first for BOLO

>>35601788
OP, just do your thing and not have us have 2 hours of more shitflinging 'discussion' and samefag voting.

>>35601776
I think local government is essential at the town/county level at least. When you have a voice in a local community, your voice is louder. It lets you deal with things that directly effect your immediate community, and frankly the planetary governor should not concern himself on whether and how a specific street in Bumfuckistan village is repaired. Thats for matters of a local government/community to decide.

>>35601822
Then a vote limit of 5 min, with just "1 or "2". Or strawpoll, with 5min voting. There's been enough discussion and it's all been a mess. We're not going to come to a consensus. Ideally OP would work out something that will satisfy everyone and not piss off everyone else because one 'extreme' form of govt gets chosen by a slight majority.

>>35601788
>Time to do Government Work
Truly, this is the trail of tears for this quest.

Well, let's see what they want.

For the record, my last suggestion is:

Federal
1) Advisory Council by Locality
2) +1 Rep for Kzin and our other alien friends, nonvoting if need be
3) Elections every 4 years, by Local.
4) Public "Question Time" Petition, must be answered during next regularly schedule Question Time if petition is x% of population (1-5 suggested)

Local
1) Area must have acceptable 'Constitution' approved by Governer
2) Governer appoints head of state, from choice given by Local Council
3) Local Council by At Large, however many they decide (could be 1/1, could be 1/1000)

>>35601878
>Ideally OP would work out something that will satisfy everyone and not piss off everyone else because one 'extreme' form of govt gets chosen by a slight majority.
Oh, so the ACTUAL definition of politics?

Might be doable if we keep it fairly abstract.

>>35601788
>Time to do Government Work.
I'll re some of my thoughts here then:

>Here's my simple answer for a bare bone's layout of government at the moment:
>Governor with final say in anything.
>Start making in-roads toward getting the people working together more, and create a process for ideas to be submitted to the Governor.
>And we try to respect their wants and needs.
>Benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government. We can make enough framework to make into a democracy later on, if we want to.
>Basically though, I want to give the people of Tempest the feeling that their will WILL be listened to, and help them build a framework of talking to each other and hammering out suggestions that could be grown into something more when Tempest isn't just a simple colony.
>The people shall be the players and we shall be the QM of Tempest

>>35600932
>>>35600825
>Right, I'm saying we should do that thing and set up a process for the people to communicate the need and wants of the people to us.
>I'f we could set up the equivalent of a electronic message board for them to argue and try to reach consensus on, and have the results sent to us, that could be great.
>Then we look at their suggestion, maybe clarify some things back to them, or simply tweak the idea to fit better, and implement what we can.

>>35601220
>>>35601102
>If that is what they choose to agree on, that's fine.
>I'm advocating the structure between us and them for colony-wide laws and issues to be what i suggested, if they want to operate autonomously without the need for us to get involved, that's fine.


Basically, we have final say and take suggestions for colony-wide issues, and leave the rest up to them for the most part. Which also, thankfully, takes deciding the smaller stuff out of the players' hands, and we can move on.

>>35601606
>Semi-autonomy implies there's at least two layers minimum.
Your use of the word layer is telling. Layers are not in any way autonomous, not even semi. The bottom rungs are 100% reponsible to obeying every single law of the top rungs. Furthermore, there is no self determination in determination the structure of local government since you had it all figured out to the T.

Please read the definition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semiautonomous
>partially self-governing, especially with reference to internal affairs.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/semiautonomous
>(Of a country, state, or community) having a degree of, but not complete, self-government:
>community

You proposed a system wherein we design and implement a multi layered federal system where we designed every step of the ladder.

A situation where the kzin or the cthal have to answer to SOME but not ALL planetary laws but otherwise form their own government however they want to, is an example of semi autonomy.

IRL example of the legal exemptions is how hong kong is EXEMPT from many communist laws of china, because its "semi autonomous".
IRL example of the self determination of local government structure is how native american reservations in the USA form their own tribal government in whatever way they deem appropriate
Or how hamish or kibutzes have their own internal governing structures that have not been dictated to them from above.
Those are modern examples, you can find more in history.

You're using the same Grand Hall you used to welcome the Free Traders for this event, with noticeably less harried catering staff serving drinks and food to a generally more reserved crowd.

There are a number of Free Traders still milling around outside the hall, mostly those who have ships unloading cargo to your surface. Several mention that they want to talk to you after your meeting.

Inside, you see an oddly divided room. One one side, there are a large number of primarily American-Ethnic men, with a handful of women, in suits that have noticeable quality without being ostentatious. All wear sidearms. On the other side of the hall is a diverse crowd of young men and women, many Gene-Mods, and many of those obviously of rather physical previous employment, and a handful of Bio-Androids and uplifted dogs. Conversation is low, but generally sounds amenable.

As you enter, Dales Walton, evidently a senior member of the New Sons of Liberty, calls for quiet. You nod to him before you speak:

"Thank you. We are here to discuss the future of Tempest and its people, and how best to lay the foundation for a good world."

"Many Colonies languish under petty despots and fall either into constant civil war or become corrupt backwaters, crushed by poverty and oppression. It is my goal to see Tempest set an example for the new Sector that will one day grow up around it, and perhaps spread its sons and daughters to the near stars and become a multi-system power in its own right. That begins, or ends, here, in this room."

"Now, let us begin."

>Ask Jeffersonians about Governmental preferences
>Ask Neo-Tokyo Exiles about Governmental preferences
>Other

>>35602058
This
>Ask Neo-Tokyo Exiles about Governmental preferences
then
>Ask Jeffersonians about Governmental preferences

>>35602058
>Ask Jeffersonians about Governmental preferences
>Ask Neo-Tokyo Exiles about Governmental preferences

Both. Although that segregation worries me.

>>35601776
I think local government is essential at the town/county level at least. When you have a voice in a local community, your voice is louder. It lets you deal with things that directly effect your immediate community, and frankly the planetary governor should not concern himself on whether and how a specific street in Bumfuckistan village is repaired. Thats for matters of a local government/community to decide

>>35601913
Things are not black and white. Hong Kong is semi-autonomous. They're (supposed to be able) to elect their own people, and manage their own affairs. But the PRC is still the higher level of government. Partial is the keyword in 'partial self governing'

>Furthermore, there is no self determination in determination the structure of local government since you had it all figured out to the T.

Hardly. It's just saying there would be lower levels of government, which you're vehemently against for making it a "tangled mess of bureaucracy". Just that there would be counties & province level democratically elected governments. That's very vague and not figuring it all "out to the T". You're making extreme statements out of what I'm proposing.

Why did you single out community? What about country or state? How does that makes my definition wrong?

>A situation where the kzin or the cthal have to answer to SOME but not ALL planetary laws but otherwise form their own government however they want to, is an example of semi autonomy.

The Cthall are sovereign. The Kzin want to integrate into the general society, or they would have asked for semi-autonomy or sovereignty.

>IRL example of the legal exemptions is how hong kong is EXEMPT from many communist laws of china, because its "semi autonomous".

Like I said, the planetary government would only make laws for things that occur outside of state borders. Such as things that go between states or off the planet. There would be nothing we'd make exemptions for when we would apply nothing to the states.

>>35602058
>Ask Neo-Tokyo Exiles about Governmental preferences
We already know what the Jeffersonians want in general terms. Let's get to the unknowns.

>>35602058
I'm assuming if we get both sides together they will either just get into a massive argument or shoot each other so here's what
>Other
get respected reps from both sides to the table and try to hash out some kind of middle ground.

>>35602058
Don't fuel the segregation.
Ask the room in general for suggestions.
When someone starts speaking let people from both groups cut in on it. ideally blooming into full scale open debate

>>35602058
>Ask Jeffersonians about Governmental preferences
>Ask Neo-Tokyo Exiles about Governmental preferences

>>35602094
They should both have semi-autonomy IMO. So they won't have to compromise outside of things that deal with us, the Planetary Governor

>>35602091
Do we? Do we really? We may be making assumptions.

>>35602107
Why not, instead of saying semi-autonomy, say "Local control over local affairs"?

>>35602091
>We already know what the Jeffersonians want in general terms
we THINK we do.
our knowledge of them is equal to the knowledge of the neo tokyo exiles.

>Neo-Tokyo Exiles first

>>35602104
>full scale open debate
Complete anarchy where it's difficult to determine who is responding to what.

How about you shut the fuck up right now.

That's an example of what would happen if we went with your suggestion.

>>35602107
Neo-Tokyo refugees seem more individualistic compared to the Jeffersonians. I would rather just get them spread out within our population and look after them till they adapt properly by job offers and such. They aren't enthusiastic enough for semi-autonomy to work properly.

>>35602058
>>Other
"Ultimately, I want to see you all working together, living and learning together.
We cannot have a divide like this-"
Gesture to the obvious divide in the room.
"And i would like to hear from all of you, what thoughts you have for a format that does not divide the people of this world."

>>35602058
other, flip coin

>>35602104
Agree in concept, except for the cutting in. Interruptions don't fuel open debate.

>>35602164
Seems good, but make it clear that we ONLY want to hear suggestions that don't create divides.

>>35602138
Dang, too slow.

>>35602159
I disagree and agree. I think they're more diverse, and have a larger number of subcultures. Most importantly, they're the most diverse politically. Though I would say both the Neo-Japanese & Neo-Americans are both anti-megacorp. I don't think we should disperse them since the Neo-Tokyo people still share a common heritage and they may feel alienated that way.

First to speak is a young man in a cheap suit with what appears to be scars from a crude brand on his neck, and a young woman, an obvious Gene-Mod, in a conservative business blouse.

"We've been selected the main representatives for this delegations, given that we're the only ones with public speaking experience. My name Daisuke, and this is Masumi. We don't really have a government structure in mind, given a lack of experience with any but that of our homeworld and no access to political texts until now, just that whatever it is must equally respect the rights of all its citizens, and never separate demographics in the name of public safety or the greater good. It would also be preferable if the end result were not privatized, because we all have experience with how such a system can turn to tyranny, if it is not born such." He idly touches the scar on his neck, almost without realizing he's doing it.

>CONT

>>35602159
I think it was just the Yakuza who were having trouble adapting to Tempest.

The rest of 'em are adapating 'rather well', I think. Plus one of the Waltons was chatting up one of the biomorphs from I presume Neo Tokyo.

>>35602159
>I would rather just get them spread out within our population
That's just saying that you want any culture or social structure they have to be replaced with those of the Jeffersonians.

I don't think you realize just how much hate that would generate.

>>35602219
We are talking about roughly 49% of the population here. They wouldn't be alienated just less concentrated thus changing internal strife problems from massive local fights to small dome wars. Which would be easier to manage as a planetary governor.
>>35602280
You still must remember that most of the refugees were mutated humans and others. They still need time to truly adapt and find this place home compared to the Jeffersonian who already are at home.

>>35602308
segregation what?

>>35602262

Some of the Political types in the back seem to bite back angry outbursts, likely because they, individually have government structure in mind.

Next up is Dales Walton, who you have previously met.

"It is the general wish of the New Sons of Liberty and those affiliated individuals who accompany us today, to attempt the creation of a solid foundation for a future Federal Republic. There is considerable debate on specifics beyond this point, but this is the core of what we seek: A free world, for everyone, that will someday grow into a mighty nation."

That's fairly straightforward so far. Time to muddy the waters by getting to those unfortunate specifics:

>Discuss Local Government
>Discuss State/Territory/Provincial government
>Discuss Planetary Government (Below you)
>Other

>>35602319
>>Discuss Planetary Government (Below you)
lets hit up the big shit first, the little shit will come in during the discussion.

>>35602308
Still "Neo Tokyo" in culture, and the other subcultures of Neo Tokyo are part of their warp and weave. You don't just tear that out.

What you are suggesting is that they become like the Jeffersonians, and they will not like that. We don't want that, either. We want both to succump to Tempestations.

>>35602319
This:
>>35602336

>>35602319
>Discuss Planetary Government (Below you)
This is where we have full control, because it has the weight of Commonwealth Law.

>>35602319
>>Discuss Planetary Government (Below you)
I agree with >>35602336 on this. This is the big important one.

We're already pretty much all willing to accede to their suggestions on devolved powers, anyhow.

...they want a Federal Republic with even more layers than I was suggesting. FUN!

>>35602319
in principle, i agree with both views. Who are not mutually exclusive.
The devil is in the details.

I should point out that as per our existing contracts with AAA and the commonwealth's laws, we are not allowed a representative government until we have paid off our initial debt.

So we must come up with 2 systems, one for now. And one to come into effect at the moment our debt is repaid.

>>35602337
That is why they shouldn't be too concentrated in an area. That would only lead to a solidification of their existing culture especially of the Neo-Tokyo refugees. The Jeffersonians will turn into Tempestations with time as we are providing them a new chance and new life. However the Neo-Toykos were driven off and still desire to retain their roots.

>>35602383
>I should point out that as per our existing contracts with AAA and the commonwealth's laws, we are not allowed a representative government until we have paid off our initial debt.

Source. There's nothing saying there can't be a democracy below us.

>>35602385
>However the Neo-Toykos were driven off and still desire to retain their roots.

What evidence do you have of that, sans the Yakuza we just slagged last thread?

>>35602383
>a true representative government
fixed

>>35602319
We must build more bolos.

Also we need to begin a diplomatic channel with the star league guys with the human-melcorian alliance with that Bolo high chancellor.

>>35602393
"The representatives have no power. They are advisers only. It is actually outlawed under your Commonwealth Charter to switch to a Democracy or Republic before your debt has been half paid off, which will take roughly 30 years."

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/35400267/

>>35602393
>A dictator who rules a democracy is a representative government
No it isn't

>>35602413
So around 120 years for us because we bought those thermal bombs.

>>35602410
We're not actually in the Boloverse, the government is the Confederacy, not the Concordat of Man, and I don't know if Melconians exist here.

>>35602385
those that want to spread out can, those that want to preserve their culture, can.
same for the jeffersonians.
Also, consider they don't speak the same language.

>>35602385
So you're automatically marking the Jeffersonians as the default Tempest population.
That is incredibly biased and shows favoritism towards them, even though they on are half of the population.

>>35602413
There's nothing saying we can't have a democratic govt at lower levels of govt., which megacorps would have no concern for.

>>35602422
>So around 120 years for us because we bought those thermal bombs.
our debt is 85 years and it needs to be 50% paid off, so 42.5 years
It can be done SOONER if we overpay.
It can't be done later because if we underpay we get repossessed.

>>35602427
You sure?

OP says Bolo former commander.

Oh well my bad if it isn't though.

>>35602414
That's....what I'm saying? I'm saying it wouldn't effect us if we had a democracy below the planetary govt

>>35602438
You are assuming >>35602383 doesn't know it.
Of course he does. A democracy means that you elect the people at the top. not that you elect local officials with no real power.

>>35602452
Yes, we're very fucking sure.
Is this the first thread that you've participated in?
I suggest you read the archives first before making any votes with incorrect preconceptions.

>>35602452
Read the earlier threads, anon. Kzin and Bandersnatchi are Known Space (niven), Cobras are from Timothy Zahn, etc. We're in a Custom Patische.

>>35602452
>OP says Bolo former commander.
this is a custom verse into which the QM has imported certain things he liked from other settings.
QM stated he imported the idea of bolos
there are also space marines which are almost 40k like (only stripped of 40k specific setting lore, no primarches and demons and warp)
and the rach are from http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/

DURP.
Forgot to select auto-update for the new thread. No wonder it was so quiet.

>>35602512
I thought they were generic SPIDER/INSECT ALIENS, similar to the Bugs from Starfire.

>>35602431
They pretty much would become the default anyway as most of the Neo-Toykos are genetically altered indentures and cyborgs so until we fix that issue until our bio-tech. Not also that but also they are more familiar with technology. Thus having them spread out will help our colony growth.

>>35602512
I thought he was using the Starcraft marines.

>>35602532
There might be a mix of different bug aliens, but the elder brain bug description was verbatim from that movie. including the mouth spike and eating the brains of humans to steal their memories and the appearance.

incidentally, the book starship troopers is really good and has NOTHING to do with the movie. It was like will smith I, Robot vs Asimov's

>>35602319
>>Discuss Local Government
>>Discuss State/Territory/Provincial government
Suggestion at this level is largely in terms of collectively decided groups that wish to work out their own local issues, size dependent on how many agree to it and the area they cover.

Planetary is effectively you all some up with suggestions, agree on them as best you can, and those with enough support get my attention.
Everyone gets an equal vote.

>>35602560
he said they are giant genetically modified super soldiers
starcraft marines are regular humans in a huge power armor.

>>35602560
Isn't that what he said, 40K Space Marines with the cruft taken away? *trollface*

>>35602570
Ah. Missed that. And yeah, the book was far less jingoistic than the movie.

Pretty sure those are just mixes of various settings rather then a specific setting.
Marines probably have some SC, some 40k, some other... all come together
etc

>>35602394
Because compared to the Jeffersonians who were given the choice to come here. The Neo-Toyko's were rounded up and sent here. I would definitely assume they still have lingering feelings for their home as they didn't even have the illusion of a choice to come here.

>>35602336
>>35602360
>>35602357

One of the Jeffersonians speaks first, one of the few overweight men, and one of about half the group bearing no insignia of prior military service "Since we cannot exist officially under any rule save that of an effective Dictatorship, this point is somewhat moot. So long as the Governor here actually abides by the Commonwealth Colonial Code, we should have few problems until our debt to AAA is repaid."

"And what then?" Demands an older Neo-Tokyo man, "Do we fall into Chaos unprepared when that day comes? Better to have a system in place to transfer to, which we change to gradually, than trying to come up with a framework out of the blue."

The debate that sparks from this is long and wearisome, with everything from total Anarchy (Advocated by several Neo-Tokyo political dissenters) to a system of small, independent Cantons bound together for a united diplomatic and military front against outsiders, and may variations of Republic, with most of the Neo-Tokyo contingent seeming lost. Disturbingly, the idea of splitting Tempest into two distinct "Zones" or otherwise segregating it comes up repeatedly. You are about to step in, when one of Dales comrades dies it for you, the tall, weathered man bearing the Indent-Tattoo of the Commonwealth Army filling the hall with a booming voice:

"Friends, we may debate until the cows come home, and it will be a very long time indeed until the Terraformers have Atmosphere and forage for cattle, but the fact remains that this is not our decision to make"

>CONT

>Terrible sorry if that idea has already been floating around. I just caught up and this what I thought up for this discussion.

>1 Using the Hab-domes to form districts.
If there we do use any democratic processes at this scale, then we should prevent Gerrymandering by having each Dome form one district. These districts would also include mixes of different cultures.
>2 Trying out different local governments at the same time / Giving local semi-autonomy
Now that we have these districts, what is to stop us from having them govern themselves? They will still have to follow the fundamental laws that everyone has to follow, but they can add pretty much whatever laws they see fit.

We can try different starting governments in these domes. This way we don't have to decide on a single local form of government.

>3 planetary government
Just use the Planetary Governor as the decision maker with Ministers who act as advisors and to whom we can delegate certain processes. If we don't like what they do, we can order a different course of action, but it would still be an important position that can shape global decisions.

>>35602615
I think you're full of it, really. These people also had ZERO loyalty to their old home.

Further, dispersing them effectively kills their representation and marginalizes them. It'll cause a lot more resentment doing that.

>>35602554
The bio-androids and cyborgs already had most of their control compulsions removed by the Toolbox Doctors and the Brotherhood on their way to Tempest.
And the technology being used is in the for of atmospheric processors and seismographs.

You're treating them as second-class citizens to be moved around as is most convenient for you, while giving the Jeffersonians the choice to move around.

You don't see the racism and ethnocentrism inherent in your argument? Or how much hate and anger that this would cause among the Neo-Tokyo Exiles?

Especially since this is exactly the kind of thing that they had done to them in order to keep them controlled back on Neo-Tokyo.

>>35602649
It's also the exact opposite of the NeoTokyian's one major request.

>>35602631
I'm against districts, at least as planetary-scale political entities. If they want to divide up that way for civil issues, sure, but there's a certain mess of seperation that starts with districting, and states, and such.

>>35602570
>including the mouth spike and eating the brains of humans to steal their memories and the appearance.
I misphrased that
>including the mouth spike and eating the brains of humans to steal their memories, and the appearance of the bugs.
brains don't steal human appearance, they steal memories.
completely separate point, their physical appearance description also matches that of the movie.

>>35602603
>the book was far less jingoistic than the movie.
not sure what that means

but the book followed a guy in a power suit armed with nuclear grenades, jet pack, brain implant, and hypno therapy allowing each half of his brain to sleep seperately
as his elite squad attacked the bug's colonies. the bugs were each a sapient humanoid, were armed with laser guns, lived above the surface, and had modern infrastructure. At one point they nuked their power plant, at another they destroyed a water treatment facility.
Also, the plot was completely different

in the movie the bugs were mostly mindless, had zero technology, had a variety of specialized sub species like the plasma shooter giant bugs, controlled by brain eating psionic brain bugs, had no tech, massively outnumbered humans, had exoskeletons tough enough to stop bullets, and fought unarmed in giant swarms.
The humans were using M16 assault rifles and 1950s body armor. and got slaughtered by the thousands. also plot was entirely different.

>>35602413
The thing is: We still need to delegate stuff. So while officially they would only be advisors, the actual process would be like this:

>Advisor brings a problem to us.
>Advisor advocates solution(s)
>We choose a solution / give another one.
>We delegate implementing the solution to the advisor, letting them decide all details.
It would still be a position with real power, and in most cases we could just trust them to do their thing and sign off their decisions, so that officially it seems like our decision.

>>35602628
Gameroom, does what this guy >>35602615
is saying have any merit, or is it all basically bullshit?

>Because compared to the Jeffersonians who were given the choice to come here. The Neo-Toyko's were rounded up and sent here. I would definitely assume they still have lingering feelings for their home as they didn't even have the illusion of a choice to come here.

>>35602646
Where did it say they had no loyalty? It only said they were dissenters. They might have actually liked living there with friends and family? I am only saying to offer them jobs to encourage them to commit to our colonies instead of dallying around.

>>35602664
I've little problem with local divisions with local control, as long as the Federal level is at-large. THAT prevents gerrymandering.

>>35602649
Not those control compulsions I was talking about biological reproduction. It was specifically said that most of the women weren't able to give birth due too much genetic alterations.

>>35602683
>I am only saying to offer them jobs to encourage them to commit to our colonies instead of dallying around.
What... what?

The ones who were doing the dallying around were the YAKUZA, which are either disbanded or dead. Those were the only ones that had any special ties to the older culture/powerbase of Neo Tokyo.

>>35602672
>brain implant, and hypno therapy allowing each half of his brain to sleep seperately
That's not in the Starship Troopers book at all.
None of the Mobile Infantry had implants, or any kind of hypnotherapy.

>the bugs were each a sapient humanoid
Those were the Skinnies, an alien race allied with the Arachnids.

The Arachnids from the book made plasma rifles and advanced weapons, had spaceships with FTL drives, but also were a caste-based society similar to ants.

>>35602713
Where was THAT mentioned?Not in the first thread.

>>35602689
Agreed.

>>35602728
I was referring to the fact that the Neo-Toykos were described as unmotivated and not keen to colonize this planet. This would generally lead to dallying around or at least confused on what to do.

>>35602764
>unmotivated and not keen to colonize this planet.
" Being essentially press-ganged colonists, most will not be terribly enthusiastic about their new home, although some will decide that pretty much anywhere is better than the slums of Neo-Tokyo and make the best of it." I can see how you might get that, but your conclusion - that they would dally around or be confused on what to do - does not follow suit and seems unsupported by anything I've seen (but may have missed)

>>35602664
But a complete central government is so inefficient. You can disagree on how much decision making power they get, but we absolutely need districts with some form of local government. You can't have every decision about where to put a street-sign or what to do with the crumbling side-walk made by global government. That would be insane.

And yes, these are things civil representatives of the surrounding villages vote on. City-wide there are far more decisions to make. Like what kind of system to use for traffic lights, where to build streets, which houses should be preserved or restored because of their historical value. These are all things we need local governments for.

They may not need much rule-making or decision-making power, but what they do is often better done locally.

>>35602628

We should, and ought to, come up with a respectable framework to work towards in the meantime, but ultimately this decision rests with one party: Our Children. The ones who will grow up on this world we now call home, who will have known its wonders and its dangers, and helped to build a civilization upon it, for their entire lives. With them lies the ultimate right and responsibility to forge this new Republic, and to present them with whatever document we arrive at in this day will be nothing but a bane upon their labors."

"But the first step is to become a PEOPLE. Worlds divided against themselves, no matter how peaceably, are never as strong as those that are united. There are many Core Worlds that have remained stubbornly divided along ethnic and cultural lines since the expansion, and they are places of mistrust and bigotry. 'Separate but equal' always turns to reducing one separate party to the station of a second-class citizen, or to a grimly divided land, a fertile ground for strife and even war."

"No, cast all thoughts of segregation from your minds, for what man would not wish his sons and daughters to associate freely with his or her equals? If we are to truly build a new world, let it be built by all of us, as a united people. Not as exiles or immigrants. No longer do we hail from another world, for as of the day we set foot upon the soil of this world we became of that soil! As of today we, as a PEOPLE, are from HERE. Unique among every people in the universe, THIS is our home now, and there is no other like it! Cast off all labels, for we are no longer Relocated Dissenters from the Core Worlds, or exiles from the oppressive Metropolis of Neo-Tokyo, we are people of THIS WORLD. WE are TEMPESTMEN, and none other. It is our-"

"CHAUVINIST PIG!"

>CONT

>>35602751
it was mentioned. although i don't remember it being "most of"
also IIRC we got the cthall to agree to help fix this.
also, I don't see why we need to make ANY rules or forced relocations or such reasons.
Also, this is not even accounting for future immigration and the potential for non sexual reproduction via fertility clinics.

>>35602831
>"CHAUVINIST PIG!"
...wut

>>35602855
Neo-Tokyo Exiles have political and social dissidents.
Though it might still have come from the Jeffersonian side.

>>35602831
...someone from the Neo-Tokyo side just went SJW oh fuck me running.

>>35602751
I'll post the whole thing. It was in thread 3.

Biotechnology is the main thing you could think of, although looking at the demographics earlier, it seemed the Jeffersonians are a bit short on women, while among the Neo-Tokyo Colonists are a good number of genetically altered indentures, most of them prostitutes, who have little luck reproducing with baseline humans without extensive (And expensive) Gene therapy. If the Chtall could help with that, the number of females of child-rearing age would swing rapidly from being outnumbered by military-age males to outnumbering *them*.

The Chtall specialize in slow, gentle modifications that are ultimately more elegant and effective than human Splicing techniques, if slower and more limited. For example, there are not going to be many advances from studying the Arts that will benefit people who "never felt quite right in their own skin" and decide to blow their life savings on getting turned into a bipedal Vixen. This also covers a fair number of your Tokyo Exiles, incidentally.

What they could help with is modifying native plants and animals to produce organic alternatives to synthetic materials, symbiotes designed to enhance human capabilities, better and safer narcotics... The world is suddenly your oyster.

>>35602818
>But a complete central government is so inefficient
False assertion.
Complete central government is the most efficient way for government to do what it is supposed to do.
that is, provide military and police. MAYBE infrastructure.

Complete central control over the economy is inefficient in that they don't produce the right things or the right amounts. but the sovient union could churn out tanks and guns like nobody's business.
But nobody is advocating this.

>>35602855
TEMPESTMEN, apparently. Son of a bitch. This is going to be annoying.

>>35602855
tempestmen, not tempestpeople"

>>35602818
Since when are street-signs or side-walks a concern at the planetary level?

That's a different matter entirely.

>>35602864
Ah, thanks. I remember this, now. The furry in me was giggling over that line.

>>35602865
Jesus Christ Hammurabi's Code covered more things than what you think Government is supposed to do.
"To bring about the rule of rightousness in the land so that the strong may not harm the weak".

>>35602831

[Translated from Nihon<"God Fucking Dammit Mariko..."

<What, you heard what he said! Why can't there be Tempestwomyn? Or Tempestxin? Why does it have to be men?!">

<"Actually, the terms 'Men' and 'Man' come from Old English words meaning...">

<"Don't you DARE Mansplain to me!">

Well, that sort of killed the moment.

"Um, " Starts one man in a brown suit that vaguely makes you think of an old west Outlaw dressing up for his execution, "How about we start on municipal government? Particularly utilities and how they'll work."

"A telling people, onry-onr-ONE true Government not tyranny is of FREE COMMUNES! You say consent of governed. I ask what taxes? WHAT TAXES?"

Well, you certainly hope this goes better.

>Roll 1d100 to see if you can get a consensus on some basic things

>>35602818
>Like what kind of system to use for traffic lights,
Brilliant! we will have each village use a completely different system for their traffic lights, WHAT COULD GO WRONG!

>where to build streets
whether the city's 23 zoning commissioners work for the city or the state or the planet makes no difference.

>which houses should be preserved or restored because of their historical value.
none. it is a misappropriation of taxpayer money to do so. if it has sufficient historical significance it will be preserved and restored by private entities.

Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>35602919
Oh dear oh dear.

Perhaps we should set up a forum or comitte from all the groups?

Rolled 32 (1d100)

>>35602919
If they do complain we can say we spent most of our money in funding the set up of the government and show them what we have done.

Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>35602919

Rolled 29 (1d100)

>>35602919
ph fucking hell

>>35602897
>"To bring about the rule of rightousness in the land so that the strong may not harm the weak".
Sounds like police and military to me.

>>35602938
Thank you.

Rolled 13 (1d100)

>>35602919
Should have just stuck with complete dictatorial control.

>>35602945
And regulations. Saying companies can't make people work more than X hours sans overtime, saying Truckers/Shippers can't work more than Y hours, period, saying companies can't pollute rivers...

Business can be strong and harm the weak as well.

>>35602954
We would technically still have it by the eyes of the AAAs until the debt is fully paid.

>>35602945
Nothing inherently wrong with either?

>>35602865
Sorry, I can't read.

>>35602954
We got that still, at least for now.

>>35602969
His argument is that "so that the strong may not harm the weak" is just military and police, whereas I consider 'harm' to be more broad than physical.

>>35602961
That line was not about those things, since none of them apply or existed in the time of hamurabi
Also, if you stop to think for a moment, enforcing regulations = police.

>Saying companies can't make people work more than X hours sans overtime
An actual example of regulation... but a poor example of something a government "must do" or how it "brings righteousness"
If you are not a slave, they aren't "making you" do anything. You willingly trade your labor for money. You are free to not do so.
You are not entitled to a free lunch at someone else's expense

>saying Truckers/Shippers can't work more than Y hours
Bad example of a "regulation".
Reckless endangerment of other people's life, just like driving under the influence of drugs, is a crime for the police to handle.

>saying companies can't pollute rivers...
Bad example of a "regulation".
Both reckless endangerment of other people's life and vandalism of another's property

>>35602969
>Nothing inherently wrong with either?
I argued that the government should provide military and police services. MAYBE infrastructure
He is arguing that it must provide per hammurabi's code of
>"To bring about the rule of rightousness in the land so that the strong may not harm the weak".

>>35603026
So you don't have any problem with these regulations, then? Because that's the *opposite* of what I got from you.

I mean, we do have these regulations IRL for a reason, and it's simply not to make things difficult for the lulz. Unless you like rivers relatively major rivers catching fire because of companies dumping waste into public waterways...

>>35603039
Erm. I bought that up because I feel that 'so that the strong may not harm the weak' covers *more* than just police and military and some infrastructure, but it looks like he agrees with me - just has things under 'police' I would put elsewhere.

>>35602932
>>35602935
>>35602938

>SUCCESS

After considerable debate, and the most vocal of the women(?) named Mariko present finally shutting up about Gender Identity, you've gotten some broad consensus

>Settlements, heretofore referred to as cantons, would maintain Semi-Autonomy, and handle things like maintenance and utilities internally. The only constant would be to abide by a small set of Planetary laws, mostly guaranteeing the basic rights of all Citizens, such as Freedom of Speech, Assembly, Religion, Association, the Right to Bear Arms, etc, and banning slavery and indentured labor of non-citizens
>Cantons would have very flexible government systems, allowing many variations and versions to be tried and tested, but all would be some form of Democracy
>That immigration and Emigration between Cantons be totally open uncontrolled, with no extradition for non-violent crimes between Settlements
>That the legal system be universal, supplementing randomly selected juries, with the exception of drawing again if close family or other involved parties are drawn, with elected judges and State Attorneys, whose job would be to present the facts of the case, and would be marked as successful based on cases where true justice was reached in a civil manner, instead of the number of convictions.
>That each Canton have municipal police appointed and lead by an elected Sheriff, funded and supplied by the Canton
>That all Citizens from the age of 15 will be part of the Standing Militia for three years, and thereafter be part of the Reserve Militia/Unorganized Militia until they are no longer physically capable of combat duty.
>That two Elected Representatives serve as advisers to the Governor, serving six-month terms, with a maximum service of two terms and recall with a two-thirds majority vote of the population.

>Additions?
>Other?

>>35603053
> Because that's the *opposite* of what I got from you.
you didn't get anything from me, you have been talking out of your ass based on your wild imagination that i am some super anarchist
Ron Paul wants to dismantle the US military. I am saying that the government must provide military
Ancaps want police to be privatized. I am saying government must provide police

>So you don't have any problem with these regulations, then?
Did you try reading my actual post?

The first one I do have a problem with, because its bullshit commie tripe.

The second and third "regulations" are bullshit for another reason. Namely that those aren't regulations, because they are covered by regular old basic laws of "don't physically harm people" and "don't destroy property you don't own".

>>35603075
I have no real problem with this. I would add the "Question Time Petition", which the government must answer if it gets 5% of the population behind (decline only in national security), but other than that, if this is what the people want...

>>35603099
So... you have a problem with laying down laws that can prevent people from harming others (by accident, ie not driving shipping while tired/exhausted)?

And no, I'm not keeping track of anons. No clue what you were arguing for beforehand. Sad that you think that laws and regulations modern society made in response to real situations are "bullshit", though.

>>35603075
>with elected judges
This is the part I'll have to disagree with, the campaigning, money, and concern for the whims of the people, rather than the law, are bad elements for judges.
Appointment is the better choice, with appointment by elected officials and vetting.

>>35603075
>>That two Elected Representatives serve as advisers
I'd say Three. Keep to an odd number, avoids two-way splits if they were to vote on a thing.

>>35603075
Appointed judges. 3 Reps

The addition of state militias and all militia equipment being govt property unless they buy their assigned service small arm/armor upon retiring.

>That the legal system be universal, supplementing randomly selected juries,

no to juries

>>35603075
I would say to form a judicial council as well that records and observes all the rulings to ensure we have a relatively equal law system in place while also acting as our high court. That should counter the negative effect an elected judge may have.

>>35603114
>Police can exist without actual laws to enforce
are you full on retarded?
>Regulations are laws
no. regulations are issued by unelected bureaucrats.
Congress makes laws, environmental protection agency makes regulations
>Pointlessly redundant regulations which are already illegal based on real laws are absolutely necessary
There is absolutely no reason to have a "regulation" that says "you can't dump toxic waste in rivers". Because dumping toxic waste in rivers is direct physical harm to every person who uses the river's water as well vandalism of state property (the river).
>If the law says something, then it is morally just. sad that you think otherwise.
good thing you weren't around when slavery was legal.
>I am gonna slip in some communist tripe into my public safety arguments because reasons

>>35603075
>>That immigration and Emigration between Cantons be totally open uncontrolled, with no extradition for non-violent crimes between Settlements

They should have a limited power to do it in regards to violent crime and a few other things to make sure cantons with a surplus of unskilled labor can screen out skilled labor to get them prioritized.

>>35603156

What the fuck are you doing? Why?

>>35603158
...okay, so you're functionally retarded but agree with me. Got it.
>>35603157
Appointed Appeals/High Court? not a bad idea.

>>35603075
The problem with elected judges is that can massively subvert the law in a local area.
The problem with unelected judges is that they can do the same.

i guess we could have higher level courts supervise?

>>35603159
>They should have a limited power to do it in regards to violent crime
it explicitly states they do
>and a few other things
what things?
>to make sure cantons with a surplus of unskilled labor can screen out skilled labor to get them prioritized.
what?

>>35603162
His probably worried that there would be a chance for bribes which would be harder to track if they are attributed to a jury rather than a single judge.
>>35603159
As for this we could make a law similar to the travelers custom. Where they must at least have an area where the immigrants can rest and recuperate before trying to find another area.

>>35603075
>Appointed judges
>Option for a bench trial or jury trial for the defendant. THIS IS IMPORTANT
>3 Appointed Representatives
>Militiamen can buy back their assigned weapons/armor upon retiring from the Standing Militia or Tempest Military. Support weapons/crew-served weapons and vehicles would be exempt from this.
>Same as above for police.
>Cantons can control their borders but not discriminate on race, sex, gender, creed, religion or species.

>>35603169
>but agree with me
wow, you really ARE retarded if you think I agree with you after reading
>>35603026
>>35603158

also, since we are getting vibes from each other.
I am getting a vibe from you that you came up with examples like "dump toxic waste in river" to cover up for your commie tripe like "government determines how much businesses pay their employees"

>>35603159

What if one canton has retarded laws like leash laws for (non-uplifted) cats and bans on ice cream truck music? (Those are both real, by the way, and hail from the same town). Are you going to crush the dreams of the free-spirited Ice Cream man leaving his oppressive town and its Space Florida Retirees voting block and send him back for jail time? Are you really going to be that guy?

>>35603099
>>35603026
It isn't commie tripe, companies can an do force anything and everything they can get away with on their employees. If there is no law against, they'll do it.
However, but your argument, the laws on harming people are wide enough to cover those issues as well, so I guess we are good there.

>>35603148
I'd agree, just because two could encourage a two-party system, and I don't want that.

>>35603179
I thought our colonists actually owned their weapons/armor when we gave it out on set off. But it could work for the newer generations.
As for the non-discrimination that is already set in the laws above along with freedom of speech.

Guys, idea, how about we leave the judge and jury system alone.
and instead have a beuro specifically tasked in overseeing local trials to ensure they aren't exploiting their local community status to pervert justice

>>35603190
move to another canton.

>>35603154
>Appointed judges. 3 Reps
Agree.

>The addition of state militias and all militia equipment being govt
Disagree.

>>35603190
No. I'm saying they can control their borders to something considered a reasonable extent. If they don't want a canton to exile a violent criminal to their own canton, they can choose to not allow them in.

>>35603179
This is good. I think the militia equipment we gave should be considered govt property. Or if that's not doable, do it for newer conscripts. Also make them expected to maintain and securely store their militia gear while assigned it.

>>35603195
>It isn't commie tripe, companies can an do force anything and everything they can get away with on their employees. If there is no law against, they'll do it.
It might come as a shock to you. But people refuse to work for companies that refuse to pay them for their work

>>35603075
this is perfectly fine as is
fuck all the writein ideas.
just go with this.

>>35603195
>However, but your argument, the laws on harming people are wide enough to cover those issues as well, so I guess we are good there.

Ultimately why I think we're in agreement. In abstract, which is all we really ought to be getting to in this game, he is technically correct, which as well all know...

>>35603179
This is a good idea so we don't lose money every time we buy a Guard Rifle and give it to someone. If it's govt property, but they have an option to buy it, we can make a slight profit or at least recover the cost of manufacturing & ordering it

>>35603127
>>35603148
>>35603154
>>35603157
>>35603169
>>35603175
>>35603179

They are willing to concede to Appointed Judges, by the municipal government, accept choice of bench or jury trail, and approve of the Militia buyback program, Appeals Court/Overseeing Court, and Three representatives. They are, however, adamant on keeping Canton borders totally open as a means to easily track which governmental systems are failing and allow Citizens freedom of movement to find the Canton that they prefer. They are willing to amend this later if it becomes a problem, creating too much political Chaos to have stable governments to test, but they consider it highly unlikely.

Does anyone have any contention re >>35603179
on anything except the militia equipment?

>>35603232
If we are gonna lease it to the militia are they gonna pay for maintenance or are we?

>>35603236
Ok. This works great.

>>35603236
Sounds good to me.

>>35603210

OP Post said that there was Extradition for violent criminals. Read again.

>>35603198

How are you going to do that if you get extradited? Sure, you can leave eventually, but in the meantime they're going to fine the shit out of you, sending you away a penniless convict instead of a small business owner.

>>35603245
I assume we"ll provide them a cleaning kit and the relevant materials. If they run their rifle over a truck, then that's on them.

>>35603236
That is great.

>>35603236

Forgot my Trip, sorry.

>>35603195
>It isn't commie tripe, companies can an do force anything and everything they can get away with on their employees. If there is no law against, they'll do it.
In the united states, vidya developers are notorious for "forcing" unpaid overtime (not really forcing since you can just quit)
and guess what, a fuckton of people DID just quit. many went to work for companies that don't do it

lets look at some examples
>EA, notorious for unpaid overtime
hemmoraging money and dying
>Valve, famous for treating their employees well
one of the most profitable gaming companies with huge following

interestingly, there was a law against it. EA did it anyways and the employees didn't report them... until its been long enough to sue for a large amount of money.

>>35603264
>>35603236
Oh. One more thing? 10 year census please. By us or the muni. govt

>>35603215
It may come as a shock to you, but people get threatened and fired if they don't "get with the program", and then they have no money to pay bills or feed their families. You can an will do everything in your power to keep your exploitative job just to survive.
You know what the guy that stands up for himself and leaves gets? Nothing. No job, no money, and the collapse of all he has around him because he had principles, and he stuck up for them. Great moral victory and I can sleep at night, but it don't pay the bills.

Most of the colonists were escaping from megacorp holdings, so you can't make that sale to them either pal.

>>35603258
>>>What if one canton has retarded laws like leash laws for (non-uplifted) cats and bans on ice cream truck music?
>>move to another canton.
>How are you going to do that if you get extradited? Sure, you can leave eventually, but in the meantime they're going to fine the shit out of you, sending you away a penniless convict instead of a small business owner.
the fuck?
Extradition is for violent crime only and your time spent in prison isn't going to leave you the option to be fined for that shit. Not to mention the varied human rights.

>>35603272
It will happen. But alot less since everyone hates the megacorp way of life. Also remember that we have mining jobs everywhere and if we are really that foregone. We can distribute the settler kits.

>>35603269
Yay, creative industries that have in-demand jobs can just walk away from their jobs because other jobs are waiting for them.
Go them.

Isn't that smooth for blue collar work.

>>35603272
>It is the BEST paying job you can get
>It is an exploitative job
How exploitative, forcing you to work there by treating you better and paying you more than ANYONE ELSE would.
If only you didn't have all those BILLS

>It may come as a shock to you, but people get threatened and fired if they don't "get with the program"
very very rarely, because most business owners know better.
and those too stupid to know better deserves the bankruptcy that results from all their employees quitting

>>35603293
I rolled 16 tones, and what did I get...

>>35603293
>Failing to read this hard
No anon, you fail to read
Vidya designers are, IRL, the absolute "worst" example of companies engaging in such tactics. No other industry engages in that tactic as much.

>>35603293
>>35603303
And the reason for that is that vidya is super specialized field that leaves you unsuited for work elsewhere

those who left? they didn't just leave their job, they left vidya making entirely for completely different fields.

>>35603270

Perfectly acceptable.
-------------------------------------------------------------

You feel like you're on top of the world. You just got a compromise that everyone can agree with out of a room full of disparate and highly opinionated individuals. You thought that kind of thing only happened in idealistic fiction, but you actually did it.

The Harvest of Tomorrow will be leaving soon, its work done. You coordinated your first battle as Governor from that hold, and you will miss the Lounge, but all in all you're glad to see it go.

It's good to be you.

>See Toolbox Doctors
>See Brotherhood Rep
>Try to sell or bargain Smugglers Hold (Container)
>Start setting up Simulcra Arena
>Announce Fleet recruitment program, send word out with departing Traders and Harvest
>Talk to James about continuing the Rach war
>Make decisions on bringing infrastructure online
>Other

>>35603280

The post I was replying to originally supported extradition for non-violent crimes. Read it.

>>35603347
>>Other
How is Iron Scythe doing?

>>35603347
The cyro-slaves. I want to know what's going on abotu that.

>>35603296
You live in a fantasy world.
>and those too stupid to know better deserves the bankruptcy that results from all their employees quitting
In this world, that company is making record profits. Best they've ever made.
The only time they might see a dip in this situation is when there is enough competition for the workforce, which is not a constant.

>>35603303
I would laugh more if it weren't so sad.
Unpaid overtime, unpaid breaks, punishment for using the paid-time-off days (which have replaced seperate sick and vacation days) they give you, this shit is widespread and state AGs are constantly having to fight it out with major corporations not mom and pops over it.

>>35603347
>Announce Fleet recruitment program, send word out with departing Traders and Harvest
We really need to do this already.

>>35603347
Thank you for handling this the way you did btw.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Governors_Quest

I updated the wiki. Are there any differences between the High Quality & normal pulse laser rifles? Which ones are sabaton pattern?

What happened to the One Way Ships & Flesh Bazaar?

>Announce Fleet recruitment program, send word out with departing Traders and Harvest
>>Specify we also need aerospace pilots and are looking for police equipment as well
>>Specify we're looking for naval ships, weapons, etc

>>35603347
>>See Toolbox Doctors
I want to see if they are willing to take positions within the staff of the medical university.

Did anyone find out our expected and current income?

Dont forget we need to get the Tech Uni to prioritize building hydroponics. And getting ID chips removed, along with any markings that indicate their previous owner.

>>35603374
Did you get the econ stuff I sent your way last thread?

+4 from Mining (+1 Hub bonus)
+6 from Fuel and Asteroid Sales
+1 for Machine Shop
----
+11C Every 3 Months (Quarterly).

Eventual +2 from Tech University
Eventual +2 bonus to TU once we crack the Settler Units (If we bought those)

>>35603347
>Announce Fleet recruitment program, send word out with departing Traders and Harvest

>>35603374

Mining Hub needs to be moved to Orbitals, Tempest now has oceans, High Quality Laser Rifles are better than the other ones you bought, being about two-thirds the size and weight with 30% more power and range.

>>35603400
Oh, we don't have that +1 bonus just yet. I take it goes online next quarter?

Also, what's the relation between our debt and +1 C?

>>35603397
>>35603374
>>35603372

You send an honest, straightforward message: Young Colony with captured Pirate vessels, all real warships, seeks experienced crew and officers.

>Bonus: Setting money aside for a recruitment BONUS will increase turnout. You can dedicate up to 10 C to this Bonus, but only have 1 C in the Treasury. Would you like to spend that here?

>>35603394
Nope. I didn't see it. I"ll add it though. Though which of these are actually set up?

>>35603400
>Tempest is a Class Five World, with no notable native ecology an atmosphere hostile to humans

>no native ecology an atmosphere hostile to human

Is it "or atmosphere hostile to humans" or "and has an atmosphere hostile to humans?

What's the maximum population capacity of all our domes?

>hile Tempest won't have oceans for some time now

I"ll remove that from the amphib tank description. Thanks.

>>35603347
I say hold onto the Hold. Never know when we might need something like that without much notice.

>Announce Fleet recruitment program, send word out with departing Traders and Harvest

Otherwise:
>>35603361
>How is Iron Scythe doing?
Sounds good.

>>35603377
>>>See Toolbox Doctors
>I want to see if they are willing to take positions within the staff of the medical university.
Also sounds good.

>>35603347
>See Brotherhood Rep
Do we have any reason to turn down the offer to be one of their underground railroad's end destinations?

>Start setting up Simulcra Arena
If we have time, I'd like to get to this.
I'm thinking we try to keep a military connection to it as well, maybe do recruitment of promising people. Try to keep it as a thing run and owned by the colonial government, and promote it as a thing for everyone to watch and enjoy, and for those willing to get involved with as well.
And betting, of course.

If we can roll that into a major interest, we might even drive tourism with that eventually.

>>35603423
Hub isn't set up, so only +3 mining. If the Hub isn't, then enither is the machine shop (although they will go into operation soon). So we're at +9C/Quarter.

>>35603421
We can only do a bonus of +1C now, but if the date of application/hiring is in 3 months, we can go up to, say, 8?

>>35603423

That's the outdated description, actually. Tempest has a thriving "native" Scum Ecology with the top of the food chain assumed by the Rach, and the atmosphere has been downgraded from "hostile" (Which it was originally) to "Unbreathable" (But not actively corrosive/lethally poisonous in small doses)

>>35603421
Y

We should note that in the future, we"ll be interested in updating our navy hardware and buying LEO equipment. And that we"ll accept govt. contracts.

>>35603421
I say keep the 1C. We might need it for the other negotiations.

>>35603429

That would be entirely possible.

>>35603429
I say we do 3. Save 5 for any ships and say we'd like to do a payment plan/contract.

>>35603450
3 sounds good. 8 was my upper limit. Since this is future income we're earmarking, we can keep the 1C for immediate negotiations, as per
>>35603435

>>35603421
At least the 1C, though
>>35603429
has a point, could go higher.

How about 5C with higher bonuses for people that can provide training/teaching? Lure in a few crews, and then focus on training more of our own people.

>>35603450
>>35603465
I'm game for 3 or 5 - whichever you two anons hash out.

>>35603430
Fixed.

Added income and the other stuff you pointed out. Moved AA cannons to ground forces.

Guys, how should I add in the new govt info?

>>35603423
You halved our fuel income, 1d4anon. You're not trying to siphon some of that for yourself, are you? :P

>>35603421
By the time they come, put 3C for recruiting space navy personnel and aerospace pilots.

Save 5C for ships & naval weapons. Specify we're interested in contracts and payment plans. Contracts being where we gradually pay as a bulk order is gradually delivered.

>>35603483
Replace government with it. Bulletpoint the QM's entry we approved, plus edits. Remember the one a decade census added on.

>>35603495
Fixed!

>>35603508
kk

>>35603482
>>35603450
Don't want to spend it all, but let's say way spend 2C on bonuses to fully crew a few of our ships, and 5C specifically to attract instructors and get our own Naval Academy going?

>>35603543
We've got a total of 10, 1 now, 9 for our quarterly income.

3 for crew, have them train additional crew from locals with shakeup missions surveying nearby planets/systems?

>>35603421
>>35603543
Not sure we have enough ships yet to need full academy, maybe spend a bit less and focus on people with experience willing to help train new recruits.

Say, 6C with the higher bonuses going to those willing to pull training duty as well?

>>35603578
Thinking similar here >>35603593
Just want to pay them more. basic crew will be easy enough, but good ones to train others will take a little more honey to lure out here.

Let's sell the smuggler's hold

how much money could that give us?

>>35603593
Remember 10C was 12 superheavy tanks that could match a BOLO together. Anything more than 3C for personnel is overkill IMO. We should save the lions share for equipment.

----

I updated the Planetary Govt info. Tell me if I missed anything or got anything wrong.

>>35603608
>>35603593
>>35603543
Compromise: 4C searching for NCOs and hands-on training types?

>>35603636
Decade Census. Beyond that, looks good. Glad to be able to show it off to my normal people

>>35603640
Officers, NCO. Particularly people who were instructors, pilots, engineers and XOs, captains or higher. Ordinary enlisted should also be welcome since we're so severely lacking.

>>35603640
We should have 11C by the time they come:
*Treasury: 1C

*Income: 10C every financial quarter
**Mining: +3
**Fuel & Asteroid Sales: +6
**Machine Shop: +1

OP writing?

>>35603708
I'm under the assumption that since we bought the Machine Shop the same time we bought the Hub, it's not set up right yet.

>>35603636
That was for 12 tanks without crew.
We're hiring entire crews worth of people here!

Actually, that raises a good question:
Gameroom, how much crew do the ships need?
And ships in general in your setting?
Depending on the level of automation, I suppose that answer could vary widely, I'm thinking large number, those wanting to spend more overall, but if it is small numbers we have more to work with.

RIP TheGameRoom

>>35603640
>>35603683
Are you saying 2C general crew + 4C trainer-quality bonuses, or 4C total?

>>35603783
4C total, focused on NCO/Trainer types. We don't need more general crew; that's what our colonists will be for.

>>35603783
Total.

Though I'd prefer to know what we can get with X many C in advance. Seems it's not possible though.

>>35603780
it was fun while it lasted

>>35603735

Generally they're small for the tonnage of the ships. Frigates carry a crew of 200, but are the size of modern-day Aircraft carriers. The Destroyer is more advanced and efficient, and only needs 350 despite being three times larger.

Please also keep in mind that the 10-1 is assuming that you drop 10 Mammoth Superheavies in a featureless box with a BOLO and have them blast away at each other at point blank range, which results in mutual destruction two out of every three times and tenuous BOLO victory the third. However, at no point are 10 Mammoths going to survive getting to within point-blank range of a BOLO with no terrain advantage. No BOLO Legion has ever taken 10-1 casualty rates against human-built non-BOLO Superheavies. It would be seen as a disgrace to the service if such a thing were to occur.

>>35603640

Is this agreeable to all?

Some of the threads are misarchived. Thread 8 is named 9, for example.

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>>35603797

Boo Motherfucker

>>35603807
Yep

>>35603807
yes.

//That was a shocker

>>35603789
>>35603790
>>35603807
I had suggested 6C as the compromise between people saying 8C and 3C initially. 4C seems a bit low.

I'd settle for 5C, I suppose.

>>35603821
>>35603828
>>35603830

Writing.

>>35603807
yeah, it's good

>>35603818
spooky

>>35603830
8C was never a suggestion; it was the upper limit of what I'd be willing to spend.

>>35603807
>>35603543
I like my Academy spending.
2 for crew, 5 for trainers.

>>35603640
You are linking to two people who want to spend six and one who wants to spend 7. Yourself you have suggested 3 before. As a compromise you think 4 is reasonable?

>>35603830
5 C is an ok compromise.

>>35603836

You send out a message with the soon-to-depart trader ships and the Harvest: That Tempest needs good NCOs and Officers for a captured Pirate fleet, real warships, sizable bonus, operating under Governor who knows enough about ship-to-ship combat to leave it to the professionals. Sign Up Today!

Now, you've got other things to attend to:

>Sort out Infrastructure Priorities
>Ask James about the Rach war
>See how the initiative to set up a library and schools is going
>Go see Iron Scythe
>Meet with Toolbox Doctors
>Meet with Brotherhood
>Meet with Freed Slaves
>Other

>>35603842
Well one for 2C +5C for contracts, then a couple 2C+5C suggestions.
6C seemed better than 3 while leaving more money, and put us on the upper half of how much we could offer, and presumably on the upper half of quality.

>>35603873

>5 C is the amount.

>>35603873
In order:
>Meet with Toolbox Doctors
>Meet with Brotherhood
>See how the initiative to set up a library and schools is going
>Ask James about the Rach war
>Sort out Infrastructure Priorities
>Meet with Freed Slaves
>Go see Iron Scythe

>>35603873
>>Meet with Toolbox Doctors
>>Meet with Brotherhood
Combine these. They will probably work together on at least some fronts.

>>35603873
>>Go see Iron Scythe
Then
>>Meet with Toolbox Doctors

>>35603873
Freed Cryoslaves.
>>35603879
>>35603878
I'm cool with 5C, btw. It's well within my upper limit.

>>35603873
>>Go see Iron Scythe

I want to do this before the quest ends today plox

>>35603885
>not putting Scythe higher up
For shame.

>>35603879
Groovy.

>>35603879
Sure.

>>35603896
Least important thing time wise.

>>35603896

Is this a vote? If so, tiebreaker.

>>35603873
>Go see Iron Scythe

How do the mercs feel about our latest military acquisitions btw? Early on we had AA cannons, some light tanks, APCs and 20k guys with rifles + combat armor. We got a lot more equipment now.

>Speaking of which, you notice that the Mercs aren't entirely happy about this development. Being that one of their unofficial duties is often to keep Governors in line with 'Corp goals, they're never comfortable with being outnumbered by real soldiers with decent weapons. Those companies that can afford it almost seem to be showing off the fact that they possess plasma weapons and older-model powered armor, as if to warn your Guardsmen not to take them lightly.

>>35603885
>>35603887

>>35603889
>>35603894
>>35603949

The Mercs are more relaxed, having accepted that they're in for a less than boring tour, and that it's probably a good thing your Guard turned into a proper Army, but they're still nervous about the new hardware. Cases of Civil Guard and Mercs ending up at odds are not unheard of, but the gap in firepower and training they normally enjoy is rapidly closing.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Scythe has been relocated to a Heavy Equipment Bay, which he barely fits into even without his lost harness and no weapons. You see evidence of heavy work around you, and an odd design on Scythes newly painted Hull.

"GREETINGS COMMANDER. WHAT IS THE NATURE OF YOUR VISIT? ARE THE ARACHNIDS REFORMING?"

"No, no, just wanted to talk."

"EVEN BETTER. CRUSHING MOSTLY DEFENSELESS INSECTS GROWS SAMELY AFTER THE TENTH STRONGHOLD. AS THE YOUTH SAY, 'WHAT'S THE UPLOAD'?"

>"That slang is from 30 years ago, Scythe"
>"How are your new accommodations?"
>"What's that painted on your forward Hull?"
>Other

>>35604002
"What's that painted on your forward hull?"

>>35604002
>"What's that painted on your forward Hull?"
Then..
>"How are your new accommodations?"

Cant hold the slang against him IMO

>>35604002
>>"That slang is from 30 years ago, Scythe"
>"What's that painted on your forward Hull?"

>I got you some presents. These have to be kept a secret for now though, to keep the supply line open.
>Any upgrades or equipment you would like to have? I'll mostly have to take what I can get, but a wish-list would give me a direction to go for.

>>35604002
>>35604011
I'll go with this one.


Hey, random thought could Scythe control Simulcra? Could give him an extra hobby (and perhaps a personal source of income when the arenas get rolling)

>>35604002
>"That slang is from 30 years ago, Scythe"
>"How are your new accommodations?"
>"What's that painted on your forward Hull?"

>>35604040
A little simulcra anthropomorphic bolo will give me nightmares.

It needs to happen.

Did we lose everyone?

>>35604010
>>35604011
>>35604030

You give your best exasperated sigh. "Scythe, that slang is from thirty years ago."

"YOUR MOTHER IS FROM 30 YEARS AGO"

"That's not- Fuck it. What's that painted on your Hull?"

"A DESIGN ONE OF THE ENGINEERS CAME UP WITH. SAID I DESERVED TO HAVE A SYMBOL, EVEN IF I WAS NO LONGER OF THE LEGIONS. I THINK HE MIGHT BE A FANBOY."

You look closer, seeing the stylized, curving patterns, more like tribal cave-paintings than anything else, including pain mixed to enhance the mystical feel.

"THE STAR OF THE FIVE ELEMENTS: WATER, WIND, EARTH, FIRE, AND THE SPIRIT OF MAN, BOUND TOGETHER IN THE CENTER BY THE STORM, THE COMBINATION OF ALL, THE LIGHTNING AND THUNDER THE LAST AND PUREST ECHOES OF THE WORLDMAKERS HAMMER WHEN HE FORGED THE COSMOS AT THE BEGINNING. FITTING, FOR A MACHINE OF TEMPEST."

You nod thoughtfully, looking at the curling blue lines representing Water, the elegant curves of Fire. Most Legion insignia are over-detailed, displaying skulls and metal wings and clockwork set against profiles of famous BOLOs of ages past. The knockoff "Legions" of the kind Mister Miner believes you to be building often take that to a cartoonish extreme, attempting to overcome lack of legitimacy with brutal imagry. It doesn't work.

This, this is different. Almost mystical, and symbolic of the deeper meaning of both the Legions and the spirit of your adopted Homeworld. It would do nicely as a Legion symbol.

>CONT

>>35604110


"Before I leave, I have to pop into the Drivers seat and check a few things," You say to a nearby supervisor, "Won't be a minute."

Once inside the armored compartment, you relay your news: "I got you guns and Secondary Shields. I wanted to go for the main Battlescreen, but I figured having good ECM would be more valuable in the short term. From your specs, I think we could get you outfitted if the need arose in a day. Faster if we get real BOLO equipment."

"OUTSTANDING. WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER BUT BRIEFLY, AND ALREADY YOU ARE ALMOST MY FAVORITE COMMANDER. ALMOST."

"Gee, thanks."

>>35604030

You see no reason why not. You'll have to bring it up when you have Arenas up and running.

>>35604110
>This, this is different. Almost mystical, and symbolic of the deeper meaning of both the Legions and the spirit of your adopted Homeworld. It would do nicely as a Legion symbol.
...and planetary crest. Find whomever did this, hire him for the PR department.

Also
>as him how his accommodations are

Looks like we're done here folks. I may not be back tonight, and won't be tomorrow night or in the week after, but I will be next Friday at the usual 9:00 PM EST. I think from here I'll switch to a weekly schedule.

>>35604115
>You see no reason why not. You'll have to bring it up when you have Arenas up and running.
Awesome.

>>35604115
Could the Bolo have these Simulacra hidden in the maintenance tunnels of his body? Depending on how good they are at fighting they could help him defend against anyone entering his hull as the rachs did. Having a couple of hands to do maintenance or other works might also be cool.

>>35604133
Roger. I'll try to make it. Good luck, and thanks!

>>35604130
>Find whomever did this,
Well, at least meet him.

>>35604133
Have a good one. Consider picking up a QM tiwwer account to send schedule updates out with.

>>35604130

"A BIT CRAMMED, BUT I LIKE THE WORK CREWS. MUCH LESS DOUR THAN THE LEGION CREWS, AND I LACK THE PROGRAM INHIBITIONS AGAINST TALKING WITH THEM."

You're not so sure about the Planetary Crest, Tempest Legion will need a symbol its own out of tradition, although you definitely think his is talent worth exploiting.

>>35604153

>https://twitter.com/MarcLeconite

Goodnight all, sleep tight, don't let the Assassin Drones stab in the night.

>>35604164
Good ques run again. I'm happy with the way you dealt with the politics part. Also keep in mind the shitstorm had nothing to do with you as a QM

>>35604133
Thanks for the thread. Quest is awesome so far. Voting stuff has been far better after the initial bumps in the road.

My only concern at the moment is that you are handing out legendary / exceptional stuff like candy. We got what I would expect to take years in a few weeks, and I don't feel like we have actually worked enough for it. With the exception of the additional ships everything has pretty much fallen into our lap and that can get old quickly.

>>35604174
I think he"ll slow down the IC pace eventually.

We got the smugglers hold for a good perception roll, and got the cache + pirate fleet through decception.

Besides, I think we were given so many CC points because the Commonwealth expects the planet to be a big planet. Hence the investment

>>35604172
Thanks.

>>35604174

Don't worry, that's pretty much over. The Smugglers Cache was intended (If you found it) to give you a leg up in a dangerous area of space. The Chtall thing will take a LONG time, the remaining Kzinerettes will require hazardous sidequests that may introduce you to your various lovely neighbors before your defenses are ready enough, and getting the other BOLOs will be missions in themselves.

Further, unless you want to buy everything by saving up base income, you're going to have to steal more pirate/alien treasure, and Scarr and Spire were the Tutorial Level.

To be fair, though, I've had a problem with this in the past, if you look at my first Quest it's embarrassingly obvious. It's mainly an urge to hand you the good stuff immediately so I can bring on the heroic challenges that you'll need mechanized combined-arms armies to meet (Which I never got around to in PGQ), but I know rationally that /tg/ will like it more if they work their way there, which is the goal of this Quest. Start from nothing nearly nothing, with the potential to be great.

>>35604229
Well, handling IC pace will help. Big shit we gain can happen over a period of IC years instead of days. I always figured we were meant to be a colony with above average starting goods, though.

>>35604203
Not really talking about the amount of CC. At least not directly. The ships were one of the few things we, as the players, actually got through good thinking and cunning, so I don't mind them as well.

What is of concern to me is this.
>Of the two alien races we brought with us, one an exceptional enclave that itself seeks to rise up their whole race and will bring our world untold fortune on their own.
>For the other, we somehow found a legendary part of their history within hours of coming to our planet. The consequences are potentially Commonwealth-wide as well.
>For a single perception roll we didn't just get a small chest of illicit good, but no, we got enough stuff to buy an army! Also legendary forgotten knowledge on how to make mini-me assassins.
>The planet we have is not only exceptional in one way, it has had the potential for: Floating Mountains, Gigantic Unexplained Worldstorm, Exceptional Natural Reefs and whatever the rest was all in one.
I could go on, but the gist is that it feels like the QM has a ton of ideas and tries to cram them in as little space as possible. All of these things are something I'm totally ok with, I'm just afraid that the pacing is totally screwy with us getting a ton of plot-hooks and gimmicks thrown into our face as soon as the QM thinks of them, only to have us skip over years of nothing happening soon after.

>>35604229
I read your last quest. It was fun. I just fear that with the current pace you will need escalate both the rewards and challenges so quickly that my suspense of disbelief stretches to its limits. Or you run out of ideas and the quests runs out of steam. Whichever comes first, really.

>>35604300
>rise up their whole race
raise up their whole race from a fringe faction to a major player.

>>35604300
>Of the two alien races we brought with us, one an exceptional enclave that itself seeks to rise up their whole race and will bring our world untold fortune on their own.

To be fair, we did choose that over something else that could've directly helped us.

>>For the other, we somehow found a legendary part of their history within hours of coming to our planet. The consequences are potentially Commonwealth-wide as well.

You're right about this.

>>For a single perception roll we didn't just get a small chest of illicit good, but no, we got enough stuff to buy an army! Also legendary forgotten knowledge on how to make mini-me assassins.

I don't think it's forgotten knowledge. I think it's more the QM needing to figure out a good benchmark for how good 1C is since he seems to be winging it 100%. A lot of the options were utter crap when compared to other things.

>The planet we have is not only exceptional in one way, it has had the potential for: Floating Mountains, Gigantic Unexplained Worldstorm, Exceptional Natural Reefs and whatever the rest was all in one.

We paid that off with more corporate debt, though.

I do agree with your sentiment in general. Not trying to be argumentative.

>>35604359
>To be fair, we did choose that over something else that could've directly helped us.
A) That has nothing to do with it. B) Both groups directly help us. They were specifically chosen over other options because they would help our colony more than these others would. Their true worth is at least an order of magnitude higher than expected.
>We paid that off with more corporate debt, though.
We paid actually making these changes with the corporate debt. The planet already had the potential for all these things, all of which were considered exceptional. It was already full of the minerals needed for floating stones, we already had giant glaciers on the poles and freaky weather all over.

>>35604229
Just so you don't misunderstand. All the things I'm "complaining" about are awesome. It's just that it feels like we didn't actually do much to get them, therefore I don't get as much satisfaction from having them.

The old thread is still around. We wouldn't have needed this thread. /tg/ is slow.

>>35605106
/tg/ is too fast for me IMO. I miss /tg/ speed of 2007

>>35605106
It is hard to judge these things, and better to jump early from a sinking thread than wait for it to go under.

>>35603367
>You live in a fantasy world.
>In this world, that company is making record profits. Best they've ever made.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ea-posts-381-million-loss/1100-6399243/

>>35603873
>You send out a message with the soon-to-depart trader ships
ah drat, we forgot to sell them the smuggler's box itself