“Well there’s lots of people to talk to” you try “Me, Sofia, Matthias, Rising Moon, Nicolvren.”

“You’re all busy with grown up stuff” says Ebby, waving her hand dismissively “Nico is never here and Moonie is stooooopid.”

Seems Ebby is feeling a bit lonely. Thinking about it, she only goes into town when she’s with you, and doesn’t mix much with the gaggle of children that live in the castle – the families of the guards and servants.

>I can’t solve this
>Give Rising Moon a chance
>I’ll talk to Nicolvren, maybe you can visit her
>I’ll include you more in what I’m doing
>Try playing with the castle kids
>Try making friends in town
>Other

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Metapost

Last thread there was a hotly contested vote, I apologise for misinterpreting the results, and thank the people who corrected me.

It was my fault for not making the voting options clear enough. I will try to avoid doing so in future.

I believe that if the issue comes up again it is best left to a Final Destination vote – with appropriate warnings in advance – rather than left in the hands of a single player. I was asking if people wanted to leave it in one players hands, not suggesting that they do so.

I’d rather have players unhappy with me for putting something to a vote and/or miscounting a vote than for them to take it out on another player.

This thread there may be longer delays between posts, I’m trying to clean the house today.

Please accept this artwork in apology.

End Metapost

fuck yeah.

>>35449326
>Give Rising Moon a chance
>I’ll talk to Nicolvren, maybe you can visit her
>I’ll include you more in what I’m doing
>Try playing with the castle kids
>Try making friends in town
All of the things.

>>35449326
>Give Rising Moon a chance
>Try playing with the castle kids
>Try making friends in town

>>35449391
Not sure if I want our little sister going into town unsupervised.

>>35449468
then, have her be supervised.

>>35449468
and it's not like she can't call us when she is in trouble.

>>35449509
I'm more worried about her being the trouble, really.

Not because I think she'd be that reckless normally, but she's immature and she could be goaded into displaying her draconic abilities (mainly the breath weapon) by one of her new friends, to the detriment of nearby property.

And powerful magic can still block the telepathy.

>>35449326
>>Give Rising Moon a chance
>>I’ll talk to Nicolvren, maybe you can visit her
>>I’ll include you more in what I’m doing
>>Try playing with the castle kids
>>Try making friends in town

Do you really expect us to not choose everything?

ok, roll 1d20+10 for parenting

Use Voice on Ebby?

Y/N

Voice is +10 to the check, it's not mind-control, but you may or may not be comfortable using it on those you are close to.

Rolled 12 + 10 (1d20 + 10)

>>35449614
N

Rolled 13 + 10 (1d20 + 10)

>>35449614
N

Rolled 20 + 10 (1d20 + 10)

>>35449614
N

>>35449645
I am based parent/olderbrotherinsister'sbody

“Well you’re old enough to spend more time with the grown-ups” you say “I’ll see what I can include you in.”

“Another battle?” says Ebby, hope shining in her eyes.

“Hopefully not” you respond.

“Awww” says the young dragon.

“Or you could go visit Nicolvren” you suggest

“Can I?” asks Ebby “Really?”

“Sure” you say “Just let me know if there’s any danger.”

Ebby rolls her eyes at you like you just said the most obvious thing ever “Of course.”

“We’re gonna have so much fun!” say Ebby to herself “Gonna raid some orcs, gonna talk about stuff, gonna stay up late....”

“You could also give Rising Moon a chance” you say “He’s still learning – this place is very different to his home.”

Ebby shrugs “I guess” you get the impression that she wasn’t really listening to that part, as she’s too focused on visiting Nicolvren.

“Also there’s the castle kids” you say “They’re older than Milli and Vivi.”

“They said their parents said they can’t play with the Barons kids” complains Ebby “Because of if I did get hurt the other kids would get punished.”

“I wouldn’t punish them” you protest.

“It’s what their parents said” claims Ebby

“Well how about the kids in town?” you suggest.

Ebby perks up a bit at this “You mean I can go into town on my own whenever I want?”

>Yes
>Only when supervised
>I’ll talk to the castle kids parents
>Ok, no playing with the castle kids
>Other

When Ebonsong is visiting Nicolvren

>Be careful (no specific restrictions)
>No raiding orcs
>No staying up late
>Other

>>35449673
>Yes
>Be careful

As a dark dragon, staying up late is best for her raiding. Camouflage, yeah?

Also, she's mature enough to not need constant watch.

>>35449673
>Only when supervised

>No raiding orcs (seriously stress the importance of this!)
>No staying up late

>>35449708
....Okay fine, anon, she's mature enough to not need constant watch. but no raiding or staying up late.

awaiting tie-break or hivemind, or I pick

>>35449699
Black dragons tend to have slightly reflective scales, more so than most dragons, so it'd actually make her really easy to spot by moonlight.

Aside from that, pure black tends to be pretty bad as far as night camouflage goes, it's important to break up an outline.

She's mature enough that she won't start something in town by herself, but her arrogance might get the better of her if one of her friends tries to goad her into showing off.

Okay anon, what if yes to staying up later (also look up if black dragons are nocturnal) but no to raiding?

so...

Yes to going into town on her own
No raiding
But staying up late is ok

Do I have that right?

>>35449673
>>35449752
>Yes, but don't do anything reckless, and no using your powers unless you're in danger.

>No raiding orcs until you're older.

>>35449801
I think it's just one anon trying to reason with another, rather than further votes.

>>35449801
i dunno but just to be clear >>35449775
is not a vote but me trying to reach a compromise with other anon.

>>35449801

I don't want to forbid her from raiding. She's a dragon, after all, and being accompanied will ensure her safety.

>>35449673
>Yes
>Be careful (no specific restrictions)

As long as someone goes with her, like Nicolvren or Shahulzer, I have no problem with raiding.

Taking only greentext votes, I think this is right

“You can go into town on your own” you say “But don’t do anything reckless and only use your powers to defend yourself.”

“Of course” says Ebby with a snort, as if to ridicule the very idea that she would use them for anything else.

“Whilst you’re with Nicolvren” you say “No raiding orcs, I mean it.” You emphasise this as Ebby opens her mouth to protest “Not until you’re older.”

“Ok” she says, a little subdued, then she starts up saying what she and Nicolvren will be doing instead.

“And no raiding beastmen either” you clarify, as you catch on to her plans.

Still, Ebby seems happier, though you wonder if Nicolvren will thank you for this...

We can revisit the raiding thing later.
-----------------------------------

Grax Twosmall is still a puzzle to you in many ways. He seems to have gotten over his anger about the ogres dying in the battle against the orc and beastmen armies, and he does any task that’s asked of him without complaint.

But he’s aloof, and keeps to himself a lot of the time. Still, one day you manage to get him talking.

“You want to know how I’m doing?” he asks in response to your enquiry “I’m being ignored, I’m being held back! I’m tougher than any of your guards and yet when I asked to be made into a squad leader, the guard captain told me I wasn’t ready.”

He continues, a little calmer “Look, I’ll go where you want me to go, and fight who you want me to fight – my clan leader made that clear, but” he says “I can do more, just give me a chance.”

>Sounds like the guard captain was right
>I’ll have you promoted
>I’ll talk to the captain, but no promises
>We’ll find something else to keep you busy (spying on the orcs)
>We’ll find something else to keep you busy (other task, what?)
>Other

>>35449866
but now isn't a safe time. demon orc guy is still out and about.

>>35449866
The problem is that if one of the orcs hurts her, we'll have to interfere.

And then there won't be any left for Nicolvren to raid.

>>35449881
>Being tougher doesn't necessarily mean being good at commanding other people as a squad leader, did he say why you weren't ready yet?

>>35449881
>>I’ll have you promoted
How about promoting him into an independent squad which does force recon for us in the mountains/orc territory? We still need to find those 3 nodes.

>>35449881
>I’ll talk to the captain, but no promises

>>35449881
>Being tougher doesn't necessarily mean being good at commanding other people as a squad leader, did he say why you weren't ready yet?

hey pally, when i change my vote, would you rather I delete my vote and re do it or just link my vote saying that i'm changing it?

>>35449952
Please link to your vote, and to the original post.

Nested votes get confusing and deleted votes more so.

If you're clearly saying which is you, and linking to a post of mine, I can more easily track votes.

ok, please roll Fellowship 1d20+14

Rolled 17 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35449992

Rolled 16 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35449992

Rolled 13 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35449992

“Being tougher doesn't necessarily mean being good at commanding other people as a squad leader” you say “did he say why you weren't ready yet?”

Grax shakes his head “He just said I wasn’t reliable” he says “But didn’t explain.”

“I’ll talk to him” you say “Maybe I can find out why.”

Later you are talking to the head of your guards, Captain Hollins – he’s been with you less than a year after the Palace reassigned the first captain they sent, and you don’t know Hollins that well.

He’s been a good guard captain and you have no complains, but he’s over 50, and you wonder if maybe he shouldn’t be retiring soon.

You find him overseeing some recruits training.

“Baroness” he gives a bow

“Captain Hollins” you say “I wanted to talk about Grax”

He grimaces “In my office perhaps” he suggests

“Of course” you say, following him into the guard commanders office.

“I’m sure he spun you a lovely tale” says Hollins “Baroness, but I urge you not to interfere with who I promote, it would be bad for morale.”

“I understand” you say “But why didn’t you promote Grax – what are his failings?”

“He’s just not ready” says Hollins stubbornly “He’s not reliable.”

Fellowship: You think Hollins is hiding something

>Ok, I won’t interfere
>I’m promoting Grax anyway
>Grax can do something else
>What other reasons are there Hollins?
>Other

>>35450017
>What other reasons are there Hollins?

>>35450017
>What other reasons are there Hollins?

>>35450017
>What other reasons are there Hollins?

>>35450017
>>Grax can do something else
>>What other reasons are there Hollins?

“What other reasons are there Hollins?” you ask.

Hollins screws up his face “permission to speak freely Baroness?” he says stiffly.

“Of course” you say

“Grax is half-human” explains Hollins “I’ve worked with dregs like that before and they ain’t any good, oh they can fight” he concedes “But they’re lazy, stupid and can’t be trusted. I’ve worked with half-orcs what shoulda been in prison, not the kings army” he says “When all’s said and done they just ain’t like good honest human folk. Promoting him will be a mistake, mark my words.”

>Er, you know I’m not fully human either, right?
>Ok, I agree
>Grax gets promoted (order)
>I think you should give Grax a chance (persuade)
>I think I need a new guard captain..
>Other

>>35450115
>you know I’m not fully human either, right?
>I think you should give Grax a chance (persuade)
>Or at least test him and shape him into something you consider suitable.

>>35450115
>Er, you know I’m not fully human either, right?
>I think you should give Grax a chance (persuade)
>Or at least test him and shape him into something you consider suitable.

>>35450115

>you know I’m not fully human either, right?
>I think you should give Grax a chance (persuade)
>Or at least test him and shape him into something you consider suitable.

the hive mind is back.

Ok, roll Fellowship 1d20+19

Use Voice?

Y/N

Rolled 13 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>35450178
Y
Just to highlight the fact we are angelic.

Rolled 13 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>35450178
sure, why not

Rolled 6 + 19 (1d20 + 19)

>>35450178
>Finish long-ass write-in that's probably shit
>Votes over
Well dammit.

N

Rolled 2 + 19 (1d10 + 19)

>>35450178

>>35450211
Post it anyway, I might steal bits from it.

>>35450223
pally is based

>>35450223
Fair warning, it's pretty awful.

Because long write-ins a shit.

>"Let me tell you a story, captain."

>"Some time ago, I was sent to another plane through a magical accident, a plane ruled over by demons where the ideas of good, angels and gods were laughed at as things from a tale for children while slavery, oppression and prejudice were standard fare."

>"In this terrible place, I met a pair of people who were half-human: One of them was forced through the circumstances of the world he lived in and his childhood of slavery to be something he resented, and through my aid, he found redemption, becoming a champion of good who lives to protect others; The other was one who tried to change the world around her by working within it's confines, who genuinely wanted to make the world a better place and had already sacrificed much in pursuit of that goal. I now regard her as my sister."

>"They were both half-demons, the latter was the child of the Demon Lord who ruled that plane."

>"Discrimination against somebody for what they are serves no-one, everyone has the potential for greatness within them."

>>35450247
it's not bad.

>>35450247
> who were half-human
Drop that part, it would be better to not reveal that they're anything other than human before the reveal that they're half-demons.

“You know I’m not fully human either, right?” you ask

“Angels is different, Baroness” says Hollins dismissively.

“I think you should give Grax a chance” you say, as Hollins face sets into a stubborn expression you explain “I’m not ordering you to promote him, I want you to test him, and shape him into what you think a suitable commander should be like.”

“I realise you’ve seen poor behaviour in the past” you say “But I believe every person deserves a chance, I’m asking you to give Grax his chance, rather than dismissing him so easily.”

As you speak your voice takes on the charming, persuading quality that only an angel (or angel-blooded) can manage, urging him to agree with you.

Hollins face twitches as he struggles with this, you see a little something else is needed.
"Let me tell you a story, captain." You say

"Some time ago, I was sent to another plane through a magical accident, a plane ruled over by demons where the ideas of good, angels and gods were laughed at as things from a tale for children while slavery, oppression and prejudice were standard fare."

"In this terrible place, I met a pair of people who were half-human: One of them was forced through the circumstances of the world he lived in and his childhood of slavery to be something he resented, and through my aid, he found redemption, becoming a champion of good who lives to protect others; The other was one who tried to change the world around her by working within it's confines, who genuinely wanted to make the world a better place and had already sacrificed much in pursuit of that goal. I now regard her as my sister."

"They were both half-demons, the latter was the child of the Demon Lord who ruled that plane."

"Discrimination against somebody for what they are serves no-one, everyone has the potential for greatness within them."

Hollins finally gives in “Alright” he says, his eyes looking off into the distance as if reliving some memory “Yeah, everyone deserves a chance, even a poor kid from the slums after all” You’re not sure he meant to say all of that.

“Alright” he says, looking at you “Baroness, I’ll give him a chance.”

Nice one, I was going to have a dice roll to see if Hollins being an asshole was going to drive Grax off, instead it’s going to be more of a Cuba Gooding Jr/Robert DeNiro movie.

-------------------------------------

Twoblue is settling in as ambassador for her people, but seems depressed, and isn’t making many friends.

You get talking to her one day in the tower she’s claimed as her nest, the two of you reclining in hammocks made from spider silk.

“I mean” says Twoblue “I get that Jianxi has known him longer, but she’s not a shifter, she doesn’t understand how he sees the world, how he feels, how could she?”

Seems Twoblue is still pining over Matthias.

“I know she’s your friend and all” says Twoblue “But can’t you speak to her – make her see she’s wrong for him?”

“I’m not going to push them apart” you say “They seem happy together.”

“Oh” says Twoblue, sinking deeper into her hammock.

>I can’t help you
>I’ll talk to Matthias and Jianxi, maybe they don’t mind open relationships
>Plenty of other men around
>You’re a strong independent young werespider, you don’t need a man
>Bit young to be chasing guys aren’t you Twoblue?
>Other

>>35450302
what movie?

>>35450302
>>I’ll talk to Matthias and Jianxi, maybe they don’t mind open relationships
>Plenty of other men around

>>35450302
>You’re a strong independent young werespider, you don’t need a man (this isn't the lesbian option, right?)

>>35450302
>You’re a strong independent young werespider, you don’t need a man
>Plenty of other men around
I don't think
>I’ll talk to Matthias and Jianxi, maybe they don’t mind open relationships
Is something we should bring up unless we know they're thinking about it. Angle says "think about trying polly" is not fair on them.

>>35449338
And I apologize for confusing people with my claim that I'd rather take what AA suggested, even if that isn't what I was voting for.

I didn't mean to say that AA should be given authority to decide alone about who gets what children.

What I meant to say was this:
>There are a ton of different opinions. The merging them will produce a clusterfuck that no one is happy with.
>Many of the votes seem to have been same-fagged, further muddling the search for what the community actually wants.
>Many voters seem to be going directly against the spirit of the whole exercise, taking on all the bad issues that may arise without the potential benefits for Sireyi and her realm.
>Autism Anon made a reasonable post, even if he has a different opinion than I have.

Therefore I thought, that the best option for me would be for all the reasonable folk to rally against AA's post as a compromise instead of letting the samefaggers and trolls create the clusterfuck that they inevitably would.

I will also note, that this was before Pally decided to change the outcome from "Everyone gets normal children" to "Abort, no one gets anything."

Basically, what I'm saying is: If there was a simple vote like this:
>[ ] No one gets anything
>[ ] Clusterfuck amalgamation of all votes.
>[ ] AA's suggestion
Then I would vote for AA's suggestion.

This post is way too long.

>>35450310
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_of_Honor

>>35450319
No it's a "you don't need an SO right not, figure out who you are first" option

>>35450302
>You’re a strong independent young werespider, you don’t need a man

“You’re a smart young woman” you say to Twoblue “Maybe you should take the time to find out who you are before trying to find a lover.”

“I suppose” she says, not sounding convinced.

“There’s a whole town full of people to talk to” you say, “Find out a little about the world and yourself. Besides” you add “There’s plenty of men out there if that’s what you really want.”

That perks Twoblue up a little “Yeah, yeah I think I’ll go visit the town” she says “I’m not going to stay locked up here.”

“You might want to put some more clothes on though” you say, looking at her loincloth and chest wrap. “In fact” you add “perhaps a little clothes-shopping is in order. Let me get the girls...”

----------------------------------

Jianxi and Matthias are making good parents for Rising Moon. You catch up with them as they are teaching the young cat-folk how to sneak and hide in the keeps gardens. Seeing you approach Matthias breaks off his search for the boy and lopes over to you, a happy grin on his face.

Jianxi and Rising Moon are hidden somewhere in the gardens undergrowth, but even with your sharp eyesight you can’t spot them.

“Matthias” you greet your friend “How goes the stealth lesson?”

“Oh you know” he says “Rising Moon can fade into the background easily, but can’t mask his scent.”

“And you and Jianxi” you ask “How are you both doing?”

“Tired” he says with a smile “But happy”

“You do seem to make good parents” you say, as Matthias just laughs, and blushes slightly.

You see Jianxi and Rising Moon emerging from the bush, coming to meet you.

“So Rising Moon” you say “How are you settling in?”

He gives you a long look “It needs more trees” he explains “And spiders.”

>Spiders? Got a whole village of those, want to see?
>Matthias & Jianxi the two of you seem to be getting on well...
>You miss home at all Rising Moon?
>Jianxi, I have a question about those tattoos...
>Other

>>35450523
>>Spiders? Got a whole village of those, want to see?
Also a lonely ambassador. (Not setting them up as a couple, but they might become friends)

>>35450523
>Spiders? Got a whole village of those, want to see?
>Jianxi, I have a question about those tattoos...
>Are you finished copying them?

>>35450523
>>>Spiders? Got a whole village of those, want to see?
>>Matthias & Jianxi the two of you seem to be getting on well...
>>You miss home at all Rising Moon?
>>Jianxi, I have a question about those tattoos...

>>35450523
>Spiders? Got a whole village of those, want to see?

“Spiders?” you say to Rising Moon brightly “We’ve got a whole village of those, if you want to see them.”

Matthias grimaces and Jianxi laughs out loud as Rising Moon looks back and forth, trying to figure out what the joke is.

“Uh, I guess so” he says cautiously

“Excellent” you say “We’ll arrange a visit for you, in the mean time....”

You take Jianxi off to one side as Matthias and Rising Moon continue their game “how goes the copying of the tattoo scrolls?” you ask.

“All done” says Jianxi “You can take the scrolls back any time you want.”

“Good” you say “Those tattoos, would you be able to put them on someone else?”

“Of course” says Jianxi “What type do you want?”

“Nothing yet” you say “Just considering options.”

A look of understanding comes over Jianxi’s face “This is about your mother isn’t it?” she asks “And who can come with you.”

“Yes” you admit “But I’m not ready yet, and I’m not sure who should come with me.”

“Matthias and I are ready for anything” says Jianxi.

“I’ll just bet you are” you say in a teasing tone “and speaking of *Matthias and you*”

“Don’t” says Jianxi holding up a warning finger “I get enough of that from Jal.”

>Ok, I’ll drop it
>You and Jal eh?
>Oh so you’re not getting enough of it from Matthias then?
>We’ll hold onto the scrolls for now
>We’ll take them back as soon as we can
>Other

>>35450719
>We’ll take them back as soon as we can
Which isn't very soon, to be honest, but the thought counts.
>Ok, I’ll drop it
>Oh so you’re not getting enough of it from Matthias then?
Sireyis attempts at lewd teasing are always good for a laugh when they inevitably backfire.

>>35450719

>>You and Jal eh?

>We’ll take them back as soon as we can

Can someone fill me in on backstory for this post please? I missed most of this quest before the lords of life.

>>35450719
>>You and Jal eh?
Immediately followed by
>Ok, I’ll drop it

>We’ll take them back as soon as we can
They are not ours. Even if I fear that the only reason they have not yet sent assassins to kill us might be that they want to make sure the scrolls are safe first.
>Ask Jianxi if she wants to send a message with the scrolls.

>>35450829
Jianxi comes from a distant land thats ruled by a bunch of powerful clans. Her "Clan", she had been seperated from her parents since birth and we took her there to find her family, turned out to be basically the secret police of the country. Despite initial positive signs, it turned out they looked down on Jianxi because she had grown up abroad and only wanted to use her as breeding mare to keep the bloodline alive. We wanted to take her back and Jianxi insisted on taking revenge by stealing the secret scrolls of the Clan that taught powerful tatoos that enhance your abilities. We agreed to take them, since technically they belong to Jianxi too, but only under the premise we would give them back once Jianxi copied them, since otherwise it really would be stealing.

>>35450829
>Jianxi come from a family from Not!FantasyChina.
>When she was little a ship her family was on sank and everyone was assumed dead.
>She was raised as an orphan.
>She found her family. They see her as a disgrace because of her different upbringing.
>She stole the family scrolls on how to make awesome magical tattoos when it became clear that they wanted to turn her into a baby factory and kill everyone else in our party at the earlies opportunity.

>>35450719
>Ok, I'll drop it
>We'll take them back as soon as we can

“So you and Jal eh?” you ask, a teasing smile on your face.

Jianxi shakes her head “Honestly Sireyi” she says “You’re getting as bad as she is: grow up.”

“Alright” you say “Teasing is over, about the scrolls – we’ll take them back as soon as we can”

“Take all the time you need” says Jianxi “I really don’t care if they get them back or not.”

“So you don’t want to send a message to the family then?” you ask

“Oh sure I do” says Jianxi “The message is *I learned the Explosive Runes spell, neat huh?*”

“Well I suppose that’s a message of sorts” you concede “Not sure if it’s a good idea though.”

“Why must you spoil my fun?” asks Jianxi.

-------------------------------

You see Sofia regularly, as she runs your realm on your behalf.

One day when you go to see her she’s grumbling about the soldiers of Konig that guard their church.

“So of course they just beat the both of them!” exclaims Sofia to you “Ok, the two young men got drunk and tried to sneak into the church, but they should have turned them over to the town constable, not injure them so badly one of them could have died from a cracked skull.”

“I’ll talk to Ophilian” you promise “We’ll get it sorted out.”

“You do that” says Sofia “And tell her if the thugs of Konig do something like that again, I’ll have them arrested, church soldiers or not!”

You recall you said you’d speak to Sofia about her relationship with Konig.

>This isn’t the best time (talk about Mili instead)
>You know, you could go over Ophilians head on this one
>Maybe if you understood the Church of Konig a little more
>Sofia, enough delaying, I think you should talk to Konig
>Other

>>35450910
>This isn’t the best time (talk about Mili instead)
Did we tell her already about her paladin powers ?
>Maybe if you understood the Church of Konig a little more

And how is someone getting injured by guards when he tries to sneak into a not-public building a terrible transgression? Its pretty normal.

>>35450719
>>Oh so you’re not getting enough of it from Matthias then?
>>We’ll hold onto the scrolls for now
>Also, what's your opinion of Twoblue

muh shapeshifter OTP

>>35450910
>This isn’t the best time (talk about Mili instead)

>>35450952
>Did we tell her already about her paladin powers ?

I'd assume so, yes.

>And how is someone getting injured by guards when he tries to sneak into a not-public building a terrible transgression? Its pretty normal.

The intruders were injured after being caught, not during capture.

The beating was a punishment.

Technically within their legal rights to protect the church but a little heavy-handed.

>>35450993
Eh, I'm sure someone else here can bring up pity for them, I really can't. If you do stupid shit like that, you pretty much have it coming as far as I care.

Of course Sireyi wouldn't say that.

>>35450870
>>35450886
Thanks. I've picked up that the cast includes half demon (now angle) you love, dragon "sister," dragon from hell, stealth guy, magic tatoo person, two kids and a lot of others.
I'll catch up and I like having a world where the high level magic fits into how government works.

>>35450910

>>Sofia, enough delaying, I think you should talk to Konig
>>This isn’t the best time (talk about Mili instead)

Because we can talk about Mili after? PLease?

>>35451086
Its actually just Sireyis court thats so fucked up.
The Half-Demon used to be a vanilla human shortly before, for example.
The pastebin on "Party" has the rundown on all the important ones.

“How’s Mili doing?” you ask, thinking this isn’t the best time to bring up Sofia’s and Konigs relationship.

“She’s doing great” says Sofia with a proud smile “Looks like her Royal powers are going to be very strong.”

“But no signs of arcane magic?” you ask.

Sofia shakes her head “Nothing” she says “Isla thinks she can sense the potential in her, but dormant – maybe she’ll develop magical powers when she gets older.”

“Either way” you say “I’m sure she’ll grow up fine with you watching over her.”

Sofia beams “Thanks Sireyi.” She says, before she goes back to the realms paperwork and reports.

---------------------------

It’s always a good idea to check up on Jal from time to time, if only to see what’s the latest trouble she is involved in.

You find her stood on a ladder attempting to balance a bucket of water on top of the door to Ophilians room – set to fall on the first person through the door.

You don’t say anything, you just look at her.

“Helping the cleaning staff” explains Jal “Very dusty in here, must be all the spiders.”

“Do you take anything seriously Jal?” you ask

“I take lots of things seriously!” protests Jal “I take Sofia seriously, I take our Vivi seriously, I even take you seriously...sometimes.”

You laugh and shake your head “If Ophilian catches you...” you say

“She won’t” says Jal happily “I overhead Poppy threatening to do this ta Philly, so when Miss All Elf o’ the Year gets a dunking, I won’t be in derbies.”

“’Sides” says Jal, jumping down from the ladder “You want serious, try this”

And she goes down on her knees in front of you, bows her head and says “Make with the fizz, I pledge meself, blah blah, Paladin of Sireyi, that’s how it’s done, yeah?”

“What are you talking about?” you ask the kneeling elf, trying to figure out the joke.

Jal looks up at you “Wi’ Isla near-croaking” she explains “Got me thinking you and Sof are tough as rocks, but as innocent as babes, ya need me at yet back to tell when someone’s putting a caper on yer, but” she explains “I’m not all Holy Warrior-y and I’ll need ter be, if I’m going where yer going.”

>Ok fine, I’ll make you a Paladin as soon as I can
>You’re fine as you are
>We’ll get you some magical gear or something
>Have you thought about tattoos?
>I don’t think you coming with me to Hell is a good idea Jal
>Other

>>35451186
>Have you thought about tattoos?
>You’re fine as you are
>If I made you a Paladin, it wouldn't mean I necessarily take you with me to hell, I don't even think taking any paladins down there would be a good idea.

>>35451186
>Have you thought about tattoos?
>Being a paladin is not a profession, it's a calling.

I don't see a reason to talk about this with "everyone", its Jals decision, we need to talk to her more about it.

>>35451186
>You're fine as you are, but if you really want me to make you a paladin, I'll consider it, but only after we talk about it.
>If I made you a Paladin, it wouldn't mean I'd necessarily take you with me to hell; I don't even think taking any users of divine power down there would be a good idea.

The tattoos have an unknown drawback for users that aren't members of the ruling family.

>>35451186
>Being a paladin is not a profession, it's a calling.
>If you are truly serious about this, i will give it some thought and do it. Otherwise, we will get you magical gear.
>still no guarantee of taking you to hell.

Please roll Willpower 1d20+11 to enhance your calm

Rolled 9 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35451396

Rolled 13 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35451396
enhance your calm?

>>35451439
Keep your cool when Jal says/does something nutty.

Rolled 11 + 11 (1d20 + 11)

>>35451396

“I’m not sure yet who I’ll be taking with me” you say “And I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to take anyone with divine magic – that might stand out like a signal fire in fog in the midst of Hell.”

“Besides, being a Paladin isn’t a profession” you say “It’s a calling – it’s not something you can just become on a whim.”

“Yeah” says Jal “But yer the Goddess right? So you get ta decide who gets called, so call me already.”

“Jal....” you say, exasperated.

Jal jumps to her feet “I gotta go with yer” she says “I feel like, like if I dun, it’ll be the last time I’ll see ya.”

“I’m not promising anything” you say “But have a word with Jianxi – the tattoos she creates might be of use to you.”

“Oh yeah?” asks Jal with a sly smile “A tattoo of a certain angel wi’ no clothes across me back? Sounds good.”

You know you mustn’t respond otherwise she’ll just insist on that as a tattoo, you need to keep your cool, keep your calm.

“If that’s what you want” you say in a level voice “I’m sure Jianxi will consider it.”

Jal looks at you as if trying to gauge your reaction “nah” she decides “smaller ones are easy ter hide and disguise after all.”

You’ve been meaning to talk to Isla at some point about her...loss of composure...when you retrieved the Elemental Nodes.

You find Isla in her workshop, trying out new spell combinations – she does that a lot these days.

After watching her work uninterrupted for a few minutes you cough, Isla starts and then notices you.

“Sireyi” She says with a grin “I didn’t see you there.”

“How have you been feeling, any lasting side effects from....”

“Ah” says Isla, holding up a finger and hopping off the stool she was sat on “I know what you’re about to say, and I want to assure you that it won’t happen again, I was upset and angry and the squid tore my clothes off, I won’t be a burden to you in a fight again.”

>Well, good
>I’m worried about *you* not how you handle yourself in a fight
>Any other side-effects?
>Thought about reading the other Tomes?
>I’ve been thinking about a Paladins Code for you Isla...
>Other

>>35451531
>I’m worried about *you* not how you handle yourself in a fight
>Any other side-effects?

>>35451531
>I’m worried about *you* not how you handle yourself in a fight
>Thought about reading the other Tomes?

>>35451531
>>35451560
>>Thought about reading the other Tomes?
This was supposed to be
>Any other side-effects?

>>35451531
>I’ve been thinking about a Paladins Code for you Isla...
Something about self mastery.
>Any other side-effects?

>>35451531
>I’m worried about *you* not how you handle yourself in a fight
>Any other side-effects?
>Would you like to help me analyze the effects of the tomes more, I was thinking about reading one myself.

>>35451640
You need more than that for a Paladin's code, otherwise why bother?

>>35451531
>I’m worried about *you* not how you handle yourself in a fight
>I’ve been thinking about a Paladins Code for you Isla...

Paladins Code? Oh my~

Unless someone really has a reasonable list of stuff for a paladin code, we might as well not bother at this point and just trust in Islas good sense.

“I’m not worried about you in a fight Isla” you say “I’m worried about you, and how you’re doing.”

Isla looks down “Ok, I think” she says “I think the Tome had a bigger effect than we first thought – I see such wonderful things in my head, all the things I can do with magic, but sometimes I get a little lost.”

She looks at you “Does that make any sense?”

“I think so” you say “Any other side effects?”

“I’ve not been sleeping much” admits Isla “But thanks to the gifts you gave me I don’t think it’s had any effect on my health, I’ve been staying up late reading a lot – I find I want to know...everything”.

“That doesn’t sound too bad” you concede

“So” asks Isla “Am I going to have to have to follow a Paladin Code of some kind? Jal was asking me about that last week I think.”

“I’ve not given it much thought” you admit.

Oh ok” responds Isla, and then casually, perhaps a little too casually “What do you plan on doing with the other two Tomes?”

>No plans yet
>Why?
>I was going to read them
>You can read them if you want
>Other

>>35451789
>No plans yet
>Why?

>>35451789
>No plans yet
>Why?
>I had considered reading one of them

>>35451789
>I was going to read one
>Why?

>>35451789
Let's lay of the tomes for a bit, just in case.

Please roll Fellowship 1d20+14

Rolled 7 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35451956

Rolled 2 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35451956

>>35451789
What do you mean by "I find I want to know...everything?" Isn't that what the tomes gave you?

Rolled 8 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35451956

Rolled 11 + 14 (1d20 + 14)

>>35451956

what would happen if you used that 2?

“What do you mean by wanting to know...everything? Isn't that what the tomes gave you?” you ask

“Oh not everything” says Isla “a wealth of arcane knowledge yes, but focused, not a breadth of information – I know almost everything there is to know about arcane magic, but it didn’t teach me anything other than that.”

“I was considering reading one of the Tomes” you say “Though I have no firm plans yet, why?”

Isla wrings her hands a bit “I think” she starts “I think the Tomes are meant to be read as a set” she says “I think they won’t be as useful if read by different people.”

She gathers herself and then says “I think I should read the remaining two Tomes”.

Fellowship: Isla does want to read the Tomes, but the reason she gives...doesn’t sound like the truth.

>Ok, you can read both
>You can read one (which?)
>I’ll read them
>No one is reading them
>Other

>>35452035
You would think Isla was telling the truth

>>35452060
>Isla, please be honest with me. You know you can.
>We will see about the one about artifice, later, once we can be sure nothing worse will come out of reading two of them if one already has a effect like this.

>>35452060
>I will read one and decide on the other later.

Nope.

>>35452060
>What is the real reason?
>if anyone reads the necromancy tome, it will be me, I will not risk it on anyone else, too dangerous.

>>35452060
>Isla, please be honest with me. You know you can.

>>35452060
>Isla, please be honest with me. You know you can.
>if anyone reads the necromancy tome, it will be me, I will not risk it on anyone else, too dangerous.

“Isla” you say clearly “Please be honest with me, you know you can.”

“I-I-I” she stutters, and then it all comes out “I think I’m addicted to knowledge!” she cries out, tears starting to form in her eyes “I read all the time not because I can’t sleep, but because I *need* to know everything.”

Tears start to roll down her cheeks “I know reading either of the other Tomes would be bad for me, but I still want to know what’s in them, Sireyi, help me.”

You hug her whilst whispering comforting words to her “It’s alright” you say “We’ll find a way to deal with this together.”

Isla hugs you tightly, as if holding onto the only solid thing in the world “I wish I’d never read that damn Tome” she says bitterly “Lock them away where no one can see them.”

It’s probably best if no one goes near the Tomes right now.

You keep an eye on Isla over the next few weeks, she seems to have control over her lust for knowledge, for now.

--------------------

Some weeks later....

This looks like trouble – Isla, Jal and Sofia all corner you to talk to you, in Isla’s bedroom no less.

“So we’ve been talking” says Sofia “About how you promised to marry Isla, and we’ve come to ask – why haven’t you proposed properly to me and Jal yet?”

The three girls look united, and determined, but not angry.

>It didn’t seem to be the right time
>I won’t be pushed into this (leave)
>Jal and Sofia, would you do me the honour of...
>So did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?
>Other

>>35452257
>So did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?
>It didn’t seem to be the right time

>>35452257
>So did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?
>It didn’t seem to be the right time

>addicted to knowloedge

We have a cure for that. It's called bimbofication

>>35452257
>So did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?
>It didn’t seem to be the right time

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>>35452312
Goddammit anon

>>35452257
"I'm sorry girls but I'm in love with Ricky!"
~SCREEEEEE~
"yes, of course I'll have premarital sex with you Ricky!"
But seriously, we need to buy the rings first.
>It didn’t seem to be the right time
>So did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?

>>35452471
>Buying the rings
We were going to make Celestial Iron rings, there's even a unique set of enchantments they can get.

“It never seemed like the right time” you explain “I mean first there was the war with the ocs and beastmen, then I had to go to the Drowned Lands.”

“Besides” you say “did you talk about how this is going to work, the four of us I mean?”

“We have” confirms Isla.

“And?” you ask

“And” says Jal, and she and Sofia take up positions on each side of Isla and wrap their arms around her “We’re very happy together the three of us – maybe you shoulda proposed before we got together, maybe there’s not room on the bed for a fourth” she winks at you though, as Isla blushes.

“What we’re trying to say” says Sofia, as Isla is distracted by stopping Jals hand creeping up her dress, “Is that if you won’t even ask us...”

And together the three young women say in unison “Sireyi, will you marry us?”

>Yes
>No
>I need to think about it

Optional
>We should marry as soon as possible
>We should marry once I’ve rescued my mother
>We should marry after (when?)
>We should marry on the condition that (what conditions?)

>>35452511
>Yes
>We should marry once I’ve rescued my mother

>>35452511
Not picking an option for the optional stuff lets them set the date.

>>35452511
>Yes
>We should marry once I’ve rescued my mother

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

>>35452511
>Yes
I'm thinking we should do it before we rescue our mother. If we perish on our journey they'll at least have had that time.

>>35452511
>Yes
>We should marry once I’ve rescued my mother

>>35452511
>>No
…Pause
>Just Kidding, I'd love to.

>>35452546
I want a proper wedding night.

>>35452511
This reminds me, we should add Sanctuary 3 to our Permanent Sanctuary.

>>35452602

City wide ceremony.

Transparent wedding dresses.

Poledancing in Velya's nightchurch.

>>35452511
>Yes
>We should marry once I’ve rescued my mother
Maybe we should explain to them the "wedding night" problematic, which play into this.

>>35452602
>>35452640
Hmm.. That is actually a good point. Carry on then.

“Yes I’ll marry you” you say “Of course I’ll marry all of you – if that’s what you want.”

“It is” says Isla

“Well then” you say “As soon as I’ve rescued my mother, we’ll set a date.”

“What?!” protests Jal “Why not sooner?”

“I want her there” you say firmly, and, you silently add to yourself: I’m not leaving 3 widows behind if I don’t come back.

“Well then” says Isla, pulling a bottle of wine and some glasses out from a cabinet “seems like we have something to celebrate – and we need to plan the wedding as well.”

“An’ tha ladies night out” says Jal “that’s the best part before a wedding, right?”

As the four of you prepare to raise glasses of wine in celebration Sofia says “Don’t worry, leave the planning of the wedding to us – you focus on finding your mother as soon as possible.”

“An’ leave the ladies night out ta me.” adds Jal

“To us” says Isla, as Sofia and Jal echo her, you say

>To us (agree to let them organise everything)
>I want to be involved in the wedding plans
>I want to be involved in the ladies night plans
>I’m not going on a ladies night, I’ve heard stories
>Jal is *not* planning the ladies night
>Other

>>35452777
>I want to be involved in the wedding plans

Every girl's dream.

Also, poledancing.

>>35452777
>I want to be involved in the wedding plans

>>35452843
Wait, that wasn't just a dumb joke?

In that case, opposed.

>>35452777
>To us (agree to let them organise everything)

>>35452860

It was. And as much as I'd like that to happen, I'm not fully for it. Would also be best left to Jal to organize, but she's already busy with the ladies night.

>>35452777
>I want to be involved in the wedding plans
>I want to be involved in the ladies night plans
>Jal is *not* planning the ladies night

>>35452777
>I want to be involved in the wedding plans
>I want to be involved in the ladies night plans

Make them both dedicated to Vaelya~

“I want to be involved in the wedding plans” you say, Isla and Sofia share a look and nod “But Jal can organise the ladies night out” you might as well give her something to keep her occupied, though her manic grin makes you wonder if that was the best choice.

With that decided, you raise you glass and say “To us!” and drain your wine in a single draught, it’s been a while since alcohol has had any effect on you, and even Jal isn’t going to spike your wedding toast.

As you put down your glass you realise Isla is standing behind you, turning to look at her you feel her hands take a firm hold on your head and she pulls you towards her to kiss you, gently at first, and then more passionately.

At the same time, Sofia and Jal flank you and hold your arms, gently but firmly the three of them guide you back towards Isla’s bed.

“Wait” you say “Not until-”

“Don’t worry” says Sofia “We know about your rules, *not until marriage* trust us.”

“Besides” whispers Jal in your ear “You’d be surprised ow much fun you can ‘ave without breakin’ any rules at all.”

Ah well, you think, we are going to be married soon....

You don’t get anything else done that day.

Meta: Yes, you’re still a virgin, just.

>>35452777
>To us (agree to let them organise everything)

The night of the new year you are awakened by Velya contacting you.

“My Saint” she says, jerking you awake, her voice in your mind “I have urgent news”

“What?” you say, not fully awake, before adding “My Lady.”

“I believe Salvastis may have discovered the truth about you” says Velya.

Hello adrenaline!

Now you’re fully awake “What? How?” you ask

“I’m not sure how” says Velya “Or even sure if he has, but I do know this: In two years your time, he plans to launch an invasion of the Kingdom of Dornmer – targeting you specifically.”

>How did you find this out?
>What should I do?
>Is my Mother ok?
>Two years, that’s a long time
>Other question (what?)

>>35453053
>>How did you find this out?
>>What should I do?
>>Is my Mother ok?

>>35453053
>How did you find this out?
>What should I do?
>Is my Mother ok?
>Two years, that’s not a lot of time

>>35453053
>Is my Mother ok?
>How did you find this out?

Wooo, time limits! Should we mass produce sanctuary enchanted items now?

>>35453053
>Is my Mother ok?
>How did you find this out?
>What should I do?

>>35453084
How would that help, anon?

>>35453053
>Sense motive (is this really vayla?)((yes I really am this paranoid))
then
>How did you find this out?
>What should I do?
>Is my Mother ok?
>Two years, that’s a long time

>>35453103
>Sense motive (is this really vayla?)

It is.

But y'know, thanks for the idea, maybe some time later I'll have someone pretend to be her.

>>35453053
And why does this mean he knows about us? He already targeted us with Shahuzer. This might just be him stepping up the game of getting at Sireyi's mother.

>>35453053
>>How did you find this out?
>>What should I do?
>>Is my Mother ok?
Time to storm hell then, we don't have much of a reason to delay this now anymore beyond preperations for the expedition.

>>35453117
Because the favor the Lord of Despair was repaying was to Salvastis, who wanted to force our mother to watch either her daughter or her grandchildren die.

He would've been observing when Qux (the Eyeless) called us a Saint of Velya.

That's my theory on how he'd know, anyway, but I hope you're correct and he doesn't actually know.

>>35453144
Storming hell is a great way to die horribly.

A better plan would be not being a gigantic beacon for whatever layer we wind up gating into and instead using our new draconic form to not alert them of our presence immediately.

>>35453161
>and instead using our new draconic form to not alert them of our presence immediately
Which is exactly why I asked AA in the last few threads to get us the stronger draconic forms, yes.

>>35453111
Dear god, what have I done.

Didn't that world devourer say something about demons being his old enemy? Could we, maybe, put a trail of demons in his range, so that he can follow it to hell and wreck havoc there? And we use the distraction to save mon.

>>35453200
Yes, paint the demons like candy
"Oh a piece of candy." repeated into hell

>>35453200
Two Sireyi team-up?

>>35453200
They were the ancient enemy of the Lords of Life, yeah, but I really don't want to mess with that thing and risk the possibility of it conquering hell or antagonizing it in some way at this point.

I'm also not sure if he'd be stupid enough to waltz through a hellmaw, and he'd definitely have the capacity to get back, now with thousands of enslaved demons/damned souls and fully recharged.

“How did you find this out?” you ask

“The Gods of Light have our spies in Hell” says Velya “Damned souls are offered a chance at redemption if they inform on the denizens of hell.”

“Is my Mother ok?” you ask

“I believe so” says Velya “Though I have no way of knowing for sure.”

“And why does this mean he knows about me?” you ask “He has already targeted me before – this could just be him upping his game.”

“It could” agrees Velya “But an invasion of a mortal plane with his entire army leaves his own domain almost undefended – he would only do so if the prize he sought was worth it.”

“In fact” she says “The rumour that he might do so prompted several other Lords of Hell to attack him, he will need time to rebuild his armies, which is why he is not an immediate threat to you.”

“What should I do?” you ask

“You need to build up your deific powers child” says Velya “As quickly as possible.”

“How?” you ask

“There are several ways” she responds “You need worshippers, or angels sworn to your service, or angelic descendents or those to whom you have granted angelic powers.”

“I could announce your status as a Saint to the world” she says “And actively recruit worshippers for you in my Church.”

“I could ask some of the Angels in my service to swear to you” she says “voluntarily of course, your Mother was well liked in my service so I am sure many would do so.”

“Both of these” she says “would be telling everyone who you are however – as no mortal would have so many Angels serving them.”

“Or” she says “You could recruit worshippers yourself – you might not recruit very many, but you could probably keep your status as a Saint secret from the world.”

“Similarly” she says “you could empower people with angelic powers, or have children with angelic blood.”

“Finally” she says “And I am loathe to ask this of you: but I could gift you some of my own power.”

“Is this dangerous?” you ask

“No” she says “But my powers are stronger than yours – it is likely that your thoughts will be altered and you will become unable to deviate from my doctrine.”

>Ask question (what?)
>I can’t decide now
>I’ve decided what I’m going to do (vote in next post)
>Other

>>35453102

Sanctuary posts to spread across the ream and keep it safe-er from the demonic invasion.

>>35453424
>Ask question (what?)
>Wouldn't other gods object to me having so many angels on the material plane in my service?

>>35453431
All that would do is stop the scrub demons, we'd still need to worry about greater demons.

It would also take a huge amount of time and effort to cover just our own realm, time which would be better spent doing other things.

"Wouldn't other gods object to me having so many angels on the material plane in my service?" you ask Velya

"Not if you known as a Saint" she says "and they need not reside in your realm - they can remain in mine if you so choose, as long as they are sworn to your service they will still increase your power."

She adds as an afterthought "You'll want to create your own Heaven for them at some point of course."

>>35453424
Alternatively, We could begin actively turning half demons into angels. There are a LOT of them in that other dimension, and we can turn one a day, given sufficient volunteers.

>>35453424
>I’ve decided what I’m going to do (vote in next post)
I think we should reveal who we are as a saint. No on the awesome powers of Velya though

>>35453496
True, I'd not thought of that

>>35453424
>I’ve decided what I’m going to do (vote in next post)
I think its better we get as armed as possible, stealth isn't really a great idea anymore once our greatest threat knows about it wanyway, the only point would be to keep it secret from EvilSireyi, but Sireyi doesn't know about her.

>>35453408
>angelic descendents
This is the most simple way, the most beneficial way to our realm (if take car of properly) and there are already many willing recipients.

Having some Angels secretly sworn to us would be a nice addon, though.

I would like to wait a bit before revealing Sainthood, though I'm not entirely opposed to it.

>>35453496
That is also an awesome idea.

>>35453424
>I vote to keep us being a saint a secret
>this guys idea >>35453496

>>35453424
>>I’ve decided what I’m going to do (vote in next post)

>>35453408
>“It could” agrees Velya “But an invasion of a mortal plane with his entire army leaves his own domain almost undefended – he would only do so if the prize he sought was worth it.”

Yes, the prize is worth it.

The prize being the divine shard he could still believe is in our mother's possession becoming his after he tortures her daughter to death in front of her.

This isn't evidence as to his belief on who holds the shard, since his prize would be the same either way.

>>35453532
Could you please name a reason why it's beneficial to our realm?

I keep seeing that said, but I've not seen an actual reason stated thusfar.

OH HELL I HAD AN IDEA!~
What if we storm his place now while he is still rebuilding?

>>35453532
No. We are not going to throw children out for mechanical or personal benefit.

>>35453424
>I’ve decided what I’m going to do (vote in next post)

Oh nice.

I knew that helping couples have kids would have been a good thing.

>>35453591
That is pretty much the idea.

>>35453569
>since his prize would be the same either way.
If his realm gets invaded while he is on the mortal plane, he would risk losing our mother.

>>35453613
Are you seriously suggesting Sireyi make children just to get more power?

>>35453616
Then he'd leave behind a guard, which we don't know whether he's doing or not.

Alternatively, he'd take our mother with him to the mortal plane.

This information is somewhat unreliable and there's no real proof one way or the other.

>>35453629

It's one of the benefits of aiding people.

>>35453629
I personally don't see any reason why its a bad thing, and it gives us more power. Its a win win.

>>35453569
Having citizens who are naturally inclined to do good is nice. Having lots of obvious evidence of the forces of good mingling with the realm is good for morale, and will be good for the reputation. And, of course, there are far more people who want children then there are priests capable of giving them children, therefore it would help those guys as well.

>>35453596
I would have voted for Sireyi to help those people even if there was no mechanical benefit to her or the realm at large. Because it is the right thing to do and only her own sense of icky is in the way (which is unusual for a follower of Velya). I would have accepted her sense of icky prevailing about this instance of doing good, but I think that both in character and out of character this new information is incentive enough to work out her icky feeling and actually do it.

>>35453652
>only her own sense of icky is in the way (which is unusual for a follower of Velya)
Taking responsibility for your own children is explicitly a Velya thing, we cleared this up way back when it came up with Jal and Sofia. This has nothing to do with icky, and everything to do with Sireyi being uncomfortable having children she won't know or be able to care for.

>>35453649
>>35453650
Its not aiding people to give them angelic descendants, there is already a institution who does that.

>>35453683
Anon. They are the parents we are gifting them to. There is no responsibility to take other than to make sure the church of Velya keeps tabs on them. They are part of us but not our children in the same way. We can be in their lives but they are being taken care of already.

Could one of the people against Sireyi giving childless couple who petition the church for children please summarize the argument against doing this?

So far the only thing I remember is the bit about potential social stratification and envy from last thread.

>>35453699
An institution who can only help one in for people who petition them. And even that is a huge strain on the people who do it.

>>35453652
Angelic descendants are not naturally inclined for good, where does this stuff keep coming from. The opposite is the case, since they aren't they might grow up wrong and become a bad example tarnishing the reputation of celestial blooded.

>>35453652
>Having citizens who are naturally inclined to do good is nice.
How they're raised is a far more important fact, good parents would raise good children regardless of their angelic blood, same in reverse, as Pally said last thread.

>Having lots of obvious evidence of the forces of good mingling with the realm is good for morale, and will be good for the reputation.
Revealing our sainthood would have the exact same effect and allow us access to quite a few better options to increase our power.

>And, of course, there are far more people who want children then there are priests capable of giving them children, therefore it would help those guys as well.
It's not 'far more', it was twenty or so, and I doubt all of those are good enough parents to meet our standards.

>>35453719
It's mostly the fact that the people in the other camp want to give everyone who petitions us a kid and then not give any kind of shit about them.

>>35453719
You can just read the last thread were all the downsides and reasons against it were spelled out.

>>35453715
That still makes them Sireyis children regardless of if they have other parents or not.

>>35453721
You are incorrect. I am 98% certain Pally has stated that angelic descendants are in fact naturally inclined for good, just as demonic ones are naturally inclined toward evil.

>>35453762
He also stated that how they're raised is far more important, don't ignore all the parts you can't use as part of your argument.

>>35453721
>Meta: Angelic kids are not *automatically* good, they have a tendency towards good as part-demons have a tendency towards evil.
From the very last thread. You remember how getting demon blood suddenly changed how our friend acted? Now imagine the same but towards good.

>>35453749
>It's mostly the fact that the people in the other camp want to give everyone who petitions us a kid

No. NO, stop, holy fuck.

We wouldn't be giving children left and right just because some faggot asked for it, you idiot. They'd still need to be screened and investigated, as is the procedure to grant ANY child.

Angelic children would need an even more firm screening.

>>35453772
And yet Isla didn't become evil.
Nor will these children will become necissarily good.

>>35453771
Which is why we would have them active in the church and have the church keep and eye on them and help raise them well.

>>35453749
>How they're raised is a far more important fact
And the parents are screened before they are given children. Therefore, they would get the double bonus of good parents and good inclination.

>Revealing our sainthood would have the exact same effect
They are not mutually exclusive

>it was twenty or so
It was twenty over the last two years who wanted children despite already being capable of getting children. I was far more people who were childless and wanted kids.

>>35453792

That's why a good screening of the parents-to-be was a crucial part of the whole thing, as well as visiting the church of Velya regularly.

>>35453719
>And even that is a huge strain on the people who do it.
Its not a huge strain. They have been doing it for decades and centuries just fine without Sireyi.

hey guys. Look, no matter what we decide on I want you all to know I love you.

>>35453812
>>35453817

You can't screen out bad parenting reliably, thats a absurd notion, you can maybe keep out obvsiously bad ones, but there is no guarantee this screening works.
You act as if theis "screening" were some infallible mechanism that always gurantees good parents.

Vote will be posted soon.

>>35453424
I thought I'd have more time to work on this, but oh well, I guess it's happening right now just a day after we last voted for it.

This is written under the assumption that giving angelic children actually wins, since normal children would only have the slightest bit of Sireyi's DNA and no angelic blood, therefore not being in nearly as much danger.

First, I'd like it if we could hold off on giving strangers children until we've already married our lovers and given them the children they've requested, seriously.

Talk to Isla, Jal and Sofia about it before we commit to anything, this is extremely important.

Whether a parent has children already shouldn't matter, but there is an additional screening process.

Namely, any parent which would be considered 'valid' by the regular screening process still has to undergo an inspection by Sireyi, including an interview.

The inspection would be similar to the church's methods, speaking to their neighbors and other such things, but Sireyi is much harder to deceive and immune to any form of bribery.

The interview will take place entirely in our Sanctuary, we'll enter into it with Arcane Sight on to ensure they aren't using any spells for deception and use Detect Evil at some point, just to be safe.

During the interview, we'll get to know the parents (and children) by speaking to them as a single group for a period of time, and then as individuals.

Speaking to the parents would be the normal kind of thing you'd expect, talking to any pre-existent children would just be to make sure they aren't opposed to having a little angelic brother or sister, so that our offspring don't have to deal with siblings that resent them.

If the child is opposed or neutral, then use our diplomatic abilities to persuade them otherwise; if they're looking forward to it, make sure the parents didn't set them up, try to make sure those are the child's actual feelings.

[1/2]

Ugh, that this shit would be brought up just a thread after the last shitstorm.
Here we go.

From reading all this can we all agree on a general consensus that we care very much about this decision. We all consider it very important and it is nice to see these kinds of debates that are not shitposting

>>35453845
And you are acting like every parent is going to be bloody terrible. There is a reason why we want them to be looked after by the church. Its a safety net, but if you are looking for perfect its never going to happen.

>>35453868
Recipients of angelic children are required to bring the child to visit the nearest church of Velya once a month and encouraged to help with the church, either by donations or dedicating a portion of their time, provided their economic situation allows such a thing.

Children would be angel-blooded, maybe quarter-angels if someone can provide a valid reason for that.

No half-angels, however, because that's just asking for demonic cults to chase them similar to how our childhood (evidently) was, and I don't want to restrict the recipients of angelic children to wealthy people who can afford bodyguards, nor do I wish to have poor people receive a child with less angelic blood simply due to being poor.

In addition, it's likely that anybody requesting this would be expecting a quarter-angel at most.

I'd also consider giving the children amulets of celestial iron (disguised with magic to make it appear non-magical and made of brass) designed to convey a number of protections, mainly redirecting any scrying attempts for angelic children, Sireyi's children or anything similar to that. Maybe a few other odds and ends, such as letting them appear to be human until they mature or other such things.

Unfortunately, I didn't get as much time to flesh this out as I'd have liked.

[2/2]

>>35453832
I love you too, anon.

>>35453868
>Talk to Isla, Jal and Sofia about it before we commit to anything, this is extremely important.
Thats actually a really important point that hasn't been adressed yet, this is very much something Sireyi should talk to them about under her own rules.
I highly doubt Pally will make them a barrier to any plans of spreading angelic children across the land, since he very clearly wants that, but we should still have that conversation.

>>35453879
No I'm not. This doesn't work in reverse, you pretend nothing can go wrong thanks to this "screening", I'm just saying something can very well go wrong. That doesn't require all the time, just often enough.

>>35453868
>>35453891
For the most part I think this is fine. However I feel the stopping at quarter-angel is pointless. If we are going to be gifting children with angelic heritage I don't think its going to make a difference how angelic they are.

>>35453919
Obviously it can, but things are being discussed to help avoid the bad things. The possibility of bad things happening or the rare demonic cultists (who are kill on sight) should not preclude Sireyi from giving couples the gift of children, angelic or otherwise.

Ok, with so many options on the table, this could get a little complicated, so please read carefully.

Pick as many of the options as you want from below with a number on top of them – see example below.

The most commonly picked number will cap how many different methods are used (so if the most common number is 2, only 2 methods will be used) – minimum of 1.

The options will be ranked in order of popularity and the top X most popular will be the plan, where X is the most common number.

The number chosen does not need to match the number of options picked, but it would make sense to do so.

If the number vote is tied then an average will be used, rounded down.

If two or more options are tied, I will roll a die publically to determine which one gets used.

>Velya recruits worshippers (public identity)
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache
>Accept power from Velya

Example (votes not greentexted to avoid confusion)

2
Sireyi recruits worshippers
Empower people with angelic abilities

If the vote is unclear, I may hold a second vote, under Final Destination terms.

Voting is open for 20 minutes. I will post to close the vote.

I reserve the right to discard deleted votes and unclear/ambiguous votes.

Feel free to discuss of course, but please greentext the votes to make it clear.

These votes are broad plans only – the exact specifics of the chosen plans will be decided upon later.

>>35453956
>should not preclude Sireyi from giving couples the gift of childre
It should preclude her from handing out children that have a increased chance of bad things happening to them. This discussion would not be this fierce if it were about gifting people with normal children. Since it wouldn't need Sireyi to put in part of herself for that. These children are at a additional risk.

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969

5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

Uh, like this?

>>35453969
3
>Recruit part-demons in Drache
>Velya recruits worshippers (public identity)
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)

How do we feel about keeping who gets angle kids random but limited to those who passed the screening with least risks? This should stop the status symbol kids problem and give us power but still leaves the "we should be there for any kids we help make." Thing.
Also kids for each wife? Yes/ No?

>>35453969
>5
>>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>>Empower people with angelic abilities
>>Have angelic children
>>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>3
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>3
>Sireyi recruits worshipers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454025
I think those kinds of people would be filtered out quite nicely by AA's plan.

>>35453969

5
>Velya recruits worshippers (public identity)
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Recruit part-demons in Drache
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35454025

I'd rather give angelic children to those with closer contact with the church, and who have already showed to be reliable.

>>35453979
I believe that risk is completely minimal.

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>6
>Velya recruits worshippers (public identity)
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>3
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454060
And I believe you want to think that so you get your min-max eugenics dream.

>>35454056
Makinjg the special children associated exclusivly with Followers of Velya would just make the whole problem worse, by making it an actual segregation.

>>35453969
4
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>This one only if we can do it secretly, with the Angels staying out of the mortal realm.
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453792
Moving the goal-post, aren't we? First it was "no inclination to good" now it is "An inclination toward good behavior doesn't guarantee good behavior".

A) There is no guarantee for anything, ever. B) Isla didn't change much because she was already a fully developed person, she actively fought against the changes and because her environment actively sought to help her minimize the changes. Not a single of these will be true for the children. The opposite really.

>>35453819
>Its not a huge strain. They have been doing it for decades and centuries just fine without Sireyi.
Do you want me to pull another few quotes from the last thread? Or can you just look there yourself, it was in the discussion between Sireyi and her priestess of Velya. She said that there are more requests then they can deal with, and said she was glad most couples are willing to wait a very long time for their requests to be fulfilled.

>>35453969
>4
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

Also question for the people who want Angels sworn to service (public identity) but not Velya recruits worshippers (public identity), Why? If are going to go though with letting people know you are a saint, why not have Veyla help?

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
Can we get a non-public version of this?

>>35454104
I don't feel Sireyi would be comfortable being worshiped, really.

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>2


>Empower people with angelic abilities

>Angels sworn to service (public identity)

>>35454121
Worship is bad but people literally bound to you as their god is ok?

>>35454121
Oh. I honestly feel really stupid for not thinking of that...

>>35454101
>She said that there are more requests then they can deal with, and said she was glad most couples are willing to wait a very long time for their requests to be fulfilled.
Which doesn't make it a huge strain, it just means some people need to wait, you don't need to overdramatize the issue just to support your point.

>>35453969
>5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>2
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
I am changing >>35454104 to
>3
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>3
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)

>>35454121
Well considering shes a Saint and will eventually be a god I disagree

>35453969
>3>Angels sworn to service (public identity)>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454015
>like this?
Yes that's fine

>>35453969
5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454182
Doesn't means he would be comfortable with it. Just because she will one day be worshipped, maybe. Doesn't means he like sit now.
She clearly doesn't lioke that kind of thing and has expressed that several times.

>>35454182
>Saints become Gods
A Saint is a Saint, we aren't going to become a God, for the same reason all those Heroes of the Horn haven't become Gods.

And becoming comfortable with worship one day isn't the same as immediately being okay with it now.

>>35453969
4
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Velya recruits worshippers (public identity)
>Recruit part-demons in Drache
>Have angelic children
Big no to Velya giving us power.

>>35453969
5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454214
I think it was said that we would/could become a god. I could be wrong though...

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35454208
>>35454214
We are a Saint due to a spark of divinity which allows us to become a God. And I expect that she would be willing to accept worshipers to help save her Mother from Hell and constant torment. Unless you think shes that selfish?

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>3
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35454101
>Moving the goal-post, aren't we?
No, a different poster.

>>35453969
>5
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
5
>>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>>Empower people with angelic abilities
>>Have angelic children
>>Recruit part-demons in Drache

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

>>35453969
4
>Sireyi recruits worshippers
>Empower people with angelic abilities
>Have angelic children
>Recruit part-demons in Drache
Just made it

>>35453969
>2
>Angels sworn to service (public identity)
>Empower people with angelic abilities

Vote over, no votes after this post count.

Counting...

>>35454362
>Counting...
You poor bastard.

>>35454362
May those who samefagged the hardest have glorious victory.

>>35454385
I'm disappointed we didn't get any 3 in one minute samefagging, looks like they didn't really put any effort into it yet.