>>35736827
We need bros. It'll be like, inspirational and shit. 3 handsome men leading an army of hot girls. We can make it happen.

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>>35736827
As I was saying, if you guys really want baby brothers, thats fine by me. One or two boys?

>>35736928
Two. Sandor and Gregor.

>>35736928
I'm fine as long as we have at least one other guy to back us up against the horde of sisters.

more girls in the house

an older brother job is never done

>>35736827
If more months have passed, have we finished training barbarian? If so let's start learning mamluk from someone.

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>>35736916
oh im tempted to having Stella "imprint" on one of the boys just to make it even more obvious how fucking retarded twilight is... but lets pass on it before i have to return my man ID

Well, I guess you guys want two boys, then?
Anyway, like I said, I intended for us to be able to get the mana back on the first dragonforce, at least. Now I need to come up with a new wording...

Oh and I need to add the magic bullet trick to the handbook. Ill do that right now

>>35736928

one

>>35736999
Two, the horde will grow I'm sure of it. We need backup!

>>35737040

>we end up with ten sisters

>>35737064
'sisters'

>>35736999
Wait that happens in those books? Never read the books and was essentially forced to watch the first movie (by a woman, ugh), and that's as far as I got (and ever wanted to go).

If that's the case then make the army of mixed genders and all races, for anything that can potentially remind people of that.... well I dare not even name it (for names have power in many occult theories, to name a thing gives it power), but avoiding that is in my interest.

>>35737071

???

>>35737040

We need more cute, smart shota type boys for girls to clamp on to, that is not us. Our leveling system and Lightbringer genes will likely mean they will end up with a train of followers like we do.

>>35736999
Just one brother is fine.

>>35736999
>Well, I guess you guys want two boys, then?
yes, that would be good.

>>35736999
One brother. We can't be having too many, or else Eldric will no longer be cutest.

>>35737152
Their horde will take longer to form. They don't have our maturity and won't go seeking it out like we did. By the time they have one, we'll be a full adult.

>>35737187
>One brother. We can't be having too many, or else Eldric will no longer be cutest.
he has 4 sisters.

getting two brothers is not excessive.

>>35737187
>100 App and haven't even begun leveling dancer

No, I think we'll be fine on that score.

>>35737222
But what if one of our brothers starts as dancer? He'll have maximum App gains.

>>35737205

Yeah, will take longer. They will have a bunch of big sister types glomping them when they are in school. Shy girls there age looking at them wistfully. Sure they would not know it, but I am pretty sure the Lightbringer swag will kick in and the girls will follow.

They will also have big sisters so they may be more comfortable around women then others may be.

They will be confused when puberty hits, but not alone.

>>35737246
Can't, he'll start a noble and dancer is slave exclusive.

>>35737246

change our class and level up

>>35736988
sure

Cant lyann teach us mamluk?

>>35737139
i didint read them, but its such a stupid plot point that it got made fun of so much even i heard about it

the baby its so beautiful and perfect snowflake that the werewolf falls in love with her "because imprinting". Oh and the baby ages super fast. In just 3 months its like 11 years old, but her human grandparents dont find nothing wrong with her because shes such a beautiful and perfect snowflake

also lol at you guys worrying about not being the cutest boy in the house anymore

Anyway lets put it to a vote, I guess

*1 girl 1 boy
*2 girls
*2 boys

>>35737296
>*1 girl 1 boy
i like the possible shenanigans they can get into

>>35737296
Dunno how you want to handle training, but all the slaves we know have mamluk unlocked now, so lyann, ami, mai, stella, zoe, brass, and aura are all options.

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>>35737187
There's more to being cute than just looking cute. The reactions and behavior of the target are also vital factors. Can't you even into moe?

>>35737296
Two boys, we need the power of bros.

>>35737296
>*2 boys

>>35737296
>*2 boys

>>35737296
>*1 girl 1 boy

>>35737296
>*2 boys

Twin baby brothers pls.

>>35737296
*2 boys

>>35737296
2 boys

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>>35737323
right, but shouldnt it be easier going with Lyann?>>35737139
be warned, this scene is as shitty as you think it is
http://youtu.be/BGRbbZAx3Zg

>>35737322
>>35737389

>>*1 girl 1 boy+
>>35737340
>>35737354
>>35737339
>>35737416
>>35737422
>>35737456

>>*2 boys

Well I know we have like 6-7 people so someone samefagged, but it still looks quite clear that the majority wants two brothers.

Anyway, can I share some spoilers with you guys? some plans for the future, so i can get some feedback on it

>>35737553
sure why not

>>35737553

yes

>>35737553
please dont do that imprinting thing its just annoying

>>35737553

sure

>>35737553
>right, but shouldnt it be easier going with Lyann
I think she's the highest mamluk level of all of them, so sure.

I do believe Mai and Ami would make for funnier scenes if you wanted to write stuff about the training.

>>35737553
Sure.

As a side note have we unlocked Eli's T1 Jobs yet? It's such a simple boost that I forget if there's any reason not to do it.

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>>35737585

Well, I guess I'll use spoiler tag anyway

I want to do a bit more of happy times while dad comes back, then as puberty hits us, dad decides its a good time to send us off to Eopolis to meet our grandpa and uncle

We have to start over, but our cousin turns out to be a pretty nice kid and we also get into several adventures with him. Plus meeting more friends, and going into some of the north's oldest dungeons

As we approach age 15, Okaba informs us remotely that he has finally managed to send long range party invitations, and thus the chat is practical over long distances. Then a little after our 15 birthday, we are talking with Mako when she finally gets kidnapped, and then of course we go to her rescue

And thats what I have in mind, in big brush strokes, for the future.

If theres anything ive learnt in 20+ years GMing its "only have broad stroke plans, the game never goes well with too much micromanagement, and noone likes railroading"

What do you think?

>>35737802
>we are talking with Mako when she finally gets kidnapped, and then of course we go to her rescue

I'm fine with the rest of it, but for this part, whoever comes after her better be incredibly badass since we've been trying to level her up quite a bit.

Which reminds me, we need to hit a dungeon and have punch some floating hands to death. Then we need to kill a couple floating hands with a 2h weapon. Also level dancer and barbarian to 10.

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>>35737664
>I do believe Mai and Ami would make for funnier scenes if you wanted to write stuff about the training.

Obviously!
More spartan, to begin with, but also funnier

>>35737730
I dont think so, but in the following months and years i dont see why we cant do it in passing.

>>35737802
Gotta love big fat cat tats. Sounds good so far, but I would hope for at least a chance at interdiction on the last one. Waking up and finding her gone is boring, but being woke up by a crashing sound only to see the bastards attempting their getaway is more delicious.

>>35737802
ya im cool with these plans

>>35737802

Yeah, we have slacked a bit on leveling, between years it might be a good idea to see how we do as we go deeper in the dungeon. Level Mako up a bit to maker her more tanky.

Kidnapping her isn't much of an issue, just need to seperate and then disable her one way or another.

>>35737802

sounds good to me

we could do some time skips

a few month here and there

>>35737899
>>35737932

Time skips for leveling up, grinding like dungeon levels sub 30 where we blow stuff up might be good.

We want to level up Eli a bit too, she is there to protect our family. So getting her and mom some levels would be nice.

>>35737802
Can I be reminded as to why people have a hard on for kidnapping the shy little thing? It was something to do with her ancestry and the country daddy was fighting against right?

>>35737972
She's one of two eligible heirs to the eastern empire. People there would prefer there only be one eligible heir.

>>35737972
ya she is has a special blood line
also when her hair and tears can be used to make rings to bring people back to life

>>35737802
Seems like a good framework. Having a significant plot line that ties into the Lightbringer family after the dungeon but before Okaba's discover may be nice. Maybe an event that ties into the pressures that turned Grandpa Lightbringer into a hopeful hermit or someone borrowing the family's authority. It'd be a shame not to have an event like that while we're there.

>>35737802
You have to pull something really spectacular to have Mako being kidnapped happen. We've been beefing her up AND she's got her shadows who almost never leave her side.

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>>35738006
Then why kidnap? If that's the case you phone up the Assassins Guild. You don't kidnap your rival to the throne, you kill his ass dead, along with the rest of his family just to make sure nobody tries to dispute your claim.

>>35737901
It's more that she gets abducted mid phone call from half way across the world Taken style.

>>35737972

1 of 2 eligible sisters. Other sister does love her. Strong magical heritage. See her tears and hair.

The southern empire claims to be the inheritors of the prior human empire, would like to get her blood in the royal line.

I just imagine someone trying to kidnap her, after playing with us and leveling up with us, when Zoe, Lyann and Stella are there.

This should be an easy job.

Fuck these girls are dangerous.

You said she was Meek! Her body guards were supposed to be scrubs! *1/2 the abduction team gets killed in the first few rounds*

Throw her in a bag and run, we can't swing this shit any longer!

>>35738106
Except you can't forcibly remove someone from a party, so she'd be able to tell us exactly where she is and what's happening.

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>>35737901
I meant you were talking with her thanks to the long distance chat so you get to "read" her "Eldric, help!" messages

>>35737932
obviously

>>35737965
sure

Speaking of that, how is the kind anon doing with leveling Honoria, Eldric, Lyann, Okaba, Aura, Mako, Ami and Mai?

I dont mind if you take liberties in deciding who goes the most often with us, just remember to split Eldric's exp between his jobs

>>35737972
right, the Alquuan empire lost their last true blooded link to the old empire nobility so they need her for legitimacy

I even have been building towards it

We got rock-it skyships so we can have "send rock-it Ajax to recover his body", and have Okaba and a group of flying warriors go with us to assault said rock-it while we are in a skybike, and have the vizir/Mako marriage scene go something like

Do you, Akhbar the Merciless, Ruler of the Eastern Continent, take this Noble Princess Mako Tsun, to be your Empress of the Hour?
Of the hour, yes.
Do you promise to use her as you will?
Certainly!
Not to cast her into a wormpit?
[Akhbar glares at Zogi]
Uh, until such time as you grow weary of her.
I do.

Cookies if anyone remembers this scenes. So I dont feel so old

Oh and we need a "Chaos Braker Approaching"
"What do you mean, Chaos Breaker Approaching!?"

>>35738088
This is especially true if she gets a significant cut of the exp from the vacation. It would easily be enough to bring all her noble t1 jobs to 20 and get her well on the way to finishing t2 jobs.

>>35738151
She'd only be able to tell us if she knew herself, and while conscious.

>>35738178

will we learn that other spell trick over the time skip

or any others?

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>>35738151
A good black bag will solve that problem quite handily. Haven't you seen how it's done. Black carriage, bunch of guys in balaclavas, and a thick black bag for the head. Grab target, put bag on head, smooth sailing so long as you keep her tied up and silenced.

>>35738178
>wormpit
I will kill anyone who has something like that. Only bad things come from dudes with wormpits.

>>35738178
>And then we became the Armored Dragon King.

>skybike, not Glorious Golden Dragon mount.

>>35738178
>Speaking of that, how is the kind anon doing with leveling Honoria, Eldric, Lyann, Okaba, Aura, Mako, Ami and Mai?

The problem for me currently is trying to get the bonus xp from jobs being below class level to work out in a spreadsheet. This requires state, and spreadsheets are really bad about keeping and updating that. Note that for most purposes (getting t1 jobs to 20) that difference will be miniscule. Like 600 xp per job that goes from 1 to 20.

If you wanted rough levels without bonus xp calculated, I could probably get that to you tonight.

For XP split, I imagine eldric and lyann would both get 1/5 of that calculated xp, then the rest would get 1/10 to indicate we alternated between two groups.

>>35738178
i dont have the appropriate rage gif for wormpit

>>35738178
Mako should punch Akhbar.

>>35738178

I would say place priority on Mako/Ami/Mai simply because they are the ones who are most at risk and we know that.

So personally if you split xp

6 man group = 600% xp to split up... so
Lyann 100%
Eldrick 100%
Mako 45%
Ami 45%
Mai 45%
Stella 40%
Zoe 40%
Honoria 35%
Okaba 35%
Aura 35%
Eli 30%
Mom 30%

~leaves 20% xp to fudge, or go to baby siblings, ect.

Get our siblings like 10 levels of each healer and wizard, and then put them back on natural jobs. The wisdom, con and int will help them in school and growing up.

>>35738281
oh right i forgot that

http://youtu.be/VnTHypbLlkE

Chaos Breaker coming from the north. Alquian defenses focus fire on it, while dad and grandpa stand at the prow and soaks up dozens of thousands of points of damage thanks to their paladin ability, keeping the defenses busy while Okaba and his troops approach from the south, over the sea

"We are being attacked from the sea!"
"We cant turn the defenses!"
"Send the new Rock-It Ajax to intercept!"

Okaba:"Hawkmen (valid, may just be a beastmen tribe acting as his elite guard), dive!"

Eldric:"First wave is hit, Im going in after them!"

Okaba: "Impetuous boy...! oh well, who wants to live forever? Diiiiive!"

>>35738372
thats like a second after we kick in the doors to the chapel or whatever

>>35738412
Yeah, you don't appreciate just how much of a badass Mako is going to be. That one punch will probably kill him.

>>35738297
>without bonus xp calculated
I dont actually mind. But why dont you just do an average? (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10)/10, for example, to calculate the average bonus across 10 levels

For example if Mako has 15 levels of noble and we are rising her dancer job, it would be
(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15)/15 for the bonus exp

Sometimes, doing things by hand its just easier

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>>35738372
They'll have her safely slave collar'd dude. They'll make her walk right into the wormpit if we don't stop them in time. They may also make us fight her and say she's totally fine with being this bastards cumdump/wormslut. As she's crying of course, because she doesn't want to do or say any of this.

I can go on and make the whole scene even more sad and tragic. I am a master of REJOICING!

>>35738426
no dude what im say is Eldric kicks the doors down
Mako see's Eldric then throws a punch at Akhbar

>>35738467
leave your rejoicing at home

also we use silence that our sword gives

>>35738534
The kind of people that will have kidnapped her at that age will be the very best out there. They will painstakingly research not only her but everyone close to her.

We're close, they'll know we'll come for her, and they will prepare accordingly. I don't want to REJOICE, but I find that I might not be able to avoid it in this situation.

>>35738467
By that time we should have Archbishop or Master Monk.
Death is only permanent after 5 rounds and we only need line-of-sight or decide to create a Voltron summon.

>>35738466
No, it's more a matter of the bonus changing. Like, when you get additional class levels, the bonus changes. So you'd have to have a set of stats per-level up, a set of stats post-level up and a way to move one to the other.

Whereas without bonuses you can just calculate xp per job in each cell, get a total and then have a 'additional xp' box showing how much you can spend. At that point all you'd have to do is level up the stuff you want until that additional xp box goes negative.

Getting all the character sheets set up right now. I'll leave the automatic calculated xp stuff for the next version, as it's still pretty crude.

Before dad left, did we at least assign bonus points for him?

Either boost his con, str or something else?

It just dawned on me. Instead of hawkmen beastmen, it could be a troop of succubii and incubii. This is the heroic moment when they finally shake off their monster status

http://youtu.be/87z7mjxolc0

also, the wedding

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>>35738629
ah, now you see why it takes me a week?

Wel, its fine if you want to drop that bonus, I guess its fine. You are saving me a lot of work, thanks, man

http://youtu.be/MS4_Z84-rRE

>>35738656
I want to say yes

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>>35738746
That'd work. Could also make interesting use of their... racial special ability. If the number of incoming incubi and succubi is enough to or exceed the number needed to "pair" with the enemy troops ummm...

I believe you see where I'm going with this. Oh their innocent eyes.

>>35738656
We did, dumped them all into dex and con to maximize his chances of coming back in one piece.

>>35738822
Oh god I have a DS with everyone on such ridiculously high levels on FFTA2 and now I cant play it anymore ;_;

>>35738881

Works for me.

We have so many bonus points on everyone now too.

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>>35738822
actually, i think it would be interesting if the gods say "yeah, ok" and they suddenly stop being monsters and become bat-tribe of beastmen or something like that, losing their racial and winning the beastmen racial

plus i think it would be a matter of pride for them not using that ability

but it totally makes them awesome commando units

You know... if I were an evil overlord in this world, if I could figure out a way, my big goal would be to create a dungeon where every floor placed Obedience curses on the monsters spawned there and gave them the Slave class. Then bring in prisoners, slaves and those whom have failed me for the last time starscream as sacrifices to buff the monster's levels and find a way to get the Die For Power + Dragon Force combo on each of them. Then proceed to make it my fully functional Final Boss level/ Evil Overlord Palace. Mind you that's assuming the monsters don't default to their lowest base level, since DFP + DF isn't all that good with chump HP/Mana.

Just a random thought I thunk.

>>35739034

Sure why not, they lose the racial and either move to straight beast-man or straight non dungeon Majin.

Due to heroic efforts by the whole race. they were reconized.

What is to say other races did not claw themselves free that way, either doing a massive event or creating a founders heroism tale.

uhhh is king currently writing or what

Update on character sheets:
Eldric, lyann, mako, ami, and mai done.

>>35739510
cool so did we just basically make mini gods of death

>>35739359

Probably general clean up for the upcoming time skip.

Lot of book keeping so we can move into a more active phase

>>35739553
ya shits gonna get crazy when it happens

>>35739359
sorry, was i meant to say something? im just waiting for that nice anon to give me sheets before going to bed

>>35739689

Probably a good idea to ask any questions for King in the down time.

>>35739546
You have no idea

So when do we start stress testing our abilities and job combinations? We've basically hit the point where Eldric can waltz through most encounters he comes across so actually pushing himself isn't something that's likely to come up naturally for a while. That's something I suggest we start doing a little, just try to push our limits and get a solid grasp on what we can do outside of numbers. Have Brass and his new battle bro be our sparring partners for physical stuff.

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>>35739746
yup. Was there any questions?

>>35739689
no it just seemed like some one was writing or the thread ended and i missed it

>>35739795
Well relating to my question here >>35739791
just what sort of feats can eldric push himself towards when he applies himself? Can he fell a tree in a single punch, jump over houses or any other ridiculous stuff yet? Can he overtake a horse at a dead sprint? I'm more interested in the in universe applications of power than the pure numbers which we usually focus on is all.

>>35739791
I think our greatest test for a whileis going to be keep all our friends alive when facing challenges that can make us pause.

then get separated from our friends in some unknown land,and have to fight our way back. Then we can have lots of foes who can push us without them destroying out party members

>>35739795
actually since the dungeons we have entered so far are foodgeons would wild dungeons be more difficult or harder

>>35739795

How did Mom respond to Stella wanting to age up?

And what are the basic rules regarding production. If you make something once, you can then use the MP to make it in the future? Tools help speed up or reduce amount of mp/steps?

>>35739797
ah, we ended the thread when we realized mom was waiting twins, this is a chilling phase for everyone to make questions and such

>>35739892
ahhh that's my fault for not seeing that then

>>35739870
It will probably be a harrowing experience if we come across an ancient dungeon that's spawned multiple others.

>>35739870
seems logical, wild dungeons, or natural ones, whichever term you prefer

>>35739873
>How did Mom respond to Stella wanting to age up?
itsup to her, of course

>>35739873
>And what are the basic rules regarding production. If you make something once, you can then use the MP to make it in the future? Tools help speed up or reduce amount of mp/steps?
you stil need the materials, and i think good jobs should help lower the DC of a crafting task

>>35739955
right

Well, my eyes are starting to get cloudy so im gonna go to bed and let the computer on to catch the link to the sheets when the nice anon is done

See you tomorow guys, probably, hopefully

>>35740018
ok sleep well

>>35740018
Here's the character sheets with levels:

Openoffice version:https://www.dropbox.com/s/nd560dtisu5qchu/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.3.ods?dl=0

Excel Version:https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9xrwvk735uyww8/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.3.xls?dl=0

So for xp, I got a grand total of 1048000 xp to split among the party from your earlier post detailing gains.

That works out to 104800 for us to dump into class and 2 jobs at a time, and lyann to dump into class/job. It's 52400 for the others.

The results are as you see.

>>35740280

Well, for those stats...

Holy shit, thats an insane amount of hp and mana for us and Lyann.

Also shows the weakness of the noble class, lot less tier 1 classes for nobility only compared to those who have 2-3 social standing classes

>>35740455
Our summons are monsters now. 354 for attack rolls, damage, armor and SR.

>>35740455
Yeah. We need to get Mako on a training plan to pick up all the slave t1 jobs like what we're doing.

>>35740280
>391 Cha
>119 App

Well, that explains a lot.

>>35740280
Ah dammit, I messsed up Mako's sheet. She should have Dancer 20 and Virtuousso 4.

>>35740728

right now we are a cute 9 year old

but one day we will be the handsome hero who slays monster rescues princess

>>35741056

Her Knight strength bonus is also bugged currently

>>35741103
Is it? I show the formula in the cell as correct, and she's gaining 100 str from level 20 knight.

>>35741145

Must be display issue on my end, I am viewing it through office and it shows ##, even though the forumla looks righ

>>35739034
If that happens I'd like some of that racial to remain, like you'll never find an "ugly" succubus/incubus, for they are all blessed with good looks. Or at least, ugliness would have to be an intentional thing. They'd have to want to be that way consciously. Doubt there'd be any takers but if life has taught me anything it's that people are weird.

As I see anything sentient as a person, they'd be out there, just in low numbers. After all, most people want to be beautiful/sexy/FABULOUS/ect. But the outlier is never impossible.

>>35741204
Oh, try making the column a bit wider. Could be the formatting I did doesn't carry over correctly to Excel.

>>35741295

That's it.

Stupid of me.

Brass is a 'classic' style person, who has as much xp then we did, but has like 20% of the hp we would have, and less stats. But he did push onto tier 3 and level that class up some. Shows how much the push 1 class up seems weird.

>>35741336
Remember that brass isn't get the 50% xp bonus we do from scion, so while his class level is the same, he does have significantly less total XP than us.

>>35741386

True. Forgot about that.

Also shows how much work Lyann would need to get to scion from ~50 slave.

Con Bonus give the best hp gain once you rack in serious levels.

Anything cards that give % bonus is amazing also, there was one that gave 5% hp bonus.

Wisdom is magic defense, right?

Probably later on, that and Con are the most important. Insta-death magic and con to resist that stuff.

>>35741510
Yeah, the marginal utility of every point of Con bonus increases as you gain levels. For someone with a job spread like us, it's vastly more important than any other hp bonus. Wisdom is both magic dodge and magic armor, so it's pretty useful as well. It's also the single most available stat across all jobs, so it'll always be high.

Int and mp are actually really hard to raise. We're at more or less our soft cap for int. Strength and con are roughly the same, and easier than Int. It's one of the main reasons that physical damage focus is better than spells.

>>35740280
Here's a sheet with mako's stats fixed.

Openoffice:https://www.dropbox.com/s/6qll2jvfx1sgm2a/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.4.ods?dl=0

Excel:https://www.dropbox.com/s/8la3zq0luidqtb4/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.4.xls?dl=0

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>>35741227
Also, we do have a mana gem on us. How high is its current rating? I think we all wanted to try and make a sentient Golem, which is basically the fantasy equivalent of a robo-girl.

So we could totally re-create another Arma or KOS-MOS if it gets high enough. We still going for that right people? Because I got a hard fetish for this kind of thing. I seek to find the true limits of this particular concept...

As a fun exercise I went into the sheets and added Barbarian 20, Mamluk 20, Craftsman 20, Fremen 20, Janissary 20, Thane 20 to see what the damage would be like for that permastealth backstab thing a few weeks back.

7521 damage per target per charge and you keep charging until you can't kill something. It'd be less against targets with armor, but still. That's after we level three t1 and three t2 classes to 20. If we focused on it, that probably wouldn't take very long.

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>>35742117
And just putting this out there, as Eldric is a kind of nerd and all. I ponder the headgear of such a sentient automaton. SCIENCE is but another form of magic once sufficiently analyzed. Kinda seeing the ideal end as looking like her.

And the harem implications...

"Creator. Do you find my form unattractive?"
"N..No. You're quite attractive!"
"Then show this. You cuddle quite closely with this 'Lyann' variable, yet you do not reciprocate with me."
"I...I made you, doesn't that make me your father? Of course I'd see you like that."
"Does not compute, all data shows you to be a pervert. 99.998 percent likelihood that you see me as a woman over a daughter."

"Don't care, you are my creation and that makes me your father. Please accept that..."

Such a seed has many possibilities, curious as to where you will take it GM.

>>35742074
>unmodded hp: 2922
>Total hp: 31306
Jesus Christ, are there any cards that provide % regen?

>>35742531
There are definitely jobs that provide it. Champion has a passive where if you take damage, you get regen for 5 rounds. There's also a song that grants it.

Not sure about cards.

>>35742553
>Champion
forgot about that, but...

>(P) Endless Victory: When hit by a enemy, you gain Regen* for 5 turns.
that's, that's not what I originally suggested. Is it really okay for it to be "take damage" and not "on kill"?

>>35742647
>Is it really okay for it to be "take damage" and not "on kill"?
Not sure I understand. If we're dead, it's hard for us to regen.

>>35742691
on enemy kill, as in "keep up a kill-chain to stay alive"

>>35742717
>When hit by a enemy

Endless victory triggers when WE, Eldric, get hit.

>>35742373
Ah, I made a mistake. Crits do 2x and spell crits do 3x according to those set bonuses we looked at.

So the actual damage against 0 armor would be 11436 per enemy per charge. Every 30 armor you lose about 1k damage.

>>35742735
yes, I know. Which means that anybody who wants to kill you ALWAYS needs more than 1/10th of your life in dps, which is a lot different from forcing the opponent to fight defensively and prevent you from killing any of them as they wear you down.

>>35742787
Why would champions be focused around defensive fighting and wearing down opponents? They're the t3 version of gladiators.

>>35742821
Let me explain this again:

Champion
>regens when he takes damage

How to kill him:
>do more damage than regen. period.

Champion
>regen on every enemy kill

How to kill him
>do more damage than regen
OR
>fight defensively
>don't let anyone die
>no more regen
>wear the champion down

>>35742880
Ok, but there are plenty of t3 jobs that are crazy strong. The Barbarian line is functionally immune to spellcasters, for example. Fedaykin are damn near impossible to ever see, let alone hurt. Archdruids are army killers.

>>35742915
>army killers.
to be fair, so is the Champion even with the nerf.

ehh, I guess King is in charge of the game balance anyway.

....wait, if our highest class gives a bonus to all lower jobs/classes, why aren't we focusing on scion? Is there a reason to keep noble on?

>>35743057
Scion doesn't get xp, it mirrors your class level ups. You must have 1 class and 1 job active, and Noble is our only class.

>>35743069
right, it's a job. And I don't suppose turning off all other jobs for a few levels would be worth the risk?

>>35743035
Well, us as a champion would be an armykiller because of our ridiculous HP. But most people that get to champion would have like 4k hp. Healing 400 damage a turn is nice, but it can be overwhelmed relatively easily.

>>35743113
Depends. If we have a party with us, our base stats can keep us useful enough so long as its not a serious fight but I doubt we'd level up enough to be worth the effort. I think we have to keep another job on at any give time along with Scion anyway though.

>>35743113
The bonus turns out to be not that huge in practice.

For example, a level 40 class trying to bring a level 20 job up to 40 would save 2.6k xp out of 41k xp total.

>>35743175
er, 38k total.

Always look one value too high on these xp charts.

>>35743199
>>35743161
I suppose if we wanted to practice fighting without job abilities, it might be nice.

>>35743121
when you factor in ranged combat, I suppose that's true.

>>35743267
I wonder if we can unlock a secret job by killing a dungeon boss with no Job active? May be worth a shot for the lulz.

>>35743344
Super Novice? Hero? Hilo(job that uses fake legendary weapons like Excalipur)?

>>35743395
I'm still hoping for the Class: Hero to become available one day. King joked about Super Novice for getting all t1 Jobs to 20.

>>35743474
>joked
We'll have that done in a year or so. Still need mamluk, shaman, craftsman, thief, warrior.

>>35743395

Maybe onion knight?

Well tier 2 classes are class level +20, tier 3 are class level +40.

The good stats come from tier 1 classes.

Die for power and dragon force basically mean we will be able to 1 shot anything, regardless.

I now see why scion is so rare, a slave getting to level 100? almost impossible without access to level 90+ mobs.

Most of the dungeons we know top out at ~30ish anyways

>>35743555
>Die for power and dragon force basically mean we will be able to 1 shot anything, regardless.
93 thousand damage. I want to see that. That's gotta have some impressive sfx when it goes off.

I wonder if our mount looks more impressive now.

>>35743596
I wonder if that can pierce a dungeon floor or 5.

>>35743596

No sound effect, no visual effect. It has simply gone beyond our comprehension.

Magic does about the best pure damage for a single action. Melee allows continually action.

Looks like most melee hits by us will do like ~100 base damage and we can blow spells to do up to about 500 or more in a single shot, not doing dragon force.

Class abilities can force both much higher.

Melee just is what will end up using most of the time however.

>>35743700
I certainly hope so. Combine it with Hardest Magic Known to Man and you can obliterate a good chunk of landscape and multiple floors if you can somehow target them.

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>>35743711
I think it WOULD have sound and visual effects. The sound of a vacuum, as even the air is obliterated. The appearance of a black cloud, because for just an instant, no light makes it past the zone.

...or maybe that should be reserved for half a million damage.

>>35742074
Now that I've had a proper look at the excel file...this is a pretty solid piece of math. I can easily see mini-boses and bosses. Super bosses would just need a 20x modifier to HP and maybe 1.5x modifier in everything else, or just have a gigantic fusion of multiple boss-level body parts.

>>35740455
>the weakness of the noble class
cmon dude, you are welthy and powerful, dont you think having great stats to boot would have been a bit too much? besides, you get the best mental stats, anyway

also good day

>>35741227
so, all the succubii will be sexy and beautiful women and all the incubii will be fitizens?

>>35742117
>another Arma or KOS-MOS
no Chachamaru? ;_;

>>35742735
regen doesnt stacks, tho. If you are being hit by more than 1 people, you dont get more than 1 regen

>>35743035
its because im making magic stronger as we grow up and research things, while physical jobs are already on their final form.

But im always telling you that I am open to suggestions.

>>35746815
it kind of doesn't matter when you regen 3000 per round.

>>35746789
not that anon, but you just can't beat X-BUSTER

>>35746830
I see that it would make Champion a little weak compared to other jobs, but like I said here >>35742880, you lose a bit of the strategy involved in planning combat.

>>35743121
also, based the champion off this guy

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Xin_Zhao/Background

>>35743121
>But most people that get to champion would have like 4k hp. Healing 400 damage a turn is nice, but it can be overwhelmed relatively easily.

Yup. Its just that we are minmaxing and abusing the system a lot, you have you remember its not geared towards us, its geared towards normal people in the world

>>35743596
its gonna sound HADOKEN and drain love out of the universe

>>35746884
>drain love out of the universe
We'll just have to use our Cha and App to make more. The work of a hero is never done.

>>35746890
TKOAND presents: Oh, Eldric!
An Original Fanfiction

"I am here ladies and I'm in the mood and my shirt just came off"
*sounds of ripping clothes*
"Oh, Eldric!" *the girls*
"And I'm going to leave my helmet on"
And birds took flight for miles around
And the heads of villains exploded
And love was restored into the universe, and its levels overflowed!
It was amazing


Actually anyone has that whole thing? I only 1/2 remember it

>>35746830
Magic is in a weird place. In simple terms, it has much higher burst than physical abilities, but with our ability to use multiple job abilities/passives at once, there are ways to pump physical damage massively, while nothing like that really exists for magic.

It's also much harder to raise Int and MP than it is to raise other stats.

One thing I would suggest is a spell trick that gives a modifier to MP like Con gives to HP. Something like
Overflowing Spirit: Gain +2 Mana for every level you have. This effect is retroactive. You can purchase this effect multiple times.

It doesn't hugely matter to us because we're casting through our sword, but for other casters in our party, it'll be a pretty big deal.

>>35747030
We may be better off, creating a new spell trick.
And sharing our finding's. with our casters. Or just tell them to focus on that. And we focus on other things to get things going faster.

>>35747030
>a spell trick that gives a modifier to MP like Con gives to HP

I thought about that, but that would just her dragonforce specifically

thats why i prefer magic bullet. Right now we are doing 3 times the damage, compared to the MP we use, but with magic bullet it can be 5 or 7 times, which is already a huge boost.

Remember dragonforce CAN be affected by spell tricks, so even now we can have it arc from target to target

And yes I realize i just said i didint want to just boost dragonforce, but its inevitable in a sense

>>35747271
>dragonforce CAN be affected by spell tricks
Wait, we can cast a dragonforce painwall?

>>35747291
yes

>>35747330
And now I want to put someone into a dragonforce painwall cage.

>>35747330
>Dragon force+cascade+blast+chain

I think I just had an arcanogasm.

>>35747345
im looking at those sheets you guys did... theres no "total" line or column for, say, str?

>>35747368
There is. On Eldric, for example, it is row 41.

>>35747368
Ah, I did want to ask if the colors were working for you? I remembered you saying that black text on white was hard to read, which is why it's yellow on black.

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>>35746789
Chachamaru is a great girl too, but I want access to X-BUSTER. That move is all kinds of beefy. Hilbert-Effecting any of the undead would also be nice. Make them damn geists and such vulnerable to a good physical pounding.

This girl is seriously OP, and I fear we'll need that. She's a good waifu too, will make someone really happy. She was a very good representation, probably one of the root causes of my robogirl fetish. I wonder if we could make a version capable of going "blue eyed" on us, blue eyed version was such a nice and wonderful woman.

>>35747368

Totals are are at the bottom. So 3 levels of magic bullet, let us do with hybred spells, 900 damage on a 100 mana spell, which is high burst. then mix in other features.

For divine, when we summon is there any benefit from using more mana?

Mulitple levels of power summon with our stats makes them pretty beffy.

>>35747478
>For divine, when we summon is there any benefit from using more mana?
More HP and damage.

>>35747495

So buffing up summons is also a good idea.

so a 100 mana summon would be a pretty beefy one.

Is there rules on summoning multiple in a turn? I think being able to summon a bunch as a wall or protector is massive fights is good.

>>35747554
It'd have 3000 hp with our power summon x2 trick. Honestly the hp doesn't matter much because it would have 354 armor and SR. Almost nothing we know of could even hurt it.

No rules on multiple summons. We'd have to make a new spell or trick for that.

>>35747612
so 10000 mana would be?

>>35747619
Far more than we can ever get, but theoretically 300,000 hp.

>>35747628
what can't use a mana Crystie?

or a spell trick to cast from the mana Crystie directily ?

>>35747406
eh, i pressed ctrl E to select everything and changed the text color to white so its fine, thanks

>>35747657
Casting limits are based on 'sphere' levels. Max sphere level is 10, and it can only use 100mp per spell.

>>35747554
yeah, I had to decide between making better summons, or making more summons, as the divine thing, but in the end decided it was better to make them individually stronger instead of spamming them

Could you repost the link to the other sheets? i only see Mako on the one I have

>>35747677
so lv up casting sphere?

>>35747612

Might be a good idea to work on an additional summon type spell trick, so we can summon a small squad with a single spell.

They seem to be quite useful not for extra damage, as much as for the ability to distract and engage mulitple targets.

>>35747692

On the bottom of the page, the other characters should be on other workbooks.

>>35747677
thats how its been so far. I imagine that we could probably get into new "epic spells" levels if we went over 100 elemental/divine

>>35747692
The spreadsheet should have multiple sheets you can page through. Normally that's in the bottom left of your excel/openoffice window.

>>35747718
ah i see it now, thanks

>>35747720
A suggestion for the Zodiac Knight:

(A) Chivalry – You gain access to the following battle techniques:
Greater Aura of Command – You project a 120” aura at all times. At the beginning of your turn, you can change your aura as a free action.
Magic Armor - Affected allies improve all their elemental resistances by one step.

(A) Elemental – You gain access to the following elemental powers:
Spell shield - Select int bonus/2 targets. Create a small mobile wall that hovers near you. Any attack by those targets against you is intercepted by the wall. Wall has normal durability and HP.

(P)Star elemental type - Lets you cast untyped damage spells at 4x your normal mana limits. Cannot by hybridized.

>>35747720
Aww yeah, true Archmastery. Make reality your bitch. I look forward to the day we achieve such legendary power.

>>35747837
So, today? We have 102 elemental.

>>35747848

We still need to develope them I think.Takes time, just like spell tricks if we don't buy them

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>>35747785
>(A) Chivalry – You gain access to the following battle techniques:
>Greater Aura of Command – You project a 120” aura at all times. At the beginning of your turn, you can change your aura as a free action.
>Magic Armor - Affected allies improve all their elemental resistances by one step.
The Rune/Zodiac knights are not leader types, tho, it would make more sense to give them an attack ability.

How about:
Chivalry:
(A) [Elemental Blade] : As a free action when you attack an adjacent enemy with a melee basic attack, you can also cast a single target spell and add its damage as elemental damage of the proper type to your melee damage. This spell cannot be affected by spell tricks.

This would let you deal the extra damage as if you had rolled a critical with a rune knight, let you combo it with thaumaturge to get more spells off, but makes you spend the mana, while rune knight doesnt asks you for mana.

>(A) Elemental – You gain access to the following elemental powers:
>Spell shield - Select int bonus/2 targets. Create a small mobile wall that hovers near you. Any attack by those targets against you is intercepted by the wall. Wall has normal durability and HP.

Again, rune knight and zodiac knight are offensive jobs. The obvious ability to go with Elemental Blade would be

Elemental
(A) Mind of Steel - As a free action whenever you cast a spell against an adjacent opponent, you can follow it with a melee basic attack. This attack cannot be affected by weapon tricks.

>(P)Star elemental type - Lets you cast untyped damage spells at 4x your normal mana limits. Cannot by hybridized.

x4 base is too high, its fine if you want to use untyped damage, but it should be slightly weaker, not slightly stronger. After all you can reliably use it against anything without worrying about resistance

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>>35747962
so basically rune knight has a chance to deal extra damage for free, while zodiac knight WILL do extra damage, but it is not free.

Would probably give them a bonus to damage based on level, maybe they can ignore 1/2 their level in SR/Armor?

And they get 1/2 their level as extra MP each time they level up.

That way you'd want to keep leveling on it since it only gets more useful.

May also replace its hp per level for 1/2 its level, that way frees more points oer level for stats, and while its a bit weak at first, on the long run its stronger

>>35747962
so
>Cast a spell
>Mind of Steel-gain a basic melee attack
>Elemental Blade-modify basic melee attack
all in one round?

and you can't use any of the rune knight abilities?

>>35748011

yes, it should have a limit per round, I guess, otherwise it will be

Cast spell -> get free melee attack -> cast sell to increase its damage -> get a free melee attack -> cast spell to increase its damage -> etc until you run out of mana

Maybe just once per enemy as a free action. That way if you have, say, ambidexterity and hit two adjacent enemies (once with each arm), you can go sword -> spell -> sword on each of them.

Or spell -> sword -> spell

And why wouldnt you be able to use rune knight ability?

Anyway the idea is that the rune knight gives you explosive, possibly consecutive damage, but it depends on criticals, while zodiac gives you high damage on a regular basis.

Its just a first draft off the top of my head tho, so will probably change it a lot before i say "ok this is it" and even then will still change it if someone points some retarded mistake

>>35748094
>limit per round
I guess you add a bit in Elemental Blade that the free spell cannot be used with spell tricks OR abilites?

>rune knight
So...

>Sharp Spell
>Cast spell
>Mind of Steel
>Magic Sword
>Basic melee crits
>Elemental Blade AND Aggravate

is that right?

>>35748094

Alright let me think... as a 3rd tier job it has only 9 points for stats. Plus everyone gets 6 points for only defensive stats so it could be

+4 str
+2 Dex
+2 Con
+2 Wis
+4 int

+1 Melee Weapons

Need to get a point out of somewhere to be able to raise elemental as well...

How about allowing it to use Int for melee attack rolls? that way can focus on Int over Str?

+2 Str
+2 Dex
+2 Con
+2 Wis
+5 Int

+1 Melee weapons
+1 Elemental

Or even take out the str bonus completely, so it can go to Wis/Con which are frankly pretty important.

This way assumes the Zodiac Knight relies more on skill and chaining his attacks with spells/techniques, rather than brute force

Lets call this ability the 7th sense

So it would have these passives
Burning Cosmos: 1/2 Zodiac Knight level as hp gain & mp gain
7th sense: Can use Int for melee attack rolls instead of Str. Still uses Str for melee bonus damage

>>35748213
yes that seems right

>>35747962
>its fine if you want to use untyped damage, but it should be slightly weaker, not slightly stronger. After all you can reliably use it against anything without worrying about resistance

Not being able to hybridize it weakens it significantly. x4 is the equivalent of a fire, earth, air, water spell. Pure hybrid spells could also add metal and wood to it, giving x6.

>>35747692
SO could we say create a spell trick to prolong summon time?
Like instead of the time limit of 5 minutes make it longer? If we focus on summoning?

>>35748246
>7th sense: Can use Int for melee attack rolls instead of Str. Still uses Str for melee bonus damage
This is incredibly weak. Make it a straight bonus of int to attack rolls/damage.

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>>35748306
>create a spell trick to prolong summon time?
oh that seems fine. Right now its 5 minutes (or 100 rounds tho since a round its meant to be 3 seconds), thats not bad.

The only reason you'd really need to stretch that time would be to carry a summon from a fight to the next, really.

But, IIRC beastmen druids get a special ability that allows them to pay again as a free action to re-summon any summon that is dying because it was destroyed or ran out of time, so messing with that is taking a big chunk out of the "special thing" beastmen have.

Btw for a while "Hardest magic known to MAN" was going to be a human-only thing, but I changed my mind in the end.

Dwarves are really good at crafting
Beastmen grow quickly and are really good at summons
I still need to come up with the humans and majin "thing"
Elves have really sharp eyes, and get +5% base critical on all attacks, tho I think I forgot to include that in the PDF

>>35748400
You gave Thief an elf-only passive that grants +5% crit.

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>>35748359
You think? so take out the str bonus per level entirely?

Would be

+3 Con
+2 Dex
+3 Wis
+5 Int (+6 if you are a noble)

1/2 level as HP
1/2 level as MP

+1 Melee
+1 Elemental

Can use Int for melee attacks

>>35748421
ah, yes, i need to update that, and move it from there to the race section

>>35748439
No, i meant it would give +str+int to melee attacks.

Strength is roughly twice as easy to stack as Int. Perhaps a bit more. Replacing Str with Int is a downgrade, not an upgrade.

>>35748400
majins have more mp, and humans...are good at dungeons? Is there anything human only about devadasi or dungeoneers?

Maybe a specific orc job gets +2 party limit, too.

>>35748439
I think he was suggesting 7th sense to use Str AND Int for attack rolls, which would make Zodiac Knights super accurate melee units.

>>35748439
>

Human are good with leadership type things? A tier 3 job with humans bonus allows +1 party size?

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>>35748467
ah. Uhmm... that seeems balanced for normal people, but just asking to turn Eldric into a horrible horrible rape train

Ill go get breakfast while I keep thinking in how to implement it. If I did that, we would just keep zodiac knight on for every important fight...

meh I think I have it but ill brb

>>35748585
attack rolls are for accuracy only, right?

maybe you can work something else out for the damage.

>>35748585
>Uhmm... that seeems balanced for normal people, but just asking to turn Eldric into a horrible horrible rape train


well is that not the sorta the point we are like a little bit god right?

>>35748585
>but just asking to turn Eldric into a horrible horrible rape train
We already are.

Look at it this way, we are currently only mission one of the t1/t2 jobs that grants int - seducer. We haven't specialized in Str classes yet. And we currently still have more str than int. Once we push down the barbarian/mamluk lines we'll have twice as much str as int.

+int is going to be a sideshow for our melee damage. It'll be nice, but the zodiac knight extra cast on melee hit will mean far more, because that lets us hit someone with a weaponthane charge or thane frenzy, cast spells on every hit and those spells let us make our supersummons for free.

>>35748666
>mission
missing*

What the fuck, autocorrect.

>>35748618
oh i meant attack and damage. Anyway eating now, but the idea i had was to simply add 1/2 your zodiac knight level to attack rolls and damage. Thats the same, technically, as gaining +5 str and +5 int per level every level

level 20
+100 str
+100 int
<---> +10 to attack rolls for spells and melee attacks, and +10 to melee and spell damage

Level 20
1/2 level to attack and damage
--> +10 to attack rolls for spells and melee attacks, and +10 to melee and spell damage

Its actually a little bit stronger since it even helps with ranged attack and damage

>>35748724
That's something that would be nice on a t1 class, but it's well below par when compared to the stuff other t3 classes can do.

>>35748585
>f I did that, we would just keep zodiac knight on for every important fight...

So it'd be like Master monk, or Weaponthane, or Fedaykin, etc.

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>>35748808
really? I think its good substained damage and steady tankyness

Sure, weaponthane can assrape waves of mooks, and gladiator can outlast them, but zodiac knight can deal heavy damage constantly, and sometimes explosive damage if it rolls a crit. Remember that you can still use your rune knight abilities.

Its better for taking down big game, I think

>>35748901
It's the equivalent of a 40+ level job. Stat bonuses from it are simply not going to matter compared to everything else.

>>35748901
Unrelated, but i've got a question about passive stacking. Assume you have monk, white monk and master monk active. An adjacent enemy tries to attack you. Is the timeline of events then

-Hamedo counter
-enemy attack automatically misses
-counter

?

>>35749132

What I understand is that passives, unless you have the job active, do not stack. I think actives follow over, but I am not too sure.

>>35749174
>Assume you have monk, white monk and master monk active

>>35748916
well, remember its going to be able to do
sword-> spell->sword or spell->sword->spell each time it attacks an adjacent enemy, so its already attacking 3 times.

I think thats pretty good. What do you propose, instead?

>>35749174
right
>>35749132
yes

>>35749417
Star elemental types as above or giving a bonus to melee attack/damage of +int.

Stat boost passives are wasted on t3's.

>>35749465
uhmm...

You think that because we are stacking t1s thanks to our scion job, but for everyone else, theyre useful

How would you do it?

>>35749604
Do what?

>>35749638
zodiac knight and t3s in general

>>35748901

So for spell damage, it is base 3 damage per mp +int bonus. 3 damage per 3 mp for AOE spells.

Melee damage is weapon damage +strength bonus.

So with a 300str and 300 int.

A melee attack with a runic sword (35) damage sword does 35 +30 damage.

A spell attack for 15 base mana does 45+30 damage.

If you have monkey's grip and Ambidexterity, you roll twice with two runic great swords(70) for 70 +30 damage with each for a total of 200 damage.

However from weapon spell tricks, for increasing damage that is pretty close to max. Swipe and Windblade will allow you to hit more targes however.

If you have 1 levels of the MagicBullet spell trick, and hybrid spell trick a 30 base mana spell will do, 150 damage +60, total of 210.

Spell damage tricks scale a lot better then weapon damage tricks.

If you have 3 levels of hybrid, 3 levels of magic bullet a 15 base spell, enhanced by adding 3 more elements, costs 60 mana and does 540 + 120 damage, for 660 damage.

If you for example also get 2 levels of cascade and 2 levels of chain, your super bullet for 60 mana will hit 3 targets, 3 times, doing 1980 damage.

If eldric pushes his elemental enough to take all those, using the stats in the spreadsheet, he could throw out a 100 mana spell that would do :

100 mana, x9 (900 base damage), + 4 x int(50) for 1100 damage a shot. If he then has 3 targets to bounce, it would 3300 damage to 3 targets.

Magic has the best damage scaling compared to melee.

>>35749679
I look at master monk and weaponthane and try to give abilities that are as useful.

Because, let's be real here, nothing proposed for zodiac knight even comes close to immunity to basic attacks.

>>35749700
>Magic has the best damage scaling compared to melee.
When you only look at tricks, yes

When you look at job abilities melee trashes magic, barring dragonforce/die for power.

>>35749700
And then you run into a weaponthane and he nullifies your magic while ripping your face off.

>>35749700

As an addendum to that however is that rage techniques allow you an amazing amount of melee attacks. A Weaponthane, barbarian, thane can continually rip massive chunks of melee attacks.

>>35749807

Sure, a weaponthane with 6 rage abilities, (barb. thane, weaponthane) can do 6 melee attacks in a single charge, if they are holding 2 runic greataxes for example and have 400 strength, they can 220 damage each basic attack,(1320) and then charge the next target, up to 6 times a fight.

They can do even more if they add shifter and predator to there class history I think they then have 15 rage abilities and can get 15 melee attacks on a free charge and can do it 15 times a combat. They would likely have ~500 strength in that build. 3600 damage on a charge, if they never miss. More if they have maul active of course.

>>35749987
>up to 6 times a fight.
No, they can do that forever. Neither horned god nor garsman have limitations on use.

>>35749700
Single target spells are
1:3

AoE (Burst spell trick) is 2:3, and if you take burst again its 1:2 and if you take it again it 1:3 same as single target spells

Yes, melee weapon is weapon + str bonus

Runic sword 35 + 30 if you have 300 str yes

MP / damage
15 / 45 + 30 from 300 int, yes
With Magic bullet its
30 / 150 + 30 from 300 int
or if you are hybridizing with 2 elements
45 / 225 + 30 from 300 int
If you take magic bullet again its
30 / 210 + 30
or if you hybridize with 2 elements its
45 / 315 +30

And dont forget you can take magic bullet 3 times so instead of 1:3 it ends as 1:9

So a hybrid spell using 30 mana would do 270 damage+30 from int
Or using 45 mana (from hybridizing with 2 elements) would do 405

>If you have monkey's grip and Ambidexterity, you roll twice with two runic great swords(70) for 70 +30 damage with each for a total of 200 damage.

right

If you have 1 levels of the MagicBullet spell trick, and hybrid spell trick a 30 base mana spell will do, 150 damage +60, total of 210.
No, you are still addint int only once since its just 1 spell

>Spell damage tricks scale a lot better then weapon damage tricks.
Yes but they cost mana while sword strikes cost swinging your sword

>If you for example also get 2 levels of cascade and 2 levels of chain, your super bullet for 60 mana will hit 3 targets, 3 times, doing 1980 damage.

You are adding int too many times, but yes, its a fair chunk of damage

using bonus points doesnt give you access to higher spheres, tho, only to more spell tricks

>>35750029

Garsman does not, horned god has a limit. Not that it really matters as the number of enemies in a single encounter is not that high.

Of course if yo mix them with swipe you are basically a walking AE machine.

>>35750072
>horned god has a limit
No, it doesn't. Look at the pdf.

Horned God – As a free action when you kill an enemy, you can charge another enemy.

>>35750065

I was adding int multiple times, cause of the wording on Hybrid Damage in the pdf :

Hybrid – You can meld and fuse different elements into your spells. By paying the extra MP cost of adding another element into a preexisting spell, you raise the spell's damage. For example, a Flame Arrow spell costs 8MP and deals 24 + intelligence modifier points of fire damage to your target. By adding wind into it, you are paying a total of 16MP, and dealing 48 + (2 x Intelligence modifier) points of fire and wind damage to your target. You can pick this trick more than once, each time allowing you to add another element into your spell.

>>35750088

Sorry I had them flipped. Garsman has a limit, Horned God does not.

Rage – You gain access to the following battle techniques:

Horned God – As a free action when you kill an enemy, you can charge another enemy.

Garsman – As a free action after a charge, you can do a number of basic melee attacks equal to the number of Rage battle techniques you know. These
attacks cannot be enhances by Weapon Tricks. You can use this battle technique a number of times per encounter equal to the number of Rage battle
techniques you know.

>>35750128
Ah, he nerfed Garsman then.

>>35750161

Garsman is pretty beefy, however as you gain rage stacks the limit matters a little less.

Horned god is not really quite as strong, it is good for blowing up low level fodder however.

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>>35749734
>Because, let's be real here, nothing proposed for zodiac knight even comes close to immunity to basic attacks.

I thought 3 strong attacks per turn and maybe more if you rolled a crit, which anons have been calculating how to get as often as possible, was pretty good

>>35749926
>And then you run into a weaponthane and he nullifies your magic while ripping your face off.
this made me smirk

Well, nobody its perfect. Wouldnt want this to be a game totally dominated by a single type of character for everything.

Weaponthanes are very good vs magic and against mooks, byt a large enough enemy is not gonna be impressed by it charging it and then doing 3 basic attacks

A zodiac knight on the other hand (im gonna use the word free a lot. Yes I know they cost 6 mana, lets be honest, its technically free)
Melee attack
Can spell cast as a free action
Free Melee attack

What resolves first? the free melee attack.
Using rune blade, it has a very very good chance of being a critical with a build geared towards that, a marshall and a singer in the party.

Its over 50% chance so lets say its a critical
So you get to cast a spell for free.
Which also has over 50% chance. Lets say its a critical too
Lets assume this repeats itself for 3-4 times before you roll really shitty

So really its

Melee attack
Spell
Melee attack

Che that melee attack? its a crit? because chances are that it is and it triggers a...

spell -> free melee attack -> extra spell
melee -> extra spell
spell -> free melee attack
melee -> extra spell
spell -> free melee attack
melee -> extra spell

and only NOW do you start applying those original melee -> spell -> melee that started this whole thing

So you have a guy that attacks about 18-21+ times per turn against a single target

How is this "so weak" compared to other t3 jobs? I just dont see it

>>35750222
Wait, are you saying that the rune knight passive can work on attacks granted by itself? Because that's a bad idea. You can get 100% melee crit and 75% spell crit.

>>35750128
you are right, according to the pdf. I had forgotten that, let me think about it quickly...

honestly i think its fine, you are spending a finite resource which has a huge gaping hole known as barbarian jobs on it

And silence and other stuff like that, [toad] being the funniest. Have you seen the "´plague of toad" on the pdf?

>>35750188
this is what I was going for
I wanted a stacking mechanic that didint need us to keep track in combat every round. Instead of saying "oh i hit him once so i have 1 rage stack against him" and then "oh i hit him 6 times i have 6 rage stacks against him" i wanted it to be easier to keep track of, so going into a fight knowing you can only do X, Y times per fight, its easier

>>35750277
>100% melee crit
really? i thought it was 80% how are you getting 100?

>>35750404
Base +5%, Ginaz Swordmaster +25%, Artisan +10%, Singer +5%, Lord +5%, Rune blade +25%, Kris Knife +25%

>>35750222

Zodiac Knights are all about getting multiple attacks and multiple crits. They are a crit fisher build with 2 weapons at the same time.

Any gear the extends crit damage range is best.

They work best after being fully geared up properly.

>>35750377

I have a question, lets say you go predator -> shifter, and then go barbarian -> thane -> weapon thane, do your active rage abilities carry over and just the passives do not, right?

Same with chivalry and other abilties?

I guess Dreadnaught would be the ultimate melee active ability machine then

>>35750300
If you turn someone into a toad and have the cook job active, do you get bonus crit against them?

>>35750424
oh god thats just so funny
yeah I didint think of stacking all those jobs at the same time... wait... kris knife... dont you need to be stealthed for that? and if you use a skill, ability, spell, etc, you come out of stealth, so how are you going to apply the rune blade +25% without ruining your own stealth right as you are attacking? that only gives us 75%

btw 80% if you are an elf

>>35750222
The craziness is coming from rune knight, not zodiac knight. Frenzy or garsman gives more attacks that can enter crit chains like you describe.

As the other anon said, limit rune knight's passive to only work on attacks not granted by itself. That way you get 5 attacks max for a zodiac knight, which is equivalent to the other flurries you can get.

>>35750638
Fedaykin lets you enter stealth as a move action. Fremen passive lets you enter stealth after a crit.

>>35750441
yes they carry over

yes, the idea was for any melee job to be able to unlock dreadnought

>>35750535
thats just hilarious enough that im gonna allow it

I dont know if ive said this to you before, but I am powered by laugh

>>35750644
oh, fine

>>35750670
yes, but im not arguing about what lets you ENTER stealth, im reminding you that using any ability or spell takes you OUT of stealth. If you are in stealth and use, say, runic blade to gtet +25% critical, you go out of stealth before rolling the attack

>>35750749
That really depends on how you interpret 'free action'. If you come out of stealth because you initiate an attack and then before the attack hits you activate runic blade, then it works fine.

>>35750749
so smoke bombs to re ENTER stealth?

>>35750811
Hamedo, Ginaz Counter and Cavalry Smasher all imply that it is possible for free actions to happen after an attack is intended but before it actually hits.

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>>35750875
again, that sounds funny enough i'd allow it. Maybe could leave a straw doll in place, too

>>35750811
oh cmon you are abusing it and you know it. Im laughing right now, but thats a bit much. Just leave it at a max of 75-80% so i dont have to make crit immune or resistant mobs and armors starts appearing. Tecnically I could, and would have every right to, but it would just be mean.

ugh, i gave the child a plastic glass with soap and water and ,ade it a stick with a ring at the end by twisting a rubber-covered wire and her mom took it from her.

FFS

She came to check because the child wasnt crying/screaming so she thought it was "unusual"

Really, its not that hard. If it is busy blowing gently to make bubbles, its neither crying nor screaming

I got told to mind my own business and the toy got thrown away

Some people, man

>>35751031
Shrug. Then we just turn someone into a toad while cook is active instead of trying to use krys knife.

Point being, rune knight's passive shouldn't work on itself, and Zodiac knight's passive should be strong enough to make keeping it active worthwhile.

>>35751031
My condolences on your neighbor being a twat.

>>35751031

It makes it look like the Knights 'Nurse' Ability is a free heal that heals your wisdom bonus.

Looking at it though, it is not too much of a heal. For low levels it is like ~10 or so. the debuff removal is very nice, since it should affect debuff such as death count down.

Lord looks to be one just to open for the actives. Seize the day is just amazing. Can someone have both Aura of command(lord) and greater aura of command(marshal) active or are they either or abilities?

Paladin has 2 winning abilities, condem a pure taunt and divine mettle something to massive reduce incoming damage.

Justicar the passives just allowed you to stack cha bonus to armor.

Marshal's passive allows your aura's to affect whole battle fields.

Duelist is kinda weird in that it neither has magic or Chivalry, but the pre-req classes do.

In general the actives for Chivalry classes are nice for a group, but the passives are kinda meh.

>>35751031
Lady is a total bitch, I would so let a kid play with that for a while. Only differences here is in the states we would have simply bought it instead of making it.

>>35751156
adding 1/2 its level to attack and damage seems fairly good to me.

But if you have another idea, beyond "this is no good", tell it to me

Its too easy saying "this doesnt work". Its harder to say "this works better"

>>35751370
>Looking at it though, it is not too much of a heal. For low levels it is like ~10 or so. the debuff removal is very nice, since it should affect debuff such as death count down.

uhmm... thats not really a debuff, tho, if you are talking about the 5 rounds countdown to dissapear

If you are talking about doom-type curses, which kill you in X rounds, then yes, it does remove those

>Duelist
Uhmmm you are right, I wonder what I should... wait... I thought i had removed the class requirements for it? its more of a "by invitation" job than a job you can unlock

>bought it instead of making it.
Eh, its more magical if the child sees how its done, I think

>>35751603

Doom Curses is what I mean. The poof timer is not an effect, it is just a notification. Besides a corpse is no longer an ally.

Looking back, the Justicar adding to armor is nice. If you push your armor total to over ~100 or so, you will largely mitigate all but the mightiest of strikes. Heavy armor, +200 con is like 80 armor provided. If you add more due to high con it can really get massive.

I guess that is one of the strengths of magic, it is easier to boost spell damage past most expected SR.

To damage some really tough monsters you will need to use all sorts of songs and buffs to add to each melee strike.

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>>35751767
oh god i need a new image for "oh god im surrounded by idiots"

the woman came to ask me how it worked
"what? how what works?"
"the bubbles, i cant make bubbles"
"...seriously?"
"yeah, i guess i broke it"
"Let me see what you are doing wrong"

She picked it up from the trash can and was using it with NO SOAP

Im losing faith in the female gender because of this woman, i swear!

I dont know what to ... should i be upset that it took the baby's toy, or that shes so retarded she cant mix soap in the water. Its unreal

I remember teaching a small cousin, 11 years old, to play D&D waaaaaaay back in the day, and told him
"the ogre does 10... and 10 more damage"
and he said "23?"

And I was like "..." but this blows it out of the park

>>35751981
You seem to be wayyyy above average intelligence in your area. Are you ever planning to move?

>>35751981

Sounds typical. Lot of people can't put things together without being told sometimes.

It is obvious the lady does not get that if she wants the kid to be quite some simple toys would be best.

Looking at that map, i would bet that as soon as the airship fleet starts to operate the Alquian Empire will sue for peace, get it with some reperations and then concentrate on Yellowleaves some.

Knife ears screwed up by attacking the coalition.

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>>35752016
Eh, I moved here because my last floormates were angry at me. They said "you use fag words, really complicated stuff to make fun of us. And whats with all that greeting and politeness, it's like you are rubbing your education in our faces, dude!"

In spanish, obviously

Anyway I got a Q-Tip and a straw for the baby to use as toy next time. So she can blow the Q tip to her dolls quietly

>>35752117
>It is obvious the lady does not get that if she wants the kid to be quite some simple toys would be best.
Yeah, it really seems so. They tell her to play quietly, in an area with nothing for it to play with.

wtf is it meant to play with? the cactii collection ?

>focus on yellowleaves

I dont know, if I was the coalition, i wouldnt like the alquian army going that deep inside my territory, even if they technically are not.

I mean, if they march their army through yellowleaves to the north, that leaves them right at the door of both Opal city and Eopolis

ah, how's this image?

anyway, suggestions for a better passive and stat distribution for zodiac knight?

>>35752297

For zodiac knight I would like the ability as a passive to add int as weapon damage as a passive.

Otherwise, maybe as a damage add on.

Maybe : (1 + (Zodiac Knight level + int)/2 ) * Weapon Damage as a damage multiplier. Extra damage is done in elemental

>>35752297

So you are saying is that Yellowstone by basis of it's position is safe once the coalation makes peace with the empire.

Other then the fact they pissed off a bunch of neighbors and trade partners.

Yeah I guess with the way the map is they are safe, other then if anyone wants payback for them or somehow extract some conessions.

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>>35752515
for an automated game running on a console or a pc, thats fine. Its also fine for a regular pen and paper game, but here its too complicated. Thats why im trying to stick to formulas that are as simple as possible, so I can run combat as quickly as possible

im confused by the 1+ tho, why 1+?

It could be 1/2 zodiac knight level as a bonus to attack and damage, tho

Or maybe another +1 to critical multipliers every 10 levels in zodiac knight, plus a +1 base, so...
lvl 1 zk critical melee does x3 instead of x2, and range/spells do x4 instead of x3
lvl 11 zk melee criticals do x4, range/spells do x5 instead of x3
lvl 21 zk melee crits do x5 insterad, range/spells do x6, etc

>>35752622
yes, i mean, the alquians and the orcs can RAID them all they want, just not conquer them... actually i think it would be alright (and hilarious?) if the orcs conquered them

Wood orcs with elves as slaves? im sure thats someone's magical realm. Dare we enter it?

<-- i like this girl as Mako, she looks SO soft and huggable

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>>35752711
after thinking about it, now I want that to happen. The orcs move into the forest and kick the elves out. The elves go into exile to the desert region south of yellowleaves but north of alquia...

and noone helps them because "fuck you" and "now im angry, angry about elves"

I wonder what would the dwarves say if the orcs displace the elves as their neighbors?

"Meh, same thing" or maybe "at least they're not hippies"

>>35752711
that pic just needs dark black hair
ohh that reminds me thers a quest call monster girls were theirs a a charicter named Maylen and she has black hair blue eyes they have a drawing that would work for mako
the threads are in the sub tg archive i would get the pics but im on my phone

>>35752711

Crit modifier works, as they do crit fishing.

That works best, and is a definate boom part.

Imagine Criting 'Sword of Promised Victory' with a 6 or 8x modifier.

Literally split the earth.

Alquians after getting peace launch a massive smash and grab on the elves, the elves rush to push them out, they retreat in order and the orcs move in to take over 1/2 the forst.

>>35752805
yaa and the elfs use aristu as a way to get in contact with eldric given there past friendship

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>>35752885
well, shes noble, but its not like shes a princess... actually wouldnt it be nice if she was so we could sit someone not retarded on the throne there? but that would be fate throwing one too many royals at eldric, wouldnt it?

well, only those with wealth and/or power are sent to study there, so maybe its believable? probably 50% or more of the students are at least heirs to an earl or duke or so

>>35752973
well when you deal with a high ranking noble you do have to sand a decent ranking noble
to discuss politics and call for aid
so they have the atority to take the offer back to the correct leaders

>>35752973

Elves probably run by a council, would not be surprised if the general stupidity was not from a king, but a council making the decisions. Half asses shit that came from committe.

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>>35753127
lol how did you know?

>>35752973
so how do drugs/potions work?
could we some how with alchemy
make modern stims/meds/or super potions with those methods?

what did we do as a chemical engineer?

(idea have dwarf craft barrels and another handles and a third the chamber/trigger the we assemble to make a gun?

>>35753612

It is a classic feature of a lot of elven nations in fiction.

Of course, strong elven kings tend to live a long time and end up influencing things significantly.

Weak kings last just as long most of the time, just they watch there power slip away decade by decade to a council through politics.

***

I have an idea for something to invent next.

An attachable Beer holder and straws for dwarven helmets. Like the classic sports ones.

I wonder If i should bother getting a trip for some quest posting, so it is easier to keep track of what I said.

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>>35753718
>what did we do as a chemical engineer?
let me ask my friend when I see him

last i knew, he was in the navy, in charge of the nuclear generator inside a sub, but i doubt that applies in any way to this world

Honestly since the world runs on RPG mechanics a gun would just be the same as a 1 handed crosbow, and a rifle would be about as good as a bow

You would be like goddamn i finally made an assault rifle and then get dissaointed when 6 bullets per trigger squeeze somehow only do as much damage as a greatbow anyway

You know, balance. Could invent a shotgun and have it deal small damage per pellet but shoot a lot of pellets, tho. So high overall damage, but shit against heavily armored targets

Say, a target has armor 60 and your shotgun shoots 10 projectiles, each of which does 3+30 (implying 300 dex) damage.

All the projectiles would do 33 damage vs armor 60 and get nullified, while it would be awesome against low armor targets

But since con gives you a bonus to armor, that really just means low level targets. and who really cares about soft targets that would die just fine to a single arrow or swordstrike, anyway?

If you made an assault rifle, it would still have to fit in the poor/good/fine/runic/legendary categories and do damage accordingly, so theres really not much point other than, carrying bullets its probably more comfortable than carrying arrows, up to a point, since theres item boxes anyway

>>35753830
>An attachable Beer holder and straws for dwarven helmets. Like the classic sports ones.
this sounds hilarious, thus i allow it
from now on, dwarven bersekers are dwarven beersekers

Sure, I am used to asking people to at least use a name so i know who im replying to

>>35753948
need protection from cold and cold enchantment for cold beer, hell add a light too

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>>35753989
would a self refilling beer can be a holy artifact or an heresy?

>>35753948
how would a nuke work? or radiation ?

also I don't understand why people want a steam engine, then Internal Combustion can be run off alcohol?

is there anything in SPACE!!!!!!?

>>35753948

From what has been explained, I gave up on explosives and other things because it is an RPG world when we were advised things would not be the same here as they were in his prior world.

Explosives would be useful, solely for mining.

It could be argued that Okaba and Eldric could easily make a magical gun, that you feed mana into to replicate a spell effect. But you would merely end up with is a magical wand that fires rock bullets.

>>35754019
It would cause the great Dwarven Schism. A refilling beer mug is allowed as long as it is descended from the gods.

A mere can, made by mortal hands? Blasphemy! There are processes to follow when brewing great dwarven beer.

>>35754074

I wouldn't mind a steam engine as there is much that could be powered by it. I would much rather get the basics of it and then create a magical based steam engine though.

>>35754019
Artifact on Fenris, heresy everywhere else.

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>>35754074
>how would a nuke work? or radiation ?
uhmm... i wonder if the gods would understand what you are doing while building a nuke. If they dont, theres a chance it wont work at all

>also I don't understand why people want a steam engine, then Internal Combustion can be run off alcohol?

who wants a steam engine? what for? we have magic, we can make perpetual movement machines (at least until their parts break from wearing down). Hell, making a little golem and having it run inside a hamster wheel for electricity is a thing

>is there anything in SPACE!!!!!!?
hell, im more worried about wether the world is round or a disk on top of 4 elephants on top of a turtle, and will someday find and fuck disckworld

>>35754115
>It could be argued that Okaba and Eldric could easily make a magical gun, that you feed mana into to replicate a spell effect. But you would merely end up with is a magical wand that fires rock bullets.
this sounds about right

actually water is a rather common element, but good beer isint. It would probably be a horribly complicated enchantment IF it could be done at all

>>35754236
of course, I

well holy fuck my godfather came from another city to visit me so ill be gone for at least a few hours

>>35754404
well go enjoy time with you godfather