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>>35594772

She cuts our lunch for us and spoon-feeds us, blowing on it and holding her hand under the fork

"You spoil the yuong lord too much" -says Kalliira
"It's my right. He's my little brother"

The brown elf maid smiles, and leaves you

"Say Aaaah"
"Aaah"

She spoon feeds us lunch

Then, we have some playtime in the shower
No, it's not what you think, and it's just as I said

We literally play for a bit in the shower before drying off and dressing up

Well,as vengeance, we tell her to put on her armor.
It always makes her embarrased-
That should bring her down a notch

Except she doesn't seems to mind, now.

It's not as if she's flirting or showing off.

She just doesn't cares unless its us doing the staring.
Then she blushes, same as always

Anyway...

We find Okaba fiddling with the sample of Rock-it he got from the dwarf craftsman.

You know, you probably should turn your room into a lab, man
I mean, this is a guest room, you know? a guest room

Well, anyway, we greet him and he invites us in, so we sit to talk with him.
Meanwhile, Aura takes Lyann away towards their own table.

Girls talk, uh?
It's kind of scary

"Interesting. Can I see the ring?"
"Uh? you are more interested in the ring than in what I told you about me?"
"Well, you said it was something you were born with, right?"
"Right"
"And that sometimes people in your family are just born like that"
"Right"
"I still havent tackled how to copy natural abilities. I wouldn't even know where to start"

He receives the ring, and holds it up

"This, on the other side, is the sort of thing I know about"

1/?

>>35594814
Or this.

It's also possible that you can use slots themselves as power sources.

Take a normal card
Place a powerful southern enchantment on it
See if the card takes 2 or more free slots to fit
If yes, repeat experiment with more and more powerful enchantments.

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>>35594879

He tries looking at several pieces of equipment to check the ring's work

"Interesting. This ring does a huge amount of work. Not only does it recognize the properties of items, it also shows them in a way that any user understands."
"What do you mean?"
"I dont think you are familiar with heven's tongue, right?"
"Right"
"I'm seeing the data in my native tongue. And I'd bet you do as well?"
"Yes"
"Uhmm"

We notice Aura giving Lyann a small handbook, which Lyann quickly stores away into her own item box.

"And these... slots, right?"
"Right"
"Fascinating. But you can't regularly produce items with the same number of slots, right?"
"Sadly"
"Uhmm... the secret way in which cards interact is fascinating. The [Kobold] card is famous as useless trash, yet to think it actually had such an effect."
"Please remember I want to write my own thesis about the cards."
"Yes, do not worry. I have more than enough academic work done to graduate, I'm just interested in research nowadays... do you mind if I assist you? this could have all sorts of applications. Verifying the authenticity of legal documents, notes of trade, foreign coins, maybe even helping to solve crimes or things as simple as finding one's lost keys"

* I will be grateful for the help
* Ah, I only hoped it would be helpful knowledge for your own research
* Other

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help
SCIENCE bros for life, yo.

>>35595118
* I will be grateful for the help
were not a genius anyway just more experienced

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help
also was the last thread archived

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help
>I'm sure it'll be helpful in your research as well

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help

He likely understands why we kept it secret due to mom. He also likely appreciates how this info will help him in his own work also.

>>35595167
We're only 25 points shy of Okaba's Int.

>>35595118
>* I will be grateful for the help
Just so long as most of the research is done by us. Gotta earn that PhD.

>>35595118
Could we ask okaba if he thinks using a Dragon Force powered by Die for Power, counting on rerez to keep us alive, is a good idea?

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>>35595118

"I will be grateful for your assistance"
"Alright, then" ~then to Aura~ "Aura, could you place your equipment on the bed?"
"I .. I thought you'd never ask!" ~she gestures as if she was goig to strip
"Cut it"
"Aww... I just want to ruffle your feathers"
"Aura, please... there's children"
"They know I'm joking"

"I don't get it, tho" ~says Lyann

*coughs* "Well, anywa, could you please place your weapons and armor on the bed?"
"Sure, hold on..."

Okaba studies it for a while, and takes some notes

"Eldric, are you using this ring at the time? could I borrow it for a few days? I want to go take a look at the items in the market"

*Sure, no problem
*Ah... I dont know if I can loan it. It was a gift. Let's go together
*Other

>>35595513
>*Ah... I dont know if I can loan it. It was a gift. Let's go together

Did we ever roll to see if the Water spirit's amulet had slots?

>>35595513
*Ah... I dont know if I can loan it. It was a gift. Let's go together

best not mess risk it

>>35595513
you know I think I actually adore this pic for Athena. Everything about it, from how cutesy the girl look to the little dueling club outfit

Nice, soft feminine body, without being ridiculous like so many japanese designs are

Also, the hair and the eyes are cute

>>35595513
>*Sure, no problem

>>35595513
>*Ah... I dont know if I can loan it. It was a gift. Let's go together

>>35595557
I'm sure the super narrow swimsuit have nothing to do with your appreciation.

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>>35595549
no we didint, I think
Want to roll?
6d100, roll 4 times as usual, need 25+

Rolled 71, 92, 24, 9, 41, 90 = 327 (6d100)

>>35595601

Rolled 88, 45, 33, 44, 12, 84 = 306 (6d100)

>>35595601

>>35595513
>*Sure, no problem

Rolled 69, 33, 89, 1, 1, 6 = 199 (6d100)

>>35595601

Rolled 58, 24, 84, 19, 45, 65 = 295 (6d100)

>>35595601
love me dice gods

>>35595513
It was a gift, best hold onto it so we don't potentially piss off a water spirit.

>>35595648
>1, 1, 6
Damn son, you pissed off the dice gods something fierce.

>>35595639


huh

4 slots

this is the one with water breathing and walking right?

utilities enchantments would be best I think

>>35595601
She has such a derpy face in that picture.

We are a chemical engineer.

Is there anything we could do to improve beer? I imagine we could make some money that way.

>>35595859
>Trying to improve dwarf beer

It's like you want a genocidal war.

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>>35595588
she has a swimsuit? i thought it was something like a uniform...
ah
I honestly didint notice. Can only see a small section of anything at the time, like watching through a thin tunnel
Honestly. When I want T&A, I openly mention T&A, you should know by now
>>35595633
2
>>35595639
4
>>35595648
3
>>35595649
0

***

"Alright then, lets go tomorrow evening?"
"Sure"

He hands us back the ring, and we leave the room with Lyann behind us.

"Where to, now?" -- Asks Lyann asher "dress" flutters around her with every step
"I think we'll go check the inns downtown."
"What for?"
"To find a nice one for mom and dad"
"Alright"

We spend most of the evening in that.
Dwarven standards of construction are nothing if not solid, so everywhere looks nice in that sense.
We find one with a variety of food, and good reputation.

And then, on our way home, we walk back through the market.

There really is a lot of activity in a dwarven market, uh? or maybe its just a sign of the city's prosperity

As we look around,we are suddenly tackled down by something soft but firm and brown

A baby-like softness hugs us and we get licked

"Stella, I've told you to not push me down!"
"Ah... the young lord its so small, tho. I cant push down Brass, and Mako looks like she'd break, so..."

Well, we cant argue that.
Theres no way she could push down Brass
And she shouldnt push down Mako

...but that doesn't means it is okay to push us, either!

We push her off by her breasts.
They're quite firm, yet our fingers dissapear into their softness

She doesn't seem to think anything about it, tho

1/?

>>35595904
>She doesn't seem to think anything about, tho.
I bet Lyann does, though.

How old does she look now?

>>35595904
>She doesn't seem to think anything about it, tho
We shouldn't be doing that if she's a mental two year old.

Pet her, and ask if she'd like to follow along with us.

>>35595904
She could push down lyann....

What?

>>35595904

She physically aged up, but it looks like she is slowly maturing mentally.

The racial mostly appears to affect them in high stress envirment so just leveling easily and then living an 'easy' life probably slowed down mental maturation slightly. Which is good.

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>>35595904

"What are you doing here, anyway? where's Brass?"
"Ah, brother comes every day to check the slave market. He says he's looking for a friend."

She points out and we notice Brass in the crowd in the slaver's stockade

Well, let's go talk to him

As expected from war time, the slaves are plentiful and cheap. How awful.
More than a few of the folks here had to sell themselves, or were sold by their families. Not many criminals. So different from how we've read it is during peace times

*sigh* Well, let's pet the puppy girl
Stella leans unto our hand as we pat pat her head. I thought wolves werent able to wag their tails?

Well, whatever, she's a child. Even if she has an explosive body that looks like it is ready to break heatts
And she has a tendency to wear clothes that are WAY too short for her.
It's like she's about to spill out anywhere you look at her

"Let's go see what Brass is up to?"
"I can't"
"Uh?"
"He said I should stay and wait for him out here"

Well, he probably doesnt wants her inside the slaver's stockade

"Lyann, could you please keep her company?"
"Sure"

Lyann starts nagging at Stella about pushing us down and locking at us
The wolf-eared girl folds down her ears and lowers her tail as she listens

We greet Brass.
He explains that he's looking for a friend.
Actually, he's looking for Stella's parents.
They're not really related. He's just watching over her until he finds her parents

Well, their surnames are different, it was kind of obvious

Looking around, there's all sorts of people, uh?

2/?

>>35596178
incoming python he to is of bro-tier awesome

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>>35596178

You can see a few dwarves, of course.
And many elves
Two human males
Some beastmen

Almost all the girls are nude

They're not being manhandled, they¿re just not dressed-

The males are also shirtless.

Well... when you think about the sort of works male and female slaves are normally sought after for, that makes sense.

It's not that we agree with it, but its understandable-

Thankfully, you dont see any children.

There's a few beastgirls. There0s a young lion girl. That's a tribe that's supposed to be from the far south, wonder how she ended up here.

She looks scared.
She has a pretty, round face, and short fluffy hair
Her figure is nice. Feminine and curvy

Zoe
✩<15 Healer/15 Slave>✩
*She has a star next to her name

"Brass, I think its commendable, but not very effective. You could just pay some money and have them tell you if the people you are looking for shows up."
"That's a pretty good idea, young lord"

Well, it looks like we

There's few powers like the power of money, after all

"Hey, Brass, aren't you buying children for the orphanage?"
"I think it wouldnt be fair to expect you and the prince to care for every child in need"

Well, he's right... but... a level 15 beastgirl?
What if she's the same as Stella, just a child who was forced to grow?
The idea tastes horrible
Im reminded of something Okaba said once, about a collar I suggested to help slaves frow strong, quickly

"The slavers and breeders would love that" -he said

Don't beastmen basically have that as a feature from birth.

Breeders, uh?

No, it can't be...
* Talk to the girl
* Not our problem
* Other

>>35596570
* Talk to the girl
lets check out the star too.

>>35596570
>* Talk to the girl


Also, are these the elves that were rounded up for being slackers or are people going on slave raids for elves because they're so hated now?

>>35596570
>Talk to the girl

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>>35596570
>* Talk to the girl

>>35596570
>* Talk to the girl

Always talk to the girl.

The amount of money we make dungeoning with Brass is pretty crazy really.

>>35596570
* Talk to the girl

>>35596570
>* Talk to the girl
The stars are usualy something important. I mean, Lyann got one when she gained the Noble class.

Slavery is pretty scummy in general here, I am at a loss how we can really turn it around, especially since there are things like foodgens with other levels to get materials a lot of the time. It devalues the cost of labor a lot of the time.

>>35596781
Who do you think gets sent into the foodgeons to get the food?

>>35596570
>* Talk to the girl
We've got the money to spare.

>>35596816

The slaves. The ones that survive and level get sent to lower levels to farm raw materials.

It really is not too much work for a group of 6 slaves to clear the first 5 levels, go and loop back to the start, and keep going until they fill there storage.

You can get a lot of materials that way, just for owning a group of slaves. After they level up enough you can go ahead equip the stronger ones and send them deeper in the dungeon to get iron and such.

It tends to lead to excess labor as how easy it is, so it devalues the worth of the slaves. If one dies, just go to the market and get another.

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>>35596641
saved as zoe 001.jpg
more please

fuck, im always trying special characters and they never show, and now the ✩ shows?

Oh well
***

As you wander over towards the girl, a dwarf gets in your way.

"Ah, young lord, are you window shopping?" ~looks like the dwarf knows us
"I was wondering about her"
"Zoe? she's cheap. Just 12g for the young lord. She's fresh off the eastern breeding pits. I have all her pedigree history, going all the way back to Sixty himself, the famous first gladiator champion of Alquia, you know?"
"12g... does she know how to read and write? no, wait, does she even speak? how old is she?"
"Erh... 9g? I do have all the documents proving her pedigree."
"She's a child, isin't she?"
"Well... it's the best way to ensure freshness when it comes to female beastmen"

We stare daggers at the dward

"Zoe"

The lion girl wiggles her ears and looks at us with some interest. So, she can at least understand what we are saying.

"I'm going to take a look at you, alright? I need you to accept my invitation"

We send her an invitation to our party
We had to mimix the "accept invite gesture for her to imitate us, but she eventually "clicks" the yes button that should be floating in front of her

Zoe 1yrs old female beastmen
On: Healer 15, Slave 15

She has no "off" jobs. She was born a slave. Her jobs tab has Beast Warrior and Shifter on it. Monk too!? how did they force her to grow?

Well, even without her racial passive triggering her race's secret jobs, it was obvious once we could look at her age.

She's just a child, younger than Athena

Zoe flicks the tip of her tail as she looks at us.

* Buy her
* Pass from this problem
* Other

A thought just struck me. When we look at our sword and dad's gauntlets, it says 6/0 slots, but the abilities it has aren't cards, right?

We should study our sword in more detail. It could be the key to creating hybrid enchantments.

>>35596988
>* Buy her

1 year old baby. Welp, there is no chance of us not buying her.

>>35596988
* Buy her
like were not saving somoene like this.

>>35596988
>* Buy her
we help people plan and simple

>>35596988

* Buy her

There is something twisted there. She is younger then your baby sister, shows how fucked up the slave trade is.

Just wish we had a way to solve it. We likely could level her, but I think best would be have her taught with Stella some math/reading/writing/language.

No doubt Eldric now wants a way to solve this slave issue more, but a solution is a bit out there.

>>35596988
>* Buy her
Haggle down, since she doesn't have any skills as a 1 year old.

Inquire into the breeding pits. Just how many people does it produce every year?

>>35596988
>* Buy her
>haggle down to 6G
Man, mom is going to be so mad.

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>>35596989
Your sword is a legendary set utem. It reacts slightly different to cards

It can drain HP and MP thanks to man eating plant card + kobold, and ghost card + kobold. But instead of it being 2 separate powers, your sword can switch between them, this making room for more enhancements and enchantments

>>35597092
>Inquire into the breeding pits. Just how many people does it produce every year?
I wonder if beastmen females give birth in litters
>>35597103
roll 1d100, you want a 42
Well keep the best of 4 rolls

>>35596988
>* Buy her
Jesus, she's only 1 year old and she's been forcibly leveled to grow up so she can be used for breeding? Thats just fucking sick on all levels. This has been going on for how long?

Rolled 93 (1d100)

>>35597201

Rolled 71 (1d100)

>>35597201
roll

Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>35597201

Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>35597201

>>35597201
I just look at this pic and think
"man, thats some real enjoyment of violence, right there"
As a 1 years old with levels, I could see this happening
>>35597246
ok
***
"She's one year old..."
"Well, beastmen are different, you see? they're more beasts than men. You just need to look at her and its obvious. She barely even knows enough to stand still"

Looking at her feet. Shes chained to the platform with a thick metal anklet and a single link on each ankle so she cant move anywhere.

The platform has tiny spikes, so she cant sit

The urge to punch this Gold Dwarf its just over 9000 right now.

"She has no useful skills, doesnt knows how to read or write, cant be used for work, and do I look like I care how good she might be in bed?"
"Erhh... 8g, but you are taking the food off my children''s mouth!"
"Alright. Let her down, now"
"Yes, young lord."

We offer our hand to Zoe, and she takes it with a radiant smile.
Its a smile full of thrust
It goes right through the heart

"Brass, she's too tall for my shirt, could you loan her yours?"
"Of course"
"Zoe? you're with me now, alright?"

She tries to wander off, so you have to hold her hand firmly

"No, Zoe, stay with me, alright?"
"She doesn't seems to understand you, young lord"

The slaver comes back with the documents, Zoe's pedigree papers, a collar and a leash.

"She's a good purchase, young lord"
"She's not a purchase, im rescuing her"

You are having some trouble steering a girl thats almost twice your height around, but thankfully you are much stronger than your size would indicate

3/?

>>35597441
I can imagine us sitting down at the end of today, looking way way older than 9 years old and saying 'Sometimes, I really hate this place'

>>35597441

Gonna have to hire Brass really to just be everyone's favorite big brother at the orphanage.

Zoe needs to just go ahead and not level, but enjoy life as a child with Stella for a bit, while being taught.

>>35597441
It's a really, really good thing we have Brass to be the older figure.

>>35597441

"Alright, lets go get her some clothes"

You guide her out of the slaver's stockade
Lyann is sitting with Stella outside, while she tries to teach her some letters
Come think of it, Stella is just two, as well.

They're both babies
Just a few days ago, we thought "slaves are too convenient". But now it really dawns on us just how horrible their situation can be

Well, we take both girls to buy new clothes. We get them good, serviceable clothes.
They are babies, they tend to crawl and play on their knees if left alone. Their clothes have to be sturdy

Thankfully, our friend Tazar seems to understand us.

Their clothes are cute, but functional. They're made to last, with thick leather pads on the knees.

We can't get either girl to wear shoes

"Brass, can I burden you with one more girl?"
"Ah... actually, yuong lord, now that I know you better... I wanted to leave Stella with you"
"What!?"
"When we were separated from her parents, they were shipped to the south. It was just vain hope that made me look in the local markets."
"I see"
"I trust you with her. Could you stay with her while I look for her parents? If I dont find them i two-three months, I'll meet you in albion"

* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand
* I'm shipping them off to the orphanage in the next charriage
* Other

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand
Just think of it as.... training.

Training for what? Well...

>>35597715
Brass is a bro, glad we spared him.

>>35597801

Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand


a hero's duty is never done

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand
Brass has been a bro from the moment we've met him. Let's be one in kind.

>>35597801
* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand
we have the rage of Asura right now

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand

>>35597801
Take care of them for the first few months, then ship them to the orphanage to be taken care of by Brass when he returns.

When it comes to raising beastmen, you really gotta leave it to the experts.

>>35597801
>Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand


Even if this means forgoing investigating the orcs. Which could effect the war.

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand


Probably should hire someone who can be a tutor to them and be a nanny for the time we are here. Even if we have to buy a slave simply and then when we are done free them with a stipend.

Mom and Dad could likely help us with that part.

>>35597801
>* Alright, I understand. When mom and dad arrive, I'll have a lot to explain. Well, I'm sure they'll understand
Can we give him like, 50G or do one last loot-based dungeon run in order to give him the money he needs to go down there and find Stella's family?

>>35597921

That is a good idea, he does need spending money if he does not have any

>>35597921
Or upgrade his equipment, or get him some fast T1 levels or something.

>>35597921
>>35597947
he has been going into the dungeons with us, and we have been giving him a fair share, he should have about 350+ gold atm

anyway guys im going off for the night. Want me to writefag the next few days and post them when we start the thread next week, or want to play them? would continue now, but im starting to see floating dots before my eyes

Also, wth, why is so hard to find SWF art of that girl?

>>35598039
Don't forget to look up surgery for that glaucoma

>>35598039
>Want me to writefag the next few days
yes

Thanks for GMing and have a good night

>>35598039
Thanks for running man.

>>35598039
I want to play them.
Especially I want to see what Mom's reaction to learning about Card Slots and that we plan to become a professor before we're 12.

>>35598039
What will the next few days entail? Just dealing with a 1 year old baby in the body of a 15 year old?

If so, go ahead and writefag

>>35598039
Play them.

>>35597954
Time to bust out that Mulan song again.

LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

>>35598039
It's okay, writefag it away. We've already had a thread before this one anyway.
And take care of your health more.

... yes, Leonmitchelli is so sexy, finding non-erotic pics of her is harder than finding erotic ones.

>>35598093
ok. Have a goof night, guys

>>35598039

Dog days, should be a lot on pixiv.

Leonmichelli Galette des Rois (レオンミシェリ・ガレット・デ・ロワ Reonmisheri Garetto de Rowa

>>35598122

Good night, go ahead and write fag it

>>35598122
Gnight

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>>35597841
Indeed it is not. Once we're rich enough to run everything from the shadows we should conspire to make Child Slavery illegal. No selling or separating them from loving parents until they are of age.

We can't really abolish the practice completely, as slaves are the favored of the gods. The gods thus, in a way, encourage shieldbro type slave ownership. Good thing this is what we practice, a pity so few know the potential of that "lowly" status and thus embrace the worst parts of it over the best.

Perhaps that is another test. Most slaves want to not be that ASAP. Make them like it, love it, and they, and you, gain an asset so valuable it is beyond measure. Good things come to those who wait, as they say. Part of that is being willing to wait, a trait mankind and most sentient beings in fiction fail to show in a hardcore manner.

>>35600023
The system encourages BECOMING a slave, but not being BORN as one.

Since it makes for a better story.

>>35600765
What you think we seriously considering? Enslave Lyann to us as we propose becoming her own slave as well? We are hers, and she is ours. We're basically wanting to be married to her in a most absolute sense. She owns us, and we own her. It's an endless cycle of reciprocation. Absolute trust... enforced by the gods and every contact and hug like a geas contract...

To whom do you entrust your very soul? Aura has chosen the mad scientist Okaba. Is it not surprising we entrusted ours to Lyann?

It isn't just about power leveling, there are things here that lead to this shit. It can be such a tender love, to give your very soul to someone else knowing in your mind that they will never misuse that privilege you granted them over you....

There is shit that goes beyond the pall, showings of trust that really prove it...

anyone else reading the governor quest shitstorm where two self-described anarchists are arguing against 2 other people?

>>35601135
Wrong thread dude...

>>35601068
I'm a little confused here. What did you think I was claiming? I was just saying that becoming a slave inherently means you have 2 classes, while being born as a slave means you only have 1 class.

As for what you're saying...if we really trust her, shouldn't we tell her about the "I've lived an entire life before meeting you" thing first?

There are a lot of things that we can entrust to other people: Our lives, our responsibilities, our wishes, our truth, and others, and becoming slave to each other is only one/a few aspect/s of trust, not some super special "beyond the pale" stuff.

>>35602878
>our truth
blech, *secrets

>>35598132
>Leonmichelli
Leonmichelli...

Leonmichelli?

Really?

So they named her lioness michaella

Who's that author, the same guy in charge of naming Bond girls?

Anyway im back if anyone wants to help with ideas and such, checking the thread for the suggestions we got lastnight

>>35605878
hey, hey OP. I'm still here to nag you about surgery.

>>35601068
>She owns us, and we own her
reminds me of that useless meat and her potatos

>>35601135
no, i have a hard enough time reading my own QT. Besides, "anarchists" usually are just edgy kids who want a excuse to burn things, and dont really know what enlightened anarchism as a system replacing government really means.

A system where everyone is in charge of themselves, accepting responsibility for themselves.and working with their fellow men to achieve things without having to be prod into it.

Its ideal, but unrealistic. Myself, I prefer meritocracy. Its achievable and it even worked before for thousands of years in china before the clusterfuck began.

Public employees should have to be tested for their position, and then tested again to allow them to advance. Only those with the merits for a better job get moved up, and those who are revealed as incompetent are moved down or fired.

The problem with democracy is that our societies are too big. How can we KNOW who we are voting for? we cant.

Hell, translate this to the future, when we have mars colonized and settled. You think we can realistically hope to hold elections for two worlds? what about 4+?

Keep the current bureaucrafts, but start testing who deserves their jobs

In my country at least, when you have worked enough years in a public post, you are impossible to fire, you become "built in" in the office. I know, personally, plenty of guys who work in public charges and are either lazy as fuck or so corrupted they make evil look fun

>>35602878
>As for what you're saying...if we really trust her, shouldn't we tell her about the "I've lived an entire life before meeting you" thing first?

Could be more romantic than that, could be "I had to be reborn to love you" or "had to wait 2 lives for you" or something like that

>>35605899
well i cant really go around checking clinics until monday, can I?

>>35605999
You can look up a list of numbers/places to check out beforehand, right?

I just don't want you forgetting, is all.

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>>35606006
ah, must be nice living in the 1st world

This is a large town or a small city, theres only 1 hopspital and 1 clinic, its not going to take long at all

Hell, I was only able to check my eye pressure and get the glaucome detected to begin with when i traveled to another country

>>35594772
you didn't announce this thread on twitter

>>35606059
...I live in a 3rd world, although within driving distance to the capital.

I'd still make a list to all the big places you can get to in an hour.

>>35596988
>Breeding pits
there is a bigger problem here than just a 1 year old slave.
Also, how old do you think they are when they are bred?
just buying slaves like that is supporting the problem.

This is definitely something to bring up with dad and the dwarf king. At the very least the coalition could put an embargo on that properly regulate it.

And ideally we could get our nation's army to crush those engaged in the practice

>>35606270
Because he started it immediatelly after last thread.

>>35597201
>Your sword is a legendary set utem. It reacts slightly different to cards
>It can drain HP and MP thanks to man eating plant card + kobold, and ghost card + kobold. But instead of it being 2 separate powers, your sword can switch between them, this making room for more enhancements and enchantments
I wonder if that means more cards can be added to it and also be put on the rota.
Definitely want to show the sword to okaba

>>35602878
>if we really trust her, shouldn't we tell her about the "I've lived an entire life before meeting you" thing first?
There is more than trust involved here.
That extra life thing could easily drive a wedge between us and our parents, and asking her not to tell them will drive a wedge between her and them.

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>>35606276
>within driving distance to the capital.
there you go, im 3000+ kilometers away

>>35606480
Well I won't tell you guys how to have relationships, but I'm leaving it out there that at the end of the day, Eldric is keeping a significant part of himself secret from everyone. I personally find that distateful, but neither do I have an important enough reason to just tell someone.

>>35606706
that's...yeah, that would be a problem.

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>>35606374
>Also, how old do you think they are when they are bred?

I imagine it depends on the breeder entirely.
I would be amused if there was something like luxury breeders that only let their stock mature naturally and feed them with the best food in a stress-free environment.

You know, like that kobe beef (i think that was it?) that the japanese are so fonf of, that comes from cows that live totally stress free lives and are fed the very best foofs, drink mineral water and are massaged every day to make sure their meat is the absolute best meat out there.

In short, a 5 stars! kind of breeding operation

Maybe you can introduce the concept of "quality" if you cant get rid of the industry

Because the only way to really swing the merchant's practices, is if they can make more money by doing so

>>35606754
uh... the stars arent showing again... im so confused by it. Sometimes they show and sometimes they dont? or does the site not support them at some hours? its so weird

But yeah, I imagine we will be horrified and shocked if/when it turns out that Zoe's mom is just a year or two older than she is, much later down the road

>>35606814
just testing with white stars since the black ones dont show

>>35606754
>I imagine it depends on the breeder entirely.
>I would be amused if there was something like luxury breeders that only let their stock mature naturally and feed them with the best food in a stress-free environment.
>You know, like that kobe beef (i think that was it?) that the japanese are so fonf of, that comes from cows that live totally stress free lives and are fed the very best foofs, drink mineral water and are massaged every day to make sure their meat is the absolute best meat out there.
you should have a look at Librarian Quest. There WERE luxury breeders who did just that, and it messed up the children pretty bad in the head. What do you do with rescued kids who have no parents, little education, and are used to eating like kings and never lifting a finger?

>>35606754
The introduction of a 5 star version won't eliminate the budget market though

I was thinking we take down the breeding pit and kill all the guys involved.
And apply our position and those of our friends to get laws passed in the coalition against child slavery and slave breeding.
Any nation that doesn't fall in line gets invaded by the coalition

of course, that is a multi year project.

>>35606827
eh, it seems those breeders missed on the all important education and indoctrination bit

Like how the sardaukar in the dune universe had a religion that made them ultimately loyal to their emperor

>>35606829
>I was thinking we take down the breeding pit and kill all the guys involved.
wont that just create more, as people rise to fill the void. Also, the Eastern Star breeding pit its just the oldest and most reputable, it is by no means the only one.

Its just the only one that traces ancestry and pedigree

But yes, of course we should try and get child slavery banned in the coalition lands. As for invasion... eh, child slavery still happens today and the UN do nothing about it since its not economically convenient.

Persia has a huge stockpile of slave children, even now. Who do you think makes persian rugs? there was a child with a 2 million bucks reward on his head because he sneaked into the fabrics, unchained and "stole" the slave children and then sneaked them away to the catholic church to have them rescued by the priests. He got killed, btw

And just google up "nestlé slave chldren". Sadly its not as rare and bizarre a practice as we wish it was. There's plenty of children slavery in OUR world as it is

If you really want to improve things, do it by convincing people theres more money to be earned elsewhere or with different practices

at WORST.. im saying worst here because OBVIOUSLY its far from ideal, but still better than right now, orphanages could be built as training facilities. Making slaves under the ACTUAL AGE of 16 illegal to be sold would help. And if you are holding onto them for that long, may as well educate them to sell them at a higher price

>>35606929
>As for invasion... eh, child slavery still happens today and the UN do nothing about it since its not economically convenient.
the UN are a bunch of total and complete shits.
Anyways, between eldrick, mako, honoria, and Okaba we have the future kings and queens of 4 major nations.
That is tremendous political power that would let us majorly reshape the world

>>35606929
>eh, it seems those breeders missed on the all important education and indoctrination bit
I'm a little foggy on how much education there was, but indoctrination was a little difficult to do when the children are designed to be sold to families of varying nationality.

>If you really want to improve things, do it by convincing people theres more money to be earned elsewhere or with different practices
Idealogies make the world go round. Lasting change comes from new ideas and perspectives.

>>35606929
>>35606972
Also, I am well aware of those IRL examples. But notice that they in third world countries.
I disagree about finding some economic solution. Both because an economic solution doesn't exist, and because the situation in those countries differs.
IRL there are countries that do crack down on it hard, first world countries, and child slavery is thankfully rare in them.
And in quest, we have scenarios that aren't available IRL. such as 4 like minded heirs to a throne as well as potentially high level like minded adventurers. "Don't do X or a party of level 100 adventurers will kick down your door and kill you" is an awesome deterrent. The threat of violence works tremendously well all of them world (see drug cartels) and we can apply it far better than they ever could hope to.

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>>35606972
It would be fun to start a UN that actually worked as it is supposed to.

Eopolis (you) and Opal (Honoria) have Sbastia (north), Albion (East) and Yellowleaves (Southwest) as immediate neighbors, tho

Okaba and Mako's lands are in other continents. You should probably try to start relationships with Yellowleaves, Albion and Sbastia in an official capacity, sometime soon

>>35606998
>Lasting change comes from new ideas and perspectives.
Oh to be so young and idealistic.
I guess you could try that
Just saying, I think money would work faster and better. Anyway, Im thinking in the next few days/weeks with Zoe and Stella

Fast forward a few days to have Zoe potty-trained, mention how amazingly fast the girls learn, then move more into cutesy territory. Lots of cuddling

After a while they should sneak out to follow you into the dungeon, I imagine

>>35607034
now that i think about it, we can even threaten nations too
>Fuck with us and we will kill your foodgeons

>>35607043
>Just saying, I think money would work faster and better
The problem is that there cannot exist an economic incentive to NOT engage in slavery.

Unless you call "killed/imprisoned/your wealth confiscated" an economic incentive rather than a legal punitive one.

Dungeonmancer
Unlock: Completely explore 5 floors below floor 50 of a dungeon without leaving.

>Corridor Control
X mp cost
Move a wall to create new paths or close old ones. There must be no living entities in the areas affected, and the dungeon will always make sure that there is a path to the stairs.

>Monster Lure
Passive
Modify the encounter rate up to Dungeonmancer Level*modifier%. Minimum encounter rate is Floor Level-Dungeonmancer Level.
Dragoon
Unlock: Survive X meters of freefall.

>Jump
Can jump high into the air, leaving combat for X rounds, before landing and striking an opponent. Damage gains X bonus based on the number of rounds, and stuns both parties for a full round.

>Dragon's Roar
Make a CHA check to instill primal fear in the hearts of foes, causing them to panic.


>>35607043
>Oh to be so young and idealistic.
The surest way to bring change is to wait for the older generation to die. And I was implying that finding more economical methods than slavery WAS the "new ideas and perspectives". Sometimes, good is efficient.

Besides, Eldric has the time(still a kid) and resources(an orphanage, royal backing) to experiment with the best method without being bothered too much by the outside world.

>>35607049
that sounds surprisingly likely

anyway, give me a bit, working on a world map real quick, should help a lot

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>>35607233
Obviously only has details, and very vague ones, on the area where we are at the moment

Sorry it took so long

>>35608115
a political map please?

>>35608752
alright hold on going to have to draw some lines, hold on

>>35608115
who is the coalition currently fighting?

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Alright there we go
The Coalition its
- Eopolis
- Black Lake city states
- Opal Mountain Kingdom

Fighting against
- Alquian Empire
- Yellowleaves Forest Kingdom (they are also fighting the Alquian Empire at the same time)

Incidentally, Mako comes from the Celestial Empire, and Okaba comes from Hêven, who is always fighting Lapsiona

To the north
-- Sbastia (Neutral)

The empire is too big for the Coalition to actually invade. Current plans are to just push them back. Maybe if in the future the Coalition realms united as one, it would be possible to be a bigger presence in the world scene

By the way this is just the North-east of the world map

Brown lands are either unsettled, or home to a thousand different minor city states or prince-states.

>>35609841
oh, for size reference, Yellowleaves covers an area about the size of texas

>>35609892
Fuck it would take a 50 good years to take over just this map :(

I guess it depends on how much modern stuff we can get made like ICE, or nuclear power,
what do we remember?

do we even have a chance of becoming
Eldric Lightbringer The Great ruler of the World?

>>35610132
50 good years? not necessarily. Especially with airships now. Maybe fighting everyone would take 50 years, but we already have allies.

I really hope this quest goes into the strategic phase and not staying on the nothing really happening right now arc.

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>>35610132
uhm? you want to go Sengoku Rance on the world?

Well, we could go game of thrones and rescue the beastmen in the breeding pits to kickstart our armies with, i guess

>>35611187
Thinking about the near future, I'd really like to get dad leveled and geared up better. At a minimum, get him singer 20 for the charisma increase, and knight 20 for access to auras. Healer 20 and Wizard 20 would be nice just for additional stats, but aren't that huge a deal.

After that, look at his equipment with our ring and see if we can strengthen it. Maybe just commission a full set of runic armor and greatsword for him as a present for when he arrives.

>>35612950
Does XP continue to be split evenly if there is a significant level difference between class and job?

If yes, getting him levels should actually be easier. He'll hog most of the xp due to being class level 55 or whatever, and half of it will go to T1 classes.

>>35612950
Don't forget Monk 20 for another significant stat boost.

>>35611187

Annoyed I missed the thread.

Any chance we could use our contacts in the elven slaves to 'hire' some(1-3) elves for a few months We need them as nannies and teachers for Stella and Zoe. Zoe needs to be taught language and some common life things that she never learned, being force raised to 15 years old with the mentality of a 1 year old.

Stella of course also needs to learn reading/writing and math. I would be loathe to level her up much more until she knows those things.

It is not even like they did it over 5 or 8 years at 2 or 3x the age rate.

She had her whole childhood taken from her.

I would not want to bring Zoe into a dungeon, even to level her until her mental maturity at least reaches ~10ish. In a lot of ways I personally rather have her as a childish big sis at the orphanage for a bit so she could enjoy some childhood.

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>>35613228
>Does XP continue to be split evenly if there is a significant level difference between class and job?
yeah, you are right

>>35613436
eh you didint really miss it, didint do much. Im seeing everything foggy and its making me sleepy BADLY

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>>35613436
>She had her whole childhood taken from her.
On that note, we can give her a childhood. What is it except a time of wonder when you are exploring the world while watched over by people that loves you?

and as for leveling zoe, remember you can just keep her in the party and level her up while shes not there

Would be useful to raise her int and wis, for example

>>35613527

Yeah, I was taking part of it yesterday, was doing other stuff when you came back for a bit.

You think of using a voice to text software for reading here? It might make it a bit more reasonable.

I really wish we had a good solution for the slavery in this world, just as it is now without a strong WANT to change things from more people, I fail to see how we can do so. Money could also do it, but it would not really be a long term solution. Need money and a driving social need to change it. Or blood, a lot of blood.

We may be able to get things adjusted if we make Labor in general more valuable but the slave collars really solve the issue that feudal and pre-feudal slavery has with rebellions.

>>35613582
>remember you can just keep her in the party and level her up while shes not there

Wait, you can get xp while not even being inside the dungeon?

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>>35613591
>Or blood, a lot of blood.
I can get behind blood.

>>35613591
Does this world even have the concept of human(sapient) rights yet?

We may need to kickstart the renaissance.

>>35613614
Yeah, often used by nobles and their slaves I thin.
It's been mentioned before.

>>35613657
Is there a maximum range to XP sharing?

>>35613675
afaik as long as you're in a party...

>>35613640

Most of it would be the slaves. Peasant revolts tended to be extremely bloody. The German Peasant wars suffered over 100k+ dead, many of them lightly armed peasants vs heavily armed knights. It would in this world, with the wars going on likely destroy the country it takes place in, for another power to invade.

>>35613645

Human rights goes way back to BC era even. For it to stick would be best to come from the church. Historically the Church would be one of the few things that could push it.

>>35613582

So get her and stella some wizard levels, to push int and wis enough so they can quickly absorb info? Seems reasonable.

I have trouble seeing what Zoe was raised for, since she was obviously leveled too quickly, other then being some bastards play thing to use and then dispose of.

Is there any mention of slave armies? I can see a less moral enemy using breeding pits, a few foodungeons and training to in a few years raise an army of slave beastmen with 'nobility' as the officers, and 'free man' as the NCO's. Level them up in about 3 years while training them to follow orders and go from there.

>>35613873
Modern conceptions of human rights are only a few hundred years old. They're the relevant ones because they look down on slavery.

>>35613903

But they did have a basis they were built on, and could reference in the past.

As a 9 year old, regardless of how wise and smart we are, we are not really in a position to do much about starting the legal, religous and social process to change things yet.

We need to make contacts in the church itself to start it.

We are likely significantly smarter, wiser and more charismatic then almost anyone, we just won't be taken seriously.

>>35614227
If we wanted to usher in the age or reason, we wouldn't start with the church.

>>35613591
I slept on it, and I have a few ideas

The way I see it, we need to make low-quality services more expensive and high-quality services cheaper, particularly Food, Education, and Hygiene.

>Food
There are 4 ways I can see doing this: >Increase the minimum level of monsters across foodgeons.

>Increase the average level of monsters across foodgeons.
The simplest way I can think of doing this is an Elevator that anyone can access, making it easier to reach the past the first few floors.

>Improve techniques for obtaining high quality loot
This means making investigating how to get drops from mobs without killing them.

>Cause Inventories to favor fewer, stronger people
Make it more profitable to have a couple of people with huge Item boxes rather than levelling tons of slaves with tiny Item boxes.


>Education
>School for teachers
Create a standard for the quality of teachers as well as increasing the number of competent teachers there are to open up education to the public. A board created and maintained by us is the fastest way to make our ideas reach the most people, as well as allowing us to keep an eye on the people who control the next generation.

>Public School
Create the infrastructure for learning.

>Philosophy
Get a Renaissance going. Make Art and Philosophy something ANYONE can talk about.


>Hygiene
This one is difficult, because stuff like cheap Aircon makes it REALLY easy to keep a lot of animals/people in very small spaces for extended periods of time.


Speaking of Art, can we make works of Art that grant passives to nearby people?

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>>35613873
>peasant revolt

all those high level farmers and miners
And god woodchucking its serious business

>I have trouble seeing what Zoe was raised for
Are you serious? oh god i want to protect your smile

>slave armoes
google up janissary
or watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjzIDTiruxc

>>35614287
....You actually DO. Churches used to be THE people for education. Universities are there for the rich and powerful, but churches were responsible for teaching the masses, mostly because nobody else wanted to.

Of course, this gave them a lot of indoctrination power, but some people actually trust the churches that much.

>>35614360
No. If you are starting the age of reason, you do not start with an institution that will attempt to squash it.

>>35614360
some one pay atation to maou yushha

>>35614308

Nah I know what she was raised for, it well, seems to be a total waste doing so in 1 year. Spread out over 3 years with more training, yeah. Granted they may be popping them out so quickly, with 'mothers' and 'grandmothers' still younger then us, they jsut pick and choose a few to do so.

>>35614287

Nah, you would start with the church, that is where a lot of the age of reason did start. Many of the classical scientists, philosphers were faithful church men. The good works on the lower portions of the churches can not be under-estimated as >>35614360 put it.

Besides you need someone with large push and has people who will listen. Decree's from kings? that shit changes every generation. Decree's on high from the church, pushed through the church in a pre-industrial society? That shit will stick.

>>35614287
the chyrch got a really bad rep because it was an easy target.
Everyone knows about the unquisition, right?
But the church wasnt always the bad guy. Not even most of the time.
It was thanks to the church that a lot of development happened at all, to begin with

>>35614421
b-but muh dark age of technology

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>>35614446
http://youtu.be/WPKIOdhCBTw

this is a 26episodes deries about how the catholic church actually helped knowledge and civilization, narrated by a scholar.

You know, an actual historian instead of an edgy writer wanting to make a quick and easy buck

Its not a "oh so fun" video. Its educational in a very typical, boring manner. But its really educational, all the same

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>>35614546
hell, the church invented the rather important lowercase letters, punctuation, and spaces between the words

Before that, all you had WASNOTHINGBUTUPPERCASELETTERSWITHNOSPACESFOREVERINEVERYDOCUMENT

So for that, thankyou, monk. Seriously.

Lower case letters?
Punctuation?
Spaces between words?

Thankyou so much

>>35614421

There were also multiple inquisitions. The Spanish inquisition is of course the one that most people know about.

A lot of the witch hunts were less about 'witches' then local politics of course. A chance to use legal means to seize property and remove your enemies.

>>35614546
Oh I agree there, it is just that is stuff that is not taught in school. We were told about Galileo of course and was charged by the church but never mentioned it was more about the fact it was a case of local politics.

There is a strong anti-religous current running below ground in a lot of internet gaming actives, so much so most of the time it is not worth discussing.

It sounds like on the QM view, if we want to instigate change, getting some church contacts would be a good start.

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>>35614640
yeah but thats less "the church is bad" and more "who knew? (the) power (of the church) attracts the corrupt"

And sure, using the church as a power for positive scial change is a pretty good way to go about things

Specially the Church of Light and the Church of VOLTRON

>>35614740
the church of light on Eopolis right

>>35614740

Obviously we need a Cliff then. Someone who is grandson of someone important to the church, that we then hook up with a pointy-earred cutie.

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Oh, and while we are at PROGRESS, funding a university in eopolis would probably help a lot towards enlightenment

Its a city with 15 million people, but all they have is open forums where self entitled teachers give open lectures, with no structure.

More ancient greek and anything else, if you know what I mean

>>35614826
yes

>>35614740
>Not our God and Saviour Vectron
pls, heretic.

>>35614866

>Vectron
>Voltron

As if Vectron wasnt just the local pronuntiation by funny speaking english guys, please, by Voltron's claw!

I don't see why we need to abolish ALL SLAVERY
The idea of turning criminals into slaves and having them work the forms is a decent one.

The thing I really take issue with is illegal slave acquisition (capture and innocent someone and put a death collar on them) and the enslavement of children, in particular slave breeding.

As mentioned before, an economic solution would be best for the above. But I don't think one exists. So all that remains is the bloody solution. Luckily it does not need to be extremely bloody. With the power of monarchy we can certainly ban such actions and work on them from a police perspective. turning violators into slaves themselves (like that dwarf slaver we caught before). For nations outside our own, we practice diplomacy or warfare.

>>35614866
But Vectron isn't a real god.
Now, Tzeentch on the other hand.
The God of Change - Change We Can Believe In

>>35614295
Making food more expensive (rarer?) will not solve slavery, it will increase demand for slave farmers

Increasing slave levels does not solve slavery, because slaves cannot revolt, because death magic collars. Also, it is completely and utterly POINTLESS to lead slave revolts when you are the crown heir of a major nation and have like minded friends in others. Just pass a law. If you want to use the peasants themselves as troops, turn them into jenissaries.

>This means making investigating how to get drops from mobs without killing them.
Thief can basically double returns. but I don't see how that helps any.

>Cause Inventories to favor fewer, stronger people
that requires you alter the rules of reality and is totally unreasonable

>Education
Does what exactly?

>Philosophy
Just talking to people and convincing them to do what is right could certainly be done to an extent

>Hygiene
what does this have to do with anything?

>>35614848
my plan is to convince the church that slavery is wrong plus with being a lightbringer it would give us sway over them and get the people thinking that slavery is wrong

>>35614848
since we are a Scion, would the temple be a good place to research that?

I should point out that slavery isn't the only injustice in the world
For example, okaba wants to use his power as a king (once he becomes king) to give sapients who can drop loot some basic rights
And keep in mind that this isn't some "different colored humans" thing. there are significant tangible differences between races (ex, succubi/incubi daterape magic)

>>35615079
What do you propose they do with criminals instead, then?

>>35615099
personally I think so, I also want to unlock the priest class.

... maybe eventually we can become a messiah

>>35615103
i just want them to remove child and born slavery; they can but set times for criminals as slaves like 15 years as a slave

>>35614848

So they have ancient Greek type forums. Not too bad to have those or various other type of informal gatherings, like the classic french Chateau gatherings.

City of 15 million, would still cost a good amount of money to get going. Wonder if we could get the church to also push primary schooling, for reading/writing/math/bible studies too. Would do well to expand the base education level so that there are more who want schools.

It would almost need to have quite a few sections.

>Math(does calculus exist?)

>Art/Lit (classical art and lit is popular for nobles to sound smart to each other)

> Magic (of course)

>religious studies (creating a new generation of church men who favor our views)

>Dungeoneering/Adventuring (Going over short cuts and advice to improve survival in dungeons, allowing you to progress deeper and safer. Also courses going over how to optimize foodugeons for raw mats also)

>Engineering (creation of large structures, will have attached courses regarding uses in war of course. Engineering+Math would lead to physics)

>Alchemy (production of chemicals, and potions. Scientific method would eventually lead to chemistry)

>Philosophy (Just having this teaching our views would help create the weight of knowledge to advance things also)

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>>35614940
Yeah, I do think that turning criminals into slaves isint inherently bad. Better than coddle them up, give them 3 free meals a day, and a roof

Where I live, criminals are NOT afraid to go to jail. Hell, they're basically home!

Plus, its way better than, say, the death penalty

>>35615224
Also just like how its a problem for slavery. Magic collars basically means there's minimal chances of the criminal escaping or doing more crimes.

>>35615124
or demi/GOD

>>35615224
so we want to clarify we are going to remove child and born slavery while we keep slavery as a punishment system

>>35615290
right

>>35615224
>Where I live, criminals are NOT afraid to go to jail. Hell, they're basically home!
I lived in countries before where there were people who would commits crimes and then turn themselves in regularly because the prisons are basically resorts.

>>35615048
>
Increasing slave levels does not solve slavery, because slaves cannot revolt, because death magic collars. Also, it is completely and utterly POINTLESS to lead slave revolts when you are the crown heir of a major nation and have like minded friends in others. Just pass a law. If you want to use the peasants themselves as troops, turn them into jenissaries.
but it decreases the NUMBER of slaves, since the efficiency will skew towards lesser, higher levelled slaves.

>>This means making investigating how to get drops from mobs without killing them.
>Thief can basically double returns. but I don't see how that helps any.
The main deterrent against high-quality food is that no matter how much you raise the level of a mob, you only get one shot at drops. That makes farming low levels significantly more economical

>that requires you alter the rules of reality and is totally unreasonable
OR you could make backpacks with high level requirements, or find the job with most item box/level, etc.

>does what exactly?
that was for organization. The greentext under that relates to education.

>Just talking to people and convincing them to do what is right could certainly be done to an extent
It's not so much telling people what's right as getting them to CARE about what's right and what counts as a person, hopefully without needing us to jam it down their throats.

>what does this have to do with anything?
Giving access to better hygiene encourages taking better care of people, but there are certain technologies that ultimately make things worse for slaves.

>>35615224
>>35615290

Remove child slavery and slave farming.

Change debt based slavery to indentured servitude for the parents?

Keep normal slavery for criminals. Make sure they are not doing dungeons as the last thing we need is for them to come back when term is up even stronger wanting revenge.

>>35615224
You'll be adding incentives for people to be convicted of crimes that cause slavery.

Which is corrosive to the concept of justice.

>>35615290
>>35615179
I am good with that

But please lets not forget illegal slavery. Like what that one dwarf slaver we busted was doing. That one is already illegal, just needs more supervision and smarter rules. like instead of public servants being forces to obey EVERY order. Have them only obey an official office. with tight supervision. If you have a job for them, you apply through that office. Their orders are that orders from a higher ranked individual trumps lower ranked ones. and the king can issue standing orders like "report crimes, don't obey criminal orders, report abuse" etc

>>35615352
keep in mind that XP varies massively with monster strengh. realistically, farmers are limited to level 1-5 monsters. which basically puts a fairly low effective level limit on them. as once they reach level 15 or 20ish they just aren't making XP anymore. instead its just labor.

>>35615352
>>35615446
ya that works and we could use the church of light to make these ideas a reality

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>>35615351
>better hygiene
You know, it was only when the black plague hit, that bathrin culture died in europe.

They had inherited the roman's love for bathing, and even peasants bathed as often as possible, in the best possible bath

But when the black plague hit, someone said "having a clean skin means having a exposed skin" and bathing died. Actually IIRC it was about exposed and open pores, actually

But people has this idea that medieval times were super dirty

They werent, up until the black plague.

I want to think that the current culture in our new world LIKES baths. Maybe we could start the luxury public bath business, tho?

>>35615352
>Change debt based slavery to indentured servitude for the parents?
I could see unscruipulous landlors and others abusing this to enslave people

I think we agree into slavery for criminals, and to wipe it out for children, make breeders illegal, and probably add documents and proof that someone comitted a crime at the moment of purchase.

Only question I have left is, what about people selling themselves, like Kalkah did, to help her tribe get money for medicines

>>35615446

The whole thing is a mess, because the elves were enslaved for being hobo hippies.

Those slave collars just seem to be used as a crutch to solve problems.

Murder?
>slave collar
Kidnapping?
>slave collar
Rape?
>slave collar
Assault?
>slave collar
Espionage?
>slave collar
Vagrancy?
>slave collar
Jaywalking?
>slave collar
Brewed bad beer?
>slave collar

>>35615598
>Brewed bad beer?
this only can possibly have the death penalty

We are in a dwarven city, remember?

>>35615586
>>Change debt based slavery to indentured servitude for the parents?
>I could see unscruipulous landlors and others abusing this to enslave people
>I think we agree into slavery for criminals, and to wipe it out for children, make breeders illegal, and probably add documents and proof that someone comitted a crime at the moment of purchase.
>Only question I have left is, what about people selling themselves, like Kalkah did, to help her tribe get money for medicines

I think cases like Kalkah your basically stuck with an indentured servants. You had even unscroupulous companies making use of company towns to keep basically industrial serfs in the 1800's, when straight slavery was illegal.

X years of faithful services for Y money up in front. Magically signed and enforced at the time of contract by the church, government or licensed and approved broker.

The way this world is set up, it is hard to see without a major cash earner (our full group, if we blitzed a dungeon with Brass and some levels could clear over 100 gold a day or more easily.) without allowing people to sell themselves.

I sometimes wonder where the gold comes from, there must be a dungeon that drops gold ingots to be smelted into coin somewhere, that is well guarded.

>>35615586
Yea, it is pretty funny
people also have this ridiculous idea that people didn't like having sex until modern time

they had no internet, tv, vidya, and few to no books. Fucking was the primary mode of entertainment
the puritans left behind lacy underwear that would look like something out of porn and fucked constantly.

>>35615586
What about the fact that the gods smile on slaves? Doesn't that imply that the gods endorse the slavery system?

>>35615628
>>Brewed bad beer?
>this only can possibly have the death penalty
>We are in a dwarven city, remember?

Drowned in his own piss water, before it is destroyed in the foodungeon.

>>35615783
>What about the fact that the gods smile on slaves? Doesn't that imply that the gods endorse the slavery system?

Maybe the gods smile on them because they are slaves and deserve better. If the gods smile on them perhaps they should not be treated as slaves?

>>35615586
>Only question I have left is, what about people selling themselves, like Kalkah did, to help her tribe get money for medicines
Let it exist, buy them ourselves at better prices, treat them humanly and have them work in our businesses...
And whenever we can, try to avoid such scenarios in the first place. the village suffering from plague thing for example, once we become king we could step in and have them get annexed to our nation in exchange for the medicine (in the future). if they are already a part of our nation, then some sort of disaster relief program can be instituted instead.

>>35615783
the gods would be smiling on the slave owners/slavers instead of this was a case.
What the gods are doing is giving gifts to slaves because the gods feel bad for them.

>>35615783
I want to think its the gods mercy, smiling on the unjustly enslaved and those at the bottom of society.

Perhaps things will change with our help to the point where this becomes unneccesary, and/or instead it would become a thing about individuals rather than a whole class

>>35615586
>>Change debt based slavery to indentured servitude for the parents?
>I could see unscruipulous landlors and others abusing this to enslave people
They already are thought.
He is saying
>Current situation is, if you are in debt you become a slave
>change it to, if you are in debt, you become indentured (temp slave who automatically go free)... and only for adults, children don't inherit their parent's debt

>>35615628
I laughed... because its true

>>35615861
>it would become a thing about individuals rather than a whole class
I thought it WAS about individuals, because the only "true" blessing happens at level 100. This generally means someone who has overcome being enslaved.

>>35615824
>If the gods smile on them perhaps they should not be treated as slaves?
>>35615846
>>35615861
Then why is the Scion Job, arguably the most powerful Job in the system, only available at Slave 100?
It seems more a reward for enduring the Slave Class for so long.
So it's something that the gods want people to undergo, that if they pass the trial of Slavery, that they can then grasp the power of the gods.

>>35615902
sounds good to me

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>>35615922
i like this idea too

>>35615922
Did you read the post you replied to?
>>>Gods approve of slavery because they reward slaves
>>if they approved they would reward slavers. By rewarding the slaves they show compassion and pity for them
>Then why do gods reward slaves?

Also, it explicitly says GODS, plural, not one god.
Maybe its like dnd where you have nice gods and mean gods.

>>35615922
>>35615986
I talked about that above as well, and that just makes the gods seem like they want to be entertained.

>>35615861
>>35615902
The scion is the slave's ultimate reward, for being that badass
But there are a per level rewards of being slaves.

The item box vastly limits backbreaking labor. And slaves get the best stats from all classes.

>>35615861

As far as the issue of money goes, are there money lenders or banks of some sort? Or is that, like medival times a thing of the kings/church only?

No credit is available to tribes or other groups, with expectations of them to pay off reliably and no history of credit.

Too bad we are a chemical engineer and those econ ideas would not really fall to our character.

Unless our ultra high wisdom/int is gonna let us pull back and recall all small details of our prior life to use in this one.

>>35616026
some gods are probably dicks
*cough*greek gods*cough*

>>35616026
>>35616128
makes sense to me.

>>35616128

Almost all classical gods are dicks. Many of them could not keep it in there pants too.

(rampant unknown speculation)I wonder, start a slave emancipation movement, end up getting hated more by the empire because of there slave combat battalions. We now pose a grave threat to there existence. Not to mention having the cultures divide more due to different morals. Ends up creating permnament war.

>>35616218
Zeus was a furry.

The beastmen are probably all direct descendants of gods getting their yiff on.

>>35616096
>like medival times
that, and trust.

The eopolitan and Opal kingdom coins are well respected and widely accepted. The realms around them tend to use them over their own coins.

Im talking about the common folk and merchants, of course

Like how in argentina they prefer to use the dollar than their own coin

>>35616255
>gods getting their yiff on.
i laughed

>>35616255
nice one anon. this is my new headcannon

>>35616270
would it be the gods as glorious animals, or bestiality with glorious animals?

or just the gods creating their favorite type of furry? which btw is only 10% furry

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>>35616350
>would it be the gods as glorious animals, or bestiality with glorious animals?

>>35616350
>would it be the gods as glorious animals, or bestiality with glorious animals?
Both

>>35615288
I like the way you think

>>35616366
im gonna save that pic for if at any time someone asks
"Lyann or Mako?"
"Mai or Ami?"
"Zoe or Stella?"

>>35616268

Generally things like credit, reasonable interest rates, general economic knowledge and turning it into more of a statistic did not exist until the 1800's.

It still sucks for prediction and is better for analysis.

Of course, with Okaba's knowledge of curses, it might be possible to have custom magic items created for use in lending that are

'You have a strong compulsion to pay back this debt within the reasonable time frame.
'If you are unable to do so, you must notify the lender as soon as possible within reason'
'Breaking the terms causes X annoying thing to happen, until you attempt or intend to follow the above'

>>35616479
that sounds fair to me
and fun

>>35616691

Welcome to Lightbringer bank.

It would so not work with us as the face of the bank, yet.

Although I guess with our charisma and appearance we tend to get people to listen to us naturally now.

>>35609841
that is quite a lot of unsettled land / minor kingdoms.
perfect for a little conquering spree.

>>35616913
Go full Genghis Khan on them? But with more science rather then less.

>>35616940
KAAAAHN!
yes, definitely
that or alexander the great.

>>35616913
there's a reason for that their needs to be a dungeon to be turned into a foodgeon

>>35616950
I really hope we don't end up barely a quarter to our goal and die horribly on our bed.

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>>35616953
yeah, theyre mostly very minor realms, or rather, just tribal lands unless they had a foodgeon.

Its a vital part of why devadasi are VERY respected

>>35616953
That is for unsettled lands, not for small kingdoms.
And foodgeons can be produced, not even that expensive.

>>35617000
it is expensive for a small group of 3 villages under one feudal lord

>>35616996
well, it takes 7 devadashi to make a foodgeon, yes?
Can a male be a devadashi?

We already have Lyann, make eldrick one too, Zoe and Stella. that is 4 already
Mako is on the road towards becoming one. we just need 2 more.

And while our parents might and granpa might object to us going to the front lines and fighting a war. they probably would allow us to found a new city on the borderlands to expand our nations borders.

>>35617033
Yes, of course. I phrased it poorly
I meant its not that expensive for a major nation or a high level adventurer

>>35617000

Need several 10k gold to make a quality foodgen, need to keep trying to get it.

Not cheap, especially since classic style farming is not well known here.

Wonder what food gotten from level 30_ would be, would it be like legendary chicken wings?

Legendary spices?

>>35617077
10k? mmm, I think I might have misread the instructions

Although looking at it
100MP – Dungeon manipulation. You can create dungeons or change the type of monsters spawning
inside them within one category of itself. This takes 10 hours of continuous dancing on top of the floor to be affected or dungeon wot be created, and requires the participation of at least 7 devadasi and the sacrifice of offerings worth at least 500g per floor.
Type 0 – Empty/Special. You can convert an empty, at least 20 floors-deep dungeon-like structure into a growing dungeon with random-type monsters spawning on every floor. The
structure must be underground, have a single entrance and be otherwise inaccessible. The monsters will be of the same level as their floor depth, and the dungeon's inner layout will be randomly rearranged once the process is complete. Once a dungeon has been created, it includes a Dungeon Heart and Dungeon God or Dragon in the deepest floor, and grows deeper and more complex as time goes on.
There is a possibility that a dungeon that grows deep enough will begin expanding laterally, and may even give birth to other dungeons.
Type 1 – Animal, Beast, Plant-type monsters
Type 2 – Insect and Construct-type monsters
Type 3 – Ooze and Humanoid-type monsters
Type 4 – Traps and Construct-type monsters
Type 5 – Holy and Undead-type monsters
Type 6 – Dragon and God-type monsters

Ok, so this confuses me a bit.
Can you create a single floor type 1 dungeon, but it won't be an expanding one? Or is every dungeon created has to be type 0 initially?
How many floors can you modify at once?

also... since there is a dungeon heart, I am wondering if it is possible to relocate baby dungeons

>>35617273

I think it was stated in one of the threads

>Well, from what Honoria explains to you, you can adjust the TYPE of monster that will spawn, but not the exact monster. You can hure the church's devadasi to dance several times if you really absolutely positively HAVE TO get a special spawn, but that would cost 10K per try and reroll the entire dungeon

Post number 35413745

>>35617053
>Can a male be a devadashi?
sure, just like a female can be a priest, albeit they would be called shrine maiden instead of priest

>>35617077
>Wonder what food gotten from level 30_ would be, would it be like legendary chicken wings?
>>Legendary spices?
would be higher quality and/or quantity

>>35617273
>500g per floor
>a dungeon must have a minimum of 20 floors
you missed that, I think

>>35617077
>Wonder what food gotten from level 30_ would be, would it be like legendary chicken wings?
Would have the coronel's secret spices
>Legendary spices?
would be the coronel's secret spices

And Nuke-Cola.
And I wish I remembered all the other colas from fallout

>>35617522
>you missed that, I think
I saw that, i was just confused by it being "type 0" and the fact that it said "growing"

The way i read it your options were
>Make a 20+ floor dungeons that can grow
or
>Make a 1-19 floor dungeon that can't grow

But thank you for clarifying.

Can you please clarify floor changing then, how does that work out? how many floors can you do at once (minimum and maximum)?

>>35617579

Looks like I shoudl go ahead and archive some of the other quest threads, some of them are missing.

>>35617579
i found them for you
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Nuka-Cola
Nuka-Cola
Ice cold Nuka-Cola
Nuka-Cola Quantum
Nuka-Cola Clear
Nuka-Cola Quartz
Nuka-Cola Victory
Cherry Nuka-Cola
Classic Nuka-Cola
Yellow Nuka-Cola
Fusion Cola

>>35617273
>Ok, so this confuses me a bit.
>Can you create a single floor type 1 dungeon, but it won't be an expanding one?
No, a dungeon must be at least 20 floors deep, and you can reroll specific floors by having the devadasi dance in them for 7 hours. Of course, with heavy escort. This is why their passive gives them lots of hp.
>Or is every dungeon created has to be type 0 initially?
Yes, they start as an empty structure. Later they can be fine tuned into whatever you need
With enough money, you can just have the devadasi dance on the surface a 1/2 dozen times and make sure every floor is a type 1, of course, by paying for all the floors at the same time, every time

>How many floors can you modify at once?
how much money do you want to spend?

>>35617522
I just realized something about Beastmen.

Their growth can be accelerated by levels, but if, say, a 1 year old grows into the equivalent of a 15 year old, do they spend the next 14 years as a 15 year old, or do they grow normally from there?

This has very large ramifications on memory retention and learning.

>>35617620
>Can you please clarify floor changing then, how does that work out?
You get the devadasi to dance on top of, or on, the floor you want to change
>how many floors can you do at once (minimum and maximum)?
At least one, and the whole dungeon if you want (and thats the safest way since you can dance on the surface) but it is of course paying for all the floors at the same time

>>35617659
>Yes, they start as an empty structure. Later they can be fine tuned into whatever you need
>With enough money, you can just have the devadasi dance on the surface a 1/2 dozen times and make sure every floor is a type 1, of course, by paying for all the floors at the same time, every time
wait, how does this even work?

The way I understand it
>Step 1 - dig 20 floor area
>Step 2 - pay 10k gold and make it into random dungeon
>Step 3 - change every floor you want changed for 500g a piece into animal-plant type. repeat that until it gives a food drop

Where does the dancing on the surface come up and how does it cost extra?

>>35617734
dancing on the surface happens at step 2

Eldric has almost 6k hp, many times that of his dad. Lyann has about 5k. Ami/Mai bot have 1.4k. Mako is squishy, she only has ~700. I would feel better if we got her to 2k base too.

>>35617789
I am still amazed okabas
IIRC he has like 300 or 30 hp and deals 2500 hp per attack
guy is a serious glass cannon.

>>35617789
We had several weeks of offscreen dungeoning.

I would expect us to focus on unlocking all T1 jobs for everyone we're working with, and getting all of those leveled. Which shouldn't take long - it took one day to get lyann from 1 to 20 mamluk.

>>35617677
>they spend the next 14 years as a 15 year old?
yes

Their learning speed is also significantly boosted. If given the chance they will catch up to their bodies in a couple of weeks. In a nice environment, of course, that means a 15yrs old with very little malice and lots of innocence, but out in the wild, it means a feral child

>>35617734
>>Step 1 - dig 20 floor area
yes
>>Step 2 - pay 10k gold and make it into random dungeon
yes
>>Step 3 - change every floor you want changed for 500g a piece into animal-plant type. repeat that until it gives a food drop
No. If it is a type 7 you can change it into a type 6 or 8. You can change them by one degree, each time rerolling the type of monster is spawns

That means that by dancing 7 times at most, you can change every floor to a type 1

Level 20 boss chickens are no laughing matter!

Dungeon boss "Dragon Chicken"

>>35617800
is why Aura sticks to him in combat. Her janissary abilities allow her to redirect to her any damage that goes his way, and she has a fair amount of hp, even without cards

>>35617833
I see, but normally only floors 1-5 are modified because of cost, yes?

Althoough if it is 7 steps away it would cost 17500 g to change floors 1-5 to type 1.
It sounds like in such a case its better to kill the dungeon and make a new one and hope to roll better.
and killing it will hopefully refund some of the cost (via dungeon heart loot drop)

>>35617833

Well now that we can reveal our powers to trusted friends, it should be easier to get Mako some more hp by picking up some t1 classes and leveling to 10-15. We also have to card her armor. Succubus/Incubus/Kobold combo.

Need to make her tanky so she is harder for malovent assassins.

>>35617833
Would something like raising beast children to 12-14 years old and teaching them damn near everything be ethical?

>>35617919
>I see, but normally only floors 1-5 are modified because of cost, yes?
yes

Have dance.
Send adventurers/guiards to check the first 5 floors
Repeat as needed

And cmon you arent gonna find a god, demon or dragon on floors 1-5

>>35617954
ethics are not the same as moral
Im gonna say yes
It is ethical in the sense it is not illegal
If we started a breeding pit to get more children to raise that way, I would say it is immoral
But it would still not be illegal

To me ethic = law

>>35618020
>To me ethic = law
okay, fine: is it moral?

Like, making it standard practice for beastmen families. Sort of a Family Planning thing for when you normally have children.

>>35618020
>And cmon you arent gonna find a god, demon or dragon on floors 1-5
oh, so each level gets its own random monster selection, instead of it being the same for the entire dungeon?

also, aren't succubi demons? can a dungeon spawned succubi/incubus leave a dungeon?

or wait, you said that when a dungeon dies, all its monsters that haven't been killed remain behind and become regular creatures instead of dungeonspawn... is that the source of some of the races? like are all of havel's demons descendents from such dungeon refugees?

>>35618020
>ethics are not the same as moral
>ethic = law
that really isn't what the word means

Ethic = Ethics, sometimes known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct
Law = Law is, generally, a system of rules which are enforced through social institutions to govern behaviour

>>35618058
>>35618020

It seems that the beastman aging up wold be most useful and used with deliberation in a more nomadic society. If a lot of normal gathers die they may level up the kids some for the survival of the tribe.

Creating a bunch of them and breeding them to me is questionable, even if buying them or freeing them for use in military

>>35618058
Of course my example of running a breeding pit to get an army of beastmen its not moral

Now, if you are talking about assaulting a breeding pit and rescuing the slaves then raising them, sure.

Wouldnt be ethical tho, you are stealing other people's properties and lives (probably)

By the Way:>>35618099

The difference between ethics and morals can seem somewhat arbitrary to many, but there is a basic, albeit subtle, difference. Morals define personal character, while ethics stress a social system in which those morals are applied. In other words, ethics point to standards or codes of behavior expected by the group to which the individual belongs. This could be national ethics, social ethics, company ethics, professional ethics, or even family ethics. So while a person’s moral code is usually unchanging, the ethics he or she practices can be other-dependent.

And im not sure on what you mean by making it standard

>>35618061
actually now im wondering about how convenient it would be to make it so dragons, gods and demons spawned with levels 1 to 5

High quality drops with little risk

Yes, you can find succubi in dungeons. I thought about having you find some on friday but i decided that the shock of finding Zoe would be big enough already, no need to ram a maul to your souls by having you kill succubi, yet

And no, dungeon monsters are not "natural" they cant wander off the dungeons
Cant even wander off their floors

Yes, they would become "free" if you killed the dungeon heart

And yes, that is a interesting theory

>>35618131
i think you are right. Good way to replace losses

>>35618163

The question on fighting sentient beings in a dungeon, like Succubi, can they leave a dungeon and can you negociate with them in the dungeon.

>>35618163
>Wouldnt be ethical tho, you are stealing other people's properties and lives (probably)
justified by those people stealing people's freedom and lives (the slaves)
ethics allow for punishing of criminals

>>35618163
>Now, if you are talking about assaulting a breeding pit and rescuing the slaves then raising them, sure.
Damnit, I'm not talking about breeding pits or slaves!

What do you think about raising children that you NORMALLY have this way? As in, a married couple having a child.

>>35618214
>can they leave a dungeon?
Only if the dungeon heart is taken out
>can you negociate with them in the dungeon.
I honestly havent decided on it... but im gonna say it depends on how crazy they have gone by being killed and respawned several times, maybe thousands of times.

I think im not gonna drop sentient monsters on the party, inside dungeons, at least for a few years

>>35618163
>actually now im wondering about how convenient it would be to make it so dragons, gods and demons spawned with levels 1 to 5
>High quality drops with little risk
why would it be high quality loot?
I figured it would be like, micro dragons and sickly imps
and the loot they drop is trash in comparison to a level 20 imp

to make the comparison
10,000 year wood is top tier wood
balsa wood is bottom tier

you already said a level 20 chicken will drop suitably high quality food items

>>35618247
ah

i have no idea. Its an interesting thought, would really help to mark how different they think from humans.

Its a lot easier to take care of a 12 years old than it is to take care of a 1-2 years old

Just have them grow and then suffer for a couple of weeks while their minds catch up.

I dont know. Thats the answer i have

But it would make the breeding pits less horrible if the beastmen forced their children to grow when given the chance, i guess

>>35618274
>I honestly havent decided on it... but im gonna say it depends on how crazy they have gone by being killed and respawned several times, maybe thousands of times.
wait, it is the same creature? oh man, I just assumed its a new creature being spawned every time.

Also, I personally assumed that they are mentally bound to the dungeon so they lack the will and drive of a fully sapient person until they are freed by the dungeon's death

would make for an interesting offshoot quest though
>You are an incubus
>Your dungeon heart died
>For the first time, your mind is yours and you can independently think.
>What do?

>>35618274

Ok, that is just wrong. They are slaves to the fucking dungeon. They could talk with adventurers, however they may of been killed each, dozens to thousands of times, doomed to respawn and die agian. They have nothing to do in the dungeon, no materials as they are trapped to that floor. They should just be straight batty.

The only way to free them is to destroy the dungeon.

>>35618327
I don't think that the forced growth is what makes the breeding pits horrible
you can have slave breeding pits with humans and it would be just as awful

>>35618327

Probably the beastman just have the kids go through accelerated growth depending on circumstances. More wild, where contributing to a tribe could be life or death, they likely age them up to first 3ish, wait a month, then 5ish, wait a month, ect, spacing it out until they hit ~12-15 and start training them to help the tribe.

City based ones, they likely let them age normally as pressures are not nearly as bad, and enjoying a normal childhood might be fine.

They would consider the breeding pit style aging an athema however.

>>35618303
oh you are right

Like shocker lizards... and that explains the kobolds

Kobolds are obviously low level dragons

>>35618338
hah, i would like to follow that quest

could use the same system, too. Would be fun to have several quests using this system for coherency

>>35618356
yes

>>35618400
sounds good. Would help explain why Brass was rather impassive about Stella aging to 8 from 4. For his culture, its just normal to have the youths age in small bits to help the group

>>35618463
>Kobolds are obviously low level dragons
Ha! I like

>>35618463

Hell, why not as a parent, give birth, enjoy a week with your kid, and go right to 3 or 4years old, skipping the terrible 2's Then you teach them speech, walking and movement some. Then you can ~3-5 months later get them 8 where they can now help around the tribe more easily after a month or so more of teaching.

Then just push more depending on outside pressure.
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I just imagine when Lyann gets to be about 15 or 16. Some pervert gropers her and she slaps them so hard she almost breaks there jaw. (232str right now, I can see having 400+ by then)

>>35618370
would probably be more horrible

Humans dont fast-grow so they had a lifetime to get sensibilities and develop a sense of identity and such.

Not defending the breeding pits here, just saying that it cant be denied that a fast grown child would be pretty much just an animal in a mental sense. Its really not that different from breeding any other animal

We are horrified because they grow into sentient beings, and thats what makes it horrible,

Otherwise you would have to go and kill every farmer everywhere who has a coop or a barn.

Its a crime when done against sentient beings.
The beastmen become sentient beings
Its a crime because their children are beiong abused

Breeders will argue that they are not sentient "yet"

of course its horrible, im just trying to imagine how they justify it to themselves. People can rationalize the most horrible shit

>>35618567
ive been thinking on exactly what those numbers entail

Maybe its how many lbs you can lift?

>>35618593
>Breeders will argue that they are not sentient "yet"
Yes, but when they become sentient they will remember. A cow never grows up to become sapient