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>>35671294

You are KARLA WEISS, a Belkan fighter pilot looking to carve your own place in the skies!

"The name's Lara! Lara Williams!" The girl says with a cheerful smile, her hand held out.

"Um, Karla. Karla Weiss." You respond, shaking her hand. You weren't quite used to other people being this up front with you.

"Weiss... that's a Belkan name, isn't it?" Lara leans her, her expression more curious than accusatory. Even so, it made you feel slightly uncomfortable.

>'Weiss' is actually a very common name on the Osean continent.
>I was born in Belka, yes.
>Of course I'm Belkan.
>Other

>>35671300
>>Of course I'm Belkan
We're proud.

>>35671300
>>Of course I'm Belkan.
ILL FITE U M8 SWEA ON ME MUM

>>35671300
>>Of course I'm Belkan.
Yes, and?

>>35671300
>>I was born in Belka, yes.

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>>35671300
>>Of course I'm Belkan.

>>35671300
>>I was born in Belka, yes.

>>35671300
>Of course I'm Belkan.

Yeah, so we need a nickname or a squadron name first before we get an emblem.

(i.e. Banshee, a screaming skull or something)

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>Have to leave for classes in twenty minutes
>See this thread

Merc pls

Also F-35 when?

>>35671300
>I was born in Belka, yes.

>>35671300
>I was born in Belka, yes.

>>35671300
>>I was born in Belka, yes

>>35671300
>Of course I'm Belkan.
Haha! It's on.

>>35671300
>>I was born in Belka, yes.

>>35671378

Two pilots a squadron does not make. Let's wait until we have somewhere around 4-6 before we start thinking of squadron names.

>>35671300
>Of course I'm Belkan.

>>35671425
Endgame because the only thing better is an F22 but that doesn't even have EO/IR sensors so F-35 would be the best in general.

Haha, time for AC Quest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UANlAn2AbqM

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>>35671515
>F-35
>best
>anything

>>35671570
Yes, it will be the best multi-role on the planet once it enters service. Why do you think it won't be?

Kinda feel bad that we won't have a co-pilot in the backseat who'll have to deal with us doing crazy Ace Combat stuff.

>>35671606
>"What are you doing!?"

>"Flying down this railgun/canyon/tunnel!"

>>35671606
That's the one thing about Ace Combat games. You never have the guy in the back. I, for one, would have welcomed the back seater in AC5

>>35671652
"ARE YOU INSANE!?"

>>35671628
>PLANE JOUSTING!

>>35671606
>>35671628
>>35671652
>>35671674
I like to imagine the guy in the backseat was voiced by my favourite voice actor.

>>35671652
>>35671674
poor bastard would die of a heart attack by the end

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>>35671589

Because people still see it as a gigantic money sinkhole that hasn't had the best of prototype trials--not to say that isn't true, but the F-35's development history has been definitely more public than previous fighters.

>>35671674
>>35671652
I'd like to hear the backseater commenting when the player does an F-4 run through the story.

>You know we could be in any fucking jet we wanted to right now.

>Something nice and flashy like an F-22?

>Something that would conveniently leave me on the ground when you take on an entire fucking squadron by yourself!

>>35671628
>>35671674
>>35671689
"Why am I even trying to act surprised"

By the end of the game, s/he'll probably have 110% faith in you and trust you like family.

>>35671300
>>I was born in Belka, yes.
Belka a shit. Osean pride, nation wide.

>>35671727
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkrtxDdaWuM

It isn't true. Just look at every other development cycle of modern planes.

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>>35671652

>HOW ARE WE GOING THIS FAST?!
"I don't know, but we need to go faster!"
>OUR WINGS WOULD HAVE SHEARED OFF WITH THAT LAST MANEUVER. HOW IS THIS THING STILL FLYING?

>copilot's face whenever he receives orders to suit up

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>>35671300
"Of course I'm Belkan." You huff up your chest with a bit. Remember what Detlef taught you. Be proud of your heritage.

"Cool!" Lara grins. "Never actually seen a Belkan before!"

"We... look pretty much like anybody else." You frown. You're not sure if all Emmerians were this eccentric or if it was just this girl in particular.

"Anyways, I'm sure you'll fit right in with our little squad!" Lara laugh as she slaps you on the back. "Hey, you wanna meet the rest of our flight?"

>Um, sure.
>Actually, I want to take the Phantom for a spin.
>Don't tell me you're in charge...
>Other

>>35671787
>>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>>Um, sure.
Let's meet and greet

>>35671787
>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>>Um, sure.
>>Don't tell me you're in charge...

>>35671787
>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>Um, sure.

>>35671787
>>Actually, I want to take the Phantom for a spin.

TEST DRIVE

>>35671787
>Um, sure.

So what kind of plane should be next on our hitlist to top tier?

I'm thinking of going for an F-16 or Mirage.

>>35671959
A-10
BRRRRRRTTTTTT

>>35671959
Whatever Merc puts up for vote.

>>35671959
A 4th gen...
I'll accept the F-16.
>>35671978
Do I need to shove you A-10fags into the ground again?

>>35671959
lets wait to see what we get

A-10 XMAS

>>35671959
F-16, and then F-15, and then F-22.

F-35 a shit.

>>35671959
IF you can't make an f-5E do everything you need in an AC game you are doing it wrong.

>>35671995
oh god that thing was fucking nuts in ace 6

>>35671985
>Do I need to shove you A-10fags into the ground again?
What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of my BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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>>35671997
>going past the F-15

F-15 is love. F-15 is life.

>>35671985
You are literally a shit, sir. Say that the A-10 sucks to the infantrymen that love it.

>>35671959
Mirage 2000 and a Super mirage 4000

>>35671959
I wonder if we'll get a Strangereal prototype plane that's mid tier instead of top tier?

>>35671985
try it bitch!

>>35671787
>>Um, sure.

>>35671959
F-16 works.

>>35672013
You CAN do it, it doesn't mean it isn't really annoying to go back and re-arm because you ran out of guns and missiles every couple of minutes.

>>35672021
Russia made a better BRRT

Gsh/AK -630 says go home

>>35672027
Infantryman here and we couldn't tell the difference between a -16 or a -10 providing CAS unless he opened up with the BRT, which was largely ineffective unless the dickers were setup perfectly for a gunrun, which they never were.

>>35672021
>>35672027
>>35672033
I'll just link y'all to my post on /k/.
>>23307825

>>35672047
Isn't that the gun that would literally shake apart the planes it was mounted on.

>>35672088
yep....I think it killed a pilot or two

>>35672072
All the infantry I've talked to loved it, because after its initial run, it could sit there and loiter.

>>35672085
Bah, just copying and pasting it then

The A-10 is a great plane for what it was designed to do. However, what it was designed to do is obsolete in a modern environment.

The A-10 is actually the least survivable plane for CAS in this day and age. While yes, it is heavily armored, its fault lies in its obsolete design. The A-10 is designed for going low and slow, trying to soak up damage from enemy AA fire while taking out advancing columns of Soviet armor. However, that in and of itself makes it obsolete. By going low and slow, the A-10 exposes itself to enemy fire from both SPAAGs and MANPADs. It was taken down by both in Desert Storm. A conventional multi-role flies far above the engagement ceiling of both of those systems. Thus, the multi-role is more survivable because the best defense is avoiding being shot in the first place.

Further, the GAU-8 is useless for taking on enemy tanks. A 20 or 25mm gun will have the same effect on both soft and lightly armored targets as the 30mm. The A-10's main weapon for taking on the enemy is the missile. The Maverick missile, for taking on enemy armor. If you can bring that same weapon system on a different plane that is more survivable and can fill more roles than the A-10, wouldn't you?

>>35672085
>links to reply to glorious m'lady

Uhh that ain't on /k/...

>>35672023
I'd love it of we could pull a Pixy and pilot an F-15 and, sometime later, a Morgan.

Unfortunately, we already did the whole emulating Pixy thing in GBFQ.

Oh well, that just means we can pilot an F-14D, Mod it into a -Zipang- and then, hopefully, change to a Falken or Nosferatu.

>>35671959
I want to say F-14 cause not saying it would be a sin but an F-16 or an F-15 would do.

>>35672125
That's what the post number is, no clue why it didn't work.

>>35672106
nah it hasn't done that much damage, sure it destroyed a couple airframes, but no fatalities.

its broken switches and gauges and canopies and landing gear and lights and rattled things loose and cracked the airframe, but that was all before they put mechanical burst limiters on it so it can't do that any more, it's why you only see SU-25's doing half second bursts, the gun is limited from doing more

>>35672109
So could everything else they put over my head unless it was a shitty marine harrier or a -15, both of which guzzled too much fuel being useless.

>>35672162
So basically, it's another piece of slavshit. Brilliant, I guess?

>>35672113
Dude knows what's up.

>>35672197
Su-25 can carry a better payload, that's what matters anyways.

>>35672197
>So basically, it's another piece of slavshit. Brilliant, I guess?
More like another piece of military tech during its trial run, you should see the reports from the F-111 and the UH-60's initial production batches and the problems they had keeping them in the air. Both were dropping like flies for the first couple years they were introduced.

>>35672162
The Su-25 doesn't us the GSH-6-30, it uses the GSh-30-2.

If it was possible to use it, I wonder if an XF-108 Rapier would be good. From my knowledge it seems to the the next gen F-4.

>>35672209
Its performance in the real world has been... disheartening, to say the least. It's basically proof that aircraft like itself and the A-10 have no real place in a modern threat environment, because "hanging around for a while" while going low and slow, when the enemy has MANPADS and actual AA systems anywhere within 10 miles of it is a bad fucking idea.

But they're great at killing poorly equipped savages, sure.

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You know what would be REALLY awkward?

>Pixy tries to hit on us in a bar, and he doesn't know we're a pilot.
>He tries to win us over by telling us about his battles during the Belkan War.
>Goes into detail about shooting down one guy with a stupid looking emblem on his plane.
>We recognize that emblem as our father's... and then we slap him right then and there. So hard that the entire room feels it.

>>35672246
Indeed it does, I was thinking of the SU-25TM which had them fitted, though it seems they've since replaced them with 30-2's

>>35672300
If that happened, we'd do more than slap him, I'd say take one of his hands off.

>>35672158
Post numbers are not site wide. They're board wide. There's a different format for cross-board links.

>>35672331
I did not know that. I've never done cross board linking before.

>>35672300
>hurting our buddy
>ever

>>35672230
Saying "BUT OTHER THINGS HAD PROBLEMS TOO" doesn't mitigate the fact that the SU-25 is an overhyped piece of shit that gets shot down fairly regularly in regional conflicts by any force that is even marginally equipped with MANPADS, much less serious air defense systems.

Not even the A-10 has suffered as many losses.

>>35672361
Not sure how much of a Buddy he is if his idea of winning us over involves fighter pilot attitude and a story of how he killed our dad.

>>35672378
>Not even the A-10 has suffered as many losses.
Largely because it's not been shot as nearly as much.

They are both very good at what they do against dirt farmers in africa, but are shit for anything in the modern world.

>>35672378
That's probably because of pilot skill.

>>35672416
Well, considering the nature of all operators of the SU-25, that's a given.

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>>35671787
"Um, sure." You nod.

"Well, come on, then!" Lara hooks an arm around yours and basically physically drags you away.

"Have fun!" Samantha waves cheerfully.

"You don't have to drag me like this." You grumble.

"Sorry, sorry, it's just that we were waiting for a fourth pilot FOREVER. Now we've got a full flight!" Lara says happily.

"I thought Artemis had plenty of pilots." You say.

"Well, yeah, but not a lot are girls and the boss is apparently very insistent on keeping squadrons single sex or something."

"Wait, does this mean-"

"Yep! Artemis' very own all female squadron!" Lara chuckles. "Come on, I'll show you the others!"

With that, Lara brings you over a very nice looking barracks complex. It was actually hauntingly familiar, since it followed the standard Osean military barracks layout. Lara leads you inside to the rec room, where you see two other girls seated at a table.

"Hey! We got our fourth!" Lara says cheerfully, pulling you in with her. "How about we all get ourselves acquainted?"

"Ah, well," You blink, trembling a bit from mild stage fright. "I'm Karla Weiss. I guess I'll be flying with you all from now on."

"Wonderful!" One of the pilots, with long silky black hair smiles. She had the air of a noblewoman about her, or at least somebody who was exceedingly polite and tasteful. Looked to be Osean. "I'm Lilian Dupont!"

"Amy Gates!" The second pilot grins and salutes. "Nice to meet ya!"

"Hmmmm, a Belkan, huh? We certainly have a very colorful unit on our hands." Lilian smiles.

"You don't have any problem with that?" You raise an eyebrow. You've lived you whole life under Oseans giving you shit, even if they didn't mean to, so you believed were a bit justified in being a bit cautious toward her.

"Not unless you make it one." She says simply and curtly before taking a sip from a cup of what you presume is tea.

"Hmmmmmmmm." Amy glowers at you. "I'm holding my opinion on you."

(cont)

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>>35672514

"Are you Osean, too?" You ask.

"Ustian."

Oh. OH. This was going to be a bit awkward.

"I see." You say simply, not wanting to dig your grave any further.

Lilian seems to sense the souring atmosphere and claps her hands together to grab your attention.

"Ah, and I suppose you were given one of the starter planes, correct?"

>Yep. You got a lot of heaps of junk sitting around here.
>Have to admire the classics.
>Other

>>35672533
>>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>>Have to admire the classics.
All planes are good. Hell, Silber 1 used an F-4

>>35672533
>>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>>Have to admire the classics.

We totally asked for this. Honest.

>>35672293
That and the SU-25 doesn't have an Infared MAW system to detect MANPAD launches, while the A-10 does.

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>>35672533
>>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672533
>Have to admire the classics.
Unfortunately the only classic there was the Draken which we didn't pick.

>>35672533
>Have to admire the classics.

>>35672588
The F-4 is classic.

Or old I guess depending on how you look at it.

I like it because of the victory of thrust over aerodynamics.

>>35672565
So it's even worse than I believed. Holy shit.

>>35672629
I really do wish the old American Flying Brick theory would come back.

>>35672514
>Amy Gates

Is her dad named Greg?

>>35672646
Nah anon, America is only top tier shit these days!

Smooth and sexy all the way!

Not that we actually need it or anything but hay we gotta spend that money somehow!

>>35672646
The reasoning the F-22 was chosen over the F-23(RIP) was because it was more maneuverable and there was the possibility for a navy variant. The maneuverability was seen as important because stealth would lower engagement ranges to an extent nobody knew.

>>35672732
Moot point if there's no one with other stealth fighters for us to fight.

>>35672732
In retrospect, prolly a good choice to go with the 22 now that we're seeing actual testing done on lasers meant to intercept incoming A2A missiles.

>>35672732
Which is retarded seeing as they have done the exact opposite by ignoring the chance of a navy variant and going full BVR+Stealth on the thing.

Fucking idiots picked the raptor of the widow

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>>35672533
"Have the admire the classics." You say.

"Indeed." Lilian nods. "Which one did you pick?"

"The F-4." You say.

"Okay, I have to admit, you do have some taste in planes." Amy nods.

"What do you all pilot, then?" You ask.

"F-15C." Lara laughs.

"Typhoon." Lilians smiles.

"A-10." Amy replies.

>Interesting setup.
>I feel... oddly out of place.
>Other

>>35672784
>Interesting setup.
>I feel... oddly out of place.

>>35672784
>>Interesting setup.

>>35672784
>>Interesting setup.
>>I feel... oddly out of place.

>>35672784
>>Interesting setup.
>>I feel... oddly out of place.

>>35672784
>"A-10." Amy replies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZgrbcGM0

Waifu obtained

>>35672784
>>Interesting setup.
>>35672778
>Fucking idiots picked the raptor of the widow
It was actually a good choice. The F-22 is no slouch in BVR combat, and its stealth is by far the best. Further, in the only place where the F-22 is really in danger, the dogfight, it can outperform literally everything in the skies.

>>35672784
>"F-15C." Lara laughs.
Love.

>Interesting setup.
>I feel... oddly out of place.

>>35672588
Majority of the Tiger II, Draken and Fishbed variants had shit tier radars that couldn't use BVR missiles and didn't even have built in chaff/flare dispensers. They also had comparatively low range and payload to any of the Phantom combat variants. On the other hand the Phantom actually having a radar with range but shitty to no memory means you need 2 people to use it.

>>35672827
We're going to have to work hard to win her love anon! National differences and all that.

>>35672784
>Interesting setup.

Once we show results we can get newer shit.

>>35672828
They were equally good choices, why couldn't they pick both and tell the marines to go fuck themselves in the arse and can the JSF program?

>>35672354
you use three >'s for cross-board linking instead of 2, then the board and the post after that. The post you wanted would be
>>>/k/23307825

>>35672784
>Interesting setup
We've got 2 Air sup, a mud mover, and a multirole. that's a fine formation to have as a base.

>>35672784
>Interesting setup.

We need to start killing people for money soon.

>>35672863
The F-35 is looking like it'll be better than every other multi-role currently, and far better than the planes it is going to replace.

I was so hype for this and I know nobody cares what I wanted, but I just gotta say I'm kind of disappointed our entire squad is female. I like it in Idolrunner because they have to be girls, and it's not the female MC just the lack of any close male perspective. I'll just focus on the planes, it's still only early in thread 2 anyway I could be jumping the gun so I'll withhold judgement.

>>35672863
>tell the marines to go fuck themselves in the arse
They already do that.
>>35672778
Pretty sure it came down to the Navy having a next-gen fighter or more carriers and they wanted more carriers.

Okay so what kind of Special weapons should we have? I mean, we could always go for unguided bombs...

>>35672908
Merc prefers to right girls over guys and also wants to avoid husbando/waifu wars.

>>35672910
Depends on the mission and what Merc lets us have.

>>35672908
So much /u/ boating is about to happen, I'll do it for you anon. I'll do it for you, and do it for free.

>>35672910
UGBLs.

Berkut when?

>>35672948
>Right
write

>>35672891
Well sure, the plane will be better, but that is the only acceptable result when you spend more than the entire planet's quantity of currency on the fucking thing.

Fuck you LM, go be incompetant and corrupt elsewhere.

>>35672956
Never

Because /tg/ and by extension Karla generally like the F-22 better.

>>35672784
>I feel... oddly out of place.

>>35672972
Or maybe we somehow get our hands on an old ADFX-01 that's collecting dust at Grunder Industries.

>>35672784
"That's... an interesting setup." You say. The Typhoon and F-15C were basically top of the line fighters, with the A-10 being a very good dedicated ground attack craft. That left your F-4 somewhere in the middle. However, you did notice one thing odd.

"Wait, how come you get so much better plane than me?" You raise an eyebrow.

"Because you need to earn it, silly!" Lilian chuckles.

"That's right!" Lara nods. "They're not going to just hand over an expensive plane to a new recruit like you, right?"

"You have a point." You concede. "I suppose I have to prove my worth in missions?"

"That's right!" Lara nods. "Actually, you came just in the nick of time! We're shipping out to Estovakia soon, so you'll definitely be getting into the action!"

>Great. When do we start?
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.
>Other

>>35672965
But it isn't.

The current unit price(which doesn't matter) is $90 mil, which is cheaper than some of its less advanced competitors.
Further, its cost per flight hour isn't very high either.

Face it, the F-35 isn't that expensive. What WAS expensive was the program cost, but that is normal for modern military programs.

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35672995
>>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35672995
>>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.
Let's fly and pretend our computer is actually our co-pilot.

>>35672995
>Great. When do we start?

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35672995
>>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35673018
>implying our Dad's ghost won't be our co-pilot

>>35672995
>>Great. When do we start?
>>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.
One thing I am not getting however, is that we're not a fucking new recruit. We were in the war. I guess it's company policy and all (as well as quest ramping up power levels) but it seems kinda dumb to give someone a plane they could possibly get shot down in because of lesser performance than a better quality one you already have.

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

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>>35672910
Since we tried going for guns

>>35672995
>Great. When do we start?

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>>35673041
Unfortunately, this IS Castlevania, not the Army.

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35673051
Actually we're probably be forced to use only our guns against some ace someday, might as well go all guns.

>>35673041
Well I thought we were only really in one battle before the Burst missles took us out and left us in the hospital for the duration of the conflict.

>>35672998
If the cost of designing and building the plane, all the way up to where you finally start charging 90 mil for each one is astronomical, then the cost of each plane is astronomical, you cannot just treat alll that spending and debt and blown budgets as nonexistent the moment the first one rolls off the production lines.

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>>35673051

>>35672995
>>Great. When do we start?
>>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35672998
>the F-35 isn't that expensive. What WAS expensive was the program cost
>the plane wasn't expensive, but building the plane was expensive
...

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though
I guess this sort of setup has to do with the company's goals. These fighters act as escorts for the A-10 when it takes out heavily armored targets.

>>35673089
Needs more dakka.

>>35673081
>you cannot just treat all that spending and debt and blown budgets as nonexistent

But they can and they do. You can thank the petrol dollar.

>>35673076
that was one big battle we were in, there was the entire rest of the war we flew in outside of that battle before it

>>35673065
True, like I said.

>>35673076
I read it as we got sent to the hospital for awhile but then got back out to see a little more action because we did get assigned to another squadron.

>>35672948
I do understand the reasons, but then I realized it was the way the audience behaved that resulted in this and maybe I'm a bit bitter because I never was a shipper. And I try not to be on that uboat anti uboat shit, but you can't deny that a set up like this encourages lesbian waifuing, which is really has the same problems because "my waifu > your waifu".

But anyway it's set in by now and I'll just deal with it and not waste any more posts on muh feelings.

>>35672995
>I'd like to break in my Phantom first, though.

>>35673126
Don't worry, Anon. I'm sure we'll find some nice infantryman or tanker to husbando.

So I assume that "F-4" means "F-4E" in this quest. I don't exactly like the idea of not having an internal machine gun.

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>>35673111

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>>35673081
You have to realize ALL modern projects have extremely high costs. Further, the price is expected to be 80 mil, which really is not astronomical when you look at its competitors. Like seriously, look up the cost of the Eurofighter or Rafale.
>>35673102
The research for the plane is expensive. The more you build, the more you bring that cost down. That's the burden of developing new things, the programs are REALLY expensive, but the product is not.

>>35673164
Cannon.

And Navy F-4Js without cannons kicked the Army's ass.

>>35673172
>You have to realize ALL modern projects have extremely high costs
I'm well aware of that, but using that excuse to justify the stupidly high spending on the JSF program is retarded, you don't go spending trillions of dollars on every project, and you don't do that on something as relatively 'cheap' as a single seat airframe.

>>35672995
"I'd like to break in my Phantom first. Make sure it's working right." You say.

"Sure thing!" Lara nods. "I'll make a call to the ground crew to get it up and running."

"I'm still uncomfortable with being treated like a recruit, though." You sigh. "I DID have actual combat experience."

"Circum-Pacific, right?" Lilian asks.

"Yeah." You nod.

"Well, that war was five years ago. Company policy is to treat all new hires as recruits so we can get a proper gauge of your abilities." Lilian continues on.

"Isn't that unnecessarily dangerous?" You raise an eyebrow.

"Well, look at it this way." Amy sighs, resting her chin in her hands. "We're mercenaries, not soldiers. Everything we do is motivated by profit, not patriotism. Why risk a super expensive plane on an untested pilot when you can just shove them into a cheap one, instead?"

"I guess you have a point." You concede.

"Anyways, let's spice things up." Lara grins. "Who do you want your OPFOR to be? Me, Lilian, or one of the other pilots we got around here?"

>Lara
>Lilian
>Random Pilot
>Other

>>35673221
>>Lilian

>>35673221
>Random Pilot
Who could it be?

>>35673200
You do when it is the best multi-role in the skies. That's the price of excellence.

Program cost also gets divided by the amount made. Considering how there will be hundreds of the thing...

>>35673221
>>Lara

>>35673164
It's just been referred to as a modernized F-4.
>>35673221
>Lara

>>35673221
>Who ever feels like flying against me.
So I guess?
>Random Pilot

>>35673221
>>Lara

>>35673221
>Lilian

>>35673221
What ever we do load up with at least 15 20mm gun pods.

>>35673221
>Random Pilot

>>35673221
>Lilian
let's take on the typhoon

>>35673163
I was going to say husbandoing would have the same problems, but that may be simpler because since most of us are men we'd make that decision based on bro factor. And a character's bro level is very easy to determine, waifus are largely based on personal taste.

>>35673291
the 15 gunpod one was 7.62 miniguns, not vulcans, they could only fit 3 of those

>>35673221
So what do you think our modifier is for getting our shit kicked in?

Any ideas for paintjobs after we do something to distinguish ourselves?

>>35673338
Bright pink with stars

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>>35673314
shhhh I was trying to sneak it pass the radar.

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>>35673338
Whatever it is, we need shark teeth.

>>35673338
Flat gray with only two pieces of embellishment- our squad emblem and our company logo.

And under the cockpit, only "Valkyrie."

>>35673338
shark teeth with maybe a rose caught in them

>>35673367
>>35673338
Personally I like subtle better myself, so something like this.

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>>35673338

>>35673338
Well if we wanna be That Guy, do something that'll make the enemy's eyes wanna vomit just by looking at our garish color scheme.

>>35673367
I can dig that.

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>>35673386
So a Belkan flag? That'll end lovely.

Rolled 19 (1d100)

>>35673221
>Random Pilot

Mystery box

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>>35673367
I suggest painting the wings with angels wings along the length.

>>35673367
If we go with that, add small wings behind the cockpit at about mid back to give us wings.

>>35673442
>>35673446
You guys have excellent taste

>Phantom airframe against eagle
>winning without handicaps

How about

>Clean phantom
>25% internal fuel

>Eagle has 3 empty 600USG tanks
>full internal fuel

Start neutral WVR, guns only. Would still favour the eagle.

>>35673221
"An F-4 going straight up against an F-15C or Typhoon? I think we all know how that would end." You grimace. "I think I'd take my chances with another pilot."

"Party pooper." Lara pouts.

"Oh, don't mind her." Lilian chuckles. "Lara is always looking for an excuse to fly."

"It'd be funny if you ended up going up against one of those Alpha Flight guys. They'd definitely tear you a new one." Amy says.

Yeah, thanks a lot for that bit of encouragement.

"Anyways, I'll go see which of the trainers are on duty." Lara sighs.

>roll 1d20

>>35673442
>>35673446
Yes Yes Yes

Valkyrie theme go

>>35673465
>>35673446
>>35673442
>>35673367
I must agree.

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>35673500

>>35673446
That's a really good design. If we really wanna push it, paint a valkyrie itself from the neck down just below the cockpit, so our helmeted head is the valkyrie's head.

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>35673500

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>35673500

Rolled 6 (1d20)

>>35673500

Rolled 3 (1d20)

>>35673513
>>35673521
>>35673528
well looks like we're getting pasted by Alpha...

Rolled 6, 4, 10, 13, 2, 18, 8, 5, 11, 19, 14, 12, 15, 3, 9, 15, 14, 5, 13, 15, 16, 4, 13, 16, 14 = 274 (25d20)

is the RNG bad?

Rolled 15 (1d20)

>>35673548
yes

Rolled 10 (1d20)

>>35673500
guh

>>35673548
just luck. You rolled 9 single-digits and close to 16 double-digits

>>35673548
It's certainly random

>>35673521
At least we're not in an F-117

>>35672950
He managed to avoid that in Magical Girl Hunter so there is hope

Rolled 5 (1d20)

>>35673613
We would be better off with stealth than in a glorified missile truck

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>>35673500
"Oh boy." Lara's face is a mixture of both horror and amusement as she hangs up the phone. "It looks like it's Wolf's turn to traumatize nuggets."

"Hoooooo boy, you're fucked." Amy snickers. "He's gonna eat you alive."

"This certainly is an unfortunate turn of events." Lilian sighs.

>Ask who this Wolf guy is.
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.
>Other

>>35673638
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.
Cue GUNPODS

>>35673638
>Ask who this Wolf guy is.

>>35673638
>>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.
Lets see what he's made of instead of the talk.

>>35673638
>Ask who this Wolf guy is
Any of you Ace Combat freaks recognize that symbol?

>>35673638
>>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.


Can't be worse than that fucking burst missile.

>>35673638
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.

>"He's gonna eat you alive."
Seems like some advanced aircraft and ace. Since we're in a freaking F-4, might as well try to go for guns. We're NOT going to win a missile fight.
>>35673638
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.

>>35673638
>>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.

>>35673638
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.

>>35673667
reverse google search suggests that the insignia is from a guy in gundam AGE

>>35673638
>Ask who this Wolf guy is.
He can't be THAT bad right?
inb4 he's Artemis' top pilot

>>35673667
No, most of the enemy aces go down pretty fast so I never bothered to remember their insignia.

>>35673681
>F-4
>winning a gunfight
You ALWAYS go for missiles first. ALWAYS. Even if you don't hit, you force them on the defensive.

>>35673681
Agreed, you can dodge a missile, but it's hard to dodge a bullet.

>>35673638
>Head for the hangar. You'll find out in the air.
I believe we have been issued a challenge. Belkan pride demands us to meet head on!

>>35673696
Keep in mind that he probably has a better plane than us (no shit we're in a F-4) and in Artemis that means ace.
>>35673708
Then no active or semi radar. Go infrared. We can use both.

It seems y'all don't know dogfights work. It's time to watch somethignhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFMX5z-ed4

>>35673708
That only works when you're not going against a top tier craft with a master of none like the Phantom

>>35673738
And it seems we're going to have to shut off radar too. Emissions may alert him.

>>35673740
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFMX5z-ed4
>>35673742
No, it doesn't. A missile will kill someone dead whatever they're in. They're also far more maneuverable than the F-4.

Here, just watch this for a primer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgLLBsmFrkI

>>35673638
>Ask who this Wolf guy is.
What's his combat experience record and what does he usually fly?

>>35673758
And F-22 which he probably is in invalidates you. we don't have advanced helmet targeting either. Nevermind ever getting a lock.

>>35673795
We rolled a 5 not a 1, doubt it's a 5th gen plane we're going up against.

>>35673795
If he's in an F-22, we're screwed no matter what. You can't get a lock on it, you can't outmaneuver it to get it in your sights. You can't even detect it. You are helpless.

Shit like this happens
http://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/

>>35673750
Guess how you know when to fire your guns?

Fire control radar

>>35673750
His radar will find us anyways, we wouldn't even be able to detect it.

>>35673840
The best thing to do then is to survive as long as possible. There's something impressive in just surviving.

>>35673848
At least we have experience with guns. That's a plus already. Guns are less dependent on radar then radar guided missiles. And I seriously doubt we'll get top-of-the line infrared missiles either.

>>35673862
Not necessarily, all we need to do is stay near the ground, and hope to eyeball him before he does.

I like how we're doing this.

We're professional, know what's likely to happen to us and we're mostly taking it in stride as the knocks we have to take to get somewhere better.

Good job /tg/, another MC I can get behind.

>>35673838
If its not a gen 5 plane, it's something just as bad, like a Terminator, Berkut, or S/MTD.
We're still screwed, because those planes are miles ahead of our Phantom

>>35673865
Kinda have to agree. We are screwed no matter what. Surviving top of the line aircraft has to be a feat in of itself while piloting an F-4.

>>35673923
We aren't going to survive for any appreciable amount of time.

>>35673934
Unless he can missile us 50 ft above the ground, we may be able to survive some. At that level, terrain would be a factor. Cross your fingers we have mountains.

What if this pilot uses a heavily modified last gen aircraft?

>>35673964
He can.
>>35673974
We have a better chance. Assuming we've got a pimped out F-4, we have a decent chance of winning.

>>35673974
Then there is no difference compared to our totally obsolete aircraft. It's like comparing land lines to the iPhone 5s or iPhone 6.

>>35673964
Oured has no appreciable mountains nearby and I think they'd probably frown upon us trying to fly around the city.

>>35673974
Still dead, because he has WAY more experience than us, and he's using a plane he's practically bonded with, while we're using a plane we've never flown before.

>>35673998
well shit. It's going to be a test of low-level flying skills and eyeballs.

>>35673974
He probably is, I'd guess a Rafale or a Flanker.
>>35673997
The pastebin list it as a 'F-4 Super Phantom' and last thread said the plane was modernized.

>>35674020
Make sure guys, the lower we go, the more the ground will cover us. and if we go low enough and close enough to him he's going to have to be under us to gun us.

>>35674029
If the upgrades are anything worth mentioning, it'll be worth an F-16 already.

>MFW when I realize this tactic gave us Ronald Dahl books.

>>35674061
Either we risk a low level turning fight (the phantom is crap for this so we have at most 1 turn before we go back to low level cat and mouse and try again) or we use up all the time

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>>35673638
You briefly wonder if you should ask what this Wolf guy is like, but you decide against it. True aces gauged each other in the only place it mattered: in the sky.

"Whoever he is, I'll find out for myself." You say as you make your way to the hangar.

"Should we get the others?" Lilian asks.

"At the very least, it's going to an interesting show." Amy shrugs.

"Hey hey hey, you shouldn't treat an aerial battle, even a mock one, as a gambling pool!" Lara sighs.

"Five bucks she doesn't even last thirty seconds." Amy slaps a bill on the floor.

"You're on." Lilian responds.

You ignore them and head off to the hangar, where your Phantom is sitting. Of course, being a newly allocated fighter, it was still painted a dull navy grab with no identifying marks. Very plain.

"Already figuring out how to paint it, right?" You hear a gruff voice.

"Um, maybe." You say, not wanting to admit it. "Excuse me, but are you-"

"I'm Bravo Flight's chief mechanic, which means I'm the guy taking care of your birds." Says a short, elderly man with a wrinkled face that resembled tanned leather. "You can call me Smokey."

"Okay... Smokey." You nod awkwardly. "So when can I get my plane repainted?"

"When you get ace!" Smokey grins. "Kills before joining up with us don't count, so you're gonna have to start from the bottom!"

Wonderful.

"All right, so is the plane ready to fly?" You ask.

"Just gotta hop in the cockpit and drive it out!" Smokey nods. "She's already loaded up to bear. Training rounds and missiles."

"UGMs, I assume?"

"Of course!"

(cont)

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>>35674129
UGMs, or Universal Strike Munitions, were the standard armament on any warplane. Small, light, and cheap, these missiles could engage both air and ground targets, making them extremely versatile. Their only drawback was that they didn't pack all that much punch compared to larger missiles, had a very short effective range, and their tracking systems weren't all that great. However, planes could carry ungodly numbers of them, which was why they were commonly preferred.

"All right, I'll be heading out, then." You say, slipping into a flight suit and donning a blank white flight helmet.

"Good luck! Don't die too fast! I got money running that you'll last longer than 40 seconds!" Smokey waves.

Ugh.

You drop into your Phantom's cockpit, going through the standard startup checklist. Satisfied that everything appeared to be in working order, you taxi out to the runway, where you see another aircraft idling.

It was a white F-22 with a bright red wolf's head painted on the side.

Well, now you know why everybody wasn't expecting you to win this.

"Alpha One, Bravo Four, you are both cleared for takeoff." The flight controller announces.

>Try to raise Wolf on the radio.
>Just take off and get this started.
>Other

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.
Ah hell.

>>35674149
>>Just take off and get this started.

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.
Just lie back and think of Belka

>>35674149
>F-22 I FREAKING KNEW IT
>DIVE DIVE DIVE

>>35674149
>>Just take off and get this started.
>F-22
Aw fuck

At least it wasn't that Crenshaw guy.

>>35674149
>>Just take off and get this started.
Okay guys, try to survive as long as possible

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.
This is gonna hurt.

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.
Whatever we know this isn't going to end well. Might as well get it over with.

>>35674149
>Bet your life savings that you last longer than 40s.
>go 2 inches above the treetops

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.

Well shit, still play to win guys.

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.

>>35674149
>Just take off and get this started.

Congrats on the 200 followers, Merc!

>>35674149
>"Alpha One
we're up against Alpha flight's lead and we only rolled a 5...

what the fuck

>>35674292
A 1 probably means going against Klein One

>>35674292
We probably would have been against the boss.

>>35674292
The pastebin rules are pretty screwed. Maybe it's like GBF quest were if all 3 are under a number it's a critical fail?

>>35674292
Who the fuck do we face if we roll a one? Our boss? The Demon Lord himself?

>>35674343
Our dad

>>35674333
No idea what's up with the rules

>>35674333
The pastebin looks fine to me. We have a 1d10 roll under system, we roll under a characteristic rank on the d10 and its a success

>>35674389
Is that only for fights? Because we rolled 1d20s and no rules for crits.

>>35674407
Rules for 1d20 is probably the same as normal.

>>35674417
Which is?

>>35674407
The d10's just for fights. Did any of you guys even read the pastebin, or just skim over it?

>>35674389
The pastebin rules look have decent for actual combat.

But having a 10 override a 1 is retarded, a crit fail shouldn't override a crit success, especially on such a narrow spectrum as a single d10

It pretty much guarantees that we will do nothing but crit fail and we cannot possibly avoid a crit fail unless we roll two 1's every set of dice.

The rules would be actually usable if not for that crit fail shit.

>>35674431
>Doesn't know how a normal d20 roll works
You must be new here

>>35674445
A 10 does not override a 1, it just cancels the highest roll. Tht's not that bad.

>>35674451
well seeing as Merc uses a different variation and ruleset for each quest using D20's he has its hard to figure out what the rules are in a new quest when he's said nothing about them

>>35674149
"This is Bravo Four, taking off." You announce.

"Alpha One, taking off." You hear Wolf announce as well. He sounded... pretty damn young. Younger than you expected, really.

Both of your warbirds' engines roar as they push for takeoff speed. You take a glance to the F-22 at your side, but you can't see anything through that mirrored cockpit canopy. However, you're pretty sure he can get good look at you through your older clear canopy. You wonder if he was scrutinizing you, or just plain ignoring you. Eventually, both of your planes lift off from the runway and climb in the air as fast as possible. Sure, the F-22 was better than the F-4 in pretty much every way, but the Phantom was no slouch when it came to pure thrust.

(cont)

>>35674461
>it just cancels the highest roll
Which would be a 1

So a 10 overrides a 1.

...

>>35674451
>doesn't know how Merc used d20s
You must never been here

>>35674482
"Alpha One, Bravo Four, this is Loki. I'll be your mission controller for this battle." You hear an unnaturally smooth and confident voice speak through your radio. "We'll be following rules for a standard training engagement. Both planes are only armed with cannons and basic missiles. The battle will be kept WVR, and will be concluded once one aircraft scores a positive kill on the other. If you feel something is wrong, you may disengage at any time. Is that clear?"

"Alpha One, copy."

"Bravo Four, copy."

"Alpha One, you'll head west while Bravo Four heads east. You will turn and engage on my mark."

"Good luck, nugget." You hear Wolf say, and you could tell it was not for your benefit, as his voice was dripping with a mix of mild condescension and self-confidence. Mostly the latter. Man, if you could shoot this guy down, it would make you feel very, VERY good.

"Good luck to you too." You reply curtly and your eyes dart around trying to figure out what to do. You can try flying high, that way you had room to dive in case Wolf tried to jump you. Plus, there was plenty of cloud cover to at least visually mask you.

Or, you could stay low, where his radar wouldn't be as effective, and he'd be forced to engage you low and slow, negating most of his plane's advantages. But, that left you extremely vulnerable to a diving attack.

>Go high.
>Go low.
>Other

>>35674461
>Natural 10s will negate your best roll, even if it is a Natural 1.
You're fucking retarded, just like these rules.

Merc get rid of your retarded crit shit.

>>35674500
>>Go low.
inb4 we fail this because of stupid crit fail heavy rules

>>35674500
>Go low.

>>35674503
>>35674484
It does not override it, that would imply that it takes the lead. This isn't hard to understand. It also is good, because critfails are never fun.

>>35674484
>>35674503
You fuckers must never been in VMQ. Fuck off already. Rules work fine. Stop being little bitches.

>>35674500
>Go low.

>>35674500
>Go low.
Our only hope of lasting.
>>35674484
Which leaves us with the next-lowest roll, which can still save us

>>35674500
>>Go low.

>>35674500
>Go low

>>35674503
As I've said up front, rules are subject to change if they end up being too broken or unfair. Perhaps you should wait until actual combat rolling starts.

>>35674519
These aren't crit fail heavy. How hard is this to understand.

If you roll a 10, your highest roll is gone. Only if you roll 2 of them is this a critfail.

>>35674499
>Doesn't know Merc uses d20s normally all the time
The Pot call the kettle Black

>>35674500
>>Go high
Isn't most dogfights having the higher altitude is better?

>>35674500
>basic missiles
What does this mean? Active, Semi-, or infrared???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-to-air_missile

It's like saying you have a Zaku. But is it I, II,or III?


>>35674581
And you haven't been to GBF quest

>>35674500
>Go high.

>>35674595
GBF was the exception. Have you read any other Merc quests?

>>35674581
>uses d20s normally
That implies there is a set standard, which there is not, and even then Merc changes how he uses D20's plenty of times between quests.

>>35674500
>Go low.

>>35674595
Basic missiles work exactly like the ones you see in AC. They're fire and forget, but generally do better with an actual radar guiding them.

>>35674595
>What does this mean? Active, Semi-, or infrared???
Jesus Christ anon, read Merc's posts, he already did an IC info dump about UGM's

>>35674595
The only rules changed there were in regards to crits, higher was still better than lower, as it's been in literally every one of Merc's quests that used d20s.

>>35674612
>>35674581
>all the time
Have you read your own words?

>>35674629
Gah. That makes it more unknown. I haven't been playing much AC now, can somebody tell me how the hell they are guided? I'll assume IR, since AC is in-close. But generally being closer to the ground makes missiles less effective, so
>Go low.

>>35674638
That told me as much as saying SUVs move.

>>35674668
If you don't know the English language, that's not my fault.

Let me throw you guys an example of how I think this'll work:

Karla has a GUN skill of 7 and she has to roll under it to hit someone with a d10, lowest of 3.

We roll a 2,8,9. We take the 2, we pass.
We roll a 1,10,5. The 10 cancels out the 1 and we take the 5, we pass.
We roll 2,8,10. The 10 cancels out the 2, we take the 8, we fail.

>>35674738
>being closer to the ground makes missiles less effective
Only works for surface to air missiles. In aerial engagements you damn near always want the height advantage, because you can trade it for airspeed or bleed it through aggressive maneuvers without fear of crashing into the ground.

>>35674500
>Go high.