Hook, Peter Pan)
Australia:
Brown: Elite Global Huntsman Club (McLeah, The Rescuers Down Under)

>>36015977

>The Olympians burst out of Tartarus in thunder and lighting, clouds and rainbows, with the muses singing this song:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYpz3abAk98

Are we not doing star wars shit? Cause that's owned by disney now.

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>>36016173

Fuckin' perfect

>>36016173

We better get a damn constellation after this is over!

>>36016107
>Frozen (Have to convince Elsa)
>Lion King (Kill Scar, face Hyenas)
>Jungle Book (Kill Shere Khan, maybe have help from Kaa and King Loiue?)
>Tarzan (Kill Queen La, stop her bodyswapping)
>Snow White (Grimhilde has no powers asides from immortality and her all-seeing mirror)
>Hunchback of Notre Dame (Frollo is a lich without magical powers, but has his inquisition)
>Mulan (Shan Yu is an excellent fighter and is immortal, but his warriors are your basic hordesmen and you have the help of Mulan)
>Black Cauldron (Horned King is a powerful magician with a massive army and gwythaints, but the Cauldron is the source of his power and you have powerful allies)
>Sleeping Beauty (Maleficent is an extremely powerful fae)
>Princess and the Frog (Facilier and his Friends are now extremely powerful)
>Aladdin (Jafar is a Djinn or powerful, manipulative sorcerer, with lots of allies of his own)
>Little Mermaid (Ursula is practically a god, but you have Atlantis and the Pirate Lords)
>Hercules (Hades is a damn god of the dead, and in charge of Olympus)
>Fantasia (Chernabog is the demon-god of night and evil. Fear him.)

This has bit of a kingdom hearts feel to it. I mean yeah the villains don't win in kh but still especially that map someone drew of the different "areas", although I won't get too into it since KH tends to make people illogically angry.

Anyway everybody seems to think the bells of notre-dam have some kind of magic ability or something. What would happen if somebody actually rings the bells in this world, would it make some kind of cleansing aura, would it disintegrate frollo, draw chernobogs attention, or whatever, i ask because the hunchback of notre-dam is my favorite disney movie

And when the players are all tired of fighting the evil, they can visit Pleasure Island, or that circus Dumbo was in.

Are we only including animated films? Or does old stuff like 20,000 leagues count?

>>36016251

It's not magic, it's just because of what it represents

I like to think that under Frollo's rule, every time the bells ring, and it isn't too often, they don't produce a clear beautiful sound, but a deep, groaning wail that you can hardly recognize as a proper bell and even less as the famous bells of Before.

Ringing the bells with pure intention would produce a sound that the world has not heard in decades. The sound of good and hope and light and mercy.

Although I like to think that upon hearing the bells ring as they should for the first time in years, Frollo's spirit would leave his lich body. Maybe something inside him resonated with the bells and reminded him of what he once believed in.

What I mean is, Mister Anon, is that beyond the bells, there is an idea.


And ideas are bullet proof

>>36016163
I think Davy Jones, Barbarossa and Blackbeard would all be working with Captain Hook.

Or maybe it's an eternal battlefield amidst those islands for domination of the sea?

>>36016307
>And ideas are bullet proof

shouting at black people on the internet

what happened to Esmeralda and the hunchback and that cool knight guy, and the rest of the gypsies.
If you tell me Esmeralds becomes frollos sex slave i'll cry
and also get an erection

>>36016370
Oh you know they're all dead.

>>36016370

I think the general consensus is that his Gargoyle didn't fall down in the climax of the movie and he killed Quasimodo

Then most likely he raped Esmeralda and then burned her at the stake. Now her ribbon is his phylactery

Cool knight guy is probably dead

>>36016307

>The bells are ringing not only in Notre Dame, but across Paris and in the countryside beyond as Ponifex Frollo's soldiers and inquisitors are routed and the people of France regain control of their lives.

>The party finds Frollo on the roof of the cathedral beside an unusually lumpy looking gargoyle, one bony hand on its back as he looks out over the city as it celebrates, the fires and bloodshed over.

>Even for a lich Frollo looks weary, and he does not turn to face the party as they approach, instead looking out across the city or down to the decrepit gypsy scarf with the tarnished bells on it in his other hand.

>"I have not heard the bells of this city ring so beautifully in a long, long time. Ah, well. It is said that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions..."

>>36016380
>>36016395
what happened to the magic gargoyles and don't give me bullshit like they were all in quaimodos imagination this is still disney

also these posts got me thinking since alot of the protagonists are dead you could have a campaign centered about getting the good guys out of Hades.

>>36016251
>the players are being brought into the church by Quasimodo
>they climb up to the belltower, fighting Frollo's elite guards
>Frollo enters the Notre Dame himself, orders his minions to light the place on fire
>he's a lich, he'll just come back later on
>the players have to fight an incredibly powerful lich while Quasimodo's ringing the bell in a collapsing and burning church
>each ring makes the people of Paris pause and look towards the tower
>"Kyrie eleison" can be heard outside the burning church
>the people start praying outside of it for the first time in years
>the church is now a gaping maw to hell, held in check by thousands of prayers
>lich Frollo finally hears the bells
>looks up, sees the faces of the saints and gargoyles looking down on him
>they are angry, but they still forgive him
>lich Frollo gets stunned, takes out his phylactery
>it's Esmeralda's scarf
>begins fighting the players one last time, insanely claiming how he's not to blame
>"it's not my fault, I was only a man"
>he's now enraged, fighting like an undead beast
>the floor under him is on fire, he starts falling down
>his scarf gets caught in the rafters, it's the only thing holding him from falling down
>Quasimodo goes up to him, holding one scroll that's not burnt in this inferno
>Frollo tries to fight him off, but Quasimodo gives him a hand and whispers what's on the scroll
>"atonement"
>Frollo looks up, realizes what he's done
>the scarf-phylactery tears itself apart
>Frollo starts falling
>Quasimodo swings on the burning ropes, but is unable to catch him in time
>Frollo is consumed by the fires of hell
>the fire starts dying out, the bells still ring out
>suddenly rain starts falling, puts out the burning Paris
>far away, Chernobog is woken up by the ringing bells
>the entire mountain trembles in fear as the God of Evil realizes his time is nigh

>>36016444
>>36016436


"You can lie to yourself and your minions
You can claim that you haven't a qualm
But you never can run from
Nor hide what you've done from the eyes
The very eyes of Notre Dame!"

And in the end, he truly couldn't

>>36016442

Maybe the gargoyles are in hiding around Paris, forming a sort of word of mouth communications and information network for the gypsy resistance.

>>36016078
>Empire and Death Star vs Evil Emperor Zerg and his Unimind array

>>36014986
>>36015055
>He's the best hunter on earth right now
>even though he's part of the Gentleman Hunter's club, no one ever saw hiw face or know about his whereabouts. Some pretend he's immortal, since he's been on duty for years untold
>When the gentlemens are called in on a mission, he always strikes unseen
>Everyone only calls him "The Man", for he embodies everything that's terrifying about humanity, and especially the about hunters themselves

>>36016595
I like that.

>>36016595
seriously all the dude did was shoot a random deer
how is he more badass than just a random douchebag with a rifle.

So whqt if the party can recruit the Hunting Gentleman's League to help deal with Shere Khan and Scar? Makw aure they seem evil enoigh so the party knows something is up.

It could come back as a plot point later when Arthur recruits Mor'du, as they also want to hunt it. It could cause many interesting points

>>36016595
I imagine "the Man" is off in the Spirit Realm, trying to hunt down the totem animals.
The Elite Global Hunter's Club is small change for him

>>36016768
He shot one deer, and made children all over the world cry for years.

Truly this world has never known a mere man who could strike terror into the hearts of the living

>>36016927
still a very mundane individual
not implying he isnt a dick
or that i didn't cry like the child i was

>>36016768
The way he was presented mainly. Presentation is a lot in this world.

>>36016595
The way I see it, The Man should be the original founder of the Gentleman's Hunter's Club, as to keep the position of the greatest predator in man's hands.

>>36017001
Actually I like that idea. The Man not as a great hunter of the modern day like Gaston, but as the one who brought them together. Their revered founder.

His prizes may not have been as impressive as the Beast or the great apes of Africa, but when the club was founded such prizes were either not known or did not yet exists.

Let the hunters of today represent the monster slayers, and let the Man represent their humble, but ambitious beginnings.

Hey, it's just a thought, but

What if south america, aside from Izma's empire, is where most of the good magical beings fled to? The other faeries, some of the good spirits, etc, and that is why there isn't influence in there? They may be all weak now, but they can still hold their last line

>>36017056
kind of like what Atlantis is for the humans. I like idea this way we create both a magical and relatively mundane sanctuary.

>>36017056
Did we reach a consensus if Anastasia was to be given honorary disney status for the purpose of the setting? I believe The Road to El Dorado should be, if only to add another faction to south america.

That and I like Tulio and Miguel

>>36016540
Oh god. Any clonetroopers still alive would have flashbacks of the clonewars as they fought t Zerg's droid minions

>>36009627
Hey just had a thought. Jasmine would be a badass in this universe. Why?

She has a tiger as a friend. Perhaps....I can see her offing Abys Mal and taking his group of bandits as her own and being an eternal thorn in Jafar's side. Thoughts?

>>36017309
>Through accidental con games, Tulio and Miguel convince the remaining Good creatures that they are mighty warriors
>end up being made generals of the resistance

>>36017354
If she didn't get stuck as Jafar's trophy one way or the other, sure.

>>36017056
>>36017104

From what I remember, Yzma didn't have globe-spanning plans for world domination, and was pretty much just a petty magical mad scientist who didn't really care what you did as long as you didn't bother you.

Incidentally, is anyone else imagining this atlantis as a heavily fortified mixture of the Atlantis style of architecture and Turn of the Century America?

I don't know why but a couple in turn of the century garb and Atlantean style tattoos/hair strolling down a street out of 1900 New York while some of those fish things fly overhead trailing banner advertisements just seems perfect for the place.

>>36017376

Fucking

Fund it

>>36017426
Pretty much exactly how I'm imagining it. Half ancient stone Atlantean temples and towers and ziggurats, half metal, brick and concrete WWI Era fortifications and apple pie and eagles Americana, ala Bioshock's Columbia.

>>36017309


I am assuming that if Anastasia counts, then Rasputin would be rulling under Chernabog's command. He didn't strike me as particularly powerful, just powrrful enough to deal with the Romanofs

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>>36016163
The thing is done.

I like the idea of a party playing Scarlet Pimpernel types rescuing influential and important french nobles from Frollo's France

>>36017578
Weren't we going to have Radcliffe's Governorate?

>>36017610
We were. Not the original mapanon but I'll make a quick edit, see what I can do.

>>36017578
Wait, DOOMtown?
We have a DOOMtown? How does that work?

>>36017698
Maybe it's a hole in "reality", dampening magic and rotting away anything that tries to enter.

The ability to enter and see it as the "real world" (here, it would probably be a grotesque distortion of the real world) probably would require some sort of special protection.

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>>36017610
Here we are. I also changed the Shadowlands to closer reflect Luisiana Territory (With some south-western expansion into Texas) and changed Rourke's Company to the Imperial Republic of Atlantis, considering the writing that's been done about the place.

>>36017861
Just realised I put Virginia in misc instead of America. Damn.

what about the monster inc. doors depending on the theory they either travel thogh space or time. If the heroes or villiwns were able to take that dimension It would give them a way to turn the tides.

Also don't you think the presedent made a deal with the demon God, he gives him America and makes him look good, and the demon God gets to know if a special ops group or renal group try to make moves.

>>Queen Elsa
She wasn't the villain of the story. The ruler of that land would be Hans by the rules of this world.

>>36013828
This. There should be a loose alliance with him and Frollo IMO. Yes I get that one is protestant and one is catholic, but the rest of the world is covered with demon spawn, pagan gods, and talking animals, so I think it's time to let bygones be bygones on that particular front.

Interested to know what happened to the more penny-ante villains in this setting, guys like Gaston.
>Kills the Beast, local hero
>Starts a militia group to keep the horrors of the world at bay
>Effectively a warlord, sets up in Beasts' old castle, enslaves his living furniture
>Expands his territory, controls several rural counties in France
Another likely ally of Frollo

>>36017922
I think someone pointed out that Hans would have been next in line for the throne of the kingdom in Tangled, he probably took power there and is offering a large bounty for whoever can bring him the head of the Ice Queen

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It seemed better to make originial maps heavily inspired by the disney worlds they're in though instead.
So Queen Grimhilde may border the Horned Kings kingdom, etc

>>36017922
I think Gaston was part of the Huntsman's Club, last I heard.

>>36017972
I thought he was implying Hans would assassinate the royal family and take power in the civil war. He's not related to Tangled at all, he's from the Southern Isles, a Denmark analogue, while Corona is a Prussia analogue.

Bill Cykes from Oliver and Company should be running New York.

Just saying.

>>36014940
Still serving Yzma

>>36014791
>Scar seems toxic to the land itself
It's hyenas that are toxic, Scar just lets them go all out of control instead of keeping them in the shadows like lions are supposed to do.

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>>36017989
>It seemed better to make originial maps heavily inspired by the disney worlds they're in though instead.

One anon put in effort to make this map, but quite frankly it would've been the same as using another earth map and that wasn't the issue.

It is better to be more vague and relative with positioning before you'd do something like that, figure out where you want which disney villain in relation to who.

>>36018043
Nah, it's an actual thing they stole from Arthurian myth. It's the "the king and land are one" part.
If the king is good, the land is healthy and fertile. If the king is a douche, the land turns into a wasteland.

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>>36017989
>>It seemed better to make originial maps heavily inspired by the disney worlds they're in though instead.

Here's one from Thread 2 I think, where disney villains were put in as Sorcerer-Kings like the darksun setting.

Other disney villains not mentioned in this pic would've been present elsewhere(Clayton), or under one of the other villains rule(Gaston)

>>36015055
Anyone explore the axtradimensional side of things much? Hook's Neverland, the Queen of Hearts' Wonderland, etc? Are Wonderland and Neverland, perhaps, the same world to some degree or another?

I suppose Wonderland wouldn't actually change much, and they did a whole movies about Neverland post-Pan.

>>36009831
How many serve Chernobog under their own power and how many made pacts?

>>36018011
>he's from the Southern Isles, a Denmark analogue, while Corona is a Prussia analogue.
That is hardly an issue when it comes to line of succession.

Either way I think Hans should get the throne, regardless of how valid his claims are.
He could fabricate them, take it in civil war, or justly inherit it.

The first suggestion was to just have him succeed in killing off Elsa, but having Elsa as a villain seems to be something people want too much.

>>36018131
Early on Hans of Arrendale was suggested as a Human bastion in a world ruled by sorcerers and monsters, but that role has been kind of Usurped by President Rourke and his blue lightning Magitech.

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>>36017861
>>36017578
You do good work anon(s).

>>36018158
>Early on Hans of Arrendale was suggested as a Human bastion in a world ruled by sorcerers and monsters
Yeah that was I meant by the first suggestion.

I like it, but I also like Elsa as a horrible ice mage

>>36018131
He wasn't even next-in-line for his own throne. Why would he be next to inherit some foreign throne held by what would be a cousin at best? As for fabricating some sort of claim... eh. Some flimsy forgery would hardly justify anything unless the kingdom was already collapsing. I'm not arguing that he couldn't destabilize the situation and take power though.

A campaign of this would be really interesting in that there could be a huge variety of viable classes. There's a range of types of magic, both medieval and WW1 weapons to fight with (and Atlantean weapons since that becomes available), alchemy, tech to tinker with. Plus stealth would be useful. But a lit of less-used areas of expertise would also make for viable characters. You could be a firebrand adept at stirring up resistance among the oppressed. Or someone with expert knowledge of one of the many kinds of obscure magical/technical phenomena, kind of like Milo Thatch, using your knowledge to find the weaknesses of enemies or hide allies. Or a tactician, able to plan engagements or figure out where it's best to strike next. There's a lot of options that could all be pretty great.

>>36017861
Prepare your anus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y63Pkw9vRzQ

>>36018013
The setting could use a mob-infested New York City, don't you think? Guys, any thoughts?

>>36018227
>He wasn't even next-in-line for his own throne. Why would he be next to inherit some foreign throne held by what would be a cousin at best?
His family is next in line and his siblings are busy with their other titles.

>>36018189, >>36018158, >>36018131, >>36018011, >>36017972, >>36017922

I think that the crux of the matter is that, even though Hans is a proper villain and certainly has his place in this setting, the prospect of having an Ice Queen who's actions are motivated by grief and madness, and who can possibly be rehabilitated is more interesting and dynamic than Hans' political and economic motivations for ruling Arrendell. Disney films have plenty of scheming princes and advisors to choose from, but only one ice witch queen with a guilt complex and cataclysmic powers.

>>36018330
Sure. Maybe he's in coalition with Ryker and is holding one of the few places in the world where people may live comfortably.
Sure, you're owned by the magitech mob, but it's better than suffering under an insane fae or a mad sorceress.

>>36018364

This.

Let's level right now, some of these choices are purely rule of cool

We turned Frollo into a lich pontifex, for Walt's sake.

Having Elsa as the mad Ice Queen is just more fun. Let's just say Hans is still frozen in place after he struck Anna

So, will Maleficent be getting any personality traits or powers from her live action adaptation? Or would it just be better to forget that?

>>36018411

There is no such thing as a Maleficent movie, Anon

>>36018426
I understand.

>>36016436
dammit... right in the feels

>>36018189
So why not both?

Elsa goes into self-imposed exile like in the movie, builds herself a fuck-huge ice palace, and makes it an eternal winter for all of Northern Europe. Meanwhile, Hans marries Anna and the two of them claim the throne based on Elsa's absence (and the fact that she's a witch, which isn't okay).

>>36018313
Please, we already brought up Rasputin. It was decided in thread 1 that he can't work for an Evil-Disney world because he reincarnated and is busy ruling over actual Russia.

>>36018470

That winter was Elsa just turning on the "I don't give a fuck" setting, Anon

THIS winter is Elsa stuck in "oh my god, WHAT HAVE I DONE" despair. Polar bears with polar bear coats have trouble surviving

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>>36018502
Well/ than may be Russian Snow Qween?

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>>36015593
>atlantis safe
>in the middle of the ocean
>lol seawitch?

Also you guys, really?
>not including the newest Disney acquisition.
>not replacing the moon with a deathstar.

>>36018382
Perhaps Ratigan could be there, seeing as Britain is a fucking zombie hellhole. A case of choosing which would be the lesser evil and all that.

>>36017381
I thiunk that could be good as a campaign hook, like you work for Jafar (because as far as rulers goes, at least he doesn't fuck you over on a whim). Doing small things like guarding caravans and dealing with small bandit attack gradually going up the chain, dealing with sand witches and Mozenraths until you're going up against catfaceladygod and the mad greek inventor. At the end, you've earned his trust to handle a 'special' matter, dealing with the largest group of bandits and capturing their leader alive. When you get there, its bandits but they're trying to support their not-living-under-Jafar families, rules by Jasmine and that badass hypercompotent african who basically did everything for Abys Mal. Do you keep your end of the deal and kill the bandits and capture Jasmine? Or do you betray Jafar, the mightest sorcerer in the world to restore the rightful ruler to the throne?

>>36018364
>but only one ice witch queen

>>36018579
>>36018579
You know, considering that getting stuck by a broken bit of sailing ship killed her, even if she was boosted I think Atlantis would be relatively safe.

They do have at least one giant flying mechanical lobster that shoots lightning, after all.

>>36017326
Until they have their minds merged with Zerg's anyhow. Remember, Zerg's plan in the Buzz Lightyear movie was using the LGM's Unimind thing to basically infect everyone in the universe with his evil and take control of them.

Nothing says "Fuck you guys, Planet Zerg now" like all of dark Disney world's citizens and weakminded villains getting Zerg'd. The more powerful villains would probably be able to hold off the people, though some of the weaker ones would get zerg rushed.

Okay, so what non-disney movies are we including as honorary? Having Road to El Dorado as the only one worth just seems... wrong. Especially when we're having problems coming up with ways to fill up Africa and Prince of Egypt is a thing. I move we Add:

From Prince of Egypt, Egypt under Ramses II. Push down Queen La's kingdom.
From Anastasia, The Russian Empire under Rasputin. The huns can back off of Europe a bit.

Others?

>>36018762
>Others?
Titan AE

>>36018762
None.
Not even El Dorado

>>36018579

The Heart of Atlantis is one hell of a drug, Anon.

The idea last thread is that they have weapons, people, and a huge ass.protection in the form of the guardians and a giant blue shield.

Basically a huge glowing blue middle finger to Ursula

>>36018762

>Rasputin being able to rule anything in Russia whrn Chernabog's in town

I shiggy diggy doo

>>36018859
Doesn't he make pacts with dark powers? Isn't that kind of his thing? Seems like the two of them can coexist.

Besides, I thought Chernabog's powerlevel was decided to be too high, that he's some kind of a looming threat and not directly extant. Rasputin, as a magical usurper of thrones, is much more closely in line with the setting.

>>36018859
>>36018762
Rasputin would be Chernabog's underling, he's got the makings of a fantastic dark wizard, but he's nowhere near powerful enough to challenge the king of demons. He probably governs on a day-to-day level within Chernabog's realm, so the demon king can sit back and play games with the rest of the world

>>36018859
>"finally, my dark purpose will be fulfilled!"
He was doing Chernabog's work the whole time. You think the big C cares about people? No, he puts Rasputin in charge of making sure nobody brings God back into the Slavic world.

>>36018762
>From Prince of Egypt, Egypt under Ramses II
So, how does his story go? He successfully puts down the slave uprising? Are the Hebrews exterminated, or simply re-enslaved? How does he manage to overcome an adversary who is an all-powerful overgod?

>>36018830
Exactly. They are for the moment invulnerable so long as they don't spread their technology and manpower too thin. Plus, they may still have a magitech super-nuke like the one that had accidentally caused the Great Flood/Mebelmok Disaster thousands if years before. Like another Anon in the last thread said, mutually assured destruction.

>>36018965
again, chernabog

chernabog is our demon ex machina

>>36018830
On the note of Atlanteans and the sea: Do you think that they still use ships modeled after the Ulysses and its various mini-subs? Those things were pretty cool and would probably help keep Atlantean local waters free from sea witch minions, at least.

If the other villains aren't used to the concept of submarines they might also the the method of stealthily inserting the special forces teams. Nobody expects a ship to travel Under the Sea (Under the sea!) after all.

>>36018986
Not sure how much that'll help. God in prince of Egypt is based on the Abrahamic God, who is literally omnipotent. I can see why you'd want to tone it down to let the villain win, but using Chernabog as a counterbalance to someone infinitely more powerful than him is a little silly.

>>36016078
Oh fuck OH FUCK what about Marvel

>>36019039
Chernabog is working for GalactusI know Disney don't own the movie rights to Galactus, but a man can dream

>>36015181
So then Sabor decides to meet Bagheera.

>>36018965
>He successfully puts down the slave uprising? Are the Hebrews exterminated, or simply re-enslaved?
His win condition would be re-enslavement: he needs them to build his monuments and shit.
>How does he manage to overcome an adversary who is an all-powerful overgod?
Because in this setting, YHWH isn't all powerful: he's part of a multitude of other gods. In The Prince of Egypt, the clerics of Egypt were charlatans with no power, but that's not true in this setting: the Egyptian pantheon is as real and viable as YHWH, and so Moses wouldn't have simply been able to play the "I have a God and you don't" card quite so easily.

I would imagine that Moses is around and wandering in the desert with the desert nomad Jews, just waiting to join up with The Party and free his people. He could easily be a PC, a cleric of YHWH.

>>36016444
>quasimodo trying to save frollo
paladin to the end

>>36019039
See, and this is why we should ignore IP held by subsidiaries. This is going to spiral out of control quickly.

So where's my treasure planet

>>36019151
Under control of Evil Emperor Zerg, as is all of space.

>>36015533
And Think, you're hearing this the entire time in Tony Jay and Jeremy Iron's voices.

>>36019143
Well, surely the specifics are up to whoever is running their game, I personally wouldn't have Marvel, Lucas, or Pixar films, but I would have non disney ones, like El Dorado, Rasputin and Prince of Egypt

>>36019173
>handsfreefapping.gif

>>36019038
>God in prince of Egypt is based on the Abrahamic God, who is literally omnipotent.
See >>36019097
In this setting, he's not the only God and is therefore not omnipotent. He may be among the most powerful of the Gods, and perhaps he would have been able to solo the Egyptian pantheon, but with the Egyptian gods coming at him on one side, the Greeks from another, and Chernobog from another, he's going to have problems.

>>36019200
So what, we have core modules and add-ons?

>>36019209
What about Allah? Whose side would Allah be on, Aladdin does mean Servant of Allah, afterall

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>>36019097
Required reading

>>36019217
Looks like it.

Shit I'm getting /v/ the musical flashbacks already, that shit had expansion packs, DLC, and seems to be getting a sequel

>>36019209
I think the Greek gods have their own issues with Hades and the Titans over helping beat up Biblical God.

>>36019234
Allah should probably be considered the same deity as YHWH/Jehova/etc.

>>36019255
And Eris.
Because come on, at this point Sinbad should totally get thrown in the mix just so we have an excuse to add her.

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>>36019269

>>36019285
And Oberon if we include Gargoyles.

God/YHWH/Jehova/Allah is dead.
Chernobog won and killed God

>>36014930
I can see them as potential NPC recruits in Toontown.
>Mickey, Donald and Goofy all retain their Kingdom Hearts powers, though this time because they were planning a revolution against Dr. Doom.
>Mickey uses a keyblade because real weapons are strictly forbidden according to Doom. He starts the revolution because Dr. Doom murdered his best friend, Roger Rabbit.

>Donald learns magic from Aurora Borealis before getting detained and sent back to Toon Town by the Weasel Gang. He joins the revolution because he needs to get back to Canada to complete his training.

>Goofy joins after Max is executed publicly for trying to escape the city. His shield is emblazoned with Max's face so he never forgets his reason for fighting.

>>36019315

Huh, >>36015264 was right.
No gods, no kings, only (Blue laser weilding) man

>>36019345
How do cartoon physics compare to magic? Can Atlantian weapons harm them? Do they have a soul to sell can they be turned to undead? Are there cartoons working for other villains?

>>36019345
For a second there I thought you were talking about Marvel's DOOM

>>36019023
>And in the depths, an Atlantean strike cruiser commanded by a Rajah disgraced by the Great Cat Shere Khan prowls, seeking to destroy the tyrannical empires which now choke the world.
>He has forsaken his title, thinking himself unworthy of it. He now calls himself "Noman", or in the ancient Latin of Europe, Nemo.

>>36019463
20,000 leagues under the cursed sea

Either we severely limit the Toons invincibility or we don't allow them to be PC race.
The second solution is only viable if we also explain why the fuck a group of animated undestructible immortals hasn't saved the world yet by simply throwing themselves at the villains until one of them managed to land a lucky hit.

Has Pocahontas been mentioned? Or did the bad ending to that actually happen?

>>36019427
Same guy

So, basically

The "core" would be all disney 2D animations, plus Frozen and Tangled

Add ons could be Pixar, Dreamworks, Star Wars and Marvel, depending on what kind of game you want to play.

Sounds about right?

>>36019427
he isn't? dr. doom is a Disney character technically, and there is no roger rabbit character named "dr. doom". judge doom.

>>36019534
Could be that Judge Doom sees all the shit that's going on and decides to completely shut Toon Town off from the rest of the universe.

>>36019550
>Or did the bad ending to that actually happen?
Well her people were wiped out by the europeans and her entire culture was eradicated, so...

>>36019561
>Dreamworks
Shrek pretty much is this setting, only a bit more upbeat

>>36019619
Not to mention she died in the very worst place in England.

Gravesend

That joke is probably wasted on you, but as someone who lives there, take my word for it

>>36019285
My dick is excuse enough

>>36019606
His goal was to demolish Toon Town and build a freeway, so if he won, that's exactly what would have happened. He didn't want to rule over toons, we wanted to exterminate them. He was one of them self-hating toons.

I think that the toons should be an add on, because let's be real here, toon physics just make the whole thing seem a lot less dire

Leave them for when you want to run a sillier game in the universe.

>>36018753
"buzz was the last one on the Space-Ranger station when it fell to zergs forces... Apparently he held them off for three hours before the numbers overwhelmed him. He's assumed dead."

>>36019561
Basically.

If you want to do a planar analogy, this is the Prime Materiel, and connected to it are Acquired Franchise Realms.

>>36019661
All I remember about that movie is when he killed my brother, he looked just. Like. THIS

>>36019661
>Internment camps for Toons
>Dip chambers where they are executed
>When his work was done he dipped himself
Yeah, that's about how much I think WFRR should impact this setting: the PCs show up on the East Coast and there's a "HA-locaust Museum" dedicated to the 6 million toons that were killed in the eight Doomcamps.

>>36019686
I like to imagine Zerg tried to Unimind the Disney World, but suddenly found a bunch of all-powerful wizards at his doorstep and decided to avoid it from then on, settling for owning the rest of space.

>>36019463
>>36019508
>>36019023

This all works out perfectly. I think that Atlantean ships, subs and even aircraft may be some of the only reliably safe ways to cross the seas in this setting, at least if you aren't a pirate lord of have some variety of supernatural protection upon you and your ship. As Imperial President Rourke might be fond of pointing out, it took American ingenuity, know-how and gumption to put all this magiteh to good use after thousands of years of neglect and make Atlantis ruler off he waves once again.

Plus, it really exemplifies the spirit of this setting, in which the peripheral properties are included as they fit and where appropriate.

>>36019747
If we're including Pixar, where does Cars fit into all this? The bad ending for that it's probably just Lightning McQueen doesn't learn his lesson and skips town as soon as he can, wins the race and becomes a corporate whore.

>>36018753
>>36018762
>>36018811
Okay, so I should mention that the reason I added road to eldorado is because there's a big Mexican shaped hole in the Disney Canon. The Disney villains have a reasonable claim
>>36018579
>>36018753
>>36016078
Emperor Zerg and the Galactic Empire are warring for dominion over space, while Dr. Jookiba leases out his experiments.

>>36019772
You know, I think I can do something with that. I feel another Rourke speech coming on.

>>36019829
The Disney villains have a reasonable claim everywhere else*

>>36019829
I would fucking love to see stormies duking it out with Zerg's droids. AT-AT's marching, and TIE's screaming overhead while a major space battle is raging overhead. All the while Space-Ranger renegades/the rebels are doing their best to sabotage both sides.

>>36019829
>>36019920
Is there a reason Izma and VoodooGuy wouldn't be fighting over Central America?

It's just inconsistent to include ONE non-Disney property. Hell, Road to El Dorado wasn't even a proper musical IIRC.

Who was the villain from that DuckTales movie? Voiced by Christopher Lloyd? Why do I remember him being mesoamerican-esque? Like, he summoned a pig aztec-like pyramid at the climax. I might be misremembering.

>>36020059
Merlock. He was an evil wizard of fairly nonspecific origin IIRC. I don't remember his evil castle very well, but regardless of what culture he was supposed to be a part of, by the rules of the world his "win" would have occurred in Duckburg, which is in the USA.

>>36020059

Izma didn't really seem to care about conquest. She was petty.

And Facilier couls roflstomp her easily

>>36019829
>>Emperor Zerg and the Galactic Empire are warring for dominion over space, while Dr. Jookiba leases out his experiments.

At first I didn't care for the idea, but now I actually think that this would really work as a "sequel" of sorts to the original not-earth setting, a separate or expansion universe including every space-based or ultra-modern Disney property.

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>>36020059
>Like, he summoned a pig aztec-like pyramid at the climax. I might be misremembering.
You are. It looked like this.

He was basically just Jafar, an evil wizard with a genie, though his amulet allowed him to coax unlimited wishes out of the genie, and he had inherent shape-shifting powers.

>>36020214
You know, I took a visit to Cozumel recently, and I was SURE the Mayan architecture looked JUST like that.

>>36020214
Let's leave the DuckTales universe out of this. I don;t have anything against it, but it doesn't really fit very well. Same deal with other "Anthro" properties (Robin hood, for example). I'd just as soon leave them out.